hello there. it's 6:00 michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got you talking today. and i'll tell you, isn't it this cause talking for weeks and months now, the nhs, let's face it, it is pretty much broken now. is it is it, is

it the end of the road . some it at the end of the road. some people are saying it's time for a national critical incident to be declared so that the army can step and help sort out some step in and help sort out some of problems that we're of the problems that we're experiencing example, experiencing in, for example, places like a&e. is that the answer .7 also, more strikes answer? also, more strikes pretty much everywhere, quite frankly. are we ever going to see the end of this? should the government just cave and give everyone that everyone whatever it is that they're for? what do you they're asking for? what do you reckon that? and a tory mp, reckon to that? and a tory mp, speaking of them, cut themselves as because as a hot water recently because the fire brigade union basically tweeted their words, not mine. many fire fighters are being forced to use foodbanks because they are fair to £2,000 a year. the tory mp says they're not prioritising and the bad at budgeting is, he writes or not. and those are women in the workplace . some would say we've workplace. some would say we've had to fight hard to get our place here. now many women are saying that we should have a legal right to know what our male counterparts are writing in

the workplace . really? would you the workplace. really? would you want your salary made public? so we picked over and probably people to be made jealous over all. should we all just be responsible for negotiating the best deal we can get our hands on? i want your thoughts on all of that, but let's bring of that, but first, let's bring ourselves to space with ourselves up to space with tonight's headlines. tonight's latest headlines. hello. it is at 6:02. i'm karen armstrong . in the gb newsroom, armstrong. in the gb newsroom, over 40,000 rail workers are staging fresh strikes this week. it is causing major disruption for people returning to work after the christmas break. four out of every five trains have been cancelled as members of the rmt union network rail on 14 train operators are walking out for 48 hours from today. they'll do the same on friday, while drivers in the aslef union will strike on thursday . it is part strike on thursday. it is part of the long running dispute over pay of the long running dispute over pay and conditions which the rmt general secretary mick lynch says is vital for the future of

the industry . up to the the industry. up to the government now to show us that they mean business and that they want to facilitate some talks rather than undermining them as we believe they did before christmas. by putting provisions in that they know none of the railway unions going to accept. so if we can get some realistic talks with some proper proposals and talks , we will and progressive talks, we will work all the parties to get work with all the parties to get that old. however, the transport secretary, mark harper , says it secretary, mark harper, says it isfime secretary, mark harper, says it is time for the unions to get off the picket line and get round the negotiating table. the government to continue government is going to continue to really try and to work really hard to try and help bring the two sides together to this resolved . i together to get this resolved. i know how frustrating this is for commuters and the danger is it puts people off using the railways, is a of self railways, which is a bit of self harm on the part of the rail unions that haven't settled this dispute. i think dispute. what i think the government is make sure government can do is make sure there's fair and reasonable there's a fair and reasonable offer the table which there offer on the table which there is facilitate those negotiations between and trade between employers and trade unions and try and make sure we get this dispute resolved for the travelling public . the

the travelling public. the government insists it is doing everything possible to increase hospital capacity, as top medics describe the current situation as unbearable . more than a dozen as unbearable. more than a dozen nhs trusts and ambulance services declared critical incidents over the festive period. the royal college of emergency medicine says somewhere between three and 500 people are dying each week as a result of delays in urgent care. the health secretary steve barclay says the government is providing more funding , focusing providing more funding, focusing the funding onto the operations backlogs, for example, getting more diagnostic hubs in place, getting the surgery call hubs that were rolling out , getting that were rolling out, getting the backlog from the pandemic reduced. that's been the key priority. that's where we've surged additional funding. but we also recognise the big pressure that we're seeing play through in terms of ambulance, handover delays is largely triggered by those who are fit to leave hospital , but delayed to leave hospital, but delayed in doing so. and we need to feel that big capacity and that is

often about having the right social care provision to do so. people travelling to england from china will not be forced to quarantine if they test positive for covid on arrival. the government says the move is about collecting information due to the beijing government's refusal to share its own coronavirus data following a surge in cases their testing will be optional for passengers landing at heathrow airport under the new measures, people flying to england from china there will be required to show a negative covid test before boarding the plane . the married boarding the plane. the married british couple are among four people who've been killed in a mid air crash between two helicopters in australia . diane helicopters in australia. diane and ron hughes, aged 57 and 65 from merseyside , said they were from merseyside, said they were on holiday when the accident happened yesterday in the gold coast region . three others were coast region. three others were left critically injured . left critically injured. queensland say the queensland police say the initial investigations indicate the collision occurred when one helicopter was taking off and the other was landing . the prime the other was landing. the prime minister says ukraine can count

on the uk for ongoing long term support . rishi sunak held a call support. rishi sunak held a call with the president volodymyr zelenskyy this afternoon where sunak pledged to provide further equipment in the coming weeks to help ensure ukraine's victory on the battlefield . uk has recently the battlefield. uk has recently delivered more than a thousand anti—air missiles in recent days in response to a renewed wave of russian attacks . and thousands russian attacks. and thousands of mourners have lined the streets to pay their final respects to the brazilian football legend pele. his coffin was carried on a firetruck from the stadium of his former club, santos, through the neighbourhood where his mother still lives to a private family funeral . earlier, the newly funeral. earlier, the newly sworn in brazilian president lula da silva was amongst the 230,000 people to file past the open casket in the stadium where pele's body lie lie in state for 24 hours. the three time world cup winner died from cancer last thursday at the age of 82. tv onune thursday at the age of 82. tv

online on dab plus radio. this is gb news. now it is back to dewbs & co . dewbs& co. thanks for that. well, i'm with you right through till 7:00 this evening, keeping me company alongside me right through. and celine is emma burnell, a political consultant and i surveillance is a form around vice that's a liz truss and also says and speechwriter how does that me speechwriter generally all specifically just for liz truss both ben and now what was the word that she kept saying. it was one word was it you'll follow delivery step up. no as long as it's one word gets growth. growth and growth. i think there was another one, but i've had a christmas break since and i don't know the prime minister. that's right. remember what that one word? it what was that one word? if it p0ps what was that one word? if it pops out you guys? i say it's pops out to you guys? i say it's okay. pops out to you guys? i say it's okay . i pops out to you guys? i say it's okay. ican pops out to you guys? i say it's okay . i can set pops out to you guys? i say it's okay. i can set you up. yes. oh okay. i can set you up. yes. oh okay. yeah. oh, before my time.

