on mark dolan tonight in my big opinion the labour party have a problem with women when speaking up for women's hard won sex based rights make you a bad person . i'm not pulling my person. i'm not pulling my punches that is my big opinion monologue in just 3 minutes time my more meets guest is lord peter lilly , a political icon peter lilly, a political icon and life peer who served as a cabinet minister. and life peer who served as a cabinet minister . the cabinet minister. the governments of margaret thatcher and john major in the big question, should all mps be forced to publish their tax . forced to publish their tax. would you like to see their financial details and in news agenda? should king charles have agenda? should king charles have a budget coronation ? and also, a budget coronation? and also, is the city of san francisco in america to pay every victim of

slavery $5 million each and should couples that split up return the engagement i still got mine . i'll see you after the got mine. i'll see you after the headunes got mine. i'll see you after the headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. mark, thank . headlines with tatiana sanchez. mark, thank. i'm tatiana sanchez. this is the latest . the sanchez. this is the latest. the gb newsroom police have released a mugshot of the man believed be the suspect of the mass shooting california that killed at least ten people. he's believed to afian ten people. he's believed to asian and aged between 38 and 50 years old. police are also investigating a white cargo van following . the shooting that are following. the shooting that are reports of a current standoff involving that van . thousands of involving that van. thousands of people had gathered in city of monterey park near los angeles when a man opened fire at a lunar new year festival , lunar new year festival, injuring another ten people at. least one person is in a critical condition in hospital ,

critical condition in hospital, the la. county sheriff says. we to get this person off the street as soon as possible, very description has been described as a male asian brand victims and we've gotten different descriptions of one suspect. so when i say it's preliminary please again be patient with us. we are here to tell you that we are utilising every resource to apprehend this suspect in what we believe be one of the county's most heinous cases . county's most heinous cases. we'll bring you more on that story as we get it. now, a cabinet minister told gb news nadhim zahawi the prime minister's support. that's following allegations about tax affairs. the conservative party chairman has admitted he reached settlement with hmrc, believed to be almost settlement with hmrc, believed to be almost £5 million, following an error over. a multi—million pound shareholding . the polling company yougov

laboun . the polling company yougov labour, has called his position on. but foreign secretary . james on. but foreign secretary. james cleverly says he believes mr. zahawi has paid his taxes. i don't know any more details than what he has already put in the pubuc what he has already put in the public domain. i don't think it would be right or proper for me to suspect or guess about any details about his tax affairs. but he has been a successful entrepreneur building a company which has paid tax, employing people who have paid taxes. and he has paid tax and considered full amount because he's been successful , at least 380 successful, at least 380 migrants have arrived . the uk on migrants have arrived. the uk on ten small boats overnight, making it the busiest day of channel so far this year. gb news understands a few other boats have also set off early this morning, but haven't yet made it to the uk. the boats were monitored . french naval were monitored. french naval vessels which only intervene if the migrants into difficulties. today's arrivals bring the total

number of those crossing the engush number of those crossing the english channel. this year to 530 family, friends and fans gathered to attend a memorial for lisa marie presley held at her father's estate in memphis, tennessee. the us and only child of elvis presley had been laid rest at the graceland mansion. she from her rock and roll father . she she from her rock and roll father. she died on the she from her rock and roll father . she died on the 12th of father. she died on the 12th of january after reportedly suffering a cardiac arrest at her home. she was four. among those who paid tribute to the duchess of york and lisa marie's mother , priscilla, who called mother, priscilla, who called her an icon and a superhero . tv her an icon and a superhero. tv onune her an icon and a superhero. tv online and 80 plus radio your with gb news now it's back to mark dolan tonight. my mark dolan tonight. my thanks to tatiana who in an

hours my thanks to tatiana who in an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion monologue in just moment. does the labour party a problem with women? when did speaking up for women's sex rights make you a bad person ? in the big question, bad person? in the big question, should all be forced to publish their returns? my male guest is one of the best known politicians in the country. lord peter lilly , a political icon peter lilly, a political icon and life who served as a cabinet in the governments of both margaret and john major be asking him about brexit. what does he think of rishi sunak and will we ever tackle the migrant crisis? at 1030 sharp we'll have tomorrow's papers with full panel reaction in the news agenda. panel reaction in the news agenda . should king charles have agenda. should king charles have agenda. should king charles have a budget coronation? is the city san francisco right to ? pay san francisco right to? pay every victim of slavery $5 million each? and should couples that split up, return the engagement ring or ? ladies. do

engagement ring or? ladies. do you keep everything reacting to those stories and many more? all my fantastic of actress and comedy , said gina kashi , comedy, said gina kashi, broadcaster and columnist ali mirage . and social commentator mirage. and social commentator lin mei . now, i want to hear lin mei. now, i want to hear from you throughout the show. the best bit of the program is when you get in touch. mark at gb news dot uk. this program has a don't do a golden rule. we don't do bonng. a golden rule. we don't do boring . not on my watch. i just boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it. so for the next 2 hours, big debates , big guests hours, big debates, big guests and always big opinions. let's start with this . one when did start with this. one when did standing up for women and hard won sex based rights make you a bad person . the moral compass of bad person. the moral compass of the west is now so topsy by defending the of female only

spaces. apparently you're a bigot. so why does all of this matter ? well, because i'm afraid matter? well, because i'm afraid that men have always and always will be a predator. real threat to women . men are physically to women. men are physically stronger and can overpower most . and the vast majority . sexual . and the vast majority. sexual violence suffered by women is at the hands of men. so to give men calling themselves female male, unfettered access to women's changing rooms, women's toilets , even women's refuge and rape crisis shelters is patently an outright assault on. women's safety . when did standing up for safety. when did standing up for women's rights make you a bad person? as a son to an amazing mother . as a brother to person? as a son to an amazing mother. as a brother to amazing with amazing female friends and brilliant female colleagues . brilliant female colleagues. it's something that i will do until my dying day . if only more until my dying day. if only more men could do just the same .

men could do just the same. like, for example, the serve free leader of the opposition keir starmer, who gets tied in interviews. just try to define what a woman is , though. he's what a woman is, though. he's married to one. he's been very quiet recently as one of his own mps. a female member of parliament simply for the crime of , bravely telling parliament simply for the crime of, bravely telling her story when she felt threatened by a man in a previously female space. here is what miriam cates mp had to. and let me warn you, it's powerful stuff. there are areas where only women allow or allowed . i had an experience allowed. i had an experience recently in a restaurant where a man dressed a woman walked into the toilet. so i was on my own in the toilets. he stood behind me and stared at me into the looking at me, my eyes. now i have no if he intended me any harm but my instinct, my harm but but my instinct, my involved as a woman was to be because unlike almost any other women are far powerful than men.

we can't defend . that's why we we can't defend. that's why we have no is a fact. the difference strength between men and women is . that's why we had and women is. that's why we had separate sex categories for sport . can you imagine how she sport. can you imagine how she felt being out by that man in the bathroom and what her reward for that brave and principled speech? well she was yelled at by a bloke how unsurprising labour lloyd russell—moyle , who labour lloyd russell—moyle, who had told spent the afternoon anyone that he disagreed with and on this occasion relation to the mp you've just heard he abso lutely that rip was one of the worst transphobic big dog whistle speeches i've heard in a long time. the idea of linking trans people with predators, frankly, is disgust . and you frankly, is disgust. and you should be ashamed . how on earth should be ashamed. how on earth is her store in any sense? dog

whistle politics. he then wins across the chamber and sat on tory benches . now, was that tory benches. now, was that intimidate her or make feel uncomfortable? you tell me. do labour have a problem with women .labour labour have a problem with women . labour mp duffield who spoke to me on this program last weekend , seems to think so . weekend, seems to think so. here's what she wrote this week . an article following that mps behaviour she wrote after tuesday's came the silence not from russell—moyle but from keir starmer's office . it's a cycle starmer's office. it's a cycle i've come to know well. first speak up in defence of women's sex based rights and then face the conflict fences alone . she the conflict fences alone. she goes on in 2019, it was hard enough to convince my constituents that labour wasn't anti—semitic . constituents that labour wasn't anti—semitic. in the constituents that labour wasn't anti—semitic . in the next anti—semitic. in the next election, when they inevitably ask whether labour is sexist.

i'm not sure i'll be able to do the same now. lloyd russell—moyle apologised for his behaviour . russell—moyle apologised for his behaviour. he is clearly deeply concerned the rights of trans people who are some of the most abused and prejudged members of our society . i have close our society. i have close friends who have and they need support and love as well as rights recognition. and right that you cannot conflate a trans person with being a sex attacker . of course not. but the end his own aggressive behaviour , own aggressive behaviour, typical of so many pushing this so—called trans ideology which denies the very principle of biology equal sex altogether , an biology equal sex altogether, an ideology that wants biological men competing in females , the men competing in females, the ones by men fully intact in women's prisons, and that male to be referred to in the press as females that have abused children. now that is a libel on

women and a lie boot attacking and erasing isn't just a by—product of this new religion. the deliberate outcome of it. women are being by design and the way that this policy is being pursued has violent threatening undertones after all. why does gender author j.k. rowling now require 24 seven security? it just demonstrates how regressive and mediaeval woke culture is . the figures for woke culture is. the figures for example, from the scottish national party pushing this crazy ideology are happy to march on the streets alongside placards threatening to behead women . decapitate women that women. decapitate women that won't into line. that's progress it. women have faced oppression, abuse and attack from the opposite gender. for centuries . opposite gender. for centuries. it is the story of history. and

with gender ideology, it's basically men bullying women all over again. it's dogma in a dress and it's hatred in heels . dress and it's hatred in heels. now, what's your reaction? do labour have a problem with women . keir starmer would argue that he has promoted so many women to his shadow cabinet, including the shadow chancellor rachel reeves, who is a very impressive politician. he would argue there are more female mp in the labour parliamentary party and he would argue that labour could not be more pro—war men. but what's your view? do let me know. mark at gbnews.uk. and how do you react to the treatment of ? react to the treatment of? miriam cates there. that's mp sharing a personal story about threatened in a female only space. let me know your thoughts and get your opinions in just a couple of minutes. but first, let's hear the views of my panel and actress nigella kashi

