hello good evening and welcome along to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on the radio set. tonight i'll discuss controversial plans to add fluoride to drinking water across england and wales. there's reaction as well to the department of education's latest guidance on remote learning home schooling for schoolchildren . schooling for schoolchildren. and in a few minutes, i'll give my thoughts on why the introduction of digital id for everyone in the uk is a terrible , terrible idea. all of that and more coming up. but first, an

update on the latest news from ray anderson . thanks dale. ray anderson. thanks dale. here's the latest from the gb newsroom 276 fly b staff have been made redundant with the airline going into administration for the second time in three years. around 75,000 holiday makers have had their bookings cancelled. the uk civil aviation authority is urging them not to travel to airports . flybe returned to the airports. flybe returned to the skies last april after collapsing in 2020. they operated flights to 17 destinations. flybe travellers say they're disappointed to see their flights cancelled . i their flights cancelled. i looked on my emails and then i saw big, bold letters. your flight is cancelled and my first thought was, this has got to be a prank, surely, because it's the day of the flight. last night i was able to print this

off , you know, the boarding off, you know, the boarding pass. he didn't say anything about, you know, we're going to administration. they even said when i was doing it all joint booking, extra bag. thank god i never is. you know, i'd be showing them that it's a murder investigation has been launched after a 15 year old girl was fatally stabbed in hexham. the 16 year old boy is also in hospital after suffering serious but not life threatening injuries. northumbria police say it follows a suspected assault, another 16 year old boy has been arrested and remains in custody . sir keir starmer says labour has reformed under his leadership. addressing the london labour conference, he told members they must show voters the party is different to the one that britain rejected at the one that britain rejected at the 2019 general election. he also promised to put the country first and warned party members against complacency . britain is against complacency. britain is crying out for change, crying out for decisive leadership and we must provide it . prove that

we must provide it. prove that we must provide it. prove that we can be a bold, reforming government show not just what the tories have done to britain, but the british. but labour could build a fairer, greener, more dynamic country with the economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top . and not just those at the top. and the politics which trust communities with the power to control their own destiny . well, control their own destiny. well, we spoke to former minister lord peter mandelson . he says labour peter mandelson. he says labour must stay focussed on the next election . the biggest risk is election. the biggest risk is that we take the next elections in the bag, that we relax, we take it for granted. no, no , no. take it for granted. no, no, no. we have to maintain our absolute focus on voters, particularly those voters who have yet to be convinced that labour does offer a credible united , progressive a credible united, progressive alternative for our country . the alternative for our country. the head of the rmt union says its members will decide by the 8th of february whether to accept

the latest and final pay offer from the real delivery group. mick lynch says discussions will be held with members across the country over the next ten days. he told gb news the terms are not great and he doesn't feel optimist stick. what we've got is a really poor offer, the pay offer is below less than half of the rate inflation over these two years. inflation is running over 20 to 23% in the retail price index. this is 9% over two years and we had no offer for three years before that. so these people are getting poorer and at the same time their conditions and their working lives have been trampled all oven lives have been trampled all over. so i'm quite sure suspicious about what's going on and i don't know if our members would be prepared to accept it. graphic bodycam footage has been released in the united states showing police in memphis beating a black man who died three days later. now, a warning . some people may find the following footage distressing.

hillary ma . hey you know. hey hillary ma. hey you know. hey give me 29 year old tyree nichols was kicked, punched and pepper sprayed as he cried out for his mother. pepper sprayed as he cried out for his mother . five black for his mother. five black officers have been sacked and are facing murder charges. president joe biden's says he's outraged and he's called for an end to police misconduct . well, end to police misconduct. well, back here, a former conservative party chair says a number of members feel they were denied a vote on rishi sunak becoming prime minister in an interview with gb news, sirjake berry said mr. sunak should have held an endorsement vote during the leadership contest to show he had the support of the membership. i think even though he absolutely got the majority of mps, the conservative members of mps, the conservative members of parliament and now i support him as prime minister, everything he does , there is everything he does, there is a challenge he has is even if it's not true, there's a perception

of the conservative parliamentary party now being disconnected from our membership because we didn't have that, even if it was a sort of endorsed one vote and you can see that full interview with sir jake berry on gloria meets that's tomorrow at 6 pm. tributes are being paid to clare drake for the wife of welsh first minister mark drakeford , first minister mark drakeford, who died suddenly this afternoon . the prime minister is among those who passed on his heartfelt condolences to mark drakeford and his family. the labour leader , sir keir starmer labour leader, sir keir starmer and the prince and princess of wales said they too were sending their thoughts and their prayers dunng their thoughts and their prayers during this difficult time . we during this difficult time. we were on tv, online and on dab+ radio. you're watching and listening to gb news. back now to neil oliver live .

to neil oliver live. thanks for you'll have heard of the old bait and switch disclaims a fraud with a company advertises one thing something that seems highly desirable which is the bait. but when a mug actually makes a purchase, they get sold something else entirely, something they wouldn't have wanted in a million years. that's the switch you see on offer for a luxury coat at a lock down price. when you try and buy it, you're told they're all sold out. but here's one twice the price. that's one at twice the price. that's bait and switch . and it's bait and switch. and it's illegal bait and switches all around us. insects and food . around us. insects and food. remember when told there's a fly in my soup was the start of a joke? well, no, the joke is well and truly on us. and the flies aren't just in the soup. they'll be in the bread and all the rest. they us we can save rest. they tell us we can save the by not meat. the planet by not eating meat. that's the beat. they push plant based foods and tell us that the healthier anyway. even healthier option anyway. even though who's at though anyone who's looked at the side of the ingredients on the side of a pack vegan sausages knows you

pack of vegan sausages knows you need a chemistry degree to decipher them. there's decipher them. and then there's the bugs eat crickets. the hollywood a—listers tell us it's better for the environment, but replacing other sources of protein with crickets means a lot of crickets. it's been estimated that it takes 363,000 crickets to match the calorie count of just one cow. we billions of land animals and trillions of sea animals every year stop all that and it's going to take a lot of shed full of a lot of crickets. just think of a lot of crickets. just think of the energy needed to breed and keep all those insects . and keep all those insects. maybe think about the genetic modification and stop to wonder about some of the viruses and diseases insects carry, which could all go wrong. and yet still the beat. is that a third of a million bugs are preferable to one grass fed cow. and anyway, if crickets are, let's say, safe and effective, why not just taylor's ? we're going to be just taylor's? we're going to be eating them slightly , turn them eating them slightly, turn them into powder and slip them into the food supply under a latin name. no one understands. tell

the truth out there in the light where everyone can see it . the where everyone can see it. the eu have passed legislation to have crickets cooked into powder and added to all manner of foods in the eu's own legislation . the in the eu's own legislation. the list is long. everything from cereal and bread to meat, cheese, beer and sweets. even now, the presence of crickets won't be obvious. it would see crickets on the packaging. it will say associate us domestic is which is latin for house cricket . in the end, the bait cricket. in the end, the bait and switch is in governments and corporations shouting from the rooftops. they are working to save the planet and make us healthier . save the planet and make us healthier. but what do we end up with ? food cut with insect with? food cut with insect powder. we're not supposed to nofice.| powder. we're not supposed to notice . i see the claim that any notice. i see the claim that any of this is to improve our health or save the planet is a fraud and a hoax . electric vehicles and a hoax. electric vehicles are another bait and switch. there are an estimated 30 million fossil fuel cars in britain. that's not counting the trucks that move all the commodities. there's a quarter of a million of those as well.

were invited to think that one fine day, every one of those dirty old gas guzzlers will be replaced with a shiny new electric alternative . forget it. electric alternative. forget it. that lofty notion is just the bait. the switch is the reality. most of us would have any sort of car at all unless the demand for cars, any sort of cars dropped drastically . there's no dropped drastically. there's no way to hit the emissions targets our governments have loudly committed us to. that's where the 15 minute cities come in. we'll be expected to walk or cycle. do you see the sky? yet they advertise a world of electric cars. but what we'll end up buying is lives lived on foot within 15 minutes of our homes . round the corner from homes. round the corner from where i live . the council where i live. the council installed a rank of electric vehicle charging points . the vehicle charging points. the electricity in them is free at the moment, has been for months. anyone who want it could park up and charge the car for nothing. i say free, but of course there's no such thing as free. someone was paying. which is to

say, the poor old council tax payers of settling those teslas and the rest might as well have been taking the charge from the private home. they were parked outside while the owner of the house fitted bill. but whole house fitted the bill. but whole stunt was more pete pushing that illusion that electric cars are the cheap option . next week the cheap option. next week those bays will start charging for the electricity . there's the for the electricity. there's the switch, but the beat has gone bad. more and more people smell something fishy and are waking up to the reality of electric vehicles. it's becoming hard to ignore that those massive battery is full of lithium and cobalt obtained by ripping environments and destroying ecosystems. the dirty work done by the poorest of the poor children included scrabbling in the dirt with bare hands. those batteries, which are so wildly energy intensive to meet and that can't be recycled when they fail after 20 years. those batteries don't like the cold, which is a bit of a if you live in a country that actually has winter like here, for instance, in winter, those batteries lose

up to half the charging capacity. oh, dear. what a pity. never mind . there's that switch never mind. there's that switch again. second hand car dealers in the main won't touch electric cars.i in the main won't touch electric cars. i wonder why you can't make electric cars with renewable energy. there's literally not enough energy in it. so it takes fossil fuels . literally not enough energy in it. so it takes fossil fuels. in shanghai, where there's been a large uptake of electric cars, the city's charging points are powered by fossil fuels . the air powered by fossil fuels. the air pollution in shanghai is on the increase as a result . save the increase as a result. save the planet my backside . by the time planet my backside. by the time everyone wakes up , it will be everyone wakes up, it will be too late. and all the cars that will be going america are sitting on 8 million cubic tonnes of lithium. the us actually led on the development of lithium mines until the 1990 when they were shut down. the greens in the us agreed. well practised in embarking upon ruinously expensive legal action, effectively bans lithium mining. the now 80% of the world's lithium is mined in australia, chile and china. china controls half of the

