hello and welcome is calvin's common sense crusade on your tv onune common sense crusade on your tv online and on your wireless. today we will be discussing the church of england's refusal to redefine marriage to accommodate same sex relationships . the case

same sex relationships. the case of a man who was for allegedly being in breach of a public space protection order by praying to abortion clinic and should converge on therapy for trans people. people but first, it's the news with . aaron it's the news with. aaron armstrong . and it's a minute armstrong. and it's a minute past three. i married armstrong . the gb newsroom a manhunt is underway in california after. at least ten people were killed in a shooting at a lunar new year festival . a warning the festival. a warning the following contains flashing images. thousands of people had gathered at monterey park near los angeles when a gunman opened fire. at least ten other people have been injured, some of whom are in a critical condition . are in a critical condition. police are looking for male suspect who fled the scene . they suspect who fled the scene. they say it's too early to determine his motive . neighbours calling his motive. neighbours calling for an urgent investigation into claims. the chairman of the bbc , richard sharp, helped boris

johnson arrange alone weeks before the then prime minister recommended shock for the job. the sunday times claims mr. shaw helped a boss, boris johnson, secure a guarantor for a loan of up to £800,000 when he was in financial difficulty in late 2020. sharp was then announced as the government's choice for the bbc position in january 21. both men say there was no conflict of interest , but both men say there was no conflict of interest, but labour and the snp have called an independent inquiry. and the snp have called an independent inquiry . know independent inquiry. know meanwhile, a cabinet ministers told gb news zahawi has the prime minister's support following allegations about his tax affairs. the conservative chairman's admitted he reached settlement with hmrc , believed settlement with hmrc, believed to be almost settlement with hmrc, believed to be almost £5 million following an error over a shareholding sale in the polling company yougov . labour has company yougov. labour has called his position , but the called his position, but the foreign secretary cleverly says he believes zahawi has paid his taxes . i don't know any details

taxes. i don't know any details than what he has already in the pubuc than what he has already in the public domain. i don't think it would be right or proper for me to just speculate or guess about any further details about his tax affairs. but he has been a successful entrepreneur building a company which has paid tax, employing people , pay taxes, and employing people, pay taxes, and he has paid tax and a considerable amount because he's been successful . the government been successful. the government says energy firms should stop forcing lower income households to switch to metres. the business grant shapps has threatened name and shame energy suppliers aren't doing enough to help vulnerable people pay their bills. the energy companies have also been asked by mr. shapps reveal the number of warrant they've made to enter properties . european countries are putting renewed pressure on germany to authorise the supply of its tanks to ukraine. several countries want to send their german made leopard tanks, but they need berlin to give it the green light . latvia, estonia and green light. latvia, estonia and

lithuania say germany as a leading power, has a special responsible party in restoring peace on the continent . berlin, peace on the continent. berlin, though, insists it's not blocking deliveries and has yet to make a decision about supplying its tanks . ukraine supplying its tanks. ukraine u.s. investigators have found more documents during a 13 hour search of president joe biden's home in delaware . some were from home in delaware. some were from biden's time as a senator. others from when he served as vice president barack obama. they're the latest in a series of classified documents known to have been found in his possession . former president possession. former president donald trump is facing a criminal investigation over handung criminal investigation over handling of sensitive documents documents . at least 300 migrants documents. at least 300 migrants have arrived in the uk on eight small boats overnight, making it the busiest day of channel this year. the busiest day of channel this year . gb news the busiest day of channel this year. gb news understands several boats also set off earlier today, but haven't yet it to the uk, where boats are monitored by french naval vessels which only intervene if

the migrants get into difficulties. today's arrivals bfing difficulties. today's arrivals bring the total number of those crossing channel this year to 450. scottish environment minister says the of dogs to hunt and kill wild has no place in modern. barry mclean's comments come ahead of next week's vote on new hunting with dogs. bill since 2002. it's been against the law to hunt a wild animal with dog. the new bill is expected to close loopholes in. current laws, a buckingham palace has revealed the queen will be crowned alongside the king a break with tradition at the coronation. may. the ceremony will conducted by the archbishop of canterbury at westminster abbey. a concert will be held at windsor the following day, featuring what the palace have described as global icons. thousands of events expected to take place across the country with a bank houday across the country with a bank holiday declared for monday, the eighth. for the moment, holiday declared for monday, the eighth. for the moment , this is eighth. for the moment, this is gb news. we will bring you more

as it happens . now it's back to as it happens. now it's back to carbon . carbon. hello and welcome . the common hello and welcome. the common sense crusade with me , reverend sense crusade with me, reverend calvin robinson. what's coming up this afternoon .7 the church of up this afternoon? the church of england says it's sorry for its past treatment of lgbt people. this week , but said it would this week, but said it would continue its practise not allowing same sex marriages in church. but new proposals would allow individual clergy to offer blessings in churches following a civil marriage or partnership . but the archbishop of canterbury justin welby has said he personally would not bless same sex couples. what do you think? please send us in your thoughts . then an army veteran thoughts. then an army veteran has been fined for silently praying outside an abortion facility in bournemouth in breach of a public spaces

