hello there. it's just gonna take some michelle dewberry . and take some michelle dewberry. and this is dewbs & co, the show this is dewbs& co, the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got us talking today. now, there seems to be a lot of gearing up. doesn't is preparation for the next general action the parties selecting their going their candidates who are going to public to to face the general public to represent them. well, it's formed a conversation. so it has in london erm about whether or not jeremy corbyn should be allowed stand. so represent allowed to stand. so represent labourin allowed to stand. so represent labour in the next general election. some are saying they need him now, otherwise basically wipe the floor with them all as an independ anyway. others saying no way, brown others are saying no way, brown corbyn is bad for brand labour, which is a they tell me and firefighters that the votes cast is all done dusted. they will currently be going on strike if they don't get a pay rise. i have to say , i do not believe have to say, i do not believe that firefighters should be able to even go on strike in this country. am i wrong? do you

wholeheartedly support them in their quest for more dosh ? if it their quest for more dosh? if it means that fire is could be left unattended ? and should we be unattended? and should we be sending fighter jets to ukraine? according to the thorn in rishi sunak's side of boris johnson. yes we should. do you agree with him and yes, it is friday, which means i want to end my show with it. something a little bit different tonight. do not worry. it's not a striptease. it's tea time after all. but it was something a little bit different. full nonetheless. but for now, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . good evening. latest headlines. good evening. it's 6:03. i'm karen armstrong in the gb newsroom lancashire police investigating the disappearance of a missing mother and i believe she fell into the river while nicola bailey disappeared two week ago while walking her dog . the while walking her dog. the investigation is focusing on a ten minute window that's unaccounted for. the 45 year old's phone was found on a bench

still connected to a work team's meeting with her dogs, her dog nearby. but no trace of her has been found . superintendent sally been found. superintendent sally riley confirmed officers have searched a one kilometre radius from that location and 15 kilometres of water from the river wyre to the sea . our main river wyre to the sea. our main working hypothesis is therefore is that nicola is sadly fallen into the river, that there is no third party or criminal involvement, and that this is not suspicious but a tragic case of a missing person . this is of a missing person. this is particularly important because speculation otherwise can be really distressing for the family and for nicholas children and nicola's partner, paul ansell says he's focusing on staying strong for their two daughters and hopes people will come forward with new information . every single information. every single scenario comes to a brick wall,

every single one of them, and then all we're doing is saying they're going around, around, around , going through every around, going through every scenario. and then go back to the first scenario again and do the first scenario again and do the whole thing again. and then i think it's just all day long. that's all we're doing. all we're doing. disgraced pop star gary glitter has been freed from jail after serving half of his 16 year sentence for sex offences. the 79 year old was jailed in 2015 for sexually abusing three schoolgirl girls. the sex offender who left a low security prison in dorset will now be subject to licence conditions . a man who brought conditions. a man who brought a crossbow to windsor castle with the intention of harming queen elizabeth has pleaded guilty to charges under the treason act. jaswant singh child told the protection officer he was here to kill the queen. after a break in to the castle grounds on christmas day in 2021. the 21 year old was wearing a mask and was carrying a loaded weapon with the safety card released.

the queen was in residence at the time . the royal college of the time. the royal college of nursing joined ambulance workers in wales in cancelling planned strikes for next week following new pay offers from the welsh government . rail services, government. rail services, though, have been disrupted today. train drivers are walking out for the second time this week. rmt and aslef union members are demanding better pay and better conditions , while and better conditions, while operators say there are severe delays with no trains running at all in some areas. the general secretary of aslef mcquillan says the union wants talks to continue to find a solution. what deceitfully a protocol would say let's look a payoff. for over two years that hadn't been discussed. this trade union hadnt been discussed. this trade union hadn't been through the framework agreement that we agreed with them to allow some sort of national national talks to in our franchise to take place in our franchise industry. probably set industry. and it probably set the process back months the whole process back months and they to and months. if they want to negotiate via the media, i'll tell you what i want. then you can to them. then come

tell you what i want. then you can talk to them. then come tell you what i want. then you can talk just them. then come tell you what i want. then you can talk just a|em. then come tell you what i want. then you can talk just a few then come tell you what i want. then you can talk just a few weeks:ome tell you what i want. then you can talk just a few weeks time. and talk just a few weeks time. but don't behave like that. but we don't behave like that. we behave honourably. so we'll go the talks on tuesday go back in the talks on tuesday and that trust can be and hope that trust can be rebuilt we can way rebuilt and we can find a way forward. the us secretary of state, antony blinken, has postponed trip china postponed his trip to china after balloon after a suspected spy balloon was the was tracked flying across the country . china says the balloon country. china says the balloon was fact a civilian airship was in fact a civilian airship which had deviated from its planned route. it was spotted over montana, close to a us nuclear air force base , and nuclear air force base, and blinken was to depart tonight and his visit to china, the first by a top us. diplomat for years, comes at a time of increasingly strained relations between the countries. china has issued an apology and the first 100 has closed at a record high as concerns over rising global inflation and interest rates ease.it inflation and interest rates ease. it was briefly trading at 7906 or 7906 points earlier. the highest level seen for nearly five years. it has been put down to investors hoping global inflation is easing, leading to

a stronger demand in the stock markets. it's also been supported by a drop in the pound against the dollar and an easing of covid restrictions in china . of covid restrictions in china. tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to dewbs& co . dewbs& co. thanks for that. william michelle dewberry. now i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 tonight. if you're sitting there thinking to yourself, i want to watch michelle, but i also want to go to the paul bar. i need to go get my kids or whatever it is. do not worry , because you can do not worry, because you can take us with you if you haven't already, you should listen to us on the plus you can find on the radio. plus you can find us. news. us with you us. jb news. take us with you when you friday night out. if you're out very soon. you're going out very soon. keeping company the studio keeping me company in the studio , going out. , though, they're not going out. they're talking to me about they're here talking to me about what's been going we've got what's been going on. we've got the comments. the political comments. benedick, spence and the author

are firemen and trade unionist paul evening , gents. paul embry. good evening, gents. lots of you already writing in about my outfit loses, say, michelle, please, can you start telling us where you get your clothes from a countless because i'm so tight i never throw my old clothes away. so most of my clothes are so old now. you've probably only found them at a charity shop, but i'm see charity shop, but i'm very see an eye the label they're an eye on the label they're saying showing saying saying a showing your age saying there's not even a thing. i don't think in the anymore. don't think in the uk anymore. is there's not any comments is that there's not any comments about toes outfits, which about your toes outfits, which is disappointing me really though. you though. come now, come. you enjoy. the very enjoy. we didn't do the very good because one the good point because one of the points want to reflect on points that i want to reflect on tonight thought you two tonight is i thought you two looked smart. well, that's looked very smart. well, that's very kind. made a nice seconds sign. how many days to gentlemen? aware an influx gentlemen? i aware an influx now of everyone the day of everyone across the day because out because we're both out afterwards. friday night we're going us together. we going out all of us together. we got together. so i don't know. no judgement of dewbs& co you can have, that's like. can have, that's all you like. we judge. in touch we don't judge. get in touch with your thoughts tonight. with all your thoughts tonight. so talk to you about? so what to talk to you about? labour and firefighters .

