welcome, cold, wonderful people. it's just gone 3 pm. it would be patchy on gb news. and coming up action show today when's it not strong words from the labour leader today in the house of commons, starmer blaming, commons, keir starmer blaming, the prime minister of causing the prime minister of causing the strikes by not the nhs worker strikes by not properly and accusing of choosing to prolong the misery rishi sunak said the government

wants constructive dialogue with the unions as up to 25,000 ambulance workers across england and wales have gone on strike. this is the big lie and they've gone on strike. a dispute with the government primary over pay also about conditions. i will be going to picket lines. i'll be speaking to politician and crucially i'll be speaking to a major union, represent steve in just a matter of minutes so make yourself a cup of tea and lock yourself a cup of tea and lock yourself in for this the so called oasis bride shamima vega said she understands public anger towards her but insisted she's not a bad person. the fact is that we wouldn't know any of this if it wasn't for the bbc because they've decided to do brand new podcast essentially looking to i would argue anyway their image i want to know do you think the media should be giving her a platform to share her story to actually put her side across to rehabilitate herself really? and if we haven't had enough already from prince harry he's now pumped up on the late show , the states on the late show, the states suggesting media reports about

him about killing the him boasting about killing the taliban , serving a soldier. taliban, serving as a soldier. in new book, oh, very in his new book, oh, very dangerous. his memoir, spare, is now officially in the fastest selling non—fiction book. yes, that's non—fiction book. get in touch with me, gb views gbnews.uk. i want to hear you in the inbox. go straight , the bat the inbox. go straight, the bat rarely do you think that the bbc should in a podcast shamima flapping fake the headlines. patrick thank you very much. it's 3:02. i'm tatiana in the gb newsroom nhs waiting times and strikes dominated the first pmqs of this year with labour. strikes dominated the first pmqs of this year with labour . the of this year with labour. the government has gone from clapping nurses to sacking the nurses . the prime clapping nurses to sacking the nurses. the prime minister quizzed the opposition leader on why he wasn't supporting government's minimum safety legislation during industrial action . sir keir starmer action. sir keir starmer responded, saying if rishi sunak had negotiated nhs workers, they wouldn't be on strike, accusing

him choosing to prolong misery . him choosing to prolong misery. it comes as up to 25,000 ambulance workers across england and wales, striking today overpay . mr. sunak says and wales, striking today overpay. mr. sunak says minimum service levels for key services shouldn't controversial right now people not knowing whether when they call 999 they will get the treatment that they need . the treatment that they need. and mr. speaker enough in australia in australia and canada and the us they ban strikes blue light services. we're not doing that. all we're saying is that in these emergency services , patients emergency services, patients should be able to rely , on should be able to rely, on a bafic should be able to rely, on a basic level of , life saving care basic level of, life saving care . why is he against that? mr. labour leader keir starmer claimed the prime minister is full of empty promises. he's not promising . people will get to promising. people will get to see a doctor in a few like they did under labour. he's not promising that cancer patients

get urgent treatment. as i said under labour, he's not even promising an nhs that puts patients first like it did under labour. patients first like it did under labour . no, patients first like it did under labour. no, he's promising. no the one day. although we can't say when the record high waiting lists will stop growing . i see. lists will stop growing. i see. after 13 years in government, what does it say ? but the best what does it say? but the best i can offer is that at some point they might stop making things worse . conservative mp andrew worse. conservative mp andrew bridgen has had the whip removed with immediate effect following his criticism of the covid vaccine after he shared a tweet likening it to the holocaust. the chief whip , simon hart, says the chief whip, simon hart, says mr. bridgen has crossed the line, causing great offence in the process. he says misinformation about the vaccine causes harm and cost lives. the prime minister said the comments were utterly unacceptable . i were utterly unacceptable. i join with my reasonable friend completely condemning . those completely condemning. those types of comments that we saw this morning in the stronger

strongest possible terms. obviously it is utterly to make linkages and use language like that and i'm determined that the scourge of anti—semitism is eradicated. it has absolute no place in our society . and i know place in our society. and i know that the previous few years have been challenging for the jewish community, and i never want them to experience anything like that ever again . meanwhile rail union ever again. meanwhile rail union has warned its dispute is further away from being resolved than when it started last year. trade union leaders have appeared before the commons amid the ongoing . the aslef general the ongoing. the aslef general secretary told the transport select committee that on a scale of i to 10 the resolution officer was at zero. the rmt general secretary has told mps the government is attempting to lower the wages of working people. he also says he doesn't know if his members will accept profound changes to the industry under the current proposals, which are sponsored and put forward by. the department of

transport. there will be no ticket offices and the last version of the offer that we had from the talks, there will be no guards even so, these are very stark choices. plus, they want to dilute all of our contractual terms and conditions virtually. so it's a very strong challenge for us . elsewhere in the for us. elsewhere in the country, teachers in scotland to faint for supporting their continued strike action. a national parent forum has found that 80% of parents have backed the walkout over pay . secondary the walkout over pay. secondary schools across scotland closed today following primary schools being shut yesterday while have failed to come to a solution . failed to come to a solution. the scottish teaching union demanding a 10% pay increase but being offered 5% the prime minister and his counterpart are hosting bilateral meeting at the tower of london where they are due to sign major defence agreement . the treaty will allow

agreement. the treaty will allow the uk and japan to deploy forces each other's countries. it will make the uk the first european country to have mutual access with japan as of a foreign policy tilt towards indo—pacific region. the gains to growing threat from china . to growing threat from china. the government is calling it the most defence agreement between and tokyo in more than century. now an accident inquiry has found a number of defects in the running of a luxury hotel contributed a fatal fire. the cameron house hotel on the banks of loch lomond caught fire in december of 2017 after a night porter left a plastic bag of ashes in a concierge cupboard . ashes in a concierge cupboard. simon midgley and his partner richard dyson both died in the blaze. the inquiry found precautions could have stopped the fire from breaking out and has called other hotels to have up to date fire procedures in place . and flights in the us are

place. and flights in the us are beginning to resume after mass computer outage led to thousands of flights being . now if you're of flights being. now if you're watching on television here's a live shot of the ronald reagan washington airport where air traffic is now beginning to get back to normal. the federation aviation administration says that system which alerts pilots about essential information at airports wasn't up dating. the white house says currently no evidence of a cyberattack . evidence of a cyberattack. president joe biden ordering , an president joe biden ordering, an investigation . this is a gb investigation. this is a gb news. we're bringing mornings as it happens. now it's back to patrick . patrick. right. welcome along, everybody. ihave right. welcome along, everybody. i have got a proper roundup of a show for you today. we're kicking off. i know we're all sick of strikes, but we're kicking with the ambulance ones.

the strikes well, the paramedic strikes as well, because it's a little bit of interesting detail this and i want hear from on it more want to hear from you on it more than 20,000 paramedics and ambulance support staff have walked today in their second walked out today in their second strike supposedly strike this winter. supposedly supposedly is going supposedly this strike is going to have more an impact to have much more of an impact than easy for than the last one. easy for me to there's of to say. there's less of a national plan in place to deal with covering for people who've decided to strike patients have been expect waits 999 been told to expect waits 999 calls as well as major delays for ambulances. it's all part of a dispute over pay and conditions. the gmb union, who we're going to be speaking to shortly anyway , unison, wants a shortly anyway, unison, wants a new pay deal . workers with new pay deal. workers with a rise and above inflation . this rise and above inflation. this is nothing new, is it? ladies and gentlemen, since the dawn of time, it seems we've been talking about whether or not they deserve a rise or whether or not, frankly, it's affordable to a pay rise over and to give them a pay rise over and above inflation. it above inflation. i suppose it becomes increasingly as becomes increasingly likely as inflation drops. but speaking earlier health and earlier today, the health and social care secretary steve barclay said the strikes were an

unnecessary disruption at a time the nhs is under absolutely massive pressure and to be fair, the isn't a massive pressure and we could all do without this, couldn't we? but paramedic vimal mistry disagrees and explained. answer picket line in nottingham why he's out in terms staff morale and stuff. people are seeing all this and they're just getting run down and with the pressures of interest rates going up, people and fuel costs, people just can't afford the things that they could do before . so i'm now having to think about how much heating i've got in anas sarwar so now for 2 hours now, fuel costs, i'm considering that. so paramedics wage isn't the worst, but it's certainly not the best. and i didn't think i'd be in a position where be thinking about how much i'm going to have on and in terms of paying it's going up in slight increments ,

going up in slight increments, we've got to think about everything else up as well . do everything else up as well. do you have to think about commentating? you've gone. i do i think most people do that now? remember growing up my parents alternate myself. it was like blackpool illuminations in air, how much heat we got on. it's pretty standard stuff, isn't it? how think that at how did he never think that at some in his life he would have to consider how much he was spending we all do that spending on his? we all do that . anyway, i want to know . anyway, i just want to know from today we're going to be talking quite a lot. talking about this quite a lot. we're to have politicians are going to going picket lines, going to be going picket lines, going to be going picket lines, going striking workers. going to have striking workers. we're have a union we're also going to have a union representative as representative from the gmb as well. when things are well. look, when all things are considered you realise that considered and you realise that a paramedic's annual salary is somewhere between around 25 and £45,000 a year, depending on how far along they are. is pay rise over and above inflation affordable in your view ? is it affordable in your view? is it worth people dying as a result of them being on strike? and i just want to know what you think of that. gb views that gbnews.uk

joining me now is gb news is national reports the theatrical number. he's at london's waterloo ambulance nation and our reporter will our east midlands reporter will hollis in lincoln us. hollis who is in lincoln for us. well, start you. what's well, i will start you. what's the scene where you are i can see a few ambulances in the background background . yes. background background. yes. well, this is a really busy a—road that encircles lincoln. it's where the police and ambulance service work from. and as you can see, just behind me, there's around a dozen or. so ambulance workers, paramedics, technicians and, i think a few call handlers as. technicians and, i think a few call handlers as . well, and on call handlers as. well, and on the road right next to it, you hear from the cars that a lot of people are pippin and support. and i think we've got a bit of a lull in the traffic this morning. certainly since i've been but 7:00, been here. but around 7:00, it did seem like a lot of people here lincoln their here in lincoln were given their support their horns to the support by in their horns to the people that are on strike. i've been speaking to a few them been speaking to a few of them a group of around three or four that young, fairly that were quite young, fairly new profession . they new to this profession. they were telling me the change since they started a few years ago is

dramatic. they were explaining to me that the reason for this strike is, of course, about pay, but it's also about conditions and a few years ago they would probably have one bad day a month now they say they have one good day a month and there's times they're sacked in an ambulance or in a paramedic's car , somebody who is in car, somebody who is in a serious sleep bad condition, but they can't get them inside of they can't get them inside of the hospital and be getting calls from 999 handlers saying that they've got a category one, a cardiac arrest, and there are no ambulances to support them. so while i think a lot of people are concerned about pay and inflation as you've quite rightly said, a lot , of people rightly said, a lot, of people that are on strike on picket lines today are also very worried the state of the worried about the state of the nhs that's they've taken nhs and that's why they've taken their strike today. their decision to strike today. okay, thank you much okay, well, thank you very much . picture from lincoln . is the picture from lincoln i'm going to throw just before we to a union rep from the we go to a union rep from the gmb, which think will really gmb, which think will be really interesting his take on interesting to get his take on it well. i want to hear it as well. see, i want to hear from you. you are london

waterloo ambulance. from what i can see, similar scene behind you, lines, etc. what's you, picket lines, etc. what's on? yes. so we've been here for several hours now, joining some of the ambulances , workers of the ambulances, workers who've been here throughout day and 5:00 this afternoon or early evening ambulance callers will be joining here on the picket line , similar to what you've line, similar to what you've heard from. well, there they are here to talk about pay, but also conditions. they're saying staffing levels on what they to be. i spoke to a senior paramedic a several hours ago and she was saying many years ago wasn't like this. we would obviously difficult periods dunng obviously difficult periods during winter when it's busy but this is unprecedented she said in her own words saying we simply don't have enough staff to that members of public to ensure that members of public patients who need us can get the support they need. to my left there are two roads, ambulances parked up. so this is a working line to say people will be heading off when the call comes and they'll be here for the next few hours. but they say they

will going to patients as and will be going to patients as and when the come in because when the calls come in because if are. thank very if they are. thank you very much. come back, there is much. as you come back, there is london station right . london ambulance station right. we are going to be returning to the picket lines throughout the course of show. but i want course of this show. but i want to bring in now andy prendergast, the national prendergast, who is the national of union. andy, great of the gmb union. andy, great stuff. much for stuff. thank you very much for coming on show. a lot of coming on the show. a lot of people saying that if you want a pay people saying that if you want a pay rise over and above inflation, that's absolute nuts and your people should go back to work. well mean. firstly, i like the way you get the idea that that is what the gmb have asked. we've asked for a substantial pay rise. we've been offered 4% inflation and if you look rpi , currently 14% and look at rpi, currently 14% and no point and we that we wouldn't the figures lower than that and you know negotiations are wages looking at something to address fact that over the last 12 years the average worker lost 13% of their so is there a particular figure in mind that you wouldn't mind revealing to us right now you would go for? do you think

so? we can get surprisingly, i'm not to revealing on the not going to revealing my on the co—creation on national television that's having a bit of room it's something we've been trying to speak with government the government who. naseem on naseem zahawi heard on television we should television and said we should negotiate not strike. we negotiate and not strike. we completely sadly first completely agree. sadly first time government turned up to time the government turned up to talk pay was actually talk about pay was actually monday of this week. now we had a strike in december. they didn't talk about a they now soften their approach. they seem willing to talk about pay . willing to talk about pay. hopefully after today you'll see even all yeah can i ask when was the 4% pay rise offer that the 34% came under a pay review body and came out in roughly about april last . so we were april last. so we were consistently trying to deal with the government on this to say it wasn't enough. unfortunately they refused engage so they refused to engage so affected lay off the head against a brick wall. for many months decision in months we took the decision in which was supported by our members action. now members strike action. now i completely understand absolute that you guys have a job to do

and you personally have a job to do. you all the people who you are paid to represent. absolutely. and you know what, if you feel as though you've had to this. that's to resort to this. that's entirely prerogative. you entirely your prerogative. you mind to some of mind just explaining to some of our viewers and our listeners who maybe have relatives dying as a result of people not being able to get an ambulance, why your work is getting a pay rise . this moment in time is more important than their relative staying alive . well, the first staying alive. well, the first point, quite simply, is if you look at the last day of strikes in the ambulances on the 21st of december because of the steps we played in the coverage we were paying, played in the coverage we were paying, you were more likely to be picked by now and get into a category one case than you were on end of year. the on the end of the year. the college medicine college emergency medicine estimate , lives are lost of estimate, 500 lives are lost of problems every week . with with problems every week. with with with that situation going on is one of these so i don't background so you know putting it bluntly the sense that the system is on its knees. the

health and social care committee within parliament have said that they have to address staff shortages . the only way to shortages. the only way to address staff shortages by pay increases . and quite simply, you increases. and quite simply, you know, if we another way forward, which was a strike action would be taken, we don't would everything go away in terms of the argument about conditions if people were just paid the rate of inflation at the minute it would move towards that it would allow them to stop addressing addressing the problems. but you can't solve the problems of addressing type a yeah, i get that this is that it's not really about is it. it is about pay really about is it. it is about pay isn't well to be honest with you if we were in a situation where all members were able to do their job, they weren't spending entire shifts with people in an appalling state in an waiting for a bed an ambulance waiting for a bed in and waiting to be seen. in a&e and waiting to be seen. i don't think people would that don't think people would be that unhappy. reality, as i unhappy. but the reality, as i say is, you can't deal with these problems until we deal

with and you businesses. with staff and you businesses. but only make business. if but it's only make business. if you can't recruit what you you can't recruit and what you pay you can't recruit and what you pay you've got two choices pay and you've got two choices you about your right up you go about we your right up and the moment the government and at the moment the government choosing without an impact choosing to go without an impact to is british public to that is the british public is suffering percentage your suffering what percentage your members voted to go on members that voted to go on a varied we get our trust by trust bafisl varied we get our trust by trust basis i think the highest was in the 60 percents now bearing in mind industrial action require postal votes . the only part of postal votes. the only part of legislation requires postal votes is industrial action law . votes is industrial action law. so where the tories were able to allow it to dissolve so that was lose trust all by online voting. we are prevented from doing that according to law . so we had according to law. so we had trusts where over two thirds of members voted to support a strike. in some cases we got votes close to 100% of those responding in support a strike. and what we've seen is right, the ambulance service, all members are solidly behind this dispute . okay. do argument now, dispute. okay. do argument now, isuppose dispute. okay. do argument now, i suppose at a time which kind

of went underreported, i think was maybe if you hadn't have done it, trust by, trust, and you'd done it as one you'd have just done it as one big thing you actually big whole thing you actually want about the numbers to go on strike. would you? to be strike. would you? well, to be honest you, i'm not going honest with you, i'm not going to into ins and outs of to get into the ins and outs of industrial legislation, but simply, man, simply, you know, we got, man, that have most that we have the most restrictive industrial action laws developed world. we laws in the developed world. we managed to get what you see look i get what you're but at the same it is worth noting same time it is worth noting that i think the narrative that every single paramedic and every single is single ambulance worker is clearly dissatisfied with clearly so dissatisfied with their conditions their pay and conditions that they've out on a they've decided to go out on a picket but reality, if picket line. but in reality, if you done a nationals ballot you had done a nationals ballot and just by trust, you might have had the numbers to go on strike. well i'd have to look at that. only indications are that we have the national we would have won the national ballot. the reason we went ballot. now the reason we went locally because that's locally, because that's largely a tactic and quite a union tactic and quite frankly, you know we've got over in places two thirds of all members voting for strike action and we're dealing with a government that has been elected by 29% the electorate. so not

