8:00. and i'm laurence fox. we have an action packed wild show for you today. have an action packed wild show for you today . coming up as for you today. coming up as a school report concerned parent to social services for the crime of raising questions about gender identity. we'll be discussing whether it's the state's right to get involved . state's right to get involved. these matters at all later on. following on from our discussion yesterday about getting outside for the sake of our own mental health, we'll be talking to psychotherapist j. thomas and all a fan of sedate, calm? all you a fan of sedate, calm? no i mean, yes. no, i'm not. and his new expansion of ulez . or his new expansion of ulez. or perhaps you don't live in london and couldn't care less. well, no traffic policies are spreading across the country. and former tory mayoral shaun bailey is a legend this here to give his take. and just to rounded it off if he's not 2022 was the year of cake. think again. the food standards agency chief has compared cake into the office to . passive smoking. i love this world. tonia buxton will here to take a look at all the madness .

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personnel needs to be addressed immediately. i think the vetting processes have been significantly strength and over the past couple of years and this particular individual would not have passed those vetting processes today. but what we want to do is make sure that there aren't serving police officers at any stage in their career or indeed staff in police forces who shouldn't be there . forces who shouldn't be there. as nurses in england stage a two day strike, the labour leader urged the prime minister today admit the nhs is in crisis. members of the royal college of nursing from 55 nhs trusts are walking out in a long running dispute over pay and patient safety. thousands of operations and appointments are expected to be cancelled . and 10,000 be cancelled. and 10,000 ambulance workers will strike in the coming weeks as part of their ongoing dispute over pay and staffing levels. paramedics emergency care assistants and call handlers from the gmb union

will all walk out on the 6th of february and the 20th of march following what it says is no action from the government and the national education union says. the national education union says . teachers are also planning says. teachers are also planning to walk out for seven days across february and march after no real progress on pay had been made . now the rate at which made. now the rate at which pnces made. now the rate at which prices are rising has slowed for the second month in a row. but the second month in a row. but the cost of some food has hit a 45 year high. the office for national statistics says the rate of inflation fell to 10.5% in december. that's down 10.7 the month before. it says falling fuel prices were largely behind the slowdown, with the average petrol cost down by 8.3 pence a litre since last month's . and lastly, police say a missing couple and their newborn baby enough cash to allow them to stay off grid . mark gordon to stay off grid. mark gordon constant martin and their

newborn baby so far been missing for 11 days. were last traced to a taxi in essex which was heading for london. mr. gordon is a sex offender while ms. martin from a wealthy aristocratic family. the police worry that ms. and the baby have not had enough medical attention since gave birth at the port of doveris since gave birth at the port of dover is warning ferry services between dover and calais will be suspended tomorrow due to a national strike in france. p&o ferries say it's produced and optimised sailing schedule light of the 24 hour strike known in france as the national day of action . the port has said is action. the port has said is still open services running to dunkirk but advises travellers to allow extra time for journeys across channel. that's it. you're up to date on tv, online and, dab plus right here with gb news. and now it's time for laurence fox .

laurence fox. welcome back . now i realise that welcome back. now i realise that most newspapers exist to troll population the old if it bleeds, it leads mantra etc. kicking off today with stories get us all talking, reading, clicking and commentating. so it was nice that this morning's papers delivered another glorious dose of direct gold . a woman called of direct gold. a woman called patricia chalmers was transferring her daughter, esme, sportswear from a school bag to the washing machine when she came across a note from his french teacher addressed to someone called lex chalmers. cufious someone called lex chalmers. curious concerned and somewhat suspicious about this mistake. having noticed this man had started to dress in baggy hoodies and jeans and cut her hair into a short. she phoned the school to see what was up and to be told that it was a simple error by the receptionist. but knowing that her daughter and knowing that she depression

she suffered depression and anxiety unable autistic anxiety and is unable autistic spectrum, made a further, spectrum, she made a further, more inquiry seeking more formal inquiry seeking clarification that the school were calling her daughter by her actual name as the school left it 24 hours before getting back to let patricia know that they had socially transitioned. as may, patricia , a daughter into may, patricia, a daughter into lex who had no particular agenda whatsoever and was now using the they them pronouns , they didn't they them pronouns, they didn't even bother to consult with akamai's mother because the actions were in line with the school's new diversity, equity and inclusion policy. my favourite three words patricia , favourite three words patricia, was absolutely gob . this is just was absolutely gob. this is just one of an ever increasing number of similar cases where often neurodivergent or autistic young people or those suffering from mental health conditions have been by schools during been groomed by schools during the vulnerable years of the most vulnerable years of their life into dispensing with reality and replacing it with fantasy. in other cases, parents have been reported to social

services for daring to take issue with these indoctrination facilities for. many used to teach and care for our kids in loco parentis. when did we go from the school having to find a to ask permission to give the child some calpol to the school , phoning the parent to let them that jack had decided he was actually going to be jill from now on and the parent fears didn't come into it whatsoever. to me utter madness . so what is to me utter madness. so what is attack on parents, the family more broadly? all about? why is the state out by deranged rc and psa g curriculum parents pushing a very narrow ideological onto children and in the process undermining that crucial relationship of trust between parent and child . now i get that parent and child. now i get that all families different and there's no such thing as the perfect one. some people have horrible families. some people don't even have families. but the family and parents exist for a reason. and study after study reveals that it's the best place

