hi there. at 6:00. i'm michelle dewberry and this is troops anchor of the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got us talking today. and i'll tell you who was talking today. jeremy hunt's. did you see us to be more see him.7 he wants us to be more positive this see him? he wants us to be more positive this great positive about this great country prosper . positive about this great country prosper. he's country and prosper. he's reaching out to you . the lazy reaching out to you. the lazy so—and—so's that were come back to the workplace . are you one of to the workplace. are you one of them? what do you reckon to this whole notion that you just been a bit bone idle? maybe you might be 50 plus. you might have made a small fortune. you taking it easy? should you really have to come to world of work come back to the world of work just help out this

just to help out this government? want your government? i want to your thoughts yes to i mean, thoughts on that. yes to i mean, goodness gracious me, this thing has been going on for years and years and years. progress, though, is very sparse. now there's rumours that perhaps were even reached the end destination of euston. some say it will. some say it was. some say , you know what? that's say, you know what? that's enough. get rid of the whole hate chest to think all together. what says you and the state pension age? when should we be able to claim it? 68 is the suggested age. do you share that? is it too old? is it too young and gamble ? do you like a young and gamble? do you like a little bit of a flutter? what do you think of this then ? there's you think of this then? there's calls that there should be tougher regulation on the gambling industry. would you celebrate that or do you think it's nanny state gone mad? tonight i've got my friday favourites with me. i'll be telling you who they are. you probably know who they are if you regulus before we you are regulus boss before we get two, we'll get get into those two, we'll get into headlines instead .

into the headlines instead. michelle thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the chancellor has insisted the best tax cut for the uk is to cut inflation. that's as he sets out his long term plans for growing the economy. with inflation close to a 40 year high, jeremy hunt has reiterated the government's pledge to halve it this year. he's promised to use brexit freedoms to boost growth and reverse what he calls a decline as an attitude towards the economy . some of the gloom the economy. some of the gloom is based on statistics that don't reflect the whole picture . like every g7 country, our growth was slower in the years after the financial crisis than before it. but since 2010, the uk has grown faster than france , japan and italy. i want to ask you to help turn the uk into the world's next silicon valley . if world's next silicon valley. if anyone is thinking of starting

or investing in an innovation or technology centre, business. i want them to do it here . jeremy want them to do it here. jeremy hunt also confirmed today hs2 will run to central london's euston station as planned. it follows reports the government was planning to scale back this leg of the project, instead terminating in a west london suburb. the rail link is costing ove r £44.6 billion, but over £44.6 billion, but supporting 22,000 jobs despite increasing costs due to soaring inflation. the chancellor says it is a priority . the chair of it is a priority. the chair of anindepend it is a priority. the chair of an independ and review into an nhs trusts maternity care says he adds the families and staff have raised concerns after it was fine d £800,000, admitting was fined £800,000, admitting failings in the care of a baby who died 23 minutes after birth . nottingham university hospitals trust had thei r £1.2 hospitals trust had their £1.2 million fine, reduced after pleading guilty to providing

unsafe care. is the highest fine ever issued for failings in maternity care. winter sophia andrews died in 2019 at the queen's medical centre. her mother, sarah andrews , says no mother, sarah andrews, says no financial penalty will bring her daughter back . we thank the daughter back. we thank the judge and recognise the delicate balance she has made to impose this significant fine which we hope sends a clear message to trusts managers that they must hold patients safety in the highest regard . sadly we are not highest regard. sadly we are not the only family harmed by the trust's failings . we feel that trust's failings. we feel that this sentence isn't just for winter , but it's for all the winter, but it's for all the other babies that have gone before and after . other babies that have gone before and after. her. a man has died after being crushed by a hydraulic urinal in central london. emergency services were called to the scene at cambridge circus in west london just after

1:00 this afternoon . a london 1:00 this afternoon. a london fire brigade spokesman say the man had been trapped below street level. and despite efforts by the emergency services to rescue him, the maintenance worker died at the scene . a fire fighter who was scene. a fire fighter who was critically injured while tackling a blaze at a former department store in scotland has died. police say barry martin, who'd remained in a critical condition in hospital , who'd remained in a critical condition in hospital, died at the royal infirmary of edinburgh. the 38 year old was one of five firefighters taken to hospital following the incident. the other four have since been discharged . since been discharged. superintendent david robinson says enquiries are ongoing to establish the full circumstances . a student nurses appeared in court charged with planning a terror attack at an raf base in nonh terror attack at an raf base in north yorkshire last year. 27 year old mohammed farooq is also charged with possession of explosives after he was arrested outside a leeds hospital last friday. a military bomb disposal

team was called to the hospital and a maternity ward was evacuated as a precaution. he's due to appear at the old bailey next friday. now, a british teenager whose far right videos influenced the gunman in an american mass shooting has been sentenced to 11 and a half years. daniel harris from derbyshire posted extremist videos calling for what he called the total extermination of subhumans. called the total extermination of subhumans . the videos within of subhumans. the videos within shared by payton gendron, who shot dead ten people at a supermarket in buffalo in new york . manchester crown court york. manchester crown court heard the videos were also unked heard the videos were also linked to anderson lily aldridge, the only suspect act in a shooting at a gay bar in colorado . and the king and queen colorado. and the king and queen consort have lit candles at buckingham palace to mark holocaust memorial day. king charles and camilla spoke with dr. martin stern, who survived a concentration camp during the second world war. they also met

a muna adam, a survivor of genocide in darfur in western sudan. today marks 78 years since auschwitz—birkenau , the since auschwitz—birkenau, the largest death camp , was largest death camp, was liberated. a day to remember all victims of genocide around the . victims of genocide around the. world tv online and the ap plus radio is gb news. now it's back to dewbs& co . to dewbs& co. thanks, tatiana . to dewbs& co. thanks, tatiana. well, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 this evening and alongside me we've got the political consultant alex dean, and the author of fireman and tragedy. les embry. you to my friday les paul embry. you to my friday favourites that's what i think very much if that's all the guys we know i don't put the fri word , but normally i do. so i do know my say the favourite but yeah but friday particularly was

there for you to you guys like these two at home as well don't you. you're in touch with me. all right. you saying that you love this panel tonight, so i do want thoughts on the want your thoughts on all the topics anything else that's topics and anything else that's on your mind. quite frankly, you can touch me the can get in touch with me the usual views that usual ways. gb views that gbnews.uk how can reach gbnews.uk is how you can reach me on email or you can tweet me at lots of you have at jb news. lots of you have been getting in touch already tonight. christine you message in you put trigger in is that can you put a trigger warning your show? because warning on your show? because your pressure goes sky your blood pressure goes sky high with some of my panels . not high with some of my panels. not tonight, because these tonight, though, because these two a sensible bunch. i have two are a sensible bunch. i have to be no shouting to say. there'll be no shouting because i know what you mean. sometimes a much, sometimes it gets a bit much, doesn't it? gary says , michelle, doesn't it? gary says, michelle, are line dancing tonight are you off line dancing tonight after your show? whilst ken asks, why if i attended work today dressed as a picnic blankets, i have to say, if you are listening, not watching , are listening, not watching, just look fabulous. don't worry about it. and speaking about looks before i get into my top story , which is jeremy hunt and story, which is jeremy hunt and what he's had to say, there is a

