hello there. it's 6:00 on michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co, the show where we'll get into the things that have got you talking. and i'll tell you what, got you talking on monday. did you watch my show? you remember asking you new you remember me asking you new here what would be here and you start what would be your five priority choices for this country were richard this country if you were richard sunak well, i reckon someone was watching rishi sunak's watching because rishi sunak's been sharing his five been out today sharing his five point with the nation . did point plan with the nation. did you h? point plan with the nation. did you it? it had a lot of

you see it? it had a lot of stuff in there about cutting nhs waiting list, halving inflation , reducing debt and , reducing the national debt and of course stopping boats . of course stopping the boats. but what did you think? so it doesit but what did you think? so it does it sound about right? was it missing anything? and do you reckon can any of it reckon he can achieve any of it at and another thing that at all? and another thing that caught my eye that he's been talking about a lot is that he thinks we all need to be better at maths. how is he going to achieve that? well, basically making mandate maths making it mandate to study maths up to the age of 18. a chuckle a little bit because i mean, it was hard enough to get me to study until the age of study maths until the age of about 16, never mind anything else. about you? are in else. what about you? are you in the that actually should the count that actually should be it's overdue? be essential and it's overdue? or think it's little or do you think it's a little bit ludicrous? want your bit ludicrous? i want your thoughts that. and we voted , thoughts on that. and we voted, didn't we? brexit referendum didn't we? the brexit referendum years and and years ago years and years and years ago now . but there an years and years and years ago now. but there an almighty now. but there is an almighty row brewing. so it seems about what to do with the laws that remain from the time of us and eu. what should we do with them? should they just be this mass bonfire with a deadline of the

end of this year? or is that a little bit too rushed? what do you think to that? and an mp has been talking to us here at gb news and she says that she was a stop fest when she goes to meet her . what do you her constituents. what do you think tonight? is it just a sign of times or is it a sign of of the times or is it a sign of a country that's got something vastly wrong? i want your thoughts all of that. but thoughts on all of that. but before into it, let's before we get into it, let's bnng before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up speed. bring ourselves up to speed. what's latest what's tonight's latest headunes. what's tonight's latest headlines . michelle thank you. headlines. michelle thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom the prime minister has outlined five key promises setting out his government's priorities . speaking setting out his government's priorities. speaking in east london , she sunak issued london, she sunak issued a series of pledges, including promising to halve inflation to tackle the rising cost of living . growing the economy by pledging to create more opportunities across the country. reducing the national debt which he says will secure the future of public services.

cutting nhs waiting lists to ensure people can get care quicker. and stopping the small boats. ensuring people are detained and swiftly removed from the country . while while from the country. while while the deputy labour leader angela rayner responded, saying he's too weak to stand up to his party. all vested interests. the prime minister said his government had already made steps towards improving the country. since i became prime minister we've made progress , minister we've made progress, stabilise the economy and people's mortgage rates, provide £26 billion of support for the cost of living, invested billions more in schools, the nhs and social care deepen ties with allies around the world on everything from to ukraine our collective economic security continued our unwavering support for the armed forces and their efforts to keep us safe and set out a concrete plan to stop the boats and tackle the unfair menace of illegal migration . but menace of illegal migration. but of course , we need to do more.

of course, we need to do more. the royal college of nursing has responded to the prime minister's comments about the pressures facing the nhs , saying pressures facing the nhs, saying they're detached from reality . they're detached from reality. the rcn say the pressures being faced are far more ordinary than winter pressures. it comes after the health secretary blamed a surge of flu cases. covid and strep a concerns for pressures the nhs faced over christmas . the nhs faced over christmas. now the prime minister also touched on the ongoing rail strike, saying his government's dooris strike, saying his government's door is always open for dialogue with unions. it comes on the second day of the first of 248 hour strikes by rail workers with over 40,000 red team members walking off the job, overpaid jobs and conditions. train drivers and the aslef union will strike tomorrow , union will strike tomorrow, followed by a second 48 hour rmt strike on friday. while rmt boss, mick lynch told gb news, the union wants a sensible

agreement that everyone can support. messages that we do apologise for the inconvenience and we are working towards getting a solution . but there getting a solution. but there are a lot of people that are frustrated. we've got the health workers, education workers, firefighters are all getting the same from the same treatment from the government. to want government. so they seem to want to extend the agony not give to extend the agony and not give people square deal. all we people a square deal. all we want is square deal for our want is a square deal for our members then create members and then we can create a settlement. what concerns have been raised over a lack of basic cold and flu medications at britain's pharmacies ? the britain's pharmacies? the association of independent multiple pharmacies is warning its members are running out of products such as throat lozenges and cough mixtures. they say the problems arise from a lack of planning by officials at the department of health . super department of health. super market, sainsbury's has announced, is to increase wages for nearly 120,000 workers from next month. workers as both sainsbury's and argos will see increases from £10.25 t 0 £11. increases from £10.25 to £11. outside of london, staff wages

inside the capital will increase to nearly inside the capital will increase to nearly £12. the group said the measures were to help retain existing and attract new employees in a tight labour. market. food inflation hit a record 13.3% last month, due to soaring prices. that's up from 12.4% in the previous month. it comes as the latest price index showed the overall shop price inflation eased slightly to 7.3% inflation eased slightly to 7.3% in december. the british retail consortium says it was a challenge in christmas for many households across the uk . author households across the uk. author faye weldon , best known for her faye weldon, best known for her novel the life and love of the devil, has died at the age of 91. she published more than 30 novels during her career , as novels during her career, as well as short stories and plays written for tv, radio and the stage. she was also one of the writers on the popular 1970s drama series upstairs downstairs. in a statement, her family say she died peacefully in her sleep this morning on.

