good evening. welcome along once more to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on the radio box. tonight on the show, i'll be asking how much power people actually have in the face of the government. and i'll have an expert in constitution and law alongside me. we'll also investigating why gas stores have become an unlikely hot button issue in the united states of america. and we'll be debating whether we'll all need to ditch the gas guzzlers and electric cars . plus, as always,

electric cars. plus, as always, a fantastic, great person and plenty of chat with my panellists emma seel and nick taylor on. but first, an update on the latest news from our own armstrong . hi there. i'm out. armstrong. hi there. i'm out. armstrong. hi there. i'm out. armstrong in the gb news and the family of a missing mother of two have insisted there is no evidence whatsoever. she fell into the river while nicola bullies . sister louise is urging bullies. sister louise is urging people to keep an open mind and to continue the search. nicola was last seen walking her dog in lancashire last friday morning. police investigating her disappearance believe she fell into the river and say there's no evidence of anything suspicious . no evidence of anything suspicious. nicola no evidence of anything suspicious . nicola sister, suspicious. nicola sister, though, insists the river fall is just a theory. her friend heather says it's all too much for the family. heather says it's all too much for the family . as a friend of for the family. as a friend of nikki. i am struggling to see how we can take a theory as a conclusion . and you know, nikki conclusion. and you know, nikki , we need evidence to know where

nikki is. and as far as i'm aware, there they have not found any evidence. so paul and nick's parents and sister last night, a the heartbroken they all living a living hell and on top of that they have all the speculation that comes out to deal with. it's too much. it's not fair. health leaders are calling on the government to show initiative to end the ongoing series of strikes . the nhs series of strikes. the nhs confederation says the health service will struggle to clear backlogs and struggle to improve emergency care. and that's actions taken. they're warning of even longer waiting times if the current situation doesn't improve. thousands of nurses and ambulance workers will walk out on monday in what's being described as the biggest strike day the nhs will have ever seen . former medical director dr. andrew vallance says the ball is in the government's court and of course they're worried about their salaries but it's, it's feeling of lack of recognise mission. all of the work that

they do and then you see and they do and then you see and they look at other workers in they look at other workers in the nhs to a desk bound who are working normal days and they're working normal days and they're working eight or 12 hour shifts without breaks and they say why can't we get better recognition for what we do .7 a number of for what we do.7 a number of houses have for what we do? a number of houses have been evacuated in the derbyshire town of belper after a man was arrested on suspicion of explosive offences. officers were called to a property in acorn drive on friday evening and a search uncovered a number of suspicious items. 100 metre cordon has been put in place and nearby roads have been closed as bomb disposal experts assess the property. police say they don't know how long the closures will be in place for the bodies of two british aid volunteers who died during a humanitarian evacuation and have been returned to ukrainian authorities. the families of chris parry and andrew bagshaw say the pair were attempting to rescue an elderly woman from the

eastern town of soledar in early january. the bodies were returned as part of a prisoner swap between russia and ukraine that has involved nearly 200 people . and this comes as the people. and this comes as the prime minister and president zelenskyy spoke earlier today on the phone, releasing access. he's committed to ensuring military equipment reaches the front line as quickly as possible, including tanks, ukrainian soldiers began training in the uk earlier this week on challenger to battle tanks, which britain has agreed to supply to keep . the president to supply to keep. the president biden says the us will take care of a suspected chinese spy balloon that's been floating over the united states. the balloons now have been spotted over north carolina after flying over north carolina after flying over sensitive military sites in montana . a second suspected montana. a second suspected balloon has also been spotted moving over latin america . well, moving over latin america. well, earlier, the us. three of state antony blinken, postpone a planned visit to beijing ,

planned visit to beijing, calling the move a clear violation of us. sovereignty. but it did say he'd be prepared to resume his visit when conditions allow. china maintains it was, in fact, a civilian weather airship which had been blown off course . a had been blown off course. a sixth police officer has been sacked for his involvement in the death of terry nichols . the the death of terry nichols. the 29 year old died after being beaten by officers in tennessee. memphis police have named this sixth officer as preston hemphill , saying he violated hemphill, saying he violated policies on personal conduct, truthfulness and compliance with regulations regarding the use of a taser . five other officers a taser. five other officers have previously been fired and charged with second degree murder over the death of mr. nichols . and the princess of nichols. and the princess of wales has launched a photo sharing campaign on social media to raise awareness of the importance of early years development . kate led the development. kate led the campaign by posting a photograph of herself as a baby with her

