it was all small thought. oh do you think these pupils that , you think these pupils that, let's face it, have had an incredibly hard time when it comes to disruption of their education? do you think they just basically getting discarded, forgotten about who cares about them when we care about this? oh your thoughts on that tonight and what on earth is going on with our police? open down the country? there have been scandals galore, plenty . all day. every day it plenty. all day. every day it feels like we seem to be reading about the latest police officer that's been in trouble or sacked. and today was no different. who is going to be

responsible for reforming the police? do you think they're up to the job? and do you trust the police, quite frankly, to be reform ? and i want your thoughts reform? and i want your thoughts on that . and the house of lords, on that. and the house of lords, which all options outweigh about whether or not it should even be a let's just a thing? well, let's just imagine for tonight it is and it will remain, sir. where should it has it be located? has been suggestions that quite specific ones. i must say that blackpool should be the location. are you in blackpool? do you want the house of lords? is that the destination of choice? and are you doing dry january? if so. well don't you? about halfway through. but it's made me ponden through. but it's made me ponder. do you think us brits have a problem with alcohol? if you're on twitter , jump on that you're on twitter, jump on that and give me your thoughts on the poll that's running right now. but before we get into all of that, let's bring ourselves up to speed with latest to speed with tonight's latest headunes. to speed with tonight's latest headlines . michelle, thank you. headlines. michelle, thank you. good evening to you. the top stories on gb news tonight. more

than 70,000 university staff have confirmed the date they'll walk out on strike as being the 1st of february. it's the first of 18 days strike by the university and college union and it follows the rmt union's announcement that train drivers at 14 rail operators will also walk out on the first and 3rd of february. in a long running dispute overjobs, pay and conditions and drivers at the aslef union will also strike on the same days. while a 100,000 civil servants will also be walking out on the first of next month and that follows the national education union announcing seven days of teachers strikes in february and march and a dispute over pay . march and a dispute over pay. now the home secretary said today that, yes , a day was a today that, yes, a day was a dark day for british policing after a former met police officer admitted multiple sex offences. david carrick pleaded guilty to 49 offences, including dozens of rapes over an 18 year

period. today he was officially sacked by the force at a misconduct hearing held in his absence. the met police now investigating over a thousand cases of sexual offences and domestic abuse involving its staff. speaking to the commons earlier on today, suella braverman said the standards and culture in the police service must change. this case will rightly throw a spotlight once again on women's safety. no one should suffer abuse or feel frightened or harassed. whether they are at home, out and about or online . we are taking or online. we are taking concerted action to prevent violence against women and support victims and survivors. relentless we pursue perpetrators and strengthen the system as a whole. while londoners have been expressing their concern over the culture within the police force to all those allegations , one of them those allegations, one of them was only four months after the

sarah everard case when the metropolitan police issued us. things have changed and i don't think things have changed. i think things have changed. i think it's extremely, very worrying for women to realise there may be a culture of sexism in the misogyny and the misogyny. i think you should have one of the harshest penalties out there. i'm definitely imprisonment and it should not just. i think the whole sector of men of metropolitan should be reviewed . well, in other news today, the scottish secretary has been defending the uk government's move to block holyrood's controversial gender bill reforms. it's the first time westminster has made an order under the scotland act to prevent a law from hollyrood going to royal assent. alister jack says the reasoning behind the move is that holyrood's gender bill would undermine equality laws in the rest of the uk . the bill would have serious uk. the bill would have serious adverse effects on the operation of the equality act 2010, and as i've set out in my correspondence with the first minister yesterday, i prefer not

to be in this situation. the united kingdom government does all we can to respect the devolution and settlement and to resolve disputes . it is open to resolve disputes. it is open to the scottish government to bring back an amended bill for ricoh's iteration in the scottish parliament. so to conclude, mr. speaker , i have set out to the speaker, i have set out to the scottish government that they should, that they choose should, that should they choose to do so. i hope we can work together to find a constructive way forward and set to publish draft legislation outlining how it plans to ban gay conversion therapy, including for transgender people. it's going to unveil its proposed approach to unveil its proposed approach to banning the conversion practises on the basis of sexuality and gender identity in england and wales. the government previously said its plans would not cover trans people, which has caused a backlash from campaigners. the law will be limited to over 18 year olds who do not consent or to those who are being coerced to those who are being coerced to undergo the practise climate

activist greta thunberg has been detained once again during climate protests in germany. the 20 year old was escorted away by police officers after taking part in demonstrations against the expansion of an open pit coal mine in the west of germany. it follows protests over the weekend with german police saying investigations have now been launched against 150 people following violent clashes. the protesters said germany should be using more renewable energy instead of mining for more fossil fuels. the government said it remains committed to phasing out the use of coal by 2030. here hundreds of coal by 2030. here hundreds of people have lost their jobs of people have lost theirjobs after the car battery company britishvolt fell into administration. administrators confirmed it failed to secure the necessary funding to keep the necessary funding to keep the company going . the company the company going. the company had planned to build a huge new factory in northumberland , which factory in northumberland, which had been praised by the former prime minister boris johnson .

prime minister boris johnson. that set you up to date on tv, onune that set you up to date on tv, online and dab radio. i'm back in and out now. back to michelle for dewbs& co . for dewbs& co. thanks for that, polly. well, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 this evening and alongside me i've got the political consultant emma burnell and the former and now life peer in former mep and now life peer in the house of lords. baroness jacqueline foster . good the house of lords. baroness jacqueline foster. good evening, both of you. welcome and happy new year to you. don't think i've seen this year. you i've seen you this year. you know drill as well, don't know the drill as well, don't you?ifs know the drill as well, don't you? it's not just about those three here in studio. it's three here in the studio. it's very about you guys at home very much about you guys at home as your mind as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can email me gb views at dot fix the views at gb news dot fix the email or you can tweet email address or you can tweet me at gb news. and if you're sitting at home thinking, i've got go out, got to go to got to go out, i've got to go to the chippy for my tea. don't you worry about that because can

