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signed up in a fortnight. staff signed up in a fortnight. tomorrow is the of seven days of strikes by the union in february and march amid a pay dispute. the minister, nick gibb described strikes as disruptive . it is disappointing the any you know has decided to go ahead with these strikes when we are still discussing issues of pay on workers and other issues very constructively even yesterday. we were having those discussions and strikes are disruptive to children's education particularly the two years of disruption during the covid pandemic. and it's disruption disrupting to two parents and families as well . new report by families as well. new report by the international monetary fund is predicting a negative outlook for the uk's economy . it for the uk's economy. it forecast that the uk's gross domestic product, or gdp , will domestic product, or gdp, will shnnk domestic product, or gdp, will shrink by 0.6% over the coming year. shrink by 0.6% over the coming year . even shrink by 0.6% over the coming year. even though in shrink by 0.6% over the coming year . even though in october, year. even though in october, the imf had expected growth of point 3, the chancellor, jeremy hunt, says britain, however,
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output many other financial forecast last year despite higher interest rates and tighter government budgets. the shadow chancellor rachel reeves, though, is blaming the imf stance on 13 years of conservative economic policy. the uk economy has got a huge potential . and yet the potential. and yet the government is failing to seize the initiative and we see today with these forecasts from the imf, with the uk now at the bottom of the league table for growth both this year and next, the government needs to be doing so much more to the potential of the uk economy . lancashire the uk economy. lancashire police say they have now found and are speaking to a key witness they were seeking early on in the in the search for a missing mother of 245 year old nicola bulli was last walking her dog by the river wyre on friday. her mobile phone was later found on a bench on a conference work call and a dog was discovered running loose
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nearby . and the princess of nearby. and the princess of wales says it's essential to know what's needed , help the know what's needed, help the future generation become happy, healthy adults . launching her healthy adults. launching her new early years campaign called shaping us the says she hopes to help people understand how early childhood affects later life and adulthood . kensington palace adulthood. kensington palace says the importance of early years development will be a key focus for kate for the rest of her life . that's an or up to her life. that's an or up to date on tv, online dab+ radio. this is gb news. back now to . this is gb news. back now to. this is gb news. back now to. this is gb news. back now to. this is mark dolan in the 8:00 slot. all week coming up do the tories face extinction at the next election as it emerges .7 the next election as it emerges? the british army have been spying on
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covid. has the pandemic destroyed free speech in this country and on its three year anniversary brexit safe in labour's hands. lot a lot. a lot to get through . but first, my to get through. but first, my big opinion . forget about the big opinion. forget about the covid 19 virus. the illness which has gripped the nation most over the last three years is brexit direct changement syndrome. the irrational hatred of a democrat decision by a population to exit a political block . why does it fall upon me? block. why does it fall upon me? somebody that voted remain in 2016 to defend brexit? well, it's not a problem . defend it's not a problem. defend brexit. i absolutely will. now it's clear that some businesses have struggled with the transition and many have given up exporting to the eu altogether. issues particularly the northern ireland protocol have not been ironed out. growth has been hit. and the full opportunity of brexit have not yet been seized upon . but brexit
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yet been seized upon. but brexit is not one moment and it's not one date in the calendar. it's an opportunity. it's an idea. and it's a work in progress. brexit is a journey and one i believe that is well worth taking . but let's do it taking. but let's do it properly. let's have a full fat brexit, not half in, half out, which is to being half pregnant . it's my view that brexit needs a new pr department because it has been chronically undersold, laughably by its critics. link our current economic problems raging inflation, recession and i watering debt as being down to brexit. people making that link are either mad or lying or a combination of the two. happy to the fact that we borrowed half £1,000,000,000,000 and shut the economy down on and off for two and a half years in an attempt to stop a seasonal risk. bigotry tree virus . the most important tree virus. the most important aspect of brexit is that it was
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delivered the will of the people was respected . attempts by was respected. attempts by politicians and powerful figures to push for a second referendum, including the cervix free leader of the opposition, sir keir starmer , would i believe have starmer, would i believe have created a democratic crisis. the likes of which we've never seen . constitutional pantomime and probably civil unrest on the streets . brexit was an immediate streets. brexit was an immediate insurance policy against ever closer union and membership of a unhed closer union and membership of a united of europe . it was an united of europe. it was an insurance policy against paying for a sovereign debt crisis on the continent, which i fear is coming . brexit was an insurance coming. brexit was an insurance policy against. a single european army. policy against. a single european army . look at the european army. look at the dreadful eu response . ukraine in dreadful eu response. ukraine in its early stages . whilst britain its early stages. whilst britain led the way , brexit was an led the way, brexit was an insurance policy against payments of insurance policy against payments 0 f £20 insurance policy against payments of £20 billion a year,
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which over two decades amounts to the entire cost of the pandemic . brexit was an pandemic. brexit was an insurance policy against free movement , insurance policy against free movement, against a one size fits all trade policy, and against the euro, something which blair dangerously flirted with and which gordon heroically thwarted brexit critics have seized on today's news from the imf that britain will be the worst performing economy in the g7 even this year, with lower growth than even war torn russia. now, i don't buy gloomy outlook . yes, we've got outlook. yes, we've got problems. big time and it's going to be a rough year. but as with covid modelling during the pandemic, recent modelling from the imf and others has been about as accurate as a nadhim zahawi return. three years on and brexit is all to play for. to believe in brexit is to believe in britain. don't let the doubters win .
