good evening. i'm dawn neesom in for laurence fox. coming up on show tonight with the search for naked body entry. second week. i'm looking at the trauma found . you can't imagine what they're going through. it's just horrific. families go horrific. the trauma families go through when a loved one goes missing and gary glitter has been released prison after serving only half of his 16 year sentence. and i'm asking are victims being let down by a justice system then with the allegations of bullying by dominic raab putting pressure on prime minister rishi sunak's, i want to debate if we have gone a bit too soft and don't try this at home. so what did that how do

you a donor in a proper british way. former royal butler grant harold is into teachers and manners. but first it's the news with erin armstrong . yes, i'm with erin armstrong. yes, i'm out. i'm showing the gb newsroom lancashire police investigating the disappearance of a missing mother now believe she fell into the river while nicola disappeared a week ago while walking her dog. the investigation is focusing on a ten minute window that's on accounted for. the 45 year old's phone was found on a bench still connected to work teams call with her dog nearby , but no with her dog nearby, but no trace of her has been found . trace of her has been found. superintendent sally riley has confirmed officers have searched a one kilometre radius from that location and also the 15 kilometres of water from the river wyre to the sea . our main river wyre to the sea. our main working hypothesis persists, therefore is that nicola is

sadly fallen into the river, that there is no third party or criminal involvement and that this is not suspicious but a tragic case of a missing person . this is particularly important because speculation otherwise can be really distressing for the family and for nicola's children . disgraced pop star children. disgraced pop star gary glitter been freed from jail after serving half of his six year sentence for abusing young girls. the 79 year old was jailed in 2015 for the historical sex attacks on three schoolgirls. he spent time in a low security prison indoors set and has been released . he will and has been released. he will now be subject to licence conditions . a man who bought conditions. a man who bought a crossbow to windsor castle with the intention of harming queen elizabeth has pleaded guilty to charges the treason act. jaswant singh kyle told protection officer he was here to kill the

queen after breaking into the castle grounds on christmas day in 2021. the 21 year old is wearing a mask and was carrying a loaded weapon with the safety catch released. the late queen was in residence at the time . was in residence at the time. the secretary of state, antony blinken, has postponed his trip to china after a suspected spy balloon was tracked flying across the united states . china across the united states. china says the balloon was in fact, a civilian airship which had deviated from its planned route because of bad weather . it was because of bad weather. it was spotted over montana, close to a us nuclear air force base. blinken was to depart tonight and his visit to china , which and his visit to china, which would have been the first by a top us diplomat for years, comes at a time of increasingly strained relations between the countries . china has issued an countries. china has issued an apology and the first 100 has closed at a record high as concerns over rising global inflation and interest rates has eased a little. it was briefly trading 7906 points earlier at

79,006, the highest level seen in nearly five years. that's been put down to investors hoping global inflation is easing , hoping global inflation is easing, leading to hoping global inflation is easing , leading to a hoping global inflation is easing, leading to a stronger demand in the stock markets. it's also been supported by a drop in the pound against the dollar and an easing of covid restrictions in china . tv online restrictions in china. tv online and dab+ radio . this is gb news. and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to door. pitch of the same . it's tomorrow pitch of the same. it's tomorrow morning a lovely weekend stretches ahead that you're looking forward to spending with the family and friends. maybe the family and friends. maybe the kids are off playing, watching, playing or watching sport . possibly your other half sport. possibly your other half is taking the dog for walk is taking the dog for a walk before you shopping or out before you go shopping or out for meal together. you for a nice meal together. you might your mates might be meeting your mates later a few drinks in

later for on a few drinks in town or down the local. the simple day . today's stuff of simple day. today's stuff of just living your life with those you love . then the unimaginable you love. then the unimaginable happens. you love. then the unimaginable happens . your child never comes happens. your child never comes back that football match. back from that football match. your partner falls to return from dog walking. that from the dog walking. that friend simply doesn't turn up for your out. just running for your night out. just running late, you tell yourself reaching for the mobile . giving them a for the mobile. giving them a quick though. just in case quick call, though. just in case the to voicemail. you the phone goes to voicemail. you leave your jokey message and then another one. and then the slightly angry one. they don't get back, though . that's weird. get back, though. that's weird. and suddenly those first ice cold fingers are fast creeping up your spine. what if they've had an accident? are they lying hurt somewhere in pain and helpless. you try to dismiss the anxiety. you yourself as a perfectly logical explanation and your hear their key in the door soon. but you don't . and door soon. but you don't. and you never do. not day or the next. or the next. and even worse is that no one, not the police , not the people they were police, not the people they were with or anyone else knows what

has happened. i have literally vanished into thin air. this girlfriend hell of confusion and torment that the family of missing mum of two nicola polly are now facing. nicola just took her dog for a walk along riverbanks just strolled a thousand times before. a week ago today. she was saved by other regular dog walkers and joined a work conference called regular . then she disappeared joined a work conference called regular. then she disappeared . regular. then she disappeared. her phone was left on a bench by the side of the river. her dog, willow, running loose nearby . no willow, running loose nearby. no sign of a struggle. she was just gone. sign of a struggle. she was just gone . if you've ever loved gone. if you've ever loved anyone , you can only just begin anyone, you can only just begin to understand the hell that her mum. dad sister and partner are going through . one week on the going through. one week on the agony etched on their tearful faces as they appealed for nicola to get in touch with the heartbreaking . this has emptied heartbreaking. this has emptied our lives, dad, ernest said , and our lives, dad, ernest said, and never has the word empty carried