by 29% of the electorate. so not taking to it, by the way, i by the way, i absolutely get the fact that at the minute it is difficult to go on strike than technically is to be elected by your own employees to become prime. not disputing prime. and i'm not disputing that. also nonsense that. okay. that also a nonsense in get me wrong. in my view. don't get me wrong. but just in terms the numbers given , the fact that your given, the fact that your members won't be receiving this is question. given that you is last question. given that you won't pay when won't be receiving full pay when off and potentially , potentially off and potentially, potentially not even 50% of your entire membership actually votes on strike to begin with, how much longer can you last really? well, i mean, we ultimate we take temperature checks of our members . the take temperature checks of our members. the time, take temperature checks of our members . the time, the take temperature checks of our members. the time, the mood on the picket sees absolutely solid . what's been amazing is the .what's been amazing is the support from the public that we have. support from the public that we have . and this is one of the have. and this is one of the strange disputes where actually are kind of going back with by waistbands and they went in because amount of cakes support biscuits from the public the pubuc biscuits from the public the public support us even tory backbenchers support us. the

government have come back to the table. they would pay and that is oh and i've enjoyed this. thank you very much and take care or i only public cost is national secretary of the gmb union. but what do you make of that ladies and gentlemen, there is to there are some bits is a lot to there are some bits i pretty that people i think it's pretty that people agree some base. other agree with some base. other people don't agree it. people don't agree with it. there's of people there's loads of people somewhere i want somewhere in the middle. i want to from you. gb views our to hear from you. gb views our gb dot uk. the nhs aren't gb news dot uk. the nhs aren't the ones who are on strike. you know there's big problems on too. is this too. of course there is this morning he say morning aslef. and he has to say bosses, appeared in front of the transport they were transport committee. they were questioned about the ongoing between unions and employers between the unions and employers mick lynch told employees that the attempt to the government no attempt to hold december because hold strikes in december because he accuse them of he would accuse them of deliberately skewing and provoking strike action. to me, it's sabotage and they wanted these strikes to go ahead. they these strikes to go ahead. they the going forward with the imposition of in network rail and rio would provoke a reaction they got the reaction they let they got the reaction they let the strikes go ahead over

christmas they didn't lift the telephone or a finger to get them off they brought forward stage managed releases in the last week about minimum service levels , about disruption and all levels, about disruption and all the rest of it, about me and various other people in the industry. they're all primed for the certain press outlets and the certain press outlets and the whole thing has been completely managed leading up to monday's sessions with the trade unions as far as i can see. so it's a deliberate torpedoing of the talks could have developed . the talks could have developed. you know, there's quite a to unpack. there really isn't . unpack. there really isn't. let's get to westminster with our political editor darren mccaffrey darren does. yes. like because there's a lot to unpack now when it comes to the railways mick lynch you saying the government is deliberately skew with the talks? is that true true ? it's quite difficult true true? it's quite difficult to tell in many ways because of course these talks are taking place behind closed doors. you've just be talking to a union leader trying to get his negotiating tactics out of him.

he's unwilling to do so. it's fair to say the government aren't willing to say what's happening, putting the happening, really putting the mental behind mental in the detail behind closed indeed the closed doors or indeed the unions as well. we largely this is about but it's also they would argue about condition as well in terms of the facts , the well in terms of the facts, the number of staff ticketing offices or indeed on train as well, not the companies, all all of this is on pay can't possibly fulfil a massive inflation pay rise because that would perpetuate the problems that we're in le. it would increase inflation and also that the need to be reformed that lots of people frankly do not go and buy tickets in ticket offices anymore. that's the case you do not need people manning ticket offices they may well be sell a ticket or two a day in saying that they would also say that these rail strikes damaging to these rail strikes damaging to the railways that frankly people would get out of the habit of using trains day in out and using trains day in day out and that be to the detriment of that will be to the detriment of unions long run. now unions in the long run. now ultimately, the unions saying

all they're asking for is a decent pay rise. it seems that the government may be inching towards a better pay offer for railway . but towards a better pay offer for railway. but in the end, the big question and you posed it actually when it came to paramedics nurses there as paramedics and nurses there as well is at moment the well is at the moment the government do seem perfectly willing back and play willing to sit back and play this a little bit . and it this out a little bit. and it may be a sense of blinks first in this game. you know, can unions really carry on this of strike action in the weeks and months to come? that will be fascinating if. there is no solution. it dominated pmqs today, particularly when it came today, particularly when it came to boards . when it comes to health boards. when it comes to health boards. when it comes to things like the national health service, you know, a nurse strikes paramedic strikes pubucis nurse strikes paramedic strikes public is still on the side of unions. and that's tricky for the because even though she said it was pretty robust today to a large degree heat in the end didn't really have an answer. what are these strikes that are coming to an end and how are they going to come to an end? and at the moment, you have to you have to kind of say the

government's getting quite a lot of blame for well, of the blame for them. well, yeah, this is this is the thing and honestly, i thought a and honestly, i thought in a way was bad politics, though i was quite bad politics, though i can keir starmer can understand from keir starmer to well, we're not going to to say, well, we're not going to work and chequebook at work and chequebook out and at the time we're not going to the same time we're not going to back down to strike legislation, which be which in some ways could be labelled as well is just going to as well so we to continue as well under. so we can't lob something like can't really lob something like that. i ask that. and you know, can i ask you though emerged, you something, though emerged, earlier on today anyway, it's about bridgen and he's about andrew bridgen and he's he's the tory party whip . he's lost the tory party whip. he. what's it what's he done now. remind me . well he's a now. just remind me. well he's a conservative mp was a conservative mp was a conservative mp was a conservative mp i should say who is being suspended from the commons by the way this week for an earlier inquiry into and not being totally transparent about that he is being campaigning i think it's fair to say in the last couple of months around vaccines and safety the covid vaccines and safety the covid vaccines were in place. now clearly as a politician in a democracy is entirely right doing so there are some valid

concerns about the vaccines and potentially the medical implications in a very small number of cases . i think it's number of cases. i think it's something he's brought from the commons, something he has tweeted extensively . however, tweeted extensively. however, i think it is also fair to say that his rhetoric ramped up, if you like, patrick in the last couple of weeks, were to the point he seemed to akin the vaccine rollout and its implications to that the holocaust, not for the conservative party fact for i'd say almost all of his colleagues if not all of them, that a step too far making that they thought it was well out of order. and thatis it was well out of order. and that is why pretty quickly must be said the conservative party withdrew the whip. they're going to investigation many to launch an investigation many people for andrew people are calling for andrew bridgen to apologise those bridgen to apologise for those remarks as far he has not done so and, i suspect for the time being there is little that that whip is going be restored whip is going to be restored many people who may well have about , there about vaccines. as i say, there are valid concerns out there, even if it is in a very small number of cases . even those number of cases. even those would that his remarks today

would say that his remarks today went too far and that this ultimately was the right punishment . ultimately was the right punishment. him yeah. darren, look thank very, very much. look thank you very, very much. darren mccaffrey is in westminster a rainy westminster for a rainy westminster for a rainy westminster of political editor . i think pretty much as a rule , just don't ever bring the holocaust . it really there's holocaust. it really there's never any need there. now, you would mean patrick christys up six people, including a border officer been injured with , officer have been injured with, one critical condition one in a critical condition after excuse train after a stabbing excuse train station paris . that's big station in paris. that's big news. we're going to be covering that. with our home that. the details with our home security editor. why some shocking info come out of that, by the way, we're going to be bringing to you also, the bringing that to you also, the so—called bride, shamima so—called isis bride, shamima begum has said that she understands public towards shamima but insists that she is not a bad person. of course, this is lady who went to join isis , an isis fighter, at least isis, an isis fighter, at least one got out a couple slices. babies allegedly. so suicide bombers into that, vests, etc. anyway, she's been speaking to the bbc for a new podcast blaming her portrayal in the

media for being viewed as a risk. i mean obviously there are certain differences also similarities when it comes to the all prince harry stuff isn't there. it can't all be the media's fault. shamima, you did go and join isis anyway. want to know from you on this particular story. vaiews@gbnews.uk do you think that the bbc i believe is a ten part podcast series, by the way ? i'm going to give the way? i'm going to give dunng the way? i'm going to give during a break and the opportunity to publicly resurrect . so do you think it resurrect. so do you think it should have done gbviews@gbnews.uk back in my .

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tatiana sanchez. the gb newsroom nhs waiting times and strikes dominated first pmqs of this year. dominated first pmqs of this year . labour dominated first pmqs of this year. labour claiming the government has gone clapping the nurses to sacking the nurses. the prime minister quizzed the opposition leader on why he won't . the government's minimum won't. the government's minimum safety during industrial action . it comes as up to 25,000 ambulance workers across . ambulance workers across. england and wales have gone on strike today. mr. sunak says minimum service levels for services shouldn't be controversial . but sir keir controversial. but sir keir starmer accused , the prime starmer accused, the prime minister of being full of empty promises right now , people not promises right now, people not knowing whether when they call 999 they will get the treatment that they . and mr. speaker , that they. and mr. speaker, enoughin that they. and mr. speaker, enough in australia and australia and canada and us they ban strikes blue light services we're not doing that. all we're saying is then these emergency services patients should be able to rely on a basic level of ,

to rely on a basic level of, life saving care . why is he life saving care. why is he against that? mr. he's not promising that people will get to see a doctor in a few days like they take under labour. he's promising that cancer patients will get urgent treatment as i did on under laboun treatment as i did on under labour. he's not even promising that hsz labour. he's not even promising that hs2 puts patients first like it did under. no, he's promising though the one day, although we can't say the record high waiting list will stop growing . i see after years in growing. i see after years in government, what does it say, but the best they can offer is that at some point they might stop making things worse . stop making things worse. conservative mp andrew bridgen has had the whip removed with immediate effect following . his immediate effect following. his criticism of the covid vaccine after he shared a tweet likening it to the holocaust. the chief, simon hart, says mr. bridgen crossed the line, causing great in the process. he says misinformation about the vaccine , harm and cost lives.

misinformation about the vaccine , harm and cost lives . an , harm and cost lives. an accident has found a number of defects . the running of a luxury defects. the running of a luxury hotel contrary due to a fatal fire. the cameron house hotel caughtin fire. the cameron house hotel caught in 2017 after an after a night porter left a plastic bag of ashes in a concierges cupboard. simon and his partner, richard dyson , died in the richard dyson, died in the blaze. the found precautions could have stopped fire from breaking out and has called for other hotels to have up to date fire procedures in place . tv and fire procedures in place. tv and tv plus radio . this is japanese . tv plus radio. this is japanese. yea let's just now i've just actually got some breaking news. you it's just come to us in the last few moments, which is with our security at its home how security at white market. i understand there's an isis video

that's emerged which to be urging attacks in various cities. is that right? yes we wouldn't play that video of course. but the propagandists within isis, the islamic state , within isis, the islamic state, which has never really gone away, even though it's been severely degraded by coalition forces . in are urging their forces. in are urging their followers to carry out fresh attacks against it. in that video . it shows attacks that video. it shows attacks that were taking place. just quickly, i'm sorry to interrupt you. you've got a slight issue with your so i'm going to move your mike, so i'm going to move on because would say slightly related well. peter blakesley related as well. peter blakesley joins now. go joins me in the studio now. go back that breaking news piece back to that breaking news piece of you were in talk of just for now you were in talk about that shamima about the fact that shamima begum potentially given begum has been potentially given the be the opportunity to be rehabilitated hands of rehabilitated at the hands of the remarkably what's the bbc. remarkably as what's going yes i've met a number going on. yes i've met a number of people who know shamima begum, they've been out begum, in fact they've been out to the camps and met up and the words keep recurring. whenever i'm conversations these i'm in conversations with these people and people are scheming and manipulative really . this

people are scheming and manipulative really. this is a young woman who was set out on a clear path to try and western westernise herself. yes we saw her with the state, with the baseball cap and all that. and indeed have because it was 2015 when she left the uk at, the age of 15, to join isis, a terrorist organisation . and so one could organisation. and so one could argue, in fact, some people do that she was a child , which that she was a child, which legally speaking, she although of course she was wiped beyond the age of criminal responsibility eight, which is ten, and so is one person is influence child, another person terrorist. yeah, but what would isuppose terrorist. yeah, but what would i suppose but she's giving a first full account of her flight to syria. she's told this bbc podcast, which is entitled the shamima back home story apparently is ten parts. we'll have to wait and see exactly about whether or not that drops. as she says that she's. yes, she joined the terror , but she's not joined the terror, but she's not the person that i think the

people think she is. is she potential re going to use this bbc documentary as a way of getting into britain. yes she and she wants to return to the uk quite clearly enjoy i would imagine the benefits that are available to any british literally the benefits is because there was no employer. yeah. deliberate use of that word my eyesight and of course are many many people that simply don't want to see that happen. yes she lost three children, but she those children were fathered by a terrorist . she was a member by a terrorist. she was a member of a terrorist . the quite simply of a terrorist. the quite simply would like to wipe you, me and your viewers and listeners off the face of the earth. yeah. so sympathy runs very thin for amongst many, many people . i amongst many, many people. i personally am pleased that she has had her citizenship revoked and i think it might a very long time before anybody considers reinstating that . yeah. and just reinstating that. yeah. and just when it comes to the bbc have in the past been accused of doing various things and bbc quotes, bias is something that is at

them on numerous occasions as potentially this take the absolute biscuit. if they are trying to rehabilitate the image of someone who was an isis bride may or may not have been involved in some rather fruity things for the caliphate. when i need to make it perfectly clear that i myself have had a bbc podcast about hunt for podcast about my hunt for a fugitive . so i know the process fugitive. so i know the process has to be gone through to get one commissioned yet. however i'm not shamima begum by any stretch the imagination, i never joined a terrorist organisation and did. yeah, so these are policies apart in that regard . policies apart in that regard. as i say, i think sympathy runs thin. the bbc to commission this to give her a voice is that appropriate i think the audience will decide . yeah and i think will decide. yeah and i think it's pretty clear that in a lot of people's opinions anyway she would always be a threat, she would always be a threat, she would always be more of a threat than someone who i don't know, maybe it never joined than someone who i don't know, maybe it neverjoined isis, but gb news has contacted the bbc about this series. spokesperson replied, stating this is not a

platform for shamima begum to give unchallenged story . give her unchallenged story. this is a robust public interest investigation in which josh baker has forensically examined . she really is. and what she really did. we'd also encourage people to listen to the podcast and make up their own mind. and by the way. i think that is absolutely fair enough. of course, that is we have to wait and listen to. absolutely it is just a question whether or just a question of whether or not realistic she should not realistic believe she should even touched . and say even be touched. and i'd say that full degree of irony, that with full degree of irony, given that we talk with bacon quite a lot, though i dare say we in a slightly different we do it in a slightly different way the bbc may do it. way to what the bbc may do it. peter, you. i believe not peter, thank you. i believe not want back in the game mark want you back in the game mark just kind of in to what we're talking about really easy talking about there really easy so much not away have so very much not going away have they? and indeed might be launching fresh threats to this country yes. mean, many country? yes. i mean, many people could be forgiven for thinking threat . isis has thinking the threat. isis has pretty much disappeared and it hasn't really there been degraded after years of coalition attacks in syria and

iraq . they're scattered around iraq. they're scattered around syria and iraq. they're not the they where they've gone to other countries, but they are in terms of their ability to reach and influence others , carry out influence others, carry out attacks . they are still a force attacks. they are still a force and they have urged we've seen a video urging their followers to carry out fresh attacks in the west. now we're not sure in that video we won't go into any real detail about exactly what it shows, except to say that it talks about the need to take up arms and to carry out fresh attacks . it shows pictures in attacks. it shows pictures in particular of london with the words in english coming soon. so clearly there is concern any time. and peter will know this as well as , anyone, any time. as well as, anyone, any time. the propagandists at isis or al—qaeda whichever extremist group reaches out and urges its followers to do things like

this, the people that will take up that particular gauntlet go off and do that thing. now, we should see this is not something you can go and watch on youtube. it's on an encrypted messaging that extremists use, but clearly they've access to it. and that's a concern. got access to it. and isuppose a concern. got access to it. and i suppose whichever way we set up it is a call to arms a way. peter i know this is just kind been learned along it really but you must have some experience this field. how concerned should the british public i hope the british public be? i hope people this in the right people take this in the right way. it does feel like he's been quite since had quite a while since we've had a terror in this country, terror attack in this country, which me bit nervous. it which makes me a bit nervous. it does we need to does indeed. we need to be concerned and counter police and security be security services will be responding. issue a note responding. i'd to issue a note of caution if i may, please, to your and your listeners. your viewers and your listeners. do allow do not allow your inquisitiveness to the inquisitiveness to get the better of do not go better of you. do not go searching for video because what you will do is generate more traffic and make it more

difficult for the security services and counter—terrorism to monitor the traffic . and to monitor the traffic. and through that monitoring, often that enables them to identify somebody an ip address . if it's somebody an ip address. if it's gone through a virtual private which may lead them to somebody who could be influenced . so who could be influenced. so please, you don't need to watch it. it's not that relevant or enlightening . just avoid it, enlightening. just avoid it, please. oh, well, there you go. well i suppose i'll not know. maybe we should stop talking it, however. thank you very much. both of you, faith. it both of you, on this faith. it is faith of legacy. the former top cop on, course, our very top cop on, of course, our very own matt weiss, homeland own matt weiss, our homeland security are with me security editor. you are with me patrick on gb news patrick christys on gb news coming we haven't heard coming up, we haven't heard enough harry already enough from prince harry already . on the late show . now pumped up on the late show in suggesting that in the states suggesting that media suggested he media reform, which suggested he boasted taliban fighters boasted about taliban fighters as serving as a soldier in his new book of every dangerous. so his spare , is now his memoir, spare, is now officially uk's fastest officially the uk's fastest selling non—fiction book. i'll be in a lots of other .