burning question that i've got to get my chest and put to get off my chest and put outlet to my viewers outlet to one of my viewers because speaking of twitter, today, i announced my friday favourite. so coming up, i announce that paul and alex, they're on my shirts tonight. and i got a reply from one of my usual viewers, regular viewers called george . george says, yes called george. george says, yes , i'll be watching and i'm looking forward to you outfit as well. you always look gorgeous. the first response was very prompt from alex dane, who said, thank you , paul. very quickly , thank you, paul. very quickly, pipes in said he was surely referring to me being paul . so, referring to me being paul. so, george, if you're watching, please can you clarify for the avoidance of doubt , though, avoidance of doubt, though, george, which to you fine specimen of mankind were you referring to on your tweets? response i'm intrigued. so i am plainly me am george and is the x factor panel? yes. we'll do our bit in front of it. yes, indeed. speaking of which, by the way, before i do get into jeremy hunt's, i you too are

going to be keeping me company for the foreseeable fridays, which is a real for me and which is a real treat for me and for at home. i want to for you at home. and i want to get a bit of a friday feeling going starting from next going on, starting from next week. bit too short week. it was a bit too short nofice week. it was a bit too short notice do it tonight. i think notice to do it tonight. i think we can crack open a beer. is a very good idea. i reluctantly accept very posh and i think we should try and do something a bit if you're at home, bit fun. so if you're at home, you any ideas that you'd you got any ideas that you'd like end our friday like to see us end our friday show with those three? get in touch, keep it clean. all suggestions are welcome, alex. he's already got a case of special brew under the desk. this slater, which she wishes pre—empts. and it obviously would be that desk. would be under that desk. caveat, would not be sat on caveat, it would not be sat on top of it. that is for sure. anyway, jeremy hunt's, he indeed was speaking morning. was out speaking this morning. did it ? there quite did you see it? there was quite a things to get into. a few things to get into. basically, he was talking about the four a's. it was talking about people getting back into the labour market. i was talking about he calls the decline about what he calls the decline ism of labour party and ism of the labour party and beyond people basically pulling the country down, talking it

down, lots of positive it say now you can pick whichever angle you want, whether it's lowering taxes, the foreign, the positivity, whatever you want. what was your thoughts on it ? what was your thoughts on it? well, i want us to be a lower tax economy. i want to us allow individuals to have more of their own money to spend as they choose, rather than having the state take more and choose state take more of it and choose how refrigerate on our behalf how to refrigerate on our behalf and expect to be and then expect us to be grateful. it's a double edged grateful. so it's a double edged sword because on the one sword for me because on the one hand understand he's hand i understand what he's trying do. i can see that trying to do. i can see that it's all part of a message to society and to the markets , to society and to the markets, to different audiences, the same message that things are calm and stable and that you don't need to worry as the trust squatting budget made people concerned. but if we are going to have tax cuts and if you don't, you've got to wonder what a tory government is for, especially given our state's consumption of gdp is at its highest ever level. now then you've got to wonder when are you going to do it? so i understand he's urging us keep the faith and say

us to keep the faith and to say tax cuts, but not yet. well, i understand that. but if not yet means the next quarter or two. all right. if it means the next year or two, not only we'll have a really effect on our a really bad effect on our economy, i think mean the economy, i think it'll mean the tory party is toast at the polls as well. so he's got a pretty narrow in my paul narrow window in my view. paul yes. so the tax cuts generally i think those who think tend to benefit those who have begin with. more have wealth to begin with. more than people. i think than poorer people. and i think the priority at the moment, particularly given the state of the you i mean, the economy, you look i mean, i could go along with targeted tax cuts for poor. no pity for cuts for the poor. no pity for the poorest sections society the poorest sections of society . you have no particular problem with strikes me that with that. it strikes me that actually the priority the actually the priority at the moment , as actually the priority at the moment, as we're about to head into a potentially very long and very deeply session, is to get real wages rising, because i think the last thing you need to be doing, going into a recession is reducing people's disposable income. and with people up and down the country at the moment having to suffer real terms, pay deductions, which so many

millions of workers are doing. i think that's going to have a really negative impact in terms of the overall economy, because what's he going to do in terms of demand in the economy? what's it going to do terms of it going to do in terms of growth? it going to do in growth? what's it going to do in terms know, increases in terms of, you know, increases in unemployment businesses unemployment and businesses closing and folding and so on? so, know , we can skirt so, you know, we can skirt around the edges and talk about who should we tax cuts, which should be cut, taxes, should we cut it now? but it seems to me the really important thing is to get wages up, to get get people's wages up, to get their income up, and their disposable income up, and to the least, to try to at the very least, temper some of what will be the really damaging and acute effects oncoming effects of the oncoming recession, only recession, intake of breath only only enthusiasts and me in some ways, because i think we may disagree than you think . i disagree less than you think. i want point out that want to point out that what you're is a flip you're talking about is a flip side the same coin. is side of the same coin. there is very little in wages very little benefit in wages going if the tax man then going up if the tax man then takes difference and takes the difference and disposable income is on the one hand, yes, boosted by people having higher wages. it's also boosted by the tax man taking

less. and one of the things we've had at every level of income tax is a fiscal drag where the state doesn't raise the level at which income tax goes up on different brackets, including the lowest at anything like same speed that we see like the same speed that we see inflation taking force. so the tax man does every bit as much to harm you believe your accurate belief in the importance of disposable income as wages ? think danger is as wages? i think the danger is if you take the argument to its logical conclusion, the actually all tax essentially is in terms of income taxes , it's always of income taxes, it's always going to be harmful then you make an argument really against having any sort of income tax at all. now i know people on the right will always invoke the laffer curve . they'll say that, laffer curve. they'll say that, you know , you get to a point you know, you get to a point where actually, you know, the tax becomes at such a level tax take becomes at such a level that you end up reducing your tax revenues . i think that's tax revenues. i think that's been largely debunked broadly. the laffer argument, that isn't to say of course, that it would be wise or judicious for any chancellor to wipe tax rates up

to really punitive levels . i to really punitive levels. i mean, you go back to the 1970s when dennis ely as a labour chancellor, talked about taxing the rich , and so the pipsqueak the rich, and so the pipsqueak 98, i don't particularly believe in those punitive levels of taxation, and i think you do get to a point where you think, hold on a second, am i really working for the state or am i really working for myself? but nonetheless, we're in a situation in alex where the economy fundamentally unfair. economy is fundamentally unfair. there people in there were some people in society, the society, predominantly the wealthy , who did very well out wealthy, who did very well out of the pandemic in the last couple of years, we've seen city bonuses surge and we've seen executive pay rise in handsomely. we've seen some of our corporation registering our corporation is registering record . there's been record profits. there's been a transfer of wealth in this country from poor to rich over the last couple of years. and how address that? one of how do we address that? one of the got to do in the things we've got to do in terms addressing it to terms of addressing it is to have taxation have a progressive taxation system where the rich pay system where the rich do pay more. we've also, i think, more. but we've also, i think, more. but we've also, i think, more broadly got talk about the whole structure of how economy, the fact that we've allowed the