world's lithium production and three quarters of the world's lithium battery factories. wherever it happens and however it's done , mining of any sort is it's done, mining of any sort is extraordinary . utterly extraordinary. utterly expensive, requires vast amounts of fossil fuel energy and inflicts catastrophic damage. renewable energy dependent upon the mining of rare metals and minerals like lithium , cobalt, minerals like lithium, cobalt, copper, silver and a whole raft of others in mind boggling quantities can never be green. renewable energy's appetites rate the planet every bit as enthusiastically as any other except nuclear. of course . but except nuclear. of course. but we don't talk about nuclear because greens don't like the clean emissions free energy that is nuclear . i clean emissions free energy that is nuclear. i see again, the only solution , the inevitable only solution, the inevitable solution and the one we're not supposed to know about yet is no cars. supposed to know about yet is no cars . the advertised green cars. the advertised green energy and electric cars. but what they're selling is environmental damage. more billions for the super rich, followed by new cars for us. bait and switch . under cover of bait and switch. under cover of all this , the fossil fuel all this, the fossil fuel industry will be dismantled and

put away. i say the day will come when we look over our shoulders and notice it's gone . shoulders and notice it's gone. by shoulders and notice it's gone. by then, be obvious that by then, we'll be obvious that most us don't have cars most of us don't have cars ehhen most of us don't have cars either. finally we'll ask how come home called ? yet i come my home is called? yet i still don't have an electric car and bike come. the reply. and bike will come. the reply. shut up and on your bike . shut up and get on your bike. and the mummy and daddy of all bait and switches comes with digital. the beat is the well tried one, which is convenience . such a tasty carrot. the clock is already ticking on a government consultation exercise about the imposition of digital id. if you haven't noticed, it's hardly surprising since the government hasn't advertised what it's up to . we have until what it's up to. we have until the 1st of march to go to a government website and make clear how much we feel about what is proposed . if we do not what is proposed. if we do not object and then enough numbers, the proposals will become law by the proposals will become law by the end of the year and digital id will be real. as always , the id will be real. as always, the large print giveth and the small print taketh away. the bright

and crunchy carrot of convenience will seek to reassure you that digital id will keep you safe and ensure your privacy. the dark side. the enemy inside the trojan horse is that every shred of your private data will be shared with any government agency and any so—called stakeholder that wants it. above all else know this the new world into which we are sleepwalking is one of zero trust. zero trust is not my idea . it's the official foundation of your future. zero trust means each one of us is regarded as a criminal until we can prove otherwise by exposing every scrap of our data , we will be scrap of our data, we will be guilty until we prove our innocence . to shop online, innocence. to shop online, you'll have to use your digital id to prove you are who you are. just to read your email to use onune just to read your email to use online banking, even to open your computer will require your digital id . you'll be in digital digital id. you'll be in digital jail until you open it with your digital key. all of this can be

connected to your carbon footprint and the rest of your social credit score. make no mistake . all of it is on the mistake. all of it is on the chinese model that enables the state to watch track record everything you do and everywhere you go . the cameras are already you go. the cameras are already in place around us and in our phones and screen arms alongside the microphones that can listen. all of this can be tied to a central bank, digital currency . central bank, digital currency. not actual money. you can hide under the mattress. just a digital credit rating monitored before any and every transaction . imagine a future where artificial intelligence watch as you try and charge your electric vehicle or put fuel in your old car and decides you've already emitted too much co2 this month. results no power or fuel for you. or you try and buy a stick and the guy decides you've consumed enough environment wrecking beef. you can't buy it . imagine you want to travel to london for a meeting and the air decides . you've tweeted decides. you've tweeted something government doesn't something the government doesn't like. you . the like. no ticket for you. the usual voices will see. all of

this is just conspiracy theory. but the past three years have proved that today's conspiracy theory tomorrow's fact. here theory is tomorrow's fact. here are more facts. all online technology is vulnerable to cyber attack, theft and fraud . cyber attack, theft and fraud. banks and the rest are hacked and defrauded all day. every day . there goes your private data . . there goes your private data. the consultation document is long and complex. the elderly , long and complex. the elderly, those without smart tech , those those without smart tech, those who struggle with technology, and even literacy will neither find the document nor be able to take part . in find the document nor be able to take part. in no find the document nor be able to take part . in no way can they take part. in no way can they give informed consent. children and adolescents are at most risk because they cannot give informed consent. by definition . here's the thing i our governments want digital id for the longest time. most of us have been slaves to debt . in the have been slaves to debt. in the future, we ought to be digital slaves. our every move on the round the clock surveillance and subject to the yes or no of big brother when it comes to bait and switch, this is the end game. once digital ideas in

place, they won't need the bait anymore because we'll have swallowed it. we have until march. don't say you didn't know what was happening . that's my what was happening. that's my opinion. of course . and feel opinion. of course. and feel free to disagree . by all means, free to disagree. by all means, keep your tweets and your emails coming all through the show. keep your tweets and your emails coming all through the show . you coming all through the show. you can email gb views at gbnews.uk and you can tweet as well at gb news. and i'll try to get to some of your comments before the end of the show. i'm joined tonight by emma webb, who's the uk's director of the common sense society. how i love the sound of the common sense society and tv personality . society and tv personality. ingnd society and tv personality. ingrid tarrant and another friend of the show. hello, ingnd. friend of the show. hello, ingrid . what do you think of the ingrid. what do you think of the prospect of your every move being watched round the clock ? being watched round the clock? everything is just going to fizzle out in the way that we have lived our lives and been

brought up. everything you say, ergo, ergo, ergo , all down the ergo, ergo, ergo, all down the line. so it is the total control . i find it really scary . what . i find it really scary. what i find perhaps more frightening is that not enough people are recognising this, and i do hope the people are watching this particular show. actually, all your shows. but this particular one will actually go back and just analyse everything you said one by one by one, because it showing the complete how the control in society is going to be global. it's not just here, of course, it's all governments and everything. and i don't believe that they're going to look at the figures and do that. look at, oh, god , i forget his look at, oh, god, i forget his name. set aside con sort of name. set aside the con sort of like say he's completely ignored all people protesting all the people protesting against the widening the social exclusion. yes and it's just been exposed. there's so corrupt. i don't believe anybody would trust anybody anymore. one thing that i do think is quite

nice to know with the eve i'll never get an electric car because then that's another form of control, then of control, because then there'll be power cuts. we won't get charged anything. won't get charged anything. we won't be to speak to anyone or do be able to speak to anyone or do anything it's anything like that. so it's isolating well. but isolating people as well. but walking that's walking everywhere, yes. that's the good thing that would the only good thing that would ever up, because nobody ever come up, because nobody walks because all the walks anyway. because all the playing fields is gone and everybody in the car and it everybody hops in the car and it is bike. more people on is on your bike. more people on a bike, that's not the a bike, but it's that's not the point . you can encourage people point. you can encourage people to walk , but you don't have to to walk, but you don't have to keep looking australia see keep looking to australia to see your and i am a the your relatives. and i am a the common sense society. i would the common sense society. do you think react idea of this think react to the idea of this kind round the clock kind of round the clock surveillance can't surveillance? well, i can't speak behalf of the entire speak on behalf of the entire organisation, but can tell you organisation, but i can tell you that opinion is that the that my opinion is that the opposition to this is common sense. i think that the ease you were saying with the idea of bait and switch, i think , you bait and switch, i think, you know, many of the things that you mentioned there, it's a completely false economy. the lithium batteries, the perfect example false economy , and

example of a false economy, and that will be enriching that people will be enriching themselves off of this green technology . but i can tell you, technology. but i can tell you, they won't be the people eating they won't be the people eating the bugs. they won't be the people who are eating the poor quality of they will still quality of food. they will still be to get beef and to be able to get their beef and to access high , high, high access their high, high, high nutrition so i think that nutrition diet. so i think that people need to really wake up to the false economy because a lot of this stuff is quite complex, isn't it? and so people aren't necessarily aware. they hear that being green is a good thing and everybody wants to take care of the environment for sure. but when actually look when you actually look into these find out that these things, you find out that they're not good for the environment, they're not good for health. and so i would for your health. and so i would say sense say that the common sense approach would for everybody approach would be for everybody to own research, do to do their own research, do their diligence, because their own due diligence, because we living an increasingly we are living in an increasingly low society . and best low trust society. and the best thing you do is to thing that you can do is to trust yourself and trust your trust yourself and to trust your instincts to trust your own instincts and to trust your own research. we agree research. absolute we can agree more . the first break is already more. the first break is already upon us. after which i'll discuss the controversial topic of whether fluoride should be

added water in added to drinking water in england wales. see very .

soon welcome back to nearly all of our life. this response is in already what's been said so far. paul says, i'm not eating crickets. i'm just not. i'm there with you, paul . a twitter there with you, paul. a twitter user says the coast guy once again sings things that would have other tv stations pulling the plug on him live on air, explained . valerie says explained. valerie says government deliberately wrecking the economy and police definitely not keeping a safe orders from afar. and finally , orders from afar. and finally, from another twitter user, neil oliver is going on insects and our food. good. i can't believe so many people are just sitting there and watching all this b.s. calmly without anyone else saying anything about it. you go for made absolutely great. for it made absolutely great. fantastic. that's lifted my spirits . no. the addition of spirits. no. the addition of fluoride to our tap water is a controversial topic . people in

controversial topic. people in around 25 countries drink water with added fluoride, including some 6 million in england. with added fluoride, including some 6 million in england . the some 6 million in england. the government has plans to put fluoride in drinking water throughout england and wales and the consultation paper will soon be published online . another be published online. another one.the be published online. another one. the whole idea is opposed by many, including my next guest, joy warren , who's the guest, joy warren, who's the national coordinator of the fluoride free alliance uk. good evening to you, joy. thanks for joining me . good evening. nice joining me. good evening. nice to see you. fine do you object to see you. fine do you object to fluoride in our drinking water? it's a very long list of objections. first of all, it's an industrial or hazardous waste. it's a pesticide. it's medically unethical . it violates medically unethical. it violates the nhs constitution . the the nhs constitution. the government has ignored the serious science , which is mostly serious science, which is mostly on our side and it has chronic

health problems. start from the top of the body right down to the bottom. if you like. well, i'll leave the legs out for now. there are 76 studies which in a century which show that there's a 5 to 7 io points reduction in intelligence when the unborn child and the foetus and the infant exposed to fluoride in the womb and in babies formula are made up with fluoridated water because fluoride affects brain function . it is brain function. it is undoubtedly a developmental neurotoxin , just like led to neurotoxin, just like led to them. and when you look at this six month old child having baby formula and it was fluoridated , formula and it was fluoridated, tap water is being overexposed by 0.6 milligram terms per day. fluoride per day. and that's a huge amount because it's a very tiny atom and tiny is so many million atoms in a milligram .

