good evening. accusations of tory sleaze. yes. it's not a great start for rishi sunak's premiership, but is he a leader? is he being decisive? it will debate that we'll find out that over half of british households are now net receivers from the state in this country. the report's authorjoins state in this country. the report's author joins us state in this country. the report's authorjoins us energy report's author joins us energy rationing, effective energy rationing, effective energy rationing starts this week. believe me , you need to find out believe me, you need to find out and learn more about it. and joining me, i'm talking pines. when he comes from a kent cricketing dynasty. he's a former england cricket captain,

chris cowdrey . but before all of chris cowdrey. but before all of that , let's get the is with that, let's get the is with polly middlehurst . that, let's get the is with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening to you. the top story on gb news this evening, the prime minister has asked his independent ethics adviser to investigate the tory party chair's tax affairs. nadeem zahawi has welcomed the investigation , saying he's investigation, saying he's confident he acted properly throughout . the former throughout. the former chancellor has admitted, though he paid a penalty to hmrc following an error over shares in the polling company yougov, which he co—founded. he hasn't disclosed the size of the settlement , which disclosed the size of the settlement, which is believed to be almost £5 million. and the bbc chairman, richard sharp , bbc chairman, richard sharp, says he welcomes a review of the process around being appointed to the role by the commissioner of public appointments. that's after mr. sharp asked for a scrutiny panel to examine potential conflicts of interest

following claims he was involved in securing a loan of up to £800,000 for boris johnson in he didn't make a loan or arrange any financing and only made an introduction to a guarantor. well also today, thousands of ambulance workers are striking for the third time in five weeks. unison and gmb union members across england wales walked out along with staff at two hospital trusts in liverpool . further industrial action is planned in the coming weeks by nurses and other nhs workers . nurses and other nhs workers. union leaders are calling for fair pay, accusing the government of not wanting to find a resolution . and as you've find a resolution. and as you've been hearing, households with smart metres could receive discounts if they cut their energy use for the second day in a row . 26 suppliers energy use for the second day in a row. 26 suppliers signed up to the national grid's demand flexibility scheme , which flexibility scheme, which involves paying businesses and households to turn off appliances . as for an hour or appliances. as for an hour or two. the electricity system says

it's going to run the scheme again tomorrow after noon after the first live test ran from five until 6 pm. today. and ofgem says the energy price cap could fall below ofgem says the energy price cap could fall belo w £3,000 from could fall below £3,000 from april. it said due to the fall in the wholesale price of gas and electricity , it was possible and electricity, it was possible to lower average cost for households. it would mean little savings for energy users due to the government's price guarantee , which protects from higher pnces. , which protects from higher prices . but , which protects from higher prices. but it could , which protects from higher prices . but it could save the prices. but it could save the government billions of pounds. and an update for you on the fire in scotland today. in edinburgh . firefighter is, in edinburgh. firefighter is, in fact, we're told, fighting for their life after battling a blaze at the famous former department store in the centre of edinburgh . scottish fire and of edinburgh. scottish fire and rescue were called to the jenna's building at around 1130 this morning. we understand two emergency vehicles sent to the scene. the fire brigades union saying at least five fire fighters have had to be taken to hospital for treatment . that's

hospital for treatment. that's it . you're up to date on tv, it. you're up to date on tv, onune it. you're up to date on tv, online and dab, plus radio with gb news. well, now it's time for far—right . far—right. good evening . but after the good evening. but after the chaos of 2022, you know , three chaos of 2022, you know, three prime ministers for chancellor plus five education secretaries . know what we were going to get when rishi sunak? it was perfectly clear. he told us the start. this government will have integrity. professional wisdom and accountability . every level. and accountability. every level. well, what is happening now is a nightmare for it. we begin, of course, with former prime minister boris johnson , his minister boris johnson, his relationship with richard sharp, the bbc's chairman. nobody here is suggesting any impropriety at all, but it's clear that mr. sharp made an introduction and helped facilitate in some way a loan , a perfectly legal loan

loan, a perfectly legal loan that boris johnson took. but again, it all begins to look like a little bit of an oxbridge charm. ocracy more seriously isn't the diems are where he was for a brief period of time. the chancellor of the exchequer. now he been found to have under paid his taxes . no suggestion, by the his taxes. no suggestion, by the way , he was deliberately and way, he was deliberately and wilfully not paying his taxes. and when you sell shares in a big company and you've got overseas holdings, it is complicated but very difficult for somebody as chancellor of the exchequer not to be paying tax while at the same time this government is putting taxes up for the rest of it the rest of us. more seriously , i think the us. more seriously, i think the greensill scandal that if you remember david cameron was very deeply involved in when asked by officials in his own department in response to a freedom of information request from the times, whether he'd exchanged messages with david cameron ,