worry about that because you can take you. don't forget take us with you. don't forget we the as well. so we are on the radio as well. so wherever you are tonight, you are very, very welcome. i didn't get a chance to. do you guys insights on my fashion yesterday get a chance to. do you guys insights on the fashion yesterday get a chance to. do you guys insights on the fashio breakingay because of the pesky breaking news. you've not let me down news. but you've not let me down tonight. if i had a pound for every single one of you that was told me, i looked like colonel sanders today. i'd be sanders from kfc today. i'd be absolutely minted . jon says. if absolutely minted. jon says. if you just come away from auditioning for the new parliament upstairs , parliament in the upstairs, downstairs programme. no, i have not. and my favourite one tonight, i've got to say i'm going to make a complete union of all of at the end of of all of these at the end of the year. i'll i'll do some kind of podcast or something if you guys and your hilarious fashion commentary you've commentary fail, i think you've won because won it tonight because apparently like apparently you said i look like one those things that your one of those things that your grandma to put over her bog grandma used to put over her bog roll. think i what you roll. i think i know what you mean. not sure. it's very mean. i'm not sure. it's very flattering move flattering anyway, let's move on to our top story, shall we? apparently some of you saying i look teacher as well look like a head teacher as well tonight. i wish was, quite tonight. i wish i was, quite frankly, i might be going on strike. could couple of

strike. i could get a couple of days goodnight because days off. goodnight because we're today that we're hearing again today that strike continue you. strike action will continue you. i'm on teacher i'm focusing tonight on teacher . going to be on . is they going to be going on strike for about days over strike for about seven days over the two months? the first the next two months? the first walkout take on the walkout will take place on the 1st february. i have to say 1st of february. i have to say then that the teaching then that all the teaching unions back the strikes. unions would back the strikes. you we had you remember last week we had a teacher didn't weigh in his teacher who didn't weigh in his union actually at first said they didn't get the turnout. i think they got instead of think they got 42% instead of the that they needed anyway. the 50 that they needed anyway. education secretary, she's saying , jacqueline, that the saying, jacqueline, that the teachers a turning their backs on pupils . is she right? yes, on pupils. is she right? yes, she's absolutely spot on and i just think this situation is totally avoidable . i think it's totally avoidable. i think it's totally avoidable. i think it's totally unnecessary . in my totally unnecessary. in my former life . a long time ago, former life. a long time ago, i was a trade union negotiator for about 13 years. i i was in which industry ? in the airline industry? in the airline industry. right. so i spent three years as a some of the older viewers will know as a shop steward in the transport and general workers union, one

of the first i was one of the first female shop stewards at the time, and then a number of years later we formed a new union. and so i was one of the founding members there and i was one of the senior negotiators there for about ten years. so i'm not somebody sitting i'm not somebody that's sitting here believe that here that doesn't believe that anyone go on strike, that anyone can go on strike, that that's not where i'm coming from, i'm from is from, where i'm coming from is the that i think what's not the fact that i think what's not being taken into account, not just in the education sector, but in others with the situation at the at the moment, is that the purgatory, basically, that this country went through over the couple of years of covid and if we bring that then to the education system, we had children who were frankly , in my children who were frankly, in my view, let down at times. i think there were times that they didn't need to be taken out of school of the countries prove. i hope that isn't the case ever in the future and we saw that there were issues then with safeguarding. we saw cases arising after all of those situations where the children

weren't at school, where children who were vulnerable were not being monitored. and we saw some horrendous results of what issues popped to what happened. issues popped to my absolute. and so with my mind, absolute. and so with regards to now , i mean, frankly, regards to now, i mean, frankly, if i'm being absolutely honest, all of the public sector that have now obviously joined in and decided that they think that they should go. and i wouldn't have given anybody in the public sector increase at this time. sector an increase at this time. i think i would have liked to have said to the public sector, you know, the public supported the entire public sector throughout all of covid. nobody lost their jobs. everyone kept lost theirjobs. everyone kept their contracts and employment, which was right because we wanted to make sure we had a foundation to build on post covid. but the private sector , covid. but the private sector, you know, the small businesses, people took an absolute hammering . as we said, children hammering. as we said, children were badly affected . you know, were badly affected. you know, it was absolutely awful. so to now, one union after another,

one area after another, particularly in the public sector. and, of course, the rail the rail strikes, too. i just think that that's been so inappropriate at this time. i'm not saying that some stage in the future that, you know, all of these or all of these areas should have a pay increase. i'm not saying that at all. i just think that the timing is dreadful and i certainly wouldn't support them striking at all. well, harsh wash wouldn't support these strikes. i've told you i'm a yes. of course i do . it is absolutely course i do. it is absolutely their right to strike they pubuc their right to strike they public sector pay sickness frequently lower than private sector pay. and we yes , they are sector pay. and we yes, they are the public sector raises are in on average 2 to 3% private sector raises on average of 7. so we are seeing a significant widening of the gap between private sector pay and public sector pay. we have a recruitment problem in schools. we are not seeing enough new teachers being recruited and that has two impacts. first of all, it means that when teachers are having more work to do,

they're working longer hours and discovering more work and also means that we are not seeing the kind of yeah. the reason that people are not joining the teaching profession is because they're not being paid to do so. we're not attracting people into the teaching profession and the people are suffering long term . people are suffering long term. it's not the children who are going to lose a day of schooling, but the children whose education is being massively impacted by the fact that we do not value teachers properly this country . you properly in this country. you say we're not into forcing say that we're not into forcing people into the sector enough. i mean, i've got some figures here published by the ifs, which show the entrance to the teacher training schemes relative to their target. so for example , their target. so for example, you'll say , no, we're not. if you'll say, no, we're not. if you'll say, no, we're not. if you look at 100% in your target, there's not many of the subjects that are falling way below that. some of them are over the target, some of them are over the target, a lot of them are below that. and i can see that from the figures you've got. we've got ones at 70. that's three out ten not being

