of representatives is house of representatives is descending into. and i'm talking pints. i'll be joined by john carney . he was, of course, back carney. he was, of course, back in the seventies like heavyweight boxing champion of the world. and i'll be asking him makes what makes you him what makes it what makes you a champion? maybe a lesson for all of us in that. but before we get to the show, let's get the news headlines with tatiana sanchez. news headlines with tatiana sanchez . nigel, thank you. this sanchez. nigel, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom in his first major speech of the new year, prime minister rishi sunak set out his government's key priorities . he government's key priorities. he pledged to halve inflation , grow pledged to halve inflation, grow the economy, stop illegal immigration, reduce the national debt, and cut massive backlogs in the nhs . he even told the in the nhs. he even told the pubuc in the nhs. he even told the public to hold him to account if those waiting list in england do not fall in two years time. those are the people's priorities. they are your government's priorities and we

will either have achieved them or not. no tricks, no ambiguity . we're either delivering for you or we're not. we will rebuild trust in politics through action or not at . all. through action or not at. all. shadow education secretary bridget phillipson said labour also have plans to tackle the small boat crisis . we do . sorry small boat crisis. we do. sorry about that. some technical difficulties that the royal college of nursing accused mr. sunak of being detached from reality following his speech. its leader, pat collins, says the pressures being faced by the nhs could not be blamed on covid or the current high levels of flu cases. she says health leaders believe that staff shortages are the root cause of the issues. nurses are preparing to go on strike again later this month afterjoining the picket line for the first time in the history last month . the prime

history last month. the prime minister also touched on the ongoing rail, saying his government's door is always open for dialogue with unions. it comes on the second day of the first of 248 hour strikes by rail workers with over 40,000 rmt members walking off the job over paid jobs and conditions. train drivers in the aslef union will strike tomorrow , followed will strike tomorrow, followed by a second 48 hour rmt strike on friday. and author faye weldon, best known for her novel the life and love of a devil, has died at the age of 95. she published more than 30 novels dunng published more than 30 novels during her career as well as short stories and plays written for tv, radio and the stage. she was also one of the writers on the popular 1970s drama series upstairs downstairs. her family say she died peacefully in her sleep this morning morning . tv sleep this morning morning. tv onune sleep this morning morning. tv online and tv plus the radio youth gb news now is back to

pansh. parish. it must be the mob weather. i thought the prime minister was in a big winter hibernation. we wouldn't hear or see of him for ages. but not today . wouldn't hear or see of him for ages. but not today. he's out giving a big speech, the biggest speech thus far of his time as prime minister. i guess he had to do it really, because keir starmer is delivering his big speech tomorrow. we woke to the news, the story that had been unked news, the story that had been linked to the national media was that one of the big events in today's speech was going to be that we'd all have to learn mathematics at school till the age of 18. because the prime minister wants to improve people's numeracy . i've never people's numeracy. i've never heard such a load of old baloney in all my life. believe me, x and y and algebra and trigonometry do not help you

become numerate. now i've got a far better idea . if you want a far better idea. if you want a numerate country , teach numerate country, teach everybody from the age of 16 how to play darts and do the mental arithmetic to get down from five over one. that would be far more constructive than making 18 year olds do maths a subject to many cases, which they will absolutely hate and loathe and probably bungle from. but after that , we got the probably bungle from. but after that, we got the big pledges, and maybe if you've been out busy all day , just hear what busy all day, just hear what rishi had to say. these are the five promises we will halve inflation in this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security . people financial security. second, we will grow the economy, creating better paid jobs and opportunity right across the country . third, we across the country. third, we will make sure our national debt is falling so that we can secure the future of public services .

the future of public services. fourth nhs waiting lists will fall and will get the care they need more quickly . fifth, we need more quickly. fifth, we will pass new laws to stop small boats , making sure that if you boats, making sure that if you come to this country illegally, you want detained and swiftly removed . so five promises we removed. so five promises we will halve inflation. grow the economy . reduce debt. cut economy. reduce debt. cut waiting lists. and stop the boats . those are the people's boats. those are the people's priorities. they are your government priorities. and we will either have achieved them or not. no tricks , no ambiguity. or not. no tricks, no ambiguity. either delivering for you or we're not. i thought for a minute it must be tony blair. the people , his priorities. but the people, his priorities. but ihave the people, his priorities. but i have to say, in terms of delivery, rishi sunak is no tony blair. but what about the pledges? i'm joined by liam halligan gb news as business and

economics editor. he's going to halve inflation this year. i think he's pretty clear that inflation will be probably about half what it is by the end of the year. currently, 10.7% in november. i think almost everybody, including the office of budget responsibility, thinks that. of budget responsibility, thinks that . inflation will be about that. inflation will be about four or 5. inflation is this inflation that when he was chancellor they told us wouldn't happen at all? that's right. this trend is going to be transitory . these i transitory. all these pledges i was a bit disappointed by them. if i'm honest, rather than like setting himself up for failure, he's almost guaranteeing himself success in his own terms because the pledge to the way the are worded, that's probably going to happen anyway. like on small boats , an issue that you often boats, an issue that you often highlight here on tv news. he's not saying what's going to happen. he's happen. he's just saying he's going a law. course going to pass a law. of course he could laws . a majority he could pass laws. a majority in house of commons. he could pass laws. a majority in house of commons . of in the house of commons. of course going to law course he's going to pass a law and on as well . he says and on debt as well. he says that's going to start falling . that's going to start falling. but then we have to hear from