messages with david cameron, zahawi said no , but it now turns zahawi said no, but it now turns out that actually he did . i out that actually he did. i think it's very difficult for the dbsa zahawi to stay on as chairman of the conservative party. i think it's inevitable that he'll be forced to resign at some point in time. i could be wrong , but at some point in time. i could be wrong, but i've at some point in time. i could be wrong , but i've seen at some point in time. i could be wrong, but i've seen this pattern played out again and again and again. pattern played out again and again and again . what in the again and again. what in the face of all of this does rishi sunak as leader do ? well, he sunak as leader do? well, he palms it all off to laurie magnus , his new ethics adviser , magnus, his new ethics adviser, who will investigate which means the saga now goes on for weeks and weeks unless zahawi is removed . my question to you is removed. my question to you is rishi sunak a leader? let me like what you think, farage, at gb news. .uk and i think he looks very very unsure of his footing. and i think this is going to bring them huge trouble. when zahawi inevitably has to resign . right? that's my

has to resign. right? that's my view. that's what i think. let's go to somebody will be rather more directly affected by this than me. it's the member of parliament for mansfield, ben bradley. ben good evening. thank you for joining bradley. ben good evening. thank you forjoining us. i know you've got votes coming up the house fairly shortly . you know, house fairly shortly. you know, we can go back to 1996, 1997 and, you know, okay , you were and, you know, okay, you were young then, but it was it was the look of sleaze that did the conservative party so much harm , do you think? do really believe that nadhim zahawi can stay on as party chairman ? stay on as party chairman? whatever greensill he clearly hasn't told the truth truth . hi, hasn't told the truth truth. hi, nick. i think i'm being held today. it is really important in pubuc today. it is really important in public office. i think clearly know made a mistake one way or another. i don't know enough for the detail behind the scenes to you should stay or go or whatever. i'm perfectly willing to give what i think is a good

colleague the benefit of the doubt proven otherwise is. doubt until proven otherwise is. but honest , most of my but to be honest, most of my institu friends and most of us institu friends and most of us in parliament get in almost actual jobs. it's not been the centre of attention. we've got things to do . oh no, you've got things to do. oh no, you've got a lot to do. i don't doubt that for one moment. but you know, if you're company and you're running a company and there's problem over a senior there's a problem over a senior member of staff, i would suggest what you did was you as the boss, call people into the room , you for testimony , you , you ask for testimony, you make a decision, you act. what rishi sunak has done here, he's palmed this off to the ethics adviser , which means this row adviser, which means this row drags on for week after week , drags on for week after week, making it ben bradlee harder for you to do your job as an mp. he you to do yourjob as an mp. he really likes it as an mp. clearly, when all of this dominates the newspapers, not least as i say, it's far from the most important thing going on in the country right now. everyone would love for that not to be the case for us to talk about all the many, many issues

affecting our constituents. but as ever and perhaps it speaks to as ever and perhaps it speaks to a wider challenge across government, there's always an independent new body to push something off to . isn't that in something off to. isn't that in all of those public services and other challenges as well? this yeah.i other challenges as well? this yeah. i mean, it's just passing the buck as far as i'm concerned, but what i've got you are very important i'm about to talk to the author of the civitas report, which was published overnight, which says that in the year 2000 there were 24 million people living in this country who took more of the system than they paid into it. and that number is rocketed, exploded to 36 million, 53% of britons. and by the way, we do include in this pension funds, we do include in this health care . but the thought we're now care. but the thought we're now living in a country that's had 12 years of conservative rule , 12 years of conservative rule, where a majority of the country are net recipients from the state. surely this can't go on

now . absolutely. and there are now. absolutely. and there are very interesting statistics . very interesting statistics. it's kind of what i was getting out with that point about there being another quango or they have a growing size of the state in terms of some of those areas where government just where the government just doesn't involved in doesn't need to get involved in the through the cost spirals through the roof. think the answer to this roof. i think the answer to this is to have a serious conversation about what is government for because you can't be everything everyone all be everything to everyone all the no what should try the time. no what should we try to not sure why the to be? i'm not sure why the government did less and did it better i think most would be better and i think most would be too. agree it's too. but i certainly agree it's not sustainable situation. no, not a sustainable situation. no, not a sustainable situation. no, no . i think not a sustainable situation. no, no. i think your you not a sustainable situation. no, no . i think your you know, your no. i think your you know, your taxpayer has your hard work as in constituent to see in your constituent to see whether they're self—employed or working are working for companies they are paying working for companies they are paying more of their money to an increasing number of people then who choose not to work. do you see simmering resentments on the streets ? we certainly see people streets? we certainly see people frustrated at paying more tax , frustrated at paying more tax, perceiving that they receive

less. i'm not sure it's a direct correlation between, you know , correlation between, you know, tax and unemployment or their welfare is the biggest level of spending. but i think public services more generally so i want to council we're having conversations about you know maybe i do long staffing maybe i don't do long staffing at schools anymore because the private that private sector can do that because need fund children's because i need fund children's services adult care services in adult care government needs to do the same in view and focus on the in my view and focus on the things that really matter and get its fingers some of the get its fingers out. some of the other stuff it other expensive stuff that it needs be involved ben needs to be involved in. ben bradley, joining us ben bradley, you for joining us ben bradley, you for joining us ben bradley there saying he wants to give a trusted colleague the benefit of the doubt, which i fully understand. i just think the revelation about greensill makes the his position pretty we'll see whether i'm right or whether i'm wrong over the course the coming weeks. one thing's for certain this story will not go away . maybe, who will not go away. maybe, who knows? he'll resigned before wednesday. the prime minister's questions will have to say, i can't be certain . what we can be can't be certain. what we can be certain of is that tim knox, the author of the great disconnect

