good evening . you can walk into good evening. you can walk into the country scot free china without testing. if you're british and you got the sniffles, you'd better put a mask on. that's the message coming today. i'll be asking, are we getting it all wrong? prince harry says want father prince harry says i want father and back. but does he and brother back. but does he deserve welcomed back into deserve to be welcomed back into the fold? we'll discuss and debate that. i'll give you some cold fingers. cold consumption figures were made. figures that were really made. you up and think i don't you sit up and think i don't talking pies. i'll be joined by charles wright, veteran journalist held big jobs at the sun and other newspapers, including being a royal reporter for many years . including being a royal reporter for many years. i'll including being a royal reporter for many years . i'll get including being a royal reporter for many years. i'll get his take on prince harry to all of that in just a moment. first, let's get the with karen armstrong . hello. i'm out. armstrong. hello. i'm out. armstrong. hello. i'm out. armstrong in the gb newsroom. rail passengers will face continue to disruption for the rest of the week because of a fresh round of strikes by the rmt union. roughly half of britain's railway lines are

closed with , only a fifth of closed with, only a fifth of services running . many places, services running. many places, including most of scotland and wales, have no trains running at all. the transport secretary mark harper, says the government has a very pay has offered a very fair pay offer , but the rmt maintains offer, but the rmt maintains there's been new proposal and is accusing the government of blocking an agreement to help . blocking an agreement to help. secretary is blaming the triple threat of covid flu and strep cases for the extra pressure being put on the nhs. steve barclay's comments come amid mounting concern over the winter crisis . with more than a dozen crisis. with more than a dozen nhs trusts and ambulance services declaring critical incidents over the festive penod. incidents over the festive period . medical experts say up period. medical experts say up to 500 people are dying each week as a result of delays in urgent . busby berkeley says the urgent. busby berkeley says the government has a plan to help free up beds , focusing the free up beds, focusing the funding on to the operations backlogs . example getting more backlogs. example getting more diagnostic hubs in place, getting the surgical hubs that were rolling out, getting the backlog from the pandemic

reduced. that's been the key priority . that's where we've priority. that's where we've surged additional funding . but surged additional funding. but we also recognise the big pressure that we're seeing play through in terms of ambulance handover is largely triggered by those who are fit to leave hospital, but delayed in doing so. and we need to feel that big capacity and that is often about having the right social care provision to do so linked to the uk from china will not have to quarantine if they test positive for covid on arrival. the government says the move will help collect information because beijing is government refusing , beijing is government refusing, is refusing to share its own coronavirus data. now, those flying to the uk from china will be required to show a negative covid test, though before boarding the plane . the prime boarding the plane. the prime minister says ukraine can count on the uk for ongoing long term support. rishi sunak held a call with president volodymyr zelenskyy this afternoon where he pledged to provide further

equipment in the coming weeks to ensure ukraine's victory on the battlefield. uk has recently delivered more than a thousand anti—air missiles in recent days.in anti—air missiles in recent days. in response to a renewed wave of russian attacks . and wave of russian attacks. and thousands of mourners have lined the streets to pay their final respects to . the brazilian respects to. the brazilian footballing legend pele . his footballing legend pele. his coffin has arrived at a private funeral. sasha after it was carried on a firetruck from the stadium of his former club . stadium of his former club. earlier up to 230,000 mourners, including the country's new president, paid their last respects, but he died last week at the age of 82 after battling colon cancer. tv online and dab plus radio . this is gb news now plus radio. this is gb news now is back to average . is back to average. good evening . well, i was one of

good evening. well, i was one of those voices urging the government saying, look, don't do what you did last time and just allow people to come in at will from china spreading covid and perhaps who knows? a new damaging variant and the government over new year said , government over new year said, yes, we will test people coming in from china. today we've learnt the truth. the tests are voluntary and even if you come in china and test positive , in china and test positive, there's no need to isolate at all. oh, and by the way, if a company from hong kong, there's no need to test in any way at all. hmm. i thought . i wonder all. hmm. ithought. iwonder what they're really up to. and yet at the same time, we've had cabinet ministers telling us, if you've got the sniffles and you're travelling on public transport, you'd better wear a mask. if you go into the office. you don't feel too good. you'd better wear a mask if you're at school. you better wear a mask . school. you better wear a mask. and i began to think, are we getting this all wrong again?

are we being very, very soft on covid coming into the country? but very harsh on those that live here . are we going back live here. are we going back down? a slippery authority , down? a slippery authority, aryan road? i don't know the answer to it. i'm going to debate this evening, but i want to ask you that question. you at home. that question watching and listening. do you think we could be getting this all wrong again ? let me know your thoughts. barrage at gb news dot uk . well, barrage at gb news dot uk. well, joining me to discuss this is dr. tina peers , gp and expert on dr. tina peers, gp and expert on long covid, which we haven't heard much about lately. but we'll come to tina. i make the point here that we're being very lax about people coming in and you're always seeing the first signs given that flu appears to be a major problem and perhaps it's lack of immunity. i'll get your on that. are we beginning to see the government gearing up to see the government gearing up to get tough with this again? i

