t0 i“ppy t0 happy monday, chums . it's to happy monday, chums . it's 8:00. happy monday, chums. it's 8:00. and i'm laurence fox . tonight we and i'm laurence fox. tonight we have one hell of an ofcom compliant show for you. tory party chairman and former chancellor nadhim zahawi has faced calls to be sacked as it has emerged that he reached a £5 million settlement with hmrc . million settlement with hmrc. this time they called nick careless but not deliberate , so careless but not deliberate, so we'll be taking a good look into that. the national grid offered cash in exchange for not using

energy between five and 6 pm. today, and it's been suggested could be the new normal as we head towards net zero targets. so turn off your you didn't poll people. we reached out to the national grid but there was no one available to comment because were all outside trying to turn the blades by themselves the wind blades by themselves and also have museum gone to work. tate britain have come under fire for replacing some of the to make way for an indian ship display which focuses on slavery, colonialism and racism. bp professor robert tombs is here . take it and don't forget here. take it and don't forget about me. i to hear from you. about me. ito hear from you. sendin about me. ito hear from you. send in your views to me at gb views . at gbnews.uk. it's all views. at gbnews.uk. it's all coming up off the headlines with polly middlehurst . laura, thank polly middlehurst. laura, thank you and good evening to you. the prime minister has asked his in—depth london ethics adviser to investigate the tory party chair's tax affairs, nadhim

zahawi welcomed the investigation, saying he's confident he acted properly throughout the former chancellor has admitted though he paid a penalty to hmrc following an error over shares in his polling company yougov , which he company yougov, which he co—founded . he hasn't disclosed co—founded. he hasn't disclosed the size the settlement which is believed to be the size the settlement which is believed to b e £5 million, and believed to be £5 million, and the bbc chairman, richard sharp, says he welcomes a review into how he got his job by the commissioner of public appointments. that's after mr. sharp asked for a scrutiny panel to potential conflicts of interest following claims he was involved in securing a loan up t 0 £800,000 for boris johnson . to £800,000 for boris johnson. he insists he did not make a loan or arrange any financing and only made an introduction to and only made an introduction to a guarantor . and only made an introduction to a guarantor. well, today , a guarantor. well, today, thousands of ambulance workers have been striking for the third time in five weeks. unison and gmb union members are crossing and wales walked out along with

staff at two hospital trusts in liverpool. further industrial action is planned in the coming by nurses and other nhs workers union leaders are calling for fair pay and accusing the government of not to find a resolution . and households with resolution. and households with metres could receive discounts . metres could receive discounts. they cut down their energy use for six day in a row tomorrow . for six day in a row tomorrow. 26 suppliers have signed up to the national grid's demand flexibility scheme, which involves paying businesses and households to turn off some appliances for an hour or two. the system says it's going to run the scheme again from 430 to 6 pm. tomorrow after the first live test ran today between five and six. and ofgem says the energy price cap could fall below £3,000 from april. it's said to be due to a fall in. the wholesale price of gas and it was possible to lower average costs for households meaning little savings for energy users due to the government's

guarantee that protects users from higher prices but it could save the government billions of poundsin save the government billions of pounds in the process. save the government billions of pounds in the process . and pounds in the process. and lastly, a firefighter is fighting for their life after battling a blaze at a former department store in edinburgh. scottish and rescue were called to the jenna's building at around 1130 this morning. 22 emergency vehicles sent to the scene. the fire brigade union says at least five firefighters have had to be taken to hospital for treatment. those are these headunes for treatment. those are these headlines you are up to date on tv, online and, dab+ radio. this is gb news the people's channel. and now in your box, it's laurence fox . laurence fox. careless, but not deliberate . careless, but not deliberate. that's apparently how the hmrc ,

that's apparently how the hmrc, nadine holloway's tax dealings. it's not entirely not entirely clear which bit of the affair was careless and not deliberate was careless and not deliberate was allocating a 40% stake of a start up to a company in tax haven gibraltar. but repeatedly telling kay bailey that he did not benefit any offshore arrangements. careless but not deliberate . or is he having his deliberate. or is he having his lawyers threaten , done needle lawyers threaten, done needle their tactics investigate their tactics but investigate nadine's dealings with libel careless but not deliberate .7 i careless but not deliberate? i mean, we've discussed poachers playing gamekeepers on here , but playing gamekeepers on here, but with apologies to oscar wilde to accidentally to forget to pay £3.7 million in taxes can barely be regarded as a misfortune. but to so as chancellor of the exchequer could feasibly regarded as deliberate if he does get the sack . perhaps mr. does get the sack. perhaps mr. zahawi should go into pr careless but not deliberate . careless but not deliberate. what a line that is. regime should have used it more often , should have used it more often, much better than this effort by rishi sunak to drum up a bit