for civitas, has produced some. and just put those figures to and i just put those figures to him, ben bradlee and i can him, to ben bradlee and i can see it myself. people who are working perhaps in many cases, longer hours than they've ever worked, pay more tax that they've ever paid. being told by they've ever paid. being told by the chancellor that over the next few years numbers of them will be dragged into plus will be even greater. i mean , how, be even greater. i mean, how, how, how have we gone from 24 million in the year 2000 to 36 million in the year 2000 to 36 million now? how we got here , million now? how we got here, some of it, it has to be said, was government response to the pandemic . yeah, that was pandemic. yeah, that was a particular low , big spike , which particular low, big spike, which was caused by the government reaction to that . but over reaction to that. but over a penod reaction to that. but over a period of time with its 20 years, 40 years, 30 years, the trend is steadily upwards. years, 40 years, 30 years, the trend is steadily upwards . the trend is steadily upwards. the seventies and eighties, it was

about % but now as you say, it's about% but now as you say, it's 54. and the real question is how much longer can this keep going up ? 60, 70. would we be happy up? 60, 70. would we be happy that i think there a real danger and i don't think the problem lies within the vigils circles at home, as it were. i think the problem is the system okay. i mean, clearly an population must play mean, clearly an population must play some part of this equation, not as much as you think. you know, to their credit , osborne know, to their credit, osborne and cameron actually managed to reverse the decline just by a few point at a time when the population was ageing . it is population was ageing. it is much more to do with specific measures , but excessive with measures, but excessive with services, but with the with incredible rises in health spending , which we've seen over spending, which we've seen over the last 20 years, with the pandemic measures which were

extraordinary and the whole blair and brown so, so huge increase . is there also a change increase. is there also a change of mentality that the welfare state you know and lloyd george and coastal did it over a hundred years ago but post only 45 the welfare state put that as a safety net and something that all civilised societies believe they have to some degree . is it they have to some degree. is it now considered to be a right that the state gives you money as opposed to the safety net if things go wrong for ? some things go wrong for? some obviously that is the case and thatis obviously that is the case and that is deeply, deeply regrettable . but again, i think regrettable. but again, i think it is the problem is more the system is the system encourages you to stay at home, not to get to work. then that is the problem . have we seen 500,000 problem. have we seen 500,000 people suddenly drop of the labour force that that is a huge, huge question . it means huge, huge question. it means that they stop paying tax are taking huge amounts of benefits

and if that continues is where we have a very rise in the number of people who as disabled and semi disabled . what's going and semi disabled. what's going on there ? it's very difficult to on there? it's very difficult to divide them all out fairly but clearly are problems with the way the system operates . you way the system operates. you don't suddenly get half a million people suddenly disabled . you made something wrong, obviously, because it did have an impact but much of it might well have just been the people realised that they couldn't stay at home and live off a little bit less and actually have a perfectly good life. so yeah. no, i'm sure the sum of happening. so tim if analyse the problem you've given these figures which we all knew that more and more people were , more and more people were, beneficiaries of the state, you put some hard numbers on this and the numbers that have really made people sit up and think, but is there anybody is there

any thinking over the road there? anybody thinking maybe should try and turn this around ? well i think it's useful to look at one practical possibility, which what could be done. yeah. which make a huge difference very quickly . and difference very quickly. and thatis difference very quickly. and that is to the state pension, retirement age . you are talking retirement age. you are talking about the beginnings of the welfare state at that time? the pension age was set at 70 as old when life expectancy was just 55 years old. life expectancy is 90 years old. life expectancy is 90 years old. life expectancy is 90 years old. so if you at 67 or 70, you're going to have lived 20 years of healthy life expectancy was previously obviously that wasn't the case . obviously that wasn't the case. but if you going to say to the population large we are going to increase the age which you can get your state pension, which

some people will rightly say, oh, but i've been paying into it all my life. it was a contract. but yeah, yep. then obviously as a politician you are going to be very well. this is very a very difficult problem to solve politically . look, first, your politically. look, first, your macro wants to increase the pension age from 62 to 64 and over a million people setting off fire crackers in the streets off fire crackers in the streets of paris. a few ago. absolutely. it's a problem common to the whole of the western world and it's one which will go away and it's one which will go away and it will only get worse indeed in the next year to three years, it will get worse . the will get worse. the extraordinary amount of , money extraordinary amount of, money that suddenly being injected into the whole of our benefit system is going exacerbate these numbers. that is , for example, numbers. that is, for example, the 500,000 people who suddenly and i think you're talking about , have dropped out of the laboun , have dropped out of the labour. that's the energy price

guarantee , which is give n £400 guarantee, which is given £400 to every single household as the 10% increase in benefits, which is going to kick in april. these all add up and the number of dependents on the state is going to increase . well, i'm going to to increase. well, i'm going to thank you for putting some numbers on what we need was a growing problem. depressing, though it is . i wish i could though it is. i wish i could bear of what i hear, but tim is right. we're going to have to think about this very differently. we simply can't afford this. we afford to go on like this. we can't afford to have pension can't afford to have the pension age it is we can't afford. age where it is we can't afford. i'm afraid the benefits to continue where they are. but these all very, very these are all very, very difficult things for politicians to say to the public. and eight years ago , tony blair, shortly years ago, tony blair, shortly after he was elected, told frank field to go away and think the unthinkable in terms of pension age and benefits. and frank, did and tony blair sacked him. it just shows you how difficult all this is . in a moment, we're this is. in a moment, we're going to talk about energy .

