nine police. the uk spend nine police. the uk spen d £66,000 on police. the uk spend £66,000 on rainbow merchandise. the prime minister wants everyone to be a mathematician and activist it's claimed that the countryside is racist . but this is free speech racist. but this is free speech nafion racist. but this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle. so this is a show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics and of course, we'll have the latest from a and lovable social from a sweet and lovable social justice who justice activists who would happily stake for happily burned at the stake for your compassion. coming your lack of compassion. coming up on the show, we have author cara dance will join us from cara dance who will join us from america about the us america to talk about the us court of appeal ruling regarding single us single sex bathrooms in us schools david oldroyd schools. historian david oldroyd boldt will be to discuss boldt will be here to discuss the legacy of former pope benedict who away benedict xvi who passed away last on the last week. we reflect on the potential ramifications of a lawsuit the stars of lawsuit in which the stars of franco zeffirelli's, romeo and juliet , which franco zeffirelli's, romeo and juliet, which came out in

franco zeffirelli's, romeo and juliet , which came out in 1968, juliet, which came out in 1968, are suing paramount pictures are now suing paramount pictures for sexual abuse over a nude scene they appeared in. plus, we'll be answering questions from wonderful studio from our wonderful studio audience and my studio guests this evening on the fantastic comedians, sir gina koshy and francis . how are you , francis foster. how are you, francis? good. new year. did you do anything good? it was it was very nice. i played bingo . very nice. i played bingo. that's a great thing to do on new. yes, i did. problematic bingo brought about his problem. but it's all problematic , isn't but it's all problematic, isn't it? the announcer is a he's she it's 43. oh there we go. there we go. you see that's a good solution to new year. doing something like that rather than it's overspending, going to pubs and that of thing. now and all that sort of thing. now that's a really good idea. what about you? did you do about you? what did you do straight christmas, my favourite time finally time of the year. and we finally got right. so we have like, got it right. so we have like, could get to injury could we get that to injury turkey we were kids and it turkey when we were kids and it was christmas moment was not quite christmas moment and now that the flanders and but now that the flanders turkey jamie jamie turkey ever had jamie jamie oliver no i actually i oliver tops yeah no i actually i was christmas it was was kid christmas evening it was here gave up my evening to do

here i gave up my evening to do headuner here i gave up my evening to do headliner it's first time headliner so it's first time everin headliner so it's first time ever in my life i've worked on christmas day it's good for you yeah i really yeah i liked it. i really enjoyed it. i was here new enjoyed it. i was here on new year's doing headliners oh, year's eve doing headliners oh, that we live in that was nice. we live in schaefer, who gave me a gout testing kit. also about the gean testing kit. also about the gear. this live on air. gear. get this gift live on air. i know what to about i didn't know what to do about that. you do have the look of someone then i had to someone with gout. then i had to take that so just diverting to our audience and they were saying some saying today we've got some questions audience. questions from our audience. and today start with today we're going to start with danny. is danny? hello, danny. where is danny? hello, danny. where is danny? hello, danny. yeah. do police danny. hello yeah. do the police spend money on spend too much money on rainbows? ha ha ha. yes. so apparently. and we've got a guest later on, taxpayers alliance that compiled the report and they've shared it with the telegraph. and apparently in uk have apparently police in the uk have spent £66,000 on rainbow merchandise things like flags, shoelaces , pens and lip balm and shoelaces, pens and lip balm and the spending to place between 2019 and 2022. this involved 27 forces across england and wales. tom ryan of the taxpayers alliance said , quote, with crime

alliance said, quote, with crime on the up, it will bring little comfort to brits knowing that bobbies are kitted out with rainbow merchandise . so that rainbow merchandise. so that can't be true. what do you think? to say i must read think? i have to say i must read that from bobbies to boobs and. i thinking, oh, oh, well, i was thinking, oh, oh, well, outrageous political . oh, outrageous political. oh, doesn't happen. that's you know, that's my thing. yeah. i'm that's my thing. yeah. no, i'm we had this story last night and headune we had this story last night and headline honestly i, you know, i think it's great solidarity blah, blah, blah, you know, everything yeah. can everything else. yeah. but can we from the we just get merchandise from the shops than our police shops rather than our police force a fortune of our force spending a fortune of our money just it's. it's ridiculous. and like, lip bombs. what who is using these lip balms ? you know, i didn't balms? you know, i didn't realise that that was a priority for police, that got for the police, that they've got dry well i think no just dry lips. well i think no just a nice people. chapped lips are quite painful and it's quite good. the, on good. concentrate on, on the, on the burglars . yeah. yeah. the burglars. yeah. yeah. if you've sore lips. do you you've got sore lips. do you think so francis. yeah, i think i'm going to be honest. yeah. i think this is a great use of police funds. yeah, i think war is going to strike hard, hot fear into the heart of the

criminal community. then a clown car turning up to try and arrest. yeah, i mean, it's pretty scary. it is. if you think the police are psychotic enough to drive around with something notebook . something out of a notebook. yeah. you're going yeah. then you're going to think, else will they think, well, what else will they do? you know, there might be some them more. i've taken some of them more. i've taken acid. see that car. have a acid. they see that car. have a flashback. the flashback. yeah. collapse on the floor to arrest. floor makes some easy to arrest. yeah. i'm for all it. and yeah. no, i'm for all it. and i will be talking to eliot from the taxpayers about the taxpayers alliance about that he'll that question. and he'll probably us a more sensible answer. anyway, going to answer. anyway, we're going to move another question. move on now to another question. this kate. where's this one is from kate. where's kate? hi kate. hello. hello. and do should apologise to do you think should apologise to iran cartoon? who's iran over the cartoon? who's enjoying okay so this is enjoying that? okay so this is this is an interesting one. we did talk about this other did talk about this the other night on headline as well. night on headline news as well. so french satirical magazine so the french satirical magazine charlie you charlie hebdo, which, as you know, sort of very caustic know, is a sort of very caustic , magazine that often , satirical magazine that often annoys people, it's annoys a lot of people, it's really annoyed iranian regime this but again by this time. but again by publishing cartoons of the supreme leader, the ayatollah ali khamenei and iran's foreign minister tweeted out and this was he said he said, the

insulting and indecent act of a french publication in publishing cartoons against the religious and political will not and political authority will not go an effective and go without an effective and decisive response . that sounds decisive response. that sounds like a threat to me . it sounds like a threat to me. it sounds very much like a threat. i'll make common pleas. this is ridiculous. they upset about a cartoon. they didn't get upset about ago really show about years ago and really show my not the 9:00 news. my age now, not the 9:00 news. ayatollah khomeini close ayatollah letting khomeini close close how they use that one getting upset about a cartoon and also it's our job it's a and also it's ourjob it's a satirists job to critique like leaders and what they're doing is appalling. leaders and what they're doing is appalling . so you don't got is appalling. so you don't got a leg to stand on right now but they've threatened. well, that's that's the interesting thing. so now anything happens. we don't you where that's coming you know where that's coming from. but of course. but from. yes but of course. but they have threatened from. yes but of course. but theybecause have threatened from. yes but of course. but they because in have threatened from. yes but of course. but they because in have it's�*atened this because in iran, it's illegal to them. but illegal to criticise them. but that's that's in iran. that's in iran. that's in iran. so the idea of trying to impose the people but we had this before. there was before. remember when there was a who made a german satirist who made a video president erdogan

video about president erdogan of turkey implying that he co—operated with goats? right. and saying if that's and i'm not saying if that's true or not. i don't know. but the thing is, the software is data. then erdogan called on data. and then erdogan called on angela and i want angela merkel and said, i want this person to arrest this person extradited to arrest it. and then interestingly, angela merkel actually considered but considered it for a while, but then of sorted out. then it was sort of sorted out. why do we say, why don't why do we just say, look, it's legal in this country to take the mic out of politicians and leaders so, you know, well, i think know, back off? well, i think it's bit of a surprise it's it was a bit of a surprise to me he seemed to be to me because he seemed to be such a nice guy. the such a nice guy. well the supreme leader. yeah i don't know. i look at this. someone what's the thing? know what know. i look at this. someone vwanti the thing? know what know. i look at this. someone vwant to re thing? know what know. i look at this. someone vwant to knowig? know what know. i look at this. someone vwant to know and know what know. i look at this. someone vwant to know and it know what know. i look at this. someone vwant to know and it wasn't what i want to know and it wasn't him. was the one before the him. that was the one before the thing, you he was the thing, you know, he was the one before. one before. and this before. the one before. and this one. well, you know, if you if you scarf slipped very you scarf slipped he's very kindly trying tell you how kindly trying to tell you how you should wear your scarf. so yeah. yeah she like yeah. total diva. yeah she like so what do you think? what do you think is going to happen here? i mean, we france capitulate to this i'm on my show. actually interview the show. we actually interview the iranian alianza iranian historian called alianza and actually said that was and he actually said that was very interesting the

very interesting about the iranian is this chap iranian regime is this chap i can never pronounce his name because i'm the ayatollah. the ayatollah. right. he actually sees himself as a direct representative from god as the p0pe representative from god as the pope does. yeah, exactly . pope pope does. yeah, exactly. pope doesn't threatening not doesn't send threatening not only on the cover . sorry, family only on the cover. sorry, family . yeah. yeah. so in as well. no, they don't think that god knows anything. their descendants like god appointed them. but you mean the divine right of kings. god appointed them. but you mean the divine right of kings . yeah, the divine right of kings. yeah, yeah, yeah. at this . yeah, i guess. yeah. at this. yeah. since harriet, i yeah. and ever since harriet, i mean, , yeah, yeah . but mean, god, yeah, yeah. but what's interesting about about the ayatollahs position is that it's actually iran you that is completely goes against islam. so in what sense because is haram to say that you are a direct descendant of god and therefore you should be allowed to rule? i don't think it's even that much. i it's just that he's annoyed that someone's take them taking like the mic know because he's not used to it but i do think you have make a point but the thing with the cartoon the same thing with the cartoon it's i've never understood why

muslims know, and muslims get you know, and i speak them because obviously speak for them because obviously i've people i've been elected by my people to for everybody. but i just think that you'll get upset about culture but that suggests that the cartoon of the prophet is than is actually higher place than and higher than god. and nobody is higher than god. if that if you're going go if that if you're going to go through kind of through the religious kind of thing you just said is thing and what you just said is absolutely correct because like are asking worship an are asking to worship an ordinary man and not ordinary man and that's not islamic not even islamic. absolutely. not even about a cartoons of the prophet mohammed, which, of course, you know, that back in know, we all agree that back in 2015, cartoons were 2015, the cartoons were massacred for drawing and massacred for drawing that and obviously that's absolutely that should tolerated but should never be tolerated but this man this is a man it's this is a man this is a man it's a man. it's a man man a man. it's a man ordinary man is incredible is this absolute incredible arrogance and it's vile. it's a bomb and should be. i mean, what they do, i think that's vile is he is i guess i won't be going to iran and he yeah yeah yeah he is i guess i won't be going you're right it's a shame so many people come to get lucky food everything but yeah i think as as eat so they were as well as eat so they were asking people submit cartoons asking people to submit cartoons asking people to submit cartoons as as they could him. as bad as they could about him. and they're trying to and i think they're trying to make a point. but i'm not a fan

of charlie hebdo. but i also think, you know, if it's if that's what doing, that's what you're doing, it's not responsibility not the responsibility of someone touch from someone to get in touch from another country and say, look, no, you know, we don't like that. course, in iran at that. and, of course, in iran at the the regime not the moment, the regime not popular, this is popular, right? yeah. this is the they are really the thing like they are really going to be anxious at the moment because obviously there's going isn't going to be change. there isn't that already is. well, that there already is. well, there be. what really there has to be. what was really heartening the previous months is the ground swell of is to see the ground swell of support from around the but also the fact that it was this movement led women. yes. movement led by women. yes. challenging , challenging this autocratic, horrific regime and you could see the real fear in men's faces and as opposed to the courage of those women, i mean, women, you know, tearing their vows off and burning them and dancing in the street. can street. and this they can be serious about people. i know. i know. and they are they are sacrificing now. so i cannot stress how brave wonderful stress how brave and wonderful they inspiring they are. and they are inspiring to all of us. you they've been cutting their hair. know, cutting their hair. you know, i wanted to show solidarity . i got wanted to show solidarity. i got a but least you can a trim, but the least you can you know, it's the least i could

