coming up on tonight's show, i'll be speaking to dr. sean crocetti, who has had great success treating covid patients with readily available drugs. we'll talk about the rights and wrongs of artificial intelligence technology, which could allow families to speak with virtual recreations of lost loved ones. is cash making a comeback .7 we'll be discussing comeback? we'll be discussing the news that cash withdrawals from banks and building society is appear to be on the rise. plus, two, amazing great britain's and plenty of chat

with my brilliant panellists, jasmine birtles and jacob reynolds. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez. on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . thank you. this is the sanchez. thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. former chancellor nadine zahawi has sought to address questions over his tax affairs . following over his tax affairs. following reports he paid a penalty as part of a multi—million pound tax settlement . in a statement, tax settlement. in a statement, the conservative party chairman said the hmrc accept it. he made a careless but not deliberate error in relation to the sale of shares in yougov. the polling company he founded, mr. zahawi, has been under pressure following claims he tried to avoid paying tax and labour have said his position is untenable . said his position is untenable. dominic raab, who is being investigated for bullying, is passing judgement on the team. zahawi, who's just had a £1 million fine for not paying his taxes on time and that pretty much epitomises this

conservative cabinet . when the conservative cabinet. when the prime minister came into office, he said that he would run a government that would have honest integrity and professionalism . at its heart, professionalism. at its heart, none of those three things are happening today. none of those three things are happening today . the prime happening today. the prime minister has been described as a total liability by labour and faces a renewed wave of criticism from employees after being fined for a second time by police , rishi sunak apologised police, rishi sunak apologised for failing to wear a seatbelt whilst filming a social media clip earlier this week in the back of a moving car. the prime minister was also fined last year for breaking lockdown restrictions in 2020 and he's been accused of showing the same disregard for rules as former pm bofis disregard for rules as former pm boris johnson , shadow financial boris johnson, shadow financial secretary james murray says mr. sunak has lost control . just sunak has lost control. just when you thought the conservatives couldn't get any more ridiculous , rishi sunak more ridiculous, rishi sunak shows that he can't even fasten his own safety out. and i think this speaks volumes about the

fact that the prime minister is not is not in control and can pay- not is not in control and can pay. keir starmer rishi sunak keir starmer has been at the world economic forum this week promoting the uk , promoting a promoting the uk, promoting a plan for economic growth in rishi sunak can't design seat belt. i think people will make their own judgement about who's been to lead the country . but been to lead the country. but deputy prime minister dominic raab has defended mr. sunak, saying he's a human being. he made a mistake , the prime made a mistake, the prime minister put his hand straight up. it was a mistake. he's apologised for it. he takes responsibility for it. he hasn't actually gone down that path of blaming anyone else. he's taken responsibility for it. he'll pay the he's human as well the fine. he's a human as well as a credibly busy politician . as a credibly busy politician. and the prime minister got a frantic, hectic schedule , but frantic, hectic schedule, but he's made it clear there's no excuses. he's made it clear there's no excuses . the founder of bus firm excuses. the founder of bus firm stagecoach , steam and glow has stagecoach, steam and glow has strongly dispute what she calls malicious allegations made against her after being charged with human trafficking offences

. police scotland say three other people are understood to be members of her family, which charged on thursday in connection with alleged immigration offences. ms. cloak denies the allegations made against her and her family and adviser to the ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy says indecision over whether to send german made tanks to ukraine is costing lives. western allies agreed yesterday to send more nato weaponry to ukraine, but germany remains reluctant to provide its leopard tanks or allow other countries to donate theirs, despite increasing pressure to do so. ukraine has urgently requested tanks to counter russia's planned spring offensive . if planned spring offensive. if police have been given more time to question a man who was arrested on suspicion of a terror offence at a hospital in leeds. the 27 year old man is being held and interviewed by police in west yorkshire . he was police in west yorkshire. he was allegedly seen with a suspected firearm and a suspicious package

at st james's hospital maternity wing. emergency services, including a bomb disposal unit, were called to st james's yesterday morning . the yesterday morning. the government is setting up a £5 million fund to help encourage young people to take up sport. instead of turning to crime. more than 200 sports, charities and organisations in england and wales will benefit after bidding for the money last year. the ministry of justice says bidders were marked on their track record of helping kids at risk of anti—social behaviour to stay out of trouble . and the met out of trouble. and the met office has issued a yellow weather warning for fog tomorrow. but says the worst of the cold spell is now coming to an end . the warning will be in an end. the warning will be in place until 11 am. on monday and cover the south and east of england and may cause disruption to flights , with drivers being to flights, with drivers being warned of icy conditions. temperatures across the country are expected to climb next week . tv, online and dab plus radio

with gb news. now it's back to neil oliver live . neil oliver live. for thank you as always, tatyana . nothing less than a way of life is under threat now. a population distracted by propaganda about one existential threat after another. pandemics, nuclear war, climate crisis is being hounded into an unrecognisable future. what was donein unrecognisable future. what was done in the name of covid was grotesque a violation of the rights of billions of people. having seen what it can get away with our so—called leaders have moved on. broadening the scope as greedy for more as kids left unsupervised in a sweetshop . unsupervised in a sweetshop. what's happening now? all around us is the relentless erosion, not just of our rights and liberties, but of our lives. it is so blatant what's happening . is so blatant what's happening. it's hard to see it for what it is, which is barefaced daylight

robbery. after covid to see what it's supposed to be happen, everyone's lips drummed into us night and day by the same complicit media that drives everything climate . everything else as climate. climate crisis, in fact , to see climate crisis, in fact, to see words for the price of one. from all sides , we are bombarded with all sides, we are bombarded with predictions of the end of the world. predictions remember computer modelling the crystal ball gazing of the scientific world. if you believe the predictions and the science, by which i mean the pronouncements of scientists and global corporations, the same corporations, the same corporation is champing at the bit for all the government grants and contracts to get all tooled up for making expensive wind turbines , solar panels, wind turbines, solar panels, liquid processing liquid hydrogen processing plants and all those batteries, gazillions of batteries filled with the earth's rarest metals and minerals . the important work and minerals. the important work to notice there is real. and if the real know, what's it going to be like in 20 years time when all the existing stuff needs replaced and multiplied in number by a factor of ten or 100 or a thousand? if you believe

that science unquestioningly , if that science unquestioningly, if you can't or won't see vested interests at work, it may already be too late for you will to sacrifice everything on the promise of jam tomorrow. paying for a decade until the as yet non—existent technology is invented and fills all the yawning gaps. try selling that business pitch on dragons den. i don't know what i'm going to invent, but if you give me all your money, your way of life, and your children's futures this time next decade, we'll all be fat free, silk . they get away fat free, silk. they get away with because the message with it because of the message relentlessly out , the relentlessly pumped out, the message pumped out. morning, noon and night that we filthy mostly white creatures the mostly white creatures of the west with our greedy west half with our greedy consumption fossilfuels. consumption of fossil fuels. since the industrial revolution all set the world on fire. all but set the world on fire. if we don't stop now , or if we don't stop now, or preferably yesterday, they squeal. preferably yesterday, they squeal . the blue planet will squeal. the blue planet will shortly black and a lump of shortly be a black and a lump of charcoal, leaving little nest smoking as it hurtles smoking trail as it hurtles lifeless through universe . lifeless through the universe. by lifeless through the universe. by now, generations of people in the west have been raised to accept this grim premonition as holy writ. children are crying

themselves to sleep at night on account of the certainty that the planet won't continue to exist long enough for them to grow up . this ingrained, endemic grow up. this ingrained, endemic terror is the breeding ground for the insanity of net zero and the suicide note for millions. thatis the suicide note for millions. that is agenda 2030. generations alive today have been raised to believe that the planet and entire populations get to be a far, far more important than they are now. those alive today are of no concern. whatever when compared to the well—being of fantasy people of the future who will inhabit a utopia made possible by the impoverishment and immiseration of all of us here right now . collectively, we here right now. collectively, we are the first pancake the through we what i see what being robbed of our way of life as justified justifiably say our children are being raised to accept that they are being a light at all is the biggest part of the problem. what the planet wants, most of all, we are told, is to be rid of most of us. like too many in summer. all

too many flies in summer. all around the world, birthrates are dropping as fast a piano, dropping as fast as a piano, falling out of a window. the living populations of many nafions living populations of many nations not producing enough nations are not producing enough people to replace them after they nothing is done to they die. if nothing is done to slow runaway to drive slow this runaway train to drive the birth of many, many more babies every year, entire nafions babies every year, entire nations face inevitable extinction. worse than our way of life being under threat. life itself is being sacrificed to ensure the future of planet earth. the message fed to our children is satanic , dark that children is satanic, dark that we are nothing more than a blight upon the world. meat eating , resource consuming. eating, resource consuming. fossil fuel dependent parasites. once you contem plate the consequences of those poisonous seeds, the motivations behind anti—human notions like agenda 2030 and net zero will become obvious . look 2030 and net zero will become obvious. look around 2030 and net zero will become obvious . look around now. take, obvious. look around now. take, for instance, the idea of the 15 minute city. that's another foot in the door by mr. global. together with the clamp down on cars, the ideal city that started with congestion zones , started with congestion zones, but that has metastasised into

multi faceted determination to meet the privacy and convenience of independent travel. a thing of independent travel. a thing of the past , the idea of of the past, the idea of limiting our horizons and to within walking distance of our housesis within walking distance of our houses is about preparing us for smaller, meaner lives. lived under perpetual scrutiny. papers, please . critics say it's papers, please. critics say it's all very well if you actually already live in a city. but ask what about those in small towns , villages or in isolated homes in the countryside? if you ask me, that's to miss the point. a 15 minute city entirely . if you 15 minute city entirely. if you ask me the evolution in the minds of the powers that be , minds of the powers that be, like those little emperors gathered in davos, where the alpine air must be thick with the smell spent aviation fuel the smell of spent aviation fuel from of private jets from hundreds of private jets and if reports of me to believe the cologne worn by the thousands of sex workers who have arrived in town for no apparent reason whatsoever, the daily mail ran with the headline prostate it's gathered davos prostate. it's gathered in davos for annual meeting of global elite with demand for sexual services, rockets during economic summit . the grand plan

economic summit. the grand plan of those priapic masters of the universe will see us handed out of the countryside or out of the villages and into those cities already built and others yet to be.the already built and others yet to be. the direction of travel i detect will set aside the countryside for other purposes that us little people ought not to bother our pretty little heads about. probably growing all the bio fuel required for all the bio fuel required for all those private jets . who all those private jets. who knows in the future will all be city mice and the country mice will be just another extinct species like the cattle. pigs and sheep. the field works best on children and so much of the rest of the changed our way of life. target children first. last week i read about edinburgh being the first city in europe to commit to getting meat off the menu in schools . choice of the menu in schools. choice of it. what we eat is obviously another fundamental part of life that's being set aside without so much as a buy your leave . but so much as a buy your leave. but the future is meatless. the utopian future is meatless. make no mistake , at least for make no mistake, at least for the likes of us, that can't afford to attend davos in a