so much weight. they must feel utterly out with despair . the utterly out with despair. the dread that nicola's body will be found , the hope that she will found, the hope that she will turn up safe and sound. that every waking moment must be consumed with nicola analysing everything she said , everything everything she said, everything they said and everything they did before she disappeared . it's did before she disappeared. it's a never ending torture. the police appear to believe nicola supped police appear to believe nicola slipped and fell into the very slow flowing with a wire and have concentrated searching the water. but they still haven't found anything . it's the not found anything. it's the not knowing where the true horrors lie . nicola's partner, paul lie. nicola's partner, paul ansell, admits that he keeps every scenario around in his head and will never up hope. and none of us would, would we? because we always hope against hope that a missing loved one will turn up safe and sound no matter how many hours , days, matter how many hours, days, weeks, or , heaven forbid, years

weeks, or, heaven forbid, years of they are missing. paul says he is trying to hold it together for the sake of the two daughters he shares with nicola, aged just six and nine. but even he admits, there are times when that's impossible because what do you say to a bewildered and scared little girl when she asks when her mummy is coming home? knowing that potentially you may never , ever be able to answer never, ever be able to answer that question later on, we will be talking about the bullying allegations against deputy prime minister dominic raab and with that in mind, i'm asking have we become too soft? email me at gb views at gb news dot uk or tweet at gb news. now police investigating the disappearance of mother of two nicola believe that she fell into the river a long and agonising week and agonising it must be every sense

of the word has passed since the disappearance of nicola in in lancashire at. her thoughts are so much with her friends, family and loved ones because they are now the ones left in limbo . we now the ones left in limbo. we hope we never have to experience this when goes missing. how do you go about your life ? i'm now you go about your life? i'm now joined by journalist sharon boyle, who has many similar stories and has got to know the families left behind. hello sharon joining me. thank so much tonight. it's a friday and i appreciate this is not a subject any of us want to be talking about tonight. sharon. i know you've had experience with a very similar case with a lady called patricia hall. can just tell us a little bit about that situation about that story . well situation about that story. well i mean i think you've summed up the agony perfect life. but nicola's family have certainly had it for a week. patricia's family have had it for over 31

years. like nicholas , she years. like nicholas, she vanished into thin air one night. now people missing all the time . accidental reasons the time. accidental reasons through choice and through sinister reasons. obviously, it seems nicola's accidental, perhaps was sinister. she had a vicious row with her husband on the night of the 27th of january, 1992. she was planning to leave keith hall . he feared to leave keith hall. he feared losing his wife, child , two sons losing his wife, child, two sons and his mobile bread delivery business. the row ended suddenly . and the family car screeched off about in the morning, found dumped a mile away. off about in the morning, found dumped a mile away . there dumped a mile away. there nothing. not a single a phone call . her bank account has being call. her bank account has being torched . all of sons. i've never torched. all of sons. i've never heard from a much loved sister , heard from a much loved sister, hassan, and that's 31 years of not knowing where patty's on what befell hearts on that

january night. now, eventually, keith was charged with her murder after he confessed to an undercover police woman that he strangled her. and in his callous words, played in court , callous words, played in court, dumped it in an incinerator. the plea that the judge wouldn't allow the confession so the jury never heard it. he was cleared on a 20 to majority of murder and walked free, ma'am. and then the judge made the bizarre decision to release the taped confession . so you know, keith confession. so you know, keith remains , an innocent man cleared remains, an innocent man cleared and part remains missing . 31 and part remains missing. 31 years of can see the last ones . years of can see the last ones. and obviously, women not making any comparison between the actual legalities of what you're talking about with patricia's story. we don't we don't know . story. we don't we don't know. obviously, what has happened to

nicole and the similarities, though, are , you know, pat pat though, are, you know, pat pat had children as well as two little boys who were six and nine when she went missing . and nine when she went missing. and obviously, a sister who you're very close with you covered story a lot at the time . can you story a lot at the time. can you tell me a little bit about the fact that patricia has been for 31 years now. the effect that it's had on her sister and her children who are grown men are obviously obviously with of their own. so got to know christine whether pat's much loved and close sister . weeks loved and close sister. weeks after pat went missing , it was after pat went missing, it was treated as sinister. really on and it was the first murder case i covered as a senior journalist i covered as a seniorjournalist and christie was a children's nurse married to a farmer a toddler and a baby. and for half our lives now, we have been intertwined professionally , for intertwined professionally, for