broadcast and columnist alimi raj and political and social commentator lin mei. let me start with you, gina or a warm welcome back to mark dolan tonight. what's your view . oh, tonight. what's your view. oh, gosh. you know what hasn't been said on this are i think what is labouris said on this are i think what is labour is actually because of the anti—semitism in the past they will step up and what they mean especially starmer it's frustrating because he needs to really stand by the women of this country and by not by that question it's i mean, let's face it, misogyny has been around since caveman. well, actually , since caveman. well, actually, adam and eve, you know, eve's blowing for the apple in the cave and the hunter hunter gatherer man . and then what did gatherer man. and then what did the woman keep the cave, even without the appliances back in the day. so misogyny is always been and i like your been there and i like your phrase like this is dog moan

address . i phrase like this is dog moan address. i almost what we don't hearis address. i almost what we don't hear is actually from trans themselves having a conversation that we're having now . and i that we're having now. and i would like to see more of that because i kind of think i want to understand, i don't want to go down the kind of road where i think we're going is we're transphobia is actually increasing because of the feud that have got, you know bad views or whatever and that kind of moors, everything i want to know because i don't believe that there's violence so much violence against trans as has been said . because i haven't been said. because i haven't seen any evidence of so i'd like to see that evidence but i'd also like to hear from real trans women who have, you know, like transit and to hear what they've got to because i think we're around this conversation, around running around and think men have taken over this conversation one way or another. and i'm going to let ali, another man . well, that's right. another man. well, that's right. well, look , ali and i are just well, look, ali and i are just blokes you know, let's show that

bloke. bless you for that. keep keep the flattery coming. but lynn, what's your view about this? do labour have a problem with women ? your reaction to the with women? your reaction to the behaviour of lloyd russell—moyle in the house of i'm just so happy and i was so proud to see rosie duffield and miriam stand up in the house of commons and say whatever they needed to say to get the point across and to hear people shout down, especially a man pointing his finger when all she was essentially doing was explaining her. xperia and then keir starmer not coming and saying anything in her defence i think is absolutely disgusting . and is absolutely disgusting. and i'm not surprised that it was trendy saying shortly after saying labour women and they will because it's one thing being clear save and understand where trans people are coming from . but the mp he doesn't even from. but the mp he doesn't even like he cares about women . if he like he cares about women. if he cared about women , he would

cared about women, he would actually listen to her experiences say, okay, we understand that, but we need to be careful with the language. so as to not conflate predators with people that want to transition . but he did not care. transition. but he did not care. he did not even listen to her. so really proud that they've said that . and i think you raise said that. and i think you raise a good point when you say the labour scared , they're labour party are scared, they're scared address grooming, scared to address grooming, they're scared to address sticking up for women that all in the name of inclusivity when they going to find their balls. there you go. well somebody that owns quite a substantial is ali macgraw. what's over there? i didn't realise that would be so. i'm told. look i think what we need to do here is take the heat out of this debate completely. if you're a trans person, you want to be treated with respect and dignity . want to be treated with respect and dignity. there was a trans woman or trans mind in of me. i would address them in the way that they want it to be addressed. think that that's a decent humane, civilised thing

to do. but there is a distinction to be made and this is where the crux the debate is around biology and gender. and there are two issues coming out of this. one is an issue of security, security for women . security, security for women. thatis security, security for women. that is a serious issue that needs to be dealt with carefully sensitively and sensitively . but sensitively and sensitively. but the other issue is one of identity. and what do i mean by that, i mean i mean the women themselves is a feeling that their identity is in some way being undermined by this or at least challenged. and you've got a situation , mark, where gender a situation, mark, where gender always used to be considered to be the social construct. we had all these stereotype types and you know what men should do? what women should do would be on that. now biology that. now thankfully now biology is becoming a social construct that you can basically body doesn't matter anymore. and i think that that is posing some problems. what would to see problems. what would like to see actually i think this is a place for something like a citizens assembly . you get members of the assembly. you get members of the pubuc assembly. you get members of the public together , go and

public together, go and carefully consider these issues deliberate and come up with some ideas because it's too fraught. right now, the political debate around this issue is toxic and it needs to be handled carefully. and you see this in the in the scottish issue right now, where i'm seriously concerned that 16 year olds could be effectively transitioning i think what we might have a mark in the next ten years or so or 20 years is people coming back and saying, i was 13 or 16. yeah no one story. i want you know and i already write so highly biraj you are so right. and that's why we've got to have provision. we must have a grown up, calm conversation and couldn't agree with you more. let's that tonight what is your view you agree with gina lynn or ali or me ? i mean god lynn or ali or me? i mean god forbid drop me a line mark at gbnews.uk mark meets guest at ten is one of the most experienced politicians in the country it's lord peter lilley served thatcher and major what does think of rishi sunak what does think of rishi sunak what does he think of brexit? how is

it playing out ? but next up, it playing out? but next up, should all be forced to publish tax return. we will hear the labour mp for birmingham perry bar, khalid mahmood and politics legend ann widdecombe. don't go anywhere .

but welcome back to mark dolan tonight lord peter lilley is my mark means guest at ten can't wait for that. also shocking in scotland they're taking away meat from school dinners in edinburgh my reaction at 10:00 plant based is coming you have been warned and how about this in response to my big opinion good speech, mark says angie , as good speech, mark says angie, as a woman, what i find extremely offensive about trans debate is that the labour party will not stand up the rights of women, with exception rosie with the exception rosie duffield, treatment by other duffield, her treatment by other labour mps is disgusting . labour mps is disgusting. delfina says mark labour are in

the old ages. they don't like women and the female employees on the front are disgusting for not backing the female mp being hassled by labour male mp . and hassled by labour male mp. and last but not least, jackie . hi last but not least, jackie. hi mark. great monologue , mark. great monologue, especially about women and women only spaces. but i notice that gb news has unisex toilets. well me tell you, jackie, we do have unisex toilets. and it's because we a start—up with a tiny budget and we rent the building. so it's out of our control but we don't like them. and i was in those toilets the other day and i saw the wrong end of nigel farage, and that was not for the faint hearted. let me tell nigel, by the way, back tomorrow at seven. look crack on. let's do this . let me tell you, do this. let me tell you, nigel's got a great body. now, this is the big question in which we tackle a major news of the day tonight , the former

the day tonight, the former chancellor and now chairman , the chancellor and now chairman, the conservative party, nadine zahawi , has said an error in his zahawi, has said an error in his tax affairs was accepted by hmrc as having been careless and not deliberate. in a statement . he deliberate. in a statement. he said he wanted to address any confusion about his finances after claims he tried to avoid it tax and then had to pay it back. the prime rishi sunak is satisfied with zahawi account suggest he may well stay on his current role. labour said there was a whole list of questions still need answering . the party still need answering. the party has called on mr. zahawi to pubush has called on mr. zahawi to publish all with hmrc to get the full picture . now the guardian full picture. now the guardian have reported that mr. zahawi had to pay back the tax he owed with a 30% penalty and the total amounts to wait for it. with a 30% penalty and the total amounts to wait for it . £4.8 amounts to wait for it. £4.8 million. now we're not able to bear out that figure , but it bear out that figure, but it begs the wider question should all mps be forced to publish their tax returns ? would you

their tax returns? would you like to see their tax returns to debate this? i'm delighted to welcome former conservative government minister, bestselling author and television personality and the star of mark devlin tonight, every sunday and warm return to the programme from labour mp for birmingham perry ball, khalid mahmood , perry ball, khalid mahmood, lovely to have you with us again , khalid. do you think all mps should publish tax returns for you to meet with you both? no, i don't that i don't think it's important . don't that i don't think it's important. it's just nothing to hide. kelly you got something to hide. kelly you got something to hide . oh, no . got absolutely hide. oh, no. got absolutely nothing to hide. this is just absurd, mark and i to say that this programme is complete nonsense . we want to attract the nonsense. we want to attract the best people coming into parliament and by stripping them of all dignity , which is what of all dignity, which is what this is about, it doesn't do that. we have standards where we report all our interests do that, that we have hmrc who

looks at annual returns and does something. no, i don't have anything hide. i'm quite happy for the hmrc to go through them. and if there's anything wrong with you do every year to do that. with you do every year to do that . all we're doing is pushing that. all we're doing is pushing parliament back and back and putting less people of quality that would come forward that is the problem. and you want to frighten people away from that. you on done that step and you carry on done that step and that's the problem you're committing to. would you take that service? what do that to civil service? what do you chief of police? you take of the chief of police? will take it? the national will you take it? the national health they health service? will they all have declare tax have to declare their tax returns don't so. so returns? i don't think so. so let's it properly. well, let's do it properly. well, colleagues, pulling colleagues, you know i'm pulling your having your leg about you having something take your something hide. but i take your point . something hide. but i take your point. something very unusual something hide. but i take your poirhappened|ing very unusual something hide. but i take your poirhappened ,1g very unusual something hide. but i take your poirhappened , which! unusual something hide. but i take your poir happened , which is nusual something hide. but i take your poir happened , which is that al something hide. but i take your poir happened , which is that ann has happened, which is that ann widdecombe is agreeing with the labour mp and what's going on? well, i can tell you exactly what's going on. once in a blue moon, a labour mp is talking complete and i meant complete consent and i meant what has been said covers it all. i talk to add except that i think most important of what

we've just is this that we do equality in parliament. we lack people of quality . and if you people of quality. and if you were to get them in, you wouldn't do that by holding up every single bus ticket to ridicule , by wanting to know ridicule, by wanting to know every last detail of their private lives, by wanting see their tax returns . if there is their tax returns. if there is something amiss with the tax leave that to hmrc. that's what is for. and no of course, mp shouldn't have published that tax return if that had been brought in when i was there, i would have said. right here is one tax return for you to see. so that you can see there's nothing wrong with my affairs at all. and now off . that's all. and now i'm off. that's what i would have said . be what i would have said. be careful , however, and it's good careful, however, and it's good enough for the us president to pubush enough for the us president to publish his or her tax returns . publish his or her tax returns. the greatest democracy on earth holding guns is good enough for america of all the citizens who got guns, all kind of guns,

that's good for america. all sorts of things are good enough for america that i sincerely hope we will continue resist till there is no need for us pubush till there is no need for us publish our tax returns just because . and how the president because. and how the president of the united states publishes this. now, if i am, he wants to pubush this. now, if i am, he wants to publish his or her tax returns . publish his or her tax returns. that's entirely up to that mp. but certainly there should be no requirement no requirement at all. you're going to put good people off from their already put off in office. it is . look, put off in office. it is. look, i can leave my moods. i accept what you've said there about the idea that it could be a decent incentive to high achievers entering parliament and agree with you that we've got to attract the great and the good just like your good , you make just like your good, you make a significant contribution to pubuc significant contribution to public as the member of parliament for birmingham, perry barr . does parliament for birmingham, perry barr. does that mean that you will defend nadhim zahawi because he's made it clear he has no case to answer at this point and should keep his job.