that's glory days . it was okay. yeah. oh, before my time. that's glory days. it was an early meme that she helped set up in politics. i do find the political goings on quite fascinating . it's a little bit fascinating. it's a little bit beyond me sometimes. i think it's so kind of detached from the real world. i can tell you what fascinating stuff. if anyone ever wants to be a speechwriter for me, get in touch to let me know. because i've got to be honest, i am supposed to write little supposed to write a little speech to start my programmes and i keep forgetting i'm blaming my christmas blaming it on my christmas holiday. listening, holiday. so if you're listening, if i can recruit if that's actually i can recruit you i could for me, you and i could write for me, good riddance. goodbye we're going monitor exactly going to monitor exactly a little bit later on the little bit later on in the program because of the program because one of the things want to talk you things i want to talk to you guys about tonight is women in the apparently, all the workplace. apparently, all we hear is about how much we ever hear is about how much of bum we get. and many of a bum deal we get. and many people now saying that most people now are saying that most women legal right women should have a legal right to know what our male counterparts around in the world of work should we so like i don't know if says good workers should i have a legal entitlement to be able to ascertain well what is being

ascertain well what is he being paid versus what i'm being paid or you yeah. i find all or may oh, you yeah. i find all this a little bit all a little bit peculiar. i think my salary is my own business, quite frankly, nobody but frankly, nobody else's. but where do you stand on that matter? i also want talk to matter? i also want to talk to you or no t £32,000 you about whether or not £32,000 or thereabouts is enough to live on in this country. should you have to be forced , i quote, to have to be forced, i quote, to use a fitbit , a food bank on use a fitbit, a food bank on that salary ? that is what the that salary? that is what the fire brigade union are saying today. but one tory mp is having none of it. where do you stand on all of that? and you guys have been getting in touch . did have been getting in touch. did you watch the show last night, adrian says, michelle, yesterday you wore bright red and he blames that for the conflicts between my guess. and i said i would black today to try would wear black today to try and avoid conflicts. forgot. and avoid conflicts. i forgot. so black. i wore so i didn't wear black. i wore stripes, we're to chat stripes, but we're going to chat with panel. we're not with the panel. we're not talking tonight. talking of it tonight. we're going to be sensible bunch tonight. if you had a headache last can you now last night, i can tell you now you're not alone. i want your thoughts tonight. phil says, michelle, you look like a

christmas present tonight. phil i as a i don't take that as a compliment christmas is compliment this christmas is done that that done now, so that means that i've in the corner i've been sat in the corner somewhere. going somewhere. probably going a bit, moulds bit out of date. moulds a little bit out of date. it's i'll take you sentiments, but i'm not about it. chris but i'm not sure about it. chris has in such michel has been in such thing. michel firefighters may ge t £32,000 firefighters may get £32,000 a yean firefighters may get £32,000 a year, but the deduction is a massive, he says, when i was a firefighter, i had to pay i2% pension payments , which took pension payments, which took a fortune out of my pocket and i'm fascinated by that, chris, to get back in touch with me and tell me, is that mandatory? do you have to pay those kind of contributions? employer contributions? employer contributions? by the way, let me get this. so don't me just get this. so don't misquote it. 28.8% apparently is the employer contributions to the employer contributions to the pension is, of course, paid for by you. and i. the taxpayers won't do anything to public sector pensions. i might get into that as what if i got a little bit more time later on in the show? but right now let's talk we? tell talk nhs shall we? did i tell you, by the way, the email address in case your new face and a pair of eyes today gp

views gbnews.uk how you views and gbnews.uk is how you get of me. you can tweet me get hold of me. you can tweet me as well at gb news or at michelle jacobs. and if you are to show, what's the to new the show, what's the channel? happy new channel? welcome. happy new year to to to you. welcome to the conversation the debate. conversation and the debate. so the nhs then of declared a the nhs then that of declared a critical . this is all critical incident. this is all because basically it's in a mess now, it. we always a now, isn't it. we always have a winter problem, apparently winter problem, but apparently this than it was at this one is worse than it was at the height of the pandemic. the i come to you first. some people are saying it's time to declare are saying it's time to declare a national critical incident so that that would allow us to have access, for example, to the army to step in and help matters. where stand? well, the where do you stand? well, the army to bail out in so army set to bail us out in so many ways. we've already seen them practically manning the border force border when the border force walked so can walked out. and so i can understand these calls understand why these calls are coming but need to give coming. but then we need to give the army a break at the same time. that's a step and time. that's a step back. and look the system, the look at what the system, the problems, having right now, problems, it's having right now, you health across you know, health systems across europe, been europe, they all have been similarly rocked by similarly buffeted and rocked by very because of very similar things because of covid and at the same time, they've had their own strains,

you know, in recent years with flu winter crises. but flu and the winter crises. but of very specific of the of course very specific of the nhs, it is kind of tragic. that's over the last years that's over the last few years it's been battered , especially it's been battered, especially by also had the by covid. it's also had the strikes, the ambulance drivers walking out, nurses . so it's no walking out, nurses. so it's no surprise. it's really feeling the crunch now more than ever in recent years. and it is also tragic that this seems like every winter it's practically in crisis . and so you don't think crisis. and so you don't think now is the time to get the armed forces out and get something set up? i wouldn't say so, but i can see why it's attractive is attractive to me. i can tell you i'm a what about you? i don't know is the answer, because i'm not in charge of the data of the nhs and what i genuinely think is, is important is that we take that kind of decision out of the political realm. it shouldn't be a left right. the battle ring ram for us to have a we can either and i will have very different ideas about how to fix the nhs, about how the nhs

should be funded, managed run . should be funded, managed run. but in terms of that kind of operation or decision, i really think that should be a non—political decision. there should be a set of criteria that the nhs can provably be hit or not provably hit and that is when the trigger point should happen. well, the lib dems, for example, they calling for parliament to be recalled early. it's not supposed to be that. so when don't call for when don't they call for parliament be recalled? parliament to be recalled? early. what do you see? i've got to say agree with them on that to say i agree with them on that . i think christmas is done and dusted. is christmas dusted. what is some christmas houday dusted. what is some christmas holiday country is holiday for the country is crumbling around is pretty crumbling all around is pretty much you shouldn't much everywhere. you shouldn't be it is doing whatever be wherever it is doing whatever it is, you should be in parliament debating these critical and i would be critical issues. and i would be in favour actually of the nightingale hospitals or whatever them. whatever you want to call them. now, being recreated and have staffing by people like the armed forces to help us through the situation. well, as i say, i think that's a clinical and operational decision for the nhs. i don't think it should be

