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rishi sunak has sacked nadhim zahawi from the government after an ethics inquiry found he had committed a serious of the ministerial code . former tory ministerial code. former tory party chairman has been facing questions over his tax after admitting that he'd paid a penalty to hmrc for an error unked penalty to hmrc for an error linked to shares in polling company yougov . linked to shares in polling company yougov. in a linked to shares in polling company yougov . in a letter, mr. company yougov. in a letter, mr. zahawi told the prime minister he will continue to support the government from the backbenches . and jacob rees—mogg says has sympathy for him . the report to sympathy for him. the report to show that he made some technical errors with his declaration of the ministerial code and the prime minister has decided that they were serious enough to fire him. so i feel sorry for nadhim zahawi , but i think that after zahawi, but i think that after it dominating the headlines for a week the rule of politics that if you do that, it's very hard remain in office . well labour remain in office. well labour party chair and the leese dodds says there are questions for the

prime minister. what did he know and when about that enormous settlement that nadhim zahawi was negotiating with hmrc and the huge penalty that he had to pay the huge penalty that he had to pay point of rishi sunak's say in parliament that all questions had been answered about this affair on offer. why on earth is prime minister holding up this gallery of conservative ministers with others who obviously broken security rules, who are subject to allegations of very serious bullying and the prime minister seems too to act against them . a 16 year old boy against them. a 16 year old boy has been charged with the murder of a teenage girl in. 15 year old holly newton stabbed in the priest pupil area of the town on friday and died in hospital. the 16 year old boy was also injured . the attack. the accused who can't be named for legal reasons has also been charged with attempted murder and possession of an offensive weapon . the

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loan . the government will loan. the government will pubush loan. the government will publish an urgent emergency care plan tomorrow to try to tackle pressures on nhs. it comes , as pressures on nhs. it comes, as the health department announced plans to build virtual beds caring for tens of thousands of elderly and vulnerable people in their homes. the health secretary admitted was no quick fix , but said shifting care away fix, but said shifting care away from will reduce waiting times . from will reduce waiting times. however, shadow health secretary has accused the government sticking plaster politics. it seems we have gone from 14 new hospitals to hospitals at home. i think a lot of people will say, well, how will i be able to be treated in my own home if the government's half the number of district nurses who are essential to provide support in the community? i think this is a government that's run out of steam, run out ideas and steam, run out of ideas and isn't able to deal with the fundamental problems of the nhs and so the resorting to sticking plasters dame . esther rantzen plasters dame. esther rantzen has revealed she's diagnosed

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something that definitely work. hospitals at home. well that will solve the problem of bed blocking because the sick can stay at home and, then be visited by the nurses and monitored at home and. the well who don't need a can stay in hospital then the sick won't to wait for a bed taken by. somebody who's perfectly well . somebody who's perfectly well. because frankly we haven't solved the problem at the other which is bed blocking . i want to which is bed blocking. i want to like the idea of not going to hospital but why do i feel like i a rat perfectly well individuals in hospital and the sick at home. you know when you call for an appointment and they offer you call back from the doctor or remote appointment. well, how well does work out for you?in well, how well does work out for you? in my the pretty poor. but let's be fair. examine the idea to relieve pressure on the nhs . to relieve pressure on the nhs. so the idea is more than half a

million people will be treated at home. elderly and frail patients who fall , for example, patients who fall, for example, will be treated by video link. does does mean they'll be left with a fallen . sounds pretty with a fallen. sounds pretty impractical to me. few questions. what if they don't have a web cam or even internet 7 have a web cam or even internet ? who hooks up the video link ? ? who hooks up the video link? and if they fall in and immobile ised? how will they operate the equipment . and if they don't equipment. and if they don't have a computer? who will pay for it ? although to be fair, the for it? although to be fair, the last time i looked cost over 500 quid per day to stay in hospital. stay possibly buying them probably them a computer was probably cheapen them a computer was probably cheaper. i quite like the cheaper. look, i quite like the idea because i'd rather stay and any day than go hospital. but i'm big cancer on the elderly i'm a big cancer on the elderly and frail patients who in my view, are one of the most vulnerable groups, will be left to fend for themselves . i mean, to fend for themselves. i mean, granted, most elderly people want of independence , want a sense of independence, but is, even though, but my worry is, even though, the monitoring will be apparently to all seven, that they'll be left on their own when further may well be needed . for example, if they fall. who will help them to the bathroom?

who will them meals? how they clean their house. normal practical day to day things can be very when you're incapacitated . and this idea , incapacitated. and this idea, although it seems good because it's happening in some places like warwickshire , where like warwickshire, where patients can arrange a video and paramedics could be sent to them and work out the best course of action. the telegraph actually reported this led to a 60% reported that this led to a 60% reduction in the number of over 75 who were taken to hospital. and there are others similar versions it's also been versions of this. it's also been in october year where in london in october year where a community nurse sent out with paramedics, which able to cut the likelihood of going to a&e in half. but i'm sceptical . the likelihood of going to a&e in half. but i'm sceptical. i believe more attention needs to believe more attention needs to be placed on the route of problem which is bed blocking and ultimately social care. may i suggest that the government solve the problem rather than tucking in the edges edges .

tucking in the edges edges. before get stuck into the debate? here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, can you now trust the tories ? prime minister, we tories? prime minister, we should an exact tory party should see an exact tory party chairman zahawi after the chairman nadhim zahawi after the inquiry found that he brings ministerial code last week. ministerial code to last week. it amounts to how we pay the penalty in the millions to hmrc see everyone pay tax. so this signal does it change for you, for the government? and then at 4:51 pm, russell, expert danielle armstrong will be live in the studio. the prime minister has said that. the hearts the british are hearts of the british people are with ukraine and this all comes as the of when war started. as the of when the war started. foster and stay tuned at five. it's this week's outside our special celebrity guest is known as a competitive swimmer and competed in the olympics , competed in the olympics, commonwealth games and the world championships. he's also been a contestant on strictly come dancing . anyone guess who he dancing. anyone guess who he might be? stay tuned out might be? stay tuned to find out just five. that's on the just after five. that's on the way in the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think on everything discussing you everything when discussing you can gb news

can email gb views at gb news .uk tweet me at . gb news. is .uk or tweet me at. gb news. is the action my throat? i told him to turn it down. heads will roll. do you wait till afterwards? all right. so let's get started. welcome again to my panel get started. welcome again to my panel. broadcaster and author christine and christine hamilton and broadcasting annie broadcasting journalist annie kelly . right. so first, i want kelly. right. so first, i want to start with the topic of the whole hospitals at home, danny. i mean, look , have hoist i mean, look, they have to hoist you out of that. they would need a cherry picker with with a mega ultra extra wide lens. look, the is that you're right. none of my mother and father in law, for example, they don't have so they have old phones, which just them fine they text and they make phone calls. they're not into whatsapp video calling. so god forbid , should someone in the forbid, should someone in the house fall , maybe they're going house fall, maybe they're going to be able get the landline to be able to get the landline and then they're going to be sent which. they will be sent a link which. they will be able to open they won't be able

to use. but if you fall, if you all of a sudden and you have a catastrophic fall, something that proceed catastrophic fall, something thyou proceed catastrophic fall, something thyou were proceed catastrophic fall, something thyou were in proceed catastrophic fall, something thyou were in your proceed catastrophic fall, something thyou were in your teens, roceed catastrophic fall, something thyou were in your teens, buted if you were in your teens, but when you phones are more brittle and fragile. going to be and fragile. you're going to be in pain and can't in excruciating pain and i can't see video is going to see this video link is going to really you smile they got really while you smile they got me because my from fitness me because my face from fitness i could have said i that i could see the video link is going to show it. i don't i'm just pre—empting her thunder and i have this chemistry where i can just about predict what she is thinking. but i say it so. so i thinking. but i say it so. so i think that's going to be difficult to work. but what i would say, warwickshire is my home county and that's where the trial is. so 60% reduction in a&e visits. okay, that's great thing. the fire engine the fire department, west midlands fire department or fire, whatever, that very american that that sounds very american that they trialled something a couple of years we're seeing of years ago. we're seeing reports that's reports of 5999 that's centrelink to the smartphone and they the fire the they actually show the fire the fire alarm so technology and

third party face to face has been used before with the emergency services. so maybe we give it some time. but you're right bed blocking you know there's not a better yeah it's pointless it solve that because i i quite like the idea of i mean i quite like the idea of not to go to hospital. not having to go to hospital. that's but the underlying that's great. but the underlying problem blocking . problem is the bed blocking. they it, kristie. they haven't solved it, kristie. yeah, underlying problem they haven't solved it, kristie. yethe underlying problem they haven't solved it, kristie. yethe bed jnderlying problem they haven't solved it, kristie. yethe bed plottingig problem they haven't solved it, kristie. yethe bed plotting back problem they haven't solved it, kristie. yethe bed plotting back to oblem they haven't solved it, kristie. yethe bed plotting back to bedm is the bed plotting back to bed blocking too. money is spent on managers and bureaucrats that's the other problem. but i think to this new plan, i can see certain instances when it would i mean you have an elderly person who falls got person who falls they've got young at home. you can young people at home. you can easily paramedic comes and easily see a paramedic comes and says, actually, you don't need to you've got to get at all. you've got somebody here who can look after you've got the technology at your disposal i can see this helping. what helping. i've no idea what what figures whether figures figures whether the figures quoted article a sense quoted in this article a sense but can see that working as an but i can see that working as an adjunct but main problem and i began to think you know you send something to a royal commission and it gets kicked into the long grass. but i think the nhs is so severely , badly at the

severely, badly managed at the moment and the money is badly spent. it's got out control. it's this it's the new it's become this it's the new religion. you know, you can't touch it but i think people at last are realising that they've got something fundamental got to do something fundamental . something a . and i think something like a royal really get royal commission to really get to how solve it to the bottom how we solve it and is not just throwing more and it is not just throwing more money at to maybe this money at it to maybe this actually could help in certain circumstances the pressure on a&e may i just know for your mother in law. no i just thought though if it does work, why don't we just it out to all 999 calls. so you may have someone who's they've had who's over. they've had a few too many saturday nights and smacked there's blood smacked heads on. there's blood pounng smacked heads on. there's blood pouring of the eye socket or pouring out of the eye socket or whatever. i don't to be too graphic. so they call 999 normally that got ambulance normally that got a an ambulance taken immediately then they normally that got a an ambulance taithe immediately then they normally that got a an ambulance taithe ambulance. then they normally that got a an ambulance taithe ambulance. okayhen they normally that got a an ambulance taithe ambulance. okay well hey to the ambulance. okay well let's little look at let's just have a little look at it. okay well we actually see it looks worse than. it is what we'd like you do is just a tree or socket. what, blood. or socket. what, the blood. well, camera. so is probably. well, a camera. so is probably. but see i mean. could but you see what i mean. could roll out a lot of other roll it out to a lot of other nine on my old people while all

opposed to the idea that a lot of things could be done from home i that but my point is home i like that but my point is this attack underlying problem initially and then you can stop doing all these items because as that mp said, it's like sticking plaster. there's a wound not going to treat the wounds, it's going to treat the wounds, it's going to treat the wounds, it's going to put plaster on top going to put a plaster on top deal with the thing first. the bed blocking is the issue. find a way getting people out a way of getting well people out of there's room of hospital. there's room for the okay this this the sick. okay but this this video does what neil fell off a ladder two or three years ago and he head really and he cut his head really badly. and we were going for dinner that evening with somebody who's a surgeon so i thought, i photographed thought, well, so i photographed and said, jeremy, and i said and i said, jeremy, we with can you with we come with can you deal with or should take him to a&e? and or should i take him to a&e? and he said i can deal with it. so it was classic of how using a little bit of sort of modern technology saved visit to the cluster who's a classic cluster but who's a the classic way had to drive about an way so we had to drive about an hour away to avoid a ten hour plus away to avoid a ten hour plus away to avoid a ten hour it's the people hour wait it is it's the people you this is hamilton oh is you know this is hamilton oh is that just oh probably he's

