6:00 michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& c0, the show where is dewbs& co, the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got you talking now today is being called walk out wednesday and not for us troop is there. we've managed to get ourselves into work, but half a million other people didn't do strikes. i speak about of course, everywhere i gain no letup in sight. is the government doing enough? is it time now for them to relent and basically say , you know what, basically say, you know what, whatever you want , you basically say, you know what, whatever you want, you can have it, let's just stop the strikes. i want your thoughts on that. and apparently rumours are false that there has been a deal

reached with the eu when it comes to the northern ireland protocol. is it true ? is that protocol. is it true? is that going to be the end of it? can we finally all then move on from brexit or will it be a catch? your thoughts and you les , what your thoughts and you les, what do you think to this? are you someone that be affected by it? is the latest scheme of many, isn't it that many people call the war on cow bars? are you caught up in this? and i saw a scheme the other day. wasn't the eu less, something similar, eu less, but something similar, which saying that which basically was saying that unless in council unless you live in the council tax borough , you won't be able tax borough, you won't be able to take a shortcut through various side streets. if you do , you'll get a fine. do you , you'll get a fine. what do you make to that? this kind of whole ownership these roads all of ownership of these roads all of a with penalties a sudden with penalties for the rest support it or rest of us? do you support it or not? the police ? they seem not? and the police? they seem to be asked to do absolutely everything these days. don't they? but when it comes to things like sitting with a pet in prison or whatever in place is like any nhs, a&e is or wards , how much time do you think the

police should be dedicating this force now that want to build the nhs for wasting their time? basically are you in favour of that or not? before we get into it all, let's bring ourselves up to speed, shall we? with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. q well, as you've been hearing, hundreds of thousands of workers have been taking part today in walkout wednesday. the uk's biggest day of industrial action in more than a decade. up to half a million people across seven trade unions went on strike over pay jobs and conditions as teachers took part in the action along with border force officials and bus and train drivers, which caused some travel disruption . the education travel disruption. the education minister, nick gibb has described the strikes as disruptive . it is disappointing disruptive. it is disappointing that the new one of those four unions has taken strike action

today, jeopardising children's education. they have already suffered two years of interruption during the covid pandemic. so this is the last thing children need and it's the last thing parents need. so they say, let's talk, let's say, look, let's talk, let's continue talks about these continue those talks about these important . well, having important issues. well, having courtney, the general secretary of the national education union, says the government needs to find the money to pay for pay rises . they never thought we'd rises. they never thought we'd reach these thresholds. they weren't planning on us reaching them. and since we've reached them. and since we've reached the thresholds, 40,000 more people joined the union as people have joined the union as well. so it does show there's a huge of feeling in the huge strength of feeling in the profession that government must act and put things right. i think gillian keegan is hoping that the strike be that the strike won't be effective and there won't be any further action, that there could be action. needs to be further action. she needs to do deal that doesn't do a deal so that that doesn't happen. do a deal so that that doesn't happen . meanwhile, the trades happen. meanwhile, the trades union congress has handed a petition to downing street today opposing the government's plans for a new law on minimum levels of service during strikes. the

petition against the bill was signed by more than 200,000 members of the public. the government says it will continue to hold talks with unions . now to hold talks with unions. now it's been confirmed that four year old alice stones , who died year old alice stones, who died in a dog attack in milton keynes, was killed by a family pet. thames valley police has described this as a tragic and easily awaited incident. no arrests have been made and superintendent mark talbot says then, now working to establish then, now working to establish the breed of the dog. we are currently believe that this was a tragic isole incident and there is no threat to the wider community. accordingly, no arrests have been made at this time . i can confirm that the dog time. i can confirm that the dog was a family pet and was put down by police. police at the scene yesterday evening . and scene yesterday evening. and part of the investigation is to establish the breed of that dog while our investigation takes place. there will be more

officers in the area over the coming days . a failed asylum coming days. a failed asylum seeker from iran has been detained indefinitely for killing an 87 year old woman at her north yorkshire home. shaheen darvish narain farm befriended brenda blaney and lived with her in thornton le dale. he went on to strangle the pensioner and stab her in january last year. it's understood his asylum claim was refused in 2017, but he couldn't be removed from the uk because there wasn't a deportation agreement in place with iran . agreement in place with iran. now boris johnson has been urging western leaders to further boost their support for ukraine. speaking in washington today , he told senior today, he told senior politicians that president volodymyr zelenskyy should be given all the equipment he needs. he's asked them to supply fighter jets, which downing street has so far refused to do. others do. they god bless america for having the guts and the wisdom to help . and i

the wisdom to help. and i implore you now to follow the logic of what you are all doing and give the ukrainians the tools to finish the job, give them the deep fire, artillery systems, give them the tanks, give them the planes, because they have a plan. they know what they have a plan. they know what they need to do. and my god, they need to do. and my god, they should. they have the skill and the bravery to do it . well, and the bravery to do it. well, staying in the united states, the fbi is searching on president joe biden's beach house in delaware as part of an ongoing investigation into his handung ongoing investigation into his handling of classified documents . his lawyer says the operation was carried out with the consent of biden's legal team. the fbi searched one of biden's homes in delaware last month after his team found classified documents there. his former private office was also searched in november. here house prices have fallen for the fifth month in a row down by 0.6% on december. nationwide house price index

shows the average home now costs just over £258,000. annual price growth slowed to 1.1% in january. and that comes as the bank of england is poised to raise interest rates for the 10th consecutive time . that's 10th consecutive time. that's the news you're up to date on tv, online and dab, plus radio . tv, online and dab, plus radio. this is gb news. back now to deep inside . deep inside. thanks for that, polly . deep inside. thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening alongside me, kevin craig is the former labour councillor and the ceo of plymouth communications . ceo of plymouth communications. and ben habib is the chief executive of fast property group and former brexit party mep and housewife's favourite ben habib member. if you are not ringing,