the issue with nadine is that hmrc has raised this particular issue and it's been dealt with and therefore it's right once the issue has been raised for people to ask for and into that. and that's exactly what's happening. so there's a particular raised through in investigative journalism or other issue information that comes before then you ask for that. comes before then you ask for that . and at the moment i think that. and at the moment i think we're dealing with that and we'll see if the standards body investigates that or not. and if it doesn't, it's that these . it doesn't, it's that these. okay. so i mean what's your instinct with nadhim zahawi at the moment do you think that he should stay in post? well, as far as i'm concerned, i think he should be investigated properly and there is no untoward issues found . then he should stay. if found. then he should stay. if he if he if he has been compromised, then he should be held to task . do you buy and held to task. do you buy and welcome the idea that mr. zahar

, we simply made a mistake. it was an oversight . i don't need was an oversight. i don't need to buy it or not buy it because i do not know. and the only people who know the details of his tax affairs are . now, what his tax affairs are. now, what are you going to suggest next? what should we all publish? our thanks statements, you know, so that people can see what we've got in the bank , you know? got in the bank, you know? i mean, it is ups loot, invasion of privacy . now if he's done of privacy. now if he's done something wrong, there is a standards committee. there's hmo see itself you know there's all of that that can be done but when it comes to prying into employees personal affairs we have got to learn to stop . it's have got to learn to stop. it's not our business. how can i judge? how can i judge whether he's done something wrong? what daft question. with all due respect , mark asked daft question. with all due respect, mark asked me, daft question. with all due respect , mark asked me, well, respect, mark asked me, well, what we what we know, what we know and i. i appreciate the correction and i defer to your eternal wisdom . the bottom line

eternal wisdom. the bottom line is he's had to write a seven figure check to hmrc . it's not figure check to hmrc. it's not a great look, is it, for the of the conservative party , whether the conservative party, whether it was a mistake or not. many will just think this guy's got a team of accountants. he was chancellor of the exchequer, he's clearly not fit for high office . now that that is a office. now that that is a complete nonsense are all sorts of reasons why people come to some a different from hmrc. it quite normal when you're talking about it that's another word for. people who argue with hmrc and that is perfectly permissible . but at the end of permissible. but at the end of the day it will be hmrc who decides and they haven't said that they're referring the matter to the that this is a case of tax. they haven't said that. case of tax. they haven't said that . so why would we to say that. so why would we to say indeed but we potentially talking about four or indeed but we potentially talking about four 0 r £5 million talking about four or £5 million and this is a man that just a few months ago was charged over the exchequer. how can he

neglect to pay that of amount of money given . the resources at money given. the resources at his disposal and this was a man that was responsible the country's finances . four or that was responsible the country's finances. four 0 r £5 country's finances. four or £5 million is tory town money to me maybe it's of course money but it's always rich and it won't have that sort of order of magnitude . comparatively magnitude. comparatively speaking . but i don't care . it's speaking. but i don't care. it's a large sum or a tiny one, or that i am surveys that if had actually been serious evasion or non or something that sort hmrc would almost certainly on that scale refer it to the court. they haven't done so . and a they haven't done so. and a quick word before you go, does this present the prime minister sunak with a problem and a dilemma? ought he be seen to do something ? i think it will something? i think it will present him with a problem ? i

present him with a problem? i mean, it's a pr disaster. whatever else is caught on, he's going to be asked all sorts of awkward questions. he doesn't know anything about . the tax know anything about. the tax affairs, any any than i do. so he's got to speak on the basis of what he's been told, not on the basis of what he thinks. so, yes he is going to have a problem. and yes, you know, as ever , there's a question about ever, there's a question about the finances of a high ranking conservative. and as is always the old, old allegation of tory sleaze, but it doesn't follow. and what i would actually like to see at some stage is some senior politician just turn round and, say to your professional, you more your profession. okay, that's enough. we are suing . and he would be we are suing. and he would be able to sue big time if he's done nothing wrong. so be careful and delight to have you on the program. we'll see you in a week's time. my thanks to you, ann widdecombe and labour mp khalid , who we lost the

khalid mahmood, who we lost the line to. but we'll speak to him very soon. next up is the city of san francisco, right to pay every victim of slavery million dollars each . we'll discuss that dollars each. we'll discuss that

next welcome back to a mark dolan tonight . how about this? in tonight. how about this? in response to our debates , mps response to our debates, mps pubush response to our debates, mps publish their tax returns. can the offspring of the highland clearances have the same ? that, clearances have the same? that, of course, is in relation to the slavery that we're about to have. so let's do it right now. reacting to the big stories of the day. actress and comedian, she, broadcaster and columnist ali meraj and political and social. lin mei, san francisco's reparation committee have proposed that every eligible black citizen in the city should receive a $5 million payout. it's a total bill of at least $50 billion. the city's resident

will be eligible if they can prove to the authorities that they are descendants from a 19th century black slave . so is the century black slave. so is the city of san francisco right to pay city of san francisco right to pay every victim of slavery? $5 million each? ali no, they're absolutely wrong . and they're absolutely wrong. and they're wrong for the simple reason. look, slavery was an absolute term. it was an important thing . and it's totally unforgivable . that's that's clear. but there no history of slavery in in this state. and what are we trying to do here? you compensating people who now not slaves . and that who now not slaves. and that money's going to come from people who did not actually put them into slavery either. so it's a it's an issue going back generations . and i think generations. and i think fundamentally here the problem is that we're inculcating a real victim mentality which removes agents see from people to actually take control their own lives. there are serious in the

us around people from the black community not achieving economically what they should be and there may be several issues for that . don't believe that for that. don't believe that structural racism is everywhere, but there are issues to deal with. so there are race issues but seeing structural racism everywhere is a nightmare. and one colleagues, your one of your colleagues, your former and i are following him and she set up this thing called the equation, a project. i was there cambridge listening to there in cambridge listening to academics both sides of the academics from both sides of the pond. people like john mcwhorter from columbia glenn lowry, from brown, you know, serious saying that this kind of mentality, this being inculcated here, is deeply unhelpful. it removes agency from people to change their fortunes , change their their fortunes, change their lives for the better. but simply seeing peoples are victims and what you're going to have now is other groups. they're going to say, hang what about say, well, hang on, what about us? what about we're native americans? why aren't getting americans? why aren't we getting compensation? right. compensation? i did. right. so, so be difficult so they're going to be difficult is you're trying. instead is what you're trying. instead of trying to bring people together any

together here and remove any race issues that may exist and they're all race issues that exist i don't think we can deny that. exist i don't think we can deny that . but exist i don't think we can deny that. but seeing exist i don't think we can deny that . but seeing structural that. but seeing structural racism around every deeply racism around every is deeply unhelpful . you inculcate unhelpful. you inculcate division , rather than trying division, rather than trying a cb on that about what you think in may. i think he'll conflating a lot of things here you saying you know not everyone was a slave and so on and so forth then i'll pose two questions to you . so when the british decided you. so when the british decided aboush you. so when the british decided abolish slavery, which they did , brilliant, they to compensate the slave , and we recently the slave, and we recently stopped . in 2015 via our taxes stopped. in 2015 via our taxes to comp say the slave owners. so you believe okay it was a long time i want my tax back because you're saying the reason there's argument to be had as to why people that had nothing to do with slavery , i agree should with slavery, i agree should have to pay this and it's going to cause division. but i as a descendant from slavery, my taxes on compensating my slave owners . so if that's the case ,

owners. so if that's the case, why then? and one thing i'll have to agree from fiscal point of view, it doesn't make sense if . every single black person in if. every single black person in san francisco is to receive 5 million. that's 50 billion. and they cannot afford it. however, there's an argument be said, if we can find billions for ukraine and we can find billions for everything else , and the germans everything else, and the germans found billions , the jewish found billions, the jewish communities, why can't have some of that? so why can't i have a reparations for the fact that my parents originally come from pakistan and the british made an absolute hash of it when there was a partition, i would over a million people die. my mother pakistan. totally agree . what pakistan. i totally agree. what you're reparations you're calling for reparations you're calling for reparations you put out loads of. i do . this you put out loads of. i do. this is for me for global trade . is it for me for global trade. well no. and associated with every empire i can go back a thousand years. i completely agree that i'm not saying it's something that it's if it doesn't happen. i've conceded to the idea it may not happen . it's the idea it may not happen. it's not going to hold me back in

life. i'm going to do well. i don't care if it doesn't. but if there is something that can aid produce money for descendants of slaves slave people that were faced with slave slavery. why will not happen? why would anyone be at that? if you're angry at that, then should be angry at that, then should be angry at that, then should be angry at germany. also compensate the jewish community. why could they get compensation? how is helping ? how is it how is it helping? how is it helping now ? descendants helping people now? descendants of how it going to of slavery? how is it going to help with job help them with job opportunities, with education? how is it going to help them with their lives now? i think a middle ground here. okay yes, two a half million to begin two and a half million to begin committed, which goes to me because . i also know i have have because. i also know i have have have a trauma from partition, generational trauma . and if ali generational trauma. and if ali gets money, i'm telling you now i'm going to be fighting him for that money. right. so i think there is a middle ground. i think this is ridiculous. you can't give this much money out. individuals and the people. it's undignified. to queue undignified. you have to queue up and you were a child

up and that you were a child mother. and if these individuals get 5 million, they must get these individuals might not be these individuals might not be the poorest citizens of something. so you don't know? i don't know how you do. however, i do think there needs to be a lot more done for black communities in america , which is communities in america, which is racist. i'm sorry, ali, i disagree with you in i think we've got all the diversity inclusion things. i think that should be happening in america. america needs and we're importing a lot of that structural issue structural the issue about structural the issue about structural racism is imported from america. but we are different from america. we know same story. we all as american america, you still do need to help fix the problem that was causes. however don't think you can go back to history and fix problems need to fix. it's not about if you sometimes putting that those greedy you said that with those greedy you said ali what would it do is it going to increase jobs? i agree. but if i lose my leg today i ask if i lose my leg today and i ask compensation, it's not going to bnng compensation, it's not going to bring leg back. but i want bring me my leg back. but i want to compensated. you were to be compensated. but you were talking great talking about your your great ancestors here. you're not

ancestors legs here. you're not talking legs on that talking about your legs on that basis. think you wasn't basis. do you think you wasn't affected? no, no, no, affected? no, no, no, no, but but lots of things may have affected me in. the fact that i get some money from. would i know you what me. know then you what about me. about slavery that's happening today. what about teenagers mining for lithium in the congo. you absolutely discuss and sorting out so where's the resources should go i would support ali is that they are lining up to say we can prove that we were part where does that we were part where does that stop then who gets it. i never the economists i said this there was a economist that said if all of the descendants of the because it's so many years now i agree it should have been ages ago. this is the only descendants now. it would completely and utterly bankrupt the west so no use to me the west. so that's no use to me because in west. so i because i'm in the west. so i agree doesn't financially because i'm in the west. so i agree doesokay,iancially because i'm in the west. so i agree doesokay,ianciifly because i'm in the west. so i agree doesokay,ianciif it can make sense. okay, but if it can happen, why not? i'll be like fascinating debate this all about opinions. what's yours market? my mom meets guest is one of the most experienced politicians in country. lord peter lilley served under

margaret thatcher and john major. what does he think of rishi sunak? is he happy with how brexit is playing ? he's off how brexit is playing? he's off to ten. next up , king charles to ten. next up, king charles have a budget coronation. we'll be asking a member of parliament. don't go anywhere .

