on mark dolan tonight in my big opinion monologue as teachers prepare to go on strike, have young people not suffered enough after two years of school closures. my mark meets guest is one of the most powerful figures british politics. it's the leader of the d you p, sir jeffrey donaldson . in the big jeffrey donaldson. in the big question is kenneth clarke right that the tories need a break from power and the news agenda would labour fix the nhs and should rishi sunak block nicholas sturgeon controversial new trans law class might take it ten as mp andrew bridge in

loses the tory whip .7 is he right loses the tory whip.7 is he right to flag up concerns about the covid 19 vaccine? my verdict on one of the big political stories the week. lots to get through. but first, the headlines with bethany elsey . mark, thank you. bethany elsey. mark, thank you. good evening. i'm bethany with your top stories from the newsroom. police are still searching for the gunman behind yesterday's suspected drive by shooting in central london. a seven year old girl remains in a critical condition after being shot outside a church near euston station for women and a second child aged 12. also taken to hospital with one of them suffering life changing injuries. police say shots were fired from a moving black toyota as left a funeral service . at as left a funeral service. at least 68 people have been killed in a plane crash in nepal. the country's worst aviation disaster in three decades. 72

people were on board the yeti airlines flight that crashed in pokhara during clear skies. those board included passengers from india, ireland, austria chile and france. all four of the bodies have been recovered . the bodies have been recovered. the search operation has been paused until tomorrow morning . paused until tomorrow morning. the leader says the nhs reform or enter a period of managed decline. writing in the sunday telegraph , sir keir starmer said telegraph, sir keir starmer said a labour would make gp direct nhs employees rather than allowing them to run their own practise he also spoke of getting rid of bureaucratic nonsense to allow patients to bypass gp's and self—refer themselves to specialists . a man themselves to specialists. a man has been arrested under terrorism laws after traces of uranium were found . a package at uranium were found. a package at heathrow airport . border force heathrow airport. border force officers detected the radioactive material in a shipment of scrap metal towards

the end of december. met police confirmed there was no evidence the package posed a direct threat to the public. the man has been released bail until april . at least 30 people have april. at least 30 people have been killed and 30 more are being treated in hospital after a russian missile hit an apartment building in central ukraine. rescue efforts are continuing with officials saying a further 40 people could still be trapped under the rubble. yesterday russia launched a major missile attack on ukraine, striking vital energy across the country . and back here , snow and country. and back here, snow and ice is expected to cross much of the uk with temperatures set to drop below zero in most places overnight . the met office has overnight. the met office has issued several weather warnings for ice and scots in wales and the north of england . it's also the north of england. it's also warning motorists of difficult driving conditions as heavy snow falls in parts of the country. the environment agency also issued 180 flooding this

afternoon . you're up to date on afternoon. you're up to date on tv, online and derby radio. this is tv news. now get back to . mark my mark my thanks to bethany elsey who returns in an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion monologue . as in my big opinion monologue. as teachers prepare to go on strike, have young people not suffered enough after two years of school closures ? in the big of school closures? in the big question is kenneth clarke right that the tories need a break from power will be debating that with the vice chairman , the tory with the vice chairman, the tory party and tory legend ann widdecombe . and my mark means widdecombe. and my mark means guest is one of the most powerful figures in british politics. it's the leader of the dup , sir jeffrey donaldson politics. it's the leader of the dup , sirjeffrey donaldson . it dup, sir jeffrey donaldson. it might take a ten as mp andrew bridgen loses the tory whip. is he right to flag up concerns about the vaccine? my verdict on

one of the big political stories of the week, we've also got the papers at 1030 sharp with full panel reaction also in the news agenda. would labour fix the nhs should rishi sunak block nicola sturgeon's controversial new trans law? and is modern parenting now too soft ? reacting parenting now too soft? reacting to those stories and many more? all my all star panel of journalist broadcaster nina mitchell , historian and mitchell, historian and political david oldroyd and bestselling and broadcaster emma wolf , now want to hear from you wolf, now want to hear from you throughout the show. it's going to be a busy, but it's all about your views mark at gbnews.uk. and this show has a golden rule . we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just won't it? so for the next 2 hours, big debates , the next 2 hours, big debates, big guests, and always big . big guests, and always big. let's start with this . one as

let's start with this. one as teachers are balloted for strike action next month . you have to action next month. you have to ask yourself whether children and young people haven't suffered enough after two years of school closures. one of the madder elements of the government's covid response was shutting in the first place. a you won't hear many people defend right now . there wasn't defend right now. there wasn't much evidence to suggest keeping kids out of school. would stop the spread of covid and mask them all day long. even kids as young as 11 didn't seem to move the dial either and is therefore my view that children were among worst casualties of the pandemic , given the impact of school closures on their mental health, their physical health, the safeguarding with being stuck at home in an abusive or chaotic setting , the isolation, the lack setting, the isolation, the lack of exercise not seeing their mates . instead, it was a joyless

mates. instead, it was a joyless existence as they stared down the barrel of a computer webcam receiving tuition was let's be polite variable in quality with children mentally and physically impacted school closures as well as their life chances diminished as their life chances diminished as a result of the academic interruption . and you'd have interruption. and you'd have thought the last thing would do is consign back to their bedrooms and the pale, joyless blue strobe of the computer screen. i've got no doubt that, like the nurses our teachers have a good case for a pay rise. absolutely but i'm afraid the cost lockdown crisis has destroyed the economy . so the destroyed the economy. so the cupboards bare any money the government gives in inverted commas is actually more borrowed , further increasing cost of servicing government debts. and of course, public sector pay rises are inflation , and rises are inflation, and inflation is a tax on everyone.

if the government yield to the union barons , inflation will be union barons, inflation will be baked into . the system for baked into. the system for a generation that is a forever recession. so let me spell this out on the blackboard, if you like. here's my here's my chores. you remember chalk? i think i'm showing my age. i do hope you're listening at the back the economically ruinous covid measures for which the unions clamoured are the reason why a pay rise is not the unions have thought of that as backed policies which destroyed the economy stay at home orders, social distancing , borrowing social distancing, borrowing half a trillion quid and the aforementioned school closures, which also impacted the economy as families had to look after their kids rather than to work . their kids rather than to work. and it was the teachers unions who pushed for school closures demonstrating, in my view , scant demonstrating, in my view, scant regard for the best interests of children . for lockdown

children. for lockdown supporters like , the unions to supporters like, the unions to complain about all current economic circumstances is like an arsonist complaining the building he's just burnt down. now in my view, all teachers are world class. my kids gets a brilliant education in, the state sector, the hard work, the commitment, the care, the talents, unbeliever all teaching staff. and i know that's the case up and down the country in primary and secondary , but the primary and secondary, but the teaching unions are being a disruptive force in the classroom when it comes to the nhs . n0 classroom when it comes to the nhs. no industrial action classroom when it comes to the nhs . no industrial action affect nhs. no industrial action affect patients , but with nursing and patients, but with nursing and ambulance strikes it obviously has when it comes to education, no industrial action should affect kids. but again it absolutely will. the teaching unions haven't done their homework. i'm giving it an f.

what's your view? mark@gbnews.uk. now the teaching unions argue that the scientists were worried that kids were going to school catching covid, going to school catching covid, going home, multigenerational households, spreading it to the giving it to gran. that was a worry of the unions. also, they were worried about vulnerable teachers catching and getting very ill. so there's two sides to every argument, but do you think about it, mark, at jb news uk. let's get reaction from my fantastic panel now. i'm delighted to welcome nina , ms. delighted to welcome nina, ms. david oldroyd bolt and emma . david oldroyd bolt and emma. nina, let me start you. the teaching unions have no rights to request that teachers go on strike. the have every right to go on strike. it's the inalienable right of anyone to withdraw their labour. of course, you know, most in the teaching professions are our caring, dedicated professions , caring, dedicated professions, like like the people who teach your son. but they are at their

wits end in terms. the wages, their salaries have dropped by nearly 25% in the last decade or so. so they are they are absolutely at the pinch point . absolutely at the pinch point. and the thing is , you know, and the thing is, you know, children are, as you say are, the most important aspect of all of this. they are our future should take care of them. we need to be able to retain teachers as teachers who care know. and it's like a vocation . know. and it's like a vocation. the ones who go in as a vocation, they are being taken advantage of as the other ones drop away. they're not going to attract the right kind of anybody . and it's going to be a anybody. and it's going to be a downward . we need to and we need downward. we need to and we need to invest financially and also schools do not have enough funding . look at look at what funding. look at look at what happened , you know, with when happened, you know, with when the energy crisis first hit. i mean, and november or december, i think schools , were actually i think schools, were actually debating whether they should close those for one day a week

and only open on you four days because they couldn't afford to keep the heating on. this is a structure that situation that structure in that situation that cannot continue. you've got to fund education. you've to fund education. you've got to fund education. you've got to fund. fund education. you've got to fund . i mean, i heard a phone in fund. i mean, i heard a phone in on the radio yesterday when one woman her child had had woman said her child had had since . all 20 different supply since. all 20 different supply teachers. now, how anybody have a proper without any any kind of continuity . it's ridiculous. continuity. it's ridiculous. it's this a throes of this government and it's just wrecking everything . david wrecking everything. david oldroyd both. nina metcalfe argues the teachers deserve their pay rise. they need it. oh, they deserve it. but i'm afraid they can't have it because the whole country as nina says, suffered about 25. real terms drop in earnings over the past ten years. and the unfortunate is that in the private sector , that's even private sector, that's even greater. and it is the sector that pays for the public sector . there is a really stark choice here. we can either , as here. we can either, as a country given to the unions and

give massive inflationary pay demands , or we can accept that demands, or we can accept that for the next couple of years as we recover, as whole economy recovers and hopefully as have a government that decides to turn as once more into an entrepreneurial enterprising high growth economy than this moribund static economy that we've become for the past 25 years, we can actually start to think about giving people pay rises. as the economy grows, there will be more money for the teachers, for the nurses, for the doctors, for all these servants who, as nina quite rightly says, have suffered. but at simply at the moment, simply impossible. have disagree impossible. now, i have disagree with you, mark. i don't think that our state that the standard our state schools anywhere nearly good schools is anywhere nearly good enough. look the pisa enough. if you look at the pisa ratings, we suffer in comparison enough. if you look at the pisa ratin a , we suffer in comparison enough. if you look at the pisa ratin a greatuffer in comparison enough. if you look at the pisa ratin a great comparable parison enough. if you look at the pisa ratin a great comparable european with a great comparable european nafions with a great comparable european nations and around the world. we suffer incredibly . so think suffer incredibly. so i think there a whole gamut of there is a whole gamut of educational be gone educational reform be gone through here. michael gove tried it and was rebuffed by guest to the teaching unions. so i think we need to accept that in instance, the teaching unions are not these guardians of their

