hello barry. good evening to you. welcome to thursday's edition of the mark steyn show. with me bev turner. i send all my best wishes to mark. i'm keeping your seat warm. we hope you'll be back soon. now we've got a stellar line—up of stories this evening. a guest for you tonight. want to miss tonight. you don't want to miss it rumours emerge, suggesting it as rumours emerge, suggesting that senior members the royal that senior members of the royal family sceptical about the family are sceptical about the prince attendance at prince of works attendance at the coronation . we'll be the king's coronation. we'll be asking dr. david starkey if prince harry has become what he claims to hate a tabloid journalist . and in a desperate journalist. and in a desperate bid to get the middle ages back

to work, the government are considering plans to scrap income tax for the over fifties. is this what britain needs? it's certainly an inch twisting proposal. have we become an economically inactive nation ? economically inactive nation? money expert helen dewani is here to give her take on this later. and could we be heading towards a face off at the supreme court between the scottish and uk governments? well, the policy exchange well, the new policy exchange report has just made the legal case the uk government to case for the uk government to pursue action over the pursue legal action over the controversial agenda recognition bill. we're getting to that with a former member of the scottish parliament. plus the government have been courting controversy after tracking on anti after back tracking on anti spiking legislation that's putting something in somebody's dnnk putting something in somebody's drink without them knowing about it. that the it. they've claimed that the crime is covered by other laws, but law enforcement themselves said would help to tackle the said it would help to tackle the under problem. former under policed problem. former chief at the met chief superintend at the met police sadhu is here in the police pam sadhu is here in the studio this evening and later in the you'll get the chance the show you'll get the chance to the turner . they didn't to test the turner. they didn't warn about that so don't warn me about that bit. so don't forget send in your views to

forget to send in your views to gb i'm scared . gb views gbnews.uk. i'm scared. that's all coming up. but first, the headlines with polly meryl hurst . beth thank you and good hurst. beth thank you and good evening to you. well, on his first visit to scotland as prime minister, rishi sunak is holding talks with the first minister, nicholas sturgeon the two leaders expected to touch on a range of issues, including the nhs and the cost of living crisis . he's nhs and the cost of living crisis. he's also seeking to discuss ms. sturgeon's push for scottish enterprise . attendance scottish enterprise. attendance failed due to make a joint announcement on their plans for government funding tomorrow . let government funding tomorrow. let me bring you some breaking news that we've just received in the last few minutes. over 70,000 and staff . at 150 universities and staff. at 150 universities across the uk will strike for 18 days from between february and march in disputes over pay conditions and pensions. that's the announcement from the university and college union. more detail on that as we get

it. now a special counsel will investigate president joe biden's handling of classified documents. the move comes after revelations about documents in at least two locations. the files include us intelligence memos from his home in delaware and a washington office during his time as vice president under barack obama . here, travel barack obama. here, travel disruption continues for passenger hours in and around london today with strikes on the newly opened elizabeth line. members from the transport salaried staffs association and their sister union prospect have walked off the job over pay and pensions . two unions rejected pensions. two unions rejected a 4.4% increase this year. transport for london has warned of short notice , cancellations of short notice, cancellations and changes to the schedule. well, the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says the government needs to up its negotiating skills . i don't want negotiating skills. i don't want to see this industrial action . i to see this industrial action. i want to lead a government that resolves these issues. on the

last labour government you didn't have a national strike for nurses. you had fair pay for nurses. and we think that you should be in the room negotiating, sorting out these problems . negotiating, sorting out these problems. the singer lee negotiating, sorting out these problems . the singer lee ryan, problems. the singer lee ryan, has been found guilty of racially aggravated assault. the incident happened on a british airways flight last july. ealing magistrates court in west london heard the former member of the band blew . also asked a female band blew. also asked a female flight attendant to kiss him. the former pop star has apologised for his behaviour. more women will be able to get checked for breast cancer after the government announce d £10 the government announced £10 million in funding towards nhs screening units. the initiative will make screening more access able for thousands of women with 29 new units being set up . the 29 new units being set up. the investment will also see upgrades to ultrasound and x—ray units to better detect cancer using new and improved software. those are the latest news stories. you are up to date on tv, online on dab radio with gb

news. let's get back to beverley turner . turner. good evening. is bev turner here sitting in for mark steyn tonight? thank you for joining me now. i don't about you, but i feel that i know more about harry windsor at the end of this week than i do about my own children. and frankly, rather a lot of things i wouldn't ever want to know my own want to know about my own children. actually hard to children. it's actually hard to believe californie believe that the californie catered, babbling, catered, psycho babbling, navel gazing was once a bloke tough enough to fly bloomin helicopters around the desert, shooting his big rockets off shooting his big boy rockets off at baddies hiding in the bushes. if the if only he'd remained the rebellious prince that we loved with a twinkle in his eye and a penchant for older women in pub car parks. now know. stop car parks. as we now know. stop giggling david starkey. today for the first time, both the king and their spouses were ousted about for the first time

since the book's release, smiling, nicely, waving politely , and probably muttering under their about cementing their breath about cementing the coronation list . it's not coronation guest list. it's not into breach on horseback for into the breach on horseback for this, harry. it's into the media circuit because that's it, isn't it ? harry has become that which it? harry has become that which he purported for so long to have hated and mock reeking scribbler with one eye and a punchy pull, quotes leaving behind a majestic institution and a life of stoic commitment to service and duty. the future in front of him is one of shallow likes, clicks , one of shallow likes, clicks, publishing deals, views and engagement with fans alongside his lived experience. considering that he's frothing with hatred for journalists and given his mother's death, that is at least understandable . he's is at least understandable. he's done journalism. no end to favours this week with the amount of content that he's generated . he is the editor's generated. he is the editor's gift that keeps on giving. we here at gb towers thought there was something tragic, something

