laurence oxford music is much edgier than mine. they've let me on your telly this evening it's an i as laurence fox listening on the radio i see bev turner me on the radio i see bev turner me on and then in the morning but let's crack on. we heard from both big party leaders this week in speeches which they probably thought were groundbreaking and everyone were a bit everyone else thought were a bit rubbish. at risk of rubbish. but at the risk of sounding like a reality show host who did enough get your host who did enough to get your vote, that with vote, i'll be debating that with commentators from both the blue and red in just a moment

and red corners in just a moment . harry, he is the . also, prince harry, he is the gift that keeps on giving . gift that keeps on giving. today's revelations have a dropped like a comedy bombs all day we learnt more seriously how many taliban he killed , but also many taliban he killed, but also how he lost his virginity in a pub park and how he wet his pants on the day that he met meghan. don't go anywhere to find what i'm talking about. everybody is discussing this, but try to be adult long but i will try to be adult long enough speak to. superb enough to speak to. a superb psychotherapist you, psychotherapist. i promise you, she's the business she's the best in the business and will explain might and she will explain what might just be going on in his head and finally, going to have finally, we're going to have this a special this evening a special live edition out richard tice, edition out with richard tice, leader of the reform party , uk. leader of the reform party, uk. all that is coming up after all of that is coming up after news that bethany . thank you. news that bethany. thank you. good evening. i am bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb news room. a senior taliban leader has hit back at prince harry saying the militants he claims to have killed in afghanistan were not chess pieces. they were humans . he was

pieces. they were humans. he was responding to revelations from the duke of sussex. his memoir, spare , in which he admits to spare, in which he admits to killing 25 taliban fighters while he was a helicopter pilot. the book also revealed harry wanted to reopen the inquiry into the death of his mother, diana , and once believed she diana, and once believed she faked her own death . ambulance faked her own death. ambulance workers have announced strike action on the 23rd of january in action on the 23rd of january in a dispute over pay. more than 2600 members of unite across england and wales will be staging a 24 hour walkout. the prime minister has invited union leaders to meet with him on monday, but unite's general secretary has described the move as a smoke screen, while rishi sunak says the government's proposals for new requiring minimum service levels during industrial action will help reduce disruption . we're going reduce disruption. we're going to bring forward new laws in common with countries like france , italy, spain and others france, italy, spain and others that ensure that we have minimum levels of safety in critical areas like fire, like ambulance

, so that even when strikes are going on, you know that your health will be protected. i think that's entirely reasonable and that's what our new laws will do. police in scotland have confirmed the names of two women and a man died in a fire at a hotel in perth. donna janse van rensburg, sharon mclean and keith russell were killed in the blaze at new county hotel in the early hours of monday morning. the two women are sisters from aberdeen and the man was originally from edinburgh. donna's three year old king charles spaniel also died in the fire. a policeman who killed his girlfriend's 18 month old son has been jailed for nine years. 24 year old christine scott koome was found guilty of assaulting andrew coker before killing him in 2019. the child's mother, tamika, beaten , was mother, tamika, beaten, was found guilty of child cruelty by neglecting to protect her son. she was given a 12 month sentence . the us president mark sentence. the us president mark the second anniversary of the

attack on the us capitol with an award ceremony at the white house. president joe biden will award 12 people with the presidential citizen's medal, one of the country's highest honours for civilians. it will be given to law enforcement officers. the election workers and state and local officials. it's after a mob . donald trump it's after a mob. donald trump supporters stormed the in a failed bid to block congress from certifying the 2020 election. up to date on tv, onune election. up to date on tv, online and tv plus video. this is news . it's back to the is news. it's back to the laurence fox show with beth . laurence fox show with beth. now, it's actually felt like a sort of normal week in politics, the first time in ages, hasn't it? the first time in ages, hasn't it.7 rather than being focussed on a scandal or yet another leadership election, we heard from dogs in both main from the top dogs in both main parties, setting out their pitch for your votes . so what did we

for your votes. so what did we learn about pm sunak and sleeves rolled up.7 ready for action? starmer rolled up? ready for action? starmer firstly, like the robot sunak was so excited about he fails to connect on a human level. when he delivers a speech, i find myself looking over my shoulder wondering who is actually talking to. even to those rooting for the conservatives. he feels oddly like a guest who turns up for lunch but doesn't take their coat though he's got one coat off as though he's got one foot the at. he gave us foot out the door at. he gave us his ambitions to halve his five ambitions to halve inflation , stop boats, grow inflation, stop the boats, grow the blah, blah, usual the economy, blah, blah, usual platitudes. said they are platitudes. but he said they are not limits of my ambitions not the limits of my ambitions for country. they're the for our country. they're the foundation . hmm. so you foundation. hmm. so if you really listened , there was that. really listened, there was that. i know what's good for you. and change coming. that were change is coming. tone that were primed the pandemic. my primed for in the pandemic. my aim is to build a better future for our children and grandchildren . a future where grandchildren. a future where they feel optimism , hope and they feel optimism, hope and pride , and to realise that pride, and to realise that vision , we need to change our vision, we need to change our mindset . our vision, we need to change our mindset. our politicians vision, we need to change our

mindset . our politicians talk mindset. our politicians talk a lot about change, but the truth is no government, no prime minister can change a country by force of will or diktat alone . force of will or diktat alone. real change isn't provided . it's real change isn't provided. it's created , it's not given. it's created, it's not given. it's demand did not granted but invented the choices we make as individuals , as workers, individuals, as workers, business owners, parents, all add up to something far. business owners, parents, all add up to something far . and if add up to something far. and if we're honest , change also we're honest, change also requires sacrifice and hard work . it's a big risk for .it's a big risk for a politician to say that. but the stakes are too high and the reward is too great. not to level with you . so change is level with you. so change is hard . it takes time , but it is hard. it takes time, but it is possible. and we know that because we've done it before. dufing

