hi there at 6:00. i'm michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& c0, the show where dewberry and this is dewbs& co, the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got you talking. i'll tell you what's got me wondering. keir starmer , what are the f is he starmer, what are the f is he doing around davos.7 doing wandering around davos.7 it hasn't unnoticed. have to hasn't gone unnoticed. i have to say. of the bosses at the eu say. one of the bosses at the eu was being quoted today saying they cannot until keir they cannot wait until keir starmer becomes the next prime minister of this country. i'm sure that they can't quite frankly, because i suspect it would be quite a soft touch. am

i wrong? i would be quite a soft touch. am i wrong.7 i want your would be quite a soft touch. am i wrong? i want your thoughts on that. and i don't know about you , but it feels to me like kids these days are increasing violence. i mean, fights , of violence. i mean, fights, of course, everyone used to have them. it was part of growing up in some schools, but what goes on these days? kids regularly, it feels like mattering at all. gangs kicking people in. faces stomping on heads . are kids stomping on heads. are kids getting more and more violent or is it just social media means it's easy to easy stuff if they are getting more violent, what's causing it and how do we deal with it? and ukraine, more meetings, more suggestions , more meetings, more suggestions, more developments. but germany seems to be dragging its feet . it all to be dragging its feet. it all stems down to tanks. should the uk put pressure on germany to allow their tanks to be exported to it? what's it got to do with those? what other countries do? should we be pioneering, pushing . leading from the front ? what's . leading from the front? what's your thoughts on that? and of all the things that, quite

frankly, i think the people should have better things to think about. seatbelts across rishi sunak's chest is one of them. but so many people right now obsess . it's got his own now obsess. it's got his own hashtag hashtag belt. get the police an apparently looking into whether or not he's committed a crime. give me a break. if you want to look into something, look into the criminal backlog that you've got on your books, look into the outstanding that people outstanding issues that people in your have. is wrong in your area have. what is wrong with police ? i'm a bit with the police? i'm a bit harsh. you me. but first, harsh. you tell me. but first, let's into tonight's latest let's get into tonight's latest headunes. let's get into tonight's latest headlines . michelle, thank you. headlines. michelle, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the nhs will see the biggest strike action ever in the industry next month as the unite union announced ten further days of industrial action by ambulance workers in the coming weeks, they joined 10,000 ambulance staff with the gmb union, along with the royal

college of nursing in joint action the 6th of february, the workers across england, wales and northern ireland are walking out in a long running dispute over pay and staffing. downing street says it's disappointed, but that open to further discussions . ukraine's volodymyr discussions. ukraine's volodymyr zelenskyy has been holding talks with 50 western nations and germany today to garner further support in their fight against russia . kyiv have requested 300 russia. kyiv have requested 300 tanks. the us announced a further tanks. the us announced a furthe r £2 billion worth of further £2 billion worth of support for ukraine, while the uk has said it will provide 14 challenger tanks . meanwhile, challenger tanks. meanwhile, germany have yet to make a decision on whether they will send tanks to the war torn country. the us defence secretary , lloyd austin, secretary, lloyd austin, commended the uk for agreeing to supply those tanks all of today . so announcements are a direct result of our work at the contact group and these are important new commitments demonstrate the ongoing resolve

of our allies and partners to help ukraine defend itself because this isn't just about ukraine security , it's also ukraine security, it's also about european security , and about european security, and it's about global security . a it's about global security. a new report into england's fire and rescue services says reforms are needed as a matter of urgency. the watchdog says just two of the six recommendations made by the chief inspectorate have been fulfilled . in an have been fulfilled. in an annual report, the chief inspector, andy cook , says he's inspector, andy cook, says he's frustrated at the lack of progress made since inspections started in 2018. but the chief fire officer at leicester fire and rescue , callum faint, says and rescue, callum faint, says he's confident the force is improving . a really good report improving. a really good report for us. it shows the advancements we've made over the last three years. whilst we accept the feedback from the previous report, we were slightly disappointed in it and we a service have responded we as a service have responded as a whole. leicestershire fire and service is the fourth and rescue service is the fourth best delivering share

best at delivering the share number home fire safety number of home fire safety checks. what we got checks. what we have got a little bit of work to do is the number referrals coming number of referrals coming in from partners incredibly from our partners is incredibly high and we need to make sure we get the right of get the right amount of resources address those home resources to address those home fire really fire safety checks. i'm really confident of the confident by the time of the next we will be at next inspection, we will be at a good level across the board of all areas that were assessed by hmrc office. the police hmrc office. the met police commissioner, sir mark rowley, has promised a thorough review of the force's culture and standards in an effort to root out corrupt officers such as former officer david carrick. mr. rowley said the next two years are critical to achieving our goals, including assurances such as investing in diversity to become anti—racist organisation. it comes as the national police chiefs council urging police chiefs across england and wales to have all officers checked against national databases by the end of march . the home office says march. the home office says survivors of rape are having

significant amounts of their personal records unnecessarily requested by police during investigation . in some cases, investigation. in some cases, records have been used to test the credibility of survivors, which ministers describe as invasive. the government's vow to change the law to better protect victims, speed up enquiries and restore confidence in the criminal justice system . in the criminal justice system. mp sarah dines says these record requests are often irrelevant to the inquiry . requests are often irrelevant to the inquiry. quite requests are often irrelevant to the inquiry . quite often that's the inquiry. quite often that's people like schools, educational record, even at times. currently records and these organisations things take a long time to respond . it undermines the trust respond. it undermines the trust of the rape victim in the process . and as time goes on, process. and as time goes on, sometimes they fall away from the process altogether . so we the process altogether. so we don't want that. we want to rebuild trust to make sure that every rape victim is treated fairly and gets to a fair trial in a decent amount of time . in a decent amount of time. controversial influencer andrew tate and his brother tristan will remain in custody for a

further 30 days until the 27th of february, after a court in romania has extended their police detention. the pair are being investigated over allegations of sexual assault and exploitation . a judge says and exploitation. a judge says they've decided they will remain in prison for longer while police continue to investigate the self—proclaimed misogynist was arrested in bucharest on the 29th of december . tv online and 29th of december. tv online and dab radio. this is gb news. now it's over to dewbs & co . it's over to dewbs& co. thanks for that, tatiana. well, i'm with you right through till 7:00 tonight and keeping me companies , my panel, alex steyn, the political consulting and the fireman, trade unionist and author paul embery. you too, you two of my favourite and i very much bless your heart, like confidently . and then i always

confidently. and then i always kind of hope i open on my other panel kind of hope i open on my other panel. people are watching . put panel. people are watching. put you off that. come on. yeah. i like all of you. but there's so much about you. so especially on a friday as so you are two of my favourite. so also you guys at home. you're very welcome to the show tonight as well because home. you're very welcome to the sho not»night as well because home. you're very welcome to the sho not justt as well because home. you're very welcome to the sho not just aboutell because home. you're very welcome to the sho not just about wallzcause home. you're very welcome to the sho not just about wall street, it's not just about wall street, it's not just about wall street, it's about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can touch with me. all can get in touch with me. all the usual. where vaiews@gbnews.uk email vaiews@gbnews.uk is the email or tweet me at gb news. or you can tweet me at gb news. lots have been getting in lots of you have been getting in touch already just recap in touch already. just a recap in case you've just switched on, wondering on wondering what's going on tonight want to talk about tonight. so i want to talk about keir starmer and eu to keir starmer and the eu to ukraine. should the uk be pushing and pushing ? leading pushing and pushing? leading from is that our job? from the front is that our job? are a role model? is that are we a role model? is that what's us? if we what's expected of us? if we want be taken seriously on want to be taken seriously on the global stage? that one seems to be dividing opinions. i can tell you. and kids are they get involved and they certainly seem to. well, i don't know . i don't to. well, i don't know. i don't sometimes. have you ever reached that stage where you that stage in life where you think i'm just getting old? yeah

