tonight on average . we have an tonight on average. we have an exclusive poll telling us about the popularity of nicola sturgeon's new gender laws. when asked what's the point of the tory party if they're now a high tax party, i ask is the ghost of covid coming back to from the far east and what should we do.7 and far east and what should we do? and i'm talking pipes that i've got to talk to somebody who leads a new political party. it's called the climate policy . it's called the climate policy. but is there room for it, given that we have the greens already all of that coming up in a couple of minutes. but first, let's get the news headlines

with tatiana sanchez . nigel, with tatiana sanchez. nigel, thank you . this is the latest thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. we've got some breaking news to bring you. first and brazilian football legend pele has died. we understand his agent told ap he considered one of the greatest footballers of all time the star had been undergoing treatment for colon cancer. he was 82 . the for colon cancer. he was 82. the defence secretary says the response to china opening up travel abroad is under review. ben wallace his comments follow the government saying there were no plans to introduce covid 19 tests for arrivals from china . tests for arrivals from china. unlike several other countries , unlike several other countries, including the us and italy , including the us and italy, beijing has announced plans to reopen borders next week despite the country's ongoing covid surge. that sparked concern . the

surge. that sparked concern. the defence secretary also insisted uk borders are safe as the military steps in to cover for striking border force officials . unions claim the country's borders are less secure as more than a thousand immigration officers walk out in a dispute over pay. a senior source has told gb news that passport control operations are running very smoothly at all. six airports. meanwhile labour mp khalid mahmood has told us he would support a general strike. but sports support the rights of the people to be able to stroke, strike if they want to coordinate that, they they're totally at will to do that. and if you call that a general strike. yes because the people who work want to have the right sort of pay and conditions and there should be able do that there should be able to do that . a third man has been arrested on suspicion of murdering 23 year old cody fisher on boxing day. the non—league footballer was stabbed to death in the crane nightclub in birmingham ,

crane nightclub in birmingham, which now faces closure. west midlands police have said a 22 year old man has been detained in london. he is the third person to be arrested on suspicion of murder while four others have been arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender . merseyside police have offender. merseyside police have said a third person has been arrested in connection with the fatal shooting of a 26 year old woman in wirral. fatal shooting of a 26 year old woman in wirral . elle edwards woman in wirral. elle edwards was killed outside a pub on christmas eve. police say a 31 year old man from tranmere has been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. a man and a woman who were previously arrested are still being questioned by officers . and the questioned by officers. and the deadly storm has been sweeping across north america, killing at least 69 people. now bringing wet and windy weather to the uk. the met office says the knock on effect of america's bomb cyclone will see spells of unsettled weather over the next ten to 7 to 10 days. forecasters issued an amber weather allowed for

heavy rain tomorrow for parts of scotland warning of flooding and travel disruption . tv online and travel disruption. tv online and dab radio this gb news now is back to out . back to out. good evening. it was just last week, wasn't it, that the new legislation passed in scotland . legislation passed in scotland. nicola sturgeon's new gender recognition laws and just to remind you that anybody over the age of 18 who has lived in a different gender for a period of three months, and the proof of that apparently is that you've changed your pronouns. could legally change their gender. and from the age of 16, without any parental consent . and actually parental consent. and actually more disturbing and i thought without any need for medical

diagnosis after six months, somebody could change their genden somebody could change their gender. there were supporters of . of course, there is a very active trans lobby . equally, active trans lobby. equally, there were quite a lot of protests as well and worries expressed by some quite senior pubuc expressed by some quite senior public figures that this may well indeed injure the safety of women . now, some will say, well women. now, some will say, well , women's safety is endangered by bad men already. yes that may well be true. but why add to the problem? why? why allow certain people , predators who go into people, predators who go into a changing rooms, women's prisons or wherever else it may be ? i or wherever else it may be? i also think that for people of young age, this is very, very confusing, difficult , confusing, difficult, potentially quite dangerous thing to allow people easily to go into. so why was against those laws being passed . and i those laws being passed. and i had a sense that the country too would not approve of this legislation. you see , the whole

legislation. you see, the whole trans issue is a total obsession with the left in politics here in britain . and that's been the in britain. and that's been the case in america for several years already. well, we have through the company people polling got some exclusive polling got some exclusive polling where we've asked people across the united kingdom and that includes specifically in scotland as well whether they approve of the new gender laws . approve of the new gender laws. and the results are very clear . and the results are very clear. results are very consistent only . on results are very consistent only. on united kingdom approve strongly to some degree with nicola sturgeon's new gender laws. now, you may think are , but it's you may think are, but it's bound to be different . scotland. bound to be different. scotland. no the figure in scotland was nine 18. 19% of people in scotland agreed strongly or to some degree. the sturgeon had passed the right laws. so why has she done it? well it is about obsession . it is about

about obsession. it is about some form of virtue signalling. it is about people. very often, senior political figures who are surrounded by very, very metropolitan and figures in our big cities and are totally and hopeless , out of touch with the hopeless, out of touch with the rest of the country. i am not here preaching a gospel of intolerance far from it. let people be what they want to be. but i think to put in place legislation that allows people will to chop and change their genders makes no sense at all and is dangerous, potentially very dangerous , i think, for very dangerous, i think, for young, confused people of 16 or 17 years old. so this result doesn't surprise me at all. it really doesn't. what did surprise me? was a recent prime minister theresa may and theresa may. her initial response to it was that she thought we should have these for the rest of the united kingdom . apparently, united kingdom. apparently, she's a conservative, but we'll

