well following the news that james harvey has been sacked by the prime minister , i'm going to the prime minister, i'm going to be speaking to michael portillo . what this means for the prime minister and indeed the beleaguered government . we're beleaguered government. we're also going to be speaking to jacob live from somerset to find out his reaction to the sacking . and we're going to have much, much tominey much more on the camilla tominey show morning. but here's show this morning. but here's the with . camilla

the news headlines with. camilla thank you. good morning. it's 9:30 on bethany elsey with your top stories. the gb newsroom as you've been hearing, nadhim zahawi has been sacked from the government over what prime minister described as a serious breach of the ministerial code. the tory party chair come under increasing pressure over his tax affairs after , admitting he paid affairs after, admitting he paid affairs after, admitting he paid a penalty to . he says the error a penalty to. he says the error over his shares in the polling company yougov was careless . the company yougov was careless. the housing secretary has admitted the faulty government guidance allowed the grenfell tower tragedy to happen? michael gove told the sunday times the government didn't police the whole system of building effectively enough . tomorrow mr. effectively enough. tomorrow mr. gove will announce a six week deadune gove will announce a six week deadline for developers to sign a contract to fix their unsafe homes or be banned from building new ones. the fire at the

residence hall tower block in west london in 2017 killed 72 people. the government will pubush people. the government will publish an urgent emergency care plan tomorrow to try and tackle pressures on the nhs . it comes pressures on the nhs. it comes as the health department on tap announced plans to build virtual caring for tens of thousands of elderly and vulnerable people at home. it's part of a strategy by the health department to shift some nhs care away from hospitals . the health secretary hospitals. the health secretary admitted there was no quick fix to the service but its immediate action would reduce waiting times . you're up to date on tv, times. you're up to date on tv, onune times. you're up to date on tv, online and dab. plus this is gb news. now it's back to camilla . news. now it's back to camilla. well, i do love the smell of breaking news on a sunday

morning. we've kind of torn up. what i was going to say this morning because we obviously now this breaking news of zarqawi sacking by the prime minister just give you the killer line in this letter from ten downing street. it is clear that there has been a serious breach of the ministerial code as a result of informed of my decision to remove your position in remove you from your position in his majesty's government. can be more clearer than that. we're going discussing that going to be discussing all that and got jacob and more. we've got jacob rees—mogg on the show, and more. we've got jacob ree new ogg on the show, and more. we've got jacob ree new gp. on the show, and more. we've got jacob ree new gp. new on the show, and more. we've got jacob ree new gp. new signing.a show, and more. we've got jacob ree new gp. new signing. he'sw, our new gp. new signing. he's going to be speaking to us a little later from somerset little later live from somerset . to hear his to . very interested to hear his to this breaking news. what's he going to be speaking to gerard lyons who boris , former lyons who is boris, former economics adviser jeremy economics adviser about jeremy hunt week that hunt statement in the week that now the time to cut taxes now wasn't the time to cut taxes and with the transgender debate continuing to rage in today's papers. i'm going to be speaking to leading feminist julie let's just take you through the headunes just take you through the headlines which sometimes can seem out of date even just hours after been published. the after been published. here's the front page of the sunday times. gove we share the blame for the

grenfell deaths in the sunday telegraph . hospitals at home telegraph. hospitals at home plan save nhs front of the mail goes with a royal the mail on sunday king to welby. i want harry at coronation the sunday mirror more tales of alleged tory sleaze top tories russian oil millions the observer it does have these a harvey story down page, but its main headline today is i saw children face and racism at asylum hotel the sun on sunday's covering a story about. on sunday's covering a story about . stars in three and bottle about. stars in three and bottle bust and then in the sun express rishi war over migrants. but actually as i bring in my paper review and michael portillo former defence secretary and my fellow gb news presenter actually i think rishi is at war over more than migrants. morning. we've torn up our original plans , the pay per original plans, the pay per view, haven't we, michael? and we're going straight into this

story. does feature and story. it does feature and the writing wall because writing was on the wall because this a long read sunday this is a long read the sunday times. there's about times. there's articles about his we were his future and we were discussing in the green room, weren't we, you thought it weren't we, that you thought it was be case of today was going to be a case of today that he would go? we did little promo a few moments ago and we said we thought wouldn't said that we thought wouldn't last and then we are a few last a day and then we are a few moments later he was and it's slightly way that the slightly curious or way that the papers more papers didn't have more of a smell of this about to happen. papers didn't have more of a sm do of this about to happen. papers didn't have more of a sm do we this about to happen. papers didn't have more of a sm do we assess)ut to happen. papers didn't have more of a sm do we assess it? to happen. papers didn't have more of a sm do we assess it? i» happen. papers didn't have more of a sm do we assess it? i think»en. papers didn't have more of a sm do we assess it? i think it's so do we assess it? i think it's a terrific blow against. the government and the prime minister , not so the losing minister, not so much the losing of the individual, although i think he did do distinguished work. example , during the work. for example, during the vaccinations campaign. but people hate the idea . a senior people hate the idea. a senior minister is filthy and not paying minister is filthy and not paying the taxes upfront and quickly and in the way that the rest of us feel that we have to pay rest of us feel that we have to pay our taxes. this is extremely toxic with the public . the toxic with the public. the second thing about it is that obviously rishi sunak is accused by some people of pursuing natural justice too far. yes.

that he wanted to go through the proper processes , which in a way proper processes, which in a way is very commendable . but this is very commendable. but this thing has been in the headlines now for and days and days, now for days and days and days, and doing terrible and it's been doing terrible damage government and to damage to the government and to the i think did have the party. i think you did have an to get of him earlier. the opportunity was that evidently nadhim zahawi had not been frank with the prime minister about what happened in the past and i might simply have said, well, i don't know yet what there is to find out here, but because you didn't tell , i think i'm didn't tell, i think i'm justified in sacking you straight can't work out straight away. i can't work out whether this all makes rishi sunak's look strong weaker sunak's look strong or weaker because yes, there's been an expedited process with bringing in salary. magnus have a look at it independently . but in salary. magnus have a look at it independently. but many people were saying at the beginning of week this beginning of the week this entire farrago is overshadowing everything trying do , everything you're trying to do, everything you're trying to do, everything hunt is everything that jeremy hunt is trying to announce. mean, trying to announce. i mean, you've this situation you've been in this situation where other news events overshadow your own central message . this a message. this has been a completely unwelcome distraction and there's some and curiously, there's some evidence that the prime minister

had his mind up some days had made his mind up some days ago, was talking ago, because when he was talking about that zahawi in the house of commons, he not refer to of commons, he did not refer to him my right honourable him as my right honourable friend. him as friend. he referred to him as the yeah, which is, you the minister yeah, which is, you know, pretty courteous , i'm know, pretty i'm courteous, i'm friendly, an almost friendly, i'm trying an almost discourteous way of talking about the house copies. so i, the prime minister, will face some criticism for having taken some criticism for having taken so it's been fortunate for him in a way that salary magnus has delivered obviously and on ambiguous finding which is absolutely crushing sentence in the letter that so let's just go to that finding in laurie magnus letter here to the prime minister . letter here to the prime minister. mr. zahawi failed to meet the requirement it's at paragraph 7.3 of the ministerial code if you're that way to declare any interest which might be thought to give rise to a conflict so it seems really clear in the independent mind here that there was a conflict of interest. there was a of the code. having said that , again, code. having said that, again, you could say, well, the minister see that most people

looking at it journalistically or otherwise could see that there was a gaping hole here. you know, i think you've answered your question of a moment haven't does this moment ago. haven't does this make rishi look strong a week? it to say this, but it pains to say this, but i think on the whole it makes him look weak . i think he must have look weak. i think he must have been biting, you know , kicking been biting, you know, kicking himself all week. that he decided to refer this to salary magnus rather than with a decision straight away, because that took the timing then out of his hands. i don't know whether he would have chosen to do it on a sunday morning, but we've had a sunday morning, but we've had a week's worth that. and by a week's worth of that. and by the it's like one shoe the way, it's like when one shoe drops, expect next to drops, you expect next to because now lots of people going to be about dominic raab to be talking about dominic raab and remind ourselves, he and just to remind ourselves, he is deputy prime is actually the deputy prime minister the minister as well as being the justice secretary. if there justice secretary. so if there is a second casualty in weeks, i would then, you know, that'll be another savage blow to the government . this government government. this government under rishi sunak's been here 100 days. yes and actually

there's been some long waits dunng there's been some long waits during the weekends, papers about his first hundred days in office and people were kind of criticising it for being too lacklustre and not interesting enough. lacklustre and not interesting enough . it'sjust lacklustre and not interesting enough . it's just become enough. it's just become interesting in last hour , interesting in the last hour, you quote of the week you picked the quote of the week again in tim again. zahawi was in tim shipman's long read in the sunday few ministerial sunday times. few ministerial colleagues believe zaharie will survive. well, he was very prescient on, that prediction. they are similarly pessimistic about for rob , the about prospects for rob, the deputy prime minister. you did just there, michael, again , just him there, michael, again, i mean, to have one minister kind of embroiled in a scandal is careless . you know, to find is careless. you know, to find two is positively suicidal . this two is positively suicidal. this is difficult, isn't it? his deputy prime minister. i appreciate he's before proven guilty, but trouble is, more accusations have come to light. it doesn't look good for him at all. the. the prime minister getting his letters, isn't he, by reasserting commitment that he made when he became prime minister to integrity in government. so having that , it's government. so having that, it's going to be quite difficult for him to assert that someone who

may be found guilty of bullying should continue in the government. so again, i think the expectation you read out that paragraph in the sunday times, i think the expected action is that dominic raab may not last very long. no let's look already . sunday not last very long. no let's look already. sunday mail on sunday, page two. we're looking at runners and riders apparently there was this away day at chequers on thursday and a few cabinet ministers jockeying cabinet ministers were jockeying for position. there's a vacancy now clear an open vacancy. can i propose something, michael? this might be to you, but let's just put it out there. tory chairman more than a year out from a election, you need a very solid campaigner in that role. is this the moment that boris johnson stages a comeback ? boris johnson stages a comeback? boris johnson is undoubtedly the best election winner in british politics today. and there are people who think the conservative party has been unwise to get rid of him as leader and prime minister but he is still embroiled in a number of very difficult situations.