million atoms in a milligram. and there are other places now talking about the pineal gland , talking about the pineal gland, pineal gland cells up with fluoride because it's outside the blood brain barrier and because of that, the production of melatonin reduces , you say of melatonin reduces, you say melatonin really important . joy, melatonin really important. joy, you see, it's a it's an industrial product . can you can industrial product. can you can you give me more detail about exactly where fluoride comes from? yes, i can. it's imported from? yes, i can. it's imported from the negev desert in south—east israel, from a company called israel chemicals . it's transport it across the mediterranean and lands in tilbury docks , i believe. but it tilbury docks, i believe. but it starts off life as the hazardous waste by—product of phosphate fertiliser manufacturing . that's fertiliser manufacturing. that's not wanted by the people who produce it, and it's not

produced deliberately. it's just the waste product. and they have to get rid of it and they're not allowed to let it go out into the empty environments. so they wash it as a chimney in control , little water, stick it in two large tanks, and that's how it gets to us in the tanks. i don't even think it leaves the tanks all the way from israel to the fluoridated areas of england . fluoridated areas of england. no, we couldn't . we weren't able no, we couldn't. we weren't able to attract anyone this evening to attract anyone this evening to speak to the other side of this. but i'm sure the argument would be made that the levels that it's going into water, that it is safe . you know, i would it is safe. you know, i would i would surely the toxicity that toxicity you describe is about dosage. is that a safe dosage of fluoride ? the world health fluoride? the world health organisation recommends no more than six milligrams of fluoride a day . and for babies of course a day. and for babies of course thatis a day. and for babies of course that is much smaller and they shouldn't be exposed to it at

all. the committee on toxicity has said that babies six months and more should not get more than 0.05 milligrams of fluoride per kill a kilo body weight per day . it's that's not per kill a kilo body weight per day. it's that's not happening. they're getting far more than that in their baby formula made up with fluoridated tap water. you mentioned the world health organisation also, chris whitty, chief medical officer for england. his counterparts in wales and scotland and northern ireland, they're all in favour of fluoride being added to water. they're not using the science . they're not reading the science. they're not reading the science. they're not reading the science . no . the can you back science. no. the can you back all this up with peer? with peer reviewed research? i mean, i'm listening to you. but is the is the is the paperwork? is the is the is the paperwork? is the is the scientific documentation , the scientific documentation, the scientific documentation, the data. they're at your

fingertips . yes. the last four fingertips. yes. the last four studies on reduction in intelligence in canada were peer reviewed and they they were very robust science . they were four robust science. they were four out of 76 reports which have been produced in this century. and 76 reports finding harm, finding reduction in intelligence is quite a lot of reports when it comes when it comes to the to the practicalities of this. can you tell us where is fluoride already in the water supply, in the drinking water in this country? and where does it propose to be added at the moment? it's in west midlands, newcastle, on tyne and cheshire nantwich, a little bit of bedfordshire, a little bit of derbyshire, leicestershire, nottinghamshire, lincolnshire is quite comprehensive , quite comprehensive, fluoridated. the proposal this yearis fluoridated. the proposal this year is to fluids at the

northeast , which year is to fluids at the northeast, which is the remaining part, which is not fluoridated. so newcastle , north fluoridated. so newcastle, north tyneside and gateshead are already fluoridated. and so too is a little bit of northumberland and a little bit of county durham . and the of county durham. and the intention is they get through the public consultation and don't take any .notice of this is to fluoridated right across county durham, right up to the border with cumbria and right down to redcar and right up to bury on tweed on the scottish border . 1.6 bury on tweed on the scottish border. 1.6 million people has this consultation process begun . know they're telling us it's going to happen this year. i'm not quite sure why there is a delay. they may have to try and work out how they can ask the questions in the public consultation. and we don't . consultation. and we don't. enough going to be one of the enough is going to be one of the strange consultations where you have or no? don't know have yes or no? don't know or whether going be whether we're going to be allowed explain the reasons allowed to explain the reasons why want fluoride why we don't want fluoride in our drinking water. joy behar with while i speak to my

with me while i speak to my panel here. emma how do you react to the to the. i just to the idea of something else being added into an unavoidable supply? you know, we can't really readily avoid working water. i my instinct is that people should be able to choose choice when it comes to something as fundamental as water. you know , that should water. you know, that should just simply be water that is safe to drink with nothing added to it . i safe to drink with nothing added to it. i presume that safe to drink with nothing added to it . i presume that there are to it. i presume that there are arguments for adding fluoride fluoride to water. maybe it's something to do with dental health or something. i'm not sure what those arguments are , sure what those arguments are, but surely that's something that should be on the choice of the individual and the idea is, as you say, of adding something external to an unavoidable supply, you know , most people, supply, you know, most people, particularly under the current circumstances, are not able to just simply live off of buying bottled water. this, to me seems to be an infringement of people's rights to choose. and i

in general am quite sceptical and concerned about anything additional being added chemicals to food, to water, to anything like that . and water is the is like that. and water is the is the basis of life. of course it's got to have some kind of profound impact. who does the government think they are that they to do this? they can choose to do this? ingnd they can choose to do this? ingrid this feels like yet another after the last two years we've this is another we've had this is another instance taking instance of someone else taking a about what should go a decision about what should go into bodies and seeking to into our bodies and seeking to make whether we want to or make it so whether we want to or not. is really scary. not. no, this is really scary. and i'm glad i've and i'm so glad that i've listened to joy when i had my first child, who was born in 1980 and i was living in london and i and i moved an awful lot. l, and i and i moved an awful lot. i, i bought, sold and i checked. and the first things i did when i moved to new place in a new i moved to a new place in a new area was checked the, the area was i checked the, the content fluoride the water content of fluoride in the water and if it was lower than the standard , i put fluoride tablets standard, i put fluoride tablets in the water, i did the complete opposite of what i was. so my children could have been rocket scientists because really

because if it's diminishing by 5 to 7% of, you know , mental to 7% of, you know, mental capacity or whatever and all the disabilities , did you get the disabilities, did you get the idea to do that? i don't know. it shows, though, that you can choose. it shows that you can choose. it shows that you can choose to if you are so frightening, because i'm really hot on things . i've always been hot on things. i've always been like that all my life. so now that i know how actually dangerous it can be and i and i've got a thing about teeth and bones and things like that. so it's like, of course you get it in the toothpaste. so it kind of makes sense. something at the time though, back in 1980 was being put out that the i must have picked up on that it was important to have said this is scary news , joy. where can scary news, joy. where can people find out more about fluoride so that that enabled to make decisions, informed decisions for themselves about what's right for them right . what's right for them right. okay. so as soon as the consultation is announced , we'll consultation is announced, we'll try and get that information out

into the, into newcastle or into nonh into the, into newcastle or into north east area. and with that i've got my faithful help. she's here and you see that all. yes . here and you see that all. yes. so yes this is the wonder cater to the north—east and it'll give people who are interested and concerned all the reasons why they don't want to be fluoridated joy from the water from the national national coordinator of the fluoride free fluoride free alliance uk. thank for your time and thank you for drawing our attention to such an important topic. thank you for just now. thank you, neil. another break. gosh, they come around quickly . i'll be asking around quickly. i'll be asking after the break. why many thousands of shellfish are washing up dead on the shoreline of northeast of england and nonh of northeast of england and north yorkshire. i'll be back shortly .

join me. come in a time at 930 on sunday morning when i'll be asking jacob rees—mogg whether the government is making the best of brexit. i'll also be joined boris johnson's former joined by boris johnson's former adviser, lyons , to adviser, gerard lyons, to discuss jeremy hunt's decision not to cut taxes and leading feminist julie bendle will be telling me why she thinks nicholas sturgeon is a disgrace to women. all that and more at 930 tomorrow . there you are, 930 tomorrow. there you are, lovely people. welcome back to nearly all of our live during late 2021. countless thousands of dead and dying crabs , other of dead and dying crabs, other crustaceans washed up on 40 miles of the shoreline of the north—east and north yorkshire. various explanations have been suggested for the event described as catalyst traffic, including disease , a parasite including disease, a parasite infestation or manmade pollution