be debating in a minute what conservatives actually are. she appears now to backtrack on this, but don't think this is just a scottish political issue because it isn't and the conservatives will not go for it. whatever mrs. may happens to have said . now, the real have said. now, the real question here is will the real keir starmer please stand up? where do you stand on this ? where do you stand on this? because time and again, he's been skewered in interviews when asked to decide what a woman is. he seems to find that incredibly difficult and it's going to be a really big test of . the labour really big test of. the labour leader, whether he decides in a labour manifesto to match what nicholas sturgeon done. there will be many within the parliamentary labour party , many parliamentary labour party, many activists on the hard left of the party encouraging him to do this . we'll see what starmer this. we'll see what starmer does. one thing for certain , does. one thing for certain, this question, this debate isn't going to go away . and i very

going to go away. and i very much doubt i very much doubt that figure of 20% will increase. yes there are young people coming of university today who've been brainwashed with this stuff. ever since primary school. but for the vast of the population, they do not agree with these changes . let me agree with these changes. let me know your thoughts , please. do know your thoughts, please. do you support the gender laws in scotland farage at gb news dot uk ? so let's get back to that uk? so let's get back to that conservative policy. i've been asking a question here for the last few weeks about what is the point of the conservative party and especially when it comes to taxation the cbi report that was out this week that said , you out this week that said, you know, a middle class couple both on reasonable but not incomes, could expect between them to pay another 40,000 quid in tax over the next decade and even craziest stat that you know somebody a single with two kids

earning 50,000 a year could get an increase over the next decade to 60,000 a year and keep only £800 of it marginal rates going into the nineties . i thought into the nineties. i thought this was all the stuff of the late 1970s. the labour party that was heading for total crash disaster in the election but it's happening under a conservative today the daily mail very much picked up on this story and said that a big review into taxation that kwasi kwarteng had ordered has now kicked into touch by jeremy hunt . so in every manifesto conference speech, big the tories stand up and tell us all they have forever. i think. but they're the policy of the small state and low tax. it would appear that is no longer the case . and how could it be even case. and how could it be even approaching the next general election? what is sunak going to do? give us a small tax cut ahead of the next election and expect us to believe they've

gone back to what they once were? i don't . joining me is were? i don't. joining me is historian and commentator martin was it martin? the history the conservative party, they've been around for about 200 years ever . the conservative party splintered over the court laws with appeal in the 1840. so we're talking about that period. and even before that the conservative party has been continually reinventing itself . continually reinventing itself. incidentally, disraeli's ministry of sewage act reformed gladstone and the liberals in the 19th century. so the conservative party in many ways a chameleon party, it has been referred warming itself and changing itself time and time again. it was a party that in many ways opposed forming of the welfare state after , the second welfare state after, the second world war, but that became one over two. that policy then became very much the party of the mixed economy in the sixties early seventies, since the 19705, early seventies, since the 1970s, of course . and mrs. 1970s, of course. and mrs. thatcher. it's become very much the party of the lower taxation

and the smaller state. but i think we shouldn't assume the only conservative party that exists because there is a one nafion exists because there is a one nation tory ism which is prepared to countenance higher taxation and greater government . and that also has its roots within aspects of the conservative dna as well. the conservative party at the moment, though, is asking the question of itself what am for ? question of itself what am for? i within living memory , for the i within living memory, for the vast majority of we know it is a party that has talked about lower taxes, less. your point about being comedians is, of course, a very one. but when you get a party that has crashed in the polls the way this one has since 2019, that pretty dramatic loss of support and from newer conservative the brexit ukip ties voters . is this just one of ties voters. is this just one of those historical periods where the conservative party does badly and then reinvents itself ? or is it possible? i mean ,

? or is it possible? i mean, let's face it, the liberals govern this country for many years and in 1980, an ultra right war. they go along comes a labour party and replace them all. i mean , is there a crisis all. i mean, is there a crisis for identity so great that they could face of those moments? i personally feel that the conservatives are facing an existential threat at the moment inasmuch as having established themselves as the low tax , small themselves as the low tax, small government party, they then collided with a covid crisis and i think a population that now has appetite for government involvement and government expend it, you know, not everybody will agree with this and i think they've been caught by that. i think they don't know what they are anymore because. i think there are many people who felt their response felt that their response to covid correct as much as covid was correct in as much as supporting it supporting people. it intervening holding up intervening through holding up the economy through it, all of which went against thatcherite economics . yeah. they. where do economics. yeah. they. where do they go now ? all of which has to

