good evening. tonight on farage we'll discuss. stop and search the new boss of the met thinks more of it would cut the murder rate . some say that would be a rate. some say that would be a horrible racist abuse. we'll talk about prepayment metres . talk about prepayment metres. the scandal of the number of people whose electricity was simply cut off over the course of the last year. we'll be joined by prince philip of serbia. we'll talk about problems there on the border with kosovo and about djokovic going to the australian open

this year, not being under house arrest and joining me on talking points , international lawyer and points, international lawyer and businessman , the most businessman, the most appropriate name guest i've ever had on points. yes, his had on talking points. yes, his surname is beer. you couldn't invent it. mark baerjoins me on talking points. but before all of that , let's get the news with of that, let's get the news with poly of that, let's get the news with poly metal has. nigel thank you and good evening to you. well, on his first visit to scotland as prime minister today, rishi sunak has been holding talks with the first minister, nicholas sturgeon the two leaders expected to touch on a range of issues, including the nhs and the cost of living. he's also seeking to discuss with ms. sturgeon her push for scottish independence. where due to get a joint announcement on their plans for government funding tomorrow. on that, full details gb news. now the government says a meeting between the health secretary and health leaders today was good and constructive . it comes as new nhs england

data shows ambulances took an hour and a half on average to respond to call outs in the month of december. that's the longest response time on record . details on pay weren't discussed at today's meeting, but steve barclay was warned he must address the workforce crisis. shadow attorney general emily thornberry told gb news earlier talks are the only way forward . much better, surely, is forward. much better, surely, is to use the system that we already have , which is that already have, which is that people negotiate. they basic safety levels and. you can see nurses running off picket lines in order to go and help when there is a particular crisis . there is a particular crisis. that's the reality. that's what's always happened. and we know that even if they do pass this legislation is not going to help with the current situation. the current situation can only be helped if the government stops playing games, sits down and talks to the unions and negotiate its deal . now there's negotiate its deal. now there's been travel disruption today for

passengers in and around london with strikes on the newly opened elizabeth line . members from the elizabeth line. members from the transport salaried staff association and the union prospect of both walked off the job over pay and pensions. the two unions rejected a 4.4% increase this year. transport for london has warned of short nofice for london has warned of short notice , cancellations and notice, cancellations and changes to schedules. the labour leader , sir keir starmer, says leader, sir keir starmer, says the government needs to up its negotiation skills . i don't want negotiation skills. i don't want to see this industrial action . i to see this industrial action. i want to lead a government that resolves these issues. on the last labour government you didn't have a national strike for nurses, you had fair pay for nurses and we think that you should be in the room negotiating, sorting out these problems . negotiating, sorting out these problems. the negotiating, sorting out these problems . the northern negotiating, sorting out these problems. the northern ireland secretary said there is still a way to go to resolve the row over the northern ireland protocol . and a warning if protocol. and a warning if you're watching on tv there are flashing images coming up. the irish premier and the labour

leader both met political parties stormont today to parties at stormont today to discuss the post brexit trade rules on the irish land border. the dup has been blocking the formation of a proper government until the protocol is dramatically altered or even removed . those are your latest removed. those are your latest news headlines. you're up to date on tv, online and dab plus radio u with gb news the people's channel. well, now it's time for thrash . time for thrash. good evening . it's an argument good evening. it's an argument that, to my knowledge has been going on since the brixton riots of 1981. it's all about stop and search and how it's used now. the relatively new boss of the met, sam reilly, he has said this week almost unnoticed by any media to channel my astonishment. but he has said that the increased and targeted

use of stop and search could reduce attempted murders and murders in london by 50. and he says that over the course of the last year, murders in london have fallen, particularly amongst youths quite significantly . now that, of significantly. now that, of course, you never read that many papers because you never read a good news story. that's impossible. however in a brief look at the numbers shows the number of black people that are stopped and searched are disproportionately way , way disproportionately way, way higher than their popular action in the capital. as a whole. but thatis in the capital. as a whole. but that is justified , many believe, that is justified, many believe, by the fact that 45% of murder victim in london are black , and victim in london are black, and 61% of those that are found to be guilty are also black. so is this a debate about race or is this a debate about race or is this a debate actually about protecting many members of the black community? one thing for certain, stop and search has always been a very contentious

issue. now, the total number of stop and search is now is half what it was in london when the tories came to power. theresa may had a lot to do with that. again, being fearful that she might be seen as home secretary to be racist . our debate tonight to be racist. our debate tonight is , mark rowley. right. let know is, mark rowley. right. let know your thoughts very gb news dot uk . i your thoughts very gb news dot uk. i personally think anything that makes london a safer place must surely from a policing perspective be the right thing to do. but how do you balance that against the accusations that against the accusations that the met is institutionally racist ? it's not an easy one. racist? it's not an easy one. i'm joined by peter black's lead, former metropolitan police detective . peter you're a detective. peter you're a veteran. you've been around in all of this. you remember the brixton riots and the accusations that have later about institutions or racism, etc. interesting position that