real economy, productive real economy, the productive sector the vine, sector to wither on the vine, the that we invest much the fact that we invest so much in financial services in the city, this country, but we city, in this country, but we are quite happy to see deindustrialisation on a vast scale thousands of factory scale and thousands of factory is blue collar is closing and blue collarjobs moving abroad so on. it moving abroad and so on. it strikes that flexibility and strikes me that flexibility and i include the labour party in this. by way, nobody has this. by the way, nobody has really a handle that or really got a handle on that or anyway, in the last part anyway, i agree in the last part about party, you're about the labour party, you're conflating in my view, two issues. the first is that there's for there's been no incentive for a generation in this country to invest in the kind of things you would want to see to improve productivity. say, productivity. that is to say, training for individuals on the job, rises for job, better wage rises for people proving to be people who are proving to be good their job. to good at their job. so to incentivise them in incentivise them to stay in which and to go further which to do and to go further and better technology and power in the workplace because we've got low wages, because in the workplace because we've got had )w wages, because in the workplace because we've got had a' wages, because in the workplace because we've got had a market because in the workplace because we've got had a market inzcause in the workplace because we've got had a market in which we've had a market in which we've had a market in which we've basically had a for free all migration and people coming willing ultra low willing to work on ultra low salaries and long valued currency, something on which the labour party had no answer, certainly the immigration certainly on the immigration point. conflating

point. but you will conflating that you and that issue on which you and i might agree with a good might heartily agree with a good old fashioned soak the rich talking first said you weren't interested it. you then went interested in it. you then went on say the rich maybe, but on to say the rich maybe, but not the rest of them. well, i'm not the rest of them. well, i'm not sure i qualify. certainly i don't qualify with the 1% who pay don't qualify with the 1% who pay all tax. and it's got pay 30% of all tax. and it's got to what seen about one to and what we've seen about one and half and what we've an and a half and what we've an interesting quibble for you to therefore yield two main points and this this and what we've seen this this week the new rich list week with the new tax rich list being published here, the top of the the top of that list the guy on the top of that list pays the guy on the top of that list pay the guy on the top of that list pay s £487 million in tax. a guy pays £487 million in tax. a guy who's doing that, who's renounced his russian passport, denounced what putin does. and as a city traitor, which must make him the bad guy in paul's books, that contributes the books, that contributes to the exchequer circa 12,500 teachers wages fall individual right now i want to have i worked out what it wants it worth. what's he worth? i know he paid 485,000,000,485 seve n £187 485,000,000,485 seven £187 million in tax in a single year. so, yes, i think his firm's worth about 30 billion. but i

don't know what his other personal wealth is. what's wrong with that? want to have more with that? i want to have more people that. wouldn't people like that. you wouldn't have fewer that i don't believe in societies economies in it. societies or economies where despite where there are vast despite hches where there are vast despite riches between rich riches in wealth between rich and . and in fact, i think. and poor. and in fact, i think. why not? because. well, i. because i think it causes all sorts of problems within society. i think it causes jealousy. about the jealousy. no, it's not about the politics envy. it's simply politics of envy. it's simply saying know, if you're saying that, you know, if you're somebody you're cleaner somebody if you're a cleaner or if you're health worker, if if you're a health worker, if you're who works on the you're someone who works on the line in a factory or something like you work, like that, and you work, you know, hour work, our know, 45, 50 hour work, our week, actually, you know, week, then actually, you know, you in hard the best of you work in hard to the best of your you contributing your ability. you contributing to if you and you to society if you see and you might at the moment particularly be struggling to pay your mortgage and energy mortgage bills and your energy bills, putting bills, worrying about putting food table and and food on the table and so on. and if you actually that there if you see actually that there are individuals within society who in the city and who may work in the city and play who may work in the city and play stock and, you play the stock market and, you know, the gambling and the know, all the gambling and the casino stuff that obviously alex thinks he's really valuable and productive, probably thinks he's really valuable and prorquitea, probably thinks he's really valuable and prorquite angry probably thinks he's really valuable and prorquite angry that probably thinks he's really valuable and prorquite angry that theseiably get quite angry that these people earning money that's

people are earning money that's in a different stratosphere. markets to you can markets open to you. you can trade just fine in theory , but trade just fine in theory, but very difficult if you've got a pension, you're investing in the stock , you've got a pension stock, you've got a pension pool stock, you've got a pension pool. well, i've got an occupational pension. was invest well i look stock market but you know i'm saying to the know what i'm saying to the average person who happens to have occupational pension is have an occupational pension is not in the stock market not playing in the stock market every day, not directly, but they could do it. what you're saying is , look at all these saying is, look at all these rich people that play the stock market and then you're saying then you've got these cleaners that hour weeks and all that work 50 hour weeks and all the rest it. it's not the rest of it. it's not theoretical to say that if you want to could show me, want to if you could show me, share me seriously share with me seriously think that cleaner a 50 hour that a cleaner working a 50 hour week and in the minimum wage and may have kids to bring up has really got time or the really got the time or the inclination to go and the inclination to go and play the stock i think well i stock market. but i think well i think a i think think i think that's a i think i think i think that's a i think i think that's fanciful. so say we have agree that that society have we agree that that society has a duty to the very worst off whether it's then becomes in my view, the view, slightly unhinged from the discussion. perspective view, slightly unhinged from the

di that ;ion. perspective view, slightly unhinged from the di that you perspective view, slightly unhinged from the di that you dislike perspective view, slightly unhinged from the di that you dislike ofzrspective view, slightly unhinged from the di that you dislike of the active view, slightly unhinged from the di that you dislike of the ultra is that you dislike of the ultra wealthy apply so much that you'd rather weren't rather there weren't more available states as long available to the states as long as didn't exist. now i'm as they didn't exist. now i'm completely you speak completely relaxed. do you speak to words and those to mendelsohn's words and those people as people becoming filthy rich as long tax and long as they pay their tax and they contribute more to the system? you wouldn't actually rather poorer long rather the poor poorer as long as what you're as the gap smaller what you're doing, is relying on the doing, alex is relying on the old trickle down argument, which is that look what we do is to say that look what we do is to say that look what we do is back the frontiers of is we roll back the frontiers of the state. we have low taxes, we allow the already wealthy to accrue even more eyewatering amounts of wealth because what will happen is that that money will happen is that that money will eventually trickle down to the poorest. we'll all get a few extra crumbs off the table and society will be the better off for it actually isn't true. the evidence shows that it simply isn't true. the only way to rebalance the economy, the only way to make sure that some wealth goes to the poor is to the poorer sections of society , the poorer sections of society, is for government to intervene through laws is a long way of saying your answer is yes. you'd rather the poorer are poorer as