more trust in the regime . this more trust in the regime. this government will have profess nationalism and accountable ability at every level . trust is ability at every level. trust is earned and i will earn yours yours compliant first so i can finish a were he not too busy buffoonery around the streets of kyiv ex—prime minister should have whipped out careless but not the other day , what with his not the other day, what with his 800 grand loan being guaranteed . the man johnson then went on to recommend carelessly to me. chairman of the bbc, then there is the economy . they've lost is the economy. they've lost a generation out of the housing market, condemning them to a life of no kids and renting a shed cupboard between six. but it's right. the millennials will manage with netflix and avocados, i suppose an

unfortunate situation , but unfortunate situation, but doubtless a careless one, not a deliberate one in inflation skyrocketing and we're on course to be poorer than poland by 2030, getting not least in part due to plucking of 2030, getting not least in part due to plucking o f £400 2030, getting not least in part due to plucking of £400 billion from the magic money trade before down the country and forcing to walk around tesco in one direction measures never before suggested in medical history to stop the deadly plague that gave us the highest death rate since 2008. careless not deliberate on the covid note what about the futile ordered separation at death that saw our loved ones uttering their final words alone in the grim backrooms of badly functioning health service , their fingers health service, their fingers final touch an ipad as they said the last goodbyes to their parents, partners, lovers, children and grandchildren. canada's but not to liberate muzzling our children to just go

socialist brownie points against sink nicholas sturgeon despite a comprehensive lack of evidence that face, nappies have made any difference. what's outside of a dentist's salon or the operating theatre . whisper it now get us. theatre. whisper it now get us. but not the what about a vaccine so magnificent it made our nation's hearts swell with pride. and even if young some some young hearts were broken , some young hearts were broken, least we could rely on the manufacturers , the regime, and manufacturers, the regime, and their commissars in the media. when they told us it prevented to human human transmission, they test for that, didn't they did test for that, didn't they did test for that, didn't they , regarding the question they, regarding the question around, did we know about stopping immunisation before it sent you the market? no at these , you know, we had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what is taking place in the markets now we have to move with speed science leaving afghanistan in the

middle of the night. so the taliban could parade around kabul with their brand new m—16s, black hawks and in the most embarrassing foreign policy escapade in memory or perhaps other careless but not deliberate flinging the borders open , giving us infinity open, giving us infinity migrants and housing albanians in full sorrow while our own sleep homeless on the street, careless not deliberate or what about being so scared of the deranged, blue haired crew that it took them years to pluck up the courage to stop the telescope performing irreversible sex changes on kids tell us not to liberate . and tell us not to liberate. and then on to my favourite topic then on to my favourite topic the china ification of the whole education system . childhood education system. childhood innocence is done away with in adherence to a singular ideology as demanded our universities once the envy of the world, and how reliant on chinese wonga and turn out an intellectually incontinent emotionally insufferable septum pierced whining woke warriors all of course, in a drive to drag the

greatest minds of the next generation down to the level of the most average, all in the name of equity was it careless to let zhejiang and his coterie of communist condiment through the door ? or was all this part the door? or was all this part of a deliberate global shift? the model a disenfranchised , the model a disenfranchised, demoralised population is, after all, much easier to control and make adhere to the restrictive future that like net zero demand of us all. all while china cobbles together another coal power station or and has xi a good old giggle . but that's good old giggle. but that's because even the most careless among us come up something half decent once in a while . but i decent once in a while. but i can't think of a single, respectable thing that this menagerie of who wish to rule over have uttered since the days of thatcher and reagan . but of thatcher and reagan. but first, i'm asking you if you disagree with me, please do get in touch. email your views , in touch. email your views, gbnews.uk, or tweet me at fox .

gbnews.uk, or tweet me at fox. to discuss today's antics. i am joined now former editor of the sunday mirror, paul cornu. paul knitting done . i think his knitting done. i think his career in politics is hanging on the cabinet. certainly is by the proverbial gossamer thread as indeedisin proverbial gossamer thread as indeed is in fact public trust indeed is in fact public trust in politics are lost generally. do you think that we that we're now entering a position where there's not political solution? it's not a political it's actually a cultural problem. we like a politician to go. you are utterly bent, i think. i think thatis utterly bent, i think. i think that is the danger, sadly . i that is the danger, sadly. i mean, i don't think it's entirely true . but but the entirely true. but but the pubuci entirely true. but but the public i think , are getting a public i think, are getting a feeling that way . and you were feeling that way. and you were referring to , you know, to a referring to, you know, to a certain word cropping up, you know, from the hmrc. but in

fact, it equates to negligent care loss equates to negligence under the law. so it's a good point . actually, it is, isn't point. actually, it is, isn't it? because, you know, there was he was saying it himself , the he was saying it himself, the guy who was looking it, he said, you know, you're not careless . you know, you're not careless. you can make mistakes, but you're careless in this situation. it has a specific meaning and i think because i was supporting, of meaning and i think because i was supporting , of course, was supporting, of course, i tried to use to tell the public always mistake it is . that is always mistake it is. that is the key interpretation careless on tax law. i mean i'm i feel the moment richie sunak is presiding over a government of care loss. he's looking very weak himself . care loss. he's looking very weak himself. i care loss. he's looking very weak himself . i mean, really weak himself. i mean, really this. okay, there's going to be an inquiry , but that plays for an inquiry, but that plays for time really. what he's got to do is ask zahawi for the full details and then i suggest for him or or ask for his

