the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got you guys talking strikes. we go round and round dirt waivers, teaching specifically is when i want to talk to you about tonight. so many schools and educational places have the threat of strikes hanging over them. many many teachers are basically open and going , basically open and going, leaving their profession . do you leaving their profession. do you think that we value our teachers enough? could you ever be a teacher? i couldn't. but i want your thoughts on that. and 100 kids and hundreds of thousands of people afraid to get into

mortgage arrears imminently. of people afraid to get into mortgage arrears imminently . are mortgage arrears imminently. are you one of them? are we about to see a housing crash? do you think the government should step in? should they help you pay your mortgage ? and you rents, your mortgage? and if you rents, are shouting at your telling are you shouting at your telling ? to why should ? i'm going to suck. why should they homeowners? what about they help homeowners? what about those renters? carla power rent as i your thoughts on as well. i want your thoughts on that well. and do you have that as well. and do you have children, grandchildren, nieces , nephews? would you help them get a job? would you shoehorn them in? know whether them in? i don't know whether it's experience , training it's work experience, training schemes, is nepotism, schemes, whatever is nepotism, a goodidea schemes, whatever is nepotism, a good idea or should your kids basically make their own way in the world? and cold, hard cash . the world? and cold, hard cash. do you use it? do you carry it? have you tried to use it? but actually fails because so many places now say cash free zone . places now say cash free zone. what do you reckon? because apparently now more of us are turning back to cash. is that a good thing ? i want your thoughts good thing? i want your thoughts on all of that. but first up, that's bring us up to speed with tonight's latest headlines .

tonight's latest headlines. michelle, thank you and good evening to you. the top story on gb news tonight. in his first visit for scotland as prime minister, rishi sunak will hold talks with the first minister, nicholas sturgeon the two leaders are expected to touch on a range of issues , including the a range of issues, including the nhs and the cost of living. he's also seeking to discuss ms. sturgeon's push for scottish independence . they'll make independence. they'll make a joint announcement on their plans for government funding tomorrow. meanwhile the government says a meeting between the health secretary and health leaders today was good and constructive . that comes as and constructive. that comes as new nhs england data shows ambulances took an hour and a half on average to respond to call outs during the month of december. that's the longer response time on record . details response time on record. details on pay weren't discussed in today's meeting , but steve today's meeting, but steve barclay was warned he must address the workforce crisis. shadow attorney general emily

thornberry told gb news talks are the only way forward. a much better surely is to use the system that we already have, which is that people negotiate the basic safety levels. and you can see nurses running off picket lines in order to go and help when there is a particular crisis. that's the reality . crisis. that's the reality. that's what's always happened. and we know that even if they do passes , legislation is not going passes, legislation is not going to help with the current situation. the current situation can only be helped if the government stops playing games, sits down and talks to the unions and negotiates a deal. meanwhile, 100,000 civil servants will strike next month on the february 1st day of february. february the first. the decision follows another meeting with the government, which the public and commercial services union has called a total farce . union leaders met total farce. union leaders met total farce. union leaders met to discuss the ongoing dispute over pay, jobs and conditions. it follows weeks of walkout ,

it follows weeks of walkout, including the strike by border force staff over christmas and union leaders have said more money will have to be offered in order to prevent further strikes and travel disruption has continued today for passengers in and around london with strikes on the newly opened elizabeth line . members from the elizabeth line. members from the transport salaried staffs association and their sister union prospect have walked off the job again over pay and conditions. the two unions rejected a 4.4% increase this year. rejected a 4.4% increase this year . transport for london rejected a 4.4% increase this year. transport for london has warned of short notice, cancellations and change as to schedules throughout the day . schedules throughout the day. the labour leader, sir keir starmer , says the government starmer, says the government needs to up its negotiations. i do not want to see this industrial action. i want to lead a government that resolves these issues. on the last labour government you didn't have a national strike for nurses. you had fair pay for nurses . and we had fair pay for nurses. and we think that you should be in the room negotiating, sorting out these problems. the northern

ireland secretary has said there is still a way to go to resolve the row over the northern ireland protocol and a warning for those watching on tv. there are some flashing images next. the irish premier and the labour leader met political parties at stormont this morning to discuss the post—brexit trade rules on the post—brexit trade rules on the irish land border. the dup has been blocking the formation of a proper government until the protocol is dramatically altered or even removed . it needs away or even removed. it needs away from home. president joe biden is facing new questions about his handling of classified documents. all but one were found with the second batch of classified material in his private home in delaware , where private home in delaware, where we understand in his garage . the we understand in his garage. the white house confirmed the files included us intelligence memos from his time as vice president under barack obama. the first batch was discovered in one of biden's offices at a washington think tank last november. he says he is fully cooperating with the us justice department on the matter . russian

on the matter. russian mercenaries are claiming they have found a body belonging to one of the two british aid workers missing in ukraine. the group hasn't specified which of the two has been reportedly found, but they did say they had documents belonging to both brits. gb news is unable to verify the claims, and the foreign office says it's supporting the families of andrew bagshaw and christopher parry while they await clearer information . meanwhile, information. meanwhile, ukrainian authorities say russia has attacked a maternity hospital in the port city of kherson. video footage shows the aftermath of the strike with heavy damage to windows and offices. there have been no deaths. it comes after president zelenskyy praised the resilience of his forces in the eastern donbas region . here, the singer donbas region. here, the singer lee ryan has been found guilty of racially aggravated assault. the incident happened on a british airways flight last july .eaung

british airways flight last july . ealing magistrates court in westland . dunn heard the former westland. dunn heard the former member of the pop group blue also asked a female flight attendant for a kiss . the former attendant for a kiss. the former p0p attendant for a kiss. the former pop star has since apologised for his behaviour. pop star has since apologised for his behaviour . an energy for his behaviour. an energy watchdog says more than 3 million people in the uk run out of credit on their pre—pay metres last year. citizens advice says more than 2 million were being disconnected at least once a month, leaving them unable to turn on the heating or cook a meal. the charity is calling for a total ban on the forced installation of pre—payment metres until new protections are introduced . more protections are introduced. more women will be able to get checked for breast cancer after the government announced checked for breast cancer after the government announce d £10 the government announced £10 million in funding towards nhs greening units. the initiative will make screening more accessible for thousands of women with 29 new units being set up. the investment will also see upgrades to ultrasound and x—ray units to better detect cancer using new and improved

software . and finally , chester software. and finally, chester zoo has boosted its conservation efforts with a new arrival, a critically endangered chimpanzee baby. critically endangered chimpanzee baby . the critically endangered chimpanzee baby. the baby critically endangered chimpanzee baby . the baby boy critically endangered chimpanzee baby. the baby boy said to be in good health, has bonded well with its mother, which you can probably see if you're watching on tv, clinging as he is there to her tummy. and we understand the rest of the troop is only the rest of the troop is only the fourth chimp to be born at the fourth chimp to be born at the zoo in five years. but the first male in more than a decade . hang on tight, baby. first male in more than a decade . hang on tight, baby . that's . hang on tight, baby. that's it. i'm back in an hour. now back to . back to. michelle thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you right through till 7:00 tonight, alongside me, the teacher and the author, kevin rooney , and lord daniel moylan, rooney, and lord daniel moylan, who's a tory peer in the house