do . braver in a way. i am do. i felt braver in a way. i am braver in a way, because i'm doing here the west where. doing it here in the west where. you people judge you for you know, people judge you for the way you look. but yeah, i mean, it's just it is incredible, the humour and i cannot, you know, they are just incredible, incredible women and the world should be supporting them right now. and they are out there risking lives and it there risking their lives and it all off from that one woman all set off from that one woman who basically died. and this has happens all the time. yeah. and this happens all the time. the jumped up charges . they just jumped up charges. they just arrest you. the of the arrest you. the rest of the members of family. it is members of your family. it is appalling. died appalling. and she died in custody, of course. and custody, of course. yes. and this morality police this was the morality police so—called morality police that arrested to arrested and it's got to stop and will. but and it probably will. but anyway, to move on to anyway, got to move on to another now. this is another question now. this is from peter. where do we have any type of hi, happy new and you now age of now should all up to the age of 18 be forced to study maths now. well know about this because she's seen actually speak has said new year said this in his new year statement that he wants in one form another people to study form or another people to study mathematics age of i mathematics to the age of 18. i mean, been in a lot

mean, i would have been in a lot of trouble if i not good at math. but what do you make of that? do you think that's that is possibly enforceable? this is what happens get nerd what happens when you get a nerd in content. what in charge of the content. what happens? you can tell he loves maths, tell it. and you maths, you can tell it. and you know, wasn't bullied enough. know, he wasn't bullied enough. right. this is what happened. of course, he was with richard. yeah, a couple of kings yeah, exactly. a couple of kings in toilet. he have in the toilet. he would have knocked in say, knocked some sent in to say, well, know, come on, boris. well, you know, come on, boris. he people he wouldn't have forced people to 18. well, no, to maths until 18. well, no, i don't think it's going happen don't think it's going to happen particularly. look, i mean, particularly. but look, i mean, i some mathematicians i have heard some mathematicians sort of saying the snobbery sort of saying why the snobbery about know, people about maths, you know, people have boasting about how have been boasting about how rubbish, at and rubbish, they were at maths and how been forced how it might have been forced and one boasts being and no one boasts about being illiterate. no. so i have to say again, initially when this story broke out, i oh gosh, you know, he's south asian he's he's sharing south asian side. probably what it side. he's he's probably what it was. probably speech that was. it's probably a speech that he his kids to say he prepared for his kids to say do better maths and not be you know what know because that's what asian parents like. then parents are like. but then obviously the speeches obviously mixed up the speeches on paper it looked it good on paper it looked it looks good like a i think, you know being

better english maths the all no it's not a bad thing and actually he's probably thinking about the future in terms of future generations you know being in a stronger position to get know work and obviously helping economy. however it helping the economy. however it kind of sticks in my throat a bit. but a former chancellor of the who can't actually the exchequer who can't actually tally figures, you tally up his own figures, you know, saying we need know, is actually saying we need to learn maths . i don't i really to learn maths. i don't i really don't think it's going to happen. know because idea of happen. know because the idea of making compulsory into that making it compulsory into that age, i you've got the age, i mean you've only got the bafic age, i mean you've only got the basic haven't by basic skills haven't you, by 16. but, but a far deeper but, but there's a far deeper point on here as former point going on here as a former teacher, to teach primary teacher, i used to teach primary school. i used to teach last year at primary, primary school maths particular. of maths in particular. and one of the i retrained to the things when i retrained to be school teacher was be a primary school teacher was i never actually i that i was never actually taught maths in this country, were not maps properly what we to a series of sequences to all is a series of sequences that repeat in order to get a right but people right answer. but most people actually don't understand what is going on beneath the. so you think actually students got a point and know what i'm actually saying is don't teach maths

saying is we don't teach maths in this country properly and what to do is what we actually need to do is actually children. it's actually teach children. it's to get to really understand what it means to add, to subtract and multiply. okay? instead of what we do not know. francis, i've got a calculator. can ask a question from a school teacher if you know. do you know what logarithm book was for? no, no. can we look of book? so it's anybody remember this? what was that? we didn't have that we had nothing in maths. so robot thing. yeah does it it just thing. yeah it does it it just we're not going to do it. we're going to move on now to, a question from lyle. where's lyle? yeah, hi. hi, andrew. harry's new book, prince harry's new i this could new book. i think this could lead and it lead lead the revelations and it lead to the collapse of the monarchy . so the monarchy. well, i mean so the book is called spare. i haven't read it. i'm not going to to be honest. to read it, to be honest. apparently, they have to sell 1.7 million copies to break even because publisher has because the publisher has invested in. can't invested so much in. i can't see that happening. you? but that happening. can you? but anyway, actually there's anyway, this is actually there's been mayer is been an this catherine mayer is a analyst biographer a royal analyst and biographer of king charles thinks that this will system ,

will destroy our system, constitutional monarchy. that seems overblown. it's only seems a bit overblown. it's only it's the spare. it's the ginger one no one likes. i mean, it doesn't anyone shouldn't be tainted. i see . i don't i think tainted. i see. i don't i think i've look, the thing is, is that it's making headlines and waves around the world. yeah. the reality is doing a tremendous amount of damage to the royal family because he's leaking all these stories and we don't know if they're true or if they're not. so the reason that there's also the security risk because you know, he boasted that he killed 25 taliban soldiers. first you got ministry of first you got the ministry of defence coming out, people, soldiers saying we don't do that. don't about that. we don't boast about people in war. there's people we kill in war. there's that we have notches on the rifle that rifle butt. but also that creates within creates a security. now within the royal family. it sounds like you'd say to your mates in a website exactly. they might kill 25 stand 25 of them. they didn't stand a chance. both he's chance. but both bush he's ghostwriting to sacked ghostwriting needs to be sacked , right? i don't know. i'm going to opinion until i've to hold my opinion until i've actually read the to read actually read the plan to read it. now going it. now i'm going to. i've ordered coming. okay. ordered it. it's coming. okay. and the reason is because think this convenient leak the press

from spain. that imply from spain. i believe that imply that they that at all. i think they should. think obviously one of should. i think obviously one of the had managed it the royal family had managed it because feeding it because they've been feeding it every i think it's a every day. and i think it's a ploy every day. and i think it's a ploy to people from buying ploy to stop people from buying the because you're giving the book because you're giving it. also it's taken it. but i also think it's taken out i want to it before out of i want to read it before i make a comment and i actually don't think it's the end of the monarchy. i think what he's monarchy. i just think what he's done, showing under done, he's showing his under very circumstances. very obvious circumstances. a mother of his mate mother died in front of his mate to behind a coffin. you to walk behind a coffin. you know, he's he's opening up the doon know, he's he's opening up the door. it's the wizard of oz. door. the it's the wizard of oz. he's basically pull back the curtain can see what the curtain and we can see what the royal is about. royal family is about. that's what of people what a lot of people have sympathy, is the fact that, you know, he was so young when his mother died in these tragic circumstances was forced circumstances and he was forced to there public and to go out there in public and not a normal boy not like a normal little boy would behave. on would would have to behave. on the people were bit the other hand, people were bit annoyed. i think that he's using the and would have been the book and would have been writing the book his writing the book while his grandmother was dying this writing the book while his granof|other was dying this writing the book while his granof sorter was dying this writing the book while his granof sorter vattacking this sort of sort of attacking attacking family. this attacking the family. he is this is a family. i mean, i gather the royal family, but they are the royal family, but they are the royal they're their own

family. are we family. it's like, why are we all getting involved? and it's like so pages, like we spend so pages, programmes every, single show us being course he being out there. of course he got d £14.8 million that got paid £14.8 million for that book. going to this, book. and i'm going to say this, if gave money. if someone gave me that money. i'd fry family. yeah, well, i'd fry my family. yeah, well, how. hey, you got granny the one six almost to six free, darling. almost to monaco. so you're like, oh, fair enough. right. inside into enough. right. and inside into francisco, where we've got a question now from catherine. where where's catherine here? i should his be banned from should teach his be banned from using sarcasm. i mean that sounds no this is apparently skegness academy in lincolnshire. they basically issued a guide to the staff members and. they said don't use sarcasm but why as a former teacher can i just say we need ? teacher can i just say we need? so of course we desperately sarcasm. it's the cornerstone is being racist against a french you know you're saying quintessential it's in a sense it's a safety valve society you know you just live a little bit you do need something because you do need something because you need to you know, i suppose you need to you know, i suppose you can use sarcasm in a

particularly horrible way. yeah. you you can't say too you know, you can't say too much. you're very little much. oh, you're very little boy, aren't you? that would be a terrible thing to but yeah, terrible thing to do. but yeah, you . i remember terrible thing to do. but yeah, you. i remember i terrible thing to do. but yeah, you. i rememberi had terrible thing to do. but yeah, you. i remember i had one terrible thing to do. but yeah, you . i remember i had one boy you. i remember i had one boy who was very naughty. his name was louis. lovely, lovely lad, but very naughty. and then once was making a bit of an effort for one day. right and he came up me and went to meet mr. up to me and he went to meet mr. foster. do think i'll foster. have do you think i'll get behaviour award for get the good behaviour award for this week? and i looked at this week? and i just looked at him. don't be silly. this week? and i just looked at him. don't be silly . and him. i went, don't be silly. and then he insert and then we cranked up and then he went off and, and smashed something up, you know, what do you think st i mean, surely i, i think no this is getting really silly now. sarcasm come on, come on. what is it ? i mean, maybe we is it? i mean, maybe we shouldn't be sarcastic because, you know, we might make the kids so upset that they're going to pull cotton wool off their bodies and they'll be exposed to all terrible pain or for all this terrible pain or for the tough tough. i'm the tough love. tough. i'm a tough love, i think. bring about the slipper. perhaps cobra the slipper. wow perhaps cobra punishment. heard it here first. anyway, to a

anyway, we're going to go to a break now. but after the break on free nation, author on free speech nation, author dunn join us from dunn skeet will join us from america to an important america to discuss an important court appeal concerning court of appeal concerning single bathrooms . schools single sex bathrooms. schools don't go anywhere you .

welcome to free speech nation with me. andrew doyle the us court of appeals last week that separating school bathrooms based on biological sex is constitutional and not violate title nine, which prohibits sex discrimination. the ruling which could have major implications in the states held that a florida school board didn't violate any equal protection rights when it prohibited transgender student drew adams from using boys bathrooms at allen. denise

school. joining me from washington , dc to discuss this washington, dc to discuss this ruling until it washington, dc to discuss this ruling until i t to welcome the author cara dancy, who wrote the abolition of sex how the transgender agenda harms women and girls. good evening, kyra . and girls. good evening, kyra. thanks so much. having you now, kyra, i want to ask you first about this ruling. how do you feel about it's a great ruling. this is the first time a us. federal of appeals has ruled that schools may maintain single bathrooms consistent with, as you say, title nine of the civil rights act and the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. so it's a really great decision . and what were great decision. and what were the later ramifications of decision b? i mean, this seems to be a debate that is really sort of kicking off over in the states. do you think other states will follow or states will follow suit or is this that will this something that will now apply country? so apply throughout the country? so currently , the only states that currently, the only states that are affected by the ruling are the states that exist within the 11th circuit, which are alabama, florida and, georgia. however, it very likely that a case like

this will go up to the supreme court because three courts of appeals have ruled that permissible for schools to maintain bathrooms based on a student's gender identity . and student's gender identity. and this conflicts with that . and this conflicts with that. and that creates what is known in the states as a circuit split and. that's one of the factors that the supreme court chooses, considers in deciding whether to take a case . so it's very likely take a case. so it's very likely that one of these cases will make its way up to the supreme court, and we should hear relatively soon, within the next couple of years at least, what the court thinks about the supreme court thinks about whether can maintain whether schools can maintain single sex spaces consistent with the law, and with the constitution . it strikes me that constitution. it strikes me that a lot this has come about a lot of this has come about because of a confusion between. the definition of sex and the definition identity, definition of gender identity, almost two things almost as though the two things are conflated. but surely are being conflated. but surely isn't quite about this? isn't the law quite about this? the biological sex is something isn't the law quite about this? the is)logical sex is something isn't the law quite about this? the is realcal sex is something isn't the law quite about this? the is real and ex is something isn't the law quite about this? the is real and necessaryething isn't the law quite about this? the is real and necessary to ng that is real and necessary to preserve sex based rights . so we preserve sex based rights. so we had a case in 2020 from the

supreme court called bostock versus clayton . and what the versus clayton. and what the supreme court decided in that case is that it is employment discrimination , unlawful discrimination, unlawful employment, discrimination , the employment, discrimination, the bafis employment, discrimination, the basis of sex for employer to discriminate against a person on the basis of either orientation or transgender status. it not tell us what transgender status might mean so that was decided in june of 2020 immediately upon taking office, the president president biden in january 2021 announced to the country and all federal agencies that everyone now had to start redefining the word sex to include gender identity for all purposes, which my view is a complete misreading and misconstruing of the decision in bostock versus clayton county . i do not like clayton county. i do not like the outcome of bostock versus clayton county and we could discuss why. but even so the biden administration has been

essentially lying to the american people since january of 2021 about what that decision says. 2021 about what that decision says . and yes, absolutely. we says. and yes, absolutely. we are seeing across the country a complete reconfiguring of the category sex to include the nebulous, vacuous phrase gender identity by the biden administration, incomplete country vention to accepted standards of law . it reminds of standards of law. it reminds of our national health service over here was a situation where they implemented single sex accommodation in hospitals, but interior memos from the nhs said that they actually meant gender, gender identity, but they were going to use the word sex. so the public didn't confused. but surely we need some sort of clarity this. i mean, these clarity on this. i mean, these are anything that that feminist campaigners in america yourself can make clear , not can do to make this clear, not just terms of the public just in terms of the public consciousness in terms consciousness, but also in terms of legislation . so we do this of legislation. so we do this frequently. so i am the president of the us chapter of women's declaration international, and we have filed some court briefs before the

federal judiciary explaining the importance of maintaining sex as a discrete , explaining the a discrete, explaining the importance of the category female to me and exclusively women and girls. and we have repeatedly written to congress . repeatedly written to congress. the congress is currently considering something called the equality act . our version of the equality act. our version of the equality act. our version of the equality act. our version of the equality act is very different from the uk's version , the from the uk's version, the equality act. i just want to make that clear in the uk my understanding is the equality act does maintain sex as a discrete , which is great. our discrete, which is great. our version of the equality act would complete annihilate that and redefine the word sex to include the phrase gender identity for all under us civil rights law. and that's disastrous . and we have worked disastrous. and we have worked very hard to communicate with various members of congress. and, you know, as as much as we can, since 2015 to explain why this would be a disaster for american women and the us chapter . american women and the us chapter. women's declaration international also in january of