labour and corbyn firefighters. do you think they should go on strike? i've just mentioned i've got one of us at one of them sat next to me. i'm sure he'll have very strong opinions either way on also as have on that one. also as well, have a little of fun at the end a little bit of fun at the end of the programme. tonight is friday all. all that friday after all. so all of that to come push will get stuck into the labor situation and the labor party situation and because we've got because of course we've got a general election coming in general election coming up in probably year or so probably about a year or so is time, or take time, give or take a conversation that is turning to who stand and represent who should stand and represent the parties , in particular in the parties, in particular in the parties, in particular in the labour party . jeremy corbyn the labour party. jeremy corbyn remember him well. he represents all he has done for the best part of about 40 years. actually, islington north. he's lost his whip after saying that allegations of antisemitism were allegations of antisemitism were a exaggerated poll. embery i'll come to you first on this one. you are a labour member, is that right? do you think that he should be able to stand as a labour candidate in the next general election? yeah, i think he should. don't think he should. i don't think a strong enough case been made strong enough case has been made for him not to stand. frankly, i

mean, look, jeremy corbyn is a marmite figure both inside the labour movement and beyond . you labour movement and beyond. you have to recognise he led the party to its worst defeat since the 1930s, but equally is a long serving and very dedicated member of the labour party and the labour movement extremely popular for right or wrong in his constituent . so he i mean, his constituent. so he i mean, he's he's won every election. he stood in islington north by a comfortable margin. and i think the problem for the labour party really is if, if they don't allow him, if they don't restore the whip, don't allowances, then as a candidate then i think there's a very good chance he will stand as an independent and i think you'll win as an independent or defeat the labour candidate in islington north, whoever would be . see, i'm whoever that would be. see, i'm not sure because albeit he's not so sure because albeit he's got strong track record got a very strong track record is very low, is very prominent in his constituency . benedict in his constituency. benedict polls say that he thinks he would win if stood as an would win if he stood as an indie. but i think what would happen that keir starmer and happen is that keir starmer and

the activists kind the labour activists would kind of go, look, of rally around to go, look, this our chance, our this is our chance, our opportunity to get the tories out. does you like dirt? choose person over party because that could be the deciding vote against potentially against the majority potentially . i do think he should stand as an independent and give it a go if he really does back himself that is the reason that he himself is the reason why keeps getting as why he keeps getting elected as labour just the labour leader, not just the colour his. sir, is the colour of his. sir, is the labour candidate and not just the colour of his rosette. then he should back himself that he should back himself in that situation shouldn't situation and possibly shouldn't be back be petitioning to be let back into labour to do it. into the labour party to do it. because his point is because obviously his point is that wrongly rid of that he was wrongly got rid of and there was a campaign and that there was a campaign against him and he needs to be able to show that actually he can stand his own two feet can stand on his own two feet and he's riding on the and that he's not riding on the coattails. i worked 20 years coattails. i worked for 20 years in know the area in islington. i know the area really doing a really well. doing what? as a firefighter at islington fire station and jeremy corbyn used to stand the picket to come and stand on the picket line. incidentally whenever line. incidentally and whenever you company, you you were in his company, you could how popular was. could see how popular he was. i mean, got the sort of mean, he he got the sort of reception among constituents reception among his constituents that a lot are

that i guess a lot of mps are not used think. a lot of not used to think. a lot of employees would probably get quite criticism if they quite a bit of criticism if they walked their walked around their constituency. he was treated walked around their coratituency. he was treated walked around their cora bitency. he was treated walked around their cora bit of :y. he was treated walked around their cora bit of a he was treated walked around their cora bit of a hero he was treated walked around their cora bit of a hero in was treated walked around their cora bit of a hero in islington ed as a bit of a hero in islington nonh as a bit of a hero in islington north and he's got that real connection with people. whatever you of him, got that you think of him, he's got that connection with people and i suspect might be. suspect what it might be. i mean, you say you don't think he would win, but i mean, i think back to the london mayor election the labour party election when the labour party did similar ken did a similar thing with ken livingstone stopped him livingstone and they stopped him through various manoeuvres from being candidate for being the labour candidate for mayor in 2000 and they put frank dobson in as the labour candidate instead. livingstone stood as an independent and swept board because people swept the board because people felt that this was a complete stitch up and i suspect very strongly in islington north it would similar scenario . would be a similar scenario. see, you talk about corbyn, see, when you talk about corbyn, like if i was to talk about one corbyn to one of my brothers, my youngest brother actually, who loves jeremy corbyn, he would say to me, the thing with jeremy corbyn is michel, he's amazing, but you don't realise it because the media around a very success

awful smear campaign against him. yeah no, i get that. i do hear that a lot that he's jesus and that everybody's just against him. and actually all the evidence doesn't suggest that he's a particularly intelligent politician. he's just who has certain just somebody who has a certain set principles actually set of principles that actually grate core demographic in grate with a core demographic in the itself. the labour party itself. actually, might be actually, you know, he might be very his constituency very popular in his constituency , but certain constituencies do tend towards slightly different politics. i mean there are several constituency in london, several constituency in london, several on merseyside that tend to more out to return slightly more out there candidates than other places do. but actually i think keir starmer has got to look at this slightly more broadly. he really a marmite figure, as really is a marmite figure, as you say, jeremy corbyn. he's also to starmer's also a threat to keir starmer's authority sort authority if he's able to sort of say that are of say things that are potentially anti—semitic or not and with it, then that and get away with it, then that is challenge to his authority. is a challenge to his authority. keir to be able keir starmer also has to be able to around to the country to turn around to the country and not bringing you and say, i'm not bringing you a government cranks, not government of cranks, i'm not bringing who are bringing you people who are going mouthing off going to start mouthing off about when what people going to start mouthing off aboutto when what people going to start mouthing off aboutto know/hen what people going to start mouthing off aboutto know about'hat people going to start mouthing off aboutto know about ist people going to start mouthing off aboutto know about is can ople going to start mouthing off aboutto know about is can they want to know about is can they turn their electorates down? he

needs to be able do that. and needs to be able to do that. and i think if you have people like jeremy back at the jeremy corbyn back at the forefront whole forefront of the whole thing, then are to be seats then there are going to be seats that labour party to that the labour party lost to the last election, that the last general election, that a of people might a lot of people who might otherwise might go. otherwise vote labour might go. it's the same group of people. it's the same group of people. it's the same group of people. it's the group people. it's the same group of people. i didn't last time didn't vote for last time because i thought they couldn't because i thought they couldn't be trusted they're still be trusted and they're still here. know it doesn't here. and you know it doesn't matter. keir starmer says matter. the keir starmer says things changed. things have changed. corbyn still z, they're still they're x, y, z, they're still they're x, y, z, they're still there, they're still spouting i don't trust spouting off and i don't trust them necessarily to them enough, not necessarily to vote to give them my vote tory, but to give them my vote tory, but to give them my vote this time around. and i think would fair think that would be the fair enough. slightly enough. so slightly cranky candidates forward candidates might come forward for labour to turn enough voters off can hear my brother off them. i can hear my brother will he's will actually because he's travelling moment but travelling at the moment but could was watching tonight could if he was watching tonight i'd the screen i'd be shouting at the screen and he would be saying, see, this what people in the media and he would be saying, see, thisthey're: people in the media and he would be saying, see, thisthey're cool.»le in the media and he would be saying, see, thisthey're cool. jeremyie media and he would be saying, see, thisthey're cool. jeremy corbyna do. they're cool. jeremy corbyn a they allude to him to a crank or they allude to him to be in some kind of crime. he would argue things like my brother the brother would argue to the establishment, if i can use that word, pull were threatened by corbyn he's stood corbyn because he's stood to

