hello there at 6:00 on michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got you talking now net zero or the uk with pioneering at the front of it some would say and rightly so. but if you have got a gas boiler you might be in a little spot bother because what's spot of bother because what's going be banned? apparently going to be banned? apparently in decade if the in the next decade if the government has its way, you will, for is this kind will, for that is this kind of what you up for? do you what you signed up for? do you sit there and think about global warming and think, yeah, banning my way or my boiler is the way forward or is it going a little bit too is it all going a little bit too far and we all know the state of

the nhs now. that way it's the nhs by now. that way it's a mess. pretty every single mess. pretty much every single part at the moment. part of it at the moment. unfortunately us all. but unfortunately for us all. but ambulances, we know that many services are striking . but services that are striking. but i had a paramedic today refer to it as a 24 hour everything . it as a 24 hour everything. bhng it as a 24 hour everything. bring something balance . and it bring something balance. and it made me think, do you think we are abusing the nhs ? we misusing are abusing the nhs? we misusing it, calling nana non for example for stupid things . and if we do for stupid things. and if we do misuse it, do you think that basically we should be fine? and a tweet caught my eye a couple of days ago from the home office. it spotted and i quote, state an albanian man working illegally on a building sites . illegally on a building sites. and it really kind of conflicted me. so it did i don't want to have a chat about it. what do you think? do you think people do cross the channel? we should be able to go to work honestly and a decent living. or do you have sympathy for that at have no sympathy for that at all? and last night, a view of mine, carol, hello. if you're watching here, know that. and watching here, we know that. and it me tracks. you

it stopped me in my tracks. you asked simple question, what is asked a simple question, what is success? and i said, oh, that's a question. like my a good question. and i like my view so i'm going to on view is so i'm going to on right. so asking you tonight right. so i'm asking you tonight what success? i want your what is success? i want your thoughts on that. but first, let's bring ourselves up to speed. tonight's latest speed. but tonight's latest headunes. speed. but tonight's latest headlines . hello there. good headlines. hello there. good evening to you. it's 6:10 this houn evening to you. it's 6:10 this hour. and i'm showing the gb newsroom manchester city footballer benjamin mendy has been found not guilty of six counts of rape and one code of sexual assault. it follows a six month long trial at chester crown court. jurors couldn't reach verdicts on one count of rape and one of attempted rape. the prosecution has sought a retrial on those counts, which has been scheduled forjune . has been scheduled for june. scotland will gain its first new green freeports in edinburgh and inverness as part of a £52 million fund to drive growth in the country. ministers say the sites, which will offer tax incentives and lower tariffs ,

incentives and lower tariffs, will create 75,000 jobs and almost will create 75,000 jobs and almos t £11 will create 75,000 jobs and almost £11 billion worth of investment. announcement follows private talks held last night between rishi sunak and scotland's first minister, nicholas sturgeon which have been described by sturgeon as constructive . the labour natur constructive. the labour natur sir keir starmer says the time for action on the northern ireland protocol is now. delivering his case speech at queen's university in belfast, sir keir promised his party will remain a good faith guarantor of the good friday agreement . he's the good friday agreement. he's urged the prime minister to recognise his past mistakes and resolve issues over the post—brexit trading arrangements . so i say to the prime minister , if there is a deal to do in coming weeks , do it. , if there is a deal to do in coming weeks , do it . whatever coming weeks, do it. whatever political cover you need , political cover you need, whatever mechanisms in westminster you require. if it delivers for our national interest and the people of northern ireland, we will

support you . the time for action support you. the time for action on the protocol is now . the on the protocol is now. the economy. unexpected lead grew by point 1% between october and november, despite the soaring cost of living. the office for national statistics recorded a slowdown in growth, though, after 8.5% increase. the previous month. it says the economy was boosted by people going to pubs and restaurants to watch the world cup . a pensioner watch the world cup. a pensioner has been jailed for life for the minimum term of 25 years, for the rape and murder of a teenagen the rape and murder of a teenager. nearly 50 years ago. in the oldest double jeopardy case in england and wales, dennis mcgrory was sentenced at huntingdon crown court for the sexual assault and murder of the 15 year old jackie montgomery in her home in north london in 1975. mcgrory who was 28 at the time, had been cleared of the murder. but a swab from jackie's body was retested. decades later, showing a dna match . a later, showing a dna match. a third man has been charged with

the murder of a 23 year old footballer in a nightclub on boxing day. west midlands police say the 18 year old regan anderson will appear at birmingham. magistrate court later. cody fisher was stabbed on the dance floor of the crane nightclub in digbeth just before midnight on only 26th of december. two men have already appeared in court charged with his murder , a 21 year old man his murder, a 21 year old man has been fined for throwing an 999 has been fined for throwing an egg towards king charles during a walkabout in luton last month. harry may admitted to throwing the egg at westminster magistrates court earlier , but magistrates court earlier, but said he didn't intend for it to hit the monarch. mr. may said he thought the visit, the king's visits to poor area was in bad visits to a poor area was in bad taste . the court heard how a 15 taste. the court heard how a 15 year old girl died as a result of a speedboat. skipper failing to pay attention during an adrenaline fuelled ride in 2020. emily lewis suffered internal injuries after being crushed against a metal buoy in southampton water. the boy was

hit at almost 37 knots by the inflatable boat. the court heard the skipper drove straight at the skipper drove straight at the boy, 14 seconds before the crash. and michael lawrence, who was in charge of the boat, denies manslaughter by gross negligence. deadly tornado outbreak across the south of the united states has led to the deaths of at least seven people. dozens of twisters have left a trail of destruction in their wake in the states of alabama and georgia, destroying homes , and georgia, destroying homes, flipping cars and uprooting trees . tens of thousands of trees. tens of thousands of people have been left without power in four states. u.s. weather services say the storms have not passed, but strong winds will persist through tomorrow . and tributes continue tomorrow. and tributes continue tomorrow. and tributes continue to be paid. to lisa marie presley, the only child of elvis presley, the only child of elvis presley who has died at the age of 54. a warning the following contains flashing images. it's understood the singer songwriter had suffered a cardiac arrest at

her home in los angeles yesterday . michael jackson's yesterday. michael jackson's sister, latoya , and the duchess sister, latoya, and the duchess of york have both paid tribute. her death comes just days after she attended the golden globe awards, where the actor austin butler took home the best actor award for his portrayal of her father . tv online award for his portrayal of her father. tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news, but now it is back to dewbs& co . it is back to dewbs& co. thanks for that. well, i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening and alongside me, i've got the political consultant, alex dean and policy researcher laurie lebo and good evening, both of you. what policies do you research? bainimarama and staff of nhs, staff of crack down on illegal migration stuff? oh, bit of a bit of work and nicely aligned .