because we've done it before. during covid protected millions of people's jobs and businesses, a record i'm proud of and we know it's possible because you can see change happening. you can see change happening. you can feel it. i can feel it, too. and it feels a little like we're teetering on the edge of financial disaster with record inflation , a crashing nhs people inflation, a crashing nhs people enabled before their mortgages, hospitality doomed . and the 2022 hospitality doomed. and the 2022 trend of 50 shops per week closing for good, showing no signs of abating. ideally want him to prove me wrong ? i don't him to prove me wrong? i don't want to believe this. sunak is a parachuted in technocrat charged by global puppeteers to bring in a digital central bank and biometric surveillance system to enslave us to the state and big business. to go about daily lives. so what do we need, prime minister? show us the way . and minister? show us the way. and to do that , we need to have the to do that, we need to have the imagination and confidence to do things differently and better. the vision to do today what is needed for. in other words , we

needed for. in other words, we needed for. in other words, we need to change the way our country works . and that requires country works. and that requires a change in mindset. country works. and that requires a change in mindset . what does a change in mindset. what does that mean in practise it means more innovative economy , more innovative economy, stronger communities and safer streets. a world education system , an nhs built around system, an nhs built around patients , and a society that patients, and a society that truly values the family. i don't think a government has any business in my mindset. thank you very much. and the family is that the same families never recovered from his government's instructions to stop each other for over two years, even when the data was at best ambiguous. the children who were part of the 7% increase in abuse because families were locked in homes where social services teachers couldn't get to them. those families, it goes on to say about not all families being the traditional type, which should sound open minded , but instead

sound open minded, but instead it smacks little sinister. so it's okay for teachers or civil servants to do the job of the parent. once your back is turned. oh. and he said that everybody should be forced to study maths until they're 18. which actor simon pegg which inspired actor simon pegg to a furious social media to launch a furious social media attack on sunak's vision for a drone army of data answering robots ? and what if sir keir robots? and what if sir keir starmer well, it's easy to sound tough , clever in opposition, but tough, clever in opposition, but in order to magnify by the, i mean business attitude , he mean business attitude, he rolled up his sleeves in front of what could have been an orange digger, but was in fact the latest robotics . the latest in robotics. presumably when just pushing presumably when you just pushing a you don't risk ripping a cable you don't risk ripping your off with a straight your arm off with a straight cuff. he felt first ingenious cuff. so he felt first ingenious method for it was a richard speak then sonax no doubt and at least gave the impression that he has met the odd working class person . sturmer stallman person. sturmer stallman namechecks everyone doctors, nurses, the late queen the lionesses even the video game visionaries in dundee, whoever are. and his big policy idea

other than the creation of a state owned and presumably astronomic , expensive gb energy astronomic, expensive gb energy company , was to devolve power to company, was to devolve power to local authorities areas , giving local authorities areas, giving communities the chance to control their economic destiny . control their economic destiny. the all argument is devastatingly . the decisions devastatingly. the decisions which create wealth in. our communities should be taken local people with skin in game. it largely sensible right. what works in brixton may not work bury. but if you've ever met any haired local busybodies , the haired local busybodies, the type who were behind oxford's plans to let you drive your car 100 days a year, the idea of putting more power in the hands of these megalomaniacs. make your blood run who will your blood run cold. who will decide will be in decide what? who will be in charge? who for it? charge? and who will pay for it? there many questions. and there are so many questions. and his big the take back his big reveal the take back control, very control, barely sounds very appealing and a bit brexit. but then remember what meant then remember what control meant to the pandemic. he to starmer in the pandemic. he wanted tougher longer wanted faster, tougher longer lockdowns, schools closed, lockdowns, more schools closed, more vaccine mandates , and a

more vaccine mandates, and a nanny state built on a bekind culture. the sort kindness culture. the sort of kindness that of kids for not that screams of kids for not wearing a mask in the classroom. and he out the tired old and he rolled out the tired old trope . people labour trope. people know the labour party only the party cares, though only the left a monopoly left have a monopoly on compassion though is who compassion even though it is who are working hard to are currently working hard to erase the word woman from the dictionary. 2023 is going to be a political year. we're a strange political year. we're still suffering. mother of still suffering. the mother of all the lockdown. all hangovers from the lockdown. many printing strategy. and i for one, i'm still no clearer on who to trust. are you ? oh, no. who to trust. are you? oh, no. stink laurence doesn't have a stink, apparently. right reflecting on the speeches this week on their plans for the. i'm asking you who did it better get in touch. email me, gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. join me to debate the speech i pulled on you. former sunday mirror editor and political commentator reem ibraheem. good evening, both of you. i'm sorry. had to sit there while i was banging on. you have noidea while i was banging on. you have no idea how hard it is to get anybody into the studio. defend your boss. well, i think sunak

is sort of one of those more difficult people to defend because the leader the because is the new leader of the conservative . feminism conservative party. feminism isn't very conservative. and fortunately that when we're thinking the thinking about the way that the speech sort of promised those five points, i think that he five key points, i think that he sort the time they weren't sort of at the time they weren't actually they were actually promises. they were predictions. i you actually promises. they were predictions . i you know, predictions. i mean, you know, we know that, you know, predictions. i mean, you know, we inflation now that, you know, predictions. i mean, you know, we inflation isw that, you know, predictions. i mean, you know, we inflation is expected>u know, predictions. i mean, you know, we inflation is expected to know, the inflation is expected to halve this year. bank of england, 47. yeah, i sort of almost expected his next prediction to be the sun will rise tomorrow . you know, that is rise tomorrow. you know, that is a but i think that a promise. but i think that we'll see like has instead he sort actually promised you to sort of actually promised you to say, can we just say you're the person who's meant to yeah person who's meant to be. yeah well, how hard it is well, this is how hard it is fascinating. i like as fascinating. and i think like as the i'm a libertarian within the i'm i'm a libertarian within the i'm i'm a libertarian within the conservative i'm the conservative party and i'm still a member because still a party member because i believe that, you know, whilst the party's at the wrong the party's sort of at the wrong direction the moment, have direction at the moment, have got tax burden in got the highest tax burden in 70 years. isn't much years. there isn't much conservative about this government, see a government, but we'll see like a sort of is that he is sort of showing is that he is trying sort of bring the trying to sort of bring the party a new direction. this sort of fiscal responsibility, the

