channel on the day of yet another ambulance strike, rishi sunak talks tough in the house of commons about the government's new laws. to make sure we get a minimum level of service. starmer doesn't agree. we'll debate whether the government have this one right. we'll also talk about starmer's performance and rishi's performance in particular today and later on this evening. and a party election broadcast is he really cutting the mustard with conservative voters .7 i'll be

conservative voters? i'll be joined doctors who've joined by some doctors who've grouped they grouped together to say they know how to treat covid 19 and they claim almost 100% success rate. joining me on talking pints, senior republican. he's a senator from utah , mike lee. senator from utah, mike lee. i'll be asking him about what on earth went on on capitol hill last week. american politics becoming almost as farcical as british politics was in 2022. but before all of that, let's get more news with holly. middle east . nigel get more news with holly. middle east. nigel thank you and good evening to you. nhs waiting times and the threat of strikes dominated the first pmqs news of the year today with the labour party claiming the government has gone from clapping the nurses to sacking the nurses . nurses to sacking the nurses. the prime minister quizzed the opposition leader on why he wasn't supporting the government's proposed minimum safety legislation, which seeks to ensure a minimum standard of service by key workers during

strike action. sir keir starmer responded by saying that if rishi sunak had negotiated with nhs , they wouldn't be on strike nhs, they wouldn't be on strike in the first place. australia and canada and the us they banned strikes on blue light services . we're not doing that. services. we're not doing that. all we're saying is that in these emergency services, patients should be able to rely on a basic level of life saving care . why is he against that? care. why is he against that? mr. speaker, he's not promising that people will get to see a doctor in a few days like they take underlay up. he's not promising that cancer patients would get urgent treatment as they did under labour. he's not even promising an nhs that puts patients first like it did under labour. patients first like it did under labour . no, patients first like it did under labour. no, he's promising. no the one day. although we can't say when the record high waiting list will stop growing . in other list will stop growing. in other news , conservative mp andrew news, conservative mp andrew bridgen has had the whip removed after he shared a tweet. compare the covid vaccines after effects on cardiac health with the

holocaust . the chief whip, simon holocaust. the chief whip, simon hart, said mr. bridgen had crossed a line and that misinformation about the vaccine caused harm and cost lives. misinformation about the vaccine caused harm and cost lives . the caused harm and cost lives. the prime minister has called the comments utterly unacceptable . a comments utterly unacceptable. a 22 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after the shooting of a woman on christmas eve . 26 year old elle christmas eve. 26 year old elle edwards was killed at a pub in wallasey on merseyside but was not believed to be the intended target of the attack . a 23 year target of the attack. a 23 year old woman has also been arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender . the foreign on suspicion of assisting an offender. the foreign minister has called for the immediate release of a british iranian national due to be executed by iran. aliriza akbari, a former senior defence official, was reportedly arrested in 2019 for spying for british intelligence. james cleverly has called his planned execution a politically motivated act by a barbaric machine that has total disregard for human life . flights in the

for human life. flights in the united states are beginning to resume after a mass computer outage forced all aircraft to be temporarily grounded . over 4000 temporarily grounded. over 4000 flights were delayed and more than 600 were cancelled due to the failure. the white house says there's currently no evidence of a cyberattack, but joe biden has ordered an investigation that's set you up to date on tv and dab+ radio. it was gb news where? now it's time for thurrott . for thurrott. well westminster 2023 is now in full swing . yes, we've had full swing. yes, we've had a prime minister's questions the day we've even had a party political broadcast on behalf of the conservative party will analyse all of those . but what analyse all of those. but what dominated prime minister's questions? perhaps unsurprisingly , on the day of unsurprisingly, on the day of yet another ambulance strike,

was the government's approach to this legislation that was laid down before the house of commons by grant shapps yesterday. rishi sunak defending the government's position . i thought actually position. i thought actually quite robustly and interestingly for rishi sunak, you know, he was going on the offensive, he was going on the offensive, he was going on the offensive, he was going on the front foot. keir starmer did not respond to the question which was basically other english speaking countries and european countries have a minimum level of service on blue light services. in fact, some countries banned strikes in those areas . will you or will those areas. will you or will you not agree to which starmer responded by basically saying, look, if you treated the staff better and negotiated before , better and negotiated before, the strikes would never have happened , but carried on with happened, but carried on with the theme that the nhs basically isn't working. but i actually think for once the government are in the right position on this and i think if not to begin

with , but over the course of the with, but over the course of the next couple of weeks, i think pubuc next couple of weeks, i think public opinion will swing behind the government. the reason i say thatis the government. the reason i say that is those of us in work now pay that is those of us in work now pay water tax, but only ones known in living memory. surely if we dial 999 because somebody has had a heart attack , surely has had a heart attack, surely they deserve an ambulance to come to them. and i think that line of logic, if rishi continues to push it with passion and with vigour , will passion and with vigour, will win around public opinion. that's my view. please give me your view. is the government right and its approach to these pubuc right and its approach to these public sector strikes? give me your thoughts. farage at gb news dot uk . now joining me down the dot uk. now joining me down the line is matt taylor , a line is matt taylor, a paramedic. matt a very good evening to you . yeah he is evening to you. yeah he is coming . right? well, we can't