long as the is smaller. no, long as the gap is smaller. no, absolutely not. i think the envy in you is so significant that you rather get rid of the you would rather get rid of the ultra would actually ultra rich. you would actually you lose their taxing ultra rich. you would actually you tax lose theirtaxing ultra rich. you would actually you tax productionir taxing ultra rich. you would actually you tax production . taxing ultra rich. you would actually you tax production . if xing ultra rich. you would actually you tax production . if you if that tax production. if you if you're going to say the richest of the country to ransom by saying tax us any more, saying if you tax us any more, then take our then we're going to take our capital we're going to capital abroad, we're going to take money abroad. why take our money abroad. and why wouldn't that if someone wouldn't you do that if someone said you, you can set up a said to you, you can set up a business you can 10% business and you can pay 10% over there or you can pay 50, whatever, over that. of course, you go over that. isn't you want to go over that. isn't it funny you would if you it funny that you would if you were it? isn't it funny were on it? but isn't it funny how you pay less tax? how would you pay less tax? isn't it funny how when someone. well, when well, well, hold on. when someone's that situation someone's in that situation where that's threatening you know, rich person, know, a rich person, a corporation threatening corporation is threatening to move their operations abroad because the government's going to tax them little bit more. to tax them a little bit more. we took in terms about we never took in terms about them the country to them holding the country to ransom me, but minute a ransom to me, but the minute a health worker firefighter health worker or firefighter goes more money, goes on strike for more money, they to they are holding the country to my why the my question, why the inconsistency would you pay less tax you legally could? tax if you legally could? i think if was an aggressive

think if it was an aggressive tax avoidance scheme, was tax avoidance scheme, which was unethical, wouldn't. unethical, no, i wouldn't. if you just answered the you could have just answered the question you could question if it was, you could exclusively course it was. if exclusively of course it was. if it was ethical just to talk. but just a quick reminder, by the way, top 20 taxpayers way, your top 20 taxpayers in the last just to give the uk last year, just to give you insight here, the top one you an insight here, the top one he paid, as we just saying, 487.4 million. the next one down for and 60 million the one after that 392 million. the one after that, 206. so £3 million that you go. that's it's not bad work if you can get it is it. give me your thoughts on that last topic. where do you stand on it? it's gb views at gbnews.uk is how you can get hold of me tonight. i'll take quick tonight. i'll take a quick break. when come back, i'll break. when i come back, i'll have your thoughts. and have some of your thoughts. and also i want you to ponder, if you will, in the break it as to where do stand on it. where do you stand on it. i mean, there's been talk lots more morning whether more this morning about whether or thing will even make or not the thing will even make it end of the line, which it to the end of the line, which was supposedly euston or not. is it just to the whole it time just to sack the whole thing give me your thing off? give me your

thoughts. see you into .

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the political consultant alex dean on the author, fireman and trade unionist paul embery. welcome back , everybody . we were just back, everybody. we were just talking about lots of things then jeremy hunt, speech about taxes and all the rest of it. phil says i'm a part time window cleaner. michelle and daily he gets involved on the stock market so it can be done at nigel. i got made redundant . i nigel. i got made redundant. i set up my own business, made money, paid tax it. i am my own boss. graham why does your guest talk about a cleaner? first is rich people that seems to be coming through a lot. there is a sense going through at the moment that actually we do have all of us 24 hours in the day. we can all choose what we do

with them . should society be with them. should society be equal when it comes to things like wealth and how do you think is best way to achieve is the best way to achieve that? your are asking earlier your thoughts are asking earlier on of if it been on in terms of if it been a friday, what could we do towards the end of the programme? alain says, what about fish and chips? you'd be supposed seeing struggling fish and chip shops as well. we're not made of money at gb news. have you seen the price know all of us? well, yeah. no, all of us are. you play yeah. no, all of us are. you play the stock market have made us normal. people like to treat us normal. people like to treat us every friday. every friday i get my tax money back, pork pay for it, day in says i know what you could do you could tell jokes at the end of the programme. like this one, a man goes to the doctors and says, doctor, i i'm a moth. the doctor, i think i'm a moth. the doctor says, you don't me. doctor says, you don't need me. you need psychiatry. the man you need a psychiatry. the man says, know, your says, yes, i know, but your light dean don't mean to light was on. dean don't mean to be rude, but if we're going to do jokes that is not up to the standard that i will be expecting a afternoon. expecting on a friday afternoon. so we're to do jokes. they

so we're going to do jokes. they do a little bit do have to be a little bit better than that. i've got to be honest. let's talk about honest. right. let's talk about hs2, we? what on earth is hs2, shall we? what on earth is going on with it? that is the million dollar question, apparently was apparently this morning it was saying wouldn't be saying that it wouldn't even be able reach of the able to reach the end of the line, which is supposed to be used. apparently get used. it apparently doesn't get off to the west of it and get a tube to the end of the line, which is laughable, really. this whole i'll pick up whole thing i'll pick up with you you know, this you first poem, you know, this whole thing. i think it was first moved 2009 by labour first moved to 2009 by labour initially. are now initially. here we are now decades later, the project is vastly overrun behind schedule . vastly overrun behind schedule. hugely it time to hugely over budget is it time to dissect the whole thing? all yeah, whole thing is an yeah, the whole thing is an expensive folly as far as i'm concerned . it should never have concerned. it should never have , it should never have been introduced in the first place. and even now i'm inclined to say the whole thing should be scrapped. i think the whole project is unsuited to our country . so the landscape of the country. so the landscape of the country, particularly to the size of the country, we're a small country with, you know ,

small country with, you know, nothing like the size of france , where they do have high speed railways and they've got the space, frankly, for them. i don't think we do. and to think that it's going to despoil vast parts of our countryside , i parts of our countryside, i think is really , really think is really, really a negative thing. i would like to see the huge bucket loads of money that have been spent on this ridiculous project. so i would like, like reinvested in the railway system that we've got , which is the railway system that we've got, which is clearly broken , got, which is clearly broken, which is dirty, which is expensive , which is fragmented expensive, which is fragmented and which should frankly be really nationalised as a matter of urgency . it's like the of urgency. it's like the railways back into public ownership. use the money for that instead and let's get a better rail system then the appalling system that we've got . so when you say about nationalisation or renationalisation, you look at how it has to, which is largely overseen by public sector bodies. do you look at that and 90, bodies. do you look at that and go, that is a shining example of what the government can do when it focuses on transport. so

therefore, let's have more of that. look, i mean, i think there's clearly place for the there's clearly a place for the for market things for the market in these things from time. but i think from time to time. but i think when you look at the effects of rail privatise zation since the 1990s you look at the huge subsidies even now on the privatised option that the taxpayer is gone up taxpayer is paying is gone up something like 200% since privatisation . you look the privatisation. you look at the fact that fares have fact that many fares have doubled terms since doubled in real terms since privatisation. you talk to anybody who uses the railway system today and talk about their experience of it and people will say is an a by and large it's an appalling, fragmented , expensive, dirty fragmented, expensive, dirty service . and i think that people service. and i think that people who in distinctively and not necessarily in favour of national ization of utilities and services and industries and whatever , even many of those whatever, even many of those people actually understand the case for renationalisation. i almost managed to convince nigel farage of the case for nationalising the railways and that really tells you so. are you convinced a home that really tells you so. are nationalisation renationalisation is that the answer transport woes ? answer to our transport woes? where stand on all alex