and look. can you and you look. what can you think? realised that the think? when i realised that the prime than prime minister was younger than me, alcohol. it's me, that was alcohol. it's called moment of clarity my called a moment of clarity in my in my you. i just didn't feel that kids with this violent. i don't recall children repeatedly murdering adults i don't recall children stamped on each other's heads and knifing each other in the middle of the day. and you know, do you feel that kids are getting more violent? and what do think is to blame for it? do you think is to blame for it? that i can tell you as a lot that one i can tell you as a lot of you talking already, bob is saying, bring back the bear, which really that you which really is that what you think we caning of the think we need? caning of the kids? people putting it kids? many people are putting it down of disciplining down to a lack of disciplining and poor parenting . is it as and poor parenting. is it as simple as that or is there something else going on? video games that gets the blame as well? but i do want all of your thoughts as per usual, thoughts on that. as per usual, you've all laugh as well you've all made me laugh as well about look. i am going to about my look. i am going to create a best of compilation at the end of year of fashion the end of this year of fashion advice . can like my hair advice. can you like my hair tonight ? advice. can you like my hair tonight? thank you. phil tonight? thank you. but phil says basically, i look like i've

got someone's cost of wind, which blown delicate which has blown the delicate petals from up into the petals from flowers up into the night sky. that was very specific , but we'll say is quite specific, but we'll say is quite poetic. well, feels it. will says, you been sticking says, have you been sticking your the car window? your head out of the car window? you sort hair out you need to sort your hair out in park. lovely charming. in the park. lovely charming. looks lovely , michelle. oh, looks lovely, michelle. oh, thank you. thank you . right. thank you. thank you. right. shall get into the main shall we get into the main business of the day? not my hair. keir starmer, i what you all make to him, do you indeed think he is going to be the next prime minister of this country ? prime minister of this country? on the page of the eye on the front page of the eye newspaper basically newspaper today, they basically had this headline that i've got on the screen right now. the eu leaders want keir starmer to be british pm labour leader british pm as labour leader calls closer ties with the calls for closer ties with the bloc poll . i'll start with you bloc poll. i'll start with you because you are a labour supporter. i were labour member, yes. from since . okay, so you yes. from since. okay, so you labour member , i presume labour member, i presume therefore that you think that keir starmer is indeed going to be the next prime minister? do you think that would be a you think that it would be a soft when it comes to eu? soft touch when it comes to eu? do you reckon would be straight

back in there again? well i would i were keir would not if i were keir starmer, would be crowing starmer, i would not be crowing about headlines like this saying that the eu, i think he's probably three or four significant voices in the eu saying that would like hayden saying that we would like hayden to be the british prime minister if i were keir starmer , i would if i were keir starmer, i would probably want to bury stories like because the truth is like this because the truth is there's no path back to power for the labour party that does not go through the red wall and we know the position of the red wall when it comes to the european union. we know that 60% of labour constituencies voted leave in the reference them. many red wall can stitch uranus's most red walk institution seats voted leave those people in those constituencies as were i think in clandestine with the labour party their party their traditional party when the labour party said in 2018 it is conference i was in the hall and saw it that we're going to have a second referendum that is now the formal policy of the labour party. i think people in those

constituencies thought, okay, so you're we it you're telling us we got it wrong you're to go wrong and you're going to go back us that we've got back and tell us that we've got to all over again. so for to do it all over again. so for me, for the labour me, i think for the labour party, if they're serious about getting back into power and you would that they are every would think that they are every question policy decision question, every policy decision needs the needs to be seen through the prism what people in red prism of what people in the red wall want, because as i said, there's path power there's no path back to power that doesn't take the red wall with . so this is the type of with it. so this is the type of story were a labour pr story that if i were a labour pr person, i would be saying, let's keep below the radar. let's keep it below the radar. let's not talk it, let's hope it not talk about it, let's hope it dies at that's pretty soon. are you your vote you someone that lent your vote to the tories the last election specifically for brexit? because i know that there's many of you, perhaps are watching perhaps that are watching tonight you go back to tonight would you go back to labour? and did, would labour? and if you did, would you them ? it's all well you trust them? it's all well and saying we respect and good saying yeah, we respect the we know the future the vote. we know the future looks the rest looks different and all the rest of but once they've got in, of it, but once they've got in, do they'd still kind do you think they'd still kind of with change of stick with out or change their minds? alex whatever you want i don't think keir want to. i don't think keir starmer going be our next starmer is going to be our next prime minister. course it's

prime minister. of course it's possible i it's possible, but i think it's a great less probable than great deal less probable than a lot of pollsters today would lot of the pollsters today would tell least because of tell you, not least because of issues like the ones that paul was canvassing with you, was just canvassing with you, 5 million people habitually million people who habitually vote labour party voted vote for the labour party voted to european union to leave the european union in the referendum. people the referendum. those people have extreme badly have been treated extreme badly by political system since by the political system since they cast that vote , and it was they cast that vote, and it was in part in despair of that that they, as you rightly say, lent their vote to the conservative party at the last election. if you basic cross you think about the basic cross with lee left wing leave and left wing remain right wing leading right wing remain the left wing leave box, which was almost completely neglected by our media debate about our membership of the european union and has been since so that is why i actually think these people within the european union are rather misguided if they think the answer to their prayers is. keir starmer because starmer is trying hard to woo those people back into the labour party if he's going to win majority in the next win a majority in the next election he them back in election, he needs them back in in trenches . and that

in the labour trenches. and that is why keir starmer today slapped down sadiq khan , who slapped down sadiq khan, who suggested that might be a pragmatic case for looking again at rejoining the eu. the at the uk rejoining the eu. the european single market, keir starmer has said today there is no case for rejoining at the european single market. i take your point about do you trust him if you actually got in? my point is it's clear he's trying to message right now that the left, the labour party, can be trusted with what used be the trusted with what used to be the left traditional position left wing traditional position euroscepticism. yeah, because i have to say know what you're have to say i know what you're saying and i understand that he's trying to create this, you know, if you like, know, distance, if you like, from but politician from the eu. but what politician would say order to get that would say in order to get that cross in the box is then what they do they're they actually do once they're under tables ? i'm sure under the tables? i'm not sure if would trust them. and it's if i would trust them. and it's worth noting as well in constituencies like mine, because last because i run in the last election and i run as brexit party and obviously then the tories run as well and in advance . and leigh and i have to advance. and leigh and i have to say it's something i regret. now we split the brexit vote. so

