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fun. is it wrong to ? go on fun. is it wrong to? go on houday fun. is it wrong to? go on holiday without your kids lost to get through . but first the to get through. but first the headune to get through. but first the headline with ray addison . headline with ray addison. thanks, mark. here's the latest from gb newsroom 276 flybe staff been made redundant with the airline into administration for the second time in three years, around 75,000 holiday makers have now had their bookings cancelled. flybe to the skies last april after collapsing in 2020. they are operating flights to 17 destinations as the head of the rmt union says its members will decide by the 8th of february whether to accept the latest and final pay from the latest and final pay from the rail delivery . mick lynch the rail delivery. mick lynch says discussions will be held with members across the country over the next ten days. however he told gb news he does not feel

optimistic. what we've got is a really poor offer. the pay offer is below less than half of the rate inflation over these two years. inflation is running over 20 to 23% in the retail index. this is 9% over two years and we had no offer for three years before that. so this people are getting poorer and the same time their conditions and their working lives have been trampled all over. so i'm quite suspicious about what's going on.andi suspicious about what's going on. and i don't know if our members would be prepared to accept it . graphic bodycam accept it. graphic bodycam footage has been released in the united states showing police in memphis beating a black man who died three days later. now a warning some people may find the following footage distressing . following footage distressing. you already already . following footage distressing. you already already. name the race. 29 year old tyree nichols was kicked, punched and pepper sprayed as he cried out for his

mother . five sprayed as he cried out for his mother. five black sprayed as he cried out for his mother . five black officers have mother. five black officers have been sacked and are now facing murder charges. tennessee state representative g.a. hardaway says we need improved police vetting . these are folks who we vetting. these are folks who we are giving permits at their desks , pressure to take your desks, pressure to take your liberty or your life . we've got liberty or your life. we've got to do a job of deciding who has that authority . and staying in that authority. and staying in the us. and former president trump has relaunched his campaign for re—election in 2024. they said he's not doing rallies. he's not campaigning. maybe he's lost that step. but we are more angry now and i'm more committed now than i ever was. this mr. trump there speaking at a republican event in new hampshire in his first campaign speech . several party

campaign speech. several party members deciding not to attend or claiming to have scheduling conflicts. mr. next stop will be in south carolina, which is also seen as a kingmaker. in south carolina, which is also seen as a kingmaker . state seen as a kingmaker. state tributes have been paid to claire drake, the wife of welsh first minister mark drakeford , first minister mark drakeford, who died suddenly this afternoon . prime minister is among to pass on his heartfelt condolences is to mr. drakeford and family. the labour leader, sir keir starmer and the prince and princess of wales said they too were sending their thoughts and prayers during this difficult time . on tv online and difficult time. on tv online and on dab+ radio . this is gb news. on dab+ radio. this is gb news. back now to mark dolan tonight. nice to have ray addison back. he returns in an hour's time.

welcome to mark dolan tonight. welcome to mark dolan tonight. we start this evening with the people's hour in which i'll be taking your video on the biggest stories the day. tonight, the stars . the show are robin ince stars. the show are robin ince and auburn's adic in kent. susan carmarthenshire long days in windsor , fergus in greenwich and windsor, fergus in greenwich and last but not least, she hasn't lost her marbles and mikayla in elgin. now lots from them . over elgin. now lots from them. over the course of the next hour, the topics we will be debating can the tories save the economy? is gambling overly criticised ? the gambling overly criticised? the police still keeping us safe and for a bit of fun . is it wrong to for a bit of fun. is it wrong to go on holiday without your kids? my go on holiday without your kids? my saturday sidekick for the first hour of the show, the international security expert will geddes can't for his contribution . i'll be honest, i contribution. i'll be honest, i feel safer just having contribution. i'll be honest, i feel saferjust having him sat here next to me . also tonight,

here next to me. also tonight, in the big question of nine, should smacking your child be a criminal across the whole of the uk, we hear from both sides on that one. we're heading hollywood, california to get the views of the queen of us showbiz royal political reporting kinsey schofield is prince andrew making comeback? is there a return potentially to public life for the duke of york ? plus, life for the duke of york? plus, more sunday papers from 1020. that's 10 minutes earlier than everyone else tonight in the company . the brilliant political company. the brilliant political editor of the sunday mirror, nigel nelson. so this is mark dolan tonight. it's saturday, so why not put something cold and fizzy in the fridge or fire up the kettle and let's make a night it . the kettle and let's make a night it. let's kick the kettle and let's make a night it . let's kick off with night it. let's kick off with a warm hello to security expert will geddes. hi, will. how are you? hello, mark. i'm really

well. thank you very much for the invite tonight. you're looking very chic. that the invite tonight. you're looking very chic . that does looking very chic. that does not looking very chic. that does not look like a machine washable jacket, though machine washable could be a little reckless . you could be a little reckless. you know, like my risks, but, you know, i like my risks, but, you know, i like my risks, but, you know, have to measure them. know, you have to measure them. mark well, mark yeah, that's right. well, let's risk because let's talk about risk because the likes of icis have been mercifully quiet at least in this country. but the threat hasn't gone away. no, unfortunately not. and this is one of the challenges for the security services. the police, they they constantly have to remind the general public to be vigilant, because when in vigilant, because when bear in mind, public's mind, general public's contribution in terms of witnessing or , observing or witnessing or, observing or seeing any kind of suspicious activity and reporting it through to the counter—terrorism hotline is actually very important. but at the same time, there's got to be a balance not to terrify everybody and, to use those threat levels of which we are at substantial, which is just basic level moment. it means the threat is likely , it's means the threat is likely, it's not imminent in an effective and useful way. if it stays at the

same level for too long and it doesn't adjust, then it can lose its power. why have the terrorists been mercifully quiet in the last few months? is it the lockdown? is it the pandemic? what's happened? do think or is it is it better counter—terrorist ? i think it's counter—terrorist? i think it's actually the latter , mark, to be actually the latter, mark, to be honest. i think, you know, certainly colleagues and certainly from colleagues and contacts they've doing contacts of they've been doing an amazing job of intercepting at a very, very early some of the threats or plots the possible threats or plots that are being sort of formulaic to it. and inevitably, there are going to be plots that are foiled that don't come to public eye public and you eye and, public notice. and you won't in the newspaper. but won't see in the newspaper. but so those guys are working so i know those guys are working incredibly the incredibly hard behind the scenes threat . and scenes. it means the threat. and beanng scenes. it means the threat. and bearing in mind it's not just islamic extremism , isn't just islamic extremism, isn't just isis or al—qaeda, there is far right extremism. and we've seen quite a bit of that, certainly in continental europe of late. and they'll be keeping you busy, sadly, years to come . sadly, for many years to come. we're keep you busy we're going to keep you busy tonight i want your tonight because i want your opinions across a of big topics

of day. and let's, of the day. and let's, of course, with our first course, kick off with our first topic. this is all about the topic. and this is all about the economy. now the chancellor of the exchequer, jeremy hunt, made his first big speech of 2023 yesterday, and he laid the roadmap he believes will to a booming economy . we won't hold booming economy. we won't hold our breath , believes the uk can our breath, believes the uk can capitalise on what he describes as brexit freedoms. en route to economic growth and he has vowed once again to cut inflation, describing it as the best tax cuts at the moment . tory describing it as the best tax cuts at the moment. tory mp broadly welcomed the plan , but broadly welcomed the plan, but some business leaders have said it was lacking in detail. so can the tories shore up our economy and bounce back and potentially win the next election? let's speak to fergus who is in greenwich. hello fergus. i know there, mark, lovely to be on here again . great to have you here again. great to have you back on the programme . is jeremy back on the programme. is jeremy hunt a good chancellor as it's a joke or a great joker in batman?

i don't know he he smiles a lot doesn't he. some of this stuff is really good but doing the stories is like the three yeses. it's a bit cold near the forest and i was thinking because i've been thinking about this all day . well, we all do all the time in the economy , like businesses in the economy, like businesses create the economy . governments create the economy. governments either helped it or resisted . either helped it or resisted. and stage one. yes he can help his government. yes he can help the country or you can damage you. and like some of the points he may like is for enterprise, education, employer everywhere. wonderful titles. what does that really mean ? i would say really really mean? i would say really fast broadband , renewables fast broadband, renewables faster. but hang on. the renewables is a bit wishy washy. electric cars are not all that wonderful and there's lots of coal does lots oil there's lots of gas we're using because of

the c02 of gas we're using because of the co2 zero thing which i know. but it's just damaging the world at the moment and the cost can but the other thing mark is the getting the people in their fifties back to work . i know fifties back to work. i know several people in their fifties some of whom have left work some have gone back to work . but i have gone back to work. but i was talking to several of them andifs was talking to several of them and it's like, well, why would i not work so many years? and these young people in the office treat me like rubbish . i'm 53, treat me like rubbish. i'm 53, 54. but being q being here fabulous, they everything work. you go and bianca you speak to an old person . how can i buy an old person. how can i buy this widget screwdriver, this screw ? well, you want that one. screw? well, you want that one. you don't that one. you want this one. but getting people in their fifties back into an office , the people in their office, the people in their twenties ignored, them, oh, it's an old person. it's an old person. we don't to work person. we don't want to work with the older people with them. and the older people

got so much value in the economy, but you've got to persuade come and persuade them to come back. and it be brilliant if you it would be brilliant if you could huge tax reliefs , could like huge tax reliefs, otherwise why would they bother to there? think to come back there? so i think i think you're right. to think you're right. got to incentivise and perhaps change the work culture and attitudes towards the over fifties in the workplace. i tend agree with you on that one, fergus. let's bring will in on this. will what, do you think about jeremy hunt, do you think about jeremy hunt, do you think about jeremy hunt, do you think he has settled the nerves of the international bond 7 nerves of the international bond ? what's your appraisal of his short tenure at 11? well my feeling, particularly on jeremy hunt, is, again, his typical of political rhetoric . it doesn't political rhetoric. it doesn't have any particular substance . have any particular substance. it's not broken down into anything granular. it's not broken down into anything granular . and i think anything granular. and i think really the general public and the voting electorate you like are kind of sick to death of the fact that they haven't actually in being given any kind of tangible action plan or strategy. i mean it's the same way as if i walked to in resolve

a problem for a client and i said, don't worry, we'll just get they're going to get it fixed. they're going to want going to be want to know is going to be fixed in a granular way in each step along the path. and i think come out with these lovely, catchy terms. and certainly your other was saying, you other guest was saying, you know, everywhere, know, everything, everywhere, all at i think that's up all at once. i think that's up for an oscar anyway. it doesn't really tell us deal really tell us a great deal about actually how it's going to be implemented . so, you know, my be implemented. so, you know, my concerns are come forward with definitive action plans, measure ring points and really look exactly where it's going to be going and within what. and i think that's the other thing. again it's always a case of each government when they come in, they're adopting or blaming the previous government for basically the that have been put in place. so you know, take some ownership, take some response ability and show why you should be voted in again at the next general election. fergus will there. let's speak to lord knows now lars is in windsor and lars,

to coin a phrase in relation to the us is it the economy stupid is that what will decide the outcome of the next election . i outcome of the next election. i think that would be one thing. the other thing will be how we deal with the cost of living, how we deal with the energy crisis, small business, i believe, you know, small business are the backbone of the economy in reality and the previous chancellor and the current chancellor haven't been that favourable . on the tax that favourable. on the tax incentives for small businesses. bearin incentives for small businesses. bear in mind the small businesses and business owners a lot of risk and they're not getting much of the benefit, what with the corporation tax going up to 25. i agree we will. basically the chancellor's created a destination with our journey . however it's sorry to journey. however it's sorry to interrupt you, lars. if it halves inflation and that will go a long way to restore economic confidence, won't it ? economic confidence, won't it? it will, but you can't you can't

expect you can't use inflation. say that's a tax cut because . say that's a tax cut because. all you're doing is reducing the increases in the costs to the to the to the to the people. it's not a tax cuts. in reality , you not a tax cuts. in reality, you know, if they could cut like corporation tax slightly , that corporation tax slightly, that would be a tax cut. and if you if you if you cut corporation tax for then they you're giving them more money to invest, tax for then they you're giving them more money to invest , to be them more money to invest, to be able to employ more people that in reality are going to pay more tax via the pay and their national insurance . okay, let's national insurance. okay, let's circle let's let's let's let's lars in the picture. let's bring and fergus back into conversation as well. if we can but we'll just briefly on the politics of this i mean you mentioned these of glib slogans that that jeremy hunt is clearly a of he's a good communicator a political operator but if the

tories get the election right would you share my that actually shares in rishi sunak are currently a little low and shares in keir starmer are a little high . i don't know little high. i don't know necessarily. i mean i think certainly the shares in rishi sunak may be low or valued as low right down because i think he really demonstrated what we hoped either being an economist , someone who is worked the financial sectors and under stands the mechanics of the economy. i think he's got to come forward with more definitive plans. i think his envoy in jeremy hunt isn't a fantastic , reassuring one. fantastic, reassuring one. i agree with many of the points that lars was making. corporations tax is crippling for many, many companies. and again, it's not helping them to reinvigorate the workforce or increase their by taking future employees on so i think, rishi, again, you know i don't want to repeat everything that i was just saying a little earlier, but i think, you know, it is

about saying what are we actually going to do and how are we going to do rather than we going to do it rather than these fantastic end results which us are think, feel which none of us are think, feel confident, will actually be achieved fergus, briefly, achieved okay? fergus, briefly, if you can. know about if you can. we know about inflation. the target is to halve it. this year. what about taxes ? should they come down? taxes? should they come down? yeah, they definitely . because yeah, they definitely. because i to peter just yeah, they definitely. because i to peterjust said will a loss if incentivise people to do if you don't they won't . it's that you don't they won't. it's that simple who was it was it alexander pope or someone like that said man is seldom so gainfully employed as well in the pursuit of money basically sounds horrible but it's true if you get a gain from something you get a gain from something you will do it. if you don't, why would you? amen to that . why would you? amen to that. words of wisdom. fergus fitzjohn . plenty more to come tonight . . plenty more to come tonight. the people's hour, including all the police still keeping britain safe. and is it wrong to go on houday safe. and is it wrong to go on holiday without kids. have you

done it? did you bad or did you have time of your life? but next on, the people's hour is gambling overly criticised. see? surely .