going to talk about energy. you're being told turn off the electricity, you'll a bonus from your company. isn't that ? i'm your company. isn't that? i'm going to tell you why. your company. isn't that? i'm going to tell you why . moment. going to tell you why. moment. actually, we're beginning energy rationing. seriously if .

so, your views rishi sunak, is he a leader? is he a decisive leader because i just don't think he is. you have to say barry says not a democratically elected one. well, that's certainly true, barry. what leadership qualities does he have? because i wouldn't follow him through a drive through very good. him through a drive through very good . another view, it says yes good. another view, it says yes he's literally the prime minister. what he may well be the prime minister. but is he acting like a prime minister. he's i just think we've seen this over years. you get a minister that's in trouble more

and more little stories come out as they've done with the greensill thing. and in the end, they have to go. and you look back on it and think it would have been better if they'd gone at the start. and by kicking this off into the long grass , this off into the long grass, asking his ethics adviser to guarantees this would be in the news for weeks , doesn't do him news for weeks, doesn't do him any good. ryan no, he's a puppet . the real leader is chair yes. well, i have to confess , i've well, i have to confess, i've thought that from the very start. and finally , andy says start. and finally, andy says he's obviously a leader. the question should be , is he an question should be, is he an effective all good one? to which the answer would be emphatically no . all right, andy, i get it in no. all right, andy, i get it in literal terms, of course, he is the leader. what i. i was shortening it. what i meant was, is a good, decisive leader. maybe he gives us stability , you maybe he gives us stability, you know, that's what everybody wanted. at the wanted. now if you look at the newspapers and even news reports, you'll be told that a wonderful thing is going on. yeah, the electricity

yeah, wonderful. the electricity companies are going to pay you money. how about that ? that's money. how about that? that's cracking. isn't that really all you've got to do is be registered and turn off your clients . it's between five and 6 clients. it's between five and 6 pm. my content it is far from being good. this shows you what a bloomin mess. we're in but somebody who knows far more about this i do is of course friend of the program former government adviser on energy security clive moffitt well could even name those if he didn't predict this would happen. we've talked about what happen. we've talked about what happen when the weather got cold. explain to folks what's really going on. well, i think it's appalling, really. the is taken off all this time for the great to finally concede that it will become it's going to become normal for them to either voluntarily induce customers to cut off the demand all i suspect actually and force some form of regular blackout rates to

actually balance supply and demand of electricity . and i demand of electricity. and i think it's a testament to the fact that successive governments, i think for 15 years now , have in their pursuit years now, have in their pursuit of decarbonisation of electricity system, have basically ignored the need to underpin new investments in energy and in particular the need to sustain gas for heating power in the 10 to 15 years. yes mean however bigger stock we have of wind turbines or solar panels we're always going to need that for well we're going to need that fossil fuel back up for a very long time up with. yes, we are. and i think intermittency is an interesting question people say all wind is intermittent there two intermittent there are two aspects this grid is aspects to this the grid is announced today scheme which announced today a scheme which quite a drop in the quite frankly is a drop in the ocean in terms of its impact on the balance. and it the short term balance. and it might do 1 to 200 megawatt if people subscribe and pay their , people subscribe and pay their, you know, and agree with their

supply to be off . but the supply to be cut off. but the point is, in terms of intermittency, we've had situations not very recently where the systems effectively or three or four days of high pressure cold this resulted in wind only contributing 4% of electricity demand despite fact we have ten gigawatts installed wind capacity today, so nobody quite knows if you if you quadruple that which is the target by 2030. yeah. how much more balancing are you going to require? how much more money is going to have to be paid to actually reduce demand to match supply and point is that we need to increase this for things that need to be done here. we need to have more gas generated both peak and baseload we need to have more gas storage. yeah and we need to have a much more effective system of regulating voluntarily within district industries. gas demand so that the gas used for power is there

and gas for heating domestic households that when it's required . the final thing i required. the final thing i think we point is this whole decision today is that in many ways the electricity system , ways the electricity system, which is still a part of grid and the offshore for that matter, have also ceased to be fit for purpose . i think the fit for purpose. i think the governance of the energy market in particular the way that politics everyday is playing a role in what our long term investment decisions . we need to investment decisions. we need to take the politics out of the energy. i think we need to scrap off, chairman. i think also we need to take the ieso role out of grid and create an independent strategic authority to balance both gas and electricity and set long term . electricity and set long term. and by long term, i mean certainly 40 year targets, which sense in terms of balancing security, affordability and the longer term reducing emissions. clive, thank you. it's not