retired now. i that's still the underlying problem if they got rid of a situation where you've got perfectly well people in beds that they don't need then you don't need to worry about all this not being on an improve the system but that's what they need to solve and whilst i applaud ingenuity of coming up with different schemes and i think that there is a place for the place for right now is looking at solving the problem, bed and they're not bed blocking and they're not doing i'm spending money doing it. i'm spending the money more i just go more wisely. may i just go back a few when boris johnson a few years when boris johnson announced be more announced it would be 50 more hospitals didn't hospitals. yes, it did didn't it. i think 40. i think it was okay. it. i think 40. i think it was okay . let's go with 40, some of okay. let's go with 40, some of which were brand new, some of which were brand new, some of which were brand new, some of which were enhanced on previous sites. so hopefully they are making progress on that. i know they also hopefully when that is achieved, or when it's achieved, if or when it's achieved, if or when it's achieved, won't achieved, then we won't necessarily concerned necessarily be so concerned about people. about that blocking people. let's never going let's know they're never going to number of to up with the number of especially people especially you've got people coming from you've got coming from channel you've got the ageing the population and the ageing ageing ageing population that's going to solve it. they actually

need to deal with the. yes, yeah. and also people need operations now that they couldn't have had ten or 20 years ago. they want the new knees hips your knees and your hips and your heart you will having new heart and you will having new eyes completely. new eyes shortly completely. new eyes shortly completely. new eyes no limit eyes new this. so there no limit to amount of that can to the amount of money that can be on the health service, no limit at all. yeah. yeah, well, it's be better. you it's got to be better. yeah. you know, and that is main thing. so i don't think they really need to situation the bed to address the situation the bed looking think looking stuff now but i think this interesting idea this is an interesting idea using rooms at home for a bit for certain circumstances. yeah yeah. ideas. yeah. done it using good ideas. well i think, i think well yeah. well i think, i think you and also what we don't you a and also what we don't want to do that funny face zoom it's just it's sun afternoon it's just it's sun afternoon it's other effect . yeah well it's the other effect. yeah well okay okay right so right when we discussing that, make sure that you get in touch with all thoughts of the bed block. now, last week. we had a conversation, didn't we, with the situation we made a conversation. we discussed something and people were something and some people were offended. we did. we had a discussion obesity and discussion about obesity and understand that a remark that i made on the has upset some

made on the show has upset some viewers. i don't know how many, not i don't think we were not many i don't think we were having a lively discussion obesity. i a comment obesity. and i made a comment about concentration camp that was inappropriate it was deemed inappropriate it shouldn't i'm shouldn't have happened. and i'm sorry apologise to those sorry and i apologise to those those have offended. thank those who have offended. thank you very much, christine right. so, your so, listen, what are your thoughts stay with me. thoughts as ever? stay with me. i'm this is gb news i'm nana akua. this is gb news one on tv digital radio one life on tv and digital radio after the break, it's time for the great british to fake this out. can you now out. i'm asking, can you now trust the tories? prime minister rishi tory party rishi sunak of the tory party chairman zahawi after an chairman nadhim zahawi after an inquiry breached inquiry found that he breached the ministerial over his the ministerial code over his tax affairs so the tory tax affairs. so are the tory party leading with more integrity? do you think? integrity? what do you think? send me your thoughts, email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. i've got a pull up right on twitter asking is right now on twitter asking is that you now that very question can you now not you seen rishi sunak in action ? can you trust the action? can you trust the tories? cast your vote now. that's way after this

good afternoon . if you just join good afternoon. if you just join me. welcome. it's just coming up to 21 minutes after 4:00. we are the people . this is gb news. i'm the people. this is gb news. i'm nana aquat. now, before the break we were discussing the possibility of a hospital at home. well, let's see what you've been saying. michelle says demand . isn't this what says demand. isn't this what older paid into their older people paid into their pension some of for 50 years pension for some of for 50 years exactly . they didn't really pay exactly. they didn't really pay for that did they. they paid have care proper care says i'm only the only person believes that if they reopen cottage hospitals where patients used to go for rehabilitation the what on earth was be solved. what on earth is going on with the health board? i don't know . health board? i don't know. they're thinking, dan said, get rid diversity in rid of the diversity in management, reinstate . management, etc. reinstate. convalescence, homes. exactly get rid of the bed blocking, reinstate convalescent homes. people there and you've people can go there and you've got beds for people who are actually ill. i don't well actually ill. i don't know. well time our great british time now for our great british debate i'm can you debate and i'm asking, can you trust tories ? prime minister trust the tories? prime minister rishi nadhim zahawi from

rishi sunak's nadhim zahawi from his position as tory his government position as tory party inquiry found party after the inquiry found that he breached the ministerial code. that he breached the ministerial code . now he had come under fire code. now he had come under fire of his tax affairs after admitting that he paid a penalty worth millions to hmrc. you described it as a careless mistake and last year was too soon. that promise to lead the country with integrity and accountability at the at every level. in his opening as prime minister. so is rishi sunak living up to his promise? does this sacking signal a change in the way the government operating? so for the great budget debate, this i'm asking can you now trust the tories? i'm joined by former labour mp steven former brexit steven pound, former brexit party and political commentator paul , former labour paul and lucy, former labour adviser mccgwire . also adviser scarlett mccgwire. also political ebrahim political commentator ebrahim wright. i'm going to start with you, belinda. lucy, does this signal sort of change? well, i'm not sure about that because although i know rishi thinks he's done an increase , a he's done an increase, a herculean move by sacking nadine , you know, there are many other

reasons areas why trust lacking towards the conservative party. i think rishi did the right thing though by waiting an independent investigation . i do independent investigation. i do think we live in a climate where the media can pounce on the next scalp demanding demise and i think it would be wrong to just sack someone on the basis of that so based on the investigation and then when the evidence was utterly unequivocal coal to then go through with the sacking . yes. fantastic. well sacking. yes. fantastic. well done. sacking. yes. fantastic. well done . but on so many other areas done. but on so many other areas he's so weak and in so many other areas the conservative party has been so untrustworthy. however i don't think it's a uniquely conservative thing. i think had labour been in power the last 12 years, we've seen a similar amount amount of misconduct power corrupts at the end of the day and the conservatives been in for a long, long time. so we've just seen it more with them than we have with any other party. okay, scarlett mcguire, what do you think clearly . rishi should

think? clearly. rishi should have sacked that that hallway as soon as he discovered that zaha had not been completely frank about his tax . it it did not about his tax. it it did not need an investigation to find out that . zahawi had not told out that. zahawi had not told sunak everything he knew and had not said that yes. when he was chancellor he was being investigated . had not said that investigated. had not said that he'd said threatening letters to a german to journalist who was inquiring about it. that actually that although i agree that quite often process should go on for instance looking dominic raab we need to make sure that he really bully the 24 people who are using him office and we want to do it with the whole way it was a matter of rishi actually being weak and not sacking him when he should have been. so no, i mean, look there are still there are still

i mean, i listed the number of investigations going into what's wrong with the conservatives and letter alone, you know, starting to think go down the line of can we them on the economy i mean the answer is no and. interesting, but you're a great leader. keir starmer. i mean, the labour party is sort of that better from what i can see, but i would concede that i probably would tell me the bullying, tell me the problem with the tax affairs i actually at the moment there is nothing that we can that we can pick up in the labour party where there are serious , where there are any serious, where there are any conflicts of , interest. i mean conflicts of, interest. i mean i think really you no you can't get away with that. there are loads conflicts of interest i would say in parties. i don't think you can really say that and think that that is 100% correct. i mean, there was the there's been quite a saying. we're talking about a man who was chancellor of the exchequer , who was running the tax affairs of this country, the

time as he was being investigated and had to pay a fine of over a million missing. i'm not defending i'm not him on that money. i'm not defending him. i'm just saying that i don't think the labour i mean, it's just not true in the labour party . that's not what we got. i party. that's not what we got. i mean i don't know about with regard to tax but i'm just saying that both parties have their own crosses to bear i'm going have to read abraham going to have to read abraham well mean i am a libertarian well i mean i am a libertarian so i'm inclined to trust any so i'm not inclined to trust any at all. i they can have conservative more labour government but i think that rishi sunak was right to wait until . the independent until. the independent investigation was to intensify and deem zahawi honourable and is right. i think we tend to sort of saw in the air and point fingers at whoever wish to in the media. i think it's definitely right to just wait until we get it . official until we get it. official investigation. so we know all of the facts and. but again, look, whether or not we can actually trust the tories, i mean, we've

seen the amount of scandals that we've had over the past few years. can we actually even years. but can we actually even trust be conservative trust them to be conservative mean we can't trust them to actually do? the of actually do? will the name of the is we've got the the party is we've got the highest taxes in 70 years. we've got verizon. there are issues within policy, even within government policy, even that being that unfortunately aren't being fixed. trust the fixed. so i don't trust the tories because i don't trust any government . well, i mean, is it government. well, i mean, is it trust any of them? oh, stephen pound i'm a fairly trustworthy person, but you can rely on tories to make a complete horlicks of everything at the moment. it doesn't matter what they do, at the same that they just seem to have. is king midas in reverse? look, the zahawi has actually the tory actually still got the tory whip. going stand whip. it's still going to stand as conservative probably the as conservative probably at the next election because he's very popular his popular in his local constituency and yet again. rishi made himself rishi sunak has made himself look weak, weak, weak i mean, you remember meeting you should. i remember meeting nadhim few years ago nadhim zahawi a few years ago when in the in when we both working in the in the and was wearing the gasworks and he was wearing an marvellous , an absolutely marvellous, elegant warm overcoat , elegant british warm overcoat, was one of these superb garments . i said, crikey, anything that

cost a few , how afford cost a few, how did you afford that? and said, i've it that? and he said, i've got it on ebay. i said , hang on on ebay. and i said, hang on a second, you're a multimillionaire. and he said, that's why a mean, he that's why i'm a i mean, he obviously liked a shilling. that was everything. everybody knew that reality he was fined that the reality is he was fined by the hmrc. now, whether it was a fine, whether it was a correction or not, we don't know. the main thing it identified him as someone who was on the wrong side of the argument that if had had any courage, any strength at it courage, any strength at all, it would sadly, because i, i quite like the bloke you're like the bloke and you're certainly a good and, capable minister. would have got the minister. he would have got the in as it is, in there and then as it is, rishi had to stand last wednesday in pmqs and defend this bloke and the optics of that are dreadful because whether he's actually doing due process or not, whether he's doing thing is doing the right thing is irrelevant there on irrelevant he stood there on wednesday the eyes of the wednesday in the eyes of the nation. defending, defending, defending dismissed, dismissed, dismissed. it looks dreadful. they relied, but to be they can be relied, but to be relied be a saint. relied to be a saint. trustworthy, honest government, i'm afraid. well, do you think that the labour are