three out of ten not being filled. that's not it's filled. that's not okay. it's not okay that far behind not okay to feel that far behind in a poor country, as do these seven we be seven country where we should be absolute fundamentally absolute, clearly fundamentally saying that educating our youth is our top priority. it's not okay to devalue it that much. do you think it's based on money that get these people that you can't get these people in? think part of it. in? i think it's part of it. i think money and conditions not these strikes just about these strikes are not just about wages. are also about wages. they are also about conditions. well, before i conditions. well well, before i go you talk go back to jackie, you talk about i'll tell you about conditions. i'll tell you about conditions. i'll tell you about because about conditions, because you referenced, a referenced, for example, a pubuc referenced, for example, a public pay reference public sector pay in reference to private many people to private sector. many people using your terms of conditions, you say, well, hang on a second. if you look what these public if you look at what these public sector first and sector workers, first and foremost most cases are foremost in most cases are not. they've job for life. they they've got a job for life. they have job security that you often wouldn't the private wouldn't get in the private sector. have pensions that wouldn't get in the private sector. makeiave pensions that wouldn't get in the private sector. make your)ensions that wouldn't get in the private sector. make your eyes>ns that wouldn't get in the private sector. make your eyes waterit wouldn't get in the private sector. make your eyes water to be would make your eyes water to be the dreams for many the stuff of dreams for many private sector workers. so there's lots of different things actually, when it comes beyond pay actually, when it comes beyond pay entice someone pay that would entice someone into the public sector. but jackie, me stick with pay jackie, let me stick with pay for a second. yeah you know, if you do look at pay, it's be

you do look at the pay, it's be fair to these teachers. they have real terms a pay cut have had in real terms a pay cut over the last decade. it's a what the unions would say and all the rest of it is they just want fairness. they want their workers able to afford workers to be able to afford a decent standard of living in these tough well, i don't these tough times. well, i don't think all have pay think they all have all have pay cuts i mean, of course, cuts at all. i mean, of course, we can measure things by we can we can measure things by inflate and we've got high inflate. and we we've got high inflation moment. nobody inflation at the moment. nobody denies i'm surprised we've denies that. i'm surprised we've got an economy, after got an economy, frankly, after two what we've been two years of what we've been through with covid. and i think it's quite wrong to say, you know, you may say that some of the pay increases that have gone on maybe in the last few months for the private sector have been a bit higher. but what what you don't mention is the number of businesses number of businesses and the number of people who lost their jobs dunng people who lost their jobs during covid who haven't during covid who still haven't got that was available. got a job. that was available. if in if we're if i continue in terms if we're talking about i mean, know talking about i mean, i know many teachers. know you know many teachers. i know you know many teachers. i know you know many public sector many people in the public sector when i joined british airways, it in the public sector that it was in the public sector that it was in the public sector that it a number of it was privatised a number of years so all i'm saying

years later. so all i'm saying is nobody wants, you know, low wages for people. of course, people need to be recompensed properly, but we also have to be able to cut our cloth. we have to be able to pay what we can afford. and it's not just the government that turns around and says, know, will get 3% says, you know, you will get 3% or or whatever we have pay or 1% or whatever we have pay review for the very review bodies for the very good reasons they independent reasons and they are independent and make recommendations. i and they make recommendations. i don't actually when the don't recall actually when the pay don't recall actually when the pay review body in recent years has made a recommendation to government for either health or or, you know, the nurses or whoever. and it's not actually being through . well, it being carried through. well, it happened within the health sector than two years sector in less than two years ago. it happens weekly ago. so i and it happens weekly in government i'm just in the government do i'm just saying hang on dundalk overreach i may just say and in addition to the teachers you know when i started school teachers didn't have teaching assistants . it's have teaching assistants. it's good to see these days, you see all classes now and teachers have teaching assistants. that was never, ever the case. certainly, you know, until a number of years ago. and i think that's good because that gives

fees teacher themselves that's good because that gives fees teacherthemselves to fees to teacher themselves up to be focusing on other things to do as well. and so you know, i think teachers are valued. i think teachers are valued. i think nurses have i think people are valued by the public. but i think a lot of the public would say first fir we have to now, you know, we've got to get this economy back on its unless economy back on its feet unless we got a successful thrust we have got a successful thrust ing private sector. and that's we're bringing an investment and that's we're looking at entrepreneurs and people to say, come start your company, start a business. unless we have a productive private sector, we don't generate the money and the way the public could get a successful private sector economy is to have a really well—educated private and that we, in order to do that, we need to have a well—educated, well remunerated and satisfied workforce and able to teach and inspire those can't pay rise here they should get then i don't want to put a number on it because i'm not in the negotiating table. annoys me this because you're very happy to sit there and say pay is not

enough. we're letting everyone down to the same rate really? well, give them all well, i mean, i'd give them all 100 year if i could, but 100 grand a year if i could, but i don't. i don't i'm not the secretary of state for education, god. but you education, thank god. but you must view. we've if must have a view. we've got, if you want all the rest. i think the teachers should earn above the teachers should earn above the average wage. the above the average wage. i think that you should be able to see teaching as profession see teaching as a profession that live comfortably on that you can live comfortably on a i think the a full life. i think the teachers are parents teachers who are also parents too, by the way, let's let's not forgot have this separate version of, oh, there's teachers over parents over here. over here and parents over here. we most teachers have kids. we have most teachers have kids. so we're all talking about people in charge of our people who are in charge of our future . there nothing to me future. there is nothing to me more i would more valuable now. i would have teachers classes teachers teaching tiny classes well remunerated , and i think well remunerated, and i think that that is an investment in our future. just to be clear by the way, when you start getting to the higher grades of teaching, which most of the teachers are on, they do an above wages, they an above average wages, they do an above average wages, they do an above average, not massively above average, but not massively above average, but not massively above no kind of wages above average. no kind of wages that would get if you were that you would get if you were teaching it in, say, a private

school. you would get a much if a salary. why aren't we why aren't investing in that kind aren't we investing in that kind of from what? you're of a future from what? you're also not wishing to emphasise is the sector have very good the public sector have very good packages. it's not just about your level of pay, it wasn't just about the level pay. just about the level of pay. when i in british airways. when i was in british airways. it also about pensions it was also about the pensions schemes were available. it schemes that were available. it was about being covered was also about being covered fully. were on maternity fully. if you were on maternity leave, you were off sick. leave, if you were off sick. i mean, there are a whole raft of things when you're in full time employment your contracts employment or your own contracts in sector, that isn't in the public sector, that isn't just about the level pay, just about the level of pay, notwithstanding the employer is paying notwithstanding the employer is paying are you, the paying in. are you, the government, the taxpayer? you know double the amount to go know, double the amount to go into pensions, which is into those pensions, which is fine. couldn't more fine. you couldn't be more right. great got right. it's great that i got conditions. the conditions. so should the private sector go on strike? guy focusing just on the take home pay focusing just on the take home pay the package. and pay without the package. and thatis pay without the package. and that is what we need because we need to pay anything we need to have who can live have teachers who can live comfortably today i know comfortably day today i know because my salary separate the teachers i know that very well