for kids and be guided for kids to grow and be guided in love and have the most likely chance and a fulfilling life. and i also get that kids need lots of different views and ideasin lots of different views and ideas in order work their way through the joys and sufferings that throw them. that life will throw at them. but why such a heavy emphasis on the single narrative of diverse city equity and inclusion , lgbtq city equity and inclusion, lgbtq passports, elementary stuff? it's everywhere. it's street signs, zebra crossings, posters blogs, atm screens, supermarkets , companies, car dealerships and. now classrooms. why i'll tell you why. because the family , imperfect and broken , as many , imperfect and broken, as many are along with religion, often is the last line of defence against full state control over you and your life . dodson mums you and your life. dodson mums pass onto their children, wisdoms and wrongs . they learn wisdoms and wrongs. they learn from their parents before them . from their parents before them. like evolution, each parent takes from their own childhood experience and tries to the

experience and tries to the experience of for when they have kids of their own. it's how individuals are made . individuals are made. individuals kids take in so much in early years to form their character . and then the huge character. and then the huge amount of that is from their mum and their dad, which is unique to every child and makes every child. unique kids grow. they make friends. child. unique kids grow. they make friends . they fall in love make friends. they fall in love for the first time. they get hormonal, grumpy for a bit, and then they come out other side as adults, ready to, start. oh, wonderful conundrum again. wonderful conundrum over again. life in all its rich . every life in all its rich. every family is as different as all the children in it. family is as different as all the children in it . and that is the children in it. and that is powerful . values of hugely powerful. values of hugely between families. but it is how individuals are made and communities are formed . and how communities are formed. and how nafions communities are formed. and how nations are built . individuals nations are built. individuals with different opinions coming together to express themselves , together to express themselves, which is sadly rather inconvenient for the state, which to justify its very existence, relies on convincing

people it needs, not just to exist , but to grow ever larger people it needs, not just to exist, but to grow ever larger . exist, but to grow ever larger. that's what's so egregious about the secretive, sneaky forcing its way into the family unit, tearing it apart. if you can't your parents, who can you your parents, then who can you trust you can trust us. the trust? you can trust us. the state in england. some switched on. parents still have the right to remove their kids from all of this diverse equity and inclusion, gender, ideology , inclusion, gender, ideology, modern narrative. but in wales they have no such right as a judge ruled on the 22nd of december last year against parents who didn't want their kids sexualised as they saw it at such young age. so in wales at such a young age. so in wales the state become the the state has become the ultimate over children's ultimate arbiter over children's lives, superseding parents. those of us who still believe in the primary role of parents and the primary role of parents and the broader family in our children's upbringings will be good to wake up to what is being hammered kids heads hammered into our kids heads whilst at work under the whilst we're at work under the guise of kindness inclusion guise of kindness and inclusion . because if every child is being taught the same thing day after year after year, our

after day, year after year, our kids won't grow up to be individuals. they will grow up to become servants of the state. but first, i'd you who is ultimately responsible for a child's education? the state or parents? email your views at gb news. the uk or tweet me lots of thoughts . i'm joined now thoughts. i'm joined now to discuss this with journalist and broadcaster some down to some. good evening. hello who should have ultimate responsibility over children , parents or the over children, parents or the state of ? such a broad after state of? such a broad after such a broad monologue? okay i mean, it all depends whether you want to homeschool your children or you want them to be part of the national curriculum whereby they would obviously make friends with other kids at school , have a normal school school, have a normal school life or you want to be like

these parents in wales . listen these parents in wales. listen to misinformation and decide that their kids are being indoctrinated and that obviously wasn't the case. the judge ruled that they were coming coming at them with misinformation thinking knew what the curriculum was and they obviously don't. and, you know, and judge ruled that it was fine. there was no indoctrination. as we've discussed before, teaching kids that it's okay to feel certain way. certainly doesn't. indoctrinating doing anything . indoctrinating doing anything. yeah, but you're still answering my question. it shouldn't be up to the state or the parents. you know , where does the know, where does the responsibility ultimately ? well, responsibility ultimately? well, it depends. it depends complete depends on the subject that you're about. mean, you're speaking about. i mean, in this of what i was in this in this of what i was referring to earlier, where the whether the didn't know that feels to me like that's intervention . that was a that intervention. that was a that was a daily mail article which i also read myself . and obviously also read myself. and obviously the name has been i mean, who knows where that story came ? and knows where that story came? and we also don't know about this.

the home life she might have been some, you know, religious nut who decided that , you know, nut who decided that, you know, that her daughter would be allowed back in the house she allowed back in the house if she was boy, etc, etc. but you don't every every case has to be taken on a case by case basis and is protected by the equality act. and don't know is and it. what i don't know is that. yeah know, that's that. yeah but you know, that's that's okay . protected that's okay. protected characteristics fine . but characteristics are fine. but let's be honest like any religion has exactly had the best track record when it comes to child. that's true. but religion is also reformed itself and, you know, has it. yeah. well, anyway, let's get let's get we what do we get onto what we what do we agree about. what do you think we can agree about in this area? well, think we agree well, i think we agree on ground. and agree about it ground. you and i agree about it . we're looking after kids. looking after kids and letting kids the chance kids giving kids the best chance , kids all tools they , giving kids all tools they need to make their own decision about certain things . like about certain things. like i said, with with this know with what we're talking about, with the with the welsh thing is that in the curriculum, they are just being told that it's okay to be

