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without a visa they felt faced the real prospect arrest. gb the real prospect of arrest. gb news an exclusive report an news is an exclusive report an immigration hunting for illegal farm workers . another appalling farm workers. another appalling week for the metropolitan police with the police officer admitting to being a serial rapist. how many bad apples in the force and how do we get rid of them? and those elgin marbles , the most talked about exhibits the british museum. should we return to greece? i'll be talking to longest serving talking to the longest serving culture in britain who culture secretary in britain who says they have to go back . says they have to go back. joining me the next hour will joining me in the next hour will be a be the broadcaster, a psychotherapist , lisa garcia. psychotherapist, lisa garcia. and of course, don't forget you're a big part of this show. so email me at gbviews@gbnews.uk . that's what's coming up this houn . that's what's coming up this hour. but first, we're going to get the latest news . good get the latest news. good afternoon. it's 12:01. i'm rhiannon afternoon. it's12:01. i'm rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom. next month we'll see the biggest strike action ever to hit the after ambulance workers announced a further

industrial action in a dispute over pay and staff . 10,000 over pay and staff. 10,000 ambulance staff with gmb union already to join thousands of nurses in strike action on the sick the february and unite has announced workers from five ambulance trusts in england and wales also walk out on that . ten wales also walk out on that. ten further strikes are planned in the coming weeks. downing street has called the action disappointing, but says has called the action disappointing , but says they're disappointing, but says they're very much open to discussions discussions . gb news can reveal discussions. gb news can reveal that eu citizens living and working in the uk without a visa now face the real prospect of arrest . new guidance allows the arrest. new guidance allows the detention and removal of those eu working here illegally . gb eu working here illegally. gb news was given exclusive access to follow immigration officers as they raided businesses in. they arrested two eu citizens from romania who officers say were in the uk without working visas conserved . mp lee anderson

visas conserved. mp lee anderson says the guidance is good news . says the guidance is good news. it's welcome news because eu citizens are here and they are working and they should not be working. then qualifying through the breaking law and this the breaking the law and this problem much bigger we problem is much bigger than we think. that think. i believe i believe that this down the this happening up and down the country and country in, every town and village city. there's village and city. there's a there's hidden population of there's a hidden population of people are they people who are working. they should be working . a 19 year should not be working. a 19 year old has pleaded guilty to plotting an islamist terror attack targeting attack allegedly targeting police officers or personnel. matthew king appeared at the old bailey this morning. he's alleged to have carried out at police station railway stations and magistrates and a british army barracks . authorities had army barracks. authorities had been tipped off about king through an anti—terror arrest hotline after he posted a video on a whatsapp group . ukrainian on a whatsapp group. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy holding talks with around 50 western nations urging them to give more military aid to support fight against russia . support fight against russia. kyiv has requested three tanks

and germany's andre pressure to provide that leopard to tanks . provide that leopard to tanks. dufing provide that leopard to tanks. during the meeting, the us. announced a furthe r £2 billion announced a further £2 billion worth of support to ukraine. us defence secretary lloyd austin vowed to support the country for as long as it takes . russia is as long as it takes. russia is regrouping , recruiting and to regrouping, recruiting and to re—equip . this is not a moment re—equip. this is not a moment to down. it's a time . dig deeper to down. it's a time. dig deeper . the ukrainian people are watching us. the kremlin is watching us. the kremlin is watching us. the kremlin is watching us in history is watching us in history is watching us. a new report into england's fire and rescue says reforms needed as a matter of urgency . well, our reporter will urgency. well, our reporter will wallace is in leicester for us. the location of the services that was mentioned in the report. well who's behind report and what exactly is being recommended . yes. well this is

recommended. yes. well this is the first state of fire and rescue services for england since andy cooke was appointed as his majesty's chief inspector for constabulary, as well as , for constabulary, as well as, the fire service. and he really highlights a matter of the need for reform from the government for reform from the government for a better public service so that the public can expect from fire service, he states. how frustrating it is to see a lack of progress made by government since the last annual report , since the last annual report, only two of the previous six recommendations have been implemented since that 2021 report highlights. also the need for reform that the service can provide best possible service for the public . the report also for the public. the report also suggests that national and local organisations work closely with unions to consider reforming structures for negotiating pay and terms then can additions to reduce the threat of industrial action in the near future . of action in the near future. of course, right now we're seeing the fire brigades balloting its

members ahead of industrial action that . we might see by the action that. we might see by the end of the month. we have, of course, asked the fire brigade union to comment and we're expecting hear from them later today. expecting hear from them later today . well, thank you very much today. well, thank you very much . wallace our east midlands reporter for us there in reporter for us there live in leicester , the home office . leicester, the home office. survivors of rape are having significant amounts of their personal records, unnecessary requested by police investigations in some records have been used to test the credibility of survivors which minute to describe as invasive of the government's vow to change the law to better protect victims , speed up enquiries and victims, speed up enquiries and confidence in the criminal system and peace. are dying, says often these requests are irrelevant to the inquiry. quite that's people like schools educational record even times cancelling records and these organisations take a long time to respond. it undermines. organisations take a long time to respond. it undermines . the to respond. it undermines. the trust of the rape victim in the

process. and as time goes on sometimes they fall away from the process altogether. no, we don't want that want to rebuild trust to make sure that every rape victim is treated fairly and gets to a fair trial in a decent amount of time . and decent amount of time. and retail sales across the uk have fallen for a second month in a row as customers cut back on spending the office for national statistics says sales dropped by 1% in december. the falling far worse than experts had predicted over the vital christmas period. that's 1.7% lower than over the vital christmas period. that's1.7% lower than pre covid levels non—food stores are most affected, falling by 2.1. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back to andrew .

back to andrew. good afternoon to you. what a great exclusive to give news they can reveal the eu living and working in the uk overstayed their visa or maybe didn't even have and now going to face have and now are going to face a real prospect of arrest and being booted out of the country. immigration enforcement officers have issued with new have been issued with new guidance the guidance allowing for the detention and of those eu nationals who working here illegally are homesick surety ed mark white who else has got this exclusive story having followed immigration officers on a raid in businesses in london and he was there when they arrested two eu citizens from romania . eu citizens from romania. we were on board with the immigration officers in south east london as they prepare to read several businesses suspected of employing immigrants . arriving at this immigrants. arriving at this skip hire firm. these officers

have move fast if they're to stop their suspects disappearing . oh yeah . of like searching all . oh yeah. of like searching all the possible hiding places as they go among those they're looking for at least two albanians, immigration enforcement officers believe one of the men has run off . yeah, of the men has run off. yeah, you be off. the other is the wheel of this vehicle . but a wheel of this vehicle. but a quick check reveals he has a proper work visa . and so we took proper work visa. and so we took to elsewhere the rest of the workforce have gathered in this portacabin as immigration check their status . we're going to their status. we're going to take you into this room and to speak to you in here. you after speaking to this romanian, he was placed under arrest on suspicion of working in the uk without a proper visa . the without a proper visa. the senior immigration enforcement officer here told us they've now

been issued with new guidance allowing for the arrest of eu nationals living and working here illegally . they can serve here illegally. they can serve it of mp lee anderson who's on the commons home affairs select committee. welcome this apparently urgent policy . well, apparently urgent policy. well, it's welcome news because eu citizens are here and they are working and they should not be working and they should not be working then quite frankly, breaking the law and this problem much than we think. i problem is much than we think. i believe believe that is believe i believe that is happening and down the happening up and down the country. every and village country. every town and village and city, there's a there's a hidden population . people, they hidden population. people, they are they should are working. they should not be working counties working in the counties following brexit. eu nationals arrive in the uk must have the appropriate visas if they want to live . work here and the to live. work here and the border officials have detained some eu at ports and airports they suspect of planning to work here illegally. those citizens already in the uk but working without have not been by immigration enforcement until

now . at a second nearby business now. at a second nearby business immigration officers have arrested another romanian suspected of working illegally . suspected of working illegally. it signals a tougher approach from rishi sunak's government after he promised to crack down on those abused in uk immigration laws. but with on those abused in uk immigration laws . but with well immigration laws. but with well over a million people suspected of and working in the illegal economy these immigration enforcement officers have never been busier . enforcement officers have never been busier. mark white gb news south east london . while our south east london. while our great story joining me on the show now is ivan, who's a specialist immigration lawyer. ivan, good afternoon to. good afternoon, andrew. so this is the government, the home office, immigration service. call it what you will finally doing job properly . i mean, yeah, i mean, properly. i mean, yeah, i mean, it's the border enforcement agency . and if you're in agency. and if you're in a unhed agency. and if you're in a united arsenal, want to come and live and work in the uk

post—brexit, you need to have permission and that's under what's called a skilled worker visa . the cost of these visas , visa. the cost of these visas, including legal fees and application fees for three year visas, about 5000 and for a five year visa. it's about 9000 per person. on top of that employer also has to have a sponsored licence and the cost of that , licence and the cost of that, including legal fees, is around 3 to 5000. so it is for employees to employ people in low skilled jobs , to get the low skilled jobs, to get the skilled worker visa . plus your skilled worker visa. plus your job has to be within the strict codes of the types of jobs in which you can have a visa. so it's hardly surprising that eu nationals are coming across as non business owners and then working illegally. but why do we need low skilled workers? ivan eu countries, haven't we got enough here? what's the unemployment rate? currently over a million people. i know it's at a pretty low historic low figure , but plenty of people

low figure, but plenty of people to those of jobs. i agree to do those of jobs. i agree 100. i think people are obviously struggling all over the world and then maybe not getting working in their own country. who knows? i don't know what. the individual circumstances there's circumstances are, but there's absolutely why they absolutely no reason why they should be here working. it's should be here working. and it's absolutely right for the government to remove them. on top of that, if you're not eu national. you enter illegally. we've got sufficient powers to arrest, detain and remove and you've heard stories that . you've heard stories that. criminals that are here working illegally as. criminals that are here working illegally as . and again, there's illegally as. and again, there's sufficient powers to automatically deport anyone who has been sentenced to 12 months in prison or even on conducive pubuc in prison or even on conducive public good grounds . so the public good grounds. so the government's got enough powers to deal with this right now. do these people really get deported live in all? it's just a human rights lawyer. start brandishing a piece of paper saying human rights and they here for months and months as we've seen with people crossing the channel in those small boats . sure. i mean, those small boats. sure. i mean, if they've got family members who are settled here , then

who are settled here, then they've got a right to challenge that under human laws. that under human rights laws. but i can't . where if you don't but i can't. where if you don't have a relationship with someone certainly a british national or someone with settled status here, how you can possibly raise those grounds ? it'd be very, those grounds? it'd be very, very difficult . do that. well, very difficult. do that. well, you can lawyers to fight. you're a lawyer, ivan. you how ingenious. lawyers can be about finding reasons to run up a bill for the tax. i want to bring into the conversation ivan lucy parfitt, who is, of course, a broadcaster and psychotherapist . what's your reaction? is this .what's your reaction? is this is for once, the government doing its job, isn't it? it is certainly the border force have been criticised for not having done its job enough over the last few years and in your report it says that they are so busy but a number of people would say well there have been too many people who've been slipping through net and getting away with it and the polling that has actually happened quite

