thoughts on that and social care. we go round these houses, don't we.7 all care. we go round these houses, don't we? all the time. so i'm pondenng don't we? all the time. so i'm pondering tonight. do you think any politicians honestly are taking social care seriously ? do taking social care seriously? do you ever feel it will be in a situation where we'll have an effective , affordable solution effective, affordable solution that works well in this country or not? i'm not sure if i'm totally honest and accommodate , totally honest and accommodate, and that's got many people talking for years, quite frankly . there's no question of what should the minimum criminal age be in this country. england,

wales and northern ireland . it's wales and northern ireland. it's ten. in scotland, it's 12. i've got to say ten is really very young compared to, well, most of the country is quite frankly, is suitable or do we need to be raising it. i what your thoughts on that. and last but not least, i'm wondering tonight , how much i'm wondering tonight, how much do you think you need to and in order to be comfortable . give me order to be comfortable. give me your thoughts on all of that . your thoughts on all of that. but before we get into it, let's bnng but before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's . tonight's latest headlines. michelle, thank you and good evening to you. our top story today , the rmt general secretary today, the rmt general secretary mick lynch has called the government's new anti strike bill an attack on human rights. the legislation would require levels of service from ambulance staff, firefighters and railway workers during industrial action. it comes amid a wave of strikes across the public sector in disputes over pay. the business secretary, grant shapps , says the legislation is

necessary to protect the public , to deny and to vote against legislation that brings in minimum safety levels, to help our constituents. it's to attack their security and their welfare and. but the labour leader, labour deputy leader rather. angela rayner , says the system angela rayner, says the system was failing before the strikes began.is was failing before the strikes began. is my constituents been a who waited over an hour for an ambulance who died waiting for an ambulance and that was not on the strike so that is because of the strike so that is because of the disastrous chaos we have in the disastrous chaos we have in the system under this conservative government . well conservative government. well ambulance workers in england and in wales are set to go on strike tomorrow after talks with the government over pay failed to reach a resolution. it's the first industrial action within the health sector this year with nurses in england also set to walk out later this month. the health secretary has described the action as unhelpful, but

insisted he is working with trade unions. insisted he is working with trade unions . steve barclay also trade unions. steve barclay also saying the government is not looking to back date a pay increase for nhs workers. we don't think it would be appropriate to go back to last april to retrospectively go back all those months in terms of what has already happened this yeah what has already happened this year. we had a process that looked at the issues in the round, but at the same time we want to listen to the trade unions want to engage with them. constructive they want to get the right evidence in to the pay review for the next year. and of course, they made further representations in terms of this year notwithstanding that were more than three quarters of the way through year. and it's way through the year. and it's right that we listen to those concerns. more strike action now this time in scotland, where teachers across the country are on the first day of their two day strike after failing to reach an agreement over pay with the scottish government. the current offer would see most staff in classrooms receive a 5% pay staff in classrooms receive a 5% pay rise. but unions want 10.

primary school teachers walked out today. staff at secondary schools will walk out tomorrow and labour has promised that if it gets into power, a package of welfare reforms under their leadership will help people return to work. under the plan, claimants will try paid work and if it doesn't work out within a yean if it doesn't work out within a year, they can go back on benefits . the labour party also benefits. the labour party also plans a further reform of employment support for the over fifties . shadow work and fifties. shadow work and pensions secretary jonathan ashworth claims the reforms will help disabled people or those on sickness benefits find work . sickness benefits find work. what i'm proposing today are new measures, new reforms, new thinking to support people who say they want to return to work. now in this country we've got a million people all looking for work. you want a job and we've got hundreds of thousands of people who currently designated as long term sick but say they would want to work if given the right support. would want to work if given the right support . and it's flying right support. and it's flying off the shelves. prince harry's memoir, spare, has become the

fastest selling non—fiction book even fastest selling non—fiction book ever, with 400,000 copies sold onune ever, with 400,000 copies sold online and day. his version of some events, though, has been thrown into doubt. in the book, the duke of sussex writes, for example, he heard about the death of his great grandmother, the queen mother, in a phone call whilst at eton. she call whilst he was at eton. she died in march 2002, but gb news case has uncovered photographic evidence , which shows the prince evidence, which shows the prince returning from a skiing trip to switzerland his father and switzerland with his father and his at the same time . his brother at the same time. representatives duke have representatives of the duke have been contacted for comment , but been contacted for comment, but so far have declined to do so. amazon says it plans to shut down three uk warehouse houses, which could impact more than a thousand jobs. the company launched consultations at sites in hemel hempstead, doncaster and gourock. it's understood workers will be offered roles at other amazon locations. the companies also revealed plans for two major centres in the west midlands and the north—east, which will create two and a half thousand jobs

over the next three years. at last, each of the united states where a teacher has been hailed a hero after getting pupils out of a classroom after she was shot by a six year old boy. 25 year old abigail verna was shot by one of her pupils at richard peck elementary school in virginia last week. police say the boy fired one shot which hit her hand and her chest, but she still managed to get the kids out of the classroom. she is in hospital now in a stable condition . you up to date on tv condition. you up to date on tv , online, on derby, plus radio with tv news, the people's channel with tv news, the people's channel, where now it's time for dewbs& co . dewbs& co. thanks for that, polly. that last story is six year olds with a gun . i mean, year olds with a gun. i mean, what is this world coming to ? it what is this world coming to? it leads me, by the way , it kind of leads me, by the way, it kind of makes it so. one of the things i

want to discuss with you tonight, which is the age of criminal responsibility. what do you think it should be in this country? i'm fascinated to hear your england, your thoughts on that. england, wales northern ireland wales and northern ireland currently scotland is currently is ten. scotland is 12. i want your thoughts on that and much more tonight. if you just join me, i am michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co and i am with you till 7:00 tonight. and alongside me i've got the political consultant emma burnell political burnell and the political commentator, benedick spence. good you . good evening, both of you. welcome. you know, the drill as well, don't you? it's not just about those three. it's about you at home as what is on you at home as well. what is on your mind? tonight's gb views at gb news dot uk is my email or you can tweet me at gb news. i want to talk about anti strike laws they're called . laws as they're being called. you all, not social you support them all, not social care. do you actually think that anyone is really serious about sorting that out in this country? because it feels like, you know, every 5 minutes there's white paper there's a different white paper , a different commission, a different consultation and a different consultation and a different strategy. and different pie. i'd strategy. and we always up in this