members rights. they are very often blocks to reform. they are often blocks to reform. they are often blocks to improvement. and they exist rarely in order to give governments kicking when they don't get the money they want. the issue i've got with the teachers going on strike is effectively another for kids. emma wolf . yeah. and i think we emma wolf. yeah. and i think we have to remember lockdown was very different. i mean, you talk about law, you talk about children staring down the barrel of webcam and, all of that of a webcam and, all of that kind of lockdown was very kind of stuff. lockdown was very different different kind of stuff. lockdown was very different it different kind of stuff. lockdown was very different it waserent kind of stuff. lockdown was very different it was very: kind of stuff. lockdown was very different it was very different kind of stuff. lockdown was very difiwhich it was very different kind of stuff. lockdown was very difiwhich children ry different kind of stuff. lockdown was very difiwhich children and fferent kind of stuff. lockdown was very difiwhich children and poor1t for which children and poor children . when you are stuck in children. when you are stuck in a block with, i don't a tower block with, i don't know, four or five brothers, sisters, even have sisters, you don't even have broadband. you don't have broadband. maybe you don't have laptops. attempt to laptops. there was an attempt to try some of tech out to try and get some of tech out to most children. you know, most children. but, you know, when your can't heat when your parents can't heat your whatever that no your home or whatever that no outside and you're not outside space and you're not even to go to the park, even allowed to go to the park, thatis even allowed to go to the park, that is to being in a that is very to being in a lovely large house mommy lovely large house with mommy and working from home and and daddy working from home and lovely big garden and we're banned on and all the tech banned on tap and all the tech that you need. so, you know, the

last couple years really last couple years have really exhausted that social divide, that economic and frankly i think i have to agree with david, i think that teachers need to start thinking about, well, first of all, they need something about children, but also they have to accept, as do nurses, as do many public sector workers , that there is not the workers, that there is not the money at moment that everybody is suffering , not the rich, but is suffering, not the rich, but everybody is suffering at a certain level . and until there certain level. and until there is the money we fund these pay rises cannot just give in to pay demands . another monologue the demands. another monologue the way at 10:00 in my take it ten, i'll be reacting for the first time on to air tory mp ex—tory mp of course andrew bridges comments about the vaccine and safety. my remarks at ten. you won't want to miss that. in the news agenda would labour fix the nhs and should rishi sunak block nicholas sturgeon's controversial new law. basically you're over 18 three months

you're over 18 three months you're call yourself a woman . you're call yourself a woman. we'll be speaking to a political hero of mine, labour for canterbury rosie duffield. she's live on the show before ten. you won't want to miss that . my mark won't want to miss that. my mark means guest is one of the most important figures. british politics. the leader , the dup, politics. the leader, the dup, sir jeffrey and. but next in big sirjeffrey and. but next in big question is kenneth clarke right 7 question is kenneth clarke right ? but the tories need a break. power to big conservative figures. we'll discuss shortly .

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that everyone has the right to withdraw their labour to defend their only a dictator state would remove this right by keeping on saying it's the union's fault it is this government's fault in constantly challenging the i was a tory voter, but never again for the rest of my life. i am 65. malcolm thank you for that. i'm sure you were a sprightly 65. do keep those coming. it's time now for . this keep those coming. it's time now for. this yes, indeed that was quick, wasn't it? yes indeed. the big question in which we tackle a major news story of the day this week, former conservative chancellor of the exchequer and health secretary kenneth clarke has suggested the conservatives could do with a break from power, a chance to have a rest . another tory bigwig have a rest. another tory bigwig michael heseltine, has a similar sentiment and even ex chancellor george osborne remember him , george osborne remember him, told the times newspaper it wouldn't be terrible for the country if keir starmer became

minister after 13 years in government . are the tories government. are the tories running out of is a stint in what they need to regroup and reunite around a leader and have a vision for the future ? or is a vision for the future? or is rishi sunak the start they needed to debate this? i'm delighted to welcome . two icons delighted to welcome. two icons of the concert active movement. we have former conservative government minister and whittaker bestselling author and television personality no less, and a very first appearance on mark dolan tonight, a warm welcome to the mp redditch and conservative party vice—chairman rachel mclean. rachael welcome to the show. do you think that your party has run out of steam? you could do with a rest as tory icon kenneth clarke puts it definitely . no, thank you, mark, definitely. no, thank you, mark, for having me on. and i don't think i've ever been called an icon before. so that's the first. so no , i don't agree at

first. so no, i don't agree at all. that statement that we need all. that statement that we need a rest. i think we've got a huge amount to do. i think we're all full of energy and determined to press on. and i think if you look at the alternative that would face us if keir starmer and his team did get into power. i it would damage the country quite considerably. we do have challenges ahead of us but the way tackle those is through conservative policies, conservative policies, conservative philosophy is presenting policies are attractive to our voters and to the country such as lowering taxes , boosting growth and of taxes, boosting growth and of course, dealing with small boats and crime and a whole number of other things . however, rachel, other things. however, rachel, we've got ppe scandal, which gets worse by the day. partygate, which ousted not the last prime minister the one before that. do try to keep up. the nhs is in. lots of industries are on strike. we've got the crossings all on the watch of the tories. sometimes a thousand a day. and of course this is a that hasn't got over

bofis this is a that hasn't got over boris johnson surely break is the answer . boris johnson surely break is the answer. no i don't i don't accept that. and you know, look we had partygate and we've moved on from that. we have a newly leader now and i think the vast, vast majority of my colleagues never say 100% because we're talking about the conservative party. but, you know, the vast majority behind rishi sunak. party. but, you know, the vast majority behind rishi sunak . we majority behind rishi sunak. we need to unite or you we will die. and i think we've all realised that we have some really difficult challenges. i'm very perfectly about that and you've outlined some of them and there are more, but the idea that the labour party could actually grip the crisis in the nhs and take on the i think is complete and utter nonsense. i mean we would just see a country just completely in to the unions all again that isn't going to deliver for people who need to get up and to work or send their children to school. i think that's absolutely the thing to do. and you know these people who've made these comments be

sort elder statesman type sort of elder statesman type thing, but you know, frankly, we need to look at the people in government now and support them to these crises . and you to tackle these crises. and you know, they have my full confidence in doing so. ann widdecombe whether the net zero agenda the chinese agenda whether the chinese communist party policy of lockdowns , whether it's lockdowns, whether it's historically high taxes, the conservative party aren't conservative party aren't conservative anymore . they need conservative anymore. they need a period in opposition to regroup and find their political compass . oh, you see, i agree compass. oh, you see, i agree with your first statement, which is the aren't conservatives anymore . one reason why anymore. one reason why i haven't rejoined the party following the dissolution of the brexit party. no, they're not conservative. liz truss made valid volume attempt to make the conservative but unfortunately she bungled it ruthlessly. but apart that this there's no real conservatism there at all. this is a high tax , high spend party. is a high tax, high spend party. well that's not conservative and yes we now are know getting

measures towards trying to uphold free speech which is very welcome. but i want to see how effective they are because that's at the essence of conservatism as well . just look conservatism as well. just look at the three people who have said that the conservative dem's need to go into opposition. just look at ken paul, need to go into opposition. just look at ken paul , michael, need to go into opposition. just look at ken paul, michael, some george . now i've got great for george. now i've got great for cannon for my colleague parson george but they are all three or put remain ears and the hope probably is that if we have starmer government then we are going to put on the back burner all the brexit freedom memes, all the brexit freedom memes, all the brexit freedom memes, all the things that we could be doing, take true advantage of brexit, which so far this conservative government has not done. conservative government has not done . and i think that is a very done. and i think that is a very large part of it. but if anybody there is thinking, as a lot of people do, oh, well, you know, maybe they do need a break. a break from conservative government means by definition a

labour government . you're going labour government. you're going to have a government that's hock to have a government that's hock to the unions. to have a government that's hock to the unions . you're going to to the unions. you're going to have a government that isn't very clear about what it wants to do about brexit, what it wants to about northern ireland. you've got a government which is achingly , achingly woke. i mean achingly, achingly woke. i mean keir starmer can't even tell us whether a woman can have a male appendage. he doesn't appear know that they are achingly well and i do not want to the conservatives go into opposition to put that sort of a party in power. what i want to see is a rebirth of conservatism. rachel's sure the vice chairman of the party are of conservatism , not labour . cannot be done , not labour. cannot be done rachel mclean. in the next two years, before the next election, can the conservatives be conservative again ? so i have a

conservative again? so i have a lot of sympathy for . what is lot of sympathy for. what is saying and you know i do obviously speak to michael situations and members of the pubuc situations and members of the public and. i do hear comments like that of course i do, but i think we do have to reflect that. we have just come through these extreme global stresses as know you mentioned liz truss, i supported liz, i thought her platform was phenomenal . it had platform was phenomenal. it had all the elements in it that i believe in. unfortunately, you for whatever reason the way she went about delivering it unfortunate it was not a conservative way of doing things because she was just if you like to radical too quickly and we all saw the knock on consequences of that. i mean, i think conservatism is about being sensible with the economy having a platform and an set of policies that can grow our and generate wealth for everybody, stimulate business and investment , but also keep the investment, but also keep the economy on an even keel without

many shocks . and we have had, of many shocks. and we have had, of course , the global shock of course, the global shock of covid. we've had all the challenges with ukraine and all the energy shocks. so our has been battered. it really has . been battered. it really has. but we do now need that stability . i think we all stability. i think we all started to see that it is quite welcome to see how the current government is grappling with some of that i mean of course we would all like more tax absolutely won't that mean that was one of the reasons why i is because she very much was she put that front and centre but unfortunately it wasn't realistic it couldn't be delivered in that time frame . i delivered in that time frame. i think the current prime minister is being clear about his aspiration. he wants to be able to cut and look, we all want that. we all want lower taxes. it's taking out of people's pockets and putting back into pockets and putting it back into the and i much the exchequer and i much hope that we get the economy that if we can get the economy into a better place and get that flywheel of growth going again is generate more is going to generate more revenue into exchequer and we can start those tax cuts