. but more than a year later , . but more than a year later, the government concedes the cause may be known. joining me now is gary caldwell , cause may be known. joining me now is gary caldwell, senior lecturer in applied marine biology at newcastle university to reflect on what we and do not know . and also with me is joe know. and also with me is joe redfern , who's a marine redfern, who's a marine biologist and fisherman in whitby, which is one of the areas that's been affected. good evening. both good evening . evening. both good evening. first, first of all, just just to get to the you know, to the heart of the matter, give us a sense of the scale of the catastrophe to. yes. so it's very it's been devastating for fishing communities, especially those centred around the tees estuary. you're talking 90% down in catch rates . there's already in catch rates. there's already a ten fishing boats and fishing businesses gone up for sale , businesses gone up for sale, difficult for vessels keep crew

you know and it's not only an impact to the economics and their business but also to the wellbeing and mental health of the fishing community. it's just a struggle to keep faith for the future. and when you see in things like that, where hundreds of thousands of crabs and lobsters that make up the bread and butter of the income for the fishing industry are dead , fishing industry are dead, washed up on the beach . gary, washed up on the beach. gary, what species were affected ? they what species were affected? they were mainly edible crab and lobster, but they're also common shore crab and some developed swimming crabs , mainly the true swimming crabs, mainly the true crabs and lobster effectively that they crustaceans that you would see when you were going along the seashore, what you would expect to buy when you went to a seafood restaurant. and how long did the. i've seen it called a die off. how long did the die off last or is it still going on? it's quite a sophisticated question. so initially it was a massive wash

up of dead crustaceans over a very short period of time . and very short period of time. and that sort of tailed off over the following months . and we think following months. and we think of that as a first really big striking die off that happened. but subsequent leading to the have been smaller incidents throughout the year after that. but really we're focusing on the initial big die off that more or less wiped out the local crustacean population . and what crustacean population. and what are the possible causes know there's been a lot of investigation a lot of reports commissioned and written. what are the what are the likely who are the what are the likely who are the what are the likely who are the likely suspects ? so are the likely suspects? so initially the pfa, which is government's science body , government's science body, they've been the natural cause of a harmful algal bloom. the fishermen who are very familiar with the waters , the nature and with the waters, the nature and the seasonality of the seas challenged that because it didn't quite make sense to them and they commissioned the reports which indicated that it could be a source of industrial pollution and at some point that

lead and came into the scene with the group of the northern universal , the subject asking universal, the subject asking the question was industrial pollutant part of it. and we know that down to a single chemical called parodying and we engagedin chemical called parodying and we engaged in a of intensive work trying to understand that both trying to understand that both trying to understand that both trying to get our heads around the toxicity of parodying to crab to lobsters and then trying to map how that protein would have been transported down the coast, not subsequently. and more recently . another report more recently. another report being released that has actually indicated that they believe there was just a third cause, which i think is a passage of a disease. however, in this case, there isn't a direct evidence for it to admit that in the report . so really, the sole report. so really, the sole explanation of a disease phenomena or a parasite or a pathogen has no actual scientific . so we're still as scientific. so we're still as a group of universities, we're still asking more questions about industrial pollution, side of things and trying to tease a

little bit more detail around that. little bit more detail around that . you as a fisherman , what's that. you as a fisherman, what's your foot diagnosis or what decision do you come down on the side of ? well, it was strange side of? well, it was strange when we saw the first wash. usually when there's a wash on the beach, you can point it out towards , a storm or some clear towards, a storm or some clear event where this was just such a like a mystery, you know, that people have been fishing these waters for 50 years, have never seen anything like it. and everything everything we've observed has been centred around the tees estuary. so with the fishing community, you know, i've looked always towards the tees estuary as being the source and also when we saw that first big die off that gary talked about, it , it big die off that gary talked about, it, it coincided with a huge dredging operation in the mouth of the tees . so the mouth of the tees. so the fishing community convinced that it's come from that pollution and that's backed up by the science that's been provided by

the university . gary, that the university. gary, that sounds that sounds credible. you know, if as joe says , if people know, if as joe says, if people have been fishing, not losing anything like this for, you know, five decades, then there's a huge dredging operation . it a huge dredging operation. it surely does seem likely that some sort of pollution from from the coal mining industry or something that's been dormant in the sediment could readily have been kicked up into the into the water that the animals are in there. and that that's the basis that we've done our work as scientists. we're seeing, which is going to be evidence based . is going to be evidence based. absolutely everything new. there's no perspective and over the what we did, we have presented the evidence with, collected the toxicity data for the chemical. and i think one of the chemical. and i think one of the key chemicals involved is a chemical called keratin , which chemical called keratin, which is a industrial chemical. it has a very long heritage of release into the river, both accidental and deliberate. i was sure from my work that protein is very toxic to crabs and lobsters

much, much more so than, say to fish, for example . and so what fish, for example. and so what kind of evidence all stacks up ? kind of evidence all stacks up? because the protein could also be attached on to the sediment grains whenever the dredge releases the dredge. sediment and then that will be transferred down the coast, hoping very closely to the seabed. good work too much in this, neil, as we think you go into a nightclub and they turn on dry ice machine and you on that dry ice machine and you go that of dry ice jogging go that clyde of dry ice jogging along the floor, moving along and that kind of situation where you see a crop or a lobster on the seabed, you've got this cloud toxic material very, cloud of toxic material very, very close to the seabed coming your can't avoid it. your way. you can't avoid it. let's come together. we are particularly interested in actually attacks the crabs from the outside. it doesn't even need to get inside the crabs to kill them at. it attacks little receptors on their walking legs on the claws which they use to track down food. and a texas over excites the nerve cells so it becomes a bit like neurotoxin

and then it triggers them to go into a kind of convulsion of the twitching. they convulse and then they die in a matter of hours. it's a very fast, aggressive death . joe, what's aggressive death. joe, what's what hopes of recovery? you know, you've got whole families , a whole a whole industry. they're so badly affected. what talk is of any talk of compensation or any redress for what's happened ? no, we we've what's happened? no, we we've never talked about compensation . never been the drive know of the campaign from the fishermen to try and understand what happened. it's always been the first priority and to make sure that the pollution is stopped before there's talk of recovery. you know, we can talk all day about trying to rebuild the habitat or to rebuild these populations , but without populations, but without stopping the pollution first. you know , it will be a waste of you know, it will be a waste of time and an unfortunately, there's a new round of dredging to start on monday and which with other coastal communities a terrified is going to cause the same amount of death and

destruction we saw in 2021 a dreadful a dreadful story that a dreadful a dreadful story that a dreadful outcome right from fishermen and. marine biologist gary caldwell , thank you for gary caldwell, thank you for bringing that to us. and it's definitely a story we'll keep an eye on if, as you say, joe, there's more dredging to take place in the same area . but place in the same area. but thank you for your time so far. another break after which we'll find about whether the find out more about whether the government could still force every to have a every one of us to have a digital id. go back in 2 minutes

hello again . welcome back to hello again. welcome back to neil oliver live . the theme of neil oliver live. the theme of tonight's show is proposed changes to our lives. the government is hardly going out of its way to let us know about first the fluoride in drinking water, which will be a surprise to many. next up, plans to give us all a digital id. the question is, what would it mean for the way we lead our lives? critics of digital id see we are

potentially looking at nothing less than a digital prison. joining is sandy adams , joining me now is sandy adams, who has researching the who has been researching the topic several years. sandy, topic for several years. sandy, hello . good to see you. how all hello. good to see you. how all encompassing is the proposed digital id? that's that's being discussed . well, it's very, very discussed. well, it's very, very it's a it's almost like a control mechanism , if you like. control mechanism, if you like. i mean, without being to dramatic about it. this really is a it's a it's a means of collecting data by you digital id your digital it is your face really your facial recognition will unlock everything that you need to access goods and services, bank accounts, whatever . and we're services, bank accounts, whatever. and we're about to enter the zero trust world and thatis enter the zero trust world and that is really quite scary because you're treated as a criminal before you've actually unlocked your computer, looked at your emails. so the assumption is that you are a

body. you're about to prove that you are, in fact. exactly. you have to prove that you're guilty before before the trial . and before before the trial. and that zero trust world really , it that zero trust world really, it means that you know, in order to access all these goods and services and everything that you normally access in a free world, you won't be able to because you will have to authenticate all the time. and whilst that process is going on of course they are collecting your data . they are collecting your data. thatis they are collecting your data. that is the reason for the authentication is that they're collecting your data and selling it on to government departments, you know, and they've been very honest in this consultation. they've said yes, it will be shared with the cabinet office, you know, with with dhbs and various other agencies. i think it's defra but you know they're not being totally honest because the stakeholders underpinning all of this. so you will be sold on to state holders when this whole stakeholder capitalist

thing is going on as in money changes hands. well, yes, it's, it's , well, it's, it's actually it's, well, it's, it's actually on the blockchain . it's tokens on the blockchain. it's tokens on the blockchain. it's tokens on the blockchain. it's a different kind of currency that nobody really understood except the techies . and it's currency the techies. and it's currency that is, is generating tokens on the blockchain where impact investors get their rewards. now i wouldn't have known this was happening that this was being proposed . you hadn't told me why proposed. you hadn't told me why isn't something that is so all encompassing it's such a big change. why hasn't the information films on the television, you know , round the television, you know, round the clock updating us on this they don't want you to know that's the only reason i can i can honestly . i mean, why would they honestly. i mean, why would they not want us to know? because it's detrimental to our rights and freedoms. that's why . and and freedoms. that's why. and they don't want us to oppose it. and that's why this is so hidden, this document. this is for anybody that's watching. it's the consultation on draft legislation to support identity verification . i mean, they

verification. i mean, they couldn't make it longer. so you have to put that in a search engine. and at the end of the day, you've only got a very short window to fill this enormous word salad in really. and then you had to look at it, didn't you? yeah. i mean, i've i filled in government consultation forms like this before for organisations or as an individual and even just glancing at this before coming to the show today, it's so unnecessarily convoluted that you have to dig through it. yeah. two to find out exactly what they're getting out, what they're proposing, what the purpose of all of this is. it's so it's so confusing that even somebody who experience in somebody who has experience in fitting in a consultation form like this would probably find it confusing , let alone any sort of confusing, let alone any sort of normal person who stumbles across it. if they're looking at how much of it infrastructure is already there, you know, you talk about facial recognition. you know, in terms of the cameras this all cameras that will do this all around i know that on the around us. i know that on the phones and on the screens is all they are waiting. all

they are waiting. it's all there. it's infrastructure there. it's the infrastructure is there . and unfortunately, is there. and unfortunately, i mean, have that in your mean, you may have that in your supermarkets now . the human supermarkets now. the human tables are going and you've got these self—service tills with those self—service tills comes facial recognition . and all the facial recognition. and all the time , you know, when you're time, you know, when you're making those transactions , making those transactions, they're tracking and tracing everything . buy where you go , everything. buy where you go, where you go out at night, where you drink, what you do . they're you drink, what you do. they're tracking your your your financial transactions and all that data is available to anyone at the moment because i mean, they'll say , oh, no, you know, they'll say, oh, no, you know, we're keeping the privacy down. but you know, they haven't actually done it. it's on risk assessment of privacy on this . assessment of privacy on this. we've all had to work the chinese model of surveillance and social credit score . so it's and social credit score. so it's not paranoia, is it not conspiracy theory to see that if there's the will in government to transform this into something whereby your behaviour online can be a mark against you or in