bit of work and nicely aligned. i know what what i'm looking straight from that because that is pretty much everything we're discussing tonight is if you are the foundation of all knowledge, do you know what this means then? you are the foundation then? if you are the foundation of knowledge, listen to of all knowledge, you listen to my i a pound. my pronunciation. i get a pound. if right. harris every if i get it right. harris every day can try a phobia. if i get it right. harris every day can try a phobia . that's day can try a phobia. that's a one word parasite. every day a try. phobia. anyone to know try. a phobia. anyone to know what it means? i'm afraid . well, what it means? i'm afraid. well, i've got a very intelligent view about the way linda she's called because you almost hit the nail with linda you said with it. linda you said michelle, the word that you're saying is a fear of fridays. am i right ? you saying is a fear of fridays. am i right? you are incredibly close . it's not a generic fear close. it's not a generic fear of fridays . it's a fear of of fridays. it's a fear of friday the 13th. yes wow. have you suspicious ? suspicious? no. you suspicious? suspicious? no. no. i mean , i remember the no. i mean, i remember the suspicion. i don't mean that. i mean superstitious superstition. i mean, i used to enjoy watching. there was an umpire in the cricket. somebody will remind used to stand on remind me. they used to stand on one leg whenever the score was 13th or 60 sixes or something.

and as a kid, i and i was even as a kid, i thought it was daft. i've thought it was is daft. i've never really had suspicions. we're walking these we're not walking on these missing suspicions. it's superstitious. i've superstitious. yeah. sorry, i've planted the wrong lads. i'm not walking this is walking on the ladders. this is not superstition. it's not a superstition. it's. it's sensible. don't really sensible. but i don't really have try not to step have any. no but try not to step on the crack on the paving stones. only on the way to the studio. so you don't want foot me? oh, yes . studio. so you don't want foot me? oh, yes. i. i were looking. you know, if you break a mirror and if you accidentally pick up, you don't realise i do get a little bit panicked and i'm you know, is it the magpies when you see one i get a bit panicked. oh for joy. yeah. yeah do, i get forjoy. yeah. yeah i do, i get a little bit panicked if there's one. do actually. one. i do actually. i proactively and find that proactively try and find that little mick, but anyway, if you're to pub tonight, you're going to the pub tonight, use word. you'll very use this word. you'll some very intelligent to intelligent parry every day to try all one word. it try a phobia. all one word. it means of friday the 15th. means a fear of friday the 15th. you might be on your duvet already we out at night we aim of sun shades on frightened of sun your shades on frightened of sun your shades on frightened of day so if you are going of the day so if you are going into tell me why i'm into it to tell me why i'm fascinated little kind of fascinated by our little kind of quirks our little get

quirks and our little kinks. get in touch. give me your thoughts. gb views gbnews.uk is the email address can tweet me at address or you can tweet me at gb news. lots of you guys have been getting in touch. there you go. look i'll get you on screen. linda, just to give you your moment of glory. you were the closest answer. you were almost right tonight. so welcome to you. at this . graham. you. look at this. graham. graham says i've written to you often on the topics you raise in your programmes and you've never read one out all the time. you've been at news. michelle you've been at gb news. michelle well, graham and i'm on friday the first seem to be in a bad day today. it's your lucky day. ihave day today. it's your lucky day. i have indeed read it out. paints more net zero more like net misery. nobody's run a cost benefit analysis that if benefit analysis on this that if they they certainly wouldn't they did they certainly wouldn't admit results . i've admit the results. i've got a policy researcher that looks into things they see much into things like they see much of benefit analysis. of a cost benefit analysis. i'll ask a second. ask him in just a second. stephen says net zero is the biggest con inflicted on us. there's genuine science . there's no genuine science. basically, he's saying, alas , basically, he's saying, alas, lobby about that in a second, a decade is an impractical target

bolts if labour were in power, it would be half of that, says colin . interesting. and look, colin. interesting. and look, i do like these. i like my little comments on my view, on my outfit . i comments on my view, on my outfit. i do. i know it's a little bit un—pc because this day i hashtag me to it all. like you don't really comment on things like that data, but i do. ihave things like that data, but i do. i have a little chuckle with my view as so i do about my outfits. i've been called everything tonight from a vintage of wine, vintage vintage bottle of wine, vintage day, vintage it day, mark you vintage have it just but yeah actually there just any but yeah actually there is i'm old. no, is that hint that i'm old. no, no, no. are you sure i'm not? yeah.i no, no. are you sure i'm not? yeah. i didn't even think about that. and but my favourite one is phil. detail he goes to. is phil. the detail he goes to. you look like a pillar which is phil. the detail he goes to. yoa look like a pillar which is phil. the detail he goes to. yoa 7.5.1 like a pillar which is phil. the detail he goes to. yoa 7.5. tom a pillar which is phil. the detail he goes to. yoa 7.5. tom truck.ar which is phil. the detail he goes to. yoa 7.5. tom truck has which is phil. the detail he goes to. yoa 7.5. tom truck has crashed| is a 7.5. tom truck has crashed into it 36 miles an hour and bent out of shape a little bit. oh, okay . i do appreciate your oh, okay. i do appreciate your detail . very good. right? that's detail. very good. right? that's what we want to talk about. the thing about tonight's net zero, if you got a gas boiler at home, if you got a gas boiler at home, if you got a gas boiler at home, if you do, parent is a new report out that says that these

things might be banned within the next ten years. so from 2033, love to find a different way to heat your home. why? oh, it's all part of this whole net zero thing you research these kind of policies. laurie do you agree with this? so i go gas boiler have you my mum and dad go gas boiler. yeah because do you live with your mum and dad. no. no, they separately share the same gas and i just, i just to be clear, separate boilers as most homes in the uk do have a gas boiler. right. and one of the key parts of experience of having a gas boiler in recent months over this winter before is that it's very expensive to have on and to be heating our homes. and that's because we are dependent on the price of gas, which can be manipulated by motorists, authoritarians who decide to invade bits of europe. so by getting rid of gas boilers, we hopefully can become less dependent on those while gas price markets . less dependent on those while gas price markets. right. the problem here , so broadly setting

problem here, so broadly setting a date to get rid of them i think is a good idea. a date to get rid of them i think is a good idea . what is think is a good idea. what is like inferred in that is that the cost of doing so is going to be pushed onto us . that's where be pushed onto us. that's where i disagree potentially though, because there are some grants available or seem to be broadened out. so some of these costs could be picked up by the government. i say government, by the way, i mean all of you, law as law, all the taxpayers. where do you stand alex? well if do you stand on alex? well if you about let's take a you think about let's take a completely different topic area that government's this week that government's face this week and a and government faced with a relatively significant dissenting set of voices on social media policing volunteered quite swiftly to take a different course, would have an open mind about policy. and i think if they will do that over social media, then , given over social media, then, given the number of constituents who would rather hang on to their gas boilers, i think they'd face rather loud outcry. were this rather a loud outcry. were this policy to be adopted. so think policy to be adopted. so i think it's actually our it's quite unlikely actually our government will pursue this report's perspective. own report's perspective. my own personal entirely personal opinion is entirely a pragmatic if the harm to