protection order, or spoke . we protection order, or spoke. we will discuss this and then later on.the will discuss this and then later on. the equalities minister coming badenoch has set out her concerns over a proposed legislation surrounding the banning of conversion . a source banning of conversion. a source close to mrs. padlock said the area of gender is much more complex than sexual orientation . we have said we will not in criminalise parents who are trying to support children and of course can join in any of our discussions by emailing gb views at gbnews.uk or by tweeting at gb news. dassault . gb news. dassault. one of the very first topics we opened with on my common sense crusade was the world economic forum. i did an explainer video about the wef , which you can about the wef, which you can find on the gb news. over 2 million people across several

platforms watched my rundown of the ngos annual meeting in davos. one of the taglines is build back better. i posed question. build back better whom? the wef annual meeting 2023 took place this week in davos, switzerland . and in the davos, switzerland. and in the name of journalism, i figured i should fly into the belly of the beast and see what i could find out first hand. what a gorgeous town and an absolutely marvellous country. the snowy hills , the swiss chocolates and hills, the swiss chocolates and the incredibly polite people. i can see why global elite chooses to hold their get togethers in davos. then tire town is taken over by the wef practically . over by the wef practically. every shop on the promenade is branded with the logo of a multinational global company. big business. big tech , finance. big business. big tech, finance. they are all at it . and where they are all at it. and where there is where there isn't any space to take over a retail unit, just bang one up. shopfronts are fabricated for the weak and then torn down. after the conference is over. i'm not sure how sustainable that is, but i saw millionaires

and billionaire years flying in on their private jets before taking helicopter to the taking a helicopter to the conference location . so much for conference location. so much for cutting carbon footprints . well. cutting carbon footprints. well. from the people i spoke to on the ground, there seemed to be no remorse sense of self—awareness over any of this hypocrisy. they simply it's offset the work that they're offset by the work that they're doing there. the knights of the labour party were in attendance . sir keir starmer and sir tony blair and elements from the conservatives to kemi badenoch and zac goldsmith were on the attendee list. i even managed to get a few key questions to greta thunberg, which we'll show you later in the show. more interesting me than who was there is who there bill gates george soros when no shows this yeah george soros when no shows this year. as was our prime minister rishi sunak. klaus schwab did show up late skipping the opening . could it be the tide is opening. could it be the tide is turning and that the global elites are being scared off because the press attention this eventis because the press attention this event is now garnering the likes of gb news. i think we're lifting the veil. the veil ? the

lifting the veil. the veil? the shadowy cabal of the global . it shadowy cabal of the global. it should be noted gb news didn't send anyone out to cover the wef annual meeting . i went out to annual meeting. i went out to davos with the rebel news guys in a personal capacity and my expenses were crowdfunded . we've expenses were crowdfunded. we've got some more davos covering davos coverage rather up later in the show. so do stay tuned for. the archbishop of canterbury has said he won't bless same sex couples who are civilly married. but the archbishop york said he will after this week. but the church of england will not allow same sex marriages in its churches. bishops have proposed allowing same sex couples who are civilly married to be blessed in church. the church of england has also issued a formal apology to members of the clergy community. joining me now is emeritus professor of theology and religious studies nottingham

university, john milbank and author and broadcaster rebecca reid. thank both forjoining me this sunday. john, we'll start with you, if you don't mind. do think the church of england bishops have made the right decision here? i think it's possible that they're moving towards a sensible compromise which would be blessing gay relationships in. but recognising that they something different from marriage . what different from marriage. what i suppose the moment is unclear is whether that edging towards same sex marriage by putting a kind of sacral rubber stamp on civil marriage . so i think it's very marriage. so i think it's very important they try to develop a theological account of why same friendships however erotically express physically are valuable

in their own right. and i think what most troubles me at the moment, a lack of a theology around any of this any theology what marriage is and theology of what marriage is and theology of what sacral friendships might mean. and there are precedents for that . it hasn't just been for that. it hasn't just been invented . and rebecca, people invented. and rebecca, people won't like this decision, but the church of england has had to make a decision one way or the other. if it's going to continue to stand for what it stands for and be relevant. i mean, i think one of the great things historically , the church of historically, the church of england was that individual will vicars a choice about what vicars had a choice about what they wouldn't they would and wouldn't tolerate and in their and what was right in their parish. parishioners parish. and parishioners a choice where to go. and choice about where to go. and lots of where i grew up lots of people where i grew up would go somewhere months would go to somewhere months down rather than 5 down the road rather than 5 minutes because minutes up the road, because they theologically they felt more theologically augned they felt more theologically aligned with person in charge of that and i think that parish. and i think in terms of marriage, know, terms of marriage, you know, it's always perfectly it's always worked perfectly well it's

well with divorce. it's individual choice, whether vicar will will not couple. and so will or will not couple. and so i think trying to centralise everything and make everything one unilateral decision really takes the fact this isn't takes the fact that this isn't like the post office or the nhs . these are about individual relationships, not sort of generalised bureaucracy . the generalised bureaucracy. the okay. john, i'll come to you because many argue that if the church of england is to attract more young people, it should allow same sex marriages to be conducted in church because young people tend to be more liberally minded and in favour of gay marriage. what is your response that . my response, response to that. my response, yes, please john. yes sorry. well i simply don't think that this kind of sort of pandering to popular opinion works . i to popular opinion works. i think most young people are simply not interested in religion or the church at all. and i think the kind of young people are more likely to be