we always end up in this position, don't we, where it isn't working. you isn't really working. do you think anyone will ever to think anyone will ever get to gnps think anyone will ever get to grips with and sort out what grips with it and sort out what would like to you? and would that look like to you? and also, what do you think you would need to earn to live? i quote a comfortable life in your area. people have been asked that very question and i find the answer quite fascinating. the answer is quite fascinating. so tonight, tell me to live comfortably and you can tell me what you think is comfortable if you want. how much do you reckon you want. how much do you reckon you need and what is your area? because there'll be because i reckon there'll be a bit a discrepancy, shall we bit of a discrepancy, shall we say, particularly around places like north, like london, perhaps the north, when it comes to the criminal age of responsibility, lots of you are getting in touch. you're giving me a sentiment that i massively echo as well. two words, jim bolger i would say that to anyone that thinks that the age needs to be risen, but that's a debate i want to have tonight. lots of you as well, getting in touch about the strike bill going through parliament. i think that is splitting opinion from what i can see. so far. as per usual,

my outfit , you always make me my outfit, you always make me laugh. one of these days i'm going to create some kind of onune going to create some kind of online fashion blog. you guys can be the bloggers because it doesn't matter what i wear. you guys out with your comments guys come out with your comments . thinks look like . phil thinks i look like professor from cluedo. i professor plum from cluedo. i thought was who he was thought that was who he was watching tonight's peter says i look i appreciate that. look queenly. i appreciate that. and matthew says that you look like violet from charlotte and the chocolate factory in that one is not the one to spoil it a thing. and i was huge and then exploded as i became a because she became a plum. oh, wow. let's roll her out yeah that's a rather well . and then squeeze rather well. and then squeeze the juice out of you don't squeeze you. so anyway, i thought says to tom let's move on. grant shapps has introduced a bill to parliament this afternoon . it's been called an afternoon. it's been called an anti strike bill by many. it's basically about minimum levels of safety during a strike and what that would look like. let's have a listen to him earlier on,

shall we? whilst we absolutely believe in the right to strike, we're duty bound . we're duty we're duty bound. we're duty bound to protect the lives and the livelihoods of the british people . yes, the british people people. yes, the british people need to know that when they have a heart attack, a stroke or a serious injury, that an ambulance will turn on and that if the needs and if they need hospital care, they have access to it . so just hospital care, they have access to it. so just be clear , by the to it. so just be clear, by the way, some of this kind of minimum service level was in the tory manifesto in 2019, i think it was transport. yes, it appued it was transport. yes, it applied to then and now they wanting basically to broaden it out different sectors. emma out into different sectors. emma burnell in favour of burnell are you in favour of this not? minimum service this or not? minimum service levels absolutely. key first, rishi sunak let's say you deliver minimum service levels on the day they're on to strike. let's see as not having a tower waiting for an ambulance when they're on to strike. let's see us not having the north, basically getting a decent

basically never getting a decent train service when there isn't a strike. if you want to sort this out , a, can't strike. if you want to sort this out, a, can't threaten to out, a, you can't threaten to sack nurses for going on strike because frankly, we desperately need all the nurses we have. and the same is true of paramedics and actually , despite what you and actually, despite what you may hear from other people, it's also true that people work also true that people who work on not just the on the railways, not just the people them. so actually people who own them. so actually we to have minimum we do need to have minimum service levels, but we need to get them out first. get them sorted out first. and one of that is to have one way of doing that is to have a that feels happy and a workforce that feels happy and confident in their work, to come back at you. grant shapps to quote word for word, he says quote him word for word, he says the is talking the following nobody is talking about sacking nurses. nothing the following nobody is talking about announcing ses. nothing the following nobody is talking about announcing today othing the following nobody is talking about announcing today in1ing the following nobody is talking about announcing today in this we're announcing today in this bill from the dispatch box is about getting rid of nurses any more than any employment contract followed. so contract has to be followed. so it is about sacking people if they follow their changed they don't follow their changed employment is employment contracts. so it is about that. it's just a nonsense. he's talking nonsense. so think i think i think so i think so. i think i think it's a no from you. you don't support that. but i'm not sure. i don't think you made that clear yeah, but fence is

clear enough. yeah, but fence is a comfortable place . i'm not. a comfortable place. i'm not. i tell you what, i think. i don't think key services is a key service. workers should have a strike. but i also don't think, as i as a government should put them in a position where they feel they need to strike. i am torn as to whether not we torn as to whether or not we should put it into law, whether or not they ever do strike. because i think that erodes an element key element of trust between key workers and government and public, saying, you public, if you will, saying, you know, strike know, you're not going to strike and know, there are going to and you know, there are going to be bad consequences for you rather than saying, we understand you take up understand that when you take up this you this job, you sort of you volunteer yourself say, i'm volunteer yourself to say, i'm not do that. and that's not going to do that. and that's a large part of the issue that i have with many areas of this country the erosion trust. country is the erosion of trust. and actually when you and i think actually when you get government quite get a government that says quite rightly, key rightly, actually, the key services should mean that they should key, but then says and should be key, but then says and we're to back this up we're going to back this up by strong a little bit, strong arming you a little bit, then don't think that then i don't think that that sits too with a lot of sits too well with a lot of people, frankly. and you people, frankly. and so, you know, slightly know, pardon me, the slightly more me sort of says,

more liberal in me sort of says, does this need to be a law? could this not be solved? actually by following actually by you following through on other manifesto pledges to make that key pledges to make sure that key services work properly? services actually work properly? i there's i do think that there's an element passing buck element of passing the buck slightly now. i'd love to slightly in its now. i'd love to sit here in a bash the unions for over politicising this for being over politicising this on the but actually when on the other but actually when you're broadly so you're looking broadly at so many areas of country not many areas of the country not working where does working and you think where does the it stops with the buck stop? oh, it stops with the buck stop? oh, it stops with the minister, that's where it stops it doesn't with stops with it doesn't stop with the bosses, the police and the union bosses, the police and prison officers. let's not forget, can't strike. forget, they can't strike. they're allowed to that. they're not allowed to do that. do you the unions are do you think the unions are overly political using of overly political using any of this of organised or this is the kind of organised or coordinated strikes, etc? do you think it has become political? no i don't. i mean, it is a political issue in that all things kind of boil down to a political we're talking about people who are employed by the state. so that is even more a political issue because ultimately their boss is steve barclay in the health sector and ultimately rishi sunak. so yes, there is that is a political thing, but we are talking about the right to work and the right

to decent work and the right to decent work pay. and the reason that we have a labour party and it's called labour is because these was set up to fight these this was set up to fight for those rights. so we've this has always been the you know, when we say is this over political the rights of workers has always been a political thing under our political system and under our modern political system , how we do or don't treat system, how we do or don't treat workers and the relationship between capital and labour has always been political. so i don't think it's many more or less political than it has ever been. so do you think, for example, if the unions were negotiating with a labour government , do you think they government, do you think they would be as , you know, what's would be as, you know, what's the word like as rigid in the demand as requirements, requests and all the rest ? would you and all the rest? would you think they'd be more flexible with labour? do you think there's any element of this that is the unions trying to break the tory government ? why would the tory government? why would the tory government? why would the want break the the unions want to break the tory because they tory government? because they don't government don't feel the tory government