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the doubters win. let's head over to economics and business liam halligan who's the completing brexit event in central london? hi liam. what's the mood in room ? well mark, the mood in room? well mark, here i am from the centre of westminster very much in thinktank land in tufton street. what's going on behind me is the launch of this pamphlet completing brexit, a democratic necessity, an inside all members of the european founding . you've of the european founding. you've got former cabinet ministers in there like ken duncan—smith , the there like ken duncan—smith, the proceedings are being led by. bill cash, the tory mp for stone , who's been very much a campaigner for leaving the european union. john reports in there . david jones all kinds of there. david jones all kinds of theresa villiers, former
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northern secretary. these are all past and present. have rammed brexit through the years. these are the so—called the mps who in the heat of those brexit battles , the three or three battles, the three or three years that followed the 2016 referendum, when parliament was arguing about whether or not brexit should actually happen. these are the employees who stood their ground and actually made it happen. and i wouldn't say there's an air of celebration inside . there is celebration inside. there is instead an air of stoic determination . these mps they determination. these mps they tell me that in their view, the media is stacked against leaving the european union. they think the european union. they think the imf projections that came out today saying that the uk is going to grow much more slowly than other g7 economies over this year. are misguided. they points out that the of often been wrong in the past and they points that since june 2016 and
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since that celebrate state referendum , they celebrated by referendum, they celebrated by some people that the uk has grown actually faster than germany and that it out most of the g7 economies year. stuff that you don't hear mentioned by many broadcasters. so there's grim determination inside here tonight, mark, knowing that there's lots of people out there who see brexit as something that the uk should be ashamed of . the uk should be ashamed of. listen, i'll let you go and have a mojito with an duncan smith in just a moment. but can i finally ask you, liam, whether you agree with me that brexit has been undersold now i voted remain 2016 because i felt there would be short to medium term economic impacts . i stand by that. but impacts. i stand by that. but i've mentioned in my big opinion that brexit is a journey. it's a work in progress. can it ultimately be successful ? this ultimately be successful? this country . well, i would i would country. well, i would i would say as a professional economist.
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i would say that it can be an it is a journey rather than an event, since that's referendum in mid 2016, we had three years of rows of course then we had a transition period and then almost as soon as the transition penod almost as soon as the transition period was over when the uk left the single market and the customs union, the main constructs, the legal constructs of the eu. we then had the covid pandemic and since then we've had the biggest conflicts on european landmass since 45. so i don't think anyone really knows how brexit has impacted the uk so far. what i would say is that the growth figures haven't been too bad since we left the european union. formally, though that's not something that you often heard said by broadcasters. i'd also say actually , mark, that a lot of actually, mark, that a lot of people feel that this issue is being overblown alone and that they all relationship with the european union needs time to bed
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down. you know, we were members of the european union from 1977, 83.then of the european union from 1977, 83. then we had a referendum in 75, of course, opposed joining referendum . and then we didn't referendum. and then we didn't have enough of the referendum till 2016. so i think an awful lot of people out there who feel that this constant agitation and by a lot of the remainers or the remainers, some people call them is just not on. we should get behind brexit leavers and remainers alike and make the best of it for the good of our country. and there's an awful of people in this postcode . nsw one people in this postcode. nsw one in westminster who still want to reverse brexit. and that's what the people in the building behind me are pushing against. not on my watch . liam halligan. not on my watch. liam halligan. thank you so much. enjoy rest of your evening. let's get further reaction to three years of brexit with the leader of ukip, one of the best known politicians in the country. of course, former conservative mp neil hamilton . good evening, neil hamilton. good evening, neil. brexit. perfect, but it's
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with us now and it's important that we acknowledge this moment and celebrate the fact that the democratic will of the british people was and acknowledged . people was and acknowledged. yeah.i people was and acknowledged. yeah. i think that's absolute you're right. but when you look at the subject and of what we've done with , brexit and that's done with, brexit and that's extraordinarily disappointing andifs extraordinarily disappointing and it's seven years now since the referendum , what are we got the referendum, what are we got to show for it? what differences have been made by this government in last three years, let alone in the last seven? and the answer a fact zero. you know, we controlled our borders . we haven't diverged the eu in terms of rules and regulation . terms of rules and regulation. hardly at all. and we're not the independence which we fought so hard to achieve through the referendum. so i mean, this government spent half its time since 2016 trying to sabotage brexit when theresa may was
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trying to keep us in the customs union, the single market. and then after boris achieved brexit in name , he then did absolutely in name, he then did absolutely nothing with it. and rishi sunak, although he voted for , sunak, although he voted for, brexit, is the very epitome of a kind of globalist international banker conformist who doesn't want to make waves. it doesn't want to make waves. it doesn't want to make waves. it doesn't want to upset international elites. and so we need a free booting prime who's going to take this by the scruff of the neck and take of the opportunities which we've got in innovation. now, europe is a declining part of world economy. yes, 40 years ago, it was 30% of world gdp . now it's lower than world gdp. now it's lower than 15% and declining rapidly , 15% and declining rapidly, relatively because other parts of the world, china, india and so on are growing so fast in and growing at all. you know , needs growing at all. you know, needs to look out the wider world, not inwardly to a continent which in historical terms, is in decline