think this shows how confused everybody is and how we haven't followed a scientific , ethical followed a scientific, ethical or morally correct direction from the beginning. boris johnson told us from the start, we will always the science. i know, but he didn't us whose science he was following . science he was following. because it wasn't the science that i was used to or many of colleagues were used to, or many scientists across the world could understand . so a lot of could understand. so a lot of what we did was illogical, totally illogical. i have patients who are telling me that they had a unusual virus in 2019. so it was already here by 2020. we had a lot of patients who , you know, in september had who, you know, in september had had various unusual flu like symptoms . so do we had various unusual flu like symptoms. so do we blame china for all of this? do we do we blame china for not telling us what this was all about? no, i don't think it's as simple as that. actually nigel, i think

that. actually nigel, i think that i think that we have overreacted to something that was completely treatable . so i'm was completely treatable. so i'm going to say a few things that might shock a few people. now and that we completely followed the wrong lines of policies . the wrong lines of policies. completely wrong. and by that, do you mean lockdown and yes, lockdown was completely nonsensical. it didn't make any sense at all. there were a whole load of things. i mean, this can take. how long you got? you take. how long have you got? you know much to unpick know we've got so much to unpick here. so first of all, the pcr test is not covid specific . test is not covid specific. kerry mullins developed . he said kerry mullins developed. he said it was never to be used to for test specific virus. you can find anything you like with a pcr test, so it's not covid specific . the sutton's different specific. the sutton's different labs set it at different cycles. i didn't know about that. yes, because i tested positive at a moment when i wanted to go on a

very important overseas trip . very important overseas trip. but then they tested again and i was negative and it was explaining reliability . yeah, explaining reliability. yeah, it's it shouldn't be set at more than 27 cycles. anything above 27 cycles, it's going be magnifying something so much it would be a false. so we were diagnosing false positives . the diagnosing false positives. the government set it up 40 to 45 cycles. so over 90% false positives. so you make that of what you what you know better what you what you know better what that means. but basically lockdowns that enormous health harm to the country. oh and then there was this ridiculous thing about asymptomatic spread. well, the w.h.0. about asymptomatic spread. well, the who. in june of 2020 said that that was there was that asymptomatic spread was absolutely insignificant it was so rare. and yet we making people stay at home who had a positive test that wasn't covid specific that was set to be very false positives when they were fit and healthy and could have gone to work. so the whole thing has very mismanaged, but

has been very mismanaged, but there's a huge there is a huge covid outbreak . if we believe covid outbreak. if we believe the tests be treated in china at the tests be treated in china at the moment. yeah. is that when we're seeing the first signs today of government beginning to tell us i mean, let let me put this to. if somebody has got the sniffles. yes. does it make sense? perhaps for them to wear a face mask on public transport? no, none whatsoever. there are over 100 studies that show that face masks don't work. they if you know those blue ones that everyone's . yeah, the cheap ones everyone's. yeah, the cheap ones there are cheaper that we wear in theatre when we are operations. so there a splash guard to stop the spit from the surgeon as he's talking to his colleagues, going into the patient. and also when you cut an and it's yeah, no, we an artery and it's yeah, no, we don't want to it's just it's a split guard. doesn't stop germs. holes in those are 600 microns. each hole is , 600 microns. and each hole is, 600 microns. and the virus is five. so what you're saying then is as we approach a winter weather is

going to be by the looks of it, yeah, a lot more flu and a lot more. covid your the government, if they're going down this route already , it sounds to me like already, it sounds to me like they've learnt nothing. exactly. it's a complete waste of time and money and gives people a false sense of. security, maybe. you people, if people are ill and have symptoms, they should stay home just like they did for many , many decades. if they had many, many decades. if they had flu, people didn't go out and that's the right thing . you're that's the right thing. you're too ill anyway to go up sick. stay home, and you are ill if you've got flu and you stay home and you get over it. but the important also for important thing also for everyone to realise is that covid is treatable and need to. instead of testing people , if instead of testing people, if anyone has symptoms, they need treatment straight there treatment straight away. there isn't single infectious isn't a single infectious disease where we say, let's wait until you're blue in the lips andifs until you're blue in the lips and it's really bad, and then we'll to hospital and treat you. there have been all over the world we have been treating acute covid very, very. are you

fearful? are you fearful we could head back down the wrong route? yes, very much so . very route? yes, very much so. very much so. i can't see any scientific reason for all the draconian measures that threw at us and instigated and ruined our economy, ruined people's mental health to say something . 25% of health to say something. 25% of all young girls age 13 to 15 are now self—harming . one third of now self—harming. one third of our young people have mental health and anxiety . small health and anxiety. small children have developmental because they need to see people's faces when they develop them. yeah yeah, yeah. and that's all been taken away from them. this is appalling what's happened. our society, we've got. we mustn't . we mustn't do got. we mustn't. we mustn't do it if we're told we mustn't talk to each other. we can't smile at each other. i have to stand far away. we can't hug each other complete nonsense for mysteriously did you notice fluid two years and the fluid for two years and the whole that doesn't happen. a lot of were saying was of what they were saying was covid flu but teen appears covid was flu but teen appears some people get seriously .