of lords. good evening, gentlemen. happy new year. i think it's a fantasy of yourself. i think my best story by the way, in the headlines that you say that the little baby chimpanzee, very cute, but i'm really quite sure what i'm never really quite sure what i'm never really quite sure what i think about those things. by the there's always small the way, there's always a small part i'm just not sure if part of me. i'm just not sure if i'm comfortable having these animals locked in these spaces, basically to go along, go basically for us to go along, go pack. are a fan of those? pack. are you a fan of those? i'm fan of going to zoos, i'm not a fan of going to zoos, and agree with you. there and i do agree with you. there are issues about them, but are some issues about them, but they're that actually do they're argues that actually do preserves preserve preserves species, help preserve species would otherwise be species that would otherwise be endangered simply through , you endangered simply through, you know, natural process . are you a know, natural process. are you a fan of. i'm afraid i like zoos, michel. i would defend it. i do not feel a little bit part, though, like when you see, i don't know, like bats and stuff cooped i understand cooped up in cages. i understand where coming from now, where you're coming from now, but think suzy have moved but i think suzy have moved a long way from the past where there of legitimate there were a lot of legitimate and had a season for and i had a season ticket for the zoo london for many years the zoo in london for many years when my was very young when my young lad was very young and used to love to take them

and i used to love to take them to the zoo and spend many a happy day there. i would recommend it. the londoners to you. we have a you. oh, well, look, we have a town to nice. i can't really what i'm be talking what i'm supposed be talking about little cute about with that little cute chimpanzee couldn't resist. chimpanzee that couldn't resist. what zoos going what do you think of zoos going to let me know to touch and let me know tonight, want talk to you tonight, i want to talk to you about cash. do you still use it? apparently, we're starting to use more now these use it more now these days, i never use cash to mortgages as well. and hundreds well. hundreds and hundreds of thousands be thousands of people will be perhaps into arrears perhaps going into arrears imminently course, imminently because, of course, the . you the rate rise is. do you think the rate rise is. do you think the government step in the government should step in and do more nepotism ? would you and do more nepotism? would you help kids? would you help your kids? would you shoehorn them in to the job? have you ever had the misfortune of perhaps working for someone whose kid it was pretty useless , really. but you have to suck it up because they were the boss's son. oh, it was to say. i've got examples of that. but you might have got in such gb views gbnews.uk is the email you can as well that's can tweet me as well if that's your thing gb news. lots of your thing at gb news. lots of your thing at gb news. lots of you have getting in such you have been getting in such already. barry no , no.

already. barry says no, no, no. he puts it in capsules. i always know means business. the government should not help people pay their mortgages. they were before taking were warned before taking one out. rates can rise out. the interest rates can rise as as full interest on the as well as full interest on the teacher thing. graham says. teachers get massive pay , teachers get massive pay, massive pension. 13 weeks houday massive pension. 13 weeks holiday a year, so they should stop taking the mick . i'll be stop taking the mick. i'll be interested to see what kevin has to say about that in just a second. paul says, why should the taxpayer why should i as a taxpayer, subsidise people who cannot control their spending? i guess, though, paul , if guess, though, paul, if someone's taken a mortgage out of many years ago at 2% and now if, you know, if all of their own, i don't know my triple it, that's not their fault. that's not their, you know, recklessness with their cash , is recklessness with their cash, is it? you tell me , joe. sorry. it? but you tell me, joe. sorry. gee says cash is king. always has been. always will be. and i love the fact they set up more and more people are starting to use it again . i'm not one of use it again. i'm not one of them. i have to say, david, this made me laugh . nicholas got in

made me laugh. nicholas got in touch with a similar comment as well, saying thousands of civil servants going on strike. you don't think that anyone would . don't think that anyone would. no say, do you? would you go? would miss civil would you miss the civil servants? some them, if they servants? some of them, if they went strike, get in touch , went on strike, get in touch, you of course, look you tell me. and of course, look , i always like these. this we should it like a little should do it like a little church. gb news fashion reviews. i always say that night i always say that every night because everyone's of because everyone's loads of people touch people have got in touch tonight. like liquorice, people have got in touch ton sorts. like liquorice, people have got in touch ton sorts. i'll like liquorice, people have got in touch ton sorts. i'll take

you think about it, it has to be done. i think when you think about it , the you think about it, the government were offering near 5% of the teachers and inflation's at 10. so straightaway you're talking about a real terms pay cut and that institute of fiscal studies, the independent body that came out today. and the newspapers are making the point in the last 12 years, our pay has dramatically declined, dramatically declined compared to where it was. so every way you measure it, teachers are worse off and we're not really talking pay rises over the last few years. we're talking real terms pay cuts. that's the first issue. but even its own times, people might say, oh, you're selfish and all your teacher. but problem is the schools selfish and all your teacher. buthis problem is the schools selfish and all your teacher. buthis country,n is the schools selfish and all your teacher. buthis country, ins the schools selfish and all your teacher. buthis country, in england ools in this country, in england can't the teachers. there's can't get the teachers. there's a massive recruitment crisis . i a massive recruitment crisis. i think just over 40% of this past year teacher pieces can be filled at the teacher training colleges and then if you look at something else, if you look at the average teacher in the first five years, once i think i'm right in the figure one third are just under one third of teachers leave the profession after within five years. so

there's something going wrong. michel so at that level, michel right. so at that level, at of the actual pay and at terms of the actual pay and the terms of the act, four conditions, you have to do something and it's only going in one direction moment. and one direction at the moment. and therefore you've got to therefore i think you've got to put it right. but let me be honest before you ask michel, because interview, because you're a good interview, you'll even for my own you'll ask me even for my own self—interest perspective, i absolutely but absolutely want a pay rise. but let ask you this. why don't let me ask you this. why don't you that you're already on you think that you're already on quite a good thing? because you teachers get reasonable salaries already. salaries , already. good salaries, actually, up to about 58 grand, i in england, for i think is in england, for example , you get about a quarter example, you get about a quarter , 24% there or thereabouts pension contribute as my fellow the e mails in a second ago you get about 15 weeks if you've got a job for life. i think you know the you know what and some of the you know what and some of the things that fowler was saying and others are dead on. but let me give you a quick example. so first of all, by the way, on the pensions, good luck, dog unions when they were strong fighting for good paying

conditions, thank god that had decent see, tomorrow, decent union. but see, tomorrow, my students the year 12 days are the exam and politics is at the mock exam and politics is at the mock exam and politics is at the level once so iraq in the 22 in that class it's going to be a by 30 minutes per exam paper for me to mock. so that's my audience on they much audience on they pretty much mark and i want you've marked all them i'll write that up and i'll read model answer like it i'll read a model answer like it editor that's what i'm sent is by saturday and will be by saturday and sunday will be pretty by mark and pretty much taken up by mark and just one group. and then just that one group. and then what what you guys all the other classes i what i want to classes i marked what i want to say that fowler and the other say to that fowler and the other people got 30 people go, you've got 30 weeks all day. so all i would say is the amount of weekends and evenings and all of that, they're by and they're taken up by mark and prep by way, lots of prep and by the way, lots of lost from the goodness lost teachers from the goodness of our hearts what extracurricular activities for many the school many years around the school football debate football team the school debate and like the violence and clubs like the violence i know but but point to know but not but the point to make is i swear to god, i'm make it is i swear to god, i'm not looking for sympathy. not even looking for sympathy. the point i'm making is if you just say they get 13 weeks holiday, blah, blah, blah, blah