where do you stand on all alex paul continues that argument for long enough. then maybe you run out who remember what out of people who remember what british and you'll british rail was like and you'll have some success. but i think there's people , at least have some success. but i think thethe people , at least have some success. but i think thethe moment,eople , at least have some success. but i think thethe moment, in:)le , at least have some success. but i think thethe moment, in the at least have some success. but i think thethe moment, in the voting st for the moment, in the voting population who are capable of understanding the seismic change and strongly worse than what we consider to come. i absolutely. and you can pull the wool over the radio, but you're not going to achieve that with me . and the to achieve that with me. and the other thing i would say is, look, i would in many ways, you've the best of both you've got the best of both worlds now from even from paul's perspective, because you're perspective, because you you're forgetting our forgetting half of our franchises effectively franchises are effectively nationalised at present when things don't under the things don't perform under the arrangements that we have , the arrangements that we have, the state takes them back under control until they are fit for rerelease into the private sector. now what i will concede is that it's always difficult to try a privatised environment in which the basic infrastructure in this example the tracks and so forth is under one set of fiscal rules and one set of ownership. and the vehicles you put on it are under another. but

that in the end is a question about practicality and implementation, not about the principle. in my mind, the principle. and in my mind, the principle. and in my mind, the principle privatising the principle of privatising the railways unquestionably railways was unquestionably right. this was what right. not that this was what the was to be the debate was meant to be about. so back to hs2. you seriously so you the seriously sense so you say the principle of privatising the railways right. are you railways is right. are you seriously suggests well you've already said that think it already said that you think it was than british rail. was better than british rail. i mean, notice didn't pick mean, i notice you didn't pick up point about the huge up on the point about the huge increase in subsidies we're increase in subsidies that we're paying increase in subsidies that we're paying moment. so the paying at the moment. so the train are also train operators, are you also saying the we've got saying that the system we've got at the moment is acceptable or are you conceding it's an are you conceding that it's an appalling if it's an appalling system? and if it's an appalling system? and if it's an appalling system, why we appalling system, why haven't we improved far better improved saying it's far better than was under british rail? than it was under british rail? so reiterating so you've had me reiterating i don't. i already gave don't. so i already gave evidence of a question, evidence of a long question, which really into. which i was just really into. i mean, i've shot, i the need mean, i've shot, i felt the need to raise the right at all right. but guess back on your time, not mine. and so point about your mine. and so my point about your own, your about subsidies, own, your point about subsidies, we've that if we we've got to realise that if we hadnt we've got to realise that if we hadn't these under hadn't had these things under private ownership and the injection got from injection that we got from private capital the course of

private capital in the course of a privatisation process, then all that money would be being spent on railways the spent on the railways by the state. in case, not least state. in any case, not least because just had fares because we just had fares impacted by result of almost impacted by the result of almost nobody taking the railways for two years. so i mean, reality bites at some point. paul and of course it was going to be something to explain it. there was going to be significant was going to be a significant re—evaluation in this country when plunged our when we deliberately plunged our economy over economy into decline over coronavirus. more coronavirus. and many more people vietnam. i people work from vietnam. i wanted michel wanted to talk about what michel actually statistics and a actually statistics and it's a difficult one for me for and as a conservative because on the one hand i completely buy a lot of the arguments that are made in the course of this, not least by paul. i believe in conserving the environment. that the environment. i think that there reasonable discussions there are reasonable discussions in although i will point in that, although i will point out we got into this during brexit. this is not a small country. you know, people are constantly saying the uk was a it a tiny island off the it was a tiny island off the coast europe and say, well coast of europe and say, well it's the of the top ten it's the top one of the top ten biggest islands, but nice biggest islands, but then nice that much more of the problem geographically. small geographically. it's a small country context in

country so that's the context in which about. yes. which i'm talking about. yes. and was wrong in terms of and that was wrong in terms of european countries. not european countries. we're not a small in many european small country in many european countries a complex countries have a more complex and in and varied rail system in smaller territories. i don't smaller territories. so i don't buy a second. so buy that for a second. that's so i wouldn't your shoes if i wouldn't in your shoes if i wanted to oppose hs2 to talk about that. i talk about money and where money's gone and and where that money's gone and the is from a the difficulty is from a pragmatic perspective pragmatic political perspective and money been and a lot of money has been spent already. and then spent in it already. and then you've the you've got to make the evaluation know, so evaluation all you know, so committed that you should carry on. or is it sunk cost? should you in the business term or is it after bad and in it good money after bad and in your old fashioned expression? it good money after bad and in your iparentsioned expression? it good money after bad and in your iparentsioned euseession? it good money after bad and in your iparentsioned euse and n? now, parents would use and i think is that pools think my view is that pools position which says get rid of hs2 spend more on the railway. we have enormous at the point of hs2 we actually to help out the infrastructure we already have. it's not about getting to birmingham from london faster. it's about improving capacity. thatis it's about improving capacity. that is at the core of hs2. the fact that it's been singularly missed fault in missed sold isn't my fault in the course of this discussion, i myself the unproductive and uneconomical way of going about

investing in or improving the current railway system that we've got. i mean, surely you would agree with me that the better way to do that, if that were the purpose of it, is to plough money into the plough the money into the existing system. existing railway system. well, it's because tell it's peculiar because you tell us people who are us that. so people who are experts the health care experts in the health care system should be trusted to run the care system. never the health care system. never mind politicians mind those awful politicians interfering. most interfering. those who know most about service should about the fire service should run service. but then run the fire service. but then when rail when those who know the rail service best what we need to service best say what we need to do is improve capacity, that means so freight can means more lines so freight can come are come off the routes that are getting slowed and getting slowed down and interrupted. passenger service. we build more capacity. we need to build more capacity. the best answer is hs2. those experts the window out experts are out the window out on second. you know, on a second. you know, just because he's because just because he's so—called in, rail so—called expert in, the rail industry thing. it industry says one thing. it doesn't mean we all have fall doesn't mean we all have to fall in agree with that. i in line and agree with that. i mean, i'm sure there are many people public services people working public services who say, know, is who will say, you know, this is what should do with the what we should do with the national health service. this is what should with the what we should do with the police, it's police police, whether it's police chiefs, nhs chiefs, whether it's nhs trust leaders, executives or. leaders, chief executives or. can't imagine you, alex would say, well, people have

say, well, these people have spoken we have to spoken and therefore we have to acquiesce i'm pretty acquiesce in fact, i'm pretty sure say that. so i sure you wouldn't say that. so i think slightly think it's slightly hypocritical. hypocritical, frankly, to invoke line frankly, to invoke that line just rail industry just because a rail industry expert said but don't expert has said it. but i don't think you've addressed the point that situation at that the appalling situation at the the system the moment in the rail system and the fact that it's an appalling which appalling service, which you seem with. seem to disagree with. and really, i've no really, frankly, i've got no solution under the solution improving it under the current quo . in terms of current status quo. in terms of it being privatised, what's the answer? this answer? how do we improve this terrible ? you tell me at terrible system? you tell me at home. been in charge home. it has been in charge saying that ultimately don't saying that ultimately we don't need to be able to get to london any quicker because ultimately we can't afford it when we get there. you're saying why don't we take this money to we just take this money to replace the cattle wagons? we have to still rely on the have to still rely on in the north, northern powerhouse rail. i know that's very popular to many the north as well. is many in the north as well. is that something that you would support perhaps over and above the just just to the whole just two plans just to give an idea of by give you an idea of budget, by the way, started off about the way, it started off about what, plus billion? i think what, 20 plus billion? i think estimates now are saying about