sum up really has taken as a relatively new boss, the met. he's saying this stuff works. doesitin he's saying this stuff works. does it in your view? undoubtedly. and i really commend sir mccrory for being courageous enough to tell the truth this week . and you're truth this week. and you're right, i was there in the dark, filthy , foul, racist days of the filthy, foul, racist days of the late seventies and the early eighties . i late seventies and the early eighties. i was there the weekend , the excuse me, the weekend, the excuse me, the brixton burnt and it burned because of vile policing that was imposed upon young black men . so there was guilt? oh, undoubtedly i'm done without a shadow of it. young black men were fitted up and beaten up. the met police has come a long, long way since then. fortunately, as high society. but because there have been so many sensitivities around the subject, i think some police leaders have been afraid to say quite forcefully the truth and the truth is there is no alternative to stop and search. it works as your stats, your

accurate stats highlighted earlier in this piece . there is earlier in this piece. there is 61% of people who are convicted of knife murders are black men and 45% of knife murder victims are black. so often stop and search is used in a tactic in areas with sizeable black populations to save lives. okay tracy miller, author, social worker and former gang member. hello. this is this. as i said, you know, all my adult life, this has been a hugely contentious issue . you can't contentious issue. you can't dispute the figures way more black people are stopped and searched. but isn't this in a way actually to protect members of the black community so naturally stop and search is to protect everyone. isn't it. that's the whole point. you stop and search. you shouldn't be about colour. there are also what's it called? stop an. does that exist . i'm asking you. well that exist. i'm asking you. well because you can't stop . yeah.

because you can't stop. yeah. and if there no grounds to, then search them, you just stop. and there's no legally , they don't there's no legally, they don't have to answer your questions. they don't to stay. so with all these statistics coming from just stop and search and not being when it comes to being recorded when it comes to stop account because are stop an account because they are two different things like who's recording this and is it recording this data and is it been correctly? first of been done correctly? first of all, yes , young black youths , all, yes, young black youths, adults, they do carry knives. i'm getting away from that. i'm not going to that. they don't. but it's stop and search in my mind is suspicion based power. so is it down to the officer on beat that decides the suspicion is, is it coming from higher up ? this is what the protocol is and this is where we stop and that's what my problem is . i that's what my problem is. i have the answers to those questions , tracey. firstly it questions, tracey. firstly it can be conducted by an individual officer , his or her individual officer, his or her initiative because of what they

see, what they've intelligence they may have received or an incident that might have happened recently. for example, a mirror set of reasons why an individual or a pair of officers might conduct a stop and search . there is also something called a section 63 order which can be imposed by a senior officer , imposed by a senior officer, whereby there is no need to have any grounds to stop and search officers can stop and search anybody within a given area . anybody within a given area. when that order is applied and that order would usually follow an outbreak of gang violence might be a murder where there a fear that there will be revenge attacks. and that is proper street policing, isn't it? would it be likely because we're going to look at stereotypes and again, whether it's conscious unconscious biases and would it be likely that a young black person would be stopped ? they person would be stopped? they were wearing a shirt or a suit with a belt and a tie . would with a belt and a tie. would they be stopped? but the suspicion of having a knife or a gun on them, what the truth is .

gun on them, what the truth is. they'd be less likely to be stopped to be wearing a suit? yes. no, we understand that and we get that. but what, peter is talking you know, the talking about, you know, the police , the that police using, the powers that they an that has been they have is in an that has been subject recent the last subject in the recent the last 48 hours to gun violence . isn't 48 hours to gun violence. isn't it reasonable that the police take these measures ? i take these measures? i understand that. and yes, there are people that run around with guns and knives, but there are also not people that do that. so it's like, how do you to the bottom of who does and who doesn't? i guess it will be via and search, then that's and search, but then that's based officer and his based on the officer and his judgement it wrong judgement and they get it wrong a of the time if you are in a lot of the time if you are in an area is caucasian, what used to have a you know, what about when they get it right they get it right save lives then it right and save lives then that's but if you're that's great. but if you're in an area there's an area where there's predominantly white, then when you them , they will have you stop them, they will have knives on them as well. that knives on them as well. is that being recorded? that's my being recorded? and that's my point. come the point. would that come the stop an opposed using the an account opposed to using the stop they feature stop and search. they do feature in stats and it is a smaller in the stats and it is a smaller proportion of whites, young men

that get stopped and searched compared to black men. but i would say no matter who is stopped and search in the street and it is thousands of them in my time as a police officer , if my time as a police officer, if you're polite. but you often need to be both , you can be both need to be both, you can be both . you explain your reasons. need to be both, you can be both . you explain your reasons . you . you explain your reasons. you if need be, explain the action section. the law under which you are carrying out and you remain courteous at all times . that courteous at all times. that goes a long way towards building bndges goes a long way towards building bridges and not dismantling them. and of course a stop of somebody in the street does not always have to end up in a search. i'd like to change that? i'd like the police to call it observe and engage . and then if observe and engage. and then if they follow through. actually, we saw a big reduction in youth murders in london last year. is it possible , though, that the it possible, though, that the targeted use of stop and search help those numbers ? undoubtedly help those numbers? undoubtedly 30 teenagers murdered in london