this way, it's okay to be that way if you're not way, you probably will listen to the lesson. but if you are, then you'd be like, oh my goodness, that speaks to me. so that speaks to me. and so therefore you would therefore and i know you would agree with this, like making kids feel safe surely the kids feel safe is surely the most thing. yeah is most important thing. yeah is there argument to that by there an argument to that by saying , you know, i can saying that, you know, i can remember being young and. no i can't just about not far in the distance. but i remember very confused about a lot of things . confused about a lot of things. yeah. and i suppose where i'm coming from is a duty of care issue is that i've got no issue with anybody becoming who they want to be. yeah i really want people to be , they want to be as people to be, they want to be as an but could you ever an adult, but could you ever risk if we all keeping this stuff quite narrow? we are. yeah, read my own schools, yeah, i've read my own schools, psa, g and rc . that you might psa, g and rc. that you might take a gay kid and push kid towards a trans. i didn't what i think was the nobody's pushing anybody towards anything else i mean like this is so much rhetoric about this at the

moment that people and i know we've spoken about this before about some sort of, you know, like everyone is under the thrall of trans lobby . thrall of the trans lobby. they're trying to like, you they're just trying to like, you know, more kids to be trans, know, get more kids to be trans, which is never the it would never have the case. like never have been the case. like nobody you know, this is nobody like, you know, this is the difficult situation for a child adult to be child or an adult to be trans are all like no one's going are all so like no one's going wish that upon somebody else. what want do is if you what they want to do is if you do feel like that, then you're okay. there's there's okay. and there's and there's and you can, and there's ways that you can, you go through life and you know, go through life and make make sure you live the make it make sure you live the life way you want to, life the way you want to, whether want to go one way whether you want to go one way or the other way or go one or go the other way or go one way and then decide you want to change later on. there is the ability to do you think that ability to do. do you think that trans is a hardware issue or software issue? i'd gay trans is a hardware issue or soanare issue? i'd gay trans is a hardware issue or soa hardwaree? i'd gay trans is a hardware issue or soa hardware issue,'d gay trans is a hardware issue or soa hardware issue, but gay trans is a hardware issue or soa hardware issue, but i gay trans is a hardware issue or soa hardware issue, but i would is a hardware issue, but i would say my gay friends , they were say my gay friends, they were born gay . they've always been born gay. they've always been 93v- born gay. they've always been gay. they don't read any other way. whereas trans history to me it's like different things. you think maybe more of the think it's maybe more of the same? would. same? no, i think it would. i think would be the same thing think it would be the same thing because obviously people

because obviously most people would born in would say they were born in the wrong body. i know. but there are so many different wrong bodies be to like 96 bodies to be born in to like 96 different genders or how many. there fine. well, different genders or how many. thereallow fine. well, different genders or how many. thereallow people. fine. well, different genders or how many. thereallow people. allownell, different genders or how many. thereallow people. allow people then allow people. allow people to their own way. surely to find their own way. surely give them give them the options and find their own and the tools to find their own way know not not way and know we're not and not spend time saying like spend so much time saying like you shouldn't way. you you shouldn't be this way. you shouldn't be that way like you're you're you're you're going you're going going to you're going to be a groomer. you're going to be a. like, mean, like awful for like, i mean, like how awful for people. how awful for people who always this. of course. of always say this. of course. of course are. you've it course they are. you've said it before of in one of your before in one of in one of your monologues, you you've monologues, how you you've you've applied queens you've applied drag queens with groomers, when groomers, etc. when like when it's rhetoric that it's not helpful and it certainly isn't helpful and it certainly isn't helpful adults helpful and it certainly isn't helpfiknow, adults helpful and it certainly isn't helpfiknow, there's adults helpful and it certainly isn't helpfiknow, there's these adults helpful and it certainly isn't helpfiknow, there's these these . you know, there's these these are people who are trying to live their lives quietly for the most of the time because they, you know, the risk the risk it takes, the walk of your takes, the walk out of your house a trans person compared house as a trans person compared to like else is the to like anybody else is the roof. so let's be better to try to make their lives easier. yeah, but is it okay to slightly

uncomfortable that a child is putting dollar bills in, the bra of a man ? i mean, but it's okay of a man? i mean, but it's okay to feel uncomfortable. what about the dollar bills that we live in? we live in england, so we don't have dollar bill starters. so all of well, i mean, like, you know, i'd love to see this as as we discussed, like, i mean, you know, you've taken kids to panto. it's exactly the same thing. i mean, this has been going on for decades and decades . this decades and decades. this country and i can i would certainly , know, should be certainly, you know, should be firm everything. so should be. so you're saying that if someone wants to be this person, affirm it. if someone up to me and it. so if someone up to me and goes, want to commit suicide, goes, i want to commit suicide, should be if in a child. and should be if not in a child. and of course, no, not doing is damaging and not damaging to themselves and not they, you know, changing or they, you know, they changing or adding your own adding young person your own body. want to you're not. body. you want to you're not. but think they're but they think they're not allowed to do that at 14, at 12 or anything. but you have do things like five or six years and going through it until until they themselves they they decide for themselves they want it. and obviously, as want to do it. and obviously, as i before, it's this is

i said before, it's like this is a by basis have to a case by case basis have to look at and you have to look at everybody individually . every everybody individually. every artist, at least you know, tends to do loads and loads of genders. but there's also like millions of people, everybody is individual. have to take individual. you have to take everybody, know their word. everybody, you know their word. well, know like the well, you know i just like the fact that can talk about fact that we can talk about it and don't each other. and we don't judge each other. and likewise and i respect you so for coming on and so much for coming on and talking me. thank for talking to me. thank you for coming thank lovely to see coming. thank you. lovely to see you.thank coming. thank you. lovely to see you. thank you, sir. i'm now coming up in the spirit of our discussion yesterday with matt hayes. and hayes. what a lovely man. and we're discussing we're going to be discussing mental health with psychotherapist jade thomas. you won't to miss. i will see won't want to miss. i will see you in drew .