pragmatic one. if the harm to society or the impact on consumers would be small on the benefit to the environment will benefit to the environment will be enormous. then, you know, nudging people to do it, asking people to pay a small amount for back plastic bags and so forth, whatever. fine here, it seems to me to society pretty me the harm to society pretty high given the speed with which you'd have to get it introduced and difference to and the difference to the environment. minuscule. environment. absolute minuscule. so on balance, i think so actually on balance, i think it's very unlikely this would happen. yeah by the way, i noted and i tried not to get too involved that and your comment about plastic bags i can't let that without a little they that go without a little they used pee the plastic used to be five pee the plastic back charge remember and now places are charging 2030. the con on that is they then say that's the bag for life right. that you could take it back. nobody ever does. but in theory you could . but i nobody ever does. but in theory you could. but i think if nobody ever does. but in theory you could . but i think if you you could. but i think if you stand your standard, carry bags because you start to take how you you so i'm just you you back you so i'm just you everyday back for everyday one then your back for life i do digress. i just life anyway i do digress. ijust think it's a little bit of a bit of off anyway, come back

of a rip off anyway, come back to this whole net zero thing. this report was commissioned by liz truss, i it was. and liz truss, i think it was. and chris the mp, is the chris skidmore, the mp, is the person did and i found person that did it and i found was writing telegraph and was writing in the telegraph and the headline of his piece was we're in an we are now in a net zero race to stands still is not an option and he goes on about 42 months may have passed since we've signed net zero into law which basically means there's only 324 months until we agree the net zero target to 2050. and when i was reading some of his piece that he was writing , i piece that he was writing, i found quite peculiar . and he found it quite peculiar. and he was saying about where in this race and we've got to , you know, race and we've got to, you know, we can't stand still. we've got to lead, we've got to pioneer. but then i was thinking, hang on, happened the on, what happened at the conferences? example, conferences? cop26, for example, that we were the president country of they were supposed to these countries at cop 26 were supposed to have gone off and i'll quote directly revisit and strengthen some of their emissions, their plans, etc. only 24 of the 193 countries

involved did. so when we talk about coal, only 40 countries agree to phase out their coal. the countries that use most of the coal, india and china and all the rest of it, they didn't even sign up today. so why are we in this country having to do stuff like get rid of our boilers, change our cars, do all this stuff when the biggest emitters, they don't really seem that bothered , ignore emissions that bothered, ignore emissions for a second. just think of the economic opportunities from some of these technologies, right? so there have been phases in human history where a new type of energy generation emerges and the people on the forefront of that when big we were on the forefront of it in this country, it's all about money. it's not about the climate. it's about money. it's about both. and in this case, so the race of not actually a policy. chris skidmore more for this. i'm not ready is telegraph article right but the element of talking about a race here for me. yeah it's partly about the climate crisis it's partly about though the

economic opportunity. so the countries, the crack up, the ability for the majority of the people in their population is through support to not have to rely on crazy gas prices to heat their homes are going to do very well. the countries that managed to nail certain types of cheaper energy which will be cheaper for businesses. so there'll be more competitive in the global economy . these are the countries economy. these are the countries they're to wind big in they're going to wind big in this energy revolution. this next energy revolution. coal this next energy revolution. coal, oil , previously this next energy revolution. coal, oil, previously gas, this next energy revolution. coal, oil , previously gas, the coal, oil, previously gas, the countries that have created the greatest prosperity for their citizens are the ones who've managed to harness those energy revolutions. we are in the process of one at the moment and we need to be at the forefront in that race for our prosperity. you make that case quite attractively, i think, but i won't ignore emissions, the won't ignore emissions, and the reason ignore emissions reason i won't ignore emissions is right. britain is that michel is right. britain has than our peers in has done more than our peers in western democracies to reduce our emissions, and india and china others have china and many others have blithely polluting china and many others have blithelend polluting china and many others have blithelend indeedolluting china and many others have blithelend indeed some1g china and many others have blithelend indeed some of the wildly. and indeed some of the nafions wildly. and indeed some of the

nations most loudly nations which speak most loudly about cast criticism about this and cast criticism on others germans, because others like the germans, because they've a round of they've been through a round of closing nuclear after closing off nuclear after the fukushima disaster, which you got in germany got a lot of tsunami in germany right i've been back to strip right. i've been back to strip mining coal. there is some mining coal. so there is some rank hypocrisy on these things of been maybe guilty of which we've been maybe guilty of which we've been maybe guilty of things of many other things in the world stage. britain not world stage. britain is not guilty of. have let up guilty of. we have let this up for time. we've reduced our for some time. we've reduced our emissions. to told, emissions. and now to be told, and admire chris and i like and admire chris skidmore se , but to be told skidmore per se, but to be told that we've got to strip out gas boilers within years when boilers within ten years when the that is not small the impact of that is not small and entire rests on and your entire case rests on the that we will the notion that we will definitely cheaper energy, definitely have cheaper energy, which is by no means guaranteed . i we've got to try . so i think we've got to try and keep options open here. and keep all options open here. yes, i want more yes, of course. i want more solar power and solar and more wind power and more power, but i'd be more tidal power, but i'd be very loathed. are you very loathed. do you are you just that? no, it is just saying that? no, it is long. as long as it's not as long. as long as it's not as long as not paying over the odds for and the economics on for it. and the economics on those better, those things have got better, right. we should be right. i think we should be pressing the and see pressing all the buttons and see what up, including, by what lights up, including, by the which is got the way, nuclear, which is got to be underpinning a lot of

environmentally friendly renewable but renewable energy supply. but solar house, i don't renewable energy supply. but sbecause house, i don't renewable energy supply. but sbecause i house, i don't renewable energy supply. but sbecause i don't house, i don't renewable energy supply. but sbecause i don't thinke, i don't renewable energy supply. but s because i don't think we don't renewable energy supply. but s because i don't think we need i because i don't think we need to here shirts about this and to be here shirts about this and i we need to in the i don't think we need to in the same way i think making people strip out their boilers would be hell it and turn hell shirts about it and turn people environment people off the environment to have your house. have solar panels on your house. no.and have solar panels on your house. no. and i'm going to tell you why. because can't afford why. because i can't afford it. i help. right? i want to do i need help. right? i want to do it. i wanted it partly because over the course this winter, i've struggled with the i've really struggled with the pay i've really struggled with the pay bills because so pay my bills because it's so expensive, reliant expensive, because i'm reliant on fuel prices. on crazy fossil fuel prices. i need help from the government to shunt other people's shunt me and other people's lives on a path of lives on a better path of prosperity. time prosperity. there was a time right where can all afford right where we can all afford gas boilers at the very beginning of that new revolution of had those of how we had those technologies. know, i i'm technologies. you know, i i'm a my grandfather didn't have a gas boiler when she was growing up as she was as a farmhand when she was younger. we have have younger. like, we have to have that of shunting the that process of shunting the country that new of country onto that new path of potential prosperity. it potential prosperity. and it will yield dividends. there's a flipside to that, right? because your point is that if people are assisted to move down that environmental path, then they