your favour , that's not your favour, that's not conspiracy theory is . no, no, conspiracy theory is. no, no, it's all the facts. so there and it's all the facts. so there and it does seem that, you know, we all know we've we've we've all been debt slaves. this is a transition into identity slavery so that, you know, if you if you don't have the it's changing the economy . this don't have the it's changing the economy. this is a form of currency. you know , the digital currency. you know, the digital economy is this circular economy that that they're creating is actually a form of currency . so actually a form of currency. so what they will do is that you will be given your carbon credits . and when those are credits. and when those are done, when you when you've expired, that may be bought too much, whatever. they don't like meat or whatever, you know, the biomass strips in the supermarkets and there will be biometric doors eventually . biometric doors eventually. that's what tescos are looking at at the moment. you know, stores don't open if your facial recognition links up to your digital i.d. recognition links up to your digital id. by some loop, who knows what the footprint of carbon when you listen to this

and you listen to the brave new world being described, do you feel, oh, i feel absolutely horrified. it seems like sci fi that was sort of like we're part of the sci fi cast. and what they're saying as well, which i find absolutely pathetic . it's find absolutely pathetic. it's all for convenience . so we don't all for convenience. so we don't have to come to keep giving the information each and every time. so it's a what's it called, the new the something , one stop or new the something, one stop or whatever, you know . yeah. so whatever, you know. yeah. so once you've done this , have to once you've done this, have to think about it ever again . it's think about it ever again. it's all for convenience is such lies . i think same thing with privacy as well because this is out. they say they'll they'll put it will protect your privacy but the absolute opposite is true and it needs to go to line an official line here. the government has launched an open consultation draft consultation into the draft legislation have legislation and people have until the 1st of march to give their views. alex burghart is their views. alex burghart is the parliamentary secretary for the parliamentary secretary for the cabinet office, said this government made a commitment to improve data and improve the way that data and information shared and used information is shared and used across public sector .

across the public sector. deliver joined up deliver better joined up services and exceptional outcomes for our citizens. people often access government services in times of great need and services must provide the best possible experience for users while maintaining privacy, trust, confidence . the trust, building confidence. the government is due to publish a response consultation may response to the consultation may the easy when you see it the 24th. easy when you see it fast.it the 24th. easy when you see it fast. it is absolutely . and you fast. it is absolutely. and you know it. they haven't. unlike the census , where they were the census, where they were putting putting it all out on breakfast television and everything, there's been nothing said about this. they didn't really want you see really don't want you to see this. so this. they've made so complicated . and, you know, complicated. and, you know, there's 12 questions that are quite loaded to and it's almost two. so they're assuming that you're going along with this know sunday we're going to run out time such important topic out of time such important topic so we will come back to it in the days and weeks ahead. there's more to come there's lots more to come between 8:00. speak between now and 8:00. i'll speak to man who's trying to help to a man who's trying to help tackle the epidemic tackle the obesity epidemic among we'll joined among children. we'll be joined by of an online school. by the head of an online school. he why a big fan he explains why he's a big fan of remote learning tonight's

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this evening by rae addison. thanks neill. here's the latest from the gb newsroom 276 flybe staff have been made redundant with the airline going into administration for the second time in three years. around . time in three years. around. 75,000 holidaymakers have now had their bookings cancelled. flybe returned to the skies last april after collapsing in 2020. they were operating flights to 17 destinations as the head of the rmt union says its members will decide by the 8th of february whether to accept the latest and final pay offer from the rail delivery group . mick the rail delivery group. mick lynch says discussions will be held with members across the country over the next ten days. but he told gb news he does not optimistic . what we've got is optimistic. what we've got is a really poor offer . the pay offer really poor offer. the pay offer is below less than half of the rate inflation over these two years. inflation is running over 20 to 23% in the retail price index. this is 9% over two years and we had no offer for three

years before that. so this people are getting poorer and at the same time, their conditions and their working lives have been trampled all over. so i'm quite suspicious about what's going on and i don't know if our members would be prepared to accept it . graphic bodycam accept it. graphic bodycam footage has been released in the united states showing police in memphis beating a black man who died three days later. now a warning some people may find the following footage distressing dunng. following footage distressing during . moment you may. 29 year during. moment you may. 29 year old tyree nichols was kicked, punched and pepper sprayed as he cried out for his mother. punched and pepper sprayed as he cried out for his mother . five cried out for his mother. five black officers have been sacked and are facing murder charges . and are facing murder charges. tennessee state representative gaye hardaway says we need to improve police vetting . these improve police vetting. these are folks who we are giving

permission at their discretion to take your liberty or your life. we've got to do a better job of deciding who has that authority . will staying in the authority. will staying in the us and former president donald trump has started his campaign for re—election in 2024. they said he's not doing rallies. he's not campaigning. maybe he's lost that step. but we didn't. i'm more angry now and i'm more committed now than i ever was. this mr. trump speaking there at a republican event in new hampshire in his first campaign speech , several party members speech, several party members decided to attend or claimed to have scheduling conflicts. mr. next stop will be south carolina ana, which is also seen as a kingmaker state. it's and tributes are being paid to clare drake for the wife of welsh

first minister mark drake , who first minister mark drake, who died suddenly this afternoon . died suddenly this afternoon. the prime minister is among those to pass on his heartfelt to mr. drake food and his family. labour leader keir starmer and the prince and princess of wales said they too were sending their thoughts and their prayers during this time . their prayers during this time. we're on tv , online and on the we're on tv, online and on the ab plus radio . this is gb news. ab plus radio. this is gb news. back now to neil oliver live . back now to neil oliver live. thank you. welcome back, everyone. more and more when bombarded with infamy about what we should and shouldn't eat . we should and shouldn't eat. imagine my surprise last week when i read scientists had decided eggs might cause heart attacks. as someone who eats so very , very many eggs every week, very, very many eggs every week, i was certainly surprised. every

knows, though, that keeping kids on the healthy, straight and narrow can be a challenge as well. my next guest, alex goss from the adventurous eating team at teach your monster , joins me at teach your monster, joins me to offer some sage advice. good evening. thanks for joining to offer some sage advice. good evening. thanks forjoining us, covid. nice to speak to you. how are you? i'm good. i'm good. now, our kids are our children as likely as us, as us parents to fall into bad habits over christmas . yeah, absolutely . you christmas. yeah, absolutely. you know, if you've got sort of what you could call junk food or sweet treats around us, then they're very tempting for us and obviously very, very tempting for the kids as well for our the basics of keeping kids own healthy foods rather than following their noses and their natural inclination is . yeah. i natural inclination is. yeah. i mean , it is a really, really big mean, it is a really, really big challenge. and this challenge is

as old as the hills. it's something which parents generations have struggled with . they, they the general advice that we would give is it really starts with role modelling. so if in your home, your children , if in your home, your children, perhaps you will eat at the dinner table together and they can see you enjoying fruit and veg. that's really where it all starts . tried to keep junk food starts. tried to keep junk food out of the house as much as possible by not turning into a forbidden fruit, so to speak . forbidden fruit, so to speak. but, you know, just making sure that it's not just widely available and when they do try those things , which might be those things, which might be unfamiliar to them or perhaps they've said previously, i don't like it like an onion or a mushroom or something, just given them a tiny bit. so just sort of encourage gently them to give it a try and it's okay if they don't like it is we've always thought in our in our house that round the table has an enormous impact on everything

to do with eating . we always to do with eating. we always find that, you know, everything from conversation flows naturally. you get opportunity to catch up with each others d and life, but it definitely encourages everyone to eat the same thing rather than splitting off and following their own desire . yeah, it's , you know, desire. yeah, it's, you know, it's something which we do see less and less and it doesn't work for every family, you know , families can be , you know, , families can be, you know, doing one thing. one arrives a bit later . so it's not always bit later. so it's not always possible for all families to eat together . it is conducive for possible for all families to eat together. it is conducive for a good , sort of healthy, good, sort of healthy, nutritious diyer and a time for the family to not, you know, just to enjoy the food together. but even if they can't do that, that's to say that we shouldn't be trying to get more fruit and veg into kids diets. how, however you're eating it. ingrid, how did you get on with your kids when it came to the,

your kids when it came to the, you know, the perennial challenge of keeping interested in the right kinds of food because ? we ate together . and because? we ate together. and thatis because? we ate together. and that is actually key to and we ate good food, good healthy food . i'm a terrible cook , i have to . i'm a terrible cook, i have to say. no, i am. and i'm really, really hated doing it. but i would not go down that road of buying even good pre—made food because i knew that would be additives that as children additives that as the children used aeroplane food , used to love aeroplane food, everybody cooking, everybody hates mum's cooking, but i did that. so they grew up with with good eating habits and i think what's happened since then, back in my age, more and more women are working and then time out and they don't come back from work. they don't have time to cook , prepare meals and time to cook, prepare meals and everything. so it's all about forward planning, they forward planning, which they could , you know, everybody could do, you know, everybody could do, you know, everybody could contribute. and could contribute. many and better kitchen ever used better in the kitchen ever used to be so . they are tending to go to be so. they are tending to go the easy way out and then you

get that just plain lazy people that just can't be bothered. so they all have a bag of cookies, do this, do that, and we'll look at jamie oliver. he tried to show people what went into the fast rubbish food that they were eating to put them off well, which was brilliant . they're which was brilliant. they're still eating it. emma we find my wife cooks the time she knows most of the things that my kids are cooked, you know, from scratch. but it's that round the table thing . yeah. eating table thing. yeah. eating together. did you was that part of your growing up ? um, not so of your growing up? um, not so much sometimes. and i think so because i don't have children myself yet. but i was once a child and i, to begin with was and also, i'm told, a picky eater do anything. and then i was left alone with my grandmother once and that i has a lot to do with expectation . a lot to do with expectation. and so if somebody tells you you don't like that no, you don't like that or or or babies you

