well, hello there . it's 6:00 on well, hello there. it's 6:00 on michelle dewberry and this is dewbs & co, the show where we'll dewbs& co, the show where we'll get into the things that have got you talking. if you were watching last night, you might recall that i tried to bring a bit of positivity to the country . i focusing on the recent . i was focusing on the recent economic figures there, not quite economic figures there, not quhe bad economic figures there, not quite bad as were predicted , quite as bad as were predicted, but i have to be honest, i'm pretty much on my own with a positivity vibe. when you were involved in that, did you celebrate anything? it felt like it a positive one outside of it was a positive one outside of who else wasn't watching. of

course, hoover course, at the hoover billionaire james dyson. he obviously didn't get my positivity memo because today he's the he's been slamming the government's economic policies, calling them stupid and short sighted. he says that growth has become a dirty word in this country. is he right? some of your thoughts on that and speaking of growing things , how speaking of growing things, how on earth do we get the english regions to start generating some growth? you know, levelling up, stepping up, gauging whatever the word is today? there's been another announcement, hasn't there? the levelling up money is divided opinion, though. some are saying that it's not going in the right places. where are the right places? all of us basically are going to think it's our home towns, our home cities. but is it who should decide and what should that process look like? do universities do they have an anti—semitism problem? last week, a report found a national union of students had, i quote, a hostile culture towards jews. now this week, we've got a report showing a rise in

anti—semitic attacks in universal cities. what on earth is going on? and let me ask you this. would you eight housemaids knowingly by the way, because i knowingly by the way, because i know a few of you might have eaten accidentally, but apparently some reports saying that it's going to be making a comeback in britain . it's all comeback in britain. it's all about the fact that beef , etc, about the fact that beef, etc, is quite expensive . horse is is quite expensive. horse is apparently cheaper if not for me. thank you very much. but would you eat it knowingly? i want your thoughts on all of that. but before we get into it, let's have a look at tonight's latest headlines . michelle, latest headlines. michelle, thank you and good evening to you. train companies have increased their offer to rmt rail workers , including a rail workers, including a minimum pay rise of 9% over two years. the rail delivery group says that's his best and final offer in order to prevent more strikes . it's now urging the rmt

strikes. it's now urging the rmt to put the offer to its members for a vote. meanwhile, rishi sunak has been apologising for removing his seat belt to film a social media clip in the back seat of a moving car. a video on instagram put out today shows the prime minister not using the safety device during a trip to the north of england. his spokesman says he made an error of judgement while promoting the latest round of levelling up spending. while the prime minister has been defending those plans today, arguing the most deprived areas will see most deprived areas will see most of the government funds. it's announced more than most of the government funds. it's announced more tha n £2 it's announced more than £2 billion will be invested over 100 projects across the uk . 100 projects across the uk. labour has criticised the plan, saying london and the south east will be getting most of the money. but mr. sunak insists that won't be the case. the north—west is the top region so the amount of money per person living that who came to north—west, who came second north—east and actually if you look down to the other end of the table, you find places like

london in the southeast and the difference is huge. so i think the funding that you're all getting per person out of this levelling up fund is twice per capha. levelling up fund is twice per capita . what london southeast is capita. what london southeast is getting. and that should give you guys a confidence that when we talk about delivering, levelling up and spreading opportunity across the country, that it . sir opportunity across the country, that it. sir keir that we really mean it. sir keir starmer , meanwhile, is in davos starmer, meanwhile, is in davos at the world economic forum . the at the world economic forum. the labour leader is looking to reassure global finance chiefs that britain will be open for business under a labour government. he pledged there'd be no new oil and gas investments in the uk if his party came to power. and he reserved criticism for the prime minister and chancellor for being absent. putting our prime minister should have showed up at davos. i absolutely do . and at davos. i absolutely do. and one of the things that's been impressed on me since i've been here is the absence of the united kingdom. but that's why it's really important that i'm here. and the shadow chancellor,

rachel reeves, is here as a statement of intent that should there be a change of government, ihope there be a change of government, i hope that will be the united kingdom will play its part on the global stage in a way i think it probably has done in recent years . two retired recent years. two retired metropolitan police officers are charged with child sex offences as part of an investigation into as part of an investigation into a serving met chief inspector who was found dead . 63 year old who was found dead. 63 year old jack addis from perthshire and 62 year old jeremy laxton from lincolnshire will both appear at westminster magistrates court on february the ninth. the met says the charges follow a lengthy and complex investiga fashion into richard watkinson . the 49 year richard watkinson. the 49 year old who was found dead in buckinghamshire last thursday on the day he was also due to be charged . the actor alec baldwin charged. the actor alec baldwin will be charged with involuntary manslaughter over the fatal shooting on the set of the film rust . cinematographer helena rust. cinematographer helena hutchins was killed during rehearsals in the us state of

new mexico when a prop gun baldwin was using fired a live round . the director, joel souza, round. the director, joel souza, was also injured in the shooting . mr. baldwin's lawyer has called the ruling a terrible miscarriage of justice and a british actor has been reported missing after going hiking in the mountains north of los angeles. gillian sands disappeared in the san gabriel mountains last friday during bad weather. ground rescue teams abandoned their search at the weekend because of avalanche risks. police say it will resume as soon as conditions improve. the 65 year old is perhaps best known for roles in films, a room with a view and leaving las vegas as well as tv appearances on 24 and small vale . here the on 24 and small vale. here the king has requested profits from a £1 billion wind farm deal but used for the wider public good rather than the royal family king charles has asked for the profits from six new offshore

wind farms being developed on crown estate land to be redirected to those struggling the most. it comes after his majesty highlight hit anxiety and hardship of the cost of living crisis in his christmas message . that's the news. you're message. that's the news. you're up to date on tv, online and dab radio with gb news snap back to michelle for dewbs& co . michelle for dewbs& co. thanks for that. follow along michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me here in the studio. i've got the panel. daniel moylan here is the former adviser to boris johnson and now adviser to boris johnson and now a life peer in the house of a tory life peer in the house of lords and darren bastion, a founder of novara media. welcome. you've done this show before, but not when i was on. so nice to meet you. happy new yeah so nice to meet you. happy new year. we'll have fair year. we'll have a new fair start on dewbs & co and you start way on dewbs& co and you know, and by the way, i've just

said bastion. it's not bastion. it's always tiny. don't worry about it. my father can't about it. oh, my father can't even stand the name, so even stand the first name, so don't stuff, kanya. i don't get the stuff, kanya. i will better. my dad will let will do better. my dad will let me think. good. i can get on well with your dad anyway. you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about us three here in the studio. about you at the studio. it's about you at home well. what's on your home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me. gb views at gb news uk of course is the news dot uk of course is the email or twitter. if your email or twitter. if that's your thing tweet at gb thing you can tweet me at gb news. you still use twitter ? news. do you still use twitter? it's my kind of it's not really my kind of thing. i try it's not really my kind of thing. itry use it's not really my kind of thing. i try use it, but thing. i try to use it, but i found it a bit of a hassle. but do you like it? any changes since elon musk got involved? give me your thoughts on that. you guys. never let me down, you guys. you never let me down, do apparently, taking do you? apparently, i'm taking you your you all back to your your christmas tonight's with my christmas is tonight's with my outfit says thanks outfit stephen says thanks michelle tributes. when michelle for the tributes. when i was 1970s wallpaper with your dress phil says my you send me all the way back to a new year's eve party at my parents house. that seventies wallpaper is being used as inspiration for