one of them is over the appointment of , richard sharpe appointment of, richard sharpe at the bbc. another one still goes back to whether he misled house during the partygate and covid the stuff. also there is an account at all that he would completely overshadow the prime minister . and so for those three minister. and so for those three reasons, i'm going to say absolutely not. they're facing potentially sort of electoral annihilation. you'll be familiar with how horrific and humiliating that might be for a number of these on election night. i mean , the polls are night. i mean, the polls are looking dreadful for them . we looking dreadful for them. we saw the gb news poll this week said that the labour party won 50 and that the tories were 22% behind. yes. so there's mountain to climb. i understand all of that, but i think this horse has bolted. i mean, if the conservative party wanted boris johnson win the for them, johnson to win the for them, they should have kept him as leader. well, indeed, he might have for them, have won the election for them, or he might lost or at least he might have lost it very which i think it very badly, which i think it's a probable. it it's a more probable. was it a mistake, michael, to get rid of him everything him in light of everything that's happened let alone

that's happened today, let alone the last 100 days? the was in a very, very difficult position. but you want me to say yes or but if you want me to say yes or no, think they would have they no, i think they would have they would less under would have lost less badly under bofis would have lost less badly under boris under rishi. thank boris than under rishi. thank you very much. that's michael portillo, who'll with you at portillo, who'll be with you at 11:00 today. he's going to make a studio to the a mad from the studio to the other studio paddington. now other studio in paddington. now the people's panel. i'm sure will have their opinions on what has just happened in the last houn paul has just happened in the last hour. paul hawkins is in milton keynes. forget , if you keynes. don't forget, if you want to apply, you can go to gb news dot uk forward slash panel. paul know what the paul dying to know what the people of milton keynes of people of milton keynes make of what's in the last hour what's happened in the last hour . yeah. morning, commander , and . yeah. morning, commander, and welcome to milton keynes with . welcome to milton keynes with. the of cafe . it's sunday the calibre of cafe. it's sunday morning. nice, quiet . and then morning. nice, quiet. and then the conservative party chairman's been sacked. so let's find out what the people think. then let's start with steph. steph, how you feeling this morning about nadeem zahabi being sacked? well i think he should have gone straight away . should have gone straight away. i mean it's not setting a good example is it, if he's the

chairman and chumps or when he was chancellor to negotiate was the chancellor to negotiate your burden . yeah. and your tax burden. yeah. and what does what you it says and does it what do you it says and i'm really interested finding thinks well because you're a former member but former conservative member but now joined reform is that now you joined reform is that right? yeah. so what does it say about? for various reasons, we should add. what it say should add. but what does it say about judgement rishi about the judgement of rishi singh? it's really poor singh? well it's really poor judgement actually. he obviously knew what was going on and then not to, to get rid of them straight away is, is poor, very poor peter had been here . poor that peter had been here. former physicist peter, former laser physicist peter, how are you feeling about what you said that being said and the was it richie sorry it's nadhim zahawi he's got sort i think it's a real that a quality good has to go. yeah but he should have resigned and you know, people that are high earners , people that are high earners, they all use tax advisers of one sort and another. so it's just he's been caught out , but he he's been caught out, but he should have known better . we should have known better. we need to pay the penalty. this is

this is him being sacked for breaking the ministerial code, something a little bit different, you know, the ministerial shouldn't different, you know, the miiinterial shouldn't different, you know, the miiin a rial shouldn't different, you know, the miiin a position shouldn't different, you know, the miiin a position of shouldn't different, you know, the miiin a position of and uldn't be in a position of and certainly as a former chancellor i mean, it's pretty poor, actually. and it doesn't paint a good picture on the on the government whatsoever. but we have to move on. he's he's he should have resigned he's been fired. so rishi sunak's actually done the right . yeah. yeah. who done the right. yeah. yeah. who you like to see as chairman of the conservative party now. as chairman? well jacob rees—mogg . chairman? well jacob rees—mogg. jacob rees—mogg. perfect example. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah . he might have something to say about that one man who knows a thing or two about sticking to law is former policeman chris. chris nadhim zahawi it's i think was inevitable really should have stood down the very first place when there was a question mark about this whole issue , all mark about this whole issue, all this nonsense. it's distracted from a lot of core business over the last couple of days. i don't

think it was sustainable. i don't know too much about . the don't know too much about. the breaking the ministerial code and what that entail. breaking the ministerial code and what that entail . but and what that entail. but nonetheless, it's optics. it looks very poor. and again , looks very poor. and again, about standards and people perceive as being a high standard , especially in public standard, especially in public life , holding people to account life, holding people to account . and in the fact it's taken a few days, it's just it's huge. jaswant singh had said he was going to wait outcome of an investigation from his independent ethics adviser and. your man is used to investigations . as a former investigations. as a former policeman yourself, why didn't that more that happen? well, for more understanding, a lot of people in government saw this is kicking the can down the road to a certain extent and given breathing space. but the trouble is, of course, this the media, the press, you know, it's been front and centre every day since . and it's i mean, it's a lonely way, of course, until the final outcome shouldn't judge people just on rumours and speculation but the man is in high office and i think it should have taken

and i think it should have taken a step back and then await the outcome of the investigation. yeah all right, chris, steph, lisa , thank you. so the lisa, thank you. so the interesting thing, of course about all of this is that we're talking now about nadhim zahawi. perhaps he's being sacked as conservative and conservative party chairman and we're about those we're not talking about those four or five priorities that rishi sunak sets out. and he will hope that by drawing a line under this, by getting rid of muslims are these conservative parties, be to talk parties, you may be to talk about about about policy and not about internal conservative party politics ministerial politics and the ministerial code is in milton keynes. again, if you want to apply, go to gbnews.uk forward slash panel. oh, i'd love to hear your on what's happened this morning please . do email us at gb views please. do email us at gb views at gbnews.uk. now, peter in milton keynes thinks that jacob rees—mogg might make a good replacement for the team's a hallway. he joins me now. the former business secretary and mp former business secretary and mp for north—east somerset. jacob i hope you can hear me from there .thank hope you can hear me from there . thank you forjoining me on the sabbath . as a lapsed

the sabbath. as a lapsed catholic, i can do this, but i'm very grateful for your time. what's your reaction the news what's your reaction to the news that? prime minister that? the prime minister nadhim zahawi oh well, i feel very sorry for nadeem, who i think is a very decent man who was being a very decent man who was being a very decent man who was being a very successful businessman and an effective politician . and and an effective politician. and the report to show that he made some technical errors with his declaration of the ministerial code. declaration of the ministerial code . and the prime minister has code. and the prime minister has decided they were serious enough to fire him. so i feel sorry for the team's hallway , but i think the team's hallway, but i think that after it dominating the headunes that after it dominating the headlines for a week , the rule headlines for a week, the rule of politics is that if you do that, it's very hard to remain in office. and so the minister was under great pressure to get a new party chairman should have acted sooner though, jacob. i mean, it has the headlines. it's overpowered his own message. it's overshadowed jeremy hunt speech in the week, which i'm going to get on to with you in a

moment. this has gone too on, long, hasn't it? i mean? i think that's a very difficult question to answer, because you don't want prime ministers to be and replacing members of their cabinet the whole time . and this cabinet the whole time. and this is the second member of the cabinet who has has had to go after gavin williamson. that the opposition are always in the hunt for the next scalp. to so speak, and prime ministers have be aware of that. and there has to be reasonably high standard for resignations. to be reasonably high standard for resignations . there also has for resignations. there also has to be some to the team is around you, otherwise you won't loyalty in return . so i don't think it's in return. so i don't think it's as easy as saying as soon as there's any whiff of controversy, a must go otherwise you would find it very difficult to keep any ministers. although as a boris , you might say that as a boris, you might say that what goes around comes around. i mean, zimbabwe . among those who mean, zimbabwe. among those who brought boris johnson . down but

