sunday good evening. it's walk out wednesday. seven trade unions on strike, including most schools closed in the uk. should the government just pay the teachers what they want.7 rumours of a deal , a what they want.7 rumours of a deal, a northern ireland deal with the european commission. would that be really good news for the province or something of a sell cry.7 we for the province or something of a sell cry? we talk about it all the time. we never talk about failed asylums seeking crime, but that is all far too difficult. this show will about it this evening and joining me on talking points dragons den entrepreneur. rachael, what can but before all of that let's get money is with polly middlehurst

. nigel thank you. good evening to you. the top story on gb news tonight, hundreds of thousands of workers have been taking part today in walk out when today the uk's biggest day of industrial action in more than a decade . up action in more than a decade. up to half a million people across seven trade unions went on strike over pay jobs conditions. teachers took part in the action along with border force officials and bus and train drivers, which caused widespread travel disruption . the education travel disruption. the education minister, nick described the strikes as disruptive. it is disappointing that the eu, one of those four unions, has taken strike action today, jeopardising children's education. they've already suffered two years of interruption during the covid pandemic. so this is the last thing children need and it's the last thing parents need. so they say, look, let's talk let's continue those talks about these important issues. it's

continue those talks about these important issues . it's been important issues. it's been confirmed that four year old alice stones , who died in a dog alice stones, who died in a dog attack in milton keynes yesterday, was killed by the family pet . thames valley police family pet. thames valley police described it as a tragic and isolated incident. no arrests have been made . and have been made. and superintendent mark talbot says they are now working to establish the breed of the dog . establish the breed of the dog. it's no threat to the wider community. accordingly, no arrests have been made at this time . i can confirm that the dog time. i can confirm that the dog was a family pet and was put down by police . police at the down by police. police at the scene yesterday evening and part of the investigate action is to establish the breed of that , establish the breed of that, while our investigation takes place. there will be more officers in the area over the coming days . officers in the area over the coming days. in other news today, a failed asylum seeker from iran has been detained indefinitely for killing an 87

year old woman at her north yorkshire home. shaheen davison orange bond befriended brenda blaney and lived with her in thornton le dale. he went to strangle the pensioner and stab her in january last year. it's understood his asylum claims refused in 2017, but he couldn't be removed from the uk because there wasn't a deportation agreement in place with iran . a agreement in place with iran. a former child soldier has been locked up indefinitely after stabbing a strange ear to death in central london . 27 year old in central london. 27 year old teddy fanta from eritrea killed 60 year old stephen dempsey outside a store on oxford street in london in 2021. prosecutors say it was a ferocious, random and unprovoked attack . the court and unprovoked attack. the court heard that fanta suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and had a history of violence arriving in britain in 2014 , divisive social britain in 2014, divisive social media. andrew tate will remain

in custody for at least another month in romania , the kickboxer month in romania, the kickboxer turned social media influencer is being held on suspicion of rape and human trafficking alongside his brother tristan. today, romanian judges rejected their appeal against, their attention. andrew is best known for his controversial comments about women and was banned from major social media platforms as a result . that major social media platforms as a result. that brings us up to date with all the news on tv, onune date with all the news on tv, online and dab+ radio with gb news the people's channel, where now it's time for fresh . now it's time for fresh. good evening . it's walk out good evening. it's walk out wednesday. yes seven trade unions on the biggest day of action for over a decade . this action for over a decade. this country. funny, really when it comes to the train strikes. well they're not having much impact

because looking out of the window here in the westminster studio, lambeth bridge is clear . the traffic traffic's moving on embankment. i think what on the embankment. i think what happens now is people simply readjust. they work from home in a way they just couldn't do. when we were plagued by train strikes back in the 1990s. and i don't think there's much sympathy, frankly, for the rail workers in particular, the drivers, many of whom are out in excess of drivers, many of whom are out in excess o f £60,000 a year. our excess of £60,000 a year. our emotions are different, perhaps when it comes to nurses and others, but the really big one today the one that i want to today and the one that i want to focus on is the teachers strike. not all, but nearly all. schools in england closed today. new teachers being offered a pay deal of 9. existing teachers being offered a pay deal of 5. and yes, that is below the rate of inflation. the government insists it's. we have to get inflation down. that's why they can't match% or more, which which many unions are. of course

demanding . which many unions are. of course demanding. but our kids have suffered one hell of a lot. they've suffered terribly during lockdown . they are now paying lockdown. they are now paying the price again for what adults are doing to them. and this now are doing to them. and this now a really important time because for many people, mock exams coming up in february. gcses a—levels. just around the corner. so should . should the corner. so should. should the government just pay up? that's my question tonight. let me know your thoughts. farage gb news .uk . i just don't think they can .uk. i just don't think they can afford to. maybe they can slip another point or two, but i just don't think we can afford to. if we do, we find ourselves back in the 1970s where you start giving into one union and you have to give in all of them. yes. this cost of living crisis is a affecting everybody. i don't think we can afford to budget too much with teachers. that's view. christine kind of is head of the obvious school in skirt.