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depression , borderline depression, borderline personality disorder. there's a mental health condition for everyone . modern britain, where everyone. modern britain, where almost many traumas as genders haven't . we know that's a bit haven't. we know that's a bit cynical, but this is a serious matter. of course, many out there are suffering, but also many of these disorders are sort of new. can't really be the case that we simply didn't notice them until a few decades ago. have we just rebranded age old melancholia or does my sadness have something to do with our modern lifestyles? the atomised little smartphone addicts that we have become, perhaps too, we need to be more aware of the mental benefits getting back to nature. as matt said nature. as matt hay said yesterday. well who better to discuss this with me than discuss this all with me than jane thomas, psychologist and psychotherapist at the private therapy clinic . good evening, therapy clinic. good evening, jade , there were 24. thank you jade, there were 24. thank you for having me . my pleasure. for having me. my pleasure. there were 21.4 million people prescribed antidepressants in a two month period last year. is that the answer to this mental

crisis that we seem to be going through ? it's a difficult one through? it's a difficult one andifs through? it's a difficult one and it's very much a case by case basis. yes. and some people find that medication is really beneficial for them. some people find that psychologic therapy is also really beneficial . and some also really beneficial. and some people actually find that both are really beneficial use together. so it is really a case by case basis in terms of whether medication is the answer , where do you where do you begin when you when you meet a patient? are you assessing number one, simply on a case by case basis or or is there a piece of advice you someone after their first consultation with you that will help straightaway. what's the best bit can give it? bit of advice you can give it? again, it is very much a case by case basis. it completely depends what the client or patient is presenting with and also what their goals for therapy . some people just want therapy. some people just want to understand themselves better and what they're going through, but some also want to have some strategies or coping skills. so

it really does depend and depends with if they're coming in depression, if they're coming in depression, if they're coming in with anxiety , if they're in with anxiety, if they're coming in with personality disorder, it really depends . so disorder, it really depends. so it's hard to, i suppose, give it a clear cut answer straight away and that's why we've got to have and that's why we've got to have an initial session and there's lots of conversations that go pnor lots of conversations that go prior to even seeing the client, for example , are there is for for example, are there is for example, i was saying yesterday because i was feeling down at christmas that exercise really helped me is that sort of down in the book is something that will be useful as a as a first piece of advice for someone to go in and get out there in the outdoors breathing some fresh that will help go for a walk definitely you know all those self—care things that you've just mentioned exercise outside eating well sleeping well these are all things are almost the first page in the textbook in terms of what will help to

promote better wellbeing and better mental health. but obviously we know that it's not as easy that these days there's as easy that these days there's a lot of traumas that people have also gone through. so it's not as easy as just prioritising self—care , but it's a great self—care, but it's a great place to start . and do you think place to start. and do you think is anything to be said for, you know, almost the opposite approach and becoming more stiff upper lips like they were in the olden days? or are we do we benefit from exploring and examining trauma ? is there any examining trauma? is there any benefit, stoicism ? do benefit, stoicism? do definitely. i mean, you know , definitely. i mean, you know, i'm a psychotherapist, so my perspective on it is that actually talking about it is the best and the best remedy . so best and the best remedy. so there's definitely know if people different views. but my view would be that actually if you bottle that up and you have that stiff upper lip that actually it's going to come out in other areas of your life that you might not notice. so it's a

tidal wave bubbling over. you're going to notice it, perhaps come out now in your relationship. so might notice that come out at work, areas your life work, the areas of your life potentially that might you might not think impacted it, but you might start to notice that your irritability slightly higher or that your anxiety really high. and actually, sometimes when we unpick all that and that's the work of therapy, we then understand that actually maybe that boils down to previous trauma you've experienced. so it's really important to explore that and talk about it, to give clients and patients understandings . do you think understandings. do you think that there is a link between, you know, the emergence smartphone, smart technology, fast lives, the fact that you can communicate remotely with everybody and you can't really opt out and take a rest. do you think that plays a big part in it as well ? i think it really it as well? i think it really can do because it's really difficult for us to switch off these days where. we have so

much access to lots information as well. you know, we're getting notifications constantly of updates about what's going on the world. we're getting notifications about what's going on with people in our life. so it's really hard for us to actually switch off. and i suppose going back to yesterday's show, that's part of being out in nature that can be really helpful because it does allow you that time to actually switch off particularly you choose to maybe leave your phone at home. i definitely think it plays impact too, because plays an impact too, because we've got we've got much more access things these days . access to things these days. well, thank you much, jade, for coming and talking to me. well, thank you much, jade, for coming and talking to me . coming coming and talking to me. coming up, we'll be talking about siddique khan's new letters, corruption scandal and the greater impact of low traffic zones across the uk. it starts in london. you're guaranteed to get it in bradford or not. is it is it a day when you lose situation ? to discuss this, i'll situation? to discuss this, i'll be joined by lecturer in sustainable construction climate change john grant on, the former tory mayoral candidate, shaun

bailey .