a political one in terms of whether parliament should be in recess or not. i think it is important to remember that when employees are in their constituencies, they're not necessarily on holiday. they're probably lot of probably doing quite a lot of constituency . they're constituency work. they're talking working the talking and working with the people who are in their constituencies, that's constituencies, and that's an important job. important part of their job. their is not just to sit in theirjob is not just to sit in the houses of parliament, and there's a real misconception about that. say that as about that. and i say that as much conservative mp. so i much about conservative mp. so i fight depose i do about fight to depose as i do about labour mp. so why to get labour mp. so why fight to get elected? do you think should elected? do you think it should be early? i think be recalled early? no, i think i very much agree that mp is a valuable work with their constituents to christmas constituents going to christmas events, events and events, new year's events and all and you bet your all the rest. and you bet your bottom dollar of did you just say a valuable work going to christmas event? well, supporting the supporting you, having the fingers of their fingers on the pulses of their constituencies so they can understand how critical these issues i'll tell you issues are. and i'll tell you what, monday, no doubt, what, on monday, no doubt, they'll you chapter and they'll have you chapter and verse about all the problems they're having their local they're having in their local hospitals, whether all sort hospitals, whether all the sort of and of issues they're having. and that's know , from that's why, you know, from the very few they're very first few days they're back, be, you

back, they're going to be, you know, the ground, know, hitting the ground, running, really getting to grips with having debates with this, having the debates and having it with the authority. and you know, knowing what's going on. yeah. what's your you your response to what are you saying at home? because saying to that at home? because i don't think to be in i don't think you need to be in your constituency talking your local constituency talking to people, going to events to know that actually that this is nationally . was it 500 deaths nationally. was it 500 deaths a week? now excess deaths a week now because of failings in emergency care? you don't need to go to either and i'll pick mine hole, for example , or mine hole, for example, or wherever to sit there as a figure out you've got an issue you can't switch a telephone, you can't switch a telephone, you can't switch a telephone, you can't read a newspaper, you can't, you know, go online without seeing that people are dying. and it is this does feel worse than previous years. of course . and then is because course. and then this is because i think it's just the simple fact of what the twin terror, if you like, of the covid backlog and how we got this resurgence now of covid, whether it's a new strain, we'll see. time will tell. and in particular than the flu and strep a and also the

strikes. you know, they've not been helping , but we were not been helping, but we were not resilient when it came to the you know, we wave we were talking about winter crisis before anyone had heard the word covid. this yeah. these are you telling me we weren't talking about a winter crisis in 2017, 2018 20? these are things that have been ongoing and the nhs has been being ground down and part of it is the big changes that happened in 2012 with the health and social care bill and the dissolution of a national nhs into so many different parts that old were supposed to compete with each other, that not able to talk properly to each other, all these different trust that just don't really work together as a, as a national whole . so there are national whole. so there are a number of issues with the nhs, some of which pre—date covid, a lot of which have been made significantly worse by covid. but these are long term problems and i would say that i don't think the eight that the what happened under labour labour

could have rebuilt the nhs from when it was on its knees in the nineties, but they did not take it into the modern world as much as i would have liked. there were problems, for example with i.t not joining up i.t systems not joining up properly. those were labour issues. always to issues. i'm always willing to say labour things say when labour gets things wrong, feel that in wrong, but i do feel that in particular clearly since 2012, the issues that that were kicked off by that bill and the problem was everyone thought that bill was everyone thought that bill was it disaster? but wasn't was it disaster? but it wasn't like a disaster immediately. so therefore it wasn't considered an actual disaster. it was a slow running disaster. and now we are at the bit of the point of impact and so i think we've got to be really conscious to say the nhs is a wonderful thing, we should protect it , but thing, we should protect it, but the ways to protect it are to reform it. and then you and i can have a ding dong, not necessarily on your show. michel but i don't care how we do that, but i don't care how we do that, but how we make an nhs that is free at the point of use and fit for modern purpose, and those that lost over strikes. you've

not mentioned what's happened. we're going to come back to, well, i think the strikes are a symptom of all of this. i think the strikes are as much of a part of the problem because they are a symptom of what's been happening, not a cause of it. well, want touch on these well, i want to touch on these strikes a more detail in strikes in a bit more detail in a after the break, a second. after the break, stuart's been touch so , stuart's been in touch so, michel, we keep talking about nightingale hospital, who's nightingale hospital, but who's going them? keep going to staff them? i keep having the same i do having the same answer. i do say bnng having the same answer. i do say bring army. robin says, bring in the army. robin says, oh, we go. michelle again, oh, here we go. michelle again, obsessed with getting the army to do everything . robin to do everything. robin basically thinks i'm a bit ridiculous . they are very. yeah ridiculous. they are very. yeah well, and hate robin, i. i'm assuming you're a man. i don't know. robin is saying why would you think that the army's basic medical training would qualify them to take care of a nightingale hospital? well, because, robin, what you would do is you would make the nightingale hospital was like an what were they called the mash hospitals or whatever. so you take people in a medically take the people in a medically well discharged from well to be discharged from hospital. put them into

hospital. you put them into these facilities because really they medical they don't need medical assistance necessarily. they just attention and care and just need attention and care and all that kind of stuff and that i think the army would be able to help with. and you get the army to do everything these days. that's only if days. so why not? that's only if you in the army are you you are in the army are you shouting and screaming and saying, absolute saying, i'm talking absolute nonsense. and you don't think that that's should that that's what you should be getting doing getting in touch with doing these days? i don't know. you tell me else are you guys tell me what else are you guys saying? going take saying? i'm going to take a quick a second. and quick break in a second. and when i come back, want to get when i come back, i want to get into the strikes situation. where all of where do you stand on all of that, bob? there is michelle. the truth is that not all the harsh truth is that not all frontline workers up frontline workers are up to scratch. until we accept scratch. and until we accept that, well, never sort out the nhs problem and i'll speak out in line workers. in defensive front line workers. so actually, bob, if i may, because feel a little bit because i do feel a little bit sorry for them, think that sorry for them, i think that there of them are working there a lot of them are working as as possibly can. as hard as they possibly can. they're working very unsociable hours, shifts. and hours, very long shifts. and i think systems, think it's often the systems, the processes and some the the processes and some of the strategic decisions that are making life hard for them actually, probably making it actually, and probably making it

hard do their job. hard for them to do their job. simon and says, have seen your army officials step in to sort down the top positions ? i like down the top positions? i like what you're saying there. what you're basically saying, simon, is if you're getting the efficiency of army to create efficiency of the army to create efficiency of the army to create efficiency nhs, maybe efficiency in the nhs, maybe that work more than just that might work more than just the front line stuff. christine says, i like this, michelle, what an excellent it reveals. thank you . she says, if not the thank you. she says, if not the army, what about retired doctors 7 army, what about retired doctors ? didn't we do that in covid times , by the way? didn't we do times, by the way? didn't we do shout for volunteer pupils, come back into the nhs? christine yeah, i like that idea of yours as well. get in touch with your thoughts. i'm going to take a quick break. gbviews@gbnews.uk is the email address when i come back. it'sjust is the email address when i come back. it's just alluded to it strikes us, the way, i forgot strikes us, by the way, i forgot to mention this three letter word that comes in my inbox and i've just seen it pop up as i'm about to go to the break. so on that, i've got one way to it that, i've got one way to say it to emma pfi. i hold my hands up. well, i don't have my hands up,