other ministers, not him myself and tom harwood. today we finally managed learn finally managed to learn that that's over in five years time. so i don't think these pledges were particularly difficult . i were particularly difficult. i don't think there was much leadership here. i just think he was setting out a load of criteria that are probably going to met anyway. i think almost to be met anyway. i think almost everybody thinks inflation is going to go down a lot this year from the current 40 year. how do you say that? but actually food inflation figures from december have a shock have been a bit of a shock today. they have the food inflation december. inflation figure for december. it's figure. it's not an official figure. it's not an official figure. it's retail it's the british retail consortium. it's15% inflation on fresh food. so fresh food in december was 15% more expensive than it was in december 20, 21. and this time he goes to highlight, nigel, what you and i have been saying for many many months now. the headline inflation figure, ten, 11% across all goods and services . across all goods and services. that's a sick joke to people on lower incomes who disproportionately spending on food, fuel , clothing and housing

food, fuel, clothing and housing costs their rent and, their mortgage. if they're lucky enough to own a house. they've gone up a lot more than 10. headune gone up a lot more than 10. headline inflation is ten 11. the real inflation for most people much, much higher. now growth number two, growth. you know, he's got to stimulate growth. and he talked later on in his speech. but as far as becoming a great innovation economy, all of which made me wonder why , they're bashing wonder why, they're bashing small business as much they small business as much as they are. are we in recession, yes or no? almost that no? i think it's almost that we're in a recession. a recession is, consecutive recession is, two consecutive quarters economy gets quarters when the economy gets smaller. gdp as call it, gross domestic product contracts . domestic product contracts. officially, gdp, dick contract in the third quarter. that's july . september. we don't know july. september. we don't know about the last three months of last year yet . but about the last three months of last year yet. but i'd about the last three months of last year yet . but i'd say it's last year yet. but i'd say it's almost certain that we do have at least two successive quarters now of negative growth. so we are technically in recession. i do think, though, that this year , while recession will continue, it will be shallower than

recessions of the early nineties and certainly a lot less than the recession, which if the 3008 financial crisis, if by q4, there's anaemic growth , the there's anaemic growth, the economy, he can claim that he's achieved that goal. he can. he can. but the bank of england's saying there's going to be a recession the whole the recession for the whole of the yeah recession for the whole of the year. but again, he's only saying he's going to have saying that he's going to have growth by of the year. growth by the end of the year. so, again, that's almost now done. and read the papers done. and when i read the papers this all we're to this morning, all we're going to learn oh yeah. learn about maths. oh yeah. i like maths. i'm the governor of two my undergraduate two schools. my undergraduate degree was in mathematics, so i'm mathematician and yet if i'm a mathematician and yet if you're at home and you're wondering if you can buy a house and you're thinking about how to pay and you're thinking about how to pay electricity bill on the pay your electricity bill on the credit what credit card bill, what you really want feel 16 to 18 year old, to learn to old, you want them to learn to be plasterer, a bricklayer, be a plasterer, a bricklayer, a plumber, skills that actually turn you know, jobs , turn into, you know, jobs, bankable, bankable jobs , going bankable, bankable jobs, going forward, things that we need people to do. it just seems to me slightly hectoring, slightly out of touch that are very highly educated, extremely man

is telling people from 60 to 18 that they need to learn more maths. yes, of course, we have a lot of, you know, functional illiteracy in this country. but if you can teach people as don't teach them trigonometry and algebra try to teach them about what mortgages, how to read a bank balance, how to, you know, how to run a small business, how to fit a vat return. these are the things that people really need to play darts, women's arithmetic. not wrong. arithmetic. i'm not wrong. everything you see, the parts that you get 161 finish. we know where they table, right? we all know . right reducing the debt . know. right reducing the debt. this is nonsense. all they're talking about actually reducing the amount of debt we borrow. the national debt will go up every single year, won't it? yeah so again, as as a percentage of gdp, i, i think is absolutely right that we're trying to lower the national i'd much rather that we lowered the national debt by reining in

spending to some degree rather than inflating it away by having high price rises to make the debt go away in real terms. our national debt is too high. but again, i don't think it's particularly nigel, because of the way to rein in to say we're going to have the national debt, not small but just falling for it. it could get bigger for four years and then fall a bit in the fifth year. so the higher now and he's met his pledge to where he has set the bar rather higher is reduced waiting list for the national health service and this policy legislation if you come here illegally you will not be allowed to stay. i suspect the legislation passes will not pass fifth test. and in terms of cutting the nhs waiting lists . cutting the nhs waiting lists. that's a big ambition isn't it? well, it is. but again , nhs well, it is. but again, nhs waiting lists now are officially about 7.1 million. i personally think they are much higher than that. why because i talk to many, many gp in my job not just