will be more like in will in energy be more like in environmental energy or environmental energy or environmental friendly energy policy. we're more likely to take it up. i would say that gas is bridging technology, right? is a bridging technology, right? i the future i would say that if the future you as you point to, is right andifs you as you point to, is right and it's going to be largely renewable, then plainly renewable, then it's plainly better environment better for the environment that we than we use coal we use more gas than we use coal . so you're going to have . so if you're going to have that bridging technology to me and you want energy security, which the point which is the other point that you arguing about, we you were arguing about, we should in this should be fracking in this country we should be country and we should be ensuring we use the ensuring that we use the resources this resources we have in this country. and will be far country. and people will be far more to accept that if more likely to accept that if we're about it and we're flexible about it and allow the fracking allow those around the fracking and around development and around the development to benefit it's benefit economic, it's only it's only fair if you think people should from having solar should benefit from having solar panels on their house and get paid why shouldn't the paid for it. why shouldn't the people for having people be paid for having a fracking near them? fracking facility near to them? what think is that? well, what do you think is that? well, i, i honest, i agree with i, i to be honest, i agree with some of the support fracking . some of the support fracking. no. because of the reasons no. be because of the reasons that the initial people who tried to frack in this country have given they said that is not

possible. original people possible. the original people who cuadrilla said who put set up cuadrilla said it's possible because of a it's not possible because of a range reasons. one the range of reasons. one the geology uk is not utah or geology of the uk is not utah or the other of the us where the other bits of the us where they've been able to do effectively to politically . it effectively to politically. it clearly got huge opposition clearly has got huge opposition . how are we going to persuade a single different vote and they don't want to. the second one, a circular one on your first one, the technologies improved, just like your for the like your case for the environment that support. let environment that we support. let me third then me give him a third one, then the gas markets are not just domestic and the uk is not the size of us when you if size of the us how? when you if even if and i do dispute what you say about technology, but let's say you're right, even if you managed to pull a lot of this this fracked gas out of the uk, it will then go to on a gas market that spans across a continent and it won't be enough to drag that entire continents worth of prices down. why you why are you worried about a continent when you began rightly by talking about our need for national energy? so because the gas which i accept, we should

use our own gas, but the but the gas price is set at that international price . if we international price. if we nationalise the uk energy industry and we therefore we were able to have a just national gas price. yeah sure. and that's just the favour of national rising gas supply in this country . national rising gas supply in this country. think that's going to happen and that's why i'm not. would you be in favour of irrespective of you think it will would be will work, would you be in favour of happening? why if favour of it happening? why if i expensive it be very difficult from the power dynamics but the idea that we'd more control idea that we'd have more control over and over our energy industry and therefore able to make these therefore be able to make these decisions is an decisions more flexibly is an attractive all of attractive prospect. all of these necessary going to happen, but this point. if we but this is the point. if we managed to get gas out of the ground, which again, i dispute our ability that in the first place and i recommend place and i would recommend looking at some of the looking at what some of the founders quadrillions said founders of quadrillions said about the possibilities here. it's ditched and so it's why they ditched it. and so other technologies, the other technologies, it's the price set domestically. price is not set domestically. so it's pretty international factors , including the war in factors, including the war in ukraine. you've returned, i think, to what i think is one of your your weaker points, because

i took you down i admit, i took you down that path when talking about path when we talking about national sovereignty. and national energy sovereignty. and i started talking i that's why you started talking about but about nationalisation. but recent in this recent developments in this country don't have country showed you don't have to nationalise a nationalise something to agree a set what government set price for what government will pay for it for some time. that's what we did with the nuclear providers. to nuclear providers. and i fail to see why can't be the case for see why it can't be the case for gas. russia? you gas. but didn't russia? you know, am testing my memory, so know, i am testing my memory, so they're all right in saying i'm wrong. didn't russia during wrong. but didn't russia during his wasn't his leadership campaign, wasn't it that he it one of the things that he floated basically saying, it one of the things that he floelad basically saying, it one of the things that he floel will basically saying, it one of the things that he floel will put asically saying, it one of the things that he floel will put a.ically saying, it one of the things that he floel will put a cap.y saying, it one of the things that he floel will put a cap on aying, it one of the things that he floel will put a cap on when no, i will put a cap on when i go out to the global markets, negotiate whether it was energy, what it was like, was gas. what it was like, it was gas. i will agree. i'll try and negotiate almost like a cartel type cap . there's not cartel type cap. there's not a cartel if the government does it. it was it was he was trying to get some consensus. so there's a strong chance i'll be making it open. i've dreamt about rishi talking gas prices, but talking about gas prices, but i'm saying something i'm sure he was saying something about but where everyone i'm sure he was saying something ab0|that but where everyone i'm sure he was saying something ab0|that dream,where everyone i'm sure he was saying something ab0|that dream, i've'e everyone i'm sure he was saying something ab0|that dream, i've gotferyone i'm sure he was saying something ab0|that dream, i've got to (one i'm sure he was saying something ab0|that dream, i've got to get�* has that dream, i've got to get out bit more. so you out a little bit more. so you know, the price of gas has been immensely expen , massive. and

immensely expen, massive. and you you know the argument here about the price of gas was actually coming down. now what that price is not being passed on consumer. on to the consumer. yeah. because of the contracts because of the way the contracts were being. yeah, exactly. because they're going up and down, down, and down. down, up and down, up and down. you've to have kind of you've got to have some kind of certainty the future. certainty into the future. and that prices are set that means prices are set in advance now. yeah but that always makes me laugh because the that down, the minute that they come down, this futures argument this whole futures argument comes just comes out. obviously you just use but then minute use it then, but then the minute it up, seem to very it goes up, we seem to very late. yeah, very rapidly get that price increment, but we just have the same just don't seem to have the same rapid increase when it comes to the so that that's not the data so that well that's not true because increase in true because the increase in gas, prices of gas has been gas, the prices of gas has been going on for quite a long time now. that was basically the economy shut down in lockdown dunng economy shut down in lockdown during covid, right. economy shut down in lockdown during covid, right . and demand during covid, right. and demand then collapsed when demand then bounced back after lockdowns. it takes a while for supply to ramp up. so there's like a scarcity of gas, which means the price increases. then the war in ukraine happened. so it's been a long term increase in gas. i

want your thoughts on this. where are you on the net zero thing? i have to say, looking at the you can see it, i think it was yesterday in telegraph was yesterday in the telegraph there, piece. there, chris skidmore piece. there talk about there was a lot of talk about raises and that we've got to be the ones to lead. and i have to know, as said, i've already know, as i said, i've already said me just feels said to me it all just feels dnven said to me it all just feels driven by cash as opposed to the good of the climate. and if it isindeed good of the climate. and if it is indeed the good of the climate, why are more pressure? why pressure being why isn't more pressure being put likes of china put on the likes of you? china india? committed , by the india? we've committed, by the way, to net zero to 2050. some of those countries you've got 20, 70, 2060. of those countries you've got 20,70, 2060. why of those countries you've got 20, 70, 2060. why aren't squeezing those guys more if indeedit squeezing those guys more if indeed it is truly all about the good , the greater good of the good, the greater good of the climate? give me your thoughts, vaiews@gbnews.uk. is email vaiews@gbnews.uk. is my email address a quick address going to take a quick break. i come back, i'll break. when i come back, i'll have thoughts on have some of your thoughts on that but also want you that topic. but also i want you to this during the break. to ponder this during the break. do you think that if we deliberately misuse the nhs , we deliberately misuse the nhs, we shall or not get in shall be fined or not get in touch gb views that gb news don't you care? and i'll see you