i'm not winking. member. if you are not ringing, i'm not winking . well, if you're i'm not winking. well, if you're a regular viewer to this programme, you will remember that. i think it was last week we did play ben's wing. if i had my way, i'd do it every single time you were on, but you might get i was trying to get a bit tired. i was trying to convince kevin in the convince kevin craig in the interest of show, asking interest of the show, asking whether not he wants to do whether or not he wants to do a away. don't think he should be away. i don't think he should be allowed show until he's allowed on the show until he's willing to give not willing to give us. it's not often, oh, you're always having none of it. you are very much a housewife's favourite though you should about doing should maybe think about doing a 2024 calendar because that would be a good idea. in fact, we could do like you could do like could do like you could do like could please michelle could you please stop? michelle so shut up and get on with what i'm talking about. i'm supposed to talking about. by i'm supposed to talking about. by way did the by the way, did you see the bofis by the way, did you see the boris johnson story in the headunes boris johnson story in the headlines there? what do you make this? boris make of all of this? boris johnson's stuff with ukraine? if i rishi i'm not i was rishi sunak, i'm not actually sure i'd appreciate bofis actually sure i'd appreciate boris johnson getting involved to extent . for it would to this extent. for me, it would feel he's trying to feel like he's trying to undermine and this whole talk undermine me and this whole talk of jets. hmm what do you of fighter jets. hmm what do you think? should the uk be sending fighter to ukraine? it

fighterjets to ukraine? it makes i feel makes me worry because i feel like almost blindly kind like we're almost blindly kind of heading into to involving ourselves in a full on war at this rate. and if you think you've got problems in this country now, won't have seen country now, you won't have seen the maybe i'm in the the half of it. maybe i'm in the wrong. give thoughts wrong. give me your thoughts coming tonight. course, coming up tonight. of course, i will be talking about walk out wednesday and northern ireland protocol. about the protocol. talk to you about the police should they be police as well. should they be fining basically for fining the nhs basically for wasting and ulez as wasting their time and ulez as well? are you going to be affected by one of these charges and what do you make anyway? so the sudden desire from all of these councils to act like they are suddenly owners these are suddenly owners of these roads woe betide anyone that roads and woe betide anyone that drives them if they don't drives on them if they don't define that you are allowed to be on that. it feels a little bit like a power grab too far to me. give me your thoughts. gb views. gb .uk is my email. views. gb news. .uk is my email. you me as per usual at you can tweet me as per usual at gb news or at michelle james. lots of you were in touch today. i like a leprechaun, steve says. am i going to a fancy dress party tonight? no, i'm not. steve actually. but in

hindsight, dressed for hindsight, perhaps dressed for it we are getting into it because we are getting into the northern ireland protocol a bit later on in the show, but not yet because before we do so, i want to talk walk out i want to talk about walk out wednesday. not been wednesday. we've not been affected that was troupers affected by that was troupers we've managed to we've got here we've managed to dodge strikes the disruption we've got here we've managed to dodgwe're strikes the disruption we've got here we've managed to dodgwe're here es the disruption we've got here we've managed to dodgwe're here to the disruption we've got here we've managed to dodgwe're here to telldisruption we've got here we've managed to dodgwe're here to tell yourption and we're here to tell you what's going on and what should be going on because pretty much i always said it's pretty much everyone's on strike, but there really are got teachers, really are you've got teachers, civil servants , drivers, civil servants, bus drivers, university . i got some university lecturers. i got some people in the border force . it people in the border force. it really on and the really does go on and on. the half a million people on strike right now. kevin, craig , i'll right now. kevin, craig, i'll start with you. labour's having a field day today. i mean this is that christmases come at once because this reflects incredibly badly on the tories. but what do you think should be done about all the assets that needs to be found? michelle and the government needs to be flexible and generous and improve how it deals with trade unions. i don't labour having a field day nobody sensible or grown up would

relish these strikes in the disruption that they bring. but look how many education secretaries we've had in recent years . this government's been years. this government's been just it doesn't do governing very well. you don't think that honestly you don't think the people in the labour party are really , really quite pleased really, really quite pleased about this? on one level, because it's putting the tories in a bad light. is bringing the country in lots of parts and places to its knees. that is good political capital for them. but this is one of the things i like about keir starmer is a proper grown up and he doesn't relish going through pain relish people going through pain even if it's politically expedient. he's much more of a serious person than not. do you think people should be on the picket lines and pays, etcetera 7 picket lines and pays, etcetera ? here ? no, we talked about it on here before i it's up to, you before. i mean, it's up to, you know , to keir to set the tone know, to keir to set the tone that he wants as leader of the labour party. and he is very clear what the government's got wrong . they don't negotiate very wrong. they don't negotiate very well unions, many well with the unions, too many education pay education secretaries, the pay rises, they proposed 5% this year fine. but over time teacher salaries gone down. most

salaries have gone down. most teachers i talked the teachers i talked to in the state sector, they work many more and they paid for more hours and they get paid for the morale's gone through the floor also the pay rises floor and also the pay rises have been proposed , proposed the have been proposed, proposed the way that they're being found is very for schools . so very difficult for schools. so nothing that the government's doing right, i'm doing on this is right, i'm afraid. look where we are. afraid. and look where we are. well, where we are well, yeah, look where we are indeed. habib well, i mean indeed. ben habib well, i mean i completely agree with kevin that the not very good the government is not very good at and we have at governing and we have a pubuc at governing and we have a public sector , you know, i, public sector, you know, i, i loathe the word crisis, but we have a public sector crisis right across every public sector. and that's after 13 years of borrowing to the hilt and taxing us to the hilt. so they're not short of cash . it's they're not short of cash. it's not a cash issue. it is a governance issue. and you know, we lockdown. i, i want to go into big discussion on lockdown, but we lockdown we allowed supply chains to get broken . oil supply chains to get broken. oil refining needs to be shut down. container ships to be at the wrong parts of the globe at the time that we are not and so on and forth. and we entered an

and so forth. and we entered an inflationary as we came inflationary spike as we came out lockdown government out of lockdown and government really some joined really had to have some joined up on it was going up thinking on how it was going to deal with this. i my real criticism of the government is that saw these strikes coming that it saw these strikes coming back in summer. they were well flagged. teachers threatened flagged. the teachers threatened striking university staff threatened it , barristers threatened it, barristers threatened it, barristers threatened it. the rail strike is were first out of the traps , is were first out of the traps, if you like, and the nurses threatened it. and remember, they've never been on strike before, but the government didn't move to head it off. nurses have been on strike for. we just haven't you've not had a national strike to this extent before, have we? we haven't had nurses on strike. even royal college nurses been college of nurses has never been on this is the first on strike. this is the first strike for them. nurses strike ever for them. nurses i want to go and ireland, but want to go off and ireland, but maybe i might be in my maybe i might be wrong in my facts. you will, you will. you can fight fact check it. but anyway, it's a problem the anyway, it's a problem and the government hasn't of government hasn't got ahead of it. actually the right it. and now actually the right thing solve the problem thing to do is solve the problem and they've got to get round the table, they've got to negotiate.