they go now? all of which has to be paid for. indeed indeed. but i still think there's still is a popular appetite for intervention in public services . and if reversing austerity which of course we've had a decade of and i think the conservatives now face a challenge are they going to continue with more of the same or are not? and if they're or are they not? and if they're not to do that, what's the difference between? them and the liberals labour party? liberals or the labour party? yeah, mean we face the next yeah, i mean as we face the next election some off the election some way off but the big battle lines are being drawn now know and got now while you know and got you've wes streeting . you've got wes streeting. alright. he's not the shadow chancellor but very clear chancellor but making very clear this labour would not this week that labour would not increase taxes on the middle class is actually i mean are there any ideological differences now between these two parties? that's a very good question . i think the main question. i think the main ideological differences , the ideological differences, the conservatives are doing this under in terms of this under pressure in terms of this increase governmental support, whereas i think labour party do it because they genuinely believe think is believe in it. i think that is a difference, but i think the kind of appetite there to of public appetite out there to show the nurses, for show support for the nurses, for example, very, example, i know that's very,

very complicated complicated very complicated, complicated area. whole structure at the area. the whole structure at the moment. but i think that indicated that people are prepared to see increased government expenditure for certain areas of the economy and the care industry in order to improve recruitment retention. and i think that doesn't come cheap. no, i think you're right. i think the country has got more used to government intervening in every aspect of our lives. and that has to be paid for. unless they can be led to believe that different. and that's the that's the debate that's the that's the debate that will define the next two years and that's about leadership or followership. martin as ever, fascinating historical troll there through a couple hundred years of conservative party history. and yes, they have very good at reinventing themselves . they reinventing themselves. they evenin reinventing themselves. they even in 2019, told us they believed in brexit and haven't done much about that. never mind. go to a mind. well, let's go to a newspaper that has been the most supportive of the conservative party , certainly in the run up party, certainly in the run up to 2019 and that general

election . and since i'm joined election. and since i'm joined by david maddox , the political by david maddox, the political editor of the daily express online now. david, your newspaper, both in print and online, you've been almost slavishly devoted to this conservative party. i'm urging your readers . these are the your readers. these are the right people to follow when your you know, your readers , many of you know, your readers, many of whom have scrimped and saved and don't really want a big star. at least i don't think they want a big state. perhaps they do. things have changed. david please answer the question . please answer the question. given given what these taxes mean for small business, small entrepreneurs , anybody, frankly entrepreneurs, anybody, frankly working facing the most extreme , ordinary rise in taxes over the course of the next six or seven years, please us from express what the point now of the conservative party actually is . well i'm actually speaking is. well i'm actually speaking to you from brexit heartland and

in dagenham so know you're very familiar with the world i think you slightly missed characterise us wasn't that long ago but we were telling people to vote ukip for the brexit party. when you were the leader of those two great parties . you know, we tend great parties. you know, we tend to fairly pragmatic in our in our approach to the and certainly in 2019 what choice what choice was. you know it was johnson promising to get brexit done or jeremy corbyn or keir starmer basically to take us back into the eu. so yeah, of course we supported then but i was listening to that conversation that you were having with martin, just remembering when you and i went to the us just before lockdown and the pandemic and we were having a conversation . ted cruz, having a conversation. ted cruz, senator ted cruz and you know , senator ted cruz and you know, two of you were saying, well, we're conservative parties. cool we're conservative parties. cool, we're conservative party. but it's not actually where i

conservative and it's hard not to agree with that. and it's not just the tax rises and so forth. it's also on social policy as i mean. but theresa may thing was not an outlier by any means. there is a good chunk of a conservative party who would support that sort of view on the trans debate. and it's you you know, it's a party that happens to have conservatives in it most whom are on the fringe and that's that's a fact of it . that's that's a fact of it. david, i wouldn't for one moment. of course not, want to acknowledge the amazing support the express gave me as leader of both the ukip, the brexit party. you did, but and i get your point about, about the choice against jeremy corbyn but you know you're readers, your readers are overwhelmingly on the conservative side of the debate . if i was to ask you to debate. if i was to ask you to speak to a group of express readers and tell them what the

differences now are between this conservative party and the labour party under keir starmer , what would you say ? i think , what would you say? i think it's very . no, , what would you say? i think it's very. no, i it , what would you say? i think it's very . no, i it was , what would you say? i think it's very. no, i it was a much easier job when that brief penod easier job when that brief period when liz truss prime minister. but you know i look at prime minister's questions now and essentially you look across the two starmer and sunak ideologically you're looking at almost identical people. there are some small differences certainly in rhetoric . i mean, certainly in rhetoric. i mean, sunak's talking the talk on, you know, immigration control and things in words which starmer would never use but policy wise this was hardly, hardly anything between a razor. as i was saying to one of your researchers earlier . you to one of your researchers earlier. you know, it's a it's a famous scene from the end of animal farm, the are looking through the farmhouse window and they save a pig's i mean, humans and they can't tell the difference between the two of them. we're of to a certain them. we're kind of to a certain degree that space now . we've

degree in that space now. we've had two main parties on that thought. david maddocks i'll say thank you and wish you all the best for 2023. thank you for joining us this evening. in a moment, we'll get your reaction to that poll saying there is not much support , just one in five much support, just one in five for nicola sturgeon's new gender laws. back with you in a couple of minutes .