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hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry right through until 7:00 with you tonight alongside me, the political consultant alex dean and the policy researcher laurie lebon. welcome back, everybody . lots of back, everybody. lots of conversation happens about gas boilers. and i must say a few of you are kind of divided in terms of , you know, should we be on of, you know, should we be on this fast track? so net zero of us is actually what about the here and now? that is what's more important for many of you. i was asking as well about do you have solar panels? do you have this? do you have that? and the question about cost and government subsidy pops lot government subsidy pops up a lot as well . ian government subsidy pops up a lot as well. ian is saying if the government goes ahead with their lunatic zero ban on gas boilers,

it wasn't mine. millions of people will be left without with homes which cannot be economically heated. but ian, i think the thought process would be you can get grants from the government. i was having a look and in some cases you get about five or six grand if you qualify . i'm sorry to interrupt, but we economically struggle to hit our homes this winter with gas boilers . when i was a young girl boilers. when i was a young girl and i don't like harking back to these days my bad. my bed used to be in a square rectangle, a window, and i used to wake up and all of the net curtains were iced. so the glass and frost on the inside of and you know how we dealt with it. didn't use we dealt with it. we didn't use i don't think we had radiators upstairs. we saw fluffy blankets. have blankets. so i used to have loads pyjamas, couple bath loads of pyjamas, couple bath salts, of fluffy blankets. salts, loads of fluffy blankets. i would just home with it. i would just go home with it. yeah, but know, yeah, yeah. but you know, i think people have done that as well winter. but we come, well this winter. but we come, well this winter. but we come, we demand better for british we get demand better for british citizens to have warmer homes, better than michelle's childhood . no, no. i but i mean, it's

been people have had a very hard winter. yeah, i know. we've gas boilers. we've got used to a very nice standard of living. i've lost count of how many people on the heating on and sit there in shorts and t shirts. sure. but be somebody , sure. but there'll be somebody, your viewers who weren't doing that struggled this that and really struggled this winter because it was expensive gas. true. well, let me gas. but it's true. well, let me know thoughts. let's talk know your thoughts. let's talk nhs, shall we? it's in a bit of a predicament at the moment. we all that, don't we? an all know that, don't we? an apparent speaking, apparent idiot was speaking, i think earlier on today, think it was earlier on today, and really summed up some of and he really summed up some of what on quite what was going on quite interesting mind. was interesting in my mind. he was saying about how people are calling ambulances. calling for ambulances. he called it essentially a 24 hour everything and anything uber lamb said on an ambulance that jubilance people are actually calling out ambulances for reasons that they perhaps shouldn't be . give an example of shouldn't be. give an example of someone had an infection in their antibiotics when working . their antibiotics when working. lots of other examples of people calling ambulances when actually they could get themselves to hospital . it got me thinking,

hospital. it got me thinking, alex, do you think it as a collective , we do have collective, we do have a responsibility to help ensure the nhs is still there , remains the nhs is still there, remains there and a lot of people i would say do misuse the nhs, they don't turn up for appointments, they do do stupid things like calling on an ambulance . there no real ambulance. if there are no real reasons call the police reasons they call the police for idiotic things , which of course idiotic things, which of course is not the but then i think is not the nhs. but then i think should you be fined? if you do those things, you go out, you get absolutely bloodied on a saturday you end up saturday night, you end up taking a&e. would taking resources in a&e. i would wait to sober up at wait for you to sober up at issue with bill. so the issue you with a bill. so the flip of the point, which flip side of the point, which your point you're making with which have a great deal of which i have a great deal of sympathy, is some people sympathy, is that some people don't use health system when don't use the health system when they should because they really should because they're overburdening they're afraid of overburdening it time. and that can it at a bad time. and that can come with really serious health consequences, including death. as anecdotally from as we've heard anecdotally from grieving who said that grieving families who said that their relatives didn't want to bother system when it was bother the system when it was going covid the going through covid with the post—covid period. so first of all, i that point that, you all, i make that point that, you know, if we talk too much about

people unnecessarily using the nhs, be potentially nhs, it will be potentially en masse. that. but masse. i'm coverage that. but the thing i would say so the second thing i would say so broadly with the thrust broadly agreeing with the thrust of premise. i would of your your premise. i would say the first thing that happened very have got more people working in the nhs now than ever had before. well than we've ever had before. well 1.3 admittedly 1.3 million people admittedly a hundred but hundred thousand vacancies, but we a larger workforce we still got a larger workforce than the nhs than we've ever had in the nhs and seems it's still not and it seems it's still not enough. it's how you deploy the workforce. and first thing workforce. and the first thing that that went so that seems to me that went so wrong negotiation. all the wrong was negotiation. all the way millennium with way back for the millennium with gp's about their after hours, service nights service by gp's and basic . almost all gp's came and basic. almost all gp's came off that service for a very small financial hit from their contracts with government which otherwise the otherwise went up. and the result if you're unwell out result was if you're unwell out of you go to the a&e and of hours you go to the a&e and that that's meant a very that has, that's meant a very significant shock to the system from which the health care system recovered . the system hasn't recovered. the second obviously, that's second thing, obviously, that's been happening of late is that people care people within the health care system itself been sick and system itself have been sick and not to go . and the not been able to go. and the third that turn to our third is that we turn to our national system into

national health system into a third of our system wrongly for some time. you take all those things end with things together, you end up with an nhs, even though an overburdened nhs, even though it's largest it's it's got the largest budget it's ever had and also, by the way, the ambulance service, if you look at sickness rates in the ambulance service, if you looiambulancelness rates in the ambulance service, if you looiambulance service,es in the ambulance service, if you looiambulance service, i; in the ambulance service, if you looiambulance service, i think the ambulance service, i think it's about 9% last count. and it's about 9% of last count. and that makes look at their that makes me look at their sickness policy. you can get about six months full pay, sick in the nhs. so i would be querying . that's what i was querying. that's what if i was in of reforming but in charge of reforming it. but i'm looking everyone . i'm not looking for everyone. where do you stand on my idea about fining, misuse, deliberate misuse? the politicians misuse? i think the politicians who underinvested in nhs who underinvested in the nhs should fined probably should be fined probably alongside the reasons that you were going to alex. the letter since the situation in nhs a key one funding as i say this is this is crucial. one funding as i say this is this is crucial . the government this is crucial. the government commissioned a report an independent report to look at the state nhs and the it was lots of reasons, some of which we just heard the number one at the top of the list was consistent underinvestment. now every country in the world has

some system right some form of health system right ? every year spending on this health systems will probably go up unless your population is declining. everyone has just suddenly got ill. everyone's getting younger. what's the matter that most countries don't have that we definitely don't have that we definitely don't have particular in a time have that particular in a time of with ageing of pandemic with an ageing population so you're population and so on. so you're spending go up. the spending will go up. the question you're question then is what you're spending much it's spending on and how much it's going per year. every country going up per year. every country in the world is spending more per in this country over per year in this country over the last 12 years, the conservatives have chosen to increase spending. i mean, we would be in way more trouble, way out if we'd not spend a increase spending at all. but they've failed to spend that on kit, on buildings and ultimately on investing in that morale, that wages and so on. and those things are not funded that. and if you then if you then admit actually they have increased the funding. so during the labour is funding. so during the labour is funding increase by an average of 3.5% per year and people will shout at my screen now what about pfi as it introduced