2020 to send every single member of congress a copy of my book , of congress a copy of my book, the abolition of sex. so they , the abolition of sex. so they, they know that reading signing sex to include gender is really bad for women and girls especially and including and it's really bad because it denies the material reality of biological sex which is a disaster for all of us . i mean, disaster for all of us. i mean, you are right to point out that the uk equality act does protect sex, gender, but a lot of activist groups who are instructing people in, schools and the police and that kind of thing deliberately misinterpret that as gender identity, not sex . they can play that deliberately in order to advance the agenda. but there are such serious ramifications for this, particularly to particularly when it comes to let's prisons. and know let's prisons. and i know in america have a number america there have been a number of of male bodied of examples of male bodied individuals even people individuals, even such people who sexual who have committed sexual offences being transferred to women's prisons what's what's women's prisons. what's what's happening in happening there at the moment in relation to story ? so as far as relation to story? so as far as i'm concerned, this should be a national and. i am

national scandal and. i am appalled at the us for media not making it one. you're right, as you there are convicted you say, there are convicted rapists and murderers being housed in women's prisons and. this is all over the country. i don't want people be confused and think that this is only happening in lefty california. it is happening in california andifs it is happening in california and it's a disaster. and happening in washington state. but it's also happening in places like illinois , kentucky, places like illinois, kentucky, new it's all over the new jersey. it's all over the country. we know from hearing from women inside prisons that women have been raped , have been women have been raped, have been sexually assaulted . they are sexually assaulted. they are standing watch over each other in order to protect each other . in order to protect each other. the men who are invading the women's prisons . we know that women's prisons. we know that there are two women who got impregnated in a new jersey prison because of men being housed in the women's prison on the basis of their so—called gender identity . and what gender identity. and what i think is really important about thatis think is really important about that is note that because we that is to note that because we know that those inmates impregnated female inmates, we know that they are any form of women. they are not trans women.

they are not trans gender women. we are just talking about men. and this is point, isn't it, that no one's saying that trans people are in more predatory nature . what they're saying is nature. what they're saying is genden nature. what they're saying is gender, self identification will obviously open to exploitation by people with a nefarious agenda. by people with a nefarious agenda . so when i talk about agenda. so when i talk about this stuff, i'm just really interested talking about men and women as discrete sex classes and i for me, it's not helpful to acknowledge that. there's some third category of people are neither male or female . and are neither male or female. and so every single person on the face of the planet is either female or male. and i just don't accept the rest of it . so your accept the rest of it. so your view is that we should effectively just prioritise biology, particularly when it comes to prisons? and i suppose you would that to well, sporting events. so the obvious example and that kind of thing hasn't led to more and more people being aware of the problem because when you see someone like the swimmer leah thomas standing on top of a podium

standing on the top of a podium towering the candidates , towering the other candidates, that surely it's difficult to sort of explain that away . so sort of explain that away. so leah thomas woke up a lot of american boys so thank you will. yes, i absolutely think that making these cases very obvious is very important. part of the reason i do think it's so important to focus on biology is that it's a mystery as to why women in this country were not allowed to vote until 1920. it's not a mystery as to why women were not to serve on juries or have our own credit cards or divorce our own husbands . you divorce our own husbands. you know, there's a reason that women have been treated horrifically throughout at american society for hundreds of years. and that is not anything to do with identity. it's not to do with preferred pronouns . it's do with preferred pronouns. it's because we are women. it is because we are women. it is because we are adult human females. and i'm not particularly interested in now turning around and pretending as though that category of human beings exist. why that beings doesn't exist. why that you think that people are so frightened to speak out about

this particular issue? why is it that think you know, that you think you know, everyone that. no human everyone knows that. no human being ever changed sex and being has ever changed sex and therefore that is a fact that should just generally be acknowledged by surely by everyone that everyone authority. and that does have ramifications for the way in which you legislate in certain areas. why are people not more this not speaking out more about this 7 not speaking out more about this ? know, when you tell ? well, you know, when you tell people the prison people about the prison situation sports situation or the sports situation, are situation, most people are outraged . yeah. and i think it's outraged. yeah. and i think it's true that still huge swaths of the american population have absolutely no idea how that's possible. it is a mystery to me because i've been tapped into this since 2014, but i do think a lot of people really don't maybe just people aren't paying attention . and you're that attention. and you're right that once are aware of it, once people are aware of it, they absolutely outraged . i they are absolutely outraged. i do want to say that , when do just want to say that, when we people, if we're we talk about people, if we're talking ordinary, average talking about ordinary, average americans , i think it's fair to americans, i think it's fair to say most people know if say that most people know if we're talking about leaders we're talking about the leaders , democratic which is , the democratic party, which is the party which i have always the party to which i have always belonged and still belong, they know. and the democratic party,

my party leaders have been completely captured by this and it's very frustrating. but i will also that the republican party has been either unable or unwilling to stand up and take a stand against it. i'd be curious to know how that plays out in the uk. i do follow and i watch what the labour party is doing and i watch what your labour leader has say on this topic. but the more conservative party, at least in my country, is not taking stand against it either taking a stand against it either . that's i mean, the . no, that's right. i mean, the labour of course, they are fully aware of the situation. but keir starmer has struggled to define what woman is, as have many members the labour party, but members of the labour party, but also members of the conservative party. like say, party. and like you say, it's not case. they can't be not the case. they can't be aware of because it should aware of this because it should be job to some basic be theirjob to do some basic research in with nicola sturgeon's snp . when feminists sturgeon's snp. when feminists have said that there are there are consequences to are serious consequences to housing men and women's prisons, etc, she says that those arguments have no merit. she just dismisses. now, can it be the case that people at that level authority simply don't

level of authority simply don't understand or is understand the issues, or is that they're being disingenuous? and ? think they're and if so, why? i think they're being disingenuous. i think in my country the democrats are being disingenuous because they're paid to be so there is a tremendous amount of money behind this movement . and when behind this movement. and when i say this movement , behind this movement. and when i say this movement, i mean the movement to abolish sex and enshrine gender identity throughout the law and it is my belief that the democratic party has been bought and paid for and is going to keep continuing to push until holds push this until someone holds them . i like i said, i don't them. i like i said, i don't think the republicans are willing or able at this point to hold them to account. my even bigger frustration is with the media because our media has also been completely captured and if we could shine some light and if we could shine some light and if we could shine some light and if we could have an honest conversation about what's going on in the american mainstream media, i think average, ordinary americans across the political spectrum would be absolutely outraged. i from democrat rank and file democrats day on social

media in my inbox, rank and file , traditional leftist in america are absolutely outraged, but we cannot get a voice . most cannot get a voice. most mainstream media outlets . okay, mainstream media outlets. okay, well, lots to think about there. kyra, thank you so much for joining tonight. really appreciate it. thank you . and appreciate it. thank you. and after the break, i'm free speech nafion after the break, i'm free speech nation historian david oldroyd boehlert will be here to discuss the significance of pope benedict xvi who passed away on new year's eve. in a moment.

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an help ncis deal with 're going help of my panel, sigil, akashi an help ncis deal with your)ing to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas so if unfiltered dilemmas. so if you've any of problem you've got any kind of problem at all, email us at views . at all, email us at gb views. gbnews.uk. do our gbnews.uk. and we will do our best to answer your issues . best to answer your issues. former pope benedict xvi passed away on new eve at the age of 95. born in germany as joseph ratzinger , benedict was head of ratzinger, benedict was head of the catholic church between april 2005 and february 2013 when he resigned to be replaced by pope francis . benedict then by pope francis. benedict then chose to be known as pope emeritus until his death . emeritus until his death. joining me now to discuss the legacy of this hugely significant figure. i'm delighted to welcome the historian journalist david historian and journalist david oldroyd you joining oldroyd. both thank you joining us say good evening . could you us say good evening. could you perhaps give us some understanding of his background , benedict background because you know, he was a very academic individual, wasn't well, individual, wasn't he? well, that's first important that's the first most important thing about pope thing to understand about pope benedict, ratzinger benedict, about joseph ratzinger , that he was , as he was, was that he was really academic. was really an academic. he was a philosopher. he was a full professor the of only 31, professor at the age of only 31, was young by academic was incredibly young by academic standards. began career at standards. he began career at the university of bonn. he then moved and 1968, at

moved on and in 1968, at t'ubingen was when he really started to move from being was considered on the liberal side of the church into seen as more of the church into seen as more of a conservative. because this is the time in 1968 when all around europe there was student ferment. there was a famous animal in paris where the students ripped up the cobblestones outside the sorbonne, europe, in sorbonne, all across europe, in america were america, in fact, there were student protesters, the democratic convention democratic national convention of students in support , of 68 west students in support, rfk right dissent . so this rfk right to dissent. so this was a time at which pope francis, pope benedict, started to think of himself as changing in his church, friendship in his approach to the church. and then this solidified later on his academic appointments and i think it is important to note that he always considered himself really to be not a modernist. but on the more liberal side, he was certainly no ossified, traditionalist and that people. well that will surprise people. well indeed, during the process of vatican two, the second vatican council, he was of the council, he was one of the advisors who was in favour of some more liberal easing some of the more liberal easing aspects. now, of course, when he

was later on, he reiterate was pope later on, he reiterate that that did not mean that traditional practises could not be engaged in such as the celebration of the old rate of the latin mass. it's important to note much against popular view, it was still after vatican to perfectly permissible to celebrate the mass in latin says a lot of people decided not to. there was a wants call the novus ordo a new order of service which was in latin. but the difference was that after 19 after the second vatican council, after the 1960s, there was more participate in by the congregation. whereas older congregation. whereas the older which under some more and pontificate 27 again pontificate 27 was once again permitted to be used. there was more of a focus on collective prayer , with the priest standing prayer, with the priest standing out, orient him to the east, the altar and all of the congregation facing with him. there has always him in the catholic church . and just this catholic church. and just this idea that there was less sort of audience participation. people forget how sort of radical vatican two was in many ways. but it's interesting to hear you talk about liberal side of the

talk about a liberal side of the church versus a conservative side of the church and benedict's along benedict's sort of journey along those lot of people those lines. a lot of people will surprised that will be surprised by that because, isn't because, of course, surely isn't the of the catholic the appeal of the catholic church its traditionalism, the fact it will always be fact that it will always be conservative? it's one of conservative? well it's one of those the great those things from the great catholic brideshead catholic novel brideshead revisited,character, said, the main character, said, i thought thing about thought the thing about catholics everybody are catholics was everybody says are supposed to know what they believe. thing is believe. well, the thing is that, yes, catholics do know what they believe in the broadest, general sense. broadest, most general sense. but congregation of 2 but in any congregation of 2 billion in any billion believers in any hierarchy with thousands and thousands and thousands of priests, bishops, cardinals, and then pope at the top, you're then the pope at the top, you're going variance of going to have a variance of view. i think view. and i think it's an important thing to note that. in the there the catholic church, there and always been right from the always has been right from the foundation of the church. already second century already in the second century ad, always been a.d, there has always been debate about the of debate about the nature of christ, about christ, always been debate about the nature of the service, about the nature of the service, about the role women. it's that the role of women. it's that that can be seen with an that debate can be seen with an historical perspective to what are too often. wayne and therefore it can seem that there is over 2000 years only one direction of travel. yeah there's of the