resignation. and i think it's still early 5050 whether in fact zahawi is in the cabinet. you know, this time next week. but what about so, you know what would is this not just a sort of labour plot to unsettle the tories still further i mean is actually actually a labour plot. i think the only plot at the moment really is though plot plotting to bring back to bring back a certain charlatan called bofis back a certain charlatan called boris johnson was boris. i mean, ineveri boris johnson was boris. i mean, i never i know what we make a big vehicle of saga borrowers his big vehicle of saga borrowers hi s £800,000 low loan broken or his £800,000 low loan broken or partly through an introduction by the man he was about to a point as the chairman of the bbc , none of which was made transparent , which is why there transparent, which is why there are now to inquiries looking, looking into that into that one. it feels like we're caught in the middle of something that's,

a cross between an episode , the a cross between an episode, the thick of it and the house of cards only the house of houses of cards tend to collapse, though. lawrence should we should be not care what politicians do and only care about the effectiveness of their policy. should we forget about their personal lives? the fact there robber barons ? no. there are robber barons? no. because you, as you put the because if you, as you put the clip you showed sunak stood outside number 10. i mean , the outside number 10. i mean, the only thing about sunak is it probably preferable to do either johnson liz truss which isn't which isn't a very bar. but he stood number 10 talking about integrity , transparency and all integrity, transparency and all of those things have gone by the board effectively at the moment . and it underscores how weak he is. the fact that he hasn't already demanded either sacked , already demanded either sacked, demanded. so how his resignation speaks volumes about his his week in the position but the tory party is in fact somehow it

is in a sort of civil war situation . there are so many situation. there are so many factions that it can't really it can't really govern. do you think lord frost is not a labour? labour just seizing on the opportunities which are being almost keep up to them at the moment. do you think lord frost was correct when he said that there is a liberal party for the liberals and the conservatives , those liberals in conservatives, those liberals in the conservative party should just go over to the lib dems. or do you that the conservative party should try be one of party should try and be one of the leagues and diverse in the big leagues and diverse in the big leagues and diverse in the i think the the interesting i think the interesting question in lawrence is if the polls prove if the tory party a hammering at the next general will the tory party survive as it is . so we thought survive as it is. so we thought it had a great recovery abilities. so i wouldn't i certainly wouldn't say. it is going to fall apart necessarily , but i think there would be a possibility of the tory party splitting in a way they predicted that would have happened after after the corbyn debacle . go for labour and

debacle. go for labour and starmer has managed to pull it back. so you know, you, you can't write the tory party but it's certainly got a massive, massive problem then of course if they take a hammering in the may local elections then then the plot, the only real going on at the moment and i don't think it will work and hopefully well it's obviously i mean i'm obviously saying it's a labour plot . just saying is it plot. just saying is it a destruction being , you know, destruction being, you know, generated to play into the hands of the conservative party that are upset with with offering nothing. i think i think labour are simply being the least they know where they're going. labour l, know where they're going. labour i, you i when i read labour stuff i go, oh i get it , i stuff i go, oh i get it, i understand what you want to do. i mean i really personally i'm not a huge but the tories are no idea what they stand for. the tories. the tories are in the position now that labour were in on you know under the corbyn disaster divided split factional fighting labour. now at the moment anyway are a disciplined

party, the tories aren't. well the left have always been disciplined and, the right never have, which is half the problem . well the left off haven't always been disciplined. i disagree there, but certainly the moment when they've stolen all institutions, done all the institutions, we've done all the institutions, we've done all by then. but the moment course all this plays out against the background of the cost living crisis, the crisis strikes and it simply mean we have a prime minister who to almost be . well, he reappeared , almost be. well, he reappeared, but he's been missing in action . and of course, we had boris johnson stealing the limelight again. how how as know any any bofis again. how how as know any any boris heads, anyone can take trouble like his he had to key. i mean you know and sean payton anyway thank you so much for joining me right thanks for coming next for the first time today, the national grid is incentivised customers less energy between five and 6 pm. does that remind you and then california by paying them the reason why is due the cold

weather the grid is struggling to keep up with demand because a net zero push means that customers will have to be more flexible . is this to become the flexible. is this to become the new normal of nuclear power ? and new normal of nuclear power? and market policy analyst malcolm , market policy analyst malcolm, don't go anywhere. i'll be .