and edinburgh zoo says the uk's only giant pandas will both be going back to china this year. it's nearing the end of an agreement with chinese officials for shanshan, a female and yang one a male, have been at the zoo for 12 years. are having special farewell events until their exact leave date is confirmed . exact leave date is confirmed. tv online and tv plus radio. this is gb news. now it's back to dewbs& co . to dewbs& co. thanks for that . to dewbs& co. thanks for that. well, i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening alongside me, i've got the political commentator, joe phillips and the former brexit party mep and now ceo of first property group, ben habib. good. good evening. welcome both of you. good evening. welcome both of you- happy good evening. welcome both of you. happy new year as tom, i've seen you this year. you know the drill well. so it it's not

drill as well. so it it's not just about three here in the just about us three here in the studio. at home studio. it's about you at home as what's on your mind as well. what's on your mind tonight? see riches five tonight? did you see riches five point plan? what do you make to it? i don't think it's as good as ones. of the ones as the ones. some of the ones that guys were sending in to that you guys were sending in to me monday way. but let me on monday by the way. but let me on monday by the way. but let me know your thoughts about it and crucially, whether or not you actually you think he can actually achieve of it maths until achieve any of it maths until your well. what do you your 18 as well. what do you think chuckle think to that makes me chuckle because don't think because i just don't think anyone would have been able to make me do quite frankly, make me do that, quite frankly, irrespective whether not irrespective of whether or not it be good idea or not. it would be a good idea or not. mps wearing stock well. mps wearing stock vests as well. what you think to that? it what do you think to that? is it a sign the times, something a sign of the times, something that should concern us or not? and brexit? it was years and years ago wasn't years and years ago now, wasn't it? we all voted for it, lots of us but where are we us did anyway. but where are we when it comes to kind of the laws? many people voted didn't wait control. how wait to take back control. how are getting with so are we getting on with that? so we'll looking at that and we'll be looking at that and more a while. what 45 more in a while. what 45 minutes? 50 almost now. minutes? 50 minutes, almost now. so keep me company. so 7:00. so keep me company. give give give me your thoughts, give views . gbnews.uk give me your thoughts, give views. gbnews.uk is the email

address. let me just take a little look . by the way, lots of little look. by the way, lots of you been getting in touch you have been getting in touch with my little tool , they with my new little tool, they say following . michel, say is the following. michel, you keep asking, how can you make kids land massive that it wants to? it's called this zipline. alec says is rishi basically saying that a better grasp of maths will lead to people budgeting better. diana's says, i would prefer to see the school day extended by an hour per day. then this could be an hour extra of maths. goodness gracious , diana, if someone said gracious, diana, if someone said to me, you've got an extra hour at the end of the day to do maths, i'd be out that back door quicker then. i don't know what's that, but you tell me. maybe i'll just be like one of those kids that you wouldn't want to have in your class. but lots of you are getting in. such as? well, alain says, michelle, it's not maths. how could it's maths, not maths. how could your son ever learn anything from you ? alain my friend , from you? alain my friend, that's just an accent, isn't it?

ihope that's just an accent, isn't it? i hope my son will learn lots from me, and if he does it in a whole accent, i'll be absolutely fine with it. keep your thoughts coming in tonight, but let's get into that five point plan, shall we? you guys, by the we? lots of you guys, by the way, your five point way, was sending your five point plans monday. we came plans to me on monday. we came up lots of didn't we? up with lots of them, didn't we? but let's focus on that but rishi's. let's focus on that for tonight. cutting nhs waiting lists , halving inflation, lists, halving inflation, growing reducing growing the economy, reducing the national debt. and i know this one's quite important to some of stop the migrant some of you. stop the migrant boats that are crossing the engush boats that are crossing the english channel. hm. interesting. lisbon maybe , but interesting. lisbon maybe, but what do you think to that? well prima fascia, they're all admirable aims, but the problem, i think rishi sunak got is that there was no substance behind any of the declarations he made. they were aspiration . he's they were aspiration. he's taking them one at a time, halving inflation. well, that's going to that's a low bar that should happen automatically. and even if inflation halves, it's still remarkably high and much higher than the 2% target that's set for the bank of england. you

know , which is where we would know, which is where we would need to get back to. so that's not much of a target. then he talked about cutting debt. what i think he means by cutting national debt is that as a proportion of gdp , it's going to proportion of gdp, it's going to drop. no prime minister in history actually history has ever actually numerically reduced debt. history has ever actually numerthely reduced debt. history has ever actually numerthe samejced debt. history has ever actually numerthe same asd debt. history has ever actually numerthe same as hiszbt. history has ever actually numerthe same as his other that's the same as his other point that the economy has to grow. that was two points in one. yeah, i don't think he's going to achieve that where we are forecast to have one of the most protract it and deepest recessions agenda recessions because he's agenda effectively jeremy effectively and jeremy hunt agenda one of anti—growth agenda is one of anti—growth it's one of control more of the same that we've had in the past high and we've high taxes and we've got relatively high borrowing costs. so i don't think we're going to grow our way out of this problem. you talked about reducing waiting lists, but all i can i just simply cannot believe that we're the nhs is now , you know, he's going to get now, you know, he's going to get a waiting list coming down again . they're forecast go up . they're forecast to go up markedly from where they are at the it's about seven and the moment. it's about seven and a half million people waiting 14

weeks for treatment. were weeks for treatment. there were four in for over four in the for just over 4 million before the pandemic kicked lockdown kicked off before lockdown started, say. see started, i should say. and i see that rising as the year goes on and then he was challenged on stopping the boats. and of course, his answer to stopping the boats this year was actually what i mean that is passing what i mean by that is passing the required in the legislation required in order to stop the boats. well we've had legislation already a number of times to try and stop these boats. we had most recently the nationality and borders build that became the act and that was going to do all sorts of things to control our borders. so i think rishi will succeed. on his inflation target. i he's going to target. i think he's going to spectacularly fail on everything else. if 2023 is the odd stick, if 2023 is the period during which he has to succeed. and i think he will still have failed at the time of the next election. yeah. and i've got to say, one of his key themes in all of this was that it was all about accountability. so he reckons he's come up with some quite outcomes you quite tangible outcomes that you can him on the next

can judge him on when the next election comes. do you think he'll achieve any of them? no and i think this whole essence of written of accountability, it's written into the speech, but there was no record ignition that this party has been in government for 12 years. there was no recognise one of the real worries that people are facing, you can write it down, michel. we could all do that and repeat the words, but he clearly hasn't got, you know , and i'm not talking about charisma, but he's got no empathy. you know. does he actually understand what it's like for somebody who's waiting either for an operation that's been cancelled many times or someone who knows that a loved one has died because an ambulance didn't get there in time? does he have any idea of the real pressures that families are under ? and it sounded to me. are under? and it sounded to me. do you think it does then? i don't think he does. and if he had and if he does, then he certainly hasn't. he doesn't express them. i mean, ben and i were talking before we came into the studio and actually we both