well only one in five of the population in scotland and the rest of the uk thinks the new gender laws in scotland are the right thing to do. only one in five supports them. your thoughts on coming in? you thoughts on this coming in? you know, i asked you, do you support these laws? heather says no , not at all. it's absolute no, not at all. it's absolute disgrace. in fact , everything disgrace. in fact, everything that's happening in this country at present is a disgrace . i got

at present is a disgrace. i got to tell you, you are absolutely not alone in thinking that i can't remember a time when i've spoken to more people who feel more depressed or more angry, not just about the state the country's in, but about the lack of any real . that's the thing. of any real. that's the thing. people keep saying to me over and over and over. kimmy says to genders. that's all. well, kim, i think we need to face the fact there are some people who genuinely do have gender dysphoria . there have always dysphoria. there have always been people in that category as a percentage of the population. you know, it's 0.0 something. it's a tiny number of. but the thing is the thing is for that tiny number of people, all the rest of us are expected to change the way we speak, the way we address things. i was watching the cricket the other day and i talked about the batsman. oh, now i'm told i can't say batsman anymore . i've can't say batsman anymore. i've got to say basa. i mean, for goodness sake, ron says . no, i

goodness sake, ron says. no, i disagree entirely. in fact , i disagree entirely. in fact, i disagree entirely. in fact, i disagree with the entire of gender and that a man can become a woman. there are two sexes, male and female , and they cannot male and female, and they cannot be changed. well as i say in rare cases they can be changed, but in general terms they can't . now the covid news that has been coming out of china over the last couple of weeks is alarming . the last couple of weeks is alarming. huge the last couple of weeks is alarming . huge numbers the last couple of weeks is alarming. huge numbers. the last couple of weeks is alarming. huge numbers . an alarming. huge numbers. an estimated 250 million people in china have had covid over the course the last month. and just as alarming. we got the figures that in japan over hundred people had died in one day with covid on their death certificates . so is the ghost certificates. so is the ghost covid coming back to us? i'm joined by dr. chris smith, virologist . and i have to say virologist. and i have to say that you've done some amazing work over the course , the work over the course, the

pandemic in telling us what's going on, the naked science is tor.com. chris we're we're heanng tor.com. chris we're we're hearing that now putting travel restrictions on people coming in from china to italy are doing the same. is covid coming back to haunt us ? well, covid never to haunt us? well, covid never went away . and what we're seeing went away. and what we're seeing really of the ripple effects of an ongoing evolution of a virus and a pandemic , it hasn't and a pandemic, it hasn't disappeared . and in this disappeared. and in this country, the uk , we've had about country, the uk, we've had about one and a half million cases in the last week. what has changed is the level of immunity in the population. so where we were all vulnerable and all potentially vulnerable and all potentially vulnerable to getting seriously ill, your risk, greater if you're in poor health already or older. now thanks to vaccines and thanks to exposure , our risk and thanks to exposure, our risk is much, much lower . and thanks to exposure, our risk is much, much lower. but it's a different story in. this is a population who've been shielded away from the virus , almost like away from the virus, almost like away from the virus, almost like

a local child , been kept under a local child, been kept under cover and is now bone at one spot because ignited it , spot because ignited it, unsurprisingly, with nothing . unsurprisingly, with nothing. stop it burning. a fire is rampaging through and that's exactly what we're seeing . what exactly what we're seeing. what it appears to be happening to some extent in japan as well, because the point about vaccines that you make , having the jab that you make, having the jab and having the boosters, it doesn't make it any less likely to catch covid, does it ? the to catch covid, does it? the vaccines are very good. initially at preventing infection. the we have is that when you're first vaccinated, you a really good antibody response . antibodies are sticky response. antibodies are sticky molecules that float around in your blood and they neutralise that shouldn't be there. you make them in response to vaccine. you make them in response to infection. but they don't hang around forever. and your body doesn't waste time making it, doesn't think it needs. making it, doesn't think it needs . so unsurprisingly, making it, doesn't think it needs. so unsurprisingly, as time ticks by, you slowly lose , time ticks by, you slowly lose, the level of antibody you make as level falls, your susceptibility infection

increases that your level of or thresh hold at which you can get infected that you need to get below is higher than the threshold at which you would develop severe disease. so you're initially protected really against infection and, severe disease. but is the level antibody declines, you may then slip down so you can catch the infection , but you'll still infection, but you'll still defend it against severely unwell and that sort the situation that the majority of the world population are now in. having confronted covid for real in many cases of. having confronted covid for real in many cases of . the is there a in many cases of. the is there a danger with what's happening in the far east at the moment and given the actions that we've seen from the americans, from the italia and others, is there, any evidence that this could be any evidence that this could be a new variant ? well the data we a new variant? well the data we have so far and many people are very cautious about the chinese tell us , because we know that tell us, because we know that they haven't been forthcoming with the information on many fronts or many occasions over many years. but what we do is