welcome back. well, this is people's channel, so let's channel the people. we asked you who is responsible for a child's education, the state or the parents? let's see what you've had to say . lee weston says had to say. lee weston says parents with authority , parents with authority, responsibility, absolutely . i responsibility, absolutely. i agree with that. sheila says , agree with that. sheila says, parents, we are not in china. this is true. if child can have an abortion or change sex without even telling you , then without even telling you, then what's the point in having parents all tech complex question many of course they parents. however, most parents that they do not have the expertise entrust it to the state. the state provides training people to conduct said

parents then sometimes forget entrusted it to the state. wow, that's a great sentence , john that's a great sentence, john says. depends if as a parent you're capable to educate your child's children or not. but i think it's a parent's responsibility to pass on the values that they learned from their own parents to their own children in. return it's all self defence gains to state. one treaty says the relationship between parents and children and the state is of trust. the the state is one of trust. the parents have to their offspring and the trustee of the education to received . the son or to be received. the son or daughter society a whole are daughter in society a whole are the beneficiaries . that's true. the beneficiaries. that's true. if the children are being taught a range of views and a very broad range of views and ideas, but i think they're being taught very driven down this very, very narrow path. right so over the past few , since the over the past few, since the beginning of the pandemic , one beginning of the pandemic, one can't help but feel that an attitude has developed our politicians whereby no longer feel the need to consult the people on certain matters. it seems certain truths are held be self—evident. well recently been alleged that sadiq khan turpin

sadiq turpin sadiq khan manipulated public to consultation process when it came to the expansion his infamous ulez expansion . in 59% infamous ulez expansion. in 59% of respondents in the consultation process oppose the expansion . khan gave the green expansion. khan gave the green light anyway . he always does, light anyway. he always does, doesn't he? which you might think is bad enough, but it turns more than 5000 votes to exclude it from the process that fings exclude it from the process that rings bell. if they hadn't, if rings a bell. if they hadn't, if they had been included. the total opposition have total opposition would have amounted 60% of amounted to over 60% of respondents. low traffic have begun to take effect. all this country, not just london , country, not just london, everywhere from land's insane to john o'groats, many have argued this would be better for the environment for reducing pollution and for less congested cities. fair enough cities. well, yeah, fair enough . but let's have the debate instead. so me now senior lecturer, sustainable construction climate john construction and climate john grant and one man who's had plenty of run ins with the mayor joins me . well, the former tory joins me. well, the former tory mayoral candidate , shaun bailey. mayoral candidate, shaun bailey. good evening. of evening. good evening. both of evening.

right let's stop that start with you, john, today, do you these are no traffic policies are undemocratic as proved by the stats i just read out . well, it stats i just read out. well, it did take there is a democratic issue here , but there's also the issue here, but there's also the health of the people that are being affected by by transport. and, you know , when here in and, you know, when here in sheffield we're losing 500 people a year through the pollution produced by vehicles and the idea that we vote whether or not people should die i'm sorry that that's i just don't don't really see that i think we need to protect not vote whether or not happy about using our cars or not because of course you're not going to be happy about not using your car. did die of pollution or with pollution it's that the evidence is that that the air quality reduction is due to vehicles cost sheffield 500 people a yeah cost sheffield 500 people a year. that's that's what the data says okay shouldn't you uncovered this should be about

it all week and what do you think about what city has done. look the evidence is clear. sadiq khan could conducted serious misconduct he lied to londoners . and if before i get londoners. and if before i get into that let me just take your point on sadiq khan's own study says that will cause a negligible effect on the air quality in outer london. but would it absolutely crush the poorest people? there's environmental factors that can kill you, poverty being one of them. and this will lead to a lot of people living in poverty. it's poverty. so let's be clear about this. he was asked on a number of occasions did know the result of , the consultation result of, the consultation before he his decision. and he said no he repeatedly said no. and now has turned up that says actually he did know and the only did you know. he then went about manipal relating to data to fix his argument. and i actually think that the result he came up with after fix that is still overwhelming evidence. and that's the real crux of the matter here. nobody wants anybody to die of anything,

least of air pollution. but it isn't about air pollution , it's isn't about air pollution, it's about and it's about about honesty and it's about impact . and this case, ali impact. and in this case, ali khan wrong, very wrong . thank khan is wrong, very wrong. thank you, john. i get the feeling, and i'd like you prove me wrong, that that there is a sense that the is let's get people out of their cars and let's get them onto public transport. if we can't get them on public transport, we're going to make it so expensive to get in your car that you're not going to want to get into it anyway. what you say that this is just taxation in the name of salvation. well there are some points you mention there, but and what the problem we have here is that our public transport system outside london is just appallingly funded . the is just appallingly funded. the evidence out here in the sticks is that for every pound spend on pubuc is that for every pound spend on public transport, you get about £4 delivered into local economy. so this idea of poverty and