well, a big three response to all debate about whether or not the city of san francisco in america right to pay descendants of slavery $5 million each by way of apology that is proposed legislation. susan says hi mark people never mentioned that african leaders sent out their own gangs into the villages to round up young black people were sold to the slave traders . also sold to the slave traders. also this from tim. hi, mark. do we get reparations from italy ? we get reparations from italy? we were enslaved by the romans . were enslaved by the romans. yes. this is clearly complex

issue that requires bit more reflection and certainly more debate . we'll return to that debate. we'll return to that very soon. no but let's move on now the coronation of king charles. the third, an historic occasion it will show the best of britain a wonderful ceremony and the steady guiding that is our constitu tional monarchy. our constitutional monarchy. plus, i think you'll agree it's brilliant theatre , but during brilliant theatre, but during these hard times of high inflation and the cost of living crisis, should king charles have a budget coronation? should do it on the cheap. i'm delighted to welcome to the program discuss this conservative mp for carl macartney . hello carl, how carl macartney. hello carl, how are you today ? i'm alright and are you today? i'm alright and good evening to you and to all your viewers and a belated new year to you. well, you too well, let's let's make it a good one. hopefully your government will will matter . and will help in that matter. and we'll have a good may we'll certainly have a good may , won't we? the coronation come what be wonderful occasion

what may be a wonderful occasion , should it be done on a budget i? i'm sure that will be budgetary considerations, but it shouldn't be done on a budget it's not like we have a coronation every year is it. it's not like we have a coronation every year is it . and coronation every year is it. and the last one we had was 70 years ago. so i think whatever it takes as far as i'm concerned, i think the vast majority the think the vast majority of the population, country will be population, this country will be very coronation . very happy. so a coronation. yeah sorry to interrupt you. the line is a little a little beset with gremlins. but do you not think, though that the spectacle, if it's to what planet could jar for many at home who is struggling to feed their families and heat their homes ? i think not just the homes? i think not just the king, but think all those people around on you can of the country situation at this point in time and though be all sorts of planning that's been taking place for quite some time is ongoing at this point in time and sure it won't be opulent but it will be it will be a spectacle fit for a king. of

course , and it will be course, and it will be a showcase of the uk for the rest of the world. what is in it for to us all of that money on on this ceremony? i mean, is it really just an advert for uk ? is really just an advert for uk? is that what we get out it all? are we getting bang for our buck ? we getting bang for our buck? i'm sure we be doing but that's it's not that's not the be end all it's a very traditional ceremony and it's something that is very important not just to those obviously personally involved but obviously to our nafion involved but obviously to our nation we still have a reason to king and our new king is obviously going to be coronated and that's something to celebrate. and i think the whole country will come together at that point time for that long that point in time for that long weekend we're going to have and weekend we're going to have and we yeah, it will be it will be a chance to the new reign of king charles third. but also obviously to show the millions and perhaps billions of viewers

around the world what the uk to offer . now, listen, it would be offer. now, listen, it would be remiss of me whilst you're here. call mccartney not to raise one or two political issues. first of all, your response to the prime minister forgetting to wear his seatbelts . well if you wear his seatbelts. well if you must raise some political issues, mark, then feel free. obviously yeah, we all make lapses at times. i'm in a very interesting sort . saw a video of interesting sort. saw a video of cirque keir starmer sitting in a taxi, i think it was without a seatbelt on having a make an apolitical video . he's apolitical video. he's apologised he's been fined by police, rightfully so . and i'm police, rightfully so. and i'm sure we'll move on. but it's, it's a mistake. i hope he and the people around him won't make again. he's made a mistake. but i don't think it's exactly the watergate scandal . you think our watergate scandal. you think our politics are getting increasingly trivial ? yeah, increasingly trivial? yeah, there's a lot of gotcha about things. isn't so. i think it is a little bit trivial. it's

obviously the safety concerns. and, you know, we have to lead by example as but we're all and i want to say in the heat of the moment but obviously it seems to a good time that they had perhaps a journey to do so we thought make the use thought we'd make the best use of a video to inform of it by doing a video to inform people to and people what he was up to and some messages that he wanted to get out there on social media. you're party chairman. you're party is only human to, of course . zahawi, the conservative course. zahawi, the conservative chairman and ex chancellor he's had to write a check to hmrc . had to write a check to hmrc. they've accepted that it was an oversight or a mistake . does he oversight or a mistake. does he stay in post? i would hope so. chris is a very good man and he's been a very successful man in business and obviously we see that by the amount of the money that's involved. but it's between him and hmrc and there's you , your previous guests and you, your previous guests and when it comes who i worked with 30 odd years ago drove around in my red trim spitfire around the streets of back in the early

nineties between employees and that's why i say as it is with everybody else in this country and we all have to do with tax returns and mpesa different we do our tax returns as well and hmrc at those investigate those that they want to and should taxpayers out then obviously the individuals need to pay that whether they be politicians or otherwise. sometimes those individuals didn't have been hmrc them back. some of the tax that they paid paid too much of the. that's obviously not the case of the dbs situation . yeah. case of the dbs situation. yeah. can rishi sunak win when you the next election help you secure your seat as the member of parliament for lincoln . well, parliament for lincoln. well, obviously i hope i'll be doing my best to ensure that i'm returned as the conservative candidate and as the conservative member of parliament. and we're doing the best of that. i had a great end to the week with levelling up

fund announced for lincoln of 20 million for a new bridge the railway to join tritton road to the wonder of the city that hasn't developed as yet so that's good for the city and good good for my constituents and come through to a and that's come through to a concert. a concert to concert. being a concert to government with a policy of levelling on levelling up. and that comes on top of other things, top of lots of other things, things the towns things like the towns fund, where sorts projects where all sorts of projects are going going across the going ahead, going across the city centre and the outskirts of lincoln as well too, to ensure that my constituents have the benefits of a conservative government . and if they wouldn't government. and if they wouldn't have voted for me in return me as the member of parliament. it seems a lifetime ago now it but just over three years ago. well you're absolutely right it's been a long three years. next time, on. you'll have to time, you're on. you'll have to tell more you tell us more about you ann widdecombe spitfire . but widdecombe and a spitfire. but for carl mccartney, thank for now, carl mccartney, thank you joining giving up you so forjoining us, giving up your time on a sunday nights . your time on a sunday nights. fascinating conversation . well, fascinating conversation. well, we've got more of that because my mop meets guest is lord peter

lilley, served under margaret thatcher and john major. but next, he might take it ten edinburgh removes old meat from school dinners. my response .

it's o'clock and this is mark dolan in might take it ten. in just a moment as the city of edinburgh premieres its old meat from school dinners i'll be asking why we're making children the guinea pigs. asking why we're making children the guinea pigs . this plant the guinea pigs. this plant based experiment . kids need a based experiment. kids need a square at lunchtime and that involves meat. my mark means guest is lord peter lilley, a icon and life peer who served as a cabinet minister in. the government to margaret thatcher and john major. in the news agenda with my panel should

couples that split up return being gauge meant ring and is the term mummy offensive? find out more on that shortly. plus tomorrow's papers at 1030. but first the headlines with tatiana . mark, thank. first the headlines with tatiana . mark, thank . this is the . mark, thank. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. police in la. are investigating two white vans believed to be connected to the suspect of . a connected to the suspect of. a mass shooting in california . mass shooting in california. police have said the suspect is believed to be asian and aged between 30 and 50 years old should be considered armed and. dangerous. at least ten people were killed when a gunman opened fire at a lunar new year festival in the city monterey park near los angeles . ten park near los angeles. ten others were also injured in the attack , and at least one of attack, and at least one of those is in a critical. the la. county says his team are doing all they can to try to identify all they can to try to identify a body found in one of the vans.