overturn the status quo. he really change, really wanted radical change, whether nationalisation, whether it was nationalisation, whatever he was really whatever it was, he was really going to if he got in and followed his promises, was followed his promises, he was going hold of this going to get a hold of this country and change whether country and change it. whether good debate. but good or bad we can debate. but he have changed it and he would have changed it and a lot of people were fearful of that. partly that. i think that's partly true. i mean, there's no question that if you get a radical candidate from left radical candidate from the left in country who looks like in this country who looks like they power , then they might take power, then i think elements of the establishment and the media will inevitably try to do that person down make sure that that down to make sure that that doesn't they don't doesn't happen, that they don't win but equally, the idea win power. but equally, the idea that the only reason that the labour party lost so heavily in 2019 was because the media were anti corbyn. i think it's just fanciful. the labour party have been losing the working class vote in this country since 2000 and the tony blair, the trajectory was only going in one way. and the truth is, however popular, corbyn was in certain quarters amongst the demographic the young, the city based . yeah, the young, the city based. yeah, like my brother's kind of. yeah and to a certain degree, the

urban middle class and whatever the key question, i think for any labor party leader, could i go into a pub in stoke on trent and feel at home? would people room to me? would people see me as one of them now? i think i don't think corbyn could do that. i think. starmer no, i don't think. starmer i don't think some of pretends that he can though. no. the thing i don't pretending to be a man of the there to fix is the people he's there to fix is there to steady the ship. and i actually think in many ways he wasn't expecting to be doing anywhere this. when anywhere near this. well, when he given brief that fell he was given the brief that fell into he was expecting into his lap, he was expecting it be a sort of a clawing it to be a sort of a clawing back job. he's looking back job. now he's looking potentially at majority and potentially at a majority and he's oh, well, let's he's thinking, oh, well, let's not chaps, let's not ruin this now, chaps, let's not ruin this now, chaps, let's not right at the not fumble it right at the death. let's suppose point if he needs in the men, needs those people in the men, whatever, pubs of the whatever, in the pubs of the stoke and all the west stoke on trent and all the west virginia he has to appeal to those but, you know, he those people. but, you know, he doesn't have to to the doesn't have to appeal to the people on the far right. far people on the far right. the far left. because they will left. sorry, because they will probably up for probably end up going for a labour candidate there labour candidate anyway. there aren't for

aren't really alternatives for it's tories where it's not like the tories where you have every now and then you have you all the brexit party or reform and there are insurgencies. few insurgencies. you'll get a few people who go for the lib people who will go for the lib dems, not many and dems, probably not that many and they'll do that they'll probably do that tactically seats where labour tactically in seats where labour are likely the are less likely to win the average who is hard left average person who is hard left will voting will probably end up voting labour seats it labour in seats where it matters. starmer need to matters. starmer doesn't need to worry people's votes worry about those people's votes at same and i've been at the same time, and i've been at the same time, and i've been a big critic of corbynism over recent years, but the same time i not want to see a labour i do not want to see a labour party which is exclusive, fully a liberal centrist a sort of liberal centrist blairite party. think. blairite labour party. i think. i being become in that i think being become in that party helps bring party actually helps to bring about the rupture the about the rupture between the party working class. i party and the working class. i do we need look at some do think we need to look at some of elements which did of the elements which corbyn did introduce, particularly terms introduce, particularly in terms of build new of trying to build a new economic model which didn't resonate . we're going get to resonate. we're going to get to a with which which did a point with which which did resonate well right ? one resonate well in many right? one constituency, i mean, keir starmer to starmer has promising to nationalise energy nationalise the entire energy sector country. sector of this country. that doesn't as doesn't strike me as particularly blairite. that strikes wing strikes me as quite left wing i think he's talking about great british going

british energy. it's going to be this revolution. the this green revolution. and the idea bring it into state idea is to bring it into state control. there's no other way of putting that. that's the long term. don't think he's talking term. i don't think he's talking about not about nationalism. it's not using but is using that language, but that is the thing. that the national thing. that is that absolutely plan is to bring absolutely the plan is to bring it into national hands, it back into national hands, which is not necessarily sensible you at for sensible when you look at for how norway or russia, how example, norway or russia, they're energy are they're an energy industries are able provide amounts of able to provide great amounts of revenue public revenue for public public services. military services. i mean, the military it's that think it's certainly true that i think the whole of phenomenon of the whole kind of phenomenon of corbynism labour corbynism did push the labour party on economics, at least to the left , and i don't party on economics, at least to the left, and i don't think that was necessarily a bad thing because corbyn because however much corbyn didn't personality didn't resonate as a personality on the doorstep in some of the sort of traditional labour northern heartlands, midlands heartlands and whatever, some of the stuff around economics, i think in terms of, know, think in terms of, you know, a higher minimum wage closing the gap fich higher minimum wage closing the gap rich poor , more gap between rich and poor, more investment public services , investment in public services, having industrial having a proper industrial strategy , all of kind of strategy, all of this kind of stuff . i think that there was a stuff. i think that there was a big audience for that, and i think starmer is probably understood that. yeah, and that's where of that's probably where some of that's probably where some of

that programme come that policy programme has come from. agree with tony from. i tend to agree with tony benn. said, you benn. tony benn always said, you know, i said, the labour know, as i said, the labour party like bird. it needs party is like a bird. it needs two wings, it needs its right wing and it needs its left wing to fly danger areas. if to fly in the danger areas. if the right wing just simply tries to left wing and get to expel the left wing and get rid of don't think that rid of it, i don't think that that going to particularly that is going to particularly resonate well amongst working class . i think it's class communities. i think it's going divisive and going to be divisive and disruptive the labour disruptive within the labour movement it's the movement itself and it's not the sort programme you want to go sort of programme you want to go into a general with. into a general election with. and benedict, cut to the and benedict, let's cut to the chase well. corbyn he chase as well. corbyn he basically said that the reports of was basically of anti—semitism was basically hyped up a little bit, really for political reasons. and gains do you think is do you think corbyn is anti—semitic? if so, i believe it to be accidental . i don't it to be accidental. i don't think that he's some insidious , think that he's some insidious, evil person. i think this is why i say i don't actually think he's the smartest, the sharpest tool in the box. i think a lot of this is because he's very ideological and he has a worldview. and sometimes it's difficult to sort of, you know , difficult to sort of, you know, convene that worldview with