, as if we have , it sounds as if we have a cushy and of those what i'm cushy and one of those what i'm trying say the round, you trying to say in the round, you know, don't. but don't get me know, we don't. but don't get me wrong, i want to be wrong, i don't want to be a whingeing teacher. i actually love i do think love my job. but i do think there are things about it which could turned around and could be turned around and improved that would bring a lot more people in the more young people in the profession. just the profession. but just on the teaching the pay. teaching or just on the pay. michele to neal, this michele just to neal, this absolutely. i think teachers should go on strike. why should we a real terms pay cut to we take a real terms pay cut to say back to you in response? but i'm conscious that i've not heard from daniel. i'm sure you've got lot to do on this you've got a lot to do on this topic as your thoughts? topic as well. your thoughts? well, try and be brief. well, i'll try and be brief. well, i'll try and be brief. well, what we're seeing here is the dangerous cross the desperately dangerous cross to of letting to the facts of letting inflation take off in your society . and that has happened society. and that has happened because we've had central bankers over the last few years printing like there's no printing money like there's no tomorrow and telling us it wouldn't affect inflation. well, now does . and when it now it does. and when it happens, you get people to say, andifs happens, you get people to say, and it's understandable why people kevin say, why people like kevin say, why should my standard of living for

because the value of the pound has gone down in terms of its purchasing power and a lot go down. i've been responsible for that. the bank of england did that. the bank of england did that. should from that. why should i suffer from that? so it's perfectly understandable why people want to and then what you to say that. and then what you see, is that those see, of course, is that those who have strong unions, they're mainly monopoly suppliers of labourin mainly monopoly suppliers of labour in the public sector and in related things like the train operating companies, no , they're operating companies, no, they're not publicly owned anymore, but they're very similar in structure. there the ones who can go out and defend themselves and they can go on strike and they can try and get a better deal they can try and get a better deal, they have no regard and no consideration for people who are in of the economy where in parts of the economy where you cannot go out and effectively defend yourself. they happy to be an elite they are happy to be an elite class , able to put the barrier class, able to put the barrier around themselves and try and protect themselves. i understand it, but it's not actually what you'd fair. it's not you'd call fair. it's not something which is sympathetic to people society . and to other people in society. and of you've got to think of course, you've got to think about you like,

about the consumer, if you like, as well. and the consumers range from the patients who don't get into hospital , who don't get into the hospital, who don't get treated. kids who won't get treated. the kids who won't get teaching, presumably if i didn't have what kevin's strike is going to involve, but presumably there'll be going without there'll be kids going without teaching the people can't teaching. the people who can't get journeys on trains because. because people are on strike, they don't count . but do the they don't count. but nor do the people can't strike. they people who can't strike. they don't count either, especially class. and kevin's happy to be part that class part of that special class through exercise , saying muscle, through exercise, saying muscle, don't blame him . but it's not. don't blame him. but it's not. there's nothing about it. there's nothing nice about it. there's nothing nice about it. there's to recommend , there's nothing to recommend, nothing to admire here . and i've nothing to admire here. and i've got to say, let me ask you this. right, because you all know this anyway. one of the unions they've balloted for strike action, the ballot action, right. and the ballot closed a couple of days ago, three days ago, whatever. and they even get the they didn't even get the threshold of half of their members. yeah. so if it is so bad and everyone's so disgruntled and demotivate and all the rest of it, why didn't that union poll. well, hundred

and 50,000 members in england, 10,000 in wales, they could even get half their staff to turn out and vote. it's a brilliant question, michel. think that's and vote. it's a brilliant q|brilliantviichel. think that's and vote. it's a brilliant q|brilliant question. hink that's and vote. it's a brilliant q|brilliant question. and that's a brilliant question. and i think part of it is the fact that a lot of teachers are actually demoralised on disgruntled and not just with the lack of pay and conditions, but their union. but also with their union. sometimes think unions sometimes they think the unions not the fight for not fighting the good fight for them, but i find out about that when this, joe was in when it came to this, joe was in the green i seen it flies the green room. i seen it flies along in gb the bottom, along in gb news at the bottom, and as you w.t, that's my union. that's you. that's my union. you won't but won't be going on it. but i would have. i would at first strike. but you know what? you know what i would do. do know what i would do. what do you hear you heard it here you hear that? you heard it here first. i'd go strike anyway first. i'd go on strike anyway and if the government tries and see if the government tries to going to. we're to say, we're going to. we're going you know what i would going to. you know what i would do? hold on. so this government can get elected less than 50% can get elected in less than 50% of vote and they're going to of the vote and they're going to dictate to all dictate to workers all these rules us rules and optics goes about us having democratic and having a democratic vote and vote strike and if action vote for strike and if action like the people don't vote in that ballot, then sylvie, should we had then ?

we not have had brexit then? because voted, because not everybody voted, went ballot box and can went to the ballot box and can i can ican went to the ballot box and can i can i can i help? can i just can i can i help? can ijust come back and tell you that i think you'd be ridiculous and then you can come back well? then you can come back as well? but think being but i think you're being ridiculous rules of ridiculous because the rules of the referendum made the brexit referendum were made clear. outcome clear. whatever the outcome was, whether it was a majority, it would be implemented. so everyone when everyone knew the rules when they i'm going to they went in. i'm not going to get brexit debate except get into brexit debate except tom. rules. you tom. so you knew the rules. you know rules. so it's like the know the rules. so it's like the point is, michelle, it's a double standards. it's double standard this government standard from this government while elected than while they elected a less than 50% i can help. and 50% of the vote, i can help. and you went on strike at five and guess what? i hope to all of my fellow workers would go and strike and we would defeat you. tried to criminalise us of trying to do is done and by the way daniel you do come way daniel before you do come back haven't even started back me i haven't even started yet, but know on your first yet, but i know on your first point, do think three or 4 point, do i think three or 4 minutes, i think they call it gaslighting. is that what you did to so people like me did to me? so people like me because you go and take the selfish. we're class. selfish. we're an elite class. you hold on to power, you've got