affecting the poorest people is just wrong. it might not be the case in london. i'm not sure about the data in london, but certainly out here, you know, if you invest in public transport, you invest in public transport, you improve the economy. what you improve the economy. what you is improve you don't do is improve the turnover the buses. and since turnover of the buses. and since we a bus system , then the we have a bus system, then the buses are trying to make a profit. not that they're trying to improve the economy. so poorer people are better off with better public transport and, you know, and car use and low car, you cities is just a fund or part of a city you know it's been shown that you know pedestrians rising centres improve economy there and the health of people once they moving and you mentioned yourself removing congestion allows people who need to that cost to be more effective . i'm cost to be more effective. i'm not anticorps i'm just pro human here i want people to be better

off and i've said what you're saying what you're saying makes sense if it's administered fairly and if it's administered on the basis of evidence and. why? what's happening in london is very important. even if you look at andy burnham comments, he was the one who said you can't just tax people out their cars with diesel and you've got to give people incentive to to give people an incentive to get of their car, not force get out of their car, not force out of their car. here in london , we're being forced out of our cars. and if you if you set somewhere else in a contract in scunthorpe, and think scunthorpe, leeds and you think this irrelevant you know, this is irrelevant to you know, it what happens is it be it isn't, what happens is it be done london. we use that done here in london. we use that as justification then it as justification and then it will upon you and will be foisted upon you and people will do things your people will do things to your community as the kindness community as to the kindness done here, clear, he's done here, let's be clear, he's own study said it will make a negative effect on air quality . negative effect on air quality. yet several studies have shown it will end 20% of small businesses. and if you do anything communities it's small businesses take risks on younger people and older people who would find it harder get a job

out of one of the big corporations. a fundamental stuff to our communities. but all if you are environmentalist, what need is politicians who are in environmental policies to tell you the truth. because when don't they lose the public . don't they lose the public. everybody wants to lower congestion . everybody wants good congestion. everybody wants good pubuc congestion. everybody wants good public transport. but actions like this miss like this don't help the case negligible impact . john, what your response? i mean it's difficult i'm unfamiliar with the report there like i said i'm only familiar with which sheffield i'm not a specialist in in in in london's after london's air quality and but what i do know is that we can't continue with cars being king in our cities and you are quite right i don't deny this is a package of required procedures that we need and reducing cars

is i think , actually should be is i think, actually should be the second one. you're quite right. i think public transport needs to be okay from my point of view, i think public transport needs to be run for free. this is not just a public service, not a business. and once that's done, then well, i'm afraid then i would start to punish drivers are unwilling to transport you probably. let's be clear. it's not that we disagree about. clear. it's not that we disagree about . advocacy of public about. advocacy of public transport particularly in london. we are blessed . we love london. we are blessed. we love our transport system and we understand how it works. but if you're going to charge the poorest londoners, i'm talking about pensioners need to get to hospital. i'm talking about school. about small school. i'm talk about small businesses need to survive. businesses that need to survive. you're going to charge them and use as the use the environment as the catalyst you better be telling the and he's and that's the truth. and he's and that's the truth. and he's and that's the important thing . we in the important thing. we in london what it's like to, london know what it's like to, have things to make have to trade things to make city work. london's enormous when the central ulez brought in people accepted and actually welcomed it but this is a very different feet and that's why

we're desperate to our city call turn this around because let's be clear he misled turn this around because let's be clear he mis led the people of london he sat in front of london assembly members and said that he didn't know the results of the cultural, and he did. and then went about manipulating then he went about manipulating them. and i, for one, thinks that weakens the whole cause of the . look, for the green brigade. look, for instance, if you really want it to the air quality in to affect the air quality in london is to pick things you do more about boilers because people have poor air quality in their old their house because of old boilers more about boilers and it's more about heathrow if look at heathrow which is if you look at our heat map, a real hotspot of poor air quality. and let's be clear he's put aside 400 million quid this. he's going to quid for this. he's going to spend 200 million quid on on on cameras. what would you do if i gave you two or million quid gave you two or 3 million quid to improve the air quality? what would it would be this would you do? it would be this all out with under all i'd hang out with under tight anyway, last word to you, john. well you know, i'm not here to say to defend sadiq khan . that's certainly not my agenda at all. if he lied, then he

deserves to be punished about that. deserves to be punished about that . and, you know, if anybody that. and, you know, if anybody lives in politics as far as i'm concerned, they deserve to be punished . what i'm interested in punished. what i'm interested in here is that whole package i gas boilers out of people's homes and homes to be insulated and to deliver on a zero carbon agenda . this climate change thing is not going away car transport is a key part of that. i'm not sure about london but it isn't the poorest people that drive here in in it. well we can't we can't generalise about who doesn't drive or whether cars or are not a privilege. i've got to wrap it up, gentlemen. thank you very much for joining up, gentlemen. thank you very much forjoining me. i must read this statement. a spokesman for the mayor sent us tfl takes its responsibility to run robust and legally compliant consultations extremely seriously with an independent consultancy together. the final analysis report and any suggestion tfl or the mayor has sought to

influence the results of ulez consultation is simply untrue . consultation is simply untrue. coming up, a story cakes but not bofis coming up, a story cakes but not boris johnson . who knew this was boris johnson. who knew this was possible . tonia buxton is here . possible. tonia buxton is here. and don't miss it. boxer.