me, personally, for and the home for pops. find out what happens . pop. justice for pop . do you . pop. justice for pop. do you know she's now a grandmother ? i know she's now a grandmother? i still remain committed to this case. and i've told her i will keep writing, keep sunak until i cannot write any more. all we get justice for pop in some way or another . get justice for pop in some way or another. but get justice for pop in some way or another . but christine was a or another. but christine was a lovely shy. possibly naive. four months she feels let down by the justice system . she's definitely justice system. she's definitely had the calm is knocked off. i'm sure she's told me herself. last week we met for coffee and she cried and she you know, she does feel let down and she feels there's been no justice for pop. but it's how it's changed. she still wakes up in a night. nicola's family will for a long time. what? what happened? why? i think until there is closure

in missing person case, there is always . there is always hope. always. there is always hope. and even though christine obviously know the legalities of the case is completely different to nicola's , does she still that to nicola's, does she still that little glimmer of hope that her sister will, you know, by some miracle , be around and will one miracle, be around and will one day just turn up and get back to her farm and the grandchildren. she's obviously never known , you she's obviously never known, you know , she doesn't know. now she know, she doesn't know. now she doesn't have that hope. sadly and she's seeking closure. and she actually said to me today , i she actually said to me today, i feel so sorry for family because the only symbol of pat's death , the only symbol of pat's death, the only symbol of pat's death, the alleged death, is a rose that she planted in an cemetery. now you know, and open wound she committed used to have. and i said it to her last week, it's an open wound. and we heartsick

again i anxiety even all these decades on and both of those just hope that loved ones do get some sort of sort of closure because i wouldn't wish not on anyone a witness. the ripple it has down the years on the loved ones. has down the years on the loved ones . but has down the years on the loved ones. but what about has down the years on the loved ones . but what about the boys ? i ones. but what about the boys? i mean, as you say, grown men with children. i mean, how have they cope with with not having their mum most of their lives ? well, mum most of their lives? well, they struggle. they've had the tough times, as you would expect . and they struggled and the recent documentary we all took part in the confession that tells the tale of pat's disappearance . you know, they're disappearance. you know, they're adults now. they can watch that and make up their own mind. but again, they must have come through years thinking she might send a birthday card on ringers

. and it's that heartache . mm . and it's that heartache. mm and you know, the confession was a documentary about this case. how difficult was it for the family to. to that and relive the of not having pat in their lives . well, christine cried on lives. well, christine cried on the documentary and cries. most times we say and talk about it, you know, she feels old and she looked a older sister. very, very much so . pat was almost very much so. pat was almost second mother to her. i think was a ten, 11 year age difference . and still fighting difference. and still fighting for justice, as we call it, justice for pat. and really old pat. south sites , very different pat. south sites, very different to nicola's because the police have said there's nothing sinister. whereas the police don't say that about, pat, but it's the after effects of not

having closure, as you say . and having closure, as you say. and i just hope i having closure, as you say. and ijust hope i really having closure, as you say. and i just hope i really hope the river, if it did take nicola that eventually the coming days, hopefully it will return to our loved ones . and how do you heal, loved ones. and how do you heal, sean , being so close to? this sean, being so close to? this story with patricia, when you when you hear stories , nicola's when you hear stories, nicola's story breaking, i mean, you know, i mean , everybody's heart know, i mean, everybody's heart goes out to this family. it's just you just can't imagine the horrors of as i said in my in my introduction, i loved going out for something simple , like for something simple, like taking the dog for a walk or going, you know, for kickabout in the park , then just not in the park, then just not coming back and knowing i can't get my head around the horrors of how do you feel when you hear these stories breaking, knowing what it puts families through ? i what it puts families through? i feel really sorry for nicola's family. i feel really sorry for them . and to potentially want to

them. and to potentially want to face and i hope if she is found , that is the beginning of the journey of grief . and accepting journey of grief. and accepting what may have happened to her. but, i mean it stinks. she just feels terrible for them . yeah. i feels terrible for them. yeah. i mean, it's just i mean, the. please pass on our best to christine , you know, a woman who christine, you know, a woman who has been basically grieving for her sister for 31 years. thank you so much forjoining us tonight show. and it's fantastic . talk to you and hopefully christine gets , some sort of christine gets, some sort of closure on her story. so and thank you so much, sharon. thank you. right. okay well, it's pretty sobering , isn't it? and pretty sobering, isn't it? and as i said, you know , we all just as i said, you know, we all just hope and pray that . nicola is hope and pray that. nicola is there's a happy solution to this story and that she does. they do hear that key in the loch and there is some hopefully happy endings, certainly far too little girls. but we do on after

the break. you may well have heard the news this morning that disgraced former pop star gary glitter has been free prison early after serving half his 16 year jail term . we get reaction yearjail term. we get reaction to that from . the founder of yes to that from. the founder of yes matters, gemma atkinson, who is campaigning for families, have launched appeal the length sentences .