classically prophetic , even classically prophetic, even about this paradoxical turn of events. did harry's story have the dignity and weight of sophocles , two brothers fighting sophocles, two brothers fighting over the throne of thebes? perhaps octavius divorce from nero, a quote sprung to mind you have become the very thing you sort of destroy. what was that ? sort of destroy. what was that? shakespeare, eliot ? no. a light shakespeare, eliot? no. a light bulb moment . shakespeare, eliot? no. a light bulb moment. obi—wan kenobi. of a king. skywalker. darth vader . a king. skywalker. darth vader. all that fixation on pent up maternal energy, turning him into one of the villains that he swore he'd always fight against. and now it's reported that when it comes to the coronation, harry and meghan will be nephi . harry and meghan will be nephi. not flippin invited . the risk not flippin invited. the risk just isn't worth it for the firm. he's too good at the job of being a journalist with an eye for a good story. in fact, he's probably become the best paid journalist of all time . paid journalist of all time. parallels, of course, are drawn with edward the eighth to last lovesick puppy to turn his back on the monarchy who had to watch

the late queen's big day on the telly in paris with his american actress missus. now will be actress missus. now it will be the same for harry, except he'll most likely be in la with meghan and his echo chamber acolytes , and his echo chamber acolytes, telling him that none of this is his fault and perpetuating the victim mindset, which his fault and perpetuating the victim mindset , which nobody victim mindset, which nobody seems to shake him out seems willing to shake him out of . but then seems willing to shake him out of. but then monetising his trauma is proving very profitable . as my next guest has profitable. as my next guest has said , harry could learn a thing said, harry could learn a thing or two from those taking part in the invictus games. his which he established brilliantly , established brilliantly, although one might reasonably ask if he's now turned them into potential terrorist targets with his taliban kill count boasts those veterans haven't embraced victim status despite suffering life changing injuries in the line of duty and never hoping to earn a fraction of what the duke has been bringing in recently. they refuse to be branded perma victims and often inspiration for the rest of us whenever we suffer loss and setbacks in our lives. harry's message, on the other hand, is that when bad

things happen, it is always someone else's fault. his inability to look in the mirror of his own fairy tale and take responsibility for his actions is surely his fatal flaw. well who better to sit harry straight and give us some insight into the rebellious prince of what it means for us in this country than the legendary historian mr. david starkey. dr. if we're being formal, otherwise known as otherwise known as david. okay, david. well, when you were on my show, you're dr. mark steyn . you show, you're dr. mark steyn. you just you just it just stuck to me. now, have you on my show somewhere right, little pet? thanks, pet . thank you, doctor, thanks, pet. thank you, doctor, for sitting there and listening to banging what have you to me. banging on what have you made it this week as we made of it all this week as we come the end of the come towards the end of the week, learnt so much about week, we've learnt so much about him, wanted to him, things we never wanted to know. true. you were know. that's true. you were saying a journalist. saying he was a journalist. i think i've got a new name for him. go on. deep throat. he's become. you might have to clarify that. well it's a famous person who leaked and he has

become. this is not journalism. he is the insider who betrays once again. he's become the mirror image, the block to the white of is late grandmother, the queen with her permanent silence , the occasional silence, the occasional meaningful word junior. how nice it is that the scots haven't gonein it is that the scots haven't gone in dependence. the little southern lea. now you have a person stream of not very reliable inside a gossip. yeah so what will they. we saw them today, david. we. we saw the royals out and about today. as i say, they're all waving nicely and probably muttering under their breath. well, they've made a decision already about what happens the coronation. do happens at the coronation. do you terms of their you think, in terms of their that? i think that i think the king will torn . the king is king will be torn. the king is torn . he claims still, after torn. he claims still, after all, harry has his child . harry all, harry has his child. harry was once a lovable boy . yeah, he was once a lovable boy. yeah, he tried desperately hard and under terrible circumstances to be a

good father. we know about the emotional constipation , but then emotional constipation, but then look at how he was greeted when he hadn't seen his mother for six months. in effect , every six months. in effect, every handshake. but what? the king will be torn with is the desperate wish that he should be there , that the person who there, that the person who remember is the second adult in line to the throne. okay, through the three children ahead of him . but he should have been of him. but he should have been there as one of king's two proud, strapping young sons who would help their father toward this enormous task ahead of him, instead , they can't trust him. instead, they can't trust him. this is the most terrible thing that he's done. you haven't mentioned this. it is the betrayal or the constant betrayal or the constant betrayal of trust and confidence that constitution is built on nothing. but trust isn't it? the whole the whole way in which you can manage being a family, which at the same time is an

institution, you have to have a border . there institution, you have to have a border. there has to be a boundary. otherwise you do something that the queen said she would never be. harry has become he's not become a journalist. he's become the cheapest of cheapest d—list d—list celebs. cheapest of cheapest d—list d—list celebs . the only thing d—list celebs. the only thing about the deal is celeb that matters is, you know , every matters is, you know, every single disgusting detail of the private lives he makes the kardashians look dignified . i kardashians look dignified. i mean, i never thought i would be able to utter those words, you never thought you would hear them. but he really does. it's a constant. i mean, to discuss whether or not you and your brother are circum sides publicly . this is this is in publicly. this is this is in itself muckraking. he is putting the contents not simply of his waste paper basket, but of his bathroom bin in the public eye. how you when i did the interview with nigel on this and we talked about what happens when you become a devotee. he's it's a