coming. right? well, we can't wait around all day, can we? we will get matt back because matt is a paramedic. i'm joined by kelvin mackenzie, former editor of , the sun, kelvin mackenzie, former editor of, the sun, and somebody who's spoken out quite strongly on these strikes . it is considered these strikes. it is considered a basic human right for people to be able to withdraw their laboun to be able to withdraw their labour. and we understand that we might not like strikes, but we might not like strikes, but we understand that. and strikes have been around since pretty much tudor times . i think we've much tudor times. i think we've known this country almost a do you think that the government is right to try to legislate for a level of service on vital sectors? would you go further and say the strikes should not be allowed at all? that's where i'd go for something like the ambulance workers and it's astonishing . the 999, quote, astonishing. the 999, quote, handlers are now on strike. been going on strike in six hour

blocks. they decided very kindly. that's very nice of you . so nice of you not to do it for 24 hours. so and then then the manager get involved in this and then beg the public look unless you are literally going to die or your relatives think you're going to die, please don't call us. try and get somebody to take it by car. do you know what i find extraordinary about this? that our country is so inured to the actions of public sector workers to damaging and destroying their lives that they just say , oh, lives that they just say, oh, well, that's it , don't feel like well, that's it, don't feel like that. i think it's a shocking thing to think. that. i think it's a shocking thing to think . and i say this thing to think. and i say this over and over again , the idea over and over again, the idea that if you drop mum phones over , shatters a hip and, that you and your relatives or your friends or your neighbours have to work out a way to because she's not you know, i think it's category one now, she's not a

category one now, she's not a category two or category three to work out the way that you take her to and while she's screaming in pain , i'm going to screaming in pain, i'm going to stop you there. i'm going to go to matt taylor , paramedic who we to matt taylor, paramedic who we now do have on the line. matt good evening. good evening. nigel, can you hear me now ? i'm nigel, can you hear me now? i'm at the argument is being put here in the studio by kevin mckenzie, which i'd rather agree with, is, you know, we are law abiding taxpayers in this country and. if our elderly mother, you know , falls to the mother, you know, falls to the floor and is at risk of losing her life, surely , but surely she her life, surely, but surely she deserves an ambulance to come to her? she certainly does . and so her? she certainly does. and so does everybody, not just the gentleman's mum. let's give some context to the conversation, shall we? give some back story for the general public? so they can understand why we're in the situation we're in during situation that we're in during 2021, when we dismissed 40,000 care workers cause i didn't necessarily agree with the current that were being current mandates that were being pushed them. we 40,000 care

pushed on them. we 40,000 care workers in care homes and domiciliary , which means care in domiciliary, which means care in the community. for looking after your relatives when they get discharged from hospital. now, if you have hospital beds that are filling hospital with patients ready for discharge and if there are no carers in the community to look after these patients, they can't be discharged from the wards if they can't be discharged from they can't be discharged from the wards, there's beds the wards, there's no beds for them moved to from a&e them to be moved to from a&e department downstairs . so as a department downstairs. so as a result of that, no beds in a&e get available or become free. therefore the ambulances can't offload the patients, which creates queue therefore those creates a queue. therefore those ambulance at hospital, ambulance get stuck at hospital, can't discharge can't afford the patients and can't go back out to pick up more patients . so as to pick up more patients. so as a general rule of thumb, that i got a second, but matt. matt matt. bear with me. bear with me . almost 40,000 care workers i've campaign on this program say it's complete wrong and they should have the option of getting their jobs back . i getting their jobs back. i really have very, very strongly

on your general comment about the current failed things of the nhs. you know, the 13th thousand people in beds that don't need to be there all of those things, ambulances arriving and not able to take patients. i get all of that. i'm with you. i understand the problem i believe the nhs is broken and needs a rethink. however however, the point that i make is surely the government is right to say that we need legislation with ambulances, for example , and nurses and doctors example, and nurses and doctors to say that. i minimum level of serve this will be guaranteed. surely that is the right thing to do. what i would argue the compassionate to do is guaranteed . everybody that was guaranteed. everybody that was on strike was on the picket, was still available for cut one calls if required, or the people that were on the picket line were off shift. never has there been an ambulance station complete manned that when complete on manned so that when calls are coming in there is no one to respond to? and i want to

point last strike that point out the last strike that happened ambulance crew happened with the ambulance crew was one of quietest times. happened with the ambulance crew was ofa of quietest times. happened with the ambulance crew was ofa of quietesttest times. happened with the ambulance crew was ofa of quietest daysimes. happened with the ambulance crew was ofa of quietest days ines. one of the quietest days in recent months. so the general pubuc recent months. so the general public well aware of what public were well aware of what was and the demand for was going on and the demand for calls so it been one calls went down. so it been one of quietest 24 hour periods of the quietest 24 hour periods in time. so it's i get in a long time. so it's i get what you nigel. i really what you say, nigel. i really do. what i don't appreciate do. but what i don't appreciate and lots of other care workers and lots of other care workers and health professionals don't appreciate people who appreciate is other people who don't deciding and don't work in care deciding and discussing is think discussing what it is they think will work a care environment will work in a care environment . would give opportunity . i would give an opportunity for health professional for any health care professional at members of parliament, at mp members of parliament, anyone to come in an ambulance for 12 hours and work in any for 12 hours and then come out with the same of what they had when they went in and i appreciate that the general public aren't always what's going always aware of what's going on and told things and they were only told things for tinted glasses to for rose tinted glasses to trigger or to sway with whatever party to party narratives they want to push. time, no one ever push. at the time, no one ever really sits and talks to the people on law on people that, work on the law on the front line. so that's basically basically you more money, you're arguing just