the gb news but the things i do in the and a lot of gp's tell me that there are now big administrative barriers for them to refer patients in a bid to keep waiting lists down. look, we had very elective surgery dunng we had very elective surgery during lockdown, almost uniquely in the western world. our national health service became a national covid service. i think that was a massive mistake. so just by dint of the that the nhs is now, a lot focussed on covid, they start, you know , hammering they start, you know, hammering away and start address that backlog, getting down from seven, seven and a half million. so i think actually that ambitious just to say we're going get the nhs waiting list down. he should have said he should have set a bar. he says that get it down that we're going to get it down to a certain point. and here's another thing i will say. you now have labour's shadow health secretary making , you secretary who's making, you know, he's he's addressing know, he's he's he's addressing some of almost impossible to talk about in british politics. we need to actually refer you know nhs and rishi sunak today

is all about give them extra money i'll give you actually a word about reform in that speech what he said, what he said is we have challenges in accident and emergency. no, we don't. we an emergency. no, we don't. we an emergency. liam, before i let you go before christmas and afterwards, i've been talking about this 25 to 30 p gap that has emerged on the forecourts between the price of unleaded and the price of diesel. also people are getting their their bills through their gas bills, through the tricity bills, through the tricity bills, through . they're quite shocked through. they're quite shocked in many the numbers are yet the price of gas actually is falling now, hasn't it? very, very interesting, nigel. the price of both oil on international markets and wholesale gas on european markets . both those european markets. both those major are now below where they were when vladimir putin invaded ukraine in in 24th february 2022. and i tweeted out during the holidays that 86 pay a

barrel and $76 a barrel an d ,76 barrel and $76 a barrel and ,76 per megawatt hour . barrel and $76 a barrel and ,76 per megawatt hour. oil and gas are now below. they were where they were before that invasion. and yes, diesel when you fill up your van or car in the forecourt is 20 to 25% more and. also, we all know what's happened to our electricity bills since then. and of course , at least 40% of and of course, at least 40% of electricity in the uk is naturally derived from gas gas fired power stations and then all other electricity. the price of it ridiculously in my view, is still pegged to give us some answers on this . i've been answers on this. i've been borrowing away at this question for a long time. borrowing away at this question for a longtime. i do not for a long time. i do not understand as the economics the business editor of gb news, the national newspaper, why are electricity prices are linked to price of gas and why , when the price of gas and why, when the price of gas and why, when the price of gas has come down so sharply since the summer, the electricity prices come down so terrible . don't understand, i terrible. don't understand, i asked. lots lots of questions, but no one gives me. i love the honesty of that. well, we're going to keep digging. don't

wait. we're going to keep digging. we will come back with all the things you and i, between us to get to the between us need to get to the bottom. this, if we can bottom. this, because if we can what of the of the punters what hope of the of the punters at home got on that note liam halligan thank you very much indeed.in halligan thank you very much indeed. in a we'll have halligan thank you very much inlook. in a we'll have halligan thank you very much inlook at. a we'll have halligan thank you very much inlook at. the we'll have halligan thank you very much inlook at. the state we'll have halligan thank you very much inlook at. the state of ne'll have halligan thank you very much inlook at. the state of thel have a look at. the state of the polls the conservatives and polls for the conservatives and i'll today's speech i'll ask question today's speech today's promises. could it turn things around for the conservative party .

so will rishi soon deliver on those promises ? your thoughts at those promises? your thoughts at home? one viewer says tory pledge is don't mean anything. other than i'd like keep my job and that says, oh, i like this . and that says, oh, i like this. he couldn't deliver a takeaway . he couldn't deliver a takeaway. that's really very, very good indeed. that's really very, very good indeed . and says, no, nothing

indeed. and says, no, nothing change. we will still have viable alternative . i'll discuss viable alternative. i'll discuss that in a moment. blue or red socialism ? that's it . karl says socialism? that's it. karl says he might as well resign now or he's not going to do that. and another says probably not. and i don't suppose many of the population think that he will. joe twyman joins me from delta poll, co—founder and director of the in some ways. there was something quite clever i thought about this speech that he really hit on three areas, didn't he . hit on three areas, didn't he. he hit on the nhs. he hit on the economy and the cost of living and the small boat problem in the english channel. they are the english channel. they are the three biggest concerns of voters that's among voters. that's right. among certainly among conservative supporters, conservative ideas from the last election. and that crucial group, vote of crucial group, the vote of conservative for the first time in the last election. those are the those are the major issues. it's worth pointing out, of course, though, that the cost of

living only in town for living is only game in town for many . and really, he could many. and so really, he could fix lot of stuff around nhs lists and indeed small boats. but if people's if people's electricity bills are still three times what they were six months ago, no going to turn around and say what a outrageous success he's been. it's the economy, stupid. yeah. it economy, stupid. yeah, yeah. it really . but what i'm really matters. but now what i'm saying terms of political saying is, in terms of political judgement, to focus on those things was important . is there things was important. is there not danger this not a danger with this government keep making big government? they keep making big promises never ever promises that they never ever deliver well, i mean, a deliver on? well, i mean, in a sense problem that sense that's the problem that all governments, governments sense that's the problem that all g