behaviour again of a person who's undergone a kind of religious conversion . there's religious conversion. there's even a phrase for it in the bible. it's speaking in tongues. this kind of uncontrolled flow , this kind of uncontrolled flow, but it's an uncontrolled flow that destroys him , would have he that destroys him, would have he would wished it to destroy the institution , but instead is institution, but instead is turning back on him . what about turning back on him. what about in america , david? do you think in america, david? do you think the americans. i believe that the americans. i believe that the tide is even turning over there now. they've always been very supportive of him . well, a very supportive of him. well, a group has remained , but harry group has remained, but harry corresponds to pretty much democrat versus republican. democrats in favour and here it is, remain is at least young ones loved harry and you know wicked leaders like me and probably you almost remain remaining. but now i'm believer and as i'm what am i talking about? and sorry dear me, i'm

getting this confused as harry and mother was it was it was it was remainers who loved him and leavers who hated hit the right. so in other words, it is exactly the same divide. and in america when he became kind of gospel boy , he became a front for work boy, he became a front for work . did you not say the prince of woke? yeah, at the beginning. and but even i think the woke attire of him, because, of course, the great problem is he reveals just how destructive work is . it reveals will. he's work is. it reveals will. he's seen in harry as something that's only about destroying. he's got no positive values is also , of course. but he's so also, of course. but he's so inconsistent about it. on the one hand, you're know, aligning the david also because they are for her she's and whatever this wicked racist institution this empire ought to in the film in the netflix and then when he's actually questioned about it in detail. oh no, they weren't racist at all. so it's he can't

hold steady to one single position . his religious position. his religious conversion is not yet complete . conversion is not yet complete. he's the only thing that is clear. is this a complete disintegration of a personality 7 disintegration of a personality ? so you you're used to looking backwards as a historian, but i want you to look forward now into your little crystal ball and predict what will become of historians . shouldn't do that. historians. shouldn't do that. that's the point. i that's the point at which that sort of that's the that's the point. that's it. which i will do i will do. i'm just going to put in and that's the point. that's the point at which you become a charlatan. and i, i think what you said is right. the his his destiny is to become an increasingly diminished figure increasingly diminished figure in california . this is a boy who in california. this is a boy who began at sandhurst standing up straight in uniform and looking great. he will finish up a shambolic , probably rather shambolic, probably rather druggy figure somewhere in california , possibly doing california, possibly doing tattoos, a nipple piercing i. i

i would we and we did hear a little bit about his toddler as he called it, didn't we? maybe will he, maybe that could be . will he, maybe that could be. one but then you can see happened to faces you never thought you going to have the culture but can't you think can't shoot can't you can't you see see how it could go ? yes, see see how it could go? yes, i can. i mean, i said with his mother , you know who in some in mother, you know who in some in some ways harry has become his mother. yeah he's become his mother's worst side . i say the mother's worst side. i say the peculiarity about diana who is the daughter was daughter of an earl and countess. the flower of the english shires. she behaved as though she'd been born in orange county. she was a sort of natural californian . and this natural californian. and this has been fulfilled in harry. and what i think is also interesting is the way the two boys of divided . so absolutely divided. so absolutely extraordinarily so william has become not even his father. he's

become not even his father. he's become a kind of masculine version of his grandmother , version of his grandmother, whereas harry has become the ultimate version . diana and the ultimate version. diana and the one thing he's not good at, unlike diana, he's not yet learned to pose properly for photographs. but if you imagine, i mean, maybe this is the next stage. meghan and harry in front of the taj mahal doing something memorable for the front page of the sun. well, i feel like for now we've got a little reprieve from harry ness , don't you, from harry ness, don't you, until the next book and the next series . and we don't want series. and we don't want a little touch of harry in the night. thank you so i don't know what bombshell . go to david what bombshell. go to david starkey. thank you so much for joining me . right. coming up, joining me. right. coming up, the treasury been looking at incentivising over fifties back into the workplace by making them temporary exempt. that's right . exempt from paying income right. exempt from paying income tax. i'm going to be digging into that. what it might mean. what would it mean for you? with financial expert helen. plus,

remember the controversy gender recognition act that was passed in scottish parliament just a couple of weeks ago? well, government sources have said that they plan to acknowledge it's . we're going be talking it's. we're going to be talking to snp councillor austin to former snp councillor austin shendan to former snp councillor austin sheridan that public pop. sheridan about that public pop. see you in a minute.

