good evening, everyone. you're watching neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio . tonight on news tv and on radio. tonight on the program, we'll be discussing the program, we'll be discussing the u.k. health security agency advice for people who are ill to resume wearing face masks. we'll be assessing prime minister rishi sunak education plans, including his eye catching idea for people to study maths until they turn 18. for that tums, my bod called . this is this week's bod called. this is this week's

great britain. as simon lee, who has helped hundreds of young people to overcome anxiety and other issues, plus plenty of chat with my brilliant panel. juue chat with my brilliant panel. julie cooke and tonia buxton . julie cooke and tonia buxton. all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from aaron armstrong . hi latest news from aaron armstrong. hi 6 am. out armstrong in the gb news room downing street have described today's discussions between nhs leaders and the prime minister as highly valuable . rishi sunak reiterated valuable. rishi sunak reiterated his commitment to provide £14 billion of additional funding for the health service and says the next steps will be set out shortly . the prime minister shortly. the prime minister hosted the crisis talks with health experts at number 10 in an effort to ease the pressure on the nhs. the chief executive of the day , lewis pharmacy of the day, lewis pharmacy group, j. patel says the talks were constructive . the session were constructive. the session with it was a small group of us have lots of insights into what the problems really are out

there. balance between community pharmacy and general practise and some great description of what the core issues are out there on the ground. the pm was very receptive to what we discussed and we explained the issues and swiftly moved on to looking at options that we could put into place to be able to rapidly if we can alleviate rapidly see if we can alleviate some challenges . some of those challenges. however, shadow public health minister andrew gwynne says further reforms are needed to fix the nhs crisis. every body who has an interest in the national health service really should be around the table trying to work out not only the short term measures that are needed to get us through the rest of this winter, but also how we then put health and social care policies attainable footing the kind of reforms that are needed, the kind of investment that's needed for the long term , not just sticking long term, not just sticking plasters . shelling in ukraine, plasters. shelling in ukraine, shelling is continuing in ukraine, despite russia's proposed 36 hour ceasefire missile strikes have been heard

in the eastern city of berkut. as one resident described the situation in their place. but the hour town used to be so beautiful . there were roses beautiful. there were roses everywhere . flowers. it was everywhere. flowers. it was clean . everything was kept in clean. everything was kept in order . clean. everything was kept in order. russia declared its forces would observe a unilateral ceasefire for orthodox christmas , which was orthodox christmas, which was immediately dismissed by kyiv as propaganda and a cynical trap. the kremlin claims its troops have only fired in retaliation to attacks from ukrainian forces . the foreign secretary has condemned iran's execution of two demonstrators. james cleverly called the hangings abhorrent and has urged the country to immediately end the violence against its own people . iran executed the two men for allegedly killing a member of its security forces during nationwide protests . following nationwide protests. following the death of the 22 year old kurdish iranian woman mussa

amini last september. police in the united states have arrested a six year old boy after he shot and seriously injured a teacher at a primary school in the state of virginia . officers say the of virginia. officers say the woman's injuries were initially thought to be life threatening , thought to be life threatening, but her condition has improved in hospital. the chief police officer says the shooting was not accidental and that the two had what has been described as an altercation. it is unclear how the child got hold of the handgun. how the child got hold of the handgun . the rmt says rail handgun. the rmt says rail companies at the heart of the long running dispute over pay made hundreds of millions of poundsin made hundreds of millions of pounds in profits. the union claims that big sums of money were generated when government awarded private operators new contracts during the pandemic. they say companies made up to £310 million in taxpayer funded profits between march 2020 and september 2020 to. it comes as the rmt and 14 rail operators

continue their 48 hour walkout over paid jobs and conditions. an mp have been urged to support paid leave for miscarriage. the proposal by an s&p member would grant three days of statutory paid leave to parents who experience a miscarriage before 24 weeks of pregnancy . angela 24 weeks of pregnancy. angela crawley says it would give parents the time they need to grieve. currently paid bereavement leave has only given furloughed stillbirth after 24 weeks. prince harry claims he was not the real best man at the wedding of his brother , the wedding of his brother, the prince of wales. in more leaked excerpts from the memoir, the duke of sussex reportedly says the role was fulfilled by his brother's two closest friends. he's also suggested king charles feared meghan would dominate the monarchy and steal the limelight from charles and camilla. referring back to his military days, harry says he killed 25 taliban fighters , a claim which taliban fighters, a claim which has been criticised by both the

british army and the taliban . british army and the taliban. finally, flood warnings are in place across england and wales as heavy downpours are set to hit the uk overnight. there are 27 flood warnings in place for england , with eight warnings in england, with eight warnings in place for wales. the scottish environment protection agency has also issued six flood alerts for scotland . tv, online and dab for scotland. tv, online and dab radio. this is gb news. now it is back to neil oliver live . is back to neil oliver live. thanks on all while reading around the subject of russia and ukraine this week, i came across the story of the potemkin village is a legend dismissed as mostly fiction by modern historians . mostly fiction by modern historians. has mostly fiction by modern historians . has 18th century historians. has 18th century russian statesmen grigori potemkin building a phoney villages along the banks of the

neutral river just for a fact to create a useful illusion. his lover, catherine the great, and her foreign guests were due to sail down the river on a tour and potemkin. the story goes. wanted to give them an impressive show of a populous and thriving nation. as i say, the idea is largely dismissed now. but the term potemkin village has stuck and is still used today to describe the lengths to which the leaders of a failing, broken country might go to in order to create the illusion of success and prosperity. when the truth is altogether different, i read about the idea and it occurs to me that here in britain we're actually living in a potemkin village invited by our leaders. the popular a phoney facade and pretend or god help us actually believe as if everything is fine , but nothing is fine. the fact is, the stories are telling us about this country of ours is almost entirely a contract, a persuasive only if you don't look too closely at the flimsy plasterboard truth of the creation. when it came to potemkin village is real or a

myth. it was only outsiders who were to be fooled. they were just passing through. after all, the crucial difference for us brits is that the fakery all around us is not supposed to trick the tourists. it's most important function is to try and convince us , the taxpaying convince us, the taxpaying citizens, all is well when citizens, that all is well when it most emphatically is not. look at this poodle place and wonder at how much fakery has been erected . and remember all been erected. and remember all the time that we're also taxed right up the wazoo for our continued occupation the continued occupation of the shoddy reality some of us see around us . there's so much around us. there's so much wrong. it's hard to know where to begin. year after year, we haemorrhage and cash haemorrhage more and more cash into a national health service that what just see. it that isn't what just to see. it isn't a national health service . free at the point of delivery is all very well. but it means nothing if you can't get yourself to that point of delivery got delivery while you've still got a pulse. simply , the a pulse. quite simply, the sacred white elephant that sacred cow white elephant that is or has been the nhs is demonstrably incapable of doing the job for it . the job intended for it. infuriatingly, politicians of every stripe insist on calling

it our nhs as though it were a beloved family member. but it's not about use of our is simply to deter us from ever criticising it. waiting lists grew ever longer. criticising it. waiting lists grew ever longer . sick and grew ever longer. sick and injured people wait in agony and desperation for ambulances that don't come or not for many hours . we're actually told not to bother being nhs, to do all we can to avoid needing the service we pay for. and so trusting people will be suffering in silence in their homes , not silence in their homes, not reporting the health concerns to the gp's, the lumps, the stubborn coughs, the blood putting off the call for help that might save the lives until it's too late. but the nhs is only one part. admittedly a hugely expensive part of this land of make believe or no longer policed by consent . longer policed by consent. rather, the police force . and it rather, the police force. and it is a force now, in lieu of a service , has been bent around service, has been bent around political or ideological will. some protest groups are deemed good. some protest groups are deemed good . just stop oil extinction good. just stop oil extinction rebellion insulate britain black lives matter, unfed and biscuits

while they blocked roads and smashed windows protected from any and all opposing views. others exposing opinions that fly in the face of the latest ideological kink or political diktat . protests about so—called diktat. protests about so—called vaccine , sort about lockdowns or vaccine, sort about lockdowns or illegal immigration often prompt the unleashing of the man on horseback. the riot shields claims without violence that effectively decriminalise no blind eyes and deaf ears are turned to burglary to break into cars, to broad daylight theft from shops and businesses and the like . under resourced and the like. under resourced and overworked forces haven't the capacity for investigating any. but the most appalling crimes. even then, it's a lottery in which most of the tickets are losers. a women has something like a one in 77 chance of seeing her rapist convicted. it's increasingly true to see that crime has no consequence in this country. help yourself do what you feel like. and if you do have the astonishing bad luck to actually get arrested, why not just self—identify as innocent? the safest lane to

take. if you want to get on in this potemkin village of ours is that men are women. if they see they are almost without exception. our most senior politicians are unable, or at least absolutely unwilling to see a woman actually is . if see what a woman actually is. if we're safe to see that a we're not safe to see that a woman is an adult, human, female . what reality are we . what kind of reality are we living in anyway? even some of the shapes moving around in our potemkin village just potemkin village are just characters in borrowed costumes . the palace of westminster is yet another fake structure within the potemkin village, a facade with nothing of meaningful substance behind it. parliaments are duke putin's simple, bad enough that for generations the house of commons has been dominated and therefore utterly compromised by the party system. now those parties might as well be one vote conservative vote labour, vote liberal. it makes no difference . there is makes no difference. there is but one ideology, no ideology of control, of telling us the little people when to jump and how high. everywhere you look , how high. everywhere you look, truth has been replaced by falsehood , fakery and lies. fake

falsehood, fakery and lies. fake news for a fake village . news for a fake village. mountains of data reveal that the products marketed as vaccines are no such thing. they don't stop infection. they do not stop transmission . they not stop transmission. they don't stop an infected person getting sick. they don't keep an infected person out of hospital. and they don't stop an infected person dying . by any measure, person dying. by any measure, those products released under emergency use authorise and demonstrate that the cause of countless deaths and injuries are at best a facade, a front , are at best a facade, a front, an optical illusion intended to make the masses move in the direction desired by the leaders. whatever way you cut it, those products don't work as advertised . and yet still the advertised. and yet still the advertising slash propaganda campaigns are up and running right now to this very minute , right now to this very minute, pushing needles into as many arms as possible, including those of healthy six month old babies. talking heads still trumpet the nonsense that the vaccine rollout was an unqualified success. stuffed shots that stood at the forefront of the pandemic, pushing the medical product, pushing the medical product, pushing the medical product, pushing the lockdowns, pushing the face masks were honoured for

their efforts then and remain on now , even as the data makes it now, even as the data makes it increasingly plain to me at least, that what was inflicted upon our population was an unforgivable wrong , fake meat of unforgivable wrong, fake meat of the realm for our potemkin village. prime minister rishi sunak, elected by none of us, and therefore a fake prime minister has promised to halt the flow of illegal migrants onto british shores. but i say he'll do no such thing. in fact, i say he doesn't even have any intention of stopping that flow. any every british government any and every british government promises to protect our borders. this not fake promise with this is not a fake promise with nothing it. our nothing behind it. our landscapes are littered with wind turbine arms, and yet millions can barely afford to heat their homes because one way or another are allowed access or another we are allowed access to most obvious and reliable to the most obvious and reliable sources of energy . drax power sources of energy. drax power station used to bottle coal. now it wants wood pellets obtained by cutting down ancient forests in canada that campaigners there say are vital for fighting climate change by banning coal