i want to address also that there is a tactical incident. that's occurring in the city of torrance that is being covered. people asked is that your suspect . we don't know. we suspect. we don't know. we believe there is a person inside of that . we don't know their of that. we don't know their condition . but we're going to condition. but we're going to handle that in. the safest manner that we possibly can to try and identify that person . a try and identify that person. a cabinet minister has told gb news nadhim zahawi, has the prime minister following allegations about his tax affairs. the conservative have party chairman admitted he a settlement with hmrc , believed settlement with hmrc, believed to be almost settlement with hmrc, believed to be almost £5 million, following an error over a multi—million and pound shareholding in the polling . shareholding in the polling. yougov. labour has called his position untenable , but foreign position untenable, but foreign secretary james cleverly says he

believes mr. has paid his taxes . if i know more details than what he has already put the pubuc what he has already put the public domain, i don't think it would be right or proper for me to, you know, to distract or guess about any further details about his tax affairs. but you know, he has been a successful entrepreneur building a company which has paid tax, employing people who , have paid taxes, and people who, have paid taxes, and he has himself paid tax and considered the amount because he's been successful , at least he's been successful, at least 380 migrants have arrived in uk on ten small boats overnight, making it the busiest day of channel crossings so far this year. channel crossings so far this year . gb news channel crossings so far this year. gb news understands. channel crossings so far this year. gb news understands . a few year. gb news understands. a few other small boats have also set off this morning, but they haven't made it to the uk. the boats were monitored by french naval vessels only intervene if the migrants get difficulties. today's bring the total number of those crossing the channel this year to , 530. tv online and

this year to, 530. tv online and dab+ radio . this is gb news. now dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to mark dolan tonight thanks, tatyana. we'll see you in an hour. welcome to mark dolan . tonight, big stories, big dolan. tonight, big stories, big guests , always big opinions in guests, always big opinions in news agenda with my panel. should couples that split up return the engagement ring or do you keep everything and? is the term married mummy ? the term term married mummy? the term mummy? that's right. so we'll discuss that later. find out more as to why some people are bothered . it quite triggered bothered. it quite triggered plus tomorrow's papers exactly 1030 sharp with full panel reaction and my mark meets guest live the studio is lord peter a political icon life peer who has served as cabinet minister under the governments of both margaret thatcher and john major. looking forward to that loss to get through a busy hour to come. but

first, my take . at ten. if you first, my take. at ten. if you thought school dinners weren't bad enough as it is the great city of edinburgh is to deprive five school aged children of proper protein by remove meats from their plates . the city has from their plates. the city has voted adopt a plant based treaty, including a pledge to remove all meat from those in hospitals, schools and nursing homes. and they will enjoy a vegan menu as the male newspaper drily points out, vegan menu as the male newspaper drily points out , move vegan menu as the male newspaper drily points out, move comes days before burns night. the centrepiece of which is haggis traditionally made from a sheep's liver lung , heart and sheep's liver lung, heart and intestines . and this is intestines. and this is scotland. we're talking about one of the most beautiful countries in the world, which boasts some of the very natural produce aberdeen angus beef, succulent scotch lamb and of

course, the ultimate delicacy, the sausage . well, whoever the sausage. well, whoever thought of taking meat of children's menus is a silly sausage themselves . it's my view sausage themselves. it's my view that we all need meat to thrive and survive , including in and survive, including in hospitals and, nursing homes. but it's true for children they are growing. so they need the amino acids in to make that happen. amino acids in to make that happen . meat is a so—called happen. meat is a so—called complete protein. naturally easily absorbed by the body for optimum nutrition for schools in the city of to go plant based will turn children into vegetables . how can they vegetables. how can they concentrate all long and learn on diet of couscous, broccoli and bean sprouts? now the city of edinburgh will no doubt that this policy will reduce carbon emissions curtail animal cruelty and that the children will get that protein and a fabulous square from a plant based . the

square from a plant based. the meals even be quite tasty . many meals even be quite tasty. many would argue that plant based is in fact healthier meats. i know plenty of vegans who tell me they feel brilliant . but if they feel brilliant. but if i was a parents of an edinburgh child who was there picking away at at a soy or a couple of beyond rushes of bacon , it would beyond rushes of bacon, it would leave a bad taste in my . beyond rushes of bacon, it would leave a bad taste in my. in my view, the sign to fit case for meat in children is overwhelming. don't my word for its just a year ago research has found that children aged 5 to 10 who ate plant based diets are on average three centimetres shorter than those who eat meats . their bones were also smaller and less strong, putting the children at risk of fractures or in later . the study by in later. the study by university college, london's great ormond street institute of child health , said vegan child health, said vegan children should given vitamin

b12 and, vitamin d supplements to reduce potentially long term consequences of being raised on plants . there you go, folks. plants. there you go, folks. a diet so good you need supplements . diet so good you need supplements. i believe diet so good you need supplements . i believe that the supplements. i believe that the rise in plant based is nothing more than a gold rush for the processed food industry and. whatever happened to parental choice in this whole matter? if my kids went to an edinburgh school , they'd be going in with school, they'd be going in with sauce cheese smuggled in their socks , steaks smuggled their socks, steaks smuggled their sneakers and, a leg of lamb in their long johns. let's stop being guinea pigs in this plant experiment. after all, if you don't fight for their rights to eat meats, you'll be . this move eat meats, you'll be. this move from city of edinburgh is hard to stomach . it's time now for to stomach. it's time now for mark meats, in which i speak. the biggest names in the world

of politics sport, showbiz and beyond . tonight, the right beyond. tonight, the right honourable . the lord lilley . honourable. the lord lilley. peter lilley, one of the most experienced politicians in the country who sat in the house of commons, a member of parliament for over three decades, from 1983 to 2017. and in that time he served as a cabinet minister . the governments of both margaret thatcher and john major as trade and industry secretary and social secretary, respective ali. he has been a long time of the european union and backed brexit in 2016 and in may 2018 he was nominated for a peerage in the house of lords where he sits to this day. lord lilley, peter lily welcome to good to be here for having me. lovely to have you on the program. a great privilege as well. as i mentioned before we went on air i watched you with keen interest as a politics student in the in the nineties was edinburgh uni the nineties i was edinburgh uni by where got by the way where we still got a proper based in those days.

proper meat based in those days. i suspect if you'd said anything too nice about me in your essays you've been marked down and i certainly wouldn't wouldn't have got that coveted to so pizza let's let's get started why did you politics in the first place. i was always fascinated politics as a child for no obvious reason my parents weren't at all political and didn't didn't think it would be possible to get into parliament. it was a sort of something i dreamt of, but assumed you had to be born into the sort of familiar into the right sort of familiar family connections . family and have connections. then at university i saw people ahead of me the slightly older cambridge generation people like, you know, course like, well, you know, of course the tail end of it, the cambridge tail end of it, michael howards came norman, the mount king clerk. and so and i always they were truly self—confident i couldn't quite do well as them so i didn't do anything but i thought it must be possible to do better and to venture out. so they were making progress and i thought well, actually in this country it is a free if you really want free country if you really want to in parliament and you're not

entirely stupid. indeed, some people who are entirely stupid, you can get in if you're determined enough. so it took me a long time. i didn't it until i was nearly 40. but did you contest tottenham in 74? i did i fought tottenham and tottenham fought tottenham and tottenham fought back rights? yes, but that would have been a good political education. would political education. i would have it was mostly have thought it was mostly a laboun have thought it was mostly a labour. a labour stronghold. absolutely, indeed . i wonder absolutely, indeed. i wonder what shaped your your political outlook ? was it your parents? outlook? was it your parents? was it your upbringing? was it just life in the seventies ? i just life in the seventies? i think well, that was my think it was well, that was my views were sort of naturally conservative, even when i was a child, even though can remember asking my father, what were we when i heard there was a difference between labour conservative? when conservative? and he said, when i really he'd been a i think really that he'd been a radical before the war but fought in the and just sort fought in the navy and just sort of him reckon while taking of made him reckon while taking in and but they didn't in country and but they didn't any strong political views did my mother thought politics was the most thing you could possibly and when i finally became an mp she was

simultaneously very proud , said simultaneously very proud, said to her friends, isn't it a shame he can't be an mp without being a politician? yes, indeed. i mean, that's a rare breed, isn't it? and if you're going to do that, you probably won't get far, will you? you certainly won't no , i'm. what won't get into the no, i'm. what about the seventies and you know, the how life was. i mean how bad was it for britain in the seventies , you know, pre the seventies, you know, pre thatcher 75 and then leading up to the winter of discontent in 78 into 79. well it was very grim indeed . we had the three grim indeed. we had the three day week when you know we have problems now. but when there wasn't enough electricity to the industry going for more than three days a week, that was pretty disaster was my not wife . i didn't know her but she had to run a clothing business in those days when the you know you could only get staff in the days you had the electricity, you run the sewing and so on and you had to keep them there as long as possible so that was a disaster. then you had strikes in a whole

range of things you had. we were the slowest growing country in europe, country in europe europe, major country in europe for combination of state control of industry , had more of industry, had more nationalised industries the most we had a higher rate of inflation the most we had high level of unemployment the most and we had strikes and disorder inflation the twenties inflation out in the twenties over % 25. and then of course the over% 25. and then of course the pay over% 25. and then of course the pay rises were going in a similar direction. what they harold wilson to 15, 20, 25% pay rise. well we had to even though we'd move to total control by the state of every price salary dividend in the economy . and dividend in the economy. and actually that's when i got to know geoffrey howe who's the minister prices and consumer affairs , and he said he realised affairs, and he said he realised the whole thing was mad when he was asked as a minister to decide on the price . a charity decide on the price. a charity ticket to fete outside cambridge . and you can't run an economy that we have scrapple that

return to a free economy and control inflation controlling the money supply and monetary and the purse something we ought to have remembered during the cold issue. indeed well what sir let's let's develop that. what is your appraisal of the covid response ? the lockdowns and the response? the lockdowns and the other measures that we saw? well they were a huge mistake, but was compounded , but know it was was compounded, but know it was sort of understandable that. you might be so of what this disease for a few weeks to that you would have to look at but once you decided a lockdown and stopped people working the bank of england said oh that's crazy the recession do you do in recessions you print lots of to, money get out of it. but this was recession ever was the first recession ever that caused by suppressing that was caused by suppressing supply, not inadequate demand . supply, not inadequate demand. so when they opened up again , so when they opened up again, there was too much money in the economy. and that's created the subsequent inflation . it's made subsequent inflation. it's made a worse by the ukraine war, a bit worse by the ukraine war, but it would have happened anyway. and do you would anyway. yes. and do you would you sort say that actually

you sort of say that actually the response from government the response from the government was unconcern ? because if was quite unconcern? because if you to the swedish you look to the swedish approach, it was to give citizens the information about the virus , let them know that the virus, let them know that here's risk and you can wear a mask or you don't have wear mask or you don't have to wear a mask, to work, don't go to mask, go to work, don't go to work. it individual work. but it was individual choice, self—determination responsibility for your own or we have taken that route we should have done certainly with the benefit of hindsight and even at the time there were plenty of people saying that actually, to his credit boris, his initial design and it's not to lockdown but to do it and the sort of basic game plan was that you couldn't control diseases by locking and they eventually bounced into it by absurd projections that we'd all be dead three times over and they took the decision to lockdown . took the decision to lockdown. and that became the new norm the doctrine and he knew variant came along all means lockdown again and again boris did take