and doesn't have the expectation that you'll just eat everything. i think that makes a huge difference. and i do think the social aspect regardless the healthy eating. i think that thatis healthy eating. i think that that is so important and you know, even with my close friends, i was getting every week and sitting around the table, is it really part of just living a healthy, rounded life? never mind the food aspect of it. and i think particularly when you have young children at the table with you and they engage conversation with you and they're part of it, they're not sat on their ipads, you know, not engaging with the adult suppers . that's another, think suppers. that's another, i think thing. not eating thing. and they're not eating think important for food be think it's important for food be part of an overall healthy rounded life in order to have that good relationship with food . alex i think you can see the strong message coming out here is is the importance is this is the importance of, you know , people eating you know, people eating together, families eating together, families eating together , and it's together, and that if it's whatever it is, you're trying to get your kids to eat, if you're all eating it together at the same around, the table,

same time around, the table, it's more to happen, is it's more likely to happen, is it's more likely to happen, is it it certainly, absolutely it not? it certainly, absolutely . it's one of the things that we'd recommend. i think it's also important to remember the science behind what we eat as well as humans taking it kind of way back . we are predisposed to way back. we are predisposed to sweet and calorific foods . so if sweet and calorific foods. so if they're going to be available even at the dinner table, then children will make that choice to say, you know what, i'll have that sweet yoghurt instead of that sweet yoghurt instead of that banana or, that orange . so that banana or, that orange. so that's one thing. and then on the on the other side , when it the on the other side, when it comes to trying fruit and veg. so easy for us as adults , forget so easy for us as adults, forget that opening a raw pepper and seeing the seeds inside is something the many, many kids haven't seen . and to know that haven't seen. and to know that strawberries actually grow on a bushis strawberries actually grow on a bush is again something, which not all kids will have seen. so

starting with simply looking at food , where it comes from , food, where it comes from, giving it a sniff and then getting to it by. it's something which allows kids to just feel a little bit safer and a little bit less about food and that's what we've we with so disconnect we were so disconnected from the reality of our food you know i think that you're right about, you know, vegetables and what they what they are, where they come from, like before the end up on your plate. but you know, with with the animals that we eat well you people see eat as well you know people see meat something that comes you know shrink wrapped and bloodless and you know a lot confronted with the reality of an animal that's had, you know, an animal that's had, you know, a life and then something that is our food . yeah, absolutely is our food. yeah, absolutely completely agree about to ban or not to ban you know, when we when we when we have our kids were very small . there was this were very small. there was this constant conflict with other not conflict but other parents did

it differently and there was a lot of banning on you couldn't that fizzy drink or they couldn't have certain things and the those kids really really wanted them like you know they were like heroin addicts denied their denied the hit. we didn't ban and our kids were pretty cool but the whole thing they they knew they could have it and they knew they could have it and they often didn't bother. yeah as as i said earlier, now banning can create that sense of like forbidden fruit, excuse the pun . i think the thing i think pun. i think the thing i think is key here to try and make fruit and veg a little fun, try and you know, like i say, talk about it and just have it around the place . and that's what we've the place. and that's what we've tried do with that new game. adventurous eating as well is just bring it to life and just make it something kids can just engage with and, you know, open up a tomato and see the seeds

inside a lot. kids haven't seen a watermelon and what that looks like inside. so just trying to give them that safe place to play give them that safe place to play with food as things i know a lot of everyone has the opportunity to do it. but you know, for example, we my wife group, we grow a lot of our own stuff. you know, we did we had a kitchen garden and you know, we've got apple and so on. and it does make difference when the kids see the you know, the apple juice that's actually come from apples . it's juice that's actually come from apples. it's a great deal more excitement than just a carton of apple . definitely. well, we had apple. definitely. well, we had kitchen garden when we go upstairs. so it was we were foraging almost. upstairs. so it was we were foraging almost . then, of foraging almost. then, of course, with no, we would go into woods learned into the woods we learned the mushrooms once it was mushrooms that were once it was safe to eat and things like that. it's huge that we that. and it's a huge that we fished that. and it's a huge that we fished the fish it was all very fresh. but you know in amongst all this as well, it's we don't have it all this generation don't have healthy mind don't have a healthy mind because they don't exercise ehhen because they don't exercise either. so it's food, it's

exercise is all getting kind of like a balanced lifestyle that incorporates all of and i think that we're fighting a losing battle as you say. i mean the zoo's saying they don't know what a watermelon is because it comes like a little clear container. but it's going to. yeah, the pilot lap inside and they don't know what a pineapple is like. yeah. the psychology , is like. yeah. the psychology, it all wrong. but look it is just all wrong. but look at, mediterranean you at, mediterranean countries, you has a of and we because has a of bees and we because it's all around the table some specific has happened here to us and markets they see the food and markets they see the food and they pick and they squeeze and they pick and they squeeze and touch way i think and they touch it a way i think the children are the victim arms of the sort of society that we've created . parents have to we've created. parents have to go to work , commute long go to work, commute long distances. they might not get home until very late. it's difficult to feed yourself if you've got a routine that, never mind to feed a child , you know, mind to feed a child, you know, single parents as well, increasingly atomised households . there are all of these different factors , children's different factors, children's eating in ways is a sort of victim of it's so much cheaper

though, to whatever to own. so they have planned ahead, whatever happened to the phrase, didn't your mother teach you not to play with your food now? it sounded like playing your food might the solution, but the might be the solution, but the solution, alex, as the garden is grown for hope, you know, ingrid says, you know, the game is up, the game is lost, will drift too far from food and far away from from food and understanding diet or is the understanding of diet or is the light at the end of the tunnel? yeah. nearly it does feel like an uphill challenge . times but an uphill challenge. times but with the research that we've doneis with the research that we've done is as we've made the game adventurous, eating , we've seen adventurous, eating, we've seen the by using what's called a multi—sensory approach. it's called the saray method, which is basically kind of gobbledegook for just use is basically kind of gobbledegook forjust use all gobbledegook for just use all your senses to try foods and just have it widely available to just have it widely available to just explore fruit and veg . we just explore fruit and veg. we have seen changes, positive changes just by becoming less

and braver of these plants. the at the end of the day, they are plants that they're edible plants that they're edible plants that they might have tried before, but just kind of becoming really familiar with them and having a bit of fun and going, oh no, i don't like that. well i'll give that a lick. and then day they give it then the next day they give it a try before you, before, you try and before you, before, you know, they eat the whole thing. we have seen positive we have seen those positive steps made in just recently since we've launched the game . since we've launched the game. some kids are now saying, do know what can i try that that my monster tried and they're getting new things on their shopping lists whether it's in aubergine or courgette , which aubergine or courgette, which previously they had no interest in. so that kind of vicarious playing through that monster in the game, they've then ended up saying , actually, can i have saying, actually, can i have that in real life ? emma, try that in real life? emma, try playing your food. that's playing with your food. that's the solution . get them hands on the solution. get them hands on and playing with it. that's the way alex goes. thank you so much

for turning our attention to such an important topic. the stuff of life food and the closer we get to it in the healthiest way, the better. another break, though, after which meet week's which we'll meet this week's great britain, man from the great britain, a man from the home the pie eaters who was home of the pie eaters who was the duly crowned world pie eating champion . see you .

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gb views. who's. welcome back to neil oliver live. now to our children's education is never ending at the moment. after months of lockdown school closures a couple of years of covid. now we have rolling strikes. what's to be done if our youngsters are not to have their futures permanently compromised? new government guidance says home schooling can help in court . exceptional help in court. exceptional circumstances . but my next circumstances. but my next guest, hugh viney , ceo of guest, hugh viney, ceo of malvo's virtual academy, an onune malvo's virtual academy, an online school , says that rather online school, says that rather than the exception , home than the exception, home schooling is actually the very best option all round for thousands of children . she joins thousands of children. she joins me now . good evening to you . me now. good evening to you. good evening. this is why i love this subject. we do in our house. we talk about this a lot. education and state and. well, fee paying school forever has been car crash recently, has it not? absolute yeah. yeah. and but covid there were benefits to

it too. there was an awakening from thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of families around the world, around the world and in the uk who realised for the first time, who saw for the first time their child was happy, not happy because the first time their child was happy, not happy because they weren't doing any work, but happy because they enjoyed school. suddenly i don't know. i phoned my kids , especially my phoned my kids, especially my youngest . i phoned my kids, especially my youngest. i found it very, very difficult actually. how old is your youngest ? he was let's see, your youngest? he was let's see, he was probably 12. and all the 11, 12 and all this started and 11,12 and all this started and the separation from school definitely affected him badly. and though, you know, my wife was was all over it and was was aware of his curriculum and, you know, and was on top of it, he found it very to, you know, sat in front his computer screen to train , engage in such train, engage in such a different way . he's train, engage in such a different way. he's in train, engage in such a different way . he's in the different way. he's in the majority. absolutely the press was correct . homeschooling was was correct. homeschooling was hell for most families. just for that reason make a difference

though it does. and from study show from about 12 upwards it's more effective . but what i'm more effective. but what i'm talking about was a of kids but a significant minority about 20% of kids who until point had just suffered at school . families suffered at school. families such asit suffered at school. families such as it was you have three children of the eldest son thrives at the school the younger daughter thrives school but the middle child for example , has hated school for five years in covid they they loved learning again and parents realising up and down the country. wow is there another way is homeschooling legal? there was massively homeschooling . what company homeschooling. what company would come up and they'd call and say to discovered homeschooling? what is it? where do we start? where do we go? i want to homeschool my child. it then gets a more complicated. but was awakening i'm but that was the awakening i'm talking obviously talking about. so obviously there there who there are people out there who just into themselves and just take into themselves and yet they are the teachers. yet the they are the teachers. yeah, talking yeah, but you're talking something which is a combination of mean, you're, of the two. i mean, you're, you're leading from. there are