to be clear, you are a private independent school so i'm presuming . there's been no presuming. there's been no strike today. no strike for us today. no. i mean, i have a friend who's in the any you and she was she told me that the independent staff weren't balloted. so we're in school . balloted. so we're in school. you're in school. but with other schools, it was chaos because people didn't know the schools were going to be closed. whether they weren't going to be closed, we understand least 80% of we understand at least 80% of them i'll looking at them were. i'll be looking at pay them were. i'll be looking at pay grades of british teachers and comparing them to our european neighbours. we pretty much slap bang in the middle. i mean, no one goes into teaching believing it's going to be the best paid job because it never has been. it's never going to be. do our teachers have fair point in demanding inflation unked point in demanding inflation linked rises? no, they don't. i mean, the country can't do it. the country can't afford it. to start with. well, we're coming out of covid. we were propped up dunng out of covid. we were propped up during covid. and we've got to keep our heads down and

obviously, we can't afford for inflation to go any higher. i do empathise with the of living. i've got three children, the twenties. get on the twenties. they can't get on the housing know, is housing ladder. you know, it is difficult i think especially difficult and i think especially young need be young teachers need to be recognised with their pay , which recognised with their pay, which to some extent they've done. in the new teachers are getting a 9% rise and that's good because we need to attract people into the profession as well. i mean, we've got a recruitment crisis, as you know , and if you look, we as you know, and if you look, we only have 27,000 maths specialists in the country for 10 million children of secondary school age. so i think that's a ratio of somewhere about 1 to 4 and 75. if my maths is good, but it better be and i'm a music teacher and you know , so many teacher and you know, so many children have a maths specialist in front of them, so we've really got to do something to attract people into the but good maths graduates . why are they maths graduates. why are they going that where the money is going that go where the money is of yeah. mean i fully of course. yeah. i mean i fully understand what are the understand that what are the arguments is look teachers don't get paid a huge amount but they fantastic holidays compared the

rest the working population. rest of the working population. teachers by teachers always respond by saying, to work saying, no, we have to work dunng saying, no, we have to work during holidays. how do you during the holidays. how do you assess the truth of that? it's somewhere in between, you know, it's not as if we can clock off from start summer holidays from start the summer holidays and go. know, there's and off we go. you know, there's and off we go. you know, there's a work to do, a lot of a lot of work to do, a lot of planning do as well. but planning to do as well. but actually i was reading a talking europe as well. we actually have one the legal one of the lowest legal requirements of time that we have in school europe. have to be in school in europe. so do have quite a so we really do have quite a good but it's as brilliant good deal. but it's as brilliant what pointing out. we don't what it's pointing out. we don't get the 15, 16 weeks holiday. we to yeah. all right to work. yeah. okay. all right yeah. not four yeah. clearly it's not four months year off, but it's months a year off, but it's still pretty good, think still pretty good, i think compared other compared to many other professions. absolutely. and it's reasons. it's good for various reasons. you i'm a a mum of you know, i'm a i'm a mum of three children. it suited me when i, know, a fantastic when i, you know, a fantastic profession. could be my profession. i could be with my children have work life children and have that work life balance . so it is a really good balance. so it is a really good profession to be into. you profession to be into. when you look at eu and these look at the eu and these strikes, do see much of a political element to it. i think that what we see is i mean, i remember the 1970s, you know, i

remember the 1970s, you know, i remember these strikes, you know, and there is always a political element . and they we political element. and they we shouldn't have been out on strike. the children need to be in school how damage has in school. how much damage has lockdown kids a huge lockdown done? our kids a huge amount. i think last time we spoke, i was telling you about, you the mother you know, the mother of children, think 900,000 children, i think was 900,000 that have access to a that didn't have access to a device the internet. these device or the internet. so these children be back in children need to be back in school. seeing younger school. we're seeing younger children with development issues. times you issues. you know, times you latest basic development reading, writing children back who they might have gone when they were going to parties where. they would probably go bowling and have pizza bowling and have a pizza afterwards. in parties , afterwards. another in parties, young parties. i think you young adult parties. i think you know, with this they haven't know, i'm with this they haven't had the time socialise and had the time to socialise and grow . some would grow up properly. some would say, christine, you're being unsympathetic towards our teachers who you know, teachers who are you know, you're asking them middle salary earners to, you know, bear the brunt of the cost of crisis. why a lot more sympathetic towards them? not that i'm more them? it's not that i'm more sympathetic, but i'm actually you know, i can see the problem the country's got at moment, the country's got at the moment, you and we're all in it

you know, and we're all in it together, are, know, for together, all are, you know, for the we probably just can't the sake we probably just can't keep for a little keep our heads down for a little while longer. inflation while longer. let inflation come down, interest rates down, let the interest rates come down. let's try and get the younger people where they should younger people where they should you not being you know, i'm not being unsympathetic. totally unsympathetic. i'm totally empathetic. but the country's in a the moment. a bit of a state at the moment. it's its. christine cut off it's at its. christine cut off thank you for joining it's at its. christine cut off thank you forjoining now it's at its. christine cut off thank you for joining now this is very interesting we learnt that the firefighters are to go on strike i was really, on strike and i was really, really get this so really fascinated to get this so hertfordshire services . hertfordshire fire services. want to make sure there is some emergency you know i guess it what they're actually going to do here this is this is really worth thinking about they are offering up . worth thinking about they are offering up . £1,000 if offering up. £1,000 if firefighters themselves available during the strike. now you know you'll be on for no more than. a maximum 24 hour consecutive. but if you are asked to provide cover for hour in that 24 hour period , you'll in that 24 hour period, you'll be paid . a £1,000 lump sum . i