welcome now disgraced pop star gary glitter has been free jail after serving just half of his 16 year sentence for sex offenders. the 7979 year old who has a string of hits in the 19705, has a string of hits in the 1970s, was jailed in 2050 for sexually abusing three schoolgirl girls. the sex offender who left a low security

whether they team make visit allowed to wander round in dorset will now be subject to licence conditions as well . licence conditions as well. joining me to react to this news , i know what my reaction is. i'll be sharing that soon is the founder of yes matters gemma aitchison and gemma there you are . thank you so much for are. thank you so much for joining us on a friday night. really appreciate your time. now my reaction and back in that i was a huge gary glitter fan. i have to admit, stalkers, albums . my reaction to this story today was really why gemma ? i today was really why gemma? i mean, firstly, can you just tell us a little bit about what you do and what your organisation does just so can understand where you're coming from from . where you're coming from from. so founded yes matters and what we do is we give support to . we do is we give support to. children and young people who suffer sexual abuse. so when i need help or one of their friends needs help, they come to for . us advice friends needs help, they come to for. us advice and mental health, rehabilitation and support. so they can recover

from what's happened to them and help them to identify someone . help them to identify someone. they can trust that they can tell . and the reason. and the tell. and the reason. and the reason you set this up, gemma, is very personal. you're your own sister was murdered, wasn't she ? she was a lot of what your she? she was a lot of what your previous guest, sharon, said , previous guest, sharon, said, where they with me to society was murdered when she was 16. and her murderer didn't get a whole lifetime , although we whole lifetime, although we believe he should have done and just like these girls that got the glitter has had her. our society doesn't seem to be taken seriously. violence against, women and girls and the life long implications i have . it long implications i have. it seems to be a theme very much so. this week . it does, and so. this week. it does, and i you've been sort of like quite vocal about the rape situation in scotland as well . so when you

in scotland as well. so when you first heard this news, i mean, gary glitter, i mean, he is just half of that sentence . do you half of that sentence. do you think i mean the law has ironically been changed. it was chinese last year. so they now to serve at least three quarters of their sentence . but in gary of their sentence. but in gary glitter case, we can't apply it retrospectively. so you know, serving half your sentence is , serving half your sentence is, the law. do you think that law should have applied to gary glitter and do you think if your centres 16 years you should serve those 16 years you . yeah serve those 16 years you. yeah i kind of feel like what's the point of sentences then . now point of sentences then. now actually how long are you going to get. it seems like a complete waste of time. it's insulting to the victim and the people that love the victims and also there should be something more stringent place of have have these people been properly rebuilt tainted? we saw saga last week because of probation service from prison service, didn't rehabilitate properly. i

that man came out and murdered sara . it's just not being taken sara. it's just not being taken seriously our safety isn't being taken seriously. and i think women have had enough of it. and absolutely. and especially when we do have the forces of law and order , all sorts accusations of order, all sorts accusations of misogyny, accusations at the very least. i'm so do you. i mean , the probation service are mean, the probation service are saying that gary glitter will be closely monitored. he will be limited to what he can do on the internet . he will have to stay internet. he will have to stay in a registered accommodation . in a registered accommodation. but as you say, gemma , we have but as you say, gemma, we have heard so many horror stories where people haven't been monitored when they've released. so do you have confidence gary glitter will be monitored and the women and girls around him will be safe safe ? no, this is will be safe safe? no, this is the same probation service that publicly admitted week to not being capable of risk assessment when it comes to women and girls and also in our society to, you

know, these girls that go through this, it has lifelong implications , i'm told, when implications, i'm told, when they go through these things, it has really lifelong implications . these young people and they don't you know, they can't to those implications . shaw and those implications. shaw and just get rid of them . that's not just get rid of them. that's not what happened . so i don't really what happened. so i don't really think the people that are doing this that choosing to do this to the people , they should be able the people, they should be able to just the consequences to me , to just the consequences to me, honestly , as you say, the honestly, as you say, the victims serve life sentences for this , many of them young girls. this, many of them young girls. i mean i think gary want to go against his victims when she's 11 years old. so that's a life sentence for her. and this is something not something that you can move on from. and yet the perpetrator of crimes get perpetrator of these crimes get out after, you know, half serving, half their sentence. it just seems so , so unfair to the just seems so, so unfair to the victims . just seems so, so unfair to the victims. it's just seems so, so unfair to the victims . it's massively unfair victims. it's massively unfair to them. so children and young

people who go through this, especially before they've gone puberty and development , they puberty and development, they get messages very much ingrained into them that no one believes them, that they're not anything, and that has implications for their future relations chips, for their education, for employment, because they off in their lives feeling worse , less their lives feeling worse, less . and there's very little rehabilitation resources out that comes is , you know, that comes is, you know, overwhelmed the organisation i started is overwhelmed to childline all sorts of things that there's nothing out there for them and i just don't believe that it has properly been rehabilitated . these are been rehabilitated. these are surreal and escalating offences, you know criminality, something that doesn't happen. they always do it again and they always do it well. mhm. so you're not convinced the women and girls will be safe from gary now is back out and it's , it's a kick