in 20/24. in 2021. i beg your pardon ? 14 in 2022, of course. pardon? 14 in 2022, of course. 14. tragic. so too many, but yes, tragic, but that reduction is a good thing in itself. and stop and search was very much a feature of that what you said it should done in a well respected manner. explain to the young person, however, what's going to happen so what do you call when it's a stop and search? it turns into three officers containing a young or detaining a young person. one's kneeling in his chest. you can hear him visibly . you know, you can hear the audio like, i can't breathe. i need my mum. what do you call that? i would say, are you are you saying that that that many members of the black communities say still regard them as the enemy when they're going to be doing stop and searches in that kind of where it turns into a young person can't breathe and potentially can be hospitalised . that would be that, of course, but that would be and that would

be abuse of police be that would be abuse of police powers against, member of powers against, any member of any course. but any community, of course. but i want know what call that, want to know what you call that, because explain what stop because you explain what stop and should be. and this and search should be. and this is and search looks like is what and search looks like now think before peter now can you think before peter answers me just ask answers that? let me just ask you. do think the you. yeah what do you think the match to try and do to stop the amount of knife crime murders in london everyone if was london stop everyone that if was stop thing that you stop and search thing that you need place and stop need to have in place and stop everyone you have a borough everyone if you have a borough of london where there have not been any for the last five been any youth for the last five years compared to a borough or even a district in london, in which there have been several, what would you do? stop everyone? because never everyone? because you never know. don't that. but you know. i don't buy that. but you know. i don't buy that. but you know. okay, i understand you can see peter black. there is see peter black. so there is still residual fear , still some residual fear, suspicion of the met. what else do they have to do? what else? the new commissioner really to do to convince people is the right course of action. neither policing. rowley spoke about that again this week and he's committed to reinventing the wheel in that regard. and i

welcome that . community welcome that. community engagement is important . excuse engagement is important. excuse me , but the communities that me, but the communities that need to be engaged with are those who are victims of crime and those who perpetrate crime . and those who perpetrate crime. if the police do that properly all times, every community will love seeing their police on the street. i would draw stubbs in this debate. i'll thank both for taking part of it and it is, you know, a hugely emotive issue. it has been all my adult life. it will go on being. so let's just this new boss of the met is more effective in reducing crime than his predecessor. in a moment, we'll talk about the scandal pre—payment metres in people's homes for electricity emissions of people who literally have been cut off in the last year.

well some quite strong thoughts

from you at home on whether met commissioner smart really is right . stewart says house phone. right. stewart says house phone. could he promise such results ? could he promise such results? how about give it a try a given penod how about give it a try a given period without then view the data. well stewart all of this needs to be data driven . agree needs to be data driven. agree with you. but i think i presented you at the top of the segment with some pretty overweight living facts. another viewer. yeah, right . and they viewer. yeah, right. and they said in london , well, he's said in london, well, he's absolutely right about this having many surveillance cameras , more than any other city in the world would reduce crime considerably . they lied in order considerably. they lied in order to . reduce your rights to to. reduce your rights to privacy. you know what? whoever you are , the more surveillance you are, the more surveillance cameras there are , the more cameras there are, the more crime there is , the more crime there is, the more relatively innocent people are going about their lives. finish up getting fined for all sorts. david says yes, of course. he's right . but it david says yes, of course. he's right. but it will david says yes, of course. he's right . but it will never happen right. but it will never happen again in our lifetimes. don't be

sure about that. i think this new met police chief is getting off to a positive start. i at least want to give him the benefit of , the doubt. now we benefit of, the doubt. now we debate energy endlessly on this program. we have ever since we launched. program. we have ever since we launched . but there's always launched. but there's always a new story . there's always a new new story. there's always a new scandal . and there's another one scandal. and there's another one today. well, i'm very. that ros clarke , energy journalist who clarke, energy journalist who writes in the sun and the mail of the telegraph and goodness knows what else. and ros friend of the programme . it'll be of the programme. it'll be a shock to a lot of people . shock to a lot of people. they've seen this report that has come out from citizens that a stunning . 3.2 million people a stunning. 3.2 million people with prepayment metres have been left with cold and dark homes. at some point in the last year. explain to us how these prepayment metres work and how they're installed . well, these they're installed. well, these are metres where have to, as it sounds , you have to pay for your

sounds, you have to pay for your electricity up front rather than use electricity and then pay for it in a bid. is that because you're a bad credit risk? i'm well, you can probably choose to have one if you want to, but it's cases. it's because people have felt fell behind with their bills and the energy companies have forced them to have a metre and there were three 370 south and there were three 370 south and last year where prepayment metres were not just forced on them but forced on them by court warrants and you know energy comes just polls on that. yes. yeah and let it sink in for the listeners in the viewers say 370,000 homes in this country . 370,000 homes in this country. there was a warrant. yeah so, you know, energy company arrives that door with a warrant to enter your property , come in and enter your property, come in and forcibly remove your metre and if you, you know, force you force , you want to prepayment in