beenin haven't seen much of him. he's been in hibernation. and you know, as said earlier on know, as i said earlier on about, whether broader keir starmer out in starmer a brought him out in terms other situation terms of this other situation in the moment on the polls at the moment on average what 20 points behind. yeah 2020 point lead for labour at moment but it's really important to point out that that over christmas we don't over the christmas we don't really much in the way of really do much in the way of polling because it's always up for we boring reasons it's always a difficult time to poll because people off in different place and have to inflate excitement and things like that . so it's really in the next couple of weeks we'll get a sense of the impact of the events over the festive period have their positions have had on their positions regarding so regarding this. yes, exactly. so the good and the bad, it will all it will all start to get filtered into people's people's views. i guess, in a way, how people the end, judge rishi's people in the end, judge rishi's speech a certain speech will depend to a certain extent keir starmer does extent what keir starmer does tomorrow that will be direct comparisons one with the other. what i've from what i've seen of the polling guys the polling that you guys produce comes to who'd produce when it comes to who'd make best minister make the best prime minister storm not really storm is still not really cutting as well . neither one

cutting it as well. neither one is overwhelming popular, but consistently starmer and labour are popular than the conservative and rishi sunak. but the gap between rishi sunak and keir starmer is smaller than the gap between conservatives and labour. keir in positive territory in terms his popularity, which actually is very unusual for any politician . rishi sunak's on the other hand, is around about sort of evensif hand, is around about sort of evens if you like. and i'm boris johnson still features. boris johnson still features. boris johnson well the way we put it is this the conservative party has have what i would call the life of brian problem, and that is in the sense that a significant proportion the conservatives believe that boris johnson is the messiah and the other proportion believes that he is not the messiah. he's a very naughty boy. and the end ability of both sides of the conservatives to come to some sort of agreement means that he will remain this the shadow casting casting his impact over

rishi sunak and indeed successors in the same way that margaret thatcher did for such a long time after her time in office. so we are where we are, the conservatives, 20 points behind speech today are behind that speech today are going to make little or no of its itself impact in my view. certainly keir starmer i mean many newspaper as many commentators now talk as if the next election is it's done , next election is it's done, dusted, it's over , labour are dusted, it's over, labour are going to win thumping great majority. how do you say that? well a week is a long time in politics and we have many, many until the next general election . it's worth remembering that labour still need to achieve the kind of swing in constituencies that really is very, very unusualin that really is very, very unusual in general elections in to bring things back. now it is of course, very unusual circumstances at the moment, but those circumstances can change. it certainly doesn't look good for the conservatives. so there they're in dire straits when it comes to the economy, it comes to the economy, when it comes to the economy, when it comes to the economy, when it comes to health and when it comes to health and when it comes to health and when it comes to immigration, all of

which are important but which are important issues. but i next the next 6 to i think the next the next 6 to 9 months will really be very important three areas. firstly in terms of in terms of blame who the public blame for what is happening at the moment, all you say, who's responsible in terms of the good stuff and the bad stuff. john major, discover is that actually no matter how well did on the economy at the end of their time, it didn't make any difference because they were blamed for everything went blamed for everything that went wrong. the conservatives wrong. so do the conservatives get or they sort get the blame or can they sort of to the war in of pass off to the war in ukraine? covid everything else? the second thing that's important is this sort of bubbung important is this sort of bubbling the surface issue bubbling under the surface issue of housing, every month of housing, because every month more and more people coming of interests, mortgages, interestingly , he didn't mention interestingly, he didn't mention housing at all. the speech today. no. and i think the problem he has is that it's very difficult for him to make a difference in that respect . difference in that respect. there are very few levers that he and important he can. and this is important for are coming off for homeowners are coming off fixed mortgages every fixed rate mortgages every month. it's also important for renters course , are

renters who, of course, are living houses owned by people living in houses owned by people who are coming off mortgages and. of his own party is and. of course, his own party is split. housing split. yes, all housing development to build houses there are so many potential. potential problems to deal with that so many mines in the water that so many mines in the water that has to be careful. but then the third thing is not actually to do with the conservatives, it's to do with labour. they could easily grab defeat could quite easily grab defeat from the jaws of victory. i'm not find a banana skin, so i'm not find a banana skin, so i'm not saying the most likely option, but it's not impossible . they could have a massive internal of internal argument the likes of which love have so which labour love to have so often, and that could be on subject. but if it's on a subject. but if it's on a subject that the majority and i mean it's a sizeable majority of the population really don't care about it's don't know, about whether it's i don't know, trans rights or the role of trade unions actually could have an impact. that's interesting that you say that we saw that you say that because we saw the sturgeon new gender legislation and particularly controversial that you know people between 60 and 18 can legally change gender by saying

they've used different pronouns for six months, no parental consent no doctor needed all of that. consent no doctor needed all of that . and what was really that. and what was really interesting about that was when it was polled , it found that it was polled, it found that actually about 20, not just of scotland but of the whole got it. about 20% thought this was a really, really good but double that number thought it was a very bad idea , felt strongly very bad idea, felt strongly about it, including lot of labour voters . and starmer labour voters. and starmer seemed to suggest that maybe that legislation was appropriate for england and wales. these are the kind of things that could tear labour apart. we'll still have previously suggested that in interview a of years ago, in an interview a of years ago, and i don't think he's come down one way or the other more recently. i think probably the reason he hasn't come way or reason he hasn't come one way or the because he wants to the other is because he wants to avoid of internal avoid that kind of internal conflict i expect could be conflict that i expect could be a problem. and so i think we'll see stronger focus on message see a stronger focus on message discipline over years discipline over next two years for labour that . but of for labour to avoid that. but of course with so many different factions party and factions within the party and the corbyn east, the faction