your dress . your lovely polish your dress. your lovely polish icon says . apparently my dress icon says. apparently my dress makes him want a showcase. well he's got a strange mind kong. but i'll leave it at that. so i was asking you by the way, would you eat housemaids? wouldn't, you eat housemaids? i wouldn't, but you , chris? you say it but would you, chris? you say it best. you say nay , eh? i like best. you say nay, eh? i like what you did the who else is quitting such david says you like venison, but it's too dear . i see what you did there. but horsemeat apparently. in all seriousness, people are turning to that, and increasingly so because beef, etc. is to expand service, that kind of thing . service, that kind of thing. give me all your thoughts. gb views gb news .uk. as i said, is the email address, but let's get into our top story, shall we? because yesterday i was trying very hard as a one woman party, basically to try and get some positivity about the economic goings on in this country. didn't have much joy, i have to say . and today, james dyson say. and today, james dyson clearly wasn't watching either , clearly wasn't watching either, because on the front of the

telegraph, he's basically come out and saying that the rishi sunak's economic policies struck , paid, short sighted . he says , paid, short sighted. he says that growth has become a dirty word, has aaron . it's an word, has aaron. it's an interesting debate, isn't it? because we've had multiple general elections since, let's say, 2008 global financial crisis . every say, 2008 global financial crisis. every party is promising growth. so i don't think it's become a dirty word. the important thing is none of them can deliver it. so i think that is the problem. we haven't really grown as an economy on a per head basis for what is now. yeah, getting 15 yeah, you're getting onto 15 years huge political years and it's a huge political problem for this country. we haven't model since haven't had a growth model since the global financial crisis. so for people out there watching says northern collapse, says northern rock collapse, basically. yeah basically. and those days, yeah and neither political party as we've seen so far has had the gumption and the ideas to address that. so we can debate whether or not it's become a dirty word. i don't think so , dirty word. i don't think so, but i don't think the problem here lies at the level of rhetoric. it lies the level of

policy and political will. and am i right in thinking that your social. yes, as opposed to a capitalist? i'm capitalist? well, i'm a socialist. i believe in markets for some things . and i certainly for some things. and i certainly i certainly think that, you know, markets and private firms should making things like should be making things like hoovers to, you hoovers. i wouldn't want to, you know, state, a state owned know, a state, a state owned firm hoovers . but the firm to make hoovers. but the state do some things in state can do some good things in some places like some important places like infrastructure, care, infrastructure, health care, education. had more of education. and if we had more of a model in this a socialist model in this country , do you think we'd have country, do you think we'd have better growth outlooks and prospects ? don't it's an prospects? i don't think it's an either i think i think in either or. i think i think in certain strategic areas, the state should clearly play a far bigger role. one of those, for instance, would be energy. i think we need higher energy security, less reliance on energy imports from overseas. the same with transport. i think we need high quality, low cost, pubuc we need high quality, low cost, public people public transport for people to get efficiently on get to work efficiently and on time, like in japan, not asking the world. so i think that should be a really big role for the state, like i say. and but secure areas. i don't want the state making hoovers or coffee mugs, but i do think it could do

a sight better. and like i say, education, housing, education, transport, housing, japan. education, transport, housing, japan . if you've never been to japan. if you've never been to japan, you're missing out. those bullet trains are absolutely spectacular and they run literally to the second on the time, almost 100% of the time . time, almost 100% of the time. lord moylan, they're not cheap . lord moylan, they're not cheap. they're not cheap. this is very true . karen seems to think the true. karen seems to think the reason we haven't grown . i reason we haven't grown. i didn't say the word cheap, did? yeah. he did. he said low cost. we should have honest sport like japan. no, no, no. i said we should have. we can have quicker trains like japan. you got a lower cost like italy, for instance. it's not exactly what you mind. come you said. never mind. we'll come back because you know, back to that because you know, all things we're willing all these things we're willing to trouble is, to pay for them. trouble is, nobody the left is willing to nobody on the left is willing to pay nobody on the left is willing to pay for them or explain how they're going to be paid for. but reason haven't grown but the reason we haven't grown in last 15 is very simple. in the last 15 is very simple. few reasons. is increased few reasons. first is increased socialism. we have socialism. effectively, we have the now disposing the state is now disposing of nearly income nearly half national income compared to something closer to 35. so we talk about growth, but

what we actually do is just take more and more money and spend it. second thing, that's gone wrong that all of that wrong is that during all of that period, let inflation period, we let inflation start to out control by having to get out of control by having excessively rates , excessively low interest rates, unnaturally low interest rates , unnaturally low interest rates, which meant that people carried on running businesses that should have gone out of business. and there was no incentive to start up new high risk businesses because you wouldn't them. wouldn't get a return on them. and the third thing is that we've got a government, i'm afraid , that prioritises fiscal afraid, that prioritises fiscal rectitude and balancing the books over a broader national interest and still thinks that if you have lower taxes , that in if you have lower taxes, that in itself will cause inflation . itself will cause inflation. doesn't understand that inflation is caused by bad monetary policy . that means monetary policy. that means interest rates rather than by where you set. and that's one of the things that james dyson is saying today, actually, isn't it, that he would like to see lower taxes and people will be shouting at their screens saying, course , business saying, of course, business people like james dyson want lower taxes because they just

want to increase their back pockets , profits. yeah, pockets, their profits. yeah, that's that that's so that's amazing that that's so many on the left, i'm many people on the left, i'm afraid, because i think ordinary people, at least the people watching screens, watching their screens, people watching their screens, people watching are watching their screens, are probably more sense. but probably got more sense. but it's amazing how the left has dumbed economic arguments dumbed down economic arguments so sensible and so that anything is sensible and is basically all is put forward, is basically all about personal corruption and the only people who are arguing for it you see this all the for it and you see this all the time, the people who are time, the only people who are arguing people who arguing for it are people who are trying to put something in their back pockets. there's a very strong why you want very strong reason why you want businesses well. companies very strong reason why you want bu do esses well. companies very strong reason why you want budo well, well. companies very strong reason why you want budo well, and well. companies very strong reason why you want budo well, and people companies very strong reason why you want budo well, and people wh0)anies very strong reason why you want budo well, and people who found to do well, and people who found businesses take genuine risk businesses and take genuine risk to do in this country to do well in this country because that is what growth means and if you're not willing to accept those things, you don't really want growth. it is just expression and just a rhetorical expression and we won't get it. and you i'll come back to that. yeah. a few things. i mean, you said there that we've had an adoption of socialism in the last 15 years. and at same the and at the same time, the problem has been fiscal conservativism, i.e. sound money, deficits. so money, not running deficits. so it a