very good evening. welcome back to mark steyn . tonight with me to mark steyn. tonight with me bev turner. i'm normally on this telly at 10:00 in the morning. i've been home, had a little nap got changed over the dress out of mark's wardrobe. i think it's quite nice. don't you? this is the people's channel. so let's channel asked you channel the people. we asked you if does go to if harry does go to the coronation , should forced coronation, should he be forced to and end a non—disclosure to sign and end a non—disclosure agreement? yes he's leaked too much private information, says one twitter users. if the

sussexes go, they have to go. also go. another one here? no, everybody should know by now to keep anything quiet that they would not wants to be repeated . would not wants to be repeated. it and stuart has said this. i would . i wouldn't let him come. would. i wouldn't let him come. the boy is prepared to cut his nose off to spite his face. he wants the fight and the argument , the story. the money goes. no where without it . and this one? where without it. and this one? another one says, put him back, puts him on the back row at the coronation . so well, none of you coronation. so well, none of you are very in support of harry. i'm like i say, i'm hope we've had enough of harry ness for a while. we do have to talk about it for a little while, but i'm not going to hold my breath now. in desperate to get in a desperate attempt to get people back to work, the tories have they are have announced that they are thinking over 50. thinking about making over 50. temporarily exempt from income tax to year if they're tax for up to a year if they're returning to the labour force now lockdowns, know now since the lockdowns, we know that people not

that many people have opted not to to work over fifties to go back to work over fifties or at point where they have a home, a pension plan which is getting closer and really haven't need to jump haven't felt the need to jump back the workforce. even back into the workforce. even with of living crisis, with a cost of living crisis, people seem reluctant. but people still seem reluctant. but is incentive is this really just an incentive scheme to get people back to work, it a way to secure work, or is it a way to secure votes which rishi desperately needs from the over 50 demographic? well here to discuss with is discuss this with me is financial expert and of the financial expert and ceo of the complaining kao helen judy . complaining kao helen judy. helen, what's the complaining? how may . well one complaining how may. well one complaining cow to another than you know, genuinely. what does it do ? it's genuinely. what does it do? it's i run a website so it provides consumer advice . so saving money consumer advice. so saving money and consumer rights for people. oh, excellent . get the redress. oh, excellent. get the redress. that's fair in. that is right. so stories. helen, i'm so glad i've met. right. what do you make of this ? to explain to us make of this? to explain to us a little bit more detail what it is that they're intending or suggest. thing might be an option. yeah, i they're suggesting it as as you say, the

over fifties returning to incentivise them they think to return to work and also they're talking about people with disabilities actually being able to keep some of their benefits or their benefits and wages if they return to work up to a year by the fifties and the disability support scheme. so what do you think of it? well, what do you think of it? well, what i'm i'm sort of thinking it from a social point of view, there could be all sorts of repercussions and resentments in the office. i think there will be be, though, know be be they'll be, though, know be arguments the and arguments between the young and the think you've got the old. i think you've got a house, i haven't. and how do house, so i haven't. and how do i get onto that ladder but then also they will be with the over fifties who've in work all fifties who've been in work all their that time and their time, all that time and say, i not getting say, well, why am i not getting any benefits? those any benefits? there are those kinds and also what kinds of issues. and also what will the administrative costs will be the administrative costs for all this? you know, if i thought that out, do you know what i do think, though, where i can this being beneficial. can see this being beneficial. and of course something that might one day benefit me, i'm a very long way from being 50.

helen this year. but one of the things that i did think it benefit would be those women of my sort of age demographic, i've got loads of mates like this who, who gave up paid work to work at home and raise the children . the children, they get children. the children, they get older, they go to university. this age and the this of a—levels age and the mums go, i quite like to go back to and that will to work and that will incentivise them because often you like competence as well at that age to go back into the workplace. from that point of view, it's got to be a good idea. well perhaps it's the other there, there other elements there, but there are of reasons why are lots and lots of reasons why people go to work. people don't go back to work. we've huge rise through we've seen a huge rise through covid of people being off with sick . and so actually that's sick. and so actually that's probably the biggest element. so it's not just about people being needing to be financial, fully incentivised. actually, people to be happy at work. we've got a huge mental health crisis in country, so perhaps some money would be better spent actually supporting people with mental health issues , getting them health issues, getting them happier and actually wanting to

go back to work . and if they're go back to work. and if they're happier at work, then everyone will be more productive. so in your mind that it's just not going be a good of going to be a good use of resources. but then also similarly, if you are going back into the workplace and you haven't for many haven't been working for many years, chances you into years, the chances of you into like figure salary job are like a six figure salary job are pretty remote . there may not be pretty remote. there may not be that many people that would even qualify because the tax threshold perhaps that you would have earn, a lot of have to earn, because a lot of people might back time, people might go back part time, maybe don't work years, maybe if you don't work years, maybe if you don't work years, maybe just is not just it's maybe it just is not just it's not stack up anyway. not going to stack up anyway. it's not going to be many people be eligible for it. no. and i think that's where some of the complications will arise, because what will you because at what point will you because at what point will you be do it for how long be allowed to do it for how long will allowed to have this will you be allowed to have this allowance have to allowance for? will you have to pay allowance for? will you have to pay back if you then only do pay it back if you then only do a year and then go off work or what about the people who do you know a really good know think that's a really good idea? to work for idea? i'm going to stop work for six and then i'll return six months and then i'll return and then i'll get that. you know, this lot there are will be ways of the system that

ways of gaming the system that they'll to at. it's they'll have to look at. it's a very good headline grabber, though, absolutely very good headline grabber, thougitalking absolutely very good headline grabber, thougitalking about.olutely very good headline grabber, thougitalking about.olland we're talking about it. and i think from from think also from a from a politics point of view, as we know, as i said there in the introduction, a lot of conservative are a conservative voters are of a more a sort of more classical vintage, shall we say, as we put it like that, the elderly population. and they will probably go a lovely thing for me and i'm going to vote for you for that reason. i don't know. i think the government are so unpopular at the moment that it might just take a little bit more than than than a scheme that seems to be thought of and written on the back of a postage stamp. yeah, i think we need to see lot more detail just being see a lot more detail just being thrown as headlines to thrown out of as headlines to see and test the water. probably as a financial expert, what are you from people maybe you hearing from people maybe that use your website? what are you at the moment in you seeing at the moment in terms people are terms of what people are struggling with what they struggling with and what they can it? the cost can do about it? it's the cost of crisis. you know, of living crisis. you know, people thinking about people aren't thinking about returning and getting returning to work and getting the benefits. people the tax benefits. it's people who and haven't got who are in work and haven't got