agreed that when he was answering the questions, he seemed more human. but the speech was managerial . it was speech was managerial. it was like one of those things that we've all been to and you sit in the room and you think, oh lord, and there's going to have a presentation about kpis. and i really can feel that my eyes are glazing over. we are in a crisis. he's been absent, as have his ministers , right have his ministers, right through christmas and new year. there was no sense of urgency . there was no sense of urgency. there was no sense of urgency. there was no sense of urgency. there was no sense of recognition. there was no sense of you know, if you're going to judge him on how he how is he going to stop waiting lists. yeah, he had to be much more tangible . and i think i was tangible. and i think i was listening to liam halligan and before i came on and you know, this time of multiple this is a time of multiple cnses this is a time of multiple crises and i don't like the word cnses crises and i don't like the word crises much because it gives undue importance often to things that deserve that term. that don't deserve that term. but think have got a number but i think we have got a number of going this is of crises going on and this is a time for genuine leadership . time for genuine leadership. it's for it's time for leader to

get it up in front and address head on how he's going to solve the strikes address head on specifically how he's going to get waiting list on specifically how he's going to grow the economy. all economists agree that basically jeremy hunt's package of policies is anti—growth and you talked earlier on, michel, about all the regulations that we still have from the eu . well, one of have from the eu. well, one of the benefits of brexit was to be jettisoning bureaucracy that we don't need , that the british don't need, that the british national interest is not served by, and we haven't done any of that. by, and we haven't done any of that . and rishi is pushing that that. and rishi is pushing that to a backburner now. so if you talk about legislative change, that's to boost the united that's going to boost the united kingdom, to get kingdom, we're not going to get that directly . and the that either directly. and by the way, a phenomenal way to way, is a phenomenal way to power an economy. but he's not doing well. well come on to doing it well. well come on to the whole bonfire of brexit regulations , whatever you want regulations, whatever you want to call it. but i'm fascinated about your point on rishi and i think that these tories can't really win because they did have

bofis really win because they did have boris johnson, who was this bombast stick kind of character that connected with the audience, you're saying, oh, i watched machine. my eyes glaze over going get over thinking, i'm going to get powerpoint flipside powerpoint slides. the flipside of that they had of that is they had a charismatic leader. had charismatic leader. they had a dynamic communicator , and people dynamic communicator, and people couldn't get rid of him, couldn't wait to get rid of him, but couldn't. yeah, but but they couldn't. yeah, but bofis but they couldn't. yeah, but boris wait to boris can deliver. they wait to get rid of him, not because of his charisma . they wait his charisma. they couldn't wait to him because he was to get rid of him because he was an electoral liability, because he liar and as ben rightly he was a liar and as ben rightly said, he couldn't deliver. he was all about the bombast and the oratory and the performance, and he'd got no attention to detail. and he hadn't got them. so then you want a blend of the two, then i'm guessing his style is substance, but there's no substance with rishi. that's, i think what we've got to get clear. very keen to portray clear. he's very keen to portray himself minister himself as being prime minister about years he's been about five years he's been chancellor much longer. we chancellor for much longer. we know what rishi know rishi. we know what rishi believes in. he believe believes in. he doesn't believe in growth. also know that in growth. we also know that he flip you know, he made a flip flops. you know, he made a number of pledges when he was running against liz truss. whether buy into them

whether or not you buy into them and reversed largely and he's reversed very largely all including a bonfire all of them, including a bonfire of regulations, which he said of eu regulations, which he said he within his first of eu regulations, which he said he days within his first of eu regulations, which he said he days as within his first of eu regulations, which he said he days as premiern his first of eu regulations, which he said he days as premier. his first of eu regulations, which he said he days as premier. i mean, 100 days as premier. i mean, he's right back on that. it's just about personalities because, , you made it because, you know, you made it about past. no. but about past. no, no, no. but i but it it's not necessary, really, about personality. it's about how you come across which isn't the same thing you can get a good speechwriter. you need to if you write speeches, which i have done for many, many people of different political complexions, you need to have an authentic voice . that stuff that authentic voice. that stuff that he reading out today didn't he was reading out today didn't sound like somebody who is authentic . it sounded like authentic. it sounded like somebody who was at the beginning of an electoral or election campaign, not someone who's been chancellor, who's been an mp for quite a long time, who fought the leadership campaign and actually was more animated. you know, you've got who's he talking to the first thing you've got to understand is who are you talking to? well, you're to the media you're talking to the media primarily through the media primarily and through the media to the public. and if you

haven't got anything that people can grab they're just can grab on to, they're just going to go, oh, well, guess what? someone what ? someone's what? someone what? someone's voice. tony, i couldn't care less. i was i campaigned for liz truss, who is, you know, arguably be one of the worst speakers that , you know, who's speakers that, you know, who's graced me had passed the front bench, but she had passion and she knew what she believed in. i mean, i think she was a raving bonkers. well, whether you agree with her or not, that's something that was not memorable. there's nothing if you to give a message of you want to give a message of hope, an optimism, you have to let people metaphorically go to bed tonight thinking, oh, i feel better. he's come back from christmas . i better. he's come back from christmas. i feel though christmas. i feel as though someone's in charge . i don't someone's in charge. i don't think he's delivered that. there was leadership today. was no leadership today. no leadership not leadership. so you better not convince by what you say you're both not convinced about sunak's ability deliver . so what now ability to deliver. so what now then ? well, now we continue down then? well, now we continue down then? well, now we continue down the path of one in three quarter years towards an electoral obliteration in the tory party. it's quite that's what's going

to happen and we muddle on in recession victims have given up but unless they recognise and you know many many npc said they're not standing again for a variety of reasons and it is quite likely that they won't win the next election . it's the next election. it's a question of how much they lose by. but you know , this isn't by. but you know, this isn't just about elections and it shouldn't be. although i know politics always is. it should be about really addressing has been says head on there is a crisis in so many aspects of our lives. but the biggest one is the health service. and you know , he health service. and you know, he could have gone up there today and said, right, i know what the problem is. the biggest, quickest way of dealing with this is to implement the report that was done by andrew. now, sir andrew dilnot 20, 21 years ago, the dilnot commission , ago, the dilnot commission, successive governments have failed to deal with social care , and that is one of the biggest problems if you can get people

out of hospital, you don't need to be in hospital. you're half way. he did touch on that. he did say that there are 13,000 beds that are being blocked by people who should really be social care. yeah, but what's he going to do about how is he going to do about how is he going to do about how is he going to address it time? we going to address it in time? we only a thousand. why have only have a thousand. why have i got beds my ed? 13,000 got 7000 beds in my ed? 13,000 is what i remember about is what i remember said about 7000. to increase bed 7000. it's going to increase bed capacity by 7000 more hospital beds cared for beds and more people cared for at home. but bye bye. how is he going to do because if going to do it? because if you've got sainsbury's as we've just who increasing just heard, who are increasing their pay and carers their rates of pay and carers are being paid, minimum wage by and large and working long hours doing unpleasant work in many , doing unpleasant work in many, many circumstances. well why wouldn't you can pay is an issue. i've told this story before. my mom and sister, a nurse in the nhs, my mum was an auxiliary nurse and she went to auxiliary nurse and she went to a pub the other day with her friends. it auxiliary nurse as well. an advertisement well. there was an advertisement for in the pub and that for cleaners in the pub and that was more. they were paying more than mum was ironing as an than my mum was ironing as an auxiliary and you