okay. welcome back, everybody . okay. welcome back, everybody. another day and more from prince, who's royally out of favour . no prince, who's royally out of favour. no book and numerous interviews was enough. prince harry is now pumped up on the late show in the us as he denied boasting about killing 25 taliban while serving as a and claimed that members of his family were in an active campaign to undermine in his book his he told stephen colbert in the late show last night when he was questioned over including his kill in his memoirs. i made a choice to share it because having spent nearly two decades working with veterans all around the world, i think the most important thing is, to be honest , be able to give space to others, to be able to share their experiences without shame. and goal , my their experiences without shame. and goal, my attempt and my whole goal, my attempt with sharing that detail is to

reduce the number of suicides i. okay. i mean, if that true whilst is misguided , then, you whilst is misguided, then, you know, fair enough or i but i don't really see how we can justify this. surely puts everyone at more this enrage the taliban i mean that is a thing that's happened him saying has enraged the taliban and therefore none of us are safe rory but with me now has come a. walker gb news is royal . karl, walker gb news is royal. karl, what do you make of . well, what do you make of. well, prince harry's argument was he was, you needed to read the entire context rather than just taking out the 25 figure. of course, we'd seen a leak that's prince harry claimed to have killed 25 taliban fighters dunng killed 25 taliban fighters during his second tour of afghanistan . now, i've read afghanistan. now, i've read almost the entire book, but i've definitely read the entire section where he is in afghanistan . and he does say he afghanistan. and he does say he does make the argument that taking taliban saves british lives and spares british families taking him meant fewer young men and women, rats ,

young men and women, rats, mummies and ships home on beds, which is a fair point. i think perhaps people would say. and ten years ago, following his tour, ten years ago, following his tour , afghanistan, he did do an tour, afghanistan, he did do an interview with journalist where he said he had killed. but the difference is he didn't put a number on it. and i think number part is what's ex—service personnel are particular concerned about and they have expressed concern of lost week or say when that leak came out. but also his what also struck me from that interview clip is the fact he said he put a number it and he talks about the number of taliban fighters he killed to stop whatever is yet stop suicide regimes few veterans taking their own lives which is not included in this book and he said it to my knowledge in any interview it's almost like gossip pr stunt and some would argue, some might argue hiding behind veterans suicide is a way

to try to smooth over the fact that he's dropped a bit of a clanger here. but of course, we would have to wait and see. he is also said, though, that he thinks that people have been trying to undermine is the trying to undermine mine. is the government doing a particularly good it's the good job because it's the fastest of non—fiction fastest selling of non—fiction in has in uk history? yes, he has indeed. over 400,000 copies indeed. yet over 400,000 copies sold on the first date. that is like physical books, e—books and audio books . the like physical books, e—books and audio books. the publisher claims it is the highest, i believe, since harry potter series came out, which is, of course, another harry, but that is fiction rather than non—fiction. so i'm not quite sure how two can tally sure how the two can tally alongside like loathe alongside each, but like loathe prince harry clearly this book is selling incredibly well is going to be making an lot of money. prince harry that's to pay money. prince harry that's to pay for his own security and action . the us and many people action. the us and many people would say he certainly needs it. but i mean prince harry like whether he likes it or not, is the prince of the realm? despite stepping back as a senior working member, he is always going to be in the public eye. he's still on the front this

morning. i the challenge for him now this now is getting out of this victim mindset and actually moving story on to perhaps moving the story on to perhaps his charity work or work he wants to talk about rather than talking about his of being a working member of the royal family up. so karen walker, thank you very very much. with me now is former royal butler grant. harold grant, great to have you on the show, i believe. yes, there is a so a few of you taken it's time to read the fastest work of non—fiction in the uk history. i've been a little bit too busy unfortunately to pick up any books at the moment and i'm also of you . it's not the best thing. of you. it's not the best thing. i don't think royals should be doing these kind of books interviews as you know, my views on this i always start in the very much and always said i can see the two sides of the argument but look at how this has become an ongoing story because know not only what's in the book, he's now coming out as

quite quite rightly just pointed to almost like a pr kind stunt, going to back something . and going to back something. and thatis going to back something. and that is it's becoming really massive . brock family are both massive. brock family are both supporting supporting and promoting around voices and not giving these kind of numbers. and lastly , my i have family and lastly, my i have family members that also have fought and was and digital packs that they would never discuss anything that took place during those years . and that's kind of those years. and that's kind of how i think a lot of people feel about it . nate how i think a lot of people feel about it. nate and harry said very things like the ball's in their core it seems to me to be increasingly arrogant actually and quite angry and very when it comes to these interviews. clearly he's put walls up around himself. he believes he's completely right and justified in everything he has alluded . in everything he has alluded. the fact that the royals do read the press, everything. good morning. have the bridges , in morning. have the bridges, in your been completely your opinion, been completely and now on one part? yes and utterly now on one part? yes from the public point of view, i think have from the private

point of view, because i as you know, patrick, i went to the family for many years, i saw how close to where i don't think that can just disappear. i think the love a parent and the children there, i think that is something that will, despite all this, will continue how it's going to develop . your guess is going to develop. your guess is as good as mine i just feel. i just feel sorry . everybody just feel sorry. everybody involved. this just shouldn't in my mind that should never have got this. and can i just also add, this isn't it? sure. the king and companies have not made any comments or statements, which think that really it which i think that really it doesn't and think doesn't surprise. and i think it's really because. it's really wise because. they're to add fuel they're not going to add fuel to the fire. you're we sit the fire. you're quite we sit and listen to what's said and listen to what's been said and listen to what's been said and nothing now indeed just and say nothing now indeed just very quickly very finally grant you worked with harry a lot when he was younger. what would you say to him if you walk past him in the street? i think i don't know. i think i'll just say it to you. you know, if you don't do this don't do this to your

family, this other ways, if you have got concern and things, what any of which i do , you what any of which i do, you know, that's fine. but don't do it the way he's doing it. the other is to do it and certainly don't make money. it's my advice. okay, lovely . look, advice. okay, lovely. look, thank you very, very much. but i will. that former royal. thank you butler. i'm sorry , guy. you you butler. i'm sorry, guy. you might have seen me looking a little bit inquisitive because. some of these just dropped right in front of me. now we've had one bit of breaking news earlier one bit of breaking news earlier on about isis on which was about isis releasing which was asking releasing video which was asking people to target london. apparently, some apparently, we've got some more now, less sinister, now, slightly less sinister, perhaps is that royal mail is experiencing severe service disruption. international disruption. so is international export disruption. so is international exporiincident company has cyber incident the company has announced in statement it announced in statement that it was temporarily unable to dispatch , including dispatch export, including letters parcels to overseas destinations . as the company destinations. as the company said , we have asked customers said, we have asked customers temporarily to stop submitting any export items into the network while . we work hard to network while. we work hard to resolve issue. does anybody else think is all a little bit weird

what we're seeing at the moment? we've got this, of course, in the royal mail the moment unable to apparently dispatch export items, letters parcels items, including letters parcels overseas. this the break in line at the moment they've got cyber issue i am currently just off screen i've got a monitor of an airport in america . it's airport in america. it's riveting stuff. this airport . so riveting stuff. this airport. so planes are not taking off because of a cyber issue over there as well all a little bit strange, if ask me anyway i've got time for a few emails lots. you have been getting in touch with thoughts on workers with your thoughts on workers striking. that was at the top of the says striking. that was at the top of tithink says striking. that was at the top of tithink ambulance says striking. that was at the top of tithink ambulance staff says striking. that was at the top of tithink ambulance staff need says striking. that was at the top of tithink ambulance staff need to ays i think ambulance staff need to be on an eight hour shift pattern rather 12 hours. those hours tiresome and don't hours are tiresome and you don't get rest it's out get proper rest time. it's out of needs amending. no one of date needs amending. no one did. are striking. he did. they are striking. he appears favour of the appears to be favour of the strikes. not for strikes. look, i am not for a single second to say being single second to say that being a paramedic i am not a paramedic is easy. i am not saying anyone. you don't see pred saying anyone. you don't see ripped paramedics, do you see paramedics in paramedics driving around in ferrari's? all of ferrari's? i get all of that stuff it comes to that stuff but it comes down to that moral well, if you and it moral issue. well, if you and it appears they're budging. we appears they're not budging. we just representatives of

just spoke to representatives of gmb union earlier said they gmb union earlier he said they budging currently stood budging as it currently stood pretty having pretty anyway on having something over inflation says a pay something over inflation says a pay rise. well if people have to die so that your workers can express a completely unrealistic pay express a completely unrealistic pay demand and, i'm not sure that's right. roy says no one should asking a pay rise should be asking for a pay rise at present time, still at the present time, we still need tightening our belts need to be tightening our belts in to get the country back in order to get the country back on its feet. i think the truth somewhere in between those two comments isn't see, i think. most can agree that most people can agree that potentially little potentially they need a little bit pay rise, but not that bit of a pay rise, but not that amount. i was angered, though, earlier on we had paramedic on earlier on we had a paramedic on he in his life before he said never in his life before as have about how much as have to think about how much heating uses his house get heating he uses in his house get in the real world. you cannot on strike over that. you're with me when i come loads more come. when i come up loads more come. we're the picket line we're on the picket line speaking to union we're speaking to union members. we're speaking to union members. we're speaking we're speaking to politicians. we're speaking about shamima begum as well. of course, well. we're also, of course, speaking ongoing speaking about the ongoing breaking about isis breaking news about isis apparently people to apparently urging people to target london jane , hello . i'm target london jane, hello. i'm aidan mcgivern from the met office that will be some bright

or spells today, especially in the east of the uk. but more rain on the way for many in the form of showers or longer spells of mostly affecting western. we've got this strong westerly at the moment, the strongest winds that we saw across the north of scotland overnight are easing the ice off hours, opening out a little, but it stays blustery. the uk through the day and that wind will bring in further heavy showers hail a possibility and some of the showers merging to form longer spells rain especially for parts of wales in the southwest and then into central england by the end of afternoon parts of end of the afternoon parts of any brighter spells will be towards but even here towards the east. but even here there'll be showers and there'll be some showers and temperatures back to run average eight or nine generally across england, wales five or six or seven for scotland and northern ireland into the evening, the rain ramps up again and the wind wales in the southwest and tequila and around southwest and shores coastal gales at 60 mile per hour wind gusts come and

clear a night for northern scotland, where a frost will form minus of minus four in some sheltered glens and a bright start for northern. some showers in the far north here . but in the far north here. but elsewhere a lot of cloud and further outbreaks of rain for northern ireland as well as western through the morning and wales in the southwest. concerns here because of the large amounts of rain falling on saturate the ground, especially for brecon beacons and exmoor. now the rain will move through, followed by showers. it's a mild but to blustery day in the south. temperatures closer to average. further north and the rain as it pushes central scotland will fall to snow above 400 metres, perhaps affecting some higher routes. so it's cold for parts of scotland and increasingly so heading into thursday nights of further south. but all areas turning colder into the weekend with further heavy showers but also some sunny spells this year on gb news we've got brand new members of the family join us

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channel welcome back, everybody . me welcome back, everybody. me patrick christys on gb news. coming up this hour, this afternoon, prime minister rishi sunak's, his largest nation to introduce minimum service for key services during strikes sure to be controversial. this comes

as up to 25,000 ambulance workers across england wales have gone on strike in a dispute . the government over pay and conditions as unison head of health claims anti strike legislation inflame industrial relations and talk of minimum nhs staffing levels is being used to demonise health workers. my used to demonise health workers. my big issue with this is it actually workable if you say you're going to stop people if they on strike and then they they go on strike and then they all go on strike and can we just sack paramedics? i'm not sack 25,000 paramedics? i'm not sure. anyway should emergency services allowed to services be allowed out to withdraw their labour? vaiews@gbnews.uk secondly, big one for you has been flying in inboxes and i'm not surprised . inboxes and i'm not surprised. is shamima begum right to blame british the public's british media for the public's attitude towards that or is it a fact that she went abroad to become an isis bride, gave birth to a load of isis babies allegedly, sewed people into suicide vest in series of interviews for the podcast , interviews for the bbc podcast, the so—called bride claims the so—called isis bride claims when people think of isis , they when people think of isis, they think of her because of the media and she's insisted that

she's not a bad person. okay i want you to know i want to take you to tell me, should the media actually be giving her a platform at. and is prince harry on a mission to find sympathy from anyone who will still listen to his endless allegations ? the royal family allegations? the royal family speaking late show in the speaking on the late show in the states last night. the duke sussex suggested reports sussex suggested media reports claiming that boasted about claiming that he boasted about killing soldiers while killing a taliban soldiers while serving soldier in his new serving as a soldier in his new book are very very dangerous. his memoir, spare is now officially the uk's fastest selling non—fiction book, get in touch. selling non—fiction book, get in touch . vaiews@gbnews.uk but now touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk but now i see those headlines . patrick, i see those headlines. patrick, thank you and good afternoon to nhs waiting times and strikes dominated first pmqs of the year , with the labour party claiming the government has gone from clapping the nurses to sacking the nurses . the prime minister the nurses. the prime minister quizzed the opposition leader on why he wasn't supporting government's minimum safety

legislation during industrial action . but sir keir starmer action. but sir keir starmer responded , saying if rishi sunak responded, saying if rishi sunak could negotiate it with nhs workers, they wouldn't be on strike, accusing him of choosing to prolong misery . that comes as to prolong misery. that comes as up to 25,000 ambulance workers are across england and wales, striking today over pay . mr. striking today over pay. mr. sunak says minimum levels for key services shouldn't be controversial . right now people controversial. right now people not knowing whether when they call 999 they will get the treatment that they need . and treatment that they need. and mr. speaker , enough in austria mr. speaker, enough in austria and here in australia and canada and here in australia and canada and the us, they ban strikes , and the us, they ban strikes, blue light services. we're not doing that. all we're saying is in these emergency service says patients should be able to rely on a basic level of life saving care . why is he against that? care. why is he against that? mr. speaker . well, the labour mr. speaker. well, the labour leader, sir keir starmer, responds to the prime minister

and said his his narrative is promising that people will get to see a in a few days like they take on labour. he's not promising that cancer patients will get urgent treatment as i did under labour. he's not even promising an nhs that puts first like it did underlay by. no, he's promising the one day. although we can't say when the record high waiting list will stop growing . i see. after 13 stop growing. i see. after 13 years in government, what does it say? but the best they can offer is that at some point they might stop making things worse . might stop making things worse. meanwhile conservative mp andrew bridgen has had the whip removed following his criticism of the covid vaccine after he shared a tweet it to the holocaust. the chief whip, simon hart, said mr. bridgen had crossed a line, causing great in the process. he said misinformation about the vaccine harm and costs lives. the prime minister said comments

were utterly unacceptable . i were utterly unacceptable. i join with my right friend and completely condemn those types of comments that we saw this morning in the stronger, strongest terms obviously. it is unacceptable to linkages and use language like that and i'm determined that the scourge anti—semitism is eradicated it has absolutely no place in our society. and i know that the previous few years have been challenging for the jewish community. and i never them to experience anything like that ever again . meanwhile, the prime ever again. meanwhile, the prime minister and his japanese counterpart have been signing a major defence agreement, but in a ceremony at the tower of london the treaty allows the uk and japan to deploy forces into other's countries. it makes the uk the first european country to have mutual access with japan. it's all part of a foreign policy tilt towards the indo—pacific , against a growing indo—pacific, against a growing threat , indo—pacific, against a growing threat, china. the government is calling it the most significant defence agreement ? london and defence agreement? london and tokyo. in more a century ? the

tokyo. in more a century? the mail says it is experiencing a disruption to its international export services after a cyber incident. the company that unable to send letters parcels overseas, they added it could cause issues for items already shipped for export. asking customers to temporarily stop items to send while , they work items to send while, they work to resolve the issue issue . a to resolve the issue issue. a fatal accident inquiry has found a number of defects in the running of a luxury hotel contributed a deadly fire. the cameron house hotel in western caught fire in december 17 after a night, porter left a bag of ashes in cupboard. simon mclay , ashes in cupboard. simon mclay, his partner, richard dyson, both in the blaze. the inquiry precautions could have stopped the fire from breaking out and has called for other hotels to have up to date fire procedures in place. flights the united states are beginning resume after a mass computer forced

aircraft to be temporarily grounded. over 4000 flights were delayed and more than 600 were cancelled due to the failure . cancelled due to the failure. the federal aviation administration says its system, which alerts pilots about essential information at, was not updating . the white house not updating. the white house has said there's no evidence of a cyber with president joe biden ordering an investigation. nonetheless see you with gb news smoothness as it happens. now back to patrick christys . back to patrick christys. yes. welcome back, everybody. patrick christys here on gb news. we've got loads coming your way. of course, throughout the course of this hour. we're going to start with the health worker strikes because it's emerged that health unions will not submitting evidence to the nhs pay review body for next

round of wage . that's why the round of wage. that's why the current industrial remain unresolved. so more than 20,000 paramedics and ambulance support staff have walked out today in their second strike this winter. patients have been told to expect waits for 999 calls as well as major delays ambulances. in fact, by the way, some people in wales were told not to go on long jogs because it might increase risk of an increase their risk of an ambulance anyway. it's all part of a dispute pay and of a dispute over pay and conditions. gmb union unison conditions. the gmb union unison side of the union want a new pay deal for workers with a rise over and above inflation. speaking earlier today, the health and social care secretary steve barclay said the strikes were an unnecessary disruption at a time when . the nhs is under at a time when. the nhs is under pressure but paramedic vimal mistry got a lot of this. by the way, disagree ease and explain to a picket line in nottingham that never in his life before has he had to think about much heating he puts on around his house. i start crying when i listen to this in terms of staff morale. millions of people are seeing all this. they're just