is negotiate partner is the best negotiate partner for them. that might be the better question, but i think actually the truth is the unions probably have a bigger hold over laboun probably have a bigger hold over labour, a better ability to have a negotiation and get a negotiated play a position with labour because labour are sympathetic to their cause . i sympathetic to their cause. i also think that it it's worth noting that, you know, if we're talking it being talking about it being politicised the politicised right now, the labour need the labour party doesn't need the unions sort of on their unions to sort of act on their behalf. tories have managed behalf. the tories have managed to staggering lead and to lose a staggering lead and turn staggering turn it into a staggering deficit themselves . deficit all by themselves. before all of this started crumbling, before the strike started happening . so i think started happening. so i think anyidea started happening. so i think any idea that this purely any idea that this is purely about no, think about politics? no, i think actually it's come to actually it is. it's come to a point where, know, we've point where, you know, we've talked about the nhs talked for years about the nhs is its legs, it's is on its last legs, it's crumbling. this on the other. i think finally we've got to the stage where has broken. it is stage where it has broken. it is not is response to not working. is the response to that sensible discussion that the sensible discussion is the to to just the response to that, to just throw more at it? does it throw more money at it? does it need and think part of need reform? and i think part of the with this is the the problem with this is the tory government prepared tory government isn't prepared really that very really to have that very

difficult conversation. they only years left. the only have two years left. the feeling that going to feeling is that they're going to lose years. you might as lose in two years. you might as well be this point and well be bold at this point and say, well let's actually say, right, well let's actually try out because we try and sort this out because we might well do something might as well do something useful rather than sit there wringing their and go, oh, wringing their hands and go, oh, it's politics that it's all playing politics that doesn't do you doesn't serve anyone. and do you think is right that the police for example, mentioned, the for example, as i mentioned, the prison they can't prison officers, they can't strike? think everybody's strike? no, i think everybody's should to should have the right to withdraw frankly withdraw their labour. frankly it's human right. withdraw their labour. frankly it's have human right. withdraw their labour. frankly it's have right human right. withdraw their labour. frankly it's have right t01man right. withdraw their labour. frankly it's have right to say, right. you have the right to say, i would wish to my would wish to withdraw my laboun would wish to withdraw my labour. and there's just a basic human i it's quite human right. i think it's quite poor that don't allow that poor that we don't allow that and ifs poor that we don't allow that and it's quite often and i think it's quite often what do if you look at what do you do if you look at the army and the terrible conditions that a lot of army housing is in low pay in the housing is in the low pay in the army. why well, one army. why is that? well, one part of that. so they're not allowed to go strike. but allowed to go on strike. but then you're them step then you're asking them to step in every service in for every plumbing service that going? well, not that we have going? well, not actually. i think i think if you bnng actually. i think i think if you bring in, for example, to the bring it in, for example, to the army i know you walk army and yes, i know you walk out and talk to me, say, michelle, it's much broader than just army. i think just the army. but i think actually to have an

actually we need to have an approach politics. the approach to politics. what's the answer question? it's answer to every question? it's the well, actually, the army. yeah well, actually, that's they such that's because they do such a good job, actually. when you good job, actually. and when you do running some these do get in running some of these things like we've just seen with border force going on strike and so airports, by way, so the airports, by the way, they a job, the they do a great job, but the good thing they do a good thing that they do do a good thing that they do do a good on things because good job on these things because the they wouldn't the one thing that they wouldn't do job is the one thing do a good job is the one thing they're not equipped to do, which a right which is fight a war right now because equipment in because their equipment is in such bad. nick true. and do you think you're saying everyone's got withdraw got the right to withdraw their laboun got the right to withdraw their labour, what labour, etc. and i guess what you that is everyone can you mean by that is everyone can withdraw their labour while still holding job. still holding onto their job. but that there's but do you think that there's any public good any situation where public good pubuc any situation where public good public safety public health, public safety actually collective actually as a collective trumps the you the individuals to quote you right, withdraw labour? the individuals to quote you rithink withdraw labour? the individuals to quote you rithink it'sithdraw labour? the individuals to quote you rithink it's a|draw labour? the individuals to quote you rithink it's a really, labour? the individuals to quote you rithink it's a really, reallybour? i think it's a really, really complex decision withdraw complex decision to withdraw laboun complex decision to withdraw labour. should be labour. i think it should be balloted. that where balloted. i think that is where you a union you have to have a union structure rather than end eventual decisions withdraw eventual decisions to withdraw laboun eventual decisions to withdraw labour. to labour. it has to be a collective decision comes collective decision that comes down to bargaining position down to a bargaining position between union and the between the union and the employer. there go . employer. well, there you go. give thoughts on that. give me your thoughts on that. some simple question to you is , some simple question to you is, do these so—called

do you support these so—called anti strike laws, these minimum service levels, expanding them beyond the different sectors give me your thoughts, vaiews@gbnews.uk you care? don't forget as well. tell me a criminal age, minimum criminal age, what do you think it should be? and how much you think be? and how much do you think you to have to be you need to have to be comfortable in your area? but coming up next, i want to talk to about social care . all to you about social care. all right. a political party, any politicians really serious about getting to grips with this issue? you tell me .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co. with me , michelle dewbs& co. with me, michelle dewberry, keeping you company right through 7:00 this evening. alongside i'd be the political consult on emma burnell and the political commentator benedict spence. political commentator benedict spence . to politicos, we're spence. to politicos, we're quite politically heavy tonight