money, but you're arguing just just give me a quick answer to this. you're asking raising eventually even , though, never eventually even, though, never said nothing money. said nothing about money. alright. know, alright. well you know, i started walking across the pubuc started walking across the public sector generally public sector are generally about listen what the about my work i listen what the if the problem we have at the moment is the unions unfortunately us unfortunately represent us in certain now don't certain aspects now i don't agree with the unions using the wage over the working wage increase over the working conditions personally and i know that most staff it's the working conditions that are a more of an issue than the wage increase. the will just help the wage increase will just help with stop people with retention to stop people leaving, the leaving, which would make the situation worse, which is situation even worse, which is what we're trying to prevent at the moment. fact that the moment. now the fact that none the people wanted to sit none of the people wanted to sit down discuss anything for down to discuss anything for weeks our weeks on end. that's not our ehhen weeks on end. that's not our either. only 50% of people voted at care at all the health care professionals. of professionals. only 50% of people to strike. another people voted to strike. another 50% of people either didn't vote or too scared to vote. now, i know lots of people are too afraid to really speak up and talk about the situation in things they are seeing front line. going on for line. this has been going on for a time. nigel right, but a long time. nigel right, but those that in is those of us that work in nhs is normal. the problem we've got

now is the ambulances been now is the ambulances have been stuck. i and so they can't be discharged. always been discharged. there's always been delays the delays for patients. i get the point. don't code them, but point. we don't code them, but are always delays are always been delays for patients unfortunately that's not system gets not our fault. the system gets abused sometimes the trillion calls accurate as it could calls in as accurate as it could be. plethora of be. there's a plethora of information, a of information, a plethora of reasons. but no one is sitting there, st said , striking. so i'm there, st said, striking. so i'm not going respond that is not going to respond that is not happening. the priority happening. and the main priority you may made that point, but you've made the point with great passion. thank you for coming on the line . well, kelvin , it was the line. well, kelvin, it was difficult to disagree with his analysis , so hold on a second. analysis, so hold on a second. i agree that there are condition and yeah, you know , these are and yeah, you know, these are exceptional times . nhs has exceptional times. nhs has turned out to be completely . i turned out to be completely. i know we all clapped it two years ago. yeah. the envy of the world. yeah. well, what should we do now if we're going to be dnven we do now if we're going to be driven by emotions in relation the nhs, we should all do it now. 7:00 i mean, that is the

reality of it. what he didn't address and by the way, that was quite an interesting response. he is we he was basically saying is we don't money, we want don't want the money, we want conditions that also conditions as well. that also but he wasn't a union represented . he wasn't a union. represented. he wasn't a union. and i reckon will get an absolute bucket . so thank you absolute bucket. so thank you very much indeed for that. so but it deal with the issue that this time 999 call handlers came in he didn't do to deal with the issue the only if you literally very very ill write literally on death's door was an ambulance going to turn out . yeah so going to turn out. yeah so that's a change and they said both unison and know that this is the start of a long campaign. well how much worse is it going to get is it next time category one is it next time a bomb goes in in manchester? nobody out. how political is this ? i think how political is this? i think for the trade union leaders, this is a matter of this. for the trade union leaders, this is a matter of this . they this is a matter of this. they are now in the situation where their left is and they may well

be left is in the cells. i mean, some shockers. i mean, the guy the guy who the guy who runs ? the guy who the guy who runs? the fire brigades union. oh, my god. if you looked at his background, young socialist social socialists, and then finally he gives it up. it's back to the seventies, isn't it? it seventies. and there it. it the seventies. and there it. why? because somebody is listening to them for the first time. the amount of trade unionism in our country is obviously collapsed over years. i'm old enough to remember wilson saying to jack jones and hugh scanlan , get your tanks off hugh scanlan, get your tanks off my lawn . and that is the my lawn. and that is the situation i think that rishi i have i rishi has got a bumpy ride i admire the fact he's bought this in. i don't admire the circumstances . he should the circumstances. he should have done it when there was none . this today, he pretty much got it right in your view, heywood? he was brilliant . he punched out he was brilliant. he punched out keir starmer on a very difficult gove. mackenzie as ever . well gove. mackenzie as ever. well guys, you know, it's a very,

very powerful, emotive debate around essential public services. but to i think today the prime minister got it right very often i don't think that at a moment when i realise deeply he has performed today not just in the house of commons, what would the policy broadcast that was put out tonight by conservatives? and i'll ask the question is he really cut the mustard with tory voters .