but it had nothing to do with it. but i was against pfi. it was a bad system is a bad system of finance. we did build new hospitals. it was not the best way financing them. way of financing them. yeah. some people as as some of the people as well as say what about wales? because obviously are in full obviously labour are in full control in some respects of the nhs building nhs there. how is that building all? are you in wales? how is life you that when it comes life for you that when it comes to getting such? let me to the nhs getting such? let me know thoughts. going to know your thoughts. i'm going to take break. see you take a quick break. i'll see you in i come back. i want in two, but i come back. i want to talk to you about striking goodness gracious it's goodness gracious me, it's everywhere, it? what? everywhere, isn't it? what? we're going to about it, we're going to do about it, folks me and i'll see folks do tell me and i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 this evening alongside me, emma burnell, who's a political consultant. and bennett's consultant. and i saw bennett's speech writer and former adviser

to leicester ross. welcome back, everybody . karl says, michelle, everybody. karl says, michelle, i too left today. i received a call from the nhs trust asking why i had not attended an appointment to have a blood transfusion . this appointment transfusion. this appointment had been cancelled due to the strikes, she says . i had to strikes, she says. i had to explain. i've not received a letter informing me of the new appointment, probably due to the royal mail strike. and now i'm wondering whether or not i'll even be get a new even be able to get a new appointment to the rest. appointment due to the rest. right. she says nothing in right. so she says nothing in this works anymore . this country works anymore. well, i can tell you, carla, you've just teed me up nicely. so my next topic is i do want to talk about strikes. let's just cut to the chase pretty much everyone everywhere. it feels like areva, striking like anywhere. areva, striking hofstra strike or hofstra have been on strike or are planning to strike, of course, union and there's a lot of talk about this kind of anti strike laws that have been proposed by rishi sunak this legislation. if it happened , legislation. if it happened, would extend to plans to enforce minimum service levels, only minimum service levels, not only for service , but across the for rail service, but across the whole public sector , including

whole public sector, including places the nhs, work places like the nhs, work assembly staff, teachers assembly, staff, teachers and border force. i'll start with you on this. i mean, do you think it is time to get tougher on striking the parameters for doing so, etc. no, obviously, no. i'm i don't think that at all. and also i don't think it's possible. i think that sunak will really, really struggle to get any legislation action that can get through parliament. it's written and dealt with in time to get through in this parliament, in time to deal with the current wave of strikes. i just think it's posturing. he's posturing. he's trying to sound like a big, tough guy when he's a small weight guy. i mean, i wasn't actually talking about his size, but he is or something like that, you know, he's i mean, it just is in terms of his political demeanour, he's he's not he's he just hasn't got the back up in parliament to get through the things that he wants

to get through. he can't pass even the slightest bit of controversial legislation. and i just can't see him getting this through in time to deal with any of that. so it just feels like he's posturing. he's trying to talk tough , but actually he talk tough, but actually he won't be able to deliver tough. and actually nothing looks weaker . but and actually nothing looks weaker. but if can, talking weaker. but if he can, talking tough failing to deliver. tough for failing to deliver. no, don't think he should, no, i don't think he should, because think the answer because i don't think the answer to a workforce that is so feeling, so demeaned and so out of sorts that they have taken to going without pay for a day is to stop them from being apart from having that fundamental human right to withdraw their laboun human right to withdraw their labour. yeah, i'm not sure they're talking about stopping it. i think they're talking more about making it perhaps more not difficult, but perhaps more reflective of the overall workforce. so where do you stand on it? well, i think it should be harder to strike like this, particularly when we see this pandemic of industrial action that sort of blighted 70 services. and makes sense services. and it makes sense that was fascinated emma's that i was fascinated by emma's analysis particular

analysis of one particular aspect i just pulled out aspect of it. i just pulled out the idea that actually, you know, to push this know, she tried to push this through legislation is, through and the legislation is, you on arrival for you know, dead on arrival for two firstly we find in two reasons. firstly we find in europe, other places like belgium, italy, luxembourg, france. so they have more minimum minimum service level legislation. they have, you know, in place to make know, such laws in place to make it tougher. the second point it tougher. and the second point we talking about manifesto we are talking about manifesto policy. stuff that the policy. this is stuff that the tories were elected in 2019 on. you know, this was pushing it. bofisis you know, this was pushing it. boris is pushing it in. rishi clearly wants to do something with this and we'll have to with this and so we'll have to see it is for the moment. see what it is for the moment. he's not he's clearly waiting, not necessarily, suggest, necessarily, i'd suggest, because he's weak, but because he's trying use stick to he's trying to use as a stick to dangle, you know, while the unions are having strikes unions are having their strikes to incentivise sort of to trying to incentivise sort of particular we particular good behaviour, we will the time will see. and at the same time i'm sure of course labour and the paymasters have i'm sure of course labour and theto paymasters have i'm sure of course labour and theto in paymasters have i'm sure of course labour and theto in the iymasters have i'm sure of course labour and theto in the housears have i'm sure of course labour and theto in the house of have i'm sure of course labour and theto in the house of commons an to in the house of commons when it comes to the vote. i mean the unions are and we're very affiliated to the very proudly affiliated to the labour have labour party. i don't have a problem saying that and the problem with saying that and the idea that the paymasters would come a surprise, come is quite a surprise,

particularly say that the particularly to say that the rmt, not affiliate rmt, which are not affiliate into labour party , to into the labour party, to the royal of nursing , also royal college of nursing, also not affiliated to the labour party so are there are party. so there are there are two different things that one is the labour party is largely funded by the working people and the money they pay in through their union. secondly many of those unions not feeling like they getting the best deal from keir starmer at the moment and several other of them are not affiliated at all. and those are the ones that we are largely talking about at the moment. so the idea there's some sort the idea that there's some sort of pro quo there kind of of quid pro quo there is kind of silly backs of rishi sunak if he can getit silly backs of rishi sunak if he can get it through , fine. that's can get it through, fine. that's his democratic, right? i will fight that because it's my democratic right to say i think it's the wrong thing to do. but my honest opinion is i don't think he can get it through. i don't think he can get it through parliament. i don't think he can get it through some of his more fractious backbenches, particularly those in and i don't in the red wall. and i don't think get through the