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. and all those conservative politician who are in 55 tufton street with liam halligan why aren't they in the government? they're the real brexiteers. they're the real brexiteers. they're the real brexiteers. they're the ones who should be driving this campaign. and yet they've been excluded . i think they've been excluded. i think that says it all actually that the government is being run . the government is being run. people who don't really believe in brexit. by jeremy hunt, for instance , who is a massive instance, who is a massive maniac , and he is probably the maniac, and he is probably the most important member of the government, maybe even important than rishi sunak in practical terms. so though he he had high . i'm afraid. no, neil, he , . i'm afraid. no, neil, he, jeremy hunt does seem to have changed his tune on on brexit. but do those words ring hollow ? but do those words ring hollow? the question i'll be asking whether labour can be trusted with brexit at a later in the hour. with brexit at a later in the hour . but with brexit at a later in the hour. but neil notwithstanding misgivings about the current situation , do we, as it stands, situation, do we, as it stands, have a that'll do brexit. have we got a good enough break. it
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is what we have now. better than remain . oh that's certainly remain. oh that's certainly true. and we're outside the eu institutions as now. we haven't had to make to eu budget the billion a year as jacob rees—mogg has been pointing out, we haven't had to contribute nearly 200 billion to the eu bailout fund for the of the pandemic and so on. so yes, of course there are massive , even course there are massive, even though we're not used many of the powers that we require it, since we officially left the eu. nevertheless, we have the freedom to use them which we didn't have before. so in many respects we are better off. even though the government has not made the sort of use of the opportunities that i would like them to. neil, do you come see us again in the studio soon? you were the man to speak to tonight of one of the founding fathers of one of the founding fathers of brexit and of course, the leader ukip. my thanks to neil. coming up , if a labour coming up, if a labour
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government is on the cards, which many think it is. could a labour government be trusted with brexit? also, as it emerges, the british army have been tracking covid critics. has the pandemic destroyed free speech in this country ? but speech in this country? but next, do the tories face extinction at? the next election? and i mean wipe out never to return . we'll speak to never to return. we'll speak to professor matthew goodwin, an expert on british politics and in particular the red wall. he's got some explode views and he's
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electoral calculus suggests the conservatives may only win. wait for it 45 seats at the next election 45 seats making little bigger than the lib . it would be bigger than the lib. it would be their lowest performance on record. so how bad could it get for rishi sunak? do the tories face at the next? to debate this, i'm delighted to welcome an expert on british politics and the red wall professor, matthew goodwin, whose excellent substack articles can be found . substack articles can be found. matthew j. goodwin dot . org. matthew j. goodwin dot. org. good evening, matthew matthew . good evening, matthew matthew. good evening, matthew matthew. good evening , matthew. what is good evening, matthew. what is the worst case scenario for the conservatives in the hypothetical scenario of . a 2024 hypothetical scenario of. a 2024 election? what what do you reckon autumn 24 most likely, perhaps spring? what's the worst that can happen ? well, the worst that can happen? well, the worst mark, as you say, is a total
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wipe—out on the scale of 1997, if not if not even worse. and you look at the numbers that i'm looking at in, all people poll each week. it does indeed look like the conservatives are currently in that direction. rishi sunak's favourability ratings , leadership ratings are ratings, leadership ratings are heading only 23% of the country feel favourably towards him. the conservatives have lost ownership of the economy. they're not seen as levelling up. they're no longer seen as bringing control to britain's borders. and more generally, they're longer seen as having much of a purpose . so the much of a purpose. so the challenge is enormous. challenge facing is enormous. the have clearly tuned whenever i mention the conservative party focus groups, they roll their eyes and are frequently saying they're sick of the party being in office for this long and britain having this many problems . so britain having this many problems. so i do britain having this many problems . so i do actually britain having this many problems. so i do actually think that this is pretty much as close as you can get to being an existential crisis for the conservative party and one that i suspect may yet come to
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deliver an almighty shock at the next election . now, rishi sunak, next election. now, rishi sunak, as you know, matthew has a five point plan , boost growth, cut point plan, boost growth, cut the debt , the nhs waiting lists, the debt, the nhs waiting lists, halve and stop the boats will delivery on those issues or at least progress on those issues. move the dial for him because i do think he's identified the five key areas. at least he knows what he's got to do . yeah knows what he's got to do. yeah i mean i think think as i mentioned in in the substack this week if you talk to people in and around rishi sunak, they will tell you that the only path to victory is what they call narrow , steep. so they are narrow, steep. so they are essentially convinced that if sunak delivers on these five pledges is cutting inflation or reducing the number of small boats waiting lists in hospitals and reducing inflation that he will essentially be able to say to the country , look, things are to the country, look, things are improving we're over the worst. don't let the labour party ruin