brought boris johnson. down but i don't think the was particularly actually mean he accepted the appointment as as chancellor he made that up briefly waive it overnight. but i don't think he was instrumental in bringing boris down as you know. i think it was a mistake. remove boris johnson, who was an excellent leader of the conservative and is the biggest figure in british political life, even out of office . should he be brought office. should he be brought back into the then as the new party chairman ? jacob . i think party chairman? jacob. i think it's very difficult to bring back boris johnson in a subordinate role that he's such a big figure that he would dominate any cabinet he was in, even as a less senior figure than prime minister. so i think that would be very hard to do, but he has all the right attributes for party chairman. he is charismatic , rallies the he is charismatic, rallies the troops. he's . a sort of fully troops. he's. a sort of fully loaded conservative. so i think

that type of personality would be very good. one for party chairman . well it doesn't sound chairman. well it doesn't sound like you're ruling it out . mean like you're ruling it out. mean peter in milton keynes. jacob is suggested that you might also fulfil that role when . it turned fulfil that role when. it turned out it was only called peter i thought perhaps one of my children had got on the line and was office for me, but it's very flash flattering him. but i, i think the prime minister needs to party chairman, if you at the most successful party chairman somebody who is very close to him politically so john major and chris patten were very effective team . margaret effective team. margaret thatcher was very effective with . cecil parkinson particularly and it is one of the really important roles , the run up to important roles, the run up to an election. so the prime minister would be well advised to have one of his closest allies in that role. are you that boris johnson isn't a close ally ? i mean, they work together ally? i mean, they work together very closely as chancellor, prime minister and as everyone keeps saying on the show this keeps on saying on the show this morning, is the

morning, boris johnson is the most effective campaigner, the tories, when they are tories, at a time when they are more than 20 points behind in the polls. jacob you've got say about the effectiveness of boris johnson's campaign is absolutely spot on. i mean he is extraordinarily charismatic stop their cars to, get out and talk to him and stop the vans and so on which they don't generally do for politicians, but . the prime for politicians, but. the prime minister and the former prime are inevitably not the closest political allies, just at the circumstances of the summer. yes and how about you, though, do you think actually this government is falling apart? you're better off out of it. maybe you don't want to re—enter the because the the fray because there is the kind stench of decline about kind of stench of decline about this government . oh, no. look, this government. oh, no. look, i'm a loyal conservative. i want the conservative to do well. i want rishi sunak to well, i'm supporting him as leader of the party. i don't think changing leader is a sensible thing to do. i think changing leader last

year does nothing but damage so now he has my support i want him to succeed and the tory party has recovered from worst positions than this in the past just. remember where we were on may 2019 when we had the worst election result in our history and went on to win a majority of 81? i'm sure there are more bad election results to come in may , but on that subject you say that he's the prime minister, but he's not the tory members prime minister, is he? we heard from jake earlier in the from jake berry earlier in the week the membership week suggesting the membership should have been given a confirmation vote, as confirmation vote, presumably as very much. the party mad you would agree that . i don't see would agree that. i don't see the point in a confirmation . i the point in a confirmation. i don't see where that gets you that if there's only one candidate a bit north korean, if you then have a vote, what am in favour of is party members maintaining right to elect maintaining their right to elect the leader of the conservative party? i think that's fundamentally think fundamentally important. i think democrats people democrats, that's why people join conservative party and join the conservative party and i think who want to take it purely to amp is ignore the history of last year. the

problem last year wasn't caused by the members of the party in, the country at large. it was caused by members of parliament. but the trouble is, is that the tory membership don't really want rishi they wanted liz want rishi sunak they wanted liz truss regardless how that truss regardless of how that ended up , they don't like ended up, they also don't like some policies . some of these policies. presumably don't like them . presumably you don't like them. the that jeremy hunt the idea that jeremy hunt appears the week talking about the and then rules out the economy and then rules out tax cuts, you be tearing your hair out as a conserver tive. the mere notion of six further% on tax. for instance , you can't on tax. for instance, you can't back up any of these governmental because you don't agree with them. jacob let's be honest . well i'm not that great honest. well i'm not that great while i'm tearing her out, really. but your point is a perfectly reasonable one. i think that the increase in corporation tax may well lead to lower rates of revenue coming in, that the decrease in corporation led to a very significant increase in corporation tax revenues . i

corporation tax revenues. i think they went up by 50. so i think they went up by 50. so i think you need to look at taxation sensibly and where the laffer works and where it doesn't . that seems to be quite doesn't. that seems to be quite good evidence that. it works in terms of corporation tax . and terms of corporation tax. and bearin terms of corporation tax. and bear in mind when george osborne corporation tax , he had done a corporation tax, he had done a dynamic assessment of , the dynamic assessment of, the effect it would have, which is unusual for the treasury. the treasury usually does it on a static basis when that's why he came to conclusion cutting came to conclusion that cutting the actually benefit the tax would actually benefit the tax would actually benefit the revenue. i've said many the revenue. so i've said many times, so, jeremy, that is sorry . well, jeremy hunt's making a mistake then because he's the one who said the only tax cut that the public needs right now is a cut to inflation. it to me, like you're saying that he should axe decision to add 6% to corporation tax in march budget . i think i think cutting corporation tax would make the pubuc corporation tax would make the public finances and the economy rather than weaker as a general

rule. however, i'm not in favour of unfunded tax cuts . i think of unfunded tax cuts. i think they need to go hand in glove with cutting government expenditure. the state is and taxing too much money and it's not even delivering the services that people want. i think a lot of this people working from home and therefore services are not of the standard they should be but that we to get the size of the state under control and then have the tax burden that is necessary to afford that, rather than thinking that the state get bigger and bigger and poor, hard pressed taxpayers can pay more and because they can't . and more because they can't. okay, so a cut in spending might be needed. now, finally, i'd like ask you about your new gb news show. jacob, what are you going who are you going to be doing? who are you going to be doing? who are you going speaking what's going to be speaking to what's going to be speaking to what's going to be speaking to what's going to the scene and the going to be the scene and the look show ? well, i'm very look of the show? well, i'm very excited to be doing it . i look of the show? well, i'm very excited to be doing it. i think gb news such a fantastic outlet supporter of freedom of speech and close to it's viewers and listeners. and i think that's

important. i think what you're doing in milton keynes today. and so it shows the rapport that gb news has with its viewers and that's what i want to build on so i want be a program that people watching is on their side representing them, battling for the things that they believe in. and i hope to have a wide range of guests coming on. i hope that people will come on who disagree with me because very shaken relations with . that's brilliant relations with. that's brilliant and more fun than those who agree . thank you very much, agree. thank you very much, jacob. we look forward to the new show. coming up, gerard lyons, julie and the people's panel after this .

well, there's still a lot more to come today on the camilla tominey show. i'm to be speaking shortly to dr. gerard , boris shortly to dr. gerard, boris johnson's former economics adviser on the state of the economy and jeremy hunt speech in the week . most are going to in the week. most are going to be speaking to leading feminist juue be speaking to leading feminist julie bindal a bit later in the show about the stories surrounding transgender inmate. but first, here's the news headunes but first, here's the news headlines with bethany elsey .

headlines with bethany elsey. camilla, thank you. good morning . it's 10:01. i'm camilla, thank you. good morning . it's10:01. i'm bethany elsey in the gb newsroom the dim zahawi has been sacked from the government after an ethics inquiry found a serious breach of the ministerial code. the former tory party chair has come under increasing pressure over his tax affairs after admitting he paid a penalty to hmrc for an error linked to his shares in the polling company yougov. following an inquiry by the independent ethics adviser sir laurie magnus , it's been laurie magnus, it's been confirmed it was his lack of reasonable care that's led to removal from government. rishi sunak said he must keep his pledge to have integrity professional and accountability at every level. jacob rees—mogg says if a story dominates politics so long, the minister must . the report to show that he must. the report to show that he made some technical errors with his declaration of the ministerial code and the prime minister has decided that they were serious enough to . fire

were serious enough to. fire him. so feel sorry for nadine's hallway . but i think that after hallway. but i think that after it dominating the headlines for a week , the rule of politics is a week, the rule of politics is that if you do that, it's very hard to remain in office. the housing secretary has admitted that faulty government guidance allowed the grenfell tower tragedy to happen. michael gove told sunday times the government didn't police the whole system of building effectively enough . of building effectively enough. tomorrow mr. gove will announce six week deadline for developers , sign a contract to fix their unsafe towers or be banned from building new homes. the fire at the residential tower block in west london in 2017 killed 72 people. boris johnson was reportedly told to stop richard sharpe for advice about his personal financial matters just two weeks before he was announced as the new chair of the bbc . according to the sunday the bbc. according to the sunday times . mr. johnson he was the times. mr. johnson he was the prime minister at the time, was

warned by officials stop discussions in december 2020. the former banker is facing calls to resign . it emerged he calls to resign. it emerged he introduced the prime to a guarantor for a loan and the government will publish an urgent emergency care plan tomorrow to try and tackle on the nhs. it comes as the health department have announced plans to build virtual beds caring for tens of thousands elderly and vulnerable people at home. it's part of a strategy by the health department to shift some care away from hospitals . the health away from hospitals. the health secretary admitted there was no quick fix to the service , but quick fix to the service, but this immediate action would reduce waiting times . you're up reduce waiting times. you're up to date on tv, online and dab, plus radio . this is tv news now. plus radio. this is tv news now. it's back to camilla . it's back to camilla. well, welcome back to the