can start to see those tax cuts coming forward and certainly that's the case that i make every speak to my every time, i speak to my colleagues government. rachel colleagues in government. rachel mclean rate rishi mclean you didn't rate rishi sunak the last leadership election . what's changed? you election. what's changed? you know, we've had debates. they were very vigorous . they were were very vigorous. they were very robust . and i regret that very robust. and i regret that we actually to have a leadership competition. we had have it. and at that time we had to pick somebody that we supported as a as i said , i supported liz as i said, i supported liz truss. but unfortunately all know, you know , we all know how know, you know, we all know how that played out and of course i support the prime minister now because i think what he's doing is he has brought our party together . you know, look, is he has brought our party together. you know, look, he's stable ised the economy. we are now back to a much more secure place . we've seen some of those place. we've seen some of those turbulence in the markets and in the international markets pass . the international markets pass. we can now look forward to a bit more repair to stability. and i of course, i support him because the end of the day, as i was just said, what the alternative the alternative is to just have

a labour government and a very briefly, i don't know, not in the of my the best interests of my constituents at all. rachel i've only got a couple of seconds left. just a word on. the left. just a quick word on. the last but one prime minister, it seems the party grassroots are very torn over the fenestration sin of boris johnson. my as a former politics is that the party has been dogged by over europe for decades , as it seems europe for decades, as it seems now to be dogged by division over. now to be dogged by division over . boris now to be dogged by division over. boris johnson. now to be dogged by division over. borisjohnson. i now to be dogged by division over. boris johnson. i wonder whether the biggest stumbling block for the party, the fact that as a movement, as a parliamentary , you don't seem be parliamentary, you don't seem be able to move on. i don't agree actually, and that's not what i pick up either from my members in redditch or from my parliamentary colleagues. i think most of us now want to put that behind us . as i said, that behind us. as i said, i regret that we had to have that competition. i wish we still have boris johnson and we

haven't had the scandals. he was a minister, but are a fantastic minister, but we are where. we are. so i think we can together. and i actually i think it's an existential threat for us to confront face with the labour government. the prospect of a labour government. i think we're going to get behind we're all going to get behind our current prime minister and is word. so she gets is the last word. so she gets the last word. what do you think? closing thoughts , simply think? closing thoughts, simply this , whatever else you this boris, whatever else you may say want an 80 c majority ? may say want an 80 c majority? what the devil as the conservative party done with it, what have you done with it ? my what have you done with it? my deep thanks to former conservative minister and to rachel mclean member of parliament for redditch and vice chair of the conservative party. a fascinating conversation your reaction please mark at gb news dot uk coming up my mark meets guest is the leader of the dup sir jeffrey donaldson. we'll talk about that northern ireland protocol plus the papers at 1030 and my take at ten my first on air reaction to the comments of

tory ex tory mp andrew bridgen and the vaccine . so much to get and the vaccine. so much to get through. but next up , would the through. but next up, would the labour party fix the nhs? see you .

in two and. a is not happy about the prospect of a labour government .labour prospect of a labour government . labour are behind all current issues. they precipitated patients hospitals as patients using hospitals as health centres when they allowed doctors to choose not to work . doctors to choose not to work. evenings weekends. tony evenings and weekends. tony irresponsibly opened the east european borders. willy blair's education policy for 50% of kids to go to university where they're brainwashed to entitled lefties who are now teachers , lefties who are now teachers, nurses and foreign office staff who refuse to efficiently carry tory government policies . tory government policies. looking forward to seeing starmer what does that say or reap what blair sowed and what a

written email. thank you for that. written email. thank you for that . do keep those emails that. do keep those emails coming. market gb news dot uk is mark dolan tonight well staying on labour the nhs must reform or die. that's the message this weekend . the labour party weekend. the labour party leader, sir keir , in major leader, sir keir, in major interviews with the bbc and the telegraph starmer the nhs would always be free at the points of views, but the reform is needed to avoid a managed decline. and starmer says a labour would tackle what he the bureaucratic sense which he thinks plagues the nhs. a surprising change in tone. emma wolf from keir starmer you would think that the pubuc starmer you would think that the public sector was, his political constituency, but he's talking tough with the nhs he is and it's not while the original what he's saying it's this article the telegraph really worth our worth read and i didn't write it it's not wildly original but it's not wildly original but it's quite daring for a labour leader. he's only really catching up with what was saying a few weeks , but it's actually

a few weeks, but it's actually yeah , i think it's daring for yeah, i think it's daring for labour to say this and i'm getting a bit nervous i think starmer. looks like he's on manoeuvres. it looks he's manoeuvres. it looks like he's on move actually finally on the move and actually finally he's things and saying he's saying things and saying some quite sensible things. what he's saying about nhs is we're not the envy of the world. the nhs is not the envy of the world, but it's riven with this middle management nonsense that . i'm putting, putting in my own words. but there's a lot of wastage and that it needs reform from top to bottom. yeah and for labour to be saying that is kind of it's something of yeah. it's something difficult to be slashing that sacred . exactly. that it's not sacred. exactly. that it's not a shibboleth, that it's not a kind of, you know, yeah, it's a sacred cow that we can look at this and we examine this. and he's also trying to refocus the nhs on looking after patient use that we don't need to apologise . we you know that we would quite the nhs to be about quite like the nhs to be about nurses and doctors instead of paying nurses and doctors instead of paying diversity grand, paying diversity officers grand, instead paying media instead of paying media management consultants. 95 grand and nurses on £29,000, we

and the nurses on £29,000, we focus ambulances, nurses , focus ambulances, nurses, doctors getting treatment , doctors getting treatment, patients, taxpayers who actually pay patients, taxpayers who actually pay for the nhs instead of this nonsense pouring more billions and more billions and more billions into this funnel that is the nhs. it's not about the funding, it's the organisation. and i hear what you're saying, but once he gets into number 10, david oldroyd bold he will under pressure from the public sector to the cash. of course he to splash the cash. of course he will. like any labour leader, he's in part in hope he's going to be in part in hope to unions because will to the unions because they will have campaign and put have funded his campaign and put there. welcome the fact there. but i welcome the fact that sir keir has said that this is envy of the world and we is the envy of the world and we must straight . that and do must be straight. that and i do cw must be straight. that and i do cry over fact that he's continuing this myth that the is free at the of views. it's free at the point of views. it's not only going your gp not only going to see your gp doing through that is doing something through that is free the point of view. if free at the point of view. if you to the optician, you pay you go to the optician, you pay for if you go to the for it. if you go to the dentist, pay it. i don't dentist, you pay for it. i don't see why we can't have nugatory charge in the visiting your gp andindeed charge in the visiting your gp and indeed some for

and indeed some penalty for those appointment those who make an appointment and up. i don't see and don't turn up. i don't see why they can't. the why they can't. with the blending of private system of blending of a private system of insurance, public insurance, with the public system exists in most of the system as exists in most of the rest the world, i'm so bored rest of the world, i'm so bored with the that every we talk with the fact that every we talk about left and about nhs reform the left and particularly labour left, particularly the labour left, it must said, to this idea must be said, leads to this idea that the dichotomy is between america there dozens of america and there are dozens of other opportunities throughout world from which can learn world from which we can learn a functioning services, the functioning health services, the mixed and provision in mixed public and provision in order give best patient order to give best patient outcomes. keir starmer's outcomes. and sir keir starmer's serious nhs reform if he serious about nhs reform if he is going to make this his totem upon which he puts his bid to be the leader of the country at the next general then next general election, then i hope might continue some hope he might continue some of the we've him say the sensible we've heard him say we've write rather we've seen him write rather today and look at those other systems because think only systems because i think only labour do i see labour can do it. i don't see this is something electorally or politically that the conservatives ever really do because so mistrusted by because they're so mistrusted by the medical establishment. whereas i think if a labour government with a serious plan for reform came in, there would just the glimmer of the chance of reforming the before it

of reforming the nhs before it has be absolutely scrapped has to be absolutely scrapped and something else put in its place would be desirable from my point of view. but in difficult to do administratively in my view. the elephant in the room regarding the nhs that it costs too much. yes there's this boast that the nhs is the biggest employer europe. that's not a boast that that is reflected . boast that that is reflected. it's the third biggest employer in the world. after the chinese people's army in the indian railways. that's not a good thing, shouldn't be. thing, is it? shouldn't be. i mean. yes, i want many. no, i wouldn't. i mean, if i was in charge, i'd keep all the nurses keep all the doctors, but i would many of the others. would lose many of the others. so starmer as so about money. has starmer as far to admit that money no far as to admit that money no longer the issue because this is the the crack of the problem the crack cocaine of spending which spending money to which i believe are addicted. believe labour are addicted. i think started hint at it, think he started to hint at it, but how far he would be allowed to go by his party is real to go by his party is the real political question. now he can hint all he likes. but the hint at it all he likes. but the reality is that labour knows where its votes come from and they large part from the

they come in large part from the pubuc they come in large part from the public this public sector workers in this country, as you just pointed out, that is out, the biggest part of that is the nhs. so they're not going to say to the country, well, i'm sorry, nhs can't have sorry, the nhs can't have as much because by much money this year because by doing they stymie their doing so they stymie their chances next chances of winning the next general you think general election. do you think labour fix the nhs if they labour will fix the nhs if they get nina i think get into power? nina i think they have a go at it because somebody has take charge. i mean, i firmly believe that it should at the point of should be free at the point of use. it should be. that's what that's what the whole nhs. but and i agree i don't want to be fishing around for my credit card when i've broken my leg. no. but, but there no. absolutely but, but there are that and he's are changes that had and he's mentioned we've mentioned bureaucracy and we've bureaucracy that, bureaucracy we all know that, you it's such a vast you know, it's such a vast structure is bound to be inefficient because it's too just to manage because it's not being managed properly. but also he's talking the gp's and bringing them gradually back into public sector. now that seems to me and i note a little about it are the fortunately have been very healthy i haven't had to have much medical treatment but you know only

surgery how dare you. well how else would you be so gorgeous. oh, well, thank you, but i'm afraid this is me as am. and that's it. i'm terrified of knives and never injections. forget it . the thing knives and never injections. forget it. the thing is knives and never injections. forget it . the thing is that forget it. the thing is that people trying to get appoint with a gp at 8:00 in the morning, trying to ring and knocking absolutely hopeless, you know , and then you never get you know, and then you never get to see the same doctor. they don't weekend . they don't work at weekend. they don't work at weekend. they don't work at weekend. they don't work in the evening. i gone are the days when you know, when when was you know when i was when was you know with donna's thoughts were roaming it was all roaming the earth and it was all very different. you knew you had a family doctor, correct and they you and the they knew you and the appointments may not have any longer, but because they knew and they knew your history , then and they knew your history, then it was more efficient. you know you've you've got to start with the gp's you've got to start with social care and once you get that sorted then you can go on and start reforming everything else. but i mean i think the fact that c'est alma

has been so blunt about it, in fact but saying it's you know in such crisis whereas the conservative is who are fighting like rats in a sack over everything else and only only seem to be worrying about whether they're going to win the next election or not. not actually whether they're going next election or not. not ac'getly whether they're going next election or not. not ac'get to nhether they're going next election or not. not ac'get to gripser they're going next election or not. not ac'get to grips with ay're going next election or not. not ac'get to grips with things)ing to get to grips with things properly the people, for properly for the people, for patients that they are too busy worrying about . are they going worrying about. are they going to be an mp in two years time to actually do anything about it properly? well, there you go. what do you think? are you by starmer's strong words or is this more snake oil politics from mr. sitting the fence? let me know your thoughts. margaret gb news, whose daughter uk next up i'm very much looking forward speaking to rosie duffield mp should rishi sunak block nicola sturgeon's controversial new trans law. rosie duffield has taken a brave stance on this issue is next .