several. yes. i'm all school is actually the buying and combination of the two from the parents is actually making the parents is actually making the parents making sure the kids go to school, make sure they get to their desk. also making sure they're healthy and eat well so that those go back the that those go back on the parent, unlike at school, you hope trust the have hope you can trust the to have that responsibility. but that sort of responsibility. but what talking about actually what i'm talking about actually is schooling that covers is online schooling that covers everything good online everything and good online schooling does everything you should a school should expect from a good school assembly monday morning with assembly on monday morning with the headmaster live with amazing teachers and pastoral care, with mentoring one on one once a week and then great. really, really great best in class digital learning which normal schools traditional schools sorry my people always say don't call them a traditional physical schools mainstream physical. so don't have that tech necessarily. so what i'm talking aboutis necessarily. so what i'm talking about is a revolution in online school which does everything you need.the school which does everything you need. the good school would do, including social is always going to see does it do you because of

there's an assumption i think that your child is on their own. really? yeah. yeah is an really? yeah. yeah is that an opportunity for kids that are learning with you to learning online with you to interact with one another and feel they're part of a feel that they're part of a class % yeah. so, so class hundred% yeah. so, so community is huge and important for our school and other good onune for our school and other good online schools, they live online schools, they have live lessons with teachers and their peers, . they have peers, interaction. they have afterschool clubs and art and entrepreneurship, they have social rooms online. and i know some parents would be sitting here going, god, but still here going, god, but that still onune here going, god, but that still online i'll come online and that's but i'll come to that in a second i will address that. but they are socialising every day and engaging every socialising every day and engyand; every socialising every day and engyand good every socialising every day and engyand good online every socialising every day and engyand good online schoolsary socialising every day and engyand good online schools go day and good online schools go further once. and so further at least once. and so twice a term they're meeting up in person. those social in person. and those social interactions incredibly interactions are incredibly strong. also , if you choose strong. now also, if you choose this online schooling route, your advice is to join local clubs in the area near you spoke clubs, drama, music . so loads of clubs, drama, music. so loads of our kids are thriving . the our kids are thriving. the sociable they just if they just attend school in a different way

to the mainstream . emma if i'm to the mainstream. emma if i'm assuming i'm assuming here that you went to school. yeah i left the house in the morning and afternoon. does this would have appealed to you, do you think, if could take yourself back to that know when you're ten, 11, 12? it's hard to say . i that know when you're ten, 11, 12? it's hard to say. i think i think that. so i personally it wouldn't have for me, but we wouldn't have for me, but we would do it for me . i, would do it for me. i, i personally am in favour of home schooling. i think that it should be protected. i that it's a very good thing, a part of thatis a very good thing, a part of that is because i like the idea of having control over the curriculum to some degree and escaping some of the nonsense that you see happening in schools in the news all the time . but obviously one aspect of that is, is the social. i think probably i would have struggled with the isolation of what and probably i think a lot of students will probably suffer from, you know, issues with discipline and maybe would make children more disciplined if they in charge of you they were more in charge of you , sure they're sitting

, making sure they're sitting down, engaged . my down, being engaged. but my concern would be that the social aspect that, you know, a lot of and a lot of kids spend a lot of time on screens anyway. we saw dunng time on screens anyway. we saw during covid profound impact of not having that social engagement. so even if you have assembly, it's now i went to a deaf primary school and we used to sign all our hymns and you know, i don't think that you would get that, you know, that feeling of being in an assembly, going in, you know, lining up all of that aspect of it, singing songs , the sort of the singing songs, the sort of the profound and more sense of being in a social that i don't think you can get online. and i, i even though i personally if i had children would would seriously homeschooling because the control it gives you i would be concerned and that the social the sort of social deficit is something that is very to make up for just in something that is very to make up forjust in terms of joining

up for just in terms of joining some clubs in your local area or meeting up wants every term with your peers and in a physical location . it's a difficult location. it's a difficult balance isn't it, even for no matter how well intentioned you are as a as a peer and no matter how cooperative and involved gauge your child is, it's still difficult, isn't it, as emma says, that how do you how do you make sure your child is being rounded off by, you know, having the rough edges rubbed off by others? is i would think that. well, the thing is i've got quite lot experience in quite a lot of experience in this my grandson this thing because my grandson was 15 rising 16 when lockdown happened. and he happened to be with and i said to him, what with me and i said to him, what you want to get you home to mum? oh, you to because oh, do you want to stay because obviously wasn't going to go, obviously he wasn't going to go, to school so he wanted to stay. so thought okay fine, is so i thought okay fine, this is good. i'll be in my office good. you, i'll be in my office at desk he can sit at my desk and he can sit opposite other desk if opposite the other desk and. if he needs any help he can just shout. now was very shout. now this was very different and were given. different and they were given. they were set. what to do and then they to submit it by then they had to submit it by certain and everything . so

certain dates and everything. so there was no no presents, no virtual . now there was no no presents, no virtual. now he found really hard. so then he was so i sort of became the substitute teacher guiding him and steering him . guiding him and steering him. and i found it a bit hard . i and i found it a bit hard. i think that had the been the teacher there now, i could go on my other experience, my granddaughter has just started homeschooling with the teacher onune homeschooling with the teacher online and i think it was probably september. so it's all very new and it is absolute fantastic. so straightaway a difference between having the presence of a teacher there and being left to your own devices. so if you haven't got a parent thatis so if you haven't got a parent that is particularly clever or doesn't have the time that child is going to suffer, are not going to benefit. so the balance there's a lot of balance that comes to it. one thing is you've really got to question , can you really got to question, can you provide the backup and can you also provide the time to make up

for the losses of and social interactions by arranging specific conscious arranging events , swimming, specific conscious arranging events , swimming , going to the events, swimming, going to the park, meeting up with friends that you wouldn't perhaps do, especially an older age where you don't would you do that you didn't have play dates like you didn't have play dates like you did when they were little. you so it's very individual. it takes of conscious well, takes a lot of conscious well, something that occurs to the teachers that you have or they draw on to teachers in a draw on to being teachers in a virtual academy because they are dissatisfied with no regular sake or 100% teachers from the private and state sector have been flocking to the online schooling sector because . what schooling sector because. what doesit schooling sector because. what does it give them? flexibility like like any job that is attracted to the virtual environment or remote flexibility , shorter hours , the flexibility, shorter hours, the more control of their life and they can and less paperwork with

so tech savvy online schools it so tech savvy online schools it so much is automat marked data is automatically tracked so you know not the teachers who do these incredible jobs are so fed up fundamentally that they can't anymore at schools right you hear a lot. and this is hear this a lot. and this is exodus happening. lots of exodus is to benefit of the online is to the benefit of the online school which not school market, which i'm not saying great. i support all saying is great. i support all teachers, yes, it's teachers, but yes, it's interesting. so? interesting. do you think so? maybe, having an maybe, you know, having an onune maybe, you know, having an online school is almost preparing people for a different market. it's preparing people for this kind of remote working . whereas, you know , whether or . whereas, you know, whether or not that is what the future if your child is used , to going out your child is used, to going out every day at a certain time and coming back and going into a physical job in an office, you know, going from online schooling a physical job in schooling to a physical job in an will be quite an office will be quite a stretch if that's not something that used to. a that you're used to. and it's a it's a as i was saying, you know, it's profound what we learn from social interactions. we fully understand we don't really fully understand it. just i just wonder it. and i just i just wonder whether ever compensate it. and i just i just wonder wh

it. and i just i just wonder wh

majority of kids. if i consider there's children with mental health issues, exacerbate it by the q to the lunch room exacerbated by the playground there's the counter argument or won't they just get worse if you're taking them away from that, shouldn't they learn? and actually, after four years of bullying and being miserable, don't you to take them out don't you want to take them out from yes, they make from that? yes, they can make them feel better again. and many of our children who come to our school mental health reasons school for mental health reasons they finish their gcse guess they finish their gcse and guess what? to physical what? they go back to physical colleges sixth for colleges for sixth form for their their so their btecs, their a—levels. so it's choice just this is kind of like the sinister mind working. i mean and this is a competition itself. it's the work from home. is this another way of just introducing the concept of being work being in isolation, being an isolation that it starts now as soon as it becomes a very natural transition into work from home because we are into isolation is a key point . but

isolation is a key point. but we're running out of time here. ceo of virtual academy , it's ceo of virtual academy, it's such an interesting topic. you're right about choice. i absolutely back anything that adds choice into into the mix. so thank you very much this evening another another break always a break after which we can finally meet. this week's great britain this worldwide champion. oh, yes, he is. i'll be back .

in three. welcome back once more to neil oliver live tomorrow on gb news, we bring you an exclusive interview with former levelling up minister simon clark. he's told gloria de piero that some conservative mp should have given liz truss time. she lasted just 45 days as prime minister last year . it just 45 days as prime minister last year. it is for colleagues ultimately to judge their own actions and whether they got behind the leader. but i do feel i'm feel that people owed liz

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body. you there there? some of your body. you're not nearly the size i was expecting from world pie eating champion . yes yes, pie eating champion. yes yes, sir. he's got to be doing us into just a regular just into just a regularjust a individual. you look there . tell individual. you look there. tell me all about it. body bit by bit, if you will. that triumph, that you've experienced for some time . oh it was good down. and time. oh it was good down. and then just on the table. and then you just getting ready for the foil and just eating it as quick as you can . little chunks , big as you can. little chunks, big chunks . no as you can. little chunks, big chunks. no and then it's just trying to eat all as quick as you can. but still in anything. what sort? what sort of pie was 7 what sort? what sort of pie was ? it for the pie purists watching. it was a meet them potato pie . oh, a classic. yes. potato pie. oh, a classic. yes. and what was your winning time ?