the decision to end lockdown earlier than most other countries . yeah which was a you countries. yeah which was a you know of the things you can be proud you served under margaret thatcher would she have followed it to sage in the same way that bofis it to sage in the same way that boris johnson did ? she wouldn't boris johnson did? she wouldn't for two reasons. one, her personality and the other. she was by training , and was a scientist by training, and she'd have challenged these so—called who were so—called scientists who were simply, you know drawing a line through a few points and extrapolating into the middle distance , and she'd have distance, and she'd have challenged it. that was her great. she did. she loved to argue and she tested any proposal , a argue and she tested any proposal, a policy by arguing to destruction people thought she was being arrogant. she wasn't was being arrogant. she wasn't was seeing whether you've got any comeback, if you could respond to her arguments and convince her that you were right, she was wrong, she take your policies on board and. she'd have given a really tough time to those scientists who trying to urge lockdowns as much for political reasons or for any scientific reason. i think a

devastating appraisal that i find it hard to disagree with lord peter lilley, who returns in just a couple of minutes more about what it was like serving under margaret . also the major under margaret. also the major as well. what does lord lilley make of rishi sunak ? can we sort make of rishi sunak? can we sort out the northern ireland protocol ? does he have brexit protocol? does he have brexit bias, regret and will we have a crack now the issue of illegal immigration , all of that to immigration, all of that to come. lord peter lilley, live in the studio. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to mark dolan. tonight, the papers in a few minutes, but still with me one of the most experienced politicians in the country , a politicians in the country, a man who served in the cabinets under margaret thatcher and john lord, peter lily . so, peter, lord, peter lily. so, peter, let's talk about margaret . you let's talk about margaret. you caught the tail end of her prime

ministerial as trade industry set coterie. so you served under her for a few months, but you knew her well in of that? yes, i somehow come to her attention before i even got into parliament and she's late, late seventies , early eighties, and seventies, early eighties, and she came and had lunch with my senior partner firm where i was a part of why i wasn't at that stage. but and said, could you second peter to research problems ? he can write speeches problems? he can write speeches and policy papers and my best no actually we him and she and her forceful way said what can you do a deal half his time for me and half you three and a half days a week for you and a half days a week for you and a half days a week for you and a half days a week for me. she assumed everybody worked seven day week in end a sort of compromise was worked where worked for worked out where i worked for her evenings and weekends her in the evenings and weekends and i to work firm during the day what know about day and what do you know about margaret thatcher that we don't 7 margaret thatcher that we don't ? well i've said beforehand how she tests an idea by arguing against it and if you went to

her as when i got into parliament i was used to it. but when i got into parliament, her close supporters, the no turning back group , invited her to back group, invited her to dinner to discuss a policy paper we produced. she to dinner and she it shreds and we came she tore it shreds and we came back with counterarguments. she them came back with them to shreds came back with counterarguments and she counterarguments and then she left everybody stunned . left and everybody was stunned. this what she says that this is true what she says that what she's what they about her she's arrogant. listen so arrogant. she doesn't listen so on.andi arrogant. she doesn't listen so on. and i said, but we won the argument they that makes it argument they said that makes it worse. won worse. i said, we won the argument. knows the argument. she knows we won the argument. she knows we won the argument. going back argument. she's not going back to held my officials he to give held my officials he gave a bad briefing and she took on policy ideas but. on board our policy ideas but. she often left the impression she wasn't listening but she was she wasn't listening but she was she wasn't listening but she was she was testing see if it was a goodidea. she was testing see if it was a good idea . no, no. and if you goodidea.no,no.andifyou your good idea. no, no. and if you your arguments were persuasive , your arguments were persuasive, she took them on board. and that's a very good way of governing. she possibly could doneitin governing. she possibly could done it in a slightly more familiar tone so that people didn't feel hurt, but never take a border policy until you really

looked at every conceivable . and looked at every conceivable. and then when you've sorted and it's strong, you know , problems that strong, you know, problems that you're going to face then put 100% of your weight behind it. and she did that with incredible energy and commitment. and she did that with incredible energy and commitment . and energy and commitment. and that's why she was so successful and she was a tough boss. but you served under her and then you served under her and then you you served under john major you you served underjohn major as the social security secretary for five years. so a substantial cabinet career and now the country face is parallel challenges that thatcher faced in 79. luckily low unemployment but high inflation and cost of living crisis and also massive debt. living crisis and also massive debt . so rishi living crisis and also massive debt. so rishi sunak is he the man to tackle these problems. what's your judgement of sunak? is he a good prime minister? i think he is . i is he a good prime minister? i think he is. i think just in the privacy of this room i if i were asked to offer him advice, i'd say the one thing you need to learn from mrs. thatcher is to have far in your belly. he is very like her. he's cautious. he

looks at problems in great detail before . he commits detail before. he commits himself. but once he's committed himself, he needs to show more enthusiasm for what he's doing and sound less like the family accountant. your family has an account? yeah, it does. it does so i think he's. and i think he'll learn that he's been there a few weeks. do you think. he's got the character, the backbone thatcher did, because that's the ultimate quality that's needed at this moment, isn't it? because he's going to have to battle the unions and he's going to have face down many to have to face down many interest in order to interest groups in order to pursue his vision for the economy . well, that's judging by economy. well, that's judging by an high standard. an incredibly high standard. mrs. the greatest mrs. thatcher was the greatest peacetime minister we've peacetime prime minister we've ever suspect this since ever had. i suspect this since lord at turn the lord salisbury at the turn the century us. but he's is century before us. but he's is undoubtedly the best person we've got in the political spectrum. i think to run the country at the moment . and it's country at the moment. and it's a shame that we that interlude where he wasn't elected that he was a wee a bit ahead of game if

that hadn't occurred . but no that hadn't occurred. but no he's a very good very , very nice he's a very good very, very nice man . and once he's got fire in man. and once he's got fire in the belly, i think he'll climbing up the opinion polls. you've been a euro sceptic for decades. how do you feel brexit going and can that northern ireland protocol be resolved ? ireland protocol be resolved? well, the ultimate purpose brexit was to take back control of our laws so that we can mould them to our own needs . will them to our own needs. will either do that well or badly. the trouble is not that we've doneit the trouble is not that we've done it well or badly, but haven't done enough of it. we've only just started , begun to. only just started, begun to. we've the financial services we've got the financial services markets bill this week, which is reforming the rules of our biggest industry to shed some of the weight that the european put on it and make us back competitive with new york , hong competitive with new york, hong kong trade and singapore . we kong trade and singapore. we before that we had the precision and reading bill sounds very technical it supported not only

by the agricultural industry but all the other parties which will enable our industry to use the process as developed in our laboratories to , breed plants, laboratories to, breed plants, precision design for what we need and that was banned in europe but give a head start there so things beginning to happen slow too late but they're moving in the right direction. even things like you remember about a and a half ago we had that great shortage of lorry drivers. where's it all gone ? drivers. where's it all gone? partly because we changed half dozen rules that we couldn't have changed. we'd been in the eu, plus people put up lorry drivers and that's, you know, that basic crisis is so you don't have any buyer's remorse whatsoever. what about that protocol? i mean, that's another test of rishi sunak's political backbone, isn't it? is and i'm worried when i hear talk some sort of half baked compromise that doesn't replace it was a temporary agreement. the eu said

they couldn't enter into a permanent agreement on trade under article 50. when we left . under article 50. when we left. that had to be done after we left. but they put that thing the other 50 departure terms to deal with the possibility there wouldn't be any trade between us and eu and to ensure there weren't any problems at the border. right. we do want any infrastructural controls the border and we've got to help the eu protect , its own market from eu protect, its own market from any goods which we don't regulate in the same way as they do. we can do that quite easily by simply passing a law saying it is illegal to export from northern ireland any goods which don't conform to eu standards and regulations , and we wouldn't and regulations, and we wouldn't have to enforce it at the border force. it all export controls when we have export controls on quite a lot of things at the point of despatch and the factory that makes it or in the warehouse that sends it where there's a will, there's a way where there's a will, there's a way and there's opportunity. and

that basic idea was put forward by former general of the eu , he by former general of the eu, he knows about eu law and a couple of professors of european law , of professors of european law, one american, one italian and out of hand by the eu , even out of hand by the eu, even though it had such impeccable eu credentials. we've just got to stand up to them and say sorry. you said the original agreement is temporary we're calling a close on that and we want to do something which is we will protect your interests, we'll protect your interests, we'll protect interests of ireland, of peace. there but we're not going to divide our own into imagine if america is suddenly told that any goods going from the east coast, a west coast of america up to alaska, had to go through canada and control the boats. good luck with that. yeah oh, from france to corsica i had to go through and it just wouldn't happen. it's a great injustice for the of northern ireland. we've got the papers coming. the clock's against us. lord peter lilley, talk to you all lilley, we could talk to you all nights can . i nights briefly if you can. i won't hold you to this, but it's crystal ball time. the dates ,

crystal ball time. the dates, the outcome of the next election . so today. well, i don't mean if it was today, but we two years max. well, then it won't be the latest. it can be is january 2025. but there's a baficin january 2025. but there's a basic in british politics. the government of the day calls an election in the first thursday in the last year when ahead in the opinion polls and it's probably to be quite late before we're high enough and they've been imposed to risk falling election so it will be at the whether we're not will win i don't know it's really if we happen tomorrow we lose brilliant lord peter lilley do come and see us again soon. most fascinating thank fascinating conversation. thank you up of you for. giving up a chunk of your sunday night to tell us about your remarkable career. lord many lots to come. lord peter, many lots to come. next up, we've got the papers and some quite sparkling front pages. let me tell you. don't anywhere .