back out and it's, it's a kick in the teeth for not just gary's victims but victims of all the and rapists and just just finally, jemma, can you tell me, you know, if people want to get hold of your organisation how they in contact with you or twitter and tiktok and facebook . and we have our website are free and they're not limited. you don't have to be fixed in eight sessions or anything like that. if you need any help, you can come to , you'll be assigned can come to, you'll be assigned a work and that will help and support you with what you need . support you with what you need. brilliant. much, brilliant. thank you so much, jemma and is watching jemma and if anyone is watching or listening tonight who feels like do need to talk to like they do need to talk to someone. organisation someone. gemma's organisation a reminder yes matters and. you reminder is yes matters and. you can find the details online . can find the details online. thank you much for joining thank you very much for joining us, thank you very much for joining u5, , thank you very much for joining us, , and please up us, gemma, and please keep up the thank you . right. the good work. thank you. right. okay now we move on. dominic raab. i'm sorry. it's really. it's one of those nights, isn't . dominic raab has been accused

of bullying people into twice. i wonder if we've just opened a little bit to soft. we're debating that one next so don't go anywhere. we'll be back very

soon welcome back . have you got welcome back. have you got a nice cuppa in front of you now? possibly a nice glass of wine because we're moving on politics. and i don't know, just days the prime sacked his days after the prime sacked his party chairman , nadhim zahawi, party chairman, nadhim zahawi, it looks like another time bomb is ticking . rishi sunak's staff is ticking. rishi sunak's staff and cabinet . the deputy prime and cabinet. the deputy prime minister and justice secretary dominic raab has been accused of bullying by at least three senior civil servant who have given evidence to the inquiry. his behaviour. downing street has repeatedly said mr. sunak wasn't aware of formal complaints, but there is a

growing focus on what the minister knew when he appointed mr. raab as his right hand man. mr. raab as his right hand man. mr. raab as his right hand man. mr. raab himself obviously denies the allegations , but i do denies the allegations, but i do think it begs the question now when it comes to the work place and i hate to ask this but have become a little bit too soft to kate. right, to debate this . and kate. right, to debate this. and beanng kate. right, to debate this. and bearing in mind i'm coming from a tabloid background, so, you know, i'm probably slightly biased . but know, i'm probably slightly biased. but to know, i'm probably slightly biased . but to debate this, know, i'm probably slightly biased. but to debate this, i'm joined by the studio by senior , joined by the studio by senior, the eye newspaper, another newspaper slightly different, benjamin and filmmaker kerry dingle. welcome to you both . dingle. welcome to you both. thank you so much for giving up your time on friday night. right. okay. well, i've asked, have we become too soft ? so have we become too soft? so benjamin is looking at me already. i know what he's going to say on. this one, kerry benjamin, the a fine line between . what is bullying and between. what is bullying and what should be just a bit of fun in the office that i mean you know is obviously fun and banter

that can happen in an office but you know i think this idea that somehow you can't enjoy the office environment if he thought ihave office environment if he thought i have a few throwaway homophobe or comments you know this or sexist comments you know this generated mainly earlier on on this generation millennials me or gen z the under 25 who are now in the workplace. you know, i the fact that we have young people in this country who don't want have those kind of want to have those kind of abusive terms used, whether it's claimed be banter or not, the claimed to be banter or not, the fact they want to assert fact that they want to assert their they to have their rights, they want to have a life where they a solid working life where they can from home, the can work from home, away in the office. those kind of office. i think those kind of changes the better changes in the offer the better and actually. you know, a lot of young people like me, if i can stretch young to just about fit me that is stretching it me that he is stretching it a lot way you know we at lot the way you know we look at new generation afraid new generation i'm afraid i think a generational shift think it is a generational shift and think sort of and we think you were sort of you treated so badly, you you were treated so badly, you were abused. it was in was were abused. it was in it was bullying. it was stressful . and bullying. it was stressful. and actually, do actually, surely we can do better . that's think better. and that's why i think standing up and calling a lot of this bullying is for the

this stuff, bullying is for the best i just like straight hair this stuff, bullying is for the bestthatst like straight hair this stuff, bullying is for the bestthatst lione'saight hair this stuff, bullying is for the bestthatst lione's ever hair this stuff, bullying is for the bestthatst lione's ever bullied and that no one's ever bullied my entire life. no know. my entire life. no i know. i really bullied. no. really haven't been bullied. no. and being a bully and i'm not being a bully have been a boss, but i've never a bully. carrie, what you make of what just said? what benjamin has just said? well, i thought that well, if i said i thought that was b.s. benjamin, would that make me a bully? because actually, that's raab. one of the complaints against raab is that he said to a civil servant that he said to a civil servant that that's bs or he's said to gina miller, who he has a profile difference with over britain's . are you stupid or ? is britain's. are you stupid or? is it that your pockets are so deep that your you can afford to go to the courts to undermine the will of the people? now, personally, maybe a less obnoxious tone . i'd have said obnoxious tone. i'd have said exactly the same . gina miller exactly the same. gina miller and i don't accept that that's political bullying. this is politics, not the playground . politics, not the playground. and i think we are seeing the infantilized version of adults and your generation and all the