on their salaries . they are on on their salaries. they are on houday on their salaries. they are on holiday as often as anybody else. i know. holiday as often as anybody else. i know . but holiday as often as anybody else. i know. but you holiday as often as anybody else. i know . but you know, a else. i know. but you know, a very well remunerated teachers. i don't well, they're working in the public sector. i don't well, they're working in the public sector . well, i don't well, they're working in the public sector. well, i'm glad of it . at all occasions glad of it. at all occasions where that happens, it doesn't happen often enough. it should be it should be the role , not be it should be the role, not the exception. but you are you're paid on a on grade , on you're paid on a on grade, on the how long you've been there, like any company or any business you will generally the longer you've been. yeah, but you also rate, reach top level of rate, you reach a top level of those grade and you can't get further on and so the reason i move on, look at the pedigree. only go into the only if you go into the management structure and actually want every actually i don't want every teacher teacher. teacher becoming a head teacher. i want really teachers i want really great teachers staying class. you get to staying in the class. you get to head of head teachers speaking of headteachers, finish headteachers, i'll just finish on i have to on this thing because i have to say did make me laugh, quite say it did make me laugh, quite frankly, the national association head teachers, association of head teachers, their their members to their balloted their members to see or they want to see whether or not they want to go strike action. didn't go on strike action. they didn't get turnouts . they have to get their turnouts. they have to get their turnouts. they have to get 50% out. they only get 50% and turn out. they only managed achieve 42. and this

managed to achieve 42. and this is why it made me laugh, because that nra teach general that union the nra teach general secretary said the following is incredibly frustrating but he says the anti—trade union basically legislation as compelled those to conduct the ballot by post get this during a penod ballot by post get this during a period in which the management of the royal mail refused to take action. so ameliorate the disruption to the postal service . so he is basically is not being able to get his members on strike. the reason because they didn't get the turnout is blaming fact didn't get blaming the fact they didn't get the the post strikes . you the ten on the post strikes. you couldn't it up so this couldn't make it up so this union doesn't like the disruption by strike disruption caused by strike action that anyway , what's action with that anyway, what's your thoughts? have you got kids at school? are you a teacher? if you're teacher, by the way, you're a teacher, by the way, congrats to you. i wouldn't be a teacher all the love. more teacher for all the love. more money in the world. i'm you, sir. i like this idea, by the way, on. how about it's time to find the teachers for not allowing kids to to allowing our kids to go to school? they're school? because they're very quick find parents for taking quick to find parents for taking pupils out of school, aren't they? when it comes to things

like holidays, you're very interesting on that one, derek. the no different the teachers are no different and the other groups that and all the other groups that simply money, the simply want more money, the unions one way to unions know only one way to negotiate and that is to hold the contract to ransom . one of the contract to ransom. one of the contract to ransom. one of the unions, by the way, who didn't get the turnout was, well, they were saying they wouldn't have any conversations unless they minimum of 12. unless they got a minimum of 12. so people now asking for so many people now asking for above rises, adrian , above inflation rises, adrian, no one should get a pay rise apart from the nurses and the paramedics. they are most paramedics. they are the most important should be important and it should be settled it's everyone's settled both. it's everyone's right to strike. i don't agree with you, by the way. i adrian. i think everyone i don't think that everyone imagines services. i don't imagines the services. i don't think be able to think you should be able to strike. that's strike. i know that's controversial. i'm all upset, some but that is my some of you, but that is my view, julie says. what about giving teachers more money in their their their pockets? bought their pensions to fund that pensions to fund it? that sentiment is one that's come through quite a lot. and robert says it is a moral to go on strike over inflation, which will go down in time. we had two years of education disrupted by covid. yes, but robert, if you

can't afford to live, it's getting around to i don't know how you're greengrocer and saying i want this food bought, i'll pay you in two years time when things got a bit when things have got a bit cheapen when things have got a bit cheaper, won't wash with him cheaper, it won't wash with him anyway. keep your thoughts coming views. gbnews.uk coming in. gb views. gbnews.uk is address to is my email address going to take quick break. when we come take a quick break. when we come back, some more of back, i'll have some more of your but also want your thoughts. but i also want to talk to you about the place. do you still trust them, which seems have forces the in seems to have forces the law in special the moment special measures at the moment as that and we as well? that way. and yet we can that guy on the screen can see that guy on the screen right now. yet another one. there's been sacked . what's there's been sacked. what's going on with the police? do you trust them to reform themselves? tell i'll see you in tell me and i'll see you in 2 minutes .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, michelle jeffery, we are keeping you complaints. it's 7:00 tonight and alongside me, i've got the

political consultant emma burnell and the former mep. and now peer in the house of now life peer in the house of lords, baroness jacqueline foster. love that baroness foster. i do love that baroness thing. i would like to be a baroness oh. baroness purnell of baker's arms. don't you think that's got a ring to it? that's where i a bit, because where i live a bit, because that's where i live. oh, it sounds like a local pub. you know, i think it's named after what local pub, and what was once the local pub, and it's now a betting shop. well, we'll be talking about the lords in a few minutes later on in just a few minutes later on in just a few minutes later on in programme. lot more in the programme. a lot more specifically, think specifically, why do you think the house lords should be the house of lords should be located in blackpool as of located in blackpool as one of the suggestions they should the suggestions that they should move interested move to? i'll be interested to hear thoughts hear jacqueline's thoughts on that, get into that, but before we get into that, but before we get into that, talk the place, that, let's talk the place, shall because houses up and shall we? because houses up and down the country, let's face they getting absolute they are getting an absolute battering and battering at the moment and there be doesn't there always seems to be doesn't it, poll after poll that says people in them. people have lost trust in them. you've six forces right now you've got six forces right now in measures this in special measures and this whole concepts of whole kind of concepts of policing consent. some people policing by consent. some people say concept is say that that very concept is hanging by a thread now, not least because of the stories like the that you've had