it's time as always on a sunday night for tomorrow's front pages. and we start with the guardian. let's take a look at what they're leading with. and we have britain forecast to reach £1 trillion export target for 15 years late in. the wake of brexit ministers have been accused of leaving a record of failure and, broken promises as internal forecasts show britain will be years late in achieving its 1 trillion annual export after being hit by brexit projections from the department for international trade show the value of uk exports will not reach a trillion until 2035, based on trends with the total due to fall to 707 billion next year. due to fall to 707 billion next year . also zahawi pressure grows year. also zahawi pressure grows over tax affairs and faces

claims over bbc appointment bofis claims over bbc appointment boris johnson , who made an boris johnson, who made an appearance in ukraine today , is appearance in ukraine today, is facing conflict of interest allegation over his choice of tory donor richard sharp as bbc whilst he was in number 10, dogged by and he's not even the prime minister the daily mail next shocking rise of something nothing britain britain's are more dependent on the state than before. according to a bombshell report . for the first time, more report. for the first time, more than half of households, 36 million people get more from the government than they pay in tax . this is up from 24 million or 2/5 of household households . 2/5 of household households. when tony blair was in power. the daily telegraph grid ready to pay customers to off households would be for cutting electricity use as temperatures plummet . all say also, johnson plummet. all say also, johnson weighs in over tanks for ukraine. johnson visits a town in ukraine where he called for european nations to give all the tools that ukraine needs win. in

a strong hint to germany let's go to the metro now bbc c boris thank chum boris johnson has popped up thank chum boris johnson has popped up in war torn ukraine as yet another sleaze row erupts after a friend said to have helped in a loan of up to £800,000 when he was prime minister was handed a top bbc job also sun now exclusive judge fury britain's got talent pay amanda and alicia won't sign deals over bruno cash. britain's got talent judges amanda holden, alesha dixon refusing to sign new contracts in a pay row over bruno tony oni, the long serving , are furious that the newcomers matches their own said to be wait for it 850 grands. and last but not least, the daily star fury at price rises taking the ps . greedy food firms are fury at price rises taking the ps. greedy food firms are being accused of cashing in on the cost living crisis by hiking pnces cost living crisis by hiking prices despite making massive profits . tesco boss hits out big

profits. tesco boss hits out big hikes greedy owners cashing in. we're being taken for a ride. say the star and ain't that the truth . are your front pages . truth. are your front pages. let's get reaction to tomorrow's papers right through until 11:00 now with my fantasy sticker panel we have a sigil kirstie alley mirage and lynn may. panel we have a sigil kirstie alley mirage and lynn may . okay. alley mirage and lynn may. okay. well, look , let's get straight well, look, let's get straight it. this really caught eye. lin mei shocking rise of something for nothing. britain over half of households get more the state than they pay in tax . surely than they pay in tax. surely that's not right. that's a broken , isn't it? doesn't feel broken, isn't it? doesn't feel like it for me. broken, isn't it? doesn't feel like it for me . you always give like it for me. you always give more than you take. so your nature . i think it's a given. if nature. i think it's a given. if we look at the climate we're in at the moment, you're going have people that even would be considered to be on fairly a decent wage having to turn to the government in some way, shape so i think be

shape or form. so i think to be this is just a non—starter conversation. the system , we conversation. the system, we shouldn't rely on it, but it's there a safety net for people to be able to i wouldn't say entirely rely on but to be assisted even when it comes to everyone get this support when it comes to energy that's not just some people. have just some people. so they have to factor that into the deal. i mean disagree disagree with mean i disagree disagree with lynne there. think this is lynne there. i think this is a shocker and it's proof the state is now too big. i don't shocker and it's proof the state is now too big . i don't know. is now too big. i don't know. see the is it's like we always do this just like typical daily mail kind of article really. it's benefit it's like it's benefit scroungers as the insights scroungers and as the insights that there is there are people who are working and having to claim, but also no one said anything about all money that was given as during the was given out as during the pandemic to people who work and who could work. that's they didn't need to claim, but they claimed and that's never claimed it. and that's never been it's always been talked about. it's always going of going down to the bottom of society we probably do society. we probably didn't do need it. i yes. probably very hard . have half a society. no, hard. have half a society. no, no, no they not helping society. hard. have half a society. no, no, you hey not helping society. hard. have half a society. no, no, you can't.t helping society. hard. have half a society. no, no, you can't. youlping society. hard. have half a society. no, no, you can't. you but; society. hard. have half a society. no, no, you can't. you but i society. hard. have half a society. no, no, you can't. you but i thinky. no, you can't. you but i think it's as as i think it's.

it's not as as i think it's. what about population as well. we've got an ageing population and said oftentimes we and like you said oftentimes we go to like the benefits treaty conversation. but what about those state pension and so on and so forth? disability that could be large percentage of it because we are living longer. well, we can debate the whys and wherefores, but it's a problem, ali. i think the biggest ali. well i think the biggest problem that we are mortgaging our children's grandchildren's futures to pay for this massive expenditures. we've got going on now. we spend 400 billion on the pandemic . i understand why we pandemic. i understand why we did think the furlough did it. i think the furlough scheme necessary in right scheme was necessary in right thing do. but now got thing to do. but now we've got a war on in ukraine and we're having to subsidise people's energy bills. heaven knows how long continue long that's going to continue and to pay and we're going to have to pay for somehow. think taxes for it somehow. so i think taxes have already up to much have already gone up to a much well, that's that's that's the issue people don't want to pay tax. i mean even this whole discussion that happened about the national insurance for the nhs had a heart attack nhs everyone had a heart attack about 1.25% increase and then we've got a crisis social care

you can't get something for nothing you've tax nothing. you've got to tax people according to accordingly. you've grow pie you've also got to grow the pie . so you got to get the balance right. doesn't close, though. . so you got to get the balance right. think n't close, though. . so you got to get the balance right. think there's e, though. do you think there's enough growth? well we're not going to get to be get good is going to be realistic in this realistic then in this environment, just cut environment, you can't just cut taxes. truss, how taxes. liz truss, you saw how the markets reacted that. i the markets reacted to that. i know fan still . i don't know you're a fan still. i don't really see those trust at all do that. really see those trust at all do that . bring really see those trust at all do that. bring back quasi. yes indeed.i that. bring back quasi. yes indeed. i didn't like the way it was rolled out. it was too soon. it was too. but i do like the put well you know i remember talking about it at the time the imf after the departure of liz truss number 10 and of course that to emerge the budget the imf said there will be a deeper recession in the uk as a result of the fact that taxes will not come down but arguably jeremy hunfs come down but arguably jeremy hunt's got a point that the international bond markets had stopped trusting brits and he had to win back that trust. yep. otherwise we would have paid a high so kind of high price. so i kind of accepted these measures. i would like to see taxes come down at

some overall this is some point, but overall this is not good metric, is it, that over half the population take more they give ? yeah. well, more than they give? yeah. well, what would you suggest though? well, i would suggest that there many millions of people who are of working age who don't work who , do not participate in the who, do not participate in the economy , i think they could be economy, i think they could be encouraged to it in the ocean go out to work well particularly of over fifties well as well because this something where you've got apparently 9 million people that that that could actually contribute to the economy which are not doing so and you've got hundreds of thousands of over fifties have left the workforce during the pandemic for various reasons they enough they didn't like they had enough they didn't like their jobs . they they had enough they didn't like theirjobs . they had sort of theirjobs. they had a sort of a moment during that during the lies, when they thought they wanted to do something different. but that causing different. but that is causing an now for an economic issue. right now for us government's to get us and the government's to get them encouraging them to them back by encouraging them to keep benefits if keep some of their benefits if they various they go back or just various other mechanisms could do the same thing applies to people are claiming benefits .

claiming disability benefits. the government to try and the government wants to try and allow but allow them to claim them, but still into work. but i would like to know figures like obviously it's just like the sweeping of statement . what sweeping kind of statement. what proportion of the over fifties claim, what proportion is up to 25 claim. so just to get an idea of where that of people are not working oh even surely over 50,000 will claiming with the issue that they've got is that a lot of people have to have done their calculations based on the fact that they can retire now and not work actually in and not work maybe actually in for rude surprise for a really rude surprise and a shock. for a really rude surprise and a shock . we're all living longer, shock. we're all living longer, as you said . you go out 30 as you said. you go out 30 years. you mean you might be living pauper because you've living a pauper because you've miscalculated? i mean, it's a long time. 50 not very old at long time. 50 is not very old at the moment. retiring the moment. be retiring to potentially live till 80 or even necessarily . do you think the necessarily. do you think the pandemic compounded ? but i pandemic has compounded? but i agree because i was agree with ali because i was against lockdowns. but if going to lock people down first, it was the right do because was the right to do because you're telling people not to go to work bars it it inflated in

people's minds the idea of just how much the state can do and it normalised the idea of the state paying normalised the idea of the state paying you to stay. i will agree with that. i agree with with that. i will agree with that. i obviously, some us that. i mean, obviously, some us didn't the clyde didn't benefit from the clyde or any will agree any of those. so i will agree with that. i think that there has been a different shift that i think has happened and that's worrying because it's an illusion, isn't it ? we don't illusion, isn't it? we don't have the money to do that. but also there is a there's also an annoyance . the state the state annoyance. the state the state is actually our enemy. and so when they are screwing up. i do think probably part of like sticking it to the man is part kind of motivating especially the older ones. i think to think well i'm not i don't need to think what's my life to do . i think what's my life to do. i think what's my life to do. i think a lot of young people are seeing constant headlines whenever they have been exaggerate, or that the exaggerate, it or not, that the government have , you know, government have, you know, sparked man the wall or sparked this man up the wall or in track and trace or can't recoup the 4 billion lost or it's like, well, what if just wasting the money? why should we have and do whatever have to go and do whatever fighting. and i think the

fighting. yeah and i think the conservative government failed to have a lot of accountability when it comes. everyone's when it comes. so everyone's like, well paul solution i like, i solutions , okay like i'm i like solutions, okay like i'm a girl . here we i like solutions, okay like i'm a girl. here we go . a solutions girl. here we go. austerity 2.0. what we do , we austerity 2.0. what we do, we simply reduce government spending. that's how we fix way. wait, wait, wait, wait . we can wait, wait, wait, wait. we can make those cuts. well that's the million dollar question. education nhs. i think the nhs costs , too much money, it's costs, too much money, it's called the. oh i used to poll thinking sajid javid then we should pay for the sticking points. not just right to slash the throat of the sacred cow and to raise the nhs. the throat of the sacred cow and to raise the nhs . i agree that to raise the nhs. i agree that look, i think the whole issue about co—pay and so contributory payments is something that to be looked at. the fact is we have the nhs is a national religion for us it's beyond the pale in terms of any sort of reason, discussion all we pay too much deference to it . it's not deference to it. it's not working. it's taking 44% of our day to day government spending a huge amount. it was like 20 some

, like ten years ago. i mean, we continue at this rate, it needs to be reformed. okay. well that debate will continue. fascinating conversation, i think you'll agree, a diversity opinion. that's what this show is all about . what's yours? is all about. what's yours? market gb news uk. greg, what have you got next. yeah, what have you got next. yeah, what have we got? do a shoutout. let's tell people what's coming . yeah, got more papers .