what happened was the labour candidate got into that seat and it wasn't just my say, it happenedin it wasn't just my say, it happened in a few different places, but more people actively voted against them than voted for them. but we split the brexit vote . i mean, i just brexit vote. i mean, ijust i find incredible why the tory party have squandered the legacy of the 2019 general election so quickly. i mean, we saw a very fundamental realignment of british politics take place at that election. people who had voted labour and constituencies that had voted labour since time immemorial , you know, the great immemorial, you know, the great grimsby is the white fields, don valley places like that. suddenly voting conservative. this has never happened before. and they did it because the conservatives have got the message in riot around you know, get brexit done and levelling up. we're going to be up. we're not going to be a thatcherite type government , thatcherite type of government, roll frontiers of the roll back the frontiers of the state, government out of state, get government out of your life. we're actually going to interventionist to be an interventionist government. to help government. we're going to help regional, your area, bring regional, right your area, bring jobs your and so

jobs to your community and so on. know, they smashed on. and you know, they smashed it. it into, it. they smashed it into, you know, it. it a know, and seen it. it was a great disappointment to people like and i thought at that like me. and i thought at that point, there not a cat point, look, there is not a cat in hell's chance of labour in hell's chance of the labour party returning power within in hell's chance of the labour parinexturning powerwithin in hell's chance of the labour pari next decade. power within in hell's chance of the labour pari next decade. and ver within in hell's chance of the labour pari next decade. and the within in hell's chance of the labour pari next decade. and the factn the next decade. and the fact that tories squandered that the tories have squandered that the tories have squandered that quickly is phenomenal. that so quickly is phenomenal. i likened it to a lottery winner, finds himself a millionaire and then it then just squanders it squandered the money within a couple years and he's now couple of years and he's now completely bankrupt. that's essentially where the tories are electorally and they've squandered. what squandered. do you agree what you very hard. it's you say? it's very hard. it's very to resist the basic very hard to resist the basic premise that not the premise that this is not the outcome expect from an 80 outcome you expect from an 80 seat election win. one seat majority election win. one can make , one can offer some can make, one can offer some explanations , not least the explanations, not least the coronavirus epidemic and the lockdowns that came about after . but they are, they are they may not be regarded hindsight may not be regarded by hindsight as particularly justifiable excuses in the conservative party. moreover as violently removed its last three prime ministers, you know, so if you think about the way in which these things have fallen out,

with all due respect to the labour party, which which paul is a member the greatest threat to a prime minister is the to a tory prime minister is the opposition. of his opposition. it's members of his own current, his or her own party on current, his or her own party on current, his or her own party on performance . so own party on own performance. so there too in mix. there is that too in the mix. but wanted to, despite but i just wanted to, despite all that, to say one more all of that, to say one more thing about why i think that the odds are somewhat more against starmer current thinking starmer than current thinking might the end, might suggest. in the end, playing politics. because the first system that first past the post system that you were just talking about when you were just talking about when you were just talking about when you were talking with paul, brexit splitting one way. brexit splitting things one way. well hand labour's well on the other hand labour's got come back at once got to try and come back at once in north it lost a lot in the north where it lost a lot of seats to make the kinds of seats and to make the kinds of seats and to make the kinds of gains in the south that they didn't have made since blair now the what i'm doing the point about what i'm doing about south of about north and south of england, tony england, the points about tony blair was blair is that he was a transformative, visionary candidate for the prime ministership. you argue ministership. you can argue about in office, but about what he did in office, but he was kind inspiring he was a kind of inspiring leader. that not keir starmer leader. that is not keir starmer stories that kind of stories and more in that kind of john of blessed memory. john smith of blessed memory. one heave, one more. he may one more heave, one more. he may succeed, it ain't the succeed, but it ain't the kind of transformative platform that people take your

people want and i take your point there's no point that there's no and i certainly don't think it's now done that starmer is going to win and the party win and that the labour party are to win the next are going to win the next election. mean, are election. i mean, they are straight polls at straight ahead in the polls at the largely because the the moment, largely because the conservatives are having such an appalling been appalling time and have been tearing apart. but tearing themselves apart. but i mean, always remind mean, i always remind people, let's that 19 let's not forget that in 19 before 1993 election, before the 1993 election, michael view of all michael foot my view of all people miles ahead people was miles ahead of margaret thatcher in the polls. and you know , we know what and you know, we know what happened the election. happened at the 1993 election. the labour got the labour party got annihilated. council people annihilated. so i council people within the labour movement. if you we've to do is you think all we've got to do is stay quiet and we're on a path, one you need to you one thing. yeah you need to you need to think again. that's right. and i'll give you another one from a long from a government that i've been for government that i've been in for a time, might be a a long time, which might be a useful comparison given how long the conservative party been the conservative party has been in 1992. everyone in in office in 1992. everyone in the to polls expected the run up to the polls expected labour win outright. and labour to win outright. and if you're that you're a betting after that you'd said a hung you'd have said a hung parliament, the conservative parliament, not the conservative majority afterwards. majority we got afterwards. again, majority, majority we got afterwards. again majority majority, majority we got afterwards. again majority in majority, majority we got afterwards. again majority in a majority, majority we got afterwards. again majority in a winajority, majority we got afterwards. again majority in a win atrity, majority we got afterwards. again majority in a win at the but a majority in a win at the ballot box. nevertheless, i

think i'll be most interested ed about next election will about in the next election will be turnout. sure. because be the turnout. sure. because i personally an personally if there was an election tomorrow i know election tomorrow and i know that i already know you that everyone i already know you can have a go at me about suffragettes fighting to my suffragettes fighting to get my vote, whatever. wouldn't vote, whatever. but i wouldn't i wouldn't to leave. should wouldn't vote to leave. should i feel you? you should vote. i think there's a huge a lot of things i do. i wouldn't i wouldn't go out and vote. i wouldn't go out and vote. i wouldn't i mean, i'd have to say, by the way, i don't content i'm not one of these people who does say, look, you know, people fought and died for the vote. therefore you exercise therefore you should exercise it. i do think democracy is a good thing. i do think it's healthy. however, if you're present options, present with a list of options, none which you particularly none of which you particularly like, don't you should like, i don't think you should feel compelled into it. so that's i am democrat and that's why i am a democrat and i believe freedom in some ways, believe in freedom in some ways, a i would have a libertarian. but i would have compulsory the compulsory voting with the condition box condition that you had a box that none of the above, but that says none of the above, but what would you be able to say? none of the above will spoil your course. what your ballot, of course. what would the penalty your would be the penalty on your compulsory would compulsory votes and what would you in theory, doesn't