there's an impression of the catholic that you know, catholic church that you know, you've got catechism you've got the catechism and those are the rules and. you go there that and that's it. there for that and that's it. actually, always debates actually, there always debates flourishing, always on, always should need should be. otherwise you need intellectual vitality in order should be. otherwise you need intenjoyual vitality in order should be. otherwise you need intenjoyual vitalichurch'der should be. otherwise you need intenjoyual vitalichurch does to enjoy that the church does not and not ossify and become and totally irrelevant. that is not totally irrelevant. that is not to however, and this is to say, however, and this is where benedict be seen as where benedict would be seen as conservative, that the church should itself the should change itself for the relevant unlike, relevant to be relevant, unlike, say, anglican church, which say, the anglican church, which seems preoccupation seems have a preoccupation with this. benedict's whole idea this. yes, benedict's whole idea was that the church is a rock and that people to it in times of unsteadiness. and that people to it in times of unsteadiness . and while you of unsteadiness. and while you get other churches such as the anglican but also even sort of the baptist america. the baptist church in america. so of tagging on to so it's sort of tagging on to these very sort of new ideologies about identity. it does feel like the catholic for, however, francis is, relatively speaking will immune to those speaking will be immune to those kind developments. you kind of developments. do you think i don't think that's right? i don't think that's right? i don't think it is fair to say is immune. and i would state that yes would aver that the yes or i would aver that the francis is in respect more francis is in this respect more traditional his traditional than many of his critics give credit critics would give him credit for. yes there has been talk in the german church particularly

about the possibility of divorcees remarry divorcees being able to remarry and take communion and possibly even married men might even that married men might become priests , or rather that become priests, or rather that priests might be able to marry. married men can become through the ordinary. but i think the point to here is that the point to offer here is that the catholic church is much less likely than other churches like the episcopalian church, the church with simply church to go along with simply because the size it. there because of the size of it. there are 2 billion catholics and though it is in a hierarchical organisation , there is a great, organisation, there is a great, i suppose, respect for debate and respect also for the validity of tradition unless it's changed at something like a vatican council , of which there vatican council, of which there are only been two. of course that's not to say there haven't been other ecumenical councils, but i think that benedict was particularly in this regard because the great because he saw the great crime as he think as relativism. he didn't think of politics so much as he did against a relative versus an idea of truth . and indeed , he, idea of truth. and indeed, he, in one of his most famous quotes, he said that the problem with relativism is essentially that it translates or brings

relative ideas and objective opinions to the status of truth and in that you get totalitarianism . so this was his totalitarianism. so this was his great preoccupation . and i think great preoccupation. and i think he looked at the world around him after the 1968 event and going into the nineties and 20005 going into the nineties and 2000s when he was congregation head of the congregation for the doctrine and pope and doctrine of and then pope and thought that this is something that could really he that he as pope could really he could stop this idea that everything was up for grabs, that everything and that everything totally and utterly irrelevant the sense utterly irrelevant in the sense of truth and it only mattered what you believed and that there were, universal truths were, in fact, universal truths and brought this back were, in fact, universal truths anthe brought this back were, in fact, universal truths anthe figure brought this back were, in fact, universal truths anthe figure of)rought this back were, in fact, universal truths anthe figure of jesus|t this back were, in fact, universal truths anthe figure of jesus christ back to the figure of jesus christ that the belief in jesus christ was the central rock upon which christianity was built. or rather, in divinity rather, the belief in divinity and resurrection. and that cleaving eternal truths cleaving to those eternal truths is brought together is what brought together as a species. and you think that will be his legacy? because be partly his legacy? because the it to that the moment it feels to me that that relativism is that emphasis on relativism is more than everjust more important than ever just because truth well, there because truth that well, there are truths now, are multiple truths now, multiple knowing that's multiple ways of knowing that's very if the very fashionable. but if the catholic church can cleave to

that idea, as it benedict's that idea, as it did, benedict's idea relativism , then maybe idea of relativism, then maybe things improve . well, i things can improve. well, i think it's one of the things that as a catholic, you can actually some comfort actually take some some comfort in, fact that there in, despite the fact that there are parts of church that are parts of the church that would this. and there it would dispute this. and there it is short a time to go into is too short a time to go into this. but it's not to say that the whole catholic church believes absolutely the idea believes absolutely in the idea of versus relativism, of absolutism versus relativism, but i think overall it tells and i think the thing that benedict's legacy will for all of us is that he showed the philosophical and intellectual validity of this point of view, when the whole of the intellectual really around the western world was from the 6060s onwards saying, well , there is onwards saying, well, there is no such thing as a truth , there no such thing as a truth, there is no such thing as you real objectivism. there is only this relative idea that depends on certain and context. i think the fact that this man was for the best part of 50 years there and, respected as an intellectual , best part of 50 years there and, respected as an intellectual, as a philosopher, and then as a p0pe a philosopher, and then as a pope and a virgin. this constantly will be the greatest legacy that he leaves to us.

david oldroyd, thank very much legacy that he leaves to us. da\joining oyd, thank very much legacy that he leaves to us. da\joining me thank very much legacy that he leaves to us. da\joining me today. very much legacy that he leaves to us. da\joining me today. thank|uch legacy that he leaves to us. da\joining me today. thank you for joining me today. thank you . and after the break, author and cultural commentator frank ferretti will join us to discuss the actors who are suing sexual abuse over an oscar winning film made in 1968. go away .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. actors leonard whiting and olivia hussey are suing paramount pictures for sexual abuse overseen in the 1968 film romeo and juliet. the actors are now in their seventies but they were 16 and 15 at the time of the shoot and they claim that the shoot and they claim that the director franco zeffirelli encouraged them to film a nude scene . whiting and hussey are scene. whiting and hussey are looking for damages of more than $500 million because of the

suffering they've experienced and made by the film. and the money made by the film. so joining me to discuss this is the writer and critic frank prady. good evening, frank . prady. good evening, frank. frank i want to ask you first about this. there is some sort of moral ambiguity here. isn't that just simply by dint of the age of the actors when they were involved in film, were they involved in the film, were they were so does not were under age. so does that not make this a clear cut case that this should not have happened? well, because well, it doesn't, because i remember when the film came out, i'm know students i'm old enough to know students , children who watch that , school children who watch that film in schools. it was shown widely many many schools widely in many many schools doing english lessons that were shakespeare. and in those days, nobody had the had any problems with the film . the film is a with the film. the film is a beautiful film. it's very subtly done. beautiful film. it's very subtly done . there's nothing ambiguous done. there's nothing ambiguous about. done. there's nothing ambiguous about . the only problem with the about. the only problem with the film is that from our perspective , people like people perspective, people like people that the guys that run hollywood argued that it should never be made . and the problem is that made. and the problem is that they don't just simply say sort of that it should never be made

. they're telling us that because it should not have been made, it now constitutes some kind of a cultural crime. but we somebody has got to pay . and it somebody has got to pay. and it seems to me that what we're trying to do is essentially through the process of grieving archaeology, try to find scenes from films in the past, which we don't which some people are uncomfortable with and use that as a way of creating a of return to the beginning metoo movement , that metoo, the metoo movement goes back to the distant past and finds new targets decriminalise . and i don't think decriminalise. and i don't think there's any ambiguity about i mean, i don't know if you've seen the film. there's nothing about it. it's a very gentle scene in fact. and i just know, talking to parents at the time they had these are good parents who looked out to their kids. they had no problems about allowing their kids to watch this so—called nude scene. the

argument though, frank, would be that because the actors were underage, they could not possibly consent to being nude in the film . and given that the in the film. and given that the scene itself it has a sexual has a sexual basis to it, then this is different than, say, the nudhy is different than, say, the nudity of , say, is different than, say, the nudity of, say, in roman polanski's macbeth, where you have naked. but have a young boy naked. but there's there's no sexual there's no there's no sexual element scene. so it's a element to that scene. so it's a different thing. do you accept that point? i don't. i think that point? i don't. i think that question of consent is that the question of consent is something that raised time and time again . so some people argue time again. so some people argue that it's wrong that a jewish family insists that their boys should be given certain sides because the child never consented to that . or they will consented to that. or they will say that it's totally wrong that somebody , a catholic child, is somebody, a catholic child, is forced to go into a jesuit seminary because the child didn't consent to that . the didn't consent to that. the point is, is that parents do a lot of things children don't consent because obviously they're underage. they're not who are in a position to make informed consent. and that happens the time within the film

making . so it seems me to kind making. so it seems me to kind of pick out this one area for special consideration is utterly wrong because the logic of that is that anything that children did not consent to in any domain of human experience can become a target for claims for trying to get money out of that. my understanding is that all of this has come about because the statute of limitations has been suspended and therefore action can be taken at this point. but to what extent do you think that the recent legacy of metoo and particularly how that has impacted hollywood, has made these of cases more likely these kinds of cases more likely ? what would convergence ? what this would convergence i don't know if you but for example, molly ringwood who was one of the stars in that famous film, the breakfast club and wrote a series of articles in the new yorker saying that she thought the film should not have been made . it has certain been made. it has certain abusive elements to it. she's not actually claiming money in her case, but i think what's

interesting about her statement on this is that she's basically saying that the kind of values that the metoo movement stands for today to become retrospect , for today to become retrospect, we got to kind of back and look at material in the past and them in light of meet of the metoo criterion , which i think is criterion, which i think is extremely troublesome because essentially what we're is we're almost introducing a new culture of retrospective censorship , a of retrospective censorship, a very kind of retrospective legal back. and we clean up films , we back. and we clean up films, we basically find a certain pictures that needs to be somehow censored. i know that you . remember that very famous you. remember that very famous picture of jean—paul sartre where he's there, who ? sorry, where he's there, who? sorry, albert camus smoking a cigarette and in many, many places that the cigarette has been taking us to the floor, guys. just sort of standing or sitting there like that. i begin to do that with cartoons and gradually with great films, great use of the. and i do think that it's bad

enoughin and i do think that it's bad enough in the metoo movement inside censorship in the here and now i think it's even words but it tries to do that with the incredible , important works of incredible, important works of art in the past. so this is you see this very much as a as a continuation of the other trend that we have seen of people attempting to problematise films that were made many, many years ago and even take certain scenes out of films and that kind of thing. right . exactly. thing. is that right. exactly. i think the way basically think the way of basically saying that i've got a right because of my sensibility to decide what that film should look like, not the director, not the artistic producers , but me. the artistic producers, but me. the censor is going to have to have the final say. there's also one additional element in this is see in hollywood , there's now is see in hollywood, there's now a group of individuals who are making a lot of money essentially by going . and if you essentially by going. and if you think you've been abused, you think you've been abused, you think you've been traumatised follow up and we'll and launch a lawsuit your behalf. and i think that's going to be a lot more

cases like this because what you have here is the convergence , have here is the convergence, censorship is identity politics on the one hand and moneymaking on the one hand and moneymaking on the one hand and moneymaking on the other hand. so it's a powerful combination. i'm going to have to stop you at that point because we have run out of time. thank you so for time. but thank you so for joining me tonight. really appreciate that. that is it for the 20 from the first hour, 20 still from tonight. after the break, i'm going to be talking about the censorship crippling going to be talking about the cen academic crippling going to be talking about the cen academic world. :rippling going to be talking about the cen academic world. more ng the academic world. more questions, course. my questions, of course. my wonderful don't go wonderful audience. don't go away .

plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week , free speech nation this week, including more questions from our wonderful studio audience. and we'll hear from the taxpayer alliance. but let's get a news update first from aaron armstrong . good evening. i'm

armstrong. good evening. i'm aaron armstrong and the gb newsroom, the prime minister has indicated he is willing to address nurses demands for more money declined to rule money and has declined to rule reopening this year's pay deal. speaking to bbc where she speaking to the bbc where she i accepted the nature is under enormous pressure. what suggested much of it was done to the point now it's understood strikes will go ahead as planned. this despite mr. sunak's comments earlier. the royal college of nursing have urged number ten to meet the union halfway in its demand for a 19% pay rise. the shadow health secretary wes streeting , health secretary wes streeting, says labour couldn't afford that either . i'm says labour couldn't afford that either. i'm afraid i did have to say to the nurses, however much i totally sympathise their pay claim. we would i would concur on in all honesty to say if i was in government today i'd be to give the 19. but we did we would sit down and negotiate. i think that's what the government should do. meanwhile, the health minister, maria caulfield gb news, she agrees with the prime

minister that although the nhs is facing undeniable pressure this winter, there are mitigating . we're seeing a twin mitigating. we're seeing a twin of both covid and flu. we're seeing over 50% increase in the number of patients in with flu at the moment. that has knock on effect if beds aren't available for a&e, which leads to the long waits which you describe and it has a knock on effect on ambulances being stuck at a&e trying unload their patients trying to unload their patients . let's turn to a developing story in brazil. supporters of former far right president bolsonaro have invaded congress. the supreme and they've surrounded the presidential palace. the dramatic scenes in the capital, brasilia , come just the capital, brasilia, come just a week after the new president, lula da silva inauguration. bolsonaro supporter who are refusing accept that he lost the election, are calling for military intervention . it draws military intervention. it draws parallels with the january the sixth storming of the us capitol following donald trump's defeat