private jet or else made of some abomination grown in 3d printers in labs and sold to us as meat. and who's going to go meat free first? the kids, of course. those of us with kids know the truth of school meals, especially in primary schools . especially in primary schools. jamie oliver can bang on all he likes about revolutionising that aspect of the school day. but the reality of meat free lunches and most primary schools will be chips, pizzas, more chips, and those hyper processed chemistry set experiments they call vegan sausages. the ones with the ingredients list of unpronounceable additives on the back. as as the old back. that's as long as the old testament more chips like testament and more chips like rising damp crepes or an airborne virus . new laws are airborne virus. new laws are being conjured into existence all around us, all of them shaped to profoundly alter our lives . while we're conveniently lives. while we're conveniently distracted by a suspicious new pathogen and the threat of armageddon caused either by nuclear war or the planet bursting into flames on account of too many burping and of too many burping cows and homes that are warm in the winter as well as our way of life. old certainties dictated

by nature herself or being raised always , always. it's raised always, always. it's about attacking the foundations of the family. mothers are not necessarily women any more . necessarily women any more. women are certainly not a sex anymore, at least not as far as our elected representatives in parliament are concerned. and a move so fast you might break your neck trying to keep up with it. women are designated as something men can choose to be when it suits them less. an aduu when it suits them less. an adult human, female, more a state mind dress and state of mind in a dress and a pair of courts shoes. when i was allowed , the future was about allowed, the future was about world peace and teleporting to mars for summer holidays. instead it's turned out to be about no more plane flights unless you're a billionaire. mass vaccinations are not for health, but qualify for health, but to qualify for a digital barkers made of bugs digital id barkers made of bugs bikes instead of cars . a forever bikes instead of cars. a forever war in europe and biological men urinating next to little girls in the ladies toilets. the reams of new legislation are creeping up on us from all sides. if demonise those on strike just in time to secure public support for new laws against striking

oil, billionaires funded the climate crisis , glue downs and climate crisis, glue downs and sick throwing performances and art galleries just long enough to in laws limiting to usher in new laws limiting the public protest. the right to public protest. sliding well is the online sliding in as well is the online harms bill. a filthy rooted attempt to take freedom of speech by the scruff of the neck and throw it down. the waste chute as well. the world health organisation, second biggest funder, gates funder, the bill gates foundation. don't forget , foundation. don't forget, together with member states, is working towards a new pandemic treaty . that might working towards a new pandemic treaty. that might mean the working towards a new pandemic treaty . that might mean the next treaty. that might mean the next time and gates has put a hard pencil in the year 2025, in which he predicts there will be a doozy . it will be the a real doozy. it will be the wh0a, not the elected governments of sovereign nations that call the shots it that call the shots when it comes to vaccine mandates , comes to vaccine mandates, lockdowns, restrictions lockdowns, travel restrictions and all the rest. the legisla thing about how we heat our homes or rather how we don't heat them. heat pumps that everyone sketchy everyone with even a sketchy understanding of laws of understanding of the laws of physics and the nature of the climate the northern latitude climate in the northern latitude too knows won't work. no more gas how long before gas boilers. how long before they really do come for the wood

burners, the coal fires and the gas how long gas stoves as well? how long before decide they really before they decide they really will deny us every last one of the things that give us independence, helping us away from past in which our heating from a past in which our heating and powered by fuels and cooking is powered by fuels that cut off that can't be cut off for remotely. with the flick of remotely. with just the flick of a a smart metre. how a switch and a smart metre. how long got health freedom long have we got health freedom to move around our towns and around our world? the right to protest and dissent. the right to withhold our labour. freedom of nature of the of speech. the nature of the food eat. the right to refuse food we eat. the right to refuse to accept a medical intervention . to be women and . what it means to be women and men the race is on. our men. the race is on. our so—called leaders all pumped up on the adrenaline of lockdowns and mandate, sprinted out of the blocks for the ultimate round of supermarket sweep into the trolleys plan to keep every trolleys they plan to keep every last aspect of the lives we have had. think they've got had. they think they've got a scared to accept the scared enough to accept the whole lot of it. here's the thing. i'm not afraid of them. i don't even take them seriously .

don't even take them seriously. all of that's my opinion, of course . and you're free to course. and you're free to disagree. keep your tweets and your emails coming throughout the show. you can email gb views at gbnews.uk and you can tweet me as well at gb news. and i'll try to get to some of your comments later in the show. i'm joined tonight by the money expert and broadcaster justin buckles. lovely to see you again. i'm jacob reynolds. the partnership's manager at the academy of ideas. welcome back to you. to take a what do you think jasmine i see the can't help themselves they can't help helping themselves to our way of life. well you well i agree with what you've said, and particularly at the end. i don't take them seriously either. and what i'm seeing now is a break up of the whole situation that you have outlined . and i was you have outlined. and i was particularly i mean, it made me when i saw that that headline and i think it was the daily mail online about the prostitutes, you know, now in an

even last year, we wouldn't have had that headline, but this is, you know, the snickering has started. it's like prostitutes and then we've had the video of greta thunberg alleged arrest, you know, and her laughing with the police. we've got rebel news doing marvellous videos of asking people , really asking asking people, really asking hard questions, the sort of questions that the mainstream media should have been asking . i media should have been asking. i mean, i agree with you that we're having this stuff coming at us from all sides. you've got the online harms bill, as you say. we've got cbdcs potentially around you. central bank, digital . we've got digital currencies. we've got the whole net zero nonsense. we've got transgender questioning all over the place . questioning all over the place. but we have a growing number of people who are going this something isn't really there's something isn't really there's something very wrong here . and something very wrong here. and this is people who are absolutely mask up to the eyeballs. vax doing everything that the government said. now they're questioning. do you think so? jacob i would like to take as really in line with take that as really in line with how i'm thinking too. i think there's a ridiculousness about

that. ambitions creeping in. yeah. official there's a slight emperor's no clothes quality to a lot of these pronouncements and people do kind of a asking more difficult questions, digging a little bit deeper but it's still it's still in a slightly difficult transitionary penod slightly difficult transitionary period because what it takes is a tremendous amount of political courage people to stand up courage for people to stand up and kind of respond to these things. and similarly , that lack things. and similarly, that lack of courage of political courage is reflected the leaders who may reflected in the leaders who may be as malevolent you be on quite as malevolent as you might of pointed out might have kind of pointed out in opening. although in your opening. although i agree with most of the thrust of it, themselves, i it, but more they themselves, i think or lack kind of think lack of or lack kind of political courage offer some political courage to offer some solutions crises that we solutions to the crises that we kind of face. and as a result, they draw any old things they draw on any old things happened to be in the aether, whether it's net zero or pronouncements from the world economic whatever. pronouncements from the world ethink1ic whatever. pronouncements from the world ethink it's whatever. pronouncements from the world ethink it's that whatever. pronouncements from the world ethink it's that lack vhatever. pronouncements from the world ethink it's that lack of itever. i think it's that lack of courage kind of needs to courage that kind of needs to be addressed. think the more addressed. i do think the more they're exposed, the more that ideas widely disseminated, they're exposed, the more that ideimore widely disseminated, they're exposed, the more that ideimore ridiculous seminated, they're exposed, the more that ideimore ridiculous semiunwanted the more ridiculous and unwanted it to sound. going to it begins to sound. going to have to move on that. we've got to get to a break already, after

which dr. cincotta chatty will be tell us about the be here to tell us about the success had treating covid success he had treating covid patients findings patients and how his findings have by the medical have been ignored by the medical establishment around the .

world welcome back to neil oliver live . how to treat covid 19. that really should have been the question three years ago here in the west and around the world, doctors waited instead for a vaccine . sufferers were sent vaccine. sufferers were sent home until they had breathing difficulties. then they were put on ventilators in hospitals. people died in unknowable numbers. well, all that unfolded in those early months. some doctors sought to treat a covid patients. the first guest tonight is one of those, dr. shankar chetty from south africa has successfully treated thousands of his patients and also taught hundreds of other doctors to do likewise . dr. doctors to do likewise. dr. chetty joins me now . good

chetty joins me now. good evening, shankar. thank you for joining us. good evening, neal. and a pleasant evening to your viewers as well. thank you for that. quite simply, tell us your story of treating covid from the beginning . well neal, i made a beginning. well neal, i made a decision in 2020 when i heard that covid is circulating the globe, that there was a paucity of information surrounding the disease itself. and i wanted to examine every single patient and figure out exactly what was going on. i pitched a tent outside my home to take advantage of sunlight and ventilation , and i moved out of ventilation, and i moved out of my home to isolate myself from my home to isolate myself from my family. and i examined every covid patient that walked into my practise. triaged them, my practise. i triaged them, kept them separated so that people could be safe very early on, i noticed that i was dealing with something very unusual. i had suspicions that the illness wasn't properly classified and classified clinically within the first 20 patients. so i noticed

that there were a subset of patients who desaturated very rapidly . my concern was with the rapidly. my concern was with the breathlessness that was leading to hospitalisations and deaths. so i advised patients that if they experience those symptoms, i would like to know about it. timeously sleep. the first five patients that returned to breathless did so in a very strange way. all of them that became breathless became breathless on the eighth day. exactly a week after the onset of their first symptoms or the feeling of being unwell . now, feeling of being unwell. now, those patients that returned , those patients that returned, not all of them, they were a group that all all patients have the initial phase of vital infection . and all patients show infection. and all patients show infection. and all patients show in a reasonable space of time. good clinical improvement, which showed me we having a robust immunologic response to this virus. natural response . but virus. natural response. but there were a subset of patients who on the eighth day became unwell again and this becoming unwell again and this becoming unwell was very discreet . these unwell was very discreet. these patients were perfectly fine on

the seventh day. and in fact, i've had patients play squash and engage in other spotting activities on the seventh day, thinking that they've completely recovered illness . and recovered from the illness. and on eighth day, very suddenly on the eighth day, very suddenly became tired , which progressed became tired, which progressed to breathlessness , which then to breathlessness, which then progressed to oxygen dependency. and clearly i was dealing with two separate pathologies , a two separate pathologies, a biphasic illness with no correlation between the phases and no progression between the phases, because patients seem to have gotten better looking at that saturation. there are only two things i think that would cause you to decompensated in that rapid way. it is an allergic reaction, a severe allergic reaction, a severe allergic reaction, a severe allergic reaction to an allergen or an exposure to a venom that would kill you in a day or two if you do not address it aggressively in time you sleep. so looking at these patients, i was aware that they having some sort of hypersensitivity reaction on the eighth day to some kind of viral debris that was triggering this decompensation, which occurred directly the it was