some people did get seriously. yes we covid my point is if they had been treated immediately then we would have brought those numbers. right. okay. but covid, you've specialised in treatment of long. yes. we had a lot of a lot of talk about long covid. we've nothing for months and months and months, national media many people say they media and many people say they can't go back to work. has that contributed number of contributed to the number of people are packed work? people that are packed out work? how problem now is? how serious a problem now is? long covid it it was it was a big problem it i do see a lot of patients long covid. it is a real condition in my experience they have often they are untreated and undiagnosed patients who have got a genetic predisposition to developing long covid. so they have undiagnosed, untreated muscle activation syndrome , which is activation syndrome, which is a condition where your muscles overreact to infections and then make you very inflamed in different systems , which give different systems, which give you lots and lots of symptoms from low blood pressure to tachycardia to rashes, insomnia

anxiety , chest problems, etc. anxiety, chest problems, etc. etc. so it is real . yeah, but it etc. so it is real. yeah, but it in my experience, it's predominantly coming out in patients who've got a genetic propensity to it and in those who are not treated immediately for acute covid. would you say it's a relatively small number of people. no, i don't think it's a small because 17% of the population have massive activations syndrome. and i'll be treating it effectively now. no no, not in the nhs. no okay. 19 appears on that. quite sobering thought. so for most of us, it's not a great problem for some it is. let's just hope government do not repeat the horrific mistakes that we made last time round. i hope and pray that if they even attempt to do that, we will stand up and, fight back. but last time we just did what we were told . in just did what we were told. in a moment, i'm going to tell you what years 2023 is consumption

for coal is going to be around the world and you'll begin to wonder why we're building all these wind turbines . wonder why we're building all these wind turbines. i promise you .

it's so in the light of the fact you can bring covid in from china quite freely and circulate around the united kingdom, whatever variant it may or may not be, and yet we're now being told if we have the told to wear if we have the sniffles. i asked you, is the government getting wrong as government getting this wrong as a strong response. this is a very strong response. this is coming from you. denise says, coming in from you. denise says, i'm having nothing to do with this i refuse comply. this nonsense. i refuse comply. tom says of it is necessary . tom says of it is necessary. adam says none of it is. need did. none of it makes a blind bit of difference. you cannot stop viruses . that was really stop viruses. that was really the point tina piers was making about those cheapo face masks

and the point she was making . and the point she was making. they make no difference at. chris says we definitely getting it wrong again . and why are the it wrong again. and why are the government being so stupid? we should take any action needed to reduce infections and deaths. and chris, i would add to that new variants as well . that's how new variants as well. that's how it seems to me. and finally , it seems to me. and finally, another viewer says it's all distraction tactics . the distraction tactics. the government are manufacturing headunes government are manufacturing headlines to hide how inept they are with all the other issues in this country, illegal, are with all the other issues in this country, illegal , the nhs this country, illegal, the nhs train strikes, etc, to name but a few . now one train strikes, etc, to name but a few. now one of train strikes, etc, to name but a few . now one of the themes a few. now one of the themes that this show was consistent the rail is to try to tell you the rail is to try to tell you the truth about consumption and energy prices. well try this for size . we at the moment don't size. we at the moment don't produce any in this country. we have to import several million

tonnes every year. there is the possibility of a new coal mine opening up in cumbria, which has been met with howls protest by so many and of course boris johnson when prime minister promised us that the end of coal was in sight . well, boris was in sight. well, boris johnson, i know that he was advising him because the truth in 2023 across this planet we projected to burn. wait for it. 8 billion tonnes of coal , a new 8 billion tonnes of coal, a new all time record and countries malaysia, china and india are burning vast quantities of coal. one of two in europe are beginning to change their minds too. well andrew montford from net zero watch joins me down the line andrew. good evening and welcome . welcome to the program welcome. welcome to the program . it's a very, very important, you know, debates and arguments here . i saw a

you know, debates and arguments here. i saw a big you know, debates and arguments here . i saw a big piece you know, debates and arguments here. i saw a big piece on you know, debates and arguments here . i saw a big piece on sky here. i saw a big piece on sky news 9th of december and the great boast was that 40% of our energy and 2022 was general, said by by wind , by biomass and said by by wind, by biomass and by solar. so my question to is very simple. if sky news right and renewables are so good, why is the world burning more coal now than it's ever done before ? now than it's ever done before? well, i think the main thrust of the answer to that has to be that most of the world can't afford renewables , which are afford renewables, which are extremely expensive. it is essentially if you're if you're putting in renewables, you're essentially virtue signalling . essentially virtue signalling. this is not a serious way to deliver electricity. it deliver some electricity , but at a very some electricity, but at a very high expense . and of course, as high expense. and of course, as we all know, the wind doesn't blow all the time and the sun

doesn't shine apart from know dunng doesn't shine apart from know during the summer, during the daytime . so poorer countries, daytime. so poorer countries, china and india, they are making token gestures towards , token gestures towards, renewables. but in reality, they concentrating on coal . coal is concentrating on coal. coal is cheap and reliable. gas of course, is better . it cheap and reliable. gas of course, is better. it produces fewer co2 emissions and it's cheapen fewer co2 emissions and it's cheaper. but it does have issues with supply. obviously, at the moment . you know, we all know moment. you know, we all know with the ukraine war that the supply of gas has been been cut considerably. and so people are finding it hard to get their hands on gas. now, coal, of course, is much more much easier to get your hands on, although it is more expensive to burn it, does have the great advantage that you can store it you can just pile up coal outside your power station and if time if time get times get hard, if mr. putin decides to invade somebody, you've got a reserve