. president lula is currently on an official visit in. the state of sao paulo , russia claims it's of sao paulo, russia claims it's killed more than 600 ukrainian soldiers in an attack in the east of the country. its defence ministry says the missile strike was revenge for ukraine's attack . russian barracks in moscow controlled part of on new year's eve that led to the deaths of at least 89 russian troops. moscow has yet to provide evidence of the attack . ukraine has rejected the attack. ukraine has rejected the attack. ukraine has rejected the kremlin's as propaganda . the kremlin's as propaganda. further shouting took place in parts of ukraine shortly after russia ended its self—declared ceasefire. to mark orthodox christmas , china has reopened christmas, china has reopened its borders for the first time in three years after imposing travel restrictions . the almost travel restrictions. the almost the whole of the pandemic . the whole of the pandemic. incoming travellers will now no longer need to quarantine . but longer need to quarantine. but they will still need proof of a

negative pcr test taken within 48 hours of travelling. china recently dismantled its zero covid policy which included some of the tightest restrictions , of the tightest restrictions, including frequent testing and mass lockdowns. at some billion trips are expected over the chinese new year this month , chinese new year this month, hundreds of people have been protesting in central london solidarity with anti—government demonstrations in iran . demonstrations in iran. protesters marched through trafalgar earlier, calling for justice yesterday . two men were justice yesterday. two men were executed by the iranian regime for allegedly killing a member of the security forces during last year . of the security forces during last year. human rights organisations have described their trial as a sham . tv, their trial as a sham. tv, online and dab+ radio. this is gb news, but now it is back to the debate .

the debate. culture warriors work very fast in the space of about ten years. they've managed to capture all our major institutions from academia to the arts, the corporate world to the public sector. major publishing houses , uprisings from their staff if they publish anything problematic . television problematic. television streaming services. censor scenes that the new clergy don't of or slap warnings on innocuous shows and films from yesteryear . but like i say, none of this would have been conceivable even a decade ago. this week, simon bird , star of the comedy show bird, star of the comedy show the inbetweeners , said in an the inbetweeners, said in an interview that the show wouldn't be made today. but not talking about the black and white minstrels of minstrels or the birth of a nation. we're talking about a sitcom which first aired in 2008. that was basically yesterday as anonymous wit put it on twitter . previous it on twitter. previous generations laughed at what their parents censored. this generation censors what their parents laughed at. but there's more at stake than just comedy.

and the arts more generally, the same kind of mentality that would see old comedies censored is crippling the academic is also crippling the academic world. today's students are receiving a sanitised form of education, one that patronise sees them and assumes that they are delicate and fragile and, incapable of engaging with sensitive topics . and although sensitive topics. and although some young people do fall into this category, it is only a minority. and it is a minority that will grow. the more that of my generation insist on coddling them, on last week's show i spoke to alex more from fire, the foundation for individual rights and expression. we discussed art history professor who sacked by hamline who had been sacked by hamline university minnesota for university in minnesota for showing a mediaeval image in class of the prophet mohammed. now, this is a significant image in the history of islamic art and is often a feature of such classes. it was shown for less than minutes the class. than 10 minutes in the class. the professor had warned the students that it would be shown and only or complained and only one or two complained afterwards. course, afterwards. of course, self—respecting of self—respecting institution of higher education would have told the complainants stop wasting

the complainants to stop wasting their time, but instead it was decided the decision decided that the decision to show the was, quote, show the image was, quote, undeniably inconsiderate, disrespectful and islamophobic, and the professor was sacked. the university claims that given that this academic , what they that this academic, what they call an adjunct in other a teacher not on permanent contract. this doesn't qualify as a sacking . well, such petty as a sacking. well, such petty fogging aside, we can surely all agree that it certainly doesn't qualify as a robust defence of academic freedom. but then academic freedom. but then academic freedom. but then academic freedom is no longer the priority many institutions. here's the rather chilling statement which the university has confirmed reflect its position. written by hemlines associate vice president for inclusive excellence . yes, inclusive excellence. yes, that's actually a thing we have learned over many years that knowledge can be shared in a multitude of responsible, thoughtful and respectful ways . thoughtful and respectful ways. our response to the classroom event does disregard or minimise the of academic the importance of academic freedom. does state that freedom. it does state that respect, decency and appreciation of religious and other differences should supersede when we know that what we teach will cause harm. when

does a work of art cause harm ? i does a work of art cause harm? i suppose if there was an earthquake , florence, someone earthquake, florence, someone might end up being crushed by. michelangelo's david. but on the whole , the notion harm or whole, the notion of harm or safety has absolutely nothing to do with art. the statement continues . academic freedom is continues. academic freedom is very important, but it does not have to come at the expense of care and decency towards others. so there you have it. academic freedom is not hemlines priority . the university's priority apparently is making sure no students have their feelings hurt. that's not really a university then, is it? it's a creche . but what else should we creche. but what else should we expect from the associate vice president for excellence? i mean, he's even the top dog in his field. if the department of inclusive excellence has an associate vice president , then associate vice president, then presumably it also has a vice president and the president and see a of staff members for see a lot of staff members for a department that is essentially pointless lot of money to pointless and a lot of money to spend institution spend to turn your institution into laughing stock. and i'm into a laughing stock. and i'm sure that the alumni who will have attended hamline university before was ideologically captured probably to have

captured are probably to have to stop those checks unless stop writing those checks unless things and that kind of things improve. and that kind of things improve. and that kind of thing is already happening here in last week it was in the uk. last week it was reported the fund reported that the hedge fund manager, hilary durham manager, mark hilary durham university's , who has university's top donor, who has donated over university's top donor, who has donated ove r £7 million to the donated over £7 million to the university in the last eight years, has said he will not give a penny more until they get their house properly their free house properly in order giving money to free order he's giving money to free speech union instead a much sounder. to return to the case of hamline. it's worth noting that some academics have made the effort explain to students and administrators why showing the image of mohammed was not islamophobic all. christine islamophobic at all. christine gruber, an expert in islamic art at the university of michigan, wrote an article pointing out that painting in question that the painting in question was significant in the was hugely significant in the history her subject. others history of her subject. others noted not all muslims noted that not all muslims object showing the image of object to showing the image of mohammed appears mohammed and his face appears in many examples of islamic art throughout history. mark bergson, the department bergson, chair of the department religion at hamline university, wrote a letter the oracle, wrote a letter to the oracle, the newspaper in which the student newspaper in which he the following . i believe

he said the following. i believe that the context an art that in the context of an art history showing an history classroom showing an islamic representation of the prophet muhammad, a painting that was done to honour muhammad and important and depict an important historical an historical moment is not an example . islamophobia labelling example. islamophobia labelling . it this way is not only inaccurate but also takes our attention of real examples of bigotry and hate . surely that bigotry and hate. surely that would have done the trick? no. that letter was actually removed from the publication's website only two days after it appeared , because if rational arguments get the way of your ideological narrative, it's best to scrub them out and prevent they would prevent pretend that they were never uttered. now, i do hope that professor question that the professor in question is , i hope that is reinstated, and i hope that her story raises awareness of . her story raises awareness of. the ongoing erosion of higher education, something that many people continue to deny. the truth is that once any institution succumbs to an ideology , function becomes ideology, function becomes secondary to the propagation of that ideology . and when it comes that ideology. and when it comes to education, that's potentially catastrophic for the

intellectual health of future . intellectual health of future. so when asked about both about the hamline university sacking the hamline university sacking the professor for showing this hugely significant work of art within islamic art, this is an expert in islamic art. it's not that they were trying to offend or and they sacked or upset people and they sacked what's going did they show what's going on. did they show it a maths class reaching it during a maths class reaching a mandate? no because then a civic mandate? no because then they see the problem they could see what the problem be. with an be. surprising them with an image. i get why they're doing algebra. yeah that be algebra. yeah that would be disrespectful, but the image dunng disrespectful, but the image during a where they've during a class where they've actually not only warned them verbally, warned them in verbally, but warned them in written they will written form that they will be shown is an integral shown. and it is an integral aspect of the subject. i mean, then really seriously warning those not what those kids, if that's not what they study, that's i they should study, that's i mean, of stories mean, these kind of stories really because really me angry because everything in moderation and i like and i hate extremism of any kind. there is at the heart kind. so there is at the heart of this, there's intentions of this, there's good intentions which make sure that there which is to make sure that there isn't like kids on something real cases of right. in this

instance it is something that somebody else did many years ago and everybody was okay about it then why are we not okay about hateful now? are we conflating this academic who clearly is trying to teach this subject? well to the best of their ability with the kind of person who would up a koran or who would tear up a koran or i know? i know because they know what i mean. yet because they don't, real stuff don't, i lose the real stuff that's going on out there and it israel is happening and then it makes say, oh god, you makes people say, oh god, you know, people are going on about racism, race racism, islamophobia, you race baiting but that's baiting and stuff. but that's what's about what's happening? we talk about this and just this outside logic and it just goes whole where goes a whole circle where there's that there's real issues. they that because are so tiptoeing because we are so tiptoeing around anyone's hurt feelings and usually hurt feelings of those precious little what we should them i don't know this new generation of you know just idiots who we call the minority . they can't take sarcasm. they can't take anything . what what can't take anything. what what purpose you serve. why? i'm calling . it's over. we'll just calling. it's over. we'll just to just die on this with these

horrible future that we're producing . if they can't producing. if they can't seriously do just not happy in the evening , people are saying the evening, people are saying down. they take on a little bit of my skew francis because before talked about that, i spoke about this story about the being a and it is all to do with offence are worried about offence people are worried about offence people are worried about offence particularly comedy offence but particularly comedy but also in art. isn't offence quite interesting to quite an interesting thing to happen? thing is you happen? but the thing is you can't people being can't protect people from being offended. not protecting offended. it's not protecting people from made or people from being made or frustrated sad that is just a frustrated or sad that is just a lie . doesn't matter what you do lie. doesn't matter what you do , it doesn't matter how safe or anodyne or innocuous you make your universe lecture or your comedy routine. it will always offend someone . was a comedian offend someone. was a comedian at the edinburgh festival who was very clean . he's very, very was very clean. he's very, very woke, very guy, very liberal, and he did a routine all about animals. and he said that pugs were ugly . these humans stood up were ugly. these humans stood up in middle, swore at him and said

, i've got a pug, you're disgusting . and stormed out . so disgusting. and stormed out. so are we going to shut him for down saying that pugs are ugly? i mean, i like pug, so i've got to. i'm on her side at that point. but look, you raised very interesting points, nancy. probably get on to that in moment. let's some questions moment. let's get some questions from studio audience. we've from our studio audience. we've got a question from edward. edward, hi happy new year edward, hello. hi happy new year to think we should to you. do think that we should put more statues of put up some more statues of greta thunberg? i don't we greta thunberg? i don't think we can statues of greta can have statues of greta thunberg. in thunberg. i've asked for one in the and this is the gb news studio, and this is up that. you will have read up by that. you will have read about story because the students at accused at the university accused of greenwashing spen t £24,000 on a greenwashing spent £24,000 on a life of gretta. this life size statue of gretta. this was university, life size statue of gretta. this wasway. university, life size statue of gretta. this wasway. i university, life size statue of gretta. this wasway. i mean,iniversity, life size statue of gretta. this wasway. i mean, it'szrsity, life size statue of gretta. this wasway. i mean, it's a;ity, life size statue of gretta. this wasway. i mean, it's a lot of the way. i mean, it's a lot of money, isn't it? straight? i mean, you i don't have mean, you know, i don't have anything gretta, but anything against gretta, but it feels bit she's become feels a bit like she's become almost a religious icon to some people. yeah, i mean, to be honest, like couple of weeks honest, like a couple of weeks ago, totally owned tate. ago, totally owned andrew tate. and , i'm like and for that reason, i'm like maybe two could get together, do a fundraising thing, crowdfunding, then put crowdfunding, and then put together a than 24,000. together a lot more than 24,000. and she can have a statue

and then she can have a statue too but to too in a house. but to be getting a house with owning solar you know sorry no solar power to you know sorry no i don't think solar power to you know sorry no i don't thin the i don't think £24,000 on the statue of what a 19 year old statue of a what a 19 year old girl thinks 20 now. oh, she's 12. she's 20. will stop acting 18 then. sorry i, i don't think i mean i think she does do some amazing things. you know, she's, you know, i'm not going to take her i think anybody who her off. i think anybody who does the thing is really there's something with them that something wrong with them that she's yeah, but she's a young girl. yeah, but i think at a point where she think she's at a point where she needs a that's just to needs a statue. that's just to just frances, because we were talking headlines. talking about this on headlines. the other you know, my feeling was, you know, still very was, you know, she's still very young, 20. she young, she's still 20. she doesn't her own mind doesn't really know her own mind yet. ten years time, yet. what if in ten years time, she she's she's environmental she she's she's an environmental complete denialist? she says nothing's believe nothing's going. i can't believe i that stuff and maybe i said all that stuff and maybe she'll go out and try and topple her own statue and that'll be quite interesting to me. greta thunberg school thunberg is a bunking off school story of hand. story that got out of hand. that's what she was just so i'm worried about environment. i don't to go to school who don't want to go to school who indulge a posh parents indulge a posh middle parents going don't have