directly in the lungs. it was clear that these patients could breathe easily, so there was no restriction to air flow, but they seemed to be a restriction to the elasticity of the lung. they couldn't take a deep breath, take off , sweat, dry. so breath, take off, sweat, dry. so clearly , these people, these clearly, these people, these patients had oedema of their lungs , but non—productive . so lungs, but non—productive. so and it was the absence of fever and it was the absence of fever and the usual symptoms that you would associate with any infection. so i was of the opinion that these patients are actually having a hypersensitivity reaction to some kind of viral allergen . and some kind of viral allergen. and some kind of viral allergen. and so i use that as my basis for the second line of treatment. in the second line of treatment. in the second line of treatment. in the second phase of the illness, we've all treated as that bad medical practitioners. we've treated these things before and the modality of treatment is simply steroids . to turn off simply steroids. to turn off that to an inappropriate immunologic test that's been turned on. and then, of course, to mop up all the mediators that get released during these kind of and use the of reactions. and so i use the antihistamines dependent on which system was affected. i

used either gotten to use two means or respiratory antihistamines. there's different kinds of histamines we know about the clotting issues. so aspirin was imperative. we know about the look trains . so know about the look trains. so i used montelukast to deal with that. and i got very quick , that. and i got very quick, immediate, almost clinical recoveries. that doesn't take long to reverse a bee sting . you long to reverse a bee sting. you cannot send that patient home till you are absolutely sure that you've turned that reaction around. so when i treat patients on the eighth day, i make sure i follow up the day before to ensure quick clinical response. if the response is not quick enough , then my interventions enough, then my interventions not aggressive enough and i need to readjust. and so over these past three years, during the first, second and third wave, the eighth day boy was out to be true. we managed to catch those patients that decompensated , patients that decompensated, decompensated and treated them aggressively and time asleep. so we saw the same pattern, even

though differences , terms were though differences, terms were affected by this reaction , the affected by this reaction, the respiratory and the first, the gastrointestinal in the second and in the third, we seemed to target the circulation and so we had all the clots and those kind of things happened. i published this in an academic journal here in south africa called modern medicine, which is a peer reviewed journal. in august to 2020. but i've gotten silence. i've tried to i've contacted every single publication in the world, none were willing to pubush world, none were willing to publish this either because it's too controversial or that i'm not a subscriber . too controversial or that i'm not a subscriber. seeing that they purported to be the custodians of science and new knowledge. i was pretty surprised that they wouldn't want to hear this. that could negate the effects of this pandemic. even before we considered a vaccination. but why? why on earth , when you had why? why on earth, when you had something that was working , why? why on earth, when you had something that was working, i believe you treated you've treated something like 14,000 patients. why would you want 14,000 patients? neil myself and many other thousands around the

world and i've trained thousands of doctors around the world and they've had the same outcomes. no hospitalisations, no deaths, no need for oxygen. in my practise and i've clearly negated the need for any vaccination to solve the problem. so so before there was any talk of vaccination, you had to your own satisfaction identified a course of treatment . you were to succeed successfully treating thousands of people. you were exporting that idea to those who were listening. what explanation is there for health authorities all around the world, especially in the west , at refusing to discuss the west, at refusing to discuss it, refusing to open up to pubuc it, refusing to open up to public debate and consideration ? well below them, i'm pretty convinced there is an agenda out there when you come up with the means to negate the mortality and morbidity in a global pandemic and people choose willingly not to listen, then i'm sure there's some underlying agenda going on. i have a friend in the cdc who became aware of my work in 2020. the cdc

contacted me to say they're interested in me presenting to them, but that presentation kept getting deferred till after the rollout of the vaccine . and i rollout of the vaccine. and i was contacted in january 20, 21 to ask if i would be willing to present. and that's as well, by the way. so i knew that there was an agenda to push the vaccines prior to any early treatment being acknowledged . so treatment being acknowledged. so yeah , my aim was to educate yeah, my aim was to educate doctors and educate patients about the importance of their data and recognising a saturation to get to treatment quickly , which saved all the quickly, which saved all the lives. so it, quickly, which saved all the lives. so it , it, it was quickly, which saved all the lives. so it, it, it was ranged from patient education to doctor education to understanding the pathophysiology of the illness itself. and what to treat. and a lot of the treatment is over the counter on label. i think the label of viral pneumonia was wrong. so this is a hypersensitivity pneumonitis triggered by spike protein on the eighth day in susceptible

individuals. and so everything i did was what doctors should have done from the start to treat the sick first. if we manage to solve all the mortality and morbidity , it completely negates morbidity, it completely negates the need for a spike based vaccine and rushed to market natural immunity was clearly evident from people recovery and furthermore, am i right in getting from what you're seeing that this if it's the spike protein that people susceptible people are really struggling with . a an mri any vaccine that with. a an mri any vaccine that only makes the body's produce more spike protein would have been. well counterproductive, to put it mildly. been. well counterproductive, to put it mildly . well, put it mildly. well, counterproductive and i think very poorly designed and ill conceived . if we are allergic to conceived. if we are allergic to spike protein, a subset of the population and it triggers an immune response , an allergic immune response, an allergic kind of hypersensitivity response, then no manner of

vaccine is going to address that issue . it's like someone gets issue. it's like someone gets stung with a bee and we spending our time chasing the bees rather than treating the allergic reaction to the sting. so the virus is really inconsequential . coronavirus is not the primary pathogen of covid illness. it is spike protein that triggers a high percentage of a reaction that results in all the mortality and morbidity. so it's a pathogenic protein that is the primary pathogen of covid illness and not the virus. but we've spent our time chasing the virus. and of course, we've seen the lack of benefit in doing that globally . of course, when that globally. of course, when we deal with in allergic reaction attempt to expose the patient to that allergen, can only bring tolerance . and that's only bring tolerance. and that's what we're seeing recently with boosting of the vaccine that we're getting ig for , which is we're getting ig for, which is an immunoglobulin that gets your body to tolerate whatever you're being exposed to. and that's a

dangerous thing if your body to tolerate . it's an infection with tolerate. it's an infection with coronavirus , it's going to lead coronavirus, it's going to lead to more severe illness and more prolonged illness because you are not responding to it and that's where we at this was discussed from the early 2021. i made my views on the vaccine very, very well known that the vaccine will not do what we expect it to do . we are dealing expect it to do. we are dealing with a severe immune dysregulation and it should be treated as such. dr. longo has done that with dr. chetty. that's that's a fascinating account that you've given in. it's such a success form that eveni it's such a success form that even i even i understand that effortlessly. thank you so much. but time's against this. and i'm going to have to. all i can do now, at this moment is just to say thank you so much. and i will very much look forward to picking the story up with you again in the future and hearing more about it. but now, dr. more about it. but for now, dr. shankar chetty, thank very shankar chetty, thank you very much did much indeed. jasmine, how did you react to that simple statement? well as you say, it's simple. it's straightforward. it

seems us seems pretty obvious even to us of a non—married person like me. and i'm listening as a journalist thinking again, journalist thinking yet again, here of, in this here we are hearing of, in this case, list publications case, special list publications going, oh, no, we can't hear you, can't hear you because we've got our advertisers, our sponsors. they're telling us not to hear you . you know, this is, to hear you. you know, this is, i think what we've got across the board. we've got this with media. we've got this with government. government have no idea to until they hear idea what to say until they hear from it sounds me their from their it sounds to me their corpora sponsors jake that corpora it sponsors jake that what's your reaction to hearing that a doctor working doctor that a doctor a working doctor confronted with thousands of patients he deduces what he does , tries to tell the world about it and it falls into the void. well, i think there are no medical professionals . i can't medical professionals. i can't comment on the specifics, obviously, we obviously, but i mean, what we do about , the pandemic, is do know about, the pandemic, is that was a mass state of that there was a mass state of panic around the provision of health services. but at health care services. but at times, health care services focussed rather treating focussed rather on treating the illness. were illness. they were more concerned stopping concerned about stopping the spread virus, which may spread of the virus, which may or have been the right or may not have been the right decision. also know that decision. but we also know that

there was a kind of unwillingness to from the unwillingness to learn from the evidence. the pandemic evidence. as the pandemic progressed, and that the kind of gatekeepers of scientific evidence proved very own response to new information coming found that out coming in. we found that out with regards the origin of with regards to the origin of the virus and the use the of the virus and the use scandal has been around people trying down conversation scandal has been around people tryirsimilarly down conversation scandal has been around people tryir similarly similar:onversation and similarly similar things happened to happened with regards to treatment protocols and spreading and what spreading evidence and what should be science . medicine should be science. medicine being a science relies on debate and discussion. i think it's just the most it's one of the most extraordinary bits of testimony i've had in the last couple of years. you know, a doctor saying that he had understood what was going on. i was to prove was was able to prove it was successful treatment of thousands of people. and he couldn't get the western couldn't get the wider western world had world to listen to what he had learned because they were doggedly to nothing but doggedly going to do nothing but wait a vaccine. does wait for a vaccine. it does seem, know , genuinely there seem, you know, genuinely there is interest among certain is no interest among certain class of persons , no interest in class of persons, no interest in actually helping people, keeping people alive, helping that it is entirely it seems, a sort of a dogmatic desire to be right,

entirely it seems, a sort of a dogmatic desire to be right , to dogmatic desire to be right, to be the first with some technology to make a lot of money. astonishing, astonishing . i can't wait to hear more from dr. chetty at some point, the future, actually another breaks upon us, after which artificial intelligence could give people the chance to speak with lost loved ones. this let's interrogate that properly . we interrogate that properly. we will be discussing the positives and the negatives with one of our friendly futurologist sites back in a couple of minutes .

there you are . where have you there you are. where have you been? back with neil oliver live now , the loss of a loved one now, the loss of a loved one might be the hardest blow to be endured in life. for many, the grief is intensified by feelings of unfinished business. things left unsaid , but for others, a left unsaid, but for others, a lingering wish is that they could just talk again to their mum or dad or whoever it is that has died . no, artificial

has died. no, artificial intelligence is offering the grieving the chance to do just that rather than just look at photos , films and other mementos photos, films and other mementos . read memory can take your archive of physical memories and use it to generate an avatar of sorts of that lost loved one that can take part in real time conversations . joining me to conversations. joining me to discuss the concept and it's a concept that i absolutely do not know how to internalise and is future ologist . andrew ebel. future ologist. andrew ebel. andrew, thanks for coming. pleasure to see you being with us. first of all, tell us how re memory works. what is it? yeah, well, basically this particular company is a soul based company. quite appropriate looking at the soul and what it is. it's a korean company which will take your memories whilst you're alive. they tell about sort alive. they tell you about sort of 7 hours of interviews with you and they will record and their record, your mannerisms , their record, your mannerisms, your voice patterns . and they your voice patterns. and they also encourage you to share particular memories. if you've got a diary and so on and so