that the labour party are trustworthy and honest and, i mean in your view, stephen, i mean, i'm probably asking you a question. they obviously going to say. they are. but you know, do think that the labour do you think that the labour party have themselves in in party have it themselves in in goodness well? do goodness as well? or do you think perhaps to take it? think perhaps need to take it? look, some problems in look, we've had some problems in the labour. let's not pretend otherwise. you actually otherwise. but if you actually look the scarlet list, look at the scarlet list, scarlet mcguire's just run scarlet mcguire's list, just run finger down list of names, finger down that list of names, that of scandals that list of scandals that listed horrors . just try to see listed horrors. just try to see if a read across for if there's a read across for each one. you that each one. could you match that with labour? have to go with labour? you'd have to go back a very, very long time to, actually come up with, i think, the worrying think is the most worrying i think is something touched something that lucy touched on earlier, actually earlier, on this actually reflects the reputation reflects on the reputation of all people all politicians. people now think bad as other. think we're all as bad as other. and that's one thing i cannot forgive tories . well, this forgive the tories. well, this is extent of sleaze that's is the extent of sleaze that's arising from the rotting of the conservative government is actually tainting all of us. and that's the real problem. we've got a real job to do out there and i'm looking to give that up to shine the spotlight it to shine the spotlight on. it well, dirty job. well, it's a dirty job. someone's to do it. belinda

someone's got to do it. belinda yeah, i just yet labour seem yeah, but i just yet labour seem a very to waft the whiff sleeve over to the little conservative party uniquely remember for the labour party promise respect the brexit referendum and that was impossible , lie to the people of impossible, lie to the people of this country because they then tried to rerun it for another . tried to rerun it for another. they are not the squeaky sake like party if they've been in power for as many years, they would have had as much scandal as the next party. the truth of it is generally that respect for the job, the position being an mp has been generous , decreasing mp has been generous, decreasing by the year and politicians are not taking their job serious enough and they don't understand how how much it angers the people that they're not careful about following the rules like we have to. but i think that's cross—party. it's not uniquely that's going to you're going to respond to that random ever scorn that way you respond to is the thing is it's just not true i mean what i stephen is

completely if you do read across of the bullying the sleaze is it it just work and being in power i mean lucy's out with being in power a long time does mean that and more things come up but but that level of sleaze and the real problem is that rishi sunak not sack him as soon as as soon as he he knew that there was a problem. we knew i mean, everybody westminster probably everybody westminster probably everybody in the country knew what the end going to be. i mean , had zahawi had any honour at all, he would have fallen on his sword and, saved the conservative party . his boss, conservative party. his boss, richie sunak an awful lot of trouble could do anything as long as there's the zahawi was going on and as long as he hadnt going on and as long as he hadn't been sacked. well thank you very much that that labour former labour adviser scarlett mcguire. thank you for that.

beunda mcguire. thank you for that. belinda to lucy, political commentator and former brexit mep, former labour mp steven pound and political commentator. abraham, thank you very much to us all. it's good to talk to you. well, you're with me. i'm not not quite. this is a good use on tv online. i wanted talk about it after the break. we will continue with our great british debate this hour. i'm asking, we now the asking, can we now trust the tories? are thoughts of tories? what are the thoughts of my broadcaster my panel author, broadcaster christine also christine hamilton and also broadcast danny broadcast and columnist danny kelly ? then 5:00, it's this kelly? then at 5:00, it's this week's outside. i slept against his name as a competitive swimmer as competed in olympics, commonwealth games and, the world championships. also world championships. he's also a contestant strictly come contestant on strictly come dancing i'll you one more dancing. i'll give you one more clue. his best events the fifth, the 50 metre butterfly and the 50 metre freestyle . but can 50 metre freestyle. but can anyone guess if you think it is fast? let's get your latest news headunes. fast? let's get your latest news headlines . for 32 on anderson in

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integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level . accountability at every level. in his opening speech as prime minister , so is rishi living up minister, so is rishi living up to his promise? does this sacking signal a change in the way the government are behaving so for the great budget debate this hour, i'm asking, can you now, trust the tories. well me is, of course, my panel author, broadcaster hamilton, broadcaster christine hamilton, as the broadcaster journalist danny . christine, straight danny kelly. christine, straight to you. we we trust to you. can we can we trust them? mean, they moving in the them? i mean, they moving in the right direction, the they right direction, right? the they realise a mistake realise they made a mistake quicker, an inquiry instead of the secrecy report just went on and on. still going and on and on. still going i think. it's not. yes is think. i think it's not. yes is the answer that i think it was reem on your panel who said that actually she doesn't trust the tories to deliver conservatism. so that extent i certainly so to that extent i certainly don't trust the tories. no because i think she said we've got the worst, the highest tax for seven years, etc. they got the worst, the highest tax for noten years, etc. they got the worst, the highest tax for not deliveringtc. they got the worst, the highest tax for not delivering conservative, are not delivering conservative, which is no wonder. what do people as well vote for people do? you as well vote for the thing because the the real thing because the tories are delivering a sort of socialist agenda. but anyway, that i think rishi

that aside now i think rishi sunak actually showed weakness over zahawi he there's nothing that he learnt as a result of the inquiry that he didn't didn't know before he knew that that nadhim zahawi had been. it's a question of how we define into how we said he didn't realise he was under investigation but but rishi sunak he had all the data but when these various interviews took place he knew all that he must have known and i think he was just possibly, he didn't want to sack zahawi so he pushed it over. but he should have. i think it shows weakness, not strength. so i think that was ridiculous. i don't trust ridiculous. no, i don't trust the i'm i do not trust the tories. i'm i do not trust them any longer to deliver what people who voted conservative voted for, is voted for, which is a conservative pro—uk run. and i think stephen pound was quite wrong wrong . i they are. well wrong wrong. i they are. well mr. pound who i'm a great admirer of on this occasion , it admirer of on this occasion, it must be the deliberately myopic

or looking through rose tinted specs . he's got some sort of specs. he's got some sort of short term memory issue because back in 2009 when labour in power remember the expenses scandal not a simple search about the expenses scandal by party on an american magazine called magazine. yeah here we go look at the and these are the most outrageous including john prescott's toilet seat that he broke on two occasions. i would be too embarrassed sell someone bosma toilet seat never mind get the taxpayer to pay for it i go on gordon brown andy bird and john prescott margaret beckett barbara follett, phil wallace labour labour's labour labour mr. pound, you have short memory issues, my friend . there were issues, my friend. there were two tories, one from a welsh and whatever. now this is belinda's right. the party in power is going to have to focus them and labour were in power. and so what do you have? you have 60% of the most outrageous tax return can they can do the

council so again the taxpayer to pay council so again the taxpayer to pay for broken seats repainting boats and things like that and six out of ten were labour. i suggest the repainting was probably a tory. think it was a tory labour mp, labour mp, gordon brown. gordon brown had to give talk . well, this is all to give talk. well, this is all in. gordon brown had to give back $10,000 because and his back $10,000 because he and his brother colluded to get some sort of cleaner to come round and do loads of properties. it's all it's all corrupt. so all bent, it's all corrupt. so for to say tories are at for labour to say tories are at it, i'm going to spin it back. yeah, no, no. you were right when you were just waiting to be fair. be fair you . look the fair. to be fair you. look the expenses scandal did happen and they were forced to give that money back and to do something about it. so these things and reforms have been made and so things have been changed. so these you refer these particular that you refer to true and there to are actually true and there they to deal with that. so they had to deal with that. so that was not a good scandal. and lot of people heard that. but things since then, things changed since then, supposedly in the supposedly in this the in the state expenses . but what

state of expenses. but what we're here with to we're seeing here with regard to this zahawi business is this nadhim zahawi business is a situation where even hear that he was sort of quite rude to journalists do was trying to threaten to sue threatening sue and needle this this does does not feel right i think at this the dean should have absolutely gutted and it doesn't look good but like i said, the people in power tend be the ones who are exposed more because in power if he's been proved , be unfit to be he's been proved, be unfit to be chairman of the party and was unfit to be chancellor, although we didn't know it at the time the question really is should he still remain an mp i mean, that's obviously for constituents decide. but does constituents to decide. but does raise question who's going raise that question who's going to party chairman to replace him as party chairman thursday ? sunak shouldn't thursday? sunak shouldn't have ditched . the findings ditched him until. the findings that that's the behaviour of a dictator. of basic dictator. one of the basic tenets of the great british that most of us really value is that you are innocent until proven guilty. i understand that but by his own words an actions zahawi had actually shown to rishi

sunak that he hadn't told him the truth . rishi sunak knew he the truth. rishi sunak knew he hadnt the truth. rishi sunak knew he hadn't told in the truth. so why didn't he say, look you haven't told me the truth about this? i'm afraid you've got to go, because the then have given him the option of resigning, whereas now he's been unceremonious now he's been very unceremonious leave because dean zahawi leave because the dean zahawi still all of this. still dispute all of this. in fact, dispute it all, fact, he does dispute it all, and allies of him apparently and his allies of him apparently say there racist say that there are racist undertones. i think it's undertones. well, i think it's quite i mean, look, playing the race card on this one, i suspect i work this is a thing that's an extra thing that's happened. and you know that it's got nothing to colour of his to do with the colour of his skin. this to a careless skin. this is to do a careless error. that's why he's gone. and also, once this happened, he the presiding chancellor, which presiding as chancellor, which whilst reported, was whilst this was reported, he was presiding chancellor and it sounds knew it. he sounds as though he knew it. he knew it . but with regard knew about it. but with regard to the gordon brown thing, so in his because this is i'm his defence because this is i'm reading from the scene by reading this from the scene by the way, is where i'm the way, this is where i'm getting so from said number 10 said the brothers she had said that the brothers she had a who in both their flats who worked in both their flats and brown paper and and andrew brown brown paper and and andrew brown brown paper and a investor for his

a burst of investor for his share but sister in law share but his sister in law clive is defending him clive brown is defending him saying definitely needs the saying he definitely needs the cleaner when london as cleaner when he's in london as part his expenses. so that's part of his expenses. so that's the defence but had to repay the defence but he had to repay the defence but he had to repay the well anyway anyway , the money. well anyway anyway, what's the difference nadhim zahawi. but, but, zahawi. yeah but, but, but i think that is quite different. the i think that's quite the reason i think that's quite different okay, the different is because, okay, the amount lot for amount seems a lot for a cleaner. what i know that i can to the amount. seems maybe to copy the amount. seems maybe very messy, but the point nadhim zahawi that it was a careless zahawi is that it was a careless error is hmrc and he was charged. so get that there are charged. so i get that there are a lot i get that if someone has to repay money because they've made error , then made a careless error, then surely very similar surely that's very similar to whether gordon and whether it's gordon brown and his in the his and his brother in the cleaner know he ought cleaner you know he ought to repay money he if he repay that money if he if he hadnt repay that money if he if he hadn't the legislation hadn't broken the legislation around expenses have around expenses he wouldn't have had the money. what's had to repay the money. what's the difference? they're both guilty. that's guilty. well, yes. and that's why gordon brown had to repay the money you give them. so you're saying according to what you're saying according to what you know, is trying to you know, none is trying to clarify something. and i'm trying to clarify. i think you're do is caveat you're trying to do is caveat what i've said with he didn't do

anything wrong say didn't anything wrong i say didn't do anything wrong i say didn't do anything i'm saying that the anything but i'm saying that the two situations different. two situations are different. well, you want to repay well, how do you want to repay money to repay money now? you've got to repay money now? you've got to repay money are cleaner is money there are cleaner is almost and apparently almost believable and apparently just justified it and to me just as justified it and to me that's perhaps he shouldn't put that's perhaps he shouldn't put that in expenses i think is the argument with that. yeah. the thing with the zahawi it was chancellor also he sounded chancellor and also he sounded i mean, the situation is mean, the whole situation is totally between the totally different between the property gravitas property trust, the gravitas situation with the journalists could see that this journalist, mr. neidl, i think his was getting to the but they tried to 939 getting to the but they tried to gag him if he thinks that he is innocent then you would you would defend yourself saying would defend yourself by saying if defamatory, if print something defamatory, then i will you to protect then i will sue you to protect my name. he did? yes. he thought that it was the needle has new juice was not defamatory . we juice was not defamatory. we know that now, but nadhim zahawi is still disputing it. no, no, no , listen. well, it's quiet. no, listen. well, it's quiet. listen very of to stand up listen very of you to stand up for but i think he knew all for him. but i think he knew all along. oh, do you think? well, we'll listen as long as we know he obviously, an he did. obviously, there was an issue would have known