and what was your winning time? 35.4 seconds. unbelievable now, i believe the trophy in question has a rather name. if you could remind us of . yeah, it's called remind us of. yeah, it's called leaf pigging. brad lee. pigeons. it's a it's a world unto itself, really, isn't it? the world pie eating championships. something quite special, i would say . oh quite special, i would say. oh yeah , it is. yes what about what yeah, it is. yes what about what attracts what attracts what attracts what attracts what attracts a person to an event such as this, where enough. do you get the idea that eating a pie faster than anybody else in the world is really your forte ? the world is really your forte? i've always been a fussy too. and because it's local to me, i fall down and just go and try it. yeah, but not once. not just twice, but three times. you've. you've achieved this. yes three times i've achieved it. and

ventured about 15 times. now but i didn't know that you've done this 15 . that's made my night. this 15. that's made my night. do you taste the pie on the way down on a or is each one really just an enemy to be over and more like an animated beat up? it's all. i didn't really taste it this time , but i tasted the it this time, but i tasted the truth . but i couldn't solve it . truth. but i couldn't solve it. you must joke 15 times. that was my takeaway for the whole evening. that does. does the meat potato pie play to europe ? meat potato pie play to europe? particular pie eating strengths , or would you have had another flavour combination that would have made it easier for you ? no, have made it easier for you? no, i think i mean, that one is quite easy to eat. be honest with you. and the meat and potato , because it is very soft potato, because it is very soft

inside. it does try and go down very quickly and on the previous on the previous 50 occasions has always been a and potato pie . no always been a and potato pie. no is a different varieties is that chicken veggie that all over your hands . all of it and it your hands. all of it and it wasn't it wasn't very good . and wasn't it wasn't very good. and then there's a puff pastry . so then there's a puff pastry. so if you pastry on the pies , it's if you pastry on the pies, it's marmalade mince beef. if you pastry on the pies, it's marmalade mince beef . and on the marmalade mince beef. and on the venezuelan you've reminded me there was a there was a sound recordist i used to work with when i was making a different kind of television show. jamie flynn, i wonder if jamie flynn's watching we've talked watching and we we've talked often show we wanted to often about a show we wanted to do together called pie of the day and pie talk because we were great pie aficionado so i speak to you with some enthusiasm for the pie as a concept. to you with some enthusiasm for the pie as a concept . you know, the pie as a concept. you know, i'm not i'm, i'm, i'm genuinely

in what you're talking about here . but i also need to ask here. but i also need to ask what is your technique? you know, for people aspiring to be world champion, what is the best way to approach this ? the best way to approach this? the best way to approach this? the best way to approach it is by holding in two hands. well, and then just when you reach it, you don't anything on the table relative to the competition . and relative to the competition. and then just you choose lots of small bites or just a few big bites , which often roll by. you bites, which often roll by. you should go for small twos . and should go for small twos. and again, again, how do you prepare beforehand? do you put yourself on a starvation diet for the week before . well, no adult. week before. well, no adult. well, i went to summer when i went down to the haiti competition and because i was slightly off camera when i finished a more . p&o can you ask

finished a more. p&o can you ask can i ask a favour? can we kind of a pie eating of a pie straight to with the report is and then we finished you went to the side again with the cameras and eaten over pie outside as well. you're eating free pie . well. you're eating free pie. absolutely i talked to elliot tonight about crickets and other bugs being into food. how would you feel about a cricket ? not you feel about a cricket? not really, no no , i. i think it's really, no no, i. i think it's a something. well, i'm used to you. you and me . body. body, you. you and me. body. body, rugby three times. world pie and champion. and tonight's great britain. thank you so much . that britain. thank you so much. that has been the highlight of my . has been the highlight of my. thank you. thank you. thank you on to another break night after which a former masterchef finalist will join us in the studio on masterchef finalist has prepared some tasty treats don't go .

welcome back. we're in a whole new part of the studio, which is very exciting. trust me. the irony of one two hour show making room for a story about healthy eating kids. another about the three times world pie eating champion . and also eating champion. and also a story about to how cook well, on a stretched budget, it's not lost on me. but here we are. life's rich tapestry and all that. my final guests, this evening are deepa chon , founder evening are deepa chon, founder of the community foodbank and dutch mistry, a masterchef finalist . they're here to talk finalist. they're here to talk about the how to cook video guide to encourage good, decent with food available from food bankin with food available from food bank in a time when food and fuel crises are making life hard for millions . good evening, for millions. good evening, deepa. and actually you've got our and your own company so this

is the background from which you have come . and these are samples have come. and these are samples of what's available now. i'm fascinated by this idea that it's to encourage people are on very very stretched budgets if any budget at all. indeed yeah. so thanks for having us. i'm and so about community foodbank we received two bit of funding from barnet community fund and so we reached out to actually mystery bbc masterchef finalist she connie agreed to assist us in our journey with our clients accessing our foodbank how to eat well because don't for everyone you know when i when , i everyone you know when i when, i think of a foodbank it does like well it's desperate straits in a way and it sounds like a survival really more than anything else . and but the idea anything else. and but the idea that you can endeavour to have really nice . yes. healthy but really nice. yes. healthy but also exciting and interesting food. and that's a revelation if come into our bank eight, 8 to

9% of what you see on our tables is fresh, fresh fruit, fresh vegetables , as well as non—veg vegetables, as well as non—veg items . it's really important items. it's really important because it doesn't matter where you come from . what's because it doesn't matter where you come from .what's important you come from. what's important is that you are able eat healthy and well . what we got here. okay and well. what we got here. okay so basically all these ingredients you see on this plate are readily available at the community food bank. now, all i've done represented in my way, obviously being a master bbc must is a finalist in presenting in a better manner. is so much important for me. yes. so obviously what eating here is a lovely piece of roast breast of chicken with lovely, you know, with chargrilled broccoli. it looks it looks you've got you've got sweet potato mash. mm and a lovely, lovely , beautiful peppers . so lovely, beautiful peppers. so please enjoy. yeah i. do hope

it's still warm , but these are it's still warm, but these are the vegetables. see the ingredients that our clients pick up ? they don't necessarily pick up? they don't necessarily know how to cook, how to utilise these ingredients. so without bbc master chef at ben take me to food right we've created how to food right we've created how to cook guide video guides on youtube and they can follow diksha . and do they though ? are diksha. and do they though? are you aware that people really are following? well, basically what we've done is we've done little videos on and on exactly how to cook from the food that's available at the food bank. so it's on youtube, it's on it's on on every newsletter that we have that, you know, they can watch . that, you know, they can watch. so i think so because they when they do come to the bank, they do see they do recognise me. and they said, oh, you're the lady. oh yeah. so they do recognise me and they do ask me certain questions. those, how do we use certain ingredients. you know,

for example, celeriac, it's not a very of a vegetable that most people use. so i tell them that how to use celeriac it's a very very nutritional value in celeriac and how to use. i just tell them how to produce and what's the tissue. okay, so we have a humble baked beans . now, have a humble baked beans. now, how often do you eat baked beans at breakfast? yes. what do you do? open it in, put it a in a in a saucepan and it up. now what i've done is i've actually made copies out of it. oh that's okay. oh, i like the idea that the actual dish that's good. so basically i've done two different dishes, i've done because we have culture people coming to the food bank. so what i've done after the traditional dish over there that a little bit of my fusion and this a because we get all all cultures there so this is sort of like an asian twist on baked bean and is this is this something that you would say it means obviously for

people coming to the food bank but this seems to me to be something that people could you know, you can create good food on a budget this is something that people can learn for more why love the idea of being why i love the idea of being kofta. yeah, is. i mean, the kofta. yeah, it is. i mean, the baked mean, you baked beans you i mean, you wouldn't use the thing . you wouldn't use the thing. you wouldn't use the thing. you wouldn't use the sauce. you literally rinse. you'd have to rinse all sugar. so you think about the nutritional value taking all the sugar. taking out all the sugar. so using the which has got the using the beet which has got the more nutritional the more nutritional value of the whole beans . and it whole baked beans. and it strikes me when i was thinking about this coming onto this the all the best cuisines the all the best cuisines in the world, all most famous french cuisine. what they cuisine. yeah they are what they are they the basis, are because they the basis, the foundation people are having foundation in people are having to take simple , accessible, to take simple, accessible, cheap ingredients and make something wonderful from them . something wonderful from them. that's where you get the best cuisine, isn't it? it's that and that inventiveness idea that we're using. i mean , food was we're using. i mean, food was sort of like people thing the french food, that's where there was beautiful food comes out of french france, i should say. but

you know, it's what you make of the what you make of the ingredients . does it matter ingredients. does it matter whether it be a humble ingredient, a humble, sweet potato? i mean, you could make a beautiful mash out of it. anything humble can make so much things of it as you can see things out of it as you can see to different dishes from, oh , i to different dishes from, oh, i want to take this whole thing , want to take this whole thing, but please do because it's so delicious in the backyard so you can take some simple portant to be reminded though that even in streets and circumstances you can make great food and you know people are , you know, going to people are, you know, going to food but yes i don't suppose our food but yes i don't suppose our food banks are the same , but food banks are the same, but that people can access those ingredients. and with bit of knowhow you can turn out the rest of the people hugely wasteful as well . you know, wasteful as well. you know, people should as a matter of course, be cooking good food and, thinking about waste and the money that they're spending that food. this is so delicious , you know, people should be eating this on a normal yeah

that's why we create this how to cook guys because we know that people go to food banks, they get home, they come out and they see all this, you know variety of foods. and when they come to our feed, they're very incredibly they have our feed, they're very increcvariety, they have our feed, they're very increcvariety, when/ have our feed, they're very increcvariety, when they e our feed, they're very increcvariety, when they get great variety, but when they get home, what do they do with that? what percentage goes into the bin? so we put our thinking caps on the waste having really been able to get the food in the very first place is a struggle run out of time? oh no. thank you both for such an inspirational. thank you very much. thank you, paul thank you very much. thank you, paul. thanks for having us. so from your neil oliver live folks , our panel and robert and the toddlers, be back at 6:00 toddlers, i'll be back at 6:00 next saturday. next up, it's mark dolan tonight. mark, what have you got for us on your show 7 have you got for us on your show ? hi, neal. thanks for a brilliant show. well, we pick up the baton eight with the people's hour in, which i'm taking your video right through until nine. we've got dolans diary , my look back at the diary, my look back at the week's biggest stories and my

take it ten monologue. lots to get through. tomorrow's as well. do email the show mark at gb news. .uk. lots to get through .

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