interested are increasingly people who are counter—cultural who are resistant to secular thinking things seriously and, theologically, for themselves . theologically, for themselves. so i think that kind of is just incredibly short sighted and all too likely to backfire . and too likely to backfire. and looking at the theology behind this, the church is quoting one, john, saying, god is love but forgetting the rest of the passage . love to god being passage. love to god being committing to god and conforming to god in his love. where do you stand on that ? well, i think stand on that? well, i think love is not expressed in marriage. i think marriage a particularly acute and paradigmatic form of love. but i think it's tied to certain physical realities . the human physical realities. the human race is divided , male and race is divided, male and female, that they are naturally fitted for a full sexual

relationship, that men and, women coming together somehow the unity of humanity and are able to be how babies to be procreative . now that doesn't procreative. now that doesn't mean that there aren't other forms of loving relationship that are creative , a different that are creative, a different kind of way and have their own special gifts to offer, including same sex relations. the point love is that it's incredibly varied. it's the amazing , varied thing that the amazing, varied thing that the possibility is and we don't need to set up hierarchies yet. but i think we do to recognise and are gets away from the facts because i think if we do that we land by covertly denigrating the importance of heterosexual marriage relationships and that absolute certainty policy for society and the perpetual motion

of the human race. i'll come back to you on john, because i do want to address that hierarchy, love. but rebecca, is this the problem ? we confusing this the problem? we confusing love and marriage because there are two very different things. surely for the surely marriage is for the purposes and of purposes of procreate and of family, community something family, of community something very, very different to love. that often includes love . well that often includes love. well not sure, because there are so many different kinds of marriage and so many different kinds of love. and it makes difference. when you get married in the church, you're not you're not told that to have told that you have to have children you'll still have a perfectly marriage. perfectly legitimate marriage. you have children you choose not to have children or of you is or indeed, if one of you is unable have children, plenty unable to have children, plenty of know about their of women i know know about their fertility get fertility before they get married wouldn't to married and wouldn't expect to be told they couldn't marry in the church were able the church if they were not able to baby. it all seems to to have a baby. it all seems to be disagreeable in the idea that only and women only men and women are appropriately equipped to have sexual relationship with each other and attest other as a bisexual and attest that is perfectly possible that it is perfectly possible for women to have sex and for two women to have sex and indeed didn't have sex. so i think the idea we are unable to is true. i suppose the

is not true. i suppose the question is for you. what does marriage mean? and i sense for you it's a man and a woman getting married so that they can a family and create a community. for me, it was about having a big think probably feeling big and i think probably feeling it the appropriate to it was the appropriate way to raise some other raise children for some other people you know a people is, you know a for a stage period of their life may not married forever. marriage not be married forever. marriage means different to different people. the church, people. but but to the church, it's clear marriage it's very clear what marriage means. purposes of means. it's for the purposes of procreation. are told procreation. and you are told when married forth when you get married to go forth and are told to have and you are told to have children and to not use contraception and for any time children, refuse to children, they don't refuse to marry. you're infertile, if marry. if you're infertile, if you do those things. that's my daughter , rebecca. some people daughter, rebecca. some people aren't able have children . aren't able to have children. and serious. that's and that's very serious. that's that's different to that's completely different to people choosing not have people choosing not to have children choosing to not to children or choosing to not to get married 65 year olds, get married to 65 year olds, allowed get the church . why allowed to get the church. why are you why would 265 year olds be allowed to get married in the church. they're not going to have any babies. well that's a good point. you haven't read the

bible. exactly. but you probably it seems you don't like the bible. who who? well, the bible is not going to assume that marriage supposed to be open to the possibility of children, including the right way in which why very old. because because they're still open to the possibility that i think that's 70 year old. you think that when prince and camilla got married, there was a chance were going to have a baby? yes, that's possible. you missed three menopausal children in of a but older people have always been allowed to get married. there's always been the idea that a marriage be in principle open to having children so that means if you can have children because your biological your old pregnancy it's not an expectant if you are not fitted. but this is this is all the way back to a quietness. this is down the church fathers. this is the catechism of the catholic church. this is in the prayer

book of the anglican church that there for there are several reasons for marriage and a marriage within the church is a metrosexual and monogamous see why monogamous and i don't see why people trying to change people are trying to change that in catch up with social in order to catch up with social norms. john, going to norms. but, john, i'm going to come what you said about come back to what you said about the hierarchy of love because surely love if it's in surely it's only love if it's in god's if goes against god's and if it goes against god's and if it goes against god's , it's love of the world god's, it's love of the world and love god. and there are and not love god. and there are two different types of love, right? well all love. i is within god's and historical and historical terms. i relatively liberal. i think that we should accept some people are all homosexuals. some people are bisexual, and we accept that homosexual people have . that can homosexual people have. that can be a kind sexual friendship and we shouldn't try to lay down norms about how that's physically expressed . i think physically expressed. i think that to pretend that's full sex

is not what hatred people do is simply to get from the evident facts of life in an incredibly sort of prudish way. it's clear that the complete sexual act that the complete sexual act thatis that the complete sexual act that is also procreative is only possible between a man and woman. and i think that part of the problem is suppose you saying that there is full sex behind outside that. i think if we got away from that idea, we would simply say that we shouldn't be so bothered about the physical expression of homosexual relationships and that it's valid. okay. i'm phillip. we made significance for and i'm going have to wrap there, john. unfortunately but i think we need to return back to the bible on that one. but thank you very much. that was emeritus professor of theology at nottingham university author nottingham university and author and rebecca reed. and broadcaster rebecca reed. thank for your time

thank you both for your time today. speaking the church's decision earlier week , decision earlier this week, archbishop of canterbury said i'm under no illusions that what we are proposing today will appear to go too far for some and not nearly enough for others . but it is my hope that what we have agreed will be received in a spirit of generosity , seeking a spirit of generosity, seeking the common good. most all. i hopeit the common good. most all. i hope it can offer a way for the church of england publicly and unequivocally to say all christians, and especially lgbt you, i plus people that you are welcome, welcomed and valued and precious part of the body of christ . that explaining his christ. that explaining his decision to not bless civilly married same sex couples. he said , i have a pastoral said, i have a pastoral responsibility for the whole anglican communion . while i will anglican communion. while i will be extremely joyfully celebrating new resources, i will not personally use them in order not to compromise that pastoral care . plenty more to pastoral care. plenty more to come this afternoon on my common sense crusade after break then. an army veteran has fined for