going question you don't have to going question you don't have to go school a sudden she go to school all of a sudden she doesn't go school. doesn't have to go to school. everyone's listening her. everyone's listening to her. she's it and this she's thinking, i'm it and this is happened. to be fair, is what's happened. to be fair, you know, lots of kids got off school because of these environmental pressures. exactly. didn't exactly. and schools didn't even care. like, okay, no, care. they were like, okay, no, no, that's fair enough. you go off glad that off and protest. i'm glad that you're politically active. i mean, that's ridiculous little kids off school of kids want a day off school of course. it's boring. but course. it's so boring. but there's a far darker element to there's a far darker element to the thunberg case that the greta thunberg case that nobody about. this is nobody ever talks about. this is an girl who was 15 when an autistic girl who was 15 when she public prominence. she rose to public prominence. she most she became one of the most famous people world at famous people in the world at that time. and the problem with having autism of the challenges that these people face, is it also a lot of the time of also comes a lot of the time of society disorder. yeah. so what you're doing is you're making a young who not young person who has not consented does consented and does not understand it is to be that understand what it is to be that globally and you were putting understand what it is to be that globa on and you were putting understand what it is to be that globa on aid you were putting understand what it is to be that globa on a pedestalere putting them on a pedestal you effectively i mean effectively their life i mean sitting there is a point that we were talking about consent earlier but when it comes to like even you know, like even actors, you know, young well, young stars and stuff, well, effectively became an international i think it's international star. i think it's a good point because it sort of

ties before, ties in with the story before, which they have which obviously they have consent that and did to consent to that and did get to have consent. i mean, she couldn't have made that decision that. a lot of that. and i do think a lot of it's parents kind guiding it's her parents kind of guiding her career and so it's a it's a one representing them and suing them. so let's all make the them. yeah so let's all make the statue you know, in my statue because you know, in my early yeah, yeah, my best. early days, yeah, yeah, my best. just through her just work her through her problems first. okay. well, look, we're going another look, we're going to get another question mary question now from mary. mary hello. think would hello. do you think would still make inbetweeners nowadays. make the inbetweeners nowadays. okay, mentioned this earlier okay, we mentioned this earlier , inbetweeners, the actor , the inbetweeners, the actor simon bird in an interview simon bird said in an interview with the telegraph he doesn't think a comedy think they would make a comedy like inbetweeners that think they would make a comedy like onlyinbetweeners that think they would make a comedy like only made eeners that think they would make a comedy like only made inners that think they would make a comedy like only made in 2008 that think they would make a comedy like only made in 2008 i that think they would make a comedy like only made in 2008 i thinkt think they would make a comedy like only made in 2008 i think it was only made in 2008 i think it finished in 2010. know , i've finished in 2010. you know, i've had a bit mad thing about this. it's fine when i watch a sitcom from like the sixties and seventies think okay we don't we you know that's dating we you know that's dating now. we don't that kind of don't joke about that kind of stuff anymore. i don't think he's censored, by way he's censored, by the way because we're adults and because i think we're adults and we that things change we understand that things change over i'm saying over time. but what i'm saying is wouldn't thing is that we wouldn't make a thing like mind your language or a sitcom of kind or and

sitcom of that kind today or and chips those old chips or whatever. those old sitcoms. but this one, i mean, you was like, what, you watch this was like, what, 15 years gone and it feels 15 years gone by and it feels like was only yesterday kind of i'm struggling of know i'm struggling to kind of know what saying. he's grown 40 what he's saying. he's grown 40 year old man. that year old man. when that happened, he was about happened, i think he was about 30 yeah, 30 when he played there. yeah, that's true. i you know my that's true. i you know where my position cancelling position in terms of cancelling things going back in the past and cancelling things think it's important aware important for us to always aware of history but good, or of our history but good, bad or ugly would it be no, ugly but would it be made? no, it wouldn't because. we'll make something new and different. i i'm that it's because i'm not sure that it's because the they're talking the issues they're talking about, sexism, there's some homophobic, particular homophobic, particular homophobic know. homophobic i didn't know. but this interesting this was the interesting thing because i when the because when i when the inbetweeners and inbetweeners was on and i remember it was outdated at the time because of the time yeah. because all of the characters a real problem time yeah. because all of the charigays a real problem time yeah. because all of the charigay people, real problem time yeah. because all of the charigay people, including em time yeah. because all of the charigay people, including the with gay people, including the minor characters, just sort minor characters, they just sort of off of casually slag gay off of them. that might have been them. like that might have been true in the eighties. and that was when was was certainly true when i was growing up, it feels like growing up, but it feels like they on pulse all of they weren't on pulse at all of what society actually like now. and just dated and so maybe it was just dated from start. i really like from the start. i really like the inbetweeners. i've got to honest with i mean,

honest with you. i mean, the thing made difficult for me thing that made difficult for me with the inbetweeners is always thing that made difficult for me wteacherinbetweeners is always thing that made difficult for me wteacherinbtheaeners is always thing that made difficult for me wteacherinbthe time,. is always thing that made difficult for me wteacherinbthe time,. is aivays thing that made difficult for me wteacherinbthe time,. is al dos a teacher at the time, and i do have a passing to will, which you can see now. so i'll use a walk into a classroom and someone shout briefcase someone used to shout briefcase w at and that would w at me. and then that would make lesson tricky. all make the lesson tricky. all right, particularly right, fair. particularly when we're and juliet we're teaching romeo and juliet . okay. well, . fair enough. okay. well, we're going to be on now to another question from ryan. where is ryan. hello. hello. good evening. you evening. i'm well, are you surprised to that the joke surprised to learn that the joke has become pregnant? oh oh, no. because this because she puts it about this is an old one. they said is so the dc comics and obviously as you the of comics and you know the world of comics and marvel and dc and everything, you know the world of comics and marvbecomeic and everything, you know the world of comics and marvbecome a and everything, you know the world of comics and marvbecome a and oferything, you know the world of comics and marvbecome a and of hyper|g, you know the world of comics and marvbecome a and of hyper woke they become a sort of hyper woke with sort of edition with every sort of new edition that comes and this is now joker the joke has become giving birth to a version of himself. i mean, ihave to a version of himself. i mean, i have no it's all about the nonsense, isn't it? let's be honest. doesn't really honest. i've it doesn't really bother as the whole bother me insofar as the whole thing is nonsense. i've got no interest in it, but doesn't this annoy the fans though this kind of bit preachy, isn't of stuff is a bit preachy, isn't it? emotionally the it? able to emotionally the fans, anyone care fans, but why does anyone care what country. what virgin's thin country. let's honest. you know

let's be honest. do you know what that be where some of those people watch this yeah people watch this show. yeah i know do. not anymore. no, know they do. not anymore. no, not anymore. yeah. all six of them turned no i. them have turned off. no i. people can do what they want . people can do what they want. these characters i do these particular characters i do on the stand. why some people would get upset. because if you particularly engage with a character and you like the type of character that is, if you people messing around with people start messing around with it, i get it. but i just it, then i get it. but i just think it's a non—issue. there's a lot interesting things a lot of interesting things about this and i said comic characters have been changed like think like thor, a woman, i think a spider—man i spider—man became a woman. i think, some like, know, think, oh, some like, you know, various is various things that is happening. but the problem with this the fan base, you this is that the fan base, you know, fans have always know, the comic fans have always been they've always been outsiders. they've always been outsiders. they've always been people never a been people who've never had a problem sexual minorities problem with, sexual minorities or with they or ethnic minorities with they they've of they've always been outside of their so feel their selves. yeah. so they feel a that, they're a bit aggrieved that, they're being out when they're being preached out when they're not the with the problem. yeah, yeah, i, i know it's yeah, yeah. and i, i know it's obviously you pick it up, there's, said, what's there's, like i said, what's happening i that. happening right now. i get that. i i in this the joker i mean i think in this the joker a passes he vomits like a brown

gooey thing. yeah which sounds like he's obviously giving like he's obviously just giving to . and basically it's to a poop. and basically it's his son. it grows up to be really handsome and beautiful so it just sounds ridiculous and it's just like, okay, i don't . it's just like, okay, i don't. so is he pregnant or was it just some glue that turns into maybe maybe it's one of those stories that that sort of someone's that the that sort of someone's just written about in the press and of exaggerated things. just written about in the press and it's of exaggerated things. just written about in the press and it's what(aggerated things. just written about in the press and it's what alljerated things. just written about in the press and it's what all looksj things. just written about in the press and it's what all looks stupid s. but it's what all looks stupid to anyway, we're to me, frankly. anyway, we're going now we going to move now because we have a break. after the have to take a break. after the break on free speech nation, i'm going talk to elliot peck from the taxpayers alliance. and he could here tell us about could be here to tell us about police forces in england and spending rainbow spending £66,000 on rainbow merchandise . yes. yay. see in a merchandise. yes. yay. see in a minute .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. as we touched on at the start of the show, a report claims that police forces in england and wales have spen t £66,000 over a wales have spent £66,000 over a three year period on lgbt themed merchandise. the money spent between 2019 and 2022 and showed that an exact total of between 2019 and 2022 and showed that an exact total 0 f £66,699 that an exact total of £66,699 was spent on items such as rainbow whistles. rainbow rings, rainbow whistles. rainbow rings, rainbow shoelaces, pens and lip balm. so the taxpayers alliance, a behind the investigation and investigations manager elliot keck joins me now. welcome, elliot. thank you for coming . so elliot. thank you for coming. so you conducted this report and you conducted this report and you found out the extent of the spending that's going on here. can you give us some detail about this? well, it's first time i've had a round of applause being on gb news. actually, that nice time. actually, that was a nice time. but we tried to massage it. yeah, yeah, yeah. so that we have this term in have this. there's this term in journalism so journalism called colour. so this to to the this is used to refer to the additional that sort additional detail that sort bnngs additional detail that sort brings to life a story. and i think there's absolutely tonnes

there. pretty shocking there. and it's pretty shocking this not just sort you know, this not just sort of, you know, a fly above the a rainbow flag fly above the forces headquarters your own pride there pride month. there is a absolutely amount here. absolutely huge amount here. it's and there's it's about 66 grand. and there's some really brightly some really, really brightly coloured a lip balm. coloured items. it's a lip balm. rainbow. yeah, lip balm. so apparently, i think that apparently, yes. i think that was police got was lancashire police got rainbow balm, rainbow coloured lip balm, northamptonshire police got rainbow frames . rainbow coloured selfie frames. kent police two types of rainbow pens , a curvy pen and a grip pen pens, a curvy pen and a grip pen . and then my favourite wiltshire police bought something called a rainbow fuzzy bag, which i actually don't know what it is. so i'm sure it's essential in the, you know, the pursuit and i'm sure i'm entitled fighting crime. yeah, absolutely. well, this is interesting because all interesting because we've all seen the of and the seen the sort of livery and the rainbow because we've seen rainbow because we've all seen police doing police officers doing the macarena marches . macarena at pride marches. haven't better things haven't they got better things to well, one does wonder. i to do? well, one does wonder. i mean, the stats on crime are really actually quite appalling. so 5% of crimes the so only 5% of crimes in the latest year were to latest year were led to a charge? yeah, it was down from about 15% seven years ago. and crime is up about sort of five, 6% since before the pandemic. so

yes , you know, clearly there is yes, you know, clearly there is a lot for the police be getting on when you have a on with. and when you have a culture which going culture in which they're going out rainbow bags framed out buying rainbow bags framed by water by spokes, running by water bottles, do have to wonder bottles, you do have to wonder if there's something wrong there. want know there. i still want to know what a rainbow fuzzy bug looked at often. couldn't quite find out often. i couldn't quite find out who's stuff. who's for all this stuff. i mean, just don't. can't mean, i just don't. can't imagine officers imagine gay police officers saying need to be validated saying they need to be validated by key. i think this is probably part that you touch part of a theme that you touch on in show, which is on a lot in your show, which is the over of institutions by, the over of our institutions by, h.r. departments, diversity department staffed people department staffed with people may degrees that haven't may be got degrees that haven't them to fruitful employment them to the fruitful employment that hoping. do that they were hoping. do you think that's these people think that's all of these people to relevant and justify to remain relevant and justify their hope their. well, i certainly hope thatis their. well, i certainly hope that is not the actual police chiefs and police officers chiefs and the police officers themselves that are buying this would a bit more reassuring would be a bit more reassuring if relatively useless if it was the relatively useless back staff. yes. mean, back office staff. yes. i mean, isuppose have back office staff. yes. i mean, i suppose have to go along i suppose they have to go along with they. the police, with it, don't they. the police, you they don't really have you know, they don't really have a they have to do a choice. well they have to do the tock and that the tick tock dances and that kind thing. or is that, that kind of thing. or is that, that feels like that's coming from