and if there are ways to ameliorate increases in salary by giving benefits in other non—monetary so that they non—monetary ways so that they don't get a feared second spike in inflation, which, by the way, i don't think they will, because to the extent that people are paid money this is not paid more money this is not going to be used to buy discretionary goods. discretionary consumer goods. it's used to pay the it's going to be used to pay the heating and pay for their food. i mean, people are having i mean, people are really having to hard between to make hard choices between heat eating heating and heat eating and heating and eating at the moment. and that's not good choice in first not a good choice in a first world country . but all teachers, world country. but all teachers, you know, funnily enough, i've got the least sympathy for teachers because teachers were out front championing out of the front championing lockdowns, to into lockdowns, refusing to come into work, that and fearing work, making that and fearing contamination from their children , making the children children, making the children wear masks when they shouldn't have been wearing masks , have been wearing masks, shutting down social interaction between children. and it was lockdowns in my opinion, that created the inflationary spike. that's really kicked the teachers the shins. teachers in the shins. so i think they to they need to think they need to they need to do introspection well in do some introspection as well in the handled the way that they handled themselves i mean, i would say

themselves. i mean, i would say in defence of many teachers actually their actions during the lockdown were governed by child welfare . there were big child welfare. there were big concerns about infections being passed on to elderly relatives and lockdowns, as many of us know, were a necessary part of coming through the pandemic. so there are very different views . there are very different views. i again held around this table, but to blame teachers for lockdowns, i don't i didn't blame i just said there were right up front and centre arguing the unions were arguing in favour . they doing it. in favour. they were doing it. i would contend for very honourable and valid reasons, which i think the three of us disagree about. i think that's a very polite way of putting you. i'm trying really hard. i know. yeah. it's only because case yeah. it's only because in case you're wondering, last time, last two was on and last time these two was on and they used be in they weren't used to be in brexit. it didn't, we didn't have a great. how do i put it. it well it wasn't great so it was great. yeah. yeah. well anyway we enjoyed it. we're going to close it. we're going to go answer brexit in a minute. so we'll touch on that. you say

settled man riot. so many of these people are asking for above inflation pay rises. do you think that's reasonable? i do think it's reasonable because of the context . you know, ben, of the context. you know, ben, actually talked about that where increases in pay will be spent, 16.7% food price increases . we 16.7% food price increases. we heard on this channel today, 750,000 households across the uk in risk at risk of mortgage default . many of these people default. many of these people are teachers and they're not teachers. and the unions believe it or not, many of these unions are quite modern organisations. they're not doing it for the fun of it or to cause havoc . it of it or to cause havoc. it really that over time they really is that over time they teachers have been subject to pay teachers have been subject to pay decreases . that's the pay decreases. that's the reality. do you think there's an element of this? because in various places union membership is the decline. the unions is on the decline. the unions are not as powerful they once are not as powerful as they once were this country. do you were in this country. do you think do worry perhaps think or do you worry perhaps there an element of the union there is an element of the union is trying re—establish and is trying to re—establish and regroup power. no, i don't regroup their power. no, i don't think so . i

regroup their power. no, i don't think so. i can regroup their power. no, i don't think so . i can see why you think so. i can see why you would ask that. i mean, i think all of us are aware of the history of britain and the, you know, industrial disputes , know, industrial disputes, particularly in the 1970s, where labour was perceived to have lost control of governing . i lost control of governing. i don't believe so. and i'll declare it. i think there are hints of it, aren't there, kevin? with the rmt i feel mick lynch his deputy whose name lynch and his deputy whose name escapes me at the moment, but his deputy quite a sort of his deputy is quite a sort of strident , you know, if you if strident, you know, if you if you had him in the 1970s, you describe it as a sort of you know, pinko commie, subversive . know, pinko commie, subversive. well, they are they are the rmt and are not currently affiliated to the labour party. so how does his own canoe, you know, did you just say you're a member of the gmb well. yeah. and they are gmb as well. yeah. and they are affiliated to the labour party. what do you think to this? do you there's any element of you think there's any element of kind capital kind of political capital being trying you know trying to be achieved? you know , mean, the labour party , i mean, the labour party obviously not the yeah. obviously not the same. yeah. i mean, i had mick lynch today and i know you said that rmt is not unked i know you said that rmt is not linked to low pay, but he was saying he's , you know,

saying basically he's, you know, rising of the working class , rising of the working class, that he was saying we basically demand we are united, we won't be divided on the basis of who we work for. so this whole kind of notion of coordination and bringing this together , what bringing this together, what other benefit is there in coordinating strikes across sector cross union? if it's not for political capital? well i think it's political progress. people want their voices heard. they have a they have there is a common sentiment in the public sector and in many unions that the country is going to the dogs because of its political leadership. now, not everybody watching or listening tonight would agree with that. right. but think nothing works but they think nothing works properly. it's badly run . and properly. it's badly run. and they think the way this the conservative party governs that they billions of pounds they waste billions of pounds when suits them. and there when it suits them. and there mates they can't find mates and then they can't find it for public sector salaries thatis it for public sector salaries that is a summary of what a lot of people feel, and rightly so. i saw some pictures today and they made me feel really uncomfortable actually, loads of kids saw one picture of a kid

kids i saw one picture of a kid with a sign saying tax the rich fair , pay for whack, tax the fair, pay for whack, tax the rich . and i dunno, it made me rich. and i dunno, it made me feel like a little bit on i don't know, what did it make me feel? it made a bum clench a little bit. it made. i'm trying to think, i'm trying to eloquently describe . i've made eloquently describe. i've made me feel. yeah, well, it's a feeling. it's the politics of envy. feeling. it's the politics of envy . it's a politics. it's envy. it's a politics. it's politics of division. and that's going to be inculcated . you going to be inculcated. you know, if people can't afford to heat or eat, they will start attacking. what they regard is those who are better off. and that's bound to happen. it's that's bound to happen. and it's not forward. no, it's not the way forward. no, it's not. and you're right. you not. and you're right. but, you know, all of us active know, i think all of us active and well of public sector and well aware of public sector , private sector in politics, you know, it's aspiration is great. know , it's critical great. you know, it's critical is critical. and it's they should be great. most working class people i grew up with and know want things for know want better things for their than they and their kids than they had. and that's so you end up that's great. so if you end up becoming that's also becoming rich, that's also great. and you get rich, great. and when you get rich, you more taxes for the