welcome back . bringing your welcome back. bringing your homemade victoria sponge into the office a friday should be viewed as taboo as passive smoking . apparently, that's smoking. apparently, that's according professor susan jebb , according professor susan jebb, head commissioner of the food standards food busybodies don't have exactly the greatest track record, do they? they've spent decades pushing high carb diets on us , telling us eggs are on us, telling us eggs are unhealthy and the processed sugary frosted flakes . the model sugary frosted flakes. the model to weight is not your day. you

think they're being humble bye bye now? well lucky viewers, we don't have cake for you. yes we do.she don't have cake for you. yes we do. she went i mean, certainly some, but we do have a treat for you. restaurant also present an all round legend . tonia buxton all round legend. tonia buxton is here. this one over tonya convict . yes. so these are 100 convict. yes. so these are 100 and chocolate with a salted caramel topping . i saw you caramel topping. i saw you earlier. i ran home, bake them, brought them back to you. what do you make of it? well, it just doesn't make the noise. i'll the thing is, is we are so sick of being bad and told what to do in this way. that's. that's the mistake that she made. there is, though, something to be said about being misinformed. that's the only caveat i would give her is that we have been we have been constantly and utterly when it comes what to eat. so i'm lucky i studied nutrition . i was lucky i studied nutrition. i was younger. i'm a nutritionist. i what i know what to do. but if

you follow the nhs guidelines , you follow the nhs guidelines, what to eat. even now that it was the eat well plate and it's now the eat well guide. the original eat well plate had a full fat coconut . you know it full fat coconut. you know it did. yes but they they they on tobacco and stuff like that . tobacco and stuff like that. they they touch us into co—existing. it's bad for us. why shouldn't they touch us on cake? so it's always going to be bad because. you're adults. there's a big difference. not bad tools. very good bad for you. tools. very good for is it? yeah. well got for you, is it? yeah. well got a little bit of sugar, but you can. you you can moderate that. the point is, is we are adults. why aren't you fat? tell me, why aren't you fat? i don't. i moderate the amount i because i also i just. i just don't know. i like being a bit hungry. i don't eat that much. so i am a glutton . my genetic genes are glutton. my genetic genes are big greek women and the reason that i'm not fat is because i take responsibility for my health and how i want to look. and that's what we should be guided on. we can be guided on it, but not told. you can be

guide on it if you do this this is going to happen. if you do that, this is to happen if you if you sit down and don't move then you're you know it's going to be very unhealthy you to be very unhealthy for you because true. sitting in a because it's true. sitting in a sedentary job is similar to smoking when. it comes to a health up and move health issue. so get up and move a bit, maybe get standing a bit, maybe get a standing desk, something else? but desk, do something else? but don't whether can don't tell me whether i can bnngin don't tell me whether i can bring in a cake to my colleagues. not that i've made myself. other would myself. the other caveat would be that that go and buy all be is that that go and buy all the rubbish supermarkets so the rubbish the supermarkets so the rubbish the supermarkets so the toxic the preservatives and toxic stuff that just stuff don't eat that stuff, just don't. rubbish. there don't. it is rubbish. is there an argument as we see you an argument that as we see you know, it's tragic to see know, it's really tragic to see really really heavily over weight children and stuff like that? yeah is there an argument to that? you know, look, let's let's go bring carrot sticks into the office on a friday instead. no that's the office. and it's adults . we're not and it's adults. we're not talking about adults . adults can talking about adults. adults can do as they please. you're old enough to do exactly as you please do. choose what you want. put in your mouth whether you want you have to understand want to. you have to understand that going to weight no

that it's going to weight or no gain watching this gain weight. i'm watching this carefully thoughtful. if you keep all, i'm starving . there's keep all, i'm starving. there's a whole other ball game . and a whole other ball game. and when we see obese children or very overweight children, i do think that those parents need be spoken to by someone who understands nutrition to, help them help their children to lose some weight or you know people not know what she's trying to do, though, but she's doing it to adults. there is a big difference. they have to be to adults. well know she's talking about bringing cakes the office she struggled when people cakes into the office because she felt was . you're an adult deal with was. you're an adult deal with it life is temptation you decide what you can do take responsibility for yourself. that's temptation. and what you've got to do. but a completely different ballgame when . it's children. so there is when. it's children. so there is there is a line to be crossed . there is a line to be crossed. but what she was talking about is , oh, don't let people bring is, oh, don't let people bring cakes in for their birthday in the office when we're all adults, it's completely ridiculous. stop telling us what to let us take responsibility

to do let us take responsibility for our lives. i feel like i've provided an appropriate devil's advocacy your position. so advocacy to your position. so now i'm going to with you 100. can just leave us alone miserable. so as is it's like can't we just get on with our lives? i mean, that is the point. i want to interfere all the time because they want to control us and bite by interfere and they control us. and that makes feel that they're makes them feel bad that they're doing what upsets doing something. but what upsets me most of all is even they do interfere like the eat well guide is wrong. they're guide. it is wrong. they're giving misinformation that upsets because so an adult i want to get some guidelines and i go and look at these guidelines they are incorrect they are full of carbohydrates and things that you do not need and things that you do not need a huge amount. and even in the protein section they don't they're saying pulses and grains, which are fantastic, but they're not proteins. they're not going to be good enough. as i as we get older, don't i as we get older, we don't absorb protein. then we absorb as much protein. then we can eating animal can do that is by eating animal proteins actually my always proteins actually. my mum always said that the thing was a