that they're dealing with an omi variant, which is the same one that the rest of the world is contending to a greater or lesser extent. we don't think it's specifically the virus at this stage is doing anything different. it is the fact that they've got a highly susceptible population, many of them unvaccinated . it's that log unvaccinated. it's that log pile, which is just tinder dry and ready to go . okay, like an and ready to go. okay, like an inferno. that's what's causing it? the worry is . will this turn it? the worry is. will this turn into something else ? the worry into something else? the worry is, will this elaborate , because is, will this elaborate, because of the scale of the outbreak , of the scale of the outbreak, new versions or new variant of the virus in the same way as we've had the kent variant, now known as alpha, the variants from different parts of the world often have come. world that often have come. will that china? we that happen with china? will we get that z variant that the w.h.0. get that z variant that the who. diplomatically over to w.h.o. diplomatically over to avoid offending ? would be avoid offending? would be ironic, wouldn't it? but we don't know at this stage. what i will say is that i think it's unlikely that this is going to happen because what causes viruses to evolve is to surmount

some kind of barrier and barrier is immunity in the human population. and what china haven't got a huge amount of immunity. so there isn't the selection of the virus to target something that will defeat a vaccine . i get the point, chris, vaccine. i get the point, chris, you very much indeed for bringing us up to speed with that. and let's hope let's hope that. and let's hope let's hope that chris is right. all i can say that we got another major say is that we got another major outbreak. more lockdowns. outbreak. no more lockdowns. i care what the circumstances are . never, ever again. on that sobering thought, let's take a.

break well, in this period between christmas and new year, it was the think tank c ib r that made the think tank c ib r that made the running of many of the headunes the running of many of the headlines by telling us just what jeremy hunt's tax proposals were going to mean for the average family . you know, the

average family. you know, the unbeliever . average family. you know, the unbeliever. bl unbelievable. £40,000 that to middle earners extra in tax could have to pay over course of the next decade . over course of the next decade. while kay nuffield is head of forecasting at the aforesaid organisation. because they'd also told us sometime back and i was very surprised when i first had this that actually in relative terms the uk was doing well and our economy would outgrow germany over the course of the next couple decades. but i understand that forecast has now been reversed. kate neufeld , please tell us what's going wrong with the british economy. why is that forecast had to . why is that forecast had to. change? yeah, that's correct. so according to our world economic league table, we do have a downgrade of the uk growth prospects . there's a couple prospects. there's a couple things to consider here. one is the short term outlook in the current performance of the uk economy, the other one being the longer term performance, the longer term performance, the

long term growth outlook on the short performance . we do short term performance. we do see that the uk is struggling more the global economic more with the global economic headwinds seeing, headwinds that we're seeing, that inflation, higher that is high inflation, higher rates. the uk has , one of the rates. so the uk has, one of the only g7 seeing a contraction in gdp in the third quarter. and when you actually believe that the uk is going to remain in recession until the middle of next year and that is coming on top of the position where uk is also the only g7 country that has not recovered levels of gdp creep pandemic. so all the other g7 countries have achieved that and that is linked to kind of the longer term structural problems of the uk that is low business investment, we export growth and that is holding back productivity growth and that's why basically we had to downgrade the uk growth forecast . how damaging? i mean , . how damaging? i mean, congratulations to you guys for making the running this week with the news agenda you really have actually with your tax forecasts just, how damaging to

britain's position and to her internal economy. just how damaging are tax rises on the middle classes of this magnitude ? well in the uk really the middle class and lower earners as are really, you know, bearing the brunt of the cost of living squeeze that we're seeing at the moment . and it's coming from all moment. and it's coming from all sides , coming from higher sides, coming from higher interest rates, which are necessary fight inflation, necessary to fight inflation, but nevertheless the but it nevertheless hurts the disposable of mortgage disposable income of mortgage owned mortgage or prospective house buyers . and it also comes, house buyers. and it also comes, of course , the form of higher of course, the form of higher taxes that we're seeing at this point. i think it's also very uk specific factor, but it's there's a lot of instability in there's a lot of instability in the political, of course. and you've seen, you know going from a liz truss as tax cutting agenda within three weeks. we are back to fiscal consolidation under hunt and rishi sunak and i think that is hurting confidence in the economy . yeah, in the economy. yeah, absolutely. thank you for joining us all the way from the

calais areas and thank you for the work that you do. thank you very much indeed. what the farage moment we learn . we learn farage moment we learn. we learn that the full people involved with protecting our borders, working for the home office down in kent , dover, manston for in kent, dover, manston for people who have been arrested . people who have been arrested. one of them because they're here , we have an illegal immigrant working for the home office , working for the home office, deaung working for the home office, dealing with illegal immigrants .john dealing with illegal immigrants . john and the other three have been arrested on conspiracy to steal . now there's been all steal. now there's been all sorts of telling them following on this earlier on today, but can spiro see the steel is no better than, frankly, being here illegally? quite how we can be in such a mess down in dover. i simply don't know. and if i do what the farage. well, casey , what the farage. well, casey, casey has this massive following in this country. i went to watch him box just recently amateur boxing down it the o2 and of

course the drink that he's involved with and promotes prime. well aldi tweeted last night the prime would now be on sale in their stores and it has bedlam up and down the country people fighting to get hold of their people fighting to get hold of thei r £1.99 bottles of prime their £1.99 bottles of prime drink. absolute equally extraordinary scenes in aldi all over the country says two things to me. number one, the star power that exists in a modern celebrity world and of course, fomo , fear of missing out . in fomo, fear of missing out. in a moment, we're going to talk to the leader, a new political party, the climate policy. but why do we need it? well, we've got a green party already .

it's my last talking points of the year .