of energy there. yeah. that makes sense. now this is the problem we're in now , of course, problem we're in now, of course, because we have very little gas storage. so, yeah , coal in storage. so, yeah, coal in quantity. we only have a couple of coal fired, coal fired power stations. then the problem would be considerably reduced. but we have got now one country, andrew . one country andrew. that is now rethinking all of this is , now rethinking all of this is, of course, germany, who perhaps donald trump's words to them at the un five years ago are beginning have some resonance because i understand and that they're actually going to be raising into the ground a village in to build a new coal mine. it strikes that when it really comes to it, the germans always go for national self—interest . absolutely. i self—interest. absolutely. i mean , the other side of that mean, the other side of that story is apparently they are also in the process of a wind farm to the ground to get at the coal underneath it, which i think is kind of ironic for a

country that has made so much about about going for wind power. but yeah, when push comes to shove, when mr. putin cuts your supply of gas, you try and build more wind because more wind farms isn't going to help you all the time . going to help you all the time. going to help you all the time. going to help you some of the time at best what you do is you go for reliable forms of energy. that means coal and yeah, there's really nothing else . so yeah, really nothing else. so yeah, they are going to go for coal big time they've they brought a load of coal fired power stations out of out of it been mothballed essentially and have been able to bring them back into production in double quick time that it was an extraordinary turnaround with very well done. we can't do that here alok sharma decided here because alok sharma decided our mothballed plants , coal our mothballed plants, coal fired power stations were going to be up. so they have been destroyed. with the result, we're left with very little coal fired capacity all and what there is left is supposed to close next. so next winter is going to be really interesting. we've got away with it this

yeah we've got away with it this year. yeah, we lucky. yeah, yeah yeah we had a cold snap but most of december was relatively mild. january has been mild so far and looks like it's going to stay mild for bit longer. so we've got away with it. we get a cold winter, we're in real trouble. andrew moffat, thank you very much indeed forjoining us. you made fundamental mistake , made one fundamental mistake, though, i'm afraid, in what you said. alok sharma , wash said. you said alok sharma, wash your mouth out with and water. he is now sir alok sharma . yes, he is now sir alok sharma. yes, he'd be 90. it's a bloke . yes, he'd be 90. it's a bloke. yes, he's been knighted for blowing up the coal fired power stations . you forjoining me and happy birthday. gratitude back. she's 20 today. i'd love to know what you think about the fact that now 8 billion tonnes of coal will be burnt in the world in 2023. in a moment, let's discuss harry's latest salvo is against his own . he says, i want my his own. he says, i want my father and brother back . does he father and brother back. does he deserve to come back ? i'm not so

deserve to come back? i'm not so sure he does. in fact, i'm one of those that thinks his ought to be removed. all of that in a couple of minutes sunday's gb newsroom 930. it's camilla tominey for a politics show with personality. then at 11, michael portillo for topical discussion debate , some ethical dilemmas debate, some ethical dilemmas and sometimes even a sentence of the ridiculous and i want pm me alastair stewart every sunday on the people's channel. britain's news .

channel it's on ending yes it's prince latest salvo the book spare is out next week. he's had a couple of very big interviews and we've got some sort of pre clips of it

. this is what he had to say to cooper on american television. it'll be shown this sunday evening . one of the criticisms evening. one of the criticisms that you've received is that, well, okay, fine you want to move to california, you want to step back from the institutional role. why be so public? you say you tried to do this privately , you tried to do this privately, and every single time i've tried to do it privately, there have been briefings and meetings and planting of stories against. me and my wife, you know, the family is never complain, never explain . but it's just a motto explain. but it's just a motto and it doesn't really hold a lot of complaining and a lot of explaining and it's being done in through leaks through leaks. they will feed or have a conversation with the correspondent and that correspondent and that correspondent will literally be spoon fed information and write the story and the bottom of it. they will say that they've reached out to buckingham palace for comment, but the whole story is buckingham palace commenting . being told for

. so when we're being told for the years we can't put the last six years we can't put a statement you, but a statement to protect you, but you it for other members of the family that a point family, that becomes a point when silence is betrayal . there when silence is betrayal. there we are . he's got a good pr guy, we are. he's got a good pr guy, isn't he was said of the royal family. they all seem to have very good pr guys now. i think the royal family have a terrible pr over this, but that's a different that's a different debate. think point is debate. i think the point is this narinder kaur you know, thank for joining i this narinder kaur you know, thank forjoining i know thank you forjoining me. i know that all you have been that you all you have been support of harry out of meghan. yes. but to contrast only go on international media to be abusive about your brother, his wife , your father to do this wife, your father to do this again and again and again and to claim i don't and to claim that you have to do it in public because they won't listen in private. let's face it, he's doing it for the money, isn't it? well what's wrong if they're