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channel well, come back to the common sense crusade with me, calvin robinson on your tv online , on robinson on your tv online, on your wireless. now an army veteran has been fined for silently praying outside an abortion facility in bournemouth in breach of a public spaces protection order or spoke. adam smith, connor was standing on a pubuc smith, connor was standing on a public street where the pspo is in place and many have implemented as. in place and many have implemented as . around abortion implemented as. around abortion facilities with the stated aim of stopping women being harassed. here is a clip . smith harassed. here is a clip. smith connor's interaction with the community safety accredited officers . i'm praying for my son officers. i'm praying for my son to cease. that's the ultimately to cease. that's the ultimately to the domestic right to say that we are in the police. that's the law that you're in breach. it says about trent and those who and is i'm i'm just

standing praying and studying adf uk, a faith based legal advocacy is supporting smith connorin advocacy is supporting smith connor in challenging the fine . connor in challenging the fine. i'm now joined by ryan christopher, who is the director of adf . and scott, it's maguire, of adf. and scott, it's maguire, the labour adviser and writer . the labour adviser and writer. mr. smith connor could have the paper prior to breaching, but as we understand it, he did not. how do you respond to that? ryan i wouldn't characterise what adam did on that day is as being a protest. that's how he describes it himself and i think should take his words seriously and his intentions as describes them seriously . adam went to them seriously. adam went to a place of real deep significance for himself and he stood there silently on his arm, not bothering anyone , not bothering anyone, not approaching anyone , not talking approaching anyone, not talking to anyone , not announcing it, to anyone, not announcing it, and silently prayed in his own mind for his deceased . that's mind for his deceased. that's all that adam . adam served in

all that adam. adam served in our armed forces for 20 years. defend me often . mental freedoms defend me often. mental freedoms and he now finds himself facing fine from his local council because he prayed for his own son in the privacy , his own head son in the privacy, his own head and so this wasn't about adam . and so this wasn't about adam. some some ground scheme although the scheme is unjust and arbitrary and anti—democratic and illiberal . ultimately, he and illiberal. ultimately, he was just there to pray for his son on day. he broke the law by his . to me son on day. he broke the law by his. to me that's absolute lutely arguable and aiden doesn't believe he did in break the law by his actions he doesn't believe that it was possible to the law by praying in his own mind. so the council officers interpreted that differently and adam isn't going to accept the fine for what he believes is absolutely reasonable and call it prayer is not proximate you know it's not necessary to pray in that place so a judge would likely that the

abuse struck the right balance between the right to protest and the right of individuals to lawful access abortion centres without harassing or intimidation. how would respond to that? yeah, i mean, i think it's important to say that buffer zones were set up around abortion clinics because if the women going, they're being harassed just right. and so he might not have been harassing anybody. he was certainly in the buffer . now, i do anybody. he was certainly in the buffer. now, i do find it quite difficult that this is a man who paid for abortion. he had no idea whether it was a boy or a girl. he talks about it being his son. right it was i mean, you can't tell. so this is a man who did it and who now it obviously repents. i do not. why he has to stand outside. and it's not only that particular facility, he stands outside . he facility, he stands outside. he said that he stood outside. others so i think we have to understand that the buffer zones

were put in place because of the harassment of women going in to have abortions by people who felt they were wrong and what they were doing with it is an absolutely lawful procedure. and the people who were harassing them were wrong . right. but was them were wrong. right. but was this harassment or was overreach? well, it's a zone. and the buffer zone , i mean, and the buffer zone, i mean, it's the thin end of the wedge, isn't it? so you have him and he's and then he turns round and he's and then he turns round and he's and then he turns round and he's and he's not so subtle . so he's and he's not so subtle. so what you. what, what the councils have said and that's a number in britain is there is a buffer zone and nobody goes in that buffer zone , only the women that buffer zone, only the women can walk it. how these buffer zones not faultless we think they are thought crime and the uk if it is established are in fact the peo and we'll see about that. and these are the first thought crimes that we have in the uk as far as i'm aware of and will really rarefied

territory as a society or as a state if we are in fact enforcing thought crimes, the population . i used to be the population. i used to be the secretary for the parliamentary group on north korea and that's the only country i'm aware of that has ever done anything remotely similar to this. with regards to moving people on who are quietly something in the wrong mind because it might look like all cover. more on like pressure all cover. more on this story as it progresses. thank very much, ryan christopher, director uk christopher, director at edf uk and scarlett maguire , labour and scarlett maguire, labour advisor writer . we reached advisor and writer. we reached out to bournemouth , christchurch out to bournemouth, christchurch and poole council where the pspo is in place for a comment, but they are yet to respond . you are they are yet to respond. you are with gb news on tv, radio and onune with gb news on tv, radio and online and the break the equalities minister has set out her concerns over proposed legislation , the banning of legislation, the banning of conversion . a source close to conversion. a source close to mrs. said the area of gender identity is much more complex than sexual orientation. we have still said. we have said we will not inadvertently criminalise