it hasn't. but that's not a contradiction over the last few months, we've switched to fiscal plan. it's fair to say. months, we've switched to fiscal plan. it's fairto say. i months, we've switched to fiscal plan. it's fair to say. i think we'd all agree we've switched from printing money as fast as the presses could run, the printing presses could run, which was during covid which is how it was during covid through to fiscal conservatism. since last year. and then you say, well, we also have fiscal conservativism under the coalition government. think coalition government. i think nobody would dispute that. i would well, we more every would well, we spent more every year deficit well know what year the deficit well know what we of the we spent a percentage of the economy that doesn't economy fell and that doesn't really which i'm sure really happen, which i'm sure you're point to. you're very happy to point to. it up and up and up. and it goes up and up and up. and actually under the coalition, it did go down. then talk about did go down. then you talk about low rates, like low interest rates, which like say historically and say were historically low and they backed bad they had really backed bad negative externality. these consequences. negative externality. these consequenyou can agree or socialism. you can agree or disagree. you can like or dislike it's not socialism. dislike it. it's not socialism. no. terms in terms of the no. in terms of in terms of the growth stuff, there probably is some with us. i do some agreement with us. i do actually agree with what you're saying with regards to low interest rates. i think it's, you the chickens are you know, the chickens are coming roost that. coming home to roost on that. and when people do point and i think when people do point to corruption public life in to corruption in public life in this country in economy

this country and in the economy and in business, i think they're justified in doing so because there's a hell of a lot of it. now, i'm not gonna impugn the character of james dyson. i've never met the chap, but i do find it strange that this gentleman is lambasting the british when he's british economy when he's sitting believe sitting pretty. and i believe he's find he's based in singapore. i find that somewhat odd. maybe his finger isn't entirely on the pulse. the average person right now the uk can't spend money now in the uk can't spend money because they because inflation's high. they can't go out and buy the goods and that businesses and services that businesses want go out and buy. want them to go out and buy. well, that's number one well, maybe that's number one problem then got problem. problem then he's got a problem. but dyson or dyson, you know but if dyson or dyson, you know , in a different , as people are in a different country to britain, rather than britain, sorry, maybe it is these policies that have taken them and pushed them outside of this country . and maybe if we this country. and maybe if we did listen to people like dyson and made this country a more attractive to do business, attractive place to do business, you've got starmer at the moment. how be moment. how could be more attractive lower taxes ? attractive with lower taxes? corporation tax lowest in corporation tax the lowest in the corporation very the g7 corporation tax is very low, but corporation tax, low, yes, but corporation tax, for , when jeremy hunt

for example, when jeremy hunt was campaigning to be the leader of the tory party, he was campaigning, among other things, on the mandate of lower corporation you will know corporation tax. you will know it's actually going to rise from 19% to 25% in april, the exact opposite of what he was campaigning to do before he came. many people came. chancellor, many people will say increasing corporation tax is just counter productive to business growth . i would to business growth. i would agree and down. so you shouldn't increase taxes. i agree with that. but i would say in the medium, long term, 25% corporations tax are still very low by global standards. i would i would a recession you i would agree in a recession you shouldn't be increasing taxes. that's position, that's not a left wing position, by that's a that's a by the way. that's a that's a centrist keynesian position or it anyways. oh it used to be anyways. oh fashioned but someone who fashioned now. but someone who was growth was was didn't think growth was a dirty was liz truss. i dirty word was liz truss. i remember voted for liz one remember you voted for liz one on your show. yeah, you did . and on your show. yeah, you did. and she used the word growth. growth graph all the time. it was peppered campaign, graph all the time. it was pepperiti campaign, graph all the time. it was pepperit was campaign, graph all the time. it was pepperit was really ampaign, graph all the time. it was pepperit was really kind|ign, graph all the time. it was pepperit was really kind of], wasn't it was really kind of a part of the foundation. but as soon as she kind of got over the line started with monday , line started with that monday, people against it.

people just revolted against it. didn't they didn't want that kind of strategy . i think people kind of strategy. i think people revolted against it at all. i think what who revolted against it was the conservative mps who didn't wanted to be prime minister because they'd supported and they didn't supported sunak and they didn't agree membership and agree with the membership and certain , those who certain institutions, those who felt under threat, particularly the bank of england with its dodgy pension scheme and its history of poor regulation and monetary incontinence . and i monetary incontinence. and i think those are the but i think ordinary people were delighted that you had a prime minister who was interested in economic growth, don't know, growth, say, i don't know, i think i would probably disagree with you on that because i think that this whole that there is this whole sentiment this country at the sentiment in this country at the moment where this tax, the rich tax, the wealthy, it's a sentiment that's shared by many. so soon as she started saying, i'll take it for if i pain, i'll make it for a pay, you'll average don't know if average earning. i don't know if yeah whatever they look at that and they go well yeah if you've got 150 grand plus just 200 got 150 grand plus just a 200 grand year, you're minted, you grand a year, you're minted, you shouldn't getting discount shouldn't be getting a discount

on so i think your on your tax. so i think your ordinary person against that ordinary person was against that . a lot of ordinary people and not just ordinary people. i mean, i'm an ordinary person. a lot of, you know, your special when you're alone, i know where an ordinary an ordinary lot an ordinary person and an extraordinary lord right . well, extraordinary lord right. well, i think an awful lot of people are angry because they have seen inflation grow and they are feeling seeing prices go up and they are struggling and they've had the energy thing on top of that, which is an extraneous thing that comes from putin. but they'd have had inflation anyway because of the monetary policy we've had and they've got the inflation and the energy stuff, making it worse. and they're really quite angry . and what really quite angry. and what they wanted was a picture. and i've before, think on i've said before, i think on this that what rishi sunak this show that what rishi sunak has to deliver and i think he's running i gave him running out of time. i gave him until january , but haven't until january, but we haven't finished this january finished yet. well, this january or this january to give his a climax, he gave a speech in january to give us a picture. i said, you communist prime

minister september. if minister in september. if by january need give the january you need to give the country a picture of why you can actually take people the actually take people by the hand, through hand, lead them through difficult times , and them difficult times, and bring them to better at the end, to something better at the end, and describe them and describe to them what that something better like . and i think better looks like. and i think we're not seeing that he's struggling a bit on that. can i say one thing? you may ask say one more thing? you may ask dunng say one more thing? you may ask during pandemic or during during the pandemic or during the lockdowns , billionaires in the lockdowns, billionaires in this this a fact, this country and this is a fact, it's a penny. it's a fact. it's not a penny. it's a fact. billionaires added more than £800 their net worth in £800 billion. their net worth in this country, more than 100 billion. if you to give up billion. if you were to give up every public worker every public sector worker in this pay rise line this country, a pay rise in line with inflation . the government with inflation. the government says it costs 25 billion. actually, i think the offset 18 billion, let's just say 20 billion. so to give public sector workers a pay rise and i'm inflation because one fifth of the amount the billionaires increase their wealth what it billionaires do to increase that well have obviously well because you have obviously a program it a huge stimulus program and it went it inflates went it went towards it inflates the of assets and so on the price of assets and so on and so forth. so we had this up