like the one that you've had today serial rapist today about serial rapist keeping role in the met keeping his role in the met place for almost 22 years. despite repeated complaints about his behaviour. so let's be clear, we all would probably concede that the police need to reform. do you think they've got it in them though? i think it's really hard to see how reform can be led from the inside after such repeated failures over such a long period of time . there is a long period of time. there is quite clearly a culture of defensiveness within the police force, a protect our own , a force, a protect our own, a don't look, don't see attitude towards poor behaviour . and that towards poor behaviour. and that can't really usually be solved from the inside . i think the from the inside. i think the match would probably be broken up into smaller parts. i would take the very important counter—terrorism unit and separate it and then have much more community policing based on maybe a borough or tri borough

areas . but maybe a borough or tri borough areas. but beyond maybe a borough or tri borough areas . but beyond the structural areas. but beyond the structural reform, i think there needs to be a real look at how we attract the right people into policing, particularly when people who are not interested in who aren't going into police in order to be a powerful person . i think a powerful person. i think they're going into place in order to be a community person. is the right approach. and i think at the moment we've got some i think it's 800 people who are currently under investigation, but out of a force of 45,000, that's quite a big percentage . one 800 800 big percentage. one 800 800 people, 45,000 is that's that's more than nearly 2% of that of that workforce , which is quite, that workforce, which is quite, you know, under who are having investigations reopened. many people will be watching this going well , if we lose them as going well, if we lose them as a percentage 2, that means that percentage of 2, that means that 98% guys and girls 98% of these guys and girls obviously the decent know that 98% are not currently under investigation . and that's that's investigation. and that's that's quite different from they're the good guys i think there is a

problem with both those individuals are the 800 or so clearly we need to think about, but also , well, how are we but also, well, how are we attracting people who will want to have the kind of policing thatis to have the kind of policing that is open and transparent and honest and not the kind of policing that is self—protecting , self—reinforcing, becomes tribal and almost like it's a gang of its own, rather than the kind that is working in the community to break up that kind of attitude. can i ask, by the way, if you're at home and you are a serving police officer or are a serving police officer or a retired one or whatever, and you hear this conversation about the police, i am interested as to how you feel right now. i mean, how's your morale if you're currently serving, get in touch. let me know. but jacqueline, what do make of jacqueline, what do you make of it all? well, i get tired of phrases that we hear all the time lessons learned. we time about lessons learned. we have things that have these terrible things that happen the police. happen not just in the police. we in sorts of areas we have it in all sorts of areas and we've learned a lot and they never seem to learn the lesson. this particular case it is, of

course, it's pretty rare we know that. we know that the vast majority of police officers are trustworthy. they work hard, are very proud to do the job that they do. my own view , and i'm no they do. my own view, and i'm no expert in the sort of policing arena , but we listen to how arena, but we listen to how things move and change over the years . i things move and change over the years. i think there's an issue with recruitment. i think this incessant demand that people have degrees these days to do anything runs counter to some of the i think the public sector type jobs that we need to fill. so that rank and file, i don't blame the rank and file those on the beat. basically i think there's a problem with leadership within the police . i leadership within the police. i think there's a problem, as i said, with recruitment. i think there's a problem with line management terms of how you management in terms of how you in any business or any whatever you're doing, you have to people who are working in your team have to be line managed properly . i don't work. i come from a an industry that had a no blame

culture. so i don't see the point in blaming people for mistakes they made. what you don't want is cover ups. yeah. what you want is an openness and you want a frankness where if people are concerned that they've said the wrong thing, that they are able to be dealt with fairly and obviously maybe put into work to try and go stuff like that. so clearly if we get on to how they police themselves, we have the ipcc , themselves, we have the ipcc, don't we? there's independent body and of course you've got one force. i understand, looking into another and i think they're going to have to rethink how they do that perhaps. i mean , i they do that perhaps. i mean, i think very difficult for think it's very difficult for civilians to come from outside who want nothing to do with the police and we've got a group of people to go by. you need to judge what these two police officers did. well we don't know the outs of the job. we the ins and outs of the job. we know can see. we're not know what we can see. we're not stupid. of i would stupid. so of course, i would imagine you'd have to have imagine that you'd have to have very people who were very trained people who were trained police officers that were these things, were looking into these things, which right. it

which is quite right. but it then looks at how is the then it looks at how is the accountability? this accountability? i mean, this particular how somebody particular case, how somebody ends up as a police officer either before with a criminal record and unless it was the tripped over and found an apple that fell out of a shop, you're not going to blame some kid of ten their life. but we ten and ruin their life. but we know have people in the know we have people in the police force now . well, i think police force now. well, i think the problem the police service is one, they changed it from a police force which was supposed to enforce the law a police to enforce the law to a police service. quite sure. service. and i'm not quite sure. i don't think it knows what its job is half the time. frankly so you rule out you don't want to rule out anybody to join the anybody wanting to join the police . but the same token, police. but by the same token, you want people a good you want people with a good record or you want people for joining for the right reasons and you they also need to understand what their obugafions understand what their obligations are . we know that obligations are. we know that the vast majority , they look the vast majority, they look after us. we rely on them. the first thing that happened was you will know if you say whatever we got. 0999 so they haven't lost of all faith with the public. but i think people

are getting cheesed off women. as we've said , particularly this as we've said, particularly this sort of misogyny that's going on with a lot of these men. they're in the wrong job. they're in the wrong job. if you cannot treat your colleague or the people that you have to serve in a proper grown up, respectful fashion, you are in the wrong job. as tough it is as i agree with most of what you say, jacqueline. my only thing that i would pick you up on is that in terms of oversight, i think there does have to be a civilian role in that because ultimately we do have to remember the police are there to enforce the laws on crime commissioners and serve us . and i think there serve us. and i think there needs to be that pact and both sides need to be a part of that , that transparency and oversight relation ship simon's beenin oversight relation ship simon's been in touch and he says, why male officers all tarred with the same brush. he says it seems going on. they swear it the only way forward will be to employ female officers, he says he