you pay more taxes for the country you love. easy. well keep thoughts coming so keep your thoughts coming in. so many so let's many of you opinion. so let's have look at some of them, have a look at some of them, shall we? morris says, why do all and union all these strikers and union leaders behaviour leaders refer to their behaviour as industrial action? surely it should be known morris industrial inaction. i've got to say, i thought that, you know, when i saw this, a lot of the civil servants out on the picket lines stuff. so i'll back lines and stuff. so i'll be back to work tomorrow from their bedrooms or wherever it is that they're tomorrow. did they're working tomorrow. it did make a bit strange. make me feel a bit strange. anyway, graham's says the government take government needs to take a firmer stance, get to work. firmer stance, get back to work. when say get back wall, when you say get back to wall, i think mean work or your think you mean work or lose your jobs. richard, the jobs. you say, richard, the strikes will fail and infighting will begin soon. all the government needs to do is hold firm and common sense will win , firm and common sense will win, lisa said. the care staff , who lisa said. the care staff, who are in desperate need of an increase, haven't been on strike and they are the lowest paid . and they are the lowest paid. i've got to say as well, not only they're the lowest paid, i would say so many people, they don't seem to hold these care workers in the regard that they

certainly should. lisa, i mean, can interrupted can i just interrupted i understand the sentiment about the staying firm and the government staying firm and making back to making sure people come back to work strikes end, but work and strikes end, but i think that ends up think where that ends up eventually is a third world economy because people are going to be we're going to have loads of unskilled labour. we won't be investing in businesses. of unskilled labour. we won't be investing in businesses . they investing in businesses. they won't moving forward with the won't be moving forward with the aspiration need to aspiration that they need to move in order for the move forward in order for the country to progress. it's i can see the temptation to just hold firm, but i think it's deeply damaging the psyche of the damaging to the psyche of the country. just a couple country. i'll just do a couple more. for your thoughts. more. sorry for your thoughts. no, janette says no, that's fine. janette says i'm i haven't i'm a teacher, but i haven't been on strike. was been out on strike. i was dismayed to see placards saying pay all colleagues pay up because all colleagues i speak bothered about speak to are not bothered about pay - speak to are not bothered about pay . they are more bothered pay. they are more bothered about conditions . but stuart about conditions. but stuart says only way to resolve says the only way to resolve these demands the public these wage demands in the public sector them a 10% sector is to give them a 10% increase and reduce their employer's pension contributions by 10. obviously if you do that, stuart, get off things like national insurance contributions and things like that to pay on those salaries. but would you be

happy if you lost someone that's on strike, if that's stuart's suggestion was to take all of. so, yes, you can have your pay rise, but we'll take it off you. the other end coming out of your pensions . with that, we'll show pensions. with that, we'll show you a quick break. when we come back, i'm going to have a boxing match also known as kevin and ben, debating brexit. the northern ireland protocol apparently almost done and dusted. the deal perhaps has been reached. has it will it work or all this rumble on and on. your thoughts. i'll see you

in two. hi there , michelle dewberry. and hi there, michelle dewberry. and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got kevin craig, the former labour councillor and the ceo of plymouth communication and ben habib is chief exec of first property group and a former brexit party mep, britain's best

business brains. brexit party mep, britain's best business brains . that's what you business brains. that's what you two are. you're among the two, aren't you? among the two top business brands ? that's what i business brands? that's what i like to think of when you've beenin like to think of when you've been in touch. you are saying pubuc been in touch. you are saying public servants should sign an employment contracts against striking and then agree. an independent survey process into renumeration for the job. don't forget, they were in. one of the problems at the moment is this whole kind of minimum service levels that people are up in arms the moments. mean, arms about the moments. i mean, if they even get some if they can't even get some of that the line , how do you that over the line, how do you propose that they would get, you know, basically clause in the know, basically a clause in the strike the line says strike over the line last says union leaders just causing union leaders are just causing harm their own members. why union leaders are just causing harm you heir own members. why union leaders are just causing harm you wait)wn members. why union leaders are just causing harm you wait till members. why union leaders are just causing harm you wait till inflation 5. why union leaders are just causing harm you wait till inflation is why don't you wait till inflation is down to 3% and then match their pay down to 3% and then match their pay increases with that for what you in the meantime that less you do in the meantime that less because will say because these workers will say that afford to live that they can't afford to live in the here the now can when in the here and the now can when will the strikers realise that the wages. oh the union bosses wages. oh sorry. when will strikers sorry. when will the strikers realise union realise they pay the union bosses giving them top bosses wages, giving them top dollar , living fast cars and

dollar, living fast cars and second homes? if they didn't pay those fees that won't be represented. can it, by the union. so what would they do then? you tell me. let's talk brexit, shall we? apparently there's been a agreed with there's been a deal. agreed with brussels resolve the northern brussels to resolve the northern ireland . i'm going to ireland protocol. i'm going to just get straight into this button because a lot of people watching this , you know, they watching this, you know, they might not live in northern ireland and they might live in northern wolverhampton. they're sitting and they're saying sitting there and they're saying this protocol this northern ireland protocol and running their eyes and they're running their eyes out why would i be out like why would i be concerned? you know , what would concerned? you know, what would you say to them? okay, so as i'm sure you know, michel and lots of viewers will know, i've been fighting northern ireland fighting the northern ireland protocol and protocol from the beginning. and it's had i have it's not because i had i have not a particular love not developed a particular love for ireland, but for northern ireland, but actually started this actually when i started this campaign against the protocol, it because any it wasn't because of any particular love of northern ireland, because could ireland, it was because i could see was going be used to see it was going to be used to damage united kingdom and damage the united kingdom and that's what it's done . and this that's what it's done. and this is people in great britain, is what people in great britain, as distinct from northern

ireland, need to understand . ireland, need to understand. northern ireland has been left behind in the eu single market for goods. so there's a regulatory border down the irish sea . that means that if great sea. that means that if great britain wishes to deviate from eu law, that border would become increased singly, more obvious. so to give you a very tangible example , you know, yesterday example, you know, yesterday there was a lot of chatter about brexit and how things hadn't really been done brexit, really been done with brexit, how hadn't taken advantage how we'd hadn't taken advantage of nigel on show of it. and nigel on his show open by you know, one of open by saying, you know, one of the simplest things the government and government could have done and it's pertinent to the cost of living crisis is cut the 5% tax on fuel duty that we you know the fuel duty that we pay for home fuel . but we can't do that home fuel. but we can't do that because if we did cut that tax, northern irish would still be paying northern irish would still be paying it. under the terms of the protocol . and people in the protocol. and people in great britain would be better off and demonstrably the protocol would be damaging. northern ireland. rishi sunak got up in the commons a few