would move and trajectory, which i maybe daniel agrees with i think maybe daniel agrees with in in this in terms of wealth in this country with the various country with with the various programmes agreeing programmes not agreeing any of this, sound made up this, these sound like made up figures to me. but i mean you figures to me. but if i mean you can dispute oh no, don't can dispute oh no, i don't believe out believe anything. it comes out of people watching of the effect people watching can a lot of people made a lot of money during covid. it wasn't just the upper echelons of the billionaires, the amount of fraud world that was conducted in this country seemingly by ordinary people , setting up ordinary people, setting up fake, limited companies to extract these bonuses , back extract these bonuses, back loans and all the rest of it. we've seen astronomical levels of fraud in this country. so unfortunately , while a lot of unfortunately, while a lot of people struggled during covid, it's indisputable that an awful lot of people all along the income chain and it seems to me actually made an awful lot of money. let me just have a look at what you guys are saying. pizza, says dyson is dead, right? if we don't get growth, how on earth are we going to pay for the fifth of the population who governments? who work for the governments? jones idiot's

jones says the first idiot's guide to economics tells you guide to economics tells me you don't your growth . don't touch your way to growth. lower levels of taxation for individuals businesses is individuals and businesses is absolutely the way forward , absolutely the way forward, annette says. our public services are a disgrace and they demonstrate the worst of nationalised industrial society. we spend more on the nhs than europe , but we've got fewer europe, but we've got fewer nurses, doctors and beds and worse outcomes etc. less is the reason people feel negatively. michelle is that because we've been on easy street for such a long time and never really experienced hardship before ? experienced hardship before? it's probably the reason that all the people cope better with things because they've been through more and are tougher. do you think that's fair enough? we've just been speaking, haven't we, about, you know, incredibly low some might say unhelpfully low interest rates at such a long time have the younger generation basically just got used to things just being to easy? many of you will text an email me in and say, michelle, i can remember interest rates of things like 17. give me your thoughts on

whether or not you agree with that. us i'm going to take a quick break. when i come back, i want to talk to you about levelling up because round two of the funding has been announced today. did area announced today. did your area get any have you seen who did get any have you seen who did get it? and do you think that just money is the answer to making the country more equal? give me your thoughts and i'll see .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry alongside me , i've got dewberry alongside me, i've got daniel moylan, the former adviser to boris johnson and tory life pair in the house of lords and our ambassador to the founder of novara media. welcome back, gents, and welcome to back, gents, and welcome back to you home. you've been you guys at home. you've been getting the getting in touch about the growth economy, both , growth in the economy, both, says they should says michelle, they should always be lower corporation tax and lower death tax . i've got to and lower death tax. i've got to say, i would say zero inheritance tax. i do not

understand why anyone thinks that inheritance tax is a good idea . i think it's absolutely idea. i think it's absolutely ludicrous . ray says it cannot ludicrous. ray says it cannot grow the economy without high in manufacturing innovation. and so skills. however tyson has got a nerve because he's moved his manufacturing east says we're liz the reason this country is not growing in the last 13 to 15 years is down to the banks. we've had multiple bank crashes . the banks have taken control, paid themselves on the shareholders, huge bonuses . she shareholders, huge bonuses. she says with the government's blessing . by the way, i've blessing. by the way, i've written , i make a good point written, i make a good point i on death tax inheritance tax should be scrapped, you should be scrapped, don't you think to respond to think i'd have to respond to that? firstly very few people pay that? firstly very few people pay inheritance tax anyway, so people do. secondly, but secondly, here's. and here's the thing that matters to of thing that matters to most of your audience people live your audience as people live longer, know, the leading longer, you know, the leading cause in country cause of death in this country already. don't mean to already. and i don't mean to get morbid and morbid here is dementia and actually the equity in people's homes pay for their homes is going to pay for their elderly care costs. that is going to be the number one thing

that are worried about in that people are worried about in terms of i've worked all my life, really built some life, i've really built up some wealth and to pass on to wealth and value to pass on to my grandkids. and my kids and my grandkids. and actually that's going actually a lot of that's going to go pay for the nursing home costs. that's why i would costs. and that's why i would say care service. say a national care service. i'll it would annoy me i'll tell you, it would annoy me if all my life. if i weren't. so all my life. i've got this house, i've got this asset that i want to pass down to my son and cheryl in the next but me is never next care. but to me is never really worth a their really worth a day in their life. it's deliberately chose to live and gets the live on benefits and gets the same care as me for free of the taxpayer. that's what would annoy me. that's that's the annoy me. well that's that's the present situation. that's present situation. but that's what is absolutely what i think is absolutely wrong. and that's why your audience would upset audience would get very upset about like you would, about it, just like you would, presumably. would you get very upset you do, upset about. i think you do, actually. we have this conversation inheritance conversation about inheritance tax do tax often. i would completely do away i alone. give away with it some i alone. give me thoughts, but talk me your thoughts, but let's talk about up, we? about levelling up, shall we? have you today that round have you seen today that round two the levelling fund has two of the levelling up fund has been announced? did your area get any? if you're sitting there saying, michelle, saying, i don't know, michelle, well, look i've

well, you can look it up. i've seen a little guide today online. literally put online. you can literally put your your city in and it your town, your city in and it will share with you exactly what you've what going into you've got, what it's going into and else has got what the and who else has got what the pots a day is basically going to be 111 communities. be shared among 111 communities. i've say, though, i've got to say, though, it's really opinion, really divided opinion, daniel, because of because people are kind of saying why is london got any? why is the south—east got any? it's to about it's supposed to be just about the north, etc. what did you think about the distribution of this levelling up well it this levelling up fund? well it wasn't meant to just wasn't ever meant to be just about north because there about the north because there are left behind are lots of really left behind places all around place, places all around the place, including, of including, for example, lots of our coastal towns, our traditional coastal towns, former towns that are former tourist towns that are now really on their backs and they're not all in the north of england by any means. so it was never intended, in my view, to be and i had something to do with this myself, actually, because this was a boris idea and based on something and it was based on something we did london. it was the did in london. and it was the idea you actually empower idea that you actually empower communities. it's very important. this isn't just a question of giving money out, although the although i must admit the governments though governments sounds as though it's plot a bit on the

it's lost the plot a bit on the messaging. it's about st communities. what is you'd communities. what is it you'd like have if we if we if you like to have if we if we if you had some extra money, what would you spend on? is it you like to spend it on? is it the street is improving the high street is improving the high it doing this? high street? is it doing this? is helping with bypass? is it helping with the bypass? is it helping with the bypass? is might it be? give us is it what might it be? give us those bids. we'll look at them. and if they're not totally mad, we'll best to fund them. we'll do our best to fund them. of you more bids of course, you get more bids than you can afford. than you than you can afford. and you out the and you and you hand out the money. it's meant to be as money. so it's meant to be as much as they think about empowering people, you know how annoys michel, annoys me, though, michel, is that doing transport that when i was doing transport in london, i was the deputy chairman of transport for london under chairman of transport for london undeh chairman of transport for london undeii always had these mad that. i always had these mad leftists from north saying, leftists from the north saying, london more spent per head london gets more spent per head on do up here. on transport than we do up here. and moment rishi sunak comes and the moment rishi sunak comes out on telly and says, we're spending more head on this spending more per head on this fund. from this fund on people in the north, they all shouted him and said, well, not interested in per head anymore. we're talking about per acre. we want, we want so much region want, we want so much per region and they change. they want to