issue that he would have known about, when he was about, but when he was chancellor, he must known chancellor, he must have known about issue. and about this issue. and apparently, i've read apparently, i mean, i've read that was made that boris johnson was made aware there a flag aware of that there was a flag on flag. the ethics on hmrc flag. the ethics committee had put a flag then they tried to say they tried to bnng they tried to say they tried to bring it to boris, but he can't do that because in charge right now. and the theme in charge of the but do you think the chancellor. but do you think when he was chancellor for 5 minutes under boris, wasn't he? and the minute presenter that's why such great didn't he. why it's such great didn't he. he then. but boris appointed him as when whatever his as chancellor when whatever his name went off literally name was went off and literally 5 minutes later he turned around random because boris random of course, because boris apparently knew about this, so perhaps did it. boris is perhaps he did it. boris is very. i make a humorous very. may i just make a humorous observation? obviously observation? and obviously humour but with humour is subjective, but with conservatives what conservatives coming, what conservatives coming, what conservative politicians, it's bofis conservative politicians, it's boris the team, it's rishi with labour, boris the team, it's rishi with labour , it's angela rayner, it's labour, it's angela rayner, it's keir starmer, it's made a third for some reason with constable , for some reason with constable, with calling conservative politicians their first names but uncomfortable with labour, as i said, humans subjective. and that was actually it wasn't

even funny. that was not good. you've got to have to have are you going to move on to have a unique name to be called by your class, by your first name? this show is nothing without. you add your well. come on. but your views as well. come on. but this voice is your opportunity to be on the and tell us what you think about the topics when discuss right. we created discuss saying right. we created twitter, ketamine, ketamine stuff. should stuff. yeah, i think we should have with john. john have a chat with john. john reads that, yes, capital reads out that, yes, capital complex some some complex, some carpets, some wicked john read wicked monster. it's a john read . john, speak to me. what do you think this you feel think about this do you feel more confidence in the tory government now that we have nadhim zahawi gone as the party chair it make you feel better? are you more comfortable with it? reveal yourself . rethink it? reveal yourself. rethink kidderminster. it? reveal yourself. rethink kidderminster . john do you feel kidderminster. john do you feel comfortable with ken? your question can now trust the tories should be could you ever trust the tories tories and you got a title? you probably . but got a title? you probably. but if you're like me , you've made a if you're like me, you've made a living all of your working and

you've tried to and your head above water. remember famous saying by the tories the nhs is safe with us. will you try telling the nurses and the doctors that now and not only is what about the police service ? what about the police service? what about the prison service with overflowing prisons ? with overflowing prisons? because the judiciary is not working effectively. we're not getting people through the courts quickly enough. the are keeping them in even longer than . they should do the whole of society is breaking down and then we get a vote this the army come say i'm very sorry. come in and say i'm very sorry. you know , i pay a bit of a fine. you know, i pay a bit of a fine. it's rubbish. i would never trust them any further than i could throw them. and that sums up my impression of them in a few words and it hits home. he's a big man. you would never be able to show him. and thank you very much, john. good to you. as a great british voice with his thoughts. but what are your as ever i've been asking, can you trust tories? not you've been trust tories? not if you've been saying think. let's saying what you think. let's see, says, i don't trust see, peter says, i don't trust any politicians from any any of the politicians from any party the interests

party to put the best interests of country lining of the country before lining their john says no their own pockets. john says no , but i trust labour even less that's politics, folks in clapton. jeff says, after throwing away an 80 seat majority, can anyone trust the tories? it's got a good point. there 80 seat majority where it all go wrong when they rid of bofis all go wrong when they rid of boris ? no, with me, i'm none of boris? no, with me, i'm none of this is a good is on tv online and on radio after the break it's , time for world view. the it's, time for world view. the prime minister sent the heart to the british people with ukraine as germany in the usa more tanks to country. we back after this .

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aquanan news for free. i'm not a aquarian and it's now time for world view which is sunak has told the people ukraine in the hearts of the british people are with them. this comes as germany and america have pledged to send tanks. in aid their war tanks. ukraine in aid their war effort. joining me to talk about that danny cool. he's danny that is danny cool. he's danny kelly . i don't know if you kelly. i don't know if you changed danny . danny also, he's changed danny. danny also, he's a russian expert. danny going on then. so with these tanks, they're coming but they're going to be there, what, in months, not yeah, well that's the not weeks? yeah, well that's the thing. i mean, rishi sunak has said that the british hearts are with the ukrainian. he said with the ukrainian. he also said the course the uk , the and of course the uk, rather, will stand with ukraine and aid them for as long as it takes. but they certainly the argument on the russian side of it is as long as the west continues aid ukraine and continues aid ukraine and continues to. what some would call funnelling money into this proxy war in ukraine. us and nato russia. that's how long the war will go now. tanks have been tanks have been sanctioned and signed to be delivered by

germany and uk and the us. of course there's lots of political wrangling that. there was the ramstein meeting that failed to reach a conclusion on whether germany send over tanks . germany should send over tanks. we those tanks we finally have those tanks going it take until going over. it could take until march. it take weeks and months. and course, you have to and then, of course, you have to factor in the training of the troops to, work out this kind of weaponry. see how this weaponry. if we see how this has been accepted by ukraine about president volodymyr zelenskyy , president volodymyr zelenskyy, he that it is not he has said that it is not enough. basically he's also enough. basically and he's also asked for fighter jets and the f—15 fighter jets are basically us made fighter jets the used by many nato that were deployed to poland as early as february 22, just before the invasion as a deterrent . and i've been deterrent. and i've been deployed as as december 2020 to a 2022. so i. to carry out some deterrence missions during the war. now what this means is that if these f—15 fighter jets are given to ukraine, that would

completely vladimir putin's pretext for war. that if russia hadnt pretext for war. that if russia hadn't launched this invasion, there would be a an attack from there would be a an attack from the other side. he didn't want nato bases . it's not if it's not nato bases. it's not if it's not his country. i mean, you know , his country. i mean, you know, he his country is russia . if he his country is russia. if he's posing a threat to other countries on the borders, then what he expect them to do, they're not just going to sit there and, wait for. he's already invaded places like finland. i mean, russia has invaded places like in places on the borders. where can the borders. what where we can we turn it his head and we can turn it on his head and say from the russian side, of course, now are fighting this world, this, the fighting world, this this, the fighting that's in ukraine against german tanks, which is what they did in world war ii. and that's how it's been kind of reported in russian state media. that's what the message the kremlin the message from the kremlin coming the people now. coming down to the people now. what saw in when the ukraine what we saw in when the ukraine war and the conflict was ukraine crisis when it was leading to the invasion . the main thing

the invasion. the main thing the, main red line for russia is that they didn't want ukraine join nato because then that would mean that they would be air bases and bases where. you could station missiles as well. that's tough on russia that's tough. they they they were the biggest red line. now if they were party to the budapest memorandum, which said that they would support ukraine in terms of of war just in case of efforts of war just in case because to arm because they got them to arm with nuclear armament and with their nuclear armament and they that and now they are they did that and now they are they did that and now they are the aggressor. so now we have all bets are off. they've broken the rules. well, yeah, but now we this rhetoric we have this rhetoric of politicians to send politicians that we need to send message vladimir we message to vladimir putin. we need get tough with vladimir need to get tough with vladimir putin. given putin. that has never given a bilateral really beneficial outcome has never given outcome that has never given anything that be seen as a resolution to this . if we take resolution to this. if we take it back to when it was the ukraine, what was what it was called, the ukraine crisis before the invasion, there were five countries that shared a border with russia where the us and nato could theoretically put these fighter jets and put this

this weaponry within firing distance of moscow. they didn't want it to become seven with georgia and ukraine, and that's basically we're now. basically where we're at now. but politicians to be but if politicians wanted to be tough, would have accepted tough, they would have accepted ukraine nato but they haven't done that because it's a huge red line for russia and they don't to basically have to bear. well, perhaps they shouldn't invade would be invade countries. that would be that danielle thank you that really. danielle thank you very for joining that really. danielle thank you very forjoining me . that really. danielle thank you very forjoining me. right. very much forjoining me. right. let's to america now let's travel over to america now and a chat with the and let's have a chat with the host politics podcast, host of the politics podcast, paul duddridge . paul, thank you paul duddridge. paul, thank you so joining me. now that so much forjoining me. now that awful, awful horrendous story about the killing of terry nichols. what what can you tell us? you know , i mean , honestly, us? you know, i mean, honestly, i can't even listen to that. the of that is horrendous and it is harrowing that forgive my croaky voice by the way i'm fighting flu the. your reaction and think it's the same worldwide it's been extraordinary that video was actually how is reported that it was held back for

release until late friday so that by memphis police to make that by memphis police to make that schools were out and most people were away from their places work to try and minimise the reaction not surprisingly it sparked . well nation wide sparked. well nation wide protests in the us we're looking at something like 20 protest that's taking place . we speak that's taking place. we speak from los angeles sacramento , from los angeles sacramento, boston, atlanta detroit, new york. some of these are turning violent. columbus, ohio philadelphia, pittsburgh there's been a wide outpour of emotion about this . and the death on the about this. and the death on the 10th of january of tyree nichols, as you say, 29 years old. yes so i think the reaction has been universal and really we can speak to at the moment is the reaction the us that has been universally condemned . been universally condemned. trump came out and said this

just shouldn't have happened and has spoken to the mother and the stepfather of tyree nichols. on friday. well, as i said, i think that this has been actually as delicately and sensitively as possible to try and mitigate in the void as much of the potential violence, as and i it was black on black as so as black officers. you did , which black officers. you did, which is you know, when i saw the george floyd incident, of course , the four officers, only two were actually white. one was of asian descent and another one was black. and i, in my saw it as police violence . and it seems as police violence. and it seems to be something that is prevalent the states i'm wondering how false the reaction have been if they had been white officers did did they feel that the reaction would have been same if it had been white officers? very briefly, then we can move on to trump. no, i think you raise a great point i mean, the only it gosh, mean, the only thing it gosh, there saving grace in this there is no saving grace in this entire story. part of entire story. but part of i think what is making quite

think what is making this quite not explosive as the george not as explosive as the george floyd incident is the fact that all five officers are black . all five officers are black. well, let's move on to trump then, because, i mean, that's story. this one, you know , i story. this one, you know, i can't even listen to or watch that video and i won't watching it. but let's talk trump now because he's apparently making a comeback to see what's going on to the and see what's that about . yeah well, obviously, he announced in november that he was making an official bid to be president again in, 2024. and yes , saturday he began his yes, saturday he began his official campaigning. and this was in new hampshire and north south carolina. i beg your pardon and so he's become the actual official campaigning. so i'm saying was very low key. i mean he can command huge crowds when he wants to but this was a much more sedate some would say political version of trump much more presidential, political version of trump much more presidential , shall we say,

more presidential, shall we say, wasn't quite as rousing as we're used to seeing from president. but as we've been saying , used to seeing from president. but as we've been saying, he's an i'm going to angrier than even an i'm going to angrier than ever. i think we take away he's angner ever. i think we take away he's angrier ever. lovely to talk to you again . that's pulled up to you again. that's pulled up to a taste of the politics people podcast. this is gb views more to come in the next hour. good afternoon . just gone 5:00. good afternoon. just gone 5:00. this is we are the people's channel. i'm acquire now i stay tuned because of the next hour me and my panel we'll be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now the way i'll be joined by a famous olympic swimmer. he'll be talking us about these highs talking to us about these highs and comes next as and lows and what comes next as he's on outside all that. do he's on outside of all that. do you who is? message me. you know who he is? message me. let know. coming up well, let me know. coming up as well, the great budget this the great budget debate this houn the great budget debate this hour. keir hour. i'm asking sir keir starmer hypocrite on starmer a hypocrite on education. first, though, let's

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the headlines for a week the rule of politics is that if you do that, it's very hard to remain in office . well, labour remain in office. well, labour party chair annaliese dodds has written to the prime minister saying has a lot of questions to answer . what saying has a lot of questions to answer. what did he know when about that enormous settlement that nadhim zahawi was negotiating hmrc and the huge penalty that he had to pay point of rishi say in parliament that all questions had been answered about this affair and why on earth is the prime minister holding up this rogue's gallery of conservative ministers with others who obviously have broken security , who are subject to security, who are subject to allegations of very serious bullying , allegations of very serious bullying, and yet allegations of very serious bullying , and yet the allegations of very serious bullying, and yet the prime minister seems weak to act against them . some breaking news against them. some breaking news now and newly convicted trans gender person with a history of violence against women will be placed in prisons in scotland .