think he can get it through the house lords in time for this house of lords in time for this to have effect on this to have any effect on this current of strikes . do you current wave of strikes. do you think these strikes are going to have desired outcome ? have the desired outcome? because for example, if because i think, for example, if the royal royal mail one, i just didn't send any christmas cards this year . so didn't send any christmas cards this year. so i changed my behaviour because i just saw i'm not going to waste my money, i'm going to waste my time. probably i'm that. i just i'm going to get that. i just won't and now probably won't bother. and i now probably will that going will stick to that going forward. year because forward. next year because i actually work fine. just took actually work fine. i just took my christmas cards with me when i family handed them i saw my family and handed them out opposed putting out as opposed to putting them and know that, for and we all know that, for example, the royal mail is facing challenges. facing cash challenges. at the one time it did need to raise money. it was with that kind of christmas spike in revenue. and i wonder some of these i just wonder if some of these strikes becoming almost strikes are becoming almost self—defeating. self—harm bombing all bombing in a way, because all you're forcing people you're doing is forcing people to behaviour once to change their behaviour once they've away from they've changed away from your products service , it can be products and service, it can be quite difficult to them back quite difficult to get them back again as customers. oh, suddenly there's a real long risk of there's a real long term risk of that. know, when we've seen that. you know, when we've seen it people work

it in the trains, people work from more. that's they from home more. that's how they get strikes. they're, get around the strikes. they're, as when the royal as you're saying, when the royal mail on strike, it's hard. mail is on strike, it's hard. some cards you send e cards whatsapps texts as say, whatsapps texts or as you say, hand—deliver you become the postman i think postman in effect. so i think it's not in terms of how it's not just in terms of how the consumer how the public reacts to this. there's that sort of risk they need to be aware of. and the government's made to. it's also made that clear to. it's also just much can afford just how much they can afford this. unions are this. obviously the unions are making they're the ones making clear they're the ones that, you know, they can afford to on for the spring, to maybe go on for the spring, but beyond summer, but for beyond the summer, that's question, that's an open question, i guess, you have to guess, because you have to remember, don't make money. remember, they don't make money. they bailed out by they have to be bailed out by hardship when they go out hardship funds. when they go out and yeah, that's the and strike. yeah, that's the point. my view it just point. one of my view is it just might as well what they're saying the winners saying is that the only winners in action are the in the strike action are the union leaders. you're saying it's those people that are not losing the money, but flip losing the money, but the flip side would as emma side to that would be, as emma is saying, that actually, you know, truly know, is people really, truly believe they're this believe that they're doing this for good and its for the greater good and its times are fact, times are hard. in fact, actually, in a second. but talking about how hard times are

because what . let us a because what. let us take a quick break. when i come back, a tory mp is in trouble. it's come under a lot of criticism because the fire brigade union have basically said many basically tweeted and said many firefighters . an d £32,000 there firefighters. and £32,000 there or thereabouts have been forced to use food banks. that tory mp, though, is saying that is because they're not prioritising their funds properly. they don't know how to put it. some people are saying that's just the tories being the nasty party and completely inappropriate is it? i don't know. you tell me and i'll see you into . coming up on i'll see you into. coming up on dan wootton tonight with mark dolan with the health service in a death spiral is it time to privatise the nhs ? mark asks the privatise the nhs? mark asks the question the msm isn't brave enough to tackle . plus, there's enough to tackle. plus, there's opinion galore from comedy legend and free speech activist graham linehan . former mumford graham linehan. former mumford and sons musician winston marshall and fleet street icon calvin mackenzie. that's dan wootton tonight with mark dolan

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gb news. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry right through to 7:00 this evening alongside matt emma burnell, consultant burnell, a political consultant , and as bennetts, the former adviser to liz truss and a speechwriter . you guys have been speechwriter. you guys have been in touch in your droves on those last few topics. richard so as a michel , i served in the royal michel, i served in the royal navy for 17 years and i am sick to death with how the army deal with strikes and emergencies is not just the army as people say, it is the military. the royal navy, the royal air force and the army . what are you saying ? the army. what are you saying? please, michelle, think before you speak. it's not the army . it you speak. it's not the army. it is the military. richard i will

consider myself told caroline says when it comes to the strikes, they are having an effect on hardworking business owners and employees of smes. our customers don't care, she says about delays, receiving their goods, etc. when it comes to the strikes, what she's saying is, is the companies, the small businesses that are going to be the casualties of this strike action. let me know your thoughts on that. peter says, michelle, according to your guests and the public servants, feel so it means that they are forced but if you forced to strike. but if you take the total renumeration, the pubuc take the total renumeration, the public sector can compare it to the private sector, he says. the pubuc the private sector, he says. the public sector don't do badly at all and he says as a taxpayer, it's me that feels demeaned. being expected to pay for the post service that i'm receiving from the public sector. emma burnell was shaking her head . i burnell was shaking her head. i think she doesn't agree with you. right. let's say she definitely doesn't cool it. is it unfair? goodness me. right tory mp but jan face ceo jan

their core blimey. in what sector ? first day of january. sector? first day of january. what day is it? the fed. and not so fast. that's my face. already whacking it. we've got to try and cheer you up anyway. by the end of january anyway. food banks. why a tory mp has come under fire. basically because the has the fire brigade union has tweeted that many firefighters that around about that are earning around about £52,000 are being full, forced to use foodbanks. the tory mp, brendon clarke smith , who's the brendon clarke smith, who's the mp for bassetlaw, he basically said that in a nutshell these people simply need to learn how to budget and prioritise highs. what are you saying to that? so it's interesting. it's on the facebook. it's one of those classic social media who has in which, you know , tory mp was which, you know, tory mp was monstered for saying something very sort of tory ish in his way. but then look at the what he's replying for you he's replying to for you effectively is saying its effectively is saying in its wording implying that wording almost implying that firefighters , if they're living firefighters, if they're living on 30,000 and up having to go foodbanks. you know, i've no

doubt that some will do and have but not all of them i would wager. so that's where it's kind of almost overly generalist. and so he's pushed on to push back saying that the thrift is of value. yeah. and was the value. yeah. and that was the point that he was making was point that he was making he was actually aiming he was actually aiming for. he was basically there basically saying that there will be where people need be exceptions where people need to do that. he was getting to do that. but he was getting tired of the kind of it being wheeled that sentence being wheeled out, that sentence being wheeled out, that sentence being wheeled standard wheeled out as almost standard or use food or nurses having to use food banks. happened banks. firefighters happened to use saying , use foodbanks. he's saying, generalisation of overuse of generalisation of the overuse of that term is what he is pushing back well, is discussing back on. well, is discussing that a single person in this country, particularly public country, particularly a public servant, foodbank servant, has to use a foodbank and that's there is to it. and that's all there is to it. and should better than and he should know better than to buy than to be leaning so hard into that evil tory stereotype , because frankly, it stereotype, because frankly, it was unnecessary . social stereotype, because frankly, it was unnecessary. social media is not the place to have a subtle, nuanced conversation about how we manage different ways and we can manage different ways and thing, but to be honest, the reason people might suddenly find themselves if their first