things like antisemitism, which is multifaceted . it is actually is multifaceted. it is actually a very complex and deep thing. and problem that is and the problem with that is him turning and saying turning around and saying he thinks was slightly hyped thinks it was slightly hyped up. that, is part of the that, i'm afraid, is part of the problem because he is perceived as insensitive towards as being insensitive towards antisemitism, him brushing it aside not aside and going, oh, it's not that bad , is not him listening, that bad, is not him listening, it's not him saying to the jewish community, may have jewish community, i may have missed something. explain to me what done wrong and what i've done wrong and let's genuinely believe that pope benedict, he may genuinely believe his believe that some of his opponents inside labour opponents inside the labour party weaponise the whole issue of do you think of anti—semitism. do you think there question that there is no question that anti—semitism went up on his watch and didn't know where watch and he didn't know where they answering they were in answering a question, it's association question, if it's by association and they're i think and then they're really. i think that's you could you that's true. but you could you could argue yes it could still argue that. yes it did increase on his watch. but do believe some people do you believe some people weaponize positions? weaponize those two positions? i don't that's necessarily don't think that's necessarily i think anti—semitic. think he's anti—semitic. i genuinely don't know. don't genuinely don't know. i don't think there's enough evidence there that he is. there to conclude that he is. and i can't really make a window into the man. so i think he has consorted with people who probably hasn't helped probably are and hasn't helped himself. refuse to say he

himself. but i refuse to say he is clear well, is without clear evidence. well, let's look of let's have a look at some of your at home, shall we, your thoughts at home, shall we, carol, you certainly will not have a sore bottom from sitting carol, you certainly will not haia a sore bottom from sitting carol, you certainly will not haia fencee bottom from sitting carol, you certainly will not haia fence because from sitting carol, you certainly will not haia fence because fronsayting on a fence because you say i would welcome him back tomorrow. he talks far more sense than anybody the party right now. anybody in the party right now. and he was not racist or anti semitic either , says, of course, semitic either, says, of course, jeremy corbyn should be allowed to stand is the only chance the tories have of winning. carol i think it's a different column, you say. how long do you think starmer would last as leader if he got into power? i think the left wing back benches would throw him out within year. throw him out within a year. dennis says. corbyn is a common michel. if he was in charge, he would let putin take whatever he wants said before, i wants to, he said before, i would stop our defence would love to stop our defence services once and for all. i think what corbyn is, is corbyn is a kind of, he would argue, is on the side of peace, is quite into things like stop the war and things like that, isn't he? moira says, i would give jeremy corbyn a vote. he's a decent,

honest man, not into back handedness or corruption . brave handedness or corruption. brave man and good for him. and on a completely different tangent and i like tangents on my show, she says. paul always reminds me of vincent van gogh . loads of vincent van gogh. loads of people say that about you when you're on this show. lots of people usually prince harry, isn't it? yeah, i think i prefer van gough, actually. well there's lot of therapy there . there's a lot of therapy there. either prince more either way, prince more lucrative . i would be pushing lucrative. i would be pushing myself as harry lookalike myself as a harry lookalike value, know. sure. if you value, you know. sure. if you seen goes, go for seen how much van goes, go for these . the ones that don't these days. the ones that don't have tins of soup on them and paint yeah. paint and stuff. yeah. yeah. a walking, talking lookalike will push all the way . yeah, push him all the way. yeah, right. to take quick right. going to take a quick break. when i come back, we'll have some of your thoughts full. speaking vincent, harry, speaking of paul vincent, harry, whatever you want to call him, he is whatever you want to call him, heisindeed whatever you want to call him, he is indeed a fire fighter. i think i'm right in saying you've got on strike. correct? got to go on strike. correct? right well, we'll be getting into minutes. do you into that in 2 minutes. do you think fighters be think fire fighters should be allowed go on strike in this allowed to go on strike in this country? do you support their

quest money? do you quest for more money? do you think hard done by. think they're hard done by. give me thoughts. see you me your thoughts. i'll see you into .

hello there . i'm michelle hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company on this friday night till 7:00 alongside me, the political commentator benedict spence and the author , fireman spence and the author, fireman and trade unionist paul embery. lots of you guys have been getting in touch about that last conversation we've just been having about jeremy corbyn, kevin from cumbria . he doesn't kevin from cumbria. he doesn't pull any punches. he says, i love your show. you thought, why do you keep going on about london? and the rest of the uk does not care about the madhouse thatis does not care about the madhouse that is inside m25 . please that is inside the m25. please can you talk about the uk ? i can you talk about the uk? i hear you have. not least, i'm a northern out myself, but i think the attitude towards corbyn is quite interesting because for me it highlights an attitude within

the labour party which will be one of the attitudes that could potentially make or break the next election . and who would be next election. and who would be the prime minister of the whole united kingdom? speaking of corbyn, howard says corbyn is way too old to be running this country. well, actually, you be 75 at the next election. you would be trying to run the country. of course, all that strange things have happened. they just be trying to they would just be trying to stand as an mp in greater islington. else? barry says islington. what else? barry says you're missing the elephant in the room, michel. you're saying let the young people voted for corbyn? but that is only because you promised write off all you promised to write off all that richard says, that student debt. richard says, please , can you all stop please, can you all stop referring to the working class? there's anymore. there's no such thing anymore. we've employees and we've got employees and employers. both of them work. then those of then we have those of independent means those who independent means and those who live support . the whole live on state support. the whole idea, he says, of so—called idea, he says, of the so—called working is out of date is working class, is out of date is that want your thoughts. carl that i want your thoughts. carl says show tonight benedict says great show tonight benedict and are always both and paul are always both reasoned articulate michel reasoned articulate and michel says. now paul is definitely the

best looking man on television . best looking man on television. and i go, that's nice compliment from carla, right ? let's hope from carla, right? let's hope there's one right here. yeah if you're listening to the twas on the radio, you've followed my advice and you've taken us with you on this friday nights , you you on this friday nights, you will have just missed the devastation, sheer devastation, the sheer devastation that appeared on benedict's face when paul didn't choose him over paul. anyway, you'll get over it, i'm sure. let's talk firefighters then, because they've been balloted and the vote has been cast essentially , they will go on essentially, they will go on strike if they don't manage to get a higher pay offer that they deem appropriate . we don't know deem appropriate. we don't know the days yet . paul embery, you the days yet. paul embery, you are indeed first and foremost, i respect anyone that goes headlong into burning buildings . i've got to be honest, i wouldn't do it myself. so i absolute respect those that choose to put . i absolute respect those that choose to put. i think it is wrong for you and not just you , wrong for you and not just you, all of you, to go out on force. i think your emergency service.