enough to the bills. enough money to pay the bills. they haven't got enough money to pay they haven't got enough money to pay their energy bills. seeing people had people the increase we've had today, of people today, the increase of people who being forced onto who are being forced onto payment metres then having who are being forced onto pa pay nt metres then having who are being forced onto pa pay nt metresthat then having who are being forced onto pa pay nt metresthat energy. aving to pay more for that energy. yeah it's really much about yeah so it's really much about people who are who are just struggling to survive. know, struggling to survive. you know, this, much for me to this, this is too much for me to think about but i'm already in work. i need some help. my bills that want help with that people want help with because already the because we've already got the highest in 72 years. highest tax burden in 72 years. and we've got public services striking because they are feeling underfunded whether they are underfunded or not is possibly up for debate, but they're certainly feeling that they're certainly feeling that they're not being paid enough. and so when you look at the state, when you look at the state, when you look at the state of the economy in your job and you look at what's happening now, do think is it what now, do you think is it what would be the solution? that's a big political question. i know it's mean to put that on it's a bit mean to put that on you, but what where do you think those resources, which demographic, age group? demographic, which age group? this age this is a story about age fundamentally, which age group needs help because . as you needs the help because. as you

say, are a of people say, there are a load of people who just haven't gone back to work a disincentivise work and a disincentivise particularly you particularly on the 24th. you know, think it's about know, i don't think it's about age. i really think it's about age. i really think it's about age. it's i think it's right across the board. saying across the board. i'm saying people of walks people from all sorts of walks of you know, who are of life, you know, who are struggling, we're struggling, you know, when we're seeing teachers and, seeing nurses and teachers and, firefighters using food banks, that's you know, what's that's just, you know, what's wrong country going to wrong with our country going to our country. our first world country. something's very , very wrong something's very, very wrong in all yeah and mortgages, all of that. yeah and mortgages, interest rates, people are going to be defaulting on their mortgages. significant numbers we were hearing about in the press today that going to press today that is going to start in probably the start kicking in probably the next of months. i would next couple of months. i would have absolutely. have thought. yeah, absolutely. and we're going to just see people and struggling more people more and struggling more and they're in and more, whether they're in work that's they work or not. that's where they just that help and they just need that help and they need those. and it's why we're seeing sort of people striking out because they don't know out because they just don't know where turn to get more money, where to turn to get more money, to for everything that's to pay for everything that's going yeah. okay going up in price. yeah. okay thank you for coming in. i don't think there's much meat on the bones of that stories. they're

really about not paying over really about not paying tax over 50. good . we've sorted really about not paying tax over 50. for good . we've sorted really about not paying tax over 50. for themiood . we've sorted really about not paying tax over 50. for them right we've sorted really about not paying tax over 50. for them right now.e sorted really about not paying tax over 50. for them right now. coming out for them right now. coming up, sturgeon's gender recognition bill comes under fire and a new report said the uk government's take has of course we're going to be speaking to former member of scottish austin scottish parliament, austin shendan scottish parliament, austin sheridan and then later i'm going to be also talking to a former chief superintendent parm sandhu the government sandhu on why the government have been the legislation to tackle spiking . stick around to tackle spiking. stick around to find out why c off the .

break very good evening. this is bev turner sitting in for mark steyn tonight. now the scottish agenda recognition act passed just a few weeks ago and it's certainly its critics. the bill allows for individuals as young as six to receive what's known as a gender recognition certificate , which recognition certificate, which affirms that gender identity. this may correlate, of course ,

this may correlate, of course, with that biological sex, perhaps even more controversially , those seeking controversially, those seeking the certificates will only need to live as the opposite gender for three months before legal legal recognition . what's more, legal recognition. what's more, the bill poses legal chaos. government sources have told the times that they plan to simply not record nice the acts. in other words , one side of the other words, one side of the border. your man . and on the border. your man. and on the other side of the border, you're woman. and i can't help but wonder the trans wonder what that for the trans folk might commute across folk who might commute across the border for work in england. i'm now. i'm in i'm a woman now. i'm in scotland. a man in scotland. i'm a man lost in wales. i'm a dragon. and in northern red deer. northern ireland i'm a red deer. possibly, know. we could possibly, i don't know. we could actually be on course for a clash between westminster and hollyrood supreme court hollyrood at the supreme court or a constitutional crisis. hollyrood at the supreme court orsultan| constitutional crisis. hollyrood at the supreme court orsultan sturgeon ional crisis. hollyrood at the supreme court orsultan sturgeon ior holyrood if sultan sturgeon of holyrood gets the issue of a gets her way upon the issue of a gender recognition certificate, the scottish will issue new birth certificates and crucially, the rest of the has no choice but to recognise a scottish birth certificate. so the government's plan for what's being called the legally driving