2002 years ago when they had a 2% pay rise in the meantime and their mortgage or rent has gone up significantly, childcare costs have gone up significant . costs have gone up significant. certainly food prices are going up 10 to 12. it's not the case of have not been able to budget. they would probably budgeting perfectly well two or three years ago, but it's that they haven't got the money to budget ways and i. he may well have been making some subtle point but you don't do that on twitter and he she knows better than that some of you a trev he says, michel, it's a simple fact that some people will take anything for it's all a part of for free. it's all a part of life, he says. if you can't live 0 n £32,000 a year, there is on £32,000 a year, there is something wrong. so what do you say to so many of my viewers? and i've got a lot of people as well, and i'm writing in there on pensions, for example, they saying that they would give. right. and basically, i'm paraphrasing, give paraphrasing, but they'd give their be able to their right to be able to in fact,, £2,000. well, you're in fact, £2,000. well, if you're in a will have had the

a pension, you will have had the triple lock. your income will have protected in a way have been protected in a way that not been. so that a workers has not been. so if your wages have gone up 2, but costs have up but your costs have gone up somewhere between and 15, somewhere between ten and 15, you're mortgage has gone up 5. your or your rent has gone up significantly higher than that because rent sell abouts dripping mortgages, you've got two or three children that you could budget for perfectly. well two three years ago when you two or three years ago when you adam the childcare adam and now now the childcare costs are outstripping the costs of feeding your children something probably want something we all probably want people to be able to do is being outstripped this is outstripped by ten, 12. this is not a question of people, not being sensible or prudent . being sensible or prudent. people are really, really struggling. and some of them at the sharper end are going to have to go and have to ask humiliatingly. nobody wants to go. you know, fewer 12 may have a darker view of humanity that people don't to ask for help. they find it very difficult. even the people at the sharpest end don't want to be giving back, rather than asking for

more. well, there's probably two types of people, to be fair, isn't there? there's probably signs. probably a type signs. there's probably a type of you've acknowledge it of you've got to acknowledge it there. a type person there. there's a type of person that struggling, very that is struggling, is very proud, ask for proud, doesn't want to ask for help and to go to food bank is help and to go to a food bank is probably the height of shame and embarrassment. those embarrassment. absolutely. those people awful people exist and that is awful and to. that doesn't and try to. but that doesn't take fact that take away from the fact that there will also be people that think i'm going just a nanosecond. why should i spend my food i can my 50 quid on food when i can get for free over there? get it for free over there? well, i mean, we've well, again, i mean, we've talked for there are talked about this for there are quite usually most food banks have quite stringent, you know, failure policy, all them, failure policy, not all of them, but know, the but most of them, you know, the vast, majority do. and, vast, vast majority do. and, you know, my mother works in a food bank. so she sees these people every day. this is this is not these are not people who are chance their. i'm don't chance in their. i'm you don't chance in their. i'm you don't chance you're i'm with my mum trust these are people need trust me. these are people need help. want to ask for help. they don't want to ask for help. they don't want to ask for help. was working in a help. when i was working in a homeless shelter christmas, homeless shelter over christmas, these people these are people again people are at times they're are embarrassed at times they're having to get to that situation and desperately wanting to turn

their lives around and so this isn't a case in which we cannot lose our sense of humanity. isn't a case in which we cannot lose our sense of humanity . and lose our sense of humanity. and i think and i'm taking this away from the individual and please tweet , tweeting, but sometimes tweet, tweeting, but sometimes on social media, we can come across as really losing our sense human ity. and i think sense of human ity. and i think thatis sense of human ity. and i think that is where we all lose out in the public sphere. i other people lose their sense of humanity. i think people are trying to mix in that sense of humanity dash of realism. humanity with a dash of realism. i think that lot of i think that an awful lot of people in country , you people in this country, you know, of you see that. know, a lot of you can see that. right. get you're telling me right. and get you're telling me your many which are your earnings, many of which are not coming anywhere close to £32,000. and there is a huge sentiment out there that people perhaps have to learn to cut their cloth. and i would agree, actually, many people do actually, that many people do need learn to cut their cloth need to learn to cut their cloth a bit. but i'd push back a little bit. but i'd push back to you guys at home and ask you that. you put your cloth that. and if you put your cloth on everything possible you on everything possible and you still all struggling, what still all are struggling, what then? pve still all are struggling, what then? i've to then? you tell me. i've got to take break. when i come take a quick break. when i come back, i want to talk to you

about something that caught my eye today. as a woman in the world work, do you think world of work, do you think i should legally title should be legally in title to? i haven't disclosed to me my haven't disclosed to me what my male , my male male counterparts, my male colleagues, those people in the world and is it my world of work. and is it my business? i don't think so. what do tell me? and i'll see you.

in two. hello there . welcome back to hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co. with me, michelle dewbs& co. with me, michelle djibril alongside me emma burnell, the political alyssa burnett who is the former advisor to liz truss. we've just been talking, by the way, about what you can and cannot hold on to your ground a year. i'm always and always fascinated by this and i don't want to get into a bit more one of these days. what is a good salary in this country ? a good salary in this country? what do think is reasonable what do you think is reasonable to earn? at what point do you think once start going below

think once you start going below the , then really the threshold, then we've really got don't know. you got problems? i don't know. you tell thoughts. got problems? i don't know. you tell me your thoughts . £32,000 tell me your thoughts. £32,000 firefighters, them firefighters, many of them being forced banks. forced to use food banks. apparently, some people say that's lot of that's just ridiculous. lot of people saying it's a state of the nation, says michelle. what we need to lose is the sense entitlement. entitlement in this country. that's bryan's view that it really has divided you about this situation. many people are furious with what you've just said about the triple lock situation and pointing out that the triple lock is pensions that you've all paid into, francis says the triple lock was broken last yeah triple lock was broken last year. we only got a 3.2% rise. the triple lock only comes to play the triple lock only comes to play in april. pensioners have been missing out, says francis. lots. if you're getting in touch saying pensions and not benefits at all. their contribution is that you guys have made over your working lives right let's talk working life shall we. this whole gender pay gap, we go on and on about that way. let's cut to the should women have the