. we've been asking you guys where do you stand on the so—called anti strike laws? jim says, why don't we ban picket lines? you posed an interesting question. you say, what is the purpose of them other than in your minds to intimidate people into not crossing them? hmm. interesting. i suspect people will have a view on that . jim, will have a view on that. jim, let's look. what else you guys are saying ?j w you're saying are saying? j w you're saying you don't support any strikes but the right to strike basically should be sacrosanct . basically should be sacrosanct. and once you start putting limits on it, slippery slope towards banning strikes altogether . you say i would say altogether. you say i would say you're kind of split on this one tonight. steve says the government is correct. we've been blackmailed by public sector workers and we need minimum cover essentials minimum cover in essentials services. don't forget, by the way, just sector way, it's not just public sector workers are striking. mark workers that are striking. mark says it should be written in your contract that you can't strike. but a different mark

says, well, what's the point of a contract then? why not say you don't strike and then you union negotiate a deal for you whilst you're working ? mike you're still out working? mike says. you're still out working? mike says . do your guests seriously says. do your guests seriously think that labour is for the people and the unions going on strike? i meant to work for the pubuc strike? i meant to work for the public who pay their wages. judea any public sector workers should not be able to strike if the anti strike bill helps towards this happening eventually. she says she's moderately happy with that. oh oh.and moderately happy with that. oh oh. and then you add something on the end and you say using pubuc on the end and you say using public sector workers are already looked after adequate . already looked after adequate. they are, people will they are, but people will respond to that and have strong opinions as suggested some might disagree with keep your disagree with you. keep your thoughts views. thoughts coming in gb views. actually gbnews.uk email actually gbnews.uk is my email address . you tweet as address. you can tweet me as well if your thing, ask well if that's your thing, ask michelle now let's talk, michelle jobs. now let's talk, shall social care because shall we? social care because that's what all people do, really. don't they talk about that? we have plans, commissions, we papers, reviews, you name it , commissions, we papers, reviews, you name it, proposals. nothing really ever seems to get done,

doesit really ever seems to get done, does it ? i'm going to come does it? i'm going to come straight to you on this one, because we can sit and we can list all the different white wallpaper your entire apartment complex with the white papers. there's not many of them. nothing really ever moves on. do you think? my question is tonight that any politicians really a serious about fixing social care. i mean we can only work out whether or not the labour party is if they get in power and actually act on power and they actually act on that. a little that. i think it's a little unfair to sit and go, well unfair to sit here and go, well of labour party is unfair to sit here and go, well of you labour party is unfair to sit here and go, well of you can labour party is unfair to sit here and go, well of you can onlyour party is unfair to sit here and go, well of you can only workarty is unfair to sit here and go, well of you can only work that s unfair to sit here and go, well of you can only work that out and you can only work that out once into power. no, once they get into power. no, best thing, because i think that if could have fixed best thing, because i think that if previously could have fixed best thing, because i think that if previously when jld have fixed best thing, because i think that if previously when they ave fixed best thing, because i think that if previously when they were xed best thing, because i think that if previously when they were ini it previously when they were in power. talking power. well we weren't talking about back then where about it so much back then where we it wasn't such a pressing issue. now this i mean, issue. and now this i mean, although actually although i would actually say that perhaps the that that is perhaps part of the reason ourselves in reason why we find ourselves in the currently are the issues that we currently are and is politics are far and that is the politics are far too in this country on too long in this country on both sides to reactivate it sides has been to reactivate it has not been about proactivity. and know i could about and you know i could talk about listening all the different papers about papers and discussions about social, the social, i could list all the different issues that governments across the sector have, you taken and

have, you know, taken issues and kicked the road kicked the can down the road from to energy, you name from the nhs to energy, you name it. do in this it. that's what we do in this country badly. we country very badly. so do we actually seriously? actually take it seriously? i would no, because actually would argue no, because actually we talk. as point we like to talk. as you point out, and we last we out, lots and lots. we last we like hear from everybody like to hear from everybody different. we'll take a lot different. then we'll take a lot of we a lot of money of time. we spend a lot of money on the facts. then on finding the facts. and then when the facts, which when we have the facts, which are competing sets are often competing sets of facts, very we do facts, we do very nothing. we do very we have very little because we have competing of special competing lists of special interests who prepared interests who are not prepared to negotiate to bow or bend or negotiate on certain think the certain things. and i think the thing always it always thing that always it always comes back to for me housing comes back to for me is housing and planning building and planning and building actually, major actually, one of the major issues social care is issues with social care is capacity. that's the same capacity. now, that's the same as the housing crisis. if you're not capacity, not building the capacity, you're going to have you're always going to have issues. , this is issues. and you know, this is why it links as much to all people it links to young people as it links to young people. enough people. we don't build enough facilities. we don't build enough we invest enough houses. we don't invest enough houses. we don't invest enoughin enough houses. we don't invest enough in our railway. we don't invest our energy invest enough in our energy infrastructure. if you don't do these you're to these things, you're going to get at point get a bottleneck at some point where quality of social where the quality of the social care poor because the care is poor because the resources you have to work resources that you have to work with is poor. and i think that

thatis with is poor. and i think that that is perhaps the main thing that is perhaps the main thing that to both labour that i would say to both labour and actually you and the tories actually are you serious about things like planning ? you actually planning laws? are you actually serious investing in serious about investing in infrastructure streamlining infrastructure and streamlining that rather than just abstractly saying social care? nhs? saying social care? the nhs? i would that planning you saw, would say that planning you saw, that you saw awful lot of that you saw an awful lot of issues that were affecting mother many areas of mother many other areas of society. be society. that would be the question i would question that i would want answered. i can't answered. your thoughts. i can't disagree any of i disagree with any of that. i think that's absolutely right . think that's absolutely right. we do have problem with we do have a real problem with short in this country, short termism in this country, and we tend to think to the next election and five year terms are not long enough to do really big change and set in motion the kind of really big change that we would need to see in things like social care . we have now like social care. we have now for quite a long time and i think it was a failing towards the end of the last labour government. they didn't take this seriously enough that we had demographic and had an ageing demographic and that was going to hit. that that that was going to hit. that has much hit and has now very much hit and nothing has happened . i remember nothing has happened. i remember discussions in 2014, i think

andy burnham was shadow health secretary then him calling for a cross—party consensus on what needed to happen because there would have needed to be areas where it would cost money, you know , we would we would be know, we would we would be looking at people having to invest some of the income they would take out of their home to do the finish do that, the do not finish commission said that ten years ago that was squashed by david cameron to be cross—party on this. then there was the theresa may, 2017 labour completely attacked her on that on the dementia tax same thing. so both parties have played the politics of this and not played the long term game and i absolutely agree on planning in particular. i mean, massively need to build more housing and the infrastructure that goes along with that and some of that infrastructure has to be a social care. and again, that's a cross—party issue because when social care. and again, that's a cros getarty issue because when social care. and again, that's a cros get down sue because when social care. and again, that's a cros get down to; because when social care. and again, that's a cros get down to; becalevels,en you get down to local levels, it's local councils, it's council local councils, local councillors both local councillors of both parties that like to object to planning decisions. well three, when to local when it comes to local