so do you agree with me ? do you so do you agree with me? do you think rishi pretty much got it right today? one viewer says government has a duty care to the population of the country . the population of the country. so minimum service levels for health and fire service is a great we are just following what many countries around the world

have. absolutely. and sunak did make that point in the house of commons today and made it well. civilised countries have emergency services that work the circumstances is view . one more circumstances is view. one more comment stuart says yes, but i'm not keen on using it or using it to cure the present problem. can't change rules halfway through the game . when actually through the game. when actually do you know what ? i'll tell you do you know what? i'll tell you something. the trade unions have been changing the rules through the game. the government's allowed respond in that way . now allowed respond in that way. now let's have a quick look at tonight's party election broadcast to begin . this is the broadcast to begin. this is the image that rishi sunak was giving this evening. i know this has been a tough . i country has been a tough. i country faces some of the biggest challenges any of us will have seen in our lifetimes with our economy and, our nhs on our borders . three months ago, i was borders. three months ago, i was

brought in to fix those challenges . now brought in to fix those challenges. now i brought in to fix those challenges . now i want to give challenges. now i want to give you a full update on our progress . well, that's the progress. well, that's the image. that's the style. that's energy that he was injecting into tonight's broadcast . energy that he was injecting into tonight's broadcast. but that's just the two areas he really focussed on to raise one. this is what he had to say about the nhs . difficult decisions the nhs. difficult decisions also allowed us to give the nhs record resources more funding, more more nurses . every family more more nurses. every family worries about getting the nhs care they need for themselves . care they need for themselves. parents, grandparents or children. but covid has done huge harm to the. it's created backlogs which we're working through. but britain's heroic response to covid shows that where the political will exists to really grip a problem , we can to really grip a problem, we can bnng to really grip a problem, we can bring everyone in together and

achieve the unthinkable. are are. well. they are. the nhs is all going to be absolutely fine. and finally he's going to stop the boats. have a listen to this. it's simply not right that people come here illegally . it's people come here illegally. it's unfair on those who follow the rules , on those who really rules, on those who really deserve our help. and above , deserve our help. and above, it's unfair on british taxpayers. it must stop under my government . it will stop. we're government. it will stop. we're taking decisive action , taking decisive action, deploying hundreds of new agents to tackle criminals , putting an to tackle criminals, putting an end to the situation where taxpayers are paying to keep illegal migrants in hotel bills. and we'll new laws that make it unambiguously that if you come to our country illegally , you to our country illegally, you will not have the right to and will not have the right to and will be removed . well, we've

will be removed. well, we've heard that one before, haven't we? now, joining me is madeleine ground sketch writer, columnist on the daily telegraph and you spend a considerable amount of your working life writing about performances leading performances, leading politicians . it was interesting. politicians. it was interesting. there was a comment on politico saying that tory mps were not happy with sunak in the house of commons today. what did you think of his approach today? i actually think he did really well in general. i think was well in general. i think it was actually a move of him to actually a good move of him to be a bit more attacking and less on defensive when it comes on the defensive when it comes to issues like, for example, use of private health care. he finally said, in finally came out and said, in the past, i have private the past, i have used private health care. i hold on a second. he was totally blairite. how you use private health care? i've used it in depending . use private health care? i've used it in depending. right. yes, it is. yes, it is. a bit blairite. but nevertheless, i mean, i think that was an improvement on the kind of hedgi defensiveness that we've had so far. and then he really took labour on certain issues labour to task on certain issues . afterwards, it like . afterwards, it felt like a

different approach and actually made a refreshing change made quite a refreshing change from the kind of approach that we see in videos , what we would we see in videos, what we would just watch. well i'm with you. i think did pretty well in the house of commons today. and he was really pointing at starmer asking direct questions, which starmer didn't answer. i think, you know i think he did win that today. but then you get that party election broadcast and there he is . party election broadcast and there he is. he's party election broadcast and there he is . he's sitting at a there he is. he's sitting at a desk and he's buttoned up and he's got the flags. and you sort of see he's reading off the all secured that is wooden as hell, isn't it? it's so wooden and it's really hard to inject any of organic feeling or emotion is that very few politicians have the gift and it's even harder to achieve it when you're sitting behind a table in your suit, not moving very much, staring firmly at the autocue. it's just it's not a winner. and it's a shame because actually, off the cuff, i often see the prime minister doing things a lot better. mean

yeah.i doing things a lot better. mean yeah. i guess after the chaos of bofis yeah. i guess after the chaos of boris johnson, who you know, you wrote at the time that he was the his own downfall . i the author his own downfall. i think probably agree with think i'd probably agree with that after the chaos of that. but after the chaos of boris, i guess they're trying to give of stability . but give this look of stability. but is it i mean, you know, you're there at the telegraph. is this really working, your readers? i wouldn't say i mean, i can't speak for all our readers that there is would say there there is i would say there are different of opinion. different camps of opinion. there few people who there are quite a few people who really think that was a mistake to boris the first to get rid of boris in the first place, that he should come back. he's the man for the job, to save day. come riding the save the day. come riding to the rescue. there's another school save the day. come riding to the resthoughtere's another school save the day. come riding to the resthoughtere's says|er school save the day. come riding to the resthoughtere's says that:hool save the day. come riding to the resthoughtere's says that liz)l of thought that says that liz truss was right in the essentials and that she shouldn't jettisoned shouldn't have been jettisoned her and then there's her own party. and then there's also people who think, also a lot of people who think, well, not be perfect, well, mrs. might not be perfect, but utterly but it would be utterly ridiculous of him and ridiculous to get rid of him and try to install someone else. so you've got to work with what you have and try bring the party have and try to bring the party together. a of our together. i mean, a lot of our readers party split readers thought party split three ways. i'll speak to free together. it's not great. together. it's not very great. but on issue we haven't