getting down and with getting run down and with pressures of interest rates going up, people and fuel costs, people just can't afford the things that they could do before . i'm now having to think about how much heating i've gotten to now. so now for 2 hours now, fuel costs some consider that i thought paramedics isn't the worst but it's certainly not the best and i didn't think be in a position where i'd be thinking about how much heating i'm going to have on and in terms of pay increase gone up in slight increments but we've got to think about everything else going up as well. think about everything else going up as well . sorry, i never going up as well. sorry, i never before have had to think about how much heating i have on. and you're going on and you have a job involves having to save people's lives all. you joking anyway ? and the next hour i will

anyway? and the next hour i will be live to a striking worker as they continue to turn up at picket lines across the country. but gb news is national reports the theo chikomba is at one of those gatherings in london, waterloo ambulance station. they have everyone there, of course, massively concerned about how much heating they're allowed to on this winter. what's going on, where you are i can see a fire. yeah, the fire is still going . yeah, the fire is still going. put it on a couple of hours ago and they're going to be having it on the late hours of this around 5:00 in an hour or so . around 5:00 in an hour or so. the people who take calls in the ambulance service will be joining them here on the picket line over . the last few weeks line over. the last few weeks we've heard about critical incidents at the hospital as we've heard about business continuity incidents, declared an ambulance across different parts of the country. now, unlike rcn, the royal college of nursing they haven't got a general consent as of how they going to be operating . but going to be operating. but instead it's been left to

individual trust to ensure that there are staff, to ensure that they can meet those category one response calls, which you've heard and we spoke to some those here on the picket line today, and they're this is all about pay and they're this is all about pay and conditions as well. one member of staff who joined when the pandemic started just a few years ago was saying conditions then were better than they are now . people are leaving as well, now. people are leaving as well, particularly with things getting more the cost of more expensive. the cost of living going up and we spoke to you paramedic who's saying you and paramedic who's saying i've been in the service for so many years and i've never seen it like before. so they are going to here today for and potentially on the 23rd, if there is a solution during that time period. but of course are still going to be here. i'm heanng still going to be here. i'm hearing from those who are on the front line here on the picket line. yes. okay. thank you much. and i am assured you very much. and i am assured we will be speaking to somebody who's striking a bit who's as well striking a bit later on theo chikomba that gb news is national reporter the government introducinga news is national reporter the government introducing a new government is introducing a new bill aimed at enforcing minimum

service levels for key parts of the sector. it's designed the public sector. it's designed to staffing in the nhs, to ensure staffing in the nhs, education and, fire and rescue sectors don't fall a level that could endanger public. so if it goes through the commons it could lead to unions being if they enact strike action which essential staffing to below the required level so prime minister's questions today the, prime minister rishi sunak defended his of minimum safety. mr. speaker. he talks about the minimum safety legislation . minimum safety legislation. let's just talk about it a little bit further because this is a simple proposition that no one no one denies. the unions freedom to strike. but it is also important to balance that with people's right, have also important to balance that with people's right , have access with people's right, have access to life saving at the same time . mr. speaker, this this shouldn't be controversial okay. yeah i mean, i can see that that it shouldn't controversial. i think that if people work the pubuc think that if people work the public service in the public sector , the public should be sector, the public should be protected from them deciding to

go on strike a mass sense other people would disagree with me. services policy industrial and trade rob williams i trade unions. rob williams i suspect one of people. suspect one of those people. rob, thank you much. to be honest, my main concern about this that i just it this is that i just think it might just be uninformed possible. let's just say possible. i mean, let's just say that paramedic in the that single paramedic in the country strike. we can't country went on strike. we can't sack all. come, we well , sack them all. come, we well, one actually. it's the other way, isn't it? we got enough. i mean, was on a picket mean, i was on a picket line earlier that islington and earlier that in islington and i tell you what, you don't need minimum service on strike days. we need minimum service every day. that's the problem. and today. but let me just say that when we went on the picket line and there were workers that day of talked to and made of they talked to and made allowances for that are all emergency calls. so those workers are doing a listen this is yet more restrictive anti democratic anti—union legislation by a government represents the bosses and but is attacking duty of workers . yeah

attacking duty of workers. yeah this is talking about that might be a bit undemocratic rob to be fair some might argue that when it came to the ballots taking , it came to the ballots taking, when it came especially to nurses and when it comes to , nurses and when it comes to, ambulance workers as well , that ambulance workers as well, that they were well , quite fixed, they were well, quite fixed, really, if they'd have it as a national ballot, then they probably wouldn't have had the numbers. in fact almost definitely wouldn't have had the numbers get the 50% threshold numbers to get the 50% threshold to strike. so they did it to go on strike. so they did it trust by trust. and if you really break that down, actually, and people die as result, undemocratic result, it's pretty undemocratic it. patrick patrick how you can say that with a straight is unbelievable we have the most undemocratic anti—union laws in this country in western there wouldn't be a councillor elected in britain if they to comply with the rules governing unionism and as far as people die in unfortunate leigh the scandal and the charge here is because of the catastrophe that is the nhs under the tories people are being put at risk. in

any case that's one of the reasons as well as pay the workers affected but i tell you what the tories are doing they are making it absolutely clear to working class people that the law is for the rich and not for workers. last 800 workers were sacked by you. i'm sure you remember it . some of them were remember it. some of them were out they all the on the boss of pr north when two employees admitted to what he did was illegal . i mean these three now illegal. i mean these three now i think even for europe look rob even for you this has got to be some of record. we're probably a minute and a half in and you've already started talking about the struggle of the working class workers of the world, you know, unevenness to rope in pay, you know, very good as a way to talk about anvil in strikes. and ihave talk about anvil in strikes. and i have made the point which is actually the ballots are there to make sure that these strikes are legal were some would argue are legal were some would argue a little bit rigged, weren't

they? and your response to that is, well, actually, that's right, because everything's a bit rigged. no, no. what i'm saying is that the anti—union are rigged. rigged against workers. well, workers for the pubuc. workers. well, workers for the public . look, workers. well, workers for the public. look, but workers. well, workers for the public . look, but what you've public. look, but what you've got, you're we did some work as a give an example to workers who work for 82,000 of them at a strike pilot that a 97% majority in favour of strike but because there were eight votes short of a 50% turnout, they couldn't take strike action. good. that's fair. but if they saw a group 90, fair. but if they saw a group go, oh, come on, just don't you don't understand about this. anyone is now go. well, if there was that much of an issue of their pay and conditions, it would it be a struggle to get more 50% of people to vote more than 50% of people to vote for it. what it in in me was a ringing endorsement that pay and working conditions but. ringing endorsement that pay and working conditions but . let ringing endorsement that pay and working conditions but. let me make this point i when you have the local elections in may you

will not have councillor council election with the turnout over 30% probably we had attempts elected last year with turnouts barely 30. but i tell what, rob, but that's a false argument because if the local elections was singularly based on an issue who you vote for here now decides how much money you get into your bank account every month and what conditions there are, then you would get now over 30. but that's not the issue . 30. but that's not the issue. actually, a lot of people don't care which person that been out every week, but the that's what elections are. what i'm saying is, is the trade unions are the only institution in society. what a simple majority no longer no is no longer sufficient . look no is no longer sufficient. look these these strike ballots were absolutely democratic. those workers are taking their democratic base . but this tory democratic base. but this tory government , which is democratic base. but this tory government, which is armouring workers , is giving those workers, is giving those ambulance drivers a 10% pay cut. it's not interest in democracy

is not interested in workers rights. i tell you what they make, making a big mistake, because workers, i think that we are heading towards in britain what we desperately need is workers strike together against us altogether . and this is this us altogether. and this is this is what you really want isn't it? which is a mass strike to bnng it? which is a mass strike to bring this country to its being a pay bring this country to its being a pay raise . and i don't want a pay raise. and i don't want anti—democratic trade laws. okay what about the people who are now . well, the public i mean, now. well, the public i mean, the argument be don't work in the argument be don't work in the public sector. i mean, you just get another job. well where do you get where do you get that other job protecting ? do they other job protecting? do they come to work for gb newsroom you or something? you can apply for another job. or something? you can apply for anotherjob. so are you going to it? interesting about this is interesting. rob are really that condescending towards people who work on trains eton that's the only job they can get well at the moment all workers at the moment are struggling to keep their head above water, aren't they? even you must recognise

your every time you're on here there's a strike going on some way or another. there's still strikes on in scotland today. there's ambulance workers taking action. and we've had royal mail and train strikes those workers are taking strike action because inflation is at 14% interest rates are going and then we have the tories are moving but why do want one but why aren't you campaigning simultaneously for us to stop sending to money ukraine for us to stop spending 7 million quid a day put in channel margaret hotels maybe we'd have more money to give you a pay we'd have more money to give you a pay rise then. but are you about workers? we're about public workers? we're not to for divide and rule to fall for the divide and rule tactics. is about the tory tactics. this is about the tory government represents the rich and powerful they are making and powerful and they are making that day of the week that clear every day of the week and qc keir starmer, representing london say is going to change his . representing london say is going to change his. he will representing london say is going to change his . he will probably to change his. he will probably and of course i don't i don't agree that then i think you should put himself on the side of workers. unfortunately that isn't the case. that's why i think workers need an

alternative to that they certainly do the tories now . certainly do the tories now. rob, thank you very much. and i say i do enjoy the back and forth and i hope my hands up. some reason i don't really know why i am especially grumpy today. rob so apologies for that. rob williams who is just socialist industrial socialist party industrial organiser you i think organiser and you know i think i'm enough for i'm just standing enough for these i've these strikes. i think i've just enough strikes . oh, enough of these strikes. oh, good. more from angry health unions and more angry unions, this time on the railway crisis this time on the railway crisis this morning. rmt and csa bosses appeared in front of the transport committee to give an update on the ongoing dispute the unions and the employers. but it's not looking good. as hours left , william. why they hours left, william. why they will call mick so that they were further from a resolution than when they started the negotiations. i rmt boss mick lynch accused the government of attempting to lower the wages of working people the demands that have been made us are very difficult for us to accommodate and ultimately feel those demands and the inflation rate

means that our members work is undervalued by amounts, but that is a deliberate policy of the government in, this country at the time to lower wages. working people right across the spectrum , especially where they have an influence to make poorer than they used to be and think that's a direct result of government policy. i just for a day when the strikes over let's not get the strikes over let's not get the latest westminster with our political adviser darren darren good stuff what's the latest when it comes to the rail strikes . well as you rightly strikes. well as you rightly said in the introduction the patrick we're not anywhere to a resolution. it seems with further talks today . those rail further talks today. those rail union bosses in parliament speaking to employees , one of speaking to employees, one of them was asked on a scale of 1 to 10, how close do you think there are to an agreement? he said, well, can i include zero? that's how far they think they are away? so i don't think we are away? so i don't think we

are in many ways very close now unions continue to say pay is really, really important to them that all they want to do is get is a decent wage that is trying to keep up with the rate of inflation that frankly in real terms wages are going down and they also say they're concerned about changes to the railway, whether it's fewer ticketing offices officers on the offices, fewer officers on the trains themselves reckon will compromise safety and serve. it's not from the from the government's point of view. they turn around and say they are willing to negotiate on pay and they have put forward a pretty decent offer in terms of what's been put forward by the independent pay bodies . and in independent pay bodies. and in addition that, that the addition to that, that the railways change railways to change frankly repeatedly , they say that fewer repeatedly, they say that fewer or fewer people are vying actual physical tickets ticket physical tickets at ticket offices there's for offices. there's no need for them in the same numbers in the past. also , automation is past. and also, automation is just the future that's just how it is at the moment. patrick yes, there is stalemate and it is not just of course in the railways. you've been talking about paramedics nurses, about paramedics and nurses, it is entirely we could see junior

doctors go out and strike in the weeks months to come. weeks and months to come. teachers well joining teachers as well joining everyone from royal mail workers to bus drivers and could see in reaction to that law . you talk reaction to that law. you talk about the minimum service law that could go through that. this coordination of strikes could increase weeks and months increase in the weeks and months to indeed down to come. yes, indeed down something a little bit different thatis something a little bit different that is relating to andrew bridge spoke about it earlier on. he well, i mean, he made a holocaust . didn't say i suppose holocaust. didn't say i suppose it let's be honest, there's just never any for that. he said never any need for that. he said whip that right. whip removed. is that right. yeah, he has. so first of all, i have to say, patrick, you suspended from the commons for five days this week anyway , i five days this week anyway, i haven't got caught up in a lobbying scandal a couple of months ago , but now he's had the months ago, but now he's had the whip withdrawn . he's no longer whip withdrawn. he's no longer a conservative mp when he comes back, sit as an back, he'll sit as an independent. that? well, independent. why that? well, he's part of campaign he's been part of a campaign over recent around ins, over recent months around ins, vaccines, the covid vaccines and the very , very small number of the very, very small number of cases that resulted in

complications. and in certain , complications. and in certain, unfortunately , people are dying unfortunately, people are dying . now, on the whole, he would argue he's a democratic election politician. he is rightly raising, he would say, issues though always important. however he has ratcheted up the rhetoric there, no doubt in the last couple of days, weeks to the point today where he essentially made the comparison between the covid vaccines and the holocaust , not for the conservative party and i'd say for universally all his colleagues. that was a step way to fall. the whip was removed pretty quickly by chief whip, who said that that comparison should never be made that he must apologise , and that that he must apologise, and that the government is frankly very, very of the vaccine rollout and the number of lives it has saved . so in the end, and originally no longer in the conservative party , many would like to see party, many would like to see him apologise far. he has not done so and frankly, unless he does so and even he does, i think at the moment it's not very likely indeed that be

returning to those backbenches as a conservative anytime . as a conservative anytime. darren thank you very much. darren thank you very much. darren mccaffrey, our political from an increasingly wet west by the looks of things now moving on shamima has stated that she is so much more than isis in a bbc featuring her story, the 23 year old isis bride is , the year old isis bride is, the subject of the second series of the bbc's not a monster podcast where she insisted she is not a person. surely i'll be asking whether or not she should have even been given a platform to share her story. why on earth do we have to? shamima begum tell us what a nice person she is and inevitably use that interview as a getting back the a way of getting back into the uk, you differently to me, uk, maybe you differently to me, maybe that we have a maybe you think that we have a responsible look after baga. responsible to look after baga. maybe our maybe you think she's our problem you think she just problem maybe you think she just a child when she went over that get your thoughts in lots of get your thoughts in but lots of youindeed get your thoughts in but lots of you indeed how dare the bbc you indeed have how dare the bbc spend taxpayer give spend taxpayer money to give a terrorist a platform? strong stuff ever gets to stuff if she ever gets back to the uk, open the the uk, we'll open the floodgates for many others and

that concern i would have. that is a concern i would have. bnan that is a concern i would have. brian very which brian thank you very much which is this sets is that would this sets a precedent i do hate to break this to you unfortunately but we have previous only allowed in a lot of returning isis a higher proportion indeed of year anyway than saudi arabia really is saying something francis says podcast will give her a voice as she tries to rehabilitate a reputation. that's francis in my view. she's a terrorist. full stop , kate says. i'm sick to stop, kate says. i'm sick to death of . people making excuses death of. people making excuses for shamima begum . she wasn't for shamima begum. she wasn't responsible. podcast do responsible. this podcast do more harm than good. i can't just say i can't help but wonder whether or not this is symptomatic of almost where we are a society now, are as a society right now, which seems to which is that nothing, seems to be fault ever does it. be anyone's fault ever does it. we just chap on there is we just had a chap on there is from a paramedics and he's from a paramedics unit and he's saying never in life saying he's never in his life ever to about how much ever not to think about how much heating he has on around his house. why on earth would it be within powers budget? within his powers to budget? i mean, couldn't possibly that mean, he couldn't possibly that shamima she was just a 15 shamima begum she was just a 15 year child when she went to year old child when she went to join a jihadi cult join a radical jihadi death cult in and married

in the middle east and married isis fighter and all this. i mean, she not any mean, can she not any responsibility says responsibility paul says although podcast although not podcast related i think should her return think they should let her return a bit of balance paul here a bit of balance from paul here it would do this nation it not it would do this nation in war must feed enemy well in war you must feed enemy well and don't suffer . and you don't make them suffer. yeah, okay. all right, fair enough. yeah, okay. all right, fair enough . that basically we enough. say that basically we should witness to the only should be a witness to the only concern i would have with that, paulis concern i would have with that, paul, is that we just broke story air about half an story live on air about half an hour which is that hour ago, which is that apparently today apparently isis of today released urging people released a video urging people to swings and to attack. so swings and roundabouts, suppose, roundabouts, i suppose, paul, you'll patrick christys you'll see me patrick christys on news. coming up more on gb news. i'm coming up more whether not the so—called whether or not the so—called isis be given platform isis bride be given a platform to story in a new to share her story in a new podcast. i'll in podcast. i'll be back in a moment moment.