recently shows that even though the cost of living crisis is for most people the most pressing problem , that actually people problem, that actually people who come to here illegally are still a real problem for people who feel that their services are under threat. so if you come and work here illegally, you still have to use the gp services . so have to use the gp services. so you might have to use schools , you might have to use schools, you might have to use schools, you might have to use other services that people who here legally feel are under threat. so if the government all making a claim which you sunak said that that was going to be one of his big five pledges this year to actually get immigration under control . then you want to under control. then you want to feel that that's what they're going be doing. the problem is, are they targeting the right people? so it was really interesting your report that interesting in your report that it alleged romanians that it was alleged romanians that they were going after and they were originally to see if there were originally to see if there were some albanians as well. but i wonder whether the border force would have made such an effort if it had been people from france people from france or people from

germany . very good point. ivan germany. very good point. ivan sumption, perhaps could sumption, perhaps you could answer a point of answer that. is that a point of are going the border force are they going the border force going because going to these people? because they romania and they are from romania and albania is there's not albania albania is there's not so many french or western european countries, nationals are overstaying there . estimates are overstaying there. estimates that there between half a million and three quarters of a million and three quarters of a million illegal people in the uk either overstayed their visa or entered illegally. can i just your point that your guest said about access to gp surgery , you about access to gp surgery, you don't have access to gp surgery if you don't have status in the uk , the only thing you will have uk, the only thing you will have access to is emergency treatment for which have to pay. and at the end of your treatment you'll be given the bill to do that. but no, you get access to gp surgeries . all right. that's surgeries. all right. that's ivan sampson, who's specialist ivan sampson, who's a specialist lawyer. just say let's lawyer. but can i just say let's hope that the government is that border force get a bit more serious about tackling the ongoing crisis across the channel now let's take a look at this week's gb news people's

poll . well, as ever, it's poll. well, as ever, it's a valuable insight the state of the nation and after the government plot. hurrah! i say. but she soon. well done. you've done something right. scotland's gender bill. this will allow 16 year olds to change their gender after three months without any consultation . a doctor. the consultation. a doctor. the government has blocked that. we can reveal in the gp poll 22% of people strongly support the blocking of the legislation, compared to 80% who oppose it. but more interestingly, i think the really interesting figure is 61% of people in that poll say that people at the age of 16 off to young to change the gender. and i think that's absolutely right . lucy, paris, what's your right. lucy, paris, what's your view. you're a psychotherapist . view. you're a psychotherapist. this is becoming this is an issue that's going up to the top of the political agenda, which is old you consider so few

people are a genderjust want to change their gender or what we don't know what the figure is. some people say it affects maybe half million people. but we half a million people. but we seem to involve an awful lot of political time and energy on with . and this is the first time with. and this is the first time the government westminster has blocked something coming out of the scottish government the devolved scottish government at holyrood since 98. and that's what's so fascinating about this story is that it's actually a pellet local story, which is very much nicholas sturgeon wanting to paint a picture westminster blocking anything that the scottish government might want to do suits her nationalist aims , whereas at the nationalist aims, whereas at the other end of the you've actually got it as a real issue for some people who may themselves want to transition or may have met family members who want to transition from my world of psychiatry. yeah the key is date for me, right. that psychiatry. yeah the key is date for me, right . that actually i for me, right. that actually i agree. 16 is too young particularly in the world of psychiatry . what you see is that

psychiatry. what you see is that 18 is a very clear cut off point medication, for example, that is fully licenced for adults , is fully licenced for adults, is not licenced for anybody under the age of 18. it has to go through different procedures. similarly care, inpatient care , similarly care, inpatient care, you won't have anyone under 18 on the same ward as someone who's over . on the same ward as someone who's over. and this recognises that a lot of biologic , cool, that a lot of biologic, cool, emotional and changes are during those of sort of 12 to 18 and in some cases brain development is happening beyond the age of 18. and when you think that issues around mood your sense of identity , sense of self and how identity, sense of self and how you feel who you are, that is a massive state of flux and rightly so. you know who you think you are when you're six years old and the people you relate to, it's going to be very different to you all when you're 14 and 15. and for me and for the world psychiatry in

the world of psychiatry in general, we saying 16 is too young to make that decision in any shape form, because you just having too much else to cope with physiologically, hormonally and emotionally. so yes, have some kind of bill at some point, although i personally disagree with this bill that the scottish parliament to put through but certainly 60 is far too young . certainly 60 is far too young. lucy beresford, psychologist , lucy beresford, psychologist, speaking from a position low 30, why 60 is too young and i completely agree and get this the labour frontbencher lisa nandy says actually we should start seriously at start taking people seriously at the if want to the age of 13 if they want to transition just just think she could be in the cabinet in two years time now king charles and the queen camilla are visiting bolton to celebrate hundreds fourth anniversary of the town hall . it's the first visit by hall. it's the first visit by the monarch to the area in 35 years. cameron walker , who is years. cameron walker, who is our royal reporter, is in bolton , the royal couple. cameron good afternoon . what's the reception

afternoon. what's the reception for the people. delighted to see them . good afternoon, andrew. them. good afternoon, andrew. what was stephanie a big crowd that's gathering here very . that's gathering here very. excited to see the royal couple. it's a busy day of engagements in greater manchester for king. he arrives via royal train this morning in manchester. it's the first time he's actually used the royal train since becoming sovereign as. the royal train since becoming sovereign as . we understand it. sovereign as. we understand it. he's already undertaken to engagements this morning. he's been to dc hq he's also been to dc hq and he's also visited the kellogg's factory course of royal warrant holder , course of royal warrant holder, who provides cereal and breakfast goods to the royal households. and they are celebrating their 100th anniversary of having a presence here in the united kingdom. but then a bit later on today, we are expecting the king and queen consort to be here at spokesman town marking the 150th anniversary of the official opening the building. it was the king's great grandfather, edward the seventh, when he was the prince of wales back in 1873. that's officially opens this

building was a crowds back then. andrew of 150,000 people. now it doesn't look there's quite that many here today, but it's certainly a good crowds. but do expect to have 150 children in on the steps to greet majesty's scouts etc. there's going to be a big reception, community reception in the hall as well , reception in the hall as well, andifs reception in the hall as well, and it's going to be very mindful of the cost. living with a few community groups, the king keen to happen and keen for that to happen and there's a big police presence here as security presence . all here as security presence. all right. that's cameron walker in bolton we'll keep you up to date on that on the royal couple visiting bolton now coming up after a quick we'll be talking about metropolitan police about the metropolitan police and week in and another appalling week in the the metropolitan the history of the metropolitan police police force. police biggest police force. after unveiling and the after the unveiling and the confirmation that serial confirmation of that serial rapist and sex offender, david garrick after the headlines , garrick after the headlines, i'll be having a break right now here on gb news live. we'll be keeping you in the picture finding out what's happening

across the country, finding out why matters to . we'll have why it matters to. we'll have the fast with our team of the facts fast with our team of reporters and specialist wherever it's happening we'll be there in 12 noon on tv, radio and online. gb news the people's britain's news.

channel the list of crimes a chilling david carrick who is entrusted protect senior and members of the royal family. 49 sex offences including 24 rapes. no wonder the domestic violence charity refuge has placed 1071 rotten apples outside scotland yard in protest and not forget just a few years ago, sarah everard kidnapped raped and murdered by serving police .

murdered by serving police. wayne cousins . joining me on the wayne cousins. joining me on the show now is patsy stevenson, who is a women's rights activist . is a women's rights activist. right. and writer. and i'm going to be talking to dai davies, who's the former head of royal protection scotland yard . protection at scotland yard. good afternoon to you both. if i could start with first, could start with you first, patsy. on patsy. you, of course, were on that for sarah everard, that vigil for sarah everard, which was broken in the most bizarre circum stance by the metropolitan police. did you think so soon that that we'd be reading about yet another horrific sex monster within the ranks of the metropolitan police 7 ranks of the metropolitan police ? mean honestly. yes. because this is not shocking to activists that this is happening again. we keep them to change. and, you know, there's so organisations giving them solutions to fix this stuff and they're not listening. they're not changing. we've had to empty promises for years and look yet again. another stories come . again. another stories come. it's not a surprise . what are it's not a surprise. what are those solutions solutions ? i

those solutions solutions? i personally think at the moment i was leaning towards know, complete reform, radical from scratch , start again. it doesn't scratch, start again. it doesn't work but at the moment mean a lot of people have been talking about abolishment of the police and listen i don't know enough to comment and say that that's definitely the solution, but i don't know what else they can do at point. abolishing the at this point. abolishing the police won't make the streets safer , surely. patsy, ask safer, surely. patsy, can i ask as a woman to how safe do you feel walking the streets . and if feel walking the streets. and if a police officer in uniform approached you, maybe flashed his warrant card, actually, which we know was carrick's calling card , try to woo women calling card, try to woo women into his home would . you trust into his home would. you trust that police officer ? definitely that police officer? definitely not. i don't think many women would at the moment. that's one of the issues they . haven't got of the issues they. haven't got trust because . they've shown us trust because. they've shown us time and time again that we trust them. so i been

approached, you know, in the past few months by police officers just to try chat with me. i don't know if they recognise me or not, but, you know, it feels very odd that they're to me and i just they're trying to me and i just walk other even if walk the other way if even if i was a dangerous, wouldn't was in a dangerous, i wouldn't go police officer . go out to a police officer. think it worse. think that would make it worse. di davies that's the real problem , isn't it? and how much problem, isn't it? and how much trust in police has trust in the police has plummeted . women do not, will no plummeted. women do not, will no longer trust a police officer because what happened with wayne cousins now with david carrick and you've got people like patsy stephenson saying perhaps the only answer to abolish the police and start again . well, my police and start again. well, my heart goes out to all the victims . and i for one moment victims. and i for one moment don't condone criminality by. any police officer . but we have any police officer. but we have to remember, there are 43,000 in london. and to label all as either racist murderers and all the rest of it is simply wrong. my the rest of it is simply wrong. my son is a sergeant, a number of my friends are still in the

police force. they are decent people . and to everybody calls , people. and to everybody calls, them as a rotten liberal is wrong. i appreciate it a great deal needs to be and i have a number of radical solutions i could forward to you. well, let's hear them die . well, the let's hear them die. well, the first and foremost there is a discipline code, and there is an ethical code. what i do from next month, every officer in the met and, the police force should sign a legal document saying he or she aides in the vet councils or she aides in the vet councils or procurers the commission . any or procurers the commission. any offence, any homophobic offence, any racist . you would make any racist. you would make yourself lie to institute dismissal . yourself lie to institute dismissal. i'd also look again at the leadership in the met. i can remember sir robert mark came down from a leftist constabulary . came down from a leftist constabulary. he came down from a leftist constabulary . he cleared out constabulary. he cleared out a lot. i not convinced that the current is the right man . he may

current is the right man. he may be part of the problem. not solution. i could go on for hours. i just want to say one specific point about carrick. what is shocking to me reading this he was only vetted once in six years and yet there were nine different occasions when . nine different occasions when. senous nine different occasions when. serious allegations made against him still only vetted in 16 years. and we heard cressida dick, the rather discredited former metropolitan police commissioner, talking how it would never happen again after wayne cousins and sarah just days later , this terrible man days later, this terrible man was accused again of a rape . he was accused again of a rape. he wasn't even suspended . i i agree wasn't even suspended. i i agree with you and part of the investigation into this whole and any other officer accused of serious offences should involve those who a tasked one with carrying out the searches on these people and secondly who allow him to get into the dpg diplomatic protection group without vetting firearms