forth, and what i will then do gets fed into this machine, this artificial intelligence, which will then mimic you as an individual, and you're basically combining that, and they're missing a few tricks, which would on be basically would come on to be basically combine then with the combine that then with the visual . as were visual image. well, as we were discussing that, like harry discussing that, it's like harry potter, it's the images come to life . and what this life. and then what this particular saying is particular company is saying is that then to come that you can then pay to come and past loved ones and visit your past loved ones and visit your past loved ones and in a conversation. and engage in a conversation. now this is the headline stuff which all sounds very creepy and scary . this is an image on a scary. this is an image on a screen is a 3d hologram , which screen is a 3d hologram, which is pretty. they could do a lot better. so their particular product is you go along and it's actually it looks like a hologram and you basically it's probably you you've spent about 10000 t 0 £20000 probably you you've spent about 10000 t o £20000 creating this 10000 to £20000 creating this hologram and feeding it at the intelligence . and then what this intelligence. and then what this particular company is saying is that you spend 1000 t o £2000 that you spend 1000 to £2000 a time every time you come for a visit, 2 to 3000 times with none to chat with. then there is a

much better solution . and the much better solution. and the better solution i've been that's, you know, working with holograms for many years. and we do what we call digital resurrections. so working, for example, in the music world, if you've never seen elvis perform , we can basically from our archive footage and so on and so forth, recreate your elvis and put him on the stage with a live orchestra. but there is a difference there. i would say, where, you know, people are going knowing that they're just going knowing that they're just going to a resurrect dead going to watch a resurrect dead performance. i don't see performance. but i don't see preying on people's grief by suggesting to them that they are now in the presence of the lost loved one. is that not just that's not certainly one way of looking? well, it's sort of it is because this is done their lifetime. so it's rather if you like it's the stage i'm not everybody i absolutely understand that. but it's the stage saying, look, stage on film saying, look, here's and watch here's let's go and watch a family movie. this is us grannies christmas time, grannies at christmas time, enjoying whatever was left of the here's that funny the turkey. here's that funny sort memory about they met sort of memory about they met and that of stuff. so

and all that sort of stuff. so some people will very , some people will find it very, very comforting. you look at very comforting. if you look at the is on this particular the video is on this particular company's website. they're all people who have very moved as a result of it. jacob, what do you think of just in principle, inviting people to imagine that they're talking to someone who is, after all, not there? well, i mean, reuters and philosophers often point out that we get the technologies socially, that we kind of craving a way, and kind of craving in a way, and this represents, i think, is that people increasingly are struggling to give meaning to life. and so therefore are struggling come to terms with struggling to come to terms with people and so that people being dead. and so that naturally breeds kind of need naturally breeds a kind of need to on to remnants of to cling on to the remnants of the i mean, we saw of the past. i mean, we saw one of the past. i mean, we saw one of the revelations from harry's biography was his in a book was kind of one of the massive stories that was inability to come terms the of come to terms with the loss of his mother. so he was paying his mother. and so he was paying mediums and psychic light, mediums and psychic and light, all of things and in all these kind of things and in all these kind of things and in a way, what technology a way, what this technology represents not writ large represents is not writ large across our inability to across society. our inability to come death because come to terms with death because we struggled get meaning we struggled to get meaning to life. wouldn't you

life. but but just wouldn't you say jacobs saying say that hubert jacobs saying that feed inability that that's feed ing inability to accept reality rather rather than having someone find up a measured way of accepting the loss . yeah, a way of moving on. loss. yeah, a way of moving on. and it does. i mean, as jacob says, i think it is very much to do with not just a lack of meaning of life, but but a lack of understanding of life as spirit and because we have increasingly been told that there is only matter you born, you live, you die . and of those you live, you die. and of those like myself, for example, who don't agree with that, i think that, you know , we have a much that, you know, we have a much we should have a much better sense of life as spirit it has nothing to do with matter but. different. interesting. andrew isn't this is circumventing what has been for thousands an unimaginable period of time. people believing and accepting that lost loved ones are are somewhere in another in another existence . and i think you

existence. and i think you absolutely see, this is an area that decaffeinated coffee fakery. well, there is a degree of fakery about it. but the other way of looking at it is one up from the family album, the photographs, which you don't burn at the end of it. it's the that the memories if you like on film and so and so forth. so film and so on and so forth. so if you can and this is just the beginning, as i say, it will now beginning, as i say, it will now be because technology be possible because technology is you can combine it is there that you can combine it and share it with and this will share it with robotic. so you could have you could have on an absolutely. you could have on an absolutely. you could have on an absolutely. you could have a robot which could have a robot online which will look and feel and smell the same as your nan will have the same as your nan will have the same memories, if you like , all same memories, if you like, all that sort of basis. are we are we opening the door into a new reality where we as a species will be made redundant ? the will be made redundant? the capabilities of artificial intelligence . and that's always intelligence. and that's always the scary thing. i was not just. it'll do your job. yeah or harvest the crop . it will harvest the crop. it will actually outthink you and actually outthink you and actually be a better version of . and it's already happening. so in al and i've been talking

about this for years and in 2016 an ai machine beat the world, go champion on that somebody. so outthink them. it's what alan turing , the famous in the 1950, turing, the famous in the 1950, he called the imitation game when basically you can fool somebody into believing they're talking to a human being as opposed to a machine, we're already there . so the advances already there. so the advances in that sort of side a tremendous. the trouble is the media always look at the negative side of it. and their treatment. and i watched another movie today called up meghan not to with harry or anything to do with harry or anything else, with a.i. else, but it's to do with a.i. robot a toy and sort of one robot at a toy and sort of one up from chucky, if you like. but again, that negative side again, is that negative side about of the machine? about the rise of the machine? hal in 2001, you're looking at ex machina, all of those negative implications about how the machine will work. the advance is there, but the advances in a.i, for example, medicine stuff like if medicine and stuff like that, if you link, if you go to you can link, if you go to a doctor, if you can get an appointment and that doctor on his or her desk has access to the best research in the world,

automatically, again help you diagnose to improve your treatment. that has got to be a good thing. yes. as with so much of technology with i think we have got to point where the have got to the point where the technology, a.i. is way of technology, the a.i. is way of way past us and we've allowed it to go forward without us thinking about the morality of this, having a look at the how it genuinely fits in with humanity rather than trying to fit humanity around the a.i. it's posing some of the biggest questions that our species will have been asked in 300,000 years. sadly we've got to go to the break. andrew, thank you very much for that stuff. wonderful stuff. i could talk about that the rest of the about that for the rest of the 2 hours, but we've got another break to get through a cash. withdrawals are up for the first time in 13 years. is the old folding making a comeback folding stuff making a comeback ? find in a couple of ? we'll find out in a couple of minutes. i'm simon minutes. bear with us. i'm simon evans. join me on gb news. the headune evans. join me on gb news. the headline winners in 11 pm. what's the scoop? i'll be joined by two of the country's top comedians . yes, that's right. we

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channel are we've missed you. welcome back to neil oliver life in the money song. monty python sang about how there's nothing quite as wonderful as money. there is nothing quite as beautiful as cash. nothing quite as beautiful as cash . some people say it's cash. some people say it's folly, but rather have the lolly with money. you can make a splash . in recent years, the old splash. in recent years, the old folding stuff moola wedge bees and honey, whatever you call it, has been going out of fashion, replaced first by plastic cards

on, then by apps on smartphones . but according to the latest research by the neilsen ads, the leading godiva's , the whole new leading godiva's, the whole new plant is and the ponies and the monkeys are on the way back nationwide has reported the first increase in cash withdrawals from atms for 13 years. autobahns nationwide. director of payments joins me now . good evening, otto. thank now. good evening, otto. thank you for joining now. good evening, otto. thank you forjoining me. hi. thank you forjoining me. hi. thank you very much . you forjoining me. hi. thank you very much. i am you forjoining me. hi. thank you very much . i am cheered by you very much. i am cheered by this news, but tell us why , is this news, but tell us why, is this news, but tell us why, is this happening . good question . this happening. good question. we think really that it's partially due to the end of governments partially due to the fact that we are actually in a bit of a difficult time economically and what we see is that people are taking more physical cash out so that they can use it to budget more easily . when you actually take money out of the hole in the world, you've got that money in front of you and that's what you spend. actually that's what

spend. and actually that's what we people doing . is that we see people doing. is that is that also i appreciate that. but is that also an element i told you think of a fightback against the cashless society notions like digital currencies and cryptocurrencies . i'm not sure cryptocurrencies. i'm not sure trying to say it's a five back, but definitely agree that the end of cash has been called far too often and far too quickly . too often and far too quickly. cash is very much not finished and people are still using it and people are still using it and i think people want to use it and i think people like using it and i think people like using it and i think people like using it and i think it's not finished. just when you use the money, my point. what's your what's your take on the knowledge that people have taken up more cash and just carrying it with them, spending it as they wish? yes, i agree that there are two main reasons. one is because when are tough, is because when times are tough, it's to budget with with it's easier to budget with with cash. folding you cash. actual folding money. you can see it going out of your wallet. to wallet. you realise how to budget. but the other thing is there is a fight back. there is

a fight back against the encroachment digital . a lot encroachment of digital. a lot of are realising if we go of people are realising if we go fully digital , that's our fully digital, that's our freedoms gone . if we go to freedoms gone. if we go to central bank digital currencies, that really is our freedoms gone. right now time you use a credit card and i use them credit card and i use them credit debit cards certainly there is a trace of the trace on on everything that you do . but on everything that you do. but importantly, there's a there's a charge. so there are you've got visa, mastercard, who make money every time you have a transaction there that they have been waging a war against cash because they hate the fact that with cash , they don't make any with cash, they don't make any money. and so this is, again , money. and so this is, again, it's a very much a corporate push with government, some governments as well , being very governments as well, being very interested in the control element. jacob, you don't you don't . but with due respect to don't. but with due respect to the both of you, i can't stand this kind of technology go. determinism a lot. ism conspirator ism around the around end cash. of around the end end of cash. of course, governments want to course, if governments want to put kind restrictive

put in kind of restrictive surveillance on what we do and buy, then that will be a challenge that we fight democratically. that's democratically. but that's not because technology. the because of the technology. the technology neutral. we decide technology is neutral. we decide what and what to make of it. and personally, the personally, i enjoy the convenience my convenience of paying on my phone and all the rest of it. i know plenty of people who operate businesses. that's a huge, burden removed from huge, huge burden removed from the of their business, the running of their business, having do cash having to count cash and do cash takes. all these kind of takes. and all of these kind of things. the transaction things. and the transaction costs easier costs are just it just easier and convenient. i think and more convenient. and i think should welcome and steer the technology and not direction rather being rather than being conspiratorial. you know, conspiratorial. well you know, convenience is always a problem when very when you find something is very convenient. that is the danger. and you have with if we do and what you have with if we do go a digital economy, go to a totally digital economy, then if we have, as they said in davos , so we're going to have davos, so we're going to have some major cyber attack. that's it. that's that's your money gone for, you know, as long as the systems are out. we need to have something to fall back on. and increasingly i more and more people are realising that they need to have this safety net. frankly of cash. jacob are you