auxiliary nurse. and then you sit and make , they sit there and they make, they may that outside the tax net may get that outside the tax net as you know, which makes it as well you know, which makes it very it's all very very attractive. it's all very well and the well saying and you see the government's answer and it's not just rishi sunak's , it's just rishi sunak's, it's previous administrations as well. there answers, but we've ploughed this much money into it. well they haven't the money that they've earmarked for national health service has not come through. only about half of it's come through. the rest of it's come through. the rest of it's through the end it's coming through at the end of month. they just keep of the month. they just keep saying but given this saying, but we've given this money sort of like, money and it's sort of like, but you're dealing the you're not dealing with the problem. i've got to say, problem. yeah, i've got to say, one of the things that i thought was odd, when you've got was very odd, when you've got your we are your five priorities and we are cnses your five priorities and we are crises various different crises in various different aspects now and the aspects of society now and the sentiment is we're going to come up a plan in the coming up with a plan in the coming months. well you ain't got the coming. a plan coming. no, no. we need a plan right you need absolutely right now. you need absolutely now. i about this all now. and i talk about this all the on my programme. the time on my programme. i should government. should be in government. i should be in government. i should advising rishi, reopen the you wish for. the nice to what you wish for. well yes. you mentioned there was a suggestion that he would

reopen these reopen them. i think for these bed blockers i hate to use bed blockers and i hate to use that terms, know it's little that terms, i know it's a little bit, know not nice but bit, you know not nice but reopen nightingale reopen those nightingale hospital the hospital was move some of the black boxes into them get it stuff david by volunteers all by the says be sensible why the ankles says be sensible why did they take them don't they knew we had a problem before covid was beginning to build covid it was beginning to build up again waiting lists were beginning to build up. there was pressure the health service. pressure on the health service. then covid and then. but then covid came and then. but why take those nightingale hospitals down? yeah, well, because you could have used them. the same time , you them. and at the same time, you know, technology advancing in know, technology is advancing in many, many things like ct scans , mri those sort of , mri and all those sort of aspects of the assets of the health service . so why on earth health service. so why on earth dismantle them? because you could have used them for extra outpatient nursing, but you've got to have so where are the journeys? why anyone asking why isn't anyone asking these questions? this whole birth thing, oh, we're going to sort out these births. well, when i went well when you've just had it ruled by a court actually

that you were under plan is legal. so how come you've not sent your first plan? what is it you're actually waiting for, you guys? so the other thing is that in to sort it out, you've in order to sort it out, you've got deal with the backlog log got to deal with the backlog log of because you of asylum cases because you can't away until can't send somebody away until you that they are legal . you know that they are legal. and you're sending and that's why you're sending them there for processing . so them there for processing. so you've been doing your processing and you're ascertaining whether or not they're whatever they're legal or whatever the situation they're in situation is. once they're in because point. yeah, because the whole point. yeah, so if you sitting here so to me if you sitting here waiting do your waiting to do all your processing before you fill a plane in that just but the problem the problem with that legal year while legal ruling over a year while being processed through the justice quickly the justice very quickly so the problem ruling problem with that legal ruling is principle, the rwanda problem with that legal ruling is is principle, the rwanda problem with that legal ruling is is fine, nciple, the rwanda problem with that legal ruling is is fine, but le, the rwanda problem with that legal ruling is is fine, but actuallywanda problem with that legal ruling is is fine, but actually human plan is fine, but actually human rights is an individual. it appues rights is an individual. it applies individually. rights is an individual. it applies individually . so every applies individually. so every individual has has has a right to have their case. and that's why the rwandan plan is going to be a really difficult one to get across the line. you could dispatch a plane to rwanda and then you could process us whatever is in process whatever it is in this process that you've a human

that if you've got a human right, they're all going right, but they're all going to challenge they're challenge them here. they're going challenge in the going to challenge in the courts. you won't be able to challenge you've challenge something if you've already plane and already been set on a plane and the is dispatched anyway. the plane is dispatched anyway. i don't know. it just i don't know. is it just oversimplifying don't oversimplifying things? i don't know. well, way know. you tell me. well, the way to is stop them in the to do it is stop them in the channel. don't let them enter british territorial waters. that is border control. well i can tell now, do need to go to tell you now, i do need to go to a i have been looking a break, but i have been looking i've keeping half aisle, i've been keeping a half aisle, my i have and lots of my inbox i have and lots of people are saying ben habib for prime got you to prime minister, he's got you to be the prime you can be the prime minister. you can sort goings the sort out the goings on in the channel. would you trust ben habib, way, to what's habib, by the way, to fix what's going on in the channel? i don't know. mark five point know. mark says a five point plan from a man who has an unemployed guy, he did for unemployed guy, what he did for a while serving him food. a living while serving him food. i trust sunak i wouldn't trust rishi sunak to deliver newspaper called deliver a newspaper called blimey harsh, rooster blimey or bit harsh, rooster says, any says, which is vision and any mp. his vision for the uk will never happen until it matches the visions the unions the unions visions the unions seek members not seek their own members well, not the stuart says. well if the public, stuart says. well if she achieve all this stuff, she does achieve all this stuff, he would for him. peter

he would work for him. peter i don't trust the tories to stop the small firms and i don't trust the labour party either. basically and paul says none of the above will happen having inflation , to quote the cost of inflation, to quote the cost of living crisis will just see pnces living crisis will just see prices rocketing up. i'll leave you to think that through. i'm going to take a quick break. and when i come back, i want to talk to you about mafs. so put your thinking caps on everybody , thinking caps on everybody, because all not because apparently we're all not as mafs should be. so as good mafs as we should be. so let me ask you this. are you paying let me ask you this. are you paying attention? if you flip a coin twice, what's the probability that you'll get to heads? did you get that if you flip a coin twice, what's the probability that you'll get to heads? that was the question as the mpc quite a few years ago. now and loads of them got it wrong . do you know the answer? wrong. do you know the answer? tell me and i'll see you into .