them. yeah. i mean them. yeah. yeah. i mean possibly, possibly. but then what because what do we do this because ultimately a serious ultimately there is a serious point is that the point here, which is that the progress flag, isn't progress pride flag, which isn't just which always just the rainbow, which always used associated with gay used to be associated with gay rights. it's one with rights. yeah, it's the one with the extra chevrons. yeah. the extra big circles. extra symbols, the big circles. there's a circle for intersex rights, there's a an rights, there's a symbol, an umbrella. recently, sex umbrella. and recently, sex workers. whole workers. right? so the whole thing, you know, thing, a big mess, you know, it's really ugly. it's an absolute shambles, you and absolute shambles, you know, and you people to be able you expect gay people to be able to colour, coordinate but apparently not. and the thing about actually about that flag is actually it has a kind ideological meaning. yeah it doesn't mean equality for rainbow flag to for as the rainbow flag used to mean the progress pride flag is a movement is a particularly movement is ideological in nature and many people interpret as being anti—gay and anti—women. so aren't they sort of picking sides in a really sort of dodgy culture? yeah, i think that's a concern and by definition the rainbow includes all colours of spectrum. yeah. so you think it's all serves a purpose and it's all serves a purpose and it's crossing the it's actually crossing the pubuc it's actually crossing the public quite lot public institutions quite a lot of because you keep on of money because if you keep on updating flag every year, updating the flag every year, yes. have keep on buying yes. you have to keep on buying

a flag every year because a new flag every year because the is no good anymore. the old one is no good anymore. but maybe that's the point. there's a sort of fantastical element. know, element. yeah well, you know, when these when they put all these progress, pride flags all the way down street in way down regent street in that very of stairway, very very sort of a stairway, very scary, militaristic of way. and a of feminists i've spoken a lot of feminists i've spoken to, gay people i spoke to, a lot of gay people i spoke to, a lot of gay people i spoke to, say that pride, to, they say that that pride, that flag not represent them and is openly hostile is actually openly hostile towards and on the towards them. so and on the police to serve police it's supposed to serve without fear or favour. are they supposed to impartial? well, supposed to be impartial? well, absolutely. why, absolutely. i think this is why, you spending really you know, this spending really needs because it needs to stop, because if it starts go into you know, starts to go into a, you know, a certain commitment to and ideological which can be ideological cause, which can be very, you know, cause problems for many, people, that's for many, many people, that's when needs to be cut when it really needs to be cut out. do you some of this when it really needs to be cut 0lcoming»u some of this when it really needs to be cut 0lcoming from some of this when it really needs to be cut 0lcoming from the ome of this when it really needs to be cut 0lcoming from the collegethis when it really needs to be cut 0lcoming from the college of; is coming from the college of policing? know, this policing? i mean, you know, this is quango course that runs is the quango course that runs the all police the training for all police officers years officers and they have for years insisted things insisted on on certain things such crime hate such as non crime hate incidents, as the idea incidents, such as the idea someone a protected someone from a protected characteristic can perceive that something based something been hurtful and based on prejudice and therefore it gets as gets logged as a, as a, as a hate incident. yeah. yeah, right. they were told by the home to, stop doing this.

home office to, stop doing this. they the courts you they were told by the courts you know, court this know, the high court said this is they on is unlawful and they carried on and really now you've and it's only really now you've had philp saying had chris philp recently saying he's chief he's going to make sure chief constable stop doing it. but is it the case that the police it just the case that the police themselves are completely themselves are now completely captured? and this is another sign well, i certainly sign of that. well, i certainly hope i hope it's not too late and i certainly hope can be done certainly hope this can be done i college of policing is i mean, college of policing is certainly did certainly a problem. we did investigation that basically uncovered inclusive language guide. so a different instruction forces instruction to police forces about their and phrases that they are allowed but they are not allowed to use but i that i mean i certainly hope that something can be done. i mean, we've for what we've always called for what call a bonfire quangos, call a bonfire of the quangos, which a lot of which is why scrap a lot of these bring it under these bodies, bring it under more of more direct control of ministers. problem ministers. because the problem is create quango for is if you create quango for every single issue or cause or whatever very difficult every single issue or cause or wh.ministers very difficult every single issue or cause or wh.ministers to ary difficult every single issue or cause or wh.ministers to getiifficult every single issue or cause or wh.ministers to getiif under for ministers to get it under control not control because it's not just the a civil as the quangos, it's a civil as well. does feel lot well. and it does feel a lot like the machinery government like the machinery of government is captured the is captured and that the government be a little government seem to be a little bit to do anything bit impotent to do anything about it's ordinary. about it. well, it's ordinary. i mean of conservative mean 12 years of conservative government forces government and police forces vying bucks, right? vying reign by 40 bucks, right? yeah. but that's my point is that that doesn't feel like a very conservative thing. nobody

has the tories very conservative thing. nobody harthis. the tories very conservative thing. nobody harthis. you the tories very conservative thing. nobody harthis. you know, the tories very conservative thing. nobody harthis. you know, again,ories very conservative thing. nobody harthis. you know, again, again on this. you know, again, again we keep about what keir we keep hearing about what keir starmer's labour party will do and will escalate and how they will escalate all of because they know of this because they don't know what for instance, what a woman is. for instance, you basic you know, it's a very basic level they're going to get level they're not going to get get these cultural sorted out. but really of this happened but really of this has happened under the tories watch frankly we i mean you know we have has i mean you know whoever government next whoever is in government next next time the next next time after the next election be at sort election should be at this sort of spending thinking of spending and thinking actually our actually, is this really our priority regardless of what you think you know, the think of the, you know, the specific diversity agenda and yourjob at specific diversity agenda and your job at the taxpayers alliance identify your job at the taxpayers allian

know, che t shirts or know, che guevara t shirts or so. we would also so. yeah. then we would also have that have a problem with that wouldn't because it would be wouldn't we. because it would be them showing of. well, them showing a sort of. well, maybe next research maybe that's my next research project. you think project. well do you think they're actually doing that? well, do you well, i certainly not. so do you have hope that this will actually attention to actually drawing attention to this in way this kind of thing in the way that you will put pressure that you have will put pressure on police, maybe change on the police, maybe change their i certainly their ways? i certainly hope so . that . i think any government that comes any minister that comes in in any minister that comes in in any minister that comes what they of comes in, no matter what they of this, as i said, no matter what they think this agenda. yeah they think of this agenda. yeah given enormous problems this given the enormous problems this country that country faces and that the police be to police faces, should be able to look at and think, actually look at this and think, actually would this money be better spent elsewhere? part elsewhere? but do you think part of a concern that? they of it is a concern that? they don't appear be don't want to appear to be homophobic maybe they homophobic and maybe they have failed when comes failed in the past when it comes to certain minority issues, definitely the so definitely been the case. so maybe of maybe there's a kind of overcorrection. there's a kind of. certainly of. yeah, that's certainly possible rainbow possible. i'm not sure rainbow 40 actually solve the 40 bucks will actually solve the issue know well it issue though. i know well it one day and come back on and day and you'll come back on and we'll find one of these bugs. yes. and because yes. and we will it because i have idea what they look have no idea what they look like. know. well like. i mean, you know. well alec, very much . and

alec, thank you very much. and after the break, i'm free speech nation. i'm going to be asking where the social media trolls are putting families of are putting asian families of the countryside . so in a few the countryside. so in a few minutes .

i welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle bbc presenter nigel anthony has said that there is an illusion and that there is an illusion and that rural areas are not welcoming to ethnic minorities. often i told the country walking magazine there is this barrier a perception often perpetuated by social media trolls that the countryside is inherently white and middle class. so joining me now to discuss this is comedian and broadcaster tommy sandow. tommy, welcome the show . we have tommy, welcome the show. we have got to go somewhere. tommy he's

coming in just one moment, but i'm going to come to panel first about this. now, look, i've had this again and again for many years. idea, years. this idea, the countryside being, an essentially domain and essentially white domain and that people feel that people of colour they can't go into colour feel they can't go into the countryside. do you think that's the countryside that's true? is the countryside racist? are white racist? well sheep are white predominantly. lot of predominantly. there is a lot of them. and we do know that can be very aggressively to somebody whose melanin count is quite high so pretty. well would you say that's true. you go in the country. god with a black and white mixed race cows because they will even these things. you know i kind of i kind of feel like the pair of you aren't taking this too seriously. maybe have we got tommy here? because i'd be great to to him. i'd be great to talk to him. tommy sun areas , welcome to the tommy sun areas, welcome to the show. tommy hey, there you are . show. tommy hey, there you are. you offended by the countryside? is it is it a racist domain ? is it is it a racist domain? hugely. i'm now see of what your lovely communities have just said. i'm in. i now feel the that one of us has got to take

this a little bit more seriously . yeah. so i and i think, i think it's particularly surjewala. i agree with this. it's not. no the countryside is not not welcoming to brown people. it's a cultural thing. right. you got to stand punjabi. my family got on a boat for several to come up to this country back the fifties whenever it was full for the one sole purpose to improve their lives, they left a load of countryside and fields they don't want to come here and start walking around the fields and countryside. so it's a bit like it. it's a bit of a busman's holiday if they come over and start walking around the fields, they're like, well, why did you leave india then? i think, what's on here is typically asian families or minority are in, you it's drilled into you, you know, work hard be something you know we're here to ourselves. this is a great country to a country of so things like rambling, walking and in general, actually kind of

leisurely activities . they leisurely activities. they weren't encouraged a generation ago. but things are my massively changed. my mum and dad never even did holidays, but now are changing. my generation, my kids we live near epping forest where am right now in east london and it's and we go out to the forest as often as but but you're right it's still not the dumb thing for people from a brown background . well this is background. well this is interesting because you know , interesting because you know, whenever i've been in the countryside, i mean, maybe i've missed i've always missed this, but i've always seen people from all sorts of backgrounds the the backgrounds in the in the countryside. this is not just the forest that i hang out in. you go to forest otherwise or maybe your forest is located somewhere on the borders with lots of foreigners coming through. i don't know what what this is, is it's honestly , i this is, is it's honestly, i think it's just a work ethic. it's a cultural thing. and it's a it's a bit a nonsense point. and the last thing i'd want is for british people , including for british people, including myself, to feel like, oh no, the

countryside racist. and countryside is racist. and actually that's not what nana was saying there's was saying. he's saying there's an illusion. and what he also refers media trolls that are refers is media trolls that are somehow creating this . i've somehow creating this. i've never seen a tweet an instagram post, a facebook post says , why post, a facebook post says, why you brownies when ? we see you in you brownies when? we see you in the fields. we're to get you like even though social media trolls putting me off going to the countryside, i it's important that you made the point that now wasn't saying that the countryside is racist or that is a perception. or that that is a perception. but actually i have seen people post say they the post and say that they the countryside exclusionary to countryside is exclusionary to those from a middle those who want from a middle class i've class white background. i've even article . i can't even seen an article. i can't remember publication. i wish even seen an article. i can't r

countryside, i love it when i walk into a country pub , i will walk into a country pub, i will get people looking around. you definitely get a tonne of heads a little air of silence. a little little air of silence. you know that you walked but you know that you walked in, but that be because the that could well be because the londoners in, not londoners walked in, not naturally, brown naturally, because the brown person well maybe person i that as well maybe because they . but i think that because they. but i think that they with those of local pubs it's often because you're not known it's often because they all know each other. they drink with each all time. and with each other all time. and i suppose you could interpret that as, hostile in some way as, as being hostile in some way maybe. yeah but, but it's really not. and that's again, what nigel saying was actually nigel was saying was actually when locals, when you get talking to locals, you how funny are and you realise how funny are and how that i did someone in how wild that i did someone in bournemouth once up to me and just said she's an old white lady and she just was staring at me and i said you're right, you lost. and she said where are you from right that. and i said i'll panjab be roots but from east london and all that like a normal day. went , lovely, normal day. she went, lovely, lovely . she is white, lovely brown. she is white, which is my bias. so sometimes,