officers should and in my day and i was a firearms officer were vetted to the hilt when i took command of royalty protection. you wouldn't believe many references i had to provide . that should be part of the investigation. but i also call for a royal commission. the last royal commission was in 1967, reported in 62. it is that we had a commission, the police . at had a commission, the police. at 2 am. are virtually after the fire and occasionally the ambulance these days . the only ambulance these days. the only service that the demands on them are huge . and also i would like are huge. and also i would like to add the police are a reflection of the society we live . and if you look pro—rata live. and if you look pro—rata there are 650 odd mp fees. if you take their numbers that are corrupt who have caused an attack. women are we saying that every man every organisation should be sacked? no. parata say again. 43,000 or 40,000 in the

country , most of them men and country, most of them men and women, are decent . i hear you women, are decent. i hear you that we'd to spend more time on that, but we've got to go to news. that's davis, former head of the royal protection squad, and patsy stephenson, an activist. coming we're going to be about the elgin be talking about the elgin marbles, item , marbles, the most viewed item, the british museum. but the greeks them back. and i'm going to be talking to a culture minister, a former coach in britain to britain who says they've got to go. first, news update go. but first, your news update . good afternoon. it's 1232. go. but first, your news update . good afternoon. it's1232. i'm rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom downing street has called planned nhs strikes disappointing after ambulance workers announced a further industrial action in a dispute over pay and staff thing. 10,000 ambulance staff with the gmb union are already scheduled to join thousands of nurses in strike on the 6th of february. unite has now announced workers from five ambulance sending

wales will also walk out on that day. ten further strikes are planned in the coming weeks. downing street says the government very much open to discussion as gb news days can reveal that eu citizens living and working in the uk without visa now face the real prospect of arrest. new guidance allows the detention and removal of those eu nationals working here gb news was given exclusive access to following immigration officers as they raided businesses in london, they two eu citizens from romania who officers say were in the uk without work visas . a 19 year without work visas. a 19 year old has pleaded guilty to plotting an islamist terror attack allegedly targeting police or military personnel . police or military personnel. matthew king appeared at the bailey this morning. he's alleged to have carried out surveillance at police railway stations , a magistrates court stations, a magistrates court and, a british army barracks . and, a british army barracks. authorities had been tipped off about king through an

anti—terrorist after he posted a video on a whatsapp group that ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy is holding talks with around 50 western nations, urging them for more military aid to support their fight against russia . cave has against russia. cave has requested 300 battle tanks and germany's under increasing pressure to provide their leopard. two tanks. during the meeting, the announced a further £2 billion worth of support to ukraine and the home office says survivors of rape are having significant of their personal records unnecessarily requested by police during investigation and in some cases record aids have been used to test credibility of survivors , which credibility of survivors, which ministers describe as the government's vowed to change the law to better protect victims. speed up an inquiry and restore confidence in the criminal justice system . tv online and justice system. tv online and abc radio this is gb news. don't

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ihave i have my studio guest, lucy barrett just thinks about the response of our police former police officer to the crisis . police officer to the crisis. did you hear the speech? i think. yeah. so basically what really annoyed me with him trying to say that it's only a few bad apples . yeah. and as in few bad apples. yeah. and as in many relationships , there is one many relationships, there is one person who perpetrate these things but there is another person enables that to happen . person enables that to happen. and i think what we've got is this really dysfunction in relationship between the police and the police and the public. the police have broken trust they need to broken the trust they need to every . that damage there are every day. that damage there are too women and men actually who walk the streets and don't feel safe . but you cannot tell me safe. but you cannot tell me when you and i can't even say the word on on air. the name

that david carrick had amongst his fellow police officers. they knew what he was like. they knew the kind of person he. was the kind of person he. it was the kind of person he. it was the was someone who the nickname was someone who doesn't have a father . thank you doesn't have a father. thank you very being that very much for being that eloquent but really eloquent it but it was really that people knew exactly who he was the fact that he was only vetted once in 16 is and yet that incredibly high protection responsibilities you can hear how angry i am i think how angry i am and i think that's when the sarah everard event took place and it was so shocking. a real to shocking. it felt like a real to the system. and cressida dick was in charge and being woman herself. so you know , under my herself. so you know, under my watch, this will never happen again. problem that again. the problem is that institutions lie. there is too much enabling that goes on for people want to hide and a number of people and believe me not but some people go into the police for the power that they can wield and those are the people that we need to root out. you're quite right now we're talking about the elgin marbles. they are one of the british museum's most prized fused asset. they're also the most talked about, i

would say, brought to britain from 200 years from the in athens 200 years ago. now a growing ago. there's now a growing campaign to give back to campaign to give them back to athens where greeks say they athens, where greeks say they belong. but there is fierce resistance joining me in resistance to it. joining me in the now is lord vaizey. the studio now is lord vaizey. he was britain's longest serving co—chairman, and he's chairman of parthenon project . and of the parthenon project. and also, to be talking also, i'm hoping to be talking to vicky pryce, who's a greek born economist. lord vaizey , why born economist. lord vaizey, why should we give back this wonderful prized asset, which is viewed by 6 million people in the british museum every year? well, i think back is the is the is in the in the sentence, which is in the in the sentence, which is were taken and they should be given back. and there are a lot of myths surrounding the elgin marbles or the parthenon sculptures as i prefer to . yeah, sculptures as i prefer to. yeah, we should, we should remind people they are not marbles. they elegant , two and a they are very elegant, two and a half thousand years they half thousand years old, as they to and why they came the uk and indeed when culture indeed when i was culture i subscribe that myth i was subscribe to that myth i was merely telling the where merely telling the greeks where to . they knocking, to go when. they came knocking, but since researched it and changed my mind. and there are a

number of reasons. first of all, people that saved people claim that we saved the parthenon that they otherwise would have been using the greek word name for them, the parthenon sculptures, otherwise they been destroyed. they would have been destroyed. that's the parthenon that's not true. the parthenon was damaged in 1680 when there was damaged in 1680 when there was explosion elgin took was an explosion but elgin took them the 1810. so was a quite a long gap . i think napoleon goes long gap. i think napoleon goes on to say that he deigned to leave behind and survived and are still in athens. athens now has a state of the art museum where they can be exhibited. but the fundamental is the the fundamental point is the parthenon one parthenon sculptures are one work art and. it is akin. it work of art and. it is akin. it sounds a bit trite to say it's akin to cutting the mona lisa in half and taking one half somewhere one somewhere else. they are one unhed somewhere else. they are one united sculpture and. they should be united in one place and the obvious place for them to be is where they were made, which is athens. but i don't get into the minutia, into into the minutia, lord facing british facing who them but the british government would argue we are the league, the britain is the legal owners they're owned legal owners and they're owned by of the british by the trustee of the british museum, elgin was given museum, lord elgin was given them by a tongue tied up with

them by a tongue tied up with the ottoman the turks in the ottoman empire. he to the british he then sold them to the british museum you know, museum in 1816. and, you know, the museum called the british museum may be called the british museum may be called the british museum may be called the british but actually the british museum, but actually it's most it's probably the most internationally in the world with fabulous antiquities from around the globe . yeah, i think around the globe. yeah, i think they give these greek ones back. what do we have to give what else do we have to give back? slippery slope? yes, back? the slippery slope? yes, exactly yeah, yeah, yeah. you know it. you know, we never. yeah, look, there are a few points to about that. first points to make about that. first of the parthenon of all, obviously the parthenon sculptures are sculptures in my view are unique. museum is a world unique. the museum is a world museum, but has lot of greek museum, but it has lot of greek artefacts that it can display instead the parthenon instead of the parthenon sculptures. and sculptures. but the key and i think of the reason tone think part of the reason tone has about the debate is has changed about the debate is this first time the greeks have said, well, actually, what about a you return a win win. what if you return parthenon will you parthenon sculptures will you some of our priceless artefacts which have never left greece to exhibit in the british museum. if i was running the british museum now, i'd be. a museum now, i'd be. this is a massive opportunity. got massive opportunity. i've got a huge plan. it's huge redevelopment plan. it's going cost billion going to cost a billion quid. there'll lot of greek there'll be a lot of greek wealthy greeks living in the us or elsewhere who , might look or elsewhere who, might look kindly it, on that and help

kindly on it, on that and help support redevelopment . you support our redevelopment. you display sculptures and display greek sculptures and we'll get some incredible objects from the greeks which will actually pull in potentially more punters. it come and these unique come and see these unique objects now displayed for the first in london. now your first time in london. now your mate was, of course, mate george, who was, of course, the the the chancellor, he's the chairman trustees of the chairman of the trustees of the british we know he's british museum. and we know he's met the greek prime minister to talk he's keen have a talk this, and he's keen have a loan scheme as you we give loan scheme as. you say we give give back loan. they give give it back loan. they give us something online . but dr. something online. but dr. dimitri megalopolis to give me if i pronounce that incorrectly. he's a former director of the athens city museum. he's saying don't them back because don't give them back because they'll never come back to britain . and argues says , britain. and he argues he says, i'm fairly antiquated, i'm fairly acquainted . greek fairly acquainted. greek museums, convinced the elgin museums, i'm convinced the elgin marbles are better preserved in a british museum and a greek one. that's a greek museum director flying a pouring real doubt. and whether the greek government would look after them properly. what is one man's opinion? i disagree him. i mean, in fact, this is greek and he's

my coach and he's ran a very important museum in athens. true. but one one greek rejecting gifts does not clinch the argument . and it's arguable the argument. and it's arguable how well the british museum looked in the course. duveen, who built the gallery that where they're now housed, who was a bit of a dodgy character in and of had them cleaned . it was of had them cleaned. it was sparkling white. they were like a sort of laundry detergent adverts. yeah so it's arguable how well they've been looked after, but in any event we should be big as a country in the 21st century to say we've them years. we have them for 200 years. we have looked them, but now looked after them, but now is the to them back. and the time to give them back. and let's have a cultural partnership where we get some incredible from. greece incredible objects from. greece and think you think incredible objects from. greece argoing think you think incredible objects from. greece argoing to think you think incredible objects from. greece argoing to happen you think incredible objects from. greece argoing to happen ? you think incredible objects from. greece argoing to happen ? boris| think is going to happen? boris johnson was never a fan of giving them back , so that's giving them back, so that's giving them back, so that's giving way. you think we're kind 90% there and you might stall on the last 10? i mean , you have the last 10? i mean, you have said, let's not into the minutia of ownership . ownership is the of ownership. ownership is the biggest block and. to be fair, they'll be just as much public

opinion would say we don't them back as a loan. we don't want them back unless they're being given the given back. that could block the deal given back. that could block the deal. but i there's more goodwill and there's more imagination around this issue now than there ever been. so i want to keep the momentum going. i what the final i don't know what the final result and i don't think result will and i don't think it's going to happen overnight by any stretch. we've got greek elections for example, elections in may, for example, that going happen that nothing's going to happen before but you've got the before then. but you've got the key place great key players place and some great ideas. i we've got vicky pryce now, who's a greek born economist. pryce, economist. vicky pryce, are you with am , vicky. i see you, with us? i am, vicky. i see you, sir. very to see you. now, you've been listening to the discussion as a greek person . do discussion as a greek person. do you feel outraged that the outcome , hbos or the parthenon outcome, hbos or the parthenon sculptures as vaizey calls them, are a great exhibit in the british museum ? i don't feel british museum? i don't feel outraged at all, of course, because , you know, i've gone and because, you know, i've gone and seen them here. and of course i have visited the replica in athens as . well, and, you know , athens as. well, and, you know, everyone marvels about, you know