government, dems in they government, the lib dems in they but sarah locally a few days ago i might feels a few days it might be a week or so now. keir starmer when he was doing his speech he referencing speech he was referencing what he was calling plaster he was calling sticking plaster politics. so he was saying about the short termism, you how the short termism, you know, how wrong it was, whatever. but the fact matter is, in this fact of the matter is, in this country care country doesn't really care who you it all about, how do you are. it is all about, how do i my job, how do i get i keep my job, how do i get myself my party re—elected in the next five year cycle . and the next five year cycle. and i've pondered and been , i've often pondered and been, you know, down whenever you know, shouted down whenever i've would ever i've wanted it. would it ever work ? taking out the biggest work? taking out the biggest fatigue issues in this country ? fatigue issues in this country? so whether it's your nhs strategy , social care strategy, strategy, social care strategy, whatever , anything that's like whatever, anything that's like really long where you need like a long term strategy, your energy security policy, whatever, taking that out, creating a cross—party work and group, and then you do all your strategic it's too often consensus and i'm almost laughing, so i don't think they've reach consensus. but whatever, then all your strategic over there whatever, then all your strat it's: over there whatever, then all your stratit's outside over there whatever, then all your stratit's outside their there whatever, then all your stratit's outside the realm; whatever, then all your stratit's outside the realm and and it's outside the realm and remit of your five year

political cycle. you cannot be cycles to all the day to day cycles to do all the day to day study. with study. they did that with dilnot, and that's dilnot, though, and that's exactly did. they took exactly what they did. they took it of the politics. they, it out of the politics. they, they set commission they said, set up a commission to this year plan that to do this ten year plan that was a mum. and both of was still not a mum. and both of these have been in a drawer for as they if they'd ever been acted on, we wouldn't be in the situation a slippery slope also towards things ultimately becoming undemocratic if you taking the hands of taking it out of the hands of political parties and it political parties and giving it over who essentially over people who are essentially glorified civil servants. well actually who oversees then actually who oversees then actually who oversees then actually who decides on who those people are and then when they fail to come a consensus those people are and then when they fgets come a consensus those people are and then when they fgets cor blame, consensus those people are and then when they fgets cor blame, who ansus those people are and then when they fgets cor blame, who who; , who gets the blame, who who actually do they answer, put it out referendum, more out as a referendum, more referendum. this referendum. that's what this switzerland masses. i switzerland for the masses. i i'm not opposed to the referendum but i'm just really think outside of the box because what right now in this what i think right now in this country politics doesn't work. it hasn't worked for a long time. you know, we can't even get short of the two main parties. you know, is going to be labour, it's going to be tory andifs be labour, it's going to be tory and it's just so much of the

same old, old. and i would same old, same old. and i would like see real radical reform like to see real radical reform in least to in this country, not least to actually people turning actually get people turning out and because so many and voting because so many people, included, the people, myself included, by the way haven't taken way, haven't always taken the opportunity to go out and vote because they so disengaged because they so disengaged because state that it's because of the state that it's all in. anyone home all in. does anyone at home think i'm talking sense or not? if you do get in make me if you do get in touch, make me feel putting. far, no feel good putting. so far, no one to agree with my ideas one seems to agree with my ideas about taking things out and putting them into some kind of. i think your point is very good. one would oversee that? one who would oversee that? there's be democratic there's got to be democratic oversight. otherwise, you've oversight. otherwise, if you've just got all the king why not? let's find a use for king charles and let's give him some of the oversight. i've got to agree, he doesn't currently have for . well, let's have look at for. well, let's have a look at what some of you guys have to say, shall we? says, why do say, shall we? mark says, why do people blame the people always blame the government? the pm, rather government? all the pm, rather than the shambles of civil servants and other highly paid managers aren't their managers who aren't doing their jobs , that they're paid for jobs, that they're paid for everything related to people and choices, not happy, choices, if you're not happy, says mark may, there's a lot of

marks emailing today. says mark may, there's a lot of marks emailing today . what marks emailing me in today. what are you to this, are you saying to this, christine says in capitals i always you mean business. always know you mean business. put it in capitals. christine's as you fix the nhs as you cannot fix the nhs without fixing social care. she's right. i agree. right but who do you think, christine is? the person for the job. who do you actually think? consult to our . i you actually think? consult to our. i don't know if anyone can, quite frankly, ali says, let's face it , old quite frankly, ali says, let's face it, old baby boomers are now old and need care, which we cannot afford and not take care due to not enough young people. don't forget, by way , social don't forget, by the way, social care just for the elderly. care isn't just for the elderly. a lot of working age people need social as well. keep all social care as well. keep all your thoughts coming. oh, yes, i found what angie , you just. my found what angie, you just. my name caught eye. angie name just caught my eye. angie says with you, says i totally agree with you, michelle, on your cross—party view on bextra . tragic issues. view on bextra. tragic issues. good but then to answer ben benedict's point, who would ever see that? i don't know. you tell me. vaiews@gbnews.uk i've got to take a quick break. when i come back, i want to get into the minimum age for criminal

responsibility . what should it responsibility. what should it be? england wales, northern ireland. it's ten. scotland is 12. that is much lower , by the 12. that is much lower, by the way, than many, many, many other countries. it's been a debate as rumbled on for years about whether or not that age should be lifted. should it be so ? be lifted. should it be so? maybe we'll see to . in coming up maybe we'll see to. in coming up on time within tonight's aspire finally hit shelves, dan gives his unflinching verdict on prince harry's tome of eight. the nation's top royal experts and insiders will weigh in, too, including angela levin, biographer of the queen, consort and former diana butler , paul and former diana butler, paul burrell, who will defend himself against scathing allegations by the duke plus fleet street icon kelvin mackenzie offers a defence of the british press . defence of the british press. and meghan kelly asked if even america has had enough of the sussexes joined dan 9 pm. to 11 pm. on .

gb news hello there . welcome back to hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me . michelle dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry you guys are quite divided tonight, so you are in terms of the anti strike laws was discussing that first i would say it's almost like a 5050 split between you guys . i 5050 split between you guys. i want your ideas , by the way, on want your ideas, by the way, on social care about who do you think is the person or what is the policy or what is the process? i don't know. that's a fix solution. social i want your solutions on that . i'm asking solutions on that. i'm asking you with a right now about criminal age of responsibility, the minimum age. i want your thoughts on that. if you tuned, then you wondering what's going on we are. michelle on and who we all are. michelle dewberry this is dewbs& co. we're with till seven and we're with you till seven and alongside me the political consultant emma burnell and the political commentator benedict spence. political commentator benedict spence . it's phil, says, michel,

spence. it's phil, says, michel, you know from wrong a very early age most kids are pretty switched on by the age of ten. it's one thing being pretty switched on phillip but are you aware criminally of what is illegal? what is a crime , what illegal? what is a crime, what is not? this is kind of what i'm pondenng is not? this is kind of what i'm pondering tonight, richard says, reducing it to ten would massively help cure the problem of anti—social behaviour and would help the police to it is ten in england wales. sorry, and it hasn't . and now by the way, it hasn't. and now by the way, philip, she richard sorry she's she's chipping in there saying it hasn't it matters many of you is saying 12. so that is what i'm pondering right now. i just i'm pondering right now. ijust heard , by the way, that story in heard, by the way, that story in the states, a six year old i i'm not comparing this to the states, but goodness me, what kind of world we live in. so the minimum age of criminal responsibility is sometimes called it is ten in england, wales and northern ireland, but it's out for public consultation at the moment. northern ireland