legal right to know what their colleagues paid this little survey perhaps females in the red walk constituencies 71% of them apparently these female said that they'd be more likely to vote for a party that introduced such a legally enforceable policy . esa it's enforceable policy. esa it's a really interesting survey . i can really interesting survey. i can really interesting survey. i can really understand why seven out of ten female voters would have said they want to know what their male colleagues are paid. that'd be really empowering . it that'd be really empowering. it would be really interesting to know transparency with know you that transparency with without and they would be able to go back into the rooms of their bosses then negotiating hands and you know hands strengthened and you know have all really negotiate harder for what they deserve . however for what they deserve. however it's just i'm not sure we're ready for this of scandinavian style society in which everyone knows how much everyone else earns. so to think it's almost like opening pandora's like you're opening a pandora's box you know, with box there of you know, with certain that be certain issues that would be entailed in that process. but then to say something constructive may, constructive on this, if i may, because wary of sounding because i'm wary of sounding like mansplaining on this like i'm so mansplaining on this issue, i'm aware there

issue, i'm aware that there are you help , you know, you can do to help, you know, democratise level the democratise things and level the playing field in the workplace. for it is shown in for so example, it is shown in evidence publish evidence that if you publish salary bans for jobs rather than have it as it's competitive to be, negotiate then you're really helping your you're breaking open the closed shop, the old boys club so you can do stuff like that. for example, you can also include in your job ads and also include in yourjob ads and it's proven in evidence and encourages women to apply if flexible involved flexible working is involved with those sort jobs. so with those sort of jobs. so there you could with those sort of jobs. so theibut you could with those sort of jobs. so theibut i'm you could with those sort of jobs. so theibut i'm not you could with those sort of jobs. so theibut i'm not sure you could with those sort of jobs. so theibut i'm not sure thisu could with those sort of jobs. so theibut i'm not sure this is:ould with those sort of jobs. so theibut i'm not sure this is thed do, but i'm not sure this is the one. emma i think everybody should and i wouldn't say just women should be entitled to know what earn, that vice what men earn, but that vice versa. i think sunshine is the best disinfectant understanding, pay, best disinfectant understanding, pay, transparency . it might be pay, transparency. it might be better maybe if we were to face this in by doing it through publishing patents, employing people at different band levels. that might be a way of introducing it in a way that doesn't cause a complete chaos because i think what would come out with that transparent ac would be quite shocking to many,

many people. and i do thinks the gender pay gap , i think it's gender pay gap, i think it's appalling and i think there are two issues to it. also, i would call it the sex pay gap, but that's because i'm not a big fan of gender, but i it's appalling about this. it's to be clear in the uk generally there's a 14.9% so—called gender pay gap . what so—called gender pay gap. what does that mean to you ? well, it does that mean to you? well, it means that in general, we tend to favour the kinds of work that women traditionally do and they are paid lower. and then equally there are penalties that people face for having children and that poor child bearing is similarly done by women and child care is still predominantly done by women. and so there are points in your career so quite often younger women are actually paid to certain equality, particularly when you're talking about more graduate level jobs , less so . graduate level jobs, less so. we're talking about the division

between traditionally male working class jobs and directly female working class jobs, but actually even at that graduate level, that falls away as women have to take time out of the workforce to have babies and then are usually the ones who will do the lion's share of the childcare for those children. now i don't want to see a system whereby women are penalised for their natural biology and their biological . and i don't want to biological. and i don't want to see a system whereby men are not an integral part of raising their children. and i think there must be a way of making there must be a way of making the system better and fairer at both parties . see, i've got to both parties. see, i've got to say, i find all this gender pay stuff a bit ridiculous . so when stuff a bit ridiculous. so when ihear stuff a bit ridiculous. so when i hear this statistic of what is this 40% pay rise , sorry, pay this 40% pay rise, sorry, pay gap between men and women , this gap between men and women, this country, i understand that as a woman i'm supposed to feel like you. i'm supposed to be. what did you say? despicable appalling. i know that i'm supposed to feel like that

because that is what i'm being told, i'm suppressed just told, that i'm suppressed just because a because i happen to have a vagina as opposed to a penis all these only knows. these days. goodness only knows. and debate. and that's the debate. but whatever. feel like whatever. i don't feel like that. don't think it is that. i don't think it is disgraceful. i think it's a stupid statistic that if anything, it best should only be used a conversation to used to start a conversation to reach a conclusion. it pays no attention to different roles. the amount of hours people work, what they've qualified in, what their background is. so i think that this is a is a huge blunt weapon that gets smashed around to try and make women feel like we are suppressed . no, i don't we are suppressed. no, i don't feel suppressed . i don't think feel suppressed. i don't think that's the case at all, michel. i think if anything, it is the start of a conversation about how we change the workforce , how we change the workforce, force the workplace to make sure that women have equal opportunities where really we opportunities to where really we do have equal options. we don't because we don't have we don't have a situation in which you will penalised for taking will not penalised for taking time for having children. time out, for having children. but to have time but if you're going to have time outs child, which is a outs to have a child, which is a personal choice , then course

personal choice, then of course your going to be your earnings are going to be impacted. a impacted. but we all as a society need women have children, of course. so why are we therefore making it less attractive for women to have children ? so if you and i both children? so if you and i both decide to have a child and we're both at the same point together, michel, it's too far away. have to making over here. sorry to the making over here. sorry this is. but i do. i just. this is. but i do. ijust. i feel like i need to push back against this constant notion that as a i'm somehow, you know, like restricted and suppressed is nonsense to me. i have a child, my earnings will perhaps be impacted because i work all the hours god sends because of my little boy. but nor do i want to. i'm happy to take a dent in my earnings to have this abuse to form gift of a child. and i think, well, why should that? you are also giving society should penalise you and not the partner that you felt that the child the father the child. what do you mean? well, presumably, if there's a pay gap between you and the father of your child , of and the father of your child, of you, equal parents ? well, first

you, equal parents? well, first and foremost, i don't buy this ridiculous notion that there is a pay gap ridiculous notion that there is a pay gap between me and my partner based purely on he earns this and i and it's i he's he's not had a career break i presume, but i don't buy this nofion presume, but i don't buy this notion of this gender pay gap, this 14.9% pointing to a flaw . this 14.9% pointing to a flaw. society is nonsense . you can't society is nonsense. you can't just take the earnings of esa and apply the earnings of me and declare that there is an that's not what it is. it's i mean, that's not how statistics works. this is a statistic taken across society and across the different levels pay for the whole of levels of pay for the whole of society which it's society, which is why it's nonsensical because do you nonsensical because why do you take ? man take this instrument? a man again, said in the again, as i said in the beginning, part of the problem is that division of traditional laboun is that division of traditional labour, the kinds of jobs that we see paid lower are the kinds ofjobs we see paid lower are the kinds of jobs that traditionally have been occupied and still are by women. you may so. yes yes. there's one that it's very much a blunt instrument. the gender pay gap. a blunt instrument. the gender pay gap. it's a conversation starter in many ways. but if you drill down, businesses are