never wishing to miss out an opportunity to stick the knife in quite at the moment quite at the moment . in quite at the moment quite at the moment. but in quite at the moment quite at the moment . but they sense in quite at the moment quite at the moment. but they sense in the moment. but if they sense in the moment. but if they sense in the water they could they could go after them. both parties have a problem with a certain section of the of their that they would prefer them prefer them to lose stick to the policies they have yeah.than stick to the policies they have yeah. than win with with policies that are ideologically impure. i know this all about absolutist wings in political parties, but it's final thought . really unfair question to ask you guys. you can duck it if you want to, but all of these between them, the two most bonng between them, the two most boring political leaders we've had in our history. oh, well, i mean, i think we can name it. we can name much more boring much more boring leaders. i mean, look at, alec douglas—home, for instance , even clement instance, even clement attlee, winston churchill famously said that an empty tax he arrived at the point i was making was not you know, in both those cases. i understand what you're saying,

but these are two boring leaders together at the same time , i together at the same time, i think there's an element i do stress an element that that what part of the country wants and the size of that part changes time. what part of the country is a bit of a bit of boring at the moment , is a bit of a bit of boring at the moment, but for how long that last remains to be seen . that last remains to be seen. ireland, thank you very much indeed for joining ireland, thank you very much indeed forjoining me and you indeed for joining me and you thought that westminster was a total circus during 2022, putting us as a laughing stock on the world stage? well, the americans , they're having a go americans, they're having a go in 2023 to try and catch up with us. i'll discuss all of that in just a moment with you .

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republican party in terms of the senate , but the house of senate, but the house of representatives, the lower house now has a clear majority for the republicans and the republican congress . then kevin mccarthy , congress. then kevin mccarthy, california, and he's been the senior figure in that party for many, many years . he's been many, many years. he's been endorsed again today quite vociferously by donald trump. and yet , despite the fact and yet, despite the fact there's a majority, the republic , congressmen and women are not for kevin . he's falling 20 vote for kevin. he's falling 20 vote short. there've been four votes already . this is already the already. this is already the most protracted , you know, most protracted, you know, process for speaker . and process for speaker. and remember, speaker and america is a very, very big what the hell is going on why are why on earth are republicans fighting republicans in this way ? well, republicans in this way? well, joining me, bob mcewen , who was joining me, bob mcewen, who was a congressman from ohio . and a congressman from ohio. and interestingly, bob, welcome to

the program , interestingly, even the program, interestingly, even someone that knew the late president reagan reagan used to say didn't he? you know, never, never turn on a fellow republican. please tell us, mr. mcewen, what the hell is going on? well nigel, great to be with you. and you in the parliamentary system , there's parliamentary system, there's usually more unity . and in the usually more unity. and in the system, they're pretty much individual actors. and but we like to get together at the end . but what happened with with kevin , who has been a majority kevin, who has been a majority leader for or been the republican leader in and out for the last decade or so. he made some permanent enemies and he he just literally shut them out and.lo just literally shut them out and. lo and behold, he thought he was going to win a landslide, which many of us thought would happen. he would have a 40 or 50 vote margin and he would be in good but lo and behold, good shape. but lo and behold, when down to he's only when it came down to he's only got four or five votes to win,

then these folks that he's been planning, have begun planning, these seats have begun to reap their fruit. and they said, us said, fine you've mistreated us for watch this. and so for a decade. watch this. and so it's kind a back and forth it's kind of a back and forth and it'll sort itself out, as churchill said, the democracy it worst form of government except the others. and so as we watched the others. and so as we watched the president get . but the president get. but nevertheless i think it'll resolve itself . well maybe it resolve itself. well maybe it will but as i say already, it's been through four votes and it may go to a fifth today or tomorrow . and who knows, you tomorrow. and who knows, you know, quite where this ends or how long it takes. but the real point this. you know, point is this. you know, your party wants back into the party wants to get back into the white house in 24. you want to get back a majority in senate in a divided parties is never a good sales pitch to an audience, be they british, american or anything else . and everyone was anything else. and everyone was saying over here, the bbc, etc. are it's the make america great, are it's the make america great, a wing you know, wing , the party a wing you know, wing, the party causing this trouble . but trump causing this trouble. but trump

has endorsed mccarthy . isn't has endorsed mccarthy. isn't this doing the image of the republic party? isn't it doing it huge harm in the short run? i think it is. it's not a good thing. and like watching the making of sausage, it's always a little bit frustrating, but also it's important to stick by principle and nigel, there's no better example on planet than yourself . and as you for years yourself. and as you for years stood for what was right. and lo and behold, when the moment came that came with a thunderclap . that came with a thunderclap. and there are folks that the time has come and mr. trump was a part of it . yet in his efforts a part of it. yet in his efforts to lead, he tried to accommodate some folks and in the process, they turned on him . what the they turned on him. what the what the freedom caucus is saying, look, let's do it . let's saying, look, let's do it. let's do it halfway . let's do it do it halfway. let's do it right. and idea. we just passed . a $ right. and idea. we just passed. a $ next ten months and not a single member of the congress saw it . member of the congress saw it. it was done only on in the back room by the by speaker pelosi .