hello there . welcome back to hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me, michelle dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry joe phillips and ben habib, keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. mafs how good are you? mafs i must confess, i don't think it's my strongest attributes. my ability to do advanced mathematics. but even basic math seems to still many people. i asked you a question before the break. if you were paying attention, if you were paying attention, if you flip a coin twice, what is the probable ? let's say that you the probable? let's say that you get two heads. paula's emailed it and michelle, there's not two heads on a coin. it and michelle, there's not two heads on a coin . so i know this heads on a coin. so i know this whole my friend, i get this . so whole my friend, i get this. so i'm asking you this is a conan dream. what is the probability that if you flip the coin twice, that if you flip the coin twice, that you'll get two heads? one of my panel was to ask me for the answer. i'm not going to give them it. but do you know where home? you know the answer. i think i know the answer. do you know the answer? i'll have a

guess, sir. well lots of employers didn't know the answer ehhen employers didn't know the answer either. have to say , i've got either. i have to say, i've got some cookies in the some smart cookies in the audience. smarter than to people alongside me. because you say that you've got the answer, right? well, it could be a trick question. you never know. it's not a question, right? it's not a trick question. who's got a pen? write it down on your papenl pen? write it down on your paper. i would have come back to you, but are you, but. okay. right, but are you. you watching at home? you. are you watching at home? i've got these guys to scribble down their answers. cheating down their answers. no cheating . so do it as a percentage . so . so do it as a percentage. so as a percentage. so i'm going to go to i'm going to be here all day. if i can tell you what, it's a really good job that i am not a teacher because i don't have enough patience, quite frankly. i really, really don't. i'm going to get some of your responses on that and i'll give you some point. you the answer at some point. but got these two write it but i got these two to write it down so i can make sure down just so i can make sure there's no cheating. what i said to when i said to my exams, i to my when i said to my exams, i did. i used write stuff.

did. i used to write stuff. i used to write answers like this when i said, do what? gcse is all my and then when i all up my arm and then when i used to sit down to make some inch by inch, i used to reveal answers. not good answers. now it's not so good for though can't you for maths though you can't you can't that with maths. you've can't do that with maths. you've got to know know you're got to know you know you're well. yeah, yes it's very true. and it bode well and anyway it didn't bode well by because my, my by the way because my, my results so you polling results were out so you polling so wouldn't necessarily so i wouldn't necessarily recommend that anyway point is let's rishi let's cut to the chase rishi sunak. he wants everyone to be better he reckons that better maths. he reckons that essentially you should have compulsory age compulsory maths until the age of phillips good idea or of 18. phillips good idea or not, i think it's a good idea that we are more numerate and i think, actually this think, you know, actually this conversation part conversation indicates part of the that are all the problem that we are all quite casual laissez faire quite casual and laissez faire about saying, oh, i'm hopeless at maths . we wouldn't say the at maths. we wouldn't say the same about literacy, but we seem to sort of accept the fact that it's okay to not be good at numeracy . so it's okay to not be good at numeracy. so i think there is probably a problem . the nonsense probably a problem. the nonsense of idea is a there's a huge of his idea is a there's a huge shortage of math teachers and b

it needs to start a primary school. it's no point in doing it at 60. as you said, michel, if you you know, if you've struggled with maths all the way through from the age of five until 16, it's not going to suddenly magically become clear at 16. there are other ways of doing things. and i think, you know, is it something that we need? yes we do need to be more numerate, but it's not necessarily what employers want. i mean, what they keep saying they want from young people, people cbi. and the people like the cbi. and the idea that they want young idea is that they want young people have confidence people to have the confidence and skills and to and communication skills and to deal with those sort of things rather than to be able to, you know, do a logarithm or an angle. well, your employer, ben , you know, apparently a lot of this is because it will make younger people more attractive to employers if they've got better grades , etc. is that better grades, etc. is that true? so when i look at employing someone, it's pretty important to me that they have an a in gcse maths. important to me that they have an a in gcse maths . really? an a in gcse maths. really? yeah, it is because because gcse

takes i think takes you as far as you need to go. frankly, for business, business is not complex mass. i mean, you know if you're a quantum goldman sachs doing algorithmic analysis for your next trading strategy, that might you know, that might be more complex. but the basic day to day business of peer proportional statements balance sheets, how you make money, that's all add subtraction, multiplication , division and multiplication, division and actually the use of spreadsheet . it's what i find mostly out of graduate is they come out with they can come out with a maths degree and they don't know how to use a spreadsheet. and spreadsheets really spreadsheets are really important business. important for business. so if i were to anything, i do more were to do anything, i do more spreadsheet work. but actually the fundamental base is in terms of business business, you've of for business business, you've got got all you need at got you've got all you need at gcse level. would you give me a job?i gcse level. would you give me a job? i don't know what your maths is like. that so you maths is like. is that so you would judge whether not you'd would judge whether or not you'd hire me? well whether or not i've got an a gcse in math. well if had an i would see

if you had an a i would see that. yeah. you know it's an employer's i'm in employer's market. i'm in a business requires the business that requires the knowledge mathematics knowledge of mathematics. mathematics component mathematics is one component of thinking. logically and thinking. thinking logically and thinking. thinking logically and thinking logically is very important in business. well, if i haven't put the whole capital side of harborough because i've just missed out on a career opportunity with you based purely on my lack of maths. well, i might, you know, exclude me because i haven't got on. you wouldn't be applying for my job, my company for a job. well, you never you never know. you never know. television i find this fascinating, this whole kind of blanket employers approach to qualifications, because i honestly, i couldn't care less if i had lots of people. i couldn't care less what qualifications that people have got. i'm not. no, but i'm in a business that requires numeracy. you we're analysing you know, we're analysing companies time. we're companies all the time. we're analysing figuring analysing properties by figuring out make money, what out how you make money, what your cash flow returns are going to you have to have to be. so you have to have a bafic to be. so you have to have a basic feeling for maths. basic.