months ago and said he can't cut vat in great britain because of the northern ireland protocol and it doesn't stop there. there's a whole host of regulatory aspects associated with the protocol that prevent us. when you say can't cook vat because of the northern ireland protocol can or is it protocol, is it can or is it want to because it doesn't want to create a point difference to create a point of difference between he doesn't want between because he doesn't want to a point of difference, to create a point of difference, he in great britain. he can cut it in great britain. he can't technically but he can't technically do it, but he's to. but he he's choosing not to. but he can't it in ireland can't do it in northern ireland and he's choosing not to. and that that that problem applies to host of regulations. to a whole host of regulations. so of the reasons we haven't so one of the reasons we haven't ditched eu law is ditched lots of eu law is because we want deviate because we don't want to deviate from eu because it'll show from the eu because it'll show up regulatory border down up that regulatory border down the sea . and that is the irish sea. and that is precisely how the eu wanted the protocol to work to hold britain the whole of the united kingdom close through northern ireland. it's a gaffe . if you if you know it's a gaffe. if you if you know what i mean by a gaffe, which is that really brutal fishing instrument you used to , you instrument you used to, you know, hook a large fish when

it's up by the side of your boat, you get it into the flesh of the fish and you pull it out. and that's what the protocol is. so if anyone in in great britain thinks it's not an issue for them, it's a huge issue . and the them, it's a huge issue. and the other point, i just want to make, and it's an emotive point, but a important one, but it's a very important one, what of country are we if what kind of country are we if we are going to leave behind 1.8 million people in northern ireland subject to foreign laws made by a foreign parliament or a foreign government and enforced by a foreign court that is literally a breach of human rights. sensible stuff that kevin craig you agree with is no . i thought i did. and i don't. and i think what's needed in northern ireland is the compromise flexibility and mutual understanding that has characterise the peace process since the good friday agreement . now for full transparency, which i won't mind you know, i'm a joint, i'm a british citizen,

an artist and i'm proud and i love both countries. right, ben , you know, you've got you've very much aligned with this traditional what is it called, traditional what is it called, traditional unionist voice party. you've donated to them . party. you've donated to them. you do a lot of campaigning on brexit with my good friend brexit with my very good friend or share a politics lady, or don't share a politics lady, kate hoey. people here are kate hoey. but people here are not as immersed in it. there is in ireland. there isn't in northern ireland. there isn't unanimity about how people feel about the protocol . i thought about the protocol. i thought the irish tea shock . the irish the irish tea shock. the irish premier was really conciliatory a few days ago . he said he a few days ago. he said he understood and i understand actually why is there in the unionist community there is anger and uncertainty caused by the protocol they feel it was when it was agreed there wasn't a functioning executive in northern ireland, so they feel upset about that. on the positive side, the northern irish economy is outperforming the economy of our country as a whole. there is no hard border. okay there is no hard border in the sense that many people understand it and the prime minister, where we probably do

agree, is in a pickle because he would love to compromise , i would love to compromise, i think. but there are many people for very valid reasons who share, if you like benn's outlook, who think that this is risks going too far , i think and risks going too far, i think and william hague said it today there should be compromise. and i think that northern ireland only succeeds when people of extreme different views can manage to come together and the language about foreign governments will help half the population in northern ireland identify more with the republic . the entire population in northern ireland is british and half the population in northern ireland identify with the repubuc ireland identify with the republic of ireland right. the good friday agreement agreed in law that if a majority of people ever voted to leave and join the revolt republic of ireland, they would. i'm just trying to say we need compra my eyes and sometimes the tone of the discussions doesn't respect both . no. in this nationalist

community, the greatest respect there should be no compromise on this issue. northern ireland is part of the union of great britain and northern ireland part of the united kingdom. there can be no compromise. you cannot have a foreign you cannot have you cannot have a foreign power making laws and adjudicate on them in part of the united kingdom . that is vacillation kingdom. that is vacillation thatis kingdom. that is vacillation that is the annexation of part of the united kingdom. the good friday agreement, of the united kingdom. the good friday agreement , the good friday agreement, the good friday agreement, the good friday agreement, the good friday agreement is going to be set asunder if they don't ditch the protocol. that is how danger us this political game is . we're us this political game is. we're getting into northern irish politics and i wanted to keep this really relevant to people in the united kingdom as a whole, but it's all interwoven , whole, but it's all interwoven, i think. but it isn't. it isn't to into into into into . wasn't to into into into into. wasn't it was it is interwoven. but there can be no excuse for it. there can be no excuse for a foreign power adjudicating part of the united kingdom. they just

cannot happen . and overnight we cannot happen. and overnight we had this deal that came out championing the possibility of an invisible trade border between great britain and northern ireland. and this hasn't been confirmed yet. so it's just a reminder. yeah, but if you can have an invisible trade border between great britain and northern ireland, which has five times more trade than northern ireland to the repubuc than northern ireland to the republic , you can equally and republic, you can equally and easily have that invisible trade border on the island where the border on the island where the border already exists and where the good friday agreement recognises a border and moreover, and i want everyone to look this up if they've got 10 minutes where there is a paper produced by the european union in november 2017 which says quite a smart border on the island of ireland is quite feasible and the customs border could easily have gone there. what happened is the eu has seen this as a political gaffe , as this as a political gaffe, as a political opportunity and gaff

the united kingdom in its side and hook it and either bring it back or split northern ireland from the united kingdom and that is entirely unacceptable to every british citizen in this country. i think. i think. well i think i do perhaps. no, i think 57% of us in this country don't think brexit was a good idea . as we said, we're not idea. as we said, we're not talking about brexit. we're talking about brexit. we're talking about. all right. so if you attribute characteristics and motives to the european union, i think, you know , we union, i think, you know, we have to be accurate . i don't have to be accurate. i don't believe the european union wants to cause trouble for precisely what it wants. i do. kevin doesn't the european union didn't want us to vote leave , didn't want us to vote leave, but now that we did, it respects that. no, come on. it made it difficult. is part of the friends your heart brexiteers around this table about being hard core and it is basic common sense why would a union the eu want to make it easy and seamless for the uk to exit?