unhealthy risk weapons of that. i think benjamin because you being made to feel that you can't stand up for yourself, you must fill a form. you must go to a third party because you're not of challenging the obnoxious. and i think that's unhealthy and quite dangerous. but you do i think power dynamics have a lot to do this. so if you said that remark to me in the studio , remark to me in the studio, well, we're on an even level. we're doing the same job right now. but when you've got a secretary state, a deputy secretary of state, a deputy prime minister, no less, using that kind of language against people who are more people who are far more junior than then , i think that than him then, i think that comes a different comes across in a very different way. gina miller is way. you know, gina miller is a wealthy woman by her own work, by the way. people often try to claim it's just her husband . but claim it's just her husband. but when she's being attacked for actually in actually the law in that question, actually i think there is a question about whether he was to her, because was saying that to her, because he's trying bully her out of he's trying to bully her out of her guts, her confidence and her conviction. and think that you

conviction. and i think that you know, when have people using know, when you have people using that and we've so many that power and we've had so many examples whether it's examples of this, whether it's dominic whether dominic raab question or whether it's extreme things like it's more extreme things like sexual assault in hollywood, which have of stories are which we have of stories are this is about power. and when people power deride those people with power deride those without it, that can be workplace bullying. i mean, jacob rees—mogg that, jacob rees—mogg has said that, you people are getting you know, people are getting a bit snowflake and there is bit too snowflake and there is no actual legal of bullying. i mean , if your boss shouts at you mean, if your boss shouts at you , then that's not officially bullying that's not a legal definition of bullying. so it's like there's a you know, it's like, you know, if you want to start, if you want things , madam start, if you want things, madam fame, we want things done. and it's a bit sort of a bit shouty abouti it's a bit sort of a bit shouty about i don't see that as bullying, but maybe maybe i'm wrong. kerry well, i know i don't think that that's bullying. i you know, being dnven bullying. i you know, being driven , pushing people, driven, pushing people, challenging people . i think challenging people. i think those are all i think benjamin would agree that a really good thing. i the important thing here is this is polish ethics and i think it's totally

disingenuous if you disagree with someone to then write it off as bullying because that's basically shutting down the debate and that really has your right on there, hasn't there isn't a obvious dictionary definition, but there is there has been a massive of what the term means is, you know, it used to be that you pushed around in the playground and someone tried to nick your pocket money. and quite rightly, that's bullying and, you know, something needs to . but bring this to be done. but to bring this into and on your point, into politics and on your point, benjamin, i'm civil servants. i'm not this great. half a million a vulnerable adults are half a million. average age 44, 98, with a degree on between five and 64,000 a year. doesn't that show that the way jobs and i you go into the service and you work in ministerial department expecting to take the rough the smooth. now dominic

raab might a bit obnoxious but that goes can go across the political parties it's called the cut and thrust of argument and it argument is what democracy is based on. now i'm a huge fan. i don't know what you think of it of mondeo and new cheese in the thick of it and in the loop if you've seen the series and the thing and i think you'll find that the most the tucker character whose real very really see people i mean very obnoxious is actually based on alice the campbell as it happens . so we've seen this on all sides that people didn't use the term and shout bully, did they? but i think they should have because well, i won't comment on alastair campbell, the character in the thick of it, which i suspect familiar with, is obviously bully. he uses big, loud swearing, physical gestures to intimidate people around him . that is a prime example of bullying and i'm just not willing to accept in principle

that people who have become senior civil servants , you have senior civil servants, you have to be very bright, very hardworking, have to do an awful lot when governments are a bit rubbish . i'm lot when governments are a bit rubbish. i'm not willing to accept that they're some kind of snowflakes that don't know how to with if they to deal with minister if they become they've become a senior servant. they've deau become a senior servant. they've dealt ministers over dealt with many ministers over the is it that the years. why is it that dominic is the one that cross the line ? why that the the line? but why is it that the substance politics is longer substance politics is no longer the politics? it's not what these ministers are doing and saying and arguing for is that behaviour . saying and arguing for is that behaviour. it's how saying and arguing for is that behaviour . it's how they do saying and arguing for is that behaviour. it's how they do it. it's their tone. i think it's a tragedy that we've moved into this realm and that we either victims or bullies and i think it's damaging to and it's very degrading for those of who want to question things. i mean , i to question things. i mean, i think people who stand up to bullies or the reverse of victims, they are the people that are doing the right thing. and why i'm proud to be part of a chattering that doesn't stand for workplace for the same workplace attitudes that . you don't that were normal. you don't challenge benjamin you

challenge things. benjamin you you or you file a you complain or you file a report or you call a third party or you want someone to adjudicate. it's you know, as evolved in my when in my youth we would do things like send someone to coventry , which someone to coventry, which doesn't mean coventry near birmingham. it would, however people might think of that as possibly not speaking to them because that behaviour is not just tell me, you know, you're both women, successful women. you must i'm guessing you've been on the receiving end of , of been on the receiving end of, of sexism times or attempted , sexism at times or attempted, which a form of bullying . which is a form of bullying. yes. the high heel came in handy. yeah. quite yeah. took him out of hospital . i mean him out of hospital. i mean tabloids. abby, you of course are an extremely pleasant person to work , but tabloids have to work, but tabloids have reputation for real bullying , reputation for real bullying, speak into into an entire inquiry . only a few years ago , inquiry. only a few years ago, i've worked on tabloids pretty much all my career , and i'm the much all my career, and i'm the only person to ever attempted to bully me. depressingly was was