welcome back to the people's hour with . me, mark dolan, hour with. me, mark dolan, dolans diary and my take it ten still to come. plus tomorrow's and my all star. but let's crack on now our next debate in the company . my saturday sidekick , company. my saturday sidekick, security expert, broadcaster , security expert, broadcaster, presenter, will geddes. now, according to a report in the daily , the bbc are thinking of daily, the bbc are thinking of dropping the horse racing tips from the today show on radio . from the today show on radio. the have been part of the much loved programme for 46 years and losing them would spark protest votes. but is the move part a part of a society wide

disillusion romance with any kind of gambling that justified. the suffering by gambling addiction cannot be denied and must be tackled, of course. but is there much wrong with non addicts sticking a fiver on grand national or a quid on the lottery? actually, i think it's to quit now let's head to st albans and ask robin what he thinks . robin albans and ask robin what he thinks. robin hi . good albans and ask robin what he thinks . robin hi . good evening, thinks. robin hi. good evening, mark. good to see you. to see you, robin. now i'll be a like alcohol. are we tarring with the same brush? most people can have a pint or two and have a happy life. then you have. do we have same judgement about gambling ? i same judgement about gambling? i we do, yes. and you're absolutely right. i think that it's freedom of choice. we should be given the choice to gamble . should be given the choice to gamble. having said should be given the choice to gamble . having said that, should be given the choice to gamble. having said that, in my early life, two of my early jobs, one, i worked a roulette dealer in a casino and i also worked in a bookies as a

settler. so i've seen i've seen i've seen people come in and lose everything . i've seen, you lose everything. i've seen, you know, real desperation . know, real desperation. certainly when i was at the bookies , it happened to be a in bookies, it happened to be a in a car plant . and on a thursday a car plant. and on a thursday the workers would come in with their wages and they would lose them . they'd lose their week's them. they'd lose their week's wages and the guys behind the counter protected by wire fences , where i was actually out on the floor writing out the odds on the boards. but you know, it was it was desperate. and the truth is, you know the casinos , truth is, you know the casinos, they win. all right. you're not you're not going to win . you you're not going to win. you might have a an evening where if you can afford to , you know, if you can afford to, you know, if i go and do it, i say i'll risk £100, maybe on blackjack if i, i stop if i lose it i go, okay, well, i've had thousand an timeand i'm to do that, but many

people are able to do that. and thatis people are able to do that. and that is one of the big issues is that is one of the big issues is that the desperation of people chase you scratch cards because they think they're going to win enough money to put food on their on their tables at weekends. so during the week. so it's a it's a difficult, difficult industry indeed. so and doubt there are tragic cases . i wonder whether in a lot of these people would get in trouble anyway they because if they weren't at the bookmakers they'd be online possibly using an app on their phone or in a casino. what about those that switch on the today programme on radio four and enjoy their racing tips? they look at the form , they look at the history form, they look at the history of the race, history of the jockey and, the horse, or even they choose their favourite colour and just put three quid on something. once week. harmless fun, surely oh no. absolutely and i think that

would be a nonsense to. get rid of that. i mean, i like to go horse racing every now and again and again. it comes back down. i get a few tips. you know i have a friend who supposedly , you a friend who supposedly, you know, has the knowledge and sometimes we win. sometimes we lose. i don't believe you can stop people gambling if they want to because they'll do it illegally . play poker as say illegally. play poker as say they'll go to casinos that go onune they'll go to casinos that go online they'll bet on you know, to flies on a window screen so people always always risk their money because at the end of the day you get great buzz from it. i mean , you know, when you're in i mean, you know, when you're in a casino and playing and, you know, you're winning one or two hands and the money's coming back your way. it's a good it's a great buzz. i understand. 100% why people do it. i think the industry, though, needs to probably invest more money in, the rehab side of it and help people who are addicted because for the people who are addicted , it's pretty awful. but for the rest of us who just want to put

a toll on rest of us who just want to put a toll o n £5, as you say, on the a toll on £5, as you say, on the grand national and bet on 100 to 1 outsider. and, you know , 1 outsider. and, you know, hopefully or if we don't hopefully win or if we don't win, we don't really care because it only a fiver indeed so and my brilliant producer mark has already worked out a couple of websites and numbers where people can get help will read those in just a moment. let's speak to will geddes about this, because will, the bbc's brilliant racing correspondent, cornelius lycett has been quoted as saying that this is another kick in the teeth to the racing and racing , a great british and racing, a great british tradition , a wonderful sport, tradition, a wonderful sport, and a fabulous occasion . yeah, i and a fabulous occasion. yeah, i mean, i'm not sure how much more i add to what both yourself and robyn said. so, you know, gambling has been around since, you year one how will you know, year one how will yeah. zero you want and yeah. zero if you want and people will it some people people will do it some people are know a bias and they are you know a bias and they find it an enjoyable hobby and inevitably are those that

inevitably there are those that unfortunately fall down the rabbit hole up as rabbit hole and end up as addicts to it i think terms addicts to it i think in terms of taking away this tip section on the today programme does make any difference. i think it's unnecessary. i mean when you look a lot of the advertisements which run tv not just on and cable. yeah there's a lot for various online betting companies which to be honest there are apps you can put onto your phone.the apps you can put onto your phone. the tip section , the phone. the tip section, the today programme, is that really going to make any more difference? no think we need to look at the advertising. and i think the point that robin made, which i think was particularly valid as we go into this valid is that as we go into this cost crisis, people cost of living crisis, people are going to take that gamble . are going to take that gamble. it be with a scratch card , the it be with a scratch card, the lottery or walking into a casino and putting their life savings on black or red, whatever it might be to see if they improve their own personal position . their own personal position. thatis their own personal position. that is something that i do worry about, especially for those that are addicted , that those that are addicted, that speak in kent, another speak to adic in kent, another good friend , the show and one of

good friend, the show and one of the many stars here in the people's hour addict. let me ask you if the bbc are they've not confirmed this yet, but if they rid of the racing tips only programme are they of finger wagging and moralising this the nanny state in overdrive hello mark thank you for inviting me again you'll be surprised i quite what the bbc does . i quite what the bbc does. i cannot believe i'm saying that i want to just expand what robin and will said. we need to realise what actually gambling is and actually it's time a bit to watch your monologue yesterday about drugs, gambling is addictive. it's the same neurotransmitters dopamine, serotonin that you cannot get and that's what you continue in the uk it's about a third of a million people are addicted and these people are affecting each

one of them affect and at the six people from the family from the surroundings which mean 2 million people in the uk are affected directly because of gambling problem. i very surprised looking at statistics . that 44% are gambling including i do feel a lottery ticket . and the gamble lost is ticket. and the gamble lost is £14 billion a year. what is intra thing from the age to gambling a capital report . gambling a capital report. britain is the most gambling nafion britain is the most gambling nation on earth. this is i could not believe what i just read in in the report last year up to actually up to 2021 the uk onune actually up to 2021 the uk online gambling . generated $10.3 online gambling. generated $10.3 billion. the uk has 67 million popular auction. you'll be

surprised to hear that the united states which has 337 million population in the same onune million population in the same online gambling, is only 9.1 billion. we have a problem and because of that reason i everyone has its own decision i think fair enough but we have a think fair enough but we have a think specific problem in this country that needs addressing much more than we thought. so in the beginning. so i repeat again, i apologise, but i supported the bbc in the decision . when you read to say decision. when you read to say need to have more guidelines about protecting the population or as i would say may be creating a different cultural gambling of gambling support, communal projects , maybe communal projects, maybe interpret there is project you want to gamble who will be so the money will come back to the community rather to the pocket

of people who are ripping off and. just to another point, you'll probably be aware that the betting are 1010 times higher in the impoverished areas of the uk than the posh areas. so as a robin, many and the people who have enough money who have affected by the costs of living crisis will undoubtedly try to have more money to put more food on the table . and they more food on the table. and they will gamble the little what they have and the hands because this so many opportunities on that area they live ten times higher than than the posh areas . no than than the posh areas. no doubt the more tempting and that's dangerous and disappointing and hence an action i feel need to be made . action i feel need to be made. well i think you've made some really important points you've the debate and you never have to apologise for disagreeing with me because this programme is all about opinions. so do keep them coming and let's let's bring

will into this and also can we get to can we please get our also lovely splendid other caller robin into the picture as well. i want to bring back robin, kate and also let's say let's have all my friends back this now a suggestion that will from that we should actually down on gambling not just get rid of the racing tips on radio four but possibly legislation to get people out of the habit of gambling. well i think it's going to be incredibly difficult to do that. an addict made some very good points. and i don't want to diminish from those valuable points that he made, but statistically on but certainly statistically on many different countries around the world and involved in gambling , the world and involved in gambling, using the world and involved in gambling , using america at the gambling, using america at the moment, it's still early days because think recently have they enabled obviously online banking which was massive issue in the united states which they didn't want to be afforded to the of the united states even though

there were some that got round it but i think we will see that growing i we all agree this is a significant problem and it has to be controlled some ways. i think one of my concerns is, just the visibility , not so much just the visibility, not so much on the today programme , i think on the today programme, i think in advertisements and these are broadcast and i think sometimes first thing in the morning you'll see these kind of broadcasts of advertisements for onune broadcasts of advertisements for online banking. i wouldn't mention any specific names, but that's around the same time that a lot of parents are getting their kids ready for school. and it's a times where kids are more likely to see them. so these need be after the watershed need to be after the watershed when you're limiting demographic. but the fundamental problem can we stop it can we reduce there will always be those that are going to go out and find it in some shape or form. tell me this, ruby. what is your your view, your judgement, your verdict on quite wealthy ex managers and hollywood even doing for gambling companies companies ?

gambling companies companies? yeah, i mean obviously if you're going to promote if you're going to promote gambling on television using , celebrities, television using, celebrities, it's going to sell celebrities. so the point i wanted to make was what i learned from when i was what i learned from when i was working a roulette dealer is that people do not what they're doing . so most people go to doing. so most people go to casino and they really do understand and they are going to lose . and i wondered if there lose. and i wondered if there was some kind of weird form of education where people could be taught to. you're still to lose, right? because it's in favour of the casino, but maybe you might get a bit more enjoyment out it and not lose as much, but form of education would be really , of education would be really, really important and excellent idea. robin magic and well, a fascinating debate that's if your gambling is causing problems for you or your loved ones and you'd like to stop then support treatment is readily

available . i always say this on available. i always say this on the programme if you've got a problem , reach out because help problem, reach out because help is always there specifically when comes to gambling game care is gam k hourigan care offer free information and support and counselling for people have problems with gambling in the uk it runs the national gambling and also offers to face counselling. the helpline is free and open 24 hours a day, seven days a week. you can call it on 808 ato 21 33088 820 133. thatis it on 808 ato 21 33088 820 133. that is gam care or the national helpline still to come dolans diary at nine when i take a look back my highlights from the last days we've got my at ten as well a strong monologue i'm not pulling my punches plus my all star panel and tomorrow's papers coming up later in the people's

hounls coming up later in the people's hour. is it wrong to go on houday hour. is it wrong to go on holiday without your kids? have you done it ? holiday without your kids? have you done it? did you have a brilliant time? but next, are the police still us safe? see? surely .

welcome back to the people's hour. forget. we'll be going straight to california and the queen of us showbiz, royal and political reporting , kinsey political reporting, kinsey schofield , with all the latest schofield, with all the latest on prince andrew. is he plotting a comeback? plus, we got dolans star. we might look back at the week's big stories and might take it ten. monologue as well. i'll be reacting to the actor alan cumming handing back obe. but let's crack on now with the people's hour in which i take your video calls and british police are failing because they have forgotten why they exist. not my words, but those the

highly respected journalist moore in the telegraph week. more argues that faith in the police has dropped rapidly of late. citing the fact that many women now find it hard to trust them following the horrific crimes of wayne couzens and david carrick , he also claims david carrick, he also claims that some staff networks within the police are more concerned . the police are more concerned. what he describes, as i politics than the general well—being of the public. we know what he's talking about. woke well, he's far the only person raising such concerns. so it's fair to say many have lost trust in the police. so are they still keeping us safe ? let's speak to keeping us safe? let's speak to mikayla in elgin. hi, mikayla . mikayla in elgin. hi, mikayla. hello. mark, thank you for inviting me back . i think that inviting me back. i think that know out of 30,000 metric to police . you know, there are

police. you know, there are always bad eggs. if there were 30,000 of the public that you just rounded up, you'd always get bad eggs . you know, did we get bad eggs. you know, did we say when harold shipman a doctor did what he did. say when harold shipman a doctor did what he did . oh, oh, we did what he did. oh, oh, we can't go to the doctors anymore or it's not safe . or when or it's not safe. or when doctors also some of them touch people up. we say, oh, we're all in a panic we're not going to go to doctors. so why do we do it for police? you know, i think it's the police. do a very hard . job fo r £21,000 a year. of . job for £21,000 a year. of london. that's they get paid. they're expecting it. if you sort of think all the things they do , not just car accident , they do, not just car accident, but, you know, terrorist domestic sexual offences , the domestic sexual offences, the list goes on and on, on. during

the strikes , they've had to just the strikes, they've had to just step up to the plate and take the helm. and the biggest issue they have is mental. people end up on the street. they don't call the social. they call an ambulance . sometimes ambulance ambulance. sometimes ambulance take hours . who do they call? take hours. who do they call? the police . you know, if you the police. you know, if you think police are doing so . and think police are doing so. and are they ever going to meet everybody's expectations? i don't think so. i think really they need their priority lives just like everybody else . they just like everybody else. they prioritise it bit. 20,000 car. car crash with 20 cars piled up and bodies . how can they and bodies. how can they somebody out to a burglary say they don't have internet resources yet? public is that why haven't they come to my burglary ? you know, there will burglary? you know, there will come but it it not you know it's

just not a priority right now. you've seen on the television these calling programmes where they show you the calls queuing up for policemen to come out and ambulances to come out. it's incredible . you know, i do that. incredible. you know, i do that. we don't really have enough press for what the police . you press for what the police. you don't hear when they decide people with guns or. don't hear when they decide people with guns or . you know, i people with guns or. you know, i think it's just, oh, there's this terrible person who's done this? and, oh, we can't be safe when we don't really we don't say for plumbing , you know, say for plumbing, you know, someone has a bad job and oh, we can't trust plumbers anymore . can't trust plumbers anymore. and we've all had that . surely and we've all had that. surely you . you know, i think it's you. you know, i think it's exactly what you were talking about earlier , gambling, about earlier, gambling, tarnishing people with the brush . one good police officers to live in the shadow of this .