parents who are trying to support children. now it's time a check on those news headlines with karen . it's just after 3:30 with karen. it's just after 3:30 am and i'm strolling the gb newsroom. the suspect is on the run in california after a shooting in which at least ten people have been killed. emergency services have been responding to an incident in monterey park, los angeles, where of people had where thousands of people had gathered for a lunar new year festival. another ten people have been taken to hospital to be treated for injuries , at be treated for injuries, at least one of whom is in a critical condition. it is the fifth mass shooting in the united states this month . united states this month. labour's called a parliamentary inquiry into allegations as the chairman of the bbc helped boris johnson arrange an £800,000 loan. the former prime minister later recommended richard sharpe the role at the broadcaster. mr. sharpe insists there was no conflict of interest, while a spokesperson for the former

prime minister has dismissed report as rubbish, he has in ukraine today at the invitation of volodymyr zelenskyy. meanwhile, a cabinet ministers told gb news zahawi has the prime minister's support following allegations about his tax affairs. the conservative party chairman is under pressure over claims tried to avoid tax and to pay it back in a multi—million pound settlement with hmrc . labour has called its with hmrc. labour has called its position untenable , but the position untenable, but the foreign secretary james cleverly says he believes mr. zahawi has paid taxes. i know any more details of what has already put in the public domain. i don't. it would be right or proper for me to just to speculate or guess about any further details about his tax affairs. but he has been a successful entrepreneur building a company which has paid tax employing people who have paid taxes. paid tax employing people who have paid taxes . and he has have paid taxes. and he has himself played tax a considerable amount . he's been considerable amount. he's been successful . tv online and dab successful. tv online and dab plus radio. this is gb news, but

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welcome back to common sense crusade with me. the calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless . a tory mp and on your wireless. a tory mp and former minister has said a majority conservative mps have serious about the government's proposed ban on transgender conversion . tim lofton said conversion. tim lofton said a majority certainly have got some serious worries about this. he added it is not a political divide . people who have women's divide. people who have women's rights at the heart and people who have children's welfare at heart . early this week, michelle heart. early this week, michelle donlon, the culture secretary, announced government's plans to pubush announced government's plans to publish shortly a draft banning

gay and transgender conversion therapy . to discuss this, gay and transgender conversion therapy. to discuss this, i'm joined by political commentator conor tomlinson . and still with conor tomlinson. and still with us is former labour adviser and writer scott maguire . my token writer scott maguire. my token leftie for today, scott . connor, leftie for today, scott. connor, do you think kemi badenoch is right to seek balance between protecting trans people and defending rights of parents to express their concerns? oh, absolutely. i think also we need to the types to distinguish the types of so—called conversion therapy, because all talk about because we all talk about sexuality conversion therapy , i sexuality conversion therapy, i don't should be don't think we should be criminalising conversations at all. then people are making all. but then people are making the of, well some people the case of, well some people may be born to same sex attracted. this isn't attracted. and this isn't something that you can socially overwrite. so efficacy of overwrite. so the efficacy of those conversations doubt those conversations is in doubt . the really . but what is the really frustrating thing? i was i interviewed richie herron recently, the man who is suing the repeatedly being pushed the nhs repeatedly being pushed down the path of trans shunning to the point of where he had the bottom surgery done. it went and it's frankly ruined his life . it's frankly ruined his life. lovely guy. my concern that you're going to in these

conversations push people down the irrevocable , damaging path the irrevocable, damaging path of surgery of chemical castration with puberty blockers by doing only social affirmation and i don't see how can conflate conversion therapy for one's sexual ity to another which you may be biologically not but is not conversion to say oh you a man or a man , but it's not man or a man, but it's not conversion therapy to say you are a man and you want to be a woman. therefore, bits of yourself put yourself in a dress and you can approximate womanhood you can't countenance. that doesn't mean, that's that doesn't make i mean, that's a point. scott kind sees a fair point. scott kind of sees it criminalising conversation it as criminalising conversation . it's also potentially . i think it's also potentially criminalising parents, therapists, doctors and priests. i think this is absolutely untrue . i mean, what's important untrue. i mean, what's important is that the legislation drafted properly so you can have conversations there's no question that i mean you know quite often when a gay person comes out as gay or lesbian person comes out to their

parents that their mum or dad will go really. but you know, i thought i mean that is not conversion conversion therapy is when people believe that they know best conversion therapy is saying to a gay man you are not gay right there is something wrong with you we have to change it. this whole thing about being about conversations is and utterly wrong and what's really important. let's look at example where that's happened. so in canada there was a teenage girl who wanted to convert. the parents said, no, you have to wait until you're adult. and she sued the parents. and actually because of conversion because of the conversion therapy the parent got therapy ban, the parent got not just but to go to just fine but had to go to prison. now that's bad legislation, what legislation, right? so what you do you in a good do is you put in a good legislation protect in legislation that protect in particular protects right. is and that's what we need and we need to be having a conversation about how to protect people how to how to understand that and that a 16 year old thinking is