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announce six week deadline for developers tomorrow, forcing them to sign a contract to fix their unsafe or be banned from building new ones. the fire at the residential tower block in west london killed 72 people in 2017. boris johnson was reportedly told to stop asking richard sharpe for advice about his personal financial matters. just two weeks before he was announced as the new chairman of the. according to the sunday times, mr. johnson who was pm at the time was to stop discussions in december 2020. sharpe, a former banker , is facing calls former banker, is facing calls to resign after it emerged that he introduced , the former pm to he introduced, the former pm to a guarantor for a loan . the a guarantor for a loan. the government will publish an urgent emergency care plan tomorrow to try to tackle pressures on the nhs . it comes pressures on the nhs. it comes as the health departments announced plans to build virtual beds caring for tens of

thousands elderly and vulnerable people in own homes. the health secretary that there is no quick fix but said shifting care away from hospitals will reduce times. however, shadow health secretary wes streeting has accused the government of sticking plaster . it seems to sticking plaster. it seems to have from 14 new hospitals to hospital at home. i think a lot of people will say, well, how will i be able to be treated in my own home? the government's half the number of district who are essential provide support in the community. i think this is a government that's run out of steam, run out of ideas and isn't able to deal with the fundamental of the nhs. and so the resorting to sticking plasters . dame esther rantzen plasters. dame esther rantzen has revealed that she's been diagnosed with lung but says she's remaining optimistic. the 82 year old admitted it's been difficult keeping her diagnosis a secret and says she wanted to share the news in her own words. last year the broadcaster received a lifetime achievement

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news or. what's better? right. so now it is time for outside . so now it is time for outside. and this is my special guest now . did you get he is best known. he's a competitive swimmer. he's the country in the olympics the world championships and also the commonwealth. he became the fastest in the country by the age of 15. he's considered to be one of the most successful swimmers in britain. the now 52 year old. so quite considerably older than me. that's one sixth of all the championship titles to commonwealth titles and 11 european titles during his career and his best events include the 50 metres butterfly, 50 metres freestyle and following his swimming career. i slept against has made several appearances on various. slept against has made several appearances on various . one of appearances on various. one of those is strictly the weakest link and through the keyhole not only he remained in the spotlight, he's also trying into charity work. so who is he? he is former olympic swimmer mark foster. mark thank you very much for joining me. i'm going is

forjoining me. i'm going is guessing did you guys want to was it's my apologise for your research first of all because she asked me to send in some pictures when i was younger. oh really. you could have a little bit of a. yeah, yeah. but you're quite sweet when you're little. what i'm not well what what said i'm not well what you told when but then i'm sat told me when but then i'm sat down but you down anyway so. but were you told you young. yeah i told when you were young. yeah i was of six foot one when i was kind of six foot one when i was kind of six foot one when i was 13. really how tall are you now? six foot six now. that must help swimming. it help with swimming. it does. i mean, general terms make mean, in general terms i'll make it basic, the important things for swimming are big paddles, big big hand. big flippers, big fake big hand. so massive hands up. my so i've got massive hands up. my hands than you. no hands are bigger than you. so no , not almost that big. the big . , not almost that big. the big. go, go, go. yeah my dad said to me, no, no, your deformed, your hands are bigger than mine. so this said, so what got you into swimming? i'm a little like most kids, really. it's sort of life skill. one of the big reasons why i got pushed in the pool so to speak, was my dad 11 for him. he got thrown in the lake, petrified of water nearly drowned he, never learned to

swim produced a set myself. my sisters alone for safety sisters were alone for safety reasons to take as reasons, so we used to take as long the pool and throw us long as the pool and throw us around. i went for the around. and then i went for the important bit was swimming lessons and probably what a lot of or they of people don't know or they wouldn't that my swimming wouldn't know that my swimming teacher was elderly. mrs. hardcastle the mother hardcastle, who was the mother of called sarah of a girl called sarah hardcastle, went to the 1984 hardcastle, who went to the 1984 olympics silver and olympics and won a silver and bronze in the 48 under freestyle. that was my teacher. so she had good, i suppose so she had a good, i suppose when in the and when got in the water and i showed promise, she pushed me into club and it sort of into the club and it sort of from there. and so you mean age 15. you fabulous swimmer. i 15. you were fabulous swimmer. i mean, talk to me the mean, talk to me about the uk farm the uk. yeah, it farm system in the uk. yeah, it was let me around was the fosters let me around the what did the national the world what did the national championships and i compare myself for everybody the myself for everybody else in the world magazine oldest world back magazine the oldest results read those results so i kind of read those the road in the world and the living road in the world and then 15 became the fastest then at 15 became the fastest woman the senior man, woman the uk senior man, whatever. a scholarship to whatever. i had a scholarship to millfield if went millfield school, so if i went down my big thing is down there, but my big thing is i surround people better i surround myself people better than every i push myself than me. so every i push myself and learn from other people and i kind create a good habits

i kind of create a good habits by having better people around me. well, that is more luck than judgement to fair. judgement to be fair. well, that's as well. that's very important as well. i mean, you yourself with ten mean, if you yourself with ten trumps, the 11th one. trumps, you'll be the 11th one. surround ten surround yourself ten billionaires, 11th billionaires, you'll be the 11th one. course, that's one. of course, that's that's how it goes. but swimming has been obviously a big thing in your the biggest your life. what is the biggest that feel that you've that you feel that you've done in proudest moment you've in the proudest moment you've had, suppose, a couple of had, i suppose, a couple of things. i've got to carry the flag round at. the 2008 olympic games opening ceremonies flagbearer gb, my fifth flagbearer for team gb, my fifth olympics. i'm going to be my last olympics. so walking into the stadium on the flag the olympic stadium on the flag and team gb in front and leading up team gb in front of 85,000 people awesome . of 85,000 people was awesome. and pooli of 85,000 people was awesome. and pool, i suppose the and in the pool, i suppose the world record for the 50 freestyle. wow. which that i was the fastest for that the fastest human being to travel through water and. i broke it eight times but other people broke it it's now moved on but you have to be so you had to be so focussed. you must have given up quite a lot to do all of this sacrifice is i don't think i noficed sacrifice is i don't think i noticed any sacrifices simply

because all the people hanging around with my mates the around with my mates did the same . so i think i to put same thing. so i think i to put even though is followed by making a sacrifice . had mates making a sacrifice. had my mates been the weekend been going out on the weekend have like, oh great, i'm have been like, oh great, i'm going training going out for another training session. weekends kind of session. but weekends kind of swimming , session. but weekends kind of swimming, swimming competitions, training come and don't get me wrong, i think when i didn't get paid a into those 22 years paid a penny into those 22 years of age so until that point, it was just my passion. was just my love, my passion. and i thought, oh, this is and then i thought, oh, this is a sports person that a job. any sports person that tells you that it's not the best job in world, that your love and your passion becomes, your job, albeit to albeit i knew, was going to retire at but for that retire early at 38, but for that moment, mean, it a dream. but moment, i mean, it a dream. but what do you think now because i'm to ask because there's i'm to ask you, because there's always big trans argument. always this big trans argument. and, know, of we had and, you know, of course we had this situation thomas, this situation with lia thomas, who civil , who the fastest female civil, you the female category you know, in the female category . what do you think as you're looking that? obviously looking that? because obviously when this wasn't the when you swing this wasn't the thing. no know was it not i don't it was yeah. we didn't hear anything but i think at the

same time looking at it from my perspective now look it from a level playing field so to speak. if you took a 20 year old me that was in his peak of his powers, the world record holder. so speak and then i transitioned if that would have been what i wanted to do and then i came up against female swimmers like generally what the flow with them and i think that would have been slightly unfair. but then i was a world record male, world record holder. i think it's unfair that you try and put those two on a level playing field. think when for field. and i think when for years fought for rights in years have fought for rights in whatever arena it is, all of a sudden another level sudden your your another level playing field and think elite playing field and i think elite sport is unfair and possibly potentially dangerous when you look at the likes of i don't know and then my yeah there was boxing or for example you've got these you know your , bigger these you know your, bigger jeans, bigger bigger arms a lot. so i think it would be unfair.

yeah, it shouldn't in my view. it shouldn't be that way. but anyway, other things you've done because i actually met you many ago. there was a you didn't remember me because you in you don't ski. that's right. well, i had a big afro as well, but used to do fit steps, which was like a dance thing. it's like a dance workout. you got involved in that. how did you move from what you're to was that you're doing to that? was that the thing you moved it the first thing you moved to. it was experience became an was an experience became an opportunity. i did strictly opportunity. so i did strictly come 2008. made it halfway. come in 2008. i made it halfway. i it i love i love the show and i it i love i love the show and i didn't realise that you could have so much fun dancing but also fit by dancing with my also get fit by dancing with my whole world was obviously whole sports world was obviously in the and i realising how in the pool and i realising how much fun it was. i had a big thing about getting people fit and healthy. and in my head it was be through exercise was going to be through exercise that in the gym, that i used to do in the gym, but then doing strictly and realising would. realising that people would. some people don't like swimming, biking but they biking running gyms, but they loved from kids loved dance and from kids to parents, grandparents, kind parents, grandparents, it kind of so i got of splits all ages. so i got together ian and together with ian white and natalie the pro dancers

natalie lowe to the pro dancers from and i said , you from strictly, and i said, you know, dance, i know fitness do the health wellbeing side of things you the dance side of things you do the dance side of things you do the dance side of things private footsteps things we, private footsteps which in the 14 latin which is used in the 14 latin and ballroom dances strictly and we it into a dance class. we put it into a dance class. people follow a teacher and people can follow a teacher and get and not just the get and healthy and not just the health the community so health side the community so that's socialised as well. i that's all socialised as well. i know because i was a fit steps instructor. you were said you were as well i did were i instructor as well i did you call and also trained master training. yeah i used to train power hub everything i did all of it i as well to training stuff that you should do that you think is this no something like this that's not what your job digs for as i'll i'll get danny onto it. my panellists talk don't get him onto you won't get around him and then you're also a bit of philanthropist, you're a patron anaphylaxis campaign. what talk to about why you decided to to me about why you decided to become it was quite painful story but when i trained in bath i'm trying to bath and obviously part of the shooting programme and the programme had colin