there's been so many rumours and all the rest of it around the countries trying to separate from the eu. it surely and from the eu. it is surely and this is common sense. it's not anything about being loyal to brexit or loyal to remain is bafic brexit or loyal to remain is basic sense. it is surely basic common sense. it is surely in of the eu to in the interests of the eu to make this process difficult, make this process as difficult, as painful and as full of friction as possible , to send friction as possible, to send the to any of the the message to any of the absolute never consider absolute never ever consider brexit or what would be brexit, but never ever consider leaving the eu. because at what the eu. because look at what will if you do well, will happen if you do well, surely must that no surely you must concede that no opportunity. tell you why opportunity. i'll tell you why specifically. one, specifically. number one, northern ireland, place unlike northern ireland, a place unlike no other in the union with its its historical, cultural , its historical, cultural, religious circumstances and the european union's leading commissioners representatives are on the record as saying that they want to try and get a situation that never , ever risks situation that never, ever risks escalating divisions in northern ireland, which in any way risk bringing us back to the bad old days. bringing us back to the bad old days . so i do know that of days. so i do know that of course they didn't want us to leave, but they did speak often . the customs border

. why didn't the customs border where the eu said it could quite easily in first place? it easily go in the first place? it was only after that eu paper came out varadkar then took came out that varadkar then took these photographs to an these emotive photographs to an eu summit in in 2018 showing bombed out border posts in northern ireland to win the political, he literally weaponize the border issue and he came he you know if you talk about destabilising the peace process, that's precisely what the protocol does it destabilise is the peace process that i think the think we've really gone deep into northern irish. i think the think the real i go back to what i said the first time i was speaking this evening is that in terms of why it matters to viewers across this country and i maintain that if this is going to work , there has this is going to work, there has to be compromise and flexibility , you mean regulatory , which you mean regulatory alignment across the uk and that's the end of brexit and that's the end of brexit and that's what the eu wants. that's the problem. i do agree on that last statement. who would have thought michel well, that's thought it? michel well, that's because i mean, i absolutely

blows my brain that you think that the eu actually want this to be as seamless and as easy and as gentle and as effective and as gentle and as effective and as gentle and as effective and as efficient as possible. i can't get my head around that. and it's not because i'm in the same brexit as ben. it's about it just doesn't stack up. what do you think the european union's anything of union's done? anything of any note good in its history? but note or good in its history? but this this this country, of course i do hate the eu , but on course i do hate the eu, but on balance, i just think that actually this country would be better served being an independent nation. doesn't this country you're all europeans or the european union or anything like that. this will not be able to become truly independent and chart a path for its national interest and the interests of british people until it ditches the northern ireland protocol. well never mind this country. this programme won't be to do that, it did after the that, but it did after the break, in a mention, michel, that 57% of people currently . that 57% of people currently. i'm not suggesting we do. you've mentioned you feel we have to give a chance just saying,

give it a chance just saying, well, you know what, guys, you've had different perspectives. leave perspectives. i'm going to leave it to make your own it with you to make your own minds you make of it minds up what you make of it all, you get it, by the way, all, do you get it, by the way, after all? a lot. do you still get will the northern ireland protocol why would affect protocol is why it would affect you wolverhampton, you at home? wolverhampton, wigan, wherever you give wigan, wherever you are. give me your into your thoughts. i'll see you into when back. i want to talk when i come back. i want to talk to you about you. les, do you have one of these schemes near you? you support it? sadiq you? do you support it? sadiq khan london. is that khan loves it in london. is that the move forward? give me the right move forward? give me your see you into your thoughts. i'll see you into

the 7:00 this evening. kevin the former labour councillor and ceo of palomar communications and ben habib, the chief executive first property group and former brexit party mep five. keep me company until 7:00 with you, ian

says. we can't move on with brexit until we're fully out of any eu control . brexit until we're fully out of any eu control. remainers brexit until we're fully out of any eu control . remainers always any eu control. remainers always blame our words on brexit. they cannot accept the democratic mandate. i never do. so it's often i don't use that ramona, as i did then , because you used as i did then, because you used it yourself and i'm reading you out, but i just don't think it's helpful. let's call the other side names. i think need to try and move on in a positive manner, show myself. well, it is tempting . yes, it is tempting , tempting. yes, it is tempting, but i think in the end i'm making a joke in anyway. i just making a joke in anyway. ijust think we all disagree that . but think we all disagree that. but i like to respectfully disagree . and i think when we get down to the level of name calling, i think we've almost kind of lost the argument that point. the argument at that point. barry if you are going to barry says. if you are going to a deal on the northern ireland protocol, our protocol, you can guarantee our remain. government will make remain. the government will make sure it favours eu 100. sure it favours to the eu 100. richard brexiteer peter says northern ireland should become independent and then apply back to join the uk. done and independent and then apply back

to join the uk . done and dusted. to join the uk. done and dusted. darren says no matter how this government sells this deal, the unionists will never accepting. carol says thank you, ben from someone living in northern ireland. it's great to hear that we are still considered british. i get into that . so let's talk i get into that. so let's talk with us, shall we? do you have one of these schemes? these are the low emission schemes that are popping up everywhere, often under different names. are popping up everywhere, often under different names . but in under different names. but in london, is the one we go london, ulez is the one we go by. sadiq khan basically, he's expanding them and expanding them, getting a lot of criticism on them. now he's basically saying the people that saying that the people that oppose schemes are very oppose these schemes are very similar to the people that once upon ban ansari sorry, upon a time ban ansari sorry, the smoking ban. let's get straight to the on this one. ben habib, do you support these ulez schemes or not? completely against them? it's a tax on the working and middle classes at a time that they can least afford . oh kevin , i am in favour of . oh kevin, i am in favour of what sadiq trying to do. we should and there are plans for exemptions for people on lower

incomes and benefits . but the incomes and benefits. but the reality is the air in our capital and indeed elsewhere is killing people and public health. england estimating that could be over the next 4 to 12, 15 years, two and a half billion cases of coronary disease, strokes, lung cancer because of air quality. now i just think it's a real, real issue, but it's a real, real issue, but it's not that one should relish any increase in charges or anything that causes pain , but anything that causes pain, but said he's got a big scheme that he's putting in to give people financial redress. if they if they have to change vehicles. the scrappage scheme and ultimately i understand people's frustration and sometimes you feel like local authorities are making your life difficult to try and get around a totally understand that but air pollution in our capital is dreadful . well, i mean that's dreadful. well, i mean that's not right , actually, kevin. it's not right, actually, kevin. it's not right, actually, kevin. it's not right. and i did send i send a screenshot to the hang on produce section , the pollution