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thoughts on the duke of sussex. patricia strong. and patricia says, what a hypocrite. this man is, i suspect talking about killing taliban did go down killing taliban did not go down well. he's changed his well. so he's changed his reasons for saying it it reasons saying for saying it it starting to backtrack this is in relation prince coming relation to prince harry coming on an chat show last on an american chat show last night saying people read in night saying if people read in full in full, everything he was saying about the amount of taliban fighters he killed, they realise that the real reason, he said it was to veteran suicide . said it was to veteran suicide. but he doesn't really talk about that in his book, which is odd andifs that in his book, which is odd and it's almost like call me here about prince harry. it's almost as though he's realised this has gone down very, very badly . maybe put the wider badly. maybe put the wider british public at risk , indeed british public at risk, indeed his own family and trying to say in order to sell more copies of his book, if he read the whole , his book, if he read the whole, you'll see the true contacts and then maybe trying to hide veteran suicide. british shameful if that was true. simon in bedford says our son retired last year after 23 years in the parachute regiment , sierra parachute regiment, sierra leone, kosovo, iraq, afghanistan

go back to iraq and into . he's go back to iraq and into. he's been asked many times whether or not he killed people. his answer always been, unfortunately, as part my job. that is as much as ever says. yeah, exactly . i have ever says. yeah, exactly. i have plenty friends , the military. plenty friends, the military. and while to ask, i never ask because i'm not really that kind of person. but yes, they certainly wouldn't tell me anyway. and they're not forthcoming with it. but rosalind why are you rosalind says, why are you so hard a lovely guy . i hard on. he's a lovely guy. i think both his and father are much worse. why you put the royal family on a pedestal. it's a terrible institution. what is interesting, you just say that. i mean, clearly, i'm going to go into bat for prince andrew and. yes. if i'm being honest with you. i mean, king charles, not our dear queen as a and for a variety of different reasons. however, i do think that what harry has done is pretty shameful in terms of trashing his own family. i just think that says a lot. the guy. also that says a lot. the guy. i also think he's getting absolutely terrible it damages terrible advice and it damages monarchy. damages monarchy. then it damages the british . frankly, when british brand. and frankly, when it taliban stuff, it comes to the taliban stuff, it comes to the taliban stuff, it us all safe on the

it makes us all less safe on the streets britain then. streets of britain then. yeah, i have a massive with have a massive problem with that. i just don't to see anyone continue as they never ending cycle absolutely whingeing cycle of absolutely whingeing whilst and to throw whilst coining it and to throw their family under the their entire family under the bus. the irony here bus. although the irony here is i've just massive i've just had a massive withdrawal. we're back in a moment we do have moment because now we do have your news headlines your latest news headlines headunes. your latest news headlines headlines . patrick, thank you. headlines. patrick, thank you. the headlines hour nhs, waiting times and dominated the first pmqs of the year with the labour party claiming the government has gone from clapping the nurses to the nurses. the prime minister quizzed the opposition leader on why he wasn't supporting the government's minimum safety legislation dunng minimum safety legislation during industrial action. it as up to 25,000 ambulance workers across england and wales are striking today. mr. sunak minimum service levels for key shouldn't be controversial . but shouldn't be controversial. but sir keir starmer accused of being full of empty promises. now people are not knowing

whether when they 999. they will get the treatment that they need . now, mr. speaker . get the treatment that they need . now, mr. speaker. enough's enough. . now, mr. speaker. enough's enough . and australia and canada enough. and australia and canada and the us. they banned strikes , blue light services. we're not doing . all we're saying is that doing. all we're saying is that in these emergency services patients should be able to rely on a basic level of life saving care . why is he against that? care. why is he against that? mr. he's not promising that people will get to see a doctor in a few days like they did under labour. he's not promising that cancer patients would get treatment as he did under laboun treatment as he did under labour. he's not even promising a to put patients first a nature to put patients first like it did under labour. no, he's promising. no the one day. although can't say when the record high waiting lists will stop growing after it . after 13 stop growing after it. after 13 years in government, what does it say ? but the best they can it say? but the best they can offer is that at some point they might stop making things worse .

might stop making things worse. meanwhile, the conservative mp andrew bridgen had the whip removed with the immediate effect following his criticism of the covid vaccine after he shared a tweet likening it to the holocaust. chief whip simon hart said mr. bridgen had crossed a line, causing great offence in the process. he said misinformation about the vaccine causes and costs lives . the causes and costs lives. the prime minister and his japanese counterpart have signed a major defence agreement in a ceremony at the tower of london. the treaty allows the uk and japan to deploy forces into each other's countries. it makes the uk the first european country to have mutual with japan. it's part of a foreign policy tilt . part of a foreign policy tilt. the indo—pacific region against a potential threat from . the a potential threat from. the government is calling it the most significant defence agreement london and tokyo in more than a century. agreement london and tokyo in more than a century . and more than a century. and breaking news in the last few minutes. police investigating the murder of elle edwards have arrested a 22 year old man from

wirral on suspicion of murder. miss edwards was shot at the lighthouse pub in wallasey shortly before midnight on christmas eve. a 23 year old woman from wirral has also been arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender, meaning five people in total have been arrested in connection with the beauticians murder. arrested in connection with the beauticians murder . those are beauticians murder. those are the headlines up to date on tv, onune the headlines up to date on tv, online and dab plus radio. this is gb news don't go anywhere. we're back in just a bit bit.

shamima belgium has stated she's so much than oasis in a bbc podcast featuring her story, the 23 year old isis bride is the subject of the second series of the bbc's i'm not a monster podcast. while she she is not a bad person , the decision to bad person, the decision to

broadcast all ten part series has been met with criticism however with many asking if media broadcasters should grant her platform. joining me now is hard top bungling uk immigration lawyer. thank you very much. is there any way, shape or form that she could use? a potentially quite fluffed up ten part bbc podcast series is a way to rehabilitate her image in a court of law and make it more likely for its return to the uk uk . even if she attempts to do uk. even if she attempts to do that , see beyond that the that, see beyond that the question isn't about whether she's reformed. now question is whether she's a threat to society and whether the government are right to exclude from here or not. and that's the question and i don't think this podcast is really going to hold any swing in relation to that . any swing in relation to that. it might be that she's trying to show , look, i've changed or in show, look, i've changed or in fact the bbc are trying to make people aware, well, hold on.

this happened. this is how it happened and to be fair, this is stuff which the british intelligence agencies should got out of her first as to who groomed her how she was groomed, you know, who went online. who was she in contact who traffic to across and government has been working that although it's a bit delayed when we found out a bit delayed when we found out a canadian spy involved in trafficking and then so you it's. yeah i'll just just quickly sorry i mean on on. a couple of days after prince harry has managed to infuriate the taliban . we've also had an the taliban. we've also had an oafis the taliban. we've also had an oasis video drop in the last few hours which is calling for terror attacks on london. we now also the bbc about to a podcast series where the former is his bride. let's go to the major question surrounding human bacon is whether or she should come back in the uk. is is whether or she should come back in the uk . is it back in the uk. is it responsible to do this ? i mean, responsible to do this? i mean, is this not potentially just whipping up the terrorist cause 7 whipping up the terrorist cause ? they could that. but you could

also argue, patrick is good to inform people because it's been similar cases like this to shamima rhiannon rudd for instance and she ended up taking her own life as she was groomed by a guy in america who actually was a pen pal of her mum . and was a pen pal of her mum. and the mum was unaware that own child was being groomed by boyfriend pen pal . so, you know boyfriend pen pal. so, you know , this girl was down when she was caught. details of how to make bombs. so i mean, manuals for bomb making. so this can happen to children . it's very happen to children. it's very important. we have internet and it should be mandatory in schools. and the media does have a responsibility to educate pubuc a responsibility to educate public and tell people what this is, how it happens and this is what we need to beware of and us as parents, we need to know we're busy people. we can't police our kids 24/7, especially in a world of techno tablets and phones. in a world of techno tablets and phones . it's in a world of techno tablets and phones. it's impossible we can hardly even police . so simple hardly even a police. so simple . this information gets out. but i do that. i'm not sure if you're a parent i think you said

you're a parent i think you said you are, but i would like to think up that would be of a decent quality enough parent where your child wouldn't want to go and join a radical jihadi death cult in the middle east and then actually go and then not come back at all or make any attempt to come back, it would appean attempt to come back, it would appear, until the caliphate been smashed . out of. we lost them. smashed. out of. we lost them. oh yeah, no, he's gone . just oh yeah, no, he's gone. just thought he was thinking about it for a second before we lost our jobs. by god, i think i will. i've pretty sure i will answer haja for i am absolutely haja for now, i am absolutely certain her interest in certain that her interest in embargo enough parrot embargo is a good enough parrot that his children, if he that none of his children, if he has any, would to go and has any, would want to go and join. but they would i now join. but they would go. i now have read statement from the have to read statement from the bbc because gb news the bbc about series and about a series and a spokesperson replied is a spokesperson replied is not a platform to platform for shamima begum to give unchallenged story. give her unchallenged story. this is a robust public interest investigation which investigation in which james baker examined baker has forensically examined who is and what she who she really is and what she really did . we'd also encourage really did. we'd also encourage people to podcast, to

people to listen to podcast, to make up their own and that make up their own mind and that to be fair is a vital point. we do have to listen to this podcast. i certainly be podcast. i certainly will be fascinated it. just fascinated by it. just a question is if it's soften question mark is if it's soften image at all, you know, is it kind of whitewash really? we'll have to wait and see where put. there it would appear to be there is it would appear to be a morbid fascination with tv companies at the moment. just rebuild chasing out an out wrong and whether we've got shamima gb news can reveal propagandist from the isis terror group have urged their followers to carry out fresh attacks on western targets . i'm here with all home targets. i'm here with all home security headed to mount white. who more on this? yes. this who has more on this? yes. this is . on an who has more on this? yes. this is. on an encrypted who has more on this? yes. this is . on an encrypted platform . is. on an encrypted platform. it's not something that ordinary members of the public can access , but it is a video effectively , a call to arms calling on isis support terrorists to carry out fresh attacks in the west, which is always a concern because any time these propagandists put out videos like this, there will always be those who in capacity

are looking to respond to that . are looking to respond to that. so as i say, it's not something that ordinary members of the pubuc that ordinary members of the public have access to, but those extremists who operate in that sphere, who listen to what these propaganda certainly will have access to it . and within that, access to it. and within that, it this video we won't going to a great deal of detail but it does london with the words in engush does london with the words in english saying coming soon. can i ask what you make of the timing of this. we have had prince harry's comments about, the taliban etc. taliban, of course, are miffed about this. i understand this is he says, look , people in the inbox have been drawing a particular inference around that. i mean , your what's around that. i mean, your what's your view about the timing, this particular video, anything? well, isis, well, the taliban isis, al—qaeda, it might be, al—qaeda, whoever it might be, these extremists will always seek to use any excuse to justify the carnage that they want to carry out on western

targets . they have always done targets. they have always done that. targets. they have always done that . whether it puts us more at that. whether it puts us more at risk , it's certainly possible risk, it's certainly possible that it may act as a driver for some people to do it, but i think more likely the next time an attack is carried . they may. an attack is carried. they may. yeah suggest that it was carried out because of this or it may actually inform their who they decide to go over . but the decide to go over. but the threat of terrorism is never gone away. it is only present. we have seen this morning a multiple knife that has taken place in paris at the rail station . it's not been declared station. it's not been declared a terrorist attack as yet, but investigators from the prosecutor's office in france are examining all the facts and it may be that in the fullness of time, they do take over this. there reports in french media that the individual involved was shouting allahu akbar, god is great in arabic before carrying out this attack on french media.

also quoting security sources suggesting this man has not been identified through fingerprints . a libyan national who arrived in france a few years , he was in france a few years, he was known to the authorities . he's known to the authorities. he's for low level crime . it doesn't for low level crime. it doesn't say that he was known . the say that he was known. the security services at this stage, but we're still pretty fresh into this incident, which six people were injured, one critically. the himself was shot three times by french. so as i say, patrick, it just the terrorist threat is ever present . and although in this country, the terrorist threat level has reduced in recent months to substantial meaning, an attack is likely severe where it was quite a number of years that . quite a number of years that. doesn't mean the authorities say that people get complacent and lord or not because these things can happen any time any absolutely marker and certainly

in light of the fact that there's an isis video apparently doing the rounds at the minute feature in london saying coming soon i mean is concerning stuff mark thank you very much but one that their homeland security editor away from editor well moving away from that now and talking about something else because million something else because a million graduates leavers graduates and school leavers could the worst job could face the worst job prospects since the 2008 financial crisis . that's financial crisis. that's according to a new report from institute for fiscal studies. good grief . i think it was all good grief. i think it was all light hearted stuff today, isn't it? economic think tank is it? the economic think tank is blaming lockdowns and, a blaming covid lockdowns and, a looming recession, calling it a double setbacks. for our next double of setbacks. for our next generation of workers. joining me now to pick the bones out, this is our economics and business liam halligan business editor liam halligan with the money money . liam. with on the money money. liam. so people are coming out union the has got jobs right. there's a theme emerging here patrick you remember during lockdown even for quite a long time afterwards nobody officially in the establishment if you like wanted to have that. there was

any damage lockdown because they might get blamed for at might get blamed for it. but at pmqs today, when faced with long nhs waiting lists, rishi sunak said to keir starmer doesn't , said to keir starmer doesn't, the honourable just realise that we had a pandemic and that's why the nhs was obviously diverted and that's helped to drive the waiting lists and. here we have the ifs a very authoritative think tank, very much part of the british, if you like, and they are saying that a lot of kids that are coming into the labour market from school also leaving university , they are leaving university, they are having some of their chance is slightly scuppered because of the disruption to their education. here's a couple of quotes from the ifs . say, in quotes from the ifs. say, in their report published today, their report published today, the cohorts that entered the labour markets in 20 1920 and 21 fared no worse than previous cohorts across a number of job quality measures. no less likely to be in full time permanent now being full time. permanent. work to work higher paid or professional occupations or

receive on the job training or to work for large firms. the institute for fiscal went on to say , as the market say, as the labour market becomes less tight, that means as there are fewer vacancies and as there are fewer vacancies and a bit more unemployment. patrick which is happening. there are lots of working and training over the pandemic. may them at a disadvantage . and here's the disadvantage. and here's the kicker perhaps more concerning still are the prospects as the ifs for the next two cohorts of graduates as 2022 to 2024 who face a whammy strong language of had their last years of education disrupted by the pandemic and being set to enter the labour market in a prolonged recession. so this isn't great school leavers to come all to come and statements like this again from an authoritative source . it does raise marks over source. it does raise marks over the fact that we now have 50% plus of our people going to universal d there are many other . you can now become solicitor

without going to university to you can now become an accountant without going to university way you could 30 or 40 years ago. you join a firm directly on a professional or apprenticeship and i discussed these themes the idea of not going to university why it can be better for some people with guy called connor cotton who runs an information service called not going to uni here he typically well historically university was the main option unless you wanted to go into some of the very sort of manual skilled like being a plumber for whereas in this day age a lot of parents bewildered by the fact that you can a solicitor are not to university and you can go and be a solicitor by doing an apprenticeship. so the more we can educate on that, see what those alternative routes are similar to what i'm saying about young people, educating them , young people, educating them, the better equipped they are to their son in law to make that decision, or more importantly, when their son goes home and says, this , they can

says, i'm doing this, they can actually support them and get behind them in going down that route . yeah i think it's route. yeah i think it's absolutely fascinating stuff and. anyone who regularly watch or listen to this and i hate to make it's all about me, but i went to university during lockdown. i didn't want to work on it. so i realised he needed law. didn't agree on first hand that the idea of getting work is basically i would been if basically i would have been if i had decided to pursue. yeah. massive disadvantaged, massively disadvantaged to anyone else. and whether or not now and i wonder whether or not now we're shift and we we're seeing a shift and we should a shift from parent to very well—meaning because university you've got to go to universities now if you go universities and now if you go and maybe should work and maybe you should work experience, then go to university we've discussed this overin university we've discussed this over in the past. patrick i was the first person in my family goes university know in a thousand years now my cousins went to university t i thousand years now my cousins went to universityt i was thousand years now my cousins went to university t i was the one in the rest of the university. a fantastic one of our guys got to so university. t but of school but now i've got of school leaving , you know, university leaving, you know, university age increasingly my cohort of

parents who overwhelmingly you know professional people they're increasingly thinking should my kid straight to university do they really to come out with a huge debt wouldn't it be better if they get themselves into the world of work earlier when you have of population gone to have% of the population gone to university it's no longer special to have a degree and it may even slow you down. and i'd say to parents there of , say to parents out there of, which i am one, just listen to your kid, because your kids will be in touch with a lot trends andideas be in touch with a lot trends and ideas influences that you own. so don't be immediately shocked if you do when your child's genius says, oh, ever dreamed of one day they say, you know what, dad you know what, mum? i'm going to join a law straight away. i'm going to become a plumber away. i'm going to a bricklayer or a to become a bricklayer or a carpenter because you can earn a lot those professions. lot more from those professions. those in many situations those trades in many situations than you can from a not particularly interesting degree . liam, thank you very much. how can our economics business can our economics and business it's fascinating stuff it's always fascinating stuff

that right okay well look that great right okay well look your emails coming in because there's a lot to talk about gb views a gbnews.uk not least it's a very big talking point in the days suddenly prince harry days that suddenly prince harry made stephen made an appearance on stephen colbert's which he colbert's late show, in which he denied boasting about killing 25 taliban as well serving taliban fights as well serving as a soldier and claimed members of his family are in an active campaign to undermine his new book. i made a choice to show it because having spent nearly two decades working veterans decades working with veterans all around the world, i think the most important thing is, to be honest and be able to give space to others, to be able to share experiences share their experiences without any whole goal any shame. and my whole goal with attempts with sharing with my attempts with sharing that detail is, oh, okay, well know our whinge in general has been received here as i have just been handed . thank you very just been handed. thank you very much. a copy of the book by our very own liam halligan . i saw an very own liam halligan. i saw an article i was looking for a little bit of kindling to keep my flat warming up. paramedic we spoke to earlier on. i'm going to be looking for new to heat our various different anyway i

digress want to know how digress but i want to know how this going down. and american this is going down. and american friends me that friends tell me that being treated america looks quite comfortable. the knee looks as though i though he was amongst friends. i wonder not the wonder whether or not the american have swallowed american public have swallowed left centre. joining left right and centre. joining me host me now is paul duddridge, host of politics people podcast and he stateside for us. paul the americas just swallowed all of this . it's a americas just swallowed all of this. it's a mixed bag, i have to say . it's this. it's a mixed bag, i have to say. it's in areas it's going down as well as shamima bagans podcast . but others are support podcast. but others are support it. if you get some of the reviews coming out of not just the show last night where i again i'm going to digress slightly he shared on the show a private conversation he'd had with wells about . wells feeling with wells about. wells feeling that his mother was still around and that was the most private, intimate conversation . and yet intimate conversation. and yet he's doing it while doing tequila slammers. he's doing it while doing tequila slammers . stephen tequila slammers. stephen colbert i just thought the whole thing was disgrace fold. but