you do to me? in theory, doesn't matter a penny. fine, matter about a penny. fine, i don't care. the point is that you should go. i have in australia, don't they? but i think ultimately, i mean i'm not, supporter of not, i'm not a supporter of compulsory voting. i as compulsory voting. i think as a political if you're political party, if you're serious about forming a government running government and running the country, be able to country, you need to be able to persuade people to go into the ballot box of their own volition, to go into a polling booth, and vote on booth, i should say, and vote on a of paper stick it in a piece of paper and stick it in polls. and if you can't do that, then think then we don't then i don't think then we don't have a government. sometimes it's job the electorate it's the job of the electorate to the least worst to choose the least worst option. well, we'll be in option. well, we'll never be in a where no one the a position where no one in the country votes, and therefore, we're be able to we're not going to be able to form government. i simply form a government. but i simply don't with the principle don't agree with the principle that people should effectively be whipped into be pistol whipped into into going booth and going into a polling booth and saying eggs saying you have to vote my eggs off with my penny fine. is pistol whipping? it? that is pistol whipping? is it? that is what i love the what i mean. i love the rhetoric, it is within rhetoric, but it is within someone becomes meaningless, rhetoric, but it is within someit?e becomes meaningless, rhetoric, but it is within someit? if becomes meaningless, rhetoric, but it is within someit? if all becomes meaningless, rhetoric, but it is within someit? if all becomgoing aningless, rhetoric, but it is within someit? if all becomgoing toingless, isn't it? if all you're going to do is levy a penny fine on somebody, most are somebody, then most people are going i'm not going going to go, well, i'm not going to karen hughes about to vote karen hughes about a moral it's moral case moral message. it's a moral case

from and the state from the state, and the state still role in. still has a role to play in. this isn't it? it would be tokenism. have been this isn't it? it would be tokepoint. have been this isn't it? it would be tokepoint. that's have been this isn't it? it would be tokepoint. that's why have been the point. that's why i said a penny out, because he obviously can politics. i'm about can use politics. i'm about serious you can come serious politics. you can come out all you you out with all you know you wait compulsory i didn't compulsory to vote. if i didn't want to vote and i'm thinking about asset. very about as a huge asset. it's very interesting i interesting you say that where i spent and i can spent my teenage years and i can imagine you went around the imagine if you went around the state to like state and said to people, like you me, you you said, people like me, you got mandatory. get got to vote is mandatory. i get that. you what that. well, i'll tell you what sex wouldn't. well sex is. no, no, i wouldn't. well it's against the law for teenagers use cannabis. teenagers to use cannabis. number eye number of prosecutions were eye wateringly low. nevertheless, for think for some people, you may think it's true. some it's naive, but it is true. some people, is the people, the fact that it is the law want to break law and they don't want to break it to we it mean something to them. we have consent we have an age of consent and we haven't haven't allies haven't we haven't been allies as not voting no, it as people for not voting no, it doesn't to can a doesn't have to be can be a civil penalty. trying to civil penalty. i'm trying to make is the moral make the point that is the moral message state useful message from the state is useful and make it as and you can guys can make it as extreme you want. extreme as you want. yes. hi alex really arguing. everyone extreme as you want. yes. hi alextheir ally arguing. everyone extreme as you want. yes. hi alextheir head rguing. everyone extreme as you want. yes. hi alextheir head rguioff everyone extreme as you want. yes. hi alextheir head rguioff every

under policies. you under these policies. so, you know, low turnouts know, actually low turnouts might my of view as a might suit my point of view as a as and as a political as a pundit and as a political partisan. so actually , i don't partisan. so actually, i don't think it's to do with my right wing views at all. it's about my belief in democracy, but my point was you can try and portray these positions or perspectives and perspectives as wildly and differently as differently to your own as possible end, useful possible in the end, it's useful for politicians to be able to say that people genuinely voted in elections. the produce in the elections. the produce them. well, you know, in the elections. the produce them if well, you know, in the elections. the produce them if a well, you know, in the elections. the produce them if a politician., you know, in the elections. the produce them if a politician then know, in the elections. the produce them if a politician then wants well, if a politician then wants to compel the electorate to go out vote rather than doing out and vote rather than doing it or rule or it through a law or a rule or whatever, don't they do it whatever, why don't they do it from being actually quite good at what they do and engaging, compelling people making a difference ? and i say that difference? and i say that sometimes it's of the sometimes it's the job of the electorate the least electorate to choose the least worst . well, don't wash worst option. well, don't wash with does wash with you? with me. does it wash with you? are that's in are you someone that's in my camp do camp that wouldn't vote? or do you that it's completely you think that it's completely wrong not to out and vote? wrong not to go out and vote? maureen of those maureen says, i'm one of those voters area in voters in the red wall area in the midlands i would not go the midlands and i would not go back labour they're back to labour because they're looking , looking back looking back, looking to go back into eu . she believes, aided

into the eu. she believes, aided by tony blair. i don't believe a word they say, michael . i leant word they say, michael. i leant my vote to the tories and i will give it to them again . i don't give it to them again. i don't trust starmer , rayner thornberry trust starmer, rayner thornberry . they are too deep rooted in the old labour. paul i voted labour all my life but vote conservative because i supported brexit. i will never in capital say no means that i will never vote labour again because they tried to the democratic process of this country simply they cannot be trusted . but is that cannot be trusted. but is that so? because they did a let me play so? because they did a let me play devil's advocate because they did try and undermine, if you like, the brexit vote. is it have you got one chance? and that's it? or really is there nothing that they could do to prove that they trust prove to you that they trust where they let me know? gbviews@gbnews.uk i gbviews@gbnews.uk to uk. can i take quick break? when i come take a quick break? when i come back i'll have some your back i'll have some of your thoughts last but thoughts on that last topic, but i'm also pondering you think i'm also pondering do you think that young are that kids, young people are becoming more violent if so, why and how do we fix it? i'll see

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in two. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry , keeping you company dewberry, keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. and alongside me, alex dane, the political consultant and the forum on trade unionist and author paul embery. welcome back , everybody. embery. welcome back, everybody. lots of you guys. i've just been getting in touch about the whole politics thing. gareth i disagree with fines for not voting , but how about an voting, but how about an incentive like a tax free week on you month's wages? if you do convert the manifesto should be the incentive shouldn't matter if it's if a party publishes a manifesto, an election which appeals to you, you go to appeals to you, then you go to the booth and vote. the polling booth and vote. simple. were saying simple. and you were saying i was saying would was naive in saying people would care about the laws. you think they were going to rise they were just going to rise up and inspired you may and be so inspired and you may regard duty as regard that their duty as something to do even something they have to do even if do it. grumbling and if they do it. grumbling and resentful. evidence resentful. i think the evidence shows where

shows actually, alex, that where the electorate is presented with a real choice in an election , a real choice in an election, then turnout goes up because people think actually this is worth voting for. if the other lot get in. i don't like the look of that and people are inspired at scale. maybe once a generation. well, that what we want people to vote en masse rather more often not. rather more often than not. yeah. think can yeah. i don't think you can force want to move on force them. so i want to move on from do, from politics. but before i do, russell michelle, you russell said, michelle, can you do can you ask do me a favour? and can you ask both and paul whether both alex and paul whether they've ever thought of standing for they for parliament? basically, they speak should speak so much sense they should be parliament. i tried it be in parliament. i tried it last election, tried and failed. would try again? would , would you try again? i would, but never tried. but the but i've never tried. but the labour as labour party wouldn't have me as a i'm pretty sure a candidate. i'm pretty sure about i'm probably about why. because i'm probably too. i would just go . i think too. i would just go. i think i'm labour and old labour i'm old labour and old labour was not woke . old labour as an was not woke. old labour as an independent . was not woke. old labour as an independent. no, no was not woke. old labour as an independent . no, no chance, independent. no, no chance, really. why because i wouldn't win . i'd be rooted in the labour win. i'd be rooted in the labour movement. that's where my politics are . well, there you politics are. well, there you go. it doesn't like me . i go, go. it doesn't like me. i go, well, if they don't like you, actually, i would say that