doing it for the money? they've got bills to pay. there's nothing wrong with that. we need it. makes money from harry. and meghan, shouldn't make meghan, why shouldn't they make their got bills their money? they've got bills they're from italy they're not spending from italy morally. make morally. not morally. make him money your family. money slugging your own family. well, slagging a well, no, because i'm slagging a country king george country i know king george slagging own children, slagging off her own children, prince or doing prince william, or doing underhand story of underhand. this is a story of betrayal prince oh, absolutely. he runs away . he has been very he runs away. he has been very naughty. the betrayal is from prince william. the betrayal was that harry walked away . he was that harry walked away. he was born to a life of privilege , but born to a life of privilege, but a life of duty as well . he was a life of duty as well. he was and he did. he walked away from hate because he walked away from that. tell why he walked away because it took marriage, a biracial woman for him to realise how racist the institution was. and thought institution was. and he thought , “0, institution was. and he thought , no, you can you see . so nigel , no, you can you see. so nigel , can you deny the racism? how just how very simple. i think had an absolute fairy tale wedding. i think the country took to them in the early months

as she toured in brixton and wherever else it was she did a great job the tabloid media everyone was behind them. they shouted when they chose go to the other side of the world. no but. but why? because they were being bullied. there were constant being. yes. you may see the country took to them, but actually the minute a biracial was in, it's such a violent as white and white spaces . as soon white and white spaces. as soon as meghan wasn't the person you wanted it to be. and it's strong black woman was it people? most people and they went in for the dark. i don't think people didn't even regard it as black. when she first came with a biracial woman, they did that, by the way. but by the way whatever's been said about meghan right herself, right. well, a well, i'm picture of a chimpanzee when all she was born. horrible things get born. yeah horrible things get said public figures. said about all public figures. all however point is all right. however point is this. i'm beginning to wonder where the media commentate is, myself included, have spent too much time talking about meghan

and not enough time talking about harry. harry that has betrayed his own family. now his claim in his defence, at every twist and turn of this, his is that the palace have been continually leaking stories to the press. so there is lying. there's no evidence of it. oh is evidence. it's on the documentaries . if you watch it, documentaries. if you watch it, there is evidence . they blank there is evidence. they blank out the names. but so you said harry, who sued this country for ten years, three to good for good and he's now suddenly a liar how was he suddenly lie? why don't you like his narrative? why the british pubuc narrative? why the british public want to hear ? actually, public want to hear? actually, my wife. sorry and bullying don't you want to hear from me or when your grandfather is on his deathbed. oh, what? you know , and you know he's got days to live and you still go through with the oprah winfrey interview what you make the last two years of a grandmother's life incredibly , because you're incredibly, because you're continually trying . what about continually trying. what about meghan and how is that was incredibly difficult. they were being thrown, as meghan said,

not thrown fed stories with tapes. really why policy tapes. you really why policy being was the motivation shall i tell you prince william and prince and kate middleton jealousy . meghan and harry was jealousy. meghan and harry was so popular and i think it was jealousy and prince charles king told the crowd why is it why he hasn't spoken to his son? why hasn't spoken to his son? why hasn't he protected son? what actually will come more relevant? more relevantly , why relevant? more relevantly, why hasn't he taken his son's title away? their title to the can't be taken away. i would take it to parliament. you can't watch any something the british public i mean you know harry and meghan's popular charity in this country has gone from stratospherically high to i mean, only prince andrew is below them. i mean, there are reasons. reasons for that. but but their popularity is very dead. we're still talking about them very . very you can take them very. very you can take their titles off the will still stay relevant no matter what you do they will stay relevant. i think not sure they think people i'm not sure they will so we're going to will they are. so we're going to get bored them. i know you get bored with them. i know you

will get bored and they will not get bored and they would have been great for this country. i think sad, but country. i think the. sad, but why they walk away? because why did they walk away? because they being protected. they were being protected. pictures grandson, pictures king told em. grandson, there of there was a picture of chimpanzee. silent. chimpanzee. he stayed silent. simon not golden sometimes simon does not golden sometimes this the monarchy needs to speak out against racism . they didn't out against racism. they didn't this institution, this institution racist institutions the creation of the monarchy? yes has probably done more for black and asian countries . i black and asian countries. i would say in the last three quarters of a century they colonised many other than any other organised institution group of people. explain to me how the history of the world and history of the world educate me. then the queen took up the commonwealth, which was a which was a baby organised and used. they tried to change to try to turn it into a force for good all over the world. and you know what? she did a hell of a good job. but look what she did in

india. look what they did in india. look what they did in india. they pillaged. they i told i said i said to you told you. i said i said to you that over the last 75 years, the british monarchy has done more for black and asian than for black and asian people than any other of people in any other group of people in history they haven't. is history they haven't. that is not and i will on not well. you and i will on that. but we will disagree on that. but we will disagree on that. but we will disagree on that. but i am pleased that you cover made the argument for harry and meghan i don't agree with you but i think it's important for our viewers and listeners. but at the minute with , british media, it's all on with, british media, it's all on sided debate and we need have a little bit more balance in all of our debates and all of our arguments, even if we disagree and andrew and i often disagree but we do it in a reasonably simple yeah i actually like you it's hard to disagree it's hard for me to disagree with you and do educate me. but i want you to like how you make it. and i actually think, can they be forgiven? can we bring back i, i think you know what ? the only think you know what? the only way you get reconciliation is when peace breaks out and peace cannot break out all the while,

they're firing artillery shells. we after week after week, if they stop doing that, we might get reconciliation . anyway, i've get reconciliation. anyway, i've got to get him a break. but in a moment, i'm going to be joined by charles ray, a real veteran , by charles ray, a real veteran, absolute of fleet absolute veteran of fleet street, with a roll for many, many years . street, with a roll for many, many years. he's going to be coming on talking pies. me in just a moment. sundays on gb news from 930, it's camilla tominey for a politics show with personality . then at 11, michael personality. then at 11, michael portillo for topical discussion debate , some ethical dilemmas debate, some ethical dilemmas and sometimes even a sense of the ridiculous and at one p me i will ask you in every sunday on gb news the people's channel britain's news .