in three. hello today for the first time, the national has been asked to as ask paying customers to cut back on consumption between five and 6 pm. but why might, you ask? it's because the struggling wannabe green grid struggling to keep up with energy usage during this cold snap and they've asked for coal coal fired power station to be warmed up. in case you need to back up. who would

have thought that when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow, turbines won't turn? will. we be stuck turn? and we will. we be stuck for green energy on a good day . for green energy on a good day. solar and wind generate only 50% of energy needs. but this at of our energy needs. but this at 10 am. it was down to 19% and at times in december it fell to less than 2. we are lucky at the moment that we have the option of coal mines to back us up, but what happens in 2030 when another cold winter faces us, will we see the masses be told to in the cold and dark for minuscule of money? the greater good of the world, while those who can afford keep the heat lights on, go unaffected . and lights on, go unaffected. and all the while, china and india burn up as much fossil as they like the head national control said that a push for net zero means customers will have to be more flexible. when asked if this could become a feature of british life , he told the bbc british life, he told the bbc it's something we strongly believe in. we reached out to national to comment, but we certainly didn't get. a reply. maybe because we asked between

the hours of five and 6 pm. i know. and joining me now is and power market policy analyst malcolm grimston malcolm should the poorest in society have to turn off their heat? well, it's not just the poorest of course, with electricity bills where they are the moment a lot of us are feeling pain ultimately where are where we are. we've not invested in power capacity for years now in the uk we've got a new nuclear station at last under construction for example. but that does mean that if you as you point out earlier this moment getting about this moment we're getting about 10% of our electricity from wind , nearly 60% from gas. gas is very . so we're , nearly 60% from gas. gas is very. so we're bringing back all talk about possibly bringing back on line on coal stations. so it's more sensible if you can actually return some money to those who are less well off. but as with all in life, it's the less well—off who get hammered the most when the system doesn't work. and especially with ideologically driven like zero anything, the poorest anything, you know, the poorest have been hit the hardest through through all of these

zero why why why are zero policies. why why why are we attacking the poor in this way? well, i don't think that's the to be fair, and i the aim of it to be fair, and i do science on climate change do the science on climate change is difficult challenge . is very difficult to challenge. the argument is firstly where do we get the balance between adapting to it and mitigating it in the language right. adapting to it and mitigating it in the language right . and can in the language right. and can we do it in ways that don't hammer the poor at the moment with gas prices where they are, frankly, the more wind, the better on the system that will help all of us. but it is raising and there's no end. but that's the that is the problem. and that's why you do need the reliable technology. as i've mentioned, offshore , a mentioned, nuclear offshore, a bit than onshore wind . bit better than onshore wind. and but we also have to look what call the supply side what they call the supply side and where makes sense. and where it makes sense. i mean, people are i don't think it's matter of people it's so much a matter of people switching off. if switching heating off. but if you delay, using the you can delay, say, using the washing machine for a of washing machine for a couple of hours get over the peak hours so we get over the peak the evening, that seems . but why the evening, that seems. but why should that? it's 20, 23. should we do that? it's 20, 23. did you remember in the fifties and they invented and stuff when they invented

these was like, these things, everyone was like, yeah, can now free up some yeah, you can now free up some time to do something with your own we're turning own life. and now we're turning around say, excuse around and people say, excuse your just got home your kids, you just got home from don't the from school. don't use the dishwasher. yeah, mean, come dishwasher. yeah, i mean, come on. i say that , we should on. as i say that, we should have been preparing for this moment. ourselves moment. we got ourselves overdependent . we overdependent on russian gas. we got a position got ourselves in a position where we weren't replacing the nuclear capacity, and we moved from. coal is environmentally pretty horrible. not just in climate change terms, but in terms of the effect of coal mining, the particulates that are released into the atmosphere are released into the atmosphere are really very unpleasant. great, think for environment great, i think for environment thing never, never quite got thing never, i never quite got the acid rain thing, so i'm just expecting to melt and my house to melt, but it never happened last mine was different. last year. mine was different. acid sulphur , the coal acid rain with sulphur, the coal not right that dissolves not carbon. right that dissolves in in fact you in rain. and in fact you sulphuric acid falling from the sky which would dissolve the statue the the bbc . statue of the outside the bbc. well it does this old buildings but it's also not very good for the sea and it's not very good for woods or forests. and so we

we've come a long way on that. but moving away from coal where possible was great gas has been wonderful for the last 20 or 30 years. it's clean, it's easy to use. you can store easily if you choose to, and it's about half as much carbon for coal. so gas at least as a transition, fuel is important . and the point with is important. and the point with gas is you can switch it on and off. but as you say, we became enormously dependent on russian gas. didn't develop own gas. we didn't develop own domestic reserves a way that perhaps we should have done . and perhaps we should have done. and as result, when the russians as a result, when the russians stopped playing ball with us, we've been hammered in the way that have the last few that we have over the last few months now. so why don't we months now. but so why don't we just delay . net zero to 2100? just delay. net zero to 2100? i mean , to the end of the century, mean, to the end of the century, let's say where we are at the moment the sources of the intermittency, the unreliability is massive problem with with solar. you know when you getting in but it's not now wind is variable and a bit more