you've predicted for a long week you've predicted for a long week you've been saying for months this winter things could get tough and they're beginning to get tough. now, we've been doing our best expose some of the our best to expose some of the flaws this failing energy flaws within this failing energy market that clive described a moment , and said to moment ago, and we've said to you , if you're having problems, you, if you're having problems, if your direct debit to an unreasonable level, let us help you i'm pleased to say some more of you who've been in touch with us have written in to us. gordon has written in to say thank you gb news for the information regarding refunds for energy bills. my wife contacted our suppliers a day we're told the refund requested by my wife of £770 will be sent to us within the next 7 to 10 days. thank you again. we're really pleased to help you there . and another one, help you there. and another one, another example of this came from nicola and she'd received a so many of us from her energy . i so many of us from her energy. i can't name the suppliers . i can't name the suppliers. i thank you . your direct debit has thank you. your direct debit has

been changed to £116 a month. this payment will start from the 2nd of february. so we did a bit of digging on her behalf and this is the upshot this morning. the energy firm firm me and told me they are handling a refund of my credit balance of five £500. many thanks nigel and his team for taking trouble to action this for me it worked so we all managing to stand up and help and viewers and listeners of gb news we'll go on doing it that was the scandal of direct debits being put up. the other we're going to dig into and ofgem be fair at least have talked about this today is the number of forced installation prepayment metres is running at a very high rate . i think it's on five. yeah rate. i think it's on five. yeah pre—payment metres i think energy suppliers like because it gives them control and also as you described it can get money upfront and gives them nice credit balances on their balance

sheet which ofgem of doing critical of now . and the other critical of now. and the other thing is that both the government the base to some extent and grid are keen to have a lot of people on metres. you can't on this flexibility scheme without a metre and i think to some extent it unlocks the door to control in a way that is only those and. so i am i traditionally would still recommend that you pay on the bafis recommend that you pay on the basis of what you've read. absolutely absolutely. and folks i haven't got a metre. you must make your own minds up. but if you have metre, they have total control over. clive. thank you . control over. clive. thank you. we will go on telling you the truth about the problems in our energy market, but also try to help you, the consumer .

well, really suit looks weak and indecisive me because he's not deaung indecisive me because he's not dealing with this are we situation so more your thoughts on twitter someone says me fine twice for breaking the law unfortunately it's no longer shocking or surprising to anyone and that's the sad thing we've come to accept the tories lies breaking of the law as political landscape. graham says. in a word, no . and case, i think, word, no. and case, i think, makes a very thoughtful point about rishi says he seems a decent guy performing to the best of his ability . but decent guy performing to the best of his ability. but i decent guy performing to the best of his ability . but i don't best of his ability. but i don't personally see a leader that . i personally see a leader that. i see a manager. you instinctive , see a manager. you instinctive, you know a leader when you see one, they have presence. a character can read the mood . character can read the mood. those who follow and can lead you forward from the front and, i'm afraid. sunak, i don't think can do that. he is much more of a manager now , i said. a a manager now, i said. a shocking story that has broken . shocking story that has broken. talk about what the farage

moment somebody who came to this country to be a 14 year old from afghanistan as an asylum seeker but actually turned out he wasn't 14. he but actually turned out he wasn't14. he was but actually turned out he wasn't 14. he was actually over 20. he murdered somebody who was an aspirant royal marine most shockingly of all, he was convicted in italy for drug deaung convicted in italy for drug dealing , a double murder in dealing, a double murder in serbia . he was refused asylum in serbia. he was refused asylum in norway . and we let him into this norway. and we let him into this country . and that's what he country. and that's what he does. and i am not trying to demonise everybody that crosses the english channel or comes the back of a lorry. but if you let in a large number of single men not knowing much about their backgrounds or their identities , what do you expect? and by the way, yesterday, 442 people crossed the english channel and were taken into the processing centres at dover and manston . centres at dover and manston. some estimates are it could be as many as 80,000 this year. while we're on it 76, 76

children have gone missing from hotels in brighton and hove. now proper bleep a lot of them would like about their age they've absconded to go off work in some of the criminal industries . but of the criminal industries. but there is a real danger actually serious, dangerous child exploitation also . but that's exploitation also. but that's all right because westminster turns a blind eye. on a lighter note . nigel's hour ends. turns a blind eye. on a lighter note . nigel's hour ends . yes, note. nigel's hour ends. yes, they been in danger for some , they been in danger for some, they been in danger for some, the name is virtually disappearing so well done to present a zoo down to now fryston and sussex because they have got a newborn on a critically endangered cotton top tamarin monkey and monkey. for those that are watching it there there is the monkey and they've named the new monkey nigel because they want to keep tamarins going and they want to keep the name nigel going to say thank you to the zoo . the name

thank you to the zoo. the name has literally just disappeared off the cliff and it's not i promise you all, my fault . in promise you all, my fault. in a moment, we're going to talk cricket. we're going to talk leadership. we're going to talk what's on with one of our great national sports. i'll be joined by member a great kent by a member of a great kent cricketing dynasty, former england captain chris cowdrey joins me talking points. joins me for talking points. coming up on dan wootton tonight how can our police forces bring back order to a lawless britain . former new york mayor and lawyer to donald trump, rudy giuliani offers his expertise on tackling crime. plus, as failed mayor of london sadiq khan sneers at tory celebrities like jim davidson , the legendary jim davidson, the legendary comic is ready and waiting to hit back . and is king charles hit back. and is king charles right to ban prince harry from the buckingham palace if he attends the commons and joins on