, what the greeks did, all those thousands of years ago. and it was a fantastic construction . was a fantastic construction. but do believe and do agree but i do believe and do agree entirely with what has been saying that it's about time they get returned to now the british museum, of course, is bound by law not to send anything back unless the government agrees. so there is a bit of diplomacy that needs to place to allow for needs to take place to allow for them but think the mood them do so. but think the mood is changing and interesting thing about the british public which of course , you know, has which of course, you know, has had some say in all this in the sense that, you know, they go and watch and see those those marbles alongside lots of tourists. they have pulled. in a recent yougov poll. and 54% of them say they should be , which them say they should be, which is quite surprising. only 20% say they don't them to be returned and loads of others are quite undecided about it. but the majority seem to think they should go back. i visited that new acropolis museum. vicky the curator, was telling me every time you put a shovel in a street, greece, you can unearth often extraordinary antiquity .

often extraordinary antiquity. how does how the parthenon marbles or the parthenon sculptures or the elgin marbles race in your view, and in the great great parthenon of historic items, in that museum in athens well, they are without any doubt the best. and the interesting thing since you've been to the museum if you stand in a certain position and you can actually see the marbles that are actually in that museum itself, which have been taken, which are in greece and have been taken actually from the frieze. they would perhaps affected by all the temperature changes so on that are taking place. they've been replaced by by arrows. that's marbles, if you like. but you can just see them sort of merging into the parthenon temple itself from the position in they're in. so it's an amazing site and that shouldn't be that having something in its location when it is very much part of what it

should be, the environment where it was built in order, you know , was not built necessarily. so people to go and marvel was a big, big infrastructure by pericles at the time unite athens . it was a very athens. it was a very interesting project at the time it was done for different reasons rather than what we now in terms of purpose. but it is extraordinary to see it in its natural environment. i think that's one of the main reasons why it should be returned. your family is still in greece key. i know. do they about this? is this a real talking point ? this a real talking point? greece apart from as they say amongst the chattering classes ? amongst the chattering classes? no, no, no. i think it is discuss all the time. and of course , remember that the greeks course, remember that the greeks actually asked for them back first time in 1983. so it's been a long time coming. and of course, we had a very influential ex actress who was also, of course, minister of culture. melina mercouri yeah , culture. melina mercouri yeah, who was there for quite some

time and who was such an advocate of the return. and that's why we not talk about parthenon marbles and not the elgin , because she's the one who elgin, because she's the one who said they're not the elgin. they belong to the people who put them together . and of course them together. and of course they belong to the parthenon , they belong to the parthenon, which is really the temple which they were done. lord fraser you're chairing a committee which trying to engineer a loan scheme. what do you think we would get in return from. well there are i mean, i wouldn't like to kind of make a shopping list or put the greeks in a corner, but there things like the so—called agamemnon marks, there's extraordinary bronze of boy on a horse . these are the boy on a horse. these are the kind of things that you would see in the museum of athens. and i know as a you've been to that as well. and they've left greece before. those are the kind of objects i think people are potentially considering lending to museum , which to the british museum, which could here. so they would could come here. so they would be extraordinary be pretty extraordinary and be available a world audience and i think it would take the relationship greeks relationship between the greeks and british cultural terms and the british cultural terms

onto level it being it onto another level it being it would be an extraordinary magnanimous hear what magnanimous gesture. i hear what says about polling and that says about the polling and that is encouraging. there is no is very encouraging. there is no doubt public is doubt that public opinion is changing . and i think for changing. and i think for a british government because, you know, the british government does cards, possession does hold the cards, possession is the to this is 9/10 of the law to make this gesture would pretty gesture would be pretty extraordinary. had six years extraordinary. you had six years as minister make . as culture minister to make. yeah, i know. i didn't. i know. i've said it's got to i said, well and were well it got to you and were minister i said well it got to you and were minister! said many well it got to you and were minister i said many times, minister i said it many times, in said it to your friend in fact i said it to your friend philip when i was philip davis when i was interviewed story. it interviewed about this story. it was presenting was on here presenting just about i two qualities about make. i have two qualities that, . one is that, you know, i have. one is laziness. so i never bothered to look at the issue and one is how by a politician is cowardice. so i want to take the i didn't want to take on the then the british then director of the british museum, was museum, macgregor, who was a very advocate for the very formidable advocate for the argument. you are putting in the british museum is a world museum able to compare different cultures . but able to compare different cultures. but think i've cultures. but i think i've reflected issue and is, reflected on the issue and is, i'm afraid, one of those terrible, terrible cliches that when you're minister, do when you're a minister, you do absolutely square of absolutely the square of whatever. you're free

whatever. but once you're free to speak your mind, you completely change your opinion. i'm bring lucy percy to i'm going to bring lucy percy to her. lucy, a psychotherapist , her. lucy, a psychotherapist, tempted you what you tempted to ask you what you think politics i had to think about politics i had to ask about what is happening ask you about what is happening in this about book. in this place, about the book. maybe don't know. you're a fan of the elgin marbles , but how is of the elgin marbles, but how is it that this man having this it that this man is having this confession, this poll on the road convention and all? road to convention and all? maybe, yes, he is right that i'm vulnerable. we need to see more of this in politicians. well, thatis of this in politicians. well, that is people were saying after jacinda ardern's announcement to step down, citing her vulnerability at that i think people would be more welcome to think that their politicians would be more transparent, more authentic is a very big thing. and if i'm watching of thing. yeah exactly. that's what this about on love island that would be how to connect with ed wants get on love island i know it's not going to happen lo fazio i should say what i what i should have said yeah this is have said is that yeah this is the best 10 minutes of my life. he's most polite to me. he's been the most polite to me. he's been the most polite to me. he's been the most polite to me.

he's been years. i'd have he's been in 20 years. i'd have for 10 minutes forcing him to call lord vaizey. yeah i'm call me lord vaizey. yeah i'm not i'm going not going to kill you. i'm going to bring i'm going to bring vicky pryce back the vicky pryce back into the conversation. vicky, whose family and is , family lives in greece and is, of interesting , north of course, interesting, north face admitted when he was a culture minister. he was just cowardly , but the current cowardly, but the current culture minister , lord vaizey, culture minister, lord vaizey, is going to remind who it is. michel yes . culture secretary? michel yes. culture secretary? no she has been quite clear. they should stay here . well, they should stay here. well, it's really rather interesting because was listening to the interview that she gave and she referred to the marbles as a bath , her marbles as being part bath, her marbles as being part the british culture . and that's the british culture. and that's why they can't go, which i mean, ihave why they can't go, which i mean, i have to say, i was slightly i mean, they have become part of the british psyche you like because people notice there and they like to go and see them and they're aware all this, which is very good news because you spread word around lots of spread word around and lots of visitors seats. but i visitors come and seats. but i wouldn't part of the wouldn't call part of the british culture. i was really

rather was rather shocked. and i was wondering, meant. let wondering, she really meant. let me you what me share with you what lord vaizey mentioned it, neil macgregor, who was very macgregor, who was a very formidable very respected formidable and very respected director the british museum director of the british museum between 2002 and 2015, said, defending keeping the sculptures here , he said the museum remains here, he said the museum remains a unique repository of the achievements human endeavour achievements of human endeavour , there no culture, past , and there is no culture, past or is represented or present is not represented within walls . it's truly the within its walls. it's truly the memory of mankind , these memory of mankind, these sculptures mankind . sculptures and part of mankind. that's why should stay . that's why they should stay. yeah, there are kind of two organists running mean, organists running there. i mean, it's vicky it's interesting that vicky picked michele i picked out michele said. i do think michelle donlon think actually michelle donlon did and that's did have a part. and that's to a certain you have this certain where you can have this win that the greeks can win win that the greeks can respect the fact actually having the sculptures in the the parthenon sculptures in the british museum had a huge influence british at influence on british culture at the the point is to the time. the second point is to say that the are longer say that the are no longer unked say that the are no longer linked parthenon . they're linked to the parthenon. they're works in their own right, works of art in their own right, therefore they can be housed anywhere. disagree with anywhere. but i disagree with that point that that based on my point that actually the parthenon sculptures are one indivisible whole. in effect, i mean they have been divided, but they

should be seen as one work of art. and if you're going to reunite them, which i think they should be reunited, the obvious place them athens. we're place to them is athens. we're getting people emailing getting some people emailing here. from says here. this is from ali says when you at you go to florence, you look at the statue david in the the statue of david in the square, replica. i think square, it's replica. so i think we should make replicas of the marbles should give them marbles and we should give them for free to the greeks. peter says not laser scan and says not use laser 3d scan and produce replicas and send them to athens. the reverse point to fit into the original site. keep the safe in the british museum . the safe in the british museum. graeme says if you take the elgin marbles to its conclusion every foreign artefact in every museum around the globe should be repatriated. that's what people are saying. lord tells about is a stone important about there is a stone important artefact well at not artefact for well at not egyptian egyptians want it back. that's complete nonsense . there that's complete nonsense. there will one or two objects where will be one or two objects where governments will want give them back. britain very much back. we in britain very much about our cultural objects. we have the have something called the reviewing committee for the of works art , where we can put works of art, where we can put a ban on object leaving the ban on an object leaving the country. i ban jane austin's ring from leaving country. did you. yeah kelly clarkson bought

jane ring and i said no jane austin's ring and i said no . that is cultural artefact . that is a cultural artefact that we gave you. very important. you can say we important. you can say if we if we understand that are cultural objects in this country that are in british culture, in transit to british culture, like austen's we like jane austen's ring, then we should concede to the should actually concede to the greeks they are objects greeks that they are objects that important okay. you that are important okay. you could a committee could set up a similar committee which claims which could review any claims creation give advice to creation and give advice to museums let's give the last word . vicky price, of course, is great vicky how excited are you that there does seem to be real progress towards some form of loan or repat scheme ? well, loan or repat scheme? well, what's going on right now? so there's a lot of happening or so it appears. and then hear suddenly that those discussions are going anywhere. and as long vaizey has said, we've elections in greece coming up and maybe nothing very much will happen. on the other hand , there could on the other hand, there could be acceleration of because be an acceleration of it because the current prime minister, mr. talk is may want to prove also the public that he's made some progress in this possibly but for the moment looks you know for the moment it looks you know things are hotting up and look

quite positive and then suddenly we have something completely different if follow it on a different if you follow it on a daily basis , don't really know daily basis, don't really know whether progress or whether we're making progress or . respect. but . not so in this respect. but i do this idea . yes, of do like this 3d idea. yes, of course we can have replica , but course we can have replica, but i would suggest that this should be rather than in greece . yes. be rather than in greece. yes. very firm for vicky price to join you. thanks so much for joining us. vicky pryce, economist who is, of course, there, athens, 10 seconds, lord , going happen ? i , what's going to happen? i don't think there'll be anything for greek election. for the greek election. i think there will be a moment when the parthenon sculptures are to greece for great greece in return for great objects coming from greece, it will technically be loan will technically be a loan and then bets off and any then all bets are off and any other want to and other time. want to come and make confession? well, make a confession? very well, yesterday program, yesterday on this program, i think yes. among think here for weeks. yes. among actually these various good psychotherapist. you so psychotherapist. thank you so much for joining you're much forjoining me. you're watching andrew watching or listening to andrew pierce more pierce on gb news. plenty more still come in the next program. so don't anywhere before so don't go anywhere before we're going to the weather we're going to get the weather on mark dolan tonight. in a world exclusive, katie joins us