sort i back to the new sort of i know back to the new kind sort of mantra. i think kind of sort of mantra. i think he necessarily the he doesn't necessarily have the politics him. he sort of politics behind him. he sort of pay a politics behind him. he sort of pay a bit like a head boy in his speech. mean, even even speech. i mean, even even i would go to say sort of would go as as to say sort of you're right about it's coming out that's what it out like that. that's what it looks me. what up? looks like to me. paul, what up? go on. maybe you can defend him. i think what ? no, i think. i think what? no, i think. i think rishi sunak must be the most relieved man in the country about book , because it's about harry's book, because it's huack about harry's book, because it's hijack tories. push, push the nhs , the leadership crisis with nhs, the leadership crisis with the bring back boris brigade plotting and with your future guest richard tice is writing soaring compatibly soaring. yeah, absolutely. so soon i think actually he must be you know must be really abide by the harry book chopping the news bulletins with the nhs coming second but i felt that he'd been studying tony blair's speech patterns of accept it. he can't deliver them anywhere near as well and you know but he has a

problem there because he went into that press conference for that speech and press conference 20 points behind , behind in the 20 points behind, behind in the polls , knowing there are those polls, knowing there are those plotting to know. i can't believe i can't . but the idea of believe i can't. but the idea of him again, the idea of a disgraced charlatan like boris johnson being restored before the next election is absurd. although i wouldn't totally rule out the but would you like to know? i mean , parsons is know? i mean, parsons is actually my local mp . so in the actually my local mp. so in the sort of local association. think i'd help him. i know god help the people of oxford and selfridges that i'll tell you that i that people figures that i think that people figures like johnson are of like boris johnson are sort of in the of the party. i in the centre of the party. i mean, look at you know, mean, look at that, you know, with amount of government with the amount of government debt the moment debt that we have at the moment is a direct result of sunak and johnson's policies. what want johnson's policies. what i want to is the sort of i think to see is the sort of i think that's seen like a sort of showing of new showing this a sort of new direction the party. but direction in the party. but we've to remember, all of we've got to remember, all of this debt, all of the spending i think spoke this is think you spoke about, this is sort printing money like

think you spoke about, this is sweets. bank of england sort of did course of the did over the course of the pandemic. of this a pandemic. all of this is a result of the johnson. and so you're the best argument for you're not the best argument for the argument for riches soon, i guessis the argument for riches soon, i guess is not boris johnson or liz but well, some would liz truss, but well, some would say keir starmer. say he's also not keir starmer. so to that. how do you so let's on to that. how do you think this week. i think think he did this week. i think what starmer went into it i think the rolling the sleeves i there wasn't a bad one if i was advising on think i, i advising him on i think i, i think of said the same thing to him but he's working a robot there. but he was actually he came more human. he came across as more human. he came across as more human. he came in, he had a better script, although i've been critical of starmer recently because i think he's taken the coward's line on brexit. brexit is not working, but . but labour are so terrified but. but labour are so terrified that there's still enough. despite the polls showing the pubuc despite the polls showing the public have turned against brexit, starmer afraid of the red wall still actually representing us, attacking or him attacking brexit and

therefore he's trying to well, be 20 points ahead. let's play it safe has to be pragmatic. well, he did not be honest to the public about the damage brexit has done and will do. he did say , say i can't. and did say, say i can't. and i think it's possibly the first time i've heard him say this when he said, i understand where brexiteers were coming from, he said something about i can relate well for the right. for that very reason they wants that very reason they he wants to things to all man to be all things to all man wants wants to appeal to wants to, he wants to appeal to the remainers and to remaining brexiteers in the red. you can't do that indefinitely . at some do that indefinitely. at some stage you're going to have to come clean about the economic damage of brexit. is it just keir starmer's got it tied up frame the next election do you think i used to lose? i think it is the tories. liz i don't think that we'll see starmer's labour party of putting this party sort of putting this sweeping majority. i what sweeping majority. i think what we'll probably a minority we'll see is probably a minority labour government potentially a sort of deal with the liberal democrats get those democrats in order to get those seats required to push through. democrats in order to get those seati required to push through. democrats in order to get those seati d0|uired to push through. democrats in order to get those seati do it red to push through. democrats in order to get those seati do it will:o push through. democrats in order to get those seati do it will sortish through. democrats in order to get those seati do it will sort of through. democrats in order to get those seati do it will sort of be ough. democrats in order to get those seati do it will sort of be this]. but i do it will sort of be this anti growth coalition to quote

liz truss , that will sort of be liz truss, that will sort of be put forward. but i think that starmer look in his speech, i think he attempted to sort think that he attempted to sort of like a little bit of seem like maybe a little bit more centrist . but again, he, more centrist. but again, if he, you know, still trying you know, he's still trying to use brexit language , this use this brexit language, this take control language we take back control language we saw in the vote leave, that was quite a clever move, actually, to steal line. i to actually steal line. if i were him, another one were him, i'd say another one from the famous speech in saatchi, one for margaret thatcher, that of labour isn't working. attacking the working. brexit is attacking the poster with the mug shots of bofis poster with the mug shots of boris and even even my old friend nigel farage. you know who show i appear on quite often , nigel? i was a remainer who predicted dr. a do my own research in the red wall areas that that leave would win the referendum nigel didn't actually they would think they would but i also predicted that the public would turn against brexit when in reality replaced fantasy and thatis in reality replaced fantasy and that is what is happening. but neither political leader wants to face up to that even the lib dems are afraid to really face