room by the by speaker pelosi. and rather than stand up against it, as mccarthy refused to do it, as mccarthy refused to do it, he rolled it over and it happen. so that's the kind of thing they say you don't win unless you stand up and fight and. these are people who want to fight and. i think it's good for it's good for kevin it's if he wins this , i think he'll be he wins this, i think he'll be stronger for. it points very well made barbecue . and thank well made barbecue. and thank you very much indeed for explain this extraordinary situation shown to a british audience. thank you. thank you . sticking thank you. thank you. sticking briefly with america, stanford university is without doubt the most woke institution in the whole of the western world. they have now come up with a whole list of they want to eliminate. yes, it's the elimination of harmful language initiative being launched by university words that must not be used in future and will not be used on their websites or their

promotional material. one of them, believe it or not, is american. no you can't say american. no you can't say america . that really won't do . america. that really won't do. no, you've got to say us citizen. instead the next one that bemused me was long time . that bemused me was long time. no, see? no. you can't say long time no see . i haven't seen you time no see. i haven't seen you in so long otherwise it could be. and historical sleight against india , indigenous people against india, indigenous people and chinese what? you could have fooled me. you can't use the word karen to describe a certain group of women. it is a really demeaning term to entitled white women. i ijust demeaning term to entitled white women. i i just don't get this. and finally , believe it or not, and finally, believe it or not, one word that can't be used as grand father. i mean, ijust can't get by, you know , handle can't get by, you know, handle on this no legacy is what we're going to have to call these people in future because of some real that happened in the southern states many years ago . southern states many years ago. stanford is so woke . wait for stanford is so woke. wait for it. i think that harry and

meghan will be visiting for stanford very, very in a moment, talking points. i'll be joined by former boxing champion john carty .

well, i'm joined by one of liverpool's great heroes , john liverpool's great heroes, john kanzl liverpool's great heroes, john kanzi. joe, welcome to the school. it's great to see you . i school. it's great to see you. i was just thinking, you know, you're relaxed, big family are growing up in liverpool, you're relaxed, big family are growing up in liverpool , this growing up in liverpool, this great football city where football's kind of in the blood. but was it always going to be boxing? but john can't? i think so. yeah. when i was i was 11 years of age. when i started to box for abc me dad to show me a few punches. he wasn't a boxer when i was about years of age. then he taught me down to abc and there was i used to play

football at st kevin's kirby and also athletics , but it was also athletics, but it was boxing as well. so had a choice of three. we saw in later life on superstars that you're a pretty good all round sportsman . really. yeah. like that. like the athletics as well. yeah. and when i was in neck and kerry liverpool i like i said i of that the decathlon and that type of thing or pentathlon world cup decathlon really that field events and yeah i put but and i was if i want to commit myself to that i think i would have done okay but it was like i said, out of the three of them, athletics, football and then boxing, i used to play with some great footballers, teddy, mac, tammy was famous for my skill. the play for liverpool. yeah. as some of the great footballers produced from there, from the skill . and i used to play in the skill. and i used to play in the same team and as a left back . same team and as a left back. but once you made your mind up for boxing that was going to be it it was when i was. yeah it was it was when i was. yeah yeah totally myself to me around

about 17 and a half. 18, i lost come down to london, the junior championships from basildon in essex , 1968, and i failed essex, 1968, and i failed miserably . i got stopped inside miserably. i got stopped inside a house and put in off our mincer , got stopped by the same mincer, got stopped by the same guy on because we had semi—finals in the finals on the same day in battle. and i come back to liverpool and i thought, well i'm going to continue with this game. i better commit myself to it totally. and i and that was a simple what is total commitment? is it shutting everything everything. commitment? is it shutting every commitmenterything. commitment? is it shutting every commitment thatiing. commitment? is it shutting every commitment that whatever total commitment that whatever you know you evil and twice. you know is you evil and twice. you train it twice , one in the you train it twice, one in the morning and at a gymnasium in the afternoon , basically, but the afternoon, basically, but was a 24 hour eat, sleep and dnnk was a 24 hour eat, sleep and drink for 24 hours. so it didn't tally up with boxing walking through the day if things didn't tally up with boxing fitness when in one hour. and i'll feel that once i made that commitment as a senior amateur and certainly it comes london certainly when it comes london in to succeed sport as in any way to succeed sport as it really wasn't was yeah i

would think so sadly for me it was was total commitment all or nothing and you started to have real success. you know i'd be a commonwealth titles europe pm titles and yeah you know your name's billingham building and building and boxing in days of course was on terrestrial television huge audiences were watching you yeah boxing and working your way up and then the big moment comes the world title fight the light heavyweight world title fight. did you feel really confident going into that? yeah, no . overconfident. that? yeah, no. overconfident. just i used to build my confidence on the fitness my trainer, georgie francis, used to say most fights are won and lost on the training ground. so of a training ground for the fighter so he where have you boots and weights my hand i used to run but a pack of fighters over heath north london where was based with george and that really give it everything you know totally so it was like a full tank petrol in a car it was so endurance. the fitness was