next well a big reaction to our discussion about nhs would labour fix the nhs? and let's have a look richard says the nhs is taxpayer's kryptonite that's getting unbearably heavy . it getting unbearably heavy. it will ruin us all if we don't face the fact that it needs and radical reform instead of more cash brave decisions are needed to turn this titan of waste in the right direction before implodes . how about this from implodes. how about this from beverly? mark the tories are so far out touch i think they must be living on mars. they're going to be obliterated. come the next election. some polls . how about election. some polls. how about this from kirsty mark do starmer and labour realise labour control the nhs in wales? maybe labour can use nhs wales to prove to the uk that they can

fix the whole of organisation. and last but not for now, brigitte, who has emailed in from romney marsh very nice part of the country . and bridget says of the country. and bridget says the labour is supported by unions. it's not beyond belief that the top union leaders have decided to take us back to the seventies and three day week. that was for small business. it would be one way to bring down the conservatives and get labour in. blair was responsible for many bad changes to the nhs , many bad changes to the nhs, dentists and education thank you brigitte. keep those emails coming. mark@gbnews.uk rishi sunakis coming. mark@gbnews.uk rishi sunak is under pressure to block nicola sturgeon's new self id law under the bill passed by holyrood in december applicants would simply have to live their new gender for three months. in other words, decide i am a man or a woman for three months. it would also reduce the minimum age to 69, but it still needs the royal assent to become law and mr. sunak's government has until next week to decide whether to allow that to happen . writing in the sun newspaper

this columnist and apprentice star karren brady . if the star karren brady. if the whitehall lawyers examining the bill decide, it undermines uk law protecting women's , then law protecting women's, then surely the only option to veto it. the problem is , bill is so it. the problem is, bill is so ambiguous that trying to solve one problem, the very important issue of making trans women feel it's the same time creating another, which is leave other women feeling , they are women feeling, they are potentially at risk . worried potentially at risk. worried about using public changing rooms , public toilets, locker rooms, public toilets, locker rooms, public toilets, locker rooms gym changing rooms because of fears some evil men may try to exploit this bill as. of fears some evil men may try to exploit this bill as . an to exploit this bill as. an opportunity to prey on women . opportunity to prey on women. plus, of course, there is the issue of biological men identifying female entering women's prisons . what about men women's prisons. what about men participating in women's sport or the axing female award categories ? events like the categories? events like the brits? so is it time for sunak to make a stand against so—called gender, which seems to

have taken a grip of scottish politics? to discuss this, i'm to welcome someone who has taken a very principled and brave stand on this issue . the labour stand on this issue. the labour mp , canterbury rosie duffield . mp, canterbury rosie duffield. rosie, thank you so much for joining us. great to have you on the programme. what do you think rishi sunak should do? because we're on the edge here of a constitutional crisis . we. yeah constitutional crisis. we. yeah i mean, i'm really hoping a lot of my colleagues be hoping to that he does invoke section 35. we're not sure exactly what that will look like yet, but it should be. i think he's got to stay to decide what he and jack, the scottish secretary, can that ihope the scottish secretary, can that i hope that they will. yes, indeed. i hope that they will. yes, indeed . we have to hope so. indeed. we have to hope so. walter, because you've given this issue lot of careful thought. rosie duffield, what are the real implications for women in scotland in the light, this new law? i think you mentioned quite a lot of them, mark. actually, it's access to women single sex services and

spaces, which is the main concern for most women. the bill itself worth noting doesn't mention the world word trans at all. it just mentions self id . all. it just mentions self id. so essentially anyone can self—identify as any sex they want to. so doesn't mention, you know, if you're suffering as a trans person, if your lives have been blighted because you haven't been able to get a gender recognition certificate after living a trans person, after living as a trans person, it just opens the door. anybody who wants self—identify as the sex. and that leaves many problems like that. quote from karren brady said , you know, karren brady said, you know, people can just access , they people can just access, they want to access. and that be right. isn't law in place to protect a very vulnerable proportion of the population ? is proportion of the population? is trans people who are some of the most prejudged and abused citizens we have ? absolutely. citizens we have? absolutely. i'm sure that that is the entire thinking behind this law. i thinking behind this law. i think it was done with really

good intentions and to protect, as you said, a really small and really vulnerable category people. but in doing, really vulnerable category people. but in doing , it's a bit people. but in doing, it's a bit like a giant fishing that it's going to catch. so other people in. it's a sledgehammer to crack a nut , i'm in. it's a sledgehammer to crack a nut, i'm afraid. and it does leave . i know women who did leave. i know women who did a brilliant strike that they've pinned to my twitter feed, which is her personal care. she's paralysed from the chest downwards and is really terrified that she'll lose the opportunity to ask for care by a woman, a biological woman, single sex care. and she needs intimate care every single day. so those are the real world implications of a bill that looks on the surface, as though it is protecting that small but vulnerable group of people. you've taken a very principled stand standing up, of course, for the rights of biological. you've paid a high political and personal price. can you me a sense of what you've been

through ? it's very easy in through? it's very easy in privileged position to sort of complain about the encounter because of course, i can't be cancelled apart from by the electorate. but there are things that i'm not included in or ianed that i'm not included in or invited to any longer because particularly of societies within the labour party and groups that , you know, labour students and things have decided that i am a terrible, awful person and that my views are obscene, that they want to cancel me, that they would like me drummed of the party, they'd like me to lose the and happens most the whip and it happens most days. it's not always days. it's not it's not always fun . it's perverse to me . fun. and it's perverse to me. it's clear that all calling for is female only spaces, which is something that women have spent decades , if not centuries, decades, if not centuries, fighting for. yeah. i mean, all they want is what we fought for, like you said, and what we want protected, which is in the equalities act, the access to those spaces that we really and i'm talking about rape centres,

prisons and hospital wards and single sex health care. so it's, it's nothing massively controversial and changing rooms, you know, all of the things that we should take for granted and when you talk about things like sports people understand i'm not being bigot i just want women to be and be on their own with biological females. i mean, that's that's it's really. yes. i mean, i'm not that there's a full understanding across all of society about what's play here, because there's a difference there between supporting somebody that feels they're in the wrong respecting how they wish to identify , loving them wish to identify, loving them and making sure they have all of their human rights versus something called gender, ideology which is something quite different. can you give us a sense of what the differences between you know, a tolerance and acceptance and gender ideology . yeah i think you know ideology. yeah i think you know everybody i know all the women's activists. i know the famous people like julie benz or the

writerjoe rolling, all the writer joe rolling, all the people that sort of regularly trolled like me . we all want trolled like me. we all want those people to safe and okay and you know if they know what they're doing as an adult who really wants to transition that play really wants to transition that play you know let them do that when they know what they're doing. but 16 year olds, that's just ridiculous, frankly. and you mentioned that this morning. and this this ideology incorporate that kind of it seems there's quite a lot of that, particularly a lot of my gay friends, a lot of gay activists who've been involved in this, these rights for such a long time feel people are pressured into being something that actually not sure they are yet or , you know, they may be yet or, you know, they may be gay, they may need to change sex. they might just be gay and expressing in their own way that should be okay. you know, why do you have to necessarily go down a path you're labelled, but you know that's not for me to say. i'm not a trans person. i haven't lived like that. my kind of area of expertise, if you like, is women's rights. a brief

word, rosie? i know you want a labour government. you are a labour government. you are a labour mp, but some. what's your appraisal of keir starmer's stance this ? i think he came stance on this? i think he came somewhere towards where am this morning. it was good to hear him that he thought it was wrong for 16 year olds to be able to make this decision. and i think it's worth saying what this involves potentially life and potentially living your life and changing certificate, changing your birth certificate, possibly surgery that is possibly having surgery that is completely irreversible as a group of people who detransition is who are warning people , you is who are warning people, you know, they may not be ready as 60. it's huge changing decision . i think if he understands that a really good step in my direction and i think it's just about keeping that dialogue going and him and all the people on his side of the party understanding what's at stake here . rosie duffield , a deep here. rosie duffield, a deep privilege to have you on the program i look forward to our next time and. councillor, of course, rosie duffield, the labour mp for canterbury . coming

labour mp for canterbury. coming up it might take a ten my first on air reaction to the comments of andrew bridgen in relation to the covid 19 virus and that . 17.

it's 10:00 it's10:00 and this is mark dolan tonight it might take it ten as mp andrew bridgen loses the tory whip, is he right to flag up concerns about the vaccine? my verdict ? on one of vaccine? my verdict? on one of the big political stories of week? my mar means guest is one of the most powerful figures in british politics. it's the leader of , the dup, sir jeffrey leader of, the dup, sir jeffrey donaldson . plus tomorrow's donaldson. plus tomorrow's papers at exactly 1030 with full panel reaction . lots to get panel reaction. lots to get through, including take it ten. and my thoughts on the vaccine. is it safe . first the headlines

is it safe. first the headlines with bethany elsey . mark thank with bethany elsey. mark thank you i'm bethany elsey with . your you i'm bethany elsey with. your top stories from the gb newsroom. police are still searching the gunman behind yesterday's suspect a drive by shooting in central london. a seven year old girl remains in a critical after being shot outside church near euston station for women. and a second child aged 12 were also taken to hospital with one of them suffering, life changing injuries. police say shots fired from a moving black toyota as mourners left a funeral service . at least 68 people have been killed in a plane near nepal. the country's aviation disaster in three decades. 72 people were on board the yeti airlines flight that crashed in pokhara dunng flight that crashed in pokhara during clear skies. flight that crashed in pokhara during clear skies . those flight that crashed in pokhara during clear skies. those on board included passengers from india, ireland, austria and

france. all but four of the bodies have been recovered . the bodies have been recovered. the search operation has been until tomorrow morning . the labour tomorrow morning. the labour leader says the nhs must or enter a period of managed decline. writing in the sunday telegraph, sir keir starmer said a labour government would make gp direct nhs employees rather than allowing to run their own practises he also spoke of getting rid bureaucratic nonsense , allow patients to nonsense, allow patients to bypass and self—refer to specialists . the man has been specialists. the man has been arrested under terrorism laws after traces of uranium were found in a package at heathrow airport . border force officers airport. border force officers detect the radioactive material in, a shipment of scrap metal towards the end of december . the towards the end of december. the met police have confirmed there was no evidence the package a direct threat to the public . the direct threat to the public. the man has been released on bail april . at least 30 people have

april. at least 30 people have been killed and 30 more are being treated in hospital after a russian missile hit an apartment building in central. rescue efforts are continuing with officials saying . a further with officials saying. a further 40 people could still be trapped under the rubble. yesterday russia launched a major missile attack on ukraine striking a vital energy facilities across the country . and back snow and the country. and back snow and ice is expected across much of the uk with temperatures set to drop below zero in most places . drop below zero in most places. overnight, the met office has issued several yellow weather warnings for ice in scotland, wales , the north of england. wales, the north of england. it's also warning motorists of difficult driving tonight as heavy snow falls in parts of the country. the environment agency has also issued 180 flotilla acts this afternoon . you're up acts this afternoon. you're up to on tv, online and dab plus radio. this is gb news. now it's back to .