yeah, i think gcse basic feeling for maths. basic. yeaia—level i think gcse basic feeling for maths. basic. yeaia—level is i think gcse basic feeling for maths. basic. yeaia—level is basic nk gcse basic feeling for maths. basic. yeaia—level is basic .k gcse basic feeling for maths. basic. yeaia—level is basic . i gcse basic feeling for maths. basic. yeaia—level is basic . i think and a—level is basic. i think it's quite advanced. i think gcse in maths by the way, obviously almost declare that . obviously almost declare that. but to me saying that you want an a in gcse, i think that's quite harsh. you do exclude people like me. i'm going to go home feeling like a loser because you know, i could be in all . because you know, i could be in all. department it's just because you know, i could be in all . department it's just the all. department it's just the job that you need to apply for. there is hope for me. i was asking you, by the way, the question earlier on about if i flipped a coin twice , what were flipped a coin twice, what were the probability of getting get this right ? the probability of getting get this right? in a word, basically , let's have a look at some of your answers. let me see if i can bring some of these up on the screen. malcolm i don't know what you're thinking. tonight's but malcolm says 64. yeah that is quite nice. john says basically half even says three

points. that . 83 reacquire or . points. that. 83 reacquire or. one third. what did you say? i said 50. philips what did you say? well, i said 25. you said 25. pete says the following one it would be 50. two flips of it, 25. pete says , you're welcome, 25. pete says, you're welcome, pete, you are spot on, friend. ben habib gets it. pete, you are spot on, friend. ben habib gets it . joe phillips ben habib gets it. joe phillips gets it wrong . i wouldn't get gets it wrong. i wouldn't get a job with ben . yes, i say job with ben. yes, i say basically we're all in the thick of all that. we're not employable. we're unemployable by ben habib. i'm going to i'm going go some going to go practise some mathematics. you get that mathematics. did you get that right? there was some fascinate answers, way. vernon said answers, by the way. vernon said it a stupid question. then and that's what people say when they don't know the answer. that's all i can say to you, unfortunate thing for me, though. i think i've got to get back to costs well. but back to maths costs as well. but i say, you know what, i always say, you know what, i've been out google stuff if i've been out of google stuff if you know so i don't know you know so like i don't know anything. struggle which is

anything. you struggle which is hire accountant if you want hire an accountant if you want to and be better to get a business and be better at maths. there are other that i think are more important to teach very teach at school actually. very quickly, like what? quickly, tell me, like what? because to be working, because i'm going to be working, cooking, is that is that cooking, cooking is that is that more learning to cook more important? learning to cook than learning maths in the than learning to do maths in the great outdoors of the world? i don't know. you tell me. vaiews@gbnews.uk is my email. i can cook even by the way, i'm laughing of thing. there's no this is a great presenter. great politician can't sing i can't go with ben i can't cook sarcastic go with i'll just tell you all about that. i got to take a quick break. when we come back, let's talk brexit, shall we? brexit, of course, is still in the headlines. lots of rattles brewing, apparently by the way, and many of us want another referendum and would vote to stay is you? but stay. is that you? but specifically when it comes to the laws , how quick should we the laws, how quick should we get rid of remaining in eu laws at the end the year? is that a realistic target or does it need to be much longer? give me your thoughts see you .

in two. i'm committed so many joined me on gb news on sunday morning for a politics with personality on tv, radio and gb news the people's channel. britain's news . people's channel. britain's news. ch mafs with june right through and full 7:00 tonight. i'm only kidding this is dewbs& co is me michelle dewberry laughing because we've just been setting mafs quizzes before the break. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. politico.com and setterjoe politico.com and setter joe phillips and the former brexit party mep, now ceo of first property group ben habib , who's property group ben habib, who's basically me he won't give basically told me he won't give me job money. these two guys me a job money. these two guys keep me company till 7:00 tonight. we've just been talking about and was saying about and joe was saying actually one of the skills that

you should be focusing on, perhaps importantly perhaps even more importantly than like than mafs, is things like cooking . and that's got a big cooking. and that's got a big response in my inbox, actually. a saying , a lot of people saying, absolutely, be absolutely, we should be teaching to cook. but teaching people to cook. but other people are pointing out, but you need maths as well to cook. well, how do you do you measure yes. so you see measure them? yes. so you see that's learn things. you that's how you learn things. you learn of maths by doing learn a lot of maths by doing practical whether it's practical things, whether it's cooking, weighing things cooking, you're weighing things out, ratios of out, your working out ratios of ingredients and things and you don't realise that you're learning maths . and that to me learning maths. and that to me is how you learn life skills. you know i can't so but if you were doing sewing you also were doing sewing you can also i'm absolutely i when i'm absolutely hopeless. i when i'm absolutely hopeless. i when i started secondary school and we had sewing lessons in the end and the teacher gave up with me because we were making these awful grey flannel skirts awful grey flannel gym skirts and mine was sweaty and, crumpled and disgusting. and i really struggled with it and i sold it my skirt. and in the end, she took it away from me and she made me do calligraphy instead of the image of joe having a sweat scrunched up. i

never thought was on in lovely never thought i was on in lovely handwriting. oh how could you know about not the lovely notes? yes. i'll teach you all to say . yes. i'll teach you all to say. i can. i can set. my mom taught me that skill. thank you very much. i can see buttons back on. if wrong, i could set if all goes wrong, i could set up seamstress business. can up a seamstress business. can i work it? oh, yeah. yeah, he work at it? oh, yeah. yeah, he will. anyway. in case you've just tuned wonder what just tuned in, you wonder what we're about. ben habib we're talking about. ben habib wouldn't unless wouldn't employ anyone unless you've a maths gcse . you've got an a in maths gcse. gcse. how? i got my first gcse. can i? how? i got my first job and i do not advocate this for anyone that is watching. they said they would only consider with an a consider applicants with an a to c gcse, maths english. did c gcse, maths and english. did you what did? i wrote on you know what i did? i wrote on my that i had this and a my cv that i had a this and a b this, so that could get an this, so that i could get an interview. and then in. interview. and then you were in. yeah. and my x boyfriend yeah. and then my x boyfriend for entering the hairdryer department and russell makes i didn't have any of the sort you did. is that why he's your did. well is that why he's your ex—boyfriend. yes. yes, i'm an advocate by the way. it caused me a lot of stress. so it did thinking i was about to be rumbled because of my gcse. but

it is fair point. you've got it is a fair point. you've got to get through. you know, the screening thing and i think for young the problem is you young part of the problem is you can't jobs people do. can't see the jobs people do. you know you can see what a nurse you can see what nurse does, you can see what a firefighter does. you can see the specifically train for that person. but, you know, you can't see anybody or most people you see, they're looking at the computer screen now. they might be working in quantum physics. they might be working in banking. could an banking. they could be an architect, they could be an animator, could animator, they could be anything. think it's quite anything. and i think it's quite hard for young people to come onto the jobs market without understanding what entails understanding what a job entails , you know, unless you think, oh, i want to work in a restaurant, i want to work outdoors, or i want to be a mechanic. well, it's just an face sitting in front. better careers, i think, need better careers, i think, need better careers advice and insight and guidance in schools . i think you guidance in schools. i think you could go. think i'd help a lot could go. i think i'd help a lot of young actually, of young people, actually, because you can only be what you can see if you don't know this thing how do you know thing exists, how do you know you i don't know.