served with the met police for 20 years and had exemplary service. i understand what you're saying there, liam says. i work for bedfordshire and norfolk police as a policeman and i hate it when problems at the met tarnish every other police force . i hear you there, police force. i hear you there, but i also do have to point out that there's a number of police in special measures right now. it's not just the metropolitan of metropolitan police. this is not just a london issue by any stretch of the imagination . i stretch of the imagination. i want your thoughts. do you still trust the police, by the way , if trust the police, by the way, if i was in a situation, i have to be honest, where i don't know. police have tried to pull me over on the side of a road. being completely honest, i won't go out of my car. i wouldn't normally. you are normally. and if you are a decent police officer, that must really because i really frustrate you, because i suspect i'm not alone in that opinion. but keep your views coming john the coming in. john says the discipline in the is discipline in the police is non—existent and police are non—existent and the police are investigating i investigating themselves. i firmly believe when incidents like happen , the chief like this happen, the chief constable be sacked. do

constable should be sacked. do you where do you think accountability should be? where should the book stop? give me your on i'm going your thoughts on that. i'm going to take a quick break. when i come back, i'll have some more of your views spots. i'm also asking lords, asking you the house of lords, let's just all agree for a second that we should have it. where should be located? where should it be located? there's a suggestion that there's been a suggestion that it be moved blackpool it should be moved to blackpool , there a lot of fun in , so there are a lot of fun in blackpool, but it the right blackpool, but is it the right place law tell me .

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economic forum? all that plus kelvin mackenzie , laurence fox kelvin mackenzie, laurence fox and meghan kelly on down written tonight 9 pm. to 11 pm. on. gb news. hi there welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry. keeping company until 7:00 tonight alongside the political consultant emma burnell and the former mep and now life peer in the house of lords. baroness jacqueline foster. welcome back everybody . foster. welcome back everybody. we've just been talking about police reform . paul, you make police reform. paul, you make a very good point . you say, i fear very good point. you say, i fear that once the police have all be reformed , there will be even reformed, there will be even more work and wishy washy. then there are now. and linda, you make a really interesting point as well. you say britain is lawless and it's not just women that are not safe. look, rather, rochdale children are also not safe. but to counter that as

well, bernard, he's literally just emailed in saying how common all the discussions on all the news programmes. michelle only have a focus about women's safety. it's almost as if you think that men don't get attacked either. i don't think that's all and i do kind of hear your point there. i wouldn't want to be a police officer for all the money in the world. i can you as as many can tell you as much as many serving officers get a bad rap through conversations like we've just i've got to just been having, i've got to say, that puts themselves say, anyone that puts themselves in way to protect in the way of harm to protect all i do certainly respect all the i do certainly respect you. couldn't do your job if you. i couldn't do yourjob if i'm honest. so thank you . i'm honest. so thank you. actually, to all people that are decent and do work hard to keep us safe. let's move on for us safe. but let's move on for now, shall because i am now, shall we? because i am indeed luckily enough to be joined lot too. we call you joined by a lot too. we call you lord and baroness, baroness says lord, the less than there was a man on someone less intelligent. i mean obviously at that what can i say? anyway, we are joined by and i thought by a baroness and i thought would be remiss of me actually then not have this then not to have this conversation because tory conversation because a tory mp from blackpool , i wonder why

from blackpool, i wonder why he's that passionate about blackpool and says that his town would be the perfect spot to relocate the house of lords . the relocate the house of lords. the windsor gardens apparently would be the place where you can all kind of move to jacqueline and they would all be excellent. apparently according to him, thought well , i know paul very thought well, i know paul very well. good colleague of mine. yes. and as an mep, i obviously represent to the whole of the north—west and i always i was born and brought up in liverpool before moving south and you know , w9, before moving south and you know , we, i don't know any chamber in the world anywhere where you've got two chambers, you've normally got a primary and a secondary chamber where you then sort of move the secondary chamber, you know, about 200 miles away from the primary. so why didn't move from birth? and if you're if your concern is proximity to the common, it's as well it's not not just not well it's not it's not just not you . the practicality you put you. the practicality is you put you'll put your government you'll put your government and you'll put your government and you will put all of the

departments surround the departments that surround the legislative processes , i.e, what legislative processes, i.e, what were the government and whether members of parliament are going to be based. i see if you look at hollyrood up in scotland or the way they work it in in wales and so it's not just about where we physically go, it's about the whole back up, it's about the whole back up, it's about the whole structure, it's about those people that work within that. the parliamentary estate, for example them. and we are all together, we're all in the palace of westminster. so what you have the both chambers of the people that support us . if the people that support us. if you need to be where do i come from? home. i know, but you're working from. you've got the primary legislation at this moment going the moment in time going into the commons. of these debates commons. a lot of these debates will debated in the lords in the next or two. you've got all next day or two. you've got all of that are organising of people that are organising all of that. they're working together to do all of that. so there's also the costs. i mean , there's also the costs. i mean, it's costly enough to have any parliament anywhere, but if you then start , you've got the

then start, you've got the security issues to some people might and think that that's particularly important. it's not about who particularly is it? it's about an attack on the state. so there's a whole raft of things why you wouldn't practically just start separating it and put in one part of it in another part of snobbery, play a part. do you think? because lots of people there quite like the whole concept of the big ground palaces and the estate and gardens and things and the thames . and now, i mean, we're thames. and now, i mean, we're fortunate , be honest. i mean, fortunate, be honest. i mean, you know, if somebody said to me, would work? and me, would you work? and i go, i work there. i mean, how many people say that? few . people can say that? very few. and great privilege. i and it's a great privilege. i mean, an absolute honour. mean, it's an absolute honour. and you walk this history. and you walk into this history. i it is it's absolutely i mean, it is it's absolutely phenomenal . i mean, it is it's absolutely phenomenal. it really is. and i think we're very i just think we're very privileged, actually, to be able to work in such a fantastic place. i don't think it's nothing to do with snobbery because somebody mooted that perhaps we should move the lords . york it's not about it's . york so it's not about it's not about that. i think this is just bit gesture politics in a