change the rules of the game again , people are what matter, again, people are what matter, not the empty acres in the middle between them and if you're getting more per head, that's what really counts. and that's what really counts. and that's people want that's what i think people want to to you in a second to come back to you in a second about actual process you about the actual process you referenced, bids and all the referenced, the bids and all the rest it. that's been rest of it. that's been criticised lot. the actual criticised a lot. the actual process, just back process, but i'll just come back to people who haven't to that by people who haven't got that's been criticised got money that's been criticised and well, no, and i understand that. well, no, it's the actual it's broader than the actual process involved. the time, the risk involved actually risk involved in actually constructing a huge waste of resource for many people. so i'll come back to that in a second, but i mean, where do you stand on it? well, i agree in terms of some of the initial points they're made around who's been awarded to get some people on the left, how it affects, you know, sunak's constituency know, rishi sunak's constituency got was got so much money, it was actually than 1. people actually less than 1. people said, east has said, well, the south east has got twice as much as yorkshire. well, south east population well, the south east population is as is almost twice as much as yorkshire. i don't buy those yorkshire. so i don't buy those criticisms i it criticisms where i think it falls short. it's just actually i the process is limited, i agree the process is limited, especially bid fails . especially if your bid fails. all resource

all that say resource information put into for information put into it for nothing and that's to the detriment of local constituents and taxpayers. then and taxpayers. and then secondly, i just think the sums involved so low. so for involved are so low. so for instance, saw in cardiff instance, you saw in cardiff connecting cardiff bay with cardiff central train station, 30 million. well connecting the four biggest urban areas in cornwall, i think 40 million. i think this is such low hanging fruit . of course it's a lot of fruit. of course it's a lot of money. but in terms of the country and in terms of how little these areas potentially someone like cornwall see from central government, you think what happened ten, 15 what if this happened ten, 15 years too? have to say years ago too? i have to say i agree with that. i mean, my city hall, put two bids in, hall, they put two bids in, never of was successful. never of them was successful. but get some 90 million i but we did get some 90 million i think it was in the first tranche, that whole process, there's something almost feels a little bit degrading that all of these councils around the country have to kind of, you know, please pick me, pick me, look at my wonderful bedsheets . look at my wonderful bedsheets. and it's brought about or it's re—energised a conversation .

re—energised a conversation. daniel, about devolution and about why should it be that central government or westminster, whatever you want to call it, westminster , is this to call it, westminster, is this all kind of powerful being that your towns, your cities , all your towns, your cities, all these explain this idea of bidding, by the way. it goes back to michael heseltine in the 1990s, nineties , yeah, in the 1990s, nineties, yeah, in the 1990s. and i think it was called city challenge at that stage. but i say it's closely related to the idea of empowerment because you could have somebody in whitehall saying, we've decided you need your decided what you need in your local community and we're going to it. but to have to pay for it. but to have people bid, remember these these bids come should in the job bids come should be in the job done properly, should be coming around every year a bid you around every year and a bid you prepared year , which wasn't prepared this year, which wasn't successful, is that you can successful, is one that you can work and refurbish next year work on and refurbish next year in the getting something in the hope of getting something much so you've still much less cost. so you've still got in the drawer. who makes got it in the drawer. who makes the decision the will? it's the decision and the will? it's going made centrally, going to be made centrally, fundamentally minister. fundamentally by the minister. so to the question is so the come to the question is neverif so the come to the question is never if you visit those places , why why is it made in the

, why? why why is it made in the centre ? why is it not made centre? why is it not made locally and the answer to that is very, very simple. you could have full fiscal devolution in this country if you wanted on the basis of people paying for things locally, except that you would end up with huge inequalities because the tax base locally is going to be very, very different from one place to another. and you're always going to have to redistribute and top it up hugely. taking money away. what happens is large amounts of money are taken away from london in places like that, through through the taxation system before covid. i know i'm out of date, but before covid the figure was about 13 billion a year and redistributed through the tax and grants system to other parts of the country . if other parts of the country. if you didn't and that is that gives the government which is doing the redistribution a huge amount of say inevitably in how money is spent, which they'll neven money is spent, which they'll never, ever be able to walk away from . you will never get a from. you will never get a government minister who will say, yeah, i gave , i gave . 50

say, yeah, i gave, i gave. 50 million quid to how i've no idea how they're spending it. i'm not doing any checks. i'm not keeping any control. they'll never get them to say that. and they've been monstered in the house of commons. if they tried to do something like that, because remain accountable because they remain accountable for it's the for the money. so it's the inequality resourcesthat inequality of resources that requiring redistribution , which requiring redistribution, which places government right at the centre of this and one ways will as long as you want that redistribution well do you think about more about these calls for more devolution ? people are saying devolution? people are saying like for example, you've got your is like your own your man is like your own debenhams guys more power debenhams give guys more power rather than this whole kind of doctrine. this begging bowl to westminster . well, i think we westminster. well, i think we saw it with brexit, but england outside of greater london outside of greater london outside the south—east is just politically invisible and. i think that's why when andy burnham came to the fore with the covid sort of crisis. but what wow , this is a politician what wow, this is a politician who isn't in london who's really visible and saying things. i agree don't have

agree with i we don't have enough of that in this country. so for instance, i'm from the south i was born in south coast. i was born in bournemouth, in bournemouth, i live in portsmouth. surreal portsmouth. i find it surreal that south hampshire you have that in south hampshire you have 1.5 million people living there. we don't a city mayor or a we don't have a city mayor or a metro and you do have metro mayor and yet you do have them liverpool, manchester, them in liverpool, manchester, all country. so all the parts of the country. so this hodgepodge, this mishmash of i think this hodgepodge, this mishmash of a i think this hodgepodge, this mishmash ofa real i think this hodgepodge, this mishmash ofa real mess. i think this hodgepodge, this mishmash ofa real mess. and i think this hodgepodge, this mishmash ofa real mess. and i i think this hodgepodge, this mishmash ofa real mess. and i thinkink this hodgepodge, this mishmash ofa real mess. and i think this is a real mess. and i think this is a real mess. and i think this is a real mess. and i think this is a this is a piece with that really in so as there isn't really in so much as there isn't a structured plan a coherent, structured plan about how to reinvigorate england , both in terms of its england, both in terms of its politics and accountable . it's politics and accountable. it's in local political figureheads and in terms of its sort of economy. is i should say, reading the projects is it makes you really enthusiastic , really you really enthusiastic, really optimistic that great things happening in places which nobody talks about, which are really unfashionable. think unfashionable. and i think that's i think that's brilliant. but i think the which it's the manner in which it's happened that this happened and the fact that this is an afterthought, is almost an afterthought, i mean, 2 billion, we mean, 2 billion, you know, we should be giving so much more money to these places, these places the backbone of the country derby, blackpool, southampton, political . unfashionable the political. don't want talk about them. don't want to talk about them. they make britain it is.