licence simply isn't going to work . this leaves the government work. this leaves the government with little choice but to invoke section 35 of the scotland act , section 35 of the scotland act, which grant which grants the power to intervene if a bill contains provisions which make modifications of the law as it appues modifications of the law as it applies to reserved matters . so applies to reserved matters. so the politics change thing . tank the politics change thing. tank i've just written a report making the legal case for the uk government to pursue this route so little bit complicated but i think very interesting . i'm think very interesting. i'm joined now by austin sheridan , joined now by austin sheridan, former snp councillor , who i former snp councillor, who i suspect will be siding with hollyrood if such a stand off came about. austin, good evening . nice to see you . didn't have . nice to see you. didn't have all written, all right. yeah, that's good. thank correct. yeah, you're correct . of course. yeah, you're correct. of course. i say it was scotland's parliament. them in the gender recognition reform and the reform to the act was passed by members of the scottish parliament from every single political partner representing

the parliament. that would be snp , conservative label and lib snp, conservative label and lib dem and green msps. i am all people from all parties backed up and that's something that was going through a parliament for six years to extensive consultation. and i know what we see as westminster again threatening scotland's democracy . and i mean that seems to be a running theme. and the westminster and some parties don't respect and bashes of the scottish people and the politicians got the right tone at one to something as well as it mocked at the welsh foreign minister has said that he would like to introduce some more legislation to what's been and preferred in scotland as well . preferred in scotland as well. but you say it's not respecting democracy in the democracy of the scottish people. do you know for a fact that the majority of the scottish people wanted this gender recognition act change? it was clear that the parliament voted it in. but but is this what the scottish people voted

for? well, every single political party, apart from the conservatives, every single party in the scottish parliament is represented before. four was a little manifesto and it was scotland elected to parties and then those parties that msps voted based on the manifesto commitment. so it's in political parties manifesto that look , parties manifesto that look, when you do something, then with that and that obviously the scottish public would expect them to pursue the policies that are in the manifesto. so yes, if it was scotland that vote for it and it has been passed in the scottish parliament with an overwhelming majority of msps as i said, and some all from all parties , even tory, rebel, msp , parties, even tory, rebel, msp, were voting in favour of the agenda recognition though. so as i say, and it seems that we always are going to do the same . so in actual fact as westminster step with the rest to do to kingdom austin i did watch the scottish parliament. i watched the debates and it got quite feisty . why are you so in

quite feisty. why are you so in favour of this change? just help us to understand because that that bit for me was slightly missing from a lot of the conversations. it was just kind of assumed , you know, this is of assumed, you know, this is just right. it's just rise. there wasn't enough. why? given a person can such a young person can make such a life decision without life changing decision without medical advice , without a risk, medical advice, without a risk, without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria , just help us dysphoria, just help us understand why you need this . understand why you need this. yeah, i mean, i believe that a big part of the debate was a lot of issues were being debated . of issues were being debated. the that was part . and i think the that was part. and i think that there was a lot of misunderstandings about what this legislation actually does . this legislation actually does. and so, for example, anyone and love the gender so choose to love the gender so choose to love at any age there is no restriction on that at all. and people can change. and the names and documents for banks and passport writing . so any change passport writing. so any change in organisation what risk. but what was done was always put to changed that the sex on the bus ticket so that was very sharp the second passes away that

means that they're not going to be mentioned or aren't optional or not. they're sort of bigger. so as a reality, i see why why we would want to oppose that. but a lot of people that were campaigning against a ball were talking about access to female spaces and saying the prayer that we're going to use. that's to make it easier. and all of those things are covered right now with the legislature and equality institutions. in ten and so we're getting built. so that's legislation doesn't change any of that . okay i mean, change any of that. okay i mean, critics have argued that it will alter who can access women only services , leave them vulnerable services, leave them vulnerable to be abused by, you know, predatory male offenders. so do you do you accept that? you don't accept that as a potential risk that's already of us right and right. no and i think the logo will be as it when it comes to same sex spaces and organisations will make those

determinations and on a case by case basis and that is the right thing to do . and one of the thing to do. and one of the things that we should recognise is one against the law and to yourself as a gender that you are not. and it would be you would be sold breaking the law after you got to try and used and gender recognition and a certificate and all doctor cross claims . these are things that claims. these are things that can have already happened to people but it's just not now that you're on the ground and for me that's legislation was that was a result of being caned and actually taken away . and a and actually taken away. and a lot of this stigma and all of the cannot you know what the court process and that the people have to go through and when they're just looking to make a simple change on the bus or to go do what do you wonder ofsted why there are so many more people now that want to change their gender than ever before ? we've got thousands of before? we've got thousands of people on the waiting list to have gender reassignment

surgery. do you have a theory as to why that is ? i don't think to why that is? i don't think there's any more people today than what there was in the past . and i believe no , be thankful . and i believe no, be thankful they have a social environment that people are able to be open and honest and who they are. and, you know , not that the and, you know, not that the exact same thing could have been said about gay people and, you know, all those more data point than they wrote in the than what they wrote in the past. always past. not really. there's always been about it gave been the same about it gave people don't 4% people trouble. i don't see 4% of the population. there's just no in a society where no made live in a society where we can be free and love life, you know, without the dignity and that we used to have in days gone by. and i think unless day we have, make sure that we don't and forward don't and that the same becky , that gay people are same becky, that gay people are facing past is because people right now and that's bay . and, right now and that's bay. and, you know demonised and it's been very unfair and compared them to tick shadows i mean that is just

not the case at all. and i think that deeply offensive . yeah, i that deeply offensive. yeah, i do i don't subscribe to that at all i try to make you know it's put some really kind of a gap between those debates. i do not presume that all trans people have got any sort of perverse intention . i think most of intention. i think most of i think the majority of trans people are very vulnerable . i people are very vulnerable. i think they've lived often quite difficult life . and i do worry . difficult life. and i do worry. i do worry, though, that as a as a pathological, psychological condition, gender dysphoria is something that needs to be medically recognised and investigated rather than ignored and therefore normalising transgender , particularly transgender, particularly surgery . and my worry is that we surgery. and my worry is that we are in an effort, as you say, to be kind to very well intentioned . we might be making mistakes here that. people might one day regret. yeah and, you know , it regret. yeah and, you know, it can just and create something .