and bottling ancient forests , and bottling ancient forests, drax is considered green and so in recent years has received drax is considered green and so in recent years has receive d £6 in recent years has received £6 billion in government subsidies. drax now emits more greenhouse gases than when it burned coal . gases than when it burned coal. drax might be held up as the epitome of the fakery of the misnamed green agenda. the green agendais misnamed green agenda. the green agenda is not about green. rather, it's about greed. there's even fake meat and fake milk and fake cheese and scores of other fake products beside it. where else would you serve in a potemkin village, after all but fake food ? most of the media but fake food? most of the media is pushing the fake agenda entirely appropriate in a potemkin village as we speak. the ramping up, the same old fear of a covid but illness with the threat risk now to most of the threat risk now to most of the common cold. they seem determination to ignore everything learned over everything we've learned over the last three years. actors on stage wear masks, and so must we. while more and more of the population wakes up to the lies, obfuscation, fearful and propaganda around the so—called vaccine are in the green agenda

are gender politics and race politics. the majority of the news media obediently pumps out the same old tosh about safe and effective and climate crisis , effective and climate crisis, and prefer pronouns and race baiting . but the fakery has been baiting. but the fakery has been swiftly and shoddily constructed without the foundation of truth . for that reason, this potemkin village thrown up around us is flimsy and should be easily demolished if we wish it so . demolished if we wish it so. underneath it, all too quiet for too long. we know the truth of britain. most of us comprehend every day that beyond a shadow of a doubt, our leaders have tried to hoodwink us into believing things that simply believing things that are simply not true. the ultimate potemkin village is all lies, no truth. the eye wateringly expensive nhs gas costs rising year on year is no longer a health service for all in any way that matters. i see the green agenda is a fraud , as is the climate crisis that underpins it. the assertion that little boys can grow up to be women and that little girls can grow up to be men allies, that our government means to protect our government means to protect our is fiction . a our borders is a fiction. a parliament which over mighty

parliament in which over mighty polluting, indistinguishable political parties dictate the law to the people . whether those law to the people. whether those people, or not, is people, like or not, is a shameful setting aside of the sovereignty of we, the people of this country . parliament sovereignty of we, the people of this country. parliament is not and was never to be and was never meant to be sovereign. we the people are sovereign. we the people are sovereign. this is the foundation stone of magna carta, sealed in 1215 and an unshakeable soul. it knows it was then. any attempt to register rights, freedoms and liberties enshrined in our treaty are, by definition , treaty are, by definition, beyond the power of any parliament. here's the thing our sovereignty as people was sealed by that treaty of 12. 15 parliaments have come and tried to ride roughshod over the people again and again. and those parliaments have gone one of many attempts to repeal magna carta was even made in 1969, while the general public were conveniently distract it by the moon landings. i've said it before and i'll say again , we before and i'll say again, we see them. we see the fakery that they have raised around us. but our rights are real. our belief in britain is real. isn't it time to see past the shaky stage

set thrown up around us as a distraction and to take shelter instead in true britain? real britain . britain. oliver is my opinion, of course, and you're free to disagree. keep your tweets and emails coming all through the show. you can email gb views at gb news dot uk. you can tweet me as well at gb news and i'll try to get to your comments later in the show . let's meet my panel , the show. let's meet my panel, author and journalist julie cooke , and the broadcaster and cooke, and the broadcaster and restaurateur tonia buxton . what restaurateur tonia buxton. what do you think , tonya? well, the do you think, tonya? well, the ndp's ever bothered to listen to us again, or they just keep going in the parallel reality, unless we have a really strong revolution we change the way revolution and we change the way parliament works. i can't see how that ever listened to us again. and every time i'm on with you, neil, i move by the truth of your truth that comes out of your mouth, is the exact

mouth, which is the exact opposite of what we get from our politicians from politicians and from the mainstream media. and it's abhorrent and it must change. we need we are owed the truth. we are the citizens of this country. as you said, we are sovereigns and we deserve to get the truth . julie, do you have the truth. julie, do you have faith in much here in great britain? no. is that an institution or an authority that you look at and think, yes, that that's speaks for me? or in any event , at least trust it? no no. event, at least trust it? no no. and i say that as someone who always used to have a place where i felt i had a political home. so i never heard vote for. i knew what i believed in. and there were very obvious differences between the parties. and you had a choice that was there that you could identify with. and i think for the first time in my lifetime, i don't feel that anymore. i you know, we had rishi sunak this week and keir starmer. if you scrambled them up together, i wouldn't be able to tell you who said what. to i don't feel to be honest, i don't feel there's diverse voices out there

for any more. so, for us to follow any more. so, no, i don't. at the moment feel much confidence at all. that is right. you that if you right. what you said that if you were take the speeches and were to take the speeches and just solid out of them. just make a solid out of them. yeah it wouldn't matter. it wouldn't matter. right. what? pushed already going to pushed for time already going to break. after which as pressure break. after which, as pressure mounts this winter, mounts on the nhs, this winter, the health secretary at the uk health secretary at health security agency, rather has issued new advice, suggesting people feeling ill should return to wearing face masks. i'll have an expert on to debate the merits of the plan .

welcome back to nearly all of our live oak. our face masks making a comeback. i think it's a question on the lips of many this week. last week the uk health secretary health security agency advised the dawning of face coverings once more as the nhs battles , overcrowding and

nhs battles, overcrowding and predicts the highest waiting times on record . we had all that times on record. we had all that before . joining me now to before. joining me now to consider the advice is dr. david strain from the university of exeter and medical school . are exeter and medical school. are you there ? hello there. thank you there? hello there. thank you there? hello there. thank you for joining you there? hello there. thank you forjoining me. hello, neal. hello when so much evidence has stacked up, seeing masks make no difference. even that they don't work at to stop the spread of a respiratory virus. what's the point of masks? so there are 2 to 2 types of masks that we can sit out those masks that work as source control and a second group of mass that can actually work, protect the individuals. now, in order to protect an individual , now, in order to protect an individual, you need the and 95 they really high pro and respirator is it's all the things that we get when we're deaung things that we get when we're dealing with covid patients in hospital . now, i to stress hospital. now, i want to stress that's not what the youth uk health security agency is

talking about at moment . talking about at the moment. well, they're talking about to reduce risk of spread . so if reduce the risk of spread. so if you think about the face masks that we they're that we have, they're effectively the like a big grill and the covid virus is like a pe. you're not pe will shoot through the grill. really, really easily. those masks are not there to protect the individual are wearing them. however if you think about that grill and those piece, again, the virus doesn't come out as an individual. it comes out as a bit composed like a baguette piece in a big frozen bag. and if that hits the grill, it stays on the inside. and so what the uk, nhs was talking about is people who are potentially symptomatic with covid or flu or any of the other viruses, if they were to wear a mask, then as they are breathing it out in the droplet , as it's as they are breathing it out in the droplet, as it's coming out, when they're talking, when they're having those conversations , the virus would conversations, the virus would be held on the inside of a mask and therefore reduce the risk of spreading it to people around them who may not be vaccinated or may not have the protection

from the vaccine. i understand the theory . i hear what you're the theory. i hear what you're saying, although i've also read that when the when people breathe out the bubble or whatever, as you're talking about, actually gets sort of atomised by passing through the grill and actually lot more airborne particles. if i understand what you're talking about, but where does the evidence is that any face mask actually has any positive effect when it comes to stopping transmission ? you know, we as transmission? you know, we as the players, the peer reviewed research that conclusively shows that if you wear a mask, you're not going to spread your infection . there's now infection. there's now a considerable series of data that's been collected over time, looking at this that is a source control . so i think one of the control. so i think one of the best set of data comes from 374 south end individuals who were wearing masks versus people in the state nearby . so these are the state nearby. so these are in the usa 374,000 mask, whereas versus a married population in the states. and what it

demonstrated was even 10% of the population in wearing the mask reduce the likelihood of the disease spreading by approximately two thirds. and that's one of many, many cases as there's many of them. and there's been a great study in massachusetts looking in health care workers looked at 9850 health care workers. so this is not the people in the covid service. this is people in the general health service and i welcome the demonstration in that particular population, as if we had universal mask wearing . it reduced the number of new infectious persons by over half. it was actually 51% that demonstrate it that there's been population based, study based in germany and the usa and they've also shown this similar picture that mask wearing is all about source control. so it's not protecting you, it's protecting the people around you and now we're in a day that people who are vaccinated get very, very few symptoms from the icu . few symptoms from the icu. rightly said that for many people fully vaccinated, the

covid is nothing more than the common cold. but that doesn't mean it's the case for everybody, particularly the elderly , particularly the elderly, particularly the immunocompromised. so actually what the uk say is asking is basically where a mask because you care about your fellow man, not because you're scared of the virus yourself, but that that that rhetoric has been dismissed and discounted over and over again. i mean, for every paper that you're quoting and every every bit of research that you're quoting that says that they have a beneficial effect. there are other esteemed experts who absolutely who say that they do absolutely nothing in fact, in nothing at all. and in fact, in many cases are counterproductive. you know, it's holding it's holding infection bacteria infection and other bacteria against face. you re against your face. you re breathing your own infection if you which good you have it, which is not good for your lungs. that's even before we get to all the impact of the face mask wearing has on kids . you know we saw them kids. you know we saw them wearing masks my kids do for 8 hours a day at school or whatever was very detrimental to people's emotional well—being. adults included , you know, is it adults included, you know, is it surely, surely the balance of

probability , the bulk of the probability, the bulk of the evidence shows that reintroducing masks is about reinforcing the message of fear and reintroducing the idea that people who are good citizens wear masks and people who are bad citizens don't know what the uk hates to say have said that. you can just say have come out and just said if you are symptomatic, if you feel that you have a viral infection , the you have a viral infection, the best way to show that you care about your fellow man and to make sure that you don't get that virus is either stay at home and therefore don't spread it. and mean, that's just make it. and i mean, that's just make sense. you don't sense. if you're sick, you don't really to be going really want to be going out anyway do need to go, anyway or if you do need to go, if you go in shopping, if you go in to engage and then if you're feeling sick, if you've got a viral illness, if you wear a mask, it will keep that virus in front i i do agree front of you. i mean, i do agree that do end up breathing in that you do end up breathing in these bacteria. you end up breathing the virus. but breathing in the virus. but remember, they all viruses remember, they are all viruses as that we are as there are bugs that we are breathing the only breathing back in. the only reason they're in there in the first is because we

first place is because we actually they in our lungs actually they were in our lungs and parts of us, they and that parts of us, they should be changed regular should be changed on a regular basis. and i actually i do agree with this this concept with you that this this concept that of them is that reusing of them is contributes to the whole global picture. we shouldn't by now be having better masks that have the waterproof, but are not contributing to these particles plastics. and that is something that people working on when it comes with these effects . adls comes with these effects. adls broaden and i said to my to my guests here in the studio telling you what do you make listening to as it's worth two years three years on and we're still hearing the same stuff. i mean, these studies that he's talking about are, you know, as you there are many you said, there are many opposing studies. the one study that to be the one that was supposed to be the one is danish study was is the danish study that was done on masks. and that danish study done by a group that study was done by a group that were masks. and came to were pro masks. and they came to the masks do the conclusion that masks do absolutely and nothing absolutely nothing and nothing good , nothing, nothing good at good, nothing, nothing good at all, except glee. so the fact of the matter is , is that, you