i think your emergency service. i think your emergency service. i think that people will die because of your actions and i will be quite frank. i think it's quite selfish . i mean , it's quite selfish. i mean, first of all, what i would say is never underestimate the decision that firefighters take, the anguish that they go through when they withdraw their labour. i've done it previously. it's not something that you ever want to do. it's not a decision that you take lightly. you only do it when you feel you've really been left with no other option. and of course, in withdrawing that laboun of course, in withdrawing that labour, we know that our own families, much as anybody families, as much as anybody else, not going to get fire else, are not going to get fire cover in the event that they would so firefighters would need it. so firefighters who experience think who might experience do think very, before deciding very, very hard before deciding that to walk out that they're going to walk out on strike and each local fire rescue service in this country, no , that there's always a no, that there's always a possibility, a strike should take place. and by law, under the fire and rescue services act 2004, they're obliged to have a contingency plan in place to make sure that they're still able to provide a service. it's

not going to be the service that people used but people are used to, but a service. and obviously there's nofice service. and obviously there's notice when you have notice periods when you have to take action. they get take strike action. so they get proper notice of it. but half the place been offering the place they've been offering people £1,000 to cross the picket pre—empting the picket lines, pre—empting the strikes, unions, fear strikes, the unions, your fear you've come out and called them outrageous. basically that i'm paraphrasing, word , paraphrasing, i'll put my word, but that was the essence that they were saying it was wrong of them do anything. reason them to do anything. the reason is some of this is much how easily some of this money and i've money that's that's and i've seen of stories as seen some of these stories as well being spent on well that's being spent on strike breakers. why can't some of that money actually go towards firefighters towards giving firefighters a decent settlement? because let's be the thing be honest, and this is the thing we haven't got onto yet. is it fair that when in inflation is nine, ten, 11, as it's been over recent months, when firefighters pay recent months, when firefighters pay in real terms has gone down by something lik e £4,000 over by something like £4,000 over the last ten years, when the starting wage for a firefighter i s £11 an hour, just £1.50 above is £11 an hour, just £1.50 above the minimum wage that people have really in the fire service as elsewhere, are struggling to make meet where the union

make ends meet where the union is negotiated for months and months, trying to get a better offer 5% that's on the offer than the 5% that's on the table, which simply not table, which simply is not adequate once firefighters are qualified above average qualified to get above average earnings my viewers earnings. and i know my viewers will shouting at the screens will be shouting at the screens saying show loads of saying to me, show loads of firefighters, including your good i'm up their good self, i'm talking up their earnings with jobs. well, earnings with second jobs. well, i all, most i mean, first of all, most firefighters don't do that simply out of greed. most firefighters do it because they feel they have to work more hours to bring in a hours in order to bring in a better income, to provide a decent life for themselves and their families. so fine. their families. so it's a fine. it's financial imperative, it's a financial imperative, i think, a lot of firefighters it's a financial imperative, i tiitlk, a lot of firefighters it's a financial imperative, i ti it is, a lot of firefighters it's a financial imperative, i ti it is, rather)t of firefighters it's a financial imperative, i ti it is, rather thanfirefighters it's a financial imperative, i ti it is, rather than just ghters . it is, rather than just something that's driven by something that's been driven by pure you to a pure greed. but you get to a point where think, look, do point where you think, look, do we simply say when the we just simply say when the money table, when people money on the table, when people in fire service are in the fire service are struggling to pay their mortgages, energy bills, mortgages, their energy bills, and else, if you and like everybody else, if you take that right to you take away that right to you know, the ultimate weapon, if you might. so we've draw your laboun you might. so we've draw your labour, essentially what labour, then essentially what you're is people should you're saying is people should just that's fine, just say, well, that's fine, then. don't any rights then. i don't have any rights beyond negotiating the employer

has clearly the whip hand has clearly got the whip hand over , so therefore i'll just over me, so therefore i'll just suckit over me, so therefore i'll just suck it up and accept what they're give you they're prepared to give me. you get that situation, then get into that situation, then you the pay of you will see the pay of firefighters plummet firefighters and others plummet because know because the employers know there's nothing they can ever do in drive a better in order to drive a better bargain. benedict do bargain. benedict i could do a back forth with paul on this back and forth with paul on this for a fair bit of time, but i'm conscious that you're here. you've got your thoughts as well. i mean, i agree with you in don't think emergency in that i don't think emergency service ever go service workers should ever go on strike. don't think that on strike. i don't think that most medics should on strike. most medics should go on strike. the employers like or should be allowed. is a tricky allowed. well, this is a tricky thing because it's question of thing because it's a question of whether we should pass whether or not we should pass laws them laws preventing them from it. i think that that's a dangerous precedent to set, but i think there should be an understanding that officers i think that prison officers i think that prison officers i think that and there that there is and there should be understanding you be an understanding when you join that join certain professions that you on strike. with you don't go on strike. but with that come and that needs to come and understand from government on behalf the representatives of behalf as the representatives of the that they will the people that they will provide with those services with. you know, i'm saying with. you know, i'm not saying spend, know, the families spend, you know, the families over them, but them

over on them, but provide them with they need to with the resources they need to allow to do allow their members to do their jobs and to a life that is jobs and to live a life that is , you know, is a respectable existence. you can't have it. the people are struggling to get food on the table, that sort of thing. so i don't that you thing. so i don't think that you can don't think you have can i don't think you can have put on. i don't think put food on. i don't think you can i i don't think can have i don't i don't think you can have firefighters necessarily going on strike. but equally, think the public need equally, i think the public need to be at the government to be looking at the government and asking is that they and asking why is it that they are considering this? why do they have those pounds they not have those in pounds a year struggle to put food on your table? firefighters start 0 n £24,000 a year and then when on £24,000 a year and then when they become what's called a competent firefighter, they get £32,000 a bit more in £32,000 a year, a bit more in london because they get london whites as well. so i suspect. whites in as well. so i suspect. do you can wait on do you think you can wait on £2,000 year? we're not £2,000 a year? well, we're not just about firefighters just talking about firefighters here. talking about here. i'm also talking about emergency service workers. and here. i'm also talking about em here my service workers. and here. i'm also talking about em here lostervice workers. and here. i'm also talking about em here lost storiesvorkers. and here. i'm also talking about em here lost stories about;. and we here lost stories about things for example, things like nurses, for example, who to feed their who are unable to feed their families myriad different families for a myriad different reasons that's one set of reasons. now, that's one set of skills, but equally and equally don't go. what happens is people

say a sentence is like that. nurses can't afford to feed their kids and eat food. my mom and sister are both nhs nurses and sister are both nhs nurses and they are not wealthy , you and they are not wealthy, you know, but they can afford to eat and anyone, every nurse they know can afford to eat. so they may well be all right. i tell you what will take people not being able to eat off the table. yeah, public service workers, especially emergency service workers, real time pay workers, have seen real time pay cuts than lots of cuts far greater than lots of other areas and have, in many cases since the last financial crisis. is that the behaviour of responsible government that is supposed those supposed to be maintaining those people's standards. people's living standards. i would argue no. and is would argue no. and that is where i the pushback needs where i think the pushback needs to come. people not be to come. people should not be going on strike, but i do think that the general should that the general public should be much firmer look be taking a much firmer look actually the and actually at the pay and conditions things conditions of things like firefighters, like police officers, then saying the officers, and then saying at the ballot is the ballot box, why is the government allowing these government not allowing these professions know, live government not allowing these pr

scroungers? are they really all socialists who go on socialists who want to go on strike this strike or actually, is this about safety ? that's about public safety? and that's and the thing, isn't and that's the key thing, isn't it, you have widespread it, when you have widespread strike action like it's taking place moment across the place at the moment across the pubuc place at the moment across the public and in fact, some public sector and in fact, some parts sector as parts of the private sector as well. you can conclude well. now, you can conclude that, know, this is all that, you know, this is all kind, coordinated. and kind, highly coordinated. and all workers have been all of these workers have been politicised. they're all militants and they really want to down the government and to bring down the government and that you can that kind of thing where you can say, actually the reality say, look, actually the reality is what's going on is a reflection of the economic landscape that people who usually of usually wouldn't dream of strike. it's like in strike action films suddenly that they've driven to take they've been driven to take strike action because in the worst pay squeeze in britain since napoleonic times, because people see that there are some people see that there are some people who did very well out of the pandemic and made many, many millions and that told to millions and that being told to pay millions and that being told to pay another economic crisis pay for another economic crisis that didn't create. so they that they didn't create. so they got to look at going on are you telling the motivation telling me and the motivation behind understand why behind it and understand why it is people taking are is that people are taking are you me your take you you telling me your take you voted to take strike action because you're at the