to use . you know, when you when to use. you know, when you when you have to defend yourself and trust for better conditions. i am smiling at the article that was calling me selfish . so do was calling me selfish. so do you want to respond ? i know. i you want to respond? i know. i have no idea what he's talking about. that. yeah, i just want to help him out and tell me what the legal position is. unions in this country have a very privileged position and that if they go on strike lawfully , they they go on strike lawfully, they cannot sued for damages by cannot be sued for damages by the people who suffer. but if they go on strike unlawfully , they go on strike unlawfully, they go on strike unlawfully, they can. so you are perfectly free in this country. they can. so you are perfectly free in this country . you don't free in this country. you don't drop me, kevin . you are drop me, kevin. you are perfectly free if you want to go ahead and hold that strike. but i'll tell you, it will be an unofficial strike because the any as you wt unofficial strike because the any as you w t will. absolutely not do it. not then every parent in the country could sue the union for the cost of getting replacement, teaching for their for their kids who are not taught. and of course it would bankrupt the union. so you'll completely go ahead just just

two points and i'm tempted to get stuck in that. daniel have good dingdong of the try to come back to you slightly there's two points in terms of me i if i choose to withdraw my labour i will do it and i will not let a government criminalise me. but just to come back to you. hold on, michel. i want to come back to you. i want to. well, you create a new criminal. you can fire me. and that would be great, because have is great, because what you have is you found all these other you be found all these other people, have new people, and you'll have new teachers their place and teachers to take their place and actually going to improve things. it happens, i things. but as it happens, i wanted back to your wanted to come back to your earlier the biggest earlier point. the biggest union by miles is not my by a million miles is not my union, the the you it's union, by the way, the you it's the union. and i think the education union. and i think we'll see by protection is that the education in will be able to get over all the optical rules and blockages that this government in the way of government puts in the way of unions when they go unions in terms of when they go for strike they have for strike and they will have a majority even by the terms of the government for the government to vote for strike. and so i think that strike. and so i think that strike will will happen. and if you my skill as a hop, this

you take my skill as a hop, this is probably here nor is probably neither here nor there your viewers. there are for your viewers. but my would probably be my school would probably be about education i about 90. the education union, i just in the and just happened to be in the and as utility because they have as you utility because they have as you utility because they have a relationship with the f college union called not free which happened to teach in in which i happened to teach in in the your union so this the past so your union so this is actual is not is an actual it is not hypothetical so your you vote it in your your ballot in your ballot your ballot closed ninth of jan. so closed on the ninth of jan. so your you didn't get your threshold. you got 42. you needed out of ten that needed 59 out of ten people that voted in ballot, voted for voted in your ballot, voted for strike action. now know strike action. so you now know your outcome . your isn't your outcome. your union isn't going pass strikes. so are going to pass strikes. so are you telling me that you are just going to go on strike anyway? so what i'm telling you is i think what i'm telling you is i think what will happen is i mean, it's a move because i just find a set walk the studio. think walk in the studio. i think what's going happen there what's going to happen there is it's to i will it's up to my union. i will always obey what my union says. now, i suspect my. you just hold on, michel. no i think my union would probably say afraid would probably say we're afraid to. against the to. you go against the government's laws we won't government's laws and we won't government's laws and we won't go on strike. so what i'll do is i'll let the situation of my school make sure

school and i'll make sure i don't do anything it happens. don't do anything if it happens. strike action with the education union. won't do anything to. union. i won't do anything to. to block or stop or or deter them from achieving the victory in this dispute. and we'll have to see what that means when we get to it. anything any final thoughts from you, daniel, on this topic? no, i think kevin's exhausted me on this. really? i know all the details of what he's going to do. daniel and i got personal attacks. the past and not the argument. but don't interrupt him then. go on. yeah. i mean, all the things that he's going to do. but we know very little actually about what how he's going to demonstrate that the kids in his school are not going to suffer from this because that's not his primary. happy to have that come to perfectly happy, responsible , perfectly happy, responsible, happy. would you don't you care ? i do. it's a brilliant point. i do. ? i do. it's a brilliant point. ido.and ? i do. it's a brilliant point. i do. and even though the teachers will always say we're going to go on strike and we take industrial action for the betterment of children and betterment of the children and the the families and the parents and the families and the parents and the families and

the education, the the state of education, the country. would accept country. i would accept that when on strike kids when you go on strike that kids are would accept that are damaged. i would accept that and speak. i think and pass this speak. and i think it's price that has to be it's a price that has to be paid. can we turn it back or we're going to have the last word to this government who refuse even our pay to refuse to even allow our pay to stay par with the rate of stay on a par with the rate of inflation. we are getting inflation. and we are getting a real times pay and we're real times pay cut and we're supposed to just suck up. but supposed to just suck it up. but a people are we've got a lot of people are we've got a so we should all suck it up. michel we've got robson lutely not economic situation right now haven't things with haven't we. so things with reasons government's reasons out of the government's control. have radical control. we have the radical class which was class covid response which was an government control. an out of government control. granted, you've got the situation which situation in ukraine, which is under government's control. under the government's control. it's that it's not their fault that inflation is okay. i get your point as well. quantitative easing, but ultimately of easing, but ultimately some of these component parts are outside of government's outside of the government's control. with control. they don't agree with you. government has a choice you. the government has a choice . can choose . the government can choose to give workers pay raise. give workers their pay raise. and way, we're not all and by the way, we're not all sovereign equally. that's the problem the problem in this country. the wealth are, the richer you wealth you are, the richer you get. the that we're all get. and the idea that we're all in huddle a whole lot, in the huddle a whole lot, getting richer just about

getting richer in just about you. and i was already the idea the world the idea that we're all in this together is ops salute. nonsense. not everybody is keen to live in the same way, but this is this recession. oh because no wins the argument psychologists claptrap. wow that was really eloquent there's some evidence people have the evidence people have the evidence for that . the evidence evidence for that. the evidence for what will you just be your prime minister? the evidence is our prime minister said there were 600 million pot in his bank. for example , i love in one bank. for example, i love in one hollow eyes i to hold off so what what we have in this i believe is an equal distribution of wealth. so when workers go on strike, we are demonised by people like daniel, large chunks of the media owned by the wealthy. and we're the problem. except there's a choice . give except there's a choice. give the workers additional pay rise. any evidence that the rich are getting better off? what are you? even before you? when we go to the for gp news, i pulled my

mobile phone out. look it up and give it to you of it. where is it? queue what better queue to go to. a package just set during the break is going to get his mobile phone up. he's going to find the evidence to back up that the rich getting that the rich are getting fichen that the rich are getting richer. i'm looking forward to that. you in so sorry, that. i'll see you in so sorry, guys. i need to turn this down as well .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, michelle dewberry, right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the teacher and the author, kevin rooney , and lord daniel moylan, rooney, and lord daniel moylan, who's a tory peer in the house of lords. we were just talking about teachers strike and lynn says michelle, lay off the teachers . i've got many members teachers. i've got many members of my family who are or have beenin of my family who are or have been in the teaching profession and how hard they work, and i know how hard they work, she says. not only in school hours, but we can save the