live in the shadow of this. doctors don't have to live in the of dr. shipman . you know the of dr. shipman. you know they don't have to feel bad . they don't have to feel bad. yeah, but oh, all officers are feeling bad . they are place good feeling bad. they are place good police officers think it's abhorrent . okay, well well, it's abhorrent. okay, well well, it's interesting what you've said. you've spoken from the heart there, mikayla will geddes is mikayla that a rotten apple does not make a rotten barrel? she absolutely right. i've got friends who are in the unit that these two recent perpetrators as these two recent perpetrators as these two recent perpetrators as these two individuals that were responsible for an alleged four of these horrific crimes and they have thousands and thousands and thousands of officers that go through and these are the two now inevitably , rowley is doing a great job of trying to weed out the others that shouldn't be in the job and inevitably in any profession you're going to get a few wrong ends. but there are three things that i think we've got to think

about. there is the police themselves . there's the crown themselves. there's the crown prosecution can prosecution service, which can quite be the group that quite often be the group that actually the police get the responsibility for, because they're the ones that decide whether something should be prosecuted be taken prosecuted and should be taken to courts. and the third part is the guidelines . and the sentencing guidelines. and again, can often be again, the police can often be attributed the blame and responsibility that certain criminals will get out with . criminals will get outwith. very minor custodial sentences or they'll be probationary sentences. you know, i think police have been also the victim , the same regard as to this sort of prism of attention and focus that has also been drawn from social media, where it will highlight certain sort of failings on their part by certain officers and by the media as well, where it will blow it. certainly into the sightline of most of the general public. i think it's a question of perspective, having been lost. but overall , this is the lost. but overall, this is the point mikael made, which i think is valid is the is incredibly valid is the limited resource. theresa may is

still responsible for chopping . still responsible for chopping. 20,000 police officers. and as result, the catch up is not as simple as let's get the grow back out. let's get a bunch of new police officers and they're up and operational within six months. it can take an awfully long time to get them to try and get them get them get them ready, get them actually and get them actually on the and get them experienced. absolutely. you must never cut corners with crime . and i do think that our crime. and i do think that our safety was one of the casualties of austerity going back to 2010. let's speak to susan and cameron . hi, susan. great to have you on show. we wanted to connect with you a couple of weeks and we have finally achieved our goal we have finally achieved our goal. do you feel protected by the british police ? i'm if you'd the british police? i'm if you'd have asked me that a few years ago, i would have said a definite yes. but to be quite honest with mark i can't remember the last time i saw policeman. i'll say the police car if i'm going into town. but i've never to connect with the.

and i certainly don't see any where i live . and i think that where i live. and i think that could be a problem. well, i don't feel safe is because we don't feel safe is because we don't see them anymore . i can go don't see them anymore. i can go back to my younger days and we had a baby on beach and we had the community police and the community place. they knew everyone. everyone the community and the bobbies . and if little and the bobbies. and if little was a naughty boy, the policeman go knocking on the door and telling her parents. and then he gets the kid from his tots and that was the way it was . and i that was the way it was. and i think . to that was the way it was. and i think. to occasions that was the way it was. and i think . to occasions when that was the way it was. and i think. to occasions when i was and the police made me feel really safe and the one was i was always seeing my boyfriend at the time . and local bobby at the time. and local bobby came up. so me and he waited with me till my boyfriend turned to make sure i was safe . another

to make sure i was safe. another occasion when i was in early twenties, i'd just come the local police station because we had those in those days and somebody went into the back of my car. policeman was there. he was patrolling the high street. he came over , sorted things out he came over, sorted things out . i went off home to and lighter it came knocking on the door to make sure everything had gone smoothly, to sort the accident out with the insurance you would neven out with the insurance you would never, ever in a million years get that happen to die. and i think that's a shame, really, because that's what made us feel safe , was seeing the policeman safe, was seeing the policeman there the policeman in uniform just walking along the streets hello or we knew where the little police stations were if you needed to go there and kind of come to die with. we've had those two horrific cases . but those two horrific cases. but just to throw stats in. last

yeanin just to throw stats in. last year, in 2010, two, we had a 164,000 police officers officers. in 2020. so there were nine, say complaints made about police and placed half out of those nine say there was 60 found guilty and convicted and it was sexual assault , violence it was sexual assault, violence and. if you take six out of 164,000, those your bad apples, they're very, very rare. i think i think i think that is a fair point . susan, i think i think that is a fair point. susan, amazing comments. it was worth the wait. i do hope join us again very soon on the people's my deep thanks as to michela and of course will geddes who's back just a moment. lots more to come in the program, including my diary of the week at 9:00 and my take at ten monologue. plus, tomorrow's

papers. but next is wrong to go on holiday without your kids . on holiday without your kids. see you shortly .

later welcome back to the people's hour with me, mark dolan . one final topic to get dolan. one final topic to get through this is a quick question for you. you're in lanzarote cocktail beaches, a bit of light shopping, maybe and perhaps best of all, no kids. to many of us parents, that sounds like mission impossible. but two mothers with seven children between the media happened this week. the only negative was that a nine hour a day trip was all they managed before. it was . they managed before. it was. time to head home. but it begs the question, is it okay to go on holiday with your kids? all holidays more enjoyable without the kids ? robyn, i can only the kids? robyn, i can only imagine that your children are absolutely delightful . i i

absolutely delightful. i i couldn't think of anything better than being away without them. either of them, to be honest with you. even though not grown up, i think would say as well if i could have done. yeah. you save fortune, right? not to take the kids , but you . you save take the kids, but you. you save a fortune. but on a serious note, i love two ladies. what a great thing to do. i'm assuming the kids were well looked after while they were away . my only my while they were away. my only my only criticism be they could have probably gone somewhere a little closer than and spent less time the air and more time having few cocktails. but hey , having few cocktails. but hey, know what? fantastic. i love that. fantastic mikayla, have you got kids ? but i do think you got kids? but i do think that parents or parents should be allowed a break because . they be allowed a break because. they have the whole world on their shoulders and do everything so

the kids they provide do their washing quite the bums all use stuff when they're little , you stuff when they're little, you know, they give everything for that most parents anyway give everything for their children. absolutely they should have a break provided the kids looked after are old enough to fend for themselves . you are a font of themselves. you are a font of wisdom, fergus the clock's against us child free holiday. you're going to get some on you. well, yeah, but i have to tell a quick story. my brother and i looked after by friends when i was little. my parents went away. one year later, nine months later, we had a little sister. oh, well , there you go. sister. oh, well, there you go. that's what happens when mum. dad are on their own. who's we go to next? mark i think . what go to next? mark i think. what do you think about a child free holiday? go for them. i'm so surprised. it's 9 hours. i would have taken one month without . have taken one month without. yeah. have you got kids? another time. aware of ? no. well, time. aware of? no. well, listen. look at your handsome devil. i'd imagine there's a

letter somewhere laws . where i. letter somewhere laws. where i. itake letter somewhere laws. where i. i take kids with me, but they're not like my kids. oh, i know. i spoke to my daughter early and asked this question and she said it's never happening i know that on that rather heartwarming note what a charm susan last but not least, my darling, have you got kids? i hope you do, because then they'll as gorgeous as you are . oh, thank you. my kids have are. oh, thank you. my kids have got four legs, and i do take them on holiday with me . but i them on holiday with me. but i look at it from , the kids point look at it from, the kids point of view, my mother , father never of view, my mother, father never not took us on holiday. we were always up to go. i would have loved it for them to go. left me at home with my grandpa and swear i would have been pampered . that's exactly my kids . that's exactly what my kids think as well. they can't bear going with now, listen going away with us. now, listen thank you. amazing calls tonight .thank thank you. amazing calls tonight . thank you to my brilliant viewers for that contribution will me what a star. he'll

will get me what a star. he'll be back soon. absolutely dream saturday sidekick . next up is saturday sidekick. next up is dolan's diary. my saturday sidekick. next up is dolan's diary . my look back of dolan's diary. my look back of the week. you won't to miss it .

it's 9:00 and this is mark dolan tonight coming up. dolan's diary in which i look back at the week's news followed by full panel reaction . the big question panel reaction. the big question should smacking your child be a criminal offence across the whole of the uk and in the news agenda with panel is it wrong to hold a grudges against public figures . hold a grudges against public figures. this after matt hold a grudges against public figures . this after matt hancock figures. this after matt hancock was attacked on a train earlier this week. also is it ever too late to fall in love and can you ever shake off a bad nickname ? ever shake off a bad nickname? what was your nickname growing

up or indeed into adulthood? market gb news uk after ten and will cross live to la. to the queen of us showbiz, royal and political kinsey schofield for this week's latest across pond a busy 2 hours to come including my take at ten monologue the actor alan cumming has handed back his obe because britain's colonial past. my reaction at ten i'm not pulling my punches so much to get through dowland's diary next. but first, the headunes diary next. but first, the headlines with radisson . thanks, headlines with radisson. thanks, mark is the latest from the gb newsroom 276 flybe staff have been made redundant with the airline into administration for second time in three years around . 75,000 holidaymakers around. 75,000 holidaymakers have now had their bookings. flybe returned the skies last april after collapsing in 2020. they were operating to 17.

destination routes . the general destination routes. the general secretary of the rmt union says its members will decide by the 8th of february whether to accept the latest final pay offer from the rail delivery group . mick lynch says group. mick lynch says discussions will be held with members across the country the next ten days, but he told us he doesn't feel optimistic. what we've got is a really poor offer . the pay offer is below less than half of the rate inflation over these two years. inflation is running 20 to 23% in the retail price index. this is 9% over two years and we had no offer for three years before that. so people are getting poorer and at the same time, their conditions and their working lives have been trampled oven working lives have been trampled over. so i'm quite suspicious about what's going on. and i don't know if our members would be prepared, accept it . graphic be prepared, accept it. graphic bodycam footage has been

released in the united showing police in memphis beating a black man who died three days later, a warning some people may find the following footage distressing. you rate my . dna is distressing. you rate my. dna is 29 year old tyree nichols was kicked punched and pepper sprayed as . kicked punched and pepper sprayed as. he cried out for his mother . five sprayed as. he cried out for his mother. five black sprayed as. he cried out for his mother . five black officers have mother. five black officers have been sacked and are now facing murder charges . tennessee state murder charges. tennessee state representative g.a. hardaway says we need improved police vetting . these are folks who we vetting. these are folks who we are giving permission at their discretion to take your liberty or your life. we've got do a better job of deciding has that up authority. staying in the us. and former president donald trump has relaunched launched

his campaign for re—election in 2024. they said not doing rallies he's , not campaigning. rallies he's, not campaigning. maybe lost that step but we are more angry now and i'm more committed now than i ever was. this president trump there speaking at a republican event in new hampshire. his first campaign speech , several party campaign speech, several party members decided to attend. all claiming to have scheduling conflicts. mr. trump's next stop will be south , which is seen as will be south, which is seen as kingmaker state. we're on tv and on the ap plus radio is gb news back now to mark dolan tonight . back now to mark dolan tonight. our very trusted voice of news. ray addison is back an hour's time. welcome to . in just a time. welcome to. in just a moment , it's time. welcome to. in just a moment, it's dolan's diary in which i look back at the week's

news followed full panel reaction . in the big question reaction. in the big question should smacking your child be a criminal offence ? the whole of criminal offence? the whole of the uk . and after ten we'll the uk. and after ten we'll cross live to la. to . the queen cross live to la. to. the queen of us show biz royal political reporting, kinsey schofield . for reporting, kinsey schofield. for this week's latest across the pond and the news agenda, is it wrong to hold grudges against pubuc wrong to hold grudges against public figures ? is it ever too public figures? is it ever too late to fall in? and can you ever shake off a bad nickname ? ever shake off a bad nickname? also in, my take ten monologue. i'll be dealing with the actor alan cumming, who has handed back his obe because of britain's colonial past. however, he received the obe 14 years ago. why has it taken him this long? i'll be dealing with alan cumming at 11 with me throughout the show, reacting to the big stories of the day. my amazing panel of broadcaster and entrepot ashlin horgan—wallace that she is . is that a makeover

that she is. is that a makeover 7 that she is. is that a makeover ? you know what? she got rid of the. and i think it suits. there she is. that's ashley . and then she is. that's ashley. and then her stunt double. let's go to toby sandu , who is hell? we're toby sandu, who is hell? we're going to get in tonight. are wait. who stays ? it's like that wait. who stays? it's like that game. guess who ? you know that game. guess who? you know that board game there is we got there india now that is tom sandhu, writer and presenter like pass the parcel is musical stop cheese. the parcel is musical stop cheese . and last but not least cheese. and last but not least the most gorgeous member of the panel the most gorgeous member of the panel. i'm not going lie. it's wrong to have a favourite but with us tonight journalist and former editor of libellous. it's been long. the great been far too long. the great peter . you, folks. peter edwards. thank you, folks. can't wait to get your thoughts on my diary in just a moment for the next 2 hours, big debates , the next 2 hours, big debates, big guests and always opinions. but let's start with my diary . but let's start with my diary. it's time now . dolans diary, my it's time now. dolans diary, my look back at the week's big

story is nadhim zahawi the tory party chairman has had a run in with hmrc or c over his tax bill. the settlement is rumoured to be in the region of bill. the settlement is rumoured to be in the region 0 bill. the settlement is rumoured to be in the region of £4 million. now i've interviewed not zahawi and he's an absolute gentleman and has won many plaudits for overseeing the vaccine rollouts . but how can vaccine rollouts. but how can this accomplish public servant and entrepreneur sir accidentally fail to pay millions of pounds in tax , millions of pounds in tax, particularly given the number of great that are doubtless at his disposal ? you and i would be disposal? you and i would be held to ransom if our tax return was wrong by a penny. it doesn't look like a matter, but given that massive penalty fine was allegedly paid as well, how can be a completely innocent mistake? well, time will, but why put the prime minister through this grief ? why do

through this grief? why do politicians in cling on like that causing such ongoing to their party the honourable thing for zahavi to do is to step down his position until the matter been investigated and if the outcome is favourable and it could well be that opens the door to . a cabinet comeback . it door to. a cabinet comeback. it strikes me that nadhim zahawi he doesn't just need new accountants . he needs new accountants. he needs new advisers as well. this sorry isn't doing anyone any favours at all. now nicholas sturgeon has bitten off more than she can chew in zeal to roll out gender ideology in scotland, which dismisses the very idea of biological sex that there is a man and a woman. she has, in my view, dug own political grave . view, dug own political grave. this after news emerges that a male double rapist was being accommodated in a female prison because he now , as a woman , this

because he now, as a woman, this story reflects problem with eliminating the idea of biological sex. it consoles women and threatens their safety. this mad new scottish law by you can identify as another sex thinking about it for 10 minutes. well i exaggerate slightly . well, i exaggerate slightly. well, i think it threatens nicola too. some consider sturgeon's policy to be an important way of making trans people feel included and accepted in society . it's been accepted in society. it's been hailed as a great in many quarters , but plenty of scots quarters, but plenty of scots were against this law change in the first place and now it's blowing up in sturgeon's face. the political damage . the first the political damage. the first minister is huge by cancelling women , she may just have women, she may just have cancelled herself a guest on a popular daytime current affairs tv show. went this week for belittling a caller and her views saying it's clear from

your comments which newspapers your comments which newspapers you read now the caller an ordinary member of the public, pushed back and said she didn't read any newspapers at all, but that was not enough for this commentator who repeated the claim that this woman was simply a victim . the propaganda that a victim. the propaganda that she reads in certain newspapers . this commentator later added that the caller was brainwashed by of the media because don't forget that's how stupid we all are we just get brainwashed by anything we see or read this is what the elite do folks they accuse you of being brainwashed for, having opinions. they disagree with. now former social mobility , catherine burble sing, mobility, catherine burble sing, who's on this show, waded into the row and she doesn't pull her punches. she said this is so appalling . what a way to speak appalling. what a way to speak to a caller . appalling. what a way to speak to a caller. this appalling. what a way to speak to a caller . this is appalling. what a way to speak to a caller. this is what ordinary people are sick of being , ordinary people are sick of

being, laughed at by the media class for having a different point of view. i couldn't have put it better myself . this whole put it better myself. this whole drama reminded me what this programme is all about a of opinion and no one getting victim ized for their views. the people's hour which we've just had from eight or nine in which itake had from eight or nine in which i take your video, is an example of just on this programme. all opinions welcome. all opinions are respected and on my they always will be . and last but not always will be. and last but not least, a hoax account has tncked least, a hoax account has tricked media outlets all around the world with a fake about the late aretha franklin hits. you make me feel like a natural woman now the fake hoax story was that it was offensive to trans people people were trying to cancel that song you make me feel like a natural woman well it was a fake but all too often these headlines turn out to be true so just to be on the safe

side compiled a politically correct of songs in our special playlist. they include people with cervix just want to have fun by cyndi lauper. how about this classic the bee gees more than a woman , quite literally. than a woman, quite literally. she's got penis. this womb carry is on fire by alicia and my personal favourite, a classic from the beatles he loves you yeah yeah yeah and was devlin's diary . i'm so yeah yeah yeah and was devlin's diary. i'm so much trouble your reaction to my diary what caught your eye this week mark at gbnews.uk delight to have my panel the studio reacting to the big stories of the day. and don't forget we got the papers 1020 right through until 11. we have broadcast and entrepreneur ashley horgan wallace, journalist and former editor of labour list peter edwards and, writer and presenter tommy sandy