can just and create something. and you know what i was saying about what people are concerned about what people are concerned about compared on international terrorism. just bit to terrorism. just talk a bit to general debate. and so many people have been against the legislation. said legislation. i've said some really, awful things . and really, really awful things. and in what i think i said, in terms of what i think i said, did i mean, when people are, you know, that are going to be applying you know, for applying for, you know, for some, if that's the option that you choose to go down. mean , you choose to go down. i mean, as process and i'm in as a long process and i'm in that process, people do. and, you know , you have counselling you know, you have counselling and things like that as well, you know, and also to make sure and you know that the process that we're going to do understand and you know , the understand and you know, the seriousness of these things . so seriousness of these things. so again , will go back to again, will go back to understand you said as a valid point , that's not something that point, that's not something that would be governed by the legislation, not as some that's a process. it's already and operation it takes it takes far too long actually and you know for people to be seen and or any checks and that's something i

would recognise it is something that we need to improve upon . that we need to improve upon. but young rape, people have to be properly supported up. so what we're doing and all the disagreement on, okay . all disagreement on, okay. all right, you, austin. austin right, thank you, austin. austin sheridan, the thank you . coming sheridan, the thank you. coming up, despite king laws need to be harsh. so does the law currently cover this crime? the efficiently? well, here to give her say is former chief superintend of the metropolitan police thomas dave and it's nearly that time of the show when you get to ask me whatever you like. they didn't tell me about this battle trials the best i can in my version of stump the steyn they've called it test. the turner. send in your views . vaiews@gbnews.uk your views. vaiews@gbnews.uk that's all to come off the break. coming up on dan wootton tonight , as break. coming up on dan wootton tonight, as prince harry's memoir gets pulled apart like that, checkers, do you consider spare a work of fiction ? john, spare a work of fiction? john, we'll get your views . if a one we'll get your views. if a one of the world's top conservative commentators, candace owens ,

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gb news. good evening. i nearly said good morning. i'm normally on a 10:00 on gb news monday to thursday, so please join me now. i am here in place of the glorious wonderful marvellous mark mark steyn in his name that he like . steyn in his name that he like. sorry, mark. if you watch it, get well, we all miss you. now yesterday, the government ruled against the legislature and to create a specific spiking offence. this is a this is a big deal offence. this is a this is a big

deal. i've gotten ages. they've committed a whole to this and then they didn't pass it. then they they didn't pass it. so inquiry launched high so the inquiry was launched high levels and needle levels of drink and needle spiking were reported across the country in 2021. the government have acknowledged that the crime is hugely underreported, but also under prosecuted. the home office state that there are several laws as can be prosecuted under for the crime. but law enforcement say that a specific law would help to effectively police spiking all signs point to the fact that the legislation may have made a difference. so the question is why has it been swept under the carpet and branded as unnecessary by the government? well, joining me now is former chief superintendent for the police at palm sandu. good evening . good to see you . now evening. good to see you. now tell us more about about this legislation and what might it have done for women and men around the country ? well, around the country? well, looking through the actual report and the recommendation and the reason for the itself, the inquiry was set up to find

out if it would increase reporting . this would be better reporting. this would be better data available . and also, the data available. and also, the third thing was to send a clear message to perpetrators. now all of those three things can be done with existing legislation. there are already laws that say, you shouldn't go around injecting people with drinks, with drugs or putting things into their drinks. because we all know it's illegal. we all know that you shouldn't do that. you don't need an additional law to tell you that that's wrong. and the actual of the new legislation have been those three things to make sure that people is wrong. you don't need to have a new law do that. my is that if they had gone down that route of having a new law and it would have taken it would have obstructed people , there would obstructed people, there would be more writing, there would it would have taken years of consultation . right. the law consultation. right. the law people know it's wrong and police and staff need to

actually act on what's there. but they need every to actually enforce the law . so they need enforce the law. so they need those rapid testing kits. they need the medical examinations and they need the cctv because the inquiry also makes recommendations about better searching of people going into clubs better cctv and better searching of people going into safety of the people who are attending venues . so that when attending venues. so that when a person goes a door or security person goes a door or security person and says, i think , i've person and says, i think, i've been spiked or my friend has been spiked or my friend has been spiked, that given the treatment that they need, not just kicked out and assume that they are drunk that had one too many and that's what that's one of the recommendations that's been made by this report. that's very interesting and i think it is really important. as i say, i've teenage girls growing i've got teenage girls growing up. teenage son. i up. i've got a teenage son. i really think really do think this is important. so would important. so what would somebody be charged with , if somebody be charged with, if they this , if they think they