camilla tominey show, as well as gerard lyons, who i'm going to speak to in just a moment. and the feminist julie bindal. we've got wry old ding dong to come got a wry old ding dong to come in generation gap. got in the generation gap. we've got a former ukip boomer versus , a a former ukip boomer versus, a maniac millennial, so that should be interesting. we're also going to get to the also going to get back to the people's panel of milton keynes also going to get back to the peop but panel of milton keynes also going to get back to the peop but dr. |el of milton keynes also going to get back to the peop but dr. gerardiilton keynes also going to get back to the peop but dr. gerard lyons

difference between conservatives and labour is that we cut taxes when we can they never do and that's because we recognise that a low tax economy is one of the vital ingredients for dynamism. entrepreneurial ism to encourage people to take risks. and that's why want to do it when the time is right . so that why want to do it when the time is right. so that was jeremy hunt speaking on friday at bloomberg hq, ruling out tax , bloomberg hq, ruling out tax, even though the tory membership, tory voters and the wider electorate having seen the squeeze on their finances , are squeeze on their finances, are desperate for taxes to be cut. what's your reaction to it gerard? are they right to want taxes to be cut? and is the chancellor wrong ? well, good chancellor wrong? well, good morning. it's great to be on the show. well, in terms of tax cuts, it's amazing how in this debate, taxes always come and centre was the reality is centre stage was the reality is that have to seen that taxes have to be seen in the context of overall economy. and depends on economic and it depends on economic condition. for instance , last condition. for instance, last autumn, the chancellor raised

taxes. it's like putting the foot on the brake in the car. now that's the course for him to cut taxes by many people that's like putting the first on the accelerator but whether you put the on the brake or the the foot on the brake or the accelerator on overall accelerator depends on overall conditions degree, as conditions over degree, as indeed chancellor did , but indeed the chancellor did, but the taxes do need to the idea that taxes do need to come what you to at the come is about what you to at the moment the room for manoeuvre is probably limited. coming back probably limited. so coming back to your question, is it the thing he be thing that he should be immediately? probably not. but the is that taxes do need the point is that taxes do need to start to be reduced . but when to start to be reduced. but when we talk about the economy , taxes we talk about the economy, taxes are just one lever. taxes need to be seen within the context of overall economic conditions. so coming back to your question, as i say, i wouldn't agree with the idea taxes need to go up. taxes are very high . whether this is are very high. whether this is the time to cut taxes , i think the time to cut taxes, i think it's more a case that need to stabilise the economy. but as he also touched on, it's about reducing inflation as well . can reducing inflation as well. can we talk about corporation tax because rees—mogg has come because rees—mogg has just come on his whether that is the

on and his whether that is the tax put up come march when it tax to put up come march when it comes the budget. mean i comes to the budget. i mean i know there's huge debate about know there's a huge debate about this and people talk about the laffer curve and when corporation cut the corporation tax was cut the receipts to get go up also receipts seem to get go up also in post—brexit environment, in this post—brexit environment, we're to be paying we're meant to be paying competitive against likes competitive against the likes germany and france that are famed for their high corporation tax rates . is it famed for their high corporation tax rates. is it a mistake shaving another 6% off already fragile postcode covid profits are okay. last autumn there was pressure to raise taxes too. taxing that i didn't think were justified with national insurance. the market and economists agreed that the tax increase that is now about to be implemented this corporation tax going up . now the challenge with going up. now the challenge with it is this when corporation tax was reduced 25 to 19, the tax was reduced 25 to 19, the tax was widened. yes. now corporation tax rate is going up. it's going up on that wider tax base . so it's hurting tax base. so it's hurting business costs, business competitiveness , hard. what many competitiveness, hard. what many are calling for, for instance,

the of british industry and would agree with them is that okay you're putting corporation tax up that's not great but don't take all the other allowances as well and that's also happening and it's not receiving enough attention . so receiving enough attention. so if you put the corporation tax rate and the chancellor would say he has to, i would disagree. but you then argue for in my view is to actually make sure the allowances that were there before remain in place, the so—called super deduct to encourage firms to invest. but the important thing is that we do need to look at taxes in context of the economy overall, the way would describe the economy at moment is the economy at the moment is the good and the uncertain, good the bad and the uncertain, the that inflation, the good is that inflation, although very , is set although it's very, is set to come down sharply this year and that will help the economy in the half of the year. the the second half of the year. the bad is the economy is bad is that the economy is currently very fragile, very bad is that the economy is currenveryary fragile, very bad is that the economy is currenvery vulnerable very bad is that the economy is currenvery vulnerable and is not weak, very vulnerable and is not going to have much growth , if going to have much growth, if any at all, in the first half of the year. the uncertainty is where inflation comes down to. another uncertainty is what the bank of england does, and they

meet week to decide on meet this week to decide on interest rates should interest rates and what should they do. view they should they do. my view they should leave unchanged and leave rates unchanged and interest rates are three and a half % of the economy is already half% of the economy is already slowing weak inflation has slowing or weak inflation has peaked and is to fall previous rate hikes are set to feed through and the bank of england is already going to be tightening anyway through reversing quantitative easing that taking liquidity out of that is taking liquidity out of the economy . but because the the economy. but because the bank of england got it so wrong two years ago, they feel they need to prove their toughness . need to prove their toughness. so the likelihood is that they will probably still raise rates, interest of three and a half% i they should stay there pause there plateaued. they're not peaked they're but the bank might well raise rates this week to 3.75% or to 4. so unfortunate if you're borrowing if your leveraged interest rates are going to go higher. but the point is that , the economy faces point is that, the economy faces many challenges at the moment. and coming back to your broader question tax cuts, that's question about tax cuts, that's part of the issue . but my

part of the issue. but my personal view is that while i favour the idea of lower taxes . favour the idea of lower taxes. i don't think that's the centre stage issue at moment. and stage issue at the moment. and i heard the chance to speak on friday afternoon as well. he was speaking at an event, was attending anglo—french attending the anglo—french british french event , and he was british french event, and he was talking there about all the ease, employment enterprise everywhere , everybody. the thing everywhere, everybody. the thing is, it was more of intent . what is, it was more of intent. what we're talking about here is that actions are needed and would say that this is probably the best to view. this is the run up to the budget in mid—march march and we do need to see actions. a plan for growth is really necessary, some substance over perhaps of sound bites perhaps some of the sound bites you mentioned. the bank of you just mentioned. the bank of england there. i mean, there are mixed on this. i know you mixed views on this. i know you also some economic also provided some economic advice truss while she advice to liz truss while she was prime minister. was briefly prime minister. i mean, really shafted mean, who really shafted homeowners it came to homeowners when it came to interest rates. was it bank of england governor andrew bailey or was it liz truss and kwasi kwarteng? okay, well, i only saw her twice before she became

prime minister, as warned prime minister, as you warned against unfunded tax cuts. yeah. once went into downing once she went into downing street i'm fortunate didn't street i'm fortunate i didn't see again at the markets, see her again at the markets, but then you could have done anything. you probably just answered question is very answered your question is very valid markets in valid point. the markets were in a febrile state then and a very febrile state then and part the the markets part of the reason the markets were very febrile state were in the very febrile state back in the autumn was because they were very worried about inflation. and part of the blame that coming your that does. coming back to your question of the of question life of the bank of england chancellor then and england the chancellor then and the prime minister, they should have that and have been mind of that and should taken on what should have taken on what the markets saying. it back markets are saying. and it back to jeremy hunt at the beginning. if you at does he need to if you at who does he need to keep on side? there's naturally the general there's the general public there's business had to ask about corporation there's also corporation tax and there's also the markets i think the financial markets i think still is i won't say worrying about the financial markets are now very stable, but we need to move on from that. you argue that, okay, he's established his credibility in the eyes of the markets. what we now need to see in the next few weeks in the run

up to the budget is more real. skin on the bone about a plan for growth and that will address the concerns of the general pubuc the concerns of the general public and business community. jesse to break in just for a gerald. sorry, just because obviously we're on a live news program that's breaking news from hall where he's from james hall where he's a letter to the prime minister, where he's thanked him for his kind in this kind words. i arrived in this country persecution and country fleeing persecution and speaking english. he said speaking no english. he said that he made his business here. he made his life here he is. i am concerned about the from some of the fourth estate in recent weeks , in a week when the member weeks, in a week when the member of parliament was physically assaulted, i fail to see how one headune assaulted, i fail to see how one headline on this issue the news titles reflect legitimate scrutiny and public officials. i'm to , family. i'm sorry to, my family. the toll has taken on them. a toll it has taken on them. a very personal letter from the teams, a hallway response to teams, a hallway in response to having been sacked this morning by the prime minister. did you have dealings with have a had any dealings with muslims when muslims a hallway i met him when he was chancellor, yes. so i didn't make all the chances, but i didn't really have any deaungs i didn't really have any dealings with him. chief do you