channel it's channel nsma channel it's that time of the day it's time for talking pints. my guest today is charles ray, veteran. no, i can use that word contact veteran to all he he know last commentator , industrial commentator, industrial correspondent raw reporter you've done it all. welcome to the show . cheers. all the best. the show. cheers. all the best. good to see it. now 50 years in journalism . yeah. would do it journalism. yeah. would do it all again . yes, i would . i'm all again. yes, i would. i'm doubtful if would do it again under the system. you know, the way things are at the moment in newspapers , it's a dying newspapers, it's a dying industry circulations at all the media. i mean when i worked for the sun, we were 4.8 million a day. that's going into practically every home in the uk . i think it's now to down under a million, which is, yeah, a bit sad but there's online journalism that is absolutely but some of it online and i'm not just talking about the sun

i'm talking about other papers as . well, the quality of the as. well, the quality of the stuff that they put online is i think can be very poor. i mean, this age is missing. court case locations missing sometimes , not locations missing sometimes, not even a verdict on someone been convicted of , something so which convicted of, something so which may mean there are good opportunities , bright young opportunities, bright young journalists who want to get it right. yes, i would hope so. i mean, the sun itself has got a scheme where they bring in, you know, young talent and train them up. they send them out to them up. they send them out to the local papers. they send them out to pr and, then they come back into the family and they have a good grounding and very, very supportive , you know, of very supportive, you know, of that system for them rather than just taking someone from who's got a university graduate degree of some sort. i mean, i'm nothing to do with journalism . nothing to do with journalism. and yeah, i'm not in that bad,

but not as good as the ones who get real training. they knew what you were up through the local newspapers and sadly there are fewer. sure local newspapers .then are fewer. sure local newspapers . then there's still some around out there and spotted looking out there and i spotted looking up on the wolverhampton express staff . yeah, a newspaper that staff. yeah, a newspaper that i know very well from my years in politics and it was kind of when you were there, charles, that you were there, charles, that you got your big break wasn't it? it was, yeah, it was. during the kidnapping of the eighties, lesley will whistle in staffordshire and coincidentally at the same time there was a series of post office robberies by a guy mask, gun, the whole lot and i think he was the black panther because of these these robberies . and i had a phone robberies. and i had a phone call one day. we used to cover various areas. in my little area was bilston , which is about was bilston, which is about three or four miles away from national wolverhampton. so i had to go there at least twice a week and of course i ended up

seeing a few coppers in the days where you can still speak to coppers, you could play cards, coppers, you could play cards, coppers, you could take them for a drink and no one jumped up and down about it. and i had a very, very good contact there. and he rang up. the one day and rang me up. the one day and said, we just had a car and into a yard. i said, oh yeah . he a yard. i said, oh yeah. he said, it's the car that's been used in the post office robberies. i said, oh, right okay. he said, but not only that , they think it's linked to the kidnap being of lesley whistle . kidnap being of lesley whistle. but my second word was this was the famous black pants. this was the famous black pants. this was the famous black pants. this was the famous black panther. yeah. who who had been involved in all this and i went back, i wrote the story , he gave it to mine. the story, he gave it to mine. use it as he said, oh, this is this is this is no confirmation from the police. because they were trying keep everything under their watch. bob bush, i think, was the chief superintended at that time, and he'd for a lot of he'd come in for a lot of criticism. so no comment from anyone. criticism. so no comment from

anyone . and i got the splash it anyone. and i got the splash it obviously and every day because wasn't confirmed until a week later and every day my news editor would come in and is his actions would be more ferocious than the day before. i hope you're right culminating and if you're right culminating and if you're not right, i'm putting you're not right, i'm putting you on the train back to glasgow, michelle and i'm pulling up hadrian's wall and i started to do it myself and kept bringing my contacts in. are you sure? oh, yeah, yeah. it's definite. there's no question about it. forensics are all over it. they've got the links. there's no about that. seven days later, official know you were right and when you look at that, charles, is that a case of making your own luck in? i think partially making your own luck in life is the old fashioned way of . there's no in life is the old fashioned way of. there's no point in life is the old fashioned way of . there's no point sitting in life is the old fashioned way of. there's no point sitting in an office in front of a typewriter and doing everything on the phone . you've got to meet on the phone. you've got to meet people. you've got to take them