they do this, if they think they do this crime , what would they do this crime, what would they currently be? be guilty of or found guilty of possibly ? they found guilty of possibly? they can get sent away for ten years. and there's one particular law which is offences against the person which is administered version of a noxious , noxious version of a noxious, noxious substance . and that could be substance. and that could be either to cause injury or to with malicious intent . there's with malicious intent. there's also offences under the sexual act. this is done with the intent of sexually abusing that person. so there is legislation now which could result in a person to prison for ten years. but one of the points i wanted to make was that we already have legislate against rape and we all know what rape is. but the charge right is of just under 6% and the conviction rate is just over 1.3. so got clear legislation about that kind of crime and by having that clear legislation , it doesn't mean we legislation, it doesn't mean we prove convictions . right? so we prove convictions. right? so we have more people sent to prison . this is about teaching people,

making sure that they know that they will go to prison making sure that cctv evidence is available and making sure that the medical is covered. and when i read through the recommendations on report itself right across the country, if somebody comes to notice in an evening, somebody goes to club or a pub and they are spiked . or a pub and they are spiked. it's not even clear where they go to get the blood tests or the urine tests. yeah. some for sending them to ireland. other forces are doing themselves. there are some ambulance services that are doing this rapid drug testing , but there's rapid drug testing, but there's no clear guidance right across the country to say let's clubs that evidence that we can then use that to prosecute these things awful people. but that's not happening so we're failing on that side too. how are we ever going to get a prosecution? okay. okay. pub sun. thank so much for joining okay. okay. pub sun. thank so much forjoining us. and we just much for joining us. and we just got to talk . our teenagers, got to talk. our teenagers, haven't we? make sure they are careful. and dan wootton is here. dan are you there? bev

turner. i am i? am let me give you a hug. yeah you are working hard as usual. then ends of the day. i was watching you at 10 am, which feels like forever a.m, which feels like forever ago now you may back what you were saying at the top of the show about prince harry was absolute lutely. fascinating, because it's been something been thinking for the past week. he criticises folk like me so much and he's become a tabloid journalist himself. but anyway, i'm very excited that we have candace owens on the show tonight. you are not going to want to miss what she has to say about harry and meghan. i'm raising and i will be right round that to give you massive new year's case in just a minute. download don't go anywhere. watching anywhere. thank you for watching me. i will be back on tv news monday morning at 10 am. dan will be up next after the weather . have will be up next after the weather. have a good weekend . weather. have a good weekend. good evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather

update from the met office. turning very windy out there at the moment to be blustery on friday as well. but the winds will steadily and for many it will steadily and for many it will a bit of a drier day will be a bit of a drier day tomorrow. still tonight, though, we've got low pressure nearby in theice we've got low pressure nearby in the ice really squeezing the ice of us really squeezing together. turning very together. it's turning very windy northern windy now across northern ireland. cause windy now across northern irelan disruption cause windy now across northern irelan disruption and cause windy now across northern irelan disruption and possibly a some disruption and possibly a bit of damage and certainly some issues for the ferry crossings and other public could be affected too. the strong winds then transfer over the irish sea into north wales and parts of northern england. so again, a very blast , northern england. so again, a very blast, very night here with showers coming in for most areas too , but much of the east and too, but much of the east and south will be dry and that strong wind will stop. temperatures falling far. we temperatures falling too far. we start for five celsius. start tomorrow for five celsius. it'll feel cold. that wind it'll still feel cold. that wind tomorrow morning, plenty of showers ireland showers for northern ireland swales northwest england and northern but much of northern scotland but much of eastern england and much of the south will a dry day and even the showers in the south should tend to fade. in fact, places becoming dry by afternoon , becoming dry by the afternoon, but some showers still feeding

into west scotland. some into south west scotland. some sunny spells . and the winds will sunny spells. and the winds will ease through day. but that ease through the day. but that will quite chilly will make it feel quite chilly with temperatures 7 to 10 celsius, more rain to come in dunng celsius, more rain to come in during evening. initially during friday evening. initially spreading into wales and northern ireland's but another northern ireland's. but another mass rain then comes swamping mass of rain then comes swamping in as we through early hours, in as we go through early hours, bringing soggy start of bringing a soggy start of saturday for the vast majority , saturday for the vast majority, maybe bit drier in northern maybe a bit drier in northern scotland . the rain the scotland. the rain hitting the colder air across scotland saw some mountains some snow on the mountains should start to ease from northern ireland on saturday morning and then the rain tending pull away most tending to pull away from most places by saturday afternoon. so it turn a bit drier, but it will turn a bit drier, but it's staying and there it's staying blustery and there will showers to come. will be more showers to come. double digits across the south for time, but actually it'll for a time, but actually it'll turn that rain pulls turn colder as that rain pulls away because that rain has got some mild air mixed in with some mild air and mixed in with it. as that pulls away, look it. and as that pulls away, look at map turning blue. it is going to get colder through the weekend next week with weekend and into next week with the of and ice .

no spin, no bias , no censorship. no spin, no bias, no censorship. i'm dan wilson. tonight with london's fabled mayor, sadiq khan , set to launch a deranged khan, set to launch a deranged campaign to reverse brexit. tonight it's clear the fight is still on. stop the ramona establishment betray in the will of the british people. i sound the alarm in a special digest next. today, my superstar pound away in tonight's i'm joined by matt le tissier sean bailey and amy nicole. also coming up as the explosive fallout from prince harry's fantasy fuelled spare rages on one of the world's most controversial social conservative commentators, candice owens unleashes on the sussex . it safe unleashes on the sussex. it safe to say she's never held back before . he's basically saying, before. he's basically saying, i am allowed to be an awful human being. i am allowed to sell my nieces, my nephews , my brother, nieces, my nephews, my brother,

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