jackson and there was obviously the athletes and the swimmers and i used to hang out with the athletes a lot and those were the athletes in particular that used to train with colin jackson was the next up and was going to be the next up and coming colin jackson and his name ross. now ross had name was ross. now ross had a nut allergy, which he knew about and people knew about. i knew about. colin was training about. and colin was training one day a competition and i with ross and we've been training in the a gym session the morning done a gym session we to get a sandwich at we went to get a sandwich at lunchtime and he didn't want to be a hassle to the guy who owns a so i said, i'll a sandwich shop. so i said, i'll have chicken have one have chicken lost, i'll have one of i didn't know what was of them. i didn't know what was in it. he didn't know what was in it. he didn't know what was in it. he didn't know what was in it anyway, long, long story short, nuts in sauce. he had short, nuts in sauce. and he had a reaction it basically a reaction it and basically three days later he died. and i'm seeing somebody that was so i'm seeing somebody that was so i a very, very good friend but, someone that was so fit and something that you couldn't even see could affect somebody that i sort of put my so my weight. i sort of put my so my weight. i sort of put my so my weight. i sort of thought i get involved

with trying to help out people's awareness around anaphylactic shock that's not just nuts that can be from bee stings and everything else it's it was frightening yeah must frightening but yeah it must have frightening for have been very frightening for you sounds you sorry say that it sounds like a great it was awesome like a great guy it was awesome . it was awesome. that was a lovely love. it wouldn't hurt anybody whatsoever. so yeah, it was a good side by side also was a good side by side and also use space person for lgbtq+ as well taught us about that i suppose it comes . a as a kid suppose it comes. a as a kid growing up late seventies eighties realising that i was different but hearing you know i kind of knew i was gay but but a penod kind of knew i was gay but but a period in a time when from the playground to the news papers even the changing room where it was all being gays not rights, not normal . and i kind of went, not normal. and i kind of went, oh, is that me. i wasn't quite sure my sexuality, i felt that i was attracted men, but i kind of wanted away and i thought, well,

don't show yourself because people are not going in to judge you. and i was afraid of people's reaction. and then when i became a professional swimmer, i became a professional swimmer, i was worried about what sponsors think. so i kind sponsors might think. so i kind of two separate you of lived two separate lives. you i'd marched ceremony i'd marched the ceremony that mark life for a long mark the home life for a long penod mark the home life for a long period of time throughout my whole swimming career. so i never felt not safe in i was never felt not safe as in i was afraid being physically afraid of being physically beaten up, but just afraid showing my true self really . so showing my true self really. so it wasn't until about it was it wasn't until about four or five years ago at 47 that i kind of i guess i came out officially came out and did some stuff in the papers. face it, swimming is not football. it's not that much interest . and it's not that much interest. and it's not that much interest. and i i wasn't a tortured i realised i wasn't a tortured soul. realised in parts soul. but also realised in parts of uk people are beaten up of the uk people are beaten up on a basis and abused and on a daily basis and abused and around the world is the death penalty it's frightening and penalty and it's frightening and shocking and i thought well i've got a platform mark and staff and someone somewhere get and maybe someone somewhere get and maybe someone somewhere get a little bit of strength from that now good on you good on you.so that now good on you good on you. so what do you do now. what's your big thing? what's your next big thing? i've got

fit steps. got some academy fit steps. i've got some academy i lot speaking so not kind fit steps. i've got some academy i speaking)eaking so not kind fit steps. i've got some academy i speaking buting so not kind fit steps. i've got some academy i speaking but in] so not kind fit steps. i've got some academy i speaking but in front ot kind fit steps. i've got some academy i speaking but in front of kind fit steps. i've got some academy i speaking but in front of from of speaking but in front of from kids at school to universities to government to private to government sector to private businesses . so whether it's businesses. so whether it's motivational speaking or coming out, bringing, bringing your best self to work , dealing with best self to work, dealing with mental health, wellbeing , do mental health, wellbeing, do a lot of speaking well. listen, mark been good listening seeing you again and thinking about you didn't remember me. mark didn't even remember me. mark this knee better follow me back on. i woke up almost 24 hours with what you did to me. okay. thank you. that's what foster. he's amazing swimmer he's a fabulous, amazing swimmer , of course, olympic swimmer. well, stay with me. coming up . well, stay with me. coming up. it is the great british debate this asking, is the keir this hour asking, is the keir starmer a hypocrite on education? they it's education? they believe it's keir promised to keir starmer has promised to scrap status of scrap charitable status of independent despite independent schools despite receiving a thirst for doing his sixth after . his sixth form years after. his grammar school turned private . grammar school turned private. so you think he's being a hypocrite ? join for the hypocrite? join me for the debate after .

good and it's just coming up to 23 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv online on digital radio i'm nana akua. now it's time for our great british debate this hour. time for our great british debate this hour . and i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, is sir keir starmer a hypocrite on education now? the labour leader passed the 11 plus exam and attended reigate grammar school in 1974. but following the abolition of the direct grant, it became an independent fee paying school years later. now this means keir starmer benefited from a private school charity bursary to help fund his studies at a fee paying . sixth form school . so the . sixth form school. so the labour leader is now vowing to end the charitable status of private schools. and that means the parents of private school students could face paying a% vat on fees which could vat charge on fees which could push them up to around two

around 90,000 private school children in state schools. and that would be removing the charitable status which could apparently raise 1.7 billion. and with 104 million in business rates further money to fund the state sector. and that is set to be heavily disrupted across the next month, according to the national education union. so the teachers, of course, going on strike on wednesday i know because my son and daughter will because my son and daughter will be at home so i'm quite looking forward to it. still got the forward to it. we still got the christmas tree up. they can take it down. two of them. i know one's five, though. he's one's only five, though. he's not much help. but not going to be much help. but critics down to starmer's critics of down to starmer's party hypocrites as the likes of him. jeremy corbyn, tony blair, shami chakrabarti, thornberry and attended and diane abbott all attended all private all send their kids to private schools . so that's great. but to schools. so that's great. but to make this a mosque is the keir starmer hypocrites on education. well, joined by mep and well, i'm joined by mep and businessman ben habib and reality star accommodation reality tv star accommodation rent—a—car . just the two of rent—a—car. just the two of them. just you two. oh somebody deserted us. i'm going to start

with even have a bed. so keir starmer, he has had benefit of a private education even went to a grammar school as well. another bursary. what do you . well, i bursary. what do you. well, i mean, he's he's obviously a hypocrite just by that measure . hypocrite just by that measure. but, you know, let's just look at the what he's advocating , at the what he's advocating, advocating what i think the lowest form of politics, the politics of envy, stripping charitable status , schools that charitable status, schools that actually the pride, you know, the one thing this country does really well is the public school system. and it's an easy target for him , isn't it, because he for him, isn't it, because he thinks he's going to score political attacking , what political points attacking, what is regarded as the private system. but they're not private. they do do charitable work. that's why they have charitable status. but i on the governing body for a while of rugby school, which is my mater as well rugby, has about a third of its students who get bursaries. so these are not children who are getting scholarships because they're particularly clever. it's normal children , but from

it's normal children, but from financially disadvantaged backgrounds who get a leg up, they're not just to get your head around that a third of their intake comes from financially disadvantaged students. if you remove the charitable status from schools you take away of all the incentive for them to do any in their communities and, you increase the burden on those who are paying for it. increase the burden on those who are paying for it . and what's are paying for it. and what's going to happen? you're going to damage this fantastic institute that we have in the united , and that we have in the united, and there will be no benefit for the state schools . and that's the state schools. and that's the point. what keir starmer is any vision how to increase the quality of education in the state sector and that's what he needs to focus on and he needs to stop attacking something that actually works incredibly well and a fantastic and fulfils a fantastic charitable purpose. well, what would say to that, because it's been pointed out a third of the pupils that went to this particular school were actually being funded by the school itself. so those people did go back to hang on, let me finish.

those kids would go back to the state sector. so how do you state and sector. so how do you think you think? do you think what do you think? do you think what do you think? do you think hypocrite? well, think it's a hypocrite? well, firstly, don't it's firstly, i don't it's hypocritical. i think there's nothing hypocritical about kirsten wanting equal education all and state school education has been underfunded nearly 13 years now and teachers are striking next week because that's the target state. the school isn't working has disadvantage because of a two tier education system. keir starmer has realises benefited from a system that's fundamentally wrong. why are private schools not tax? they're not charitable. they pick and choose. not charitable. they pick and choose . and actually i would say choose. and actually i would say the same they are 4% only offer for bursaries 4. that's not enough. that's sort of suit. i would fact check that. and actually they're not tax. why are they not taxed? can i ask nannder are they not taxed? can i ask narinder narinder. did you go to a private school . i didn't go to a private school. i didn't go to private school, but actually i will confess, i sent my children

to private. private privately . i to private. private privately. i regret it, but it's . did your regret it, but it's. did your child did your child private school then ? so they went school then? so they went through the private school system. oh took them. we took them out and put them in a state school because i felt it was just fundamentally wrong the just fundamentally wrong and the children abc, there children that were on abc, there was one or two children in the whole that is not third. whole year. that is not a third. that's not right and they should not be. narinder thinks they would the first and would have the first lap and respond that they would have that charitable status stripped of them if they weren't a genuine charitable endeavour, a charitable service. so it just it just can't be right that the school that you cited is giving such a small service, as it were, to the charitable sector. can't be right. and the other thing i by the way, i agree with you. there's a two tier system. you have the private that are fantastic and you have the state schools that are rubbish, but you don't bring up the state schools by damaging the private schools by damaging the private schools what what what the schools. what you what what the labour has do and what

labour party has to do and what politicians generally do politicians generally have to do is focusing on the politics is stop focusing on the politics of envy and start on the improvement across . the board improvement across. the board for everyone , be educated . well, for everyone, be educated. well, what do you say to that? i mean, it feels like a race to the bottom they not it's not fair at all they've been severely underfunded public schools have they need money. why are private schools not tax taxed and puts more money so that we have the most important thing as a taxpayer is of equal education for our children. whether you poor or whether you are rich . poor or whether you are rich. and actually the emphasis should be on greater education. it to be on greater education. it to be a level playing field and then is not a level playing field at all because people are to send it back to the private school and actually the schools are making profit. no, they're not. i was going to just say that then respond to make making you cannot hold charitable status , make a profit. you have status, make a profit. you have to be not for profit and this idea that is an issue that if you don't improve the state

sector by damaging the private sector, it's just a fundamentally flawed politics of envy, redistribution of wealth, socialist concept just doesn't work. what what keir starmer should do is focus on how he's going to improve standards in the state school and let the private sector. get on with what it's because it's doing it incredibly well and with a charitable endeavour that helps the country . well, what would the country. well, what would you say? i disagree with that. so it's a no, no, no, no. they pick and choose which children come in by taking does how is that charitable bank okay can i can i just say can i just say okay well look look i went to a private school. i off as a comprehensive schools. i went to a private school and my parents had to pay for my education. but there children there were plenty of children that being supported that were being supported and paid scholarship kids. paid for and scholarship kids. but only that i'll give you but not only that i'll give you an example of what some of these private did. this private school did. this particular every week particular school every week has a picks up of a minibus that picks up loads of the elderly takes them to the elderly and takes them to the elderly and takes them to the and feeds them and the school and feeds them and does do charity things does so. they do charity things as i think that's

as well. i think that's something keir starmer was missing with ideas . i don't missing with ideas. i don't think he's missing that at he's actually saying it's fundamentally he's looked at the system that he was in through abuse may add to its he's not being a hypocrite all we're into vision he's what's deduction for the state sector apart from removing status and enforcing these charitable entities not to cease that charitable activities. what is his vision for the state? how is he going to improve the state sector? he's going to raise maybe another 1% the funding by, adding vat to the bills of private schools. how is that extra 1% of funding going to him? improve the state sector? what is his vision for the state sector? well we need more public funding into schools. if anything, that we need more pubuc anything, that we need more public i'd say take a public funding. i'd say take a little nhs. we need it little bit from nhs. we need it in schools because children in our schools because children to nhs quite a do yes. the nhs doctor did nhs. the nhs has got just about 7 million people on

the waiting list and is currently working out how they're going to send an ambulance you within more than a day. serious? well, day. are you serious? well, whether they much money and whether they so much money and i think schools need it more i children need an equal education we need more funding into our state schools because in a dire state schools because in a dire state children that's true that's true they're in a dire state as we speak. listen thank you so much. narinder kaur very . good to talk to you, too. tv star and also ben to be he's a former and a businessman. thank you much joining me. let's you so much joining me. let's see what you've been saying daryl says he's a hypocrite on everything. joshua to be honest, i think most politicians are hypocrites the tories hypocrites and says the tories have become the party of casual corruption . they destroyed corruption. they have destroyed our lining our country while lining pockets. the hypocrites pockets. they are the hypocrites . well, resounding hypocrites all over are with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv onune akua. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio on the way. we'll continue with our british debate this and i'm asking , is british debate this and i'm asking, is sir keir starmer a hypocrite on education it is a thoughts . my panel, author and