think on this sometimes think on this issue sometimes it's you said it's a interesting you said about hunt in business, about jeremy hunt in business, do always understand do politicians always understand economic mix adequately? i say that because we've got a businessman here who's made multi—billion pounds and the politics of what's happened with this tax affairs has been deeply damaging . so damaging it's cost damaging. so damaging it's cost him his job. we had jeremy hunt when he gave his autumn statement describing , for statement describing, for instance, dividends received by company bosses as on an income that suggests to me that sometimes politicians can be a little bit economically illiterate. is that fair comment? well, it would be wrong to generalise completely, but i think you're right about the need to really understand not only the policies, but also how they implement people and firms . but often it's about the explanation and the execution of the issues of the policies . but the issues of the policies. but in terms of whoever they the real issue is this coming back from the individuals since 2008, the uk economy has become a low

growth economy. the event i was at on thursday, friday and saturday, we tend to think here in the uk all these issues are just us, the french. i will speaking to were saying how the french economy is in deep trouble, that people were saying coming from paris to london is like coming from a third world city to a first world city. we tend to think everything is terrible here. the unfortunate issue that in western issue is this, that in western europe, economies are europe, the major economies are in the same boat that doesn't make easy for whoever is in make it easy for whoever is in power here in the uk at the moment. but we have to address up these and therefore we can't solve it overnight . although solve it overnight. although it's interesting, there isn't much government pushback. for instance against the likes of mark carney , former bank of mark carney, former bank of england governor who often quite willing to stand and start criticising the uk. i notice in the press. yeah. and he says that the uk is in the most difficult position of the major economies full. saying economies full. you're saying that no the picture isn't good across europe ? well mark carney across europe? well mark carney often about this in the context often about this in the context of brexit, the reality is that

the issues challenging the uk economy predate brexit and the solution is not going to be solved by going back, for instance, into the eu now some people say that brexit has made them worse . i would disagree. them worse. i would disagree. certainly at the crisis in 2016 to 2019 didn't help and has framed the debate . at the same framed the debate. at the same time, the government really needs to follow through . brexit needs to follow through. brexit itself was an event how we address it in terms of economic and financial terms , a process. and financial terms, a process. so it's not just it's what you do. so coming back to mark carney's question, it's a challenge facing not just the western world, but western in particular. what we see the markets at the moment are more optimistic about the global economy . that's partly because economy. that's partly because america's likely to have a soft landing . china is now opening up landing. china is now opening up . when you actually look at the world economy , the western world economy, the western europe the moment when we europe at the moment when we joined the eu, for instance, back 1973, it's for 26% of

back in 1973, it's for 26% of the world economy . now, western the world economy. now, western europe, the major economies of about 20% of the world economy pretty important still. but in 25 years time, western europe , 25 years time, western europe, whether you agree with the eu or not, is going to be about 10% of the world economy. india is going to be a bigger economy . going to be a bigger economy. that's the real and see where we are coming back to carney's point , the challenge is that in point, the challenge is that in western europe, especially with ageing populations, we not ageing populations, we are not achieving the economic growth that we to achieve. that's that we need to achieve. that's why we need to have sensible growth policies . taxes are part growth policies. taxes are part of this , but we shouldn't always of this, but we shouldn't always make tax the most important issue. fundamental issues. we need to be investing more . hence need to be investing more. hence your question though about corporation is important. businesses to be encouraged businesses need to be encouraged to invest . they need to be to invest. they need to be investing in keeping jobs. to invest. they need to be investing in keeping jobs . and investing in keeping jobs. and of the general public of course, the general public need being need to see inflation being brought down by bank of england. that gets top of the problem that gets on top of the problem . that's two people this . so that's two people this morning basically said morning who have basically said scrap the corporation tax rise. thank much for that. thank you very much for that. dr. . thanks for joining

dr. gerard. thanks forjoining me this morning. well, let's go back people panel now. back to our people panel now. paul is in milton paul hawkins is in milton keynes. i'm very intrigued to know, paul, what people there make of jacob rees—mogg saying he feels sorry for the diems, the holloway . yeah, i was just the holloway. yeah, i was just wondering that myself. comment. let's find out, shall we? let's speak to steph , first of all. speak to steph, first of all. steph we'll go through this letter that's just out from the team zahabi in just a moment, especially the penultimate paragraph. first of do you paragraph. first of all, do you agree with jacob rees—mogg, do you feel sorry for nadeem zahawi? . i have mixed zahawi? no. well. i have mixed feelings, actually. i think all politicians should make their house is in order and be very clear that that the above any criticism. but also i do think that we need start concentrating on politics and not the individuals. we need to focus on getting the done and not be a personality. you know cult anymore . we really need to get anymore. we really need to get on with the job and make the

economy you know right ? yeah. economy you know right? yeah. yes. peter it was just it was as jacob rees—mogg out. it was it was a technical error and he feels very sorry for the former chancellor technical error. i don't agree with and essentially you know people that earn a lot of money, pay a lot of tax and they use independent advisers, financial to try and avoid the talks . but then when you're talks. but then when you're talking about millions of pounds in tax of course you know all look at these whether it's legal or illegal they get advice and it unfortunately he's been caught out . you know he's caught out. you know he's obviously had a business he sheltered talks and believed gibraltar. it used be places like isle of mine guernsey looks so forth but that all got changed and people had to declare these things. so he's not made a mistake. he's probably been advising used to do this and hopefully equally

and innocent error. do this and hopefully equally and innocent error . there's no and innocent error. there's no such thing as an innocent error when you're dealing with such sums of money. so unfortunate he's been caught. inland revenues picked up on he's been fined is paid the fine. but let's not get away from. the fact that, you know, he's still you know things to do and he did a good job in government so you know why why penalise them beyond what he's already paid on a fine. peter, thank you. let's get a final word from chris. do you feel sorry for nadhim zahawi ? and also this this letter from nadhim zahawi to the prime minister saying, that talking about the conduct from some of the fourth estate in recent weeks. he's referring to the media and also when a member parliament was physically assaulted, he fails to see how one headline on the issue reflects legitimate scrutiny of his of his tax affairs. reflects legitimate scrutiny of his of his tax affairs . what his of his tax affairs. what i would say is people in that position they know that they're subject to scrutiny more than probably anyone else in the

country if subsequently he's vindicated in time, then obviously people are left to reflect on that . the trouble reflect on that. the trouble with this, of course, is that when we came here today , the when we came here today, the idea was to discuss the hot topics of the day. those topics are affecting the nation energy , fuel crisis , cost of living, , fuel crisis, cost of living, small boats, northern and brexit. those have been completely wiped off the table . completely wiped off the table. and we're talking about a man's tax affairs as important as it is. this not the main priority for . people is. this not the main priority for. people in the united kingdom . all right. thanks very kingdom. all right. thanks very , chris. steph and peter. so that's what the people's panel's saying in milton keynes at the moment. that's coming up. thank you much for that, paul. you see, it's your life. it's the fourth estate that have done this. i mean, a cabinet minister has to pay a £13 million penalty to hmrc.

has to pay a £13 million penalty to hmrc . and it's the penalty to hmrc. and it's the media's fault. i agree. if there's invective or unfair reporting. but come, let's get this into perspective. let's just read a couple of your emails. now, forget you emails. now, don't forget you can your views at gb can give us your views at gb views. at gbnews.uk desmond says, never mind. zahawi sunak should go as well . not a ringing should go as well. not a ringing endorsement of the prime action on this. sean says the in milton keynes all right. zahawi have resigned sooner before he sacked paying resigned sooner before he sacked paying his 5 million back is after the fact. well i think i disagree with that. i must be honest if you want to apply to next week's papers, don't forget you can apply at forward slash panel you can apply at forward slash panel. now, i'm delighted to be joined by leading feminist julie . it's been big week for feminism . indeed, this feminism. indeed, this transgender row . to fill the transgender row. to fill the newspapers and the column inches after adam graham and the decision at the last minute for nicholas sturgeon not to put him in a women's prison after well all he's a convicted all considering he's a convicted rapist. the latest on this rapist. now the latest on this is nicholas sturgeon now telling

the some gender reform the scotsman some gender reform critics rights are critics using women's rights are hiding bigotry. she said that some of these people , yourself some of these people, yourself included, julie, i imagine you're cloaking yourself in women's rights to hide your bigotry . you're not just pretty bigotry. you're not just pretty but bigoted by the way, you may also be a transphobe quite an extraordinary allegation levelled against lesbian, but we'll come to that in a moment. and you might be a racist. that's right. and we are bigots and all of a sudden . after in my and all of a sudden. after in my case. the case many of the case. in the case many of the feminists that i work with on this after more than four this issue after more than four decades of campaigning, end male violence women and, violence against women and, girls rape, domestic violence the murder of women and girls forced , marriage, you name it, forced, marriage, you name it, we've against it. we are only involved in this struggle in this war that we didn't want to start because we don't want men in single sex spaces because they pose a danger. now, when say men, i include those men that identify as trans. they are still men. they still perpetrate