but on another issue we haven't touched about, andrew this touched about, andrew on this show, know everybody now show, and i know everybody now will heard who he is. up will have heard who he is. up until a few weeks ago , he until a few weeks ago, he was a sensation on media for young people and young males in particular. i've written about this the telegraph recently. we will not go into the court case that's going on in romania and the very serious allegations that are made against him . but that are made against him. but he does actually make some important that young are encouraged not to behave the way that young males always have done.i that young males always have done. i think that's the problem, because 95% of what andrew tate says is i think, brash , deeply misogynistic. you brash, deeply misogynistic. you know, he uses words like know, he just spews these words out like confetti. but i think there was 5% of what he says that may be onto something. and i think the tragedy is and the reason that that people like tate these kind of type men who are making a career out of being brash and rude and unpleasant and not projecting the right kind of values to young men, in my

opinion, is because there are many that we're not even even vaguely allowed talk about now. i mean, even the issue of whether there are biological sex differences between men and women, if that is taboo , then women, if that is taboo, then how we to have how are we to have a conversation ? what young conversation? what role young men could in society? and i think that there's this real gulf in discussion. and of course, when there's the gulf opportunists and grifters and charlatans will come in, you know, young white males . oh, now know, young white males. oh, now one of the groups in society , one of the groups in society, see, that are doing least well . see, that are doing least well. yeah. so there is a real issue . yeah. so there is a real issue. there is a real issue here and i think if we are often told that feminism is about gender equality, i think if that is truly the case, then feminists need to have a bit more to say about this stuff. quite frankly, anyone even mentioning these issues is often liable to be dismissed as a sort of, you know, a misogynist or a sort of men's rights activist or . the men's rights activist or. the fact that tate got such a big following, despite the fact amongst the good that he did say

there was some pretty offensive stuff. yeah, i'd say the share of what you said was was pretty bad.so of what you said was was pretty bad. so why did build up such bad. so why did he build up such a following? well, i mean, a big following? well, i mean, this problem. think there this is the problem. think there is a crisis in is there's clearly a crisis in masculinity crisis in how masculinity and a crisis in how young view themselves. and young men view themselves. and society them. and i think society views them. and i think that i also think just not everyone who followed him will have necessarily agreed with everything. i mean, i think there was a certain amount of irreverent, value, irreverent, huge shock value, you things like you know he'll say things like people ask me, why do you have a green bugatti? i said to them, where's bugatti this? is where's your bugatti this? is this of this stuff is kind this some of this stuff is kind of doesn't necessarily of it doesn't necessarily mean that as a kind of that you follow him as a kind of prophet or idol if you happen to follow like a lot do, but a lot did and also a lot of paid $50 a month to access his . yeah, we month to access his. yeah, we had self—help schemes. he made a lot of money somehow madeleine grant you. and see us grant thank you. come and see us again . in moment, i'm going to again. in a moment, i'm going to speak some doctors who've speak to some doctors who've grouped together. they say they can . and ever a big can cure. and if ever a big outbreak ever happens again, save us all a fortune. their

views may be controversial , but views may be controversial, but it interesting .

an organisation, global organisation called frontline doctors have said that between them they've got a success rate in dealing with people with covid symptoms . approaching 100. covid symptoms. approaching 100. they argue that if they'd been listened to, they could have saved for this government about 500 billion sterling that we spent on the pandemic. let's listen to what they have to say. they're certainly alternative views. i'm going to begin by going to south africa and talking to dr. shankar chetty and dr. chetty. let me just ask you , as the first up on this, you, as the first up on this, the twitter files that have been

recently showed, there was a level of censorship of debate. to what extent were you as a doctor forbidden from speaking about treatments that you thought might have been suitable . in thought might have been suitable. in right. that's not working. let's try somebody else. let's go to dr. robert repeatedly , who also dr. robert repeatedly, who also is in south africa, a gp in cape town. robert, can you hear me? yes, i can hear you, miss farage. thank you for having me. yeah i was asking your colleague about the extent of censorship that there was existing. but can i ask robert , you know what? all i ask robert, you know what? all these treatments that you were using that were different to what the who. and the other

organisations were saying? we stick with ? i think for stick with? i think for starters, firstly mr. farage, is that we didn't follow the narrative that said you do not treat early, you send people home and you wait till get off blue in the face. we them immediately because that's, that's been the norm all the time . you treat you get them in time. you treat you get them in the but early and you treat and drugs we use the repurposed drugs we use the repurposed drugs and i will listen to very quickly. it's ivermectin hydrochloride i drugstore which is a anti—malarial repurposed doxy cyclin or it's fomites and believe it or not a pump that used for asthma but then aside pumped and then we use the antihistamines and. it depended on the presentation the case we used prednisone silver as a to manipulate ice with and then there were pharmacies critical stuffs like vitamin d, vitamin c, zinc , a simple thing like