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labour leader vowing to end the charitable status of private schools, which means that parents could face paying a 20% vat charge on fees which can potentially push around 90,000 private school children into state schools . i don't think state schools. i don't think he's worked out the cost . so he's worked out the cost. so removing the stages could raise around about 1.7 billion , with around about 1.7 billion, with 104 million in business rates. but i'm wondering how much it would cost to add 90,000 children back into the state system and that would allow further to money fund the state education sector , which they education sector, which they would be needed because kids are just new. 90,000 are just new. 90,000 children are probably there and probably gone. there and basically month as well this month as well. we've got some strikes because the teachers within sector are not happy. critics have dubbed starmer's labour party as hypocrites because people jeremy corbyn, tony shami chakrabarti, emily thornberry and diane abbott attended or sent their kids to private school. so for the great british debate this year, i'm asking, is sir keir starmer a

hypocrite on education? let's see what my panel of that. i'm joined by author and broadcaster christine also christine hamilton and also broadcaster danny broadcaster journalist danny kelly. to start kelly. danny, i'm going to start you. a hypocrite . did you you. is he a hypocrite. did you go? yeah, i did go to private school here. i left with absolutely nothing. i was about say no and answer for you, but you're left with nothing. absolutely nothing it was absolutely nothing. and it was thousands pounds. not well thousands of pounds. not well spent. how about you? what? was your angry about that? yeah, your dad angry about that? yeah, i were very i think they were very disappointed me. the disappointed. with me. and the crazy is, is what i crazy thing is, is what i haven't once in order to be haven't used once in order to be a success away from school. but what went very well, i was too much of a joke. i took nothing seriously. i was a scully. like you've heard the term scully work normally is term of work normally is a term of endearment. i probably endearment. but i probably ruined of other kids ruined loads of other kids education. i was just a horrible using as a term . but using scully as a term. but again, no, that's subjective. is keir starmer a hypocrisy? no, that's ludicrous . keir starmer a hypocrisy? no, that's ludicrous. he was 16 when he went. now, keir starmer at 16, had no control where his

parents were to take him or send him to secondary education. how can it be hypocritical that this is unfair? i'll just hold for a second. now he developed. he's now 60, i think and he's a parents now , every parent wants parents now, every parent wants the very best. i'm going to defend narinder. we don't know why she decided to . send her why she decided to. send her kids to private school . she may kids to private school. she may live in the dog. rough part of leicester where all the local cops of violence and, you know, kids fighting and all of that. she may . i kids fighting and all of that. she may. i think she does. kids fighting and all of that. she may . i think she does. yes. she may. i think she does. yes. okay so she lives in the leicester ghetto. i don't know. and she wants the best for her. and she wants the best for her. and i think that is admirable . and i think that is admirable. that doesn't mean that she can't . part of a bigger conversation about how money is spent on private education because every parent wants very best for parent wants the very best for their children. okay well, you're quite right. nobody can blame themselves where they were sent school. i i was sent to sent to school. i i was sent to a private school. i was and i then went to a grammar school. so had i've had a wide so i've had i've had a wide education, but it's . so

education, but it's. so therefore, it's not hypocritical of keir starmer but that to me their approach this whole their approach in this whole debate in wrong way. the ones who hypocritical are the who are hypocritical are the ones send their children ones who send their children apparently jeremy corbyn's second it was the major second wife. it was the major cause because she cause of divorce because she wanted to send their to son a private school and he wouldn't have it when she said, i am not sacrificing my son's future on the altar of your political principles. apparently so good for her. good for him, as it were. no good for her. anyway, what we should be having is we should be trying to level up, not level the private not level down the private schools are acknowledged have schools are acknowledged to have better results , everything. so schools are acknowledged to have bett

work. mean, you go to you get work. i mean, you go to you get you get your money and you choose where you spend it on food. this is what every parents with parent at the with every parent was at the moment. if you choose have moment. if you choose to have private education, you have to pay private education, you have to pay twice in tax, twice you're tax twice and paying tax twice and you're paying twice for it. just like health, education you're paying twice. now, people prepared to do now, if people prepared to do that to do , they are that and able to do, they are the who's going to pay for the lucky who's going to pay for it. if those millions, if not parents are going to be given a choice and a come from it be parents are going to be given a citaxa and a come from it be parents are going to be given a citax andj a come from it be parents are going to be given a citax and listenne from it be parents are going to be given a citax and listen government it be parents are going to be given a citax and listen government area a tax and listen government are paying a tax and listen government are paying anyway. this just paying for it anyway. this just gives we're paying for normal gives we're paying for a normal ordinary don't have ordinary parents who don't have enough gives them some enough income it gives them some bargaining right, bargaining power to say, right, if happy the education if i'm not happy the education at school, i go . to at this school, i will go. to another school it puts the control in the hands of the parents. to me, what is the parents. when to me, what is the moment? can i just say i'm going to just have to go to to take. they just have to go to the local and that's a st the local school and that's a st school. well, listen boy, school. tough. well, listen boy, wherever think he's wherever i stand, i think he's an hypocrite. i cannot an absolute hypocrite. i cannot even you're so even believe that you're is so weak because he went there. weak that because he went there. that's just ridiculous. listen if you have personally benefited

from something, you've from something, whether you've paid it or somebody else paid for it or somebody else paid for it or somebody else paid for it or somebody else paid for it. that is the point. you personally benefited from and know, know the and then you know, know the saying, oh, well, it's not my fault. me there. fault. my parents sent me there. you're hypocrite. he's an you're a hypocrite. he's an absolute dare he's absolute no. how dare he? he's no, no. let me finish. let me finish. how dare he do that? the i to private school. i i went to private school. i i did both. i went to comprehensive i at comprehensive school. i was at the top that. my grades slid the top of that. my grades slid within a i then went to within a year. i then went to private school because my father we need broaden the bank we need to broaden the bank we're paying for it. so my dad sent to a lovely, expensive sent me to a lovely, expensive school and i meet school run by nuns and i meet people who went same people who went to the same comprehensive school i comprehensive school that i went. i'm a genius next went. and i, i'm a genius next to them in terms of my qualifications and what i have achieved to them. it had achieved to them. yet it had nothing to do with brainy nothing to do with how brainy they because were on an they were because we were on an equal so listen. so my equal level. so listen. so my point is this keir starmer has benefited . he's in politics now. benefited. he's in politics now. he's got a very good job and he's benefits from education that he had. how dare you make it difficult for other parents to benefit in the way he has? i

couldn't i do with you. couldn't i do agree with you. i'm just saying supporting what danny is as danny said, that it is as hypocritical as the labour politicians who send their own children to these schools , who children to these schools, who also then deny it to other . i also then deny it to other. i think that is more hip. it's layers. it's all layers. i don't know what degree . it's only know what degree. it's only hypocritical in my view if someone says that there is no difference in education between a state school and a private school . but there is. there is, school. but there is. there is, of course , nobody knows that of course, nobody knows that there is. so it's not hypocrisy . it is hypocrisy because he knows that his students trying to to other and the to deny it to other and the worst bit is the worst part is he was actually given some sort of bursary to him so that of bursary to help him so that he do that even proves how he could do that even proves how the status these the charitable status these private help people like private schools help people like him. double edged him. it's even it's double edged hypocrisy. thought it hypocrisy. he hasn't thought it through so going through either. so it's going to be 16. it was his parents decision? yes okay. what? anything. i other people . how anything. i other people. how hypocritical . it wasn't his hypocritical. it wasn't his choice because i know he used to deny to other children. it's the

wrong word . hypocrisy is the wrong word. hypocrisy is the wrong word. hypocrisy is the wrong word. hypocrisy is the wrong word. i'm afraid it's the right word when i'm afraid you're as i say, not as i do, or because i was told i was the difference irrelevant if he hasn't benefited to me, didn't do that to other people and other parents have to pay for it because that extra money lot of those end up in state. those kids will end up in state. he won't get his 1 billion or whatever he thinks he's going to get because kids get because those 90,000 kids will into the state will go back into the state sector. yes, they will. 90,000 this all 95. a lot of a lot of the kids should qualify. a lot that rather than all nine 90,000, that's going to end up in reducing educational standards throughout the country. it really is the general level of, you know , general level of, you know, there's no nonsense go . right, there's no nonsense go. right, let's keep these emails . there's no nonsense go. right, let's keep these emails. but it's not schools which have it's not ridiculous scaremongering . not ridiculous scaremongering. yeah. okay. i just made a mistake i think it was a ridiculous error she's found and i'm obviously she's woman i know what i meant what i meant. let me just clarify that actually

what i meant was, oh, it's 90,000 people who go to private, not the 90,000. look, you say, sure, got wrong . i sure, you've got it wrong. i just share, but i won't . in the just share, but i won't. in the break. education at the moment, it is all the nasty. it's just a nationalised industry, state education. it's absurd. and rendell wanted to take it from. the nhs, the nhs is what it's all. well to apologise to ayatollah george. to thank you. well, it's all because some that great british voice is on the show. that opportunity to join, get on board and tell us what. they think the topics by they think about the topics by discussing today. i've got three of them. let's start of them. right. let's start brian. good brian are you brian. do good brian. are you there. there solihull there. are you there in solihull . he's there. yes. . let's see if he's there. yes. you are fine. the biggest you are fine. he's the biggest face the screen. you're too face on the screen. you're too close to camera . put your close to your camera. put your head of it . close to your camera. put your head of it. i'll. i'll try head back of it. i'll. i'll try and go back. it's a lovely face thatis and go back. it's a lovely face that is massive . brian, what do that is massive. brian, what do you think ? what do you think? is you think? what do you think? is he hypocrite hypocrite ? am he a hypocrite hypocrite? am i accept your point? no, no. which is made. but i. but i, i can

aside with with dominic on this. i don't think it's hypocrisy as such. at the end of the day, he's he's now in politics trying to decipher a way of an equitable reallocation distribution of resources. and that's i think that's far more important him personally you know pinning it all on him because you went to a grammar school and therefore you were the beneficiary such and such. i think look we absolutely to level up that that's the that's one of the key phrases you know and one of the primary ways can do that is through education and a better education for all and i think a more equitable system whereby , you know, people who whereby, you know, people who can afford more then have to pay that little bit . i think can afford more then have to pay that little bit. i think i'm not that little bit. i think i'm not that i'm afraid level up, not level to you because i said make sense to me. alan mcneilly you're going crazy. what do you think ? after the afternoon ? i

think? after the afternoon? i starmer's a hypocrite . it's starmer's a hypocrite. it's across the board . he's across the board. he's hypocritical about just about everything . but this plan to tax everything. but this plan to tax the private just seems to me to be offer magnus. hmm what? some people go to private schools that well off that family that work hard to put them to private school and give them better opportunity . the fact that opportunity. the fact that they've got charitable status means that they're deducting work either in other schools or within community that allows them to have charitable status . them to have charitable status. and if he takes the away from them, if he takes out away from them, if he takes out away from them, many children will have to go back into state sector. if that will increase the bill on the state sector. so i just think it's a really stupid policy if you've got a good education system, keep . yeah, education system, keep. yeah, thank you very much. the lady. let's go to sesame in bedford or milton keynes. even sesame . good milton keynes. even sesame. good evening, nina. good afternoon .