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re—equip . this is not a moment re—equip. this is not a moment to slow down. it's a time to dig deeper. to slow down. it's a time to dig deeper . the to slow down. it's a time to dig deeper. the ukrainian people are watching us. the kremlin is watching us. the kremlin is watching us. the kremlin is watching us in history is watching us in history is watching . us now a new report watching. us now a new report into england's far and rescue services says reform is needed as a matter of urgency. our report will is in leicester, france. the location of one of the services mentioned that report. well who's behind this report. well who's behind this report and what's being recommended exactly . yes. well, recommended exactly. yes. well, this is the first state of fire rescue service by andy cook since he was appointed as the inspector of his majesty's inspectorate for fire and rescue services as the constabulary. and it takes all of the investigations, all of the inspections of the 44 different fire services in england and compiles it together of course.

last year he looked back and reference to the fact the fire services had to with floods as well as cost of living crisis and the impact that that has on the financial pressures that fire services face. but the big thing that we're hearing loud and clear from this report is how frustrating the inspectorate finds it that the government made such a lack of progress since the last report in 2021. only two of the previous six recommendations made in the last report have been implemented . report have been implemented. now, what he says right now is the government needs to address as a matter of urgency reforms inside the service if it is to provide the best possible service for the public. of course, it also things like industrial action . right now, industrial action. right now, the fire brigade union is its members and we expect to know by the end of january if firefighters will be going on strike. well you. potential more strike. well you. potential more strike than well hollis there for us east midlands reporter live in leicester.

for us east midlands reporter live in leicester . the for us east midlands reporter live in leicester. the home office says survivors of rape are having significant amounts of their personal records unnecessarily requested by dunng unnecessarily requested by during investigations in some cases records have been used to test the credible of survivors which ministers describe as invasive the government's vowed to change the law to better protect victims speed enquiries and restore comfort in the criminal justice system . mp criminal justice system. mp sarah dean says these record requests are irrelevant to the inquiry . quite often that's inquiry. quite often that's people , schools, educational , people, schools, educational, even at times counselling and these organisation take a long time to respond . it undermines time to respond. it undermines the trust of the rape victim in the trust of the rape victim in the process and as time goes on sometimes fall away from the process altogether . no, we don't process altogether. no, we don't want that. we want to rebuild trust to make sure that every rape victim is treated fairly and gets a fair trial in a decent amount of . and sales

decent amount of. and sales across the uk have fallen for a second month in a row as customers cut back on spending. the office for national statistics says sales by 1% in december, performing far worse than experts had predicted . the than experts had predicted. the vital christmas period . that's vital christmas period. that's 1.7% lower than pre—covid levels . non—food stores are most affected by falling by 2.1% this is gb news ringing more as it happens now though, it's back wandering . wandering. now. credit exclusive the gb news eu citizens who are working in the uk without a visa could be arrested and deported in force when officers have been issued with new guidance allowing for the detention and remove the 30 eu nationals who are here illegally. are working here illegally. gb news exclusive access news was given exclusive access to follow immigration officers

as they raided businesses in london. they arrested two eu citizens from romania. you will hean citizens from romania. you will hear, according to border force without work visas . let's speak without work visas. let's speak to the swedish conservative charlie amos , who joins me now. charlie amos, who joins me now. charlie, good afternoon , you. charlie, good afternoon, you. good afternoon . this is our good afternoon. this is our border force , the law. do you border force, the law. do you have a problem ? it. absolutely have a problem? it. absolutely i mean, it's just natural considering the new relations between the european union and the united . and i can see the the united. and i can see the same thing happening in sweden where there initially was a grace period for british citizens in sweden but now they need just like every citizen from a third country, a right of residence visa to work in sweden . and if they and if they don't have a visa and caught. charlie what happens are they deported or they put in prison . well the

or they put in prison. well the policies in sweden just like in the uk has in reality been quite for a number of so up until now up until that we got a conservative government since sweden and not much has been done and the black economy shadow society has been allowed grow. now this new government is implementing reforms to change, to increase the domestic immigrant controls , to protect immigrant controls, to protect heavily look at workplaces to see where everyone is having a permit . just like we saw in your permit. just like we saw in your in your footage from southeast london . so if swedish if some of london. so if swedish if some of your swedish charlie are caught in britain without papers, you would think that's okay then we boot them out . well, i think

boot them out. well, i think rule of law is okay and rules are there to be followed and swedish citizens just like else, have to follow . the laws of the have to follow. the laws of the united kingdom. so i mean, in the individual cases, if someone was unaware of the rules, i can just feel sorry for them a personal level. but as a legislate order the case is quite clear . so the legislate order the case is quite clear. so the mep legislate order the case is quite clear . so the mep from quite clear. so the mep from sweden, charlie hunnam, is in the studio with me for the next houn the studio with me for the next hour. delighted to say . is the studio with me for the next hour. delighted to say. is you were show . i were an apprentice show. i remember seeing that brian parsons i can say it parsons your if i can say it a young guy you presumably would relish the chance of working . is relish the chance of working. is this the right thing for the force to even if they perhaps are a french open air escort working beyond her visa , he or working beyond her visa, he or she should be booted out. do you think that's right? i absolutely agree. we these as agree. i think we have these as the mep, the we have these immigration reason . immigration laws for a reason. so i absolutely agree they should be enforced if it's a friendship. or it

friendship. her or whoever it is. you're saying beyond the is. if you're saying beyond the time to in the time you're allowed to in the country, then absolutely you should booted out. and i'm should be booted out. and i'm all that. wish that all for that. do you wish that they'd show as much diligence application dealing with the michael it's crossing the channel because what where i'd like to see the real priority . like to see the real priority. absolutely and i think not as you said is , being directed on you said is, being directed on that crisis . i think we're that crisis. i think we're talking about all of these other issues, what's happening in doven issues, what's happening in dover. we're having all of these crossings . and the french aren't crossings. and the french aren't doing about it. and doing anything about it. and i think that's shameful. yeah, well listening andrew well, you're listening to andrew pierce gb news. now pierce over here on gb news. now we're the latest gb we're turning to the latest gb news 61% of people in that news poll, 61% of people in that poll decide agree with this, with the idea of allowing 16 year olds to change their gender after three months without any medical involvement. rishi sunak's this week said it will block the scottish bill. it was put to the secretary state for scotland, alister jack on gb news early today. he was asked about it and he actually an

instrument called section 35. and as you rightly out, it's never been used before , but it never been used before, but it was there for a and the purpose was there for a and the purpose was when the scottish government passed legislation that had an adverse impact on other gb wide legislation and in this case the 2010 equalities act. and for that reason i looked at the legal opinion that was given to me and i took the decision to use a section 35 order. what the impacts are is around increasing the cohort can go forward. we think the balance right with the gender recognition act, we have at the moment the 2000 before it. but what this did it didn't increase the cohort dramatically but it and it's not about genuine trans people they absolutely have our support . it absolutely have our support. it is about the wrongs if you like it's about the bad state actors the those of a predatory nature to reduce the bar to three months of self i.d. to reduce the bar to three months of self id. no third party verification is a very low

bar and that will increase the number of people who can use abuse the system. and then of course that takes you into what the impact is on and the impact is on. as i put it, my reason, a statement of reasons, it's around women's safe places , around women's safe places, whether it's in women associations , clubs, changing associations, clubs, changing rooms , the refuge is for victims rooms, the refuge is for victims of domestic abuse, single sex schools. the list of things is . schools. the list of things is. but it's about protecting those places. we think that the threshold been lowered and that obviously is an adverse impact on the equality act. scottish secretary alice degette, speaking to gb news gb news political reporter olivia utley in studio with me. olivia 61% in that poll. i'm surprised it's only 61% think 16 is far too young. but interestingly, no, there's no overwhelming for people to supporting rishi sunak's decision to block the bill. no it's very interesting this, because rishi sunak essentially when it got to this point, had very little choice

but to block the bill, the bill was quite clearly at odds with the uk wide equalities act, but it seems at it now as though rishi sunak, his ministers have essentially walked into a trap that nicholas sturgeon set them. there is a theory round and it has definitely some some evidence to support it that nicola sturgeon's main motivation introducing this bill in the first place was to pick a constitution with rishi sunak only 30 people change the genders legally in scotland each year and that's expected to go up to about 250 people. if this bill goes through. but we're talking about very, very small numbers here . so the theory is numbers here. so the theory is that rather than being concerned about number of trans about this tiny number of trans people, wanted to create people, she wanted to create this this big issue and then turn this bill into a question of scottish democracy . turn it of scottish democracy. turn it into look, doesn't matter what you think about changing gender. westminster is trying to block a law that was agreed by a majority in holyrood therefore you have to vote independence to

get of these guys. it seems to have her game. and rishi sunak has has stopped her in her tracks here. but it's a bit of a pyrrhic victory for him because in the uk people aren't particularly interested. there's a remarkable ambivalence really. as you say, 61% think that 16 is too young, but most don't really have that strong opinions either way. don't understand what the bill is about. so the news agenda all about this issue, agenda is all about this issue, which sunak doesn't have a huge amount of control over and isn't amount of control over and isn't a big vote. one of the conservatives that's been running up past says, what do you too young for you think is 16 too young for somebody to say, i want change my gender without any reference a gp they change it within a gp they can change it within the law in scotland it's going to change if you live in opposite gender for six months then you can change your gender. no, i totally agree. i think 16 is too young. you're a child as i think where i was before the 18 well where it is currently

think is the age should be and i'm concerned that as the scottish was saying that bad faith actors might actually use this to advantage and actually abuse the rights women and that's what i'm concerned about so all for trans people i'm trans advocate but i'm concerned people might be nefarious and use this bill if it does pass in scotland it's to their advantage unscrupulous male who's now defining as a woman to go into a woman's only changing room, for instance. well, exactly . instance. well, exactly. designated spaces just for women feel like people that are changed their gender because this bill would propose that if you are living your acquired sex for months. actually i was reading. yeah that it's then accepted instead of the two years which it is at the moment and also for the gender recognition certificates that would the bill is proposing that it would change from 18 to 16.