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it's my favourite time of the day. it's talking minds. i'm joined by cowdrey chris. welcome good evening to the program . good evening to the program. good evening to the program. good to see you. thank you. now as a lifelong supporter it's great to have you on the program. what i mean, the cowdrey is what a kent cricketing . take us through all cricketing. take us through all the counties that have played for the county. well had a few, of course. my old man was quite good. yes, looking back, he was he was a sort of beckham. beckham his era . i mean, he beckham of his era. i mean, he was he obviously played all those matches and became those test matches and became lord cowdrey for services to , lord cowdrey for services to, cricket and all that. and, you know then was poor little know, then there was poor little me and then graham, my younger brother, who play who very sadly

died years ago. very popular , died years ago. very popular, brilliant striker of a ball . brilliant striker of a ball. these days he probably played in the test team under ben stokes. so we're going to come to that. and my young son, fabian, who did really well for two or three years then out of the game. years and then out of the game. fantastic club. i see it's not been as good in recent years. perhaps it was, but who knows now that you're the president this year. i'm in great things. i've no doubt the good have come to kent cricket but for you chris i mean you know your dad played 114 test matches i mean one of the classiest batsmen we've ever produced in this country. but let's face it, at a legend, quite tough for you. i mean, wouldn't it be to easy a footballer? yeah it would. when i started playing , i never i started playing, i never thought i'd last very long. i thought, i've got a good eye and i've loved playing love sport. but i didn't really have anything else to do. so i thought, i'll have a little, you know, i got off a contract probably because of the name

begin be then begin with, to be honest. then i started doing okay and stayed in. you there were in. then, you know, there were a lot advantages on because you lot of advantages on because you get because your get recognised because of your name. then the name. yeah. and then the decision to appear like you decision just to appear like you know, you're in bad form , know, if you're in bad form, something you get wherever i went country it's not went in the country it's not football. we were very accessible . the crowd to any accessible. the crowd to any audience and so i'd be having a little practise for the game. at least ten people every single day of my career you to coaches i saw your old man play he got to hundred and 40 and i might just you know i might just have got no one to know so i suppose i could quite difficult did you being compared all the time i guess. aren't you. yeah, i think so. and i think it was quite difficult, me being kent to begin with when i walked into a dressing room full of top players, all who'd play with him. yeah you started in the seventies, didn't you? playing became. yeah. 70, 76, 70. just did a great side wasn't . it was. did a great side wasn't. it was. it was really good side. it was

just the end of that amazing era where they won everything in the early seventies . yeah, yeah. but early seventies. yeah, yeah. but a bit of a disappointment ever since this. well oh, no, no, no, no, no . they've had some good no, no. they've had some good times. it's easy, say, using you being a kent man. times. it's easy, say, using you being a kent man . oh, being a kent man. oh, absolutely. i did. for about 3 seconds in, you know . you know seconds in, you know. you know where i was born, by the way? can i ask you a question? same place have overall place i was. i have overall stronger of. i catch it . stronger sort of. i catch it. yeah. got a few things yeah. they've got a few things wrong but were in the wrong there, but you were in the chris carey was certainly you're a couple of years ahead of me. i'm pleased to say, because it's you know you got on to the you got into the england set up you started playing some test cricket and then that extraordinary summer of 1988 and the west indies were mean. we were getting smashed with whether it was there or we were getting obliterated by them and our batsmen having a lot me was one of the people that did stand out against him and he's been on this program a couple of times, but the extraordinary and i remember i heard the news chris

cowdrey is going to become england captain , but that must england captain, but that must be the right decision . and it be the right decision. and it lasted for one test match. i mean, i've always been critical, you know, of the cricketing authorities is the ecb what the hell ? well, i was brought authorities is the ecb what the hell? well, i was brought in because we were having a disaster, of course, against the best side in the world. and so know mike gatting did it for a bit and then john embry and i was the third and then graham gooch to the last test but i was brought in really i was told with a view to taking the side to india i was a better player of spin than i was pace bowling so fun when i got so it wasn't fun when i got selected play against west selected to play against west indies with ambrose marshall, that's and the that's benjamin all that and the idea said, don't worry. idea was they said, don't worry. well, probably to lose the well, we're probably to lose the west indies didn't matter. you know, get used to doing the job and take to and you can take the side to india but then i got injured after the first game. i missed the test and i to be the oval test and i to be honest, i expected come, but honest, i expected to come, but i did . have say, i never did. i have to say, i remember this, you know, you