we've more papers. by the way, a warm welcome to brand new director on mark dolan tonight who i think you'll agree is knocking out of the park. if you ever seen such technically perfect show . all those perfect show. all those junctions and the way she's going to do more of that now, because could you give me the times newspaper, please , and times newspaper, please, and their front page, see? see how good she national to pay good she is national grid to pay household for not turning the kettle on universities risky

ties to the express boris back on the front line ex—pm lauded as a true friend on surprise trip to show solidarity with the ukraine and last but not least, the daily mirror useful guide for the tories on money pay your taxes a car, wear a seatbelt , taxes a car, wear a seatbelt, need a loan, go to a bank. they still don't get it. there you go. i've got to say pretty good satirical , satirical front page satirical, satirical front page from the mirror. and i would say well done to their team . that well done to their team. that one, lizzie buchan and, the editorial team at the mirror. the mirror, always a good read. let's look at the i now as well. last but least , energy firms last but not least, energy firms hit at prepay metre band hit back at prepay metre band with a of higher bills. we've also got the express know we've we've done we've done the express there you go brilliant stuff those plenty more of your front pages still with me reacting to the big stories of the day. i'm delighted to . we the day. i'm delighted to. we have got sajida kureishi . let me have got sajida kureishi. let me tell you about sajida she has a hit podcast called dead good.

and it's all about bereavement andifs and it's all about bereavement and it's moving but funny as well. just like sajida, dead good and she stars in what happens to free speech and raw guts at the leicester comedy festival on the 10th of february. meanwhile while we've also got ali meraj, political commentator and i would never normally plug a rival, you are doing a show on lbc and because you're such a friend of the show i'm going to mention when it's on it's four till 7:04 am. till 7 am. very early on saturday and sunday morning. so do give it a listen. and last but not least, purely herself and her genius writer broadcaster lynn. there we are. okay, folks let's have a look at some more of these stories. lynn, what do you think about the idea of the national grid paying you money for not switching on the kettle 7 for not switching on the kettle ? sounds doesn't it ? for not switching on the kettle ? sounds doesn't it? i'm ? sounds good, doesn't it? i'm kind of balanced on this one because i think if people moaning about this, you're hardly even okay. so if it could help, fair enough. but then i

think why should we have to do that? they should sort out their how they do things. why should we have to pay for not? why should i off the heating? should i turn off the heating? it feels a little inco hearing, doesn't does, yeah . i doesn't it? it does, yeah. but i suppose in some ways there's a logic to i mean, they're saying that as temperatures are expected to plummet to minus two , ramping up pressure on britain's power , the operator is britain's power, the operator is planning ask consumers to use planning to ask consumers to use less electricity to help it manage supplies . so are we just manage supplies. so are we just like doing our bit to help? like i if there's actual case i said, if there's actual case for it and it can help, i see no issues with it. we won't even nofice issues with it. we won't even notice it. i think people are going to complain just because they complain. they want to complain. i mean, i'm just to freeze i'm tempted just to freeze to death there in the death at home, sit there in the hot to in. am out hot check to come in. i am out so money because i don't so much money because i don't put my heating until 6:00 and i'm literally my fingerless i'm literally with my fingerless gloves fagan with i'm literally with my fingerless gl0'black fagan with i'm literally with my fingerless gl0'black boy fagan with i'm literally with my fingerless gl0'black boy doingzagan with i'm literally with my fingerless gl0'black boy doing the n with i'm literally with my fingerless gl0'black boy doing the wrong my black boy doing the wrong step to go, oh , i'm cold. and so step to go, oh, i'm cold. and so i'm owed a lot of money, guys. so if you can get in touch with me, i've doing this . tell me, i've been doing this. tell me, i've been doing this. tell

me about this rules. there is no heat six. no heat heat till six. yeah, no heat till six. and so basically will because can last because i think if i can last see evening i really do see in the evening i really do need and you know, need my hot meal and you know, just to be warm. what are your family think of this rather brutal. me on my own. it's brutal. it's me on my own. it's been such one income household sun first. so he becomes sun comes first. so he becomes when in i have to put when he comes in i have to put the heat on because he's such a winger. it goes back what you winger. it goes back to what you said, austerity. said, though, austerity. we should too should all be working this. too many working. yes many people not working. yes we're shouldn't we're all working. we shouldn't be anyway. it's from be at home anyway. it's from home. well, we need we already we should be back in the office to help the local economy. so therefore should be in the office. am not in with that . office. i am not in with that. the agreement that i like being important of chalmers and not having to what makes me nervous okay because i think pre—pandemic i'd sort of think this is a nice little agreement a contract between the citizen the state or in this case the citizen the corporation which is you know, i kindly request to use less energy so we can get through winter. but of course in

the pandemic we learned quite swiftly that. what starts as a suggestion becomes , an suggestion becomes, an instruction, it gets coercive . instruction, it gets coercive. so does this pave the way for future energy tyranny? oh we're giving them a footing. so they way it might be. but i think we've got to recognise the that there is a war going on in europe unfortunately and that's continuing. and you've got a situation where gas to the nordstrom, one pipeline to europe has been cut off. we're going to have to do something on the demand side. you've already seen mass of changes in demand . seen mass of changes in demand. germany been much more germany they have been much more assiduous dealing with this than we so bit late to the we so we're a bit late to the party here. no one to do party here. no one wants to do this, we didn't build enough this, but we didn't build enough capacity we have capacity either and we have battery storage yet for renewable power. in the renewable power. so in the meantime , we've we've got to be meantime, we've we've got to be careful we do have to be careful we have to be careful about language. well, the british museum banned the word mummy museum has banned the word mummy as feel offensive to as they feel offensive to ancient egyptians . the phrase ancient egyptians. the phrase now politically is quite

personal well mummified remains . according to museum chiefs . so . according to museum chiefs. so is the word mummy offensive? ali the dead, the i mean, has anyone risen from the dead ? say we're risen from the dead? say we're official ? is risen from the dead? say we're official? is it risen from the dead? say we're official ? is it humanising to official? is it humanising to mummy? which is effectively because kind of got dehumanised when they died so they dead and apparently so it's nice an x mummy isn't it. yeah. it's apparently mummy comes the arabic word mummy my mail which you mean which is full vitamin embalming solution. so it's not charming. yeah so it's not, it's not to get people it actually will pick you pick your battles people you either want to offend the dead people or you want to offend living arrows , you know, offend living arrows, you know, is it culturally offensive to people in just never had anyone never heard anyone say this is just a guess who's going to kill just a guess who's going to kill just in the chair of the british museums with too jewish time on

his hands. i think he does exactly right look let's to exactly right look let's get to story that's floating around after that a after reports that may a charmless say has sent a legal letter demanding the return of £800,000 engagement ring. we're asking , should you give back asking, should you give back your engagement ring if you split up with your partner , do split up with your partner, do you keep everything ? jayla oh, you keep everything? jayla oh, come on. it was a seven month romance. what idea of spending that much money on a seven month romance? i come off to him looking to go. it's just not going to work, you know? that is. 100 grand a month. is. that's100 grand a month. 100. and you know i think? 100. and you know what i think? i what you should i think. what you should do is it based if you were with it be based if you were with them seven spend ten them seven months spend ten k max right . and if you're with max right. and if you're with them seven years then you want to spen d £700,000. she's been to spend £700,000. she's been you should put a ring on ages ago. right. so she deserves that ring . oh what you do is you ring. oh what you do is you upgrade the ring every two years. like to kind of as a four years. like to kind of as a four year old husbands that. no sorry are you advising this to all husbands and to anyone out there

if you're going to get engaged after seven months, just an attempt . i'm after seven months, just an attempt. i'm just telling you from age and experience, i don't think going to work. just think it's going to work. just saying supposed saying that all these supposed to fun to be is like a to be fun to be is like a certain percentage an engagement ring, a certain percentage. i think month's salary think it was a month's salary back in the wasn't yeah, i back in the wasn't it. yeah, i think so . then he's an nba think so. then he's an nba player. he has a little player. yes, he has a little money. yes. i mean , would humbly money. yes. i mean, would humbly suggest everything gift suggest you keep everything gift as a then i do agree. but as a gift, then i do agree. but where engagement rings, i can kind of support the stance on it for the simple . you get an for the simple. you get an engagement ring for that because about to be married that's the intention. it's like an unspoken contract, isn't it. i'm gonna need give you this ring because we're going to be married. you're wife. that's you're going to my wife. that's no happening. so i think no longer happening. so i think from the woman's point of view, you want you should naturally want to give i agree, i could, give it back. i agree, i could, but a man, it's to me but then for a man, it's to me it's not masculine. don't it's not very masculine. don't know that's politically know if that's politically correct, masculine correct, but it's not masculine to it back to to say we give it back to the world becoming emasculated , world becoming emasculated, being emasculated polymerase, you know , a gb news have you

you know, a gb news have you a special room in the house full ex—girlfriends, gifts ? well, i ex—girlfriends, gifts? well, i do quite a few gifts, actually, in my purse given, but i've had great taste. but i actually think liam makes a good point. great taste. but i actually think liam makes a good point . i think liam makes a good point. i don't think you should demand gifts , but think engagement gifts, but i think engagement ring different ring is slightly different because it is on the basis that you going to get married. you were going to get married. and think the and i think yeah, i think the lady should give it back. but why want to keep it on why would you want to keep it on a? it's like if they were going to get married , mean why would to get married, mean why would you an engagement you want to keep an engagement ring sell it? ring when they would sell it? and things gas and and by other things like gas and electric and, if the man broke it , then she should keep it. it, then she should keep it. yeah, yeah, yeah . she broke it yeah, yeah, yeah. she broke it off. yeah that's kind of like an unspoken contract of i don't want to marry you . yeah. mean want to marry you. yeah. mean genius to ask for it, but to bnng genius to ask for it, but to bring into this, i mean, seriously , it's a jailer , seriously, it's a jailer, comedians what they like. i can , i thank my fabulous panel, but most importantly, you've your company all it's been a thrill

to have you . i'm back on friday to have you. i'm back on friday 8:00 looking forward to seeing then keep it gb news. well done to the team as well. headliners is .

next good evening . i'm tatiana good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom. police in los angeles are a body that's being found in one of the two vans believed to be connected to the suspect of a mass shooting in california. at least ten people were killed when a gunman opened fire at a lunar new year in the city of monterey , near los angeles . ten monterey, near los angeles. ten others were injured in attack. at least one is in a critical condition hospital. police say . condition hospital. police say. the suspect believed to be asian and aged between 30 and 50 years old, should be considered armed and dangerous . the la. county and dangerous. the la. county

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