about potentially raising it . about potentially raising it. the age in scotland is 12. all of this always conversations emma burnell about where is the right level . i always sit there right level. i always sit there and i think of james bolger. i'll never forget it. can you? it's of course, the first case that springs to mind , that springs to mind, particularly of anyone of our generation . yeah, we remember generation. yeah, we remember that so clearly and so viscerally. i think , look, it's viscerally. i think, look, it's really hard. i would not set the criminal age of responsibility at ten because i think there is at ten because i think there is a difference between knowing the bafic a difference between knowing the basic right and wrong that a ten year old understands and understanding consequence is. and we have a lot of discussions about the kinds of decisions that we should and should not be allowing teenagers to make, usually around their own bodies. so should you be should you be smoking? should you be having sex? should you be allowed to make life changing alteration to your body under the age of 16? under the age of 18, we have

those discussions because we know that age ten, somebody understand ending of the future and there and the consequences are not fully formed and so we do as a society have to understand what we do with people who behave apparently but are not yet fully formed and grown up human beings able to understand the consequences of that behaviour. we of course have to take children who i mean we with the reason that we remember the jamie age crime is because it was so and so outside of the norm that it it's not statistically significant as it were in terms of the levels of criminality. but those children have to be criminal. i don't they committed a criminal act. but do we have to take those children out of society ? how children out of society? how that then happens , whether they that then happens, whether they should have gone through a grown up trial is different from should they be removed from society , which they absolutely society, which they absolutely had to be . they're not children

had to be. they're not children anymore. that the worst . yeah. anymore. that the worst. yeah. say those two people or the snatched, tortured and ultimately essentially murdered a two year old. do you think that they were criminals? i think they were not. they shouldn't have been tried as criminals. think they should probably have been in broadmoor or whatever. the child equivalent is for equivalent of broadmoor is for the of their lives, because the rest of their lives, because were clearly such a state of were clearly in such a state of mental negligence that they were unable to i mean, they were immoral. they were immoral, even without morals . they absolutely without morals. they absolutely didn't compare them to a 30 year old who knows full well the consequences of their actions and keeps on. i don't think i can year old and a 30 year old because they just aren't the same person. my fear around raising age is that what we raising the age is that what we will do is end up sort of brushing off behaviour that happens before 12 is oh, that's just childish, this, that and the other that's high the other, that's just high jinks, matter. and jinks, that doesn't matter. and i very interesting i think it's very interesting that in that this is happening in scotland, there's scotland, saying there's a major push to also reduce push in scotland to also reduce the voting age down to 16. and

you sat going, you you kind of sat there going, you know, does the know, where does the responsibility to the responsibility happen to the younger they are? they're more responsible make big changing responsible to make big changing decisions. and also criminal behaviour. there? i behaviour. what happens there? i think putting the sort of a firm label on something around age ten 12, this is a criminal ten or 12, this is a criminal decision, isn't necessarily isn't necessarily the most helpful thing. but i do think that doesn't mean that you shouldn't have very firm intervention and the potential shouldn't have very firm inttake1tion and the potential shouldn't have very firm inttake children the potential shouldn't have very firm inttake children out potential shouldn't have very firm inttake children out of )tential shouldn't have very firm inttake children out of society. to take children out of society. there will always be the occasional examples of children who can never be part of society , as i think is the case of james bulger. , as i think is the case of james bulger . but thank god that james bulger. but thank god that isn't a regular occurrence. it's actually . there actually quite unusual. there should them measures in place should be them measures in place for people like that to be removed, but that doesn't mean that, you know, children who you know and know, get into fights and accidentally , you know, maim accidentally, you know, maim somebody or something like because they've shown. that because they've been shown. that doesn't mean that they're the same psychopath. you know, same as a psychopath. you know, it doesn't mean that the same as a year has known for a 30 year old who has known for most life that this is most of their life that this is wrong and continues behave in most of their life that this is wviolentd continues behave in

most of their life that this is wviolentd cori nues behave in most of their life that this is wviolentd cori think behave in most of their life that this is wviolentd cori think that have in a violent way. i think that needs be understanding needs to be some understanding that, right that, yes, they understand right and much as they and wrong, but as much as they don't a consequence of any don't have a consequence of any idea of consequences , they don't idea of consequences, they don't have concept in the have a concept of time in the same an adult as same way with an adult as ehhen same way with an adult as either. know, you can say either. you know, you can say you're going to go to prison for the life. you the rest of your life. you barely for 5 minutes. barely been alive for 5 minutes. you what. that means you don't know what. that means it's see it's entirely different. see think too many are think too many people are too soft. i've got soft. i do think i've got i agree with that. i think a lot of people are soft, but i don't think you know, saying that think the you know, saying that somebody 12 somebody is a criminal at 12 rather makes rather than ten makes the blinders a of difference. blinders a bit of difference. there what we still expect there you what we still expect is intervention matters to is intervention it matters to the does matter the world does it does it matter to if saying to the outcome? if you're saying if you're gonna lock them up permanently well permanently anyway. yeah well we don't lock anyone permanently. well i mean that's a whole different if, if different matter. but if, if what we're talking about is if you commit kind of you commit that kind of atrocious once in atrocious crime, that is once in atrocious crime, that is once in a you are removed a generation you are removed permanently from society. and we all agree on that panel, all agree on that on this panel, i think. but that's not to say, people, when going out, people, when we're going out, but that's what we're saying they been there. but they should have been there. but there's between there's a difference between that so that removal being so psychiatric and removal psychiatric and that removal being criminal and if you

being criminal and that if you make a blanket law for all 12 year olds based on that case, that was once in a generation. that's a different that has different consequences. different outcomes. also, they were released as adults . so were released as adults. so again, a different again, that's a different conversation about whether conversation about, whether or not can as it were, cured not you can be as it were, cured of what it that afflicts, which i think most people say, i think most people would say, no, be. so that's no, you can't be. so that's a different well, yeah , i different i think. well, yeah, i mean, this whole james bolger thing is i think it's an age thing is i think it's an age thing because those two people i don't mean like that to me they're animals as two people that did that. so that little boy , they were released, they boy, they were released, they were given whole anonymity were given a whole anonymity courtesy the taxpayer. one of them proved himself to a monumental wrong and in and out of the justice system again . and of the justice system again. and |, of the justice system again. and i, i just think so many people look upon it and say all but their children, their children , their children, their children, their children, their children, their children. and it just doesn't wash with me. so what is message? and says, michelle, i am a worker in child protection and i can say that children are only to understand their