didn't one game you had this little wasn't serious, but you were you i couldn't were out. but you i couldn't believe badly . well, believe they you so badly. well, they changed mind, you know , i they changed mind, you know, i think i you know, i didn't play very well. and in the game at headingley, then not many of us did . lamb you mentioned. lamb he did. lamb you mentioned. lamb he pulled the calf muscle in that match . i pulled the calf muscle in that match. i think he pulled the calf muscle in that match . i think he was pulled the calf muscle in that match. i think he was on pulled the calf muscle in that match . i think he was on about match. i think he was on about 60, 65. and it could all have changed if he'd fit and got 120. we were actually quite well in that game , but you will quite that game, but you will quite well position to do the job as an all rounder the word any conflict there, particularly which they can be was know lead bowlers and batsmen and to be dropped effectively after one game you must you must have felt better about it chris a bit is a funny word i did to begin with after a while and i just sort of got to it somehow, you know, i felt , you know, people got to it somehow, you know, i felt, you know, people kept coming up to me and say, oh, well done. at least you did the job. yeah. and i thought, well, actually, yeah, yes, yeah. you know that that's liz truss know that that's what liz truss said . very good. yeah she did

said. very good. yeah she did say that. oh i a betterjob say that. oh i did a betterjob and of well who knows what but you know i got picked because the kent side we had a young side and experience , we were top side and experience, we were top of the table by miles . and i of the table by miles. and i think people recognised that we had really something going, had an amazing spirit and i sort of always felt that we got picked. three the england captain the kent so that side we didn't have a lot big names, all the big ones. derek not all those big names had pretty well over, had retired. yeah. so it was, was an amazing year. i still look, look back on it but certain amount of fun this week came second as well in that championship by one point. i rememberi remember the point. i remember i remember the goodi point. i remember i remember the good i remember got there so good i remember i got there so thanks for bringing that year up . well, no, i the you were a bit unlucky but yeah. and after that, chris sort of so—called rebel you're just in africa . i rebel you're just in africa. i remember having this conversation with derek

underwood because he'd done a similar thing a decade before. yeah.i similar thing a decade before. yeah. i mean, the truth is, cricket wasn't a very well paid game in those days, was a it wasn't well paid, but also my point of i'd gone point of view, i'd just gone through that england captaincy it then i was thinking , it was then i was thinking, well, i'm not going to play for england again. there's no way if they're of after they're getting rid of me after one picking me one game. i think picking me again, was an opportunity. again, it was an opportunity. i thought time was probably thought at the time was probably quite blinkered, but i felt at the time, what opportunity the time, what an opportunity again and play at top again to go and play at the top level and it never really happened because. happened there because. nelson mandela fairly mandela was released fairly early on that tour and we early on in that tour and we came home, but it was a pretty traumatic time in south africa then and ultimately however you want to argue this, you can neven want to argue this, you can never, ever separate sport and politics really. can you ? sadly politics really. can you? sadly not. will you know more about that than than anyone? well you can't. you can't. i mean, it's just impossible . but, hey, it just impossible. but, hey, it happened. just impossible. but, hey, it happened . and since then, you've happened. and since then, you've you've you've developed this reputation as an after dinner speaker to compare and you enjoy

all of that, don't it? i love i sort of got really into working for the lord's tavern, a lot of work for the charity yeah. and they got me talking, got me up on my feet a lot and now can't shut me up. i love i host a lot of events under the post and all those sort of people. we have a wonderful time hosting and occasional auctions and speaking and i've seen them in action . and i've seen them in action. seen you in action. you're very good at you. want to book somebody up a cricket he somebody up a cricket dinner? he is man . cricket today, as i is your man. cricket today, as i mentioned, your president of kent this 20, 23 year. well, kent for this 20, 23 year. well, two things going on here. it seems to me. well, the county the traditional county game dying in terms of no one's going to watch it. it's been crowded out by evermore. one day competitions, including this recent hundred. why the hell we need the hundred. we got t20 anyway? i mean, do tell me. no i don't. i don't understand it. i people in higher places are

saying give it a chance, give it give it a year, two or three years. this is our competition. this is this is english. this is british. but for me, we've got the hundred? yep. the t20 t, the county cricket, the 50 over game test cricket. i mean, it's too complicated. it's too much . i complicated. it's too much. i do. i do. see, the 100 is bringing in a lot of girls, a lot of women to support it, and a lot of young kids who would probably never watch a game of cricket. i thought t20 was sort of doing i. anyway, i've been to beckenham right sunday beckenham right on a sunday afternoon to watch a t20 game. i vowed i'd never do it because it wasn't really cricket and yet i've got to tell you, it was huge fun. there were loads of kids there. it ticked all of those boxes. we didn't need the hundred anyway, but cricket supporters were getting a bit too deep, but the traditional county game struggling , county game struggling, struggling to attract the levels of interest that it did. and yet we do need that longer. at least we do need that longer. at least we thought we needed that longer form in the game as the nursery

ground for test cricket and what has happened in cricket, i mean, goodness me, you know. joe root fantastic , one of our greatest fantastic, one of our greatest batsmen ever at test level, but one win in 17 matches as captain and if he comes, stokes you know the i mean he's so alpha he's more alpha male the both he is he is i mean extra ordinary figure i got to be honest i thought i'm not sure he catches the right i mean he's he's is i think he's one nine out of ten matches. yeah i mean england if you ever seen a better testing than never seen one playing like this but there's never been a team in the whole the history of cricket has played like this when suddenly started when australia suddenly started scoring for an over about 15, 20 years ago. people go for an over in a test match and they were running everybody ragged in the field. they were down the pitch a shots but no one's ever a bit shots but no one's ever done what stokes has done here. this is ridiculous . 500 we