£100 billion currently. i mean, of course, it can still rise time lines. we're nowhere near even being able to have passenger is anywhere near this thing right now the time frames are slipping and slipping. don't forget, we're trialling currently driverless cars and things like that right now by the time you end up getting these people on these trains, you probably flying cars , you probably are flying cars, flying hovercraft . flying hoverboards, hovercraft. yes. i mean, come on now. will we even still need these trains by the time they become up and running? give me your thoughts. let's pensions let's talk pensions after the break, we? apparently the break, shall we? apparently the state pension age will rise to 6 to 8 by the end of this decade. thatis to 8 by the end of this decade. that is the plan. what do you think is it? well, how think today? is it? well, how would do you would it affect you? do you think it's fair if you live in blackpool, by the way, about news for you? because apparently the expectancy, the average life expectancy, if you 67. so chances you die there is 67. so chances are you might even die before you can get access to state pension. goodness may let's get into that after the .

break hi there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me michelle dewberry kaepernick company. it's 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got the political consultant, alex dane and the author firemen. and try to unionise embry. try to unionise paul embry. welcome back, everybody. marina says i think we should cancel it just to upgrade our present railway system, including reopening the old line. as i don't think returning to is the way because she says that she remembers it and basically she didn't think it was great and she says the unions were the menace when it was nationalised in that way. derek says, please, can you tell paul embry that me and my wife are old enough to have experience british rail and today's railways are 1,000% better at good ? i wait a few better at good? i wait a few years, you fool. the millennials to not these guys. i think they're excited. i think it's a

myth actually. i mean i remember british railways and of course it was not perfect. no one would seriously suggest that it was. but you know, the idea that it was as bad , anything remotely as was as bad, anything remotely as bad what we've got at the bad as what we've got at the moment, i think is just completely wrong, completely inaccurate. yeah. cast is having none as well. you're none of it as well. you're saying, you know, it's just you're having a laugh, michelle. you even get a decent you can't even get a decent train from anywhere on train from anywhere that's on time right now. that money should be taken to improve the main stands main infrastructure as it stands today, bennett says, hey, just two basically another scam. two is basically another scam. it's tories billions it's the tories giving billions to their . do you agree with to their. do you agree with that? i mean, it's really sad . i that? i mean, it's really sad. i was just saying in the break i barely use trains anymore because i just found them to unreliable . that is the first unreliable. that is the first thing you've got to fix, isn't it? if you want people out of their cars, you got to have a system, whatever system, whoever owns irrelevant to me. i owns it is irrelevant to me. i just want thing to run on just want the thing to run on time to able get a seat time to be able to get a seat when i'm on the. let's talk pension, we? because you pension, shall we? because you have are you have you retired? are you

retiring any time soon? the state pension age is something that's much conversation state pension age is something th.these much conversation state pension age is something th.these fewrch conversation state pension age is something th.these few days. nversation state pension age is something th.these few days. and;ation state pension age is something th.these few days. and now in these last few days. and now apparently plan is to rise apparently the plan is to rise it until 68. what do you say that time timewise it's going to be perhaps middle of next? it wasn't supposed to be happening, by the way, until 2046. well, do you think so ? the 68 state you think so? the 68 state pension? yeah i think we should. and i think it's overdue. and like most of the changes that we make to these systems , it'll make to these systems, it'll come later than ideal even on that accelerated timetable , that accelerated timetable, it'll come later than it would ideally be introduced for the benefit of society. these things will become increasingly unsustainable unless we work for longer. and the reason i say thatis longer. and the reason i say that is that you pension period was meant to be a relatively short time out to pasture and happiness after a working life and are no fault of their is. of course they grew up in the system. we've had pensioners who've enjoyed and pretty much my parents we've enjoyed getting

a of time in a generation's worth of time in retirement and the silver surface, if done well from the system. people of my age are increasing , the middle age have increasing, the middle age have got to accept that. so i'm arguing against interest rate. we have to accept we need to work longer and if we're work for longer and if we're going sell too out to going to sell that too out to one another and who one another and to those who might not inclined to the might not be inclined to the argument be made, not argument might be made, it's not actually for you. it's for your children, grandchildren, and for the that's to come . the society that's yet to come. because we're going have because if we're going to have a state pension all, it state pension age at all, it can't continue being a set age. when expectancy is when our life expectancy is going up. i accept going up and up. i accept if you're in blackpool, i was you're in blackpool, as i was mentioning, of the men, mentioning, some of the men, they're live just they're expected to live just until 67. are you one of those guysin until 67. are you one of those guys in blackpool . you right guys in blackpool. you right that. what do make of that. that. what do you make of that. your graft your whole life potentially pass before you potentially pass away before you even on your even get your mitts on your state pension. paul i'm the state pension. paul i'm 68. the right or not? well, my right age or not? well, my concern is , look, i'm not concern is, look, i'm not ideologically opposed to the idea that the state pension age should rise. i think there's a certain logic what alec says in

the sense of if life expectancy is increasing, then i think there's an argument to say that proportionately the state pension age should increase as well. the difficulty that i have with it is i don't think it should ever be an economic consideration. actually i think it has to be a consideration about expectancy and people's health, health conditions and so on. what of well, what sort on. what sort of well, what sort of level of health they can expect? i certainly because i don't want to live in a society where look, you can't where we say, look, you can't you draw pension, not you can't draw a pension, not because old enough, because you're not old enough, not you're not infirm, not because you're not infirm, but because, you know, we're not to tax rich people in to prepared tax rich people in order for that's order to pay for it. that's that's a state pension talking about can get your about you can get your own private one. so that's what we want yeah, i know. but if want to do. yeah, i know. but if you're in a great wage, then you're not in a great wage, then your private isn't going your private pension isn't going to going to be earning to be isn't going to be earning a of money in retirement a lot of money in retirement anyway. coming back the anyway. but coming back to the central that alex makes central point that alex makes there, i would there, the truth is, and i would like think he might even like to think he might even agree this over the agree with me on this over the last of years, we're last couple of years, we're looking life expectancy looking at life expectancy going backwards pandemic, you