only able to understand their responsibility regarding criminal actions dependent on parenting. many children and never taught right from wrong. so i vow to you as the profession will. but i've got to be honest , i even that's i don't be honest, i even that's i don't really with me because sure you know you can be the worst parents a child in the land. you must know if you attack somebody , if you steal, if you whatever, surely you must know that that's wrong . am i deluded? i don't wrong. am i deluded? i don't know. i mean about. so the professionals, of course. amy says ten is probably a region reasonable age to be held criminally responsible. but the court should and probably do consider that their age very carefully when thinking about mitigating circumstances and any sentence . and the two killers, sentence. and the two killers, by the way, they actually took a case to the european court of human rights , if that's the human rights, if that's the right level for it . and they got right level for it. and they got pay right level for it. and they got pay out because actually it was

ruled that they didn't get a fair trial because they went through the adult court system . through the adult court system. and i mean, again, that would be a change in if they hadn't gone through the criminal system , through the criminal system, they wouldn't have been able to bnng bring that case. yeah, but i think i, i mean, honestly, i've got to be careful because i get so emotional about this is the problem that we have to take out when making law. you can't make law based the bolger case much as we wish to emote about. it's not i feel every bit as sick as you do, michelle, for capital punishment goes through the roof. well idea that , roof. yeah well idea is that, you know, we're supposed to make laws on, you know, in laws not based on, you know, in the of moment because the heat of the moment because laws is the same laws are which is the same actually when comes things actually when it comes to things like like like striking and things like that. the laws that. if you make the laws whilst are going whilst the strikes are going on, you're likely to make the wrong kind because a kind of laws because it's a different set of circumstances when at it in the when you're looking at it in the cold, hard light of day. yeah. and got to i and i've got to say, i do consider it particular case consider it that particular case makes enormous emotional more makes me enormous emotional more now got now than ever, because i've got a boy same age of a little boy the same age of james . so is it just such james bolger. so is it just such an awful case . burnett say,

an awful case. burnett say, seven year olds these days can talk to you like an adult, a seven year old today is esquivel in to a 12 year old. 50 years ago, i'm not sure that was i'm not sure that's a scientific we should not be speaking to seven year olds like adults and they should not be having access to that kind of adult conversation. i'm a i'm a i'm a i'm of the complete opposite. i think people extend their childhoods in far their in adolescence far into their twenties think twenties and i don't think i mean i do grow up there's mean i do grow up that there's ways out there. i think ways and ways out there. i think there's a problem there's a real problem with children access to too children having access to too far, too much adult content. but there's also an infantilizing nofion there's also an infantilizing notion of all of us. i mean , notion of all of us. i mean, well into our twenties, thirties, forties, even in my case, well into where we don't live. case, well into where we don't uve.the case, well into where we don't live. the more grown up life that we once expected to. yeah. i'm just so you're aware in france , for example, is 30 an france, for example, is 30 an italy 14, spain 14, australia ten. northern ireland . i said,

ten. northern ireland. i said, of course is ten. but they are putting out to consultation as we speak very emotive subjects. and i have to be honest , we speak very emotive subjects. and i have to be honest, i, i think with all it's coming in and look how best time doesn't, it's when you're getting stuck into interesting topics . i into interesting topics. i wonder before i leave you tonight, how much do you think you need in order to live a comfortable life wherever you live? how much money? tell me and i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me, michelle dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 this evening alongside the political consultant emma burnell and the political commentator benedict spence. welcome back, everybody . or the age of criminal responsibility that is caught

you talking the minimum age. now, this is not a scientific poll, i grant you that, but i get the sense from looking at your comments that actually the majority certainly people that are contacting me are absolutely fine with the age of ten. as it stands, it'll be interesting to see them once they the outcome of the public consultation that they're having in northern ireland . gavin i think you make ireland. gavin i think you make an interesting point. i'm not sure if i agree with that, but interesting nonetheless, you say interesting nonetheless, you say in your mind up until the age of 80 and the actions of a child should be entirely the responsibility of the parent , responsibility of the parent, criminal or otherwise , really. criminal or otherwise, really. so i don't know. like if your 17 and a half year old child that you've tried your best with goes out and i don't know, heaven forbid madison mom, what you think that the parent should go and serve 25 years in prison? i'm sure i agree. but each to their own . let me know your their own. let me know your thoughts, martin says a similar famous parents disciplining their children properly , then their children properly, then ultimately we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. i'm

possibly wrong, but i thought one of those biological is as an example. i thought one of them did come from a reasonable background testing my memory now, but i'm sure you'll correct me if i'm wrong, right? esta and i think you're talking about the social care topic here. so you're saying instead of expecting government to look after parents and pay for after our parents and pay for it, perhaps it's high time we took and looked took responsibility and looked after ourselves . lots of you on after ourselves. lots of you on this social care thing again, you can't fix the nhs until you fix social care. i completely agree. and john says the age of criminality has worked fine for so many years. so if it is not broken, do not fix it. you say it's worked well for many, but actually this debate has rumbled on for many, years and it on for many, many years and it divides many opinions. and of divides so many opinions. and of course it differs as well as notes the world over in terms of that age. now are you that minimum age. now are you comfortable in terms of your life, in terms of your income ? life, in terms of your income? do you think you have a nice life or apparently, life or not? apparently,

according survey , many according to a survey, many people are saying that they need a salary of . people are saying that they need a salary of . £49,300 a year to a salary of. £49,300 a year to live comfortably in london. that rose to £65,000. as i found that quite fascinating . emma burnell. quite fascinating. emma burnell. i mean, what can debate and dispute what actually we mean by comfortable but in essence, you know, let's just be sensible . know, let's just be sensible. i'm not so about five star luxurious holidays. i'm about the bell's a nice place to live or a reasonable place to live and a little bit spare at the end of the month. what do you think? i think really complex. i mean, it does sort of on mean, it does sort of depend on what by comfortable as what you mean by comfortable as are about, five are we talking about, five holidays a year, two cars and oh, we're all we shouldn't say that, but will always interest in these debates is actually quite often the more comfortable you are, the less some you sometimes feel it and actually the less you actually have to pay the less you actually have to pay out. so i'm lucky enough to