they make britain what it is. yeah. and the levelling up fund by the way was about by the way it was about 4 billion saved your first round level of whatever whatever you want to call in 2021 today you've got this round and then i think there'll be a third round as so this isn't the end. as well. so this isn't the end. so city or town or whatever so if a city or town or whatever missed out that fund, it missed out on that fund, it doesn't mean that that is the full stop. you can still get that money levelling up. that for money me levelling up. you've get better jobs you've got to get better jobs into some these yeah, into some of these places. yeah, you've got to start giving decent yeah. decent employment, opportune is because all the time that you have towns and cities where the brightest people leave that town and city for employment opportunities is in london or they're all they're about. how can that town and city recover if all you give them is, i don't know, low paid factory work or whatever ? i factory work or whatever? i don't know if there's enough workers put into some of the some of that's reversing, but not necessarily back to where people came from. so a lot of people came from. so a lot of people a lot of people who've

come to london, you know, it's a sort of story now, isn't it, a lot of young people who've come to london get to a stage in life, get married, start to have children, them, need to children, want them, need to move out and are moving to places bath, bristol or places like bath, bristol or places like bath, bristol or places and so so places like that and so on. so you're flow going the you're getting a flow going the other it's other way, but it's not necessarily going up to the necessarily going back up to the north or where they might have originated . yeah. so not originated. yeah. so it's not all london sucks it all in and people stay. that's absolutely true. but there's lot two people stay. that's absolutely true.flow there's lot two people stay. that's absolutely true.flow in are's lot two people stay. that's absolutely true.flow in this lot two people stay. that's absolutely true.flow in this true. two people stay. that's absolutely true.flow in this true. i two people stay. that's absolutely true.flow in this true. i willo people stay. that's absolutely true.flow in this true. i will i way flow in this true. i will i agree with you entirely about jobs for i agree with jobs for i don't agree with aaron see is that you're aaron you see is that you're going to find i said this in the house of lords on tuesday house of lords only on tuesday where we have the levelling up bill and reading. and bill and second reading. and i said of the stuff you're said all of the stuff you're doing here the stale old doing here is the stale old agenda creating city mayors agenda of creating city mayors and moving about different layers government that layers of local government that isn't empowering people , that isn't empowering people, that isn't empowering people, that isn't they want. they want isn't what they want. they want empower women. another layer empower women. and another layer of that isn't true. once you have a having a mayor for hampshire, isn't that in response? that's what we know, that once, for instance, there is metro city marathon

is a metro in our city marathon like manchester, london, once it happens popular, happens that hugely popular, that's polling that's just a fact. the polling supports well would you supports that. well would you supports that. well would you support has town city support that has your town city or got a mayor do you or whatever got a mayor do you want one? i mean, people i've got messages here about city khan people are sadiq khan is supposed to be levelling up these levelling i think these levelling down. i think some would offer some people would offer a motive. you me to have one motive. you want me to have one think people are offering. you can have sadiq if you want can have sadiq khan if you want one. you want him? i don't one. would you want him? i don't know. touch. know. get in touch. gbviews@gbnews.uk care is my email address . get in touch with email address. get in touch with me. let know your thoughts. me. let me know your thoughts. quick when i come back, quick break. when i come back, i'll some of your response. i'll have some of your response. but ask you, do but also i want to ask you, do you think britain's universities have with have a problem with antisemitism? you .

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plastic surgery and her hopes for the future. get tuned in tomorrow for gb news i meeting up with my old mate mark dolan. it's been iag since . done an it's been iag since. done an interview with him. that's katie price on mark dolan tonight. tomorrow on . tomorrow on. gb news. hello there . welcome back to hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me michelle dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry right through to 7:00 tonight. alongside me is daniel moylan, the former adviser to bofis moylan, the former adviser to boris johnson and now tory boris johnson and now a tory life peer the house of lords life peer in the house of lords andivan life peer in the house of lords and ivan bustani, the founder of novara media. ken says is very impressed you . he says he's impressed with you. he says he's found himself surprised himself . wonderful. yeah, . oh, that's wonderful. yeah, indeed. . oh, that's wonderful. yeah, indeed . anyway, we like debate indeed. anyway, we like debate on this and all opinions are valid on dewbs & co. yeah, that's valid on dewbs& co. yeah, that's what i say. lots of you are getting in contact about mass as i don't seem to be getting any

kind of . feedback, positivity , kind of. feedback, positivity, love for ivan says, are your guests delusional ? nobody wants guests delusional? nobody wants me to get back to reality. i suspect , though, if you are in suspect, though, if you are in the manchester area and sir andy burnham is your mayor, i wonder, in fact , are you in manchester? in fact, are you in manchester? is andy burnham your mayor? if you are, i suspect that you quite would like him. i like him very much . in fact, quite would like him. i like him very much. in fact, i quite would like him. i like him very much . in fact, i was just very much. in fact, i was just saying in the break, if he was the leader of the labour party, he might even be able to convince me to vote labour at the next election. what are you getting me your getting so much? let me your thoughts anyway. report into the national union students national union of students has found hostile culture found a hostile culture apparently jews apparently that towards jews this week as well an organisation called the community security trust has documented a rise in antisemitic attacks in british universities . as i was announcing this topic before the break one of my view is an insult to our cold link and he says it's only the far

left in this country that have a problem with anti—semitism , is problem with anti—semitism, is it? no, i think that's a silly thing to say. i think it's taken centre stage because obviously the story with labour in recent years, but there are organised fascists in this country, organisations like patriots called and save. i mean i called time and save. i mean i feel bad even saying that name because of course it's putting them but virulently them out there, but virulently antisemitic. i, think antisemitic. so i, i think that's thing to say. that's a silly thing to say. i certainly disagree that . certainly disagree with that. the clear threat to minorities from across sort of the ethnic racial spectrum in this country is from the far right. if you look at, for instance, luciana berger , former labour mp, you berger, former labour mp, you know, several people were making death threats , this woman, and death threats, this woman, and they were all from the far right. and i clearly some people the left was saying some bad things to, but i think it's a bit dangerous and disproportionate to say somebody saying something mean on twitter is death threat. is the same as a death threat. i think quite distinct think there's a quite distinct things. also seen threats things. you've also seen threats to again from the to an mp again coming from the far right in the last few years.