and as i said, i think 16 is far too young and i think it's actually to the detriment of women as well ask you being women as well to ask you being of a younger generation, how many people in, your social set mates , friends, family, do you mates, friends, family, do you know who are troubled about their gender are talking about their gender are talking about the fact that they think perhaps they're in the wrong body ? i they're in the wrong body? i mean, i'm 22 people. my age. i have i have a couple friends that have spoken about it. i think it's those discussions are more prevalent now because hear about you hear about it all the time . and i think there's time. and i think there's perhaps a bit more of an acceptability , those types of acceptability, those types of conversations. but i wouldn't say the majority of my friends are talking about it, but i think it's good that we're having these discussions, but i think there needs to be an age at you can actually at which you can actually formally decide change your formally decide to change your gender to have it certified gender or to have it certified in law . and i think the age in law. and i think the age should be seen . another, it's should be seen. another, it's not 16. well, for i think it's done absolutely the right . i done absolutely the right. i think 16 is far too young. and i nicholas is just using

nicholas sturgeon is just using trans people as a political football . now we're going to football. now we're going to stay that people's poll stay with that people's poll because they that we were we asked that to asked people in that vote to talk government's new talk about the government's new anti which anti strike legislation which is designed of course, anti strike legislation which is d

say, i mean , couple of months say, i mean, couple of months ago it looked though support for the strikers was down month on month, month . a new poll came month, month. a new poll came out suggesting that support was lower had been the month lower than it had been the month . now sunak has sort of gone . but now sunak has sort of gone nuclear with and strike got which let's remember government is repeating there is lots of evidence for this that that actually is not that nuclear it's just would bring britain into line with france and germany but the public isn't particularly supportive it now is that because the public is essentially split on the type of strikers and how much they support and what it seems has happened now is supporting sort of empty way for the rail strike as people get more and more fed up with not being able to get their trains to work. and as people more statistics what people see more statistics what some higher page rail some of the higher page rail workers but support nurses workers earn but support nurses and ambulance workers doesn't seem to shrinking at all. and people blame the government when their relative doesn't get

picked up, when they when they have a horrible fall. not the themselves. so again , bad news themselves. so again, bad news for the prime minister i think he has to stick to his guns on that too. so maybe i'm reading it wrong too that. was olivia utley political ? now we utley gb news political? now we can speak with mark lehane, who's of education the who's head of education at the centre because , centre policy studies because, mark, we're talking the about about anti—racism in schools and teachers saying that there's not enough proper training. what's view about this ? well, i think view about this? well, i think and thanks having me on this afternoon i think it's one of those things teachers really need to tread a very very careful line they're to teach not to preach . and i think if not to preach. and i think if they do cross that line and it's only right that families and parents do worry about it and not have to pick up with the school , take it on from that . school, take it on from that. what about the strikes, mark? the teachers going on strike again ? i think in during the again? i think in during the pandemic schools in britain were

closed more any other country in europe apart from italy not much of a not much of a credit for the department of education, the teaching unions. i was a teacher and head teacher for 15 years. i was a trade union rep in my first school. so you know been there, seen it, done it. but i do worry that the strikes now are the wrong move for the wrong reason at the time. it's the wrong move because right now we should together. everybody is should be together. everybody is the cost of living pressures we've all been through covid when we should be coming together . these strikes are together. these strikes are actually very divisive , as actually very divisive, as you've already mentioned , the you've already mentioned, the strikes themselves weren't massive the support for teachers less than half of the national education union members actually voted for the strike. so i worry that the strikes will set, will split staff firms will split headteachers from their staff and schools against and potentially schools against communities. it's the wrong reason because although are less well paper, they were maybe a few years ago relatively they're

still pretty well—paid aren't the average teachers pay and pension altogether is over £50,000 a year, which is not bad compared to the average man or woman on the street. and in terms of timing , as you would terms of timing, as you would intimated, we've just been through covid, the kids learning been affected so much , parents been affected so much, parents have more disrupted learning, just really, really sad and. what a nightmare for parents. they had to come to grips with onune they had to come to grips with online teaching during the pandemic. they've now to pandemic. they've now got to work look after work. who's going to look after the children if they're working parents during? this latest strike? you a child at strike? and if you a child at the lower end of the income scale, almost your was scale, almost certainly your was more adversely affected during the pandemic and the same will happen again. and of course we know some vulnerable they're safe school and i hate to say safe in school and i hate to say they're not as safe in some occasions at home. yeah i mean this is really going to disrupt lots and lots of families. not only will they have the hassle trying to keep their children learning if they're at home, lots of parents won't have the

conflicts . but might be i've conflicts. but it might be i've got can work home to got where i can work home to supervise children lots of is supervise my children lots of is going to have to take time off work potentially and work potentially lose income and this of a cost this is in the middle of a cost of crisis quite of living crisis where quite well paid teachers and other pubuc well paid teachers and other public sector professionals might be causing other families to lose income. and that's why i worry that these strikes not only thing for only bring the wrong thing for children i think they're the wrong thing the profession . wrong thing for the profession. teaching think, the fourth teaching is, i think, the fourth or most trusted profession or fifth most trusted profession , the country. that , the country. i worry that these may end up creating a backlash against teaching and damaging reputation of teaching and given that we have a shortage of people coming into the profession, we want be the profession, we want to be everything we to boost the everything we can to boost the reputation teaching, not reputation of teaching, not doing something might doing something that might damage but damage it just finally, but we've got this enormous problem with the coordinated strikes next month in february . do you next month in february. do you detect do you fear that perhaps the teaching unions are part of some concerted campaign by the trade unions to actually cause as much grief as possible for the conservative government ? it

the conservative government? it would appear that there is an awful lot of coordination on between the trade unions. 1st of february we're going to see an awful lot of different sectors, awful lot of different sectors, a lot of different workers walking out if. a lot of different workers walking out if . the a lot of different workers walking out if. the aim a lot of different workers walking out if . the aim is to walking out if. the aim is to create the maximum amount of chaos! create the maximum amount of chaos i guess it's because the unions thing is going to be really, really bad, the government and potentially going to my hunch to cause them damage. my hunch is as seen polling is, as we've seen with polling where initially public support was quite pro, the train drivers going strike, the latest poll shows now that people have experienced disruption, they're much supportive . i think much less supportive. i think the same is going to happen with other other professions other sectors other professions as strike. and as they go on strike. and i genuinely if they genuinely think if they think they're going to bring the country knees, is not country to the knees, is not going do that. it may up going to do that. it may end up turning the of public turning the bulk of public opinion in those opinion against people in those jobs with the that's mark jobs with the 1. that's mark lehane, head of education at the centre policy studies. lehane, head of education at the centre so policy studies. lehane, head of education at the centre so much studies. lehane, head of education at the centre so much stljoining. he thanks so much forjoining. he was with. i'm andrew was gb news with. i'm andrew pierce. go anywhere. up pierce. don't go anywhere. up next, discussing next, we'll be discussing the bishops church bishops of the church of england. they same sex

england. they allow same sex couples, partnership couples, attorneys partnership to in church and to have god in church and they're also apologising for hurt to gay community. think gay community really cares what these bishops saying? i'll ask you after that, after a quick . you after that, after a quick. break on mark dolan tonight in world exclusive katie price joins us live to talk fame, love, money, plastic and her hopes for the future . get tuned, hopes for the future. get tuned, respect gb news. i made some up with my old mate, mark dolan. it's been a ages since i've done an interview with him. that's katie price on mark dolan tonight on gb news is.

you're watching or listening to andrew pierce here on tv news now bishops of the church of england have made a big forward, they think, for the first time after six years of consultation, they're going to allow same sex couples, been couples, if they've been a civil partnership, go to church, to partnership, to go to church, to have a blessing . their civil have a blessing. their civil marriage . but they but the idea marriage. but they but the idea of gay couples having a wedding ceremony in church is still verboten. so the church thinks they've made a step forward. i'm going to speak now to reverend dr. ian paul, who's a member of the general synod and the archbishop's counsel of the church of england and if i could, reverend paul, this has to be approved by the general synod . i think it's a rather synod. i think it's a rather interesting position, isn't it, because the church of england is now saying they will enable a blessing for a couple in a civil partnership. but really partnership. but it really doesn't civil doesn't approve of civil partnerships, really, unless, of course couple the civil course, couple in the civil partnership are celibate. and i'm not how you're going to

i'm not sure how you're going to know that . well, it's actually know that. well, it's actually quite complicated . in fact, what quite complicated. in fact, what the bishops are now doing is offering something which doesn't have to be approved in and i'm not sure it's a yes exactly how it's presented . and it's going to be presented. and certainly one or two of the bishops have publicly , bishops have said publicly, we're going to be commending these is going these prayers synod is going to be them, we're be asked about them, but we're going come what may. going to use them come what may. so part so i think part of the complication here that the complication here is that the bishops have decided they're actually passing out in bishops have decided they're a

because i for vicar doesn't want to do a blessing if they don't agree with it they don't have to but i the difficulty with that is it seems to make believing in the doctrine of the church for clergy which is quite an unusual approach. so i mean, you know, when you're ordained, you take vows. you take vows that you will uphold the teaching of the church will you will church that you will you will passit church that you will you will pass it on to others. you pass on the faith in time that you will life according to will your own life according to the church the doctrine teaching the church as received as part the as we've received as part of the church catholic rooted , grounded church catholic rooted, grounded in church in scripture. the church of england quite england says that quite explicitly so how the bishops can propose that it's a can now propose that it's a choice as to or not. you believe the teaching of the church clergy. just seems to to clergy. it just seems to me to be very approach. be very a very strange approach. it's copout, isn't it? after six years, reverend paul, that's it. an right to have? i wouldn't say say . well, it's not so much say. well, it's not so much a copout it's an attempt to compromise, but it's difficult is it's not possible to compromise on whether or not you

believe in the church, adoption of marriage i mean, other churches around the world have kind of attempted, they think has been a compromise, but it's never been compromise. it's always that ends always been something that ends up dividing, up with churches dividing, it ends collapsing ends up with churches collapsing . you look at the . i mean, if you look at the church in wales, scottish church in wales, the scottish episcopal episcopal episcopal church, the episcopal church america, every single church in america, every single one them who's begun one of them who's either begun to changes in to was implemented. changes in understanding marriage, understanding of marriage, every single they single one of them, they attendance at church is plummeted because if people see a church that doesn't actually believe own doctrine, they think, well, what's point thing ? i think that's director dr. reverend dr. evil, member of the general synod and the archbishop's counsel at the church of england gathering in my studios . parsons from our my studios. parsons from our partners what a complete dogs so we still don't recognise we civil partnerships as long as the couple aren't having sex how on earth do they know if couple of having sex. it's ridiculous . of having sex. it's ridiculous. you can have a blessing, but only if the vicar approves that they could doesn't you they could doesn't approve. you can't. the way , if you can't. and by the way, if you

think can get married in our think you can get married in our churches. can't what you you churches. you can't what you you i mean you said, i think it's i mean as you said, i think it's ridiculous in the sense that you have to get an approval from the vicar to even have a blessing. but i even think the idea of thatis but i even think the idea of that is really condescending and quite patronising for gay couples who are looking to get married and the best the church of england can offer is an or a blessing based on the approval of a vicar i think is ridiculous. i honestly think it's ridiculous and it's not really progression in my eyes . really progression in my eyes. after six years of consultation , asians among some of these bishops and i think the bishop oxford actually spoke out about the teachings of the church of england and how that should change. but some of the change. but for some of the bishops part synods bishops, a part of the synods who claimed it's evolutionary , i who claimed it's evolutionary, i don't think is a tool evolution . i think it's really archaic , . i think it's really archaic, actually, and i think more should be done to , have a bit should be done to, have a bit more acceptance for gay couples. i'm gay . and i think hearing