you know, that kind of being a little bit unfamiliar, you it's kind of down to the individual as well as how we want to carry that. as well as how we want to carry that . and you also said i mean, that. and you also said i mean, andrew, when was the last time you went a sikh temple? a good one. i must say. it's been a while as i never. but but you are welcome. see, everybody i'm sikh. my background. see anybody ? any background is welcome to walk into sikh temple and there is food there and you can eat as long as you cover your head. take your shoes off, you respect it and the same way you wouldn't necessarily walk in necessarily just walk on in there you there and feel comfortable. you might fall, you get because he's just you you just culturally you know you will out culturally the will stand out culturally at the moment a brown person, moment you know a brown person, a walking through a black family walking through the forest does that tell you? well, even i live near epping forest group of forest when i see a group of like and asian all on like black and asian all on their bicycles. i sort of look at them like, hey, that's that's at them like, hey, that's that's a new thing. my dad and his mates would not have gone cycling forest cycling through the forest because work. a because they had to work. but a new will. do you ever

new generation will. do you ever think, tommy? i mean, sometimes feel a little bit sad the way that really emphasise race that we really emphasise race now a way that we didn't? now in a way that we didn't? when growing, we didn't when i was growing, we didn't really, we just didn't really, you know, we just didn't care nice to each care we were just nice to each other one treated each other and no one treated each other and no one treated each other because their other differently because their race. of race. but now there's a kind of hyper identity that has come in thatis hyper identity that has come in that is make us notice our that is may make us notice our differences and more, which differences more and more, which perhaps isn't as progressive as thinks i and even like thinks it is. i and even like what you were discussing earlier on when i was watching the show about the roots behind you can say in kind of cancel culture and language oh comedy that's what we looking the what we looking at the inbetweeners . yes we know that inbetweeners. yes we know that deep down, if you go down to the kind the acorn behind some of the jokes that are made, there might be serious point. if might be a serious point. but if you did that with everything as we are now doing, then there's no fun for you know, and there is some innocent fun. what i would say is racists are just in the countryside and they aren't just in england, they're in india. if you went you walked into a pub equivalent in somewhere in india, you'd get

lucky. you'd be made to feel a little bit unwelcome. maybe you'd be a bit alien to them so. but whether someone is actually feeling racial or whether someone's like, hey , he doesn't someone's like, hey, he doesn't look like he's from around there, or he looks bit different or looks a bit different. or she looks a bit different. that's curiosity that's different. and curiosity we can't now enquire about people. we can't ask questions about culture and heritage to learn because we're in danger learn because if we're in danger of people excited of offending people excited think that kind of think that people are kind of raised sensitivity around the issue and i just i don't like it issue and ijust i don't like it because stories this because i love britain and loved my time in bournemouth university where i lived for years and i also liked actually the fact that was one of only a few brown people down there. the novelty factor i think when i come from east london where there's lot of brown people so i wanted to study place that wasn't study in a place that wasn't like you know the way i wear was growing up but again i can they can come down to an individual i think you know i would i would ask so brown and black people or people people who people of colour or people who feel be not in

feel that they may be not in certain areas to actually just go embrace it. and i'm go and embrace it. and i'm almost almost that almost almost drop that that doesn't exist . and we know doesn't exist. and we know people rural countryside people from rural countryside areas are the most we know they're the most , you know, they're the most, you know, sometimes most warmest ever. and they've definitely got more time to chat, much time to share stories. and there's more similar narratives probably with people from ethnic backgrounds to those from the with the farming, with rural life. that's a lot more relatable to me than city life . well, that's a nice city life. well, that's a nice note to end on. don't fear the countryside. andrew, countryside. thomas, andrew, thanks much joining me. thanks very much for joining me. you after the break of free speech. aussies are fighting each other with tree branches dancing hats duel with prince for harry video viewings and an up and coming young comedian. we all know and love himself. chastised by tik, it's almost time for social. so in a couple of minutes .

welcome back to free speech with me andrew doyle . it's time for me andrew doyle. it's time for that part of the show where we dedicate to the stories which have been catching people's eyes on social media and as you may have noticed this prince harry has making quite few has been making quite few headlines. one video, which became extremely popular is from someone we all know and love . someone we all know and love. let's take a look. call two a—levels and one of them's any and all. he's got the intellectual ability , a toenail. intellectual ability, a toenail. and so , you know, it's about and so, you know, it's about toenails. but at least i've got the capacity for growth. and harry is now coming across as a right whinge bag . he's right whinge bag. he's complaining that he's probably i'm up. of course , probably i'm up. of course, probably you're up. you're the little brother. that's your job to take a beating . and now you're a beating. and now you're moaning because he ripped your necklace or you're wearing a necklace or you're wearing a necklace . yeah. harry windsor. necklace. yeah. harry windsor. no styles . so francis, this is

no styles. so francis, this is bad. yes you experienced . yes. bad. yes you experienced. yes. talk yes. are you kidding? no i am. no kidding. it got banned on tiktok for hateful ideology . oh tiktok for hateful ideology. oh is there something we're missing that was that the video? is this something? oh, no, no, no no, it's not the whole video. you'll produce a butchered will produce a butchered it. i will be making a complaint, but. no, no, but there is literally nothing offensive nothing there. that is offensive in any shape or form it's just and you can follow ideology . and you can follow ideology. yeah or hateful harry yeah exactly. or hateful harry ology . yes but what's wrong ? i ology. yes but what's wrong? i mean, surely , you know, mocking mean, surely, you know, mocking a prince is a definition of punching up, but the thing is, if you think about it, he's in a minority, isn't he ? because how minority, isn't he? because how many princes are there ? this many princes are there? this country? okay. yeah, but i think . game. yes. so, . he's fair game. yes. so, honestly , bertie, you're allowed honestly, bertie, you're allowed to mock celebrities. yeah. yeah, i for long the day when i mean, i for long the day when i mean, i for long the day when i become a celebrity and you can mock. you should mock. exactly. yeah, you should be it's a flattering be. i know it's a flattering thing. it's immense. and he's the one who told us all about

the one who told us all about the the dog the fight and breaking the dog bowl. and how that bowl. and he put how that i actually pretty actually thought was a pretty funny have to say funny routine. i have to say well totally funny well done. it was totally funny routine. don't think it should routine. i don't think it should be. i mean, these are things be. i mean, these are the things that i buy not that that i probably buy are not that one. yes. okay. so one. no, not one. yes. okay. so we're move on to the we're going to move on to the next is from down next one. this is a from down unden next one. this is a from down under. this is from australia. obviously two wars and he's hoping a potter hoping to star in a harry potter remake. let's have look. okay. remake. let's have a look. okay. so two aussies, if you were listening on radio, there's two people attempting to hit each other with sticks and failing. it's very unclear as to whether this is an actual fight or a kind of staged , dramatic kind of staged, dramatic theatrical event . i can't be theatrical event. i can't be sure. francis what is going on there? i actually know what gone viral. i no idea. i mean , is there? i actually know what gone gripping because are thinking, i wonder what's going to happen here. do you think it's a real fight ? yeah. well, this one with fight? yeah. well, this one with a smaller stake and he's harvey's jacket on the one's got bigger stick and the one with the bigger stake seems to keep missing one with a small

missing the one with a small hole his you keep him hole in his jacket. you keep him rubbish all you and you've got a bigger steak. i it's a for goodness sake. i mean, it's just not that it's not that interesting, you know, why did that go viral anyway? we're going to move on. they're going to another video and to move on another video and this well, it's just this one is well, it's just prince harry that's been taking over internet. evan harry over the internet. evan harry can't compete for views with a dancing cat. here we go. so look to the courts because the girl will be gone . go ahead. they go will be gone. go ahead. they go . go go . so, wichita, can we go . go go. so, wichita, can we go with a. oh, i can't really use up it . the with a. oh, i can't really use up it. the kids consented . i up it. the kids consented. i mean it's . well, what's going on mean it's. well, what's going on there francis like well it's somebody taking their kids and then putting them in a deeply uncomfortable situation and all is it gone. the views likes on the internet. tik tok is the demolition of society. it is a civilised nation and one day

people will look back and think that. we think that that's high art. and that's what art. yeah. and that's not what we produced . a bit depressed if we produced. a bit depressed if you're saying not, there's probably some university in 100 years time now. and i do think that we're starting that. you're right. i just think the pull right. but i just think the pull cut could see in eyes cut you could see in his eyes just thought don't like just thought like, i don't like men's, i hate humans you know, the taliban are probably somewhere pointing it. they're showing their recruits going, this is way the west must be destroyed. exactly where i see because even . don i've got to because even. don i've got to move on cause i'm finally out to do stuff so. this is the part of the show just to end and wrap everything up. this is where we're going to through your we're going to talk through your unfiltered dilemmas. i unfiltered dilemmas. and i do appreciate your appreciate you emailing your problems your hearts problems in opening your hearts to us. let's go a first. i to us. let's go for a first. i never this is from emma. never know. this is from emma. emma i've been my emma has said i've been with my boyfriend years emma has said i've been with my boyfi'm d years emma has said i've been with my boyfi'm really years emma has said i've been with my boyfi'm really ready years emma has said i've been with my boyfi'm really ready to years emma has said i've been with my boyfi'm really ready to take rs emma has said i've been with my boyfi'm really ready to take the and i'm really ready to take the next step. the problem i don't think he is. i keep dropping hints, but he doesn't seem to be catching. should do,

catching. what else should i do, if mean by? the if that's what you mean by? the next do you divorce next step. do you mean divorce or introduce a third party? what do you think the next step is? well, this is a problem , as we well, this is a problem, as we all when the brightest, all know, when the brightest, when not very good visual social clues . are you going to need to clues. are you going to need to spell it out and i think she means marriage right. yeah, she obviously means marriage, but is such a thing as the seven year itch and you've been together for seven years. he's not taking the i think he's cheating on you he's not love. oh oh. he's just not that love. oh oh. i should just say, emma, i'm not so sure that he's cheating on you. and i wouldn't like to make that claim about total strangers . you've just ruined .you've just ruined relationship. i believe, though. i beg . you. i'm not. okay. check i beg. you. i'm not. okay. check his phone . oh. oh moving swiftly his phone. oh. oh moving swiftly on. actually, apparently, we don't have time . so we're going don't have time. so we're going to actually close the show that. no, clearly destroying a relationship in this story. a mother chased hurts. i'm sorry.

oh you should be relationship counsellor. who you've got me on in anyway , thank you very much in anyway, thank you very much for joining us for free speech nafion for joining us for free speech nation with me andrew doyle. this was the week when it was that the uk police had a rainbow addiction, a school skegness banned soccer them and prince harry annoyed about everyone. thank you of course. to my lovely panel, sajida koshy , lovely panel, sajida koshy, frances foster and to all of my brilliant guests and by the way if you want to join us live in the studio , you can definitely the studio, you can definitely do that. you can come along. just please go to w w w dot sro audiences .com and you can apply come along. we've got food, we've got wine, we've bonbons. we've lot come we've got a lot to do. come along, tuned for along, join us. stay tuned for the dolan tonight the brilliant mark dolan tonight . and don't forget . that's next. and don't forget to is every night to headliners is on every night at 11:00. thanks for watching free speech nation farewell . as free speech nation farewell. as whether the uk we'll start the morning on a showery note in the

west whilst clearer in the east. let's take a look at the details . blustery showers feed in across the northern and western isles and western parts of the scottish mainland on monday. further east it be clearer for chilly with icy patches. a makes it clear spells and scattered showers will affect northern ireland and there will be a particularly strong and gusty westerly wind blowing to the east of the pennines. there will be a lot of fine weather, plenty of showers likely to affect of showers are likely to affect cumbria lancashire . the cumbria and lancashire. the nonh cumbria and lancashire. the north and west of wales will also have a showery with brisk and gusty winds . areas further and gusty winds. areas further south and will escape with something a little drier and clearer . something a little drier and clearer. apart from the something a little drier and clearer . apart from the offshore clearer. apart from the offshore making into the west coast of midlands, can expect a dry start on and across the east, especially some lengthy cloud breaks are likely across east anglia . the new working week anglia. the new working week should start dry in place. reasonably clear , although reasonably clear, although temperatures will be on the chilly side . a westerly breeze

chilly side. a westerly breeze will affect the southern counties of england , although counties of england, although apart from that the only part of the morning promises to be mostly dry with just patchy cloud . a few showers will effect cloud. a few showers will effect england and wales through the morning, but they'll be mostly widespread in the northwest, accompanied by strong winds. and thatis accompanied by strong winds. and that is how the weather is shaping up tomorrow shaping up during tomorrow morning .

welcome to gloria meets he was chief whip under boris johnson's premiership. it's mark spencer. you write boris johnson off at your peril . he's he is a hugely, your peril. he's he is a hugely, hugely talented politician. the man who wants you to put him in charge of our justice system , charge of our justice system, labour's steve read . i was labour's steve read. i was frozen stiff because there was a knife on my throat. and afterwards, you know, i looked, i got home, i looked in the mirror. there was a nick with a knife of beans and she was elected in 2019. conservative mp virginia crosbie i have surgeries. i do face to face surgeries. i do face to face surgeries where i wear a stab jacket . obviously following the jacket. obviously following the murder of david amess . all that murder of david amess. all that after your news . good evening.

after your news. good evening. i'm aaron