be paid. a £1,000 lump sum. i would suggest that if you want a break, strikes people £1,000 to turn up for work could be an hours turn up for work could be an hour's work is a pretty way of breaking those strikes whether something that's an outrageous waste of money i don't know but i would have thought actually see actually hertfordshire fire service are doing the right thing. they're making sure there is at least some emergency fire cover and we'll see this story will end at some point in the next few months and we'll see what happens to the government's demanding minimum levels of service across are vital and life saving sectors. let's see what happens with all of that. it's got another big headache for rishi sunak. now you know, we've we've got the response that has come in from the fire service and you know, they're basically saying that it is absolutely , you know, their job. absolutely, you know, their job. they must secure cover from

fully qualified firefighters to deal with incidents during penods deal with incidents during periods of strike action. it's called a resilience plan , and called a resilience plan, and that's what they're doing. i don't think they're wrong to do it whether don't think they're wrong to do it whethe r £1,000 for what could it whether £1,000 for what could be just an hour's work is too much. maybe we can argue around the houses, but we surely folks, we have have a minimum level of cover in all of our vital services . i cover in all of our vital services. i very much cover in all of our vital services . i very much hope that services. i very much hope that does become law . in a moment, does become law. in a moment, the mood music is changing . the mood music is changing. northern ireland. we're hearing nice words from ursula von der leyen from the commission that a deal could be close. is this good news or could it be a further betrayal of the province

soi so i asked you, should the government just pay and settle

these strikes of your . reactions these strikes of your. reactions coming in? one viewer says yes to the ones who've been five days average a week in the office over the past months. although everyone worked from home these days sean . no, no, home these days sean. no, no, no. one viewer says pay up . who no. one viewer says pay up. who knows? the government should at least negotiate seriously , what least negotiate seriously, what are the consistent criticisms as being government has not been negotiating enough? i'm not sure that's true any more , ian says. that's true any more, ian says. could be afforded or sustainable. well, that's very much the argument is being put out by rishi and the cabinet. and finally another says, no, we shouldn't negotiate with communists these pathetic strikes, only cause chaos for ordinary people. well communists ordinary people. well communists or not, i tell you what, there is doubt quite a strong political link behind many of these strikes . now, we've been these strikes. now, we've been discussing this week , three discussing this week, three years since we left the european union. i talked about the joyous

scenes in parliament. my disappointment that not enough of that has been delivered, but one part of the province , one one part of the province, one part of the country. sorry, that wasn't really celebrating very much on that particular evening was of northern ireland, who felt been ditched, who felt they'd been betrayed who felt bofis they'd been betrayed who felt boris johnson, frankly hadn't told them the truth . member of told them the truth. member of parliament and paisley joins me . you were a passionate brexiteer, but wasn't a big night for you, was it? no it was a cover of us disappointment because north arm was set to the side. we got the deal, which everyone didn't want. everyone else didn't want. and the kingdom the united kingdom and the united free from the united kingdom got free from the of unfortunately , of europe. and unfortunately, that has had a debilitating on our economy . that's had our economy. that's had a debilitating effect on the ability to do trade within the uk. it's not right that there's and goods from gb to northern ireland or vice versa that's just literally a border in the irish sea and that's what's been created and some of the rules

and regulations i heard the other day that the shipments going from stranraer to northern ireland, the pallets have to be deep cleansed . a rule that deep cleansed. a rule that appues deep cleansed. a rule that applies to importing bananas from countries that have got drunk use. i mean, this of these barriers are real . they are barriers are real. they are absolutely and are absolutely real. and they are and impediment to our economic success need economic success and we need economic success. and of course, a lot of it is insulting. mean you've it is insulting. i mean you've mentioned pilots. you mentioned the pilots. if you try import flowers plants from gb import flowers or plants from gb to northern and they it's to northern and they say it's contaminated british soil . contaminated with british soil. yeah i thought that's insulting. yeah i thought that's insulting. yeah and that's just not right. i mean, i through the checklist, if were send something if you were to send me something from company to northland from your company to northland you do about 15 you would have to do about 15 different checklists to together to that's going to persuade to make that's going to persuade you to do your it also makes it do business it's just not right. and the whole premise, mr. barnier, from very beginning barnier, from the very beginning and fein going in and i watched sinn fein going in and i watched sinn fein going in and out of his office, he was very close them all the way through. the good through. was that the good friday agreement to be friday agreement had to be protected at the protected it either at the imposition of a hard border.