that's a reflection on one of the failings of the labour party, my party, because i can see my inbox and i can see the feedback that you get here. so many of my viewers are the kind of viewers and they are the kind of red people that red wall people that we just been labour been talking about. the labour party of and party needs to get hold of and they if you're they like you. so if you're watching keir starmer, you're missing this , i can missing a trick with this, i can tell let's talk about tell you that. let's talk about kids, shall we? i don't know about you, but it does seem to me that things are getting worse when violence when it becomes around violence that children seem to be perpetrating, not just against each other, but against adults . each other, but against adults. for example, there was the murder of ian cowan. he confronted a gang of kids , confronted a gang of kids, teenagers outside a supermarket . he ended up getting stabbed and killed. and it's not it seems to be happening this more often than it should be , alex. often than it should be, alex. and i know people fight. that's what they do. but as far as often as it should be, should of course, be zero. but sadly , you course, be zero. but sadly, you know, i know it's been years since i've practised at the bar , but it's a therefore useful historical comparison that when i was prosecuting and defending

offences, sorts things offences, these sorts of things were not are perhaps not were not are known, perhaps not as common, but not, certainly not unprecedented . i think the not unprecedented. i think the main is the thrust of why main thing is the thrust of why this is salient is what you this is so salient is what you were saying in your introduction about the frequency of these events . and you recall an events. and you recall on an earlier episode of your show, we watched aghast as there was footage of a basic riot in a fast food restaurant where the patrons , the other patrons were patrons, the other patrons were terrified of what was going on. i saw yesterday and today footage of one young woman in a school punching another to the ground repeated , like ground and then repeated, like kicking victim in head kicking her victim in the head in scotland and these kinds of things, sadly, are happening more and more often. the more and more often. and the severity , i think, has also severity, i think, has also escalated. so whilst it's not, you know, people have carried what people call what in the law people call bladed articles knives for a long, long time. obviously this poor man in kilburn who who's trying to remonstrate with children, boys who misbehaving, where once he might have been mocked, once he might have been slapped or punched, he is

instead stabbed because somebody took a knife with them from birmingham redditch to go and birmingham to redditch to go and make trouble for people who lived there and were shopping there. and so it seems to me that we're getting something wrong. i don't think what we're getting sentencing getting wrong is sentencing policy. sentencing people policy. we're sentencing people for and we're sentencing for longer and we're sentencing people and people who've been committed offences committed to these kinds of offences more frequently . so i don't think frequently. so i don't think it's that, i think that it's we, we're not sending the message to people that they're going to get caught place or caught in the first place or that going be that they're going to be punished for the supermarket murder that we're talking about the everyone's where the moment just everyone's where a been found a 15 year old has been found guilty of murdering an engineer. jurors cleared three of the other youths, two or 14 years old, one was 16. a basically found them guilty of violent disorder . in found them guilty of violent disorder. in this case , it was disorder. in this case, it was said that the chap was in an unfortunate member of the public in the wrong place at the wrong time . this was just a fella time. this was just a fella going to a shop. that's not the

wrong place , you know. they wrong place, you know. they shouldn't such thing oh shouldn't be such a thing as, oh , not that. you , you better not do that. you better there because , you better not do that. you better headinghere because , you better not do that. you better headingherea)ecause , you better not do that. you better headingherea kickrse , you better not do that. you better headingherea kick in. you're heading for a kick in. i mean come think the mean, come on. i think the dangeris mean, come on. i think the danger is that actually we become inured to it. i mean, once upon a time, i think these sorts of stories, a 14, 15 year old stabbing a grown man in his forties or fifties or whatever , forties or fifties or whatever, i think would have been there would have been a huge national debate on that once upon a time, i think it would have been front page news. it would have been all broadcast and all over the broadcast media and the run and run the story would have run and run for days. i think now when something like that happens , something like that happens, there is a of a debate, there is a bit of a debate, there is a bit of a debate, there is a bit of an outcry, and then the bandwagon moves on and people forget about it. and so the next comes in the next one comes along in a week's time or in two weeks time. mean , it's easy to kind time. i mean, it's easy to kind of be moralistic about these sorts questions, but i don't sorts of questions, but i don't necessarily think that's a bad thing sometimes, because i think the types of the frequency of these types of incidents where teenagers , 14, incidents where teenagers, 14, 15 year olds are getting involved in such serious crimes,

murder the frequency is much more than i think it was once upon a time. i think it's partly a moral question. i think there has been a breaking down of the universal moral code. i think that once it once existed in this country , and i think partly this country, and i think partly that's as a result of the breakdown of family. i think it's partly as a result of the breakdown of a sense of community and a sense of belonging. i think we live in a much sort fragmented and much more sort of fragmented and atomised world now where people don't socialisation , don't have that socialisation, they don't feel sense of they don't feel that sense of obligation, sense duty they don't feel that sense of obtheiron, sense duty they don't feel that sense of obtheirneighbournse duty they don't feel that sense of obtheir neighbour .se duty they don't feel that sense of obtheir neighbour. ie duty they don't feel that sense of obtheir neighbour. i thinkrty they don't feel that sense of obtheir neighbour. i think they to their neighbour. i think they can go out and act as they like. i think it's partly a police question as well. actually, i think general think the general ineffectiveness of the fact that the abandoned the the police have abandoned the streets, isn't the kind of streets, there isn't the kind of intelligence led community policing was once policing that there was once upon i think all of upon a time. i think all of those factors have resulted in a situation where we've almost now as society accepted. this is as a society accepted. this is customary access now. so we might as well just become used to it. and i think that's tragic. theme that's coming tragic. a theme that's coming through inbox word through on my inbox is the word

discipline . and so many people i discipline. and so many people i read out that one at the start where someone's bringing bring about the whatever there about the batch, whatever there seems to be a sense, certainly in discipline has in my inbox that discipline has just crumbled and is what's gone wrong. there's something at the heart society that rise heart of society that is a rise there. when children kill like this and it goes, i think , this and it goes, i think, beyond the fact that they are encouraged, perhaps by the culture around them to posture and think that they can do and to think that they can do whatever like, see these whatever they like, see these heroes up in in television heroes held up in in television and cinema , do things without and cinema, do things without consequences for themselves. and we have this notion of invincible and so many of the central characters of the arts and perhaps that's a little to do with it. but i think, moreover, i'm discipline is something that has been eroded for at least 20 years. so tony blair said to michael howard across the dispatch box, when you and i were at school, if you got in trouble at school, you got in trouble at school, you got in trouble at school, you got in trouble at home, and that's not true anymore. which ironic, given that blair did so much to undermine the values that brought us to that point .