it's a mixed bag. some people are very supportive of harry, but others and a lot of the reviews are very negative and scathing. we've got the new york times that said that they're probably trying to protect their privacy by like their grand plan seems to be away. inquiring minds boring them to bits . and minds boring them to bits. and then the wall street journal said that they described harry as titled an and so . but then as titled an and so. but then you get the odd one like time magazine says it's actually well written judge has come out judge judy said that he is selfish and spoilt and adds that she'd be furious. i've always loved when you , judge judy against you. you, judge judy against you. i've always liked judge judy. obviously, i must. she seems awfully, straightforward awfully, very straightforward woman. if tide does against woman. if the tide does against harry, you know, around the montecito area in the beyond of this world and you know, all of those kind of people that serena williams is, they just solidly

harry is just a bit of a thick winger . do harry is just a bit of a thick winger. do you reckon that meghan would leave him ? yeah. meghan would leave him? yeah. i'm glad you said because that's that's the play because that's who she cares about . those are who she cares about. those are those are the people she cares about. what george clooney thinks , husbands. she doesn't thinks, husbands. she doesn't care about what the monarchy thinks, what the british public through. against them. through. they turn against them. presumably be enough presumably that would be enough to divorce papers. it to sign the divorce papers. it exactly. very, very quick exactly. two very, very quick things they've already turned. you serena . she's you bring up serena. she's actually friend of . meghan's actually a friend of. meghan's since she met harry. since before she met harry. okay. so she's probably going to be there the long haul every be there for the long haul every other major celebrity has distanced and not for any reason other than these people cannot be trusted. but to private conversations . and as we know in conversations. and as we know in media, that is the currency. it's private conversation . it's private conversation. actions are what drives the whole thing. they be trusted not to report that the only support from now on for sensible people ourselves is to do some of office suite. on how long of

they go. i'm going to five years maximum . she has to rebrand maximum. she has to rebrand herself as the queen of all single parents. that going to i think that what i reckon is the play think that what i reckon is the play . yeah i know and i wonder play. yeah i know and i wonder as well whether or not she's almost signed own divorce papers because he makes himself out to because he makes himself out to be this incredibly troubled person with a track record of drugs . and so apparently drugs. and so apparently supposedly anyway it's the it's the fastest book since harry but given some of the accusations this is more harry potter that isn't it . but there we go. isn't it. but there we go. i know i look very harry potter is the new name. i love that. yeah. you go, paul. thank you very much. paul duddridge, the host, the politics people podcast . he the politics people podcast. he is stateside. anyway, thank you very much. are with me very much. you are with me patrick loads more to patrick christys. loads more to come. loads more in the next hours we to a strong king hours we speak to a strong king ambulance picket ambulance worker after picket line their line, hopefully to get their take one of those take on it. one of those striking , is it right? is it striking, is it right? is it right that so—called isis bride should a beggar has been given a

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channel welcome back. everybody is just gone.5 welcome back. everybody is just gone. 5 pm, you're with me. patrick christys on. i'm coming up on the day that thousands of ambulance workers walked out with the minister's been with the prime minister's been blamed for all the nhs blamed for all of the nhs strikes . keir starmer blamed for all of the nhs strikes. keir starmer said rishi sunak had failed to negotiate properly and was choosing to prolong the misery. rishi sunak hit back, the government hit back, saying the government wants constructive dialogue with unions 25,000 ambulance unions up to 25,000 ambulance workers across england and wales have gone on strike in a dispute with the government over pay. i will speak to of the unions in a

few moments. we have got striking worker on what should be quite nice to actually hear what they have to say anyway , what they have to say anyway, moving on, so—called called moving on, the so—called called bride say so—called shamima begum understands begum has said she understands anger towards them, mainly because she's definitely this bride, insisted she's not bride, but insisted she's not a bad person. she's been speaking to the bbc for a new podcast, blaming her portrayal in the for being viewed as a risk. i want to know, though, do you that the bbc should have given her a platform to actually share her side of the story and? if we haven't heard enough already from prince harry, he's now popped up from prince harry, he's now popped up on the late show in the states suggesting media about him boasting , about about him boasting, about killing taliban while serving as a soldier his new book are a soldier in his new book are very dangerous. his memoir, spare, now officially the spare, is now officially the uk's selling non—fiction uk's fastest selling non—fiction book. you have that right non—fiction got into it. you've also a bit of breaking news as well my own to mount . why well my very own to mount. why about the fact that isis have supposedly released a video which would at least imply that

an attack on london is imminent. so bring you the latest on gb views at gb news dot uk, but now it is the latest headline . it is the latest headline. patrick, thank you and good evening to you. nhs waiting times the threat of strike action dominated the first pmqs today with labour claiming the government has from clapping the nurses to sack the nurses. the prime minister quizzed the opposition leader on why wasn't supporting the government's proposed minimum safety legislation which seeks to ensure minimum standard of service by workers during strike action . sir keir starmer action. sir keir starmer responded by saying that. if rishi sunak had negotiated nhs workers earlier , they wouldn't workers earlier, they wouldn't be on strike in the first place. that comes as up to 25,000 ambulance workers across england wales are striking today overpay . mr. sunak says minimum levels for key services shouldn't be controversial . how people not controversial. how people not knowing whether when they 999

they will get the treatment that they will get the treatment that they. they will get the treatment that they . and mr. speaker enough in they. and mr. speaker enough in australia australia and canada and the us they ban strikes on blue light services. we're not doing. all we're saying is that in these emergency services patients should be able to rely on a basic level of life saving care. why is he against that? mr. speaker ? well, in response , mr. speaker? well, in response, labour leader sir keir starmer claim the prime minister was full of empty promises. he's not promising that people will get to see a doctor in a few days like they did under labour. he's not promising that cancer patients get urgent treatment. i cited underlying . he's not even cited underlying. he's not even promising an nhs that puts patients first like it did under labour. patients first like it did under labour . no, patients first like it did under labour. no, he's promising that one day. although we can't say when the record waiting lists will stop growing . i see. after will stop growing. i see. after 13 years in government, what doesit 13 years in government, what does it say ? but the best i can

does it say? but the best i can offer is that at some point they might stop making things worse . might stop making things worse. the conservative mp andrew bridgen has had the whip removed following his of the covid vaccine after he shared a tweet comparing after effects on cardiac health with the holocaust. the chief whip simon hart said mr. bridgen across the line, causing great offence in the process and he said misinformation about vaccine caused harm and cost lives. misinformation about vaccine caused harm and cost lives . the caused harm and cost lives. the prime minister said the comments utterly unacceptable. i join with my right noble friend and completely condemning those types of comments that we saw this in the stronger, strongest possible terms. obviously it is utterly unacceptable to make linkages and use language like that and i'm determined that the scourge of anti—semitism is eradicated. it has absolutely no place in our society . and i know place in our society. and i know that the previous few years have challenging for the jewish community and i never want them to experience anything that ever again . merseyside police

again. merseyside police arrested a 22 year old man from wirral on suspicion of murder as part of their investigation into the shooting. beautician elle edwards said was was killed at a pub in wallasey shortly before midnight on christmas eve, but was not believed to be the intended target of the attack in which four men were also hurt. intended target of the attack in which four men were also hurt . a which four men were also hurt. a 23 year old woman from wirral has also been arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender, bringing the total number of arrests in connection with the case up to five. the prime minister and his japanese counterpart to have signed a major defence agreement in a ceremony at the tower of london. the treaty allows uk and japan to deploy into each other's countries . it makes the uk the countries. it makes the uk the first european country to have mutual military access . japan, mutual military access. japan, as part of a policy tilt towards the region, against the potential threat from china. the government is calling it the most significant agreement between london and tokyo in more than a century.

between london and tokyo in more than a century . a fatal accident than a century. a fatal accident inquiry found a number of defects in. the running of a luxury hotel contribute to a deadly fire. the cameron house hotel in dunbartonshire caught fire in december 2017. after a night, porter left a bag of embers and ashes, a fireplace in a cupboard full of combustibles. hotel simon midgley and his partner dyson, both died in blaze. the inquiry found precautions on the disposal . precautions on the disposal. ashes could have stopped the fire from breaking out and has called for hotels to have up to date fire procedures in place . date fire procedures in place. the royal mail says it's experiencing a severe disruption to its export services after a cyber incident . the company says cyber incident. the company says that unable send letters and parcels overseas keys, they addedit parcels overseas keys, they added it could cause issues for items already shipped export. domestic deliveries are said to be largely unaffected. they are asking customers to temporarily

stop sending items through the post while they resolve the issue and flights in the us are beginning to resume after. a mass computer outage forced. all aircraft to be temporarily grounded . over 4000 flights were grounded. over 4000 flights were delayed and more than 600 were cancelled due to the failure. the federal aviation administration in the state says its system , which alerts pilots its system, which alerts pilots about essential information at airports, was not updating. the white house, there's currently no evidence of a cyber attack, although president joe biden has ordered an investigation . that's ordered an investigation. that's the news. more news as it happens. back now to . happens. back now to. patrick oke. welcome back is the theme to this show and it appears to be the just seconds before i have to start reading this to all cue more breaking news drops and this is one of those times

yet again in relation to moore's law strike action public and law strike action the public and commercial services has commercial services union has announced last few announced within the last few moments 100,000 moments that around 100,000 civil strike civil servants, artists strike on the 1st of february and a worsening dispute over so worsening dispute overjobs. so just read that again, see parties together first parties together for the first time around 100,000 civil time to around 100,000 civil servants. aren't a strike on the of february in a worsening dispute overjobs. i'll bring you more as i have it no you more that as i have it no doubt interesting matter of moments, the news comes as moments, but the news comes as more paramedics more 20,000 paramedics and ambulance support staff have walked today in their second walked out today in their second strike this winter , patients strike this winter, patients have told to expect waits have been told to expect waits for 999 calls as well as major delays for ambulances. it's all part of a dispute over pay and conditions on. i spoke to the national secretary of the gmb union. andy i asked him if it was really affordable for the government to award its members an above inflation pay rise . an above inflation pay rise. well, i mean firstly i the way you get the idea that that is what the gmb have asked for. we've asked for a substantial

pay we've asked for a substantial pay rise . we've been offered 4% pay rise. we've been offered 4% inflation. if you look at rpi , inflation. if you look at rpi, currently 14, at no point . we currently 14, at no point. we said that we wouldn't accept figures lower than that and you know, standard negotiations are wages looking at something to address the fact. over the last 12 years, the average time to get into work or has lost 13% of their pay. so is there a particular figure in mind that you wouldn't mind revealing to us right now that you would go for? think we can get for? do you think so? we can get some. surprisingly, not some. surprisingly, i'm not going be my on the location going to be my on the location position television. position on national television. for the room it's something we've trying to speak with we've been trying to speak with the government. the government who heard on who naseem zahawi heard on television we should be television and said we should be negotiating, striking. negotiating, not striking. we completely the completely agree. sadly, the first the government turned first time the government turned up talk about pay was up to talk about pay was actually monday of this week . actually monday of this week. now, we had a strike in december they didn't talk about pay. they soften their approach . they seem soften their approach. they seem willing to talk about . and willing to talk about. and hopefully after today , even all hopefully after today, even all year. hopefully after today, even all year . right okay. well, joining

year. right okay. well, joining me now is phil thomson , who's me now is phil thomson, who's regional organiser at unison, says union and he's at london waterloo . i'm glad stationery is waterloo. i'm glad stationery is yes good stuff. thank you very, very much. i'm just going to start in a similar way that i started the last interview, the last union chap really and say, look, the government has at least to us what they appear to be offering you. you are going on strike. people's health is suffering as a result. could you do this? courtesy of telling do this? the courtesy of telling us you settle up ? us figure you would settle up? well could you do the courtesy of telling what the government has offered? they haven't offered. there's no offered. there's been no discussions about at all. what they've done is they've recommendations. about 4% bar was met. so that . well, if yes was met. so that. well, if yes i'll i'll finish answering your question. they've imposed a £72 per hour increase they've imposed that so that's for negotiation. it's not for discussion they've already put in people's pay packets, which means behind me who are the 999 call handler takers on strike

and all of that are being paid in real terms during the pandemic. so when university healthcare workers during the pandemic face that and now being paid less in rail terms, they were not system. yeah, but it's a scandal though is it. because that's the way that inflation works and we have had of course the war in ukraine and we also have various different things. people spending 7 million candidates, but channel migrants in hotels. so you urge the government now to stop doing and stop sending money to so stop sending money to ukraine so that to pay people that it afford to pay people like more . well, he's got like you more. well, he's got naturally on working in a sense. they but i think the government the money it's a matter of political will it's not it's not that there isn't sufficient funds. i've just heard your very interesting clip there about the prime minister talking about minimum service. absolutely minimum service. we absolutely want minimum and that's what we want minimum and that's what we want every day. we don't when there's a strike, we want them every . and the prime minister

every. and the prime minister said he wants the minimum service, not actually the last time we had a strike. nine, nine, nine calls were answered more quickly because there were fewer of them . the people of fewer of them. the people of london are not phoning precisely because they support the. can i just you very quickly i do appreciate it because there's quite a lot of shouting going on which. fair enough. it's a bit of on beyond a little bit of colour. we don't do colour. we don't mind. what do you mind you answer the you mind when you answer the next question to almost shouts at me is all right? i can't at me is us. all right? i can't actually you. at the actually hear you. well, at the benefits as? i'm sure that benefits such as? i'm sure that won't people want won't be a problem people want to at me every single day to shout at me every single day anyway. i've got to ask in a cost living crisis, what everybody pretty everyone is feeling the why should feeling the pinch. why should the represent the people that you represent get the expense of get money at the expense of other dying? the other people dying? why is the money in your worker's pockets more important than old lady lying in a crumpled heap at the bottom the stairs ? because bottom of the stairs? because these the people will save these are the people will save these are the people will save the old lady's life and you as i'm . i'm there will work every

i'm. i'm there will work every day there at work today to participate in this and working to make the same . thing that i to make the same. thing that i don't quite understand. i think a lot of people don't understand is how on earth these strikes are helping the situation. the government is doesn't appear to be budging whatsoever and on top of that as well it seems as though that realistically you guys are not going to be able afford to continue to have these. so it's all going to end anyway. the health care system is getting worse as a result of this. there are no winners in any of this, are they? you're just people . the just inconveniencing people. the last you spoke to anybody last time you spoke to anybody who had more than last time you spoke to anybody who had more tha last time you spoke to anybody who anybodyz tha last time you spoke to anybody who anybody less than day, anybody less than £1,000,000 a year , actually, £1,000,000 a year, actually, anybody earn less than 150,000 in the book. so there is money. i'm really felt. yeah sorry. it's just not working, i'm afraid, because you are so many people. i do really appreciate

your time. and i would have loved to have had a proper chat with you then. it was. with you then. i think it was. yeah, was talk about yeah, there was talk about there'd be no out of these strikes. certainly view is strikes. certainly our view is no we're not the winners from that. at an that. a ham fisted attempt at an interview. phil, thank interview. but phil, thank you very phil thompson, very much. phil thompson, regional and regional organiser, unison and clearly lot of clearly surrounded by a lot of people were out on as people who were out on strike as . well. it was a nice try. former labour mp and minister for europe mcshane joins me now. as if he weren't angry enough, ladies and gentlemen, dennis, thank you very much as a stepping into the fray. now the between, of course, the railway unions and, employers rumbles on as well. this the rmt aslef to us . a bosses appeared in front us. a bosses appeared in front of the transport committee to share progress has been share what progress has been made in the negotiations . it made in the negotiations. it appears not. challenge drawings continue into the next couple of months . aslef chief mike wieland months. aslef chief mike wieland claimed . his union will be able claimed. his union will be able to financially sustain action for a long time. i'm not sure. i believe in mick lynch accused the government talks the government sabotaging talks and december strikes. and provoking december strikes. let's just play a little clip of

that and then we'll go to dennis. to me, it's sabotage. and they wanted these strikes . and they wanted these strikes. go ahead. they knew that going forward , the imposition of forward, the imposition of change in network and d10 would a reaction they got the reaction and they let the strikes go ahead overkill amos they didn't lift the telephone or lift a finger to get them off they brought forward stage managed releases in the last week about minimum service levels , about minimum service levels, about disruption and all the rest of it, about me and various other people in the industry . they're people in the industry. they're all primed for the certain press outlets and the whole thing has been completely stage managed leading up to monday's sessions with the trade unions as far as i can see. so it's a deliberate torpedoing of the talks could have developed . alright, okay. have developed. alright, okay. well, i'm going to bring in dennis mcshane now, dennis. i can't help but that there's a lot of misinformation going here. listened to a chap here. we just listened to a chap that he says he's that make lengthy. he says he's got public support. it got the public support. it doesn't the poll which doesn't let the last poll which was done a month or so he

was done a month or so ago, he was done a month or so ago, he was 44. we also have was down at 44. we also have ambulance workers going on strike, making it look though strike, making it look as though they've masse for they've all voted en masse for this. but they've no they've got to rig ballot and do it. trust by trust as opposed to do it on a national that don't a national level that they don't in level, they in a national level, they wouldn't had the more than wouldn't have had the more than 50% support they needed. look, there's people there's just people thrown a strong they chose the strong business. they chose the wrong they're doing under wrong they're all doing under margaret employer margaret thatcher's employer legislation. again well, you can't help it all these strikes now. no one, i used to run strikes is presently i was pretty good speaker . i strikes is presently i was pretty good speaker. i can strikes is presently i was pretty good speaker . i can get pretty good speaker. i can get the lads out and stop the papers appearing. put a bit of pressure the company, get a little bit of wage . we all went home, went wage. we all went home, went back to somehow in this country. i've just come back from the place. you don't like to mention nonh place. you don't like to mention north koreans. you're europe. yeah well, it's north korea. europe and north korea. there we all go to harrison and they've also got problems with . ukraine also got problems with. ukraine inflation post debit difficulties , tensions between