still sorry? otto are you still with us or too? are people taking out large sums of money? i mean, it's even possible to tell the. or is it just the old 20 or the old tenner here and there, people are taking out reasonable sums at the average cash withdrawal is abou t £105. cash withdrawal is about £105. there's actually quite substantial it's not it's not just small sums. clearly, that there's a whole range of behaviour there, but some people taking small sums out of the on small sums. but you know, people on average taking more than small sums. but you know, people on average taking more tha n £200 on average taking more than £200 out. i'm not i'm not above the average for the would we would we expect a push back vein from you know adjustment was seeing there's a very clear financial imperative for visa mastercard and the rest because the get up you get a payment for every transaction. well it push back will be when we see even harder to get hold of actual money in the in the months and years ahead to try and further discourage that kind of

antediluvian transaction. i i'm not sure i'm not sure i go that far. i think what i'd say is the use of cash is actually really dominated by people who want to accept that it's all about where you go to shop and whether they would prefer to take physical cash or cards and like cash or cards and actually like you said, cash is not free pnces you said, cash is not free prices and cash is not free. taking cards is not free. and actually there is a competition between cards and cash and what's the most convenient, somewhat less convenient . what somewhat less convenient. what i think we need to say in the societies is to enable people to use the type of payment that they'd like to use, whether it's physical cash or cards . we're physical cash or cards. we're definitely just focusing on. jasmine butler here has a question for your point. well, yes , because i was thinking it's yes, because i was thinking it's true . we do need to have both of true. we do need to have both of them, because if you have just one, then that whatever one it is has all the power. and i do know that i think it was visa. it was either visa or mastercard. i think it was visa

a few years ago. worth paying £10,000 or $10,000, depending they are to small businesses to go cashless. so there is most definitely and actual push to get rid of cash to push small businesses , particularly also businesses, particularly also large businesses to not take cash. but i have quite a few friends who are now saying to businesses, well, if you don't take cash, i won't i won't spend my money here. so we have seen a few businesses reverse their decision of going cashless because of that . how do you because of that. how do you react to that ? i think i think react to that? i think i think well, i think i think you're right. you know, people use cash because they to use it. you've mentioned some of the other reasons. i want to reasons. but i want to necessarily be controlled . but, necessarily be controlled. but, you know, it is all about convenience. it's about convenience. it's about convenience for the people who want to use cash in shops. it's about the convenience of the businesses and merchants to take it. and i think we can probably live with those. and i think cashless is definitely not going out of circulation . people still out of circulation. people still want to use and you can see that

little growth back in the use of cash or to banks director of payments and nationwide. thank you for your time this evening. fascinating thank you very much , jacob . what about privacy? , jacob. what about privacy? doesit , jacob. what about privacy? does it not bother you that when you do something, does it not bother you that when you do something , let's see. for you do something, let's see. for example, a central bank, digital currency, you know, you're for all the future that your every action, your every move, everything you buy, everywhere you go, every meal you share with friends will be attached to you . well, this question you. well, this question obviously comes up with everything related to the digital world, which is that there's a trial that can be potentially tracked and all the rest of it. that doesn't mean that we just kind of give up on the and say the the technology and say the technology inherently technology is inherently dangerous is that we up dangerous is that we come up with of laws and with the right kind of laws and social attitudes regulate. social attitudes to regulate. i'm have get into a i'm going to have to get into a break here. that's the end of the hour. but coming the first hour. but coming up next, lucky to next, we're lucky to be surrounded fantastic surrounded by fantastic female role models. and one of them will after will be joining me after the break to discuss last night's inspiration awards women.

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welcome back. once more to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio . coming up on the second radio. coming up on the second hour of tonight's show, i'll be joined by the human rights activist mary on thomson train to discuss last night's inspiration awards for women . inspiration awards for women. i'll also be joined by three brilliant female photographers to discuss their careers and show some examples of their show us some examples of their work. our great britain has arranged a charter to work for her friend, who is suffering from cancer, and both of them will joining us tonight. jeff hummel joining us live hummel will be joining us live from coast of america to from the coast of america to tell about his hunt for tell us about his hunt for a ship which sank back in 1875. plus, more chat with my plus, plenty more chat with my fantastic panellists, jasmine battles and jacob reynolds. but

first, an update on the latest from tatiana sanchez . neal, from tatiana sanchez. neal, thank you very much. good this is the latest from the gb newsroom former chancellor nadhim zahawi has sought to address questions over his tax affairs following reports he paid a penalty as part of a multi—million pound tax settlement. in a statement , a settlement. in a statement, a conservative party chairman , the conservative party chairman, the hmrc, accepted he made a careless but not deliberate error in relation to the sale of shares in yougov. that's the polling company he founded. mr. zahawi has been under pressure following claims he tried to avoid paying tax and labour have said his position is untenable . said his position is untenable. the prime minister is facing a renewed wave of criticism from mps , with labour describing him mps, with labour describing him as a total liability after he was by police for a second time. rishi sunak apologised for not wearing a seat belt whilst

filming a social media clip in the back of a moving car earlier on this week. the prime minister was also fined last year for breaking lockdown restriction rules in 2020 and has been accused of showing the same disregard for rules as boris johnson , shadow financial johnson, shadow financial secretary james murray says. mr. sunak has lost control. just when you thought the conservatives couldn't get any more ridiculous , rishi sunak more ridiculous, rishi sunak shows that he can't even fasten his own seatbelt . and i think his own seatbelt. and i think this speaks volumes about the fact that the prime minister is not is not in control and can pay- not is not in control and can pay. keir starmer with rishi sunak's keir starmer has been at the world economic forum this week promoting the uk , promoting week promoting the uk, promoting a plans for economic growth in rishi sunak can't design seat belt i think people will make their own judgement about who's going to lead the country. but the deputy prime minister, dominic raab, has defended mr. sunak, saying he's a human being who made a mistake.

sunak, saying he's a human being who made a mistake . the prime who made a mistake. the prime minister put his hand straight up. it was a mistake he's apologised for it. he takes responsibility for it. he hasn't actually gone down that path of blaming anyone else. he's taken responsibility it. he'll pay responsibility for it. he'll pay the fine. he's a human as well as a incredibly busy politician. the prime minister got a frantic , hectic schedule, but he's made it clear there's no excuses . the it clear there's no excuses. the founder of the bus firm stagecoach , dame anne cloke, has stagecoach, dame anne cloke, has strongly dispute what she calls malicious allegation made against her after being charged with human trafficking offences . police scotland says three other people are understood to be members of her family, which charged on thursday in connection with alleged immigration offences. ms. globe denies the allegations made against her and her family family . the met office has family. the met office has issued a weather warning for fog tomorrow, but says the worst of the cold spell is now coming to an end. the yellow alert covering the south and east of england will be in place until 11 am. on monday. drivers are

being warned of icy conditions with possible disruption to flights next week. however, temperatures right across the country are expected to tick climb yet again. country are expected to tick climb yet again . tv online and climb yet again. tv online and dab+ radio this is gb news. now it's back to neil . it's back to neil. thanks tatiana and welcome back to neil. all of our life now founded in 2008, the inspiring awards for women acknowledge those women that are ideal role models for the next generation. the awards website says that i fight back against the often negative portrayal of women in the press . negative portrayal of women in the press. this year's negative portrayal of women in the press . this year's event was the press. this year's event was held last night in london celebrating an oscars style splendour. those women doing substantial things in society . substantial things in society. joining me now to discuss the importance of such awards is ,

importance of such awards is, author, sculptor and activist among many other things, genuine polymath marianne thomas and frank . good evening, marianne. frank. good evening, marianne. evening, neil. thank you for being with us. why does a ceremony like this matter and awards set up like this matter? well, i think to understand that, we have to look at the history of it. it was established by sky andrew, who did it in honour of his late mother's visa. and here is the story of an amazing woman who spent all these years baking black pudding just so that she could man become an could raise a man to become an olympian achieve things. olympian and achieve things. and there women like that all there are women like that all over the today that are over the world today that are doing things, amazing sacrifices , working hard. and they , working so hard. and they change the world by what they do. but we don't see that. instead, at sexy as instead, we look at how sexy as a woman, how you know all these other values. and it's very limited when a woman's ideal limited to when a woman's ideal all ranges. we don't look at all age ranges. we don't look at what happens to a woman as she gets and sometimes the gets older and sometimes the strongest that strongest voices come from that kind exposure science. and kind of exposure science. and that's something is that's something that is sellable . and for example, with sellable. and for example, with don mary berry, was just the

don mary berry, she was just the epitome of dignity, grace , epitome of dignity, grace, strength. and we were just on of her last night. she was midnight and she was up there on the stage full of, you know, you know, verve and energy and love for this life. and i think that's something that everyone can resonate with. how is it how has it come to pass? it's the 21st century and women, more than 50% of the population are not getting the recognition they deserve. you would see how can that still be? i think part of it is that both genders are having to learn how we value each other , you know, and i each other, you know, and i think that it's very important and i speak to fellow feminists all the time say we have to value the male and we have to recognise that young men and older right now are being older men right now are being tasked redefining an tasked with redefining what an ideal masculinity is ideal masculine masculinity is and as women we have to apply what that is and at the same time recognise within ourselves all those things that sadly used to seen weak. it's to be seen as weak. it's powerful. to be compassionate in this day and age. especially

when everything is trying encourage act in a encourage you to act in a sociopathic to say , i sociopathic manner, to say, i feel i care. that is a feel and i care. that is a beautiful thing. a powerful thing that both genders can benefit from. do these awards, do any awards? acknowledge each. women who let's see. you know the no . it necessarily increases the no. it necessarily increases outside the home. but, you know, raising families , you know, raising families, you know, making those kinds of commitments to family life , to commitments to family life, to their immediate communities. yeah. they recognise women that we're ceos and they recognise women that there's a woman there that raised four children and she was recognised as just an exceptional mother and the idea is in a real world that values women in general. it's a woman's right to choose how she wants to be a woman. so we're going to value all of it equally because it's all about impact. are you making a positive impact the world, jasmine? do you think when look out what you when you look out at what you were with, do you were presented with, do you think younger generation, think the younger generation, girls and young are girls and young women are presented role models presented with good role models of their own sex? a few, yes. i think we've got both. we've got

good role models and we've got very bad role models. i mean, i don't personally consider the kardashians to be good role models, though they've made models, even though they've made insane amounts of money. i've never been a fan of madonna. there have been quite a number of role models i think have have actually used the wrong sides of femininity , whereas the ones femininity, whereas the ones that you mentioned compassion, for example. i agree , is for example. i agree, is powerful. and i do think that right now, as you say, men , right now, as you say, men, young men, particularly older men , are having to re—evaluate men, are having to re—evaluate their relationship with women and who they are . and of course, and who they are. and of course, we also have, it seems to me, a big push to eliminate the existence of women . we have existence of women. we have we've had a few women events which which are essentially celebrating men, you know, men in a dress, basically. and that's that's how i would see it. so i think there is something that we as women need to stand up for right now , that