that brought us to that point. but he was nevertheless, as so often with blair, he could be a wonderful hypocrite, speaks with a have some a forked tongue, but have some real him. that was real truth to him. that was right. and that that you right. and that idea that if you were trouble at school once, right. and that idea that if you werewould uble at school once, right. and that idea that if you werewould bee at school once, right. and that idea that if you werewould be afraid:hool once, right. and that idea that if you werewould be afraid tool once, right. and that idea that if you werewould be afraid to tell1ce, right. and that idea that if you werewould be afraid to tell it., you would be afraid to tell it. go tell your parents. go home and tell your parents. i think, if you've think, well, if you've got something you're in something that wrong, you're in trouble. and i think as well we need having an honest need to start having an honest debate in this country about the impact fathers , fatherless impact of fathers, fatherless families, about fact that families, about the fact that there are so homes and so there are so many homes and so many youngsters being brought up without that male influence, without that male influence, without father figure without that father figure in the and i've no doubt and the home. and i've no doubt and i think evidence shows i think the evidence shows actually is the actually that where that is the case, more case, the child is more likely to to crime to, you know, to turn to crime to, you know, fall in to take in drugs and things like that . and every time things like that. and every time a politician kind of approaches thatissue a politician kind of approaches that issue and tries to begin a debate, all of a sudden , you debate, all of a sudden, you know, progressive know, the hyper progressive elite in country no, elite in this country say, no, we're allowed discuss we're not allowed to discuss those because those sorts of things because what you're doing is you're stigmatising single parent family, david family, somebody like david lammy, example , labour mp lammy, for example, labour mp for tottenham , spoke about for the tottenham, spoke about the impact in his own constituency of fatherless

families, particularly from from the black community, and the impact that that has on the children. and you kind of think, well, actually, there's somebody here a here brave enough to have a debate but then all debate about it. but then all suddenly off the radar suddenly it goes off the radar because you you get because, you know, you get pilloried to pilloried if you ever try to raise because, you raise these issues because, you know, you're attacking single parent can parent families. but you can have about have a sensible debate about this stigmatise and this without stigmatise and think that as a think it's just that as a country brave enough think it's just that as a co do ry brave enough think it's just that as a co do it. brave enough think it's just that as a co do it. it's brave enough think it's just that as a co do it. it's his brave enough think it's just that as a co do it. it's his t0)rave enough think it's just that as a co do it. it's his to job; enough think it's just that as a co do it. it's his to job haveugh to do it. it's his to job have that and one of that debate, and that's one of the that like the few things that i like admire about david lammy, that he's on that he's willing to take on that discussion . but i can tell you, discussion. but i can tell you, it be argued discussion it can only be argued discussion by plenty the by anecdote, but plenty of the people that prosecuted people that i prosecuted or defended in court accused of these offences came from broken homes and so did many of their victims. that's part of the victims. and that's part of the point, because this happens at that for victims that level for the victims as well those it . yeah, to well as those doing it. yeah, to us, but also to many people use you know, all that's left or whatever as an excuse. sometimes to be wrong because there's plenty of people from broken homes that are decent, law abiding who wasn't abiding people who wasn't offering as an excuse he offering it as an excuse he was seeking a potential seeking to offer as a potential

partial i'll partial explanation. well i'll thank you. i'll give you that the wrong because michel kids getting violent . are you getting violent. are you kidding? none of you are kidding? clearly none of you are old enough to remember the teddy boys, and rockers and boys, the mods and rockers and skinheads . boys, the mods and rockers and skinheads. today's kids are, on the whole law abiding. it's just a few idiots that hit the headunes a few idiots that hit the headlines , and i would be very headlines, and i would be very interested to see the rate, the murder rates where the perpetrators has been a teenager know 14, 15, 16 years of age now compared to the days of the teddy boys and the mods and rockers in the sixties and whatever. i suspect that the right now is much higher than than it was even factoring in the fact that we have more the fact that we have much more advanced medicine now where, you know, if somebody stabbed the paramedic has got much more chance saving that person's paramedic has got much more cha|than, saving that person's paramedic has got much more cha|than, youing that person's paramedic has got much more cha|than, you knowat person's paramedic has got much more cha|than, you know ,: person's paramedic has got much more cha|than, you know , somebody life than, you know, somebody would in the sixties. would have had in the sixties. well let your thoughts , well let me know your thoughts, by the way, a bit later on in the programme. not quite yet, but a bit later i want to talk about belt, kate's about hashtag belt, kate's lunacy. i call it. but anyway, the prime minister, rishi sunak

, now issued with a , has now been issued with a conditional offer of a fixed penalty by lancashire constabulary . penalty by lancashire constabulary. this is, of course, because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt when he did a video himself in instagram in a car that was moving. i mean , car that was moving. i mean, personally, i think as an people got better things to do. the media obsessing with this anyway, that's your outcome and congratulations . hope you all congratulations. hope you all happy now. is it the right thing or not? i will be talking about that the that in a bit, but after the next break, want to talk about ukraine. you know, we've been supporting this whole this whole kind of situation for a very long time many people are saying we're not going far enough. some people say we're going too far. the germans, though, are dragging feet. there's pressure now the uk to get involved now for the uk to get involved and sort out . should we? you and sort it out. should we? you tell me i'll see you into .

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get into ukraine? nato leaders have gotten together to send more to ukraine and more weapons to ukraine and they're putting pressure on germany to allow its tanks go germany to allow its tanks to go to line . well, but so to the front line. well, but so far, germans are holding off far, the germans are holding off , basically agreeing for their tanks to be exported . alex tanks to be exported. alex scott, with you first on this. many people are saying britain should do more. put pressure on germany, lead from the front. should we? well, we've already said so. yes. and indeed, we have used the kind of flexibility in the approach about an independent sovereign nafion about an independent sovereign nation has to do a great deal to support ukraine, and that's reflected by the popularity of our last prime minister in ukraine and by standing of ukraine and by the standing of british reputation amongst ukrainians. to one ukrainians. but put that to one side. we are already sending tanks to ukraine. they may not be as many as we might want, like we may wish we had manufactured, but that's where we are. the point about the german interesting german position is interesting is leopards the leopard is that the leopards the leopard t they holding back. tthat they are holding back. it's not actually that they're all in germany they've already

been sold off to various different like different other countries like poland to poland and finland. who wants to send devices to ukraine to send these devices to ukraine to try and help the let the ukrainians help themselves to fight off the aggressor that has invaded them wantonly in their own country? i'm germany is saying no because if you export something to somebody , you may something to somebody, you may depending on the contract , have depending on the contract, have the ability to control in the licence on wood exports of those devices . and that's what the devices. and that's what the germans doing. when at the germans are doing. when at the beginning conflict , beginning of this conflict, after invaded ukraine, we after russia invaded ukraine, we british attempting to support the ukrainians had to fly sorties of material around german airspace over denmark to get to ukraine. i thought , how get to ukraine. i thought, how can the germans get any lower than this ? those who were than this? those who were responsible for that talked to a couple of people in the logistics operation who said it's non—trivial difference to it's a non—trivial difference to try and have fly around try and have to fly around germany to ukraine. it germany to get to ukraine. it meant take and it meant you could take less and it took longer and meant a took longer and that meant a real difference much we real difference in how much we could support ukraine. here again , is germany up the again, is germany holding up the ability the west to support