the matter is, is that, you know, and this this constant nudge and propaganda to wear a mask, if you're a good human being, wear a mask. if you're not good being, you not a good human being, you don't a mask. and this in don't wear a mask. and this in itself, of this itself, the language of this doctor is using i find doctor professor is using i find really sinister . doctor professor is using i find really sinister. i find it unpleasant . julie, what do you unpleasant. julie, what do you make of it? i mean, i just feel as if it's groundhog day. we're told all this years ago and it's back again. despite mountains of evidence that speak to the contrary. and we know how much harm masks do . yeah, i mean, harm masks do. yeah, i mean, i'll be honest with you. during the pandemic, at the beginning, i was mosque wearer. i was i was a mosque wearer. i was because afraid. i was because i was afraid. i was afraid of this unknown, awful disease was going kill disease that was going to kill us i wore my mask. but us all. and i wore my mask. but as went on and i've seen as time went on and i've seen the studies and i've seen that the studies and i've seen that the studies and i've seen that the studies now say that they don't necessarily unless don't work necessarily unless they washed . they have be they are washed. they have to be they are washed. they have to be the have to be washed the n95. they have to be washed every days. we all have every 3 to 5 days. we all have to have the quality mask to have the same quality mask for to even begin to work. for it to even begin to work. and that's not the case. so i'm not i'm not anti i believe covid exists. i believe we need to

sort it out. but i am now against it. i wouldn't wear it now for two reasons. one, i don't think they work on the whole for everybody. and number two, i think that saying it now and also linking it to safety . and also linking it to safety. nhs if you wear a mask, i think as tony said, that's quite offensive because it's putting the onus to save the nhs. the onus on us to save the nhs. but actually there's so much more know to saving the more as we know to saving the nhs. about you wearing nhs. it's not about you wearing a to help save your granny, a mask to help save your granny, not getting into the ambulance in time. i think you do need to look at how damaging masks can be to humanity. you know, how damaging our damaging they've been to our children, they've to children, what they've done to our what they our mental health, and what they are to the planet. are doing to the planet. but i don't see full of billions of masks that do nothing against an airborne virus . i'm sorry. i'm airborne virus. i'm sorry. i'm going to have disagree with going to have to disagree with you. i'm not a doctor, you. i know i'm not a doctor, but studies day in, day but i read studies day in, day out about masks, and i have not read single study that's read a single study that's conclusive . that can do any conclusive. that mask can do any good, i have read many good, but i have read many, many studies saying masks are doing a lot of damage. dr. strain , is it

lot of damage. dr. strain, is it fair to keep leaning on people in that way that you continue to do seeing, you know, if you have respect and care for your fellow man, you wear a mask , you know, man, you wear a mask, you know, thatis man, you wear a mask, you know, that is a that's a rapid fashion of part of what was clearly revealed as nudge unit strategy to corral people to influence behaviour because we were simply to be brought into line, we are just here talking about people who are feeling unwell themselves with a virus. we're in a day where you don't need to isolate if you have a virus, you, you , you, you, you can be you, you, you, you, you can be continuing with life as normal . continuing with life as normal. and this is just a step along the same lines as you wouldn't sneeze in a person's face, you wouldn't coughing a person's face. unfortunately if you are carrying this virus , you will be carrying this virus, you will be breathing it into a person's face. i mean , the study that face. i mean, the study that you're talking about there , that you're talking about there, that danish study by ben garth that demonstrated no meaningful difference. it's important say that study was comparing cloth masks to the surgical face masks

that those comparing face mask versus cloth mask versus nothing. well that demonstrate it was that there was a numerical but not a significant benefit from having one of those facial waterproof surgical mask versus a cloth mask. that's not saying that they were beneficial. it's saying that actually, if you are protecting the people around you and we are only talking about people who are sick . yes. if i'm not are sick. yes. if i'm not feeling sick, if i don't have a cough and cold, i don't need to wear a mask. likewise none of you would need to wear a mask if you would need to wear a mask if you were unwell , if you were you were unwell, if you were coughing, if you are sneezing , coughing, if you are sneezing, that good time to be that is a good time to be protecting the people around you. exact li the same way you. an exact li the same way you. an exact li the same way you would or sneeze into you would cough or sneeze into your arm. the problem is with these viral particles , they these full viral particles, they can be on your breath . and i can be on your breath. and i do also agree that this is not actually about saving the nhs. there are far more funds , mental there are far more funds, mental problems going on with the funding of the nhs over the last 10 to 15 years. that needs

sorting out not just putting a mask on. that's a bit of a nonsense. this is all about just the respect. if you are unwell at the time for your fellow man, i would say to you doctor, it was incremental. the last time you know, everything started with it's only going to be about , know, restrictions are , you know, the restrictions are only going to affect the elderly are only only the elderly and the to take the at risk need to take vaccinations. always vaccinations. and it was always incremental gradually incremental and then gradually it from a small it spread from a small identified group until everybody had to vaccinated. everybody had to get vaccinated. everybody had to get vaccinated. everybody had masks. and to had to wear face masks. and to me, sounds like the me, that's just sounds like the thin the wedge. thin end of the wedge. once again, raise the subject of face masks. whichever face mask you want to call an n95 or the other, or the paper mask or whatever. but once they start appearing there on the appearing out there on the street the nudge street again and the nudge is if you're a person, you wear you're a good person, you wear one of these. and if you're a bad person, you don't. i just see two or three years into see it two or three years into this pandemic yet this so—called pandemic yet again, being pushed be again, we're being pushed to be controlled and to live in fear of one another. so let me just say, i will not wear a mask if i

am not unwell. i personally and l, am not unwell. i personally and i, i regard myself as a good person. i mean, they're seeing the covid patients even today. and i still regard myself as a good person. i am not wearing a mask when i go to the shops , mask when i go to the shops, when i go to the post of my friend, this is just talking about people who are unwell at the time and similarly that whole conversation, i mean, we had a conversation about this mandatory vaccination and even at the time i absolutely stated, although i am very much in favour of vaccination, it must be about personal choice , it be about personal choice, it must be about weighing up those . and i think we actually had the conversation that there is no way i would give a vaccine to somebody who didn't want it. i think this mask is something else. this is just about protecting around you protecting people around you while you are coughing, whilst you are unwell. and none of us at this moment in time, whilst we all well would be expected to do it, i actually we don't need to go back to that full mandatory mask saying masking. we don't need to go back to any

of those things. but these are the small steps we can do to make sure that whatever the new variant comes along, whether it be this x be 1.5 or anything else , it rears its ugly head else, it rears its ugly head that we don't end up in a position where we have any of those infringe mints on our liberty just by protecting one another. when we have that common sense. if you're sick , common sense. if you're sick, try not to spread it . dr. david try not to spread it. dr. david strain from the exit of university medical school. thank you. always interesting to have your point of view and we'll catch up with that sort of future. i'm quite never future. i'm quite sure. never have another break have to go into another break after which pm rishi sunak wants all school pupils to study maths in some form until the age of 18. education expert and friend of neil oliver live tom buick will be here to discuss the proposal .

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wants all school pupils in england to study maths until. they're 18. in his first speech of 2023, a wish list you might call it, or an early letter to santa. he said he wanted people to feel confident the finances. critics say it won't be possible without more . surprise, without more. surprise, surprise. but as even appropriate to compel every pupil to make time for maths right up until they leave school . joining me to see if sunak's plan adds up is education specialist and friend of the show, tom hewitt callow, tom. happy new year. good evening, neal. happy new year. good evening, neal . what do you think of this neal. what do you think of this idea, tom, as opposed to your list . what do you think of this list. what do you think of this idea of the pundits overuse but the sum definitely do not add up. i mean , first of all, this up. i mean, first of all, this idea that we're an outlier in maths as a country actually ended up with masses. the most popular subject . all those popular subject. all those students that have to , if you

students that have to, if you like, progress onto other a—levels or other vocational qualifications. if they haven't got their master gcse, they have to reset maths . so really it was to reset maths. so really it was a bit of a non policy actually that the prime minister announced this week. and what troubles me it, i mean he said himself that this was personal for him . of course he went to for him. of course he went to the £45,000 a year in today's prices, winchester college . prices, winchester college. that's a ratio it's do the maths that's 7.1 times the average cost of a state secondary school pupil . we spend about cost of a state secondary school pupil. we spend abou t £6,000 on pupil. we spend about £6,000 on them. so for me it just seemed like a huge deflection away from what the real issue is in our education system is ten years of chronic underfunding. in fact , chronic underfunding. in fact, secondary school funding in england has flatlined since 2010 in terms of adult education, which is where the real problem is , there are 8 million adults is, there are 8 million adults that don't have these basic numeracy skills. we've got adult education classes by 40% in the

last ten years. so there are so many other issues. frankly, the prime minister could have got a handle of with his big speech this week. i remember when i was at school, maths and arithmetic were two separate subjects , were two separate subjects, which is set to different classrooms, sat, different exams in in each . i can understand up in in each. i can understand up to a point wanting to make people competent in relation to something like the finances . but something like the finances. but maths, you know , surely the maths, you know, surely the complexity and the nuances of maths are are above the heads and unnecessary anyway for most people unless they are really wired up to pursue that kind of subject . exactly. and that's why subject. exactly. and that's why we have the gcse maths at level two, which if you like is functional maths. it's maths for citizenship and it's absolutely right . we have that right. we have that qualification . but if you're qualification. but if you're pursuing maths beyond that, really it's about those are destined for the scientific subjects . and to be fair, you subjects. and to be fair, you

know, we do have an issue in our universities. i think 40% of those who are on so—called stem subjects don't have level three or the equivalent of advanced level maths . so that will be an level maths. so that will be an issue for those particular institutions . but actually, what institutions. but actually, what about expanding history to 80, making that a compulsory subject? what about expanding drama, the arts, creativity . drama, the arts, creativity. this country in more recent decades has made its way in the world in being, if you like , you world in being, if you like, you know, an empire of the mind , a know, an empire of the mind, a sort of essentially we're a cultural hub for the rest of the world, of course, aided by the fact that our language is a world language these days . so world language these days. so there were lots of other subject choices , frankly, that you could choices, frankly, that you could say that were worthy. they are deserving of universality up until the age of 18. as i say, i think what really troubles me about this week's announcement is it's a huge deflection away from the real issue , which is from the real issue, which is the underfunding of education in our country. just take the recent lockdowns. there's 100,000 pupils disappeared off

the school rolls. that's a problem that needs tackling by the prime minister and by the education secretary. we're spending just £50 per pupil on catch up as a result of covid. that compares . to £800 in the that compares. to £800 in the united states an d £2,600 per united states and £2,600 per pupil in the netherlands. so i just think there are other burning platforms. the prime minister should have been standing on this week when it comes to the education of our kids. absolutely. julie it seems it seems to me that this is this is symptomatic of a different challenge that we have in education. and the in artificial intelligence . and that seems to intelligence. and that seems to me are going to overtake things, new medical things could faster than the overtake anything else . you know, isn't it misplaced to encourage people aren't even gifted mathematically to move into that subject. completely