some people have even gone to prison for it. so i would say that's misjudged conclusion that's a misjudged conclusion just because you see more of that in media conversation that in the media conversation doesn't necessarily. but i thought thing that you thought the plus thing that you was just referencing, one of the things was saying was things that she was saying was that threats her that the threats towards her were from kind of were coming from the kind of what would call at core what i would call at the core ministers side of the fence. well, can people have well, people can people have that and people can that impression and people can say they like, but oh, no, say what they like, but oh, no, no, no, no. i'm saying for your audience. not. i'm not audience. no, i'm not. i'm not suggesting you do as i understand went understand it, three people went to in relation to things to prison in relation to things that said to luciana, a that were said to luciana, a burger threats three people and they're right. they're all from the far right. and i and live an and so i try and live an objective reality in facts. i try not to live in sort of media hyperbole. and this person said this it might suit their this because it might suit their political whatnot. political faction or whatnot. ultimately which when we're talking about, you know, threats based racial or ethnic based on racial or ethnic background, we're talking about criminal activity. and the people been punished for people have been punished for that. can see are that. from what we can see are overwhelmingly far overwhelmingly from the far right. i dispute that. right. so i would dispute that. and corbyn himself, he used to come under a lot of pressure,

didn't would say he didn't people would say that he alarmed to see. i do think that was fair. do you think that was wrong? i think that the some of the things that was said about corbyn, i think in retrospect now i think now that he's no longer a labour leader, i think we can be honest about for we can be honest about them. for instance, the instance, one gentleman on the lbc, he said that corbyn was going reopen the gates to going to reopen the gates to auschwitz. think you have to auschwitz. i think you have to be a very person to be a very strange person to think that that's sensible, proportionate to say. proportionate thing to say. so i think discussion think the whole discussion dunng think the whole discussion during years of the during the frenzied years of the corbyn leadership, was corbyn leadership, i think, was , think actually bordered on , i think actually bordered on outrage . yes, sometimes, outrage. yes, sometimes, for instance , when he'd like the instance, when he'd like the facebook post in regards the facebook post in regards to the brexit, was but the brexit, that was wrong. but the idea that that is again, somehow analogous to people the far analogous to people on the far right the way, wouldn't right who, by the way, wouldn't want either, want me in this country either, want me in this country either, want the first boat out want me on the first boat out to, it's silly. i think to, i think it's silly. i think it's silly. i think it's ill judged then in modern well the left does have problem with left does have a problem with antisemitism and we know that and it infiltrate well into the labour party. now keir starmer and his vacillating and confused

way ways succeeded largely in taking those people out of the labor party. how long you'll keep them out? i don't know. but he's , he's, he's helped purify he's, he's, he's helped purify the labour party of that the national union of students is not of course a branch of the labour party and it is one of the organisations with a very left wing character that exists in our universities. left wing character that exists in our universities . the truth in our universities. the truth is luciana berger was a labour mp. she stopped being a labour mp. she stopped being a labour mp partly because she's not welcome in her own party. she's a liberal democrat now . she's a liberal democrat now. she's not an mp anymore. i think she stood as one as a liberal democrat in barnet, but she if isn't an mp, but she's left the labour party. if she wasn't comfortable . i think what partly comfortable. i think what partly at the bottom of this i don't want to sound as i'm being sympathetic in any way to these people partly bottom of people was partly the bottom of this is there are people especially on the left and jeremy of jeremy corbyn is an example of this who pretty outraged at the way the state israel treats way the state of israel treats palestinian and fair palestinian people and a fair minded person understand minded person can understand what they're talking about but

they that over into a an they carry that over into a an antisemitism directed at british jews irrespective of what their views might be on on particular topics. and it's become a racial thing and you see it in a number of left wing organisations which are in some cases like the n us pretty you entrenched in universities . the fact is that universities. the fact is that universities. the fact is that universities themselves have become very left wing places, not just the students now, but the academic staff . there are the academic staff. there are lots of things you can't say. there are lots of things you might lose your job for. freedom of expression isn't defended in our universities with the same vigour as it used to be, but we are seeing this and i think this report is right to identify it andifs report is right to identify it and it's a scourge . can i and it's a scourge. can i respond quickly? yeah because we're talking about peace in the times and it says there have been 150 reports events. for instance, this year , students, instance, this year, students, academics, university staff , academics, university staff, student bodies, etc, an increase in the last few years. there is no mention lu daniel in this article about the political

persuasion of those who've perpetrated so perpetrated these things. so what that my in what you've done that in my in my is to immediately my estimation, is to immediately instrumentalize this for political ends. there is no mention since hier article about the political background and persuasion of those who are guilty abhorrent things guilty of these abhorrent things and so the full says, let me finish, please. the fact that that was your default says so much about how this is a political football. it's extraordinary . and not even you extraordinary. and not even you knew what you were doing. not even you complete nonsense. you tell me here, lord daniel, tell me the large, then tell me if i believe him. he's right wing organisations that are well represented on the central committee of the national union of students. tell me about these anti—semitic organisations. a lot in our universities, which are actually there was no mention in this. you may not be in the us, they may all be left. you're implying you're implying that a whole load of them are out and i grant you, the people who were prosecuted over luciana berger white berger came from white background. right about background. you're right about that you're out there

that. but you're out there saying that these people are well—represented in our universities and that's i'm not universities. and that's i'm not saying lord daniel saying that. lord daniel no, saying that. lord daniel no, saying can't no we saying we can't comment. no we would about the national. would talk about the national. no, we walk because we no, no, we go walk because we were about labour. no, were talking about labour. no, you everything you don't get everything off neutral. because neutral. can i respond because this talk over each other this is talk over each other because no one can anyone. right. very briefly, because look when you were look at the time when you were talking national talking about the national situation yes situation in which point i. yes i the far right. i talked about the far right. there no mention this entire there was no mention this entire ask about the political persuasion of anyone. for instance, is one instance, quickly, there is one instance, quickly, there is one instance student hit instance of a jewish student hit with as there were with a rubber bat as there were tenants combination. tenants shooting combination. awful. accompanied awful. and it was accompanied by anti—semitic . i have no anti—semitic slurs. i have no idea that person they may idea that person was they may have been left. i have no idea, daniel, but the fact you immediately presume they were and such and presented that as such the audience so about the audience says so much about the tenor debate on this subject. tenor of debate on this subject. does me . right. tenor of debate on this subject. does me. right. i'm does it? you tell me. right. i'm going to take a quick break. but wow these two, i suspect we'll continue this conversation dunng continue this conversation during the break. but i'm going to take a break. when i come back, i will have some response

because my inbox is on fire. in response to that one, i can tell you. but i also want to ask, would you whole with. so you would you eat whole with. so you went to .

hi there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me. michelle dewberry keeping you company right till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, daniel moylan , the former daniel moylan, the former adviser to boris johnson and now tory life peer in the house of lords. also aron boustani is the founder of novara media . welcome founder of novara media. welcome back everybody . lots of you back everybody. lots of you getting in touch. michael says i am jewish and i want to tell your guest that he's wrong nowadays is overwhelmingly coming from the far left . want coming from the far left. want to respond to michael ? i just to respond to michael? i just i'm sorry. ijust to respond to michael? i just i'm sorry. i just disagree . to respond to michael? i just i'm sorry. ijust disagree . i'm i'm sorry. ijust disagree. i'm from some people out there. i'm from some people out there. i'm from i was born in bournemouth.