back to. mark bad weather news. time to those wellies out. my thanks to bethany elsie. we'll see you at 11. this is mark dolan's in might take it ten as mp andrew bridgen loses the tory whip is he to flag up concerns about the vaccine. my verdict on one of the big political stories of the week. my guest is one of the most powerful figures in british is the leader of the dup sir jeffrey donaldson . can we get to jeffrey donaldson. can we get to the bottom of that northern ireland protocol can we fix it? can we get government in northern ireland and can we make a success of brexit plus more papers that exactly 1030 sharp with full panel reaction reacting to the big stories of the day journalist and broadcaster nina minkoff, historian and political commentator david aldridge bowles and author and broadcaster emma wolf. so to bowles and author and broadcaster emma wolf . so to get

broadcaster emma wolf. so to get through really busy hour including those papers at 1030 but first i might take it. ten the mp andrew bridgen has lost the tory whip after , sharing a the tory whip after, sharing a quote that compares covid 19 vaccine rollout to the holocaust . this was the wrong thing . do . this was the wrong thing. do even though the quote came from an israeli academic , so to call an israeli academic, so to call it antisemitic is stretch comparing anything to one of the worst crimes in human history is never appropriate and potentially hugely so. britain has rightly apologised . however, has rightly apologised. however, i don't think he should apologise for. drawing attention to vaccine injuries , vaccine to vaccine injuries, vaccine side effects . and tragic death side effects. and tragic death which we can only hope a rare who knows the data is coming in. now i'm no anti—vaxxer. i'm triple jabbed and the government and the health authorities are

crystal clear that the vaccine is safe and effective and a recent report has suggested it has saved at least 3 million lives. it's arguably the most tested vaccine in history given the billions who have received it. however serious , adverse it. however serious, adverse events are a fact , not a events are a fact, not a conspiracy . some scientists . conspiracy. some scientists. suggest as many as one in 800 experience adverse events. if that's true , not a good ratio that's true, not a good ratio for a predominant mild disease with a very low infection fatal high rates. and then of course, there are vaccine deaths . like there are vaccine deaths. like there are vaccine deaths. like the former bbc presenter lisa shaw , pictured here with her shaw, pictured here with her husband gareth . lisa, a four husband gareth. lisa, a four year old mother of one. she died three weeks after receiving the astrazeneca vaccine . and the jab astrazeneca vaccine. and the jab is confirmed . the cause on her is confirmed. the cause on her death certificate . gareth is

death certificate. gareth is still trying to get establishment media to tell story . well, gareth has an open story. well, gareth has an open invitation to appear on my show whenever he feels ready. here's the problem with vaccine injuries . death, even if rare . injuries. death, even if rare. all too often they're being suffered by people like lisa shaw who were not in the at risk group in relation the virus. so statistically they took a vaccine that they didn't need and it hurt them or it killed . and it hurt them or it killed. how does that make sense given fact that these vaccines were never tested for transmission? in other words, that the vaccine would stop you spreading covid? and now we know that they don't stop it. there was never a moral, intellectual or scientific case for authoritarian vaccine mandates, for which many in the sector, for which many in the sector, for example, lost their jobs. why do think the care homes are now so horribly understaffed? well everyone . and why did we

well everyone. and why did we vaccinate healthy people, given the fact that if were jabbed, they could still covid and given they could still covid and given the fact that they faced a vanishing threat from the virus itself ? all of the risk. none of itself? all of the risk. none of the reward. now, my mother was a nurse, and the one thing that she taught me apart from looking after yourself, getting off sleep, exercise, have a good diet , is that sleep, exercise, have a good diet, is that you don't take her medicine if you don't need it. for example, why have we been dropping kids. why particularly when the job by the government's own vaccines body advised against but were overruled by the government and chris whitty all the cvi conspiracy theorist anti—vax is to in my view the pandemic was moment when the health authorities , the shark health authorities, the shark and lost the plot pressurise panicking and guilt tripping the entire population to the jab without clear that it would save granny getting to take the

vaccine even if it did stop covid trans mission would still be hard to justify why should be human shields for the older population . that's never population. that's never happened before in human history. but given the fact that it didn't stop , transmission it didn't stop, transmission makes the mass covid vaccination rollout look potentially like a diabolical misjudgement . to add diabolical misjudgement. to add to the scrap heap of . like those to the scrap heap of. like those flimsy face masks , lockdowns flimsy face masks, lockdowns arrows in sukma kits, plastic screens in shops , and the screens in shops, and the endless, ridiculous , sanitising endless, ridiculous, sanitising . let's hope injuries are as rare as the authorities say they are . it's my view that the are. it's my view that the vaccines have likely saved lives, particularly among the clinically vulnerable upon whom the rollout should have been focussed in the first place. just as we should only have locked down the vulnerable for two and a half years as recommended by the great

barrington declaration , made up barrington declaration, made up of respected medics , of respected medics, epidemiologists who wanted focussed protection for those at risk. andrew bridgen was wrong to share a quote which referenced the second world war and the horrors of the holocaust, but right to spark a conversation about the pros and cons of mass an issue i raised on twitter over two years ago. that's right over two years ago. take a look . that's right over two years ago. take a look. in that's right over two years ago. take a look . in december 20, 21, take a look. in december 20, 21, i tweeted, stop testing healthy people , stop vaccinating healthy people, stop vaccinating healthy people, stop vaccinating healthy people, stop vaccinating healthy people, stop healthy people . who people, stop healthy people. who knows if i was right or wrong, but i'd say that tweet has aged well . unlike the case for well. unlike the case for jabbing . all and sundry , i jabbing. all and sundry, i suspect. a day of reckoning coming on this one. popcorn .

coming on this one. popcorn. now, i'd like to confirm the government advice, which is very clear the coronavirus vaccines safe and effective. they give you the best against covid 19. anyone who covid 19 can become seriously ill or have long term effects . the covid 19 vaccines effects. the covid 19 vaccines are the best way to protect yourself and. what's your view? market giving dot uk. i'll get to your very shortly but react things might take a turn on panel of broadcaster and journalist nina mish political commentator and historian david oldroyd bolt and author and presenter emma wolf. nina, your thoughts on? this story on what andrew bridgen had to say. it's time for a conversation about why we vaccinated everyone isn't it. well frankly mark the reason that we are able have a you know a normal now is because of the vaccine . it really is. i know i vaccine. it really is. i know i when the vaccine was first mooted, i was not the first one

to jump out with my arm outstretched. you know, i said, you know, how how long has it been tested for. i've worked hard at my health. i get up and go the gym, whatever. i've go to the gym, whatever. i've done that religiously. deny done that religiously. i deny myself so i try and myself ice cream. so i try and keep myself as healthy possible. and i wasn't going throw that away on something that i was dubious about. but i realised that there's a risk in everything and. i was prepared to take that risk. and so the majority of people. now, the thing it's unfortunate and thing is, it's unfortunate and it and it's tragic and it's , you it and it's tragic and it's, you know, my heart goes out to , know, my heart goes out to, gareth. mean, the awful , gareth. i mean, the awful, absolutely awful. but the thing is, with any medical procedure , is, with any medical procedure, any vaccine there a risk and people react in a different . i people react in a different. i mean, some people are allergic to penicillin , penicillin, to penicillin, penicillin, penicillin. indeed so we don't know what's going to happen . know what's going to happen. now, the thing is , when you look now, the thing is, when you look at the greater picture you know, the overall alarming majority of

people who were helped by the by the vaccine . we have a huge the vaccine. we have a huge death toll , but it would have death toll, but it would have been bigger without that. there have been and the connection between the vaccine and, for instance, heart problems or blood clots has is now being investigated. and i'm quite rightly but as far as i and stand it, the figures are this in that 15 out of every million people who the vaccine are potential or have died because of it . and i think it's with us of it. and i think it's with us with pfizer and with astrazeneca it's 11 and then there are 59, as i understand , deaths recorded as i understand, deaths recorded . what each of those 59 deaths is to be is to be mourned and their tragedies. is to be is to be mourned and theirtragedies. but is to be is to be mourned and their tragedies. but when you consider what the vaccine has done for the rest of us, then what can we you know, we have to have it. there's a study in denmark, by the way, of million

people and they could find absolutely no connection between the vaccine and, blood clots or heart problems . okay. the heart problems. okay. the clock's against us . david clock's against us. david oldroyd bolter, your view. because i haven't found a convincing argument yet as to why we vaccinate that healthy people given the fact that the vaccine didn't stop transmission and that if you are healthy you were extraordinarily to die of covid. well that's the point. and yes, people have reactions to penicillin , but they're not to penicillin, but they're not pressured by of government and state and propaganda to penicillin in order to go about their daily lives. i think important to note that what andrew bridgen , the comparison andrew bridgen, the comparison he drew with the holocaust was crass, idiotic, inept and had absolutely no bearing on the matter. and it's right that he's born for it. i think that he's right. is, as ever as every one of us has a right to point out where we think there may be things that are not being paid attention to by the scientific establishment for whatever reason, there is