northern ireland would break it on the opposite of undermined the belfast agreement made the belfast agreement that made the belfast agreement that made the institutions which are the institutions of which are from agreement all from the belfast agreement all going certainly interrupt going up. certainly i interrupt you just explain how have you just to explain how have they undermined , in your view, they undermined, in your view, they undermined, in your view, the well, have to the belfast? well, you have to have northern call have something the northern call consensus. to consensus. we have to try to essentially be and a half essentially be two and a half tribes . there consensus tribes. there must be consensus between those tribes to govern ireland. and one side is upset. the process doesn't work. and we have unionists , the entire body have unionists, the entire body of the unionist politic upset and said disadvantaged and treated . we're upset about the treated. we're upset about the constitutional position that we're not in and we us to change and that is destabilised the political operation in northern ireland and has led to the collapse of the assembly. you can't protocol on power the government , europe if they want government, europe if they want the belfast agreement , take away the belfast agreement, take away the belfast agreement, take away the protocol , our problem and the protocol, our problem and then you will restore power sharing . now on the protocol. sharing. now on the protocol. and i think now we all understand the deep upset of

unionists. as i say a border within your own country for goodsis within your own country for goods is clearly unacceptable to that community in its entirety and i'm quite sure there are plenty of the catholic side of the argument try to do business who are also deeply frustrated of course and business people just want to do business. they don't want this political thing hanging over them. you know, it's, the businesses it's, you know, the businesses don't as identities. they don't trade as identities. they treat us as commodities as as you well know, as a commodity trader yourself. but we've got to get off , but thing to get off, too. but the thing that really me the most that really annoys me the most is up the and people is i'm up the street and people say, well, but you guys have the best of both worlds. don't you kind this we had the kind of say, this if we had the best both worlds, out best of both worlds, be out there campaigning this there campaigning for this saying brilliant for saying this is brilliant for northern ireland. i care about northern, but northern businesses, want them businesses, i want them to be successful, going successful, but i'm not going to tell lie and. say this is tell them a lie and. say this is wonderful for you when. it is not wonderful. if it was not wonderful. but if it was wonderful, be prepared wonderful, i'd be prepared to sell but may be some sell it. but there may be some good the delightful good news. you the delightful commission president, ursula von de lyon. yeah. she has talked

about constructive talks and the mood music coming out of the uk government is similar now the times have really charged ahead this and they are suggesting that part of the compromise would be that there would be for goods going from the mainland into northern ireland, there'd be a red channel. yeah, that's for goods . would then be trans for goods. would then be trans shipped into the republic or elsewhere. an agreement . same elsewhere. an agreement. same for products that. go straight into northern ireland. is that feasible? well first of all, the and the and gb would still have to do all of the same checks on the computer and stuff to go through of the rigmarole to put it the green channel. it's not the restoration of business as was and 2019, 2020. it is still having . but the idea that the having. but the idea that the green channel would mean fewer checks. yes, but excuse me, fewer checks means dropping it from maybe 15 to 12 checks. when there's when there should be no checks on goods coming from gb

to the. would you to have checks go in from london to say no i'd be unacceptable . well it's be unacceptable. well it's unacceptable to send them from derby checks from derby to northern i know this doesn't suit and going to be a compromise on the european court of justice i think that's what i call a kite flight that's an attempt by officials to say can bounce people into some thinking they're going to get something really positive. i would like to know the argument is that the ecj and the european court of justice in luxembourg would only intervene if courts in northern ireland referred cases to them. well, i understand there was significant pushback from europe today on that on that they were very that they'd been cast in a frame that they had compromised on the sovereignty of europe . on the sovereignty of europe. well, the sovereignty of northern ireland. they've been prepared to walk all over that on the sovereignty of the uk rights and northern irish have been walked over that. i think that europe if they want this to

work they've got to sit down on either craft a proper deal with the united kingdom government this or the british government has got to stand and put in place its own protocol bill which me both know is on which you and me both know is on a drawer somewhere at the bottom of parliament needs to be of parliament that needs to be pulled put back the pulled out and put back on the table work, but it's table if doesn't work, but it's not acceptable to unionists not acceptable to the unionists and community and i have to say, chatting with you briefly, thinking it through it doesn't sound very acceptable at. all . sound very acceptable at. all. how do we how do we have normality with a part of the united kingdom in terms of the trade, of trade, of goods without hard border on the island of ireland? well we need the european community to recognise that northern ireland as, part of the united kingdom , as, part of the united kingdom, that was part of the united kingdom. we therefore do not have to do their job and our have to do theirjob and our territory. the united left, the eu . now if the european union

eu. now if the european union doesn't trust the republic of ireland to guard own borders, then they have to find some other way of protecting themselves . but other way of protecting themselves. but i other way of protecting themselves . but i would have themselves. but i would have thought that could be able, thought that we could be able, after of good membership after years of good membership trust, each as good trust, each other as good neighbours. yes. and the idea that would sell inferior goods from northern ireland. well, the issue is about smuggling really know europe says well you might smuggle own goods into the eu , smuggle own goods into the eu, the eu territory, the republic might smuggle or engage entity kingdom. this is about watching each other on mutually assuring each other on mutually assuring each other's possession. that's what really should be done as mature nations . well, you know mature nations. well, you know what? before all of this on, you know, either side of a failed the coupe of the republic on one side, northern on all the other , different tax rates, different duties, different corporation , duties, different corporation, different currency and what i'm pretty well at went very very well on people accept of that but of course the moment like what happens if you sent me