i'm gay. and i think hearing this disheartens me, especially because i'm religious as well . because i'm religious as well. this doesn't fill me with much confidence . all no, what we've confidence. all no, what we've got two gay people in the studio. well, i'm in a civil actually, and i didn't need the church. bless it. and i think this complete mess by the this is complete mess by the church of england. and another great triumph for welby, great triumph for justin welby, the archbishop , increasingly too the archbishop, increasingly too busy on about the busy wittering on about the number of asylum seekers coming to britain. you're listening to andrew pierce here on news. andrew pierce here on gb news. plenty come in the plenty still to come in the final the guest final half hour of the my guest is staying here with me in the studio asking should teach studio and asking should teach is received compulsory anti—racism training. i look should jeremy clarkson he know what he wrote about meghan markle i don't like but should she be counselled this to come but first he needs update . but first he needs update. afternoon it's 134 i'm rhiannon afternoon it's134 i'm rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom next month will see the biggest strike action ever to hit the

nhs after ambulance workers announced a further action in a dispute . pay and staffing . dispute. pay and staffing. 10,000 ambulance staff with the gmb union are already scheduled to join thousands of nurses in strike action on the 6th of february and unite has announced workers from five ambulance trusts in england, wales , trusts in england, wales, northern ireland will also walk out on that day with ten further strikes planned in the coming weeks. downing street has called the action disappointing , but the action disappointing, but says they're very much open to discussions . gb news can reveal discussions. gb news can reveal that eu citizens living and in the uk without a visa are now face the real prospect of a rest . new guidance allows the detention and removal of those eu working here illegally . gb eu working here illegally. gb news was given exclusive access to follow immigration office officers as they raided businesses in london. they arrested two eu citizens from romania who officers were in the uk without work visas. a 19 year

old has pleaded guilty to plotting an islamist terror , plotting an islamist terror, allegedly targeting police officers or military personnel . officers or military personnel. matthew king appeared at the old bailey this morning. he's alleged to have carried out surveillance at police stations, railway stations , magistrate's railway stations, magistrate's court and a british army barracks. authorities had been tipped off about king's for an anti—terrorist hotline after he posted a video on a group opposing . and ukrainian opposing. and ukrainian president vladimir has held talks with 50 western nations , talks with 50 western nations, urging them to give more military aid to support their fight against russia . kyiv has fight against russia. kyiv has requested 300 tanks, including germany , highly regarded leopard germany, highly regarded leopard to. germany's defence minister says they're ready to move quickly should an agreement be reached . their allies . tv online reached. their allies. tv online on dab+ radio this is gb news. don't go anywhere. andrew will be back in just a moment.

welcome with andrew pierce here on tv news. so is there a problem in the classroom with teachers and racism. because a survey for the centre for mental and not so micro campaign and the not so micro campaign says 94% of the think anti—rape racism training should be given to all school staff. apparently less than a third of teachers have ever received any training on racism or something called micro aggression, which is defined a daily racial bias against people of colour. well can speak now to anti—racism and also an author of the black lives protest emanating . and i'm lives protest emanating. and i'm still joined, of course, by my studio ryan parsons email . great studio ryan parsons email. great to have you back. thank you for having me. when you were at school, did you detect teachers

were not so much perhaps they were not so much perhaps they were racism, but they weren't spotting racism in the classroom . so there was racism and they spotting it. so. so i just have to make it clear. i truly believe anti—racism training be mandatory. the biggest reason why is our frame of reference when it comes to racism in this country is overt racism. so that is racial prejudice. that is obvious , deliberate and direct. obvious, deliberate and direct. right. however as a nation, we transitioned overt racism to convert after the change in equalities laws, and these laws ultimately fostered a culture of hiding and disguising prejudice as opposed to acknowledging and rectifying it. firstly emergence of covert racism, which is sort of covert racism, which is sort of prejudice. so it's like give me an example of a covert racial prejudice that you've suffered , prejudice that you've suffered, for instance. oh, my gosh, i well , give for instance. oh, my gosh, i well, give you an obvious one. all lives matter . so perfect all lives matter. so perfect example of racial prejudice. so that would be a direct response to . the slogan black lives . so to. the slogan black lives. so it's shrouded, as i've always said , shrouded in racial

said, shrouded in racial prejudice . and what usually prejudice. and what usually happens is racial prejudice is disguised it's hidden and it's often explained and justified in a way that society would deem acceptable. so when you say the term all lives matter , it's term all lives matter, it's a factual statement. so therefore you with because it's a you lead with it because it's a fact. yeah but of course it's is shrouded in racial prejudice. this is in response to term this is in response to the term black that's black lives matter. so that's a perfect , how racism perfect example, how racism could very subtle and. let's could be very subtle and. let's bnng could be very subtle and. let's bring you into conversation bring you into the conversation . you're you were at school until four years ago, till you wrote that. so the best place and anyone hey, where which part of the country at school. i went to a very small school in south—east london, right? yes, it was it was like 400 students in a school. yeah, private in a school. yeah, it a private school. very diverse . school. it wasn't very diverse. right. really these right. so i didn't really these micro aggressions is racist microaggressions taking place in the school. but i do have friends because now my friendships are very diverse. i've met all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds. when abroad, in london, wherever

and they have explains that they have suffered from these microaggressions. but i'm not sure how widespread the issue is in schools around the uk as to whether that should warrant compulsory or daily whatever kind of training for teachers . kind of training for teachers. overt racism is prevalent within the uk . who does the training the uk. who does the training for the teachers? who are? who should they say that they make me responsible as an anti—racism consultant who would go into higher education and, try to implement anti—racism initiatives. so it would typically be a consultant of some form . again, i'd never some form. again, i'd never heard the expression me micro—aggression racism does. it does microaggression only apply in the world of race? or could be applied to be taken any form of everything. this is my profession . it's gaze. yes, profession. it's gaze. yes, exactly. right. why don't use the term microaggression? because could have because i could have a microaggression. purely because you nice you're very you very nice today. you're very composed . and i'm just going to composed. and i'm just going to give microaggression give you a microaggression because i'm. anyone can have a microaggression. so what i try to make sure we use to do is just make sure we use specific language. so the

specific language. and so the language actually talking language we're actually talking about racism, racial about is covert racism, racial prejudice that is subtle and discrete and. it's also known as microaggressions or everyday racism. the correct term is racism. but the correct term is covert racism . just finally on covert racism. just finally on this . have covert racism. just finally on this. have you had a call? i mean, are you going into schools and universal . i currently work and universal. i currently work every now university , so. yes. every now university, so. yes. and how much ignorance did you find amongst the staff about micro—aggression racism? i think it's the typical the general consensusis it's the typical the general consensus is that the frame of reference when thinking about racism is obvious , deliberate racism is obvious, deliberate and direct. so we think of the term n—word and you think really derogatory ? that's when we think derogatory? that's when we think about racism and actual fact. we shifted a long time ago, racism no obvious and it's no longer obvious and it's actually quite subtle to and can be unintentional . and that is be unintentional. and that is the current racism that is prevalent in society. that's what we're dealing with. i swear to you right, mark, by the way, would you take the knee have you taken knee and would take taken the knee and would take the knee in a black lives matter

protest? mean, haven't the knee in a black lives matter prchave mean, haven't the knee in a black lives matter prchave i mean, haven't the knee in a black lives matter prchave i didn't mean, haven't the knee in a black lives matter prchave i didn't take], haven't the knee in a black lives matter prchave i didn't take parts|ven't the knee in a black lives matter prchave i didn't take parts in n't . i have i didn't take parts in the black matter protest the black lives matter protest when it took place during the pandemic. i have a lot of friends that are black. i have i support , you know , stamping out support, you know, stamping out racism. and i will taking the knee. it'sjust racism. and i will taking the knee. it's just like, you know, it's okay for luther king and not blacklivesmatter and i appreciate what you're saying in terms of the racism and how that's uk. that's prevalent around the uk. and to that and you've got to see that people our universities . people are in our universities. i absolutely. i think there should further and well, should be further and well, i mean, this is just obvious, but i do think that scotland's reputation and think a reputation and i think that's a great thing . all right. that's great thing. all right. that's emanating . she's going to be emanating. she's going to be back, i'm sure doubt and but and more than that more than one occasion now today very interesting story. a group of soldiers going to finish 100 mile to babbs mill in mile march to babbs mill in solihull. they're led by sergeant hawkings. they're members the royal hussars . members from the royal hussars. they've walking their they've been walking from their base birmingham. base in tidworth to birmingham. they're raising money for birmingham's children's hospital. remember hospital. and to remember those four remember that

four boys. do you remember that tragedy who lost lives in the lake just over a month ago? we're going to cross now to gb news midlands reporter jack news west midlands reporter jack carson, who's been following the event. carson, who's been following the event . well, good afternoon , event. well, good afternoon, andrew, in literally just seconds ago, the soldiers here arrived to finish that. like you said, 100 mile walk from their base down into both in wiltshire, all the way up they've stopped in towns like swin dunn in warwick and they finally made it on the final leg of their journey literally just seconds teddy , have seconds ago to lay a teddy, have a few words of remembrance between themselves , completed between themselves, completed the final leg of their journey with members of the community here and they've up here and they've just met up with own families to with their own families to reflect on journey it's reflect on what a journey it's been over the last 100 miles. sergeant brad hawkins, who's the one that kind instigated all one that kind of instigated all of grew up in community, of this, grew up in community, used to play down by the lake when there was a boating club that went to school around here . and so this this tragedy . and so this when this tragedy happened, he felt like he had to

do and being, of course, based do. and being, of course, based with with the royal hussars down in wiltshire, he couldn't get here and be part of this community. what it was mourning of that tragedy. so we of course that tragedy. so we wanted to do and the wanted to do and with the permission family decided permission of his family decided to a 100 mile charity walk to do a 100 mile charity walk from base in tidworth all the way to here in at the lake in in in solihull . and i spoke to in solihull. and i spoke to sergeant hawkins , the walk and sergeant hawkins, the walk and how it felt doing it. and here's what he had to say. so how it felt doing it. and here's what he had to say . so obviously what he had to say. so obviously being part of the kingsley community is just essentially giving back to the families and the community itself, because what small come together it was was emotional too. i mean, and me being down south in tidworth , i couldn't i couldn't give back in a sense. so i just thought myself that i need to do something. it's been at times it's very much like mind at the start it was kind of it's just walking. so, i mean, it'll be all right then. i think 50 miles in and blister appearing,

swelling come in we've pushed past it. we got rid to the demons. i mean, the support as well. we've had lads keep joining for us the legs and what's kept me through all of it . just getting to the end too . i . just getting to the end too. i mean like it's a full month something i want to finish it and essentially that's why i want do again, pain or not, want to do again, pain or not, i'll do it too. i mean, so that's the main reason is for the families well and just the families as well and just being to remember the boys being able to remember the boys . just over oh just under being able to remember the boys . just over oh just unde r £2,000 . just over oh just under £2,000 has been great so far for sergeant hawkins, his own justgiving page for the birmingham children's hospital, the main justgiving page was set up after this. after the tragedy here is raised around hundred thousand pounds for the family of the boys. and, of course , the of the boys. and, of course, the birmingham children's hospital as well. as you can see behind me by the tree, this memorial has not stopped growing since that tragedies community's only just over a month since just been over a month since tragedy community tragedy happened. the community still continues mourn those