sex and other crimes against women girls, as do non transgender defined men. and so that's why we have legislation and policy which says we can have our own hospital boards, prison wings , refuges changing prison wings, refuges changing sports facilities. it's not because we ever said all men are rapists. it's because we recognise through credible research all the world that enough men, a large enough minority of men, do perpetrate crimes against women and girls. therefore we need our own spaces. so this is not about keeping men, keeping trans women out of women's and the like. it's about keeping out of women's prisons and that should include male prison . and when include male prison. and when you talk about that, obviously the transgender community will say this guy , graham, he say this guy, graham, he identifies as isla bryson , he identifies as isla bryson, he has got the right to do that. obviously if he was up in scotland, he would be to do that with this new gender recognition

system and he'd be able just simply declare that because he's over doesn't need any over 16. he doesn't need any medical no medical medical intervention, no medical at all. he's to do that. we now read and i think you've also looked into this, that there's another crimean nnrl, somebody who was assaulted , 13 year old who was assaulted, 13 year old girl in, the same situation as adam graham . what's your adam graham. what's your response to that case? what kind of world do we live in where convicted rapists and sex offenders are being placed on the female estate when? we know that the vast majority of those women in prison are highly vulnerable. their vulnerable. whatever their crimes , and most ended in crimes, and most have ended in prison as a direct or result of men's violence in childhood to adulthood. now i actually would say that there is no space, no place , all for any man . they're place, all for any man. they're convicted sex offenders or not, in women's prisons and women only spaces . and the idea that only spaces. and the idea that gender identity somehow trumps sex is . it's because of men's sex is. it's because of men's violence that we have single sex exemptions, that we have right

to these spaces and. the vast majority of male sex offenders are not ever convicted . they are not ever convicted. they usually never even arrested. so why would it be safe to have any man in women's prisons? and as i say, i include male prison officers in that. let's just clarify that point. obviously adam graham has undergone surgery or anything and he is a offender. yes. what about a transgender woman who had undergone alignment surgery , who undergone alignment surgery, who had got a certificate, who hadnt had got a certificate, who hadn't necessarily committed any crimes against maybe they were in for fraud or something that was non violent offence. how would you feel about person being placed in a woman's prison in exactly the same way as i would about a man who had committed any crime and who seems like a really nice chap who decides that he's going to get changed next to a 1415 year old girl in a sports. it's

get changed next to a 1415 year old girl in a sports . it's not old girl in a sports. it's not because we say that they are rapists or they are sex offenders. it's because we recognise that enough that minority of men that are pose a danger to women and girls. but also we have to look at the fear that women experience when we see a man who shouldn't be there in a space that's supposed be designated single sex because of our vulnerability hospital prisons and the like, but does post—op make a difference? no, not all. i think it's obviously you know, it just adds , you you know, it just adds, you know, fuel to the fire when talking about some bloke walking around with his penis visible through his clothing . even in through his clothing. even in the case of karen white, another trans identified male, his actual penis visible per say on actual penis visible per say on a prison wing. actual penis visible per say on a prison wing . of course it a prison wing. of course it does. it instils more fear in women , but may then , including women, but may then, including those that identify transgender, commit acts of sexual violence every . single piece of research, every. single piece of research, including our government's research has shown to the same

extent in the pattern as do men that involve that have not undergone any of gender reassignment, including those that socially . and i think it's that socially. and i think it's an absolute obscenity that . we an absolute obscenity that. we put the so—called rights of who just identify as women, when we know that not every single listening to this knows they're not women of both the rights and the wellbeing of women who were already vulnerable. but this is how the dialogue changed, hasn't it? and i this is a that it? and i think this is a that nicholas sturgeon and some of her supporters are sort of failed answer who is it? who failed to answer who is it? who decides ultimately identity decides ultimately the identity of any given person because there will be trans people watching this who consider a watching this who consider you a tough consider you tough yes. who consider you a bigot as . virgin has. yes bigot as. virgin has. yes distinctive. you and j.k. rowling and others who say, look, if man identifies a woman, then you are his human rights, your eroding, his right to be seen equally to woman kind. i don't care men to trans

identified already have rights. they have men's rights. i do not care if . they're offended. and i care if. they're offended. and i also don't care if any man wishes to use a female name, wear a skirt and claim that he is a woman. let him fill your boots. but he's not. and we know all women know that the only reason why we have single sex spaces and sex based rights in law and policy is because of men's violence . if men stop men's violence. if men stop raping and killing us, if men stop beating us in relationships, stop being a dangen relationships, stop being a danger, stop posing danger, we won't care . it doesn't matter won't care. it doesn't matter until that . then we have to have until that. then we have to have our facilities in order to protect the most of us from violence. once you're of why nicholas sturgeon is pushing this so hard? because we obviously associate her with the independence campaign. this is now proving a massive distraction . and this rhetoric distraction. and this rhetoric in the newspapers this morning about it might actually be the end political tenure. end of her political tenure. i hope hope i think

hope so. i hope so. i think nicholas sturgeon is a disgrace. i think this all about i think this is all about political she political expediency. she looking at getting plaudits. she wants to be seen as the kind exclusive person she wants to be praised by. all of those that don't give a about rights, because, of course, that's really unfashionable to be a feminist and say men do commit acts of violence and this is wrong is a deeply and unpopular thing say people it gets their hackles rising and i've known this for over 40 years of feminism nicholas sturgeon is anything but a feminist? she's a betrayal of women. she's a disgrace . and i do hope that disgrace. and i do hope that this ends her political and that it serves a warning to all the other postures that after her. well, let's talk about other political posturing, because my analysis of you would be that you've always been on the left, and yet the left seems to have been found wanting on this issue. we saw the behaviour towards duffield in the towards rosie duffield in the house last week. towards rosie duffield in the house then last week. towards rosie duffield in the house then got last week. towards rosie duffield in the house then got this last week. towards rosie duffield in the house then got this bizarre ek. we've then got this bizarre situation where likes of

situation where the likes of keir starmer others can't keir starmer and others can't seem whether woman can seem to define whether woman can or can't have a penis, whether woman doesn't have a woman does or doesn't have a cervix . i mean, as a lefty, if cervix. i mean, as a lefty, if i may call you that julie gould, what shall your analysis of how the left are handling this issue? well, i do that we have to separate the labour party and its current administration from the left in general. you know, the left in general. you know, the does not belong to the left does not belong to those misogyny men who those misogyny stick men who claim that speak for left claim that speak for the left and.the claim that speak for the left and. the right has let women to down drastically and horrendous over the years with taking away from refuges and from failing to recognise that women have vulnerabilities when it comes to male violence , attacking single male violence, attacking single mothers taking away benefits that leave women extremely vulnerable. so the right is no friend to women. the left needs a kick right up their backside and rosie duffield , who's a dear and rosie duffield, who's a dear friend of mine, who was a darling of the labour party, rightly so, because she spoke publicly about her domestic abuse situation and standing up

to the abuse she has been treated . i would say treated. i would say sadistically and. i think that anyone, despite views on this issue, despite whether you sit on the left or the right, should speak in support of rosie because it's the way that she has been treated that has deterred the women on the left that should know better. yes, that should know better. yes, that should know better. yes, that should be speaking out fully and publicly in support of rosie and in support women's rights. julie pendle , you very rights. julie pendle, you very much indeed forjoining me this much indeed for joining me this . morning. well, coming up, got to write brexit. ding dong to come in our generation gap . come in our generation gap. we're also going to be speaking to stephen nolan who's a co—writer and voice of image. all that's after the news headunes all that's after the news headlines with bethenny lc . headlines with bethenny lc. camilla, thank you. good morning. it's 10:30. camilla, thank you. good morning. it's10:30. i'm bethany elsey in the gb newsroom. nadhim zahawi has been sacked from the government after an inquiry found a serious breach of the ministerial code . the former

ministerial code. the former tory party chair faced questions over his tax affairs after admitting he paid a penalty to for an error linked to his shares in the polling company yougov. in a letter , mr. zahawi yougov. in a letter, mr. zahawi assured the prime minister he'll continue to support the government from , the government from, the backbenches, in the coming years . the housing secretary has admitted faulty government guidance allowed the grenfell tower tragedy happen. michael gove the whole system of building safety wasn't policed effectively . he's expected to effectively. he's expected to announce six week deadline for developers tomorrow, forcing them to sign a contract to either fix their unsafe homes or be banned from building new ones. the fire at the residential tower block in west london in 2017 killed 72 people. the government publish an urgent emergency care plan tomorrow to try and tackle pressures on the nhs. it comes as. the health department have announced plans to build virtual beds, caring tens of thousands of elderly and

vulnerable people at home. the health secretary admitted there was no quick fix, but this immediate action would reduce wait . europe date on tv, online wait. europe date on tv, online and tv plus radio. this is tv news. camilla we'll be back with you in just a moment.