goods to northern ireland and you send that through the repubuc you send that through the republic of ireland? not only do i republic of ireland? not only do l pay republic of ireland? not only do i pay vat in the i have to pay my vat in the united, i then get one of these. nigel a bill from the republic of ireland. yeah charging me vat. yeah in the european union. yeah, it's . this is not working. yeah, it's. this is not working. well please fix it. they're trying to get some sort of compromise before the anniversary, the belfast agreement. going agreement. i think they're going to paisley, thank to struggle. ian paisley, thank you much indeed. we you very much indeed. next, we debate subject . debate a forbidden subject. you're not allowed to discuss it. raised, of it. it never gets raised, of course, house of commons course, in the house of commons or the other media channels. or by the other media channels. we're going talk about crime, we're going to talk about crime, not just out on parole, not just those out on parole, committing , which serious committing, which is serious enough being discussed, enough and is being discussed, but failed asylum seekers committing in some cases heinous when they really ought to have deported all that in a couple deported all of that in a couple of minutes .

now, of course, the leader of

his majesty's loyal opposition, sir keir starmer, was, of course the chief prosecutor in this country. so crime is an area that he feels he can speak about with great authority and actually often in the house of commons, he does and he's raised a very and very valid point about people out of prison early on probation. and his point, three murders or sex attacks are carried out every week by criminals on probation. he is right to raise this issue and he's right to ask how the probation service is being run. that doesn't necessarily mean, folks, that a labour government would do it better, but he's right to ask these questions. the question that he will never ask and i say this because within the last 24 hours a failed asylum seeker has been convicted . the murder of an 87 convicted. the murder of an 87 year old woman. somebody had actually given him shelter in

her home, kissed and never raises issues like that. and in fact, i've found that if you talk about those that have come into this country via the channelin into this country via the channel in back of lorries and crimes they commit whether they've been granted leave to remain or more particularly if they failed their asylum claims not been deported. it's one of those taboo subjects you're just not supposed to discuss in polite society. but here on the horror show at gb news, we do not let things like that. worriers out, all out. memmott chairman of migration watch and you're familiar with finding sometimes these arguments are very difficult to permeate . what very difficult to permeate. what is the situation in terms of those let's begin with the most really vivid , awful cases those really vivid, awful cases those that come here illegally fail their asylum claim . we're not their asylum claim. we're not deporting them away or not in

sufficient numbers. we're not and particularly those who claim to be children, however old they look, and was the case of the one gene up to rahim's i that we heard about last was it who had actually murdered two people. he was convicted on drugs charges , was convicted on drugs charges, and yet he was able to come here, claim he was 14 years of age and it took two years to establish that he was nothing like that. he actually an adult. that was the bournemouth murder wasn't that was the bournemouth murder. that happens time and, time again. what we've got in place at the moment is this web really of rules and obstacles and laws in some cases which prevent people on acting even on common. i mean, this this guy had two rooms, 14 years of age. he said it clearly looked a lot older . the border officials said

older. the border officials said you're older. and yet they couldn't act on common sense. thatis couldn't act on common sense. that is wrong . that is that is wrong. that is absolutely wrong. that happens time and time. absolutely wrong. that happens time and time . of. absolutely wrong. that happens time and time . of . the 3700, time and time. of. the 3700, i think , or thereabouts, people think, or thereabouts, people who were to september last year where the age contested over half of them were shown to be adults , not children at all. how adults, not children at all. how many of those are removed ? so many of those are removed? so the absconding , i mean the absconding, i mean parliament last week was full of saying it's a disgrace that all these children have disappeared from hotels in brighton and hove one particular hotspot for this and in some cases i've doubt children have been taken out of those homes. but actually the likelihood is that out that half them actually weren't children at all. well certainly those whose cases considered and were resolved, that's what the fact was that over half of them were

fact adults, not in addition to, that those who are released into the community with the electronic tagging , you know electronic tagging, you know that last year i think something like two thirds of them had either tampered or remove those tags. either tampered or remove those tags . i've seen it on tick tock, tags. i've seen it on tick tock, tick tock . i'm showing you how tick tock. i'm showing you how to cut them off on tick tock. when it comes to crime , crime do when it comes to crime, crime do have any idea of the scale of this ? do we have any outside the this? do we have any outside the home? from time to time, we'll issue or fact we pick it up in newspapers and reports in court . but the home office will not say so many people were allowed to stay here, were not granted asylum, weren't . and that went asylum, weren't. and that went on commit heinous. asylum, weren't. and that went on commit heinous . we had on commit heinous. we had a cursory look last december at the press and some of the cases

that had been thrown up and we found just like that something . found just like that something. like 16, 15, 16 of these sort of cases where people who had come here that sought asylum had been denied it were never removed and went on to commit. he describes, as you put it , went on to commit. he describes, as you put it, an absolute disgrace. keep up good work, keep collating it. we will keep debating it and keep talking about it. now, boris johnson is, of course, now seeking big global role in the world. and i think in what he says about vladimir putin and the threat that he puts himself now as a modern day kind of churchill, you know, as churchill did warning about and the, he is doing with putin and russia . and doing with putin and russia. and he's been over in america . he's he's been over in america. he's pushing the line that we should allow ukraine to join pretty much immediately. he's pushing malign that we should send them whatever weapons they want, whatever weapons they want, whatever the cost may be he made the today there's no point