evening, nina. good afternoon. thank you for having me on, nina. he's not hypocrite. there's two separate issues and we need understand those both issues . the one is he wants to issues. the one is he wants to get you wants to make education equal and equalise it for all children . and every child has children. and every child has a right the education. and the second issue is that you want he has been on the end of private education which is actually the reason i think we're looking at it in the way the reason why he wants to do it is because he knows how unfair the system and the divide , the education of the divide, the education of private and state schools up in ignorance. i don't know he's a hypocrite. thank you very . hypocrite. thank you very. marxist the ethical credit card of mike down alan ingram's me i don't think fraud sorry how lovely to talk to you all right. now this story. why is a total hypocrite? now, this story caught eye. so it seems once the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby , has been brought into the

welby, has been brought into the fray time to broker fray and this time to broker a deal with prince harry, because apparently king charles wants harry and that means meghan as well can't blame well at the what he can't blame him son him for wanting his prodigal son to return . well, this isn't the to return. well, this isn't the first course , the first time, of course, the archbishop has been dragged controversy the duke controversy when the duke duchess want to remember the soap opera surrounding the sussexes, when meghan claimed in the oprah that she'd the oprah interview that she'd been the official been married before the official . this wasn't, of course . well, this wasn't, of course the case. so do you think should he broker a deal? do you think christine actually could do without the archbishop brokered deal and get harry to come to the bedwetter of canterbury ? the bedwetter of canterbury? well, i mean, the first thing he should be doing is attending his dwindling flock in the church , dwindling flock in the church, england. i mean, it's utterly ridiculous. needs to start giving a bit more leadership. but let's put on one side. but let's put that on one side. no, don't. harry should at no, i don't. harry should be at the prince charles the coronation. prince charles as you say, been very as you say, has been very welcoming, prodigal son, and has said the invitation is there. and i think if harry's got any sense, will find way to sense, he will find some way to not there. he whatever he

not be there. he whatever he does, if he's in this country , does, if he's in this country, he attention away from he will draw attention away from what should be all the attention be the king and the queen and be on the king and the queen and the coronation, the spectacle of the coronation, the spectacle of the whole thing will be amazing i mean, you know, most people lucky to one coronation in lucky to get one coronation in their lives , will to if i their lives, i will have to if i survive may. so i think it will. i don't i don't think i don't think the archbishop. oh i hope it does come just for the television. i really do . william television. i really do. william is worried that he's going to pull a stunt, have visions of him stripping a t—shirt, shirt himself to the balcony, just stopped. camilla on a big thing. just stop camilla. i'm that's what i hope happens just for. the entertainment won't happen. it won't . that's not gonna it won't. that's not gonna happen. and wants an apology happen. and he wants an apology as which to as well, which they didn't to happen, it's time to happen, right? it's now time to supplement with panel supplement sunday with my panel and discuss the new and i discuss some of the new stories course that i. joining and i discuss some of the new storifs course that i. joining and i discuss some of the new storif justrrse that i. joining and i discuss some of the new storif just youthat i. joining and i discuss some of the new storif just you and i. joining and i discuss some of the new storif just you and then 1ing and i discuss some of the new storif just you and then isig and i discuss some of the new storif just you and then is also me if just you and then is also broadcaster hamilton a broadcaster hamilton a broadcaster journalist broadcaster hamilton a broadcasterjournalist . dani broadcasterjournalist. dani we'll start with you is going quickly. okay quickly. chip if you can get fish and chips

right, you'll get you can get fish and chips right, you'll ge t £1,000,000 right, you'll get £1,000,000 in liverpool. are still liverpool. scousers are still talking fondly of the best food in liverpool that people still are still looking. come and forget. it's in the dingle which is a real working class area . is a real working class area. people used to queue around the block particular on a friday. big catholic contingency in in my home city. and of course if you got fish and chips right you'll ear n £1,000,000 and you'll earn £1,000,000 and people closed 20 people still it's been closed 20 years. people still don't talk people still it's been closed 20 years. it.ople still don't talk people still it's been closed 20 years. it. the still don't talk people still it's been closed 20 years. it. the echo don't talk people still it's been closed 20 years. it. the echo ion't talk people still it's been closed 20 years. it. the echo i lovetalk people still it's been closed 20 years. it. the echo i love this about it. the echo i love this good fish and chips. you can't beat it, but bad fish and chips is disgusting. you will find a cute about fish and you know when to go once. yeah, you go on switch. have you got? well, switch. what have you got? well, what caught my was the ultimate proof heading proof that sees the heading in only direction. style only one direction. harry style . styles is on the . harry styles is on the syllabus for the cc. his solos adore you is now on the media star. i love that song. i know, but it shouldn't be on the media. i mean, it's utterly it. nobodyin media. i mean, it's utterly it. nobody in their right mind should opt to study. harry styles in an act to get an

academic . it's going to be academic. it's going to be laughed out of court. anybody? other pop stars apparently on the media studies course obey say and somebody called beyonce tempah who wanted some sort of tribute to beyonce. i mean it's just it's ridiculous i'd say and the excuses by the excuses that they some relevant but i really it's absolutely ridiculous it's dumbing down who would you study if you could if it was like well if you could if it was like well if you could if it was like well if you want an english course should start by studying the historical greats that's historical greats whether that's bronte and current bronte shakespeare and current thing me not you know it's thing give me not you know it's a course much now got right on england listening oh you should my english i wasn't listening to anything by myself i'm a producer of an acclaimed vocal australian play. his band white critics from reviewing it now they demanded all reviewers be people colour so everyone should be allowed to criticise a play what do you think it's mental that's no well that's racism of

course discrimination is ridiculous in liverpool there was a pantomime and they had to stop through because there wasn't a person of colour in liverpool. it was a big story in the north—west and they had to have representatives, people saying it's racist. and i was thinking myself, wrong thinking to myself, what's wrong with suspend belief, with you? suspend this belief, please, hours, because please, for 2 hours, because when back you turn when you get back home you turn the don't worry, be the telly on. don't worry, be plenty adverts plenty of plenty of adverts with plenty of faces well, this is the faces on it. well, this is the play faces on it. well, this is the play was written by a british playwright, jasmine lee jones. it's young black women it's about two young black women reacting. the claim that keeping up with the kardashians reality reacting. the claim that keeping up vis�*n the kardashians reality reacting. the claim that keeping up vis thee kardashians reality reacting. the claim that keeping up vis the world's;hians reality reacting. the claim that keeping up vis the world's youngestlity star is the world's youngest self—made. so it's just interesting . it's just so silly interesting. it's just so silly is that people have gone a bit mad with, oh, they have mad with, oh, well, they have something. i think got to start looking at people as people rather focusing on the rather than focusing on the colour. think more colour. actually think the more they it, more they talk about it, the more they talk about it, the more they narrative. they indoctrinate the narrative. and annoys me when and what what annoys me is when they, historical they, they take an historical play they, they take an historical play or whatever and they put a black actor in place of black coloured actor in place of what is historically a white person. i mean, it's like, well, i don't, it's like having a white othello . it doesn't work

white othello. it doesn't work if you have a desdemona the play doesn't matter. i don't think it should matter at all. i think the colour and everything you can suspend disbelief in the theatre, but if it's an historic story, when i was in the council i was in kindertransport and i was one of the refugee type people and my mum was white, said, you know my family, you know my family were white, but i was supposedly like relate these people black , people with loads of black, loads of us related to the people he was with. anyway, let's move on. well, on the day we've been asking you can, you trust the tories. according to our 21% of say yes, our twitter, 21% of you say yes, 79% of you say no. that is pretty tragic, isn't because pretty tragic, isn't it? because nobody's able to trust any nobody's to be able to trust any of politicians. i've of the politicians. well, i've got to thank you so my got to say thank you so to my panel got to say thank you so to my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton. christine thank very much. pleasure. thank you very much. pleasure. and a broadcaster and and also a broadcaster and journalist and car dealership salesperson, technically thank you for having me. did i get it right? rose amongst thorns. right? a rose amongst thorns. i feel you for having feel today. thank you for having me. you rose amongst them. i'm a rose. and he's the rose. where the listen to thank you to

the thorn listen to thank you to you at home for your. it's always pleasure. thank you always a pleasure. thank you so much me. i'll be much forjoining me. i'll be back 4 pm. on saturday on back at 4 pm. on saturday on with the web. have a week. with the web. have a good week. hello i'm jonathan votary hello there. i'm jonathan votary with weather updates with your latest weather updates from met hope your from. the met office hope your weekend has been going all right as we bring to a close. there as we bring it to a close. there are two cold fronts across the uk, one in the far south, a uk, this one in the far south, a fairly weak feature, just bringing some outbreaks of rain to wales and southern areas of england. this one in the north pushing into scotland's northern ireland bit more substance ireland has a bit more substance to so there are some longer to it. so there are some longer spells of rain as it continues southward into the evening, but that to fizzle out that too will to fizzle out later on in night. behind that, we will see some clearer intervals develop, but also showers pushing scotland. showers pushing in for scotland. these heavy in places these will be heavy in places with snow down to around with hail, snow down to around 400 metres over mountains as 400 metres over the mountains as well. fairly brisk night for well. a fairly brisk night for all of us with the winds so frost not too much of a worry as a result of that towns and cities around five four degrees celsius perhaps a lower than celsius perhaps a bit lower than that sheltered areas

that in some sheltered areas otherwise want to move into the start monday of sunshine start monday a lot of sunshine to be had for many of us. there will be a bit of cloud lingering in the far southwest of the game with just will remain with the breeze just will remain a bit strong in the north—east as well. not too of a start as well. not too bad of a start to the new working week. temperatures be around temperatures will be around nine, degrees across nine, maybe ten degrees across seven of england, but it seven areas of england, but it will than will be cooler tomorrow than today across parts of scotland . today across parts of scotland. dufing today across parts of scotland. during the afternoon and into the evening, we'll then the the evening, we'll then see the cloud pushing across northern ireland then later into ireland and then later into scotland the scotland as well for the outbreaks rain through outbreaks of rain coming through here night is here on monday night is relatively a repeat pattern of sunday night where we that next band pushing southwards band of rain pushing southwards again out and turning again fading out and turning patchier as it eventually across areas of wales and into central southern england with showers , southern england with showers, blustery showers following behind parts of scotland and . behind parts of scotland and. northern that cold front will continue to push way southwards into tuesday. but behind that we've got another squeeze in the ice, of course, bringing some fairly winds to scotland fairly strong winds to scotland as move overnight tuesday and as we move overnight tuesday and into wednesday , there is

into wednesday, there is a yellow warning in force that otherwise enjoy the rest of day

welcome to gloria. we got a three former cabinet ministers in this evening's show. one from the last labour government, in this evening's show. one from the last labour government , two the last labour government, two who was sat around the top table just for months ago. both of them open up to me about their mental health. first up, it's simon clarke . i see a therapist simon clarke. i see a therapist who you know, is helping with that. who you know, is helping with that . and i think that's a good that. and i think that's a good thing to do. former conservative party chairman jake berry, you suffered with depression at university. you suffered with it again a few years ago, just as