because you're looking at the pandemic going this and pandemic and going this and people made people over there that made a small what of my one small fortune what one of my one of motivations was certainly of my motivations was certainly the that got a broken the fact that we've got a broken economic model, economic economic model, an economic model unfair that model that is unfair and that the gap between rich and poor with doing with some people doing very, very pay with some people doing very, very pay going very nicely, executive pay going up , city bonuses up, some up, city bonuses going up, some of our biggest. but again, i was going to say something about some of the values record in record profit, but that's not what's opening . you can't have what's opening. you can't have any more. of course, that's going in people's. but going to be in people's. but this the thing that's not so this is the thing that's not so much your working much about your working conditions safety. that's conditions and safety. that's more thing. you more a political thing. and you should to the ballot. should take that to the ballot. but be mine. there's but that would be mine. there's absolutely nothing wrong with any who's offered any worker who's been offered a below that is below and a pay increase that is not acceptable and below inflation increase. well, inflation pay increase. well, hold on a second. not only is unfair look at the unfair, but let me look at the wider economy. some people at the top of doing really, really nicely. and i'm being told to tighten belt. don't think tighten my belt. i don't think it's at all for it's unreasonable at all for people into account people to take that into account when make judgement. when they make judgement. i think take into think we can take that into account it to their account when it comes to their world view. but other members of

the the taxpayer who the of the well the taxpayer who don't get a say on whether or not can withdraw their not they can withdraw their funds on this are going to be sat going. so i'm not sat there going. so i'm not necessarily going getting necessarily going to be getting the service i'm paid for. the service that i'm paid for. you make the arguments about you can make the arguments about whether the service is whether or not the service is being effectively, whether whether or not the service is be not effectively, whether whether or not the service is be not it's effectively, whether whether or not the service is be not it's being vely, whether whether or not the service is be not it's being funded.ether whether or not the service is be not it's being funded. and' or not it's being funded. and i'm to those i'm very sympathetic to those arguments, lot arguments, but i think a lot of taxpayers would and taxpayers would sit there and i say taxpayers mean, the say taxpayers i mean, the general in going, well, general public in going, well, hang dont general public in going, well, hang don't say about hang on, i don't get a say about whether i keep on whether or not i keep on contributing the system. why contributing to the system. why can you just pull of the can you just pull out of the system? doesn't really work. system? it doesn't really work. take the ballot which take it to the ballot box, which is would say should be is what i would say should be your it to your recourse or to take it to the ballot yet. but we can the ballot box yet. but we can take it a break. i could carry on conversation a very on this conversation for a very long be long time. i want to be absolutely clear. respect paul absolutely clear. i respect paul and paul. put and people like paul. the put themselves danger themselves into danger immensely. i don't have it in me to do so much respect to do that job. so much respect to do that job. so much respect to those people that i to those people that do and i want paid well. but i do want them to paid well. but i do think and think public safety, health and safety individual safety comes above individual pay- safety comes above individual pay. me your pay. am i wrong? give me your thought. a passionate thought. you had a passionate argument about argument there from paul about his vaiews@gbnews.uk argument there from paul about hi the vaiews@gbnews.uk argument there from paul about hi the email vaiews@gbnews.uk argument there from paul about hi the email vaiewsgoingews.uk is the email address going to take a quick break. when i come

back, want to very back, i want to ask a very simple question. the uk simple question. should the uk be jets to be sending fighter jets to ukraine? into .

another. i'm michelle dewberry be with you until 7:00 tonight alongside the political commentator benedict spence and the author , fireman and trade the author, fireman and trade unionist paul embry , we've just unionist paul embry, we've just been continuing that conversation in the break about whether or not it would be practical, feasible or realistic, whatever word you want to give to it, to have clauses in the contracts of emergency services , which emergency services, which basically says that you cannot go on strike. just explain very briefly , paul, because we have briefly, paul, because we have these independent pay review bodies in various sectors. it's not quite like that with firefighters, is it? just tell people no. we have a body called the national joint council, which is a uk wide body responsible for negotiating the pay responsible for negotiating the pay and conditions of

firefighters made up of senior officials the fire brigades officials of the fire brigades union and senior representative of fire service employers. and every they get together and every year they get together and negotiate what what that negotiate what year, what that year's annual increase be year's annual increase will be so completely different from the pay so completely different from the pay review body and much better from of view than from our point of view than a pay from our point of view than a pay body, it pay review body, because it gives in those gives us some leverage in those negotiation well. i gather negotiation as well. i gather that's up let's that's clears up indeed. let's have look you at have a look what you guys at home neil says these home are saying, neil says these strikes are political and less than the people going on strike. and yet i manage not to go to food banks, etc. we all want more , but we have live more, but we have to live accordingly. nick says. i do not support a raise for firefighters, although their job has risks, they go into it knowing that they are more than compensated with pensions and benefits as a compromise , would benefits as a compromise, would you take a reduction on your pension and have it applied to your pay ? oh, no, no. because your pay? oh, no, no. because pensions themselves are deferred wages . and actually in the fire wages. and actually in the fire service, it's one of the most expensive pensions . contributors expensive pensions. contributors like firefighters . so i think like firefighters. so i think it'd be unreasonable to say

we're to you a decent we're going to give you a decent pay we're going to give you a decent pay but we're pay increase, but hey, we're going whack it off your going to whack it off your pension. a tactic pension. i don't think a tactic will that. so that's will come up for that. so that's enough for suggestion as enough for that suggestion as the answer writes , do you the short answer writes, do you support the firefighters going on strike? is there people out there or other people out there, should i say, that do support that? i'd certainly support fair wages, i just the concept of wages, but i just the concept of imagines is striking is a step too far for me . give us your too far for me. give us your thoughts, but let's for now, talk about boris johnson, shall we? it never seems to be off the news. prystowsky this fellow is not supposed be not supposed to be prime minister anymore. all that minister anymore. we're all that influential the influential boy. he likes the sound own voice, sound of his own voice, particularly it comes to particularly when it comes to ukraine. long story short, he's now been suggesting, benedict, that uk should push ahead that the uk should push ahead and fighter jets to and supply fighter jets to ukraine. should we? this is a complex one because the argument that was put forward as to why we shouldn't is it's escalation and that we risk upsetting russia that they might interpret it as nato getting involved in