c, zinc, a simple thing like saline and washes in the nose and the throat because 90% of your virus resides in the nose and throat, you wash that a day. they did a study in lucknow where they did too many. yeah. and a medical group . i'm going and a medical group. i'm going to i'm going to rub it. i'm going to i'm going to stop you there. you've given us a very comprehensive list, but i'm going to go to malibu in the going to go now to malibu in the usa and talk dr. sabine hazan at dr. hazan, can you hear me ? yes. dr. hazan, can you hear me? yes. can you hear me and you have. yeah, absolutely. just to ask. yes, i can. just to you know, robert, there a list of drugs that were used that you guys believed to be, if they diagnose correctly, up 100% effective. why if a big group of doctors you have this level of conviction , why, oh, why? oh, conviction, why, oh, why? oh, why ? well, the who. and the why? well, the who. and the fda not prepared to listen it

because they're not listening to on the frontline that i've treated . that should have been treated. that should have been the number one thing to do is listening to doctors that have research lives to go treat patient and expose themselves to patients . patient and expose themselves to patients. i'm going to show you two pictures. oxygen saturation, 73% and four days later, 95. do you see that now ? did that. you see that now? did that. i don't know. oxygen treatment. they don't understand . the virus they don't understand. the virus understanding that to kill a virus , you need a strong gut virus, you need a strong gut microbiome . well, that was the microbiome. well, that was the most important thing to understand from this pandemic. and that was not explored and that was censored. and by the i'm not part of the frontline and i just want to explain, i was actually the physician that did the clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin toxicity cleared with the fda. what so important. okay

now i'm going to leave. i'm going to i'm to give a final word on this, a final short word on this to dr. jackie stone, british gp, currently in zimbabwe. so, jackie, could we have saved ourselves in country? you know , 500 billion sterling you know, 500 billion sterling if we've listened to you guys , i if we've listened to you guys, i would have said 549 billions dunng would have said 549 billions during nigel because you had about 5 million you had about 25 million cases. and if treated them with safe repurposed medications, that would have cost you about 50 usd, 50 quid a patient , you would have spent patient, you would have spent $1.25 billion. you have basically 549 billion by spending it on unnecessary testing and spending it on hospitalisations because . not a hospitalisations because. not a single patient should have died . okay, look, you've made the case.i . okay, look, you've made the case. i thank all of you coming

on and giving an alternative view . thank on and giving an alternative view. thank you. now, i on and giving an alternative view . thank you. now, i know view. thank you. now, i know there'll some that have listened to those testimony is going to be very, very shocked because this is not what we're supposed to talk about. we're not supposed to the who. supposed to say this. the who. don't approve the british medical association don't approve and wanted to make approve. and i wanted to make that very clear. that point very very clear. these alternate views, but these are alternate views, but we should debate them in a moment. talking points with senior republican politician mike lee. he's senator from utah. i'm going to ask him what on earth was going on on capitol hill last .

well by guess i'm talking by is senator mike lee from utah a friend of mine. welcome to the program mike. you very good to see you. good to be with you. now, when you were here in

london on, this side of the pond, you overwhelmingly find people friendly people are friendly towards america , pro—america. we go to america, pro—america. we go to disneyland and we go to new york in vast numbers. we watch your films. we eat food. too much american, fast food . but here's american, fast food. but here's the question . whilst there are the question. whilst there are many in america that like the uk, we got prince harry going on the late show, the other evening. basically sketch belittling the monarchy . we have belittling the monarchy. we have writers in the new york times before the queen that even been buned before the queen that even been buried writing the most disgraceful about this country and the royal family. is there a sort of anti—british ? asian is sort of anti—british? asian is creeping into america now? no, i don't think so at all. as for prince harry, that's the sort of drama. it's a soap. and from it, they love to follow it just because it's drama of a high profile family. and it makes people able to engage in a bit of frivolity as they forget their own lives for a moment. not aware of any anti—british

sentiment in the united states going to the contrary. i think a lot of us that this . where our lot of us that this. where our legal system came . it was the legal system came. it was the nafion legal system came. it was the nation from which we declared our independence , even though we our independence, even though we made that separation we've always had a special bond because we of our common origins. and utah , of course, origins. and utah, of course, i mean the number of people in utah of british descent is pretty is larger than in any other state. last time i checked, in fact, we have a non—stop flight every day between london and salt city. both ways, it's . and so it kind both ways, it's. and so it kind of went crazy. well, i hope you're right, but i mean, mr. biden isn't, terribly pro—british. is he ? not exactly. pro—british. is he? not exactly. not exactly . nor nor is the not exactly. nor nor is the president to whom he served as vice president. i hope he can rock the back of the queue. obama and i submit lately no , my obama and i submit lately no, my you were born into a political family. you your father held office with reagan and i guess

you were always going to be one day somehow involved politics. but you've now been senator representing your state since 2010. we all go into politics with a huge of energy, optimism and enthusing ism. do you still have that? still do i still have great optimism because the american people are basically good. american people are basically good . the american people good. the american people basically want . the american basically want. the american people basically understand that the federal government in our country has become too and too expensive far to intrusive, into their lives. they want something different. they want something . different. they want something. and i believe at the end of the day, i am inspired by what winston used of my winston used to say of my country when he said the american people always be counted on to do the right thing after they've exhausted every other know other alternate. i don't know whether he meant that as a compliment, was compliment, but it was a backhanded but it backhanded compliments. but it was ultimately compliment. republican party , i mean, we had republican party, i mean, we had last year that building behind us. yes. was turned into a