having tanks and you know weapons on salisbury plain when they could in ukraine. he's also talking about ukraine taking back all of the territory, which of course would include crimea . of course would include crimea. some would say he's becoming the warmonger in chief. others would say he's morally doing the right thing. but here he was on fox news in america last night when suddenly my name seemed to come up, put something in a british documentary about putin saying that you felt that he was threatening you at one of the conversations you had about i could fire a missile, essentially to take you out. yeah the russians pushed back on that characterise ation very hard . some of your own hard. some of your own countrymen raised questions about it. here's nigel on our air the other day as ever. boris johnson you know lots of personality, lots of colour , personality, lots of colour, good story . but when it personality, lots of colour, good story. but when it comes to facts , when it comes to detail, facts, when it comes to detail, when comes to the absolute truth

, i think boris johnson's relationship with those things is somewhat loose, to put it mildly . yeah, well, i wanted to mildly. yeah, well, i wanted to get you to respond to that directly . well, look, i think directly. well, look, i think the kremlin and i don't know if nigel's speaking for the kremlin , but the kremlin , a fabled for , but the kremlin, a fabled for their that now , there's no doubt their that now, there's no doubt about it. the kremlin are very very good at industrial production of lies. but boris johnson not speaking for the kremlin that is absolutely beneath contempt below the belt . surely you are a better person than that, but we get this, of course, from boris johnson. we get this from mr. verhofstadt . get this from mr. verhofstadt. anybody, anybody that makes any comment, that criticises them on the international stage is awesome . basically a supporter awesome. basically a supporter or spokesman of woman for vladimir putin, this is ridiculous. and honestly, i think that the narrative that johnson now putting out there is really potentially very, very

dangerous indeed. none of us condone what putin has done in ukraine over the course of the last. ukraine over the course of the last . but there are many of us last. but there are many of us that think we've made some huge geopolitics mistakes in that region . and within 24 hours, region. and within 24 hours, you've got johnson saying they must join nato , you've got must join nato, you've got verhofstadt saying they must join eu. i suggest we all a long, cold, hard think before getting ourselves more deeply embroiled in war that will be bigger, more have more cost more casualties than anything we endured in 20 years in afghanistan . in a moment, it's afghanistan. in a moment, it's time for talking points. i have got a dragon's den coming in the chair. but she whether be put under as much pressure as she was by theo faces those years ago . rachel what can joins me in ago. rachel what can joins me in just a minute.

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it's that time of the day the gb news tavern has been declared open. it is time for talking pints i'm joined by entrepreneur rachel watkin rachel. welcome to the program . is now say that you

the program. is now say that you had a tough probably the modern would be disadvantaged background would be something of an understatement wouldn't it. probably would , yes. i mean, it probably would, yes. i mean, it was in care for a bit and i was parents that were not particularly responsible and i read those parts of your background that i thought was really interesting. most people , most people who come from that very difficult environment also drop out of school completely , drop out of school completely, don't finish any exams , but you don't finish any exams, but you seem to go the other way and actually get through your a—levels and go on to university. what was that drive? pure really a black. it and i guessi pure really a black. it and i guess i was really lucky because my parents were complete illusionists. i was in care from about eight months old to three years old and i don't remember it . i don't remember at all. i

it. i don't remember at all. i just sort of coming back home to the parents no idea why they returned us and thinking , well, returned us and thinking, well, this isn't great, but you just get on with it, you know, because we never what we were walking into at home or what was going to happen were brought up by three parents. the stepfather who then had a sex change and became a woman . very odd became a woman. very odd environment, but my parents were delusional, so every now and then they'd say, oh, we've got lots of money, which they didn't. and then us to private school or boarding school . so school or boarding school. so yeah. school or boarding school. so yeah . so yeah, they didn't have yeah. so yeah, they didn't have any money for food or clothes or any money for food or clothes or a uniform or anything normal, but then you'd, you'd get a taste of, of education and, and i liked learning. what do you do ? because you went on to university and you did business studies at university ? i did. so studies at university? i did. so i sort of, you know , what i hear i sort of, you know, what i hear business studies, university. i ask myself , is business studies, university. i ask myself, is this business studies, university. i ask myself , is this really

ask myself, is this really something that is going to help people? but i guess when it comes to getting graduate jobs at big companies probably does make a difference. it it probably does i mean, the degree itself i've got to say i didn't go to university a lot. i was taking drugs , doing everything. taking drugs, doing everything. and we're not recommending this for, you know, recommending it at no dating . hell's angel at all. no dating. hell's angel . but somehow managed to come out with a21, which was great and yes, business says wanted graduates you see mean if you going to go to the corporate world these days you need a degree yes i mean there's almost no debate question about that . no debate question about that. you know, in my time . but i left you know, in my time. but i left school and went to work in the city of london. it didn't matter. yeah, but now it would to go to work, you know, work for those big firms. but you know, you've become an entrepreneur in what you've done actually a lot of entrepreneurs don't need that university education. do they know ? no. and education. do they know? no. and actually in many ways, does a

university degree help you, apart from opening the initial door? because you know, if you're a youngster, you've missed out three years of the real world, you know, so the pros and cons to both. yeah. now you worked the corporate world for a bit. john lewis, other companies like that. i did some interesting it interesting things. what is it that says to rachel? what can i do not want to climb the greasy pole. i don't want to be a director partner by 35. i want to take a huge punt and go and do my own . i fell off the greasy do my own. i fell off the greasy pole was and i got very sick i had an appendix operation in the year 2000 got very sick . it went year 2000 got very sick. it went wrong and it took me four years to be well enough to work time . to be well enough to work time. in that time i lost everything. in that time i lost everything. i lost house, i lost my partner car job and when you hit rock bottom, you kind of don't have anywhere else to go . i started anywhere else to go. i started to rebuild my strength and by