own my home with a mortgage. my mortgage is so much lower than the other people in my building with almost six very, very similar flats who have to pay rent and they pay double what i pay rent and they pay double what i pay for the exact same property. so if me and the person living in that flat were doing exactly the same job, i would be comfortable . they would be comfortable. they would be deeply uncomfortable because their percentage of their earnings would be so much higher on paying for the exact same flats and their living costs. true. so i think we have to take it out simply from going if you earn this, you are comfortable . earn this, you are comfortable. if you don't earn this, you will have to one think about actually what's as well as what's what's out as well as what's coming found coming in. i was found fascinating well , the figure fascinating as well, the figure that people define meaning wealthy because to your point as well wealth in depends on kind of your outgoings ultimately doesn't it? let's be clear , your doesn't it? let's be clear, your level of comfort does depend on what you've got to spend out, but found that quite an but i found that quite an interesting one. but anyway average work interesting one. but anyway aver'they'd work interesting one. but anyway aver'they'd live work interesting one. but anyway aver'they'd live comfortably work

interesting one. but anyway aver'they'd live comfortably on k said they'd live comfortably on benedict in the east of england was 44 grand london as i said, 65 yorkshire. i found this quite interesting . monarch. there was interesting. monarch. there was 45 grand c i actually found that quite a lot. eric it's quite expensive . i have figure if i'm expensive. i have figure if i'm thinking my duke is also quite expensive. i understand you have places like hull, but actually yorkshire is not one homogenous zone. it's got very , very zone. it's got some very, very nice places and some very depnved nice places and some very deprived which i think deprived areas, which i think kind in the middle of kind of meets in the middle of about i don't think about 45,000. i don't think that's unfair. this that's actually too unfair. this is levelling up wales to the nonh is levelling up wales to the north east, 7000, 47,000. yeah, that's wales b again. very, very nice part of the world, very expensive half. what do you think scotland, i imagine there's a massive disconnect between glasgow edinburgh between glasgow and edinburgh and the highlands. recording 35 things deep into the 35,000. let's say scotland, 48,000 apparently. is this sum that people don't think edinburgh is crazy. that's right. yeah so but do you think we've almost reach a point in society where it's

almost unreasonable for this moment in time anyway, this cost of living crisis to want to be comfortable ? do we just have to comfortable? do we just have to fasten all bells off and just, you know, write these choppy waves? part of me does often think actually that's the think that actually that's the that this country, broadly speaking , has lived beyond its speaking, has lived beyond its means long time, and means for a very long time, and that we don't quite understand that we don't quite understand that most people in world, that most people in the world, most world do most countries in the world do not live anywhere not actually live anywhere near the living the quality of living that we have to say that have now. that's not to say that we all regress or that we we should all regress or that we should be happy with the regression, be regression, but you should be prepared not prepared that things will not always rosy. now, always be quite so rosy. now, the other thing to take into account is you might say account is that you might say that you on that 44,000 is what you live on comfortably, but fact that comfortably, but the fact that you 44,000 instantly, you get 44,000 instantly, respiration anything. respiration its go up anything. 60,000 is think 60,000 is what i think very recently actually it was significantly in significantly less certainly in london people felt was london what people felt was comfortable, i think was comfortable, i think it was around now 60. and around 40 and now at 60. and that's a sign of quite that's i think a sign of quite how moved. how quickly things have moved. and london i think it does and in london i think it does sort of skew things because really be pretty really you need to be pretty well have a comfortable well off to have a comfortable existence the existence in london, whereas the rest that's not

rest of the country, that's not quite case. yeah. mark says quite the case. yeah. mark says one the problems michel one of the problems here, michel , are just not , is that people are just not willing live within willing to live within their means . for many people, means anymore. for many people, by the way, i blame things like social media for all of this because everyone on social media seems to have everything and then get jealous, dirty. then people get jealous, dirty. but way, the time but by the way, half the time a lot these people on social lot of these people on social media really have media don't really have this stuff. bought it stuff. they probably bought it from the labels on, from a shop, kept the labels on, took pictures, sent took the pictures, and then sent the thing back to the shop. if ask me lots of you still the thing you guys are talking thing that you guys are talking about age of about today is this age of criminal responsibility . there criminal responsibility. there seems to be a lot of support for that whole notion that if a child commits a criminal act, it is the pet, the parent that should be held respond suitable for that . i don't know where for that. i don't know where i stand on that. mark, you say exactly the same thing that you do agree the prosecute the parents for their kid's crimes. some people you know they are good parents , but that child is good parents, but that child is just a bit wrong in and rebels should the parent then get the

criminal record for the kids misdemeanours can i just jump in very quickly i think actually that there is a link through a lot of these stories and it goes back to what i said at the start, which is around the breakdown of trust. and i think start, which is around the breécannn of trust. and i think start, which is around the breécan also: trust. and i think start, which is around the breécan also link;t. and i think start, which is around the breécan also link that|d i think start, which is around the breécan also link that|d social you can also link that to social care one of the you care and i'm one of the of you is said thought was very is said which i thought was very interesting which was that people need to take more responsible, free for themselves. in other themselves. of course in other societies it's often the older members the are looked members of the family are looked after think after within the. and i think that a sense that there that there is a sense that there has been breakdown in has been a breakdown in communities the communities around much of the country. people country. you know, people have move they grew move away from where they grew up work is a very good up to find work is a very good example and i think example of that. and i think that again happens with people saying, parents? saying, where are the parents? where's there where's the responsibility there is a sense of is a i think a sense of yearning, loss, of a of yearning, of loss, of a sense of family identity, unit, family identity, family unit, community as well that family identity, family unit, con have ity as well that family identity, family unit, con have ity and as well that family identity, family unit, conhaveity and perhaps. that family identity, family unit, conhaveity and perhaps people we have lost. and perhaps people want feel that want to get back and feel that things would get better if we have well you have that back. well there you go. content. i go. and a lot of content. i remember with a family remember staying with a family in vietnam. i think it was, and there was many different there was so many different generations one generations crammed in one tiny little got little house. i've got to say, i have been unsigned, typically outvoted tonight because i'm

just so many emails just getting so many emails thick fast, saying if your thick and fast, saying if your child is a criminal and you as the parent should be prosecuted , goodness me, that's a lesson to us to all be good parents. that isn't it. that is all i've got time for. thank you very much, both of you, for the conversation. over to you, mr. farage. have you got for us farage. what have you got for us , michelle? thank you . we'll be , michelle? thank you. we'll be going live to a small village in northamptonshire where a 17th century manor is about to be filled up with 400 young males who recently crossed the english channel. it will double the population of the village . we'll population of the village. we'll be asking at what point are we going to say enough? i'll be asking david davis very asking david davis that very question . but all of that comes question. but all of that comes after the all important weather . sunday's . on gb newsroom 930. . sunday's. on gb newsroom 930. it's camilla tominey for a politics show with personality. then at 11, michael portillo for topical discussion debate , some topical discussion debate, some ethical dilemmas and sometimes even a sense of the ridiculous.

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