difficult to predict and those are real drawbacks as we're seeing. but the alternative it depends what alternative you talk about. if the alternative is okay, let's burn an awful lot more gas, then inevitably that ties us into the european gas price and. although we may we have some of our own north sea reserves and there is an argument for exploiting them better but they're not infinite. we will be tied into the russian price. we most of our price. we get most of our imports norway, not from imports from norway, not from russia, nonetheless, the russia, but nonetheless, the norwegians will it where. norwegians will sell it where. they okay. so first of all, they can. okay. so first of all, let me correct that it wasn't statue a, it a statute statue of a, it was a statute designed a, because i've got to correct that for the team. what about fracking? again, i'm not sure the issue about fracking really in the uk is how big a reserve it is in the states. pretty big, isn't it. well, we don't know because in the states you've got massive areas where nobody lives where the geology is can produce is perfect and you can produce huge of it relative huge amounts of it relative cheaply. got the twin cheaply. we've got the twin problems that geology problems here that our geology is complex . large of is more complex. large areas of the united states. so getting

out the gas is trapped in the shale is down there that needs this high water to shake it out may be more difficult but also we're more heavily populated . we're more heavily populated. there is a political issue. having said that , always said if having said that, always said if we've got a domestic supply of gas, it makes a lot more sense producing here. if we it producing gas here. if we it rather than pumping it in from abroad, all money goes abroad, all the money goes abroad, all the money goes abroad . there's the abroad. there's the environmental cost of bringing it whether it's through it in, whether it's through pipelines or liquefied natural gas and from that point of view, i've always felt that it was something we should keep an open mind. a mind. but don't believe it's a game changer. personally but should should uk should it should should the uk look energy look to be energy self—sufficient and therefore, you totally contained you know, totally contained sovereign nation should be let's create all of our own energy. i'm probably in the sense that there are i mean to take uranium for nuclear as an example we do have some uranium mines in cornwall used to produce a bit a long ago, but actually buying uranium , the very free world uranium, the very free world market where there's loads of it makes make sense and is not

threat to our security of supply as with everything. if is better for our economy to buy something which is overseas reliably and cheapen which is overseas reliably and cheaper, then there's a case for doing that because that keeps our bills down. but certainly i think we've europe as a whole germany particular has really suffering now for not having seriously enough about what do we do about secure supplies if russia and haven't say they've doneit russia and haven't say they've done it enough before this last yearif done it enough before this last year if russia again decides to use its muscle well they look like heading for a winter of discontent , isn't it? anyway, discontent, isn't it? anyway, thank you very much . i thank you very much. i appreciate your time on this. up next, we'll be talking about an investigation found that investigation which found that the 40 universities helped coordinate research that has links malign activities of links to malign activities of the chinese state. we'll be chatting to academic professor andrew turnbull about shortly. see you .

in three oh three earlier. i asked you, am i talking nonsense? nigel says, definitely wasn't deliberate. what's wrong with you ? well you know, how many you? well you know, how many times do we have to give the excuse of the fact that it's just careless? i think it will coincidence. i think it's just smacks of deliberateness to alan says a well—written thoughtful but ultimately demagogic , but ultimately demagogic, illogical rant. i'm to have to look up the word geological , but look up the word geological, but i think it's not a compliment . i think it's not a compliment. oh, no one's on my team tonight .juue oh, no one's on my team tonight . julie says we don't know the. so none of us should be able to comment this case. should be, comment this case. it should be, of a matter between the of course, a matter between the teams of how in the hmrc. hang on minute chancellor of on a minute the chancellor of the exchequer forgetting to pay millions pounds worth of tax. the hmrc is suddenly a private matter . have we not the hmrc is suddenly a private matter. have we not had enough

in this country of things that are private matters now that have destroyed us. i'm sorry . have destroyed us. i'm sorry. mean, i know you're not inside, but i'm. i'm sticking to my guns on. this one, right? an investigation has revealed that over 40 universities in the united kingdom have risky ties to china . the times uncovered to china. the times uncovered these universities collaborated with institutes that have been unked with institutes that have been linked to malign activities . the linked to malign activities. the chinese state. these collaborative technologies are said to be linked with a genocide nuclear weapons development, espionage , defence development, espionage, defence research or hacking from alma mater, cambridge , assisting in mater, cambridge, assisting in voice services that are said to be assisting in human rights abuses to the university of surrey's facial recognition tech being used to identify weaker muslims. it's been notified these universities are not being accused of assisting china , but accused of assisting china, but the links are worth speaking about. the links are worth speaking about . here with me to talk about. here with me to talk about. here with me to talk about this is academic andrew tessman . andrew, good evening. tessman. andrew, good evening. how universities being overtaken

the chinese . i think to a large the chinese. i think to a large extent they have and probably without knowing it , i think without knowing it, i think you're quite right to say they are not deliberately helping chinese to do all sorts unmentionable things . what's unmentionable things. what's happenedis unmentionable things. what's happened is that. well, to some extent the government's own on universities has come back to bite it because if you insist saying to universities we're not going to fund research and it's up to you to find else to fund it . and the nice man from the it. and the nice man from the china cultural bureau comes along , says, well, here's a cool along, says, well, here's a cool quarter million, you hardly blame them for taking it. but i think the other point , quite think the other point, quite simply , universities and this simply, universities and this goes both for academics and for university of can sometimes not