not necessary they don't understand what it's going to mean for the rest of their life that we agree on. so what do you go both in what conor said. conversion therapy ban banning people pushing you to go down the trans route. if minor. oh, the trans route. if a minor. oh, completely. i mean, absolutely. it's mean you know what think it's i mean you know what think is that people should be able to make up their mind and it's very, very important particularly adolescents, that you let let them you let them make up their mind. you let them change their minds as as they want to, which is happening in a lot of schools . and connor lot of schools. and connor scholar says she trusts that there'll be good sound legislation around this. do you trust the conservatives to create good legislation and trust government this, trust any government on this, especially founded especially when it's founded on the you the fundamental premise that you can and that can change your sex and that somehow conversion therapy. somehow it's conversion therapy. so in the so you know you are born in the in correct body. i the in the correct body. i the frustration here right is that if you instantiate only one form of therapy take intervention into law only gender. something

we don't do for any other psychological condition. for example we don't tell anorexics that, yes, you really are too . that, yes, you really are too. we'll give you state funded life is action. so until your body is brought in line with your mind. no, we treat the mind. we make sure that it's brought back in line with reality. if take out the ability say a man is a the ability to say a man is a man and you cannot into a woman, no matter many surgeries , no matter how many surgeries, hormones you take, hormones or whatever you take, then the problem is you're never going to actually address the mental health the high mental health problems, the high suicide trans community suicide of the trans community and to do is and all you're going to do is shut out of the debate. shut doctors out of the debate. they're trying to help these people. well, a spokesman people. okay well, a spokesman for equalities office for the equalities office said, the a full, the government has held a full, open on plans open consultation on plans ban conversion which it conversion therapy, in which it sets a number of proposals sets out a number of proposals to protect people from this abhorrent practise we will pubush abhorrent practise we will publish which will go publish a bill which will go through pre—legislative scrutiny in this parliamentary session. we hope to send it to a joint committee for scrutiny and will work with the liaison committee accordingly . there are clearly accordingly. there are clearly issues that are not fully

resolved. are determined that legislation will not cause harm to children and adults experiencing gender related distress , inadvertently distress, inadvertently impacting on legitimate conversations. parents or clinicians may have with their children. pre—legislative exists to prevent this and other unintended consequences by utilising stakeholder expertise and input from parliament parents. speaking of bad legislation . the king's legislation. the king's coronation will report aim to be a majestic but inclusive celebration and attempt to reflect modern can already see colour the colour of my eyes, citing a coronation choir will include singers from refugee choirs, nhs choirs , lgbtq choirs, nhs choirs, lgbtq singing groups and deaf singing choirs . try singing groups and deaf singing choirs. try king charles will reportedly wear military uniform instead of the traditional breaches and stockings that his grandfather, king george, the sixth great grandfather of king

george the fifth and great great grandfather king the seventh wore. so the king have an inclu safe or traditional coronation . safe or traditional coronation. scarlet. what do you think . i. scarlet. what do you think. i. i think . i scarlet. what do you think. i. i think. i think he's trying to please everybody and he's going to not please anybody. i i mean, i think it's a the whole thing is a pretence, isn't it? so we're going to have these people and we're going to but at end of it, we'll have a party for the people who really, really matter. what is this matter. mean, what is this coronation? and it's i mean, i'm sure gb news consider king charles the woak king. i mean , charles the woak king. i mean, it's it seems it seems slightly crazy to me that and it it's an effort. the joke is that everybody covering the coronation will call it an incredible . it's britain at its incredible. it's britain at its best it shows that britain can do pageantry but actually you know i mean it's just madness. well i'm glad agree on that as

well. connor this idea of a multi coronation ceremony now the coronation ceremony is british. therefore, it should be british. therefore, it should be british culture. we can see we live in a multicultural society because it's a good or a bad thing. but the ceremony of a new king installed surely should be british. absolutely. we have a culture that is very particular. it is parochial . dare we say it it is parochial. dare we say it specifically on a station named after great. it's the best. it should be unopposed . i say this should be unopposed. i say this as a catholic , even anglican and as a catholic, even anglican and poetic british. it shouldn't be this multi hodgepodge. i saw a government representative. it was written telegraph and they were reporting on this that they wanted it to showcase the best britain policy. now that reads like, oh yeah, this is this is how we going to market to the world. i don't want the most of return for shareholders for all for our cultural exports . i for our cultural exports. i don't want to be inclusive , don't want to be inclusive, accessible to everyone. i want my country to be particularly

british, want it to be celebrated. that and i think the main thing here, the reason why it is not particularly british is because we the intersections of the so the new civic religion the lgbt lobby a new civic religion and now refugees we've had this issue from justin welby from the king. these are all people we have to pay to as a kyiv groups. it's the supplementary religion, christianity. i want to get back to that because you, the royal source, court is the uk plc source, the court is the uk plc so—called. not the issue so—called. is this not the issue that country seems to be that the country seems to be looked at based on gdp, based on marketing mean, marketing value? i mean, everything comes down to this. it's madness. and it's complete madness. and you know, have know, this we're going to have an pop with an amazing pop concert with people over the world. people from all over the world. so but come on, i say the nhs is british. right. and, and lbgt lesbians , gay people, all lesbians, gay people, all british, right. i aetiology is nothing to do with the people is homogenising a group of people based on sexual characteristics and the preferences and endlessly expanding acronym and