difficulties, tensions between politics. but none of them are this kind of semi basket showpiece we're offering to the world. i mean , why? i don't world. i mean, why? i don't understand . steve barclay understand. steve barclay yesterday we heard, oh, there's been a bit of movement, been a bit of a change goes into this can i can't say maybe it's because in the middle of a cost living crisis when people recognise what's on in ukraine and all of this stuff, maybe people who have chosen to work in the public sector in other countries, feel more of a sense of national duty. and the people who our public sector. who work in our public sector. well, i put you on my shoulder a magical bit. you over to france with a huge demonstrations and strikes about extending the strikes now about extending the working year mr. macron wants to make the french work longer because he says the only way they can afford pensions , they can afford pensions, they're up in arms about. it i can cite other examples but i'll just put so a little bit confused i think you've just me that things are much better in europe and now you just told me

though i'm say that there struck there are difficulties every country every country is facing inflation. post pandemic inflation. ukraine post pandemic the huge rise in sometimes in costs of living but not resorting to trying to make this into giant football. well i don't understand is smart leader harold macmillan probably even to margaret thatcher she didn't go hell for leather . richard go hell for leather. richard sunakis go hell for leather. richard sunak is to attack strike she waited. she by the time she picked on us, the skull correctly. but she could have a relationship with trade in other areas. this prime minister to want to make every single unionists and their millions of them is personal to me. i get that. but at the same time , that. but at the same time, trade unionists that i ever speak is telling me what it is that they actually want. european more , heaven's sake. it european more, heaven's sake. it hasn't changed 100 years. i wouldn't trade unions for first founded we know a little bit more they've been offered something that means have to go back said we've got a great

negotiator and we're going to make you pull. negotiator and we're going to make you pull . we're going to make you pull. we're going to make you pull. we're going to make you pull. we're going to make you poorer. you've had ten years of generally getting a little less pull than you were the year before. now the government is saying all we're going to do, the only the fact there's a bit of inflation around not even recognised you still need more you've got a ukrainian badge and i think you've ticked every box out because it's the ukrainian budget. what does it to have the eu stores around it as well and you are to represent you are here to represent workers. i was a labour man , workers. i was a labour man, frankly. if stop wanting to frankly. if you stop wanting to ship a load of money, a blank cheque over to ukraine, you could your workers could pay your workers more. i've arguing some i've been arguing for some months should be sending months now. we should be sending challenge sick . challenge to tanks. i'm sick. tired of the idea that boris photo calls in kyiv is , britain photo calls in kyiv is, britain leading the world. there isn't a single country in the un that's changed policy on ukraine thanks to anything that the british government done. now that's a foreign policy argument. i'm glad we're doing what we're

doing. we should be doing a lot more. we've got over hundred and 50 most bulk 50 challenger tanks, most bulk who should be shipped to ukraine tomorrow, but we still haven't doneit tomorrow, but we still haven't done it very well. go back to now the strikes . i've lived in now the strikes. i've lived in countries where i've for minimum service agreements , but what service agreements, but what this government seems to be doing is to say will designate scabs and black legs. it's going to go the house of lords. it will take more than a year. yeah, i did , i do, i know there yeah, i did, i do, i know there is a point. there is just get done because it also is a bit unenforceable and i do get this, i do think it should be minimum service levels just a matter of principle. but realistically, if every paramedic the every single paramedic in the country anyway, we country on strike anyway, we can't anyway , can't be can't sack them anyway, can't be done. going that done. it's going to be that right. thank you very it's right. thank you very much. it's former labour minister former labour mp and minister former labour mp and minister for reacting for europe as. well, reacting initially to strikes and initially to the strikes and then off, as we always then veering off, as we always do else for do to something else for a little bit. but anyway, let's go now to westminster with our political editor darren mccaffrey. of guys mccaffrey. a lots of guys looking to that you just looking to you that you just heard bit, think of

heard a little bit, i think of what mcshane was saying. heard a little bit, i think of wha there mcshane was saying. heard a little bit, i think of wha there been:shane was saying. heard a little bit, i think of wha there been:sha|wiggle saying. has there been any wiggle whatsoever? any in whatsoever? have we got any in size the moment ? whatsoever? have we got any in size the moment? i don't size at the moment? i don't think we do. patrick is the honest, simple answer to all of that. we're one of the rail union was asked employees union chiefs was asked employees at transport select at our transport select committee a little earlier on today thought today about close they thought they on the of they were to a deal on the of 1 to 10 one of them replied zero. i carry out a zero to that. i think that's a sense of where at which is a long, long way from a possible solution. and it's not just the railway workers. of course, we've got paramedics out on strike today. nurses are due to on strike next week. there's talk teachers potentially going on strike as well. been talking to education secretary to the education secretary the teaching , doctors, and teaching unions, doctors, and could well be balloted as well. and in the last couple minutes, patrick, to add to all of that, you said you were sick of strikes. well, yeah , you can be strikes. well, yeah, you can be sick for quite a long period of time around 100,000 civil servants going to strike on servants are going to strike on the of february in worse name dispute and dispute over jobs and conditions, according the conditions, according to the pubuc conditions, according to the public services

public commercial services union. so we do not seem to be any close to a resolution of anything , seem to be getting anything, seem to be getting worse and it does at the moment seem like a game of brinkmanship with the government effectively sitting back to a large degree, letting these strikes , hoping letting these strikes, hoping maybe will cave in at maybe the unions will cave in at the unions the moment seem determined to plough on, hoping that the government at some point may well cave in because of. darren, thank you very much, darren mccaffrey political editor westminster raju editor from westminster raju with christys right with me patrick christys right here news. coming up, here on gb news. and coming up, the latest on knife attack the latest on the knife attack in paris where six people were injured. shot dead by injured. one man shot dead by police . he have, although police. he does have, although these incidents are unrelated, by the does come on the by the way, it does come on the day that we managed to reveal you that isis have you anyway that isis have released calling for released a video calling for attacks it would appear anyway in london . also the idea in london. also got the idea that shamima begum might be allowed kind whitewash allowed to kind of whitewash image. the bbc, we've image. thanks to the bbc, we've got that coming your way. got all of that coming your way. i'm much more be back in a i'm much much more be back in a tick .

okay well at least six people have been injured, including a member of the french police and a knife attack . the incident a knife attack. the incident took place at paris's golden central railway station serves as a hub for transport with trains to london and other parts of northern europe . joining me of northern europe. joining me now is peter rolland. he's a based journalist who was at scene all morning. peter, thank you very much. can you just talk us through exactly what's happened? is it terror ? they happened? is it terror? they didn't know at the moment, patrick, what normally happens over here? if there's any serious evidence for terror , serious evidence for terror, anti terrorism, judges involved there, specialist grade of judges here , because of the judges here, because of the amount of terrorism there has been france over the years. but can tell you at the moment they

have been instructed at the moment that it is being treated as a routine criminal inquiry. but i can tell you as a developing is that a libyan in his early 20 years is the suspect footed attacker . at suspect footed attacker. at first he told police that was an algerian and that wasn't true . algerian and that wasn't true. he gave a false name . they he gave a false name. they eventually established who was through his fingerprints and they showed that he arrived in france three years ago and had an expulsion order against him last and should shouldn't have been even in the country. but today he got of a sharpened chisel . what a horrific weapon. chisel. what a horrific weapon. and went on the rampage in this busy station. so a lot of questions for the interior minister, gerald darmanin here. patrick yeah, sorry. peter i mean, i'm just going to ask you to repeat a couple of things because it was a lot of detail there and thank you very much for bringing that to us. so this

chap was was known to authorities previous criminal convictions supposed have convictions supposed to have been country been expelled from the country but managed get hold of but managed to get hold of sharpened chisel , sharpen sharpened chisel, sharpen himself on rampage himself and then go on a rampage in public station. is in a busy public station. is that absolutely right . he that right. absolutely right. he was considered to be extremely dangerous a danger to the public . he had been convicted of various acts of vandalism , but various acts of vandalism, but the fear was that was going to extend his violence to human beings. that's exactly he did this morning, despite this order against a year ago. there's lot of feeling over here that these orders aren't the paper they're written on. there was an expulsion order saying out of france immediately , but he just france immediately, but he just ignored it . france immediately, but he just ignored it. on living in france immediately, but he just ignored it . on living in france ignored it. on living in france and was free to carry out this horrific . what's the mood like horrific. what's the mood like in at the moment i mean it was only a couple weeks ago i think i was reporting on a shooting there in a particular section of paris, not a million miles away from this, i believe. i think

you and i have spoken over the phone, but. yeah, what's mood like in paris at the moment? is it kind of a boiling point again? i wouldn't say it's a boiling point. i would rather horrifically say that there's a kind of acceptance of what's going on. i mean, that's a really frightening part of it. i mean , i turned up at god, you mean, i turned up at god, you know, about an hour after this morning's attack, some platform were open again. commuters were going and forwards. i mean , it going and forwards. i mean, it really is incredible. these kind of attacks been going on for many, many years since 2015. and it was early 2015 when the first really bad stabbings took place . but as you quite rightly said, their patrick, just a month ago , about a mile from gatineau in fact, will be half a mile . a man fact, will be half a mile. a man arrested a far right nationalist, he's been described as to shooting sikh dead in cold blood , very, very close to god . blood, very, very close to god. all so these kind of horrific

acts do seem to be happening quite a lot . and the french quite a lot. and the french security state seems to be powerless to do anything about them. it floods the streets with army with police , with their army with police, with their machine guns or whatever. but if one person is going to ask , know one person is going to ask, know when the public learn , that when the public learn, that particular individual who was supposed to be expelled from the country previous criminal record you could argue maybe shouldn't have been allowed have necessarily been allowed in in the place has gone on a rampage in a public area with a knife. six people hurt so i mean there's no there's just a reluctant of this in france is a no i wouldn't want to frame it like that what i would like to say is that there are plenty of people are shocked and terrified by what's going on. i was making the point that it has gone on so long. there's nothing like the

feeling amongst the whole of paris people in paris. the feeling amongst the whole of paris people in paris . the world paris people in paris. the world is crumbling. paris people in paris. the world is crumbling . and i mean, that is crumbling. and i mean, that was certainly was the feeling for those of us who lived through november the 11th, 2015, when 130 people were blown up or mown down by machine gunners in a single night, there's absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever. and i don't want to sort of say that what's happening isn't isn't appalling. of course . appalling. yeah. the of course. appalling. yeah. the paris the capital city. horrific happen and this is unacceptable obviously terrible. but i was just being honest and saying there's gun you know is really and i ask you the question honestly as well because it's interesting to get the mood on the ground. and as you've rightly said, paris has been through the wringer in recent years with a variety of absolutely incidents. absolutely horrific incidents. and understand , i think in and i can understand, i think in a way, it makes it more shocking, it? but i can shocking, doesn't it? but i can understand let understand how people don't let it wash over them. but certainly

this is more commonplace, more than i think any of us would like. of course. peter, thank you very much. yeah. yeah thank you, really you, peter. great stuff. really appreciate for us. appreciate you coming on for us. peter who's a journalist peter allen, who's a journalist based that you be based in paris that loads you be in the inbox and i'm not surprised as well because. a little bit on we're going little bit later on we're going to for few minutes. to be talking for a few minutes. actually, going be actually, i'm going to be talking shamima now, talking about shamima begum now, this bride, the bbc this is the isis bride, the bbc apparently have given the opportunity to completely her image that doubt she image in a way that doubt she will to use in cold as a way will try to use in cold as a way to she's to say that she's been misunderstood and misunderstood thoroughly and should to should be allowed back to britain, a part britain, supposedly a ten part podcast series about shamima begum , in which she says there's begum, in which she says there's so much more to it just analysis behind all this. so much more to it just analysis behind all this . it's not the behind all this. it's not the worst dating show in the world, isn't it's that much you might know of joining and know me of joining isis and looking in bins looking at severed heads in bins and into suicide and selling into suicide vests. but more than that. but i'm much more than that. yeah, absolutely. i know. so really we rehabilitate really, we need to rehabilitate shamima is reputation debate but i do want to hear from you on this because she's lost her view understandably have got strong views pauline the bbc should not

let shamima have the podcast platform . she married a platform. she married a terrorist and, led a life in a terrorist. i mean, he's you could argue with two good reasons why we shouldn't be even thinking about bringing it back in. but yes, should never be in. but yes, she should never be allowed come back. coleen allowed to come back. coleen says if people are against bbc licence payers money giving licence fee payers money giving this the this vile woman ad time, the best to do is cancel best thing to do is cancel your and a rebate . best thing to do is cancel your and a rebate. i'm best thing to do is cancel your and a rebate . i'm inclined and get a rebate. i'm inclined to with you on that. now to agree with you on that. now the bbc for that part are very clear and it's important to. yep, haven't seen yet. we yep, we haven't seen yet. we haven't heard from it. yeah. they it's not just a one they say it's not just a one sided thing of shooting you bake them doing pay off for herself. she was challenged this they she was challenged this and they would to watch it would urge people to watch it and it before. they've and listen to it before. they've also the public also defended the public interest on point interest and on that point i massively with them massively agree with them unequivocally huge unequivocally there is huge pubuc unequivocally there is huge public begum and will public in shamima begum and will i watch or listen to it? yes, probably. but the question for me whether or not she will me is whether or not she will use this. now in called to try to get back into the uk so she will try to garner public

sympathy for the lines . we've sympathy for the lines. we've already heard she was just a child i mean i'm sorry but also wherever parents in all this i would like to think that if my hypothetical were being radicalised to the extent why they decided to buy to go and join a caliphate, a marriage enjoying a death, go over that at some point. i'm about a whiff suspicion about the whole thing. but anyway, we go. it but anyway, there we go. it would be gb coming up, would be gb news. coming up, more whether or not. shamima more on whether or not. shamima begum should a platform begum should be given a platform to share her story in a ten part bbc podcast . to share her story in a ten part bbc podcast. i'll be back in a moment. but first, headlines. patrick, thank you. good evening to you . nhs waiting times and to you. nhs waiting times and strike action dominated the first pmqs of this year with the labour party claiming . the labour party claiming. the government has gone from clapping the nurses , sacking the clapping the nurses, sacking the nurses . the prime clapping the nurses, sacking the nurses. the prime minister quizzed the opposition leader on why he wasn't supporting the government's minimum safety legislation during industrial

action . that comes as up to action. that comes as up to 25,000 ambulance workers across england and are striking today. mr. sunak says minimum service levels for key services be controversial, but keir starmer accused him of being full of empty promises. now people not knowing whether when they call 999, they will get the treatment that they need. now mr. speaker , enough in australia and australia and canada and, the us, they ban strikes on, blue light services. we're not doing that all we're saying is that in these emergency services patients should be able to rely , on a basic level of life saving care why . is he , on a basic level of life saving care why. is he against that, mr. speaker , not promising that, mr. speaker, not promising that, mr. speaker, not promising that people will get see a doctor in a few days like they under labour. he's not promising cancer patients would get urgent treatment . as i said, under treatment. as i said, under laboun treatment. as i said, under labour, he's not even promising an nhs to put patients first like it did underlay. now he's

promising to one day, although we can't say when the record waiting lists will stop growing . i see. after 13 years in government, what does it say . government, what does it say. but the best i can offer is that at some point they might stop making things worse . well, so making things worse. well, so breaking news within the last half hour that's coming to us, we're learning around 100,000 civil servants will go on strike on the 1st of february in an ongoing overjobs, pay and conditions the public and commercial services union includes members of . the 124 includes members of. the 124 government departments and other bodies . conservative mp andrew bodies. conservative mp andrew bridgen, who's had the whip removed with immediate effect following his criticism . the following his criticism. the covid vaccine after he shared a tweet likening it to the holocaust, the chief whip, simon hart, says mr. crossed a line causing great in the process. he said misinformation about the vaccine caused harm as well and cost lives . those are the latest

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of welcome back, everybody. now, shamima begum has stated in a new podcast broadcast about her story by the bbc that her portrayal in the media was responsible for her being viewed as a danger. so, so people like me, it's my fault. it's not the fact that she went to join married a terrorist loads of terrorist kids who sadly passed away. of course. anyway the ten part series focuses on baig journey to join islamic state as 15 year old and has been criticised for granting her a platform . with me now is platform. with me now is political commentator was equal zeke and nigel political editor

sunday mirror and the sunday people . both sides of this people. both sides of this covered that don't give very very much. now nigel your views to begin with do you that the bbc is right to given shamima a platform. absolutely why? it's a matter of public interest. there are and international interest. there are a number of issues here , one of which is do we here, one of which is do we effectively made her stateless ? effectively made her stateless? do we think that she's our responsibility being british. i would have said yes, there would be a question. had her children what would have happened to them on the basis that they would be british? no question about it . british? no question about it. and also a number of other countries are taking their isis people back and they think that is the safest , best thing to do. is the safest, best thing to do. grief, it was it was a call through over to you. do you think the is wrong to give her a platform to do and is done pubuc platform to do and is done public interest element of it by the way i mean am interested in it but whether or not they should have done it is a different question. i don't

think they should dedicated think they should have dedicated so giving. she so much time to giving. she begum for example in the first episode she talks about things that already know so i don't that we already know so i don't know how that's going to be any more in the public interest than what's currently available out there. but just to put that into context, we think about how context, when we think about how much being given , much airtime is being given, thousands of girls , northern thousands of girls, northern industrial towns have been groomed . gangs of academically groomed. gangs of academically british—pakistani men , they british—pakistani men, they haven't been given nearly the same amount of time as she name and. i think in my view that's in the public interest. i mean, it's a fascinating point and it's a fascinating point and it's one i have made numerous times as well. i actually. angela i'll throw it back to you. is there not a concern that the bbc is just given? shamima begum the opportunity to whitewash herself and just go look, hey, i was poor, vulnerable little girl and didn't know what was doing and didn't know what i was doing and it's just like, almost like propaganda , isn't it? she has propaganda, isn't it? she has got a slick pr operation behind nigel. well, mean, think not nigel. well, i mean, i think not so slick pr operation

so much a slick pr operation apart from the one she's running. also what she was saying on podcast, i don't saying on the podcast, i don't think case a great deal think does her case a great deal of what the podcast is of good what the podcast is saying that she planned very saying is that she planned very carefully the way she left carefully the way that she left britain and how she actually met up with isis people. there's no question that she was actually trafficked against her will she exactly what she was doing . none exactly what she was doing. none of that actually enhances case for coming home. so from that point of view, no. i mean, i don't think she does whitewash herself. i was like, oh, sorry your way. really? do you not think the bare minimum whether or not and just me on this whether or not shamima begum is a threat is one thing. whether or not she's so painfully thick that i don't think we need a clogging up the lower end of our benefits sector is another. the that she's saying well you know i don't really pose that much of a threat other than the fact that i was in isis. i mean if she had never been british, surely this is not the kind of person we will be wanting person that we will be wanting in this country anyway, is it?