up to it. i don't think that's true. i think that people voted for brexit and was for brexit and that was a democratic decision that the people because of various people made because of various different they different policy areas they believed think believed in. and i think this storm is actually to sort storm is right actually to sort of this brexit language in of use this brexit language in order sort gain back order for him to sort gain back those votes the wall. but those votes in the red wall. but again, back control can again, taking back control can mean many different things. mean so many different things. yes. supported brexit yes. i mean, i supported brexit because wanted the government to because wanted the government to be take back control be able to take back control away the european union, away from the european union, take shown take the polls have shown actually wasn't the actually immigration wasn't the primary reason to vote for brexit. the majority of brexit. actually the majority of people wanted people voted because they wanted to from brussels to take power away from brussels . what is keir . but chris, what is keir starmer's taking control starmer's taking back control look it's more government. look like? it's more government. is more tax ? is that more is that more tax? is that more regulation? more lockdowns regulation? is it more lockdowns potentially? we do not know. we don't. i think also i think don't. and i think also i think the brexit thing is quite interesting because i think it's impossible separate the impossible to separate the effects brexit the effects of brexit from the effects of brexit from the effects well. effects of lockdowns as well. i think so. i think it's really difficult that regard difficult in that in that regard neither side is satisfied by the brexit you know some so if you were if you were the government. well the government

of course have used both covid and the ukraine war to actually bury the effects of brexit. but any scene , any serious economist any scene, any serious economist will spell out the cost of it . will spell out the cost of it. now you've got to be at least be honest with the public . did they honest with the public. did they vote for this brexit? and i think the brexit have got is not the brexit that either that remainers or leavers thought we'd . i think both sides have we'd. i think both sides have been sold . that's right. i think been sold. that's right. i think so but i have considered myself a remainer and now i'm glad we're out. and i wouldn't want to go back. so and i think there are people like us because of the effects of the pandemic and what it you, how that what it showed you, how that control seep into life. control can seep into our life. if you didn't, you didn't have to rejoin in the i mean, to fully rejoin in the i mean, i'm at the moment wouldn't i'm not at the moment wouldn't advocate for rejoining of the eu that be too messy. but that would be too messy. but there reason why you there is no reason why you cannot build closer relationships with the single market, which would make it

economic sense for this country. on the even senior form of brexit. is it now who? who i'm not saying that economically that would make sense. you think it's funny, isn't it, how we end up talking about these two in their speeches and we go down brexit path? it happens a lot and it does not just on channel but a lot of political conversations . do still conversations. do you still think going play a big think that's going to play a big part? come next election? i think that the leave think that the vote leave campaign and the referendum in 2016 fundamentally changed. i think that we do in these think that we still do in these remaining leave times . i mean, i remaining leave times. i mean, i think that is still sort of changes way that we think about it. think about think it. think about brexit think about way the voting about the way the voting patterns the patterns occur within the country. last general country. 2019, the last general election fundamentally based election was fundamentally based around brexit. that is why those these red wall blended their vote to the conservative vote over to the conservative party, led by johnson , who did party, led by johnson, who did get us out of the european union. so i think it's seen it cast sort use that and so cast as sort of use that and so go with has to sort of go with it. he has to sort of use brexit and try and make sure

that he's sort of getting the best of brexit because. boris johnson johnson, of johnson boris johnson, one of the true things he actually the few true things he actually said was when he said on the one thing after the 2019 election victory that the red wall had only alone . and yes, the you only alone. and yes, the you know , the conservatives their know, the conservatives their vote. yeah, i think i think they're now going to be called in. i think so. i think we've got a running on twitter actually to see whether you thought who you thought did. well in the speeches, who got your vote would. it be sunak or would be starmer so do tweet would it be starmer so do tweet at gb news. let me know and also email me at gb views at gbnews.uk. but we abraham and paul cohen, thank you very much for starting us off this evening. right now, coming up, you've talking you've heard everyone talking about harry today, i promise about harry today, but i promise you, you will have heard it's a brilliant psychological as that from guest straight from my next guest straight after news. if anyone knows after the news. if anyone knows if he can heal . the if and how he can heal. the family rift if a psychotherapist lecture isn't it and she's heading in nasty.

welcome back to laurence fox on jb news the canine amongst will say that i am not laurence fox am a bev turner i'm normally on in the mornings, but laurence is away tonight, so you start with me? i'm afraid until 8:00, right. and to talk about this loving hello them it is not difficult to see that is difficult to see that harry is a very damaged isn't really the word he's you know what i'm going to go straight to my psychotherapist you say lithium resonate to tell me how to sum it up this year how would you i nearly said damaged that feels a little cruel. well, it's quite accurate in fact, because we're all in a way, damage childhood. you know, we all experience and obviously what i see when i look at harry's behaviour is a child thatis

at harry's behaviour is a child that is wounded and has not really processed to spain in the right way or not entirely completely yet. so is a man that is emotion is still immature. i would say i can see that he's stuck at the time where his mum passed truly at the of 12. but what is behind me and what he's doing right now is the outcome of his childhood really. also, we explain that to us that so i mean i know that you're you're an expert in so you the an expert in this so you the idea is that if you go through trauma as a child, you can kind of get stuck. yes, you do you get stuck exactly by the age of between, the age of zero and 12, where shape humans. so where shape as humans. so whatever experiences we live in those times that are particularly traumatic, like the loss of one's parents will determine the way we relate with the rest of our life. so harry obviously has experience helpless snaps. if you lose your mom, you experience helplessness. he wasn't able to helplessness. he wasn't able to help obviously help his mum obviously as no child wouldn't you're child wouldn't because you're not the not equipped and the circumstances her passing so circumstances of her passing so now this is like he's now he's let's this is like he's wearing lenses that he filters