another woman and i dealt with it , diffusing it with humour. it, diffusing it with humour. the last thing on my mind was giving knowledge that she'd upset me in some way by finding a complaint or reporting her. i deau a complaint or reporting her. i dealt with it, and i didn't perceive it be . i perceived it perceive it be. i perceived it to be a bit of a challenge. i think the one thing i am concerned about here now, not so much with your generation but the generation below you. you're getting older . the generation below you. you're getting older. benjamin obviously not. not bullying obviously not. so not bullying its we're mollycoddling its way with we're mollycoddling youngsters , especially at youngsters, especially at university where we are putting trigger warnings on things like jane austin and what was anita in the peter pan the other day right because it might be upsetting . how do we then expect upsetting. how do we then expect these to go out into the because these to go out into the because the workplace . nice we know that the workplace. nice we know that i mean not all professions are cuddly. what are you all going to come up against? aggressive people who are go getters and not bullies necessarily . how is not bullies necessarily. how is that preparing them for real life? benjamin i mean, first of all, there is a difference, of course, being aggressive or

knowing what you want and being a know, am you a bully. you know, i am you know, i'm i'm a pretty clear person. i can be aggressive in the workplace because like to the workplace because i like to get especially when get things done, especially when you newspaper. yeah, you work at a newspaper. yeah, absolutely. know, it's absolutely. but you know, it's never i'm bully. so never suggested i'm a bully. so i that it's hard to i don't think that it's hard to be determined clear and be both determined and clear and not bully, but i think, you know, other people who are younger than you might not see your determination. you're determined attitude is that they might see as being aggressive and bullying . but i think, you and bullying. but i think, you know , when we talk about trigger know, when we talk about trigger warnings in books and things and i hate term i kind of hate the term generally for me that's about letting people know what they're in it's people in for. it's about people understanding the context of things actually should things and actually why should we pleasure from people we take pleasure from people being or offended being upset or offended needlessly in the day to day studying or lives workplaces studying or lives in workplaces ? how gets upset about peter pan, carrie loss well just pan, carrie loss well i just well think it's a classic well i think it's a classic example of where things have got out of hand , ridiculous and out of hand, ridiculous and wrong and. i'm quite prepared if people want to call me intimidating or a tyrant or

aggressive or driven any of those things because . i those things because. i profoundly disagree with . the profoundly disagree with. the idea of trigger warnings, which don't even deal with the problems that people who have cycle problems are up against, then so be it. you know, i would stick to old adage not no longer which sticks and stones will break my bones and words won't hurt me . and you know, as far as hurt me. and you know, as far as i'm aware dominic raab hasn't hit anybody , not even with the hit anybody, not even with the tomato that you chucked across the table with a very a cherry tomato, very aggressive. yeah, evidently and i think we need more robust rules , politics and more robust rules, politics and less this cajoling and soft soaping and telling young people , you know, you have to stroke and effectively lie to them for them to cope with . no, let's them to cope with. no, let's start standing up for ourselves. if people during the mine strike my day in my youth, in politics hadnt my day in my youth, in politics hadn't been prepared to take a

very strong stand and be intimidating, very strong stand and be intimidating , standing up, intimidating, standing up, things would have been even worse. unfortunately we have to move on because we have doughnuts coming up and doughnuts coming up and doughnuts wait for no man , no doughnuts wait for no man, no woman and you can't bully a doughnut . possibly these doughnut. possibly you can these days. you're so what days. maybe you're not. so what is the plight? british way to eat doughnut . i'll be eat that doughnut. i'll be asking panel to into one. no, asking my panel to into one. no, rao's on this section and show me what they think the correct way is cos i'm joined by former royal butler and etiquette expert grant harrold , who will expert grant harrold, who will correct our wrongs on time and show us the true plight british way which we should behave . way in which we should behave. luck very soon. don't luck join us very soon. don't get too far .

welcome back . this is the fun welcome back. this is the fun part of the show. i promise you. it involves doughnuts and beer ,

it involves doughnuts and beer, right? from queuing to opening car door for your date. brits have always been known for their manners and etiquette. probably not this one. but as the years pass, all these traits to fade away . right? okay i'm pass, all these traits to fade away. right? okay i'm going to put my tent and my panel the test on this one, bend and carry still with me amazingly so in front of you all. some very lovely . i'm front of you all. some very lovely. i'm reading a script looking doughnuts. right. i want you, both of you to eat your doughnut . you, both of you to eat your doughnut. how would you? you would eat it. just no pressure. just a doughnut . well, i mean, i just a doughnut. well, i mean, i would just take up. i have it. can i take a bite? yeah, cause you can be dana. oh not nice . you can be dana. oh not nice. should i die? right. how would you it, you know, would do that? seriously? no i don't eat, so i'm just. i mean, i was trying to be polite by taking a small. i don't like doughnuts. no, especially don't like ones with sprinkles on. right. so actually i'd probably that i'd probably go like that and