backwards now. the pandemic, you know, some sort of know, has had some sort of impact on that. when you impact on that. i think when you look at the very serious issue we've moment around we've got at the moment around excess and the fact that, excess deaths and the fact that, you know, we i mean, what seems to be a huge very disturbing to be a huge and very disturbing number cases of cancer and number of cases of cancer and heart so on, then heart disease and so on, then that bodes ill for the future . that bodes ill for the future. and i think the idea of the government saying now when life expectancy in england certainly has dropped back over the last couple of years, it may be the case for the rest of the uk. i'm not sure. but against not entirely sure. but against the of the chronic the backdrop of the chronic issues we've in the national health service and health care generally at moment and the generally at the moment and the excess saying excess deaths saying that actually going you actually we're going to make you work make an work longer and make an announcement. seems to be, announcement. now seems to be, in my view, very premature. what does people work longer. does it make people work longer. it's longer before they can draw their state pension. what does that what that mean for most people? what does mean for of does that mean for a lot of people? the point i was going to make you raise very make is that, you raise very troubling issues about what's happenedin troubling issues about what's happened in the last year or two and the coronavirus. indeed, of course, week learned course, last week we learned some half a million people

should gone on to blood should have gone on to blood pressure didn't pressure controls that didn't 300,000 should have gone onto cholesterol reduction treatments and didn't because of the coronavirus environment. but the long trend and you look at long the trend and you look at these things in generational terms when deciding things like a pension age state a state pension age or state retirement trend very retirement age, the trend very clear our life expectancy clear that our life expectancy decade after decade is going up signify in this country as everywhere else in the western show that that's going to continue given what we've been through the last few years in this given the state this country, given the state of health country, you health care in this country, you really for them that's really think for them that's going the in ten going to be the case in ten years? yes, i think it's overwhelmingly likely. even overwhelmingly likely. but even if before make that if even ten before you make that now, it will be the now, because it will be the state using excuse state using as an excuse something that's happened now to state using as an excuse son doring that's happened now to state using as an excuse sondo something�*nappened now to state using as an excuse sondo something itppened now to state using as an excuse son do something it knows now to state using as an excuse sondo something it knows it ow to not do something it knows it needs do already. but it needs to do already. but it would a legitimate reason would be a legitimate reason because the next minute you don't legitimate reason don't need a legitimate reason to you're not to get you know, you're not listening. i listen, i'm disagreeing with you. i'm listening closely. all listening very closely. all right? explaining right? i'm explaining why you're wrong. perhaps not wrong. then perhaps you're not allowing finish a sentence allowing me to finish a sentence when the when you would understand the point, the gap

point, which is that the gap between and between expectancy and retirement been clear. retirement age has been clear. now couple decades. now for a couple of decades. it's not something that we might just to catch up because just allow to catch up because we've coronavirus epidemic we've had a coronavirus epidemic and expectancy been and life expectancy has been altered pretty marginally at the fringes of how you evaluate these things. it's seismic that we are retiring a generation earlier than our parents would have done in terms of our life expectancy. the worst renovations make that announcement the worst to make this announcement. but this announcement. yeah, but i guess you're a waspi woman, guess if you're a waspi woman, perhaps at perhaps you'll be shouting at your because you've got a your screen because you've got a factory and the of time between now and your changes, everyone's got a plan for these things. if you're a waspi woman, you will be shouting and i hear you that you given enough time you weren't given enough time when planning for when it comes to planning for the in the retirement the change in the retirement age. of my views made age. one of my views just made a very point as well. what very good point as well. what about the type work that you about the type of work that you do? he asks. because, for example don't if you're example, i don't know if you're a on a building site a labourer on a building site doing of work. and so doing that kind of work. and so he's 68 verses, i don't know, sitting around here and talking for living. they're very

for a living. they're two very different things out it's different things out there. it's one alive, it's one thing being alive, it's another actually having an another thing actually having an active body do active mobile body that can do that graft. give me your that heavy graft. give me your thoughts of 68 thoughts anywhere. the age of 68 to to low are just about to high to low are just about right. got take a quick right. got to take a quick break. when i come back, i love some of thoughts. and some of your thoughts. and i want ask you about gambling. want to ask you about gambling. is it thing ? do want to ask you about gambling. is it thing? do you think is it your thing? do you think the government be when it the government should be when it comes to regulating the industry or not after you need .

to hi there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 this evening alongside . me the this evening alongside. me the political consultant alex dean and the author fireman and trade unionist paul embery speaking of paul embery, many people are writing the question. we're writing the same question. we're talking about 68 as the state pension age. people are saying, what right for him what is all right for him

because can retire? been because he can retire? has been a fireman 55. is that right a fireman for 55. is that right or well, actually, the or not? well, actually, the government recently increased the pension age the normal pension age to firefighters for firefighters to 60. but it's a really important that actually if you if you're part of an occupational pension scheme, then retirement age scheme, then the retirement age surely be around surely has to be built around the demands the occupation. the demands of the occupation. and you're going to and otherwise you're going to have, of 60 have, you know, masses of 60 year firefighters going up year old firefighters going up ladders people. ladders and rescuing people. i don't wise don't think is particularly wise or and that's the or safe thing. and that's the argument made to the argument we've made to the government. makes government. yeah. and alan makes a he says i'm a similar point. he says i'm a joiner michel, i don't want to be climbing scaffolds and carrying tools all day carrying tools around all day long it's all right for long at 67. it's all right for you, says. when all you you, milloy says. when all you do around and talk on do is sit around and talk on telly . but for those grafters, telly. but for those grafters, lesser hair. hey, you shop intake of breath, that's it. maybe he does something else in in later years. like teaching apprentices how to do the skills he's learned over a lifetime of work. you don't have to do the same thing to be in work. that's a very good point i want to make to that, alan. alex says you can become a teacher. give me your

answer that. let's talk answer to that. let's talk gambling, we? the gambling, shall we? the government apparently is set to announce stronger regulation against betting companies. this is about the problem of is all about the problem of gambling addiction. this could look like a different ways. should you be able to advertise on premier league shirts or boards , whatever? should there boards, whatever? should there be mandatory levies to help fund addiction services, etc? paul i think there probably should . i think there probably should. i think there probably should. i think gambling is for most people , it's fine. but for people, it's fine. but for a section of society it causes enormous personal problems, it destroys lives , it rips families destroys lives, it rips families apart . i think destroys lives, it rips families apart. i think the destroys lives, it rips families apart . i think the sheer apart. i think the sheer accessibility of it now, you know , once upon a time you used know, once upon a time you used to have to go into a betting shop and place a bet and usually on the horses or the dogs occasionally football. now you can bet anything just using your smartphone. you can do it in play. just there people play. it's just there for people all time. and that clearly, all the time. and that clearly, i had detrimental i think, has had a detrimental impact. think there's an impact. so i think there's an argument say that these argument to say that these gambling companies who are