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it. that will essentially the strategy for 24. the problem though as you know better than listening to your viewers and listeners is a lot of the country don't believe he's going to that they don't think the government is going to stop the small boats don't think the government is levelling up the country and inflation may indeed it is already falling, but it's unlikely to fall to the levels that sunak is probably going to needit that sunak is probably going to need it to fall to in order for people to feel a tangible difference to their weekly shop and then to their energy bills and then to their energy bills and so on. so the mountain facing him is simply enormous no party has ever come back from this low in the polls to win the next election . and his only hope next election. and his only hope is, i'm told people around him is, i'm told people around him is that essentially the extent to which the external climate begins to change in favour was that prime minister did it say rishi sunak mob. if so, i'll let you take that call . yeah, i'm
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you take that call. yeah, i'm not sure. unfortunately not. not, not, not the red phone from from number 10. there is, i think elephant in the room though on this matthew. and that's the popularity or otherwise of . starmer because otherwise of. starmer because i don't think there are too many starmer fans out there. his great selling point is that he's not the leader of the conservative party who are now so discredit said given the politics have become increasingly presidential , politics have become increasingly presidential, or could the storm of fact be an issue at the next election for labour? the fact that there isn't any great momentum him as a personality . yeah, i think a personality. yeah, i think that's only thing really that sunakis that's only thing really that sunak is clinging to at this point. that storm is not cutting through in the way that tony blair did in the 1990s. and the comparison the 1990s is misleading for that reason . misleading for that reason. blair had incredibly strong leadership ratings and starmer does not he's still in the low single digits blair was plus 50. i mean blair was in a different
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galaxy when it came to his leadership ratings. and soon it will pointing to this and hoping praying that starmer not cut through otherwise he in serious trouble . do you buy that old trouble. do you buy that old adage that a week is in long, a long time in politics and therefore two years is and eternity has sunak got enough to turn this around, or is it already game over ? i think it's already game over? i think it's not game over. i think potentially if the external climate begins to move in his favour if the markets and inflation the boat if all of that stuff begins to change he's got a chance i mean no one would look at the last three years in british politics say, you know, we can guarantee what's going to happen 18 months from now. we've just a pandemic, just gone through a pandemic, we've war in ukraine. who we've got a war in ukraine. who knows coming around knows what's coming around the corner. will hoping corner. and sunak will be hoping that much of that external environment changes in his favour , that the economy begins favour, that the economy begins to improve stable eyes. the to improve and stable eyes. the uk outpaces the forecasts and if all of that stuff comes
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together, he's going to have a chance, he's going to have a shot. chance, he's going to have a shot . but at the moment, as shot. but at the moment, as we've discussed, the fundamentals really working against him and that's the real problem. briefly final thought, matthew, will issues around extreme political correctness be a factor , the so—called culture a factor, the so—called culture wars at the next wokeism the fact that keir starmer has found it difficult to define a woman and i think that he's got himself in tied himself in knots about whether only women can have a cervix. could this be a factor or is the woke stuff marginal ? it depends. if the marginal? it depends. if the conservatives want to make it a factor and currently it appears they don't really want to do that. now, i've argued that actually a lot of those questions are really important. people they want to talk about rights, they want to talk about what we're teaching children. they to talk about how we think of british history. they want to talk about why they why they want to defend british culture. now, the conservatives have backed that fight . and backed off from that fight. and
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if to do so then if they continue to do so then it will be another easy area for labour to score points. if instead they want to get involved in those debates , then involved in those debates, then i suspect actually they'll find a pretty receptive audience , a pretty receptive audience, particularly among many of their core voters who are looking for a reason desperate to find a reason to vote conservative matthew goodwin's substack articles are free and always required reading. i'll be honest, he does half my homework for me. just go to matthew j. goodwin .org. thank you, matthew . we'll catch up again soon. .we'll catch up again soon. i hope.thank .we'll catch up again soon. i hope. thank you. thanks now, coming up, if going to be a labour government, can labour trusted with brexit or would we slowly go back into the bosom of the eu? i'll discuss that with the eu? i'll discuss that with the leader of the sdp brexit supporting william cools down and as it emerges the british army have been tracking covid critics. has the pandemic destroyed free speech in this country ? journalist targeted by country? journalist targeted by the military . toby young country? journalist targeted by the military. toby young joins us. i'll also asking toby why
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next if a labour government is on the cards, can labour be trusted ? cards, can labour be trusted? brexit. we'll discuss that with leader of the sdlp, william clewiston live in the studio in just few minutes. but first, this is a worrying story for big brother watch released expose the other day . the dealings of the other day. the dealings of the other day. the dealings of the 77 brigade, a unit of the british tasked with not lethal psychological warfare there who despite operating only against foreign powers and extremists were deployed by the government dunng were deployed by the government during the covid pandemic. we've spoken to the mod a few times in which they categorically deny