way, and they go, well, i think it should go here and whatever. and i don't think it's a serious proposal wherever it might be, you altogether and you keep it altogether and that's you go. jacqueline that's how you go. jacqueline that's staying. that's our pitch for staying. where convinced you? where is she? convinced you? give thoughts. emma give me your thoughts. emma i love blackpool . i spent quite a love blackpool. i spent quite a lot of my twenties having great nights out in blackpool. i've got family who live just outside and for me there is there are some practicalities if you going to have a bicameral system of having those houses close together and service by the same stuff, but i can see the, the incentive move or to put something big in a place like that because it could really do with that inward investment for i think there's a much bigger conversation to be had about how devolve a lot more power and have a lot more government that happens outside of one s.w. one postcode. so when that happens ,

postcode. so when that happens, it might be great if we move a lot of power into the northwest that it doesn't simply go to liverpool or manchester. it to the obvious choices , but the obvious choices, but actually goes to somewhere that could really do with having a whole lot more investment and actually put it in somewhere like blackpool, which would be great, think that has to great, but i think that has to be the north—west be the choice of the north—west to decide how they would want to manage that. no, put me sitting here very from to be one here not very far from to be one telling them do it. telling them how to do it. people against that. when people vote against that. when you at the whole kind of you look at the whole kind of regional assemblies or whatever the referendum was, but there are say no in 2004. are no they did say no in 2004. it may be that way, but there are lots of different ways of reorganising our democracy. there are lots of different ways of much out of one as of getting as much out of one as possible. and i think it's worth saying that with nearly 20 years ago now and people changed their minds on quite a lot of things since then. but i don't think i don't think there's a need for another have another level. i mean, we have county council levels, we have metropolitan levels, we have district eight, we have, you know, plenty levels of

government throughout the throughout. well, i mean, you could, example, move the could, for example, move the lancashire county council from lancashire, from lancaster or preston. i coming which one. it's in. i've been to post to see different councils to blackpool. i would absolutely immerse . steve farnworth immerse. steve farnworth councils actually i used to work for a local government think tank for three years. i would increase their powers and what they can do at that level rather than simply adding another layer. but there are plenty of ways to do this that could bring investment into blackpool through pumping up democracy under lifts in a blackpool you said you're absolutely welcome . said you're absolutely welcome. the investment into blackpool economy. i'm not surprised actually. you guys get a fortune is about 320. is it about 323? you get a day, you get a day free. what, what, what pays get is not salaried . there's no is not salaried. there's no pension, there's no package pay package at all. if you attend and only if you attend , you will

and only if you attend, you will be you sign in basically and you are paid a daily rate which then covers it has to cover accommodation because obviously not everybody lives in westminster , all lives in that. westminster, all lives in that. so if you fail to boards and you're a peer and you clock in just to go and have lunch in a subsidised restaurant, if it is indeed subsidised and you clock out again, you still get 323.0. you have to be you have to have been the chamber. so if i go been in the chamber. so if i go down your counties and go to down to your counties and go to a you can't even go to a member, you can't even go to into committee and be into a committee and be registered. you have to have been the chamber or the grand been in the chamber or the grand committee, which is where the slightly smaller chamber. so i could have had lunch. yeah put my bottom on a chair in the chamber for a couple of minutes, check my social media and then leave. and qualifies me for leave. and that qualifies me for my 323. well whips might my 323. well the whips might have say with that have something to say with that . about job. it's not . it's not about job. it's not about work. if you can about better work. if you can get me know your get it, let me know your thoughts. blackpool are convinced that is the convinced that that is the location for the lords or not. i

have to say i've got a fair few weekends in blackpool growing up as a teenager. unfortunate for me that i can't really remember much of because quite frankly, i drank too much alcohol. which leads me onto the next leads me nicely onto the next topic we indeed topic because we are indeed about dry about halfway through dry january and it makes me wonder all this dry january stock turnover this and quit drinking that so breaks brits have a problem with alcohol give me your thoughts and i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry till 7:00 tonight alongside the political consultant emma burnell on the former mep and now life peer in the house of lords, baroness jacqueline frost . you're all jacqueline frost. you're all going in touch telling me why you think the lords should be very located. so some of them are not very polite. what rated them out round things or

something ? they rooted them that something? they rooted them that well. more than that, inspectors make your eyes water. what it amounts is time anyway. right we're past the halfway point in january , of course. are you one january, of course. are you one of those people that loudly and declared that you're going to do dry january? i'm definitely not. but are you one of them? i got me kind of thinking, emma, because you have all these kind of one year and bigger air and october and dry january and all these kind of initiatives everywhere. try and stop us, dnnk everywhere. try and stop us, drink have drink cheese. then we have a problem alcohol in this problem with alcohol in this country . so i'm going to be country. so i'm going to be really open and honest here. i haven't had a drink for a year and a half and that was because i had an awful lot of a i had an awful lot of drink a year and a half ago. and leading up to point , i definitely up to that point, i definitely had a problem . i intend to try had a problem. i intend to try and reintroduce alcohol slowly into my life. this year. i said i'd go to christmas and do birthdays without, but i got to. i got to a point where i had to stop and what i know, tiesto, for the last year and a half,

how socially awkward it is not to have a drink , not in my to have a drink, not in my terms. i mean, i'm quite sociable. i can talk to both of you. we've never met before. we've been chatting away in the breaks more than everywhere you go. a glass of wine is handed to you automatic . actually, you almost automatic. actually, there so many things that there are so many things that you just don't about it. and that i'm given alcohol. you just don't about it. and that i'm given alcohol . and i that i'm given alcohol. and i just think, why ? why am i having just think, why? why am i having a glass of wine at the theatre when wine makes me sleepy and sitting in a dark room makes me sleepy? what i wanted to do is concentrate on the stage. i think we don't think nearly enough about all of the ways in which alcohol just completely permeates our culture . now, permeates our culture. now, i know a ban it all person and i'm not a person who would want to deny anybody else a good time. and i hope that they can have good time without getting to this day. i got myself in, but i do think we need to maybe like just all take personal

conception of what? why do i need to drink at this point and do i need it or do i want it? and those are two different things. i think we need to make it easier to not drink without making it harder to do anything. you want to in terms of your own body. i think it's never been easier to not drink. i think it is easier than it used to be. definitely but it's still everywhere. and i can i promise you know this because i'm not you i know this because i'm not taking glass is up shove taking the glass is up shove towards yeah, i've got to towards me. yeah, i've got to say, i spoke quite as before anyway i did unfortunately wind up in actually in few years ago and i have an interesting relationship with alcohol. it's something that i have to take great care to consider and be mindful because alcohol is not great for a lot of people i don't think and i do regard alcohol as a bit of a liquid depressant. it's the social lubricant, but too much of it is indeedin lubricant, but too much of it is indeed in my mind anyway, a liquid depressant. and i do think it's a shame actually when i see just much of i see just how much of everything was socially engaged