force, you want to prepayment in future. but what's really worrying this is because the consequence is of being switched on to a prepayment me promise, you know, having your house facing broken into by the energy company is bad enough . facing broken into by the energy company is bad enough. but facing broken into by the energy company is bad enough . but what company is bad enough. but what happens then is you'll pay higher price for your electricity than if you're on, you know, direct and that sort of thing . higher price you pay of thing. higher price you pay a higher unit price, you let's see those that are the poorest in society who respond to that because they can't afford their energy bills, they end up paying a little bit more for their ros. why nobody across the road in why is nobody across the road in this building behind us in parliament represent? why is no one screaming about this? i find it absolutely weird. the response of parliament government and opposition to the whole business of this. the past year because, you know, bills have gone through the roof, but, you know, what have they done? they've sort of said give n £400 they've sort of said given £400 every single household in the country , you know, to people country, you know, to people billionaire is billionaires who do not need this money. they've

given them . give us al l £400 given them. give us all £400 each to help with our bills capped all our bills , people who capped all our bills, people who don't need it. and at the same time, these people who really cannot because they've fallen to the net. and if you were on pre—payment metre, you have to buy voucher price from the shops. it's very hard it's much harder to get that for shops. it's very hard it's much harder to get that fo r £1, you harder to get that for £1, you know, bang from the government to help from, you know, your bills. those are people are bills. so those are people are really left those are really left out. those are looking ross what we pay before we came on air basically we pay 50% more for electricity than we were in france or germany. we pay double for our electricity if we were living australia and we're more expensive than america and i know we've done this before on this program, but it bears repetition. why is electricity in this country more expensive? so much more expensive? so much more expensive than our neighbours? yeah well, we've got a very perverse energy market. we are,

we switched to renewable because of 40% wind and solar, about 40% gas. and you know the different . some days in december it was 2% wind and a lot of gas. . some days in december it was 2% wind and a lot of gas . wind 2% wind and a lot of gas. wind is producing 50% and gas very little . but the way the market little. but the way the market works is that the price paid to all the producers of electricity is fixed by the highest the price commanded by the highest cost producer. and what happens is, you know , wind drops away is, you know, wind drops away and need extra power to go in grid. so you know the goes out thanks to a gas producer who you know has to charge a very high price because they're only producing electricity for very short period of time. and you know the per unit cost of the producing electricity for very short time is very high and. you know, if that sort of 200 per kilowatt and the wind you

normally might cost $0.50 per kilowatt hour, suddenly the wind company is also receiving 200 pence for our. interest. this was invented when the energy market was the energy industry . market was the energy industry. what electricity industry was private is back in the eighties and they they had to sort of invent this sort of world bogus market because of, you know, we're getting the same electricity you know, you don't you getting the same electrons, whoever your provider is or where it's coming from. so they had to invent this sort of bogus market, which , you know, in market, which, you know, in normal times. so basically we're paying normal times. so basically we're paying off for our electricity . paying off for our electricity. but any other consumers in any other part of the western world, not just consumers, but our businesses , many of whom close businesses, many of whom close because of high energy costs and with pre—payment metres, the poorest in society and are now expected to pay even more , find expected to pay even more, find the whole thing a complete scandal. ross final thought , all scandal. ross final thought, all of this there were many of us

were deeply worried that come this winter, which we're in there could be potential outages and national was preparing us for perhaps on which between four and seven we wouldn't be able to get any electricity. is the mild weather making us and the mild weather making us and the rest of europe rather complacent at the. well, the mild weather is helping enormously, as i just just about 50% of our just in the last few days has come from wind energy because the wind blowing at very, very, very high and it's also very so that reduces the heating demand of course. but you know, if we swing back and we could easily swing back into sort of whether we had in mid—december, if we get that in february, we could be in trouble again. but i'm. what has happened and i think people aren't necessarily quite so aware this is that because of you know this winter we were facing this great shortage those , huge investment around europe in floating lng terminals

liquefy natural gas and. we're importing a lot of this uquefied importing a lot of this liquefied gas now from the us and from qatar and that's filled up a lot of the european storage and it has sort of, you know, staved off the crisis and russia and the germans, of course, have now got quite big stores of natural gas, haven't we? have no facilities to do so, yes. do you see any change in government energy policy going ahead from here? think this energy here? well, i think this energy market just has be reformed. you know, we've got strategic know, we've got the strategic situation now where government is handing out bungs to energy consumers to help with the sky high bills . the energy companies high bills. the energy companies are making huge profits and then government is skimming some of those profits in windfall tax. this is a merry go round of money, you know. what we need is a properly functioning rather than these bungs and windfall taxes. ross clarke, you've done as much as journalist in this country to expose the nonsense

in our energy markets and the costs that ordinary folk are paying. keep doing what . you do. paying. keep doing what. you do. and thank you for joining us this evening. in a moment, we'll be joined by prince philip of . be joined by prince philip of. we'll talk about we'll talk about our royal family and what he thinks. we'll talk about the of king constantine of greece this week. all of that in a moment .