well, welcome back to the camilla tominey. well, welcome back to the camilla tominey . crikey, moses, camilla tominey. crikey, moses, it's a busy morning in westminster . just want to bring westminster. just want to bring you up to speed with exactly what's happened. if you're just joining me. so we had two letters this morning that were by the government. first of all, we had the person who's conducted the independent investigation into nadhim zahawi, the tax affairs salary, magnus . he wrote to the prime magnus. he wrote to the prime minister, basically saying that the party chairman had broken ministerial code. i've got number 10 letter in front of me

now . now, i don't know. have now. now, i don't know. have laurie magnus, but basically the prime minister, rishi sunak then wrote to nadhim zahawi said, look, you've clearly broken the ministerial code and i'm sacking you.so ministerial code and i'm sacking you. so all of this talk about will resign or not. in the end, his hand is very much massively been by the prime minister himself. we have just had in the last 20 or so minutes nadhim zahawi response to having been sacked and he's written a pretty emotional letter. he's talking about the fourth estate, the media and some of our coverage of this. and i think was one headune of this. and i think was one headline he's taken exception to sort of suggesting that the noose was around his neck and said that this was not conducive to his own family's feelings of safety and security . we also safety and security. we also heard earlier in the show, jacob rees—mogg, former cabinet colleague of mr. zahawi, saying that he felt sorry for the cabinet minister. you don't seem to be feeling too sorry for him. we've heard from our people's panelin we've heard from our people's panel in milton keynes who don't have that much sympathy. let me just more of your

just read a couple more of your emails. morning. aidan says emails. this morning. aidan says typical today, typical of politicians today, greed pontiff's greed and all the pontiff's hating about tightening our belts. others are belts. yet he and others are swindling taxes system, swindling our taxes system, which country . no which helps fund our country. no small it's totally small amount. it's totally disgusting, john says . it amazes disgusting, john says. it amazes me that meps like zahawi can be so irresponsible and careless in the handling of their affairs. do they know that they can never get away? such manoeuvres a disrespect political integrity is death sentence. and barry is a death sentence. and barry says , i fail to understand and says, i fail to understand and i'm sure the rest of my country will feel the same . why these will feel the same. why these educated run country educated men who run country think they can cover up and carry as normal. now let me carry on as normal. now let me just thing for myself and just say thing for myself and adam him adam zahawi. i do know him personally. i've had to work with him on various different things in the course of my journalistic time. think he's journalistic time. i think he's made and it's made a grave error and it's clear he's broken the clear that he's broken the ministerial code on personal level. he's always been very charming, very polite and a decent guy. it's difficult because his political career and reputation is now in tatters and one wishes it well to rebuild. but i think the prime minister

has taken that affirmative action and. that has been the breaking news story of the hour. now we want to make news with my next guests . ukip's henry bolton next guests. ukip's henry bolton and journalist and commentator benjamin butterworth are joining me now for a right brexit debate on tuesday. as both of you gentlemen will well know, it's the anniversary of our exit from , the eu. and so i suppose the killer question for the generation debate today you're a millennial ben, right? i am. and i think you might be a boomer, henry. am i correct? 1963. 1963. so i'm going to put it to you, gentlemen. i'd like you to debate this against each other. brexit has . a disaster, henry, brexit has. a disaster, henry, or . success now brexit has. a disaster, henry, or. success now i'm speaking for myself now. this is my opinion. brexit was never in itself ever going deliver anything apart. the uk's independence in law government , public government, public administration and the value that was that actually then accountability would return to westminster before brexit,

before the referendum. we had this situation where the public wasn't ever quite whether things weren't happy about were the fault of brussels or the fault of westminster. successive democracy, but correct people reaping the benefits . well with reaping the benefits. well with the democrats terms we already are . you've just been talking are. you've just been talking about zahawi . and the fact is about zahawi. and the fact is that now everybody is going to not to brussels . and nobody's not to brussels. and nobody's blaming the european union for everything. everything they're going to westminster and asking why our aren't delivering. and that's the crucial element. now, all of other elements of it. are we to be better off or worse off? there's a lot of disinformation out there. what would say to people is now it is down to the british politician and the british public demand quality. we have a real lack of leadership. so let me bring back. it's been three year. yes. and we've had a massive failure of political leadership in this country. vision, no structure, no plan , strategy. i mean, so

no plan, strategy. i mean, so we've , what, three prime we've, what, three prime ministers in that time. we've, what, three prime ministers in that time . and the ministers in that time. and the reason they haven't been able to deliver is because there never was a plan , because you had was a plan, because you had politicians like yourself and ukip, you had the tories, you had this , you know, ragtag of had this, you know, ragtag of different people making all sorts of different claims , none sorts of different claims, none of which was stitched together . of which was stitched together. and the reason i agree, the reason we're in a political crisis and an economic one that comparable countries are not in so deeply with their economies . so deeply with their economies. reason we're that situation reason we're in that situation is because it was a flawed argument from the place. i argument from the first place. i think last time i was in think the last time i was in here was when i was working on the problem. the problem, ben, is between the is that we've between the majority who leave, majority of people who leave, we've perfectly well aware of the government's and the risk associated leaving the european union. david cameron's administration to david cameron's administer action sent a booklet to every household . a booklet to every household. the country basically recommending that we voted remain in the european union. if people didn't read that booklet

but people if those who did were well aware of the economic element of change, you have a change because of that, you could say you can't try and say that they were aware of the risks and then try pretend that it's been a success. no, no, no. when you look at them, you didn't let me finish. okay. that was all based on economic change. when you change from one thing to another, there is disrupt disruption affects the economy . there was inevitably economy. there was inevitably and if you back and look at my tweets, my blog posts on you have seen me me saying that that was to happen i knew it was going to happen. every right minded person who could think for themselves, knew or knows that if you change from one system to another system, then have certain amount of disruption. the economy doesn't like we have it. no, like that. we have it. no, no, no. you want . now let me no. you say you want. now let me finish because my point you show points it one one more sentence and i'm going to my point will

be made that is because certain people are saying that brexit has to be based , it's the has to be based, it's the success of the judgement on the economic outcome now and that is not i'm saying that the purpose of brexit was to deliver independence in law government to public. so our own politician accountable to the british people could actually make decisions about how we best exploit you. benjamin mean, you have basically admitted it had me you have said that brexit has failed and that's because brexit, you have you say right now that it's not delivering and that it's not worth. no, i didn't say that. i i actually the remainers always put those two in my mouth. what you two words in my mouth. what you just didn't say any of just said. i didn't say any of those words . speaking just those words. speaking just purely on economics, not. and what needs to be on this is this. we've undone 40 plus years of eu laws and we've got give it more time. we've had a pandemic. we've had a war in ukraine. we've had a war in ukraine. we've inflation sky high. you've got to give it more time to see

whether it's going be a success. i mean, know, as a young you i mean, you know, as a young you think about the six years, you know, 30 so it's slightly it know, i'm 30 so it's slightly it all but have plenty of all of me. but have plenty of friends now that weren't even old enough to vote when that referendum their referendum happened and their economic of economic chances their cost of living that living so factors that opportunities like when they're at university other at university to go to other universities around the world and trade with many and exchange trade with so many of things diminished of those things are diminished because. it's simply not true. you generation that has you have a generation that has access a smaller world than access to a smaller world than the one that's just here which finishes because and when you make point about, you know, it's kind the brexit thing was kind of the brexit thing it was boomers versus younger people. younger weren't as in younger people weren't as in support of it then. i mean i mean, i think are something like 70 80% of people under 35 70 or 80% of people under 35 voted remain. meanwhile, obviously to the reverse once you get to pensioners and the truth is that talk about truth is that you talk about these complicating these obviously complicating factors the pandemic factors like the pandemic and like in ukraine but the like the war in ukraine but the other countries in the g7 have had those factors. and yet with the one who has not yet returned our economy to the size of 2019

and we exception of russia come this way, you see, we have the smallest very economist this morning , lawson, saying that morning, lawson, saying that france and germany are also in a bit of a pickle when you say the g7. let's about the european union. okay. inflation and interest rates in the uk. all right . the middle of the right. the middle of the eurozone. okay you can't tell me the is the reason why inflation and interest rates in eurozone have gone up. now you talk about the reduction , students being the reduction, students being able to put their opportunities to a study abroad rather to the turing scheme erm british funded british government british government scheme has now in 2022, 23 has placed nearly 39,000 british students . in 150 39,000 british students. in 150 different locations around the world, closely with the commonwealth association now that's, that's a fact of it and. the other thing that i would say is that you briefly henry, in terms of the generation gap , i

terms of the generation gap, i was never anti—european or anti being part the european union until i to work there. now life bnngs until i to work there. now life brings certain experience and you can compare you might not get experience of working in the school that experience boarding schools i mean we now don't have freedom of movement and if you look at the kind of serious fundamental problems our economy has, the central one is that we have a lack of work, you know, in this country at the moment, a fifth of people are claiming a pension. are people pension. there are more people living pensions than coming living off pensions than coming through school system, more through the school system, more 65 than under 60. we have 1.6 million vacancies in this country . that is more than the country. that is more than the number of people seeking work. and so when we have a negative migration, number the right now, as we did in last year, what you have there is a lot of skilled workers from developed countries on doorstep who don't want on our doorstep who don't want to their skills to bring talent and their skills and tax money to this . and and their tax money to this. and thatis and their tax money to this. and that is a consequence of brexit and that is a fundamental