and going back to what our guest just said, i would be far more confident about my finances if i knew that big businesses were paying knew that big businesses were paying their taxes you know, i would feel far more confident going forward in life as a young person if i felt that life was fair and if mathematics was being used by the government to make the correct people pay what they should, oh, that's my thing. also, i've got a thing. but also, i've got a child got children, 14 child, i've got two children, 14 and my son's about his and nine. my son's about his options. yes. buses imported. i think we should teach maths to a degree where we can cope in life. arithmetic getting, you know, getting your sums right. able pay something, learn able to pay for something, learn to best mortgage, get to pay the best mortgage, get the best, things like that. the best, etc, things like that. but people aren't but to force people who aren't mathematically minded, i, for example, was terrible at maths. i would have hated being forced to into maths. it would have to go into maths. it would have been you know. been awful. so wish, you know. no, don't need maths now. no, we don't need maths now. what need is i think he's what we need is i think he's almost. your house is on fire and he's saying should paint and he's saying should we paint that he's he's that wall blue. he's he's deflecting attention from much bigger and bigger issues at the moment and maths certainly not one of

maths is certainly not one of them. tonia why do think them. tonia why do you think he's coming this way? why he's coming at it this way? why single out what is obviously his pet subject, his favourite subject upon subject and inflicting upon a population with other things to think about? i it's think about? i think it's complete deflection, but may i add, i ask that my add, can i ask also that my daughter sophia has the first in her mass degree she was she her mass degree and she was she went state school. so what went to state school. so what are that that is what went to state school. so what are talking that that is what went to state school. so what are talking about.�*|at is what went to state school. so what are talking about. people hat went to state school. so what are talking about. people like i'm talking about. people like who her top of mind where who have her top of mind where maths is wonderful too but she still can planes about the basic math taught school she math that's taught at school she feels c level is not feels that gcse c level is not taughtin feels that gcse c level is not taught in a way that's practical for people to understand the finances in the further world. so he really wants to make so if he really wants to make a difference his favourite difference about his favourite subjects he should have subjects, what he should have doneis subjects, what he should have done is talked about redoing the gcse. shows people how to gcse. so it shows people how to pay gcse. so it shows people how to pay as we said, how to pay taxes and as we said, how to pay pay taxes and as we said, how to pay mortgages like pay mortgages and things like that. most important that. they're the most important things about life things to know about life and they get in gcse they don't get that in gcse maths. if he wanted to make maths. so if he wanted to make it something about his favourite subject, should subject, that's why he should have it was just all blush, have done it was just all blush, bluster, just to take our eyes off the real problem that we're

having today. tom having in society today. tom what? tonya sitting there makes sense you know , you sense to me. you know, you concentrate on the practicalities of in practicalities of life in a mathematical context, but still cut off at the point where a student , a cut off at the point where a student, a pupil, no longer feels it's appropriate, but that would be right to restructure things so that they were taught about tax and were taught about tax and they were taught you to contemplate you were taught to contemplate where money comes from and quantitative and the rest quantitative easing and the rest without be practical . without not be more practical. absolutely. and 12 years ago, neil, i was responsible actually for the country's scheme. for the country's uk scheme. this was a scheme in every school that was about giving young people all a £10 no and challenging them to turn it into a business, a viable business proposition. obviously, they learned all sorts of things dunng learned all sorts of things during that exercise. financial literacy , a how to read literacy, a how to read a balance sheet , how to open a balance sheet, how to open a bank account . you know, all the bank account. you know, all the things that tonya, for example, was about there, but was talking about there, but that cut by this government that was cut by this government in 2010. and, you know, they didn't restore it. so i think there's i think we're all agreeing on this panel. if the

challenge here is about ensuring citizenship , financial literacy, citizenship, financial literacy, that people don't feel cut off from society, then invest in aduu from society, then invest in adult education, invest in our third education colleges , third education colleges, restore that third education colleges, restore tha t £10 billion worth restore that £10 billion worth of cuts . he restore that £10 billion worth of cuts. he used to be restore that £10 billion worth of cuts . he used to be the of cuts. he used to be the chancellor, so, you know, i don't think the prime minister's got anywhere to run on this . he, got anywhere to run on this. he, with education secretary . my with the education secretary. my view, gillian keegan, of course. now that five of those in the last 12 months i'm trying to keep up with all the changes at the department for education but you there some serious you know, there are some serious policies that need addressing. and whilst , you know, universal and whilst, you know, universal maths might be appropriate maths to 18 might be appropriate for some , it's not appropriate for some, it's not appropriate for some, it's not appropriate for everyone . and we're not for everyone. and we're not going to get, frankly , but i'm going to get, frankly, but i'm not going to make any inroads. so bigger challenge, which so this bigger challenge, which we a on your we talked about a lot on your show, course , poor show, of course, poor productivity , high levels of productivity, high levels of tax, low growth , you know, all tax, low growth, you know, all the things that are driving everybody scatty at the moment. we're going to able to we're not going to be able to achieve anything that

achieve anything in that area unless we get focus on the big ticket items in education, a massive net. okay, thanks , tony. massive net. okay, thanks, tony. we're going to have to hold that thought because i'm taking pressure yet again. tom, education specialist, thank you very much for your common sense approach evening. you it's approach this evening. you it's approach this evening. you it's a severe break. we'll be meeting this great britain. i'll this week's great britain. i'll be welcome simon be delighted to welcome simon lee development lee, a personal development expert held hundreds of expert who has held hundreds of young people through difficult times .

we welcome back once again to neil oliver life. regular viewers of the show will know that i try and make a of drawing attention to those who give of themselves to help others and so contribute to making britain great. my great britain tonight is simon lee from kent, who endeavours help those suffering from anxiety and all sorts of other challenges in all the various forms and manifests patience . over three decades,

patience. over three decades, simon has established himself as a pioneer seeking new to coach personal development and to develop mental strength . good develop mental strength. good evening, simon . good evening . evening, simon. good evening. what led you in this direction ? what led you in this direction? you know, three decades in, what was it that made you think i can i can better direct people? well, for me, it was it was a an unfolding in my life, really. i came out of a very challenging childhood. it's very difficult . childhood. it's very difficult. but and it was a masterclass in how weak men create tough times. so we went through some very challenging situations . but so we went through some very challenging situations. but this experience was in necessity because. because it was so painful and so difficult, i wouldn't be able to do what i do today unless i've been through that. so actually, looking back on it, i'm glad it happened. i gained so much knowledge. it feels often feels to me at the moment that we're in the mess in in the world, in this country because of weak people .

because of weak people. absolutely. absolutely i really believe that. i mean, as a child, i saw it firsthand . i child, i saw it firsthand. i felt the experience up close of exactly how cruel they can be. and, you know , there's a and, you know, there's a societal belief that a strong man can be a problem is nothing compared to what a weak man will do. it's a real issue . so coming do. it's a real issue. so coming out of that experience , i out of that experience, i couldn't stay as it was. i had chronic depression, chronic anxiety. i was extremely traumatised and i didn't even know it was trauma . no one spoke know it was trauma. no one spoke about it decades ago . so about it decades ago. so i thought i can't live like this, so i'm going to go out and find a way for my own path so i can overcome and build a character i could be proud of and show people once i got there how to do the same. and that was the journey. and what did you do? what did what kind of challenges did yourself and how did did you set yourself and how did you way back to a you navigate a way back to a better frame of mind? well, i made big mistakes. first made some big mistakes. first big won southern big mistake was won i a southern england bodybuilding title,

which a lot of which which did take a lot of discipline. but it was all about external validation. i became how i looked, so i stood on stage with this first place trophy and i so i'm still absolutely . and so after that, absolutely. and so after that, i into a huge depression because i realised it hadn't worked and i went back to the martial arts after that i, did feel a folio for a long time because i my first addiction in life was overtraining . and i think when overtraining. and i think when you're a child, the first thing you're a child, the first thing you find to see is your own pain becomes your most potent addiction later on. for me, it was exercise is the only way i could find to soothe my pain. the ultimate levy to a long path of your own is how then did you find an equilibrium to the extent that you felt able , you extent that you felt able, you felt with something felt equipped with something that could pass on to others that you could pass on to others 7 that you could pass on to others ? well, have falling ill was ? well, i have falling ill was actually i think it saved my life because i then went into mindfulness meditation . i looked mindfulness meditation. i looked i started really delving into zen buddhism, stoic philosophy and these ancient philosophies.

it was all about peace , courage it was all about peace, courage and integrity . and i have found and integrity. and i have found the holy . these things were so the holy. these things were so powerful . it was what i was powerful. it was what i was looking for . so i put together looking for. so i put together a system i could and i out there started. i started teaching. so i went round local hospitals . i went round local hospitals. talking about my recovery . talking about my recovery. talking about my recovery. talking about my recovery. talking about these philosophies and the interest just built up gradually over time . and what gradually over time. and what kind of people are you able to help as it is all? is it, you know, is it people who are coming out of trauma? is it people? yes. i mean, normal life . i had to change. i know some some some teachers are also talking about this, but i had to change narrative of trauma because i really believe in post—traumatic growth over post—traumatic growth over post—traumatic harm. so when i started to give talks in schools and i talked talks to two young men, i used to say, who here put your hand up, had who's your hand up, who's had who's had time? it the had a tough time? it was the children. say, your mum children. i say, have your mum and dad split up? have you been through some tough times and you

always a minority hands always get a minority of hands going i'd say you've got going up? and i'd say you've got more potential. anyone in going up? and i'd say you've got morroomuntial. anyone in going up? and i'd say you've got morroom. and. anyone in going up? and i'd say you've got morroom. and for1yone in going up? and i'd say you've got morroom. and for the e in going up? and i'd say you've got morroom. and for the first in going up? and i'd say you've got morroom. and for the first time the room. and for the first time that each other and that you look at each other and think, wow, no one's ever said that before, i thought we first of sorry for ourselves. of feel sorry for ourselves. before, i thought were before, i thought we were supposed to victims. so i had supposed to be victims. so i had to because supposed to be victims. so i had t

than be the victim , than culture, to be the victim, to not go forward, to not do something it. and it can be something with it. and it can be it can that itself can become it can be that itself can become an addiction not just that. an addiction of not just that. a lot times the language it is lot of times the language it is the is changing the language the way is changing the language . it they imagine . it is just it they can imagine a room full of children, those that that they've been that feel that they've been damaged happened damaged by what's happened to them. told them them. and you've just told them that got to pretend to. that they've got to pretend to. so empowering is no one's so empowering for it is no one's told them that everyone else is saying we hope in cope. let's see a pull. you this shouldn't have happened. of course those things are but you've got things are true, but you've got to lead them somewhere else. otherwise that just stay there. yeah. what about the i, i know that you're very invested in, you know, exercise and training and for is that you and martial arts for is that you feel martial arts gives someone who has trauma , who has some who has trauma, who has some kind of anxiety. i think there's a quote by winston churchill and i really like it. he said , be i really like it. he said, be kind, but be fierce . and i think kind, but be fierce. and i think what trauma it disconnects you from your sense of self and you end up when i was a very, very