you want to be? i don't know. right. talk brexit, right. let's talk about brexit, shall course. to some shall we? of course. to some people's we did people's frustration, we did indeed european union. indeed leave the european union. but progress we but how much progress have we made? still thousands made? there are still thousands of eu laws the books . what of eu laws on the books. what are we going to do with them? we keep talking about a bonfire of the brexit regulations . this is the brexit regulations. this is all kind of going through parliament at the moment, soon to be going to the lords. we're putting a deadline at the moment on for end this year, on for the end of this year, 2023. people are 2023. yes, some people are saying too rushed. it saying that's too rushed. it should more like 2026. where should be more like 2026. where do you stand? so first things first, taking a very logical approach this , we have to approach to this, we have to look a mathematical approach. the kingdom hasn't left the united kingdom hasn't left european only part of the european union only part of the united kingdom has left the northern ireland has, to a very significant extent , been left significant extent, been left behind. and we know that because we got judicial rulings which prove it , that means that the uk prove it, that means that the uk can't have a bonfire of legal regulations in the way that we might have been able to do if we left the eu as one united kingdom, the northern northern

ireland will never get what we in great britain get, and the more we cut and diverge, cutting and diverge from the eu and great britain, the bigger the chasm becomes between northern ireland and great britain . and i ireland and great britain. and i think part of the problem that rishi sunak is facing, it's only part of the problem because i don't think he really cares that much of northern ireland is creating that chasm and therefore emphasising the irish sea border the partition that the conservative party has created between great britain and northern ireland . and then and northern ireland. and then the other thing that is really important to remember , which important to remember, which again doesn't get enough airtime, is that in the trade and cooperation agreement, which we signed with the eu, we signed up to alignment on state aid competition , employment and competition, employment and environmental laws such as they were at the time of when we left the, when we left the single market on 31st december 20, 20, even though i only enumerated four bits of legislation, they are really key part of our

legislative framework state aid competition , employment and competition, employment and environment . and so we can't environment. and so we can't really diverge in the way that we would wish to if we were putting british national interest first. we simply can't do it having as long as people understand that, i think they will appreciate the difficulty the government therefore has in cutting other legislation back . cutting other legislation back. but there is other legislation they can cut back. for example, financial services where we didn't have a deal with the eu and where. jeremy hunt quite sensibly is ditching solvency two or says he's going to ditch solvency to and is launched these edinburgh reforms , which these edinburgh reforms, which is of a number of is a review of a number of different eu inspired financial services regulations and it actually shines a brilliant light, michel, on how beneficial it would have been if we'd left without a deal because financial services can now do what they want and we, the rest of the country can't . and so what i country can't. and so what i would say to people who say brexit isn't working , we're not brexit isn't working, we're not cutting enough laws, etc. etc,

is it's not brexit it's because we haven't brexit is because the uk hasn't left , not a new uk hasn't left, not a new brexit, not in well it's not a matter of degree i think that's a trap. if you get into a debate about degrees of brexit you end up having to debate whether the kind of brexit we got was right or not. i'm not going to get the degrees that would gcse and we simply having those degrees there . joe, where do you start? there. joe, where do you start? well, i, i mean , it's well, i, i mean, it's interesting what ben says and what comes across is that actually had people been better informed , formed at the informed, formed at the beginning, they would have realised that some of the promises were very empty promises. so what you're saying, ben , as i've just understood it, ben, as i've just understood it, is that it's difficult for the government to dismantle these things, that we'd already signed up to those key pillars . the up to those key pillars. the point that has been made by daniel finkelstein to conservative peer in the times day is really good. and his point is that , you know, people point is that, you know, people who voted for brexit wanted to stop us having rules that were

made without all say so. they were made undemocratically. that was the argument. were made undemocratically. that was the argument . yeah, but was the argument. yeah, but we're now in a position where these . but jacob rees—mogg when these. but jacob rees—mogg when he was business secretary, wanted to just burn everything and get rid of everything. by the end of this year. and as you say, they're going through up to the are unelected. so the lords who are unelected. so we could end up with laws being dismantled or just changed or left as they are by an equally unelected body. and it seems to me that actually the sensible , me that actually the sensible, pragmatic thing to do is to look at what we need, what we need to have in order for business to carry on, and then gradually change or alter the others . change or alter the others. well, we're going to be looking in more detail at this, actually, because i need to take actually, because i need to take a break. but i want to also continue this conversation. i'm going to include you in it when i come from the break. i come back from the break. where do you stand brexit, where do you stand on brexit, for example ? there was poll for example? there was a poll done recently that said the majority people want another majority of people want another referendum because either they

regret their vote or they think last moved on or just for the heck of it. i don't know. where do stand on that? give me do you stand on that? give me your and we'll continue your thoughts and we'll continue the just a couple the brexit chat in just a couple of .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry keeping you company whilst you have your say right through till 7:00 tonight alongside political alongside the political commentator joe phillips alongside the political commentatorjoe phillips and the commentator joe phillips and the former brexit party mep and now ceo affairs property group ben habib. lots of you guys have been getting in contact. we were just talking about brexit just before the break and the so—called bonfire of eu regulations . as greg says, regulations. as greg says, michel when did we leave the european union? don't actually remember even leaving. and i think this is one of the

conversations that we've just been having was, you know, how did we actually complete brexit? is it a done deal? is it still hanging? what are we going to do next? karen says anything to do with the eu needs to just be put on a bonfire. however, if the pandemic shouldn't have happened, everything would have been with much more swift been dealt with much more swift . leigh also well, been dealt with much more swift . leigh also well , there was . leigh also as well, there was a poll conducted . let me get the a poll conducted. let me get the stats. 65% of brits are apparently would like to know that brexit referendum really are you one of them ? i'm are you one of them? i'm certainly not, jeff says . i certainly not, jeff says. i voted to leave and i would again tomorrow. the problem isn't brexit is they only unwillingness of the politicians to live up to their promises to follow it through. yeah what do you what do you make to all of this? the kind of appalling people asking, do you want another referendum ? durman well another referendum? durman well , i mean, there's been a rearguard action against the vote to leave the eu from the minute we voted to leave the eu. they're weaponized. first of all, the irish border issue, try