evenings. you're saying teachers works through the works all the way through the pandemic, up work pandemic, setting up online work for and the old for the kids, etc. and the old chestnut of many holidays chestnut of how many holidays they me sick if you they get makes me sick if you think so easy. michelle you think it's so easy. michelle you go and give it try. think it's so easy. michelle you go and give it try . work still go and give it a try. work still has be during the has to be done during the holidays the classrooms have holidays and the classrooms have to prepared the new time. to be prepared for the new time. new who do think does new time? who do you think does all the fairy all this? michelle, the fairy godmother well, no, godmother there? well, no, i suspect it's the teachers do this and that's like most jobs. often you to work evenings, often you have to work evenings, you have to work weekends, your holidays, etc. but vanessa , also holidays, etc. but vanessa, also as a sentiment she says with regards to teachers, i mean, all these weeks off, it sounds great. but the reality is they work hard on their evenings and their weekends . work hard on their evenings and their weekends. simon work hard on their evenings and their weekends . simon says the their weekends. simon says the teachers , right, people only teachers, right, people only have their labour to remove is the only power that we have . the only power that we have. matthew says this striking is getting ridiculous. teachers really as if young people need more disturbance to their education. and mark says, my daughter's a teacher. she's up

at six to get a two kids ready. she gets to school at half seven, and she carries on planning lessons until 11 pm. teachers only get paid for the school for the school hours, he says. school for the school hours, he says . yeah, my cow is a says. yeah, my cow is a caretaker at a private school and i've changed my opinion of teachers. they come to work at half seven and they don't go home. so six or sometimes later , divided opinions are, i think, what's yours ? in gb what's yours? get in touch. gb views at gb news starts uk. let's talk property, shall we? do you have a mortgage ? where do you have a mortgage? where are on it? did you get . it's are you on it? did you get. it's quite rate and now you're quite a low rate and now you're panicking you can see panicking because you can see the rate the mortgage the base rate and the mortgage rates wondering rates rising. are you wondering how to afford your how you're going to afford your home going forward? many hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds thousands of people hundreds of thousands of people is worried are going to get into arrears. it's got me thinking tonight, daniel, do you think the government should step in and help people with their mortgages they to mortgages? well, they need to come to this question. this come back to this question. this poison of inflation, because everything about it everything we talk about it, it comes . and the poison comes out again. and the poison of inflation that's been

unleashed means that we have major problems. that includes the strikes and the people losing value in their pay. and the only way to defeat inflation to get back down is for interest rates to rise . and that means rates to rise. and that means that people who are in debt, mortgages or whatever are going to have to pay more interest . to have to pay more interest. and say, and i'll be and if you say, and i'll be honest , i and if you say, and i'll be honest, i paid my mortgage off some ago , that's why you some years ago, that's why you think the mortgage rate. no, but because, you know, the many years i had a mortgage, we had to face interest rates going up and down. we have, you and down. we didn't have, you know, this period since know, this this period since 2008 when interest rates been artificially had artificially low, when i had a mortgage up, you know, earlier than that, interest rates would go than that, interest rates would 9° up than that, interest rates would go up and down. we have to face it and manage it. and i'm terribly sorry, but that's what's going to happen what's going to have to happen because if you if because frankly, if you if you're to defeat inflation because frankly, if you if ywhich to defeat inflation because frankly, if you if ywhich is to defeat inflation because frankly, if you if ywhich is absolutelyt inflation because frankly, if you if ywhich is absolutely crucial on because frankly, if you if ywhich is absolutely crucial ,n , which is absolutely crucial, you to people , we're you cannot say to people, we're putting interest rates up to defeat inflation. the i defeat inflation. by the way, i will print some money to hand to handit will print some money to hand to hand it back to you so that you don't even notice it's got to

affect so i'm afraid affect behaviour. so i'm afraid it's going to have to happen and people going to have to pay people are going to have to pay it very, very sorry for it and i'm very, very sorry for them. they thought they them. and if they thought they could borrowing could carry on borrowing at artificially interest rates artificially low interest rates for a very long time and i can see why they were lulled into thinking of them, thinking that some of them, i don't blame them, was don't blame them, but it was always an illusion. the idea you could have interest rates at one or even less, that was or 2% or even less, that was never going to last. now, kevin, what i agree with what is and i don't agree with daniel. the picture that daniel. i think the picture that you paint, daniel, is in the abstract and what we're talking aboutis abstract and what we're talking about is over 700,000 people who are in sue this year difficulty with their mortgages. so it means that if we just let that go and don't do anything, saxon, those people will lose their houses and a lot more people will into serious debt. now will get into serious debt. now we daniel has just we can say, as daniel has just said , we to control said, that we have to control inflation , we have to let the inflation, we have to let the market take its take its root. that's what you tina , the that's what you call tina, the old there is no turn of old dictum, there is no turn of that was thatcher's dictum, and it's problem. we're better it's a problem. we're better than that. it doesn't have to be like this. and just when we go

right back the imagined right back to the imagined thatcher, interest in thatcher, that's an interest in moment most people moment when people most people had own, people had their own, most people rented their house thatcher rented their house and thatcher introduced the notion that where you live can become a financial asset effectively and that you should buy your house. and so on, get a mortgage. what's really interest them further down get down the line? and you get situations and like situations and problems like this you get is certain this and what you get is certain free marketeers well , that's free marketeers and well, that's tough. like even though wasn't tough. like even though i wasn't a of thatcher's , you know, a fan of thatcher's, you know, encouragement people to buy encouragement of people to buy their own houses and privatisation, what privatisation, etc. it is what it is. and certainly don't it is. and i certainly don't think should just abandon it is. and i certainly don't think peoplejld just abandon it is. and i certainly don't think people .d just abandon it is. and i certainly don't think people . i just abandon it is. and i certainly don't think people . i think.bandon it is. and i certainly don't think people . i think. whatn it is. and i certainly don't think people . i think. what do those people. i think. what do you think? i think the problem which step in with some sort of financial assistance, not quite sure. of what sure. the aid is out of what that assistance would be. but i think some package should be put together . i think some package should be put together. i don't think some package should be put together . i don't know what together. i don't know what you're probably to say to you're probably going to say to me, if i can read your me, michelle. if i can read your mind, can tell it from the mind, you can tell it from the wrong people who, who, who wrong will. people who, who, who rent be happy rent their houses be very happy about and they might say about that and they might say that's not fair, etc. etc. and they would a point. i would

they would have a point. i would accept that there is a accept the fact that there is a legitimate criticism but the legitimate criticism. but the alternative here is to let hundreds thousands of people hundreds of thousands of people possibly sink with the mortgages. and i think that's too high a price to pay without too high a price to pay without to about it. are to do something about it. are you running listen to you running side? you listen to this i'm going to this thing. i'm going to set. why this fair? should the why is this fair? why should the government help people to essentially an asset if essentially build an asset if they're to me pay they're not going to help me pay my is that your thoughts my rent? is that your thoughts or it's good? yeah, or do you think it's good? yeah, the government all the government should do all that once a game. i think it still runs. actually the mortgage scheme mortgage interest support scheme where government mortgage interest support scheme where pay government mortgage interest support scheme where pay or government mortgage interest support scheme where pay or will government mortgage interest support scheme where pay or will pay yvernment mortgage interest support scheme where pay or will pay some|ent mortgage interest support scheme where pay or will pay some oft would pay or will pay some of your interest. your mortgage interest. essentially a loan. essentially it's like a loan. you it back when you sell you pay it back when you sell your or you transfer your your house or you transfer your house. think house. do you think we're heading for a property crash and do you think a property crash would good thing ? i would be a good thing? i genuinely know. and genuinely don't know. and you know, i predict what know, if i could predict what was going to happen to property prices, made prices, i'd probably have made a huge of money over the huge amount of money over the last 30 years, and i'd be last 20 or 30 years, and i'd be a very person. i don't know a very rich person. i don't know what's going to happen to property prices and last property prices and the last thing readers do is thing your readers should do is actually to me actually listen to me forecasting might happen.