welcome back. well, i'm joined now by prince philip of serbia. he's live from belgrade. i want say a big welcome to program. thank you for on. now we've seen this week we've seen death of the last king of greece, king constantine , who, of course, was constantine, who, of course, was a godfather of yours and linked and related, of course, to the

late duke of edinburgh. i'm sorry for your loss . do you , as sorry for your loss. do you, as a member of a european royal family do you see any prospect of monarchies in europe? i do. king konstantin was my godfather. he was also related to my father's mother, who was alexander of greece, who was so there she was , i believe, aunt there she was, i believe, aunt to king constantine . so to king constantine. so i believe that monarchies do have a time and place in in the modern world that we that we live in. i believe that the let's put it this way that the democracy, as we can see, is it's failing before our eyes and we i believe that monarchies have low time preference philosophy that we're not in, that we don't think about doing things and now and discounting the future. so basically saying

that the democracy is all about instant gratification . and every instant gratification. and every five years we have a new a new system with everybody revolted and the same story over and over again without any progress. while the monarchy decisions are made that last for the long term, decisions are made. that's very interesting. now it's very interesting. it's interesting i mean, we of course, you know , mean, we of course, you know, had had the loss of our queen last september and a massive outpouring of grief and emotion that took place this country and a very popular monarchy. i'm going to ask you a question you might want to dodge, but do you think prince harry is doing the reputation of the british royal family the amount of harm that i think it is. i believe yes, i believe he is. but i also believe he is. but i also believe it's spread and bread and circus. it's all theatre. he's making a lot of money out of it. him and meghan. i think that's a respect , a loss. i that's a respect, a loss. i think that's disrespectful

towards the family. they said they wanted to be left alone, but here they are making $100 million. netflix shows. and he's going on on huge interviews and now coming out with a book called what is it to spare , called what is it to spare, which is some spare. so it's probably some freudian fantasyland in there. so it's really don't think is respectful . you know, i, i used to sort of relate to prince harry. i was younger. he had the cheeky side. it was all quite fun and everything. no one had respect for then, but since for him then, but since he getting together with meghan, i had nothing wrong with being meghan. became meghan. but then they became a little woke and little bit too woke and obviously didn't respect what the monarchy actually stands for . talking before, . as i was talking before, monarchy about is monarchy really is about a is about long, know , the about the long, you know, the long long time long term the long time preference. i mean, no time preference. i mean, no time preference thinking philosophy that for a long time. that lasted for a long time. this is pretty unique. it's quite custom respect. it creates continuity . and then there they

continuity. and then there they are just saying, no , no, me, me, are just saying, no, no, me, me, me. i want i want it my way i'm not respected. i mean, look, it's disgusting. now, serbia i was in belgrade this time last year with the djokovic family when novak was virtually under house, virtually under house arrest in in melbourne. and let's hope he goes out and wins the wins. the title to . a quick the wins. the title to. a quick thought. a quick thought, if you could. we don't understand much about it . the balkans could. we don't understand much about it. the balkans has could. we don't understand much about it . the balkans has always about it. the balkans has always been very complicated for british people. there are some very serious tensions on border with kosovo. the board has been shut, but in serbia and kosovo recently. please tell us . tell recently. please tell us. tell us. we're not heading back towards another balkan. i hope not. firstly, i would like to give my support to djokovic. he is a national hero. national treasure. i fully support for his his beliefs and he is totally for the for taking a stance that back then and it's proven to be even more right today with given the current situation with the access access

deaths circle. but we're not allowed to talk about much. but i'm there will be big news i'm sure there will be big news soon. regarding regarding soon. now, regarding regarding the kosovo . well, i can comment the kosovo. well, i can comment on that. i think, you know, i'm happily unvaccinated i saw i waited on the sidelines, wanted to see what how this experience impairment panned out. i actually have phi phi so and then now we do give we do give balance but we do give balance to both arguments on this show. but just a quick a quick thought. very quick thought. if i can on kosovo . sure. for i can on kosovo. sure. for certain . so kosovo firstly it's certain. so kosovo firstly it's it dependents was, in my opinion , in many, many people's opinion around the world that it was illegitimate. it was an unilateral decision done in 2008 that didn't really incorporate a referendum . this was done by referendum. this was done by powers. it's such as the us, germany and the uk and still to today we have countries like spain and greece russia, india, china and brazil still not recognising kosovo , its

recognising kosovo, its independence . kosovo is a huge, independence. kosovo is a huge, hugely cultural importance to serbia. it is part of it is serbian soil. they're the patriarch and throne that for the last 800 years it is it is very important to serbia's sovereignty so that what's happening today i think someone is just let's see rustling the bush a little bit to try and create a little bit more stability in the region, maybe. why? yeah well, we get a little we're going to watch it very, very carefully to what you said. but yeah at some point, at some point at some point, we're going to get you back on what you you in london, in the studio to talk about bitcoin, which you are great enthusiast for. and given the current recent scandals , it the current recent scandals, it maybe needs a few people to speak up on its behalf. but for now, can i say an enormous thanks for joining me tonight on gb news. it was a thank you . gb news. it was a thank you. write a couple of quick. well, the fridges now, would you adam and eve it we keep talking about

american universities. well this time it's the university of southern california and the band word now from them is wait for it. field yes. no longer can you field of study. no, no, no you've got to say practical field , they believe, can be field, they believe, can be associated some way with slaves working in the fields. associated some way with slaves working in the fields . god help working in the fields. god help us. we're heading orwellian newspeak. and speaking of american incompetence . president american incompetence. president biden, talk about what the hours moment so the fbi guy raided mar a lago because trump had classified there they even went through melania's knicker drawers . there was a debate as drawers. there was a debate as to whether trump had legally declared defied those documents or not. it now turns out that ten classified documents from obama's time have been found in