world with and the lenses are i'm helpless i'm unable to help so he's in this manic pursuit of acknowledgement of his suffering . obviously, the way he's going about it is incredibly destructive. you know, he's being called all kinds of thing, like, you know, a human grenade . seeks and requires . he seeks and requires connection connection is a need that we all have humanly. but the way he's going it is very destructive. i really you know, iused destructive. i really you know, i used to be trigger by him initially, but now i truly feel a sense of compassion for. what do you mean? used to be triggered by human. used to drive mad a bit like his. yeah. reading that stress he reading that stress that he evokes an emotional reaction. it does as much as his wife does. they responsibility they don't take responsibility for their action. so there's this is typical, though, of somebody that is in a helpless victim , emotionally immature victim, emotionally immature stage , know children are not stage, know children are not a capable to be empathetic and to be compassionate. so is displaying this sort of signs of complete self—absorption . now, complete self—absorption. now, i

heard rumours a while ago actually that every time that harry met somebody, he fell deep in love like the head heels, all consuming . and then of course, consuming. and then of course, meghan comes along and takes it to the next level. yeah. is sounds fairly typical . to the next level. yeah. is sounds fairly typical. i think it's, i think it's the perfect effect in inverted commas him and meghan, i see a clear transference what is transference what is transference is when you are in a relationship for example , you a relationship for example, you are in therapy, you transfer feelings you may have felt about your mother , father, siblings, your mother, father, siblings, anyone of great importance on to the therapist, but you can that in a relationship so i see him transferring whatever he felt about his mom which was obviously love towards his wife. he's chosen a wife that he's incredibly controlling . what incredibly controlling. what saddens me about all of the situation is the manipulation that feel he's be is experiencing right now. it is really baffling to the manipulation it by mega by by

the surrounding forces that is around him. i know is an intention to monetise this is trauma is healed journey is being monetised right now that's what i see what baffle him is entire lack of capacity to ascertain the consequences of his statements were . example his statements were. example talking about the number of talibans that he killed i this is a highly educated man because he's a man he's 38 that makes such a statement would have sworn an oath of allegiance to his comrades . yeah he's his comrades. yeah he's basically betraying that he's betraying his brother. i mean , betraying his brother. i mean, william is leaving his own personal drama in the unfolding of this relationship so publicly and displayed. we're going to talk a moment actually to an expert on the military. he's going to say how how that must be playing out. how does he fix it ? the chair, like meghan, has it? the chair, like meghan, has come into his life and caused this particular pathway. yeah. what hope does he have of heaung what hope does he have of healing the rift with his family? the components for a rift. there are several. first

of all, he's stuck into this child role. he needs to step adult. there is three roles we take when we interact. we need relationship in our life the child, the adult and the is fixated this child helpless victim mode that won't allow him to have a conversation with his brother the brother and it's in he's talking to possibly the aduu he's talking to possibly the adult role from birth for the roles of being they all have a specific so firstly there has be an awareness it has to take accountability. i believe he wants to reconstitute his family as you say. so but then he added there has to be accountability and that he himself is not yet, i think, emotionally equipped to take able to take from , you take able to take from, you know, psychological maturity . so know, psychological maturity. so it is very childish. it's like the childish. i'm sorry, but yeah. and he's pointing. you did that. he did that. she did the when he talks about i if i could meet him and have a conversation him i would bring him back to the i. what is your role, harry? what you? currently the

what have you? don currently the eye a you know this eye almost like a you know this bravado i even the killing or i, i did this i took drug i did you know i've always in a car park, you know, the relevance of dots , you know. and how can that serve his of finding, you know , serve his of finding, you know, connection with the public even it's disruptive. it's destructive. it's destructive it's disruptive. it's attention seeking. it's like i say, it's all about that childhood. he says he's had therapy . i mean, says he's had therapy. i mean, we presume i mean, he says it. you've got a therapy dog and he's mosquito munchers. i think he's mosquito munchers. i think he doesn't to talk to his he doesn't need to talk to his dog. you. i'd really dog. it is to you. i'd really love that. i really make myself available. i would really like to these therapeutic to see how these therapeutic journeys he's doing journeys i'm he's doing some benefit there has to benefit to some but there has to benefit to some but there has to be next phase now taking be the next phase now him taking accountability him becoming aware an agent aware of his role he's an agent is a very proactive agent and he needs to take accountability before he even think of before he can even think of reconciliation . he to be reconciliation. he needs to be empowered, doesn't like empowered, doesn't he, like you say control of say to take control of this narrative? yes all right. we could say that he is taking control of narrative control of his narrative by, writing book getting his

writing this book by getting his voice there. but it feels voice out there. but it feels surface also clever. surface. he also feels clever. i think the way he's going about it is the destructive is not serving him because if you think of a hero in any story, what he has in common with the hero is the to the pain there has to be a starting point of pain, but then the hero overcomes the pain by being putting being being brave, putting to being empathetic , being putting empathetic, being putting themselves the service others themselves in the service others helping others heal currently is just not using suffering. he's entitled to his you know, there is no feeling that's about feeling. but isn't , by the way feeling. but isn't, by the way publicising monetising it has now turned the purpose of the book my view against him because the hero i mean i haven't read the hero i mean i haven't read the book but what i can see that's coming through is the hero's his brother, the mature, the one that takes responsibility , one that wants responsibility, one that wants to protect the family is the brother. it seems like the brother. so it seems like the consequence of portraying the story in this way haven't even been thought through. so it's kind of a short term type of strategy. do you think that have been some catharsis for him in

writing book? i'd get writing this book? i'd get a make him the documentary series 7 make him the documentary series ? well, that's a bad time. you know , in the way that a journal know, in the way that a journal can be cathartic. journaling is one therapeutic methods one of the therapeutic methods to for sure , but i to process pain for sure, but i think i would have liked to think i would have liked to think that a man of his , you think that a man of his, you know, status and culture education would have been able to predict to, you know, you see the ways being called by the press, human grenade, pat how pathetic , all kinds of pathetic, all kinds of derogatory terms or what's in it for him outside of the monetary benefit he does really hasn't gained the public approval by. you know what he was not searching for? no left here. you're so amazing. what do? you come on, bev turner today in morning and we can analysis analysis there go. you can have that analyse this that we can analyse this a little bit more love to psychotherapist you psychotherapist moody thank you for friday night. for giving your friday night. okay next up, i'm going to be delving into my inbox. your thoughts show . and her thoughts on the show. and her speech your attention speech grabbed your attention back.