take sprinkles off. if i, if take the sprinkles off. if i, if i were at home, i had half that in my mouth ruining it all for you. this is really you. dawn, this is going really is in any case. right. and the reason we're doing this, not reason we're doing this, i'm not just not making this just i'm just not making this up. right and etiquette just i'm just not making this up. onjht and etiquette just i'm just not making this up. on tickedi etiquette just i'm just not making this up. on ticked calledette just i'm just not making this up. on ticked called lucy expert on ticked called lucy challenger is a real knife has posted a video where she demonstrates what she deems as the plight british way to eat a doughnut so we have a quick look i just show you how to eat doughnuts in a polite british formal western setting of course to eat your doughnut. you can pick it with your hands. although doughnuts typically are covered in a lot of sugar so it can become a rather messy affair if you were ever confronted with doughnut in a formal dining setting, i would use my dessert fork because it has a side specific actually for cutting the pudding or dessert. and of course, you can use a knife if you wish . i would take the fork you wish. i would take the fork and then i would simply cut through the doughnut . repeat the

through the doughnut. repeat the action , and then spit the action, and then spit the doughnuts with the fork and place a neat bite sized portion into mouth to eat. place a neat bite sized portion into mouth to eat . and at that into mouth to eat. and at that point , i'll into mouth to eat. and at that point, i'll probably sticking that fork in my eyes. i'm sorry . i mean, what even is a dessert fork? i've got no idea. so. but carry you with closest on cue well done. that pot because you don't like doughnuts and you just. i'm sorry common right just. i'm sorry common is right sugar back acting are prim and proper in the true british way. samuel campana and to analyse your dough not eating etiquette, i'm thrilled say i'm joined by grant harrold, former royal butler . butler even grant harrold, former royal butler. butler even an expert there you are thank you so much for us on a friday night grant i would just like to know what you make of my panel's doughnut eating etiquette what were you've seen so far getting a mom and i was quite impressed i

think with ben i almost lost out when i saw him pick up dad paddy i was quite impressed at the fact that there was a, i've got an issue with a knife and but obviously it was a dessert spoon fork which confused me a little bit. so that was the closest i would have said if you if you're trying to get it right, which obviously is obviously she's much more i'm not going to eat my doughnut because i will really embarrass myself. right. i you've little i understand you've got a little quiz as well, because quiz up for us as well, because it's just doughnuts where it's not just doughnuts where you it, is it ? i it's not just doughnuts where you it, is it? i know i just you try it, is it? i know i just mentioned the what i would have doneis mentioned the what i would have done is already pre—cut and then use fork had use your fork if you had a royal. and i have got a little i have got a little quiz and i thought through just to see how you got on. so the first thing i've got here is asparagus so you have an asparagus its own you have an asparagus on its own , you eat this ? would , how would you eat this? would you use asparagus tongs ? would you use asparagus tongs? would you use asparagus tongs? would you pick asparagus up and use the bit , the base to eat the top the bit, the base to eat the top of the soft parts you can eat the self part of the asparagus using the base to hold it or

would you use a knife fork. well carry got the doughnut right and i'd use unless i was dipping asparagus into a soft boiled egg and when you use it instead of a dip finger and it's yummy. then itold dip finger and it's yummy. then i told the asparagus but if it was on a plate and use knife and fork. yeah i use a knife. a fork. yeah i use a knife. a fork. although we do tongs here so i'm guessing. is that the right answer? no oh, i don't want the tongs if i'm a bit worried, but try to find . okay. worried, but try to find. okay. i so you would think if it was its own, if it was stamped on it. so you would use your fingers, you can pick up so you can definitely use the thicken to hold and eat the soft part . to hold and eat the soft part. but katie's mentioned, if but as as katie's mentioned, if it's on a plate with other things then also you use an apron for right we have to wait we have to wait through this up so quickly . i just i just got so quickly. i just i just got one. i've got one question. right. okay. is ever polite to dnnk right. okay. is ever polite to drink beer from the bottle? not this a personal question at all from . i'm still right. okay no,

from. i'm still right. okay no, no prime time. from. i'm still right. okay no, no prime time . right. okay. no prime time. right. okay. thank you so much for that . yes, thank you so much for that. yes, very helpful . you felt that very helpful. you felt that maybe from one year old normally from a to have anyway if you've made me feel like a right lady tonight thank you very much, kalpana. thank you so much for joining us enjoy that. joining us and enjoy that. a doughnut right ? wait, we. oh, doughnut right? wait, we. oh, right. okay. well coming up. coming up , i right. okay. well coming up. coming up, i have to go . the coming up, i have to go. the doctor is in the house sitting in for mark dolan . i don't know in for mark dolan. i don't know if there's doughnuts in that show or not better, but i'm sure it's going to be very, very exciting indeed . so don't go exciting indeed. so don't go anywhere . you've got the weather anywhere. you've got the weather coming up first. and all that reminds me do is to thank kerry and for joining reminds me do is to thank kerry and forjoining me and to wish and for joining me and to wish you all a very , very lovely you all a very, very lovely weekend . hopefully the weather weekend. hopefully the weather will be kind to us. so stay safe . love your families and. don't, don't, don't drink beer from

bottles because that's very wrong. so i'm obviously not going to that in any way shape or but just have a lovely weekend everybody .

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