about pfi as it were, introduced into labour after disaster into the labour after disaster utter what is that was utter disaster? what is that was an absolutely wrong footed way to overspend on buildings, totally inefficient, disastrous . and it should never have happened.the . and it should never have happened. the tories decided to increase spending on average by 1.5% a year. if the tories had chosen to increase spending per year at the average that european nations have done it, we'd be spending. i think about £40 billion on the nhs more per yeah £40 billion on the nhs more per year. that would have, for example , filled in the now . year. that would have, for example, filled in the now . £10 example, filled in the now. £10 billion maintenance bill. basic maintenance bill that the nhs faces . if you don't look after faces. if you don't look after your house, if you don't look after your car, if you don't look after your health as time goes on, that underinvestment will get situation where will get to a situation where it's working properly. it's not working properly. that's find ourselves. that's where we find ourselves. but about how but then when you talk about how to after your your to look after your house, your car, to look after your house, your can your to look after your house, your car, your behaviour is car, whatever your behaviour is a contributing factor to a massive contributing factor to that. i talk that, that. so when i talk about that, it's your instant responses. well, all's in our well, never mind. all's in our personal let's personal responsibility. let's just government. but just blame the government. but

i'm , if you can't be i'm saying, if you can't be bothered to for a doctor's bothered to turn for a doctor's appointment i'd appointment multiple times, i'd you multiple times get you off once multiple times get a if you go get drunk, you a bill. if you go get drunk, you end in acas. well, you get end up in acas. well, you get a bill i would be a little bit bill and i would be a little bit more i call an ambulance more like i call an ambulance out for that reason. you get a bill and i, i'll give you funding that you reckon is lacking. i well, we're lacking. and i well, we're talking billions, it talking billions, right? it would message, right? would send the message, right? that of and i sympathise that kind of and i sympathise with it. right. the people with it. right. i the people closest to my life, of them closest to my life, many of them work front line of the work on the front line of the nhs see of behaviour nhs and see kind of behaviour all time and they come home all the time and they come home and hard for them and and it's very hard for them and i say yeah, i sympathise. what we're saying, my point is the we're saying, my point is in the privatisation things we privatisation of the things we need to deal with, the massive large scale underinvestment in the to invest the nhs, the failure to invest in and in buildings to in kit and in buildings to demoralise have demoralise staff, to have decided them a pay decided not to give them a pay rise. an where there rise. in an era where there wasn't inflation. then wasn't inflation. so then stalled. bad favour in stalled. upload a bad favour in the government when there is inflation like we're seeing now with these were with the strikes, these were just these are really bad strategic decisions. we're suffering now . it's suffering from it now. it's going to take long time to going to take a long time to

repair damage. and i think repair the damage. and i think we should be focussed more on that another thing that instead of another thing that instead of another thing that we should also talk about, which is people, some people always taking the mickey, you know, former i'm reading know, from a former i'm reading this and i'm thinking i'm talking to you if you want a quick last word only to say that this actually been a good this has actually been a good debate at it has not debate and at least it has not been maintained, as it sometimes, afraid is in this sometimes, i'm afraid is in this country, through country, either through ignorance or through deliberate malice, the nhs malice, that spending on the nhs has down under the has gone down under the conservative party. like everywhere spending everywhere else, spending on it has it's just that some has gone up. it's just that some people will say by not enough and at least this man is willing to it should go up to say how much it should go up by which you normally get by which you don't normally get out on speaking out of people on the speaking political level, i go three cheers for laurie. why don't you stand it mark is saying, stand on it all? mark is saying, funded government. what funded by the government. what is once is this magic money tree? once again, everyone's wanting again, everyone's always wanting again, everyone's always wanting a handout from taxpayers. get real . that a handout from taxpayers. get real. that comes quite a lot as well because it follows through to that early conversation we were just having, andrew says, can stop talking about can we please stop talking about government helped, government money being helped, being help householders

being used to help householders change our gas boilers ? the change our gas boilers? the government money. it government has no money. it comes indeed from you and i, the taxpayer . i comes indeed from you and i, the taxpayer. i absolutely comes indeed from you and i, the taxpayer . i absolutely agree comes indeed from you and i, the taxpayer. i absolutely agree . taxpayer. i absolutely agree. well, why was you just inhaling breath then? do you agree with that? well there's a number of ways the government could finance itself, right? one is through taxpayer another through taxpayer money, another is and in the is through borrowing. and in the 20 tens, like we had , who repays 20 tens, like we had, who repays that debt, we hang on productive if things repay it, right. so if you if the government can basically borrow money at lower rates than any of us can, because it's a special entity in the 20 tens, it could borrow it for like rates that would make we would be like , maybe less. it we would be like, maybe less. it can then invest that in stuff that economy which that grows the economy which that grows the economy which that more tax for that means is more tax for businesses and which then businesses and stuff which then pays so should have pays it back. so should have invested interest rates invested when interest rates were low. they should had were low. they should have had more intention i well, right were low. they should have had moregotention i well, right were low. they should have had morego we're] i well, right were low. they should have had morego we're going well, right were low. they should have had morego we're going to ll, right were low. they should have had morego we're going to takejht they go we're going to take a quick we come back i want quick when we come back i want to you about a tweet to talk to you about a tweet that caught my eye from the home office. their words, they said they both albanian who they both cited an albanian who was working illegally on a

building site. so i want your thoughts on this. i'll be showing you the tweet in just a second. but i'm interested in if someone is here. we're hyper someone is here. we're all hyper 5 about, know, 5 minutes away about, you know, stuff shortages there stuff shortages here and there and everywhere. should people be allowed to work and contribute to economy in this to the economy in this situation? give me your thoughts. you that, thoughts. you you do that, gbnews.uk. you .