2006, you know, i was well enough to sort of work , you enough to sort of work, you know, a few hours a day or whatever. couldn't find any packaging for a fair trade company that i'd up. right. so i thought, you know what, i'll do it myself now. packaging, we're all used to buying things that are wrapped in layer after layer of plastic stick and cardboard and goodness knows what else. and i guess he was sort of thinking in your entrepreneurial mind of getting into recycled packaging. you were pretty early with way. i was so early and it was just finding something that matched the jewellery , but i matched the jewellery, but i could buy in small quantities because all of the manufacturers said, well, we can do it for you, but it's a thousand units of each size in colour scale is the problem. yeah, and it's 10 to 12 weeks you know, and they were sending me quotes the were sending me quotes in the post two thousand and post this is two thousand and seven, know, everybody else seven, you know, everybody else is emailing . seven, you know, everybody else is emailing. heidi seven, you know, everybody else is emailing . heidi was the is emailing. heidi box was the name the tiny box yet name of the tiny box yet the company and. i thought that i

could do it part time don't tell the dragons that because i never admitted going of admitted to that we're going of that. so you got an idea of that. yeah so you got an idea of what you want to do but you've got to raise and capital. yeah and so you take very brave and bold step of going on to dragon's den to explain what you're going to do . and you were you're going to do. and you were there with, with robin . he was there with, with robin. he was your business partner at the time. yeah and we're going to play time. yeah and we're going to play clip now from dragon's play a clip now from dragon's den back in 2008. and it was a big moment . den back in 2008. and it was a big moment. rachel's den back in 2008. and it was a big moment . rachel's life big moment. rachel's life diversify , got to probably diversify, got to probably compromise because if you want to achieve and then you've got to achieve and then you've got to look at a wider picture . to look at a wider picture. yeah. to achieve it . so we need yeah. to achieve it. so we need that commitment . yeah. to achieve it. so we need that commitment. i'd be happy to commit to that . i mean . for 30 commit to that. i mean. for 30 on the basis of 20. yes, please . we'll take him

on the basis of 20. yes, please .we'll take him . on the basis of 20. yes, please . we'll take him . yeah, it's .we'll take him. yeah, it's good. welcome . christian and good. welcome. christian and rachel have done it and proved that while dragon is still in, there's always for an entrepreneur . well, what i'm entrepreneur. well, what i'm oven entrepreneur. well, what i'm over. what about, rachel, i mean , you know, when, say, profit is as mean, you sort of get. yes. plays, guess plays play. i mean, i was that incredibly nerve wracking thing today. it wasn't as nerve wracking as i thought it was going to be because i thought there was no chance. i really know i had nothing patentable , no trading history. patentable, no trading history. i nothing about packaging. i knew nothing about packaging. so i thought , yeah, there was so i thought, yeah, there was less than no chance but a great marketing advertising, you know. and peter both came in and that was i mean, you gave away 40% of the equity know of the company, but that gave the cash get set up and get moving. i think duncan by the time was a bit cussing about you. oh he was terrific . but that's dragons den terrific. but that's dragons den . i mean, you've got a hold there. you're going to get some

abuse. and how big a difference did that make to your life? that you know, what it did was it gave me? instant credibility, more anything else? you know, people to talking to you, people to start talking to you, whereas when you're a start up it's really hard to get those doors opened and suddenly having that credibility behind me got the doors opening . and how did the doors opening. and how did that relationship with those dragons work? so we had a meeting six weeks after it was aired . so after after the aired. so after after the filming and tore my business to pieces and the pricing , pieces and the pricing, branding, everything else and at the end of the meeting, they said, we're going to you the money and leave you to run the business because you know what you're doing and fantastic. well, i sat there thinking, i don't know what i'm doing . don't know what i'm doing. typical imposter syndrome. but they said , go and get on with they said, go and get on with it. there's the cash, go and get on with it. so when you've done that and you've, you know, you've that entrepreneur of you've been that entrepreneur of the , the amazing things

the year, the amazing things you've done, doing some you've done, you're doing some clothing sustain wool clothing brands now sustain wool clothing brands now sustain wool clothing all of that . and on clothing and all of that. and on the of your life is a the face of it, your life is a mega, mega success, but you have some terrible challenges some terrible health challenges . have, yes. i've . well, you. i have, yes. i've had five operations in the last six years. i mean , if going to six years. i mean, if going to go for it, you know, you've got to do it in style. yeah. and unfortunately, cancer three times and a tumour my parathyroid and yes i had a double mastectomy in december six weeks ago six weeks ago six weeks ago because luckily for me the cancer was caught early again and to avoid any possibility of spreading or coming back, our family has a genetic disorder. so i think i had like a 70 to 90% chance of it recurring. so yes you i see i have a rosy things . look there have a rosy things. look there are always challenges in life and you've what? goodness me, been through the most challenge. but i want say fantastic. but i want to say fantastic. i love that moment on dragon's day