produce section, the pollution picture they go through, what we're seeing. so what you see there is a picture of greater london, which is where he wants to impose the expanded ulez and blue is basically very good air quality , everything up to yellow quality, everything up to yellow is perfectly acceptable. air quality . so it goes blue, green, quality. so it goes blue, green, yellow is acceptable and it's only the very inner part of london, not show viewers can see exactly where that is . but just exactly where that is. but just so you're clear, this is a static so this is a live you can look at this live online anywhere you want. and it's put out by tfl. by the way, this map was put out by tfl, the website is on the top, right. if you're watching you're not watching watching if you're not watching , it is london air all you care . we've got a strategy, a static image there. hence can't zoom image there. hence i can't zoom into it. but i just took that picture before we came on air. so that was kind of like rush houn so that was kind of like rush hour. so there's no there's no real case to charging people real case to be charging people in this expanded area to try and reduce emissions. emissions are perfectly under control . and the perfectly under control. and the

other point i'd make, but there's just a this is a couple of other ways, though. well, i mean , that's a map that isn't mean, that's a map that isn't maps. one map you've whistled that i don't know what a tfl but i say what's the point to i would say what's the point to it. it was average it. it was it's average emissions the look it up emissions across the look it up kevin honestly so but the other point i'd make is there's nothing worse for carbon emissions and nitrous oxide than cars sitting around and with all their restrictions that sadiq khan has put in place in central london, you can't get around anymore without sitting in traffic. farage is one of the problems we've got in central london is cars sitting around ambling, creating nitrous oxide and then the third point i'd like to make actually is at the same time as taxing people for using vehicles. he's using their vehicles. he's taxing us well. he's increasing costs at tfl across the board . costs at tfl across the board. so even before the inflationary spike, tfl charges went up by 5% in 2022. and now he's putting them up by another 6. so that's an 11% increase using public

transport. and i renewed my bofis transport. and i renewed my boris bike annual thing that a member of last year it cost me 90 quid to be a member of boris bike for a year. this, this time around it was 120 quid. that's a 33% increase and that's a paris friendly as it gets. why isn't he cut wasn't using some of this ulez income to make boris bikes not in london by the way. don't know what is on about me. a bofis know what is on about me. a boris bike is basically those rental schemes where you've got bikes dotted around there in cities and down the country cities up and down the country now. so bikes dotted around. you use smartphone or whatever use your smartphone or whatever you for half you pay, you take one for half an hour or whatever. i think i'd love you on that, the love to see you on that, by the way, it's cycle scheme way, it's a cycle scheme instigated by ken livingston that carefully that boris very carefully appropriated , which is typical appropriated, which is typical of him. i agree with you on of him. and i agree with you on that one, but we do call him bofis that one, but we do call him boris by the look. we disagree that there is an emergency over air quality in london. so we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that. and, you know , on on the good side and

actually , i do give some credit actually, i do give some credit to boris johnson. cycling in london is better than it's ever been. right there are more people using bikes and there's some real progress made, much of london was built before the car was invented. okay, that's our trouble . okay. there a trouble. okay. there was a report out in the in recent weeks , i'm sure aware of it. weeks, i'm sure aware of it. london is one of the most congested cities on earth because shut the roads. because he shut all the roads. yes but if we just have to yes but but if we just have to accept that higher polluting vehicles , we just can't carry on vehicles, we just can't carry on as we are those of us who think there is an air quality issue in london, don't think that things can carry on. ultimately sadiq khan will get this tested at the ballot well, yeah , this ballot box. well, yeah, this scrappage scheme, by the way, £110 million, that's what we've just been referring to . you can just been referring to. you can get grants of up to about two grand you've got grand if you've got a non—compete in vehicle. and just to is not to be clear, this is not a london issue . these kind of london issue. these kind of schemes are popping up right up and down country. absolutely and down the country. absolutely different people different guises. many people saying it's just basically a war on cars, a mechanism for

councils to fill their coffers . councils to fill their coffers. which side of the fence are you on? give me your thoughts. i'll see you back to in i. come back. i want to talk to you about the police force. now saying that they're going to essentially build the nhs for wasting their time. silly . so build the nhs for wasting their time. silly. so i'll time. sensible or silly. so i'll see you into .

hi there. i'm michelle joo. we're keeping you company right through till seven alongside me. kevin craig, the former labour councillor in the sea of plymouth communications. i'm ben habib, the chief executive first property group, former brexit party mep. and as i've just been saying, housewife's favourites look out for the 2024 calendar, right? you guys have been in contact in your droves about some of these topics tonight on the you less thing racism. people in power have put the

mayor in power and now this is what they get. it would be the same if labour got into government. well, don't forget sadiq khan is a labour mayor. right, richard said we've got a motorhome. it passes the emissions test when it's emptied. so why can't we go into this? the seaside is not the ulez is killing towns and cities . linda says, michelle, what if you're driving about? you don't know the area and you get lost. how much will that cost ? i how much will that cost? i suspect a small fortune is the answer to that. linda, moral of the story there is don't get lost unless you're absolutely minted. that's what i would say to you. let's talk police, shall we? said we? bedfordshire police said that going that they're going to stop building miniature for the building miniature house for the time spent attending. i quote there was not mine. unnecessary mental health calls . the local mental health calls. the local police and crime commissioner there says officers are spending 53000 hours a year dealing with people who've got mental health issues rather than physically fighting crime on the streets.

kevin craig so most people would agree that they don't want police officers spending time as unpaid carers and they want them out fighting crime. and we've got a crisis of crime in this country. the detail, in my opinion of what's happening here is that the conservative police and crime commissioner for that is his background that's making a song and dance . but the a song and dance. but the politics are important because you can solve this with practical agreements , as practical agreements, as happenedin practical agreements, as happened in humberside. you have to go, oh, this is outrageous . to go, oh, this is outrageous. our police officers are being deployed in an ineffective manner. we're going to build and create scandal and division. what you do is what happened in humberside, where an agreement was reached between , the police was reached between, the police and local health authorities, the officers , there was a the officers, there was a minimum time they could not be tied up all night in a&e looking after people. and that's not their job. after people. and that's not theirjob. i have huge sympathy for police forces under budget