still continues to mourn those four boys and this 100 mile march continue . it's been march continue. it's been finalised today and been finished today. just seconds ago to remember this awful tragedy. all right. that that was jack castle in the west midlands. jeremy clarkson, you can't get away from the reverberations continue from that extra ordinary and appalling column he wrote about make a mark or the duchess of sussex now is he a victim of cancel culture? in his column about meghan, he sparked outrage among the media. amazon reportedly cutting ties with him and his show, clarkson's farm and his show, clarkson's farm and the grand tour looks set to be on the chopping board, too. well, let's to madeleine grant, who's a columnist at daily telegraph, who wrote a very spiky piece about that this week. madeleine, good afternoon to andrew. thanks for to you. hi andrew. thanks for having me. a pleasure . think having me. a pleasure. think both you and i could agree it was pretty appalling what he wrote about meghan. he wanted to say naked street say of walking naked down street being having faeces thrown and saying that he thought she was more loathsome than the serial

killer. west but should he killer. rose west but should he be cancelled? should he lose his column sun and the sunday column in the sun and the sunday times work ? times and lose all tv work? well, no, i think i, i think the trouble was that everyone took that extremely literally . i felt that extremely literally. i felt that extremely literally. i felt that it was extremely tasteless, bad joke in poor taste. it didn't really land and he did not make it anywhere clear enough that this was a reference to scene from game of thrones. so many people took at his word. but what think is kind of important to remember is that although that joke, it's although he made that joke, it's not no means a kind of not it's by no means a kind of literal incitement violence. literal incitement to violence. and i saw an awful lot of people responding to the column as if that was literally what he was doing when in fact, it was a joke. mean, a joke joke. i mean, clearly a joke that barely landed or land at all, but a joke nevertheless. and i mean, you in the grand scheme of free issues , scheme of free speech issues, don't think jeremy don't think that jeremy clarkson's potentially losing his job is like the top of the pile, because whatever happens, he will still have, i'm sure, endless possible and opportunities. and that's true

of everyone that falls foul . the of everyone that falls foul. the free speech rules of today . but free speech rules of today. but i find it extremely troubling because it seems that these kind outrages follow a very similar pattern . there's the initial pattern. there's the initial social media for rory . it social media for rory. it doesn't matter if you apologise mean jeremy clarkson apologised in various different ways. several times and it doesn't seem to any difference. and i don't like the that it's impossible to make a bad joke it doesn't land say something tasteless distasteful whatever and there's no kind of possible for redemption in public life. i think that quite badly for as a society where people inevitably make mistakes . do you think society where people inevitably make mistakes. do you think his apology the most recent apology, madeleine, was sincere or was it because he feared he might get the boot from amazon . well, the boot from amazon. well, i don't know. i mean , i don't don't know. i mean, i don't know. jeremy clarkson . i do know. jeremy clarkson. i do think you do generally to try and give people the benefit of the doubt. and i don't like the

way that everyone assumes there's a kind of very cynical motive for everything. it seems that rather than i mean, maybe was the cynical reason for it but sort of don't like the idea that. someone apologises and. the apology is seized on almost used as an of guilt or or disbelieve we need to have a path for people to make mistakes and keep doing what they're doing without always being with this process cancellation that has to take place . all right, has to take place. all right, madeleine, thanks for joining us. madeleine grant columnist at the daily telegraph. still with me course, is me in the studio, of course, is emanating , you you are an emanating, you know, you are an anti—racism campaigner, know emanating, you know, you are an anti-you sm campaigner, know emanating, you know, you are an anti-you would npaigner, know emanating, you know, you are an anti-you would have ner, know emanating, you know, you are an anti-you would have hatediow emanating, you know, you are an anti-you would have hated the that you would have hated the meghan jeremy meghan markle column by jeremy clarkson. so did i but i agree with matt madeleine he shouldn't be every media be sacked from every media outlet because of one column that was ill judged and offensive. so i actually with you which is not the first time this quite a few times apologies . so i do agree with you but i will for me personally, as much as don't subscribe to cancel

as i don't subscribe to cancel culture, admit culture, i have to admit i personally believe jeremy clarkson should have been cancelled time ago . he cancelled a long time ago. he actually song eeny actually sung the song eeny meeny, miny mo catch the n—word by its he hollers, let by its toe. if he hollers, let him go eeny, meeny, miny, mony song. national on top song. that's national tv on top gean song. that's national tv on top gear, referring to n—word. i gear, referring to the n—word. i don't to it out that don't need to spell it out that is blatant racism. so as far as i'm concerned, if he wasn't counsel he doesn't really counsel back, he doesn't really need does he? need to be counsel, does he? what of it, bryan? what did you make of it, bryan? remark , i agree with you remark well, i agree with you and, with you as well . we're all and, with you as well. we're all supposed be arguing, so i supposed be arguing, so i suppose disagreeing not. well, i think. look i think he's apologised, he's apologised multiple times. he's, he's emailed meghan and harry after they issued a statement on christmas day . odd day to do it. christmas day. odd day to do it. exactly how did you get the email. it exciting but i'm over. i read his apology on and i thought it was very sincere and i think there should be a pathway to allow people to, you know, make mistakes , but also know, make mistakes, but also not to be concerned

indefinitely. and he has apologised . he accepts he made apologised. he accepts he made some foul comments and i think that so what he said in the column was so distasteful she got in the paper. what i also thought was interesting, i'm a great of game thrones. he great fan of game thrones. he he said borrowed this analogy of said he borrowed this analogy of throwing faeces at a naked meghan markle from wasn't clear and the caller said afterwards yeah because because there was a scene like that in game of thrones. but the person who was subjected to that treatment, game was queen says game of thrones was queen says he's who's probably the most evil writer tv, and evil female writer in tv, and she in decades. he she checked in decades. so he made sort worse a way. made it sort of worse a way. yes. already said that, yes. having already said that, meghan is , he he finds meghan markle is, he he finds her less he finds that more offensive than rose way. and that's what's even more about it, i find. i think that's what makes it even more disgusting is that actually compare that you can actually compare the were awesome but the two. they were awesome but he thought there was. he actually thought there was. yeah but i also think yeah but i but but i also think not wanting to defend jeremy clarkson but i can but i think it was when reading the column and even said it was rush in

and he even said it was rush in his own words he said it was rushed he didn't really check properly, think is comedic properly, but i think is comedic hyperbole. , i think hyperbole. i think, i think there is a licence to be too prods the yeah i think prods the reader. yeah i think that's what his intention was crossed the line and did do very but can i just say as somebody who's written a newspaper column for years the for nationalists for years the idea that you write and you didn't realise you've didn't really realise you've written and you sent, it was only look back. only after as you look back. doesn't that. yeah if only after as you look back. doe pore that. yeah if only after as you look back. doe pore over that. yeah if only after as you look back. doe pore over yourhat. yeah if only after as you look back. doe pore over your copy’eah if only after as you look back. doe pore over your copy for] if you pore over your copy for hours, even if you're jeremy clarkson and if one clarkson and even if he's one of those columnists, those celebrated columnists, he's can't he's got a deal where you can't change word of his copy. if i've been editing that as ain't going to make unless think so however i'd keep in the paper and if i'd keep him in the paper and if sun readers times readers sun readers sunday times readers don't like it they can stop buying the paper. that's way buying the paper. that's the way cancel work in my cancel culture should work in my view. agree there should be view. i agree there should be more democratic. and think, more democratic. and i think, like you said, people should decide opposed to the bosses decide as opposed to the bosses cutting people off, etc. yeah, would you be horrified if jeremy clarkson turned up at your brunel university brunel

university? yes, i'd be quite yes for no university had discussed it, but would you choose it? no, because i'm an advocate for free speech and i believe that every side the story should be told, which is you cogent argument to you have a cogent argument to back and would you go and back up and would you go and listen to him now? right. i wouldn't wouldn't, wouldn't, wouldn't i wouldn't, i wouldn't, you people from you know, deter people from doing i personally doing it. but i personally wouldn't crowds wouldn't be there. the crowds cheering well what about cheering him on. well what about you, would you and you, rym? would you go and listen to him? i would, because he's always interesting. yeah, i quite not wrong word, quite often not very wrong word, vehemently with him. yeah, i agree. and i it's good to vehemently disagree with people . that's why i would listen to him. also find it quite him. and i also find it quite funny. you funny. i like his humour. you know, everything know, not everything i appreciates like joke appreciates is lines like joke he made in the in the column. but think generally he's a funny guy and yeah would i would guy and yeah i would i would listen jeremy clarkson it's not been much pointed don't been much pointed out i don't think has been back think his column has been back in sun since. yes bomb in the sun since. yes bomb dropped oh goodness. that dropped. oh goodness. for that we're running out of time. so i want thank imani for coming want to thank imani for coming on. a ride . mark on. it's been a joy ride. mark parsons, first on my parsons, first time on my programme. come again, programme. when you come again, he i, he was in that

he was in i, he was in that dating programme last year i was same thing as well. yeah. i did a dating programme called celebsgodating he didn't win. well no didn't learn to dates. they said it a good day. no it was okay. but they fled to dubai after. oh gosh. so i scared them away. why not repeat that on national tv? thank you've been watching and listening to andrew pierce here on tv news. the show is back every friday till to see you next week. don't go anywhere because up next it's, the briefing with the fabulous arlene . and you won't want to arlene. and you won't want to miss it for that we're going to get that very cold get the latest on that very cold weather . hello, get the latest on that very cold weather. hello, i'm aidan mcgivern , the met office. it's mcgivern, the met office. it's still cold out there. widespread frost as we started the day. but it's a sunny day for , most with it's a sunny day for, most with fewer showers and winds compared with recent days. well, we've got the moment is a transition penod got the moment is a transition period the is that we've seen through the week clearing away a ridge of high following before the winds and two further

weather systems from the west bringing cloud rain and rain with them. but it's going to take time for those weather to arrive and in the west, just the signs of that with some additional cloud for cornwall, pembrokeshire for example, one or two spots of rain, a few light showers, the east. but for the vast majority , bright, the vast majority, bright, sparkling winter sunshine and 5 to 7 celsius with light winds feeling pleasant enough into the evening, 1 to 2 showers continue in the east at four time. few ice patches because of that. otherwise widespread clear skies from the northwest and, temperatures falling away as a result , looking at temperatures falling away as a result, looking at minus five to minus six or seven in some sheltered spots and some dense freezing fog patches to start things off across the vale of york into the midlands. the welsh marches and the southwest. they'll take some time clear, but a bright start away from those fog patches . but for those fog patches. but for scotland and northern thickening

cloud through the night, some outbreaks of rain move in during saturday into the west, predominantly . but as those predominantly. but as those outbreaks of rain reach grampians, there's the risk of freezing or snow above about 300 metres for england and wales. meanwhile, sunny skies once again and light winds. so another pleasant day but for western scotland it's going to turn increasingly windy as winds reaching gale force around the western isles and another spell of rain moving here as well. so increasing the damp in the northwest, but the rain not particularly heavy towards the southeast. it stays that colder , but also a little brighter .

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