no.and in this country anyway, is it? no. and that's really no. and that's a really important think important point where we think about who have been about those who have been the people been returned and have been prosecuted . not everyone been prosecuted. not everyone and not every one has been successfully prosecuted. the fact that she's over there doesn't mean that she's always going to stay straight. but it mean that she could still pose a threat. she may think, as you've suggested and, she may be quite smart as and i think those who in the stronghold of isis and in the roj camp, who are there , the roj camp, who are there, trained, still being trained to still a risk. i think we need to really that into consideration when we think of legal and the moral aspect of prosecuting her or whether we want to bring her back. and was it just to stick with you for a second? we have actually allowed quite a large number of returning isis fighters back in. it's like we've pulled up the drawbridge. i mean , was one year where we i mean, was one year where we actually let back in a high

proportion of returning isis fighters in saudi arabia, which is triumph, if think is quite a triumph, if you think about absolutely. and about it. yeah, absolutely. and think that's something that we need consider. this is need to consider. this is stripping of the it stripping someone of the it isn't a first resort for the government. it's a last. and i think government need to really on this. we need to really sort all the counter—terrorism policies and laws out so that we don't need to go so far to the extreme . we are actually extreme. we are actually stripping of their citizenship. and this individual been born and brought up. so i do think we need to be also a little bit of critique towards government in terms of how they deal with this. nigel, i cannot stop relentlessly matter how much i ask to not cover it about talk about strikes and cost living crisis, all this depressing stuff going on. we're talking about hotels constantly being used to house people coming across the channel. so what we are being confronted with is a situation we're being told that people in public sector are too poor to even go to the shops and

cook their own dinner. they've got go to food banks out of the line anyway, whether i believe it not, is a different it or not, is a different question. we've the question. we've got the taxpayers money going to ukraine? got taxpayers money going in a dinghy going to people get in a dinghy and across channel are and come across the channel are you now, nigel you realistically now, nigel say that to waste that we need to waste more taxpayers on someone going taxpayers on someone who's going to jihadi death cult now, to join a jihadi death cult now, wants to back home? wants to come back home? probably for the reason of probably only for the reason of death cult lost. only because she's our responsibility . and she's our responsibility. and yes, i do think she might be a threat. and when she gets here, she'll be picked she'll be she should be picked up immediately. the airport by the service . she should the security service. she should be interviewed . if there is a if be interviewed. if there is a if they can charge her with anything she should appear court and go to jail but quite simply she caught. do you want to pay for all that because i don't. well, you have no choice, then. if she if she is and you accept she's british. well, the argument is that she can get a bangladeshi passport , but the bangladeshi passport, but the bangladeshi passport, but the bangladeshi doesn't to any more than we do. so actually she can't. so at the moment she's

there in syria, unable to get out because she's stateless . and out because she's stateless. and that's why she's our responsibility . one of the responsibility. one of the things i do appreciate about how they are going, by the way, nigel and his massive villainy. there are two sides so there are two sides to this. so was i'll get the final was he. i'll just get the final word over here. nigel hinted there or not she's there as to whether or not she's potentially a threat. potentially still a threat. seemed to say that he thought that might be a lot of that she might be a lot of people she was just a people argue that she was just a child, she actually a child, that she actually isn't a threat anymore. was a bit of threat anymore. she was a bit of an idiot or whatever, be said. do you think she might still be a threat. i there's a threat. i think there's certainly be had certainly a case to be had there. and i there is certainly a case that she is a threat to the fact that at the time sajid javid was the secretary he concluded based on the evidence that we're not to party that she posed a threat and it was not conducive to the public good and he took such an extreme measure to revoke her citizenship. i think , you know, that threat think, you know, that threat doesn't diminish over time. it will stay there for a very time and forever. we don't know. but

the fact that he's taken a step, i think we need to rely on that decision as our. i just want to emphasise . well, was something emphasise. well, was something i thought you a nail in the head with before. i mean the bbc to such incredible lengths try to really downplay the tell for grooming gang scandal for a time. at the time it was the uk's largest grooming gang scandal and now here we have supposedly a ten part podcast series on shamima begum telling her side of the story . it was her side of the story. it was a mind boggles anyway , both of mind boggles anyway, both of you, thank you very much. as political commentator was it was and nigel nelson political editor mirror on the editor sunday mirror on the sunday i have i have to sunday people i have i have to apparently read a statement now from bbc. after the from the bbc. well, after the emails lots of you've been getting in touch with those on the bbc's latest shamima beg of base . catherine says i'm base podcast. catherine says i'm sick to death of people making excuses for shamima begum saying she wasn't responsible because of at 15 years old, of her age at 15 years old, she's old to know from she's old enough to know from wrong. can just wrong. yeah. also, can i just say. i don't think her say. well, i don't think her parents enough for of

parents copied enough for all of this . if your parents copied enough for all of this. if your child does , you this. if your child does, you know it's all right. if they look up the old fruity thing online, maybe as children, i don't know. actually going to the of along with few the lengths of along with a few of their friends fleeing the country the horrors of country to flee the horrors of tower hamlets, to go marry a jihadi syria. i something has jihadi in syria. i something has gone wrong in the home that, sharon do not give shamima sharon says, do not give shamima begum any more press. so about a shower, i'm going to use the bbc's law public interest. bbc's law and public interest. she's the she's vile. keep her out of the country. well i'll agree with you that one. bill says. you on that one. bill says. don't even it the joy of don't even give it the joy of people. the time to listen to a podcast. the bbc shouldn't have released even they released it, even if they believe interest, believe in the public interest, you should never seen or heard from regardless of from again. look, regardless of which it's which way you dress it, it's ehhen which way you dress it, it's either. either an either. it's either an opportunity for to her held to account, which is probably what the bbc will say or is an opportunity for to her put their side of the case forward. the truth is more is somewhere the middle. i'm just not sure it was needed if it makes it any more she ends up back here, then i'm not afraid of it but that we got

just gb news contacted bbc just maybe gb news contacted bbc about a spokesperson about the series. a spokesperson replied it not replied stating it is not a platform for shamima to give her unchallenged . this is a robust unchallenged. this is a robust pubuc unchallenged. this is a robust public investigation which public investigation in which baker has forensically examined who she is and what she really did. we also encourage people to listen the podcast and make up their own mind exactly. we go. right. well, thank you very . and right. well, thank you very. and we've already had a dose of rishi sunak's as he faced keir starmer in the house of commons earlier . starmer in the house of commons earlier. it's men's earlier. it's the dole men's club again it rishi sunak there is keir starmer. yes. over all we need is ed davey. the trifecta of boredom regimes. but he's you to hate your screens again this evening. people are right as he delivers his first broadcast of the nation as prime minister. i'll be a bit gripping . so you're not going? how's the broadcast yesterday? his twitter account, video been met with account, the video been met with scepticism by many . they've been scepticism by many. they've been left wondering what left wondering exactly what rishi sunak's message to them will have will be. let's just have a little look at rishi sunak's trailer , i guarantee that your

trailer, i guarantee that your priorities will be my priorities . i will only promise that i can deliver and i will deliver on my promise . i deliver and i will deliver on my promise. i will only promise we'll deliver . promise. i will only promise we'll deliver. i will promise. i will only promise we'll deliver . i will deliver we'll deliver. i will deliver what i promise . okay. charlie what i promise. okay. charlie rowley joins me now, a former special adviser to michael gove, who i think got increasingly maybe plenty . people are maybe plenty. people are wondering why on earth he isn't running the country. but there you go. maybe you advise him to do that you have no idea what do that if you have no idea what on is he not doing ? on earth is he not doing doing? well hi, patrick. i think if you were saying that i should be running the country. they're all michael gove. i'm. i think, to be honest. you to be honest with you, charlie, i'd take either at this point, but carry out i don't either is a prospect don't think either is a prospect but very i mean look, but that's very i mean look, i think we're going to hear anything particularly new from , anything particularly new from, rishi, tonight. i think it will be of the same of what we had at

the start of the new year in his year's speech. so you'll be talking about the tough economic situation we will find ourselves in. it'll be about halving inflation, but probably going to a explanation. so a bit more explanation. so halving inflation because inflation is the number one cost of living impact . most people in of living impact. most people in the country . it'll be about the country. it'll be about reducing the debt. it'll be about the economy dealing with the nhs and getting on top of those long waiting that we're heanng those long waiting that we're hearing about and stopping the small boats, those are the five priorities that he just just forgive me, charlie . this now we forgive me, charlie. this now we did have rishi sunak unfurling his five priorities. he did take questions on that from the british. he answered them. and then we've had prime minister's questions. time how does it go? there's clues in the name. and now we've got released. but what i mean, what? why hasn't he already told us all of this stuff? why we going to stuff? why are we going to change on march six? change him on march six? whatever is up. well if, unlike you or me that, i'm able to

watch pmqs think it's just an opportunity to ensure that he can maximise the message as many people as possible. so hopefully the rounds, i think it's 6:30 around that time, you know, it makes people hopefully be at home watching, their telly, they can have a direct address from the prime minister to , as i say, the prime minister to, as i say, reach out to them to start the new, repeat, repeat, repeat new, to repeat, repeat, repeat the his priorities the message that his priorities , the country's priorities and he's only going to focus what he's only going to focus on what matters to people the most. and thatis matters to people the most. and that is , as you say, stopping that is, as you say, stopping the boats, growing and the small boats, growing the and deaung the small boats, growing the and dealing nhs. dealing with the nhs. charlie you're, you're ideas guy , you're, you're an ideas guy, you've clearly, clearly got a brain the size of a planner. can people not be advising rishi soon not to have a bit of an ideological tug thumping vision? we don't need to damage limitation. we don't need sticking plaster . we don't want sticking plaster. we don't want our only promise . well, i can our only promise. well, i can deliver and deliver what i. where's the ambition ? well, i where's the ambition? well, i think it's just a reflection on

the current situation that we find ourselves in the economy . find ourselves in the economy. well, the economy is a very, very tough place . we've seen very tough place. we've seen more people make that crossing the more people than ever before , over 140,000 now, 150,000 already. that is a real concern to people, whether you're in the south of kent or whether in a red wall seat up in the north of england. so it's about reaching out to the entire country to say these are the problems that we currently find ourselves in. i know i'm the man to get on and deal with them. all right, charlie, can very, charlie, luck can key, very, very charlie, ever. very much, charlie, as ever. charlie former charlie rowley, that former special michael . yes, special adviser to michael. yes, apparently , rishi sunak is going apparently, rishi sunak is going to be on your side the way. can't say there's no point watching it. there's no point watching it. there's no point watching rishi sunak has to watching what rishi sunak has to say. had say. rajeev sunak has had a chance earlier on last week to deliver his point plan, which he did. took questions from deliver his point plan, which he did. sincek questions from deliver his point plan, which he did. since thenestions from deliver his point plan, which he did. since then we've from deliver his point plan, which he did. since then we've .rom deliver his point plan, which he did. since then we've . heard that. since then we've. heard from starmer. we might from keir starmer. we might heard from davey, although no heard from ed davey, although no one knows because is just one knows because that is just the to the dons club

the trifecta to the dons club and one ever the picture. and no one ever has the picture. so missing poster for ed davey so a missing poster for ed davey earlier on, then we've had prime minister's questions today. earlier on, then we've had prime minister's questions today . so minister's questions today. so what you should be doing instead thinking to thinking about turning over to rishi sunak's ball, the rishi sunak's a ball, the backside of you. half six as he said. tuned because we've said. stay tuned because we've got james in cobra. time is got james in cobra. this time is with carver, who is right with emily carver, who is right here studio with us. and here in the studio with us. and we'll be delivering something much more interesting than rishi sunak's in the side of sunak's ball in the back side of the what will you go the nation. what will you go for? thank you much. for? thank you very much. although be thank you although we will be thank you for me up so nicely. you for taking me up so nicely. you don't thank me live. we will be talking a little bit about rishi sunak has an image sunak and whether has an image problem. one researcher said there's a sort of miliband with prada shoes . no problem when it prada shoes. no problem when it comes sunak . prada shoes. no problem when it comes sunak. is he little comes to sunak. is he a little bit naff ? we're also going to be bit naff? we're also going to be talking about the over fifties. why going back to why aren't they going back to work why are many of them work or why are so many of them not? i want know if the not? i want to know if the workplace actually become a bit of a place older of a hostile place for older workers . so much focus, so much workers. so much focus, so much h.r. nonsense. unconscious bias training group think it's all

about the young ones. is it actually a bit of a hostile place nowadays . and also i'm place nowadays. and also i'm going to be looking at whether the bbc should have given a platform to shamima begum well what do you , what do you think what do you, what do you think about what i think , i think it's about what i think, i think it's deeply uncomfortable. it is, it is deeply uncomfortable. obviously i just can see the horrifying time when a judge in a court of law in this country is played clips of a interview the bbc of help facility which in turn helps out and just yeah i do think they should be doing it when she wants now to be of course she's involved in a massive case get her british citizenship back it seems like that could be interfering but there is public interest. as a journalist myself, i hope my hands. if there is public interest in it, we're talking it. i think what will be fascinating me is because it's a podcast, we'll be able to it so well have no idea whether or not she's burqa off and she's taking the burqa off and put the lippy back on. but there we so final thoughts on we go. so final thoughts on shamima begum being, given a

platform susan says, platform by the bbc, susan says, i my tv licence. who i will not be my tv licence. who do they they are. good do they think they are. good looks i tried that by the looks is i tried that by the way. on the door way. i got knock on the door from some rather people who told me the army might go to prison. and make sure you've got and so just make sure you've got your before you in your ducks in row before you in a of pique, not to a fit of pique, decide not to pay a fit of pique, decide not to pay licence fee. you're pay your licence fee. you're with me, patrick christys. at least you've with me. thank you very much. stuck with this 10:30 pm. emily carver. we'll be back p.m. emily carver. we'll be back next, going to light of next, she's going to light of your till and your screen six till seven and then i'm back in for mark steyn. yes know me too. eight till nine. so i will see you then. all right. take it easy before dark. you went up . oh, again. dark. you went up. oh, again. it's aidan mcgivern here . the it's aidan mcgivern here. the met office yet more wind and rain on the way during the rest of day and into the next few wettest in the south. windiest in the western scales. fact to the north, in particular thursday the weather staying very unsettled at the moment, numerous lows in charge and although it's been a showery for many on wednesday we're going to see more prolonged rain arrive overnight affect southern areas

in particular into thursday you see the rain quickly arriving northern ireland western england, wales through the night affecting southern scotland for affecting southern scotland for a time as well. the wettest weather there will be across wales, in the south—west of england, hills, 60 to 80 england, over hills, 60 to 80 millimetres falling to millimetres falling on to saturated could cause some real issues by the end of the night that's accompanied by gales 50 to 65 mile per hour wind gusts around shores, a marked contrast northern scotland where it starts calm, clear and frosty. first thing thursday . but we're first thing thursday. but we're going to see some rain , too, on going to see some rain, too, on thursday morning. that's going to push into the colder air and we'll see some snow above 400 metres over central scotland showers, replacing rain elsewhere. quite lively showers once again or 13 celsius in the south, a blustery wind from the southwest , 6 to 7 further north southwest, 6 to 7 further north and turning increase . windy for and turning increase. windy for western scotland in particular. northern as we end thursday, gales or severe gales around

exposed coast here those gales pushing into the irish sea pushing into the irish sea pushing spells of rain east across the uk, followed by showers as we start off friday. so friday starts frost free because of strong wind across the country. but it's a fresh start in the south. seven or eighteen compared with the 12 and 13 will see on thursday morning . and there'll be quite morning. and there'll be quite a number of showers coming through on the breeze the breeze becomes well less gusty as we head into the skies become brighter well but still some showers around . but still some showers around. then another spell of rain on saturday, clearing away by the start of sunday this year on we've got brand new members in the family join us across the entire united kingdom we cover the issues that matter to you gb news will always stay honest , news will always stay honest, balanced and fair. we want to hear whatever is on your mind . hear whatever is on your mind. we don't talk down to you the establishment. had their chance now we're here to represent you britons watching come join on tv

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at 6 pm. that means it's time for james and co without michelle, of course, but with me emily carver. so tonight the government and opposition are scratching their heads on to how get the oval office back into work. one way to boost the economy, of course, but i'm asking, has the workplace actually become a little bit of actually become a little bit of a hostile place for older people? we've got h.r. departments having a field day imposing things like unconscious bias training, awareness of micro aggressions, diversity quotas . is it actually enough to quotas. is it actually enough to put people off going