out . you've got to get to know out. you've got to get to know people. you've got to get to the police to find. and we used to have to go round the police stations, the fire station and the ambulance crews with bottles of whisky talking. you must try to do that in this day and age and be able to for some good or whatever. but it was mutual whatever. but it was a mutual the principle was right though is. yeah i this is. yeah because i mean this work from stuff. yeah mean work from home stuff. yeah mean there's term in there's no long term future in that for young people whatever walk of life there and i've got to meet you have got to to meet people you have got to meet mean, i remember meet people i mean, i remember when was in scotland on the when i was in in scotland on the west. it was so long ago west. lothian it was so long ago they still had adverts the they still had adverts on the front page and we used to have to get a bus out to a housing estate about four or five miles away from bathgate and go and see the local gossip. and she would give you everything that was going on. oh jessie's been doing this. she's having cakes. and you have your notebooks with all this stuff. but it sold help to sell papers and met people. and it's a great thing to just

meet different people from different walks of life. so nigel, you know as well as i do, you're never going to get on with everybody. no but you're going to make an impact with the people you do. that's what i mean about making your own luck. yeah, it was a big story for a lot of young people out there, you know, just being stuck to a computer or you've got to get out meet people that you get out and meet people that you get your from, that you your big break from, that you come london before you come to london and before you know you're being poached by know it, you're being poached by kelvin yes. as the kelvin mackenzie. yes. as the industrial . it's really industrial reporter. it's really interesting this because for the last 25 years, industrial has been a very, very junior position. but this was a big deal position. but this was a big deal. there was was going to be one of the three industrial reporters. one of the others had moved to i'd moved to the mail. so i was going to be filling for them. and kelvin just rang me up them. and kelvin just rang me up the one day and said, right, i want you over here, come and work for the real. and that was that was fine and you're absolutely those were the days

where most of the newspapers had more than one person doing industry on a pulp paper like the sun , that was usually two or the sun, that was usually two or three. and we cover davison on the heavy papers like financial times and the times they had maybe six or seven with different specialisations . but different specialisations. but it was a great time in the because you where it's like royal reporting you know i did wrote about it that was the one of the key things that you had to do. there's always been row reporting politics. and in those days, industry or labour news and we did all we went onto so many picket lines. i mean , many picket lines. i mean, governments fell, didn't they? governments fell into fell. thatcher had a fight to the end with with scargill . and when she with with scargill. and when she won she won not won, but she ended up you know, getting turned over at the by the party but with with the industry as well you met all sorts various heads of the unions people like

knapp, moss, evans , len mudie, knapp, moss, evans, len mudie, who was at tuc . and they always who was at tuc. and they always made the pretence of , oh, it's made the pretence of, oh, it's the sun. we're not going to talk to you but you. they would talk to you but you. they would talk to you. i mean, i remember sitting in a room in blackpool at a conference with, people at mccarthy, you know and the mick mccarthy, you know and the communist , mick mccarthy, you know and the communist, but he was, we had a common thing. we both scottish so mean. i don't know if that helped or hindered i wasn't sure but at they were the one thing they all realised there's not much point in just telling the times and the financial times what going on because that's the bosses. what going on because that's the bosses . you had to tell the sun bosses. you had to tell the sun the mirror and the daily star because that's the last of the papers. the lads and the daily mail, of course. well, maybe correspondent could be back as a big deal . well, it could be big deal. well, it could be because the way are going at the moment, there is a lot of ammunition out there to do a proper job ammunition out there to do a properjob of industry. i i think some of the political boys

are, you know, taking on that on role. but you know, industry , i role. but you know, industry, i think this year is going to be a mouth strikes and everything else are going to be a big news topic . no, i do, too. and of topic. no, i do, too. and of course, we're all for all those years. what do you think of prince harry? not very much , to prince harry? not very much, to be perfectly honest . i still be perfectly honest. i still think this is a guy who decided leave the royal family, which is , you know, he wanted leave to get away from the media spotlight . but. well, it's not spotlight. but. well, it's not it's not it's not comical. he's not it very well . i mean, what not it very well. i mean, what he has he got $100 million. oh yeah. okay. just $100 million for trashing his own family. yeah. you know, for accusing his father of lying . that father of lying. that documentary of accusing his brother of shouting and screaming . and he's now doing screaming. and he's now doing a new tv document to the tv saying he wants his brother father. but it was a funny way of doing it, you know, of trashing them and his boots coming a week . a week

his boots coming a week. a week today. his boots coming a week. a week today . fact i know it today. fact i know it a difficult, difficult thing for them to do. i don't know when it's going to end . i think the it's going to end. i think the royal family are right to stay. they'll keep inviting them. and this the point. you know he this is the point. you know he did oprah winfrey with meghan. they invited to jubilee they got invited to the jubilee . obviously, invited to . obviously, they got invited to the funeral. you the queen's funeral. as you would was the would expect. he was the grandson. he get invited to grandson. he will get invited to the coronation, but i'll be interested , see turns up interested, see if he turns up because the coronations on the same archie's fourth. but same day is archie's fourth. but they're not going to stay with archie. i think it'd be brutal. i didn't know that. you i didn't know that. yeah you see, right? a see, charles, right? once a journalist. always. is great journalist. always. it is great to have you until 3:00. it's . to have you until 3:00. it's. okay. quick time . the barrage. okay. quick time. the barrage. the barrage. mike asks dear nigel with the nhs apart, do you think we are moving naturally by choice towards a system ? private choice towards a system? private health care? mike those that can