reason, as to whether there is any in that or not. any validity in that or not. i shall leave to better inform minds , but it comes back again minds, but it comes back again and, again and again to the point that there was no validity whatsoever in the government pressuring young people people who are not at risk, people who neven who are not at risk, people who never, ever statistic statistically at risk from 19 to take these jabs in order to go about their daily lives, to travel to holiday and, to just be allowed to get on with the with existences. and i think the fact that still there is no real conversation in parliament about this still there is no focus in the wider media. this shows quite how willing been as a nafion quite how willing been as a nation to sweep under the carpet . the more unpalatable, the more dictatorial , . the more unpalatable, the more dictatorial, and . the more unpalatable, the more dictatorial , and the more dictatorial, and the more authoritarian of covid measures . emma wolf the plots against us, my mark meats guest is ready , but there's talk in certain countries vaccinating babies . countries vaccinating babies. for goodness sakes , where does for goodness sakes, where does he send a brief one line reaction from you to what's been said? no just going to refer

everybody back back to tweet of december 20, 21. yeah, yeah. to two and a bit years ago. yeah for one small you were upsetting one spot on them you absolutely if i remember it then i remember it and it's brilliant summary as david has just said, it was not necessary. healthy people can cope with covid and i don't think the death toll yet . and we think the death toll yet. and we know the true figures of the death toll because deaths were recorded in a strange way that we need to for the outcome we need to wait for the outcome to the investigation if that is thorough. main thing thorough. but my main thing is, yeah, not need to yeah, we did not need to vaccinate healthy people. and if you have to remember back in you you have to remember back in that you were saying, that time if you were saying, no, i don't to be no, i don't want to be vaccinated. it was an absolute outcry seen an outcry you were seen as an anti—vaxxer. too. right. anti—vaxxer. yeah, too. right. well, nina agree well, look, nina doesn't agree and is all about. and this programme is all about. so get your thoughts , so we'll get to your thoughts, the my panel on this the thoughts of my panel on this later in programme, of later in the programme, of course, the papers at course, we've got the papers at 1030 panel back 1030 sharp, my panel are back for that well. but next up, for that as well. but next up, it's my meets guest, one of it's my mark meets guest, one of the most important figures in british leader of

british politics. the leader of the jeffrey donaldson . the dup sir jeffrey donaldson. can they sort out that northern ireland protocol? can they make brexit a success? don't go anywhere .

well, a big to my take at ten i think that andrew the mp was right to apologise linking the covid 19 vaccine rollout to the holocaust. however he doesn't have to apologise for raising the issue of vaccine side effects because are real. it's not a conspiracy theory. let's hope they are rare , as the hope they are rare, as the authorities tell us, just a two word email from lorna and response to my take it ten. denmark thank you. well, look, there you. opinions are very divided on this issue. but as far i'm concerned, it all boils to down human choice. freedom of choice, which should have been the approach throughout the pandemic. it's time now this .

pandemic. it's time now this. yes, it's time for. mark meats, in which i speak to the biggest names in the world of politics, sport showbiz and beyond. tonight one of the most important figures in british politics, the leader of the democrat unionist party in northern sir jeffrey donaldson democrat unionist party in northern sirjeffrey donaldson . northern sir jeffrey donaldson. sir jeffrey, welcome to the program. my first night of the evening . thank you. evening, evening. thank you. evening, mark. that must have a wonderful moment in your and your career when . you were a nobles . who did when. you were a nobles. who did you receive your knighthood from? sir jeffrey . it was prince from? sir jeffrey. it was prince who was . the ceremony that day. who was. the ceremony that day. and buckingham palace on 11th of november, which was quite fitting. yes you got in early with the future . your memories with the future. your memories of that day . big moment for the of that day. big moment for the family . a big moment, i suppose, family. a big moment, i suppose, for the country as well. your

country, northern? well, i kind of great honour and indeed . my of great honour and indeed. my constituents who i have served over 25 years. i feel it's a recognition for them and for the people of northern ireland. we've come through some very difficult here and fought hard to remain part of the united kingdom and of course i saw not just as something that was personal to, but a recognition the unionist movement in northern ireland and our efforts to maintain and the integrity of the united kingdom . yeah. why is the united kingdom. yeah. why is the united kingdom. yeah. why is the union? the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland so important to you, sir jeffrey . well, i was born jeffrey. well, i was born a british citizen. northern ireland is an integral part of the united kingdom, and i have no desire to give up my british citizenship, my british way of life . i regard much very proud life. i regard much very proud of being from northern ireland,

northern, but very firmly and, strongly british as . and love. strongly british as. and love. standing alongside my colleagues from england scotland and wales. i part of a wider family of nafions i part of a wider family of nations within united kingdom . nations within united kingdom. i'm proud of the contribution that northern ireland made to the united kingdom over many centuries . the union that centuries. the union that northern is part of is well over 200 years old. northern ireland itself is over 100 years old since . the republic of what is since. the republic of what is known as the republic of ireland left united kingdom and i have no desire to give up those that have formed part of what i am and the people that i represent are for many , you tragically are for many, you tragically lost relatives who will serving in the royal ulster constabulary. i believe in the early and in the eighties. i'm

sorry for your loss . how did sorry for your loss. how did that shape your politics? well like many people in northern ireland growing during the troubles, mark the violence of northern ireland impacted on the community that we lived in and that was case for me and for my family. not only did i lose members of my wider circle, but comrades i served with in the ulster regiment as well, a part of british army in northern ireland and indeed friends that ireland and indeed friends that i had gone to school with , very i had gone to school with, very tragically lost their lives dunng tragically lost their lives during the troubles , so that during the troubles, so that their troubles impacted on many people. i'm no more impacted than tens of thousands of my fellow northern citizens and none of us wants to go back to those dark days . you know, i got those dark days. you know, i got involved politics because i wanted to change things for the

better . i wanted to change things for the better. i recognised wanted to change things for the better . i recognised that in better. i recognised that in end, violence is not answer when you're dealing with divisions in a society like northern ireland and the polity has to be the way that resolve our differences . that resolve our differences. that's why i've worked tirelessly, as have others over many decades , to build a peace many decades, to build a peace process in northern ireland, to create political institutions that could have the confidence of everyone in northern ireland, because that's the basis upon which we build political stability here. given the history of the ira, sir jeffrey difficult on a personal level , you jeffrey difficult on a personal level, you find it jeffrey difficult on a personal level , you find it working with level, you find it working with sinn fein political colleagues . sinn fein political colleagues. well, obviously it has been very difficult . it is especially difficult. it is especially difficult. it is especially difficult , mark, when you hear difficult, mark, when you hear sinn fein leaders justifying what the ira did on a degree recently we had michelle o'neill

, who is not the first minister designate of northern ireland, saying that there was no alternative to ira violence. and of course that is something i entirely i believe there was always an alternative to violence , politics and dialogue violence, politics and dialogue is the way to resolve our and not violence, not needless slaughter of people. so it is difficult. mark, i won't pretend that it difficult. mark, i won't pretend thatitis difficult. mark, i won't pretend that it is anything other than this. when you have a political party in, northern ireland, that still believes the violence of the ira was justified . and yet the ira was justified. and yet i'm looking the future and i want the northern that continues to be at peace with where we continue , build stability and. continue, build stability and. of course, we create prosperous for the people of northern, give the next generation the hope that they need. so my focus is making sure none of us forgets past mark our good. we live through some terrible dark

years. but we're looking to the future and i'm looking to the future and i'm looking to the future in northern ireland. i, i want to build on the progress that's been made, but i suspect we're going to come to talk about that progress is now being hampered. it is being put in question by the northern by the imposition of the northern ireland protocol , which is upset ireland protocol, which is upset deeply upset. the delicate political balance northern ireland and has made it impossible to continue with cross—party cross—community policy because we don't have a cross consensus in northern ireland unionists. there isn't a single mla or mp. a question , single mla or mp. a question, minister, that supports the northern protocol. it does not enjoy cross support and that's the only basis upon which we can build stability in northern ireland. and that's why the protocol has got to be addressed

. well, yes, it strikes that it goes against the terms and the spirit. the good friday agreement, which was hard. one agreement, which was hard. one agreement, a hard one peace deal agreement, a hard one peace deal. you mentioned in northern ireland. i've got so many viewers in northern ireland. they'll be this avidly tonight and northern ireland can't prosper if there isn't an administration in stormont. you won't that whilst the northern ireland protocol is in place , ireland protocol is in place, what is the protocol for those that don't know? well, it's an invisible border down the irish sea. it splits our country a horrible, unworkable compromise imposed upon us by the eu what is the solution ? because i know is the solution? because i know you'd like to see it removed altogether, but is it no more pull it, not more politically practical to fix the protocol rather than ditches ? well, first rather than ditches? well, first of all, mark, let me say the border in the irish sea , far border in the irish sea, far from invisible . we have a from invisible. we have a so—called border control post at

the ports in northern ireland. the government now proposing to expand those border control posts . it's not invisible. it's posts. it's not invisible. it's there under it. and i'm afraid it's not just absence of an executive that inhibiting our ability to build prosperity. it is the presence of the protocol itself. great britain is our biggest . we sell far more goods biggest. we sell far more goods to great britain than anywhere indeed than all the other countries in the world combined . and we are part of the uk internal market. and what want to see is a solution that restores northern ireland's place within the united kingdom market. let me explain this more. how important is for unionists ? the united kingdom is . more. how important is for unionists ? the united kingdom is. un unionists? the united kingdom is. un heard reference to the union. but it is not just a political union. it is also an economic union. it is also an economic union. and the act of union itself, which is a very

we are supposed to be a free trade nation. and yet here i am in northern ireland, representing many people who can trade freely within their own country. never mind freely with other people . and so this is other people. and so this is fundamentally important. the protocol inhibits our ability to trade within the united kingdom. and that has to be sorted out . and that has to be sorted out. the protocol doesn't offer the solution. it is the problem . solution. it is the problem. indeed.so solution. it is the problem. indeed. so and i've been on record on this network as saying that it risks restarting the troubles if it hasn't already. and no one wants that outcome.

sir jeffrey, i need to get to sirjeffrey, i need to get to the papers, but briefly, if you can. how do you see this issue with the northern ireland protocol playing out? do you think it will go your way? well, if the government has committed to resolving this issue and what we have done as a party, very briefly, marcus, that seven tests by which we will judge the outcome of any negotiations with the eu or indeed legislation thatis the eu or indeed legislation that is brought forward in parliament. those seven tests are based exclusively on the commitments the uk government itself has given to the people of northern ireland in recent times about what they intend to do to resolve the protocol . so do to resolve the protocol. so i'm simply saying to the government , deliver what you government, deliver what you promised and that means restoring , respecting and restoring, respecting and protecting northern ireland's place within the united kingdom internal market. whilst putting internal market. whilst putting in place practical arrange means to ensure that goods moving into the eu single market make eu

standards in resolve . this issue standards in resolve. this issue for the people of northern ireland. i wish you well, sir jeffrey donaldson, thank you so much for your time . thank you . much for your time. thank you. fascinating conversation . your fascinating conversation. your reaction, please. mark at gb news dot uk. we've got tomorrow's papers .