to stand up for right now, that we are women and, we will not be annihilated. jacob do you think do you think the male is properly paying attention to the female sex? do you think we are you making space for and recognise the kind of role models that were that were thrown? but i mean i wouldn't necessarily puts it in that kind of man versus woman sense, but i think certainly as a as a society there is a lot of temptation at the moment. only value terms of value women in terms of vulnerability. so there's vulnerability. and so there's a lot of of push for women to lot of kind of push for women to see and especially see themselves and especially young to see themselves as young women to see themselves as victims of social media over victims of social media over victims catcalling, victims of catcalling, as victims of catcalling, as victims the male gaze or victims of the male gaze or whatever is. and think whatever it is. and i think that's kind of really detrimental to especially young women, tells the women, because it tells them the only way to get ahead in life is kind victim of kind of make a victim of yourself than do the yourself rather than do the kinds of achievements, whether it's in the workplace in the it's in the workplace or in the home community that home or your community that require think of require you kind of think of yourself as a robust positive person make impact on person who can make an impact on the with that vulnerability. the box with that vulnerability. i detrimental i think it's kind of detrimental for women. mean, for young women. i mean, i definitely can't let go by

definitely can't let this go by without, out without, you know, pointing out that own bev turner gb news that our own bev turner gb news is, was, was given an award last at these this at the ceremony, which, apart from anything else, demonstrates news demonstrates that gb news absolutely is the people's channel. a channel. it was up. it was a popular vote was the public vote that bev that we that acknowledged bev in that we but having said that man did the event get media attention that attract coverage. i think it did. i think it did because you know, right now people feel very strongly like, for example , you strongly like, for example, you know, is what you were just saying a moment. you know, there are women that have been victims and have still become incredibly strong. and s.o.s. to me, i think one of the strengths that we heard last night is whether it was a victimisation and maybe it was a victimisation and maybe it was a sexual accosting, but or it might have also been you know, there were women that had actually been, you know, migrants who had survived great, great struggles in order to become heads of their own corporation . and so i think the corporation. and so i think the idea that you don't have to choose between life may have created you and put you in a

situation where you're victimised, but you can choose your strength in your path. and that's was celebrating . that's what i was celebrating. what did you make of think it what did you make of i think it was the brits this year that dispensed with , you know, male dispensed with, you know, male artist , female artist and just artist, female artist and just had artist and yet all five nominees were men , you know , are nominees were men, you know, are we getting ourselves into an unnecessary mess when it comes trying to be inclusive ? and my trying to be inclusive? and my personal opinion, you know, as someone that is competitive, you know, i'm a sculptor , a writer. know, i'm a sculptor, a writer. my ego would like to know i'm the best that stands alone now. you know , can't speak for all you know, can't speak for all women know. there's some women that may feel that it's important to have their own category but. for me, if i'm in a competition for something that is regarding talent or ability or not i would like to be able to stand on my own. but i look, i could i could something that come to pass that, you know the space for five nominees for

artist who makes these artist and yet who makes these selections. well i mean we can put the brits to one side but the point being that i think there are some areas of life like in art music and those kind of things where while men and women sometimes bring slightly different the different qualities to the table, can't a table, you can't make a definitive judgement. it's okay. men are always better in one category another. could category or another. this could have blip, but it's have just been a blip, but it's also remember also important to remember they're of life. they're all areas of life. they're such a sport they're like that. such a sport where 100% need own where women 100% need their own categories and women need to better compete against other women because there are fundamental differences, the sexes. if we be sexes. so i think if we can be kind of grown up and recognise that all those kind of that in all those kind of fields, maybe we can have single categories five men get categories. and if five men get nominated sometime, maybe just because were five better because there were five better men year, in the men that year, but but in the other categories, like in, we need to really keep the separation. i don't think that's going though, with the going to last though, with the brits. you brits. i mean, you know, you were talking about egos. you know, you take away know, frankly if you take away ways which can can ways in which people can can make it can can be the best in something, then that's not going

to last. people are not going to stand for that. i think are not going to stand for that. well, inevitable today's day and inevitable in today's day and age. just have five age. they'll just have five mandate. the two them are men mandate. the two of them are men and of them women. and and two of them are women. and they'll one kind of like they'll be one kind of like special, wildcard where we special, a wildcard where we women being recognised women where being recognised last night, you know you give us some of the range of who was being conveyed israel as well in the room here we had so many people have. i mean, there is a woman and i wish i could remember her name, but she just touched me because she can only remember three years of her life . she calls herself a three year old, but because that's all she remember. three the three last years of her adult saw her bring drop . so she won an award drop. so she won an award because she despite living in this mentality , she has made this mentality, she has made enormous strides in serving her community and helping her family and doing all of this. and so, i mean, one of the things that we're looking at is who is a will survivor, who is pulling himself up with the bootstraps and remarkable things you some

days i might because some days even i might because some inconvenience someone you off in traffic and yet you see people out there that are just doing phenomenal things with their lives that they did an lives and that they did an amazing of recognising that and then you still people like then you still had people like emma that came emma thompson that came and celebrate think part celebrate that. and i think part of that is seeing when you have that society says , oh, pay that society says, oh, pay attention to this person . attention to this person. they're saying attention to they're saying pay attention to this over here that's this person over here that's doing something remarkable . how doing something remarkable. how doing something remarkable. how do do do you powerful. how do the awards work, know, how do awards work, you know, how do people people nominated by people are people nominated by my friends by associates, by my is sky and do makes it public people nominate each other. it is very open to the public and then there are a couple that there's a magazine called global woman led by its ceo mirella . woman led by its ceo mirella. and the magazine selects business women awards as. and the magazine selects business women awards as . well, business women awards as. well, marianne lovely to hear from you tonight. lovely. sounds like an excellent event and more power to the elbow of whoever's organising that. thank you for it.thank organising that. thank you for it. thank you. being here. this we're on to another break after

which. well, we've just been talking about inspirational women and have three more women and we have three more coming in to join in the coming in to join us in the studio darling paulina the studio and darling paulina the cover and marry late all are huge the successful female photographers and they will be here to discuss their work .

welcome back to neil oliver live . before going any further, i've got some feedback from from earlier in the show i want to say is the point you made about our leaders lack of courage. i think correct. it takes battle to speak out against the groupthink. however i to speak out against the groupthink. howeveri agree to speak out against the groupthink. however i agree with jasmine that once the cracks start to appear, there will be a tsunami the whole rotten tsunami and the whole rotten fraud will collapse. well, here's hoping . and michelle here's hoping. and michelle says, question as these says, big question as these pathetic political classes are just yes, men and women paid by the taxpayers and doing what they're employed to do . and that they're employed to do. and that includes civil servants while they still have jobs . michelle

they still have jobs. michelle and david says , thank you, neal. and david says, thank you, neal. all of a common sense prevails. he has my vote for prime minister. oh, god , no, please , minister. oh, god, no, please, no. women have shaped and influenced the art and business of photography for the best part of photography for the best part of 200 years. figures anna atkins, botanist and one of the first female photographer for the french surrealist photographer claude cahun , a photographer claude cahun, a dutch fashion photographer , dutch fashion photographer, vivian sasson, and iconic artists as diverse as lenny and annie leibovitz , women have been annie leibovitz, women have been a force in the world of the image made of captured light. i have with in the studio now three photographers who have also made their marks and roly poly, not plotnikov and mara late . am i pronouncing exactly ? late. am i pronouncing exactly? yes. welcome to the program , all yes. welcome to the program, all of you . and start with you . of you. and start with you. photograph nature . tell me why. photograph nature. tell me why. what your inspiration is, what catches your eye. neal i

absolutely love nature. i just think it's opportunity to embrace, to engage with nature. i think it's very calming. it's obviously has a restorative effect and we've shown to be heaung effect and we've shown to be healing for and i just love the fact that it's different every time you go out. it's nature is a very big subject . in is almost a very big subject. in is almost everything. it is what do you particularly draws use it animals is it plants? is it landscape ? i love big landscapes landscape? i love big landscapes lived in australia for ten years and i love the fact that they're expensive . you can see for miles expensive. you can see for miles and miles and yet other times you see the detail in a in some frost . i just love the fact that frost. i just love the fact that you can engage, you can connect , and you can be part of this bigger world that we actually have now. i think we should probably look at some photographs. i mean, what image do we that we can cue up do we have that we can cue up right away and consider ? is it right away and consider? is it something from ? and i think the something from? and i think the first got a number of different

ones that i really love new york here we go beautiful beautiful confetti field and it's planted as confetti and you can go you can photograph it you can walk amongst it right. it's stunning. and the colours you can see that it's in of colour all the way through . it is as far as your through. it is as far as your eye can see and you can go and have them and cut them and bring them back home with you and live them. right. i love this photograph. it's a panoramic that's one of my favourites. pauuna that's one of my favourites. paulina professional paulina europe professional photographer i think and you're also judge of photography and i think i'm writing it's flowers you why well again flower photography here it's probably one of my sort of first observatory favourite subjects photography but you might see some images later on i do approach it slightly differently and for example my absolute passion flowers at the last leg of the joint in life. so i, it's

so easy to get carried away you know, amazing blooms but when flowers are past their prime, they still have absolutely amazing well things to share with us visually. i mean , so with us visually. i mean, so i would say that's my passion but have look at the end do we have do we have images of pulling us work ? i think we do. oh, it's work? i think we do. oh, it's that's what you describing here. it's something that is just turning from one thing into something else. and as i said, when all those amazing vibrant colours , petals when it's all colours, petals when it's all gone, we're left with the essence, the flower, all those skeletal lines. there is something well, something very graphical , something well, something very graphical, very visually interesting , completely interesting, completely different. so that's my passion. that's what i'm trying to capture. and there's something there's another one. there's something very, i think, apposite photography . and what apposite photography. and what you're describing, because flowers brief and ephemeral, flowers are brief and ephemeral, exist it's only through exist then it's only through a medium for light photography that you can that you can

capture them before gone forever. and we know the beauty is all this in the eyes of the beholder. so what? they are not beautiful conventionally. they're still absolutely stunning to my eyes . and a model stunning to my eyes. and a model you're, a landscape photographer . what is it that motivate you? what is it that you waiting for that makes you, you know, take shot and drop the shutter? i start it because i love travelling , i love landscape . travelling, i love landscape. but what keeps motivating being is a lot of people don't have access to this amazing places , access to this amazing places, national parks that i go and they in they actually think me well thank you so much for showing me i'll probably never have the opportunity to see those places. and also i it bnngs those places. and also i it brings a sense of more love towards planet that's so it raises issues related to conservation and in taking care of our planet this is what this this what it keeps motivating me. i also does that at yellowstone national park. i love astrophotography a lot . i

love astrophotography a lot. i do photography, but i also do astrobiology . i like space astrobiology. i like space exploration . and so sometimes exploration. and so sometimes i go to national parks at night dunng go to national parks at night during night—time to photograph here is our our galaxy , the core here is our our galaxy, the core of our milky way during summer, summer months racing . this is summer months racing. this is blended during sunrise. so because of my day job i cannot go every weekend every month to national parks. so here in london and. we also have beautiful opportunities and the golden hour is the hour after sunrise or before sunset that really brings out we are where where you that gave you the so there's two hotels that are very close to tower of london and the they have restaurant views or from this sometimes i like book hotels when i go visiting the cities that had a view of the city in his very close to tower of london tube station behind