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the individuals were spy on or that they had stalls . the style that they had stalls. the style dossiers compiled them, but that they'd collected on narratives counter to official advice , counter to official advice, asking the likes of twitter to flag content and advising the head sheds on how counter the threat to the government . they threat to the government. they claim this did not impact anyone's ability to discuss and debate freely. while that sounds a little fishy to me so let's speak to one of the most prominent lockdown, toby young, who was doubtless in their crosshairs. and he joins us in studio. toby, what you know and are you on a list? well, this this this investigation , the this this investigation, the reason we know this is because big brother watch. they've just published a report. there are civil rights campaigning group, a l civil rights campaigning group, a , the ministry of truth. a report, the ministry of truth. and about months ago, they and about six months ago, they contacted you contacted me, said, will you submit such a subject access request to various whitehall departments that have been working with a number of shadowy
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agencies, often staffed by former members of the security services of which the 77th brigade is one. there are about half a dozen will submit subject request to see if your activities, your social media posts have been monitored by. any of these agencies because think that many people including are being monitored by and so i thought that that's pretty unlikely i'm not an of the state why would they be monitoring me they can't surely just be monitoring who are critical of government that would be an inappropriate use of these, you know, security . but it turned know, security. but it turned out they were monitoring me just me but julia hartley—brewer peter hitchens, carl hennigan , peter hitchens, carl hennigan, the officer says, isn't it evidence necessity jealous not to be on the list but he might be. i mean if you'd submit you can still a subject access request to say dcms and discover whether fact they were monitoring you along with the rest of us. if you were quite prominent locked down, credit yourself of masking, you might well monitored. why
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well have been monitored. why this matter? isn't it the job the authorities to keep an eye on misinformation and won't they gather up a few innocent people along the way? well i mean, i think the way in which government ministers rationalised this use of these agents is to essentially monitor the activities of their critics . and by monitor, i mean look at stuff in the public domain that journalism, that social activity, not tap their phones, look at their whatsapp messages. but think they but i think the reason they rationalise that themselves rationalise that to themselves by saying they're not just critics government policy , critics of government policy, they are critics . what's in the they are critics. what's in the best interests of british society . and if they say that society. and if they say that masks work or that we should before taking the rna vaccines, or if they say that more people will be harmed than lockdowns, then saved then that's misinformation or disinformation. they came up with this category which was mis slashed disinformation. so even that obviously wasn't straightforward disinformation ,
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straightforward disinformation, you know, people like me want foreign actors trying to undermine contests for kind of to advance my country's interests . but by to advance my country's interests. but by merging to advance my country's interests . but by merging these interests. but by merging these two categories, they decide that if you criticised the government's pandemic response, you were trafficking in misinformation and that meant you were guilty of mis slash disinformation and meant it was perfectly appropriate for agencies to monitor you and pass onto officials , government onto officials, government ministers, what you were getting to. but the really sensitive thing, mark, that they were merely monitoring people like me and julia hartley—brewer and peter hitchens and carl hennigan and others. they were also monitoring members of their own party, david davis , for party, sir david davis, for instance, pretty shocking. former home secretary . but after former home secretary. but after what agencies would do is they'd monitor people's social media activity in particular. and if they thought that you'd posted something breached the terms of service of facebook or twitter they would point that out to their masters in these government departments. and the ministers or their
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intermediaries would then use their trusted flagging status to contact facebook and twitter and point out that this particular post had breached their terms of service . hint, hint, ban this service. hint, hint, ban this shadow. ban this person will suspend . would you really go suspend. would you really go that far? because certainly in the states, there's growing evidence from, the twitter files that the biden administration picked on individuals like the journalist alex berenson, who was out vaccine risks and was a lockdown sceptic and the white house effectively said, can you this man out? can you do a job on him? and twitter suspended account permanently? you don't think that the british authorities have gone that far, do you? i'm confident that that is exactly what they've been doing. and this big brother report, the ministry of truth, is really the british version of twitter, through the military, through the army, that the government have effectively cancelling people online. that's allegation not not just the 77th brigade, but some of these other shadowy organisations like the counter disinformation unit
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dcms. yes. so therefore number 10 has been no better than the white house in the course of this pandemic. your contention don't doubt that. what what with these reports in hand in which some people were flagged as having posted stuff breaching the terms of service of social media platforms like and facebook officials within these departments then use their trusted flagged status to come tax executives , these social tax executives, these social media companies and point out i don't think they demanded that they take down this particular person's account or shadow ban them but pointed it out and if it's a government official pointing it out in, all likelihood twitter and facebook responded as they did in the united states when. they were contacted officials of the contacted by officials of the biden administration. so and in the case it might subject access request , it revealed a report to request, it revealed a report to the counter disinformation at dcms in which they said that i tweeted something about an anti vaccine mandate petition , a