it's my last talking points of the year. i've it's my last talking points of the year . i've got to tell you, the year. i've got to tell you, i love the optimism of people who set up new political parties. i love it because that being skulls of them, over the course of the last 20, 30 years, nearly all just disappeared without a trace. the old, but of course, does lead to research, should still make a bit of a difference. but the optimism i love it. i admire it. whether i agree with politics isn't the point but ed gamble, who joins me for talking pints a welcome to the program nice to see you've set the climb met you've set up the climb met policy. yes so i think there's something to open the way confession from me confession to all of you was good to have a confession. i absolutely i voted green in 1989 in the european elections , and i did so because elections, and i did so because it was run by a fella called jonathan porritt, who i thought was actually a pretty sour and solid, sensible . i always solid, sensible. i always believed in conservation and they were they were worried about the exploding global population and what the impact of that was going to be on the environ. and so, you know, i actually have some sympathies

with genuine environmentalism, but given that we have a green policy given that the conservatives are sort of vote blue, go green , the saudi arabia blue, go green, the saudi arabia of wind , given that the whole of of wind, given that the whole of westminster was up to this agenda, why the climate policy? well, obviously we set it up so that you'd have somewhere to vote when you get to the next election didn't want you election because didn't want you waste very good. waste your time. it's very good. a very, very good, as a greenish very, very good, as you say. but i mean, the particular reason is from scientific view, we've scientific point of view, we've run time, but but we run out of time, but but we don't even have to look that. don't even have to look at that. this biggest business on this is the biggest business on the planet. i mean, look, the entire planet. i mean, look, we cbi. cbi talking we just had the cbi. cbi talking about britain being downgraded. so are so britain's prospects are now downgraded. we're doing the wrong haven't got the wrong thing. we haven't got the right driving us right leadership driving us forward and. we can see this fantastic commercial opportunity coming at the coming down the road at the moment. party are moment. so the green party are pretty anti—business, it's pretty anti —business, it's always pretty anti—business, it's always seemed to me, although they the green they talk about the green revolution in green, they all talk about jobs . every talk about green jobs. every country that's put into place a big move to renewables has seen , yeah, a few jobs on windfarms

and things like that , but have and things like that, but have seen mass closures of manufacturing in many other parts, you know, many other sectors going green has cost jobs , going green has cost jobs, going green has cost a fortune to manufacturers so. so you're basically saying that you're basically saying that you're a sort of right wing version of the green. oh, yeah, we're centre right. priebus anas pro climate, right . fine. let's pro climate, right. fine. let's start with business. okay, you tell me how a net zero agenda can be good for the economy. well i think the first thing is, is how could the net is their agenda not be good for the economy. i mean currently, when we do solar panels, we buy them china. yeah. why we should be doing them here. everything doing them here. everything doing currently got the doing currently we've got the target out. it's far target too far out. it's too far away us really start working away us to really start working on when do speeches in the on it. when i do speeches in the city olympia excel at city and olympia and excel at business all that of business events and all that of thing, talk britain thing, and we talk about britain leading decarbonisation leading the decarbonisation revolution , i mean actually revolution, i mean actually getting in there, getting our hands renovating ganga. hands dirty, renovating ganga. whoa, a second, we have cut co2 emissions more than any other

developed country in the world, 44% down since 1999. we've done it by de industrialising on. you're already talking on co2 emissions . we haven't even got emissions. we haven't even got there yet, nigel. we'll get we'll get there. let's talk about the business opportunity. it actually so we can it should actually be so we can manufacture and tracking. okay so saying we can so you're saying we can manufacture can manufacture solar panels, we can manufacture solar panels, we can manufacture if we manufacture everything if we need it. and if we've got need to do it. and if we've got the opportunity to, scale it. so if we take proper scientific if we take a proper scientific target and we're target in relation and we're purist the science there purist on the science there nothing beyond decarbonisation in 2030 will keep us safe. in 2030 that will keep us safe. that's absolutely. comes that's absolutely. what comes out of the science at the out of all of the science at the moment 2050 net zero before moment now 2050 net zero before you of it's not you even remind me of it's not just greenwash, it's hogwash. we will not be safe if the most sophisticated commercially able countries go for 2050. so using not you think we can play god you think by reducing co2 little bit in the united kingdom we can change the weather? i'm certainly not suggesting we play god i wouldn't at all be god and i wouldn't at all be saying something like that . what saying something like that. what i do we can take i do think we do is we can take matters our own and get on

matters our own hands and get on with work. now, what's been with some work. now, what's been happening at the moment and i know about co2 emissions so know talk about co2 emissions so nature of co2 into, nature pumps a lot of co2 into, the far than we the atmosphere far more than we do course, because it's do that of course, because it's a carbon cycle. nigel so it's just company that has just like a company that has sales costs. so the cost of sales and costs. so the cost of putting co2 out into the putting the co2 out into the atmosphere, it's atmosphere, the sales when it's in cycle, it goes in the carbon cycle, it goes back into the earth and into the plants and everything else called carbon cycle. now the called the carbon cycle. now the extra the bit of debt is extra bit is the bit of debt is where we're going out and pumping the pumping extra into the atmosphere. to atmosphere. 3% and that's 3 to 5. i mean, that's, that's 5. but i mean, that's, that's relevant. in actual fact, do relevant. but in actual fact, do you know, nigel, the you actually know, nigel, the increase in co2 in the atmosphere since the start of the revolution, the industrial revolution, you know. seen these know. yeah i've seen these exponential, also seen exponential, but i've also seen one but i've also seen% one second but i've also seen% i've seen also see it i've also seen also see it improve use millennia through rocks. there have been times of massive increases in carbon dioxide . well, all i would say dioxide. well, all i would say to you is this, you know , have to you is this, you know, have c02 to you is this, you know, have co2 emissions gone up, manmade particles , the air, is it up? particles, the air, is it up? yes we can measure that. absolutely there is some