biden's tank. he did not have any powers. what so ever to declassify as vice president . so declassify as vice president. so i'm waiting. i'm waiting for the fbi on the white house. i'm waiting for the fbi raid on biden's house in delaware. do think it's going to happen ? not think it's going to happen? not a chance in hell . think it's going to happen? not a chance in hell. in a moment, i'll be joined on talking points by someone called mark baer. yes. baer on talking points in just a moment. coming up on dan wootton tonight as prince harry's memoir gets pulled apart like that, checkers , do you like that, checkers, do you consider spare a of fiction? john will get your views before one of the world's top conservative commentators, candace owens , takes the candace owens, takes the sussexes to task . plus, it sussexes to task. plus, it shouldn't come . on a deranged shouldn't come. on a deranged attempt to reverse brexit and

have the bbc proven their anti—british by making a podcast with shamima begum. john. 9 pm. to 11 pm. on .

it's talking points. i'm joined by mark beer obe . if i was by mark beer obe. if i was having a beer and smoking, ha ha. it's . a first year. now, ha. it's. a first year. now, mark successful international lawyer , businessman and you've lawyer, businessman and you've spent time working in parts of the world about which most of us know almost nothing . tell us know almost nothing. tell us about how's exton. you've done extensive work in kazakhstan. you were a legal advisor to the supreme court there. i mean, it's a name most people would struggle to find it on the map,

and yet things are happening there, aren't they? they are. i mean, it's the ninth largest country in the world. is the largest landlocked country . it's largest landlocked country. it's incredible. and what most people don't is that part of their don't know is that part of their legal system is run by brits . legal system is run by brits. harry wolf, who was the lord chief justice here. set up an engush chief justice here. set up an english language common law system. lord mantz is running that now. so in terms of doing business through kazakhstan into central asia, where the returns at about averaging 20% at the moment per year , which is moment per year, which is phenomenal, the historic problem worse. is it safe? yeah you know, people didn't speak russian or kazakh or uzbek. but now with the english language environment that they've created, with english judges and law, you can now access 22% returns with a safe day of knowing that your business is protected . we see don't say protected. we see don't say that. we don't tell people things on this program. they haven't heard before. you've been involved in the been heavily involved in the uae. involved in dubai. uae. heavily involved in dubai. places like that. so much money going there. it's unbelievable,

isn't it? yeah, it's unbelievable. it's all around the world. i think citizens are starting to get frustrated that the that they're paying the services that they're paying for aren't worth the money that they're paying. you know, towards them. and it's that sort of the independence of sovereign also full service is perfect, isn't it? well, it's also full service is perfect, isn't it? well, it' s £2,750 a isn't it? well, it's £2,750 a person for every man, woman and child in this country. so yes, it's a fabulous system primary and secondary care. but it's a fabulous system primary and secondary care. bu t £2,750 and secondary care. but £2,750 per person based on value , you per person based on value, you one has to look at that the same you know, we could talk about ambulances now, you know, if you had the opportunity to buy an ambulance service privately, you could get it properly for less come the cost of the service that getting. so what's that we're getting. so what's happening, that people happening, nigel, is that people are to look wherever are starting to look wherever they are in the world and saying, for the money i'm contributing towards the centre, am i getting a return? no i am saying, you know, people in their late twenties, early thirties leaving the country, going elsewhere. yeah they think

they're being, they think they're being, they think they're paying too much for they're paying too much tax for too little return. it's real too little return. it's a real problem. experience of problem. your experience of business genuinely global. next week davos world evil . the week it's davos world evil. the evil world economic forum , klaus evil world economic forum, klaus schwab. he wants to make us all poon schwab. he wants to make us all poor, but things will be happy. the great reset . tell us about the great reset. tell us about the wef very briefly. it's an institution that started as a think tank and it's growing and it's enormously influential . and it's enormously influential. and i was associated with it. i sat on the justice committee looking at reforms that could take place across the world, that would drive economies and drive investment and drive opportunity . and it's grown into a very powerful force . but i think you powerful force. but i think you probably know more about it than than most . look, you know, i am than most. look, you know, i am suspicious of too many decisions being taken at a global level beyond the reach of voters. you know , that's what for me, the know, that's what for me, the brexit thing was all about. i

mean, i believe in international trade. i worked in international trade. i worked in international trade for years, but it's about that balance. i think there is a suspicion and a feeling that big business has become just too interlinked with government and major decisions. so i think a lot of that suspicion is around that. but look at our place in the world. we made a decision in 2016 that we formulate our own trade policy, make our own decisions. something that i believe for decades could be to our advantage. how do you how do you think we're doing? well, it's about the implementation, the concept, fine. but the implementation has been shambolic, utterly shambolic . shambolic, utterly shambolic. but that's not to say there isn't significant opportunity depending on the data, and it's difficult to know which is correct. but 95% of businesses in uk don't export globally. in the uk don't export globally. you know, 5% to the eu. but but the rest? not really. so there is a significant opportunity to high growth markets. central asia , 22% returns, risk adjusted