circus as we went through for chancellor of the exchequer, three prime ministers. so that here too. well, circus , circus, here too. well, circus, circus, we have circuses. it's the party. we will look like a laughingstock . party. we will look like a laughingstock. i mean, how must this republican party be to have gone through that charade ? last gone through that charade? last week on capitol hill, gone through that charade? last week on capitol hill , 15 rounds week on capitol hill, 15 rounds to elect kevin mccarthy . i would to elect kevin mccarthy. i would not call a charade, though. i this is not a failure. not call a charade, though. i this is not a failure . this is this is not a failure. this is how things work. this is how things work. when you've got members of a party who are trying to come to agreement and have not yet arrived at an agreement, ultimately they arise in an agreement after 15 votes. after grubby sure . grubby deals after grubby sure. grubby deals that that's the stuff that a republican form of government is made of. look, you don't want to elect people who will just agree with the top person on the ticket , the top person in their ticket, the top person in their party every single time. if do that, we end up with a sort of

judicial oligarchy with. members just reflexively voting. however, the person at the top a bit of dispute, but a disagreement is , a good thing. disagreement is, a good thing. it's a good thing. and it shows that the party is vibrant and people within that legislative chamber have a pulse . and a lot chamber have a pulse. and a lot of my friends who were involved in effort, especially my in that effort, especially my dear friend chip roy from texas , i think did yeoman's work. and i sent out a tweet from my new twitter account at based lee. i sent it out saying , roy equals sent it out saying, roy equals hero and i got a fantastic response from thing . hundreds response from thing. hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people so that when you came in in 2010, you were sort of tea party ite, you know, you were looking for reform and change and. suddenly this figure out of nowhere arrives in 2015 and walked down the escalator in trump tower in the world goes walked. really walked. this isn't really happening, ? but it did happening, is it? but it did really happen. and you know, you were cautious to begin with. yes, to mildly , yeah. no, yes, to put it mildly, yeah. no,

no. and i understand that my . no. and i understand that my. get that. and you know, i was but i came to really like him. yes. i was thoughtful as well. and you know, when i met him and i you know, when i met him in you know, actually, in america, you know, actually, this and he gets the this guy's good. and he gets the big right? he gets a lot big stuff, right? he gets a lot of little stuff wrong with of the little stuff wrong with the big stuff, right. and you've been a great supporter. him desantis challenger . been a great supporter. him desantis challenger. he. desantis is a challenger. he. yes. he's fought for. yes. i mean, he's fought for. he's an amazing. in florida. he's an amazing. in florida. he's 44, i hear he reads at the level a 45 year old and the if you any idea what's going to happenin you any idea what's going to happen in this contest? not really. i mean, look, 2024 and november of 2024 is political eternity away. yeah, right now there are a lot of polling data showing mr. desanto is in a strong position in pretty difficult to know of all who else might get into this race andifs else might get into this race and it's difficult to know exactly how the various candidates are going to position themselves. so it's a little early to predict how that'll

out. now we'll see what happens. and trump is i mean, a huge figure. and he is like an old heavyweight champion and know desantis will have to box pretty smart him. here's smart to beat him. right. here's my problem what's happening over in involved in america. i have been involved with britain, with elections in britain, europe, of the europe, other parts of the world. seen kinds of world. i've seen kinds of electoral . you know, our country electoral. you know, our country where there are tens of ballots that are mailed out. people in pennsylvania voting for the senator in the third week of september, but not seeing the guy on television in a debate until the last week in october. i don't mean this. i think for your party to win in 2024, unless you have electoral reform, i can't . you doing it? reform, i can't. you doing it? yeah, i do think it's a problem. our constitution contemplates an election day, not an election month or season. two months almost, and one we're dealing with an entire season of elections and with ballots being mailed out universally in many states , i think that presents

states, i think that presents enough opportunities for mischief that we ought to be concerned. now, in our system of government, how those are handled or clues typically up to the states. i do think we need reform in each of those states. and i think, you know , my own and i think, you know, my own view, i'm not a state view, although i'm not a state lawmaker, i tend to think that the ballots ought not be mailed to someone unless there's a fairly compelling someone living as a shut in who can't get out, who is in trouble. no, i agree . who is in trouble. no, i agree. send them out to everyone. becomes impossible to figure out who's whose ballot as has gone to the right place and who's hasn't . and it's seems like in hasn't. and it's seems like in addition to the risk of actual mischief , the potential and mischief, the potential and perception of the potential for mischief is maybe enough to re—evaluate . can tell you i've re—evaluate. can tell you i've seen early mail balloting in britain and i've seen utterly corrupted. right. i've seen it. i know it happens. and you've got to get that it can be done

safe, safely, more or less. i mean, in utah we've experimented it for many years. i it's done more or less in a safe manner there. but even there, i don't know that the reasons for keeping it in, you're not voting on the same day with the same sort of information. exactly. you know, it seems like the prudential concerns as a whole would suggest a better would suggest that a better course of action would be to have most people go and cast have most people go in and cast their ballots. i agree. final thing to finish , mike, with that thing to finish, mike, with that is bigger than politics. it's about the entire shape of our communities, our lives, western civilisation . just behind us civilisation. just behind us over here is lambeth palace. thatis over here is lambeth palace. that is the home of the archbishop of canterbury the head of established church . head of the established church. you man of deep you yourself, a man of deep religious from a very religious conviction from a very religious conviction from a very religious state. he's our woman. we have seen a very fall in the level of people in my country who identify as christian . that who identify as christian. that trend is beginning to happen in america, too. not to the same extent, but it's beginning to happen. what's going wrong? well, obviously , people in your