is a trojan horse . lots of is a trojan horse. lots of people who would like to destroy the country because they have socialist grievances . no, it's socialist grievances. no, it's absolutely not true. no i mean people who are gay , lesbian, gay people who are gay, lesbian, gay and lesbian, right? yes is the beginning and the end of it? no it's if charles wants to, you know, say, well, we're going to have people and these people that. have people and these people that . that's have people and these people that. that's his problem. right. but a community who are but to a community who are british is right. is crazy. the acronym is not a community. right. well they seem to have ticked every single box they could except for race. i don't see any mixed race issues on there. so they may be a lot of rights. let me i can't afford you to. well, some political commentator kind tomlinson and former labour adviser writer scarlett maguire. thank you both very much. michelle donlon , the very much. michelle donlon, the culture secretary, said the weekend of events will bring people to celebrate monarchy people to celebrate our monarchy . the mixture of tradition and modernity, culture and community that makes our country great. everyone is invited to join in

on any day. whether that is hosting a special street party, watching the coronation ceremony or concert on tv or stepping forward during the big help out to help causes matter to them . to help causes matter to them. now, while was in davos, i bumped into climate activist greta thunberg . as i said greta thunberg. as i said earlier, i went out to with the rebel news guys in a personal capacity and my expenses were crowdfunded . i got the chance to crowdfunded. i got the chance to ask roger a few questions. here's what she had to. show opportunities. stop and tell us what you've kept, what you care about, what we're fighting against. you seem to be joining the establishment, not fighting them one of them . one them anymore. one of them. one of who ? well, the people in the of who? well, the people in the private jets and helicopters in here to tell us how to live our lives. yes, because i have many private jets. my own. yes. the point being, you have to condemn all them equally. otherwise, all of them equally. otherwise, it's right ? no all of them equally. otherwise, it's right? no . it's hypocrisy, right? no. i don't see how that's. i take

anything seriously. so just i laugh all the time, so don't take it personally. do you make a show of duty to listen to different voices and opinions that differ from your own ? you that differ from your own? you try and take challenge on board when . it comes to climate . sure when. it comes to climate. sure every time a western government a net zero policy, it's common folk that are suffering, especially, you know, cost of living crisis. do you have anything say on that? yeah horrible that people are being affected by this, by different things like , some brutal the things like, some brutal the climate crisis and so on. people are being displaced and losing their lives. it's horrible. but they can't afford to eat more heat. their homes because of the net zero policies that you just felt like. yeah, that's definitely we are experiencing the cost of living crisis. yes, i agree . thank you. is the i agree. thank you. is the movement not turning people away from your cause? the tactics that are being employed . i have that are being employed. i have . to say . the do you with all

. to say. the do you with all the radical tactics people are taking in your name. i think they only want to taking action in my name is me. i hope that you the leader of this movement. i not. regular people spin . i not. regular people spin. pleasure. we're going to leave now . would appreciate if you now. would appreciate if you didn't follow your thanks . you didn't follow your thanks. you as you could tell, i had a lovely time in davos this week. we saw the return, the annual world economic forum meeting in davos with politicians and business leaders from around 130 countries descending on the swiss . however, with global swiss. however, with global leaders increasingly seeking influence, the policies of sovereign countries on everything from the to climate change, there are concerns that governments have and less power over the affairs of their own country . so should the world country. so should the world economic forum supersede state sovereignty ? former advisor to sovereignty? former advisor to president and lecturer at hillsdale college, michael anton joins me now . thank you for joins me now. thank you for joining us this sunday. michael could you start off by telling

us a bit about the history of wef and the power it and does not have . i don't know the not have. i don't know the history specifically . i think it history specifically. i think it started sometime in the late seventies. i know that klaus schwab, who founded it, is an economics professor here in germany and used to attend some of the other more secretive like bilderberg that used to be and still are to some extent considered by conspiracy theorists or wrongly as hubs of global intrigue. and klaus schwab's gradients . it was, schwab's gradients. it was, well, we could actually do better instead of let's have the same conference . but instead of same conference. but instead of making it secret, let's invite press and let them cover it and let them write glowing stories about and let's, you know, open it up to sort of sunshine and maybe can tamp down some of the conspiracy, but also with glowing press, get much more global momentum , public support global momentum, public support for our movement and it's funny to me or it's certainly telling, i think it's been from his

perspective a complete success that davos has now for 20 years the world economic forum been sort of the place to go see and be seen and meet other people and your influence. there's hardly a ceo or a world that isn't there every year or at it hasn't been in the last two or three years. it's the kind of thing where if you don't go you're really not part of the ruling cabal of the world. so you while i disagree with most of its goals i have to give schwab and the wef people credit that they set out to create the kind of most important consequential conference. and they did it. yeah i mean the wef themselves would say that they're trying to promote world peace and cooperation between different nations. surely that's a good thing. well, yeah, but cooperation toward what ends and on whose terms . so, you know, i on whose terms. so, you know, i just watched a clip where were talking about climate change. right well, yeah, they want cooperation. they want cooperation. they want cooperation to as they put it, fight climate change, bring fight climate change, to bring global also

global down. but that's also cooperate to cut energy. the energy sector to lower standards of living, to make it more difficult to and so on and so forth . so, you know, cooperate forth. so, you know, cooperate action from their point of view ends up meaning a very constricted lifestyle , the point constricted lifestyle, the point of view of a lot of other people who, of course, don't get ianed who, of course, don't get invited to meetings, never will get invited to these meetings and really have no say to what goes on. but when have , you goes on. but when you have, you know, the leading corporate ceos from the states, europe, the far mingling with world leaders, heads of state, heads of government, these people have a lot of power to co—opt and get their way regardless of what any of the rest of us actually think. and that's what makes the world economic. i think, you know, a danger to certainly don't want to speak for your country but to life that country but to way of life that my country has been accustomed to for many decades if not longer perhaps not literal power, but a lot of influence. you know, schwab talks about penetrate cabinets people