this is ridiculous. 500 we scored in a day against pakistan , all on the pitch that no one could play on. it was could play a shot on. it was slow and low. and what he's done is he walked into that is amazing. he walked into that england apparently, england room, apparently, when he just got the job and he shut them all down. and he said from now you play like rock stars. and that was it that was it. that was a team talk. apparently was done and he just wants everybody to go and express themselves and. no one gets blamed to say he's the sort of chap you fought over top, isn't he? definitely definitely. and he? definitely definitely. and he does everything . he's the he does everything. he's the best fielder. he's very a very useful bowler. if it wasn't his knee, he'd be. that's that's why he never. yeah. i mean, in terms of wickets taken, he can never, he'll never reach them in terms of but of wickets taken. but but leadership matters . leadership really matters. leadership is the thing. he's got everything else to say about and bowlers. feels and see bowlers. he feels as interesting he's captaincy interesting but he's captaincy this is what he watching him at lord's . i've never seen anything lord's. i've never seen anything like it a batsman going well against a 6070 not out and he's he's got four slips and two

girls attacking him and then a lender comes in, he takes all slips out, puts them on the back . he's people. but he's . i think he's people. but he's too exact cricket . final too exact cricket. final thoughts on cricket as a game yeah, because globally cricket is growing in the most extraordinary way and even 30 clubs down around chicago that have sprung up. the ipl india is the sport. i mean, okay, we can argue about 120 and all the rest of it, but actually the game's in pretty good health, isn't it? yeah think t20 has done that . be yeah think t20 has done that. be honest. that's, that's brought in the masses i suppose. i no but stokes is now doing it. he and mccullum are bringing it into test cricket and if the world follows suit and they all try play world follows suit and they all try play like and we've try and play like that and we've got aussies coming this got the aussies coming this summer can't wait, which is going to be it's going to be going to be a it's going to be hard to tell you, i can't hard i got to tell you, i can't wait. did a funny thing wait. i did read a funny thing in private eye christmas and in private eye at christmas and they said that they really felt that test cricket was destroying the see what it the one day game. see what it

stripped away, the much excitement. chris cafferty, thank joining banks to thank you for joining banks to see it's . john says nigel see how it's. john says nigel have you ever got a golden duck in a game of cricket. well, i've never bowled a hat trick that yes, i did get a golden duck and i'm a member of the primary club, which is a charity that supports kids to play cricket . i supports kids to play cricket. i even a few golden derby i'm a member to but anyone that's got a duck in the first ball a golden nugget any of cricket you can join the primary club this thursday will be in crawley. such is the demand . we've such is the demand. we've increased the size of the venue . i've got half a dozen plus tickets left . if you want to tickets left. if you want to come. gb news dot uk done with you tomorrow. now over to laurence fox . thanks nigel. laurence fox. thanks nigel. tonight we will be talking about nadine, obviously, and should the plebs turn off the heating and china ? and we will also be

and china? and we will also be talking about five paintings and good work painting off the weather . good good work painting off the weather. good evening, i'm alex deakin. this is your latest update from the met office. the south split continues tonight. clear and frosty for many in the south mile and cloudy further north. so will be some thick fog patches . however, particularly patches. however, particularly in the area of high pressure across parts the south, further north, we've got pressure's just drifting to the north of scotland, but they are bringing westerly breezes, a lot of cloud a bit of drizzle here and there over northern scotland. some light drizzle possible in southern scotland, northwest england. but for most it's dry weather. we've got the clear skies in the south. that's where we are going to see things turning potentially foggy and certainly frosty once certainly it will be frosty once more. well freezing towns and more. well freezing in towns and cities at much lower and rural spots, not quite as cold across the far south—east in east anglia, quite cloudy skies here, even the odd shower possible, especially close the coast. it's going to make for a great cold

day on tuesday. some fog around first thing across parts of england and wales may take a while to clear, but then we should sunny spells a lot should some sunny spells a lot of cloud across north wales northwest england , scotland and northwest england, scotland and northern some rain northern ireland with some rain trickling the but some trickling into the but some brighter skies because aberdeenshire could see highs of 12, maybe even 13 worse for the for south, five degrees, even with the sunshine where fog sticks, temperatures struggle to get much above freezing and a frost will return pretty rapidly tomorrow evening as well. and again, we could have some fog patches thickening up across the south. further north shift, we've got these lines of rain spreading in. these are weather fronts bringing a damp start to wednesday morning across parts of southern and that will trickle its way into northern england of wales as well. so a different day here behind those, those fronts, brightest guys will follow on wednesday across scotland and northern ireland with just a few showers in the south, it will be another cold day on wednesday, but signs of

temperatures starting to tick up here as we go through the rest the week. goodbye .

hello there. in just a moment on gb news is headliners. but first, let's bring you the latest news headlines and the top story tonight, the prime minister asked an independent ethics adviser to investigate the tory party chair's tax affairs, nadhim zahawi welcomed the investigation, saying confident he acted properly throughout the former chancellor admitted though he paid a penalty hmrc following an over shares in the polling yougov which he co founded. he hasn't disclosed the size of the settlement, which is believed to be almost £5 million. and the bbc's richard sharp says he welcome a review into how he got