asia, 22% returns, risk adjusted 8. middle east higher than that. and we've got such talent in this country, such brilliant, such well—led , educated people, such well—led, educated people, such well—led, educated people, such phenomenal service sector, brilliant manufacturing sector, aerospace sector . and yet aerospace sector. and yet they're not access in the opportunities that are available to them. and i think, you know , to them. and i think, you know, part of the role i see now, having come back to the uk in 2018, is helping business succeed globally, helping them to enter markets safely and to grow in those markets and make more jobs and pay more tax. in terms of our global position. duncan lee. brexit could be a big benefit, couldn't it? don't correct. of course, brexit could be a big benefit, but done correctly. trade it is a big benefit. not only to the creation of jobs and opportunity here and the payment of tax to pay here and the payment of tax to pay for the services here. but in terms of spreading the exit, look at education, look at the phenomenal educational institute institutes we here at a institutes we have here at a university level. and look at how well they travel around the rest of the world and that that ability of to transport

ability of us to transport something so special that we've grown over hundreds and thousands of years here and improve the lives of others around the world and make a bit of it. it's of money doing it. it's phenomenal, but we're not doing enough i have to say, enough of it. no, i have to say, i've very frustrated by the i've been very frustrated by the sort of inertia that i see coming from that building there. it's downing street by now. you are you are described as a futurist , somebody who can help futurist, somebody who can help us sort of decode the future part of that future is clearly going to be blockchain, isn't it? how big a development is that? well i think as barriers, boundanes that? well i think as barriers, boundaries and borders are going up, as tariffs are on the increase, as we're sort of globalising from a physical trade as trade perspective, as governments are imposing more control into their environment, the consensus , you know, it's the consensus, you know, it's about coercion. i coerce you to pay about coercion. i coerce you to pay your taxes because if you don't punish you and i'll coerce you to pay the tariff for imported goods , or i'll put a imported goods, or i'll put a pre—payment metre, well, i'll

issue an order to put a payment to make you pay more than anybody else. right. so as government is more about control than us, that control is driven by boundaries and borders, and the terrorists agree with it. commerce to find commerce will look to find a different way of doing business and the way that that finding is now digital decentralised now using digital decentralised business platforms. now the blockchain houses cryptocurrencies, which are speculative of stable currencies , which are pegged to a fiat currency but are still digital. but more importantly than that, you can house your contract in there. now, if you're contra fact is housed across 2000 servers in 50 countries now in the virtual state can gain access to it and start to interfere with it and to challenge it and you and i can now set up a company on a satellite in space so we can have a company set up on a satellite in space immune from the control of the nation . we the control of the nation. we can run a contract using digital assets and a digital contract on the blockchain of which no nafion the blockchain of which no nation has control. and what doesit

nation has control. and what does it do? that's about 3% efficient efficiency each of the supply chain, because i'm not having to deal at each border with another of tariffs and with another set of tariffs and complexities. so when we talk about blockchain in the context of bitcoin, i'm not necessarily a fan. i think there's too much volatility in there for to volatility in there for it to gain acceptance. but when i talk about digital currencies as a second wit to conduct business seamlessly around the world, overcoming the barriers and boundanes overcoming the barriers and boundaries and borders that are on the rise is huge. change huge opportunities, massive change. i mean, yeah, huge change. i actually think for the last 50 years, apart from the internet , years, apart from the internet, we haven't really seen huge technological advances. but i suspect with al and everything else, we're on the verge of some big stuff. all of which worries me. mark, you know, so many jobs that people do are going to be just going to disappear on my what it is about having a flexible workforce isn't it's about workforce about having a workforce sufficient that sufficient, well—educated that they adapt and adopt. yeah, they can adapt and adopt. yeah, that was the saying. i think it came the world economic came from the world economic

forum. something forum. i never get something like 50% of kids going into education today will do a job that doesn't exist today. yeah, that doesn't exist today. yeah, that was the kind of number maybe more or less. but the key to it is if we're training our children to be creative and to be flexible and training them to think more broadly, to be adaptable, they're likely adaptable, then they're likely to world which is to succeed in a world which is ever changing, changing faster. if we continue as we teach lawyers today lawyers still today learn historic cases , then they become historic cases, then they become essentially worthless for that knowledge because as we've seen from open ai, a computer is from an open ai, a computer is far more able to analyse vast datasets and produce an out scary. but what we offer is humanity . that's that's what we humanity. that's that's what we offer you and i and the audience . we offer humanity, mercy , . we offer humanity, mercy, compassion. we haven't got ai . we offer humanity, mercy, compassion. we haven't got al to deliver that yet. so we know that robotic judges are 41% up to 41% more accurate than human judges. to 41% more accurate than human judges . that's a fact that's judges. that's a fact that's proven . but what they can't do proven. but what they can't do is deliver mercy . well, thank

is deliver mercy. well, thank goodness for that. absolutely a pleasure. thank you . i've got pleasure. thank you. i've got a minute or two left. this barrage, the barrage. michael asks me, without the huge influx of migrants on an annual basis with the innate yes be in today's mess. with the innate yes be in today's mess . and to be fair , today's mess. and to be fair, massive numbers many millions of migrants coming into britain , migrants coming into britain, about 8 million have come in net since 2001. a lot of them are young, but if you add up the strain on housing, the nhs and all the rest of it, we have a major population and demographic crisis in this country and i want wants to talk about it. i've got time for one more. richard asks me who is worse as chancellor? gordon brown . oh, chancellor? gordon brown. oh, check me out . so goodness check me out. so goodness gracious me . oh, gordon brown gracious me. oh, gordon brown has a unique place for me .