. tell me what caught your eye this week. did anything in my diary raise your ire. this week. did anything in my diary raise your ire . yeah diary raise your ire. yeah you're you're always spot on think i'm i think what realising now is actually i was talking about it in your lovely little green room area is that the world's changing. you dunno what you can say. you can't say now i loved your album. i loved your album of just about playing the because i started thinking about those politically correct chants because the stuff that said football stadiums is just so offensive and i'm gonna about the really offensive stuff the racism , even the banter, the racism, even the banter, the jokes goes on. so i think when you think about what you can and what you can't say nowadays and i just we were just told that to tell you what i'm saying actually words words need to be allowed be said, if allowed to be said, even if there ridiculous if they're there ridiculous even if they're bonkers if someone's coming out bonkers, if someone's coming out with an out their thought because if you don't allow that, then we all just stay in the of our lanes all nice safe we don't

get to bounce off each other little bit we don't get to learn from other. i don't you don't get to be called out. what are you talking about, you idiot? you can't say that because this this. you say it, you'll this. but if you say it, you'll never like. it's like never it. it's like. it's like never it. it's like. it's like never going for in a challenge, never going for in a challenge, never going for in a challenge, never going in for a tackle. you never going in for a tackle. you never going in for a tackle. you never going to ball. never going to get the ball. indeed peter labour has indeed peter edwards labour has been the of been accused in the past of being quite sneering about the views brits. do views ordinary brits. do you think is working to think keir starmer is working to correct that ? yeah, i think he correct that? yeah, i think he has some that maybe unfair because think there's a sadly because i think there's a sadly a degree of distance between parties in westminster, the country . but think country at large. but i think certainly under jeremy corbyn there was a bit of a perception it wasn't totally justified. this as a shadow cabinet, there was perception that it was kind of a would be government run from islington that's from islington and that that's just credible. i think one just not credible. i think one of the greatest advantages i had in career and i perhaps in my career and i perhaps didn't realise at the time didn't realise this at the time was working on regional papers around uk, particularly in around the uk, particularly in the of , you realise

the north of, and you realise everyone's opinion is valid whether they've had a university or not. everyone contributing to the country and i think keir starmer really gets that and it's often said he's of a north london liberal you know but his background is much more complex not any he came from a relatively hard up family indeed.i relatively hard up family indeed. i mean peter what's your reaction to that that tv show the ad this week in, which a commentator said to a caller , i commentator said to a caller, i can guess what you read the caller said don't read any newspapers at all. that's a bad attitude, isn't it to think that someone's being brainwashed . someone's being brainwashed. they have views you disagree with . yeah, exactly. i think the with. yeah, exactly. i think the one has to make sure remember , one has to make sure remember, just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that either stupid or wicked. i mean, personally, i want everyone to buy newspapers because, you know i love newspapers and i'd be for years watching them and circulation, whether it's regional and national, is plunging. i but i simply plunging. but i but i simply don't buy the idea at all that the public are sick and they're

dictated by they're reading newspapers think very briefly if you're going to have published. i think the broadcast agenda particularly the bbc is very much steered by what's in that morning's newspapers . but i morning's newspapers. but i think what newspapers particularly some do is they echo public opinion, reinforce it, but they don't create it . it, but they don't create it. ashley, great to have you back on the show as well. what's your view? well, i want to know what tv programme it was and who said what. well, it was yeah, it was the jeremy vine show week on channel five. right. okay and who who was it that was attacking someone. it was say was one of his commentate. was she actually follows me on twitter. i'll dig out her in just moment. it's a marina just a moment. but it's a marina purkis neville, who by the way, is a very, very gifted commentator. very, very , you commentator. very, very, you know, a very good writer. she's compelling. i guess you could call her intellect , but she's call her intellect, but she's been picked up on her remarks by catherine burble sing all people. i just think it's really obnoxious to presume somebody

only reads a certain type of newspaper and that their mind is dictated to by what read like we can form our own opinions regardless of what we read and just think. it's really just obnoxious. can i just. yeah. and can i add this, mark, because obviously, you know, we shows you have shows when have you have shows when you have a guest on and when you are on when are in our position, which is, you know, in front of the cameras, we have cameras, you know, we have broadcasting someone's broadcasting. so if someone's coming call it takes guts coming on to call it takes guts to ring up. if you've rung up a radio show, rung up a tv show, your heart's going because you're there. you're about to go in there. you've to an opinion, you've got to share an opinion, particularly on a debate show you've got to share an opinion, partajlarly on a debate show you've got to share an opinion, parta political a debate show you've got to share an opinion, parta political show»ate show you've got to share an opinion, part a political show like show you've got to share an opinion, part a political show like that. like a political show like that. and slammed and you can and to be slammed and you can actually see in that lady they talk about the one who's the talk about the one who's on the panel the show. you can see panel in the show. you can see a little change face if you little change in face if you watch clip. how do people at watch the clip. how do people at home watch the clip, you can see she changed she she's she changed and she she's annoyed gets she's triggered she changed and she she's an|therd gets she's triggered she changed and she she's an|the callergets she's triggered she changed and she she's an|the caller but she's triggered she changed and she she's an|the caller but that's triggered she changed and she she's an|the caller but that's not gered she changed and she she's an|the caller but that's not job d by the caller but that's not job when it's like you when you're here it's like you have to shut anybody else down it's to facilitate that

it's actually to facilitate that debate facilitate argument it's actually to facilitate that deb'hearicilitate argument it's actually to facilitate that deb'hear out ate argument it's actually to facilitate that deb'hear out people argument it's actually to facilitate that deb'hear out people and ument and hear out people and something went bit bit nasty something went a bit bit nasty in clip and it was in that clip and it was uncomfortable to watch, facilitate a debate we will be doing next 2 hours. doing over the next 2 hours. thank to my who are thank you to my panel. who are back very, very shortly deed back very, very shortly in deed we'll about whether we'll be asking about whether it's hold a grudge with it's wrong to hold a grudge with celebrities and public figures if made mistake. matt if they've made a mistake. matt hancock attacked week if they've made a mistake. matt ha a ock attacked week if they've made a mistake. matt ha a train. attacked week if they've made a mistake. matt ha a train. obviouslyd week if they've made a mistake. matt ha a train. obviously that'sweek on a train. obviously that's completely unacceptable. but do we forgive the guy for perceived mistakes he made ? we'll get to mistakes he made? we'll get to that very shortly . also got that very shortly. also got kinsey schofield live in the states with some big us stories, including american reaction to prince andrew's attempt to make a comeback. is it on your way back to public life for the duke of york . but next in the big of york. but next in the big question, should smacking your child to be a criminal across the uk, we'll hear from both sides after this short .

break well, a big reaction to my diary of the week . i believe that it's of the week. i believe that it's game over nicholas sturgeon because of the trans law. this from dave who says hi mark i thought you might have opinion on the male prisoner who identified as a woman and now identifies as baby demanding nappies and a dummy along with his hand held when leaving his cell . this in scotland . dave, i cell. this in scotland. dave, i am shocked. i'm horrified. and i would say is welcome to you bonkers britain 2023. it's now for this . yes it's time for the for this. yes it's time for the big question in which we tackle a major news story of the day. and it's coming up to the one year anniversary of a major change in the law, the smacking of children, illegal in wales which scotland having introduced a similar law in 20. pressure is

now growing from child protection groups to introduce the same law in england. so is it time to toughen the law to protect , or is the right to protect, or is the right to scold your child with a slap on the wrist or a tap on the bum part of parenting? that's big question. should smacking a criminal offence across whole of britain to debate this? i'm delighted to welcome mother most importantly and deputy leader of ukip, a very good friend of the show. rebecca jane and parenting, youth and coach carlene kent khalili. great to have you on the show i believe it's your first appearance on mark dolan. you're very welcome. what do you think about smacking up ? surely a tap on the wrist up? surely a tap on the wrist wouldn't do child too much harm . well, thank you for having me, mark i think that , yes, some mark i think that, yes, some parents have got a challenging time and we recognise that, you know, parental isn't easy. however it shows that it's really so many countries have

actually outlawed it already . actually outlawed it already. and i think there are two main points here. first of all, the legality side of there are laws against hitting an adult it's assault. there are laws against. how many your your your pet or hitting them. and so why should children have less rights ? you children have less rights? you know, every child really needs discipline. they need boundaries. and, you know, it's an essential part of parenting. but there is a big difference between disciplining and physical punishments and are other ways of actually getting your giving them the guidance and support they need. and so their behaviour is appropriate. so i think that's the first main point. and the other thing to bearin point. and the other thing to bear in mind as well is the psychological and long term impact on your child. i mean, there's a quote that, you know, when you all your hits, when you criticise a child, they don't love you, but they love themselves . and i think it's themselves. and i think it's really signify that the children are looking to their parents who their main carers or , whoever their main carers or, whoever that carer is, to learn

behaviours that are appropriate . so if your parents hitting you or reacting to your behaviour by hitting you, the child will think that violence is an appropriate way to respond to anger or to their bad behaviour . and what will then happen is they're learning that behaviour that it's okay to hit and they'll continue that other areas of their life and other patterns in their life and. you know, it can also have it's been it's has a really, really marked impact on them long term into their adulthood because it's making them maybe feel less worthy , less worthy of love and worthy, less worthy of love and from the parents and they're not good enough . it leads to them good enough. it leads to them having long effects into adulthood. you and it can be like a trauma for them depending on the severity, of course, but i do feel that there is a lot to be said for finding other ways. parenting, which don't involve cycle harm to the. rebecca jane, you've been giving us some. emily style eye rolls so you

disagree ? oh absolutely disagree? oh absolutely i disagree. don't even particularly know to where on this. so obviously if we're that the psychological impact on a child you know why earth are we now not all absolutely . you know now not all absolutely. you know they're on the street having fights every 10 seconds because my generation and the generations previous to me , the generations previous to me, the generations previous to me, the generations that were grown up , generations that were grown up, you know, being given slap and we're talking a slap. we're not talking here. i think i heard that word hit used a couple of times. that's a very different process than what we're talking about. we're not talking about abusing children. we about parents having . the right to parents having. the right to parents having. the right to parent their children and not leaving in this state where we're expecting government to tell us what we can and we can't do, because how far do we take that? you know, when the government is stepping in and telling exactly the amount of discipline that we're allowed to give our children . are they then

give our children. are they then allowed start telling us the allowed to start telling us the vaccines have give vaccines that we have to give our. are parents. we're very our. we are parents. we're very good at our jobs. we my children haven't been raised with this nofion haven't been raised with this notion of, you know, not being able smack them when appropriate and actual fights . i think that and actual fights. i think that the youngest one is probably being slightly smacked twice in her whole entire life. she's fantastic. we have child she absolutely knows that. i love them. and to put everybody into this one knack of saying that now they're all of a sudden going to feel they're loved and they're going to love themselves . nonsense. what parents . less is nonsense. what parents love is parent also cleaning . love is parent also cleaning. just, just. i wonder whether a tool in the arsenal of parents is the threat of a robust physical response. so it's not a case of slapping children all the time. but if you do that again, you will get an almighty smack, right? you actually not planning on doing it. it'sjust planning on doing it. it's just it's an empty threat. but it makes the child think twice . for

makes the child think twice. for example, now i can think of occasion when my eldest son was very small and he ran out into the road and he could have been killed. so i manhandled him. i made it on purpose, on that i physically manhandled back onto the pavement . and i, i held him the pavement. and i, i held him firmly . it can't have been firmly. it can't have been pleasant for i didn't slap him, but i was just physical and robust . and i said, if do that robust. and i said, if do that again, you will be in a world of trouble. you could have got hit by one of those cars. now my son won't forget that in counter. it's about saving his life. however, if a police officer was present under. this law i could probably up in court. i think there is a bit of. probably up in court. i think there is a bit of . there's an there is a bit of. there's an element of reasonableness here. and i think that what in response to the opposing discussion which is i feel that this is based parenting. you're actually exerting a lot of fear

on that child by by threatening with with physical punishment. whereas there other ways we have to give our boundaries, just like do with adults. we people learn what is reasonable behaviour and what the boundanes behaviour and what the boundaries are and similarly we learn that what is acceptable behaviour to another human. your child . they need their emotional child. they need their emotional needs met. they also need to have know that they're cared for, not for. and if person who loves them the most and who they are looking to forgive guidance and boundaries and support and to know how they are going actually how they should run their life and the values that they're going live by. they're going to live by. beanng they're going to live by. bearing that a child's bearing in mind that a child's values starting to values are actually starting to establish the of very establish from the of two very well ingrained the age of seven if they are brought up with that feeling of they're going to be physically harmed if they do something it can set up something wrong, it can set up fears them and it can be fears in them and it can be traumatic. i understand that traumatic. and i understand that we may be dealing here at this just the three of of people just the three of us of people who don't take it that step