penetrate the cabinets of people all around the world. but is it not that donald trump not right that donald trump opposed agenda ? donald opposed this agenda? donald trump agenda. but, you trump opposed agenda. but, you know, the only time i've ever been to davos, ironically was in 2018 with donald trump and. he got a very friendly reception . got a very friendly reception. he took a davos friendly message to davos. that is to say he was certainly against them on the climate change question. he was against them on the migration question, on many other things. he had a sort anti davos agenda, but he was also very pro—business. and he to make the case that america was a great place to invest to open factories and so on and that's the message that he brought davosin the message that he brought davos in 2018. and he didn't say any the many critical things that i think he could have said. and so was received in a friendly way by schwab himself , friendly way by schwab himself, by the rest of the audience . by the rest of the audience. it's a difficult thread , fine it's a difficult thread, fine line to walk for in president or anyone interested in developing

the american economy. you don't want to cut yourself off from these powerful corporate ceos and so on. you don't want to have bad relations with the other countries of the world, including with leaders of those other that don't other countries that maybe don't share but you also share your agenda, but you also don't your agenda . don't want abandon your agenda. and, you know, trump, i think, walked well. but walked it reasonably well. but now we have a completely different in the united states that i would say is more less that i would say is more or less fully aligned with the davos agenda and there isn't really a whole lot pushback or resistance to it anymore either here or around world. yeah, it's great shame. i think trump played the game very well. the thank for that analysis. that was former advisor trump advisor president trump and lecturer at hillsdale college, michael anton , thank you so much michael anton, thank you so much for your today we reached for your time today we reached out the wef for a comment but out to the wef for a comment but they are yet to respond. but here is the mission statement from website . the world from wef website. the world economic forum is the international for public private cooperation , and the forum cooperation, and the forum engages the foremost business cultural , other leaders of cultural, other leaders of society shape global, regional

and industry agendas. we believe that progress happens by bringing together people from all walks of life who have the drive and influence to make positive change. each week on the show , we like to end with the show, we like to end with our closing prayer and today's collect is almighty and everlasting god. mercifully upon our infirmities and in all our dangers and necessities stretch forth by right hand to help and defend us through christ our lord. amen you have been watching calvin's sense crusade with me, the reverend robinson. i'll be back with you next sunday at 3 pm. nana akua is up next. but before that, here is the latest weather forecast. god bless. and dazzled . hello there. bless. and dazzled. hello there. i'm jonathan vaught here with your latest weather updates from the met office today and over the met office today and over the next few days , uk is a bit the next few days, uk is a bit of a battleground between and milder. high pressure scandinavia but stretching its way down into southeastern areas of england is holding the cold air in tact here . the frontal

air in tact here. the frontal systems that are trying to push their way into the north and west also dredging some west are also dredging up some mild to milder air at this mild to air, milder air at this time year, though, is time of the year, though, is accompanied a fair amount accompanied by a fair amount of cloud see some cloud and, we will see some patchy of rain drizzle patchy outbreaks of rain drizzle continuing across the southwest and ifish continuing across the southwest and irish coastal and other irish sea coastal areas overnight hold on areas overnight where we hold on to clearest skies firms to to the clearest skies firms to the south and temperatures the south and east temperatures be dropping off quite rapidly down minus five, minus down to minus five, minus four celsius some and celsius. in some towns and cities . this celsius. in some towns and cities. this will be accompanied by freezing fog developing overnight. be quite dense overnight. could be quite dense in places. so do just care where you are heading out first thing on monday morning to linger through morning the likes of through the morning the likes of cambridgeshire eventually cambridgeshire but eventually clearing allow some clearing away to allow some brighter its way brighter. cloud pushing its way into kent and areas of east anglia meanwhile the cloud over and over in western areas is going to remain fairly persistent. it could be another largely outbreaks largely great day with outbreaks , rain and drizzle. good to stay mild in the north and west though. highs of 910 degrees celsius here and around four three degrees further to the south and east into monday

evening. a relatively similar picture because we've now got the cloud filtering its way into the cloud filtering its way into the far southeast. the frost will off a bit more will just hold off a bit more hair that central hair and it'll be that central slice england where slice of england where temperatures will readily drop off again as we move into off once again as we move into the the week. that cloud the rest of the week. that cloud in north and west is slowly in the north and west is slowly going push its way southwards going to push its way southwards with system. with this frontal system. so we will eventually see some cloud yet and also mild conditions across southern areas of as we move towards the middle of the week. that cold front, week. behind that cold front, though , will an ingress though, we will see an ingress of slightly colder air. of some slightly colder air. so temperatures will fall off a bit for the likes of edinburgh and belfast, but not cold. more around average for the time of yeah around average for the time of year. by the time we get to wednesday and thursday. see you later thursday . 9 pm. later monday to thursday. 9 pm. till 11 pm. join me dan i'll bfing till 11 pm. join me dan i'll bring you the sharpest take and hottest debates. you can't believe i don't believe in presents completely stumped i guarantee you there'll be no spin, no bias no censorship. i actually was personally quite offended by it and no reason to

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