scientific doubt , you know, scientific doubt, you know, actually, as to how much of that man has genuinely caused it. but neither is the science. is there are plenty of scientists who query this or are not plenty . query this or are not plenty. there is a handful of those who make their by being contrarians who query they are not serious scientists . the ipcc, they seem scientists. the ipcc, they seem to andrew top scientists were the most conservative body in the most conservative body in the ipcc were set up to prove a theory it wasn't said it wasn't up it wasn't set up to have a genuine debate rubbish. it was set up to the science analyse, the scientific papers that came out reach on it. out and reach conclusion on it. and reach conclusions and when they reach conclusions on it's a conservative on it, it's a conservative conclusion. firstly because it's a they always a compromise and they always take earth shattering take the less earth shattering conclusion. the second bit is, is before these things, even come out, they're modified by governments. you comment on them. up to 200 them. so you get up to 200 governments commenting and governments are never commenting saying, go hard and saying, oh, let's go hard and fast. genuinely think, well, fast. you genuinely think, well, you we're you genuine you think we're headed increased headed for increased temperatures and a real catastrophe? well don't think i

have to actually very much. have to actually say very much. we increased temperatures we had increased temperatures here year. we're here in the uk this year. we're not even 17, 1976 not we're not even 17, 1976 where it was always hot back that but but the age of the hottest years record are in the last decade and that's not just happening here that's happening around and around the planet we and whatever you say 76 i when whatever you say 76 i mean when the chief the fire service in the chief of the fire service in london this is the london says that this is the worst for fires in the uk. worst day for fires in the uk. oh sorry, in london since world war two. that says something. that's direction we're in. that's the direction we're in. i mean, also look the mean, when you also look at the figures, weather event, figures, every weather event, every is taken to every weather event is taken to be means a disaster you know, be it means a disaster you know, i we've got a huge 70 or i mean, we've got a huge 70 or people in america over the people dead in america over the course of the last few days with these horrendous blizzards that are get big are going on. you we get big weather events. look, i tell you what, sake this what, for the sake of this debate. yes i understand your position. you believe in it, right. and respect that. you know, i've got questions around it, but i respect the and it's very, very important in politics that we actually come to a position where we do respect the right of other people to have

different points of view. i hate this with this leftist. i with you. therefore i to silence you. therefore i want to silence you. and show we get people and on this show we get people on with all shades of opinion. so let's let, let's, let's take that as a given . let's take as a that as a given. let's take as a given that you've got an economic to put forward ahead how you're going to make it work and how are you going to make it work? how are you? because, you know, you have green standing that in that constituency as well. where else have you seen a movement like yours succeed electorally? well the tables have just done it in australia. i'm sure you already know about that. that they they're sort of like they did seven they took seven seats in deeply areas from ministers and in the conservative parties. there and they did it in the most extraordinary circumstances was the number one issue and then integrity in politics. look, we hate the way representing integrity in politics as well, which has been seriously lacking in this country for a while now. and then the second and third parties, they took inclusiveness, took inclusiveness, but they took climate number

climate as the number one integrity, number two, integrity, as the number two, and wiped of the and they wiped a number of the conservative places. it was very interesting. they did well. it was sort of wealthy suburbs. that's right. a sort of upper middle class sort of chelsea kensington type, you know, sort of london analogy. they were like liberal democrats effectively . i would say they're effectively. i would say they're very much more climate conscious conservatives. i mean, we're in touch them, we're talking to them. so i mean in terms of strategy, we'll be bringing as much can to play here. how much as we can to play here. how many are going stand many seats are going to stand up currently ? and i'm be looking currently? and i'm be looking forward to your advice on this. maybe in but currently we're taking on the conservative 110 seats. so we're aiming at the 100 most marginal seats you'll appreciate because our voting system different to the system is very different to the one australia that we have to one in australia that we have to look different strategy. so look at a different strategy. so we're the we're taking on the conservatives most conservatives in 100 most marginal seats. we're also going to on the climate deniers to take on the climate deniers from conservative in from the conservative party in parliament, 19. parliament, which is about 19. so the on that so we'll take the on that roughly at about roughly overlaps at about 110. i know seats are changing the electoral, that's roughly electoral, but that's roughly the numbers that we're to

the numbers that we're going to do. on steve baker do. and you took on steve baker at the last election. i did the point knowing nothing about point of knowing nothing about politics nothing about politics and nothing about climate, got climate, how you really just got started, votes do you started, how many votes do you want me to count them all up? why i a complete noob, why i mean, as a complete noob, the whole point of standing was to get clients onto the agenda. yeah, i we did this with ukip. we did. we ukip we were effectively a pressure that fought election as a means of getting our message out to a wider public. that's exactly what we did. that changed as the years went on. there is a label a member of the media has actually is ukip the climate so that came out so should steve baker be worried ? well i think baker be worried? well i think with steve baker got a very he's got a very small margin not only that, he's now standing against me and i'm now a councillor in the area. i'm elected only on in a deeply conservative area. many conservatives out and now i've got 18 months to 24 months plus i'm backed. so i have proper backers to back me to remove steve baker and wickham and.