and it like no i mean , you were and it like no i mean, you were happy with your hair but but it was awful. but but that actually is why it was a great programme. yeah. because it jennie bond he did people you get did help people like you get onto entrepreneurial ladder did help people like you get onto wellntrepreneurial ladder did help people like you get onto well and»reneurial ladder did help people like you get onto well and izneurial ladder did help people like you get onto well and i wishial ladder did help people like you get onto well and i wish you adder did help people like you get onto well and i wish you well to do well and i wish you well with everything and thank you for joining me. thank you very much. thank rachel . okay we much. thank you, rachel. okay we are now onto barrage . the are now onto barrage. the barrage, will you send your questions there? i've got a few seconds with you . what have we seconds with you. what have we got today? bobby asks ? is the got today? bobby asks? is the country now in the control of left wing unions? what it certainly was back in the 1970s, there's little debate about that. and it it turned out later, actually, that some of them did have direct connections with the kremlin . there is, of with the kremlin. there is, of course, a to many of these unions , it's there certainly unions, it's there certainly they were teaching union the an eu of course there are those in

unions that will always want to bnng unions that will always want to bring down conservative governments. but by the same token, conservative governments have to reasonable and to have to appear reasonable and to negotiate . the country is not in negotiate. the country is not in the control of left wing unions. i'm to say. but if jeremy corbyn had become prime minister, that may have been very, very different indeed. richard asks me will flip flop ? starmer me will flip flop? starmer returns to europe by stealth when he sweeps to victory with a bofis when he sweeps to victory with a boris size budget pretty well. richard you can never tell in politics what will happen. it's a very topsy turvy world, but i do think that trust, faith and confidence in the conservative party is broken . for millions of party is broken. for millions of people. it's been like a relationship. once it's gone, it doesn't come. so stop. but one of the big majority, david lammy course, is now the shadow foreign. he's the man that said the erg, the european research group are like. i mean, he is an absolute full on remainer. he won't take a straight back into

the european union. there's no prospect of that. politically, that would be impossible . that would be impossible. millions of labour and potentially labour voters. but he'll keep us tightly aligned to single market rules and i is free of market rules as they are. i want lots and lots of people out. rachel here. i want entrepreneurs out there . i want entrepreneurs out there. i want to lift the burden of regulation off their backs. and that's what what i think brexit should be doing for businessmen and business women in this country. enough though for me i but i am back with you tomorrow at pm. i'll be in this chair. but for now i'm going to hand you over to mark dolan . nigel, thank you to mark dolan. nigel, thank you for a brilliant show, a very busy programme . coming up, do busy programme. coming up, do you back the striking workers? that's the topic of our text poll and my opinion i'm talking about we'll get reaction to a possible brexit breakthrough in relation to these northern ireland protocol with jacob rees—mogg live in the studio plus kelvin mackenzie much more.

we'll see you in a couple of minutes. first, here's the weather. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. increasingly for most of us over the next 24 hours, that cloud bringing some outbreaks of rain in places. but it will also bnng rain in places. but it will also bring milder air with its the air coming in an area of high pressure west to southwest the winds . and of course this time winds. and of course this time of year those winds are relatively mild helped by the fact that a warm front is crossing the uk . that's going to crossing the uk. that's going to bnng crossing the uk. that's going to bring spell. also bring a milder spell. also a lot of some outbreaks of of cloud and some outbreaks of rain. the rain mainly focussed across parts of scotland. outbreaks rain and off through the night. northern ireland likewise a spells of rain likewise a few spells of rain into northern england at times one or two spots couldn't be ruled for the mountains. but ruled out for the mountains. but elsewhere, england, elsewhere, across england, in wales, albeit wales, largely dry, albeit cloudy, and for the vast majority it is a frost free. although chillier conditions in the far north—east ahead of the that rain does push north—east as we start on thursday . wet as we start on thursday. wet weather arriving into shetland and but it's persisting across the west highlands and the

north—west highlands in particular will see some very soggy weather over the next 36 hours. elsewhere across country, generally cloudy , a few spots of generally cloudy, a few spots of rain across western hills and coasts, but otherwise mostly dry and mild. this west, southwest wind bringing temperatures of 10 to 13 celsius, widely up and down the country. but it does stay wet across scotland, especially later thursday. overnight eventually the rain turns more showery in some clearer conditions into the far north, but also be a few light. outbreaks of rain pushing into western parts of england, wales northern ireland, another cloudy night across the board and as a result, frost free. as we start friday. in fact, it's right ready, quite mild. first thing friday 9 to 10 celsius in places but also grey and the lowest cloud will be over northern and western hills with further outbreaks of rain crossing scotland not as heavy or as persistent on and into the weekend, another spell of rain for the far north. eventually that clears to sunniest guys,

albeit with chillier conditions