be pretty clearly worldly. and they can certainly be very concerned with the sight of money at the end of the tunnel and i think that explains why for example jesus in cambridge again , the alma mater of see who again, the alma mater of see who must be a bed y, jesus college in cambridge has taken large sums of money from seeing from something connect with the state council of china from way . council of china from way. i think it's just their natural feeling. if somebody comes along and says is exciting research , and says is exciting research, it's their natural feeling to go along with it. but they seem to have so much time to. they seem to the universities have seemed to the universities have seemed to have so much time and budget , criticise and chastise and self—regulate themselves. why they not able to spot this

creeping influence of the chinese party into their own ranks . i think that one answer ranks. i think that one answer is they don't particularly to it was quite interesting actually to look back at college where the master of the college faced with i think this investigation certainly faced with an investigation in about a year ago very quick they said oh well no there's nothing to see here. we do all our due diligence and so on. the trouble is that do very much turns into a box ticking , you know, unless you ticking, you know, unless you know this person has something dodgy them , you're likely to say dodgy them, you're likely to say . well we'll go ahead with this now unfortunately most academics don't like the idea of thinking seriously and saying, well , is

seriously and saying, well, is this research going to help trying to do something, don't want it to do ? there is want it to do? there is a government scheme which i suspect is operated serious enough. suspect is operated serious enough . i forgot. i think it's enough. i forgot. i think it's the eighties forgotten it stands for, but it's basic a scheme whereby before a foreign student gets of to study at a british university in a scientific subject , they have to be vetted subject, they have to be vetted again . i've had to look at the again. i've had to look at the form that have to fill in to get at this approval and i suspect that unless you've actually said i think c jinping is the best thing since sliced bread and the more we can do for the chinese army, the better . i more we can do for the chinese army, the better. i suspect that's a great many of them get through . why don't we? why we through. why don't we? why we import? why aren't we exporting

and brits in the same way? why why aren't we doing confucius institutes in return and sending our values over to beijing? maybe that would help me some universal do that . one trouble, universal do that. one trouble, of course, is that it's rather one sided operation because if a person from a british university goes across to china that is a country where you're very quickly aware and i know i've been there about nine or ten times. that's a country where you very quickly know there is no generally free speech. and if you say something out of line, you're going to be in trouble . you're going to be in trouble. so you tend to be rather careful what you say. and of you can also be careful what, you say, when you get back , because quite when you get back, because quite a lot of academic ex want to be ianed a lot of academic ex want to be invited back to that won't happen to me because i've written far too much in the spectator . being written far too much in the spectator. being rather written far too much in the spectator . being rather rude spectator. being rather rude about the chinese government. i

mean making this as are we making this as simple as. the fact that people everyone's free speech has a price and china knows what it is. i think that's right. yes what china is trying to gain influence throughout the world in a number of ways it wants to gain over infrastructure throughout the world and it wants to influence in universities throughout the world. our universities are very . and it would love to sort of back seat over quite a lot of them and that's actually the other problem about large grants coming from chinese institutes to british universities . there to british universities. there was a notorious event at jesus college, cambridge , when one college, cambridge, when one academic there who was closely connected with the chinese money did say a couple years ago, can

we please not have too much discussion of the policy of the chinese government ? because this chinese government? because this would not be productive? well, that's that's that that's the same across world. you know, you look through show business bought anywhere there's absolute no criticism of the chinese as allowed whatsoever and we have giving up our free speech that way that's that's john key sorry i must move on now professor but thank you sorry. thank you very, very much for joining thank you sorry. thank you very, very much forjoining me thank you sorry. thank you very, very much for joining me this evening. professor tatton bourne, we really appreciate your time. okay coming up next, we have news . we have museums . we have news. we have museums. have they become too woke to tell you have taken down classic art or have placed it with art depicting links to british? we'll be talking to historian robert tunes on this . see you .

in three. hello over the weekend it came to the tate britain is in the process of shaping up that galleries in what's being dubbed a polemic against the past. thank goodness the museum sponsored by your hard earned taxes my tired of removing the likes of stanley spencer william hogarth in favour of making a more inclusive experience involving works that relate . involving works that relate. britain's not so woke past along with this of course they're set to provide some analysis explaining the pieces links to slavery, racism and colonialism . naturally, the question is when will they jar. when will this end? well, just for the evidence . a similar thing evidence. a similar thing happened with the renowned wellcome collection just a few months back . after months of months back. after months of consternation , self—deprecation consternation, self—deprecation and french elation , the museum and french elation, the museum