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vaccine mandate petition, a vaccine mandate petition, a vaccine passport petition in receiving 1.2 million signatures and it got a lot of traffic on twitter and they flagged this up and they said we don't think you should flag this one to twitter because there were freedom speech in other speech implications in other don't and get this guy don't try and get this guy banned because he set up the free speech union. he's a reasonably well known journalist might backfire, but for people without my status , my profile, without my status, my profile, you haven't up free speech you haven't set up free speech organisations. the was go ahead. therefore again get them banned. yes and that's actually the misunderstand or the mischaracterisation of cancel culture. people say there's no cancel culture . gervais is still cancel culture. gervais is still on stage , but actually it's the on stage, but actually it's the people that don't have the big platform who get cancelled or who self—censor . what are the who self—censor. what are the implications for free speech in this country, given the fact that these rather draconian mechanisms have kicked in? well, i think they're not going to the state won't row back in role now, will these departments will continue to operate? you know, andifs continue to operate? you know,
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and it's the uk isn't isolated either as he said it it happened in america. we know it happened in america. we know it happened in canada. it happened in holland under the pretext of protecting the public from disinformation misinformation . disinformation misinformation. there's been an enormous amount of overreach on the part of governments. they've said they've used agencies like the counter disinformation unit, like the 77 brigade to monitor, the so—called misinformation and disinformation of critics of policies like , vaccine, policies like, vaccine, passports lockdowns. and it extends climate change to if you're critical of climate , i you're critical of climate, i think that falls within remit of some of these shadowy they'll flagged that up to that departmental chiefs shall we indulge you do want to give me a couple of examples of outrageous misinformation that you've peddled, which has turned out to be true. well, i was let's see. that's i was looking good is a having the link between deaths but you did spend explain that
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to be lower now after lockdowns and the vaccine wouldn't you. that would be the point you would and they're not and it's not just here. it's a pattern repeated all over the world where they've rolled out the mrna vaccines and. we don't know for sure that the cause, these excess deaths is because of the mrna vaccines, but looking that they're looking like a pretty likely suspect . but if that's likely suspect. but if that's precisely the of thing that if you were to say that on twitter or facebook , it might be flagged or facebook, it might be flagged up or facebook, it might be flagged ”p by or facebook, it might be flagged up by one of these agencies to a department official in the government . and you could end up government. and you could end up being flagged to twitter or facebook and have your account suspended. and incidentally, mark, my facebook account is currently suspended . it now, i currently suspended. it now, i don't know if that was at the behest of a government official. but having the big brother watch report, i wouldn't be surprised. news just in you've just been flanked by giving news senior management as one of our best commentators thanks marcus which i think is also quite worrying
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i'll be honest with you by. the way for the avoidance of doubt the government and the health authorities are clear, authorities are all very clear, abundantly clear . the vaccine is abundantly clear. the vaccine is safe and effective and is arguably the most tested vaccine in now back to the in history. now back to the government military censorship story , a government spokesman story, a government spokesman has said online disinformation is a serious threat to uk, which is a serious threat to uk, which is why during pandemic we brought together expertise across government to monitor disinformation about covid. these units used publicly available data, including material shared on social media platforms to assess uk disinformation and narratives. they did target individuals or take action that could impact anyone's ability to discuss and debate issues freely . now coming debate issues freely. now coming with a labour government looking likely by the day. captain sir keir starmer be trusted with is brexit safe in labour's hands? i'll be discussing with the leader of the sdp live in the studio. william clayton's .
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next to believe in brexit, to believe in britain. that's the topic. to believe in brexit, to believe in britain. that's the topic . my in britain. that's the topic. my big opinion which you can find on our twitter feed at gb right now with odds on a labour victory at the next election shortening by the day. what will the future hold for ? britain's the future hold for? britain's relationship with the eu and is brexit safe in labour's hands ? brexit safe in labour's hands? discuss this. i'm delighted to welcome leader of the sdp, william clinton hello william. great to have in the studio here. thank you. well simple question can labour be trusted with brexit? because we know that there are many on the on the opposition benches who would like to see more alignment possibly customs union or even market membership , which has market membership, which has been recommended by the london
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mayor con . they'd love all that mayor con. they'd love all that mark, but i would step back and ask can brexit be trusted by the tories ? i mean the tories tories? i mean the tories convened the brexit coalition and it had parts of it. there were on the left and parts of it on the right. but the dominant theme, the dominant idea in it was that vision really was a sort of buccaneering free trading type for terms. yeah, none of them knew anything about singapore. my first thought and that was a major problem i'd take that actually a little bit of you know public housing it's a sort of social market sort of model singapore but know that they're vision on the tory side was unilateral free trade and my problem with that is that you couldn't really invent a worse prescription for britain's problems we have a massive trade problems we have a massive trade problem we're constantly producing these trade deficits and we're constantly selling things off to pay for the imports that we the we that we