broken young man myself . but you broken young man myself. but you need to a man and a woman needs that fierceness as well because the fierce this will push it. it will let you change your dreams. it protect you. it will protect you. the kindness will instil integrity and be compassionate to your fellow man . i didn't have fellow fellow man. i didn't have any fierceness . it was locked any fierceness. it was locked him in, couldn't access it. i was terrified of everything. so itook was terrified of everything. so i took up martial arts to find that fierceness. and wow, when i opened that door, i had trouble controlling it for a while because it was unknown territory. i hadn't explored there. then i had this other there. so then i had this other struggle of getting it on a leash. once did, it was leash. but once i did, it was just a form of empowerment and it gave me conviction in my beliefs, in my words, and how i lived. peterson says lived. jordan peterson says over and again, talking to young and over again, talking to young men, they need to know that there's there is a monster there's that there is a monster inside of all of. absolutely. and if you pretend to yourself that you're nice, then that you're only nice, then you're much dangerous than you're much more dangerous than someone has identified someone who has identified the fact the fact that they're capable of the terrible. absolutely. and they know and the control know it's there. and the control that challenge. and that master at challenge. and

that master at challenge. and that a much more that makes them a much more complete person than someone who just says, i'm just a nice guy. and that most of the and that's why that most of the men i coach when i say to men that i coach when i say to them, who's your screen hero? they points rules daniel craig because that robust , because they want that robust, ultra masculine part of them within themselves so that they can bring a balance to who they are. so it's a really it's a really big one that that creation in chaos, that ability, that dark and light nature of a man, makes him more. he's the man, it makes him more. he's the one that won't be cruel because he has under control. he's he has it under control. he's the one that will be will do great things. he will be just he will be tony, in these will be strong. tony, in these times war, we've so much times of war, we've had so much for about toxic for years about toxic masculinity. think masculinity. i think particularly feel in relation particularly i feel in relation to, know, i've two sons, to, you know, i've got two sons, i've got a daughter, two sons, and they need that and i feel that they need that positive, message, that positive, positive message, that they do have something very important to give absolute lutely by dint of being male. absolutely like you. i've got i've got two boys. two and they're being emasculated all they're being emasculated all the time and told they can't be real men, that can't stress

real men, that they can't stress strength , strength, because then strength, strength, because then it's toxic. it's not going to show their. simon that was brilliant. i'm going to have to move on into the break, but thank you. sorry to cut you short. okay. that's the short. that's okay. that's the end of the first hour, but plenty more to come on the show. and after the break, we'll be hitting about hitting all about the technological advances, advancements. look advancements. we can look forward .

good evening, if you're just joining us. welcome back to the race to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio. coming up on the second hour of the program, we'll hearing about some of the amazing technological advances which could shape our lives in 2023. we'll also be hearing all about thor , the walrus, whose thor, the walrus, whose unexpected arrival at scarborough harbour led to

cancellation of a new year's eve fireworks display. nutritionist juliet campbell will be here with some tips on what we should be eating after the excesses of the festive season. and if that doesn't work. the green goddess diana moran will be here to give us some advice on keeping fit in the new year. all of that and more coming up. but first, an update latest news from update on the latest news from armstrong . and armstrong in gb armstrong. and armstrong in gb newsroom. downing street have described today's discussions between . nhs leaders and the between. nhs leaders and the prime minister as highly valuable. the prime has been holding crisis talks with those experts at number 10 in an effort to ease the pressure on the nhs . rishi sunak has the nhs. rishi sunak has reiterated his commitment to providing £14 billion of additional funding for the health service . chief executive health service. chief executive of the day lewis pharmacy group j. patel says the talks were constructive. the session with a small group of us have lots of

insights into what the problems really are out there. balancing between community pharmacy and general practise and some great description of what the core issues are out there on the ground. the pm was very receptive to what we discussed and we explained the issues and we swiftly moved to on looking at options that we could put into place to be able to rapidly see if we can alleviate some of those challenges. on shadow those challenges. on the shadow minister for public health, andrew gwynne says further reforms though are needed to fix the crisis. everybody who has an interest in the national health service really should around the table trying to work out not only the short term measures that are needed to get us through the rest of this winter , but also how we then health and social care policies , and social care policies, sustainable footing, the kind of reforms that are needed, the kind of investment that's needed for the long term , not just for the long term, not just sticking plasters . shellings sticking plasters. shellings continuing in ukraine despite russia's proposed 36 hour

ceasefire, missile strikes have been heard in the eastern city of berkut . as one resident of berkut. as one resident described the situation who spent the whole hour town used to be so beautiful . there were to be so beautiful. there were roses everywhere , flowers. it roses everywhere, flowers. it was clean . everything was kept was clean. everything was kept in order or 60% of parliament has now been destroyed. russia has now been destroyed. russia has declared its forces would observe a unilateral ceasefire for christmas that was immediately dismissed by kyiv as propaganda and as a trap. the kremlin, though, claims its troops have only fired in retaliation to attacks from ukrainian forces. retaliation to attacks from ukrainian forces . the foreign ukrainian forces. the foreign secretary has condemned iran's execution of two protesters. james cleverly . he called the james cleverly. he called the hangings abhorrent and has urged the country to immediately end the country to immediately end the violence against its own people. iran executed the two men for allegedly killing a member of the security forces dunng member of the security forces during nationwide demonstrations

following the death of the 22 year old kurdish iranian woman, mahsa khamenei, last september. police in the united states have arrested a six year old boy after he shot and seriously injured teacher at a primary school in the state of virginia . officers say the woman's injuries were initially thought to life threatening , but her to be life threatening, but her condition improved in condition has improved in hospital. the chief police officer has said the shooting was not an accident and the two had what has been described as an altercation. it's unclear how the child got hold of the handgun. the child got hold of the handgun . the rmt says rail handgun. the rmt says rail companies at the height of, the long running dispute over pay made hundreds of millions of pounds profits during the pounds of profits during the pandemic the claims huge pandemic. the union claims huge amounts of money were generated when governments, the government or awarded to private train operators new contracts during covid. operators new contracts during covm. they operators new contracts during covid. they say companies made up to £310 million in taxpayer funded profits between march 20 and september 20, 22. it comes as the rmt and 14 train

operators continue their 48 hour walkout. overpay jobs and conditions and pays have been asked to support paid leave for miscarriage. the proposal by a member of the snp would grant three days of statue tree paid leave to parents who experience a miscarriage before 24 weeks of pregnancy . angela crawley says pregnancy. angela crawley says it would give parents the time needed to grieve. currently pay bereavement leave is only given following stillbirth after . 24 following stillbirth after. 24 weeks. prince harry claims he was not the real best man at the wedding of his brother, the prince wales. in more leaked excerpts from his memoir, the duke of sussex reportedly says the role was fulfilled by the brothers . two closest friends. brothers. two closest friends. he also suggests king charles feared meghan would dominate the monarchy and steal the limelight from charles and camilla. referring back to his military days, harry says he killed 25 taliban fighters . a claim which

taliban fighters. a claim which has been criticised by both the british army and the taliban . british army and the taliban. and flood warnings are in place across england and wales as heavy downpours are set to hit the uk overnight. there are 27 flood warnings in place for england . eight more in place for england. eight more in place for wales . and in scotland, the wales. and in scotland, the environs and protection agency has six flood alerts . tv, online has six flood alerts. tv, online and dab plus ready. this is gb news. now back to neil oliver live . live. welcome back. once more to neil oliver live new year, new technology certainly fuels with technological advances coming at us from every direction . my next us from every direction. my next guest looks to the future, the very near future , to assess the very near future, to assess the likely impact of new ideas around subjects ranging from

food preparation by robots to sources of cheaper energy and innovations around confronting climate change. laurie smith is head of foresight research for nesta and joins me now. good evening, laurie . good evening . evening, laurie. good evening. thank you for having me and having you here. good to see you. having you here. good to see you- happy having you here. good to see you. happy new year. the speed of technologic innovation can be overwhelming . well, that would overwhelming. well, that would be fair to say. no yes , it be fair to say. no yes, it certainly can feel overwhelming at some time at times. and it very much depends on the technological area as well, doesn't it? so suppose that digital technologies there are rapid advances in areas like octopuses , intelligence and the octopuses, intelligence and the internet , but not the areas for internet, but not the areas for example, let's say the sit down toilet . that hasn't changed much toilet. that hasn't changed much in quite a long time. in fact , in quite a long time. in fact, some people are saying that there isn't enough innovation isn't happening quickly enough. so, for example , investor peter so, for example, investor peter thiel said in 2013 that they promised us flying cars and what we got was 140 characters

referring to twitter. so the speed of technology really can vary very to area . i hear you vary very to area. i hear you talking there about artificial intelligence and it's a it's a constant point that i ponder myself. will there be useful things for us mere mortals to do in a world dominated by tech, like artificial intelligence ? like artificial intelligence? well, it's basically, i think one way to think about this is looking back at history, science, the industrial revolution, where you had groups of people , let's say, like of people, let's say, like luddhes of people, let's say, like luddites who really quite worried about consequences worried about the consequences of technology and smashed machines. if you look around today, even in tough economic times that we're experiencing at the moment, there's quite a lot ofjobs the moment, there's quite a lot of jobs around and many jobs might not have imagined even existed people 30 years ago, maybe thought existed, like perhaps mine perhaps yours, perhaps mine or perhaps yours, for example . and also, i'd much for example. and also, i'd much rather live in the world we at the moment the benefits of

the moment with the benefits of automation and technological things like tv's and fridges , things like tv's and fridges, computers and the internet. a lot of what this boils down to is the choices society makes and how it supports people through technological change. so for example, does it give them opportunities to retrain? so rather than have all of education at the start of people's lives be spread more throughout their lives or decent social security net so people lose their jobs through technological change. they've got to have a safety net to help them out. ensuring the benefits of technology change widely of technology change are widely shared than dropped shared rather than dropped by a few . now you talk about jobs for few. now you talk about jobs for regular people like and i saw in of the notes reference to a robo chef. tell us more about that . chef. tell us more about that. yes. yes. so this is a this is a really interesting advance. so there is a first real world field trial about food service robot called zembla. it's made by uk based firm called three and it was tested out of the

headquarters of the online grocers a contact and it can personalised and make it to curry for example i think well that's interesting aspects of robots certainly for me it's potential health consequences which could good or could be bad . sure that's bad news. for example , for people who make example, for people who make their living preparing and delivering food. you know, doesn't that just close on avenue of employment for a whole avenue of employment for a whole a whole section of the population? is food preparation deliveries taken by robots ? deliveries taken by robots? well, it depends, again, how these technologies are deploying. the choices that we make. i mean, there is an example of a robot who wingmen the united states, which made some surprising meat, chicken wings or french fries as well. and there are claims they can reduce employees bills up to 75, which you can see. how have big consequences for jobs. well, lots of people who deploy and use the technology would argue that the robots actually can

complement people's for example people who might be saying facing roles . while robots might facing roles. while robots might be used in food preparation, you also need people to do things like stop the robot and maintain them and program them. and again, it comes to down choice, deciding what to make. so if you have suitable retraining and restructuring of workplaces and the benefits of those robots are widely shared , you know, lots of widely shared, you know, lots of winners young workers could win employers to win customers could win. if however one group grabs all the benefits, the expense of another let's say employers to say for example , then you say chefs for example, then you might not get such a good outcome. tonya listening to that, you've a chef and you've i'm maybe i'm a little, but what's instinctive reaction to the idea rather than preparing food and handling food , you were food and handling food, you were just looting and programming a robot. my instinctive reaction is to viscerally dislike it completely. and i don't i mean, you know, as you said, of course , won't want to employ chefs, especially within kind of the