the war in ukraine. and i think the war in ukraine. and i think the given that we've already given them pretty much everything except submarines, ships and aircraft, and they haven't actually launched an attack on london, i think can attack on london, i think we can probably that. no, they are probably take that. no, they are not it as a sign not going to take it as a sign of to aggression. they already understand backs understand that nato backs ukraine a point or certain ukraine up to a point or certain members do. nato is not members do. but nato is not about involved. end, about to involved. to that end, i that there's i don't see that there's anything wrong with sending planes that's not to cause planes that's not going to cause an well we an escalation then. well no, we might we shouldn't might not. well, we shouldn't put because put boots on the ground because those participants. put boots on the ground because thornot participants. put boots on the ground because thornot inanimate ticipants. put boots on the ground because thornot inanimate object ts. it's not an inanimate object which a jet is which fundamentally a jet is until you actually put a ukrainian it and then it flies. the issue for me is not so much around is around whether or not there is more planes to more students sending planes to ukraine. they aren't particularly useful in ukraine because is no air because there is no air superiority, because russian superiority, because the russian military up to counter nato military set up to counter nato air superiority , its very good air superiority, its very good at shooting planes down. but the russians don't have a particularly good air force anyway. they long anyway. what they need is long distance ballistics more distance ballistics and more tanks. actually tanks. what? this is actually more about, i think, is whether or the british army has the or not the british army has the capacity planes to capacity to send planes to another . military

another country. military is actually funded at actually pretty badly funded at the moment. it's not in a good state to go to war. if we have the sending the planes to be sending overseas, means we are overseas, that means we are going to have to find more money somewhere better planes somewhere to buy better planes for it. and we for us to have it. and we will need them stage . is this need them at some stage. is this idea that long we're not idea that as long as we're not going sort of a led going on some sort of a us led intervention somewhere in the middle going middle east, we're not going to have anyway and have to intervene anyway and that a errand the that is a fool's errand as the ukrainians are now finding out, that just assume that that you can just assume that the the same the world will stay the same forever. won't be like that. forever. it won't be like that. we functioning we do need a functioning air force and right now it's questionable whether we questionable whether actually we have embery have one. and dave, paul embery , think benedict , i mean, i think benedict raises the key point there about the fact that our own armed forces have been pretty much ravaged in recent years and cut to the bone. and we've been having the discussion other pubuc having the discussion other public services as well, having the discussion other public services as well , state public services as well, state of economy. the fact that of the economy. the fact that other sectors in in the public sector have run down and degraded in terms of their ability and resources and stuff. and yet, isn't it funny how whenever it comes to a military adventure, we can always summon

up billions of pounds at the drop of a hat, say, yeah, we're going to get involved in that , going to get involved in that, whether it's iraq, whether it's afghanistan, it's afghanistan, whether it's ukraine. and by the way, i think the was appalling. the invasion was appalling. i think was think putin's invasion was barbaric condemn it barbaric and i condemn it unreservedly . i think we have to unreservedly. i think we have to ask ourselves, is it our role to constantly play? i the policeman of the world? i don't think we're big enough and i don't think we're rich enough to play that role. to be perfectly blunt , my other question , what is the , my other question, what is the end game here ? you know, this end game here? you know, this this war is now that this conflict been going on for conflict has been going on for 12 months, arguably for longer than probably back to 2014, if you look at the whole history of this dispute, i've been hearing for several months now that russia about to out . russia is about to bow out. russia is about to bow out. russia its knees. russia russia is on its knees. russia is collapse. is going to collapse. that doesn't happening any doesn't look like happening any time soon. and it seems to me that actually what we need are a few a few less hawks and few people a few less hawks and perhaps a few more doves. and that's not to say that we give in to putin, but at least you

know, let's start talking the language peace. and seems language of peace. and it seems to that are so many to me that there are so many people government in the people in government and in the media and in the military who are kind of upping ante are kind of upping the ante constantly and of course, stoking stoking the flames of this dispute. and not enough people saying, look, there are lives being lost. this is a war of attrition. there women of attrition. there are women and being killed on a daily bafis. and being killed on a daily basis . how and being killed on a daily basis. how are we going to address this, whether that's the minsk accords , which perhaps minsk accords, which perhaps needs be revisited in terms needs to be revisited in terms of trying to deliver a peaceful settlement or some way? we settlement or some other way? we need talking in that need to start talking in that language. people language. yeah some people would say rather than say a benedict rather than sending ballistic sending jets or ballistic missiles or whatever it is , what missiles or whatever it is, what it was, send negotiators you want to send anything, send peace, negotiate . why? to try peace, negotiate. why? to try and wrap this thing up. russia is not going to stop until it meets its military objective in ukraine. it's not interested in negotiation it wants to negotiation. it wants ukraine to become puppet state of russia. become a puppet state of russia. it doesn't want occupy all of it doesn't want to occupy all of ukraine. that's not going to happen. wants to ukraine happen. it wants to turn ukraine into which let's

into a rump state, which let's clear actually us clear is actually what the us and wanted fundamentally and eu wanted fundamentally to happen to ukraine in reverse. well, a power well, this is about a power struggle to places that believe have a on the wealth of have a claim on the wealth of this country, which is vast. thatis this country, which is vast. that is we're going into that is why we're going into this, is an this, because ukraine is an incredibly economic incredibly important economic country . and, know, we can country. and, you know, we can turn around and say, let's send peace negotiators. and russia peace negotiators. and if russia made it very clear that it intends to militarily take the land bridge linking crimea to the west of russia, and it intends to take the donbas and luhansk regions and those are it saying and ukraine says, no, that's our sovereign territory. well, then you have the stalemate and you will have a war. there until both sides have won or until one won each other out or until one side defeated. that's the side is defeated. that's the reality now, reality of the situation. now, where stand on it? again, where do you stand on it? again, so many of these topics i could spend my entire friday night sitting going sitting with you two gents going into these topics a little bit deeper, into these topics a little bit deeper , but for time reasons , i deeper, but for time reasons, i do have to move on. paul i've got two comments to read out to you. paul says, i absolutely . you. paul says, i absolutely. the firefighters , they should be

the firefighters, they should be given the pay rises that they ask for. however, this one and i will confess, jeff , you're on will confess, jeff, you're on the squad and you make me have goose bumps. you say the following on november 22, on the first day of the fireman strike, my son died in a house fire. would he have survived if professional had attended ? professional had attended? question mark. we shall never know , but be in no doubt that know, but be in no doubt that striking fireman can cost lives and respond briefly to that . and respond briefly to that. well, i need to say, i mean, of course, this is an appalling situation for any family to find themselves in. and obviously your heart goes to people in that position . all i would say that position. all i would say is, as i said at the beginning of the discussion , never of the discussion, never underestimate the fact that firefighters themselves feel intense anxiety and anguish when they withdraw their labour and only ever do it if they genuinely feel they've got a legitimate cause. i can say that as a firefighter of 25 years, we've only ever done that when

we've only ever done that when we feel that the cause is right. but the people i see on the picket don't seem the anguish and distress that governor, and distress that like governor, my time on their my old jolly time on their picket you know what picket lines, but you know what we agree to disagree . that's we agree to disagree. that's what this show is all about. but, united in but, jeff, we are all united in passing on our sympathies for your loss of your son. an awful story that is going to take a quick break. when i come back, i'll have some more of your thoughts. don't go anywhere. i'll see you .