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impersonator spitting image star steve nolen. plus my gb news clips of the week we live from ain't . ain't. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry until 7:00 tonight alongside the political consultant alex dean and the policy researcher laurie lorelei on welcome back, everybody. alison's mark dolans asking the big questions about warburton's crumpets. i've got to say, i don't know. it's an awful thing. i don't call them crumpets. i call them pie clips. feel i don't call them crumpets. i call them pie clips . feel free. call them pie clips. feel free. australians do as well. yeah, i agree with mary on what i it. yeah. and everyone will respond a pie clip. michelle, you've just been sick. a pie killer is thin and wide. and i know that that can be defined as a pie. but what i think mark is referring to is what australians bought. apocalypse. yeah, i do. i don't know, maybe it's the whole thing if you, if you've

got nothing better to do tonight, get in search and tell me what you would call a competitive pike blitz anyway, we've had today one. my favourite things on the show, by the never the way, is randoms i'll never forget. you remember when we did that that i once that thing that i did once again, we did a story once about what up in agony what people ended up in agony with in the inside. i've with items in the inside. i've got some of those stories right. anyway today we've had more than half of migrants who arrived here illegally last year and claimed to be victims of modern slavery. albanian, then look at this tweak that caught my eye. it said it was sent from the home office twitter account , it said it was sent from the home office twitter account, and it says the following. i quote posted emigre and enforcement and sussex police caught an albanian man who was whacking illegal lee. it caught my eye. and i've got to say , kind of and i've got to say, kind of divided me a little bit because first of all, the tone of it felt a little bit , you know, felt a little bit, you know, that show can't pay to take away

or whatever it's called. i think that's appalling. always makes me feel a bit when i see it. that tweet made me feel a little bit like the. secondly, i couldn't believe the sheer number that were number of police that were involved in this quite sophisticated looking operation . was thinking , oh, . and then i was thinking, oh, we've got massive stash shortage in this country. it was whacking on the building site, contributing positive to positives and positively to the economy. then i thinking, economy. then i was thinking, but people that are but what about people that are here , that legal workers here, that are legal workers that perhaps didn't get that job that perhaps didn't get that job that i was thinking employers, are under wage are they hiring under wage employees, of course, was employees, which of course, was one of the reasons that a lot of people voted brexit. so i did a poll and it says about it, what do you think? i think government should boast about this. i'm of two it. i think this two minds about it. i think this kind good and certainly kind thing is good and certainly better material better than much of the material you coming out of government you see coming out of government media departments about woke this a different and this or a different images and flags want us to flags that they want us to embrace at of embrace it being at risk of being called bigots if don't. being called bigots if we don't. and seems that we and it seems to me that we should seek to do this. incentivise people from working

unlawfully after all, part of the point of work this is to suggest to people you can't get away with it. and many people come to this country unlawfully because they think quite often, rightly, that they can away rightly, that they can get away with it. you need to disabuse with it. so you need to disabuse them belief . it's only them of that belief. it's only fair the taxpayer workforce fair on the taxpayer workforce that you enforce these rules. after all, as you were implying , if you don't pay tax, then you can undercut anyone . you can can undercut anyone. you can undercut anyone with your your costs. and therefore, whilst, of course take your point about course, i take your point about proportionality and this one individual may not the individual may or may not be the worst the world, it worst case in the world, it seems to me only right that you enforce these laws enforce these things. laws either things or they either mean things or they don't. i have one caveat which may be less popular with your viewers. i if you are and viewers. i think if you are and you've been registered as an asylum seeker or a refugee , and asylum seeker or a refugee, and you're in the system asylum seeker or a refugee, and you'you in the system asylum seeker or a refugee, and you'you could in the system asylum seeker or a refugee, and you'you could pay the system asylum seeker or a refugee, and you'you could pay the ryouem and you could pay tax, you should be to work. so you should be able to work. so you think people crossing think these people are crossing the channel languishing in hotels should allowed. those hotels should be allowed. those people able to work. i people should be able to work. i don't believe in people working

unlawfully, from unlawfully, whether they're from this not. but this country or not. right. but change rules four change the rules of those four can me your thoughts can work. tell me your thoughts on lorry. think so. there on home lorry. i think so. there are a couple of issues that one is, idea we can deter is, is the idea we can deter people from wanting to try and enter the country because they get the that, you get wind of the fact that, you know, of police come know, loads of police come and crack on if you manage crack down on the if you manage to go and get a job and so on. and i'm a bit sceptical about the argument. it clearly isn't working. the idea that you the this kind of news will filter through stop people, get through and stop people, get them to think about trying them to think again about trying to their war country to flee their war torn country and over channel. i'm and cross over the channel. i'm and cross over the channel. i'm a sceptical of if not a bit sceptical of it, if not just because clearly hasn't just because it clearly hasn't worked. second thing worked. the second thing being a war torn country albanians. if we just talk about we want to just talk about albanians just about albanians, we'll just talk about albanians, we'll just talk about albania in. that case is the deterrence factor enough ? i've deterrence factor enough? i've not seen much proof of that so far, but there's a second point here about basically like processing. so at the moment, so people come into the country and then you've got to process them, give them the right to work if they've got legitimate to they've got legitimate reason to

be, on. and this is be, and so on. and this is another area i'm going to come back to. it where there has been underinvestment by the conservative. got time and conservative. we've got time and time stories situations time again stories of situations where junior staff who don't have one experience because the citizens have left, because they've become disillusion to inputting data into excel spreadsheets that crash and so on. there's not biometric data on. there's not biometric data on people in the hotel. some of them abscond and go building them abscond and go to building sites so on. it's like sites and so on. it's like a that the amount of money you need to invest this or that situation now is surely less than the huge amount money you need 20 coppers come and need to have 20 coppers come and bust guy on, one guy on bust the guy on, one guy on a building site and so on. so there's been an underinvestment in how process . and i agree with in how process. and i agree with alex, the saying about policy for work for making for people to work for making sure we've got compliance sure that we've got compliance there, clearly easy there, that's a clearly an easy area to invest instead of this kind of for me, i see that tweet and i'm like, this an eye and i'm like, this is an eye catching that's catching thing that's distracting from fact that distracting from the fact that the decided to invest the government decided to invest in of this stuff . i can't in all of this stuff. i can't help notice we've . done help but notice we've. done three so far with the

three stories so far with the best one the world you're best one in the world you're also each of them has been also on. each of them has been more money from government. it was also boilers. was you also on gas boilers. it's your answer. when we were talking was talking about the nhs, it was your this one too. i'm your answer on this one too. i'm sure we could, if we went long enough, find a topic on which you don't the government you don't think the government should more we should spend more money. we just don't of time. don't have that kind of time. i'm only on this one. i i'm all only on this one. i think on point about it's think on your point about it's just not working. haven't just not working. we haven't tried yet . this is tried it properly yet. this is the reason this is eye catching is government just doesn't really government really do that. yeah government generally this right. generally doesn't do this right. it we olds about it doesn't shout we olds about how often it's gone out and arrested people. and i note in this same campaign that some a clutch of albanians come unlawfully over the channel have been returned tirana tonight been returned to tirana tonight . yesterday under an agreement that we have signed with the albanians who freely recognised that nationals are that many of their nationals are coming here and working unlawfully. positive. unlawfully. that's a positive. and people take back and if those people take back a message, know, x or y, i was message, you know, x or y, i was working on a building site and got nicked. good. yeah. the flaw in the is that they don't

in the plan is that they don't take those messages what take those messages back. what they go on off they all do is go on ticked off and what see on tik tok is and what they see on tik tok is like a glorified travel brochure advertising these people advertising for these people to get dinghies come get on the dinghies and come over uk. give me your over to the uk. give me your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.uk you want so want to talk about pictures? so we're doing that as well. and just a couple of minutes. i'll see you carol from last see you then, carol from last night asked the following night you asked the following question, be question, what effects? i'll be getting after the .

break hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening along side me. i've got alex doing the political consultant and the policy researcher, laurie labour and lots of you guys have been getting in touch. liz says, no, michelle i was just asking earlier on about the albanian guy. guys just been busted. the

home office was for working illegally on a building site should they be allowed to work these people while they're being processed? no, they processed? liz says no, they shouldn't to work . shouldn't be allowed to work. they'll money while they'll pocket the money while we, they'll pocket the money while w9, , they'll pocket the money while we, , is pay we, the taxpayer, is pay all their living costs in four star hotels . but if they was working hotels. but if they was working and it was doing for burglars, you would get in wouldn't you would get in tax, wouldn't you? be you? so then they'd be contributing, guess, to contributing, i guess, to society. what you think to society. what do you think to that gary ? he says most of the that gary? he says most of the migrants coming are economic accountants and while they're in hotels doing nothing give them a job while being processed, tax them then make them pay them and then make them pay rent. got to say that is a sentiment as well . i would say sentiment as well. i would say a divided on that. matthew says the home office recently seem to say a lot , but they don't do say a lot, but they don't do a lot often. i think a lot of civil servants on strike, aren't they ? lots of you guys. i don't they? lots of you guys. i don't know what started now, but i was asking you about crumpet mark dolan was mentioning it so many people are agreeing with me . people are agreeing with me. john you say i'm a welsh lady.

john, don't sound much of a lady name for me, but in this day and age, what i've had john i'm a welsh lady from newport and i've always called them piglets, but i've no idea. roberts i'm so i've got no idea. roberts i'm so pleased remembers pleased someone else remembers piglets. that's that's i piglets. that's that's what i knew. the as a young boy knew. the miles as a young boy as well. of my other as well. and one of my other view is in my inboxes that michelle, i'm same i call michelle, i'm the same i call crumpets, piglets. i've always felt crumpets posh felt that crumpets was the posh word them. i agree with you. word for them. i agree with you. and clive, says michelle, the giveaway on packet. it giveaway is on the packet. it calls piglets and that calls them piglets and that sorry crumpets. what sorry crumpets. and that's what they i'll push back on they are. i'll push back on that. you get packets with rolls on them called rolls. they're not rolls. the bread cakes. so you can always go , oh my god, you can always go, oh my god, the farm cakes or what's a bum cake? a could the arm bomb cake? a bomb could the arm bomb with a m or an n arm bomb cake? there's not a northern thing . there's not a northern thing. maybe in staffordshire. i think you have like bond cakes and you get like a sausage and it's like a flat pancake in a row, i think. give me your thoughts anyway. when you watch show anyway. when you watch my show last so , you might

last night. if so, you might remember this . carol you've remember this. carol you've emailed me in and said, what is the definition of success? michelle that is an interesting one. i'm going to pick that up another day. that's all i've got time for , for, well, guess what? time for, for, well, guess what? it is indeed another day. laurie, your definition of success, i i know your success, i think i know your answer going more answer is going to be more government spending lots of tea , i guess is another cheap shot. i've got three, three very quick ones. it's the it's to the end of my life to look back on it and recognise i've been kind to people. the second is to consist and to come back on the show and the third is that we recognise that government could invest that the government could invest more system, should . all more in our system, should. all right. as we saw with liz right. and as we saw with liz truss and kwasi kwarteng , they truss and kwasi kwarteng, they clearly thought that they were going to give tax break to the going to give a tax break to the very wealthiest and that was seen as affordable . i cannot see seen as affordable. i cannot see why pay public sector workers better will fill in in th e £10 better will fill in in the £10 billion maintenance bill in the nhs is not something that we can

do in this country because people resented the tax break for wealthy. wound up for the wealthy. we wound up losing break, all us, losing a tax break, all of us, which i rather regret. but a definition of success in my bestselling book, lessons from history. just just history. i just i just could i discuss and george bush discuss that and george bush senior, who was president and vice president twice , was asked, vice president twice, was asked, what would a success mean for you? he said, my children you? and he said, my children still home. oh still want to come home. oh isn't that nice? oh, let's be honest , though. when you get to honest, though. when you get to a certain age, if you want, i want my kids to have to like the kids they got to robert roberts success, in my view, is achieving the goals you set yourself. banner success today is being able to pay your own way in life . lots of you are way in life. lots of you are saying simple things like success is happy nurse and i have to say i do agree with you on that. and i think that is quite a nice way to finish it, isn't it? success is happiness, contentment and just i don't know, i just maybe feeling good about yourself . anyway, look, about yourself. anyway, look, that's all i've got time for laura thank you very much, alex.

thank thank you very much as well. alison you've been in touch. you've cleared up a very important point. you're saying it's bomb cake in it's not a bomb cake in staffordshire. it's an okay, i'm glad i cleared up. glad i cleared that up. obviously weekend. obviously a fantastic weekend. eat any crumpets, eat your bread, any crumpets, any . i'll see you on any piglets. i'll see you on monday evening . i'm alex deakin. monday evening. i'm alex deakin. and this is your latest update from the met office. we'll start this weekend's mild and wet, but will end its with the likelihood of frost and ice and the possibility of a bit of snow to boot at the moment, low pressure systems and weather fronts are coming in from the southwest, bringing the wet weather and also the reasonably mild conditions . it's a bit chilly conditions. it's a bit chilly out there right now, but as the rain pushes in from the west, temperatures actually temperatures will actually rise through rain through the night. but the rain could further issues. could cause some further issues. there are flood warnings in place the environment agency place and the environment agency and office yellow and we have a met office yellow warning place for rain warning in place for that rain across england and across western england and wales. i said, temperatures wales. as i said, temperatures actually rising through the night. so we start the weekend in south in double digits. in the south in double digits. we start with quite a bit

we also start with quite a bit of rain and it will be bluster as well the winds picking up through night. a wet through the night. a wet and windy morning. for windy saturday morning. for many, brighter many, it's heading brighter quite northern quite quickly in northern ireland, coming ireland, but more showers coming in into western in here and into western scotland where there'll some scotland where there'll be some snow hills. but very snow on the hills. but very turning for most of england turning up for most of england and dunng turning up for most of england and during the day. so and wales during the day. so some sunshine, it'll some afternoon sunshine, it'll also turn colder through the day. temperature actually day. so temperature actually dropping afternoon dropping through the afternoon and generally 5 to 7 celsius for most temperatures dropping further on saturday night . the further on saturday night. the winds whipping up across northern ireland. rain to northern ireland. more rain to come so we another come here. so we have another met office warning in met office yellow warning in place northern ireland place across northern ireland for saturday night. the winds strengthening further north as well we'll see bit more in well and we'll see bit more in the way of snow coming down to low levels northern scotland by sunday overall, sunday morning. overall, sometimes a drier and a brighter day for saturday much eastern day for saturday much of eastern england, be showers england, there will be showers further snow across the mountains of north wales and a little bit in the hills across northern ireland too. but say generally drier and brighter for most. on sunday colder most. on sunday but also colder temperatures , struggling to get

temperatures, struggling to get much of a 4 to 8 celsius along the south coast. the winds picking up in the far southwest and the potential for a bit more wet on sunday night into wet weather on sunday night into monday morning. as it turns monday morning. and as it turns colder, bring the risk colder, that does bring the risk of up to date of some snow. keep up to date with met office. weather with the met office. weather warnings weekend .

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