casual dining food industry that you have . you know, we need you have. you know, we need people to cook those foods. and once they're gone, we won't need them again. and what you're talking about being customer service, we know facing, we know now that you go into a lot of these like one leon and i have mentioned but mentioned many other ones but that you order online you order anyway on a on a tablet you don't actually at the people the people that are doing jobs are the ones behind in the kitchen. so we're going to lose all these jobs. so we're going to lose all these jobs . i there's not a lot jobs. i mean, there's not a lot i do think that progress and is a thing but i think it a wonderful thing but i think it should be at things, should be aimed at other things, not people of jobs and not putting people of jobs and coming back to you there. you've you've also mentioned in the notes re—engineering nature reach net zero. now you could you explain a little bit about that and also is net zero even a goodidea that and also is net zero even a good idea ? well what i say is good idea? well what i say is re—engineering re—engineer nature. this is single we saw was an experiment that was done

in the arabian sea just off the coast of goa, where they put in on filing and rice husks and various other things. and the intention was to a bloom of life would suck carbon dioxide in the and then ultimately end up burying in the seas. it's a way of potentially tackling climate change. there's some risk to those sorts of technologies, a very, very experimental i'm not advocating for them. so spotting signals, not necessarily supporting them, i suppose on some of net zero. well set in mind , the sami is the mind, the sami is the overwhelming majority of scientists believe that greenhouse gas emissions and of some pretty big problems in the world has come some of which were sort of seeing already already and indirectly to climate change. here come the heat we had last summer some extreme weather events in the rest of the world and also with things say the plummeting costs of renewable energy action , that of renewable energy action, that there's a case to sort of move some of these technologies anyway. so if renewables end up being cheaper than , say being cheaper than, say gas, which turning to be

which is turning out to be a problem at the moment, and also perhaps more secure, britain's got lots of wind then got lots and lots of wind then actually there's other cases doing as the doing as well as the environmental. julie you feel listening to that? i feel when it comes to the climate crisis , it comes to the climate crisis, inverted commas that were and spending. well vast sums of money problem problem solving we had a problem may not actually exist . yeah. and i think also exist. yeah. and i think also back to the wind turbine thing, you know, we have a load of them in this country and we have a lot of wind and we're not pursued that as perhaps strongly as . but that also, as we ought. but that also, i think going to the i and the jobs that are going to go unfortunately there's not much point fighting for climate if none us have jobs that none of us have a future i mean i worry for again i'm not a luddite to use the phrase but i do worry if we're focusing so much on these on new i's we're focusing so much on these on new 1's and new on these new 1's and new technology, what's going to happen young people coming happen? the young people coming out and how are we out of school now and how are we going to secure them to have

jobs for, life? know that jobs for, life? i know that would perhaps, but you would exist perhaps, but you know, we really to look at know, we really need to look at that as well. that is a point isn't lawyers as i listen to this conversation, as i listen to what you're saying, it sounds in almost every instance that people will at best service machines , you know, when are we machines, you know, when are we going to what are we going to do more for the people you know, rather than prioritising machinery and technology and just trying to you know, into the gaps people to service that technology . well it going to technology. well it going to have be servicing technology that's because whole new things can be told you industries can be made with technology for example you don't you didn't have a tv industry 20 years ago. you wouldn't have presenters. you wouldn't have presenters. you wouldn't have presenters. you would have people doing the weather, have had weather, wouldn't have had researchers engineers researchers and engineers support some those jobs, support some of those jobs, supporting machines. some of the jobs totally things. jobs are doing totally things. and the things that and some of the things that machines do not all are machines can do not all are quite boring, quite unsafe, might not be involved of long

hours. so there can be some benefits that i'm i should add on. i don't blindly support technology and he always and i think i myself maybe mildly optimistic about technology the right social choices be things like retraining giving people time adapt to that you can end up being good things you get so many beneficial things in people's lives . laurie smith, people's lives. laurie smith, foresight researcher it's a fascinating topic. i'll admit i'm an i'm very i'm bivol and about the supposed benefits of the technology at this point i feel increasingly that people are going to be made a are irrelevant as well as redundant. and that's that going to be an abiding concern for me. but laurie, thank you very much for your contribution so far this evening. thank you . your time evening. thank you. your time after the break, we will be heanng after the break, we will be hearing all about for the world as who has been a surprise visitor, scarborough harbour and more recently blythe in northumberland . on mark dolan northumberland. on mark dolan tonight from eight. it's the people's hour in which i'll be

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eight welcome back . now, in ways welcome back. now, in ways i find hard to describe the fact scarborough cancelled its new year fireworks as not to upset arresting struck me as one of the most heartwarming bits of news of the whole period. and i speak as one who doesn't like to

think of councils cancelling anything. no that same walrus nicknamed thor has just moved on from his latest stopping point at blithe in northumberland. those tracking movements hope he will no head north to arctic waters, where he more properly belongs . thirsty waters, where he more properly belongs. thirsty and waters, where he more properly belongs . thirsty and blithe was belongs. thirsty and blithe was monitored by the british divers. marine life rescue . my next marine life rescue. my next guest is dan jarvis from that association who can tell us more about tor's troubles . good about tor's troubles. good evening, dan. how are you ? good evening, dan. how are you? good to see you. well, thank you and yourself. i'm good. now pictures of thaw have been amazing . one of thaw have been amazing. one thing i couldn't quite gauge, though, just how big, is an arctic walrus . well thor is arctic walrus. well thor is a young adolescent male. we estimate his flight anywhere between half to three quarters of a tonne however, a fully grown male can be well in excess

of a tonne, so he's still not anywhere near fully grown at the moment. so he is really in size already, but will in a few years be even more impressive ? be even more impressive? absolutely. what would he have been doing so far south south? well, we're treating this in conjunction with the of the recent losses that we've had around here. this is this is the fourth one that we've had in two years. and you're the first in uk in two years as well, in fact, which which is unusual. so. so we're treating a potential warning signs with change of the reducing ice habitat in the arctic, forcing these animals further afield for a while. the arctic researchers have documented the walruses think so forced to use island more frequently rather than the ice floes, i should say. so this is a concern , is that this is an is a concern, is that this is an early warning that we might see

walruses or other arctic states, for example , venturing farther for example, venturing farther afield , find more suitable afield, find more suitable habitats as they're losing us . habitats as they're losing us. why, if he's a if he's a cold animal, why would he follow a or track into and warmer water, such as we have around our temperate . well, most of the temperate. well, most of the losses that have turned up in recent have been juvenile or young adult animals which do tend to spend their first few years of life before . they years of life before. they become fully mature animals, sort of explore in their habitat. they range much wider and further than adult counterparts. so potentially, as they are rising further and further afield. potentially due to climate change, we can't say definitely, sure, but potentially due to climate change. these animals that do tend to be wandering farther because of the lifestyle stuff

that are just venturing further into european waters looking for new habitats , looking for the new habitats, looking for the sources before hopefully returning that where they came from. you you mentioned that it's not the first time that that a walrus has come into our waters. how often what are the previous incidences have there been of such visitors ? yeah, been of such visitors? yeah, absolutely . so the last was in absolutely. so the last was in the uk was known as freya . she the uk was known as freya. she travelled again , europe. she travelled again, europe. she came to northumberland in november of 2001 and she spent christmas in the shetland . she christmas in the shetland. she then went over to norway a few months later and unfortunately back in the summer of this year, due to what we perceive was a lack of proper management by authorities over there, by government officials, allowing large crowds of people gather in close proximity to potentially

putting themselves in danger. they elected to actually put her down, which came as a huge shock and that was a significant international backlash as a result of that. really, those who arctic animal don't. why that seems that sounds inexcusable . absolutely yeah. inexcusable. absolutely yeah. there was international outrage about this at the time that it happened. it was around sort of august time when this happened. she climbed her way up to. so, of course a high population centre . we offered advice. we centre. we offered advice. we were there ready at the end of a phone, an email to provide advice and support based on our experiences of having dealt with walruses in the last couple of years that have been difficult to manage . years that have been difficult to manage. but we years that have been difficult to manage . but we received no to manage. but we received no communication back and fortunately there was an assurance back in june that the

animal was not going to be put down. it was very much that this was being discussed and right up until august, that message was still being put about and then suddenly within a couple of days i was just put down by the authorities and they claimed that this was because she presented the danger to the pubuc. presented the danger to the public . whereas if you see the public. whereas if you see the photos and hear the stories of what happened in oslo, you can see people virtually touching distance, large crowds dozens, if not hundreds of people within touching distance of freya witnessed. and it's important . witnessed. and it's important. remember, these are wild animals . you know, they are outside of their normal habitats. they don't come across humans and, therefore don't have an in—built . so they potentially will allow people to come. surprisingly close to them . but if they are close to them. but if they are provoked, if they feel threatened, they will be defensive you know, they will protect themselves . you know, protect themselves. you know, might do that, might be the fight or flight response, which they can't easily escape . it they can't easily escape. it might cause an injury to

somebody that could end badly for animal as well. the tone for the animal as well. the tone listening to that sounds like a violation . me when i saw that's violation. me when i saw that's not that's not obviously what's happened to todd but when i saw the images of tours in scarborough and then implying that it was magical to see that creature in close proximity as a visitor, i thought, i mean it really touched my heart. i love the fact that he's this of nosey little thing. you kind of you know, with whether it's climate change, whether isn't he just, as they said, adolescent horses is a more adventurous and so this this little guy big guy thor decided that he was going to have a little nose round on him, much like we put him down. i mean, where was the thinking there what we thought behind it? but there is, don't think, but there is, don't you think, julie, whenever julie, there's a magic whenever we know, whether a we get you know, whether it's a real bird or you know, or other visitor from the from the natural world that doesn't necessarily there's necessarily belong here. there's such an excitement and an electricity to, you know, a brief encounter of that nature

is the long. oh, yeah . and thor is the long. oh, yeah. and thor was actually on my neck of the woods. it on the coast in woods. it was on the coast in the first, i believe, the south first, i believe, because there was a beach near us was local us and it was all on local media. thor was there. and what i interesting was after what happened to pull fire, because i did about that people were did read about that people were a more not to crowd a lot more mindful not to crowd the animal or go down the animal or not to go down there, although how tempting must to go and must have been. i know to go and get but people say no, get pictures but people say no, don't close, go near. don't get too close, go near. and thankfully, obviously the animal go animal was allowed to then go off merry way. but off on its merry way. but i think it's terrible what happened to the other war. i think it's unforgivable, don, whereas now as whereas we restore now so far as we can tell he disappeared we can tell or he disappeared once for all that's probably once and for all that's probably the million dollar question is we'd love to know . we've only we'd love to know. we've only been tracking them three sightings being reported to us and using photos of markings on his body to determine that this is the same walrus . so you know is the same walrus. so you know there's no actual tracker on the animal. we haven't got a

satellite tracking device on him or anything. so we don't know where he is at the moment. but from his latest movements coming up from english channel he'd up from the english channel he'd been previously, you've been previously, where you've seen him at southampton seen him down at southampton we'll abandoned we'll have abandoned that in southampton before christmas. you know, he's making a definite movement north now. and this is what we would hope for these animals is that they do make these long journeys do need to stop in between to their energy , feed up, put back on. and that's why it's been really important to us in getting messaging out that whatever he does turn up on and wherever does turn up on and wherever does turn up on and wherever does turn that it's really does turn up, that it's really key to avoid disturbing him as much as we possibly can because any disturbance especially disturbances where is being woken up being forced to go in the water because he doesn't feel comfortable being there for instance it's going to impact on his ability to survive and his ability to make it back to the arctic. so in you know, we've been really, really great, you know, hugely grateful to the

authorities, the police and other organisations working with us and also the public who by and large been massively supportive , followed the advice. supportive, followed the advice. that's only been model t, very small exceptions . last people small exceptions. last people prefer you know, not trying to get really closed up for five types. for instance and we're giving him the best possible chance of getting back to the arctic under his own steam . don arctic under his own steam. don jarvis from the british divers marine life rescue association, thank you so much. a wonderful, heartwarming stuff . and it heartwarming stuff. and it please, if you do find out what's to tor, well, you come back and let us. no, absolutely yeah. thank you . thank you. yeah. thank you. thank you. after the break, nutritionist juliet keller will be here to tell us that even if we overindulged over christmas, we don't to completely cut out our favourite and drink. it sounds advice i can get on board with you in 2 minutes.