obuged drill down, businesses are obliged to publish the gender pay obliged to publish the gender pay differentials. but only pay differentials. but they only help so in help so much so that in businesses you have big businesses you have big businesses . and so you take, businesses. and so if you take, let's say, big airlines, often it will. so a very stark gender pay gap. it will. so a very stark gender pay gap. but the equally that's more often than the story of more often than not the story of men are more likely to be pilots and women are more likely to be on crew and are paid on cabin crew and they are paid differently the sort differently. but due to the sort of the training that of skills, the training that these job requires as these job requires and as a result, because of the domination in specific professions like that, it looks like a real imbalance. like there's a real imbalance. so it's an example so i'm obviously it's an example in a small if broad trend of why that actually in a weird way i suppose you're arguing for transparency publishing everyone. absolutely. everyone. yes, absolutely. i don't think it should be just available to i think this available to women. i think this is that would be is something that would be helpful society to helpful to all of society to just bit more open about just be a bit more open about this sort thing. core what this sort of thing. core what are at home? would you want are you at home? would you want your being available ? your being publicly available? all within your all are available within your world of work. i wouldn't . i world of work. i wouldn't. i think what i am is nobody's business apart from my business and the person who is paying me

. if you think or anyone thinks i'm not paid enough and as is earning more than me, well, i need to pull on my big girl pants and learn to negotiate a little bit better to get myself a better deal . little bit better to get myself a better deal. i little bit better to get myself a better deal . i don't need to a better deal. i don't need to start. i'm one of the ways to negotiate is to know the terrain in which you are negotiating or is to simply have an innate sense of your value and what you're worth is and have the kahuna as to negotiate. but i a person it would never, ever equate wearing your gonads on the outside as bravery. but that's what we shall agree on. no. oh, i don't know, ladies and gents, if i can call it that. these days at home, what do you say to it? i just think that there is this whole notion in society all the time that everyone thinks they're everyone thinks that they're suppressed oppressed and suppressed and oppressed and whatever words are . i do whatever these words are. i do believe that you can have and do and be anything in your career if you make choices sometimes choices with an element of choices come with an element of compromise and sacrifice and thatis compromise and sacrifice and that is a healthy life . and if

that is a healthy life. and if you're someone that sits there and says all, i'm so restricted because i've had kids, well, get your partner pull their pants your partner to pull their pants off a little bit and share the parenting how about that? parenting then. how about that? how everything else, how come everything else, everything seems to be, but they should absolutely there. should absolutely do that there. we well there you go. we we agree. well there you go. we got the end, we got got there. in the end, we got there in end, the points of there in the end, the points of agreement. you tell how agreement. you tell me how interested whatever interested are you in whatever anyone else makes? quite frankly, i couldn't care less what other people make. it's own everyone each to their own and everyone is responsible . all staff, alan is responsible. all staff, alan say, should all sort of be balanced for all jobs, not just the females . chief says it's up the females. chief says it's up to an employer to pay someone what they think they worth . what they think they are worth. phil says, breeches and phil says, well, breeches and good money, nothing stopping women becoming bouquets . jun women becoming bouquets. jun says years ago . a list of says years ago. a list of everyone's salary came me by mistake. she pushed it onto the factory workforce . it brought factory workforce. it brought her a great deal of satisfaction. they give me your seven. i'll have a read, alan. trust me. but for now, nigel farage age is up next. nigel i will ask you what you think. are

you off the hook with that one? what have you got . thank you. what have you got. thank you. very spirited debate as ever. well i just can't believe it. i mean, we were told the government was going to test people coming in from china, given that covid's out of control there. now, we're told the tests are voluntary . and the tests are voluntary. and even if you test positive , you even if you test positive, you don't need to isolate yet . at don't need to isolate yet. at the same time , senior cabinet the same time, senior cabinet ministers are saying you've got to wear face masks in public , to wear face masks in public, you've got the sniffles. i'm debating tonight. are we getting this all very wrong? again but before all of that, let's get the all important weather hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office the rain that we've seen through the day continues overnight, but for many turns dry into wednesday, although it stays windy and that wind bringing very mild air for the time of year. wind bringing very mild air for the time of year . a the time of year. a southwesterly fetch . tightly southwesterly fetch. tightly packed, i suppose . all this packed, i suppose. all this warmth coming towards the uk,

even for northern where it has been cold during the last couple of days. temperatures are rising here now and some outbreaks . here now and some outbreaks. rain is spreading north as well. the rain and most persistent across central parts of scotland combined with snow melt, could cause issues and wet for cause more issues and wet for parts of wales that could also cause issues overnight . but the cause issues overnight. but the rain eases it pushes away. many places turning drier by the end of the night, but it stays windy and it stays very 12 celsius in the south, 5 to 8 across scotland and northern ireland into the start of wednesday clears from the southeast quick enough , but it still lingers enough, but it still lingers across northeast scotland for a time through the morning. otherwise it's showers for many more persistent rain, mostly confined to southern scotland , confined to southern scotland, north—west england. but brighter and drier weather compared with tuesday, at least for most. and it is mild 14 celsius in the south, 8 to 10 celsius in the northern half of the uk. sometime weather around the southwest towards the end of the afternoon and that will continue

for parts of cornwall into the evening and overnight. cloudy skies the south—west and skies towards the south—west and some cloud elsewhere. but generally speaking, the clearest some cloud elsewhere. but generall in; be in the east and the air will be in the east and the north and that's where the lowest temperatures will as lowest temperatures will be as we start thursday. but it's we start of thursday. but it's not going to be a cold start to the day, only slightly less mild compared morning. compared with wednesday morning. it's in the it's going to be bright in the east, the north, first thing, east, in the north, first thing, a touch of frost for northern scotland, but for the rest of the uk, cloudy skies and that cloud across all areas cloud spreads across all areas by afternoon, light by the afternoon, some light outbreaks and drizzle outbreaks of rain and drizzle for wales more for england. wales more persistent for persistent rain expected for scotland northern ireland scotland and northern ireland by the the day. and it's here the end the day. and it's here where it will turn increasingly windy well, with risk of windy as well, with the risk of gales overnight .