well, obviously, people in your country and in mine have every right to believe as they want or to choose not to believe as they prefer. there's nothing that government can or should do about that, except perhaps as as government is pushing people out of churches . any time you see of churches. any time you see people doing that, one has to wonder about what's causing this? well, why are people moving in this direction ? what moving in this direction? what i know is that my faith is a great source of strength to me, has been to my family , has been to been to my family, has been to my country since the beginning of it. i also that it's difficult for any society to live in freedom, to live under a system of self—rule peacefully and with proper pity, unless they believe in something greater and higher than themselves. and i know of no better way to do that than to stick with our beliefs and to continue to believe and follow the teachings of the bible.

that's what i will do. that's not that's not my legislative view, because i lack the authority to legislate on this. this is bigger than politics. right mike lee, thank you for joining me. thank you. good to be with you. thank you . got be with you. thank you. got a few seconds left on the program. it's time to barrage the barrage. what have you sent me today? do you think rishi sunak will go down as the worst chancellor the worst prime minister in the history of the uk? but early, steve, for that, he said he prime minister a few weeks premature i say but but one thing for certain he is a globalist . oh he's he's chaired globalist. oh he's he's chaired the chinese up no end by a grant for us to work more closely through the foreign office with china that this trust are taken away. he's a globalist, not a conservative. believe me, i'm not wrong. time for one more. sophie asks , do you agree with sophie asks, do you agree with harry's harsh opinion of the

media and the press? do you know something? he is now milking the media and the press a way that is astonishing. he's an everyday eric and chat show that's going andifs eric and chat show that's going and it's all about making money. you know, famous british politician enoch powell once said that somebody in public life complaining about the press is like a sailor complaining about rough seas. is like a sailor complaining about rough seas . you take the about rough seas. you take the rough with the smooth mike done it. i've done it in public life that's the way it is. but harry is full of hypocrisy when it suits him, he uses the media. oh, boy i'm plenty. i'm back with you tomorrow night at 7:00. i'll hand you're over now to patrick christys . yes, nigel, i patrick christys. yes, nigel, i know you're obviously a firecracker of a show. i don't know why anyone expects anything less these days. right? i've got loads coming your way, including why on earth and we committing national acts of self—harm. i look the things that prince look at the things that prince harry has to enrage the taliban. look at the things that prince hlook has to enrage the taliban. look at the things that prince hlook at; to enrage the taliban. look at the things that prince hlook at; to factge the taliban. look at the things that prince hlook at; to fact the he taliban. look at the things that prince hlook at; to fact the bbc|liban. look at the things that prince hlook at; to fact the bbc has n. i look at the fact the bbc has decided try to wrestle from decided to try to wrestle from him. tobago's reputation . look him. tobago's reputation. i look at the fact that a video has

re—emerged of isis threatening attacks and i wonder attacks in london and i wonder why. oh, why are we not helping ourselves? by securing our borders and. hi there. aidan mcgivern here the met office. it's going to cold tonight in northern scotland . but elsewhere northern scotland. but elsewhere across the uk, more wet and windy weather on the way wetter in south wales where of course it's been so wet so far this year. it's been so wet so far this year . there are it's been so wet so far this year. there are more it's been so wet so far this year . there are more weather year. there are more weather fronts coming in, bringing bouts of rainfall that will be persistent across of wales and southwest . through the night southwest. through the night there'll be some wetter weather elsewhere. the rain pushing into northern ireland well as northern and southern scotland dunng northern and southern scotland during the evening really it's heaviest and most persistent over the brecon beacons, over exmoor . and that's falling on to exmoor. and that's falling on to saturated . and so there'll be saturated. and so there'll be further issues with flooding i think by the morning accompanied by a strong wind, that wind coming from the south—west gales in places 12 celsius though in the south whilst it's clear calm and frosty for northern scotland minus three or minus four

celsius, first thing, then an area of rain moves into scotland , northern england, northern ireland as it bumps into the colder air, we can expect some snow about four or 500 metres for and northern for central and northern scotland. the rain elsewhere replaced . it's replaced by showers. it's staying blustery through thursday the gales ease and thursday but the gales ease and the showers will be interspersed by some brighter spells . however by some brighter spells. however it turns windy for western scotland and northern ireland as we end thursday gales or severe gales for the northern coast pushing into western scotland and then the irish sea coast dunng and then the irish sea coast during the hours of darkness and the early hours of friday will see rain replaced by showers. a blustery night. but with the wind, of course, temperatures will stay above frost levels for most eight celsius in the south, three or four in the north, a bright start despite , it being bright start despite, it being a bit colder in the south compared with thursday morning. and it looks like there'll be sunny spells coming through by friday afternoon much of afternoon across much of england, wales, eastern scotland, northern ireland eventually. there'll eventually. but there'll be further showers, especially for

western northwest western scotland, northwest england of wales. now england and parts of wales. now into the weekend rain on saturday will be replaced by showers on sunday and it'll turn colder .

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