realised the natural conclusion of their logic to close the permanent exhibition because was just a purely evil . if the just a purely evil. if the people in charge of teaching our history hate our history , then history hate our history, then will it end in the abolition of our history? we've contacted tate britain for comment and a spokesman clarified . whilst we spokesman clarified. whilst we may be replacing a small number of paintings by artists such as hogarth and spencer with some of their other celebrated pieces , their other celebrated pieces, their other celebrated pieces, the number of their works show will remain the same , if not will remain the same, if not greater. the works on show will tell the stories of. 500 years of british history of which colonialism and empire are just one component. we're doing it for you guys. i'm joined now by professor robert tombs of cambridge university. professor yes . what is wrong with yes. what is wrong with completely ripping our history and making it much more inclus

said ? well, i don't think the said? well, i don't think the two things follow. what is it inclusive to? to try to create division , to try to give division, to try to give a history of the past which is distorted artificially pessimistic, when we know that we have very good stories to tell which us together which we can feel considerably proud of . can feel considerably proud of. it was the struggle against slavery . they did want to bring slavery. they did want to bring us together . they want to divide us together. they want to divide us together. they want to divide us make us hate each us and make us hate each other. what's that? well, what's wrong with that? well, that's problem, isn't that's the problem, isn't it? i mean i there's a lot that mean, i think there's a lot that lies behind as we're to lies behind as we're getting to know in party. it's a sort of rejection of the idea of western culture. stephen is somehow dominant in, the creator of inequality and racism in all the rest. and i think a lot of it's just fairly superficial stuff. it's curators of museums who want to make a name for themselves are of themselves or who are scared of getting the if they're if getting the sack if they're if they're of racism. so they're accused of racism. so for whatever reason we get these these very well sort of woke is what i'm trying to avoid but you

get these rather arrogant and patronising views of the past. put forward by people who have very little understanding or interest in really telling as it was. well, if we've got a problem with the teaching of history in school and if the teaching of history in school is so painful for these young to understand and for someone to go in and we've got to get rid of hogarth and we've to get rid of various statues and stuff. should we as a responsibility to the people the next the young people in the next generation been utterly generation who've been utterly brainwashed should we not just brainwashed, should we not just remove everything offends remove everything that offends them ? well, i'm not so sure that them? well, i'm not so sure that well, because we don't know how many of you are really offended and how much this is a kind and how much of this is a kind of know people want to of act know people who want to show they're progressive. i show that they're progressive. i mean, people come into mean, the young people come into contact with as students and think many kids at school are not. i'm not really going to be brainwashed by a lot of this. i think they're being deprived of a they're they're a lot. and they're being they're being told things that are not true. they're being they're

being of a rounded of being deprived of a rounded of the past, which is really in very enriching thing . but it's very enriching thing. but it's been it's being turned into a kind of one dimensional piece of propaganda , of which i'm afraid propaganda, of which i'm afraid a lot of museums are. and why are we seeing this across ? you are we seeing this across? you know, we've seen the national trust. we're seeing it really across our cultural landscape . across our cultural landscape. and it seems to be a much more recent phenomenon where what is the genesis of this hatred of being british? it's broader than britain. i mean, there has been for a long time. i mean, george talked about it in 1940. you know, he said britain's the or england's the only great country whose intellectuals ashamed of their of their national loyalty. so i think there's always been a bit of that. but there is in other countries, too. but i think this latest wave of, you know, cultural war is really across the whole language, the whole english speaking . i think whole english speaking. i think it's worse in america here, certainly in many ways i think

it's worse in australia and new zealand and canada than here. but we're getting our share of it too. and i it's because we're seen as being you know the countries or the culture that created the modern world, which those who dislike the modern world, who see us as being unequal or oppressive, racist, therefore want to discredit . therefore want to discredit. that's, i think, what's a lot behind it . why wouldn't when behind it. why wouldn't when there are so many obvious examples of inequality racism, slavery, etc. in the current era that we live in. wouldn't it behove these these young people to go out and do something about that rather than take a puff of the past ? well, i suppose a the past? well, i suppose a cynic say, and i feel a bit cynical right now , i think that cynical right now, i think that it's because it's too difficult . you know, it's terribly easy to go to a museum or to write a caption for a picture saying how awful things were in the 18th century. it's not easy if you've got to go out and, you know,

demonstrate outside the chinese embassy , you've got to do embassy, you've got to do something trying to do something to help that that requires a bit of effort and a bit of even perhaps a bit of a risk, whereas this is a very easy and safe way of proving your virtue. i think we witnessing the end of then because if history is going to because if history is going to be rewritten in this way and we're going to have the great masterpieces replaced or something else we something else, are we witnessing end of our witnessing the end of our civilisation ? we know it. the civilisation? we know it. the end of an empire. civilisation? we know it. the end of an empire . well i'm end of an empire. well i'm a member of a group called reclaimed, which has a website which i hope many of your viewers find interesting. we are trying to push back against this . we believe that , you know, . we believe that, you know, telling the truth, giving giving serious research and a propaganda setting of the past is the way to resist this kind of distortion, distorted . so and of distortion, distorted. so and gentlemen do please look at our