there that will let you down. the only thing that let you down was your mind i thought, well, no, i don't need to as though fit. no he wouldn't have it. give it. yeah i was nervous but i had a response to the laughs which the training. i've at which was the training. i've at the attacks for and it's the pet attacks for and it's just my mind can let me down. no i thought well that's not allow it. choice of that. no it. i had a choice of that. no i'm just going give it four i'm just going to give it four rounds to see it was 15 rounds around to see it was 15 rounds around to see it was 15 rounds and see how you could rounds and see how far you could give everything you've got give it. everything you've got every minute. and i was just another the you so he another guy, the as you so he wasn't he can be stronger wasn't could he can be stronger fitter yeah as far fitter than you. yeah as far as the training for and he did it. you won and that was it. yeah world you i and world champion 74, you and i and power bill wembley now wembley arena suddenly john carnegie arena and suddenly john carnegie becomes a superstar really had this is your life and your photographed and talked about and you're in the gossip columns and you're in the gossip columns and stardom. yeah as a real stardom as well. it's true you were a big big huge star and

suddenly john, you know, you decide the acting is what you want to be as well how did that all happens? the came from i was doing commercials advertising different things , you know, different things, you know, while i was boxing. yeah. yeah you got an agent and i was almost until after i retired for boxer that i was in blackpool this willy ross was musical. yeah was so i like actor anyway. i love old act and it was great going on then. just took direction like you take your direction like you take your direction from your corner man he just took from the director to this here stop there say the do it and just great like the willy russell's musical it just walked in chair a while the character anyway just gives such great writing does that i got to say it just came in to me and i was super performing with these actors. was it tough to cope with that level of fame and success? i would think so. yeah, it was. but you don't can't say that. it's like being in. well,

we'll go back to you can't say well frightened i don't really want to do this at all. it was the money to build a big castle. have a good time. and you've got to do. you've got to take it. all of it. you're just you know, wants a dialogue with that all you feel you can't you know the dialogue was your vehicle my vehicle the boxing the sport vehicle was the boxing the sport and so at and boxing in particular. so at the to and you were the time to and when you were i forgot what the question was. well i'm just saying, you know, you're dealing with that level of fame. it happens very quickly . was that a problem? again, i didn't think about it as that. i couldn't really answer to say yes. i say, well, it was i had, you identified it was fame you know, identified it was fame and affecting me this way and was affecting me this way and was affecting me this way and i make a choice and and should i make a choice and should i take any was just somebody it was just it just happened. you dealt it happened. and you dealt with it as along, as best as as it came along, as best as you could. yeah. that's it. and could. yeah. and that's it. and you mistakes open down just you make mistakes open down just like the fight. you win some round, you lose some round, you know, weigh the know, and you can weigh the assessor, you can assess it all after the fight. well, you kept on winning, but in the you

on winning, but in the end you got nasty injury, didn't got quite a nasty injury, didn't you? a scan that you you? well, a brain scan that you sort a bit little bit of a sort of a bit a little bit of a problem with the well that was trying to come back. yeah it's. in trying be make a in trying to be be make a comeback. yes. well i tried to get my licence back left a retired you know so where they said they said it's okay. it's like a disturbance in the stem of the brain, you know, i knew there was a full scale radical when i got there, but they had just discovered us like the start . but it is a just discovered us like the start. but it is a rough old guy, even . it's a great game guy, even. it's a great game which because mine was which you because mine was boxing football and athletics when i was in liverpool . i, like when i was in liverpool. i, like i ichose when i was in liverpool. i, like i i chose the boxing and i say, i chose the boxing and you because hopefully you just because hopefully whatever whatever you whatever it is, whatever you into and there, it into and it's you there, it suhed into and it's you there, it suited what does it take suited me and what does it take to be a winner like i said, just train and commitments . just train and commitments. just total dedication. yeah listening total dedication. yeah listening to your team, you're calling a people your managing your promoter. it's all there. when i came to you want to? yeah. yeah. you wanted it. but you know what you going into. yeah. and you know going demand and

know what is going to demand and are to commit yourself are you going to commit yourself 100, 99.9% the 100, not 99.9% in the preparation that my trainer used to say, george francis used to say to me, most fighter won and lost on the training ground. yeah interesting. so yeah i know it's interesting. so he's . interesting. he's a substitute. interesting. and know, through that and you know, through all that life, lifestyle, partying, life, big lifestyle, partying, you had some issues with alcohol. you've dealt with that and put that behind you. yeah, yeah , i. oh, alcoholism . i'm an yeah, i. oh, alcoholism. i'm an alcoholic and i go and let with alcoholism and i hit rock bottom with the with the booze . and with the with the booze. and that was great. the booze was fun. i of the virgin nine now that's in a safe drinker's booze they say the gift of god the cleanse to heart crushed grapes some societies don't have it, but even some of those societies have problems because it's just another illness. alcoholism just another illness. alcoholism just a they said it's a little. yeah, they said it's the biggest killer illness the third biggest killer illness in second in the in britain, second in the medical to do on the medical refers to do last on the death certificates the only illnesses you haven't got illnesses so you haven't got a hills denial. so that was it. hills of denial. so that was it. so i hit bottom and i went so i hit rock bottom and i went to outfit and organisation

to an outfit and organisation who's most in dealing who's got the most in dealing with yes sensitive with alcoholism. yes sensitive lads all today and sort it. yeah. and john you've been you know you're a much in demand you've been much in demand the years speaker raconteur telling a story as a joke that dinners and clubs and events and all the rest of it and you're very well known on the circuit as a speaker lockdown and covid lockdown you must have hated it yet. well of all you put into perspective, you know the way it is and a lot worse for the people. you know, some people are dying around now with this just terrible things. you know, number one, as far as the job was concerned of do an after dinner spot dinners dinner speaking spot and dinners know there but it know that wasn't there but it was i was still involved. i'm still involved with a company which . which was good and which yeah. which was good and but there was no dinners, a sport dinners. but just just deal with it. you went just like the fights really enlarges the