welcome back to neil oliver live . now it's that time of year again when many people consider the physical condition and appearance and vote to make changes all of that festive excess , the food and booze, the excess, the food and booze, the laying around and pyjamas oldie takes tool. after all. my next guest, a nutritionist caillou joins me to consider what might be done in to lay the foundations for healthier year. good evening juliet thank you for joining us. good evening juliet thank you for joining us . good evening . forjoining us. good evening. thanks so much for having me. laffy taffy here. good, good. no what's to be done, juliet, to turn us into beautiful healthy people, even if were before christmas . well, i think the christmas. well, i think the first thing to say is really we need to get away from all these restrictive to 30 diets. it's the time of year when we typically go all out for kind of

starving ourselves, skipping meals, skipping lots of our favourite seeds. and we really need to be moving away from that and so think about eating, not just for waistlines, but actually more importantly eating for overall health. and it's an interesting one because there is some research came out earlier in the week which was showing when it comes to new year's resolutions with still weight loss, nearly half the people have over 2000. that was survey said weight loss was the absolute of other aspects of their health, whether that's their health, whether that's their mental well—being, whether it's their heart health with the cholesterol and pressure, whether it's even their immune system, particularly at this time year when we know that there are so many problems with coughs and colds and the nasty folks doing the rounds. so you really need to start changing the narrative and start thinking about eating for our general health rather than just the waistlines and actually the two go hand—in—hand. waistlines and actually the two go hand—in—hand . we found also go hand—in—hand. we found also from research that there was

lots of restrictive behaviour on so people were planning on cutting out a lot of foods that they considered be unhealthy. so things like burgers, things pizza for example, but actually from a nutrition point of view , from a nutrition point of view, people are also planning on cutting out foods which actually have some really nutrients in them. so cheese was an example here we, found that one in three people who are planning on cutting out cheese because they thought it was unhealthy with malnutrition on. actually malnutrition head on. actually cheese packed protein cheese is packed with protein from muscles . it's got calcium from muscles. it's got calcium and phosphorus bones it's and phosphorus from bones it's got b12 for our nervous got vitamin b12 for our nervous system. so really it's about getting the balance right, not restricting our diet and, really moving towards eating more of the foods which are really great for us, rather than cutting other foods with our diet and restricting . but julia is , true restricting. but julia is, true to say, isn't it, that we are an increasingly unhealthy, overweight, depressed population? why that? you know ,

population? why that? you know, media i've noticed recently is full of images of the 1970s beach scenes where, you know, you kind find a single overweight person , you know, in overweight person, you know, in a in a beach scene of hundreds, if not thousands of people waiting to go wrong . during the waiting to go wrong. during the course of my lifetime lifetime . course of my lifetime lifetime. yeah very, very good question. actually what we do know that our lifestyles have become far less active. so we don't have the general activity . and this the general activity. and this isn't just necessarily about going the gym. we tend to move less . we sit behind desks more less. we sit behind desks more often. our leisure time, a lot often. our leisure time, a lot of the time is sitting down, particularly we've had this hot meal for the last two or three years through two various lockdowns . and also our eating lockdowns. and also our eating habhs lockdowns. and also our eating habits have changed quite dramatically , moved away a lot dramatically, moved away a lot of the time from cooking. we're relying more on processed foods , which are very high in fat, high in sugar high in salt. so i what i want to do is try and encourage everyone to move away

from this kind of like let's constantly focus on what we should be restricting from our diet and instead start moving towards the things that we should be encouraging to eat more of. and is a lovely more of. and this is a lovely message new year. quite message for new year. quite often year, it's all about often a new year, it's all about cutting out. this is about adding into our diet. adding in things like fruits, vegetables. adding like the plant adding in things like the plant based protein so that would be things like you'll beans your lentils you take these things like nuts and seeds , adding more like nuts and seeds, adding more whole grains into diets as well. so swapping the kind of like the white bread, pasta and rice for the whole grain varieties to add fibre to our diet . and that fibre to our diet. and that really forms the for a really great healthy diet. and also cooking more as well. so we have lost the skill of cooking in many instances. we need to get back to cooking because it gives us control. we can add more of those lovely foods in and cut down on sugar and salt to bear with me. julia tonia, you're a chef. you're also, you know, someone who's very invested in general health and wellbeing .

general health and wellbeing. why why do you think we have met more food during the course of my lifetime from a predominantly slim population to a predominantly overweight population . what's going on? population. what's going on? well, of course , as we are well, of course, as we are together in this , because i'm a together in this, because i'm a nutritionist as well, and one of the things that has changed is processed food and bad foods are being sold as being good foods. and when they are really terrible , us, you know, you have terrible, us, you know, you have these of low fat, it's these packets of low fat, it's full of sugar and it's and we're being conned as as such. unfortunately, we're not being educated how to eat and we educated on how to eat and we should be eating a lot more protein than we're eating or doing is eating carbohydrates. we going us we are only going damage us if we're a predominance of we're eating a predominance of carbohydrates not enough carbohydrates and not enough protein diet. julia, do protein in our diet. julia, do you consider yourself to have a good ? i'm very mindful of good diet? i'm very mindful of the fact that diet really a lifestyle. it's not really just about you eat, but, you about what you eat, but, you know, do you consider that you have a responsible approach to what you put into your body ? what you put into your body?

yeah, i do. now i didn't that's that's i think i agree with what juua that's i think i agree with what julia is saying is that we need to sort of get away from saying what's bad, what's good, and thinking that the 31st of december means midnight. we have to else . i think it to do something else. i think it is a lifestyle and needs to be enjoying what you eat and enjoying what you eat and enjoying what you put and seeing it as a nurturing thing. eating not simply for fuel for not just simply for fuel or for overeating. so i think it took me a while though i was in my twenties, terribly like most young people do. but now i, i think i see it as sort of looking after yourself, eat well. i think that's important. i tonya, i let this opportunity pass without bringing up the fact that you were at miss south east natural bodybuilder in 1997. and it is talk about nutrition . know i think we have nutrition. know i think we have some pictures we have the proof some pictures we have the proof so i must admit this an extreme kind of nutrition to get to get that lean. i was a natural it was a natural deal. there's no drugs involved. and i was this person . yes. a long time ago .

person. yes. a long time ago. that was quite. you had to be really your diet then, because the whole thing is that you're trying build muscle stay trying to build muscle and stay lean is the ideal. but for competitive levels there, when you get to on stage in the you get to get on stage in the bikini, . my it bikini, amazing. oh, my god. it is a little bit further than what you , a normal person needs what you, a normal person needs to do to be healthy. that's the truth of it. juliet it is still there , hope. i know . my eldest there, hope. i know. my eldest son is very much about going to the gym at the moment and my youngest son actually is following in his footsteps. and i was i was i didn't know quite what to make of the moves two or three years ago. no but as as tony is seeing the i'm i'm sold on it now , he is so attentive on it now, he is so attentive about his overall wellbeing, it pays a lot of attention to food and not in any kind of unhealthy faddy way it just where proteins are he knows where carbohydrates are. he knows you know to prioritise cooked food against you know processed , food and all

you know processed, food and all the rest of it. so i there is something to be said for what is definitely a fashion at the moment for paying that kind of attention to the, to the way we look . yes, absolutely. i mean , look. yes, absolutely. i mean, protein is such an important nutrient for maintaining our muscle . and actually, the other muscle. and actually, the other thing is, as we get a bit older certainly we start to lose muscle in our forties. now, what we need to do is really be doing the exercise in the activity , the exercise in the activity, maintain our muscle strength , maintain our muscle strength, but supporting that with a really diet . and i think really great diet. and i think we do have in this society, we've got this sea link, particularly if you're doing to the gym, if you are exercising , the gym, if you are exercising, you have to have protein shakes , you have to have protein powders. when in actual we powders. when in actual fact we can more than enough protein can get more than enough protein plenty sensibly, by plenty by eating sensibly, by eating a healthy diet. and we can go for the plant proteins. as i mentioned earlier, to things like your pulses, you're nuts and your seats have a good amount of protein we can still enjoy lean meats and chicken. we can enjoy eggs if we want to . we

can enjoy eggs if we want to. we can enjoy eggs if we want to. we can enjoy eggs if we want to. we can enjoy the low fat products which literally just have the fat taken out of everything else . for example, one, one great example would be to have a low fat eating cheese which has all of the protein , all of the of the protein, all of the calcium, all of the vitamins in which have the regular cheese which we have the regular cheese . that protein . but you get that protein without , the saturated without, the actual saturated fat, which we know. but i think the thing i think we got to be really careful not to demonise good fats, because i think even fats, good fats. and fats, cheeses are good fats. and as older, you said, as as get older, as you said, as you as you get to over, you need to try to start atrophy muscle and as you get older you get sarcopenia the reality sarcopenia but the reality is that have more that you have to have more protein and plant proteins protein and plant based proteins all good that we all well and good but that we don't them as well and as don't absorb them as well and as we get older we don't absorb protein as well anyway. i protein as well anyway. so i think lean meats, eggs, think a good lean meats, eggs, eggs are the best in the eggs are the best food in the world. we should be world. i mean, we should just be eating them. what's wrong? eating more them. what's wrong? what's wrong with with meat, though? keep on hearing you though? i keep on hearing you know the aspect of for know when you the aspect of for example with this you example you know with this you know to know paying attention to consuming a lot fat,

consuming quite a lot of fat, you know fats had a bad rap hasn't know at home. hasn't it fat you know at home. you know we cook with we cook with lard, for example, rather than rather than vegetable oils or seed oil , than rather than vegetable oils or seed oil, any of it. you know, i think i think fat as well as, you know, what's this lean meat stuff? what about fatty meat? you we do have to be careful with fat, though, because we do know that saturated fat does increase increase our cholesterol levels if we're having it too, in great quantity . and obviously, high quantity. and obviously, high cholesterol is then a risk factor for heart health. so we do really need to be. yeah, but you you don't get you don't get cholesterol from what eat. do you know what you do sometimes it but i mean seeds actually vegetable oil has proven to be one of the most toxic things that we can put in our bodies you know, especially you know, and especially if you've animals reared you've had animals are reared properly that's the properly because that's the thing, you know how properly because that's the thinanimal you know how properly because that's the thinanimal has(ou know how properly because that's the thinanimal has lived, ow how properly because that's the thinanimal has lived, yowow properly because that's the thinanimal has lived, you know, the animal has lived, you know, humanely reared, for example, in a wild boar fat is just as good for as salmon. so you know, for us as salmon. so you know, there's so much i do understand.