has a unique place for me. having spent 20 years as a metals dealer . when he announced metals dealer. when he announced that he was going to sell hundreds of tonnes metric tonnes of gold, the exact dates of which he was going to sell them and he sold, that goes on an average price of 258 bucks an houn average price of 258 bucks an hour, it's currently trading hour, and it's currently trading at 850. gordon is a was a very popular boxer , 1970 is, dare i popular boxer, 1970 is, dare i say, i thought it probably appued say, i thought it probably applied to that particular chancellor of the exchequer. i'm done for the week, but i'm back with you on monday at 7 pm. have a good weekend. i'm going to hand you over now to bev turner. good evening, nigel . turner. good evening, nigel. nice to see you. i wasn't quite ready there. it's been a busy day. i had my show at 10:00 this morning. i went and had a nap, and now i'm back on air in place of mark steyn. very happy to have hot seat tonight. stay have the hot seat tonight. stay with you? we're going with me, won't you? we're going to talking this to be talking about this government postponing government idea of postponing income you're over 50 income tax. if you're over 50 and going the workplace and going back to the workplace is a good idea. we're also

is not a good idea. we're also going to be talking about the potential row between scottish and in england over gender reassignment and spiking legislation and the government didn't go for it. why i'll see you in just a moment. good evening. alex deakin and evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office. turning out there at turning very windy out there at the moment. every blustery on friday as well, but the winds will steadily ease and many will steadily ease and for many it a bit of a drier day it will be a bit of a drier day tomorrow. still tonight, though, we've low pressure nearby we've got low pressure nearby and of really and the ice of us really squeezing together. turn squeezing together. it's turn very of course, very windy now, of course, northern ireland, that one could cause disruption, possibly northern ireland, that one could cibili disruption, possibly northern ireland, that one could cibil of disruption, possibly northern ireland, that one could cibil of damageuption, possibly northern ireland, that one could cibil of damage andyn, possibly northern ireland, that one could cibil of damage and certainlyly a bit of damage and certainly some issues with the ferry crossings and public crossings and other public transport could be affected, too . the strong winds then transfer over the irish sea into north wales and parts of northern england. so again, a very blustery night here with showers coming in for most areas too, but much of the east and south will dry and that strong wind will be dry and that strong wind will be dry and that strong wind will temperatures falling will be dry and that strong wind willfar. temperatures falling will be dry and that strong wind willfar. we emperatures falling will be dry and that strong wind willfar. we start ratures falling will be dry and that strong wind willfar. we start tomorrow.ling will be dry and that strong wind willfar. we start tomorrow atg too far. we start tomorrow at four or five celsius. it'll still feel cold. and that wind tomorrow morning, plenty of

showers ireland. showers for northern ireland. swales north west and swales north west england and northern scotland , but much of northern scotland, but much of eastern england and much of the south will have a dry day. and even the showers in the southwest tend to fade in southwest should tend to fade in most becoming the most places, becoming dry by the afternoon. some showers afternoon. but some showers still into south—west still feeding into south—west scotland. some sunny spells and the winds will ease through the day. but that wind will make it feel quite chilly with temperatures 7 to 10 celsius, more rain come in during more rain to come in during friday evening. initially spreading into wales and northern ireland. but another massive rain then comes swamping in go through the early in as we go through the early hours, bringing soggy start to hours, bringing a soggy start to saturday for the vast majority, maybe drier in northern maybe a bit drier in northern scots . the hitting the scots. the rain hitting the colder across scotland saw colder air across scotland saw some snow on mountains some snow on the mountains should start ease from should start to ease from northern ireland on saturday morning and then the rain tending to pull away from most places afternoon. places by saturday afternoon. so it turn a bit drier, but it will turn a bit drier, but it's staying blustery and there will be more showers to come. double digits across the south for but actually it'll for a time, but actually it'll probably that probably turn colder as that rain pulls away because that

rain pulls away because that rain has some mild air and rain has got some mild air and mixed it. and as that mixed in with it. and as that pulls look at map pulls away, look at the map turning blue. it is going to get colder through the weekend and into with the return into next week with the return of frost and ice .

hello barry. good evening to you. welcome to thursday's edition of the mark steyn show. with me bev turner. i send all my best wishes to mark. i'm keeping your seat warm. we hope you'll be back soon. now we've got a stellar line—up of stories this evening. a guest for you tonight. want to miss tonight. you don't want to miss it rumours emerge, suggesting it as rumours emerge, suggesting that senior members the royal that senior members of the royal family sceptical