forecasting what might happen. obviously, savvy . you've paid obviously, a savvy. you've paid off your mortgage. well you know you're doing hard work not through speculation the i think there are two contrasting things going on as far as domestic property or residential property price is concerned . one is we price is concerned. one is we don't have enough of it to meet demand. that tends to keep pnces demand. that tends to keep prices high. the is the prices high. the other is the cost of buying it through mortgages and the cost of getting a mortgage . the interest getting a mortgage. the interest rate, which is the cost on mortgage, is rising , tends to mortgage, is rising, tends to choke people off, choke off the demand side. but so how that would play out , whether it'll be would play out, whether it'll be net up or net down, you need an expert on this . and let's not expert on this. and let's not forget, by the way, we mentioned inflation and stuff so the bank of england's target was 2% inflation is. yeah but they didn't actually intervene and do a base rate hike until what, december 2021 by which time inflation was at 5.39. so some would argue if they were going to start that kind of increase, it should perhaps of start that

a little bit earlier on. lots of you guys getting in touch still about that kind of the teachers strike. lots of you. i would say that you kind of divided the moment on that one. but i do want your thoughts . let me see want your thoughts. let me see what you're saying . oh, cash what you're saying. oh, cash attorney. you talk about the cash one, which is a topic i'm coming onto towards the end. you'll say cash is essential to keep us free from possible governments restricting how we spend what we can . trevor going spend what we can. trevor going back to the teacher strike, isn't everyone in the well—paid pubuc isn't everyone in the well—paid public sector a gold public sector with a gold standard pensions wanting to strike and don't get sacked is says if he went on strike in the private sector in fact we get a warning and then be sacked. i don't think they can sack you if you legitimately on strike. you go legitimately on strike. so you balloted union so if you if you balloted union and you've made your threshold etc. recesses, why don't we all go on strike and see what i get? so if you're not happy with your choice of career, do some else and stop moaning. self—employed people just have to get on with

it, she says. leave says michelle. i've got nurses apathy. the people cannot afford their mortgages. and ken says their mortgages. and ken says the government never stepped in. michelle when the interest rate was 16.3. so why should they step in now? you tell me. should they step ? and to what extent ? they step? and to what extent? what what do you want them to do? pay, how much? all of your interest a part of your interest. do you think that should to give me should be free to you? give me your gb views your thoughts. gb views gbnews.uk is my email address. we're going to take quick break. when we come back, want to talk to you about nepotism. you to you about nepotism. do you have grandkids, nieces , have kids, grandkids, nieces, nephews? give them nephews? would you give them a foot in the door? basically, would you give a job just would you give them a job just because they are relative? is that or not? give me that a good idea or not? give me your thoughts and see you .

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dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the teacher and author kevin rooney. he's been dividing you guys at home with his views on strikes also his views on strikes and also joining me, daniel moylan, joining me, lord daniel moylan, the peer the house of the tory peer in the house of lords . martin you've just been lords. martin you've just been in sort of saying no one helps the renters when the landlords drop the rent. we've got to move out find somewhere so out and find somewhere else. so why as taxpayers, why should renters as taxpayers, taxpayers pay people's mortgage so can gain an asset? so that they can gain an asset? richard, if you take out a mortgage, you don't factor in potential rent rises. that's just been financially rich as told you. so you think it's been a bit harsh or do you agree with it? i'm getting such gb views that gb news dot uk is that email address right. let's talk mechanism, shall we? is in the headunes mechanism, shall we? is in the headlines at the moment basically because the head of headlines at the moment bas hasy because the head of headlines at the moment bas hasy becihis! the head of headlines at the moment bas hasy becihis daughteri of headlines at the moment bas hasy becihis daughter .of headlines at the moment bas hasy becihis daughter. he's the has hired his daughter. he's got people talking about whether or the right thing or or not that's the right thing or not. do you think it's a not. kevin, do you think it's a good thing to use your influence to show on your kids since the roles? do you know what i've

there's something i want there's almost something i want to say which is the right sound and thing. then have to and thing. but then i have to pinch and just tell the pinch myself and just tell the truth. nepotism, as truth. and i think nepotism, as i understand it, is something that would pursue that that i would i would pursue that i would do for examples. it was my son and i had the chance get him into a particular career job him into a particular careerjob that was involved in i would do it and i suppose they would call that nepotism, you know, before i became a teacher, you know, i'm a electrician by trade, not know so electrician know. yeah. so i'm electrician by trade. so when i was a young lad working on the building sites a apprentice, was sites as a apprentice, what was really apprentice that really all the apprentice that would the sons of would come in were the sons of the were already the fellows that were already working. carpenters and the working. the carpenters and the sparks the plumbers heating sparks and the plumbers heating engineers and bricklayers, etc. and just i never seen a and that was just i never seen a problem with that in the slightest. right is slightest. right but this is where i get like a little bit of cheer by things. sometimes you hear the and i that in certain jobs and careers maybe perhaps a lot of like black people or young working class people can't get the foot in the door.

certain careers in the city of london in the past or whatever and if you look after your your own sort of family, you're maybe precluding those people from getting the chance to get the getting the chance to get up the ladder before crack a whip. ladder now before crack a whip. so i've told so even though i've just told you i think i would pursue you that i think i would pursue and accept of nepotism and and accept a bit of nepotism and i would do it myself and my family, i do understand certain circumstance, which is it can perhaps anti meritocratic. so perhaps be anti meritocratic. so i've be as honest as i've tried to be as honest as possible answer, possible and give you my answer, michel. i respect that. michel. well i respect that. i know generally i'd be strongly in favour of meritocratic appointments , but i think there appointments, but i think there are two things to say. the is in the case of this particular company, which is yet to be or lmb, which is the big brand big company, it does actually belong to this guy . and when he dies, to this guy. and when he dies, presumably it'll be inherited by his kids and his family and think it's perfectly okay if he says that they've got to have some experience with business before they actually come to own . so that's completely . so i think that's completely understand . i think if it was understand. i think if it was a pubuc understand. i think if it was a