you're going to have to one of the arch climate deniers here stand against the leader of the climate party at gamble. you believe doing, believe in what you're doing, you're playing your part the you're playing your part in the democratic process with great respect you for doing so. respect for you for doing so. and you. thank you. it was and thank you. thank you. it was nice to be here. thank you . okay nice to be here. thank you. okay it's time for barrage. the barrage . veronica says with the barrage. veronica says with the chinese new year holiday is coming up soon. could we have another coronavirus pandemic ? another coronavirus pandemic? so, yeah, the chinese new year, i think, is on the 22nd of january. it's estimated that for hundred million chinese people will be on the move around china . and it was that chinese new year period that led to some of the mass spread that in early 2020. i'm fearful that the coronavirus ghost is coming back.i coronavirus ghost is coming back. i really am . but i'm back. i really am. but i'm determined that whatever they try to do , if this mob want to try to do, if this mob want to lock us down again. yeah. matt

hancock may have gone, but there's still the same sort of players. we must allow this to happen again. asks , do you happen again. bryan asks, do you think brexit has moved any further forward in the last year? no it's move backwards, bryan, actually, because conservatives haven't delivered on so many of the things that people wanted that it's leading even to people like me saying, oh, we disappointed the way oh, we disappointed with the way brexit going. they've got an absolutely rotten job. ron says is it possible for the reform party to win the next election or at least beat the tories? history says no, but who's to say? and sue asks , what is your say? and sue asks, what is your ideal new is a ten second answer going to ask a new year's eve? what do you want to do? new year's eve? what i want to be with a bunch of great people in a building fuelled by renewables and they can't help new zealand's prime minister. they can't help themselves. you see, they're they're obsessed and ideally as a well, a pub that's

decent, but it's not too rowdy . decent, but it's not too rowdy. well, that's it. that's my last show of the year for gb news. what i wish all of you a very, very happy new year. we're going to face the most extreme, ordinary political and i economic problems certainly in the first half of next year, maybe into the last too my to best all of you. how do you ever now to tonia buxton . hello we now to tonia buxton. hello we have got such a fantastic jam packed show for you this evening. we will be talking jamie oliver and sugar taxes. we're going to be talking about afghanistan and educating women. and we're also going to be supping some delicious white engush supping some delicious white english wines. supping some delicious white english wines . but first, here's english wines. but first, here's the weather . hello there. i'm the weather. hello there. i'm with your weather update . an with your weather update. an amber warning for heavy rain has been issued across southern parts of scotland. abroad yellow warning rain. northern warning for rain. northern ireland, central and southern areas scotland and a warning areas of scotland and a warning for snow ice across northern for snow and ice across northern scotland . yes, the weather scotland. yes, the weather remains unsettled and cold in

places, particularly in the one area of low pressure clearing towards far north, another one approaching from the west. and this an area of heavy rain which will track across northern ireland, clipping northern england and pushing towards scotland same time, rain scotland. at the same time, rain will approach well the will approach as well as the west country the winds pick west country as the winds pick up strength winds up some strength and the winds will feature of the weather will be a feature of the weather through of through the first part of friday. severe gales across the nonh friday. severe gales across the north channel. gales, of course, irish sea coast as well as channel coast. and a wet and windy start day. so that windy start to the day. so that amber the fact that amber warning, the fact that there's on there's going to be issues on there's going to be issues on the with surface water the roads with surface water high totals could high rainfall totals could actually see some flooding here . so a risk of some really quite torrential for a time. but it clears quickly by clears quite quickly by lunchtime. places seeing lunchtime. most places seeing dner lunchtime. most places seeing drier skies away from shetland as well as orkney, although a legacy of showers will arrive across northern ireland and scotland through the afternoon, a here, a few showers a blustery here, a few showers running in across the southeast of england now overnight, some clear skies yet again across more southern areas. so icy across the far north scotland

across the far north of scotland , the snow above around , the risk of snow above around 200 metres and then some sporadic bursts of rain come in from the west across many parts as head into the early hours of new year's eve. so still unsettled for the last day of 2022. rain comes and goes through the day on new year's eve. a keen breeze coming in the southwest. even so , scotland and southwest. even so, scotland and northern ireland will remain and through the day the rain will intensify across more southern areas. a blustery day wherever you are with showers to follow across western hours. but even a little sunshine to end 2022 for northern ireland . temperatures northern ireland. temperatures then will struggle in the north. milder in the and here's milder in the south. and here's your outlook into the beginning of dry skies on monday of 2023. dry skies on monday with even some sunshine .

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