ability of the west to support those in being invaded? well earlier today i saw con coughlin being interviewed on and on that issue , and he was pointing out issue, and he was pointing out that the germans have a very long standing relationship with the russians and that they may wish repair it. it may be wish to repair it. it may be that there doves within that perhaps there doves within the community who think the german community who think that by allowing these things to be it would be sent to ukraine, it would encourage further conflict and encourage further conflict and encourage that encourage the perception that it's russia . there it's nato against russia. there may be some of that too , but the may be some of that too, but the motives can be debated. the outcome is not. they are significantly harming ukraine's to defend itself and i hope they change their mind quickly. do you embery? not you agree, paul embery? not particularly, no. i mean, my concern is what is the end game here? i mean, this war has been going on now for almost a year. i think next month it will be a yeah i think next month it will be a year. i've been hearing for the last 11 months the russians are going to lose the war and they're going to lose it sometime soon. it doesn't seem to me that that has come to fruition. now, let me, you know,

establish immediately think putin's invasion was completely wrong. i deplore it on equivocal, but i don't think there are enough forces at the moment. so i mean, for peace. the reality is, like all wars, unless one party defeats the other comprehensively, then there's going to have to be some sort of settle and i don't think we're in a position at the moment where it looks like either ukraine is about to defeat russia or vice versa. so by piling more and more weapons into ukraine, i think there's a danger we're just adding fuel to the fire. it's going to result in the loss of thousands of more lives. and would we not be better saying, look at some point we need to broker a peace deal point we need to broker a peace deal, we need to sue for peace . deal, we need to sue for peace. and it seems to me that whenever there's a debate, why is that there's a debate, why is that the job? i think if the uk's job? well, i think if the uk's job? well, i think if the is abrogating itself the uk is abrogating itself responsibility and the authority is some kind of policeman of the world which we often do in this country , then actually you've country, then actually you've got to try to for peace as well

as banging the drum for war. and it to we're good it seems to me we're quite good at not too at doing the latter. not too good doing the former, except at doing the latter. not too good it doing the former, except at doing the latter. not too good it ising the former, except at doing the latter. not too good it is ag the former, except at doing the latter. not too good it is a conflict �*mer, except at doing the latter. not too good it is a conflict inar, except where it is a conflict in another part of the globe where we don't think we've got any particular interests, then actually we quite happy say, actually we quite happy to say, oh, there needs to be oh, you know, there needs to be negotiated and needs negotiated means and needs to be a need to have a ceasefire. we need to have peace and seems peace and so on. and it seems me and way, me let me and by the way, let me let me say because i can see alex champing at the come and champing at the bit to come and say may well be that say that it it may well be that putin is not interested in peace.it putin is not interested in peace. it may well be that it's an olive branch was offered, he would absolutely . you know, would say absolutely. you know, you zelenskyy making you think zelenskyy making i think actually there's evidence to say over the last year the only occasions where he has attempted to offer olive branch he's quickly been put back in his box by western powers and, you know, it was it was pretty obvious that he wasn't prepared to do that again. but i think there's evidence to say that he is prepared. certainly is he was prepared. certainly one point to sue to sue for peace. now you know, at the end of the day, we're all in the

business of wanting to save lives. and it may well be, as i said, that putin isn't prepared, accept the olive branch, in which case so be it. the which case so be it. then the war continues , at least war continues, at least for goodness sake. least let's goodness sake. at least let's offer it and see if we can. so, alex. it seems to me alex. well, it seems to me britain's got a pretty honourable record on these things, be things, whether it be a guarantor cyprus. think guarantor in cyprus. i think iraq, post—war europe and insightful. but know i suppose you'll always want to look libya i'm very proud of britain's legacy in the middle east. and certainly i think we did the right thing in iraq, if you prefer saddam that prefer saddam hussein. that would surprising would be a very surprising note. and you're a small and when you're a very small group you think group of people, if you think the war was and i said, the iraq war was and i said, that doesn't by make that doesn't by itself make you wrong, i'll tell wrong, but correct. i'll tell you for a very you what that makes for a very interesting you what that makes for a very interetorg you what that makes for a very intere�*to make a note self to going to make a note to self to have maybe the next time you two are but for now , are on together. but for now, we'll keep iraq of it. close we'll keep iraq out of it. close on ukraine. yeah, think that on ukraine. yeah, i think that it's not up to britain alone. of course be in coordination course it'll be in coordination with our american allies, first and other allies and foremost. but other allies around who see around the world who see russia's actions are so thoroughly wrong. but i think

paul be wrong on the paul may be wrong on the battlefield well battlefield, as well as in principle he says there's principle when he says there's no russia is no suggestion that russia is going lose they continue going to lose if they continue churning through that armour in the way they done. and the way that they have done. and the way that they have done. and the churning through the way they go churning through their in the their trained soldiers in the way they have them pretty way that they have them pretty quickly taking on quickly, you find that taking on the world, even the rest of the world, even as a by—product ukraine, by—product of invading ukraine, isn't idea . well, isn't such a good idea. well, let your thoughts . going let me know your thoughts. going to quick break. when to take a quick break. when i come welcome mat we come back, the welcome mat we see, which happens all the time . now, don't worry about politicians. i won't even if they decent things. they were about decent things. but in its lunacy, the last but in all its lunacy, the last one was all about bits of cake . one was all about bits of cake. this one is all about seatbelts. well, done , everyone. well, well done, everyone. because you've succeeded the prime minister has been issued with a fixed penalty notice for not seatbelt . do not wearing your seatbelt. do you you said you celebrate that? you said okay. yes, we got him . oh, do okay. yes, we got him. oh, do you think get on with solving the crimes and do what you supposed do in the place. supposed to do in the place. this was all waste time this was all a waste of time what tell and i'll what says you tell me and i'll see into .

hi there. welcome back. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside malik steyn, the political consults and on the farm on trade unionist and all that. paul embery one of these days about semi—pro prince harry lookalike to that list as well. anyway we've just been discussing ukraine nigel says who gave sunak a mandate to give away tanks. can we really be affording that, jill? yes, the uk is absolutely right to take the lead in supplying ukraine with the tanks. it needs. germany needs to stop dithering and get on with it too. many people are saying maybe should we be involved to the level that we be involved to the level that we are? some say no. some say yeah. it does seem to be a topic which divides you and that is . which divides you and that is. sure. have you been following what i call the ridiculousness?

obsession about rishi sunak not wearing a seatbelt? you might have forgotten by now that actually there was an announcement about levelling off. the reason you might have forgotten about it is because everyone saw the video of him on instagram seatbelt and instagram without a seatbelt and all loose, basically. all hell broke loose, basically. anyway, said it was an error anyway, he said it was an error of one it slip of judgement. no one let it slip and he's got fixed penalty and now he's got a fixed penalty notice. do you think for notice. what do you think for that poll? oh look, ultimately he's got himself to blame. he's only got himself to blame. you know, it's bit stupid , you know, it's a bit stupid, frankly, you're prime frankly, if you're the prime minister your seatbelt minister to take your seatbelt off to you know, present a video when police speeding when you've got police speeding past your car. clearly you know, a number of people who watched it were always going to pick up on that. and, you know, not surprisingly , he's ended up with surprisingly, he's ended up with with penalty for playing with a fixed penalty for playing the video. now, in you the video. now, in case you wouldn't mean my i guess my concern i don't like concern i mean i don't like playground politics. i mean, people other side of people on the other side of politics on it try politics of leapt on it to try to make political points . and as to make political points. and as you they were actually seen you say, they were actually seen important issues that was he was discussing that video which discussing in that video which seemed of fallen