next okay folks , it's time for the okay folks, it's time for the papers. let's start with . the papers. let's start with. the yes, indeed. we've got the express newspaper and they lead with the following countryside under siege in rush for homes. villages are under assault from developers building large housing estates on rural land. campaigners have warned more than 400,000 homes have planning

permission pencilled in on greenfield sites. the daily mirror boost for james bolger mum new hope killer will not go free. the guardian fury over pm's bid to hand police sweeping powers to halt protests , powers to halt protests, attempts to crack down on disruption before it begins is condemned . also new help to join condemned. also new help to join trials for cancer treatments. cancer patients will have greater access to clinical trials of personalised therapies. ultra funding boost for a specialised medical centre designed to make new treatments available as soon as possible. also what a shocking story. a devastating tragedy, disaster in nepal . plane crash leaves dozens nepal. plane crash leaves dozens dead. nepal. plane crash leaves dozens dead . at least 68 people were dead. at least 68 people were killed when a plane crashed on landing in the nepal, nepal city of pokhara , one of the country's of pokhara, one of the country's main tourist areas. the plane fell down a gorge hampering rescue efforts. a true tragedy. the metro . senseless violence .

the metro. senseless violence. police condemn drive by gunman maniacs. rampage at funeral. zahawi pays millions to settle tax case . tory party chair an ex tax case. tory party chair an ex chancellor has resolved an hmrc investigation in first revealed by the independent return of onune by the independent return of online lessons to tackle teachers strike. heads planned covid style classes to stop pupils falling behind. i know how you stop . pupils falling how you stop. pupils falling behind. don't go on strike in the first place. that is the topic of my big opinion monologue, which paige in our digital team has crafted into a video which you can see on twitter at gb news. the ai pupils face online lessons as teachers plan strike the times two in three voters think nhs offers bad service and light at the end of the tunnel for rail strikes. hopes of a breakthrough in the rail dispute are growing after the transport secretary gave permission for a fresh pay offer to be made. mark harper struck an optimistic tone as he confirmed that rail bosses were working with a revised mandate

in an attempt to prevent future strikes. we can but hope the financial times sunak to block scottish transgender bill in constitutional nuclear option and the daily star. last but not least , of course, it's and the daily star. last but not least, of course, it's all gone to hell. deal with the devil. surge in youngsters. turning to satanism . youngsters are satanism. youngsters are increasingly ditching religion and turning to satan worship according to top boffins. well, they are going to burn in hell. and those are your front pages . and those are your front pages. let's get reaction now from nina of david oldroyd bolt and emma wolfe , my esteemed panel, wolfe, my esteemed panel, historians, journalists, broadcast is what a potpourri of broadcasting excellence will look. let's talk about this story in the express. it caught my eye emma countryside under siege in rush four homes , siege in rush four homes, 400,000 planning applications . 400,000 planning applications. it's being characterised as a bad news story, except that we

need houses. we do need houses. but do we need houses in city centres ? do we need. where do centres? do we need. where do people need the house? everywhere, i would say everywhere. any which way it? everywhere. any which way is it? is any to dump down is it any good to dump down these huge developments down in these huge developments down in the middle of on greenfield sites? i'm not too i'm just not clear where the housing shortage is. don't have any is. all but you don't have any space where are going to space where are you going to build central london? mean, build in central london? i mean, on of other buildings and on top of other buildings and you can't go, but you can't just put people the middle of put people in the middle of nowhere. they services. nowhere. they need bus services. train jobs and train services and jobs and schools and health centres and all that. but that should all all of that. but that should all all of that. but that should all structured into a all be structured into into a into into a building into a building into a building project such that should all that should part of it. but that should be part of it. but if you've you you've if you've got you know, you've got out where are you got to find out where are you going build houses? going to build these houses? it's be in a space. what it's got to be in a space. what it could be that will use the masses of brownfield sites that are many of the urban are left in many of the urban centres. even here's centres. we could even here's a radical idea. let's knock down some those absolutely some of those absolutely horrible seventies some of those absolutely horrib blocks seventies some of those absolutely horrib blocks and seventies some of those absolutely horrib blocks and put�*venties some of those absolutely horrib blocks and put back as some of those absolutely horrib blocks and put back the tower blocks and put back the terraces that were there before that greater per

that provide greater density per square to people like to square foot to people like to live make them happier live in them, make them happier to in build to live in and build communities. and at communities. and of course, at this living where do this time we're living where do they many, many, many they go out? many, many, many offices completely empty offices are now completely empty with people working from home. offices are now completely empty witthey)ple working from home. offices are now completely empty witthey waste orking from home. offices are now completely empty witthey waste actuallyom home. offices are now completely empty witthey waste actually a] home. offices are now completely empty witthey waste actually a lot>me. offices are now completely empty witthey waste actually a lot ofa. so they waste actually a lot of space cities, but not space in cities, but not 400,000, also, well , hear 400,000, but also, well, hear about and it sounds about greenfield and it sounds like these wonderful meadows . like these wonderful meadows. but heidi, up the hill but heidi, running up the hill with her a bucket of with her cow and a bucket of milk, it's such thing. a very milk, it's no such thing. a very often greenfield is just, you know, land. yeah actually, know, bog land. yeah actually, that's mean. it's the that's what i mean. it's the middle can't just middle of nowhere. it can't just be , but you can't need to be be, but you can't need to be protected. doesn't know, but you can't dump people can't just dump people down. then talking then you're talking about planning you're planning new towns. you're actually about more, actually talking about more, which should doing. look, which we should be doing. look, we've an increasing we've got an increasing population only through population and not only through demographic but through demographic change, but through immigration. if this is going to continue , which seems like continue, which it seems like it's do, because the it's going to do, because the government have government doesn't have the balls do anything it, balls to do anything about it, then we're to need more then we're going to need more space going need to space and we're going to need to plan urban centres. we're going to to expand the provision to need to expand the provision of perhaps reverse to need to expand the provision of of perhaps reverse to need to expand the provision of of [beeching verse to need to expand the provision of of [beeching cutse to need to expand the provision of of [beeching cuts of some of the beeching cuts of 1962, or the great idea and, you

know, maybe could know, maybe, maybe this could be a when start to look a time when we start to look forward a nation once again, forward as a nation once again, as in the fifties, as we did in the fifties, instead of knee jerk reaction to everything but always late everything but always too late with don't even run. with the trains, don't even run. you talking about you guys are talking about building towns. we don't. we building new towns. we don't. we barely a functioning health barely have a functioning health system. people are dying and we've 13 year hospital we've had a 13 year hospital corridor rule, i think 25 to arrange a birthday party. the issue i got with the lack of housing is it's a practical issue. people, you know, in many ways are effectively homeless now, just sort of being shunted along from a short term accommodation to short term accommodation. sometimes families housed in b&bs, not just illegal migrants, by the way, but we've got the issue of young people . a recent report young people. a recent report suggested over half of young people, that's those under 20 don't anticipo rate ever being on the housing ladder. now i think that's a problem for our economy and our society , because economy and our society, because if the next generation don't have a stake in the economy, they engage with the they may not engage with the principles market capitalism principles of market capitalism .then principles of market capitalism . then you've got the prospect

of a corbyn type populist from the far left who say, look, none of this works for you, let's have different system. yeah, have a different system. yeah, well, doesn't that i think well, it doesn't that i think it's depressing to not it's extremely depressing to not be to look forward to be able to look forward to a time when you can own your, you know, more that, know, really more than that, it's to be an aspiration. it's got to be an aspiration. it's got to be feelings. you feeling to buy your first place. you know, whether small you know, whether it's the small flat whether it's a great flat or whether it's a great big stonking but to be able stonking house. but to be able to took to be in control. to be took to be in control. yeah. my point is that if young people don't even think they've got a chance of getting on the housing ladder, they'll just think capital? think why bother with capital? what's wider what's more, it's wider than that, you can't expect that, isn't it? you can't expect to capitalists they to breed capitalists if they cannot capital. i don't cannot access capital. i don't think is a question think this is a question of housing. it's about people not having sufficient income having sufficient spare income because so much having sufficient spare income be

already have vast wealth in assets and on the other who already private health care already have private health care and that and and other things like that and who the chance over the who have had the chance over the past, years to build up past, say, 40 years to build up massive wealth across the asset class. so people below them are being held in place, held not being held in place, held in not quite poverty, course, but quite poverty, of course, but they're back they're being held back from expanding their wealth a way expanding their wealth in a way that actually make them that would actually make them think, you know what, this capitalism does for capitalism lock does work for me. you can't do that me. well, you can't do that without a housing market. no. but hand, the but on the other hand, the thought breeding capitalists thought of breeding capitalists is repugnant thing is the most repugnant thing i know. pretty repugnant. know. it is pretty repugnant. makes curl, leave makes my toes curl, but leave that thing is, we are that aside. the thing is, we are obsessed with bricks and mortar in this. in place. we are in this. in this place. we are obsessed with bricks and mortar in this country. obsessed with bricks and mortar in this country . and if you look in this country. and if you look at europe, because they have a recent rental market and a rental market that is organic , rental market that is organic, thatis rental market that is organic, that is trustworthy, we knock covered in mould where you're fighting the landlord. if we had a decent system, but we are absurd. it'sjust a decent system, but we are absurd. it's just impossible to rent anything in paris because you have to go through three different bolt and you have to

sign on for a three year contract and pay a year in advance. that's that's very advance. that's that's a very sweeping generalisation. my situation in situation is not like that in france. well you're saying that is completely that's that's is it's completely that's that's complete . that's idiotic. you do complete. that's idiotic. you do not have to do that. i have a great deal of central paris where it's going to be difficult . i we're not 25 to move. . i said we're not 25 to move. it's very difficult. oh, come on. european style rent controls are the answer. what need are not the answer. what we need . germany, . well, what about germany, then? you. what you then? what do you. what do you know germany? rental know about germany? the rental market there? the rental market? cheapen market there? the rental market? cheaper. but who wants to rent forever? the forever? i'd say it's the british versus the european british way versus the european way. is this way. well, the problem is this is further is going to exacerbate further the divide , because as the social divide, because as older get older with older people get older with their big houses, the rich families will leave. will families will leave. that will leave wealth and their leave the wealth and their houses to their children and other people who will remain poor will be renting for the rest of their lives, totally on security in your rental, then that's not a problem. well, it is a problem. who want in is not a problem. who want in time honoured english fashion british fashion not to be renting right. renting forever? that's right. who buy fashion? tell

who wants to buy fashion? tell me. just you think owning me. not just you think owning your own home is potentially bit overrated. i think it is. but you own your own home. i own my own home. it's not fair. it's not that expect younger not fair that we expect younger people own their own. no, people not to own their own. no, no. but i think we have to we have to be pragmatic about this and there could be a and say there could be a difference let's difference system. and let's look from the saying look at it from the saying you've failed to young you've you've failed to young people. you failed because you can't housing ladder can't get on the housing ladder and not going to and you're not going to have a decent life because you can't get on the housing ladder. some people get the housing people never get on the housing ladder they a perfectly ladder and they have a perfectly decent my solution decent life. well, my solution in three words, build a baby, build. but what's your view? mark@gbnews.uk off the break, i've got the daily mail and the sun from pages plus is modern parenting now too soft? and what's the most ridiculous argument you've had with your partner ? blimey, i could list partner? blimey, i could list a few. see shorter .