to use that as a hook to keep the united kingdom closely augned the united kingdom closely aligned to the eu, which to some extent seems to be working. you know, given the discussion we're having and failing which they would have taken northern ireland and that's still up in the air and we've got that constitutional still constitutional battle still going and i think that's going on and i think that's really the heart of the problem. it's a political establishment . it's a political establishment. it's a political establishment. it doesn't self—confidence it doesn't have self—confidence that actually doesn't believe in the kingdom, doesn't the united kingdom, doesn't believe able is the believe that we're able is the fifth largest economy in the world to chart an in—depth economic course for the betterment of our people within our country. they see because of their lack of confidence, they see security in being part of a supranational institution . they supranational institution. they prefer to abrogate the responsibilities given to them by the electorate , to the by the electorate, to the unelected bunch in brussels, and they think that kind of collective working is better for the uk. you actually heard in rishi speech today he talked about cooperation . you know, about cooperation. you know, i've achieved so much in the short weeks that i've been prime

minister to cooperate globally on economic issues. minister to cooperate globally on economic issues . well, you on economic issues. well, you know, you're not elected cooperate globally on economic issues . you're elected to issues. you're elected to champion british economic interests. and i think that's a fundamental problem . and so if i fundamental problem. and so if i were pm, i would ditch the deal with the eu and i would if necessary, get ready for a trade war if that's what it results in. i would direct your late. i would direct by the way, if you get ready for trade war, you don't get one because they they back out. but i would get ready for trade war deregulate and for a trade war deregulate and cut and i would take the cut taxes and i would take the fight to the eu so i can have people i can hear you on your sofa, give shouting for your chips when. ben habib for prime minister. i can hear at minister. i can hear you at home, jer. i the problems that many people who voted for brexit voted for a very active, perfectly understandable reasons. not, you know, i'm a remainer and remain so and i think that unfortunately they were sold a pop. they were sold

a lot of empty slogans. do you remember the buses that promised the millions that were going to be poured into the nhs? and we spent half of this spent the first half of this programme many others programme and many others talking about the crisis the talking about the crisis in the nhs. money is being nhs. but a lot of money is being poured into that, by the way, they money, i think the they that money, i think the problem wants to problem is that nobody wants to feel though they've been feel as though they've been conned. you know, of conned. and, you know, none of us to admit that us would want to admit that we've been scammed. think we've been scammed. and i think that a of people voted for that a lot of people voted for brexit, believed every word that bofis brexit, believed every word that boris johnson and the like of him said . and they now realise him said. and they now realise that they've been scammed. i mean, the figures on this are actually interesting is that 56% of people think that leaving the eu hurt the economy. 12 months ago that was 44. yeah but hang on. i mean i mean, that's kind of a massive pandemic since then, you've closed down ridiculously , in my view. you've ridiculously, in my view. you've closed down your entire economy. and then when people go, oh, look, the economy's damage, instead of fessing up to their ridiculous policies which created the first they created in the first place, they point the finger of brexiteers.

anyway, look at the time everyone doesn't it? everyone flies by, doesn't it? when having fun? of when you're having fun? lots of lots and lots of people, alan says. definitely been happy for pm, stephen says. i've got no regrets. what's over for voting leave and i would do so again if there was another referendum. oh goodness me. let's hope that there wouldn't. a lot of you, by there wouldn't. a lot of you, by the way, getting in touch about covid restrictions potentially coming might pick on coming back, i might pick up on that tomorrow . lots of that for tomorrow. lots of people enjoying the people are enjoying the conversations tonight and appreciating the panel. just says another referendum. yes, please . but this time for a full please. but this time for a full brexit and if you win the award for my best email in today, we've just been talking about or cooking, kafe says michelle, if you're really good at maths , you you're really good at maths, you won't need to learn how to cook because afford a chef won't need to learn how to cook be d01se afford a chef won't need to learn how to cook be do your afford a chef won't need to learn how to cook be do your cooking afford a chef won't need to learn how to cook be do your cooking for)rd a chef won't need to learn how to cook be do your cooking for you. chef won't need to learn how to cook be do your cooking for you. like to do your cooking for you. like is not. and thank you very much for your time. thank you for your company home. next, your company at home. up next, nigel farage. nigel good evening. you got for evening. what have you got for us is winter hibernation. must be the malware ever. and he makes these five big pledges .

makes these five big pledges. we'll discuss and debate all of them. well, ask can he deliver on them or are they so vague that somehow he can simply wriggle out of them? and joining me on talking points, former world boxing champion john conti. so it'll be a busy hour , conti. so it'll be a busy hour, but before all that, let's get the weather. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. mild for most of us through the next 24 hours. one exception northern scotland overnights . but it's then turns overnights. but it's then turns cloudier all across the uk into thursday, with outbreaks of rain in some spots . we've got a brief in some spots. we've got a brief interlude between weather systems one low moving way to the east, one low approaching from the west , the east, one low approaching from the west, and then the east, one low approaching from the west , and then between from the west, and then between some clear spells with winds easing as well. so it spells for the midlands, east of england, north—east of scotland, and actually it's across north—east scotland with those clear spells and with lighter winds that will see a touch of frost to first thing thursday , showers thing thursday, showers generally in the north easing

overnight. they'll take some time, but eventually most places will drier . time, but eventually most places will drier. but we look to will be drier. but we look to the west where northern ireland, wales and south—west will wales and the south—west will turn outbreaks of rain turn with some outbreaks of rain by dawn. those outbreaks of rain move across the country . the move across the country. the cloud thickens across all parts after a bright start in the east and it turns milder with these winds freshening from the south—west. so 11 to 14 celsius generally first thing thursday afternoon , 5 to 6 celsius for afternoon, 5 to 6 celsius for the north—east of scotland, where here it's a brighter afternoon until the rain pushes in by the end of the day. and that wet weather sweeps across scotland, the northern during the afternoon. but it moves into england and wales during the overnight period, clears out the southeast by dawn on friday. so for many places it's wet overnight and then it's drier again by dawn on friday, clear spells for the southern half of the uk but very windy further north with gales for western scotland, especially for the northwest, where 60 to 70 mile

per hour wind gusts are a possibility. early on friday. the winds do ease through the day. showers first, eventually start to ease as well . but it's start to ease as well. but it's only a brief gap once again between weather systems on friday because more unsettled weather returns for the weekend, mostly in the form of showers .

and . and. good evening . well, the prime good evening. well, the prime minister comes out of hibernation and makes five big key pledges . will he deliver on key pledges. will he deliver on them? what's the likely impact on the opinion polls? well, they've been having a very, very bad time. we'll look at that.