seemed have now kind of fallen off radar because this has off the radar because this has become story . but where does become the story. but where does this of thing end ? you this sort of thing end? you know, see a politician know, if we see a politician driving a 38 miles an hour in a 30 miles an hour zone, technically, you know, that's against law worthy of against the law worthy of a fixed penalty . notice that we fixed penalty. notice that we can have people kind of filming that. i think that's the kind of territory that you get into. but ultimately all got to be ultimately we've all got to be equal before the law . if you or equal before the law. if you or i were not wearing a seatbelt, maybe we would get a fixed penalty notice. and i suspect the police probably feel they've got bit of example of got to make a bit of example of him to head off suggestions him to head off any suggestions that sort of that he's had some sort of favourable well, alex favourable treatment. well, alex paul of saying paul is in sort of saying sunak is , he shouldn't be is a criminal, he shouldn't be prime minister. how many fines will take? i let me ask you will it take? i let me ask you a technical point in the law. so a fixed penalty notice that doesn't go on your criminal record or anything like that ? record or anything like that? yes, it is the law to wear a seatbelt. and he broke easy. therefore, by definition of criminal. is not criminal. no, it is not a criminal. no, it is not a criminal conviction. and most people won't the fixed

people won't have the fixed penalty notices, whether it be for speeding or for less known abouts. it'sjust for speeding or for less known abouts. it's just unfortunate for the prime minister , his was for the prime minister, his was on and the incident on video and the incident produced the discussion that it did for me. whether gets a fine or not and i understand he's been offered one i imagine he'll accept important been offered one i imagine he'll accept it's important been offered one i imagine he'll acceptit's what important been offered one i imagine he'll accept it's what you nportant been offered one i imagine he'll accept it's what you were ant thing. it's what you were talking about. the hysteria . it talking about. the hysteria. it is telling thing . and his is the telling thing. and his media critics and specifically mean media. paul was talking about people on the other side of politics making hay about it. that's expected . what i'm that's to be expected. what i'm talking is the complete talking about is the complete lack of any sense of proportion , as shown by people discussing this in the media and indeed the hypocrisy with which they have gone about doing so too. we used to just have hypocrisy from our media pack when they got it in for a politician, when it was something like recreational drug use or extramarital activities, which you knew plenty of the people in the remarkably powerful elite prurient press pack were up to themselves. but we're still gleefully as if

their moral compass. they were on the north pole as they criticise others for doing this. they basically now have that attitude about everything. so someone doesn't wear a seatbelt. yeah hang him. hang him for his bad verses . let's go. let's go bad verses. let's go. let's go and get him. q breathless reports between journalists interviewing sort of the journalist interviewing one another on the most viewed news shows of the day, saying, how much trouble is in? well, we're all talking about it. he must all talking about it. so he must be in a great deal of trouble whipping things scrambled whipping things up, scrambled a helicopter to send live footage from brood all that is from downing brood all that is that , is a reflection, i from downing brood all that is that, is a reflection, i think, of our political and media class in this country for a number of years where they've been years now where they've been obsessed of obsessed with the kind of minutiae of politics they live . minutiae of politics they live. this one bubble, which most people out there in provincial britain have just got no interest in, they're not interested in the tittle . interested in the tittle. they're not interested you they're not interested in, you know , who's and down, know, who's up and who's down, what matters to people there what matters to people out there in is kind of get in the country is kind of get a job. you know, my real wages are

falling. get an falling. i can't get an operation national health operation. the national health service, can't get an service, i can't get an appointment you appointment with my gp. you know, is taking know, this burglary is taking place i'm worried place locally and i'm worried about those the sorts about crime. those are the sorts of think that that of things i think that that matter and as long matter to people and for as long as and media class as our political and media class obsess with with small obsess with with the small things , then frankly, we're things, then frankly, we're going have huge going to have this huge discussion this country discussion act in this country that to things like brexit that led to things like brexit and the 2019 general election and the 2019 general election and other kind and all sorts of other kind of eruptions. shame of it eruptions. yeah, the shame of it all was, by the way, that actually decent actually there was decent announcements interesting announcements or interesting announcements about levelling off that he trying to make off that he was trying to make the people forgotten the most people have forgotten about that. one can just remember belt that remember the seat belt and that is level politics we is the level of politics that we are you talk about the are in. and you talk about the media, the way, i will never media, by the way, i will never forget lunacy journalists forget the lunacy of journalists that have been caught breaking the covid rules, whipping themselves into a frenzy, reporting about all the people doing exactly the same thing, how they able to do that how they was able to do that with beyond with a straight face is beyond me, jeff says. i hope the driver got a fixed penalty notice as well because he's responsible for his passengers. no, actually , i think it was an adult.

you're not the driver then is responsible. i think it's the kids to the age of 14. i know kids up to the age of 14. i know you imagine. do it. stop that. don't make that the second campaign. oh, goodness gracious me. i don't think i could cope with personally think that with it. i personally think that the have better to the police have better things to do . anyway, i'll tell you what do. anyway, i'll tell you what i've do now. go it's i've got to do now. go out. it's the weekend so with that i shall bid farewell . gentlemen, bid you farewell. gentlemen, thank much . thank thank you ever so much. thank you at home. have you guys at home. have yourselves a fantastic weekend. whatever you're doing and i will see you on monday. hello. it was a beautiful day out there on friday and it's going to stay that way into the weekend for england and wales. mile two conditions, though, in the far west spreading into parts of scotland and northern ireland dang scotland and northern ireland during the evening, a company's by wet and windy weather as well. meanwhile for much of the uk as we head into friday evening, it's clear skies and light winds, temperatures soon falling below, freezing widely and by the end of the night minus three , minus four celsius

minus three, minus four celsius across much of the uk, minus seven to minus ten degrees over some parts of snow covered. northern england and north—east scotland freezing folk patches around first thing as well from the vale of york into the midlands whilst marches southwest to england, they'll be slow to clear cause some issues on the roads first thing, but a completely front story for western scotland. the northern ireland here, cloud and rain will have been increasing through night and through the night and a strengthening with gales strengthening wind with gales around western coast of scotland the northern isles. by the afternoon , along with those afternoon, along with those outbreaks of rain, those outbreaks of rain, those outbreaks of rain will reach parts of the grampians falling into cold air, leading to the risk of freezing rain by the afternoon here . but support from afternoon here. but support from the cloudy , breezy, damp weather the cloudy, breezy, damp weather in the northwest , we're also in the northwest, we're also going to see the too dry weather across much of the rest of the uk with clear skies once again leading widespread frost. this time it's more confined on saturday night to the southeastern quarter of the uk

with the east midlands, east anglia in the southeast seeing temperatures widely below minus three celsius and some freezing fog again to contend with . fog again to contend with. elsewhere across the uk it's a cloudy and damp start to sunday outbreaks of rain into scotland. northern ireland, western fringes of england and wales , an fringes of england and wales, an increasing breeze and increasingly miles temperatures by sunday and monday in some western areas, up to ten or 11 celsius. meanwhile, we keep the chilly air in the southeast into the start of next week .

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