welcome back to you , mark dolan welcome back to you, mark dolan tonight. we've been running a very popular twitter poll. a simple question is kenneth clarke right that the conservatives need a break from power? well, here the results , power? well, here the results, 64% say, yes, the tories need a break, 36% say no . let's get break, 36% say no. let's get some more of your front pages now. and let's start with the sun newspaper on a monday. and they have the following. i do like this headline laden with innuendo. harry envied will's sausage king to be got extra brekkie. a princess diana's butler has told how harry was made to feel less important than william as a child by getting fewer sausages at breakfast. paul burrell recalled that a miffed harry would say, how come he gets three? he's got the biggest sausage . surely a more biggest sausage. surely a more important question . how about important question. how about the daily mail? important question. how about the daily mail ? call this important question. how about the daily mail? call this a important question. how about the daily mail ? call this a cure the daily mail? call this a cure for the nhs. sir keir. health experts hit out at labour plan

to let patients refer themselves for treatment without seeing gp first and the health authorities are not happy with that because they think it will encourage doctor google. in other words, people self diagnosing on the internet. good news me . internet. good news for me. media mogul rupert murdoch , media mogul rupert murdoch, rupert murdoch's new company and his country music his widow of country music legend and lesley smith photograph . they're a very photograph. they're a very fragrant young woman are clearly making murdoch a happy man . making mr. murdoch a happy man. lots more stories to get through. this one caught our eye. some call it respectful parenting. others authoritative. but the central idea is that parents should validate children's emotions and look for ways to challenge their behaviour rather than punishing them . yes, this whole idea is them. yes, this whole idea is called gentle parenting . and called gentle parenting. and apparently you've got to be very, very patient with these little babies as they misbehave , because they're just expressing themselves . so it expressing themselves. so it begs the question, are we too soft as parents or should our kids be put on the naughty step? what think about this,

what do you think about this, emma one child, emma wolf? you have one child, a little boy, the little right in the middle of the terrible twos . and yet when they are lying on the floor in the supermarket , as the floor in the supermarket, as he was this afternoon , lying on he was this afternoon, lying on the floor , and you've tried the floor, and you've tried walking away down the aisle and saying, i'm going to i'm going to come down here. you try picking them up and throwing them bodily over shoulder. them bodily over your shoulder. this parenting this whole gentle parenting thing meant to thing is big and you're meant to sit on the floor with them sit down on the floor with them and say, i see you're and you say, i see you're feeling frustrated. can help feeling frustrated. can i help you acknowledge their emotions? you emotionally overreact you don't emotionally overreact , and that's fine when it's, you know first they've done know, first time they've done it, when it's the 73rd time it, but when it's the 73rd time they've done it and it's heavily heavy rain and you just trying to get out of a well, it's a bit of a nightmare, but parenting is all the rage and it's very, very hard to do it . and it's hard to do it. and it's ridiculous. gentle parenting is going to produce if we haven't already a very and very already got one. a very and very narcissistic generation. i'm a big fan of going the other way. the tough love approach. there's

a woman called jane, a 40 minute with her. jennifer what is a child care expert? i consider her to be a genius, but she's very divisive. like all the best. and she wrote a book called the contented baby called the contented little baby book, and book, which i'd recommend. and essentially a thing essentially it's got a thing called crying and called controlled crying. and what that when you what that means is that when you put this very small to bed put this very small baby to bed in cot, you let them cry in the cot, you let them cry until they asleep. you until they fall asleep. you don't in every 10 minutes and don't go in every 10 minutes and it's miraculous works every time. yeah, it does. does. my time. yeah, it does. it does. my child sleeps 12 hours a child now sleeps 12 hours a night because i'm in and out night because i'm not in and out fussing if wants to fussing around. if he wants to sing himself to sleep, that's fine. or even a bit of crying. all little bit of all right, a little bit of crying is fine. you know, often they're just overtired and they need obviously, if need to cry. obviously, if they're obviously need to cry. obviously, if ththey've obviously need to cry. obviously, if ththey've got obviously need to cry. obviously, if ththey've got that. obviously need to cry. obviously, if ththey've got that. olmean,( if they've got that. i mean, sometimes if he's his sometimes if he's got his head trapped between balls, trapped in between the balls, i'll now. that's it. i'll go back now. that's it. there's another really good book called called the baby whisperer the baby the secrets of the baby whisperer, sadly whisperer, which is sadly written author that's no written by an author that's no longer clever longer with us, but it's clever because says that babies have because it says that babies have got ways of so got different ways of crying. so if pain like colic, you can if it's pain like colic, you can hear then you should

hear that. and then you should go but there's also the go in. but there's also the crocodile's ears and teaches crocodile's ears and she teaches you the difference. yeah, which which think is good. now which i think is good. now david, historian. david, you're a historian. i wonder whether either go back wonder whether we either go back to seventies in which to the seventies in which basically baby to basically you put the baby to bed and go pub, actually, bed and go to the pub, actually, for certainly dad does. oh, i actually friend of actually i've got a friend of mine who said that she lived in a house. so basically a big house. and so basically she so far away from where she was so far away from where the living room, the bed, the bedroom couldn't bedroom that they couldn't hear a what about victorian a cry. but what about victorian family values ? perhaps that's family values? perhaps that's the way children should be seen and i think there is and not heard. i think there is and not heard. i think there is an aspect of that. this sounds to me rather like what's being called helicopter parenting. it's called family it's being called a family parenting many parenting. it's had many different the past different names over the past century, seems to have century, but this seems to have been much dominant been pretty much the dominant trend that you're trend in parenting that you're always your child. always there for your child. you're trying to you're always trying to understand reason with understand them, reason with them, can't them, be empathetic. you can't reason screaming toddler reason with a screaming toddler . the power of . they haven't the power of reason. it's not a. oh, reason. and it's not a. oh, exactly. this is a this is a different power dynamic. i think the victorian idea the idea of the victorian idea of not heard perhaps of seen but not heard perhaps works with some shrill triumph. let's bring back. does it

let's bring it back. does it work your children? you work with your children? you strike that had strike me as someone that had a good, victorian child. good, healthy victorian child. yeah. was my own yeah. well i was left my own devices long time ago. and now devices a long time ago. and now look at you. exactly. hitler of the community. brilliant. an intellectual beautifully the community. brilliant. an intellectual i beautifully the community. brilliant. an intellectual i think beautifully turned out. i think there's a great deal said for this. great deal to be said for this. my were wonderful and i my parents were wonderful and i applaud them on national television with every regularity. now i just stop mollycoddling and mollycoddling your children and thinking need your children thinking they need your children boundaries. need to boundaries. and children need to know the only other space know what the only other space that i don't have. i haven't had children, i observe a lot . children, but i observe a lot. and what seems to be the case is that so many parents do not actually pay attention to their children because they're on their the whole time. their phones the whole time. seriously the mother's nose is in the phone rather than actually assessing what the child needs to talk about . a child needs to talk about. a tantrum. a supermarket. my other half grown has has a daughter. and when she tantrum in an australian supermarket i say he got down on the floor and did the same thing and she was so horrified that she stopped. yeah daddy, you're embarrassing me . daddy, you're embarrassing me. thatis daddy, you're embarrassing me. that is the trick. that's the

superpower. embarrassed the kids. of actual kids. speaking of actual tantrums, they're an interesting fight. has broken out online . a fight. has broken out online. a man posted on reddit that he bought a cake for his family, only for his wife to demand he return it. instead, he ate the cake with his kids and his wife. now won't speak to him or even share a bed. so what is the most ridiculous row you've had with your partner? your other half's here tonight is his. we actually don't right now. the only rules we ever have are in packing it too late and too much. and he doesn't like a cardassian . doesn't like a cardassian. several bags. no, i can fit in, but it's crammed , you know, but it's crammed, you know, absolutely crap. but the one time we didn't argue was when he kidnapped me to australia for three weeks. i thought i was going away for five weeks to turkey and i packed the suitcase for that . and then i start. for that. and then i start. i couldn't find my way and i thought we had this huge fusion. where am i? square my clothes. what are my clothes? he said,

for god's sake, you know the taxis coming in the morning. we'll just go. we got into the taxi. arrived at the boot , taxi. we arrived at the boot, went up and there was he packed a secret suitcase me and a secret suitcase for me and said, we're going to australia for three weeks. and that was just a fantastic, you know, i was unbelievable. it was fabulous. but i he packed fabulous. but i mean, he packed seven shoes . i fabulous. but i mean, he packed seven shoes. i mean, seven pairs of shoes. i mean, it was unbelievable. well, david, these are these trivial fights are sometimes reflection of deeper sometimes a reflection of deeper problems in a relationship. well, all come down? problems in a relationship. wel|difference all come down? problems in a relationship. wel|difference of ll come down? problems in a relationship. wel|difference of theme down? problems in a relationship. wel|difference of the sexes)wn? problems in a relationship. wel|difference of the sexes to 1? the difference of the sexes to timing. want to be there on timing. men want to be there on time with to spare. time with a bit to spare. because, you know, planes, trains, automobiles. how have problems where problems with them where it seems might experience the seems it might experience the relationships women to relationships that women like to cut bit closer they like to cut it a bit closer they like to play cut it a bit closer they like to play it a bit more. that's play with it a bit more. that's true. me off. i can't true. it sets me off. i can't deal it. i want to be there deal with it. i want to be there with good time. plus the airports normally got a wetherspoons and don't wetherspoons now and you don't want curtail that experience want to curtail that experience full pint old full english and a pint of old speckled that's what i call speckled hen that's what i call a look. thank my a holiday look. thank to my brilliant team three brilliant team for three fantastic shows. everyone's worked amazing panel worked so hard. my amazing panel as loved every second with as well loved every second with them. and importantly , them. and most importantly,

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