father that our where father that our child. where does a small smack go where does it stop? does it become another smack and hard to smack the next time briefly and cleanly. of course we'll all agree with that the idea of violence towards children is truly horrific and abhorrent . and indeed we have abhorrent. and indeed we have laws to stop that from happening . isn't laws to stop that from happening mema laws to stop that from happening . isn't that enough? you're not allowed to be taught for your children . well, so you say and children. well, so you say and laws. but actually there's the defence of reasonable reasonable sort of provocation that you can actually do that your child . actually do that your child. however it's a test of reasonableness and if the end of the day there must be something to be said sweden brought out the in 1979 six every other country have brought that law out to protect children because they have less of a voice. okay. okay rebecca jane, final thoughts ? yeah, you're talking thoughts? yeah, you're talking about the test of reasonableness, the actual test is that if you leave a bruise a mark, then that's when you could be prosecuted. and that's

perfectly because then we're talking about the grounds of abuse. we're not talking about smacking child. those laws are the they already exist . we're the they already exist. we're already governed by them are absolutely perfectly fine . they absolutely perfectly fine. they don't need to be changed because . parents should be reasonable enough themselves to know when they're going forward, that parenting and we shouldn't have to intervene . we have a society to intervene. we have a society of decent and wonderful human beings and we don't need people like with all due like yourself with all due respect and the government telling how to parent our children. i i certainly do not have two children that have been brought with fear and all the rest of, the horrifically awful tarnishing names that you're now using . they've been brought up using. they've been brought up pretty wonderfully . and we pretty wonderfully. and we should parents be should allow parents to be parents. colleen kent i enjoyed your first appearance on the show. i look forward to many parenting youth confidence coach kelly kent and the deputy leader of ukip and caring mother, of course, rebecca jane. thank you both. we've been asking you, the

great british public view in a twitter poll . we've asked a twitter poll. we've asked a simple question should smacking your child be a criminal offence across the uk. 11% say it should be an offence , 89% say no . the be an offence, 89% say no. the people have spoken . coming up, people have spoken. coming up, we've got the papers at 1020 with full panel reaction right through until 11:00. but next, after matt hancock is attacked on a train and the footballer. sol campbell asks for a clean after leaving spurs arsenal all those years ago . is it wrong to those years ago. is it wrong to hold grudges against public figures for disgusting .

well, in my diary i mentioned zahawi, the tory party chairman, and i pointed out that he'd been successful with the vaccine . successful with the vaccine. well, patrick's not it, patrick,

said. mark, i can't believe . said. mark, i can't believe. you're promulgating the wonderful rollout mantra. they are toxic. and zahawi is , an are toxic. and zahawi is, an absolute civil . but i'll absolute civil. but i'll actually broadcast that word. listen, i don't have a cancel anyone but i'd probably get fired if i said that word. but look, let's just. that patrick's not a fan. a woman who complained about vaccine adverse . he told her to get her so. patrick, not a fan of the vaccine rollout and therefore does not apportion any credit to nadhim zahawi for it. there you go. well, look, i keep those opinions coming. of course. let me stress the nhs and the medical authorities are very clear that the vaccine is safe , clear that the vaccine is safe, effective. reacting the big stories of the day. my all star. we've got tommy, sandy . we have we've got tommy, sandy. we have the wonderful, the fabulous piece redwoods and ashley in horgan—wallace said we are all three and it is the dream team tonight. let's get their reactions, their story. this week, a 61 year old man was charged assaulting former health

secretary matt hancock after following him onto the london underground , questioning his underground, questioning his policy decisions during the pandemic. also this week, sol campbell, the footballer , chose campbell, the footballer, chose to leave tottenham and join their arch rivals, arsenal has pleaded with fans a clean slate. just a listen to the reception he received on his return to tottenham in 2001 . i have to tottenham in 2001. i have to keep the band . keep the band. now. this is a guy that left tottenham to join arsenal. 15, 20 years ago. but he has not forgiven by the spurs fans. he has not forgiven by the spurs fans . still feels uncomfortable fans. still feels uncomfortable driving north london. so after the hancock attack and sol campbell's plea, it begs the question it wrong to hold grudges against public figures. peter edwards well, i don't think you've maybe you've come

to me because , you think i'm to me because, you think i'm reasonable, and i think grudges never help. but it's about how you make your point and where you make your point and where you do so. and there is a parallel way too much about matt hancock. the chap has been charged with political activity, but partisan house of commons but in partisan house of commons i sorts of mean things i shall all sorts of mean things to other within a to each other because within a certain environment it's is certain environment it's safe is pubuc. certain environment it's safe is public. there's a line which i know they shouldn't cross verbally. saving football. i don't shout beatings of football matches. but people do. there's nothing wrong with doing that. there are some very nasty things that go on a football match is, as you alluded to earlier and i've heard foul mouthed racist abuse football matches. i was abuse of football matches. i was horrified but booing to horrified by it. but booing to me is not a big deal all. the point is, when you cross over in someone's private life and we've seen in merseyside seen football in merseyside being their this being accosted in their this week, which is disgraceful , you week, which is disgraceful, you don't know who else in a car and you shouldn't make people feel unsafe and it make politicians feel the train . and feel unsafe on the train. and also, about this idea of also, what about this idea of forgiving figures ? i

forgiving public figures? i mean, example, i assume you mean, for example, i assume you were something of an admirer of tony blair, but he still gets dog's abuse, doesn't he, for the iraq war. should we move on in relation to that particular policy? should the public forgive , tony blair, for that forgive, tony blair, for that war? well, i maybe wouldn't put quite in those terms, because i think say you're a brief family. i don't know. you're someone that's always been very respectful of the contribution of the armed forces. i think if you're a brave family, you'll view of the iraq war is going to be very different and perhaps the sublime be several steps removed is just in removed from it is just in politics, tony politics, in the media. tony blair, when he was blair, i think when he was interviewed the times, you interviewed by the times, you know, times journalist said, know, the times journalist said, well, walk down well, you you can't walk down the anymore. you the street anymore. and you actually i said, well, actually reported i said, well, actually, i do. i'm sure actually, i do. and i'm sure every high profile minister or prime gets something rude shouted out, i might imagine, for tony blair for all sorts of reasons in a sheer length time in office. it will be more but that although this is quite downbeat, what i say is relative

to america , where there's been to america, where there's been sadly violence against politicians regularly and i we're not going that way. there have been a handful of horrific episodes in britain in the last decade. sir david amess jo cox i hope we can get back a place where there is safety in public discourse . obviously, and i hate discourse. obviously, and i hate to say this , but guns are not to say this, but guns are not freely available, thank goodness, in britain. so i've lost sympathy for politicians of , all parties, because there are risks. but i hope can all dial it down a bit. it's a problem, isn't it, ashley? the public isn't it, ashley? in the public figures be fair game for. figures to be fair game for. it's a sad state of affairs, but the two not comparable bo, if you ask me. so. so campbell was a footballer obviously and he had every right to go to a different team . he chose the different team. he chose the better team. obviously but he had every right to that. now i can you know, there would be a bit of upset within the team, but with politicians we've a

understand there was so many affected. these are people that are running our countries and people going to have high opinions , angry opinions and opinions, angry opinions and want to be able to get their point across. then we're not being listened to. so obviously what happens about hancock on the train . right. and his the the train. right. and his the way of him expressing his feelings was wrong . but i feelings was wrong. but i understand the frustration . so, understand the frustration. so, you know, you say that it's okay when they're in the house of commons and they're talking to each other. but what about the general public? that one our opinions heard as well. so but i mean, what we've seen this we with my here on gb with my colleague here on gb news farage. yes it's been news nigel farage. yes it's been demonised in some courts, a milkshake thrown over many indecent you know people people somehow think of it as this dreadful figure who was for brexit. well, brexit was a democratic event and his side . democratic event and his side. now, that doesn't make him a monster . now, that doesn't make him a monster. he's now, that doesn't make him a monster . he's characterised now, that doesn't make him a monster. he's characterised as

such in some quarters. you know . oh yeah, you're okay. so when you were a public figure footballer. presenter politician. comedian you're putting yourself there and i'm not justified it. but if we are respecting free speech, then the people have a right to boo, to cheen people have a right to boo, to cheer, to hold up. ju signs because guess what? so going from spurs to arsenal means , from spurs to arsenal means, everything to those guys. because i love sol campbell. and when just went to team next when he just went to team next doon when he just went to team next door, that's a stab in the back that's a genius money what he's like still of course it was extra egregious because he'd been the spurs academy been through the spurs academy so it was tottenham through and so. it was tottenham through and through know, it's a through and. you know, it's a it's a big but it means it's a big deal, but it means a lot to those guys. so it's hard because every situation a because every situation is a little different. but where little bit different. but where i sure you do his i stand and i'm sure you do his homework you say what you homework is you can say what you what you should to. you what you should be up to. you should to go to matt should have to go to matt hancock public matt, hancock in public and matt, i think you you mishandle it, it goes back out of order. and, you know, i'm this but it's when you get someone's face, you're get in someone's face, you're swearing tube swearing that guy on the tube i

was the tfl woman to was telling the tfl woman to shut up you out of it when shut up you stay out of it when it was getting a bit nasty like you you do expect sir. you say. you do expect sir. i expect i was going to have like eggs and potatoes thrown at me when i left big brother the first it's part and first time, but it's part and parcel of what we you've got parcel of what we do. you've got to could make with to what could make with that. you make nice so let me you can make a nice so let me show you. about this idea show you. what about this idea of forgiveness, though? well, so even it was, might be even if it was, what might be considered to have been considered now to have been an error like the iraq error of judgement like the iraq war there point war does there come a point where forgive blair? do where you forgive tony blair? do we matt hancock, for we forgive, matt hancock, for any perceived mistakes made dunng any perceived mistakes made during pandemic? does during the pandemic? why does the a difficulty in the have such a difficulty in moving on? well honestly, i don't think they should don't think they have to. you can't make someone you can't make someone love. you can't make someone love. you can't make someone like you you can't make someone like you you can't make someone agree with you. i think tony his decision. tony blair made his decision. he's got to justify he he's got he's got to justify he has a, in my opinion, fully been able to you know, there's lots of questions around that, the whole set of affairs but i you've got to carry on. i think when we do what we do and i've

gone through my cancel culture, i've been thrown out of the bbc and i had a, you know, a few messages, not many people saying, i'll get a copy of this. but things misunderstood, but things that misunderstood, there's argument there's more to every argument there's more to every argument there's know there's details that don't know about. so that you don't know about. so when on receiving end when you're on the receiving end that it feels horrible, but actually things also move on with time as well. i think you've got to carry on when you've got to just carry on when you're a politician public you're a politician or a public figure, got to be you've you're a politician or a public figuto got to be you've you're a politician or a public figuto be got to be you've you're a politician or a public figuto be thick|ot to be you've you're a politician or a public figuto be thick skinned you've you're a politician or a public figuto be thick skinned forj've you're a politician or a public figuto be thick skinned for this got to be thick skinned for this business because can't change people's opinion. i is wrong people's opinion. i is it wrong to hold against public to hold a grudge against public figures who have made a mistake? let your thoughts at let me know your thoughts at gbnews.uk. in my take it gbnews.uk. now in my take it ten, i'm very excited about this as alan hands back his obe as actor alan hands back his obe of britain's colonial past 14 years after getting we're now living in an era worthless gesture politics which people would rather signal their virtues than actually change the world. that's my take. it's ten in just a few minutes. but next, we go stateside to kinsey schofield, the queen of us showbiz , royal and political

showbiz, royal and political reporting is the prince andrew back on so surely .

big reaction to various conversations that have been sparked in tonight's show market gb use the uk the best bit of the show when you get in touch let's get to your emails. hi mark. football fans always been a law unto themselves can be beyond cruel and unforgiving so no surprise there as soul must surely have been aware . thank surely have been aware. thank you for that, david. how about this? good evening, mark. the problem in relation to forgiving pubuc problem in relation to forgiving public figures is as follows those hancock and blair who you mentioned are protected. there should be proper investigations into these people , not cover into these people, not cover ups. no wonder people hold grudges. that's from david the other david. lots of david's tonight . other david. lots of david's tonight. i've got nicola as

well. it's not nicola, is it? good evening, nicola. nicola says denmark, if public figures are involved, the responsible for the deaths or injuries of people through their lies and coercive behaviour, then they are going to get a rough time and deserve it. and last not least on this one, john mark holding grudges against must be avoided. a heart of unforgiveness is heavy burden to carry through life. how poetic quick words on smacking should it be illegal across ? the whole it be illegal across? the whole of the uk bob says the following. good evening, bob. thank for your email. bob says. my son is now six foot two, six foot two. 27 years old. and bodybuilders when he was ten years old. i remember remember taking him outside a restaurant , give him a slap on the legs for , uncharacteristically for, uncharacteristically disobeying me. he remembers it, too. the only it ever occurred. but the threat was sufficient to ensure no repeat. he fully my action. well, bob , action. well, bob, congratulations on that fine

strapping of yours six foot 227 years of age bodybuilder sounds like quite an adonis very much a chip off the old block. it's time now for us news with the queen of us, show biz, royal and political reporting, kinsey schofield. hi kinsey . mark, it schofield. hi kinsey. mark, it sounds like prince andrew and prince harry needed their bottom smacked growing up because i'm seeing some behaviour that leads me to believe there was a lack of discipline and with both of the spares . yes, the problem is the spares. yes, the problem is that prince would probably enjoy it . thank you, sir. may have it. thank you, sir. may have another . now, can we talk it. thank you, sir. may have another. now, can we talk about prince ? is the comeback on? nope prince? is the comeback on? nope i mean, mark, i'm just. he needs to sit down. he needs to stay back. this is embarrassing. so to it's probably yesterday today ghislaine maxwell's family releases this they released these dimensions of their bathtub to say that no way that

virginia defray and virginia frey and prince andrew got in a bath together and had sexy time. the recreation of this photo is cringeworthy to, say the least. but in the midst of this photo being released , then here comes being released, then here comes the male with a world exclusive . they have proven that the photo of prince andrew and ghislaine maxwell in virginia goofy. they've proven that this is real. it was printed at a one hour photo lab on march 2001. so you know, we've heard over the last days that prince andrew's telling friends , i've got telling friends, i've got something on the horizon that's going to prove my innocence . going to prove my innocence. wait and see. it's going to come out next. then this bizarre photo of the bathtub appears things to ghislaine maxwell brother. but now you have this proof . this photo exists. it's