public company and you were just doing this, it would be much more impossible more difficult and impossible to explain because you have responsibilities to broader shareholders and other stakeholders . but this he's stakeholders. but this guy, he's going leave this company going to leave this company presumably they presumably to his kids. they should it. should know something about it. the second entirely agreed the second is entirely agreed with. think interesting with. i think it's interesting kevin's about the fact kevin's point about the fact that in this trade, in the in the building trades that was the building trades that he was talking hand on talking about fathers hand on skills to sons and that's part of how things actually get done when the that was very rare it was very rare. yeah that would have been very rare back then. it was rare, michel. that would have been very rare. and kevin because kevin, you can just see i'm spring chicken man i'm not a spring chicken man antediluvian like myself . so antediluvian like myself. so that have been rare . but that would have been rare. but it is also in other areas . so it is also in other areas. so for in music like jay for example, in music like jay given, sebastian bach , he had given, sebastian bach, he had half a dozen kids , he trained half a dozen kids, he trained them all to be musicians. they went on to be great musicians of the next generation. and mozart learnt all his all his music from father is a musician. from his father is a musician. this was what people were

expected if you had expected to do. if you had a skill, whether it was music , you skill, whether it was music, you try to handle it on because it gives your family , gives your gives your family, gives your own kids a chance to make a living. well, one of my view is phil's that he's got in touch saying nepotism is completely wrong. because to your point, what is that then what he's saying is that then basically you're exclu doing all the potentially better the he says potentially better people that role . i people from that role. i personally think maybe this isn't the right phrase, but charity begins at home. i think you your own. first, you look after your own. first, i would assume that son was i would assume that my son was any i'm not going any good. i'm not going to shoehorn kids. is a bit shoehorn my kids. alive is a bit gormless. not up the job. gormless. i'm not up to the job. i wouldn't do that. but if it was good for it, i definitely use my contacts to open doors, get yes and get him in the yes and i wouldn't i don't think if i'm being totally honest , wouldn't being totally honest, wouldn't stop oh if i get my son stop and go, oh if i get my son in, maybe i'm stopping that person, person, that person person, that person, that person . because i would think my first priority is to my own and then i'll branch out from there . do i'll branch out from there. do you know i get that 100. tell you know i get that 100. tell you a secret , you know i get that 100. tell you a secret, i'm just going to create problems for my wife.

going to go. i do want to have a massive rival in wife. a few years ago, she is more years ago, she is much more successful than me and new runs a particular i'm not going to tell you who it is, but you don't just particular, you know, instant fusion let's just say and i to get our and i stand hard to get our young lad in the for an intern ship and she said to me there's a queue of people from the best universities in country have universities in the country have been for months and been queuing up for months and months, trying to get an months, months, trying to get an internship not going to internship up. i'm not going to take say, your take them. i say, he's your flesh, blood. him in with flesh, blood. get him in with a huge, big you wouldn't huge, big rush. you wouldn't take the add he didn't take him. and the add he didn't get internship at her get to do the internship at her place. and that classically sums up the difference of opinion with yourself. with the viewer and yourself. but say could have but she got say she could have done to you could have up to yeah yeah for your kid yeah and one one. i'll tell one for the other one. i'll tell it when i get it's just it up when i get home it's just not a live you and i was for you said she's more successful than you. she's not on tv news trade. well success so well said, michelle. success so what a great line, by the way. i like that right. i'm going like that one. right. i'm going to a quick break. when

to take a quick break. when i come back, want to talk about come back, i want to talk about cash cash. do you cash cold, hard cash. do you still do you still trade still use it? do you still trade in it? apparently, more of us are reversing and going back are now reversing and going back to want your thoughts to cash. i want your thoughts on so you into .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry keep me company till 7:00 tonight alongside dad. me, the teacher on the offer, kevin rooney and daniel moylan, who's a in the house of a tory peer in the house of lords. and lots of you lords. lots and lots of you getting in contact about what we've teacher we've been tonight. teacher strikes , nepotism , houses. and strikes, nepotism, houses. and in a second i'll be getting in touch with talking to you guys about cash . lots of you are not about cash. lots of you are not really in favour. i have to say of the you know, like the mortgage, the government supporting to pay your mortgage . eileen says many people now

michelle using cash. i was talking about a second is too easy to run up debt with chip and chip and pay. and i think you raise a very good point, though, about debt. michael says, course, we need to keep says, of course, we need to keep using cash. why should big brother every single penny using cash. why should big bro spend every single penny using cash. why should big brospend and every single penny using cash. why should big brospend and where ingle penny using cash. why should big brospend and where we .e penny using cash. why should big brospend and where we spend|y using cash. why should big brospend and where we spend it, we spend and where we spend it, christopher is king christopher says cash is king and it when popes only and i hate it when popes only take cards. yeah, i don't like that either . take cards. yeah, i don't like that either. but i have to take cards. yeah, i don't like that either . but i have to say, that either. but i have to say, i don't use cash anymore. the reason that, by the way, that i'm talking about this is because you will have noticed that during covid, basically lots of organisations lots of companies, organisations said take said that they wouldn't take cash our use of it cash anymore. so our use of it was kind declining, was really kind of declining, but the use of cash now has risen for the first time in ten years. daniel, are you a cash man? i think we have to keep a cash option. i mean, it's quite interesting. this gets debated quite long in the house of lords, strangely enough, and there's support for keeping cash from because the from all the parties because the more wing parties see the problem that poorer problem that exists for poorer people , people who are excluded people, people who are excluded from getting bank bonds and

credit cards and, and things like that . and so they see it as like that. and so they see it as an issue exclusion that you if there's no cash option, what are these people going to do , i these people going to do, i understand that. but on the more conservative side, you also get who worry about that. but they also worry about the fact that, like some of you will read and your view, as it said, you've got this big brother thing. and i'll you way it hits. i'll tell you the way it hits. but, know, sometimes now you but, you know, sometimes now you go coffee shops and go into these coffee shops and they they don't cash in they say they don't take cash in bank. then you say, well, bank. and then you say, well, how about giving me a receipt? and say, oh, you have and they say, oh, you can have a receipt, but i don't have a printer. so can have printer. so you can have a receipt, but only you give me your email address. think that's a cheek? they're a cheek? actually, they're legally give you legally obliged to give you a receipt they're registered receipt if they're registered for nearly of for vat, which nearly all of them are. you try it out on them are. but you try it out on them. you say, can you give me a receipt? and they'll say, yeah, give your email address. give me your email address. i think it's cheat. but i say think it's a cheat. but i say that i that when i go to that i that often when i go to shops i'll say oh can i get shops and i'll say oh can i get a receipt that said what your email and i'll say no i don't

want your receipt. and i do get receipts. i think, receipts. kevin yeah, i think, first interesting, first of all, it's interesting, the gone up again and i the case has gone up again and i wonder, is that just a simple issue of are really issue of people are really conscious much they conscious about how much they spend and when you're topping up card, it much? but card, does it mean much? but when see the paper when you actually see the paper case from it's a case disappear from your it's a more vivid recollection. the fact that you spent a lot of money. so is a very money. so it is a very interesting point that i didn't know until you raised it, michel, okay. not michel, about okay. cases not increasing. look, i completely agree couple points increasing. look, i completely agre i've couple points increasing. look, i completely agre i've madeyuple points increasing. look, i completely agre i've made around points increasing. look, i completely agre i've made around social; that i've made around social exclusion. what some people call digital you know, digital poverty. but, you know, like online banking like i love online banking and i use i don't know i, don't use i don't know, i, i don't have all people more than have all i know people more than you would think it would be like a of any a bank account of any description and i don't have a description. and i don't have a credit card . and the thing about credit card. and the thing about it is, is that those people still exist as a lot more than you think . and i know that more you think. and i know that more and more people are. and online banking and cardless cash. but i think in a country of about 65, nearly 70 million people, i think there's a fair few million that prefer the old fashioned