pressures with enough officers and all of that. but this is an unnecessary wee bit of publicity from the concern . but if crime from the concern. but if crime commissioner for that area , in commissioner for that area, in my opinion, fascinating, by the way, that you think that this one is politically motivated, but somehow are not. but the strikes somehow are not. but been to but did but anyway been to be. but did you think it's right, kevin, that police force is being that the police force is being used a service for used as a taxi service for mental no, no , no, no. mental health? no, no, no, no. and i think that's why the solution in humberside, where the way local authorities and health services work with the police works because you can't carry it's not right. yeah. carry on. it's not right. yeah. i mean, if i were the police i would just refuse to do it. i'd be doing job. and i think part of the problem. hang on, refuse to do so some guys sit on a to do so if some guys sit on a bndge to do so if some guys sit on a bridge teetering on the edge, obviously health obviously a mental health issue. well would i well you would say. well, i mean, that's pretty extreme mean, that's a pretty extreme example. but they know you're talking mean, 53000 talking about i mean, the 53000 hours suicides in those hours worth of suicides in those threatened suicides in bedfordshire be bedfordshire that can't be right. i'll right. all right, then. i'll change mind. let's assume guy change my mind. let's assume guy is beat someone is frightening to beat someone off. that? well, that's all

off. is that? well, that's all lots of violent. that's a violent crime. what's he has? i don't got kind of don't know. i got some kind of cut whatever it needs cut or whatever it needs some support kind of support in a&e, that kind of thing. i mean, i my own thing. yeah. i mean, i my own take on it is that they they're acting as a taxi service for the not for the national health service. and i don't think they should that. if you should be doing that. if you look at crime statistics in bedfordshire, they're not quite as in crime rate as as the increase in crime rate in london, but they're you in london, but they're bad, you know, violence, is up. know, violence, crime is up. drug up, armed crime is drug use is up, armed crime is up. police shouldn't be up. and the police shouldn't be acting a taxi they acting as a taxi service. they should be on the streets enforcing and think enforcing the law. and i think there is a breakdown. there's a general breakdown at the top of the police. what the police the police. and what the police is about, know. so is all about, you know. and so we've got the police knocking on doors, sure people during doors, making sure people during lockdown were being i didn't break curfew. will wore mask break curfew. will wore a mask when were in the right in when they were in the right in lockdown. number ten in that band. they two band. yes so they had two bobbies standing outside. we're looking in the wrong way. the wrong . these suitcases of wrong way. these suitcases of alcohol went in. but i think the police should just do their job. they stop their they should stop painting their cars, colours, stop doing

cars, lgbtq colours, stop doing the stop policing the macarena, stop policing thought , get the macarena, stop policing thought, get on the the macarena, stop policing thought , get on the streets and thought, get on the streets and deal with proper crime. i do find it fascinating that everyone seems to be talking about each other, but about billing each other, but your .member your average .member of the pubuc your average .member of the public being deeply public that is being deeply disrupted at moment in time, whether it's your parents, you're a parent, you've got your kids at school. we can't go to work if you're a commuter. yeah. what about us being able to bill for our inconvenience? i always say serious, but i'm with say i'm serious, but i'm with you. you serious. you. i'm you very serious. because ultimately innocent you. i'm you very serious. because lofmately innocent you. i'm you very serious. because [of the sly innocent you. i'm you very serious. because [of the public, cent you. i'm you very serious. because [of the public, they're members of the public, they're just off just just trying to go off just trying care for their trying to care for their children. about children. what about compensating us for our loss, our lost hours? okay. of the police anywhere i think i might be deluding myself. yeah, but i think we're this program on a note of agreement between unanimity. well that's not. unanimity. yes. well that's not. wow, i said i'm going to film. i'm going to record that you never know. i could even move forward. perhaps i might even get you to do wink. go on, get you to do your wink. go on, kevin. got to you got to fix kevin. you got to you got to fix it. it doesn't work with a lazy police is going to do what i police is not going to do what i can't can't wink. i've got

can't do. i can't wink. i've got glasses on. i've got a vision issue rights. is this what you guys briefly, let's guys saying? very briefly, let's finish shop. hello finish your thought shop. hello again. mcgivern again. it's aidan mcgivern here from met office. from the met office. increasingly cloudy for most of us. the next 24 hours, that us. over the next 24 hours, that cloud outbreaks of cloud bringing some outbreaks of rain but it also rain in places. but it will also bnng rain in places. but it will also bring air with it's the bring milder air with it's the air in and the randomness air coming in and the randomness of pressure west to of high pressure west to southwest , the winds and of southwest, the winds and of course at this time of year, those winds are relatively mild helped by the that a warm helped by the fact that a warm front is crossing the uk that's going bring milder spell, going to bring a milder spell, but a lot of cloud and some but also a lot of cloud and some outbreaks of rain. rain mainly focussed of focussed across parts of scotland. rain and scotland. outbreaks rain on and off the northern off through the night. northern ireland likewise few spells of ireland likewise a few spells of rain northern england. at rain into northern england. at times one or two spots couldn't be ruled out for the welshman's scenes. elsewhere scenes. but elsewhere across england, wales largely dry, albeit relatively cloudy, and for the vast majority it is a frost free, although chillier conditions in the far north—east ahead of the rain. that rain does push north—east as we start of thursday. wet weather arriving shetland and orkney. but it's across the west

highlands and the north west islands in particular will see some very soggy weather over the next 36 hours. elsewhere across the country, generally cloudy , a the country, generally cloudy, a few spots of rain across western hills and coasts, but otherwise mostly dry and mild. this west, southwest , the wind bringing southwest, the wind bringing temperatures of 10 to 13 celsius, widely up and down the country. but it does stay wet across scotland, especially later thursday, overnight, eventually the rain turns misery , some clearer conditions into the far north. it'll be a few light outbreaks of rain pushing into western parts of england, wales, northern ireland, another cloudy night across the board and as a result, frost freeze. we start off friday in fact it's right really quite mild first thing friday 9 to 10 celsius in places but it's also grey and the lowest cloud will be over northern and western hills with further outbreaks of rain crossing scotland not as heavy or as persistent on friday and into the weekend , another spell into the weekend, another spell of rain for the far. but eventually that clears to sunny

skies, albeit with chillier conditions for.

sunday good evening. it's walk out wednesday. seven trade unions on strike, including most schools closed in the uk. should the government just pay the teachers what they want? rumours of a deal , a what they want? rumours of a deal, a northern ireland deal with the european commission. would that be really good news for the province or something of a sell cry? we talk about it all the time. we never talk about failed asylums seeking crime, but that is all far too difficult. this show will about it this evening and joining me on talking points dragons den entrepreneur. rachael, what can but before all of that let's get money is with polly