complete lie , the fat thing was complete lie, the fat thing was a complete lie . said sugar is a complete lie. said sugar is the yeah when she was a the problem. yeah when she was a nut. so it seems to me that this sort science will change. but what you're promoting is eating healthy, natural foods. know every much we know the best that you can is the mediterranean diet. actually, it's the greek diet. actually, it's the greek diet. the studies were done based in crete in the 1970s, and that's the way you eat. you eat a colourful diet, cook from scratch . if you really want to scratch. if you really want to do yourself a favour and be healthy and be well , learn a few healthy and be well, learn a few recipes and, cook them from scratch and if you do that, i promise you, you be better, you will feel better, and you'll lose some weight. but my mum taught me seven recipes for seven days of the week and my kids get them whether they like it tanya, thank you very it or not. tanya, thank you very much. right. professor jeb clarified. much. right. professorjeb clarified. oh, my lord . i clarified. oh, my lord. i shouldn't have done that. clarified comment. it was so good that and their relationship with the fsa policy. i want to make it very clear that the

views expressed in the times article are not those of the fsa board , nor do they reflect board, nor do they reflect current, planned or , planned fsa current, planned or, planned fsa policy in any way whatsoever . policy in any way whatsoever. right. now time for new little thing, which you worked. i came up with this idea, but let's see what happens. it's called fox on the spot. it's a new feature in my show where you put me on the spot and i have to answer your burning questions straightaway without think without having any time to think about you are about it. some of you are obviously another, so obviously nice to another, so let's what you've asked me. james says, you be running james says, will you be running for mayor again? for london mayor again? no, i won't. shaun bailey will and i'm going support the end going to support him to the end the he's amazing, man. the earth. he's amazing, man. sorry this. i've lots sorry about this. i've got lots of decorum my face and says, of decorum on my face and says, do you ever going on do you regret ever going on question no, i don't. question time? no, i don't. i don't regret going on question . don't regret going on question. i was there. i got to be fair. i did swap of money on a really nice career . did swap of money on a really nice career. but did swap of money on a really nice career . but ultimately nice career. but ultimately i got if not tongue in cheek. now let's go to dan wootton, who's next? what do you got for us? a word intriguing . that was from

word intriguing. that was from an i'm glad that you don't regret it, lawrence, because you would have never had this incredible journey. right? what do we have coming up today? well, lee anderson is in the studio. he gave an impact and speech in the house of commons yesterday against stirred tions gender recognition bill. he says this is all about independence so that's going to be a fascinating conversation. plus tom bower and samantha markle. you can guess who they are talking about lawrence oh, i can't wait . right well, that was can't wait. right well, that was great stuff done. thanks. and that's all for me . coming up that's all for me. coming up after the break is and you won't want to miss it. see tomorrow. hey, alex deakin here with the latest on update from the met office. it's cold and frosty again overnight and indeed for much of tomorrow. most places not seeing any showers. but where we are showers, they are a wintry mix of sleet, snow , hail, wintry mix of sleet, snow, hail, low pressure, just away from the

east. the winds still coming down from the north. a subtle shift in the wind direction bringing more showers into north wales northwest england. so wales and northwest england. so some possible here and some snow possible here and things could turn icy. we have a number of met office yellow warnings in place for snow and ice conditions also ice. icy conditions also possible across the southwest of england. for many central and eastern parts is just dry and clear and cold. minus two, minus three. to start the day. that's in towns and cities. rural spots significantly lower. so frosty starts to thursday, still some sleet and snow showers for north—west england. northwest isles, northern ireland and more snow coming in to northern scotland, although here maybe turning a little bit more to certainly close to coast . certainly close to coast. there'll be a bitter wind here . there'll be a bitter wind here. elsewhere out of the winds temperatures, struggling up above, freezing three or four degrees for most in the afternoon and in the sunny spells . but quickly, spells. but quickly, temperatures dropping back , temperatures dropping back, freezing through tomorrow evening. so again , fairly evening. so again, fairly extensive frost , still some

extensive frost, still some showers for north wales, northern ireland and particularly east and scotland. so again is likely to be a hazard on friday morning. fog is also likely some dense patches , also likely some dense patches, freezing fog across of northern england, north wales and northern ireland that could last for most of friday, but most of us on friday just dry fine and sunny. a bright, crisp winter's with temperatures stumbling up a degree or so, still below average , but actually with average, but actually with little breeze in the sunshine shouldn't feel bad. 5 to 6 celsius. so the cold weather persisting signs a change slowly. and i do mean slowly. milder air creeping in from the west, although the east will stay cold right through the weekend .

no no bias, no censorship. i'm dan wootton tonight with the treasury set to bank billions more than expected this year. could we be in for some pleasant surprises in the spring? well, don't hold your while, chairman hunt his hands on our post strings . there is still a long strings. there is still a long way to go . the battle against way to go. the battle against inflation . any country, anywhere inflation. any country, anywhere inflation. any country, anywhere in the world with inflation over 10% is seeing it at, frankly, dangerous levels. i'll implore hunt to ditch doomsday ism and revive low tax trusts in almost to save the tories from electoral oblivion . in my digest electoral oblivion. in my digest next that my superstar by way and tonight i'm joined by dawn neesom adam and ashley james. also coming up, will harry and meghan say for all nothing less than total from their enemies, including their own flesh and blood? well, it seems meghan biographer tom bower , king biographer tom bower, king charles is creating a danger path by considering reconciliation with the sussexes. he's live with me.

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