box and you deal with it. you see the opponent. and once you take advice and you still want to work it through and life's beginning to get back to normal events happening, it's events are happening, but it's not where we were. not quite back where we were. and think, you know, and i think, you know, we haven't quite recovered from the whole no at all. yeah. whole thing. no at all. yeah. but i to me it's just like , you but i to me it's just like, you know, the boxing, it's like a great metaphor for me. the ring you've got you call the people. they're, they're looking out, they know what they're doing. yeah the trainers, the promoters, the managers, they're fantastic. bell fantastic. but when the bell goes, it's just you. you've got call on the day yeah call the shots on the day yeah you know deal with life on life stands one day at a time. yeah. well it's you what, if well it's you know what, if you're looking for a speaker for a sporting dinner, got the a sporting dinner, you got the man legend, john man here, the legend, john kanzl man here, the legend, john kanzi. huge thanks kanzi. john was a huge thanks for coming on. joining and for coming on. joining us and sharing your sharing your amazing life story. cheers noel. thank you so . okay, we got a thank you so. okay, we got a little of time left to do barrage the barrage let's see

what we get. one viewer asks all you such as kfc damaging boxing with the highly publicised boxing events. john, this i was at the o2 . you know kfc is this at the 02. you know kfc is this big social media guy. i miss boxing. yeah the question that says are they damaging by doing it? oh, no i don't think so. i don't think you can damage boxers are boxers. they're going to be just their talents. see, as a kid, amateurs do these the cast iron all that they've given it's like different platforms now over the years since i retired, you know, these all different ways of boxing, you know you don't have to know show me you don't have to have with the do boxers have contact with the do boxers size, you know. but whatever the way it is, they've set a platform where you can do if that's you want do. and that's what you want to do. and yeah, i see, i agree. i yeah, okay, i see, i agree. i give you the platform to do it. think fantastic. know think it's fantastic. you know what, went to the o2 what, john? i went to the 02 a couple of months back to the case.i couple of months back to the case. i thought it was a blooming good, funny evening, and brought people and it probably brought people into event. hasn't

into a boxing event. that hasn't been boxing before, so who been the boxing before, so who knows ? might watch more of it. knows? might watch more of it. and absolutely you on that and i'm absolutely you on that one final one. michael asks, can you understand how country you understand how this country can be running on food banks yet have an obesity crisis ? michael, have an obesity crisis? michael, ihave have an obesity crisis? michael, i have only got 25 seconds of a show left. i can't begin to answer that. but it is funny that. answer that. but it is funny that . often the poorer people that. often the poorer people are the more obese they are, which has never happened before in the history of human civilisation . so i mean, there civilisation. so i mean, there is a hell of a lot to delve into that will do that with other subjects. i'll be back with you live tomorrow night at 7:00 from this chair here in westminster. but right with andrew over but right now with andrew over to patrick. yes, nigel, yet another rip roaring show. fantastic stuff. i am in for mark steyn is on the mend. ladies and gentlemen. look, i am so bored with our politicians at the moment. the dome and club have taken over. i'm going to give take down on give a withering take down on all that giving the elgin all of that giving by the elgin marbles. rolling over, marbles. we're rolling over, conceding everything at the

moment. and i am absolutely sick of britain decline also a culturally enriched europe. i've got some info about what happened on new year's eve now that see whether i look at it, that i see whether i look at it, it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. mild for most of us through the next 24 hours when except for northern scotland overnights. but it's then turns cloudier all across then turns cloudier all across the uk into thursday , with the uk into thursday, with outbreaks of rain in some spots. we've got a brief interlude between weather systems low moving away to the east, low approaching from the west, and then between some clear spells with winds easing as well. so it spells perth , the midlands, east spells perth, the midlands, east of england, north—east to scotland and actually it's across north—east scotland with those clear spells and with lighter winds that will see a touch of frost to first thing thursday , showers generally in thursday, showers generally in the north easing overnight. they'll take some time, but eventually, most places will be dner. eventually, most places will be drier . but we eventually, most places will be drier. but we to the west drier. but we look to the west where ireland, wales and the southwest turn cloudier with some outbreaks of rain. by dawn,

those outbreaks of rain move across the country. the cloud thickens across all parts after a bright start in the east and it milder with these winds it turns milder with these winds freshening from the southwest. so 11 to 14 celsius generally first thing thursday afternoon down and 5 to 6 celsius for the northeast of scotland where here it's a bright afternoon until . it's a bright afternoon until. the rain pushes in by the end of the day and that wet weather sweeps across scotland to northern ireland during the afternoon. it moves into england and wales during the overnight penod and wales during the overnight period , clears the southeast period, clears the southeast dawn on friday. so for many places it's wet overnight and then it's drier again by dawn on friday, clear spells for southern half of the uk, but very windy north with gales for western scotland, especially for the northwest 60 to 70 mile per hour wind gusts are a possibility. early friday. the winds do ease the day showers first, eventually start to ease as well. but only a brief gap

once again between weather systems on because more unsettled weather returns for the weekend mostly in the form of showers .

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