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thought did a betterjob of speaking week. rishi sunak or keir starmer. speaking week. rishi sunak or keir starmer . jane has said keir starmer. jane has said better is not a word to associate with sunak or starmer may be least worst if we have to compare both atrocious and it gave me the creeps, julia said they both the same john, i said. neither of the above as this is a theme . you know, a lot of you a theme. you know, a lot of you just not impressed by either of them. well, towards the end of them. well, towards the end of the show, actually, in about 10 minutes or so, i'm going to have richard tice, my reform party here to tell us what his plans might if you're very open might be. if you're very open minded politically, here, minded politically, stick here, stick to what stick around and listen to what richard say. now harry richard has to say. now harry has revealed his latest book, spare, that he killed 25 people while serving as an apache helicopter pilot in afghanistan , this is unusual. helicopter pilot in afghanistan , this is unusual . and it has , this is unusual. and it has been met with a response from a representative of the taliban who said, mr. harry, the ones you killed were not chess pieces were humans. so should these revelations now raise concerns for prince harry and his family

joining? me to discuss this is retired major general tim cross . good evening, tim. hi, good evening . hi. nice to see you . it evening. hi. nice to see you. it is unusual, isn't for any serving so former serving soldier yet to make any sort of comment like this. how surprised were you to hear harry make this 7 were you to hear harry make this ? yeah, it is. it is unusual. and i have to say, i'm not convinced that he really what he's saying here . i mean, i've he's saying here. i mean, i've served on a number of operations around the world. i never served in i have to say. in afghanistan, i have to say. but when you have casualty figures being broadcast, for example , from ukraine at the example, from ukraine at the moment, they're always and the normal ratio between those who are actually killed by those who are actually killed by those who are injured in one said one way or another is normally one to about three or four. so you know, harry was operating as an apache pilot, i have to say. he was a good apache. and i should say, too, that he well—liked in the army. and i think he was

very happy in the army. and his creation of the invictus games. i think he needs credit for so i come from these interviews, i've a couple today, but on the basis that i you know, i want to start by saying i have lot of time for harry in his military career. now, in the context of these casualty figures, i don't i don't think he's talked about technology how he knows and technology and how he knows and so would be very so forth. but i would be very surprised any idea at surprised if he has any idea at all the reality of this is. all what the reality of this is. and it has to be questioned why he feels he to say what he he feels he needs to say what he said, but very unusual, as said, but it very unusual, as you say , what what you you say, what would what you think. most people who who know harry or served with him in the army would be as generous you all being about about and i think a most of all viewers would would agree with you that the work that harry particularly with games was with the invictus games was fantastic and does need applauding is such a applauding and it is such a shame that his has taken shame that his life has taken a turn that it has in relation to those sorts of achievements. but what the officers that he the soldiers that he served with feel the same way as you . do you

feel the same way as you. do you think to him ? i think they would think to him? i think they would be generous in same way. i think like all of us and you alluded to this in some of your you've had on the program already , the had on the program already, the problem is where we are today, and i i'm worried for harry is the truth . i mean, i think he's the truth. i mean, i think he's lost. i think he's a sense of identity and purpose . i don't identity and purpose. i don't want to comment on, you know, family relationships. and i think i frankly, that think i think, frankly, that both buckingham palace and, the mod are absolutely right to say at all about any of this and i think his brother, prince william, is playing this extreme extremely well and quite rightly . but i think most soldiers in position and i never with him again it needs to be said but those who served with him and people myself would say that we are sad with the fact that he has lost. he seems have lost the plot to use an army term. and where we are today , not where where we are today, not where any of us would want him to be. and frankly think most of us would say i wish he'd be quiet

and you know get on with the rest of his life quietly. yeah. and be happy too much. i think most of us him to be happy. most of us want him to be happy. and doesn't want the and if he doesn't want the publicity, then don't come out. seek it. and was just going to seek it. and i was just going to say well, mean, in terms of say as well, i mean, in terms of where goes , is would there where he goes, is would there ever be a role for him back in the military in any way, shape or form? would you say that was his of the family ? and he's very his of the family? and he's very much rejected them ? well, that much rejected them? well, that that door is closed now . yes that door is closed now. yes i think it is. i think, you know, without being political about it, never, never is a you know, a big word. so never say never. and one sense but i think it would be a very difficult road back to be associated with any british military regiment. now, back to be associated with any bthink,�*nilitary regiment. now, back to be associated with any bthink, againy regiment. now, back to be associated with any bthink, again , regiment. now, back to be associated with any bthink, again , you ment. now, back to be associated with any bthink, again , you know, now, back to be associated with any bthink, again , you know, the r, i think, again, you know, the stripping titles , his stripping of his titles, his particularly do with the, you particularly to do with the, you know, the strong links had with certain regiments . i just can't certain regiments. i just can't see that being regard , mind you. see that being regard, mind you. i mean, are you saying he's not very happy. i think a better word is contented. i don't think he's at all. and content he's content at all. and content