that effect you got there with the tower of london and the earlier photograph the of the of the galaxy . are you are you are the galaxy. are you are you are you applying technology achieve that effect or are you just looking and forth for for the the tower of london photo. no, it's the camera itself. but but for the astrophotography is a great question because yes, camera have limitations in order for me the settings that i used to capture the galaxy are different settings that i'm going to use to capture the foreground . i could have taken foreground. i could have taken a single photo, but could not probably see the hot spring very well . so i probably see the hot spring very well. so i like to do probably see the hot spring very well . so i like to do different well. so i like to do different settings and then i go because digital photography think you fill out, you can blend and say this is what the cannot show. but what you can see is that a personal party that makes a does it does it does it lean more towards a certain of person or

is that is that a photographer in all of us? i think this photographer in all of this i think if you look there's 54 billion photographs taken every year there's 54,000 taken every second. so we're photographers and the young girl who photographs her food because it's beautiful or your cat or your dog , i it's beautiful or your cat or your dog, i think it's beautiful or your cat or your dog , i think we're all your dog, i think we're all photographers . this this is one photographers. this this is one of my all time favourites . it of my all time favourites. it was an unexpected . you would was an unexpected. you would think it was a washing line. yes we're all photographers in that we see things one way, but actually it's a shop. it's a shopin actually it's a shop. it's a shop in india and it's a shop selling children's clothes . selling children's clothes. okay. and i was so gifted in the precise moment i was standing on the opposite of the road a beautiful, elegantly lady came. i could have had a very inexpensive smartphone because it's about seeing . so for it's about seeing. so for photographers and people , it's photographers and people, it's like, what do you actually see? so i think we can all be i, i, i hear what you're but i have

always felt my, my wife takes far better photographs than i do. you see her in the family? you know, i'll. i'll point my camera phone at the kids and i'll get a shot . camera phone at the kids and i'll get a shot. but when trudie looks at it, she i don't know instinctively frames better. you know she'd be looking at essentially all the same constituent elements but the way she what puts in and what she leaves i look it and go, why is your photograph better than my photograph? because we're both standing in more or less the same place, at the same same place, looking at the same thing. there's thing. there is a there's something would say i'm not something i would say i'm not sure if it's innate. i think this what you see and they this about what you see and they often say it's what you see and what don't see. so some what you don't see. so some people a better eye people may have a better eye than other for composition. you want curves in lines, you don't want curves in lines, you don't want your subject right in of you. actually want to you. you actually want to emulate bit feel main emulate a bit to feel main subject. and some people have more, more for photography. the onusis more, more for photography. the onus is that can be that can be

taught you can learn that as well that's that's to me that's photography that's talking asks to me something about something about the shire and it's about image that's that was real place. let's yeah that was here in england called the car tunnel and. yeah. this is the kind of feedback that i guess what this is the real place and maybe i cannot go there right now . but cannot go there right now. but now you've inspired me to visit england . or maybe i would have england. or maybe i would have the opportunity. but thank you for showing us the corners of , for showing us the corners of, the world. and this this one, a competition . yes, yes, this. competition. yes, yes, this. this one a the uk landscape of the year . and this one a the uk landscape of the year. and it was i cannot believe when i received the call i received a call, a phone call i received a call, a phone call i thought he was funny. i thought he was more about submit you know submit high resolutions or rough files are still deciding, but no, it was he won. i was like , oh yeah, i can i was like, oh yeah, i can believe the so to me polina i'm

very interested in in your psychology and the way you're thinking . you talk about not thinking. you talk about not just being interested in the end. it's a in its bloom that interested in flow. but all the of it. what do you what's that thought through. think about it for me flower portraiture that's how i actually define what i love in this particular subject flower portrait she is a very to portraiture photography you know photographer taking amazing portraits of human beings so surely you always for some kind of unique features you try to find uncover some unique characteristics of model that's what i do with flowers and again going back to the same metaphor surely portraiture photographer would be delighted work with, let's say younger , beautiful let's say younger, beautiful professional model, but senior age model with all the wrinkles on the faces, with all the wins with them in the eyes, they would still be amazing for potential photographer flowers do exactly the for me i think

they are absolutely at every single stage of their life wonderful stuff. i think the range that you've all three of you brought individually to the subject of the photography that we've talking about is just amazing. so i'm going to cover and marry late. thank you. so it's famous even in q. and marry late. thank you. so it's famous even in q . q so it's it's famous even in q. q so it's no after the break, we'll be speaking to this week's great britain's. alex moon is a mother of two who has been living with secondary cancer and is calling on the nhs to do more for with disabilities and her friend laura bannister organised a sponsored walk to pay for alex to get the physical treatment that she needed . on monday . and that she needed. on monday. and tonight from eight till 11 we kick off with the people's hour in which i'll take your video calls on the big topics of the day . plus tomorrow's papers with day. plus tomorrow's papers with full panel reaction. dolan's diary, in which i look back at the week and might take it's head monologue a busy 3 hours

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welcome back to neil oliver live . tomorrow on gb news bring you an exclusive interview with of greater manchester andy burnham gloria de piero ask if he was planning to run as the leader of the labour party . well i'm not the labour party. well i'm not planning to go back. i mean i'm happy where i, where i am and let maybe this is an exclusive for you. i am i will be running for you. i am i will be running for a term as mayor of greater manchester. i love what i'm doing here, i think what we're building here is a big part of the answer to make british politics better and that is more

power in the hands of a place like this. is this place of amazing grace amongst the other people here, the kind of passion that people have got, the identity you, a place that is more . unbelievable more power. it's unbelievable what it do with it. what it can what it do with it. and hopefully we're showing that . you can watch the full on gb news to glorious meets where you'll get a better idea about the person behind the politician . every sunday at 6 pm, my next guest tonight is alex muir, a former teacher from south woodham farris in essex. she's mother of two in 2016. alex phoned she had breast cancer initially treated and given the all clear . this time last year all clear. this time last year she was diagnosed with secondary cancer. she was diagnosed with secondary cancer . alex is joined down the cancer. alex is joined down the line by laura bannister to a walk to raise funds to enable alex to receive much needed physiotherapy as . she recovered physiotherapy as. she recovered from her surgery . good evening from her surgery. good evening to you both . thank you so much

to you both. thank you so much for making time. to you both. thank you so much for making time . alex, tell me for making time. alex, tell me your story . hi for making time. alex, tell me your story. hi yeah. yeah, i was diagnosed with secondary breast cancer this time last year and some found out i couldn't walk . some found out i couldn't walk. do we have signed for. some found out i couldn't walk. do we have signed for . alex? we do we have signed for. alex? we don't. can you hear? yeah oh, right. it's okay, alex carry on and yeah, this time last year, i suddenly walk and ended up in hospital , suddenly walk and ended up in hospital, and i spent five months bedridden . and when months bedridden. and when i came out, i couldn't walk at all. so i've been spending the last five months trying at the last five months trying at the last year trying to walk again. i had six sessions of physio on the nhs, which obviously wasn't anywhere near enough. and so kindly organised a half marathon hike , raise money for me to , hike, raise money for me to, have more physio which cost nearly have more physio which cost nearl y £100 a have more physio which cost nearly £100 a session and she managed to and get nearly 100

people on the half hike last weekend, which amazing . and weekend, which amazing. and there's nearly 10 to 10 and a half thousand actually thousand pounds on the gofundme for me this up to this point so far so that's amazing and i'm really grateful to have brother than as well from construction school and fitness i think that is an extraordinary achievement it's an extraordinary effort but alex was it lockdown that stopped you receiving the care that you needed? would you're a subject of that particular problem that was all over the nation? no it wasn't anything to lockdown. it's the nhs resources you are given succession is it wasn't even straight from hospital. it was it was delayed. so i had to wait . i started having straight wait. i started having straight from hospital with private that we paid for ourselves.

from hospital with private that we paid for ourselves . otherwise we paid for ourselves. otherwise i wouldn't have been able to walk at all and coming home. most hospital. i couldn't even get upstairs. i had to have a bed downstairs to sleep and otherwise i wouldn't have been as come home at all. laura, how did it feel watching alex know as a friend of yours of some long standing, how did it feel? watching her you're going through this ? well alex actually through this? well alex actually was a member of my online fitness membership . yep. so fitness membership. yep. so that's how i got to know alex more. and it was when she had to leave. and for obvious reasons. and then i checked in with her. i kind of after some time . and i kind of after some time. and then she told me everything that she had been. and i just i just couldn't believe how she'd gone from being as such a supportive member on the membership and being so eager to safe and to how she was and like a year later, it was quiet and it was it was unreal. and was really

upsetting to say . and so how did upsetting to say. and so how did you come up with the was the fundraise ing effort that you did? what was inspiration there 7 did? what was inspiration there ? so i spoke to alex the end of last year. it was just before christmas. i said she told me everything that was going on and i said on the fact that she needs physio and i said, leave it with me. i'll speak my brother. and so i've got an onune brother. and so i've got an online fitness membership and my runs, construction sport , which runs, construction sport, which is his own charity , and he often is his own charity, and he often runs big hikes. is his own charity, and he often runs big hikes . and so and runs big hikes. and so and i often join him and i said to him , we need to pull something together for one of my previous members, he's poorly he was out yet when are we doing it? i said january, just do it. when everyone's motivated so we can get a real good crowd together. and so i put a video out at the beginning of january just like showing alex in all of her ilk base stuff and getting out there and all of us steps in and to how she is today and a part of

her journey which was a touching video . and we within the space video. and we within the space of about 1012 to 14 days we pulled in over of about 1012 to 14 days we pulled in ove r £10,000, but also pulled in over £10,000, but also had almost 100 people hike half marathon across the countryside in very muddy, wet, rainy conditions on saturday. so was great. and i thought so many people would pull out because they condition but we will that's alex last week and it was amazing now alex laura it's an inspirational story know to hear about people who just get together and do what needs to be done , you know, for a fellow done, you know, for a fellow traveller, but it shouldn't be like this, should it you know? and what we what does the nhs have to do, how does it have to change such that it becomes better able to provide the kind of help that you need . well, to of help that you need. well, to be honest , i of help that you need. well, to be honest, i was of help that you need. well, to be honest , i was shocked that be honest, i was shocked that alex only was allowed six sessions of physio after

everything that she'd been through. now i think the nhs are amazing and i think they do a fantastic job, but i think that something definitely needs to be looked at when someone in alex's position is still alive pay the taxes, whatever is being given six sessions of physio to be able to walk again . so something able to walk again. so something definitely needs looking at alex. alex does does the physio help ? i mean do you get a real help? i mean do you get a real you positive effect from it ? you positive effect from it? definitely, yeah. so all the sessions i have are an hour long with my and with my private physio. and then also i go to filey hospice and they have a gym that i can access and they really help me as well. but obviously the nhs from was about 15 minutes long, so it wasn't very helpful to it just seems , very helpful to it just seems, just seems extraordinary to me that something as you see that someone like you that you only get these these this number of