problem we have no fundamental problem we have no fundamental problem at all. and you can you can you you can go and work in brussels . okay, i worked at brussels. okay, i worked at gosport so it's quite boring studio i wouldn't necessarily studio so i wouldn't necessarily recommend it. but thing is recommend it. but the thing is if a job you can go if you have a job you can go there. and we were still in there. and when we were still in there. and when we were still in the and i worked the european union and i worked for european commission, i for the european commission, i was, went brussels and you was, i went to brussels and you know what? you've got to do all the documentation, you've got to read point read last point. and the point is immigration is not is that immigration is not something to, it something i'm opposed to, but it has be properly managed and has to be properly managed and we selective. the we should be selective. the people can't the people that we can't say the immigration policy gone well since brexit. well, we desperately need more immigrants. it's what the cbi says. it's why the office for budget responsibility says and the truth the reason that the truth that the reason that we highest taxes that we have the highest taxes that any currently in work has any person currently in work has been able to pay since the seventies is because don't have enough people able to pay tax andifs enough people able to pay tax and it's like a mismatch . if and it's like a mismatch. if i had your say and i've thoroughly enjoyed from generation to generation has gap been breached. i not. coming up after

this , going to be speaking to a this, going to be speaking to a spitting image actor who i hope going to do a few impressions for us. what has been a pretty heavy day at westminster. stay tuned for that .

welcome back to the camilla tominey show. well, if you're just joining me, maybe had a lion, had a late breakfast. breaking news on the show this morning. nadhim zahawi has been sacked by the prime minister as tory party chairman. i'll just read out the statement that has been released by downing street, the letter that rishi has written to nadeem following the completion of the independent adviser's investiture and the findings of which he has shared with us both. it is clear that there has been a serious breach of ministerial as a of the ministerial code. as a result, i have informed you of my decision to remove you from

your position her majesty's your position in her majesty's government. the 30 government. in the last 30 minutes or so, we've had zahawi reaction to that. he has blamed the media, the so—called fourth estate, for the negative pubuchy estate, for the negative publicity around the stories of his tax affairs. let's just get a few of your reactions here. don't forget the email address to write into is gb views at gbnews.uk. billy says all employees should just do one job. the job they have been elected to do by the public. these so—called other earnings and second jobs would not exist if they just did one job. and let's face it, they get paid well for that. good point. well made billy. sarah we made by billy. sarah says we should zahawi some slack. he should cut zahawi some slack. he has made mistake and was right has made a mistake and was right to resign. well, sarah, he hasn't he's been hasn't resigned. he's been sacked. i think he should sacked. but i think he should stay an mp. he delivered us stay as an mp. he delivered us the vaccine, so reference there to mr. zahawi before he was chancellor. indeed party chancellor. and indeed party chairman the merry go round . chairman in the merry go round. that the government in that has been the government in recent he was also the recent months. he was also the vaccines minister. although some might that credit might argue that that credit should vaccine saw. should go to the vaccine saw.

kate now let's have a kate bingham. now let's have a little bit of fun at the end of the show because it has been quite taxing. there's been breaking news. we've had people being sacked. we've had people blaming the force of state, which i think i'm a member of. let's now stephen let's bring in now stephen nolan, a co—writer and nolan, who's a co—writer and voice of spitting image. now, i say your old, your original say that your old, your original spitting , steve. can spitting image, steve. can i just say i'm a bit biased because i grew up with the show that was spitting image is finest. i did. i would that was spitting image is finest. i did . i would agree finest. i did. i would agree with you if you want to get the prime minister of that particular day, look . got it in. particular day, look. got it in. gurcharan it's all you see today . sunday? yes. we go. you start, steve. we're talking about this because spitting image after 40 years, is now in a stage show in birmingham. it starts on february the first. so the satirical show that originally everyone looked at these puppets of earth is all this of what on earth is all this about has stood the test of time. it's outlasted many governments and it still resonates today . and you were resonates today. and you were obviously original member , i

obviously original member, i suppose. given us a great suppose. you've given us a great impression there of the odd lady who know your specialist who i know was your specialist subject . but why this show subject. but why has this show stood the test of time, do you think? well in a way, putting spitting image on stage is going back to its origins because its origins were really punch and judy. yes. you know, people talk about punch and judy politics. well in a way, spitting image on television was the punch. and judy show in and actually literal punches, because , you literal punches, because, you know, the puppets were always fighting each other. one thing about the puppets, because they their facial expressions never change. you could hate them as often as you liked. and it made no difference . but today is , you no difference. but today is, you know, sunday where live, live breaking news. and it just reminded me of a day when we were making spitting image and were making spitting image and we were in the studio making what we call topicals on a sunday morning for the show that went out that night and that

particular sunday morning, jeffrey archer was signed because there was a big the big news of the world story about jeffrey up about 30 years ago. and we had to put a sketch in that show that night. so you behaving like newspapers in the sense that you had to be right on the story. nothing could be old if it's going out that night. you've got to get the stories of the day. and i don't think we had the jeffrey archer puppet the studios, but if i puppet in the studios, but if i remember correctly , we basically remember correctly, we basically had mrs. thatcher coming into her cabinet room with a pair of gardening shears threatening to chop off all those bits of men to cause trouble . how did you to cause trouble. how did you even know that you could do an impression of margaret thatcher? how did that come about? how doesit how did that come about? how does it come? there was a wonderful man called mike yarwood, a lovely guy still going and he did all the politicians. he hated people like carol wilson and james callow and all those people of

the 1970s that only people over the 1970s that only people over the age of 70 now have ever heard of. and he was brilliant at it initially . and but he at it initially. and but he couldn't do margaret thatcher. and that's why you can . and i and that's why you can. and i thought, well, i'll have a go at that. and i because i did the same impressions . and any same impressions. and any impressions for the 1970 basically did time of making the show. well, you kind of like, you know, in taking breath at some of the sketches because it was the first time that really politicians were treated so aggressively in satire. you're absolutely right. and i think that the spitting image didn't change the government. mrs. thatcher stayed the time and the tory government still won. the thing that made the difference that spitting image made was difference are deaf friends to politicians disappeared during the time of spitting image because we started to do things

and also the royal family. those are the two areas where i think spitting image didn't change the government, but it changed attitude towards the royal family there was less deference towards royal family and we're seeing that being didn't bring down the conservative government under john down the conservative government underjohn major. i only say that because my abiding memory of spitting image is him obviously grey saying obviously completely grey saying to norman moore, please . i mean to norman moore, please. i mean it completely ridiculed him as well. that's the other point about spitting image. it's about perception and he was our take on him was that he was a great man . steve bell in the guardian man. steve bell in the guardian had a different take. we discovered that the john major tucked his shirt into his underpants . yes, that's right. underpants. yes, that's right. do you remember that? yes i do. and that's great because it keeps you, you know, your shirt not falling out. but the bad thing is that if your trousers fall down, you can see your underpants, which nobody wants to see. so so steve bell put the

underpants on the outside of his trousers, which made him look like a very, very amateurish superman, which is sort of what it was . yes, actually, john it was. yes, actually, john major was far more reflective as a prime minister than we gave him credit for. but had what him credit for. but he had what we what we were to we would. what we were trying to say about was he had a suburban mind . yes. and he was in a line mind. yes. and he was in a line that i had was he was a retail minded to wholesale business. but what would you make of today's crop having already of them interesting enough to parody ? how would you, for parody? how would you, for instance , think about doing instance, think about doing rishi sunak? well enoch powell was bonkers . yes. bonkers was bonkers. yes. bonkers though. he was. he made one point very he was very sensible. and said to the office of prime minister he's the one job in british politics that is achieved purely by accident . so

achieved purely by accident. so rishi soon at being summed up perfectly and he's found himself , you know, to me he's a the board of all essentially assassinated each other . and assassinated each other. and this lower middle management sort of employee of the wheat guy has suddenly found himself in charge of kind of parody just kind of slightly jack and worry delivery at times i mean can you do so not thinking i, i slightly stop doing politicians when they got rid of them where they come. so i thought that was a wonderful voice friend to jb. you know, i know she's a great friend of gb news, but the thing look, i think with the with politicians and the way they look , rishi sunak , i mean, he's look, rishi sunak, i mean, he's got he wears his trousers , you got he wears his trousers, you know, up. so his trousers don't fit. and that's a great point because , you know, he's not because, you know, he's not quite right for the job. so therefore you should make him suit, not fit him. well i think his trousers are often a little too small. anyway, on that note with stephen neil and thank you

very much indeed forjoining me today. busy show. today. it's been a busy show. breaking news. we've had a sacking. knows might sacking. who knows what might happen all you need happen next week? all you need to is tune from 930. to do is tune in from 930. thanks joining me .

good morning and welcome to sunday with mike reported i bnng sunday with mike reported i bring you good conversation arts and entertainment, ethical dilemmas and a sense of the ridiculous two. well it was impossible to imagine that nadine zahawi having paid an enormous tax penalty, could champion the conservative party's next election campaign as party chairman. and so a

couple of hours ago, the