way. and the point that i would really be is and i don't want to be coming across as a conspiracy theorist, but daniel dinosaur tangentially touched on. it's the of anonymity. i like the point of anonymity. i like when i'm when i'm doing things not necessarily have a trail. why i'm not do anything i ever thought to myself, i don't want a trail. it's not right. i don't know. i think deep inside there's a libertarian in me that just doesn't people who just doesn't like people who want like the freedom want up to like the freedom to go and do what i want to do gives me some kind power to walk away not feel can away with, not feel that can ever detected. agree with ever be detected. agree with that yeah, i think it's that? yeah, i do. i think it's important actually to opportunity and an important of maintaining liberty and autonomy actually . i mean, you know, in actually. i mean, you know, in in in the good old days , you pay in in the good old days, you pay the fare on the tube and you paid your fare. and that was that now you use your oyster card , your cash, contactless card, your cash, contactless payment, whatever the whole thing is traceable . is that thing is, is traceable. is that comfortable? you see the television dramas. i love watching police dramas , michel, watching police dramas, michel, you and it's where the you know, and it's where the where's the cctv get the credit

, the credit card. where , trace the credit card. where was done? so that's was this all done? and so that's how they crimes because they're watching all the whole time. watching it all the whole time. remember, it's not just cash, by the way. i often think the people that more about you the way. i often think the peaile that more about you the way. i often think the pe a place t more about you the way. i often think the pea place like more about you the way. i often think the pea place like supermarkets, you at a place like supermarkets, you you have you know, like when you have these things , point cards, these point things, point cards, they so much about you, they know. so much about you, they'll build these big, huge databases . that is the future databases. that is the future databases. that is the future data is one of the most valuable commodity . data is one of the most valuable commodity. it's duke, data is one of the most valuable commodity . it's duke, says commodity. it's duke, says michelle. the problem is if you don't carry cash, you can't put money in the tens of homeless people, etc. well, i don't know why you lift the all how the little thing is now just about to say, i don't know where he lives, but everyone i see, even the buskers and stuff have the buskers and stuff they have these little things and these little little things and when receipts on them when you get receipts on them they do not. and when you say no really sorry i don't carry cash though. out from that though. whip that out from that pants away you go. it's no pants and away you go. it's no excuse more, michel. excuse any more, michel. everyone be. and everyone should be. and make sure they do use their cash sure that they do use their cash . do you think, by the way, it should be legal ? sorry, i

. do you think, by the way, it should be legal? sorry, i think it should be illegal, actually. an organisation can say we won't take your cash . i think that if take your cash. i think that if cash is a legal in this country organised and should be forced basically to take it . carol basically to take it. carol you've emailed me in and said what is the definition of success? michelle that is an interesting one. i'm going to pick that up another day. that's all i've got time for, for tonight. kevin daniel, thank you very much. thank you to you at home. that's something nice for us to carol, tonight. us to ponder, carol, tonight. what definition of what is the definition of success? what does it mean to you? but for now, nigel farage success? what does it mean to yo up but for now, nigel farage success? what does it mean to youp next.yr now, nigel farage success? what does it mean to youp next. on )w, nigel farage success? what does it mean to youp next. on )w, ihand,'arage success? what does it mean to youp next. on )w, ihand, you e success? what does it mean to youp next. on )w, ihand, you saw is up next. on one hand, you saw him, good evening. what him, nigel, good evening. what have you got for us? good evening. almost unnoticed this week , samant rowley, week, samant rowley, commissioner of the met, has said increased use and targeted use of stop and search could reduce the murder rate in london by 50. but of course, many think it's racist to do so because disproportionately more black people get stopped than white people get stopped than white people will debate . tonight is

people will debate. tonight is the new boss of the met write about this. i have to say, i really rather think that he is. but before all of that, let's get the all important and increasingly awful weather . good increasingly awful weather. good evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office. turning very windy out there at the moment. every blustery on friday as well, but the winds will steadily ease and for many it a bit of a drier day it will be a bit of a drier day tomorrow. still tonight, though, we've got low pressure nearby and ice of us really and the ice of us really squeezing it's turn squeezing together. it's turn very across northern very windy now across northern ireland. one could cause ireland. that one could cause some possibly some disruption, possibly a bit of damage , certainly some of damage, certainly some issues. ferry crossings and issues. the ferry crossings and other public transport could be affected, too . the strong winds affected, too. the strong winds then transfer over the sea into nonh then transfer over the sea into north wales and parts of northern england. so again, a very starry night here with showers coming in for most areas too . but much of the east and too. but much of the east and south will be dry and that strong wind will stop. temperatures falling too far. we start tomorrow at or five start tomorrow at four or five celsius. it'll still feel cold

and that wind tomorrow morning, plenty northern plenty showers for northern ireland. north west ireland. swales north west england northern scotland . england and northern scotland. but of eastern england and but much of eastern england and much of the south will have dry day. even the showers in the day. and even the showers in the southwest should to fade in southwest should tend to fade in most becoming by the most places, becoming dry by the afternoon . some showers afternoon. but some showers still south west still feeding into south west scotland. some sunny spells and the winds will ease through the day. but will make it feel quite chilly temperatures 7 to 10 chilly with temperatures 7 to 10 celsius. so more rain to come in dunng celsius. so more rain to come in during evening. initially during friday evening. initially spreading into wales and northern ireland. but another massive rain then comes swamping in as go through the early in as we go through the early hours, a start of hours, bringing a soggy start of saturday for the vast majority , saturday for the vast majority, maybe a drier in northern maybe a bit drier in northern scotland . the rain hitting the scotland. the rain hitting the colder across scotland saw colder air across scotland saw some snow on the mountains should ease from should start to ease from northern ireland on saturday morning. then the rain tending to pull away from most places by saturday afternoon. so will saturday afternoon. so it will turn drier, but it's turn a bit drier, but it's staying and there will staying blustery and there will be showers double be more showers to come. double digits across the south for a time, but actually it'll probably turn as that

probably turn colder as that rain pulls away because that rain pulls away because that rain some mild air and rain has got some mild air and mixed in with it. and as that pulls away, look at the map turning blue. is going to turning blue. it is going to get colder through and colder through the weekend and into week with the return into next week with the return of and ice .

good evening. tonight on farage we'll discuss. stop and search the new boss of the met thinks more of it would cut the murder rate . some say that would be a rate. some say that would be a horrible racist abuse. we'll talk about prepayment metres . talk about prepayment metres. the scandal of the number of people whose electricity was simply cut off over the course of the last year. we'll be joined by prince philip of serbia. we'll talk about problems there on the border with kosovo and about djokovic going to the australian open

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