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enjoy . so unless you can face up enjoy. so unless you can face up to that and i see no absolutely no hint that many tories understand it i think the labour party understand it either unless you can actually get to the of what the problem is, the root of what the problem is, you're consuming than you're producing and deal with it and re industrious start one of these things unless you address that seriously you're not serious. so i think i mean it's a tragedy people were promised things that the tories couldn't deserve and actually poor old bofis deserve and actually poor old boris johnson, actually i think he convened a sort of brexit coalition that he couldn't possibly make of in the tory party or in the country. so it's in a mess and just finally going the other thing the other thing is immigration because people wanted immigration dealing with mass immigration migration because they wanted british people trained for the jobs that we need then even do that for the health service. so the was wrong and they they didn't know what they were doing with it. so they've, they sort of mucked it
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up. i think. however, i'm just to interrupt you there. ultimately, it's far from perfect but i was talking to neil hamilton suggesting it neil hamilton and suggesting it was a good brexit that'll was a good enough brexit that'll do brexit given the fact that we're out so the will of the british people was fulfilled we've got you know we're out of closer union no no single european army 20 billion a year in payments all the important stuff's been done on the watch of the conservatives so i just wonder whether it's labour that should concern for brexit should be a concern for brexit supporters rather than the tories because the tories could never live with single market. no, i agree . they'll never no, i agree. they'll never swallow that. you wonder whether labour minds. oh they would love to. i mean most of the parliamentary labour party would have in. then what's the have us in. and then what's the point? what's then. single point? what's point then. single market. have market. because then you have movement. in movement. what's the point in customs union you don't have an independent policy. independent trade policy. of course. you yes. course. well, you could, yes. but get back to my but even to get back to my point, mean, having gripe point, i mean, i'm having gripe at tories little here, at the tories a little bit here, if you an independent trade
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if you have an independent trade policy, what do you do with it? well their best idea rush well their best idea was rush off negotiate lousy policy off and negotiate a lousy policy with which in the end with australia, which in the end you won't have an uplands. you just won't have an uplands. sheep won't sheep farming industry won't have nfu batus pointed have that. the nfu batus pointed that out and then the trade trade deal with japan was truss negotiate did was model to increase massively increased japan's exports to us and increase ours by a little bit so that bilateral trade deficit will increase insane . what are will increase insane. what are they doing. i mean what do they want? so i both both i mean, i don't trust the labour party on this because. they didn't want to. but remember mark actually, let's face it, no party wanted it really. no party. the only party, the commons wanted party, the commons that wanted this interesting. this was the dp interesting. yeah course . perhaps for yeah of course. and perhaps for existential . what about existential reasons. what about the sdp is there any sense of bias, regret in your ranks for brexit? second thoughts for brexit? second thoughts for brexit as a policy? no. no, because the social democracy that we want would be completely
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if you're inside the european union, you can't do it. it's literally banned. and i'll see, for example, state in certain industries keeping steelworks open, banned you know, building your own trains , locomotives, if your own trains, locomotives, if your own trains, locomotives, if you wish , intervention to create you wish, intervention to create very cheap energy so you can be industrialised, banned so no, i think a first order thing you've got to get out. it was right to get out. i don't, i don't criticise for that, it was the right thing to do but the model i think it can be the dirty little inside the brexit coalition that a lot us on coalition that a lot of us on the on the sort of left leaning side wanted a completely different thing. and as i say, go migration, major go back to migration, a major problem tories because problem for the tories because they in the manifesto they promise it in the manifesto in 2019 to have a border that was secure and utterly, was secure and they've utterly, utterly and that's why utterly failed and that's why they'll down in flames. the they'll go down in flames. the polls useful to have polls also it's useful to have you i mentioned in you here because i mentioned in my big opinion earlier that the brexit needs a new pr department. his biggest champion, i voted remain, but it falls on my shoulders to defend well defended. i will because
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i'm democrat and i think there i'm a democrat and i think there strong it . it's strong arguments for it. it's often mischaracterised as a right wing idea you are living proof . that's not true. well, proof. that's not true. well, there are five on the polling on there are five on the polling on the data that we have is about five and a half million people on the left out of the coalition. the 70 million that voted for us. so there was always a very left wing always a very good left wing case for it. i think the legs case, as it's called, is the only one that makes any sense because. if we carry on with this open, unfettered, unilateral trade, just won't unilateral trade, you just won't have industry . you'll have a have any industry. you'll have a country that's just literally mired in debt and we're not going to face up to what is legs it likes. left wing . i think it likes. the left wing. i think it's a new world. i'm not talking to you about brexit. we've got megxit now. well, actually, it was the it was labour leave and a few other people put it together. but it's with sensible one. it's with is any sensible one. it's a it's a left leaning social democrat brexit. yes. yeah, yeah so it's the only one that makes any sense. and i did ask neil hamilton, i'll ask you as. well,