proof. this photo exists. it's almost just sit down. sit back. this is not a good look for anybody. please, just let your brother get through his coronary and you're embarrassing us. let's talk about the coronation . and will prince harry be in attendance , do you think ? i attendance, do you think? i think that if he's invited he'll show up because it's know the closeness , the royal family closeness, the royal family that's so important, closeness, the royal family that's so important , the sussex that's so important, the sussex brand. i have seen a recent poll that says a lot of people over there would actually like him there. i mean i would prefer that he not show up because i believe it's a state and not a family affair. he's no longer a working royal. but according to a recently taken in the uk. people want him there . i don't people want him there. i don't know . yes. i mean the issue is know. yes. i mean the issue is how the book has gone down. i mean, the dust has settled, hasn't in relation to his book, 'spare' do we know whether it has sold in america ? i mean, it has sold in america? i mean, it did take a huge dip. i think it

felt like one places its second week. it's of course it's sold. well, it's morbid curiosity . well, it's morbid curiosity. people want the dirt. i think americans are like obsessed with the soap opera element of the british royal family. america kids grew up with the charles and saga and wanted intel on that specific relationship . so, that specific relationship. so, yeah, it going to sell well but you know don't i don't think that it's a positive reflection on the man . what's happening on the man. what's happening with murdoch . at one point she with murdoch. at one point she was the biggest in the world. it's her career still going ? it's her career still going? yeah, of course. she's she's a still a working woman. she's got boyfriends that are younger than pairs of shoes in my closet. mark yeah, she's. she's got this celebration tour kicking off now , the only reason that this devastating to madonna , i guess, devastating to madonna, i guess, would be because this now has cancelled her potential movie

she was creating about her life with universal, according to sources. madonna just not agree with universal about the script she wants it dirtier. she wants it grittier . i she wants it dirtier. she wants it grittier. i mean, this is a woman that released a book, sex. so i don't know what universal was thinking. probably not going to get that pg 13 rating. they were hoping. so the movie is now on hold. madonna is going to creatively put all of her energy into the celebration . but we do into the celebration. but we do anticipate that she's still going to create a movie on life inevitably. i don't know if you watch ozark, but juliette gardener was prepared play madonna. she's that girl that like the song ozark. i wish , i like the song ozark. i wish, i could not wait to see that. unfortunately we might not get that in the future . but yeah. so that in the future. but yeah. so a movie eventually. but right now she's going to focus on her toun now she's going to focus on her tour. so i guess the idea of the movie was to replicate the success films like bohemian success of films like bohemian rhapsody and rocket man and don't you dare forget elvis don't you dare forget elvis

starring austin . i've seen it starring austin. i've seen it 175,000 times. and when i get off with you right here, i'm probably going to go watch it again. well, i look forward to getting off with you. but listen, let's let's stay on madonna. if we can. it's such a flirt . mrs. dolan's watching . we flirt. mrs. dolan's watching. we must be careful. can ask you about her status as a star. i mean is she the biggest female singer in the history of american music ? dolly parton is american music? dolly parton is by that question. dolly parton ? by that question. dolly parton? whitney houston . mariah carey. whitney houston. mariah carey. britney i mean, there were a couple lady gaga. i think got some real competition . i think some real competition. i think she was a pioneer. i think she was. you know, so creative, sexy, unique she worked really hard because . i don't think she hard because. i don't think she was the most talented girl, the block. i think it was her ambition. it was her. the way she hustled it was her contacts

and do think she just had such a unique look and she did so many things that people told she couldn't do. let's not forget evita. don't cry for me. argentina i mean, you know, oh, my gosh . she made the greatest my gosh. she made the greatest movie about wallace and edward that critics loathe . but i that the critics loathe. but i love madonna is done. if you tell madonna she can't do something she does it and course that's incredibly empowering . that's incredibly empowering. exciting to see. yes madonna and kinsey schofield are very similar under estimate them at your peril . thank you. thank you your peril. thank you. thank you very much . of the queen of us very much. of the queen of us royal and political reporting . royal and political reporting. she's got lots of shoes in her closet . let me tell you, it's closet. let me tell you, it's the wonderful kinsey schofield. do out website to die for daily, which is a dedicate it royal website. and i must go to option for fans. lots to come. it might take ten as actor alan cummings hands back his obe because britain's colonial past 14 years after getting it, we're now

living in era of worthless gesture politics in which people would rather their virtues than actually change the world. that's .

next it's 10:00. next it's10:00. and this is mark it's 10:00. and this is mark dowland tonight in my take it ten in just a moment as actor cumming hands back his because of britain's colonial past 14 years. by the way after getting obe we're now living in an era of worthless gesture politics in which people would rather signal their virtue than actually change the world in the news agenda. with my panel, is it ever too late to in love and can you ever shake off a bad nickname? what was your nickname at gbnews.uk ? what is your

at gbnews.uk? what is your nickname? do you like it? do you loathe it? plus sneaky peek into sunday's papers 10 minutes earlier than everyone else with the political editor of the sunday mirror, nigel that is at 1020 right through until 11 tomorrow's papers lots to get through including my take it ten and a rather woke . but first the and a rather woke. but first the headunes and a rather woke. but first the headlines with rae addison . headlines with rae addison. thanks mark here's the 276 flybe staff have been made redundant after the airline went into administration for the second time in three years around , time in three years around, 75,000 holidaymakers have had their bookings cancelled. flybe returned to the skies last april after collapsing in 2020. they were operating flights to 17 destinations. general secretary of the rmt its members will decide by the eighth of said

whether to accept the latest and final pay offer from the rail delivery . mick lynch says will delivery. mick lynch says will be held with members across the country over the next ten days. however, he told us he doesn't feel optimistic. however, he told us he doesn't feel optimistic . what we've got feel optimistic. what we've got is a really offer the pay offer is a really offer the pay offer is below less than half of the rate inflation over these two years. inflation running over 20 to 23% in the retail price index. this is 9% over two years and we had no offer three years before that. so this people are getting poorer and at the same time their conditions and their working lives have been trampled all over. so i'm suspicious about what's going on and i don't know if our members would be prepared to accept it . don't know if our members would be prepared to accept it. in international news, body cam has been released in the united showing police in memphis beating a black man who died three days later. a warning, some people may find the following footage distressing. he . mom . denise, 29 year old

he. mom. denise, 29 year old tyree nichols was kicked, punched and pepper sprayed as he cried out for his mother. punched and pepper sprayed as he cried out for his mother . five cried out for his mother. five black officers have been sacked are now facing murder charges . are now facing murder charges. tennessee state representative jay hardaway says they must improve police vetting . these improve police vetting. these are folks who we are giving . at are folks who we are giving. at discretion to take liberty or life. we've got to do a better job of deciding who has that authority . former us president authority. former us president donald trump has relaunched campaign for re—election 2024. they said he's not doing rallies . he's not campaigning. maybe he's lost that step, but we are more angry now. and i'm committed now than i ever was .

committed now than i ever was. mr. trump was speaking at a republic event in new hampshire in. his first campaign speech , in. his first campaign speech, several party members decided not to attend or claimed to have scheduling conflicts. mr. trump's next stop will be south carolina , which is also seen as carolina, which is also seen as a kingmaker state. we're on tv and on dab plus radio . this is and on dab plus radio. this is gb news, the people's channel. back now to mark dolan . back now to mark dolan. my thanks to ray , who returns in my thanks to ray, who returns in an hour's time welcome to mark dolan tonight big stories, big guests and always big opinions in the news agenda with my panel . is it ever too late to fall in love and can you ever shake off bad nickname has it serve you well? what is your nickname? mark gbnews.uk. let me . plus, mark gbnews.uk. let me. plus, we'll have a look at tomorrow's

from 1020. that's 10 minutes earlier than everyone else. 1020, right through until 11 tonight in the company of political editor of the mirror, nigel nelson . with me throughout nigel nelson. with me throughout the hour, reacting to the big stories of the day and tomorrow's sunday papers, we have my panel, writer and presenter tommy sandy , presenter tommy sandy, journalist and former of labour list, peter edwards and broadcaster and entrepreneur ashlin horgan—wallace . that's ashlin horgan—wallace. that's all to come. but first, my . take all to come. but first, my. take ten. we live. in an era of shallow gestures, the highly talented and popular actor alan cumming has returned his obe due to recent conversations he's had about britain's colonia all past and our links slavery . so what's and our links slavery. so what's he been doing for the other 13 and a half years in, which he hung on to that title . alan

hung on to that title. alan doesn't know he's coming or going . it's hard to doesn't know he's coming or going. it's hard to imagine this well—read and insightful wasn't aware of the british empire pnor aware of the british empire prior these recent conversations. his are not limited, of course . england. limited, of course. england. millions accrued by scottish slave owners helped bankroll the construction of some of scotland's cities as well . now scotland's cities as well. now this actor has a conscience and a big hearts and understandably horrified by our links to slavery, which is of course, one of the most evil aspects of history. fair enough . but how history. fair enough. but how doesit history. fair enough. but how does it help the world for him to hand back this gong? refusal in the first place? 14 years ago. would have been more powerful. but to accept it, to sit it for over a decade. and then it back is too little , too then it back is too little, too late. and i believe it's just another example of signalling from a member of the elites .

from a member of the elites. making yourself look good , making yourself look good, actually changing the world. these gestures are now. people have ukraine flags on their twitter bios. what the hell does that achieve ? many people's that achieve? many people's facebook and feeds preach the message of bitcoins as they pour vitriol on anyone they disagree with. the cervix free leader . with. the cervix free leader. the opposition. keir starmer faced a mixture of admiration and opprobrium from the public when he fell to his in the wake of the horrific of george floyd in the united states. is the many applauded his actions here a rejection of the evil of racism whilst others mocked the sheer opportun of it and its emptiness as a gesture . it's emptiness as a gesture. it's much easier, of course, to indulge in these gestures than actually make a real . will you actually make a real. will you

hear a squeak from these people about the modern day slavery ? about the modern day slavery? that's a bigger trade now than . that's a bigger trade now than. like the thousands of tragic children and teenagers standing knee high in mud for 12 hours a day, mining lithium in the congo to power the electric cars of , to power the electric cars of, which are virtue signalling elites are so keen for politicians. media figures , politicians. media figures, leading academics, it seems that a gesture is all it takes do the same, of course , with same, of course, with meaningless slogans how absurd for one particular oil to have a rainbow of inclusivity their petrol station or messaging as flog the world polluting fossil fuels . well, what about fuels. well, what about millionaire footballers taking the knee ? qatar. qatar being the knee? qatar. qatar being a hotbed of prejudice and human inequality and yes, modern day slavery and local authorities are at it too . the bizarre

are at it too. the bizarre decision to rename the famous black lane in haringey in, london. it's called black boy lane. that's its name, which as the mail's robert hardman out today in the paper , over today in the paper, over £100,000 to change the street name and was a decision made by the council without any clear evidence the locals objected to it. hardman claims in his article that 81% of residents on black lane, in fact rejected the idea of a name when the council finally round to asking for their opinions with no objections from members of the black. objections from members of the black . now, i don't know if black. now, i don't know if those figures true and the council clearly concerned about people being offended by this name, which could upset locals and foment racist sentiment . and foment racist sentiment. that's why they've done it. they're not bad people. but i do think they're misguided . it's think they're misguided. it's now called rose lane , but the

now called rose lane, but the stop sign still says formerly black boy lane. la rose lane underneath formerly black boy lane. so presumably we're still offending . you couldn't make it offending. you couldn't make it up . will this expensive name up. will this expensive name change tackle the scourge of racism . you tell me. the twisted racism. you tell me. the twisted genius of wokeism or extreme political correctness , as it's political correctness, as it's known, is its of the concept of niceness. if you're woke , you niceness. if you're woke, you are nice . so it goes. even are nice. so it goes. even though the woke bekind brigade are some of the most vicious bullies out there. illiberal, cruel and. of course. the architects of cancel we have replaced real action for change with actual gesture politics. you send a tweet, you pose for a photo or you send back a royal gong and it's job done. in my view, the only thing that virtue signals really signal is the shallowness , the vanity. and

shallowness, the vanity. and there watering hypocrisy . do us there watering hypocrisy. do us all a favour and have a day off . what's your reaction to the decision by the actor alan cumming ? return decision by the actor alan cumming? return his obe in the of britain's history colonialism and our links to slavery market gbnews.uk let me know reacting that and the big stories of the day, including papers. in just a few minutes we have and entrepreneur ashley journalist and former editor of labour list peta edwards and writer and presenter tommy ashley, let me start with you . your reaction to start with you. your reaction to this act, his decision to send back his obe after more than a decade. well i agree with everything that you just said. i just think it's very virtues to signalling. i can't say it because you don't do it because you're real. thank you. well, it's not in your voters . i'm it's not in your voters. i'm going to record or i'm ready to

talk about. anything else but my core. i am . and the fact that he core. i am. and the fact that he did it on his birthday. core. i am. and the fact that he did it on his birthday . am did it on his birthday. am i right in that? but you , you right in that? but you, you know, for me, that is just it's all him. it's just all about him. and it's just a pr stunt. you know, i've worked in this industry long enough. see, when something's everything was transparent to me now, and i just see straight through that because as you said in your take it, ten, he didn't have a problem 14, 15 years ago when he took a, you know, when it was going to further his career and was the right thing him to do. he didn't have a problem with all of our dubious past. but now all of our dubious past. but now all of our dubious past. but now all of a sudden, obviously we have a dubious. right. i'm not denying that . but now you've got denying that. but now you've got a problem with it and now you're given something back on your birth date, but you're not actually doing anything. what are doing to help? he's just are you doing to help? he's just so far removed from normal everyday people. we live in. in hollywood and it's just virtual . well, makes said he would

argue, and he's spoken about this, that he's recent conversations and he's reflected you know we're all on learning curve and you it's really just become a sort of more immediate concern engagements he's had about our historic past we're allowed to change our mind we. absolutely and i think i, i wasn't the focus of this really to be more so why he decided give it back and forget the thought for a moment. forget the 13 or 14 years that he's had. is it the obe or maybe he had right . so i think he's i've see it right now that debate about imperialism , about the empire imperialism, about the empire and the effects of it and the information behind it. a lot more detail is coming about. read certain books recently sat down and gave his book, which is about empire and the horrific effects it's had on certain people around the world. i also know know a lot of people who are very proud of what the empire achieved. and it's this