is words of is a different words of happiness. happiness can be a short term thing . he's buying short term thing. he's buying some that, suspect at the some of that, i suspect at the moment ways. but he's moment in certain ways. but he's not man and i don't not a content man and i don't think you know, think, again, you know, reiterating the point, i don't think there's any chance , think there's any chance, really, coming back into really, of him coming back into a association the a closed association with the british which british military, which i regret, frankly. yeah absolutely. i think he was probably a fantastic there were . you surprised that the taliban made this statements in response to harry? does this now pose a greater security risk to him ? greater security risk to him? no, i'm not surprised. i mean, it was it's the taliban will use any opportunity to drive, you know, to try their own pr machine and try and divert machine and to try and divert attention from what they're getting in afghanistan . getting up to in afghanistan. and what they're and we all know what they're getting it make it getting up to. does it make it any from a security point any worse from a security point of view? i don't honestly think. so i mean, harry is a public figure. the royal family are obviously public arena. obviously in the public arena. the here well the royal here are well protected . harry's protection is protected. harry's protection is a different issue . i know a different issue. i know there's been something about

that over the last that in the media over the last year so, but i think year or so, but i don't think i don't think it makes him more vulnerable and, know, and vulnerable. and, you know, and i hope particularly from the hope not, particularly from the family view. it family point of view. so it won't have done him any good. family point of view. so it won�*i have done him any good. family point of view. so it won�*i think done him any good. family point of view. so it won�*i think it ne him any good. family point of view. so it won�*i think it wouldi any good. family point of view. so it won�*i think it would have good. family point of view. so it won�*i think it would have been and i think it would have been far better to have not about it. but i don't i don't think the security situation will a, security situation will be a, you lot worse as a you know, a lot worse as a result of it. no, because, of course, he lost his if my memory serves as well, serves me correctly as well, because as you say it's been in the press, he lost his royal security detail and their objection meant objection to that was that meant that security in that their private security in this weren't allowed this country weren't allowed to. therefore guns . and when therefore carry guns. and when his grandmother was still alive, i think was even a i seem to remember he was even taking them to court to find an explanation for that. i don't know where that got to . but now, of course, that got to. but now, of course, if this possibly does complicate his security situation, because if he does go to the royal family and say, you still have to help me have some royal detail, but security detail, they will say, well , you they will say, well, you shouldn't be making statements like you're on you're out

like this. you're on you're out is causing more distance anyway, thank so much, major tim thank you so much, major tim cross . thank you very much cross there. thank you very much for joining me. now in the forjoining me. now in the absence of lauren, i'm going to be dishing up thoughts of with reform uk leader richard thai don't miss it ceases.

i sort of feel like doing a guru like a manly noise when i see that it's nothing like bev turner so jolly right every on this show, apparently lawrence sits with someone, tries not to upset. sits with someone, tries not to upset . well, this week i get to upset. well, this week i get to praise the leader of reform uk, richard tice . good evening. richard tice. good evening. excellent, great. be here. we thought we water, though. i mean, it was a friday night i thought maybe we'd be talking points, but. well i can't tell you for sure what laurence fox

normally has, but i promise you, this water, right? have this is water, right? you have been everywhere week he did you make middle of make a speech in the middle of the beat rishi sunak to the week you beat rishi sunak to the week you beat rishi sunak to the didn't you? yes did the speech, didn't you? yes did he you you think you he go? did you do you think you first did you know the timing of it. well, the truth was he brought his forward, obviously, because that i was doing because he knew that i was doing our nothing with our speech. nothing to do with this keir this debate. beaten keir starmer. worried the starmer. he was worried the impact what has been impact of mostly what has been the of your speech. well the impacts of your speech. well look the reality is that i think so many people are saying and you talking about it you were talking about it earlier, there's enthusiasm earlier, there's no enthusiasm for the two main parties, for the two leaders of those parties , by so many people. and i think speeches this week proved it. and if you ask , what could you and if you ask, what could you remember from their speeches ? remember from their speeches? and i'm the only person who put forward these are the problems urgent and here is a big solution costed it's dramatic sizeable we've got to get people back into work . the only the back into work. the only the country is in so many ways

you've got to get people working and you've got to work, pay and work is a great thing. it's a healthy thing. it's good, all of us. it gets us out of bed the morning and it gives you a sense of achievement and dignity. and i just feel i just shocked and so sad that one in eight of the working age population in this country and not work . do you country and not work. do you think this was a when rishi sunak was talking about we need to change our mindset ? i was a to change our mindset? i was a bit like, you don't change my mindset. you much. mindset. thank you very much. you have power to do you don't have the power to do that. about energy. well that. sounds about energy. well he's been rather good at nudging for last couple of in for the last couple of years in the he's as the government that he's as you're said earlier, you're rightly said earlier, we don't need changing . don't need a mindset changing. we need is action . we didn't we need is action. we didn't need words and waffle . the need warm words and waffle. the country the worse state country is in the worse state since frankly, we've been adults. so who are you then, richard tice? i looked on wikipedia . richard tice that's wikipedia. richard tice that's always dangerous. richard james suddenly. tice was to suddenly be all about his sort of old family name. oh, that's nice. you were born 1964 in farnham.

you were born 1964 in farnham. you educated at independent uppingham school . so at least uppingham school. so at least one of possible i mean, they one of the possible i mean, they normally into don't pretend normally get into don't pretend you've for you. you've got that going for you. you received a bachelor's degree from university of salford. i didn't gone to didn't think you'd have gone to university hometown. the university in my hometown. the way see they that's way we see they work, that's fantastic. and go out alive fantastic. and you go out alive and i got out alive. yeah, .i did and i got out alive. yeah, .i did a year industrial degree a four year industrial degree saas, there, year saas, two years there, one year in and hardest in industry. and the hardest thing , of course, when you do thing, of course, when you do thatis thing, of course, when you do that is actually back. that is actually going back. yeah, was, it was yeah, but yeah, it was, it was great. it was a proper degree. we were doing whatever it was 30, 35 hours lectures a week and it was very technical. how you a normal person compared to those two. well firstly , i went to two. well firstly, i went to university in sofia , but that's university in sofia, but that's not enough. that's for not richard. i need more than that . richard. i need more than that. so my first job was actually work in the post office, right? yep. doing doing christmas sorting mail before christmas and then i learned silver service being a bomb and that's quite posh. yeah. were you know i but i was the, i was the bomb