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notwithstanding its imperfections we can take what we today as opposed to we have today as opposed to membership of the eu. of course i would. yes. better than today's, better than remain. yes, why because i where yes, it is. why because i where there are lots of other arguments about democracy know the european union a fully integrated member of the european union. you know the vote of the ordinary voter cannot have any purchase cannot elect and sack the people that make the decisions. so let's imagine you're a portuguese or italian , a fully integrated . go italian, a fully integrated. go to the polls, mark, and you want to the polls, mark, and you want to vote. you don't have anyone . to vote. you don't have anyone. you have no contact with the people that make trade policy, monetary policy , industrial monetary policy, industrial policy or any of the other important things immigration . important things immigration. it's all taken off the table and thatis it's all taken off the table and that is total undemocratic, unacceptable . lovely to have you unacceptable. lovely to have you in the studio. this is against it for your time with you is the leader the sdp. i'm old leader of the sdp. i'm old enough to remember their first incarnation and on william's watch i'm confident that the
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next incarnation will be much more successful . dan wootton is more successful. dan wootton is next unmissable telly don't go anywhere . hi there. i'm aidan anywhere. hi there. i'm aidan mcgivern . it's turning mcgivern. it's turning increasingly windy . the north increasingly windy. the north and in the far north the risk of gales during the next 24 hours before later the wind and a lot the showers ease away . what the showers ease away. what we're seeing at the moment is a north contrast with high pressure closer to the south. it's mainly dry. pressure closer to the south. it's mainly dry . a cold front it's mainly dry. a cold front has cleared the cloud but further north tightly i suppose a strong wind blustery showers continuing across scotland northern ireland into northern england during the night and the showers falling snow for the hills and mountains of scotland. but we've also got the gale force wind peaking around the early hours of wednesday, 60, 70, perhaps 80 mile per hour wind gusts for both coasts of northern scotland cause northern scotland could cause disruption night in disruption. it's a cold night in the three or four celsius the north, three or four celsius below hills. but below that over hills. but further south, 5 to 7 celsius, enough of a wind to prevent a widespread frost and actually a bright the south. first bright start to the south. first thing. where the of thing. that's where the best of the sunshine be. i think through
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wednesday areas of cloud filtering northern filtering through northern ireland, scotland filtering through northern ire well scotland filtering through northern ire well as scotland filtering through northern ire well as northern scotland filtering through northern ire well as northern england,.and as well as northern england, bringing for a time bringing some steady for a time whilst things up the whilst things brighten up the north—east scotland, wind north—east of scotland, the wind , the showers easing here a less cold in the north on wednesday, seven or eight celsius. further not quite as mild as tuesday or 11 celsius, but a cloudy end to the day. for most now, we've got this next weather system moving through bringing some steady rain across . northern ireland, rain across. northern ireland, scotland, northern england on wednesday night. and that will keep things frost free. but it is a damp start to thursday on in the northwest of scotland further south spells further south clear spells overnight but it will be a generally cloudy picture for wales in the southwest again keeping things frost free. but i think grey skies across the board on thursday with the last couple of days and into wednesday for northern scotland further steady rain heaviest over north—west highlands and. that rain's going to continue through much of thursday as well as into friday. but for the rest
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censorship. i'm dan watson tonight. happy independence day. three years on from our glorious from the eu, this should be another national celebration . another national celebration. but the deranged campaign to destroy outbreaks of dream is still holding the country back . still holding the country back. if not, be more honest to . if not, be more honest to. acknowledge that brexit is fighting on its own terms for business, essentially the gig is up three years in. i'm not really anybody is pretending that things going to get better , but our politicians must. the media haters, wreckers prove that they will truly brexit to create a better united kingdom. that's very special brexit day digest next that myself our
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panel weigh in. joining me tonight patel calvin robinson andrew bakery's then we'll get the view of political heroes who made the leave dream come true . made the leave dream come true. at 935, nigel farage unveils his battle plan to save brexit from an establishment plot to rejoin the eu by stealth . and former the eu by stealth. and former conservative minister , prominent conservative minister, prominent brexiteer sir john redwood conservative minister, prominent brexiteer sirjohn redwood , brexiteer sir john redwood, reveals what the government needs to do to neutralise the threat of a roman a coup. his unmissable analysis from inside westminster coming up at 1020. also on the show tonight , as also on the show tonight, as it's revealed, she wants a major in negotiating the coronation and peace deal with archbishop justin welby. can the arch enemy, meghan markle , be trusted enemy, meghan markle, be trusted to do the right thing by britain ? nile gardiner, joanna zhu and, richard fitzwilliam are going to duke it out in the clash on at 920. as a shocking new ad campaign shows education unions young minds for propaganda , young minds for propaganda, should parents involved use the
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any you for the cost of extra and lost wages caused the strikes. well kelvin mckenzie says it's high time the lefties paid for the pain they are inflicting on hard working brits. and he's going to live on that at 1040. donald trump is pulling no punches on blistering return to the trail . well, i return to the trail. well, i hear he might run, you know , i hear he might run, you know, i consider that very disloyal. but it's not about loyalty. but to me is it's always about. so is it too early to ? write off the it too early to? write off the former president making a style comeback . us journalists former president making a style comeback. us journalists making galley gives us the lowdown stateside at 950 and with j.k. rowling calling out to sturgeon, the first minister's close ally, telling rebels to leave , the telling rebels to leave, the party has scheming sturgeon destroyed her political career by pandering to these woke extremists? we're going to debate the brewing civil war at 1030. plus, matt hancock, some money grabbing . get him out of money grabbing. get him out of here . are you telling the truth?
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