and as you probably know me, has a very large jewish population. i had many jewish friends. i did years girlfriend one point years girlfriend at one point and saw firsthand and i actually saw firsthand the extent of and casual antisemitism. it at my antisemitism. i saw it at my school constantly. also, by the way, towards people who way, but towards people who weren't including myself weren't jewish, including myself . and i just think it's a i just think maybe we maybe we've had very different experience of these saw how easy these things. but i saw how easy and mundane and common it was, and mundane and common it was, and wasn't a political and it wasn't a big political thing. was something that thing. it was something that kids without kids instinctively said without realising shows what realising it, which shows what a pernicious is. so pernicious racism it is. so maybe we just have different experiences. things experiences. maybe things have changed 20 years. so changed in the last 20 years. so says michel, there is absolutely a problem with antisemitism within party. this within the labour party. this was the results of was confirmed by the results of the investigation conducted by the investigation conducted by the rights the equality and human rights commission, found the commission, which found that the labour party had committed unlawful acts. that she says , is unlawful acts. that she says, is a fact. they go, any more thoughts that? so you can get in touch and let me know. lots of you have lots to say on that. we were talking, by the way, just before that topic about levelling up about devolution as well. touched on the topic of

well. we touched on the topic of mayors. was saying that there well. we touched on the topic of maya s. was saying that there well. we touched on the topic of maya lot was saying that there well. we touched on the topic of maya lot of|s saying that there well. we touched on the topic of maya lot of negativity. at there well. we touched on the topic of maya lot of negativity. so there well. we touched on the topic of maya lot of negativity. so thee was a lot of negativity. so the concept mayors and i was concept of mayors and i was suggesting perhaps was suggesting perhaps that was because have someone like because you have someone like burnham as your mayor there's lots people, the way , that lots of people, by the way, that are just not having any of my thoughts all. and standing by thoughts at all. and standing by that that they do not that position that they do not want mayors in their towns or cities . anyway, i want to ask cities. anyway, i want to ask you a bit of a random question. would you ever eat horsemeat? so, i mean, it's quite popular, isn't it, in other countries, but apparently and i think it's all cost of all because of this cost of living crisis a lot cheaper living crisis is a lot cheaper than and becoming more than beef and it's becoming more popular there . would you know, i popular there. would you know, i mean, i've said no because loads of people probably unknowingly ate it back in whenever it was 21st, know, whatever. 21st, you know, whatever. but would knowingly your would you knowingly trade your beef daniel well, beef for horsemeat? daniel well, i try beef for horsemeat? daniel well, | try it beef for horsemeat? daniel well, i try it once, but let's i might try it once, but let's get into this. but why is the question is not why is horsemeat cheap ? the question is why is cheap? the question is why is beef and lamb and other stuff like that that we're used to? why is it so expensive? and there are two reasons i'll tell

you straight away. first of all, that since left european that since we left the european union, national farmers union, the national farmers union, the national farmers union been determined to try union has been determined to try and limit imports from other parts of the world, and they scream and shout about them. even the tiny amounts one are getting in from australia or planned from australia . planned get in from australia. and is that the and the second is that the climate people, the climate alarmists all want us to stop meeting. they want meat to be expensive. stop it . expensive. we stop eating it. all mean, presumably all right. i mean, presumably this horsemeat is it's horses from the macca's yard. i presume they're not being bred to eat. i mean, it strikes me as quite strange. that's cheaper than beef like you say, you know, beef like you say, you know, beef farming massive beef farming is a massive industry. you've got huge economies of scale. i find it slightly is slightly odd that horse meat is cheapen slightly odd that horse meat is cheaper. eat it? cheaper. would i eat it? i suppose , i would, but i've suppose, i would, but i've probably already had it. like i said, my friend has pancakes from tesco five years ago. yeah i've got to say i would not knowingly eat a but i do knowingly eat a horse, but i do . i am partial to the occasional kebab and sometimes i think to some uncle ernie knows what's in them. i think in one case it was

a human meat and that wasn't that. remember that case? so goodness knows what eat. goodness only knows what we eat. anyway, i like this one. les says been knocking says the wife has been knocking me try it, but i'm not going. me to try it, but i'm not going. so i see what you did there and i it. aron daniel. thank i liked it. aron daniel. thank you very much for your time. thank you. at home for your company interaction. company and your interaction. have i'll have a fantastic evening. i'll see tomorrow. but is see you tomorrow. but here is the good evening . i'm the weather. good evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest update from the alex deakin and this is your late:office. update from the alex deakin and this is your late:office. temperaturesm the alex deakin and this is your late:office. temperatures are 1e met office. temperatures are tumbling once more out there at the a hard frost again the moment. a hard frost again in ice is going to in the morning. ice is going to be and there could be be an issue and there could be some patches around as well, some fog patches around as well, surrounded areas of low surrounded by areas of low pressure, one drifting down towards france and spain. this one drifting through the one is drifting down through the north sea, but just still bringing a few showers across northern parts scotland and a brisk . northern parts scotland and a bnsk .so northern parts scotland and a brisk . so things perhaps brisk wind. so things perhaps icy some snow on the icy here, some snow on the hills. the showers are fading further ever we've had further west. but ever we've had showers the day. things showers through the day. things may well freeze up overnight and may well freeze up overnight and may well freeze up overnight and may well turn things icy. so we do have met office yellow warnings place. for many, warnings in place. for many, it's clear and cold, minus two,

minus three even in towns and cities, much lower in rural spots. so a cold start. there could be some fog around on friday as well, particularly for parts of northern ireland. may take to clear, but take a while to clear, but nowhere near as many showers around few major greys eastern around a few major greys eastern england there'll a cold wind england there'll be a cold wind blowing on some of north blowing on some of these north sea but for many, the sea coast, but for many, the winds will be lights. there'll be bit of winter be quite a bit of winter sunshine and temperatures will be a little bit higher than today's values. particular in the seven, eighteen the southwest, seven, eighteen celsius . most places still , celsius. most places still, though, heading pretty cold, pretty quickly through tomorrow evening . again, a frost taking evening. again, a frost taking hold of the chance. we will see some fog on friday night more widely across england and wales. meanwhile, further north and west, some rain trickling in. thatis west, some rain trickling in. that is a sign of a change into the weekend. a dull and damp weekend on the west coast of scotland. patchy rain for northern ireland and a brisk breeze, it will turning breeze, but it will be turning mild here most of england. mild here for most of england. well, saturday, dry, well, saturday, again, dry, bright , well, saturday, again, dry, bright, sunny and cold

well, saturday, again, dry, bright , sunny and cold with bright, sunny and cold with temperatures again, only four or five degrees celsius. but signs of things turning milder, albeit with the cloud and rain across the northwest. and that will continue into sunday. the rain being caused by weather fronts edging in still bring you some damp weather in the northwest sunday, but milder the cold sunday, but milder air. the cold conditions persist in the southeast .

good evening. levelling up is back in the news. the rules about it. but do you know what levelling up actually is? i'm not sure that i do, but maybe jacob rees—mogg can answer that question for us. ulez the extension is coming in at the end of august. there is now an almighty row going on. khan almighty row going on. is khan doing right thing ? even the doing the right thing? even the prime involved in prime minister got involved in this yesterday . i'll give this debate yesterday. i'll give

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