and bags and digging trenches on and bags and digging trenches on a construction site in the freezing cold snow of nima this is better keep it going . come on is better keep it going. come on what else? so that was that. i mean , you know, you learn some mean, you know, you learn some rough jokes when you're digging trenches with some irish irish labourers, because that's your background property developing . background property developing. that's right. construction property , my background. that's property, my background. that's how i sort of cut my teeth and yeah, if you cut me in half, real estate oozes through the family, i mean my grandfather was in estate shortly after the war. and it's one of these times when actually the planners did a very job because unbelievably, my to my grandfather wanted to demolish and replace it demolish the ritz and replace it with boring 1950s office block. i mean, that's the strange world. wow. happened then. that's posh again, though. that's my posh again, though. your grandfather nearly demolished rest. there's demolished the rest. there's nothing posh about that i would have appalling thing to have been an appalling thing to do. so then start do. well okay, so then you start . so where did you political where does that join the conservative , weren't conservative party, weren't you. yeah, had interest yeah, i always had an interest in and i always wanted in politics and i always wanted to spend part of my career

working in business, hopefully trying to be successful , and trying to be successful, and then saying, well, i'll find a way to give something back and politics to sort of freely. yeah we really that's what every politician says. no, it's not. most of them get most of them. they they leave oxford university or cambridge, they go into think and then they into a think tank and then they become mp. most them are become an mp. most of them are never a proper job in the never done a properjob in the world. many of them have dug trenches. no, no. there you are. not enough. go on. so you want to that wanted to make a to that you wanted to make a difference. to give difference. i want to give something was something back and i was i always had a thing about europe. i campaigned us not to i campaigned hard for us not to join euro. and then i was join the euro. and then i was very concerned about the eu. so i just sort of came into i just i just sort of came into i just i just sort of came into i big , fully listed i ran a big, fully listed multinational property group for four years between 2010 and 14. so you got plenty of money. so because you've got to have plenty. but i must confess , i plenty. but i must confess, i played hard. so you've not got that much, but you've got in order to start a political party, you need backing. like let's be honest, you need

resources , need a big team yeah resources, need a big team yeah i'll think of it now how many people you going to start to the next election. 630 shosh and i've got 600 already so we are not mucking about. we're standing everywhere except. northern ireland. people haven't believed , are they? not us who ? believed, are they? not us who? my believed, are they? not us who? my candidates for the people have it to people who have handed it to the people who don't there are don't believe me, there are enough keep them under enough because keep them under risk. to me. all your candidates, the candidates, of course, the people they are good people and almost have to go through almost you have to go through the vetting and all the process of vetting and all that. you there's that. and you know, there's the reality though , what i'm reality is, though, what i'm saying our candidate i will saying to our candidate i will ordinary candidates you've done stuff stand everywhere stuff and we stand everywhere and i think we standing on a completely different approach . completely different approach. you definitely are. richard tice , i think we got to know you a little bit better. i think there's still a lot more. there is. i myself, a political entrepreneur. well, we entrepreneur. well, that's we need something i me need need something i me we need something richard thank you so much giving up your friday night, that it i'm night, right? that is it i'm done for tonight that was really fun monday morning

fun. join me on monday morning at 10 am. for best time to say. but coming up next, it's mark mark dolan. but first, the weather. good evening. many of us on a dry friday, but the first weekend of the year will be dominated by shower . lots of be dominated by shower. lots of showers, often heavy coming through on a fairly gusty wind and it'll start to turn a little cooler as well. pretty mild tonight, but we're kind of between weather systems or have been through the day, which is why most of us have been dry. but these weather now but these weather fronts now edging the west are edging in from the west are bringing conditions and bringing wet conditions and quite heavy rain moving across northern into scotland, northern ireland into scotland, particularly south wales and particularly for south wales and southwest england . that heavy southwest england. that heavy rain through the early hours could cause few problems. so could cause a few problems. so we have a metaphor, a yellow we do have a metaphor, a yellow warning place. of warning in place. much of eastern stay dry eastern england will stay dry overnight. northern ireland will turn dry after midnight. temperatures actually rising in many places through the night. we start the weekend in double digits. also start with digits. we also start with a fair bit of rain around. still some heavy rain for wales and south west england especially. first that rain will move first thing that rain will move eastwards, eventually turning up

, of course, east anglia in the southeast during the morning and then the north then head out into the north sea, may linger across the easternmost england easternmost of england and scotland until around dusk it'll be followed drier, brighter weather for time. and then the showers get going. lots of heavy showers get going. lots of heavy showers zipping through on that gusty wind come afternoon. temperatures actually dropping a little through the afternoon as well. so feeding cooler than it has done, especially with the wind and especially if you get caught downpour of which caught in a downpour of which there be plenty more to there will be plenty more to come saturday evening as come through saturday evening as a showery night, it come through saturday evening as a showery night , it gets come through saturday evening as a showery night, it gets very windy more in the north of windy once more in the north of scotland , and that leads into a scotland, and that leads into a blustery, gusty day on sunday with further heavy to come, particularly for wales and southern england could be quite a wet day. parts the a wet day. parts of the south—east, north england, southern scotland northeastern scotland may not see too many showers. actually so here by and large, it could be a mostly dry day . and there will be sunny day. and there will be sunny spells elsewhere between , the spells elsewhere between, the showers, but the showers will keep coming gusty wind keep coming on that gusty wind

temperatures down close to average, but feeling cooler with the wind .

hello there. welcome back i'm bethany elsey with your top from the gb newsroom. ambulance workers are planning strike this month in their ongoing dispute over pay. more than 2600 members of unite walk out on monday. the 23rd across england and wales . 23rd across england and wales. new figures show record numbers ambulances over 40% had to wait more than half an hour hand over patients to a&e over. while the prime minister will host nhs recovery forum with health and care experts in downing tomorrow, rishi sunak hopes to discuss how to improve the nhs

performance and outcomes . the