afford it all. moving to private health care very very rapidly indeed, especially fully gp consultations. they cost . it consultations. they cost. it depends where we are in the country. 70 quid, 75 quid, 80 quid. but you know what i know in essex there are private gp surgeries that are open 24 hours a day. charles the nhs we've never been able to discuss it. it's it of the envy of world. let's all clap. is it time to sort of rethink the nhs? oh, absolutely there is no question. |, absolutely there is no question. i, my wife, what in the nhs for 25 years she was a to secretary a cancelled a cancer doctor. i mean she was always complaining about how many managers there were in various departments rather than the, the, the workers, the nurses, the doctors , the porters, you know, the never enough. but i think it's getting much, much worse now. and i think we really do need a shake up of the nhs i think until we can admit it's broken , until we can admit it's broken, we can't mend it. that's my going to a tie. for one more grab ask nigel if you could

reconfigure the house lords . how reconfigure the house lords. how would you do it without costing taxpayer more than it? costa rica figure i get of them. i think the whole thing's a joke. i mean, you may have been critical of hereditary, but now it's full of hundreds of players mates, of cameron's mates of bofis mates, of cameron's mates of boris , his mates. it's a boris, his mates. it's a complete and utter joke. they're complete and utterjoke. they're on representative. they're all nearly liberals. crikey talking about the liberal party themselves, the lib dems are going to have repairs. it's got to go. it doesn't work . it's to go. it doesn't work. it's oven to go. it doesn't work. it's over. it's finished. just got me all excited. i run out of time. i'll be back with you tomorrow night . 7:00. but right now going night. 7:00. but right now going to hand drive to patrick. yes, indeed. nigel what a way to finish. what a show that that right. okay, i've got loads coming your way. i think it's time for . coming your way. i think it's time for. local referendums on margaret of hotels. i'm about to lay back some shocking figures about what costing the about what is costing the taxpayer in just one area. the pubuc taxpayer in just one area. the public a right to know public have a right to know exactly what it's them exactly what it's costing them on a to vote on whether or

on a right to vote on whether or not want them in their on a right to vote on whether or not if want them in their on a right to vote on whether or not if you nt them in their on a right to vote on whether or not if you do, 1em in their on a right to vote on whether or not if you do, that's their on a right to vote on whether or not if you do, that's fine.�* area. if you do, that's fine. you can for it. if you don't you can pay for it. if you don't shouldn't to bear the brunt shouldn't have to bear the brunt of of that your way. of all of that coming your way. i'm much more in a retro i'm much, much more in a retro ring show state shade. hello again. it's aidan even again. it's aidan magee. even here the met office, the here from the met office, the rain that we've seen through the day but for it day continues. but for many it turns wednesday, although day continues. but for many it tustays wednesday, although day continues. but for many it tustays wecandiay, although day continues. but for many it tustays wecand thatilthough day continues. but for many it tu stays wec and that wind gh it stays windy and that wind bringing very mild air for the time year . southwesterly time of year. a southwesterly fetch , tightly packed, i suppose fetch, tightly packed, i suppose all this warm coming towards the uk, even for northern where it has been cold during the last couple of days. temperatures are rising here now and some outbreaks of rain are spreading north as well. the rain heaviest and most persistent across central parts scotland, central parts of scotland, combined with melt, could cause more issues wet for parts of more issues and wet for parts of wales that could also cause issues overnight. but rain eases, it pushes away many places turning drier by the end of the night. but it stays windy and it stays very mild. 12 celsius in the south, 5 to 8 across scotland and, northern ireland into the start of

wednesday. rain clears from the southeast quick enough . it still southeast quick enough. it still lingers across northeast scotland a time through the morning. otherwise it's showers for many more persistent rain, mostly confined to southern scotland , north—west england. scotland, north—west england. but brighter and drier weather compared with tuesday, at least for most and it is mild 14 celsius in the south, 8 to 10 celsius in the south, 8 to 10 celsius in the northern half of the uk sometime weather around the uk sometime weather around the southwest towards the end of the southwest towards the end of the afternoon that will continue for parts of cornwall into the evening and overnight cloudy skies towards the southwest , skies towards the southwest, some cloud elsewhere, but generally speaking, the clearest air will be the east and the north and. that's where the lowest temperatures will be as we thursday. but it's we start of thursday. but it's not going to be a cold start to the day. only slightly less mild compared with wednesday morning. it's bright in the it's going to be bright in the east. the north, first thing, east. in the north, first thing, a touch of frost for northern scotland, but the of scotland, but for the rest of the uk, cloudy skies that the uk, cloudy skies and that cloud across areas. cloud spreads across all areas. by cloud spreads across all areas. by light by the afternoon, some light outbreaks rain in. brazil for outbreaks of rain in. brazil for england. persistent

england. wales more persistent rain expected scotland and rain expected for scotland and northern ireland by the end of the day. and here where it will turn increasingly windy as well, with of gales in places with the risk of gales in places overnight .

may well come along to edition of the mark steyn show. we have a stellar line—up of stories and for you today. so as ever you want to miss it. tonight we'll be taking deep dive into how local taxpayers are left picking up the extortionate costs the up the extortionate costs at the expense broken and asylum expense of our broken and asylum system. i am calling for local referendums on migrant hotels. i'll be speaking to windsor and maidenhead councillor stuart carroll about his local area carroll about how his local area has got to find million pounds to soak up costs incurred by the asylum programme and according

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