and is underpinned and interaction is underpinned by booze. it's great if you can sort one drink and off you pop, but a lot of people can. well i quite agree. and the funny thing is all the years i was in the airline industry from when i was quite young and have a drink and inever quite young and have a drink and i never drank because for any particular reason i didn't particularly like it that, oh, if i didn't have a sip and i was working in an industry which is safety critical. so obviously there were strict rules about when you could drink, if you were away, and all of this sort of stuff. and i just found that i didn't have great alcohol tolerance. so i think when i was a teenager, i'd try a few drinks and i you know, you get people and i you know, you get people and they sort of have about ten drinks. i talk one. drinks. i talk about one. i didn't really feel that great. and it's only been me and it's only been for me probably about the last 20 years. i actually used to smoke and, you know, if somebody said to me they're going to ban

cigarettes or alcohol at the time, i would have said, well, you've got to ban alcohol because i was a smoker. well, i chose to stop a number of years ago , and i regret that i'm ago, and i don't regret that i'm not censorious at all about people who smoked or drank or whatever . i people who smoked or drank or whatever. i think we have to take our own personal response ability, it was hard to want ability, but it was hard to want people to me , you're people to say to me, you're having drink. this is years having a drink. this is years ago, and i'd say, no, i'll just have an apple juice or some oh no, virgin. and well, no, how virgin. and well, i don't want and tonic. and don't want a gin and tonic. and you do have actually stand you do have to actually stand there of say, no, oh, there and sort of say, no, oh, you're not going to enjoy yourself unless you have a drink. i'm having a great drink. well, i'm having a great time, actually, didn't time, actually, and i didn't need one. now i enjoy gin need one. so now i enjoy a gin and tonic. and i think what we just to sometimes in just need to do sometimes in this country, because we do have a slightly different culture, because i've lived other because i've lived in other countries, the drink countries, is enjoy the drink that when you sit down. that you have when you sit down. everything moderation, even everything in moderation, even people, smoke. maybe people, it's still smoke. maybe enjoy what you do, enjoy your food enjoy that drink that you have with it. and of course, we all went out on a saturday night

and people had a few. all went out on a saturday night and people had a few . and i've and people had a few. and i've seen people who've turned into a jekyll and hyde mean , jekyll and hyde mean, unfortunately, which is not great. so i just think it's not an easy subject and but it's not an easy subject and but it's not an easy subject and but it's not an easy subject and easy thing is you say about enjoy yourself and all the rest of it. unfortunately for many people , unfortunately for many people, alcohol has gone beyond the point of enjoyment and it's gone to the point of need. and that is when really you need to have a word with yourself. and it's not an easy thing to do. i asked you on twitter by the way, do you on twitter by the way, do you think those brits have a dnnk? you think those brits have a drink? problem? 56.6% of you said no. the 43.4% of you lied and said yes and no. that's actually the way around. anyway i think a lot of people do indeed have a problem. if you do, there's so much help available to you and it takes bravery and guts to ask for help anyway , that i've got anyway, that is all i've got time for. thank you very much, ladies, for your contributions tonight. thank you to nigel farage. up what have you

farage. up next, what have you got us , michel? thank you got for us, michel? thank you very much indeed. well, rishi, it's the first bold thing he's done as prime minister. he's going to veto nicolas equalities legislation and we'll debate . legislation and we'll debate. was rishi right to do this? all of that in a moment. first, let's get the weather . i like let's get the weather. i like the weather stays cold through the weather stays cold through the next 24 hours. frost ice. and in some places, further snow, blizzards and drifting snow. in scotland, meanwhile, across the north of scotland, we've got this area of low pressure that's bringing some heavy rain , sleet and snow to heavy rain, sleet and snow to the northern isles . it's heavy rain, sleet and snow to the northern isles. it's going to push a stronger wind into the north of the mainland, along with blizzard conditions with inland blizzard conditions and drifting snow . so above 100 and drifting snow. so above 100 metres for northern scotland, predominantly . we'll see the predominantly. we'll see the worst of the conditions with a further 15 centimetres of snow building up gale force winds leading to blizzards and drifting during tuesday evening . that does tend to ease later in the night. further wintry showers in west, a mixture of

rain, sleet and snow and a cold night to come with temperatures a degrees freezing a few degrees below freezing in many risk of icy many spots and a risk of icy patches, especially towards the west the south. so watch out west and the south. so watch out for those. first thing, there'll be further showers of rain and sleet south—west sleet across south—west england. wales ireland wales and northern ireland dunng wales and northern ireland during it'll be during wednesday it'll be showers coming into the north sea along with a strengthening breeze and sleet around the coast. snow inland over coast. snow inland and over hills, but in between, especially the central especially through the central swathe, plenty of sunny skies and 5 to 6 celsius in the south, four degrees in the north, making it a little less cold compared with tuesday, but with a stronger breeze, it might feel just as chilly then the breeze that drops out on wednesday nights with clear skies. for many, it's going to be another frosty night widely . once again, frosty night widely. once again, there'll be some icy patches around first thing thursday and temperatures across the country away from coastal areas, a degree or two below freezing. but into thursday morning, we've got an area of cloud and light rain pushing into that's just

brushing the southwest. and there'll be further sleet and snow showers into the north of scotland, along with a brisk wind the north. but in between actually for many, it's a fine day. on thursday, sunny spells , day. on thursday, sunny spells, but still feeling quite chilly . but still feeling quite chilly. friday brings thicker cloud into the west, but also we'll see air spreading in later.

good evening. it's the first bold thing rishi sunak's done . bold thing rishi sunak's done. yes, he's going to veto nicola sturgeon's equalities legislation. we'll was he right to do so? came to get your views another horrendous case from the metropolitan police a serial rapist but hundreds more police officers under investigation. what is going wrong with our police forces? and joining me on