little country that's got this global dominance and that is in weird way something to be proud of. but then what went with that is, is troubling and upsetting. but those were different times. and believe we should go and i don't believe we should go back to it to cancel or back in time to it to cancel or to take down statues, all those things. so yes, this is his right? yes. i think he probably did the right thing by returning it if he felt about it. and yes, we are all on that journey, as you said, mark, but what does it do? i'll come back to your point about celebrity up and making these victories signals. these little victories signals. i think i'm going to i actually do think i'm going to disagree little bit disagree with you a little bit more i think it is the more because i think it is the job to make these job of celebrity to make these points stand up for animal or points to stand up for animal or whatever the issue might be. it's celebrities that virtue and then that through their then that message through their goes and people goes to the people and people can then make their own decisions. we have to agree with him, i think that's role him, but i think that's his role as an and as a person in as an actor and as a person in the public to eye of make a stand. but he's following but what is he achieving this debate this conversation and then somebody saying do you mean somebody saying what do you mean

the all the empire's bad? it wasn't all great. wasn't , you know, great. it wasn't, you know, but then where go? and i'd to then where do you go? and i'd to know whether using know whether he stops using stunts. he's got the royal family on the oh three. you know how does that line lie? how where does that line lie? it's grey it's tricky, murky, grey territory. but i think celebrities and people in the pubuc celebrities and people in the public have a duty to raise issues and they have a platform raise issues, which is what he's done. well he should be raising issues that are going on in america, which is his new home with the police, for example , with the police, for example, present day issues , past history present day issues, past history . we can't change. unfortunately yes. i mean, peter edwards ashlyn, i would argue that perhaps these interventions would noble if the motivations were noble . but her argument is were noble. but her argument is a lot of these celebrities really just trying to make themselves look and boost their career . i themselves look and boost their career. i think it comes from the right place. i his motivations are good, but it's not the choice i'd make. there's a rightly huge ferocious a rightly huge and ferocious debate about the of the british empire. and i'll say that debate

will all going will never end. we're all going to right place for us to find the right place for us in that debate. but i wouldn't have made the choice because 114 years ago, all the evils the british empire were known then . british empire were known then. there hasn't been a new discovery that was hidden from ireland coming to he lives in america right ? which ireland coming to he lives in america right? which has just as nasty history in terms of slavery and i've read a lot of the slave narratives when. i was in english literature, undergraduate 20 years ago and that testament to the horrific point in american history and certainly is wrote he was given an honour by the royal family and then he gave it back and he gave it back in a really public way . and it's just rude. it's a way. and it's just rude. it's a very british offer. so i do understand his motivations . understand his motivations. there's no way in the world i would have thought about it this way. your reaction market, gbnews.uk what do you think about public figures speaking out on political issues and doing gestures? am i being too hard on them? let me know. i

could gbnews.uk next stop . got could gbnews.uk next stop. got the papers in the company of the sun mirror's political editor. nigel nelson. don't go anywhere

mark dolan tonight on a saturday is all about sunday's papers , is all about sunday's papers, and therefore we bring you a sneak of two of the headlines right now. 10 minutes earlier than everyone else. and all the papers are bang on 10th. but let's have a look what we've got so far. and let's look at the sunday mirror. we're about. speak to the political editor at nigel they lead with the nigel nelson. they lead with the following. let's take a look . following. let's take a look. conservative cash scandal, top tories, russian oil millions sunak and zaha. we made donor party treasurer billionaire still trading through putin's war. the tories top treasurer has been raking it in from a firm still dealing with warmonger vladimir putin's

russia . billionaire mohamed russia. billionaire mohamed mansoor , uk based una track and mansoor, uk based una track and a subsidiary supplying machinery to russia's oil and gas industry . una track has donated . . una track has donated. £600,000 to the conservatives and mr. mansoor is said to have pledged 2 million to the tories himself. he was appointed senior treasurer last month by pm rishi sunak and tax party chairman nadeem za hallway . let's have nadeem za hallway. let's have a look now at the sunday telegraph. hospitals at home plan to save nhs more than half a million patients a year will be treated in hospitals at home in an attempt to relieve pressure on a&e departments under the plans elderly and frail patients who fall will be treated by video link with ministers saying that a fifth of emergency admissions could be avoided with the right care . avoided with the right care. health officials said the virtual wards would be backed up b y £14 billion in extra spending

by £14 billion in extra spending on and care services over the next two years. as the nhs tackles record backlogs with 7 million people on waiting lists. also sturgeon under as second trans inmates sent women's jail and starmer benefited from private school charities. the keir starmer personally benefited from a private charity. now the can disclose the labour leader who has vowed to remove the charitable status of independent schools . he of independent schools. he received a bursary to fund his sixth form studies at the fee paying sixth form studies at the fee paying reigate grammar school. well, those are two of the front pages. a fascinating story on the front page of the sunday mirror. that political editor is the longest serving political editor , the country. it's nigel editor, the country. it's nigel nelson. he joins us now. hi, nigel . how nelson. he joins us now. hi, nigel. how are you, mark? i'm very well. congratulations on a scoop for sunday mirror top tories russian oil, millions . me tories russian oil, millions. me more. yeah well i can't take

credit for this one is my colleague maggie smith who did this story but this is the tory treasurer , mohammed mansoor and treasurer, mohammed mansoor and the previous as explained that he's he's been making a mint out of a business, has been selling machinery to russia to sell their oil and industry. now, there's no that that sanctions were broken here the what happened was that the company been fulfilling contracts that existed before the war in ukraine started and they've been trying to run down their operation. however it's a very good look to actually get the deaung good look to actually get the dealing with russia a time like this when . rishi sunak himself this when. rishi sunak himself has been saying that british companies shouldn't actually trade with russia what i think is always incredible about things, is that to become tory treasurer, it seems you've got to basically pay for it, you've

got to give lots money to the tories. so his company has already give n £600,000 and he's already given £600,000 and he's pledged another couple of million of the tories , dogged by million of the tories, dogged by allegations of , sleaze but in a allegations of, sleaze but in a cost of crisis, does anyone care . i think they care even more the cost of living crisis than other times. i mean the whole point about what people want is for everyone to play fair and everyone to obey the rules . so everyone to obey the rules. so i an awful lot of people pay taxes without complaint, without much complaint anyway. and pay them on time and they get pretty angry when they see someone like that it aims at how we the tory german not paying his or paying it. let and incurring a penalty because of that it doesn't go down so well when the deputy prime minister being accused of

a multiple counts bullying. so rishi sunak came in came to number and he promised that there would be integrity and a accountability. they were his words . it was within the party words. it was within the party under his leadership and with all that's going on with boris johnson's rather odd low £800,000 loan with six tory mp who've been on under suspension since the last general election , it doesn't look like rishi sunakis , it doesn't look like rishi sunak is fulfilling that promise . what about keir starmer ? front . what about keir starmer? front page of the sunday telegraph hypocritical? starmer benefited from private school charity . he from private school charity. he attended a school which became, i think it was a grammar school. it became fee paying and it was a charity that paid certainly for his sixth form studies . so for his sixth form studies. so he's benefited from private school . is he therefore wrong to

school. is he therefore wrong to be relieving them of their tax free charitable status? is that double standards ? well, i don't double standards? well, i don't think so, because i the whole the whole situation about politics is that what do is you do things for the benefit of people. it can't be about what you've done it done earlier in your lives. you're talking about what is actually for best the british people and. the point that starmer is making is that why should i ask the taxpayer all subsidise people for making all subsidise people for making a choice of where they send their children to school? i'm not against private education. that's fine. what i'm against is my taxes towards subsidising it, which is why charitable status should be removed . nigel nelson should be removed. nigel nelson it looks like a cracking paper tomorrow. the sunday mirror do checkit tomorrow. the sunday mirror do check it out. nigel nelson is the political editor of both the sunday and the sunday people. nigel, thanks much. look forward to welcoming you to the studio presently . we'll get more papers

presently. we'll get more papers with full panel reaction after . with full panel reaction after. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to you, mark dolan tonight. it's exact 1030 so it's time for tomorrow's papers and it's sunday papers with full panel reaction. let's with the sunday express now they lead with the following quite a headune with the following quite a headline rishi at war over migrants angry civil servants to scupper pm's plan to tackle the asylum crisis . senior officials asylum crisis. senior officials claim the pm wants to tear the rule book in a bid to end tide of people crossing the channel in small boats, he's driving ahead with new laws that would completely remove right to asylum for all illegal asylum here for all illegal entrants. now furious whitehall insiders have vowed to torpedo the plan . also princess of wales

the plan. also princess of wales on why she's excited to help give children a better start in life the observer next to so brilliant i children facebook teaching and racism at asylum whistleblower adds to the home office pressure and you will be hurled from the window. migrants told just anecdotes there about horrific abuse of migrants . horrific abuse of migrants. asylum seekers at an asylum hotel here in the uk. sunak was warned about zahawi tax risk. it's the other story in the observer. okay let's go to the independent now . us protests , independent now. us protests, brutality. demonstrators their fury after the death of tyre , fury after the death of tyre, who is 29 following a violent arrest by officers . probation arrest by officers. probation crisis victim one killed every three days by offenders on watch list. a person is killed every three days on average by an offender probation in england and wales . offender probation in england and wales. figures published by h.m. inspectorate of probation show that 622 reviews were

triggered after murders by re—offend, as over six years to 2022. absolute is shocking state. therefore the criminal justice system in this country . justice system in this country. okay, let's have a look at the store now. a bit of much needed light relief this cold january evening. can you believe it's now the 28th of january. where did that go? the daily star sun . a pain in the bum dumping on its way . britain faces blast its way. britain faces blast from north pole. never mind the beast from the east or the troll from trondheim. britain is going to be hit by a new weather phenomenon. homer's that's right . get your sweaters out because we're about to have a cold snap . let's have a look at the sunday telegraph now. hypocritical storm of benefited from private school charity . from private school charity. keir starmer personally benefited from a private school charity. according to the sunday telegraph, the labour leader who's vowed to remove the charitable status of private schools received a bursary to fund his sixth form studies. the

fee reigate grammar school sturgeon under fire as a second trans inmate sent to women's jail and hospitals at home plan to save the nhs. let me give you a more detail on this. i touched on it earlier with nigel nelson . more than half a million patients here will be treated in hospitals at home in order to help a&e under the plans elderly and frail patients will be seen video link with ministers saying that a fifth of emergency admissions could be avoided with the right care. this is all part of 14 billion quid extra over the next two years to tackle that back . plans for an that back. plans for an expansion in community response teams will mean elderly patients can be assessed , treated on the can be assessed, treated on the spot. instead being brought to hospital under a scheme that will aim to a response within 2 hours. trials that sent out a paramedic community nurse to examine patients suffered a fall, found they could halve the proportion being taken to a&e with some using video links. so

that ambulances could liaise with. hospital consultants from a patient's home. virtual wards. i'll be asking my panel about that shortly. and last but not least, the sunday mirror top stories. russian oil, millions . stories. russian oil, millions. the conservatives top has been raking it in from a firm still deaung raking it in from a firm still dealing with warmonger vladimir putin's russia billionaire mohammed mansoor co—owns , una mohammed mansoor co—owns, una track and subsidiary b supplying machinery to russia's oil and gas industry . he's donated 600 gas industry. he's donated 600 grand to the tories and pledged to million on a personal and he's the treasurer. how did that . and those are your front pages . let's get reaction now from my friends, my panel tonight. tommy peter edwards and ashley horgan—wallace . and let's let's horgan—wallace. and let's let's have a look . it's a very have a look. it's a very interested in their story . interested in their story. edwards in relation to the nhs . edwards in relation to the nhs. hospitals at home plan to save the nhs we're going to have to

think the box if we're going to tackle our health services problems aren't we. yeah i think there may well be a role for virtual wards. i think that all the parties have heard the lesson now simply offering more money the nhs , however money for the nhs, however well—intentioned , is not well—intentioned, is not something that sways voters needs reform, it's of a needs reform, but it's of a pragmatic response. but maybe also it's a sign of failure because . it shows we're because. it shows we're considering virtual wards because hospitals are already bursting the seams and don't have enough money. so clearly it's a pragmatic, intelligent response . the situation we find response. the situation we find ourselves in. and personally, i've i've had a number of friends in the last year who've been very ill and passed away and more than said, they preferred being home. when you are facing a critical illness . are facing a critical illness. so there is a kind of taking all the ideology out there's a benefit for patients in being your loved ones in your own environment. but we're doing this because can't cope. yeah yeah. well, that is of course the issue and that's a long term

problem. but ashley and how do you feel about being seen by video link, perhaps an older relative, if they fall down the stairs, they've got get their stairs, they've got to get their iphone yeah, i'm at that's iphone out. yeah, i'm at that's my problem. personally my only problem. i personally wouldn't . i actually think wouldn't mind. i actually think it's a really good idea because as say, bursting at as you say, we're bursting at the what else can do the seams. what else can we do for generation that ? for the older generation that? don't know how to use. i mean, if it was down to my nan and i have to a, you know, a face have to have a, you know, a face time consultation, she'd be struggling it would be a real i this is the idea in this trial that they've had paramedics and a nurse a clinician going to the property that's good . then they property that's good. then they set up the video call with results and oh i think it's one of the ideas. well i don't think there be seen granny to find an ipad, get that get it plugged in and get it online and all the rest of it. but i mean, we i find this story quite refreshing. i think is i think that something needs to done and i think it's a way forward. can i think it's a way forward. can i just add? sorry, matt brown.

people, indians . we've had people, indians. we've had doctors at home all our lives . doctors at home all our lives. we've got most of my family are doctors most of my friends, the school parents are doctors. so actually not have only been that for years. basically what happens when you're indian and you have a network of doctors and we do what you do is you kind of you ring them like i've got my cousins married to a doctor so you ring her first and you go, the kids have got this spot goes, send me a picture. because no, it's not chickenpox. so you get that little referral. so you get that little referral. so actually say we on behalf so actually can say we on behalf of the british people brown people we've trialled it was people we've trialled it it was give it a go but what you need is more doctors, your family and friends. why aren't you a doctor? but you know, doctor? but well, you know, i might mark, i might be in the might be mark, i might be in the pilot. exactly feel like pilot. i don't exactly feel like patch adams. wouldn't you ? yeah. patch adams. wouldn't you? yeah. laughter the best medicine . laughter is the best medicine. my still hoping i might. my mom is still hoping i might. an come on. come an introduction. come on. come on. looked at. on. inside please be looked at. well, you can examine well, listen, you can examine after show. let's go again. after the show. let's go again. yeah, to get a drum kit. me first, but .