people get very , very confused, people get very, very confused, but i don't think the alternative is to go for something that's being processed. it to processed. i think it needs to be you've cooked be something that you've cooked from and you've bought the from home and you've bought the best meat and animal products that afford. that's the that you can afford. that's the message. that's the message i'm running out of time again. juliet nutritionist, thank you so much. it's a fascinating subject about i freely subject about which i freely i could quite obsessive but could get quite obsessive but thanks contribution thanks for your contribution evening going into final break after which as if all those creepy tips well enough the green goddess diana moran will be live in the studio to tell us how we should go about keeping fit in the coming. don't go away

laptop. better. welcome back. now, it seems to me that we live a world well here . this country a world well here. this country divided between those who live by the gym, by diet, by all manner of focussed on the body, beautiful . and those who are beautiful. and those who are eating drinking and salad dodging their way towards

oblivion. is there a happy medium. i ask myself, is there a middle ground that ensures general and well—being without the process taking over our lives? joining me now is someone really does have the kind of answers i'm looking for, diana moran, green goddess of my of my youth . oh, i remember you. youth. oh, i remember you. i remember you so well. yes just a lot. i remember you so clearly from breakfast television and all of that. so, you know, i was i was the right age to be. i'm really plugged into who you are . i mean, it's a real treat to have you here in the studio rather than trapped in one of the boxes on the screen. so for being with us. what is the secret? you've acquired wisdom, you throughout your you know, throughout your life. what secret to that kind what is the secret to that kind of well—being more? moderation in all things. it's that simple. i really, really do mean that . i really, really do mean that. don't be excessive about exercise . don't be excessive exercise. don't be excessive about food and don't be excessive . all of this as well.

excessive. all of this as well. honestly, it really is moderation in all things. we were talking with previous guest. you know, i've really noficed guest. you know, i've really noticed well, i've known for how many of the of the general population are very big . do you population are very big. do you know, neal ? population are very big. do you know, neal? i'm population are very big. do you know, neal ? i'm absolutely know, neal? i'm absolutely appalled the minute and i begin to think where did i go wrong in the start of breakfast time in the start of breakfast time in the eighties? we're just about to celebrate 40 years of starting breakfast time . and i starting breakfast time. and i was so conscious then people's shape. was so conscious then people's shape . and if you saw somebody shape. and if you saw somebody was overweight , you thought now was overweight, you thought now is a is that a genetic thing or is a is that a genetic thing or is it because of some medications steroids or something they're taking ? so you something they're taking? so you made a slight excuse , but the made a slight excuse, but the rest of the people in front of you were generally of a good weight okay. they probably were a bit out of shape and that's a different issue just because they should be . but i've just

they should be. but i've just come back from a working cruise and i've just been appalled that the people who were on it were age, shall we say, 55, 62 mice sort of age, the 80 is on the likes of and my goodness , what likes of and my goodness, what a lot of them were obese. let's honest, they were obese . and honest, they were obese. and there has been this insidious by which being that size has become not just normal size, but it's actually what actually being preached out that it's somehow a desirable state to be vast overweight. it isn't all those years ago. and i'm sure you girls were the same when you were younger. you would look and you would see sort of, how am i doing? and you had put a bit of excess weight on. then you'd make certain that you changed your habit a little bit or got a bit more exercise and the likes of. now it doesn't seem to matter to many people . i can't matter to many people. i can't get my head into their head to

look at themselves in a mirror and think why don't they want to do something about it? i think also the problem is, is that we're not allowed to confront people with things anymore . you people with things anymore. you might offend them when you've got positive parts of got to be positive body parts of they done it. i've got a they just done it. i've got a friend of mine who is a very, very large guy. he's he's he's kind of obese and large and he's having issues and having some health issues and not the doctors that he's not one of the doctors that he's goneis not one of the doctors that he's gone is said to him, you're fat, too. lose weight. too. you need to lose weight. really, that language is not allowed but allowed be used anymore. but why, if it's going save his life and him get well. well in and help him get well. well in fact, just saying fact, you're just saying it. it'll save his and or it'll help save his life and or other medical problems as he gets . but then what gets older. but then what worries me is that these younger people who aren't , who are they people who aren't, who are they going to look after? who's going to look after you when you get a bit older? who's going to look after me. a grandmother when i'm even older ? well, they won't be even older? well, they won't be well enough to look after us, but you know your solution, the

moderation in all things from a nutritional point of view, is that a simple solution to x size and that kind of fitness? because what also bombarded in the same with bombarded with fad diets , all the information about diets, all the information about nutrition and the rest there's a million different ways to keep fit there's one fashion after another. your what is another. what is your what is your simple you know, buttoned down approach to that just down mind approach to that just keeping. as far as i'm keeping. well, as far as i'm concerned, one needs to keep active and if you've got an active and if you've got an active body , the chances are active body, the chances are you've got an active brain . you've got an active brain. well, i mean, the simplest thing, go for a walk . take the thing, go for a walk. take the dog for a walk . and you know, dog for a walk. and you know, the minute you go for walk, you see somebody else , you go, see somebody else, you go, hello. and before you know it. you've got a mental thing going. why do people go on treadmills in gyms? why do they do what ? go in gyms? why do they do what? go on treadmills in gyms rather go for a walk in. cannot what do you do that? no sweat. i think. i think it's a time thing. people think, well i'm going to the gym, i'm going to do this, this and this. i'm going to get

out. but you're completely right the best way to stay well is to keep costs active. keep costs the active. just move, that in move, move more and that in itself people stopped itself which people stopped moving stop walking places. moving they stop walking places. everyone gets buses cabs and everyone gets buses and cabs and ubers whatever and they ubers and whatever and they don't enough. but this is don't walk enough. but this is what i was brought up what i feel. i was brought up the was some somerset the country. i was some somerset born and bred. aberdare and we didn't have pair ants to take us to school . we had our wellington to school. we had our wellington boots on and we walked over fields and up dark planes and went to school. we were active naturally active all the time . naturally active all the time. there wasn't an alternative and. we didn't grumble because we didn't do anything different. but it's so it's something that we've taught herself , educated we've taught herself, educated ourselves over. i mean, i read all the time about sitting being the new smoking, you know, we've developed these sedentary lifestyles and. so many people. you said, i do too. i sit and write. you know, i sit looking at a screen i become aware at a screen and i become aware that been sitting down that i've been sitting down sometimes for, you know, three and that's your

and 4 hours. then that's your first mistake. okay to sit down and intrigued , something and get intrigued, something on the something , you the telly or something, you know, talking about working, know, i'm talking about working, talking every now and talking it up every now and again standing and again, but standing desk and then you're not i've then you've got you're not i've got a standing desk and does it work for you? it certainly does. if writing and i do if i'm writing books and i do write books and i'm there for ages ages, moving from one ages and ages, moving from one foot another, standing there foot to another, standing there with a computer is a good height . not down there somewhere . i . not down there somewhere. i find that wonderful looking into the garden, talking to the cat , the garden, talking to the cat, it does change your thought process . does it change the way process. does it change the way that you've does? and the sun shines and suddenly the writing becomes a bit easier again than stuck there . julie it's ironic, stuck there. julie it's ironic, isn't it? that developed so much about we know so much or there's so much information about diet and so much information about exercise and what we're exercise and yet what all we're all eating wrong things and all eating the wrong things and not exercise. it's not taking enough exercise. it's not taking enough exercise. it's not think also not intuitive. i think also technology have fitbits now i've noficed technology have fitbits now i've noticed go swimming and i notice people stand at the side for 10 minutes doing this and then they

get out. and you think you've just been looking at that and you been swimming. why you haven't been swimming. why don't you haven't been swimming. why dont and don't just get in the pool and swim go to the walk and swim? swim or go to the walk and swim? you don't have to look this you don't have to look at this telling you spend telling you because you spend most of your time putting it day. you know, it feels that we've much information, we've got too much information, too knowledge, too many too much knowledge, too many choices. everyone kind choices. everyone is just kind of uncertainty choices. everyone is just kind of to uncertainty choices. everyone is just kind of to domcertainty choices. everyone is just kind of to do so ertainty choices. everyone is just kind of to do so they |ty choices. everyone is just kind of to do so they just about what to do so they just have something else to eat and also that sort of uncomfortable. and having do that. why and i'm having to do that. why just get out in the garden? why not football club not join a football club or a tennis club or something? be asked, other people asked, live with other people and enjoyment. sort . oh, and get enjoyment. not sort. oh, i to do this jog . and you i got to do this jog. and you know, i lost my pulse . yeah. oh know, i lost my pulse. yeah. oh dynamo run. it's been absolutely lovely to meet you in person. and i also what i love most of all is common sense. and you radiate above all else. so that common sense of all of the subjects that interested subjects that you're interested in and interested in. i do in and i'm interested in. i do have a website out of common sense. it's called fit and sense. it's called keep fit and carry on .com at common. everyone go there. that's all from me on neil oliver live

tonight. my thanks as always to my brilliant panel, cooke and tonia buxton and to diane and warren green. going always. next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan tonight. thanks for watching and i'll see you next week . looking watching and i'll see you next week. looking ahead to tomorrow's and there will be a mixture of bright or sunny spells, scattered heavy showers and strong winds across the uk . and strong winds across the uk. let's take a look at the details . a windy morning for northern scotland with gales in the west, scattered showers to the north and west with drier conditions and west with drier conditions and sunnier skies to the east. highs of seven celsius for northern ireland . dry but windy northern ireland. dry but windy morning with sunny spells but showers arriving from the west in the day. afternoon highs of around six celsius. northern england will likely turn increasingly showery through sunday morning with a fresh southwesterly breeze and temperatures climbing towards afternoon of seven celsius. it will be inclement day for north wales with . the showers merging wales with. the showers merging into longer spells of rain. i'm

talking to sleet or snow over the mountains. daytime temperatures peaking at around six celsius for the east midlands, a breezy and largely dry , with sunny spells turning dry, with sunny spells turning cloudier later with the risk of showers , temperatures rising showers, temperatures rising towards highs of to nine celsius in the afternoon for east anglia, a risk of showers for essex and suffolk during the morning . otherwise dry for most morning. otherwise dry for most showers becoming more widespread for the afternoon . breezy with for the afternoon. breezy with highs of nine celsius. a showery and breezy morning for southern england and rather cloudy to some blustery winds in and around the heavier showers with daytime climbing to highs, overriding eight celsius. staying cyclone with strong winds and gales . northern winds and gales. northern scotland gradually easing and bands of showers passing eastward across the country. and thatis eastward across the country. and that is how the weather is shaping up through tomorrow.