physio sessions when really you should you should be treated until the until the desired effect has been achieved and that people all over the country are just in that same predicament just being given this number of sessions , then this number of sessions, then that's it. and if you're, if you're not better or if you haven't reached a goal you're left own devices . yeah that's left own devices. yeah that's that's the way it is. and my oncologist also agreed that i would be someone that she would expect to have physio the rest of my life . yeah yeah. and laura of my life. yeah yeah. and laura tell me about the event on the day, you know, what was there what was the atmosphere like as you were as you see dreadful conditions? how are people facing up to it and yeah, i think even despite the conditions, everyone we were there for a reason and we was there for a reason and we was there to raise money for alex. so the and the night before i also had asked alex, i said, can you just list some things that you've been through in the past? and i'm going let the and i'm just going to let the people we had a whatsapp group

that everybody and i said, i'm going everyone going to let everyone what you've been through because i don't people to don't want people starting to think they're going to pull think that they're going to pull out just because of a bit of mud and bit of rain. and so put and a bit of rain. and so put that to the team. and it was that out to the team. and it was really and. everyone really touching and. everyone will there. so the morning will be there. so the morning and we started it was pitch black. i mean, just black. i mean, there was just a peak to come up there. it literally black. we literally was pitch black. we had and we went up had head torches and we went up something is a hill something hill, which is a hill local to where we live and yes, it up. there was was it was taken up. there was was slipping. i thought we had a few people land on their bums. i mean the mud was just unreal. the models sticking boots the models sticking to our boots whether or whether it was trainers or hiking and we were hiking boots and we were carrying probably an extra stone on the bottom our feet at on the bottom of our feet at times, especially on hill times, especially on the hill that yeah, it that is showing. and yeah, it was windy , rainy. but you know was windy, rainy. but you know what, you've a network of what, when you've a network of people around you and you're supported by people just going for hike , you get through it. for a hike, you get through it. it was tough people have been aching blisters since , aching and got blisters since, but compared to but it's nothing compared to alex is going through alex and

laura, this is a moment in the show where we try and turn our attention on people who are whatever extreme , whatever whatever extreme, whatever challenges of going this still they still find the find the time and they find a ability to do something for others . and do something for others. and alex, you're an inspiration for the way that you've just stoically faced up to the situation in which you find yourself and laura for pitching in and organising that and gathering those people together . you very much qualify to be regarded as great britain's in eyes and also thank you again for making time for us this evening. lots of love to you both. thank you so . thank you . both. thank you so. thank you. it's another break after which we'll be hearing all about the amazing story of how to mariners found the wreck of the ss pacific , which sank in 1875 off pacific, which sank in 1875 off the coast of , north america .

welcome to neil. all of our life . my next story is the stuff of nightmares and also of dreams. nearly 150 years ago, the pacific was sailing in the far north pacific ocean , loaded with north pacific ocean, loaded with dry goods, coal horses, opium and 4000 ounces of gold . in and 4000 ounces of gold. in november 1875, she was lost in heavy seas. the worst maritime disaster in the north pacific ocean, costing the lives of 300 people on board. now a team believes they have found the wreck and are going in search of the lost treasure. millions of dollars worth of gold . jeff dollars worth of gold. jeff hummel, president of the northwest shipwreck alliance and the man behind the search joins me now from the rv c blazer in seattle . good evening to you . seattle. good evening to you. thank you for joining seattle. good evening to you. thank you forjoining us. thank you for joining us. i think our technology is working. medicals tell me about the search, how you found the

specific . well, it's a rather specific. well, it's a rather long tale of how we discovered the ship. part of it was through and technology. part of it was through our archival research. and part of was tracking down the story of some fishermen who had picked up some coal in their nets. and so we were able to analyse the coal and prove that it came from the ship. and we tracked down very carefully the location of that coal by getting the logbook of the vessel that had found it and that sort of thing . and eventually those thing. and eventually those three things combined led to us finding the ship . in the ship finding the ship. in the ship from some call and fisherman's nets. what process do you go through there ? well, the through there? well, the fishermen drag their nets on the bottom and just by chance , this bottom and just by chance, this one particular commercial fisherman happened to save a piece of the coal that he had found. we had a chemically analysed by a lab up in and it

matched the chemical signature of a coal mine owned by the owners of the ship . that is owners of the ship. that is extra that that was even possible . what depth is the possible. what depth is the pacific lying . in. we never tell pacific lying. in. we never tell anyone the exact depth . it's anyone the exact depth. it's kind of a trade secret, but the it's between 307 hundred metres . and how will you go about the business of actually getting to her and doing you know, conducting the search . hands on. conducting the search. hands on. what will you do ? well, we're we what will you do? well, we're we will be using underwater robotic equipment. i used to work for a company called hydra vision, which is based in scotland and, i know a little bit about working with underwater robotics equipment . working with underwater robotics equipment. so we will use underwater robotics equipment this season next. season, we're

going to build a rather large gantry system to excavate the main part of the wreck. we feel like it's the only way to have the right tools to actually, you know, dig into the ship . and how know, dig into the ship. and how how is it that after of this time, 150 years, that you'll be able to a and isolate . the well, able to a and isolate. the well, the gold was being shipped in a strongroom which opened the door and so a reinforced room was on the main deck that was for the shipment of cargo. the ship took place, as you noted, in 1875. and so guess 25 years later. but the ships still that strong room in it. and believe that the cargo was being shipped is in that strong room . and it's also, that strong room. and it's also, i think, you know, we can't the fact that 300 people or perhaps more lost the lives , there's

more lost the lives, there's such a tragic aspect to the story woven through and around its being treasure ship. now . so its being treasure ship. now. so there is precious cargo on it, but the real treasures are going to be the other artefacts that we find. so we believe that we'll find, you know, bottles of wine with the corks still, and then we'll find items made of leather, made cloth . you leather, items made cloth. you know, the state of preservation of the wreck is really remarkable . and those will be remarkable. and those will be displayed in a museum. so there's two parts of it. there's a commercial aspect of it. we're recovering the cargo for the underwriters who are actually, based in london . and then based in london. and then there's the museum part of it and all of the artefacts , and all of the artefacts, cultural resources, personal, all of those will end up in a museum here locally . a wonderful museum here locally. a wonderful story. jeff hummel of life and death and the prospect of gold at the end of it all. thank you so much for bringing that to us. evening. thank you, jeff . thank

evening. thank you, jeff. thank you for having me . thank you. you for having me. thank you. what do you think , jacob? what do you think, jacob? treasure lost sea. inspired by the thought . i think it's the thought. i think it's fantastic. and i think it's especially encouraging. what he noted about , the fact that it noted about, the fact that it sounds like it's going to be a financial that is financed the gold but the real kind of common that we get in the public is an insight into what life is like at moment and the artefacts at that moment and the artefacts and the stuff and hopefully people better in the museum get a of what life would have a sense of what life would have been those of. been like on those kind of. and i think great that there's i think it's great that there's an for those unlucky an opportunity for those unlucky on to on the rises in london to they'll get their but we the pubuc they'll get their but we the public as it were kind of get the real treasure. yeah. would the real treasure. yeah. i would love the that love know the stories that i with many people went down with so many people went down with so many people went down with it so you know that's a lot of people stories to hear about. yeah it gives you it's that other side of the california gold you you you gold rush you know you don't you don't you think of don't really think you think of it just finding the gold it people just finding the gold and the lives and that's it. yeah the lives are the rich. but there's are made the rich. but there's a whole aftershock story about what the gold what happened, where the gold goes. know, there must goes. and, you know, there must have more one instance

have been more than one instance like this and that it does make me because, you know, gold me think because, you know, gold is investment is a very is as an investment is a very interesting at the interesting subject at the moment the things moment. and one of the things that gold being really, that keeps gold being really, really valuable is its the lack of it is supply. but you do wonder you know how many of these these ships all around the world, right. you know, gold bars , 4000 ounces of gold. mean bars, 4000 ounces of gold. mean that is, i think the figure in question was $7 million. yeah these prices probably here . these prices probably here. yeah. and i mean, no wonder. no wonder these guys you know roaming roaming the planet, you know, looking for these things. yes. see the world world's yes. you see the world world's oceans, the world's deserts must be littered. just think be littered. i could just think this is also a real testament to the human in the way that they're to piece together they're able to piece together kind technical elements. kind of technical elements. the science elements, then science ific elements, and then they're to build various they're going to build various robots get that robots to get down. that was great story for scotland of great britain well as is great britain as well as is world of robotics world leading kind of robotics lab identified identified lab there identified identified by yes no by bit of cool yes no astonishing but so from me and neil all over life thanks as always to my wonderful panel,

jasmine bortles and jacob reynolds. thanks with reynolds. thanks for being with me. it's brilliant. me. next up, it's brilliant. mark tonight . me. next up, it's brilliant. mark tonight. good mark dolan tonight. good evening. welcome the latest weather update from the met office. i'm jonathan vaught. three we're going to make sure freezing fog and health to deal with on sunday depending on where you live in the northwest , the southeast the , the southeast for the northwest is frontal systems that were pushing way into that were pushing their way into providing unsettled periods providing more unsettled periods , pressure stretching , but high pressure stretching from scandinavia down into southeast england . keep things southeast england. keep things on calmer here . on a calmer note here. underneath the clearing skies, we see, a frost will develop quite widely once again tonight and of freezing fog and return of freezing fog patches. these could be quite dense locations. so just take dense in locations. so just take care if you are out when travelling a more persistent band of rain than pushing into northern ireland and scotland. so we're remaining a fairly damp night here, but also mild one. night here, but also a mild one. temperatures up around temperatures holding up around 7 to 9 degrees as move sunday. to 9 degrees as we move sunday. that of rain will shift that bundle of rain will shift its eastwards and the cloud its way eastwards and the cloud will gradually into western will gradually push into western areas england and wales. areas of england and wales.

well, freezing because well, it's the freezing because eventually into the eventually clear into the afternoon the southeast afternoon across the southeast we will see some brighter skies develop as well but it is develop here as well but it is going to fairly cold going to remain fairly cold around three or four degrees in cities here much milder towards the northwest where we've got the northwest where we've got the lowering cloud the hill the lowering cloud and the hill fog highs of nine or ten degrees across the northern western isles into sunday evening. it is a relatively picture. the main difference will be now that we've got the cloud across western areas, england and wales, is reduced of wales, there is a reduced of frost whereas in the frost here, whereas in the southeast where we hold to on clearing skies, temperatures will be falling away once again down minus six, minus seven down to minus six, minus seven degrees and then most prone rural spots. so it will be a frosty start to the new working week in the southeast. but again, it will be a one. some sunny spells coming through dunng sunny spells coming through during the day . areas of rain during the day. areas of rain and drizzle continuing in the northwest. perhaps the odd brighter spell compared to monday itself, but it is going to be another day into . the new to be another day into. the new working week. that cloud is

gradually going to shift its way southwards along with the milder air. but it could just take a little while towards wednesday. good evening .

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