yeah, to get a drum kit. me first, but. but, but, i mean, the issue is potential . shelly the issue is potential. shelly told me the slippery slope to video consultations. we know how many people's symptoms were ignored in the course of the pandemic because they could only get a video appointment. yeah i know. but then again, through the pandemic. i had physio a it's a how do you get physio on a video. exactly. i was looking for a forward to tour like a good massage. it was three. so they get to rub myself out other yeahi they get to rub myself out other yeah i actually know that was a different video. like that was a different video. like that was a different video. like that was a different video. i think that's the other one. i mean i think it's a nice way of eliminating some of the cases that don't need to get to the doctor. i think there's a way that sometimes, you know, i've been there, i've taken one in because he's had a temperature for two or three days, a bit concerned like he's should shake it like he's not should shake it off. the doctor it's going off. and the doctor it's going around 5 minutes. around and we're out 5 minutes. yeah. i'm like we don't need yeah. and i'm like we don't need to do that. so that can be done

in another and using in another way. and using technology then i'm it. technology then i'm for it. well, really that babe well, i'm really glad that babe station you won't station your life you won't be the one swears. i mean the only one he swears. i mean actually , you know, this is this actually, you know, this is this is the state our nhs. some is the state of our nhs. some people will see this as death by a thousand cuts. i mean like like he said this sorry by the way, you know, we're going to do we're going to have nickname badges. we're talking about. so shall we give peter a nickname so you can remember what perfect pete's no from baby. well, i had a baby. well, i think , i should a baby. well, i think, i should have say this right, say that's happening. but he's having a cheese outside and a lovely seated, cheesy pete. so now i'm going to have i'm going to keep redwoods. oh, pita bread words. yeah yeah. what i also quite like cheesy pete. so what do we keep ? yeah, no, no, that's not keep? yeah, no, no, that's not true. that in many jobs on how to university holidays, the one i enjoyed most i think was being a postman. and when i went back to university, was called post to university, i was called post for pa if i was local for pa that if you i was local post pat cullen thank you very

postman pete oh nice we might still without the post did have a black and white solo on in a now i've set a bicycle that was adequate anything unusual or surprising happened to you when were on your delivery? i was not propositioned any. was disappointing . oh, he wasn't on disappointing. oh, he wasn't on my round that you get accosted by any dogs or anything like that. oh many times. yeah. and that. oh many times. yeah. and that , that was a learning curve that, that was a learning curve definitely. i'll post these do a great job and they're very, they're very under—appreciated but post back back on topic that's the nhs. i just wonder you know is it death by a thousand cuts. is there any concern because fundamentally right we've got to we've got a human right haven't we, this human right haven't we, in this country into any if an country to go into any if an emergency. and i just worry that if we agree to this , the if we agree to this, the authorities will say, wait a minute, no, you're be on minute, no, no, you're to be on video link. you can't come in here. think there's not much here. i think there's not much alternative to go to. alternative avenues to go to. and i think that this has to be done it has to be put in

done and it has to be put in place people do go to place because people do go to sometimes unnecessarily. i don't mean to be rude , but they might mean to be rude, but they might not obviously they might not know. but then there are other people that sometimes just do like . so i think this is a good like. so i think this is a good thing. and it's the way forward. we have to move forward with the times and this is what we've got to do. and speaking of moving forward, ashley in the sunday express at war over migrants , express at war over migrants, angry servants vowed to angry civil servants vowed to scupper plan to tackle the asylum crisis . the prime asylum crisis. the prime minister wants to drive with new laws that would completely remove the right asylum here remove the right to asylum here in uk if you've entered the in the uk if you've entered the country illegally to get here illegally, will not get illegally, you will not get asylum. but the so we're told at least by the express the blob , least by the express the blob, the civil service aren't having it. what's your view? i think he's if he does and, if he doesn't . that was a tongue doesn't. that was a tongue twister. i think . i think it's twister. i think. i think it's a i think he's probably right. i mean, understand that people are coming from terrible situations,

but a lot of people aren't as so. and something to be done. so what the alternatives just sort let everyone in and then we've got another crisis. then this is a challenge for keir starmer, isn't it. because know that labour objected to rwanda plan but he needs to engage with some of sunak's policies otherwise sunak accuse him of being soft on illegal immigration . well, on illegal immigration. well, that's a fair kind of question. politically, i think a bigger problem for which is sunak , problem for which is sunak, because this is not doing something about this is a pledge to possibly do something it in future and it's is actually i think solicitors barristers they're going to be the vanguard of resisting rather than the civil service not the expressive special civil service . you know, special civil service. you know, sometimes you read a story in about 10 seconds thinking it's going to be able to legal challenge this is it surely this is nothing to do with the eu or brexit, the right to asylum, as i understand , is a global right. i understand, is a global right. i understand, is a global right. i think that flows from the un .

i think that flows from the un. i'd if this ends up on i'd be amazed if this ends up on the statute book. so if pursue something where there's such a question over on day question mark over it on day one, a bit like rwanda's one, again a bit like rwanda's about sending a message to your electoral toughness and electoral base toughness and that import what's what's that is import what's what's storm is also going to be on that because he does need to address the issue doesn't he he can't keep saying i'll do a deal with france because i don't think the public believe that will i think that's a will happen. i think that's a rees—mogg's and think rees—mogg's and see i think you're right labour talked you're right that labour talked about process but about more about the process but it's very interesting because about year ago and labour were about a year ago and labour were kind of first out to say they'd much closer cooperation with france and that kind of pooh poohed at the time and journalists challenged it as is their job. journalists challenged it as is theirjob. but journalists challenged it as is their job. but then journalists challenged it as is theirjob. but then about six months after that and the conservative run home office said, we need cooperation in france. so actually the idea of being kind of pragmatic and non—ideological and talking to your neighbours is a good thing and of course the tories have done some deals with the french

authorities recent months authorities in recent months proving that's proving your point. yes that's politically that poses a challenge for labour because you have pivot from saying have to pivot from saying useless tories to claiming is a labour success. told me, will this be a key issue at the next election alongside economy and the nature of kosovo , the the nature of kosovo, the migrant issue, illegal immigrants, asylum seeking and what's going on in our borders is it? it's the it's hot. i think it's pretty hottest topic right now in terms of an issue with this country. why do you that? as i'm saying out loud, i'm thinking of the nhs. i think a lot people like i think a lot of people like i think about rates. so but about mortgage rates. so but this is it's up to you. it's up there because it's a it's a kind of externally influenced issue. so issue coming so it's an issue that's coming from abroad. and the from people abroad. and the other we've got are other issues that we've got are our internal issues and the our own internal issues and the way in which we're running systems of this systems or parts of this of this country this we've been i country but this we've been i think of brits feel think a lot of brits feel imposed upon it's a time when we are vulnerable and sensitive anyway. so yes hot topic and i also know these these of issues

are so layered. i mean, how how you go about this has to be very sensitively with respect for like you said un rules , but also like you said un rules, but also with respect for the people because there are some people genuinely seeking help and we should help , but are should help, but there are others are advantage others that are taking advantage of delicate balancing act of it. a delicate balancing act . i'll your emails . i'll get to your emails shortly . what's your on shortly. what's your view on that market? gb news. .uk coming up. lots more stories from the including nicknames. by the way, can shake off a dodgy is giving people nicknames . can shake off a dodgy is giving people nicknames. is it friendly or is it offensive . plus cold, or is it offensive. plus cold, weather on the way. more on that next .

next welcome back . the show. we are welcome back. the show. we are reacting to the papers in the company of ashley horgan—wallace peta edwards and tommy sandy .

peta edwards and tommy sandy. three fabulous intellectual giants , of course , they're on giants, of course, they're on tomorrow. well, exactly . they tomorrow. well, exactly. they weren't available at. that's let's have a look at the daily sunday. we're in britain. this is gb news we going to talk about the weather? and i make apologies for that. a pain the bun is the headline in the star. holly, grab it if you can for. us. dumping doughnuts is on its way . britain faces a blast from way. britain faces a blast from the north pole . the star of that the north pole. the star of that mocked up a massive and there it is never mind the beast from the east or the troll from trondheim britain is going to be hit by a new weather phenomenon . homer's new weather phenomenon. homer's doughnut. we laugh about it. peter edwards. but it's going to get cold and that's a problem first of all. we already , in first of all. we already, in many cases, whether to eat or heat energy bills through the roof. it's a big headache for. the government big headache for households. yeah, well, this is an incredibly jokey portrayal with homer simpson on and i

should say about he's not a doughnut, different things. but there's going to be real and see i you he knows his bread dough. he knows he's dough man . were he knows he's dough man. were you baker as well a you a baker as well as a postman? yeah. i do club postman? yeah. yeah, i do club as home baking after being seven to studio some time. yeah yeah. low sugar brownies. anyway, i the. i think the cold snap . he the. i think the cold snap. he looked at me when he said low sugar brownies just saying he looked . i'm a low sugar looked me. i'm a low sugar brownie. but you'll pay less to get my hands on your brownies. but that's another day, that bum. so, yeah, i think as you mentioned jokey headline but actually there's going to be misery at the of this because already for folk is a choice between eating or we know there is a government subsidies relatively limited in scope for the poorest households in terms of energy. but i think he's actually it's very cold already we've probably because we've had so swings we've maybe got used to a milder autumns is ordinary january weather is cold and yeah i especially for an older person

person or low income person living alone i think it's going to cause a lot big time. we've kept the heat down home and the only satisfied solution for me is be comfortable to keep my puffer jacket on indoors . is pufferjacket on indoors. is that a faux pas? well my having a puffer jacket . that a faux pas? well my having a pufferjacket . yeah, i know a pufferjacket. yeah, i know about. a pufferjacket. yeah, i know about . he's like, you look like about. he's like, you look like you're about to leave. and i'm like, you're not going places that actually is ready for any any you can go mock i'm any moment you can go mock i'm going to i'm just i'm only comfortable in in my coat but that's not a good look for indoors, is it? well, i remember when i was growing up single parent family , we did have high parent family, we did have high ceilings as well where i lived. so it was a real problem of heat in that and old fashioned windows fashioned windows, windows, old fashioned windows, no glazed in. and we used no double glazed in. and we used to me my mom used to walk to me and my mom used to walk around our coats. they around in our coats. they weren't jacket. we couldn't afford those. darling yeah, yeah. used to yeah. well, i see we used to walk around we used to just walk around and we used to just contain in one or two rooms, and i think that's the best advice i could to finally over just

could give to finally over just over christmas. just after christmas for about two weeks, because took ages. my boiler because it took ages. my boiler went down for the heat and talk about your wife like that but i can't wait to get back to the boiler and then you realise cold the house correctly could be so we had to close doors. good tip is actually if you afford to put the heating on it's actually a heated blanket just stay in your bed with a heat blanket. it's relatively cheaper . well relatively cheaper. well localised heat is that so. that's that's pretty smart move let's talk love because a 46 year old woman wrote to the telegraph middle class column week sharing the fact that she's never been in love . that's never been in love. that's right. at the tender age of 46. now, despite being in a few relationships and turning down a proposal in her early thirties, young woman is yet to find love and is starting to give up hope. so question is it ever to so it the question is it ever to love cheat, to love, too late love to cheat, to love, too late to fall love. what do you think, ashley so i just fell right in. yeah. do we know? i'm newly

yeah. what do we know? i'm newly single. hasn't happened by. single. it hasn't happened by. 46. ain't going to happen, is 46. it ain't going to happen, is it? i'm four becky times, right i mean, they have i'm not so sure but i'm recently single and i was explaining to my dad on the phone because he's like this particular gentleman and he was that , well, what's the particular gentleman and he was that, well, what's the problem? i just said he's just not for me. just trust me this. he's not for me. oh well, you're 44. what are you going to do? be an spinster like? it's just the perception that you have to be settled down and you have to find and you have to be with someone before you are certain age. otherwise you're put on the shelf, women. it shelf, especially women. it really men. it's not really angers men. it's not true. women found true. i know women have found love literally their late love literally in their late fifties . if you haven't fifties sixties. if you haven't beenin fifties sixties. if you haven't been in love at for one moment up until the age of 46, something's not right. up until the age of 46, something's not right . what? something's not right. what? what is love? i mean . oh, there what is love? i mean. oh, there you go . friendship. friendship you go. friendship. friendship first to the boiler, then tell me about love life. so. okay lots to say on this one. this

story actually says she's never fall in love. it's not that others having fallen in love with her. yeah so she turned people down. that's what i'm thinking now. you know, i've grown up in the world of bollywood love stories and hollywood love stories, a love is time love songs is around the time love songs all of the in. facts are all of the time in. facts are chosen playlist at love chosen playlist at is love songs. you particularly songs. you know, particularly tomorrow wake tomorrow on a sunday we'll wake up love songs, love all up to love songs, love it all but am yeah. no, it's not but am i? yeah. no, it's not very. well, send you the very. well, i'll send you the video. dusty . my book. video. that's dusty. my book. but. but i think people have preconception what they think preconception of what they think love should what they think a love should be what they think a relationship a relationship should, what a loving would be . loving relationship would be. and set the bar and it's when you set the bar too high, never going to too high, you're never going to achieve actually real love achieve it. actually real love is shared cheese . it is sometimes shared cheese. it i love my dogs. i mean , they love love my dogs. i mean, they love of my dogs and would do it a lot cheaper than husband. let's finish or be this the hollywood star and oscar nominee margot cannot shift her nickname , cannot shift her nickname, miche. she was on the red carpet . i have a mate from school, came up to her and said, ello,

maggot. because when she was youngen maggot. because when she was younger, margot looked bit like maggots . so the question is, can maggots. so the question is, can you ever shake a dodgy nickname? all nicknames offensive or is it top banter , do you think? peter top banter, do you think? peter oh, sorry. say cheesy. yeah, i, it depends on the name . i mean, it depends on the name. i mean, i've had eddie at primary school and pedro university. i was quite happy about. pedro is quite happy about. pedro is quite strong. yeah yeah. to sound a little latin and sort of glamorous, really . what it's glamorous, really. what it's like to have chest medals . yeah. like to have chest medals. yeah. bob the other day in this there is i think it's at times reading tea i think pedro might stick actually i quite like that . i actually i quite like that. i mean the thing about it is it, it's a way of people saying they're like, who is it? and i think it's nice and dear and especially if it's from your past, it's an endearing because it's someone that's remembered you childhood. my dad's nickname was because he said name's was wally because he said name's wallace and you can't really call him that unless you know him now . it's not the best, but him now. it's not the best, but in, you know, they've known you

for years it's cute . have you for years it's cute. have you been given a nickname at all that's broadcaster just queen. well that was yeah that's. just descriptive. that's not a nickname. no haven't i have it. i love it. that's some good ones i've had over the years because there's and it's not so easy to kick her out and by the there was a guy who said i missed one free. yeah but his nickname was by one which is great. there's that, there's football coach who always said to the team don't let name is oh come let me down his name is oh come on i don't how do you on i don't know. how do you follow let me tell about follow that. let me tell about tomorrow. and when it comes on the i see a not the show and i don't see a not a rees—mogg but headline is his next i'll see you tomorrow . next i'll see you tomorrow. at nine join me camilla tominey

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