in two. hello there. it's friday evening , isn't it? so i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company? not for much longer because it's almost 7:00. so i thought i would do something a little bit different tonight. given that it is friday because there's a particular story, i'm handing these out to my wonderful panel. there's a particular story that really caught my eye this weekend . and i don't know

weekend. and i don't know whether or not you saw it's about a song that many those might have knocked out once or twice . a little bit of karaoke. twice. a little bit of karaoke. i can certainly put my hands up and say that i have that has now been forbidden being sung been forbidden from being sung any more by the choir , the any more by the choir, the welsh. how do you say principality stadium ? this is principality stadium? this is all about the delilah, as it's known . why? apparently, tom known. why? apparently, tom jones, of course, was the man that sang it. apparently. now it's risen. it concerns that it's risen. it concerns that it's all about domestic violence .jones it's all about domestic violence . jones i've got it with chaps. should we just remind the audience of the song ? oh shriek, audience of the song? oh shriek, now i'm getting switched if i sing, they were. now you work, right? you should do a song. sure we just will join in for the chorus . well, let's just do the chorus. well, let's just do the chorus. well, let's just do the chorus. well, let's just do the chorus then. i write you first. write your . yeah. okay, first. write your. yeah. okay, so what? we'll is we'll just remind you all of the song and then we can discuss whether or not should are you not it should be banned. are you ready, three? it's ready, you three? right. it's free let's just the free to one. let's just do the chorus. they've the lyrics

chorus. they've got the lyrics because thought to myself, because i thought to myself, they because also. they were saying because also. then ready? my, my then you ready? go now i. my, my , my . come on at home. what , my. come on at home. what i was . now i put , my. come on at home. what i was. now i put it you that that is pretty much the only part of the song that anybody says because it goes on and it goes on and it goes on and you cannot remember even the tune, let alone the words. but long story short, the song is all about this fella he drives up to his girlfriend's house, looks through window another through the window with another guy out , the guy guy when he comes out, the guy leaves and the man kills delilah. stops . i basically . delilah. he stops. i basically. so, yeah, they can't sing any more . what do you think of this? more. what do you think of this? paul embery it's just one of these crackpot stories, isn't it, that do the from time to time where people jump on a particular we've got a bass and a person hasn't been away for this particular segment. so i saw by the way one i think the chief constable with david powers force in wales was powers police force in wales was on twitter yesterday defending

it, saying whites right, but it should be banned . and i just should be banned. and i just think she said, okay, where does that because if you're that end? because if you're saying that any song that contains lyrics about violence and death , you know, whatever and death, you know, whatever and death, you know, whatever and you know, some of these gory i think we probably accept that. but nobody even knows the full song. well, that's probably true. but when you look also at opera , when you look at certain opera, when you look at certain national anthems, when you look at rap music poems, an enormous number contain you know, lyrics and verses about violence and death. do we go on this slippery slope where we end up banning every one of them? no, of course we don't know in which case we're targeting. yeah. why? we can't just if we want to go through all the other sort of the teams that'll play on the six nations, i mean the scottish national all about national anthem is all about beating english war. beating the english in war. i know go on a lot about know they go on a lot about that. happened or that. it only happened once or twice, actually safe, twice, still actually a safe, is it? the english, you it? you know, the english, you know, they swing, they sing swing low, sweet chariot, which

know, they swing, they sing svtechnically eet chariot, which know, they swing, they sing svtechnically culturaliot, which know, they swing, they sing svtechnically cultural for which know, they swing, they sing svtechnically cultural for us. ich is technically cultural for us. i you know, i don't want to submit everybody, but it's but that's a slave song from the deep south they used to sing that on the plantations isn't cultural shouldn't cultural appropriation shouldn't that ? of course not. that be banned? of course not. but somebody will argue but i'm sure somebody will argue for you can always for it, though you can always find reasons why something has got be banned or somebody got to be banned or somebody will the will be offended. the new zealand do , an zealand national team do, an actual before they actual war dance before they before they play is that before they play rugby. is that particularly okay? is that fair? i don't know. well, we accept the flag at some minutes from grace. tell me more. tell me more. does she put up a fight ? more. does she put up a fight? apparently, that's not for one. apparently, that's not for one. a couple of years ago, where radio stations were told not to play radio stations were told not to play . i'm radio stations were told not to play. i'm just about to say we could cut right away. we're told not to play, baby. it's cold outside song outside the christmas song because somebody said, you because somebody said, oh, you know, the well has gone know, right. the well has gone mad. says, do not give up mad. darren says, do not give up the day job, you three. on that note, we're going to sing you out. got seconds. out. we've only got 15 seconds. one road. ready, mama ? one for the road. ready, mama? my one for the road. ready, mama? my mom . it's a lie . it's a bit

my mom. it's a lie. it's a bit of a moment. why why what? good evening . here with your latest evening. here with your latest weather updates this weekend. we'll go from mild and cloudy to a bit colder but a lot sunnier. by a bit colder but a lot sunnier. by sunday, most of us will be dry for much of the weekend , but dry for much of the weekend, but there will be some rain around tomorrow from this weather front. that's slowly but surely approaching . we've got high approaching. we've got high pressure dominating, though. and in these two weather in between these two weather fronts, got moment fronts, we've got at the moment quite mild air. so not quite a lot of mild air. so not too out there for too chilly out there for february evening. a lot of cloud keeping those temperatures up , keeping those temperatures up, some drizzle that cloud and some drizzle from that cloud and western areas over coasts and hills. there's some this hills. and there's some this evening but even evening over shetland, but even that should be easing off as we head you breaks head towards dawn if you breaks in cloud could lead in the cloud could lead temperatures drop temperatures in the east to drop maybe to four five celsius. maybe to four or five celsius. but for most will stay up at seven or eight celsius. so pretty mild start to saturday a drab start to saturday as well . drab start to saturday as well. a lot of cloud around . but a lot of cloud around. but again, apart from a bit of drizzle, most places dry until that arrives , bringing that weather arrives, bringing rain northwest scotland by

rain into northwest scotland by lunchtime, trickling down through belt early through the central belt early afternoon spreading across afternoon and spreading across northern to another northern ireland to another great day across highlands great day across the highlands of scotland . quite and windy of scotland. quite wet and windy here, elsewhere , further here, but elsewhere, further south, wales south, most of england, wales dry, a lot of cloud, but some brightness coming through. it will digits for will be mild double digits for most. some of that rain will push into northern england and wales during saturday evenings . wales during saturday evenings. it bear that in mind if you're heading out to that band rain working some fizzling working south with some fizzling out than spot out so no more than the old spot through early hours of through the early hours of sunday the south and sunday morning in the south and then skies colder then clearer skies and colder air arrives so are much more likely to have a frost on sunday morning certainly from the midlands northwards in rural spots. but although it will be colder, it is going to be a spot clear day sunshine for most clear day of sunshine for most on sunday. some cloud here and there, a bit of a breeze on some north coasts in the north sea coasts and in the northwest for light winds , northwest for most light winds, blue skies, lots of sunshine and we'll still lose that frost. i suspect temperatures up to about

good evening. i'm dawn neesom in for laurence fox. coming up on show tonight with the search for naked body entry. second week. i'm looking at the trauma found . you can't imagine what they're going through. it's just horrific. families go horrific. the trauma families go through when a loved one goes missing and gary glitter has been released prison after serving only half of his 16 year sentence. and i'm asking are victims being let down by a justice system then with the allegations of bullying by dominic raab putting pressure on prime minister rishi sunak's, i want to debate if we have gone a bit too soft and don't try this at home. so what did that how do