making profits, let's making enormous profits, let's not should be required not forget, should be required to do something to alleviate some of those problems. those social problems that have developed as a result of the increase in gambling in country. you we a ban on you know, we have a ban on tobacco advertising in sport. you know, uk nations have a you know, some uk nations have a minimum price on alcohol. i don't think it would necessarily be unreasonable to levy something on gambling companies to have things like a maximum state, to have affordability checks and so on. i'm not instinctively someone who believes in a nanny state in an over overbearing state, but i think when you can recognise that there huge social that there are huge social problems that have derived from a particular activity from a particular industry, it's reasonable the government to reasonable for the government to intervene and it's not intervene on it. and it's not like smoking because there's no safe which you can safe level at which you can smoke tobacco . when somebody smoke tobacco. when somebody says you, believe the says to you, i don't believe the nanny but you should nanny state, but you should normally everything nanny state, but you should norn say everything nanny state, but you should norn say before everything nanny state, but you should norn say before the everything nanny state, but you should norn say before the busyerything nanny state, but you should norn say before the bus ,�*rything nanny state, but you should norn say before the bus , where] they say before the bus, where you get to the part where they do want to hand over more control the state. some control to the state. some people with people do have a problem with gambling. and the gambling. that's true. and the

industry spending more industry is now spending more than ever on their associates and groups in attempts to help those people. if we regulate these businesses as further and further, you're going to drive the people who have the biggest kinds of problems, who then can't use those platform into use the unlicensed and use the unlicensed bookies and the so forth the guys in the pub and so forth where they won't get the help in the first place. the industry is highly regulated already. it seems unless want to seems to me. unless you want to say going to blindfold say you're going to blindfold adults they can't see the adults so they can't see the possibility of having a flutter. we reacting we're we are either reacting and we're overreacting same overreacting in much the same way prohibitionists did way that the prohibitionists did and do and saying anything to do with this and the end it'll this bad. and in the end it'll be just the same as prohibition. it doesn't work. is there no one out there that have out there that does have a gambling problem? are you watching who is this? watching this? so who is this? who's touch and who's just got in touch and said, christopher michel, said, christopher? said michel, gambling. talk about the gambling. you talk about the stock market that is gambling. rob i work in the industry rob says i work in the industry , michel, and i can tell you that the uk is the toughest regulator in the world. so much so that it's now very difficult to sign deposit a uk licence

casino because of kyc . know your casino because of kyc. know your customer require minutes less as i am over 60 now and i've gambled since i was 17 and i've been blocked by bookmakers three times and it has cost me of pounds. times and it has cost me of pounds . what's cost thousands of pounds. what's cost thousands of pounds. what's cost thousands of pounds less. i'm confuse the blocking or your gambling. i don't know what you mean. so you can you can take i mean, look, you can take an ultra libertarian approach to it and say, look, you know, we're all free individual. if people want to gamble their money up the wall, you know, they should be free okay but you've free to do it. okay but you've also to accept the fact that also got to accept the fact that there families behind that there are families behind that person will person whose lives will be destroyed. can have serious destroyed. it can have a serious impact children if they've impact on on children if they've got gambling in the got a gambling addict in the family . and think actually as family. and i think actually as a society and as a a compassionate society and as a responsible we do responsible society, we do sometimes say there's sometimes have to say there's a place government to place for government to intervene, outlaw it, but intervene, not to outlaw it, but just to make sure it's tightly regulated. that's not a bad thing. it already yeah. thing. it already does. yeah. and yes, need to and says, yes, we need to tighten laws. i live an

tighten these laws. i live in an area of deprivation. there is loads poverty are loads of poverty and there are three gaming betting three gaming and betting businesses in our town square and betting shop in the middle and a betting shop in the middle of the town. they are preying on the poor by a notion of the poor by offering a notion of get rich quick of course, say i nofice get rich quick of course, say i notice you do see very declined high streets and places, don't you? but yet you will have to walk that far too, to see betting shops. what do you make to that, malcolm says gambling should be banned , but i bet you should be banned, but i bet you a pound to a penny. it won't be a pound to a penny. it won't be a very clever. you see what you did if you do have a problem in gambling or you think that you do by the way, there's no shame in asking for help. there's many places out there that are open to listening to you and helping you . michel how about this, joe you. michel how about this, joe on guys? so a fancy dress party p0ps on guys? so a fancy dress party pops into a pub for a quick chat, is dressed as a sparkler. the landlord says, right, the landlord says, all right, you have we don't you can have a drink. we don't start anything . i like it. start anything. i like it. michael we're going to do jokes on a friday. guys, get your

thinking. caps make it thinking. caps on, make it better. that's i've got time better. that's all i've got time for, thank you. thank for, gents. thank you. thank you. a fantastic you. at home, i'm a fantastic weekend. i'll see you on monday. good evening, alex deakin. here with weather with your latest weather update. the upon and most the weekend is upon us and most of would see any rain. we of us would see any rain. we would see a huge amount of sunshine often be sunshine either. often it'll be fairly cloudy and mild a day on sunday compared saturday. but sunday compared to saturday. but it'll a little windier it'll also be a little windier by as this area of by then as well. this area of high is kind of high pressure is kind of controlling our weather, but from distance, allowing from a distance, allowing weather in weather fronts to topple in around times. and this around top at times. and this one is bringing some wet weather to at the to western scotland at the moment . weather is moment. weather front is fizzling out as it sinks southwards, but nevertheless bringing some rain and bringing some light rain and drizzle southern scotland and drizzle to southern scotland and northern ireland by dawn. most of dry in the of england, wales dry and in the south, frost where keep south, some frost where we keep clear thick fog clear skies and some thick fog patches as well, likes to be pretty dense for saturday morning temperatures below freezing even in towns and freezing here, even in towns and cities some rural spots cities and some rural spots could be well below, not as cold. further north because we've cloud, great we've got more cloud, a great start weekend, a little start to the weekend, a little bit light rain over the far

bit of light rain over the far north of england and through the day could some light rain day we could see some light rain and drizzle at for and drizzle at times for northwest england the north northwest england and the north coast but elsewhere coast of wales. but elsewhere most quite cloudy, coast of wales. but elsewhere most brightnessquite cloudy, coast of wales. but elsewhere most brightness in te cloudy, coast of wales. but elsewhere most brightness in the loudy, some brightness in the south—east certainly sunny south—east certainly some sunny spells course , spells developing. of course, scotland and northern ireland, six, celsius . so six, seven, eighteen celsius. so generally a touch colder than today through saturday evening. again most places dry if we keep some clear , there could be some some clear, there could be some pockets of frost and fog, but most areas will stay cloudy apart from a bit of drizzle in most places will be dry. apart from a bit of drizzle in most places will be dry . and most places will be dry. and then into sunday we start swell. most places a touch above freezing. but as i said where we keep some clear skies there could be a little bit of frost and fog that may take a while to clear a grey, drab day across southern parts of wales and the midlands. and another weather front bring some more front will bring some more wet and windy initially and increasingly windy initially to the far north—west of scotland with that rain swing into central scotland and northern ireland end of northern ireland by the end of the so it's hitting the afternoon. so it's hitting wet and but it will be wet and here, but it will be a mild the day temperatures generally a couple of degrees

higher than on saturday peaking at eight or nine, maybe ten or 11 in or two places 11 celsius in one or two places

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