and you'll find things that i think will perhaps reassure you to some extent . i think that's to some extent. i think that's absolutely brilliant . guide to absolutely brilliant. guide to history reclaimed and finally on your thoughts . when do we when your thoughts. when do we when do you think feelings overtook , do you think feelings overtook, fact in society and can we can we reclaim you know rational honest open rather than just succumbing to the most offended person the room. well that's a great question. you know, you can say, well, it goes back to the post—war philosophies of postmodernism the idea that the reason was something that we could never reach and that were all, in fact, the creatures of our emotions and our prejudices . you know, i think, you know, for a several hundred years, people in europe have been trying to find way of finding truths . it would be a terrible truths. it would be a terrible disaster . we gave that up and disaster. we gave that up and thought, well, you know, it's only our feelings that count and it's only my feelings that are true . that's, know, that's true. that's, you know, that's going back to babyhood, really.

you know what what adults do is to try to check their feelings against their reason and also to find out how other people think and to try to find out what the facts are, to give all that up would be in a sense that, you know, would the end of the know, would be the end of the west, the western west, of the western civilisation. i mean check your feelings against, the facts. thank you. robert tombs. right it is now time for fox from the spot. let's hear what you've got from holby. jennie asked, do you have sundays in the uk? we them in denmark in the seventies? no but my kids have got meat free mondays . i'm but my kids have got meat free mondays. i'm really but my kids have got meat free mondays . i'm really annoyed mondays. i'm really annoyed about schools ? whether about it. why schools? whether my me on monday or not, my kids get me on monday or not, ricky says. i nearly missed your programme. getting careless. programme. i'm getting careless. no baker. james says. no britt baker. james says. great show, lawrence. the energy brought me something. the mining of cobalt and lithium for green energy is more intensive than fossil fuel and fossil fuel burning and therefore generates more pollution inflation. pollution and more inflation. this well this is absolutely true as well . our little woke chums, the subtle neanderthal iphones full of mine owned by

of the cobalt mine owned by slave labour in congo . they slave labour in the congo. they should be just a tiny thought for the fact that the hypocrisy may be larger than they expected anyway . that was fox on the anyway. that was fox on the spot. keep mean your views gb news you. i would like to thank you all all my guests tonight for joining me. and next up, it forjoining me. and next up, it is the wonderful dan wootton. dan, what have you got for us? well, you've got to stick around because back next because be back in the next houn because be back in the next hour. you're talking migrant numbers , potentially hitting numbers, potentially hitting 80,000 via the channel. and why the idiotic woke brace award bosses are going to have to reveal their decision to have gender neutral shortlists. absolutely looking forward to that. plus two big guests tonight, jim , on that. totally tonight, jim, on that. totally attack on him by khan. and live the us rudy giuliani on why defunding the police is not the right solution to deal with the police mess here in the uk where we love rudy. that's great stuff

. and looking forward, speaking to an event . that's all . and looking forward, speaking to an event. that's all coming up after the break. do not miss it . good evening . up after the break. do not miss it. good evening. i'm up after the break. do not miss it . good evening . i'm alex it. good evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather from the met office. the nonh weather from the met office. the north split continues tonight . north split continues tonight. clear and frosty for many in the south mile and cloudy further north. so will be some thick fog patches . however, particularly patches. however, particularly in the area of high pressure across of the south. further we've got low pressure just drifting to the north of scotland but they are bringing westerly breezes, lot of cloud, a bit of drizzle here . and there a bit of drizzle here. and there over northern scotland, some light drizzle possible in southern northwest england, but for most it's dry weather. we've got the clear skies in the south. we going south. that's where we are going to see turning potentially foggy and certainly it will be frosty more well below freezing in towns and cities and at much lower and rural spots, not quite as cold across the far southeastern east anglia. quite cloudy here . even the odd cloudy skies here. even the odd shower is possible , especially shower is possible, especially close to the coast. this can for a great cold day on tuesday some

fog around first thing across parts of england wales may take a while to clear, but then we should see some sunny spells . a should see some sunny spells. a lot cloud across north wales lot of cloud across north wales , northwest england, scotland and northern ireland, some and northern ireland, with some rain trickling into the highlands, but some brighter skies aberdeenshire could see skies. aberdeenshire could see highs of 12, maybe 13. highs of 12, maybe even 13. further south 45 degrees. even with sunshine where the fog sticks , temperatures may sticks, temperatures may struggle to get much above freezing and a frost will return pretty wrap early tomorrow evening as . well, and again, we evening as. well, and again, we could have some fog thickening up across the south, further north shift , we've got these north shift, we've got these lines of rain spreading in. these are weather fronts bringing a start to wednesday morning across parts of southern scotland and that randall trickle its way into northern england , parts of wales as well. england, parts of wales as well. so a different here behind is those weather fronts. brightest guys we'll follow on wednesday across scotland and northern ireland with just a few showers in the south. it'll be another cold day on wednesday, but signs

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