father. it's part of her shaping us campaign , and she's hoping us campaign, and she's hoping people will follow suit by posting similar photographs over the weekend . tv online and dab the weekend. tv online and dab plus radio. this is gb news is back to neil oliver live . back to neil oliver live. there's a war on and not enough people know it. i'm not talking about the third world war warming up nicely between russia and the west over the weeping sore that is ukraine. but the silent war waged by parliament against we the people . it's not against we the people. it's not just between us brits and our parliament. similar wars are being waged elsewhere in the west by governments against those govern or those they seek to govern or rather dominate. but the war rather to dominate. but the war being waged here against us in these islands may be the most important. in britain , they important. here in britain, they like to tell us we have the

mother parliaments. it's mother of parliaments. it's hardly but it's good hardly true, but it's a good line the tourists. but if line for the tourists. but if our wins this it our parliament wins this war, it will consequences for the will have consequences for the whole west and the whole whole of the west and the whole of world. those aware the of the world. those aware of the silent know been going silent war know it's been going on for many years. some london schools will tell you it's been the decades, if not the stuff of decades, if not centuries, passed between generations politician and generations of politician and others. the strategic objective is total control of the people. this is being achieved not by bullets and bombs, but by stealth sleight hand and the stealth sleight of hand and the misuse legislation. those in misuse of legislation. those in pursuit of centralised power of a one world government heat island with every fibre of their being sovereign states . being sovereign nation states. that said, they deserve a special loathing for national constitutions that define the rights of people in perpetuity. total control of the sort the state has in mind requires the hoodwinking of the people into thinking. parliament is the highest power in the land that they tell us what to do. it's interesting to note that hoodwinking is a term from the art of falconry whereby a falcon with lethal talons, the swiftest attacking flight , and the

attacking flight, and the sharpest eyesight of all living creatures is kept docile and under control simply by having a little hood placed over its head.i little hood placed over its head. i called a silent war and i mean it. do you hear the dissenting voices ? can you hear dissenting voices? can you hear the rage? no that's because you're not meant to . for those you're not meant to. for those involved, it feels like most people in the country are behind sound glass, no matter how load the drumming with fists on that glass. too many carry on regardless. it feels like a bad dream in which disaster is looming in the form of a giant wave or a wall of flame and yet no one hears the alarm being raised. an end game of this raised. what an end game of this war. and unfortunately for us, right in the closing stages over these last two years or so. parliament and who would parliament and those who would control parliament finally control our parliament finally overplayed hand. and by overplayed their hand. and by the handed application of the high handed application of disastrous and draconian policies, inadvertently woke too many people up to the ruse that's being played on them. it's a zoo. after all those years of distance run, the last bunch handed the baton of the relay race for the sprint to the

finish line and proven to be the clumsiest tripping over clumsiest clowns tripping over their own feet. so much power seized so quickly went to their heads. but for all that, we have to concede that they tried the to concede that they tried the to get over the line and the definitely still trying for these last two or three years. the underdogs caught in the the underdogs caught up in the silent of literally being silent war of literally being silenced, forced to shut up. i've always considered myself to be as mild mannered as be about as mild mannered as they rules. they come. obedient to rules. respectful of authority. if you told me a few years ago that i'd be censored here in uk for be censored here in the uk for asking questions , i'd have asking questions, i'd have scoffed. here we are. and scoffed. but here we are. and here i am. like so many others, increasingly to increasingly subject to censorship online. too many broadcast citizen journalists in this country , those inclined to this country, those inclined to speak up about blatant wrongs by authority of simply being silenced . and too many have silenced. and far too many have been willingly and enthusiastically complicit in the slavish transmission of parliament's message and the suppression contrary views. suppression of contrary views. and yet, three years later, and all manner of silenced views, those that were called misinformation or ridiculed as

conspiracy theory, have been proven correct. after all, scientists, doctors and other health professionals, a handful of journalists , people from all of journalists, people from all walks of life at the reputations trashed the livelihoods destroyed. and yet they were right all along. but still, the censorship and silencing goes on. bill gates, the self—appointed lord god almighty of science and vaccines, has himself come out and admitted the so—called vaccine . he pushed the so—called vaccine. he pushed on everyone to work as advertised. if i caught him on some online channels , that some online channels, that content comes down. the so—called vaccines are being withdrawn for the under—fives and yet to ask why when those products are still described only as safe and effective, is to invite yet more science facing. last week will end like it was any kind of surprise that the government had deployed spies and sneaks to record dissenting voices and seek to have their voices silenced . have their voices silenced. among them, the 77th brigade, a psyops among them, the 77th brigade, a psyops unit of the british army that uses social media to help the government control the narrative and push its

propaganda . mp tobias ellwood , propaganda. mp tobias ellwood, chairman of the defence select committee and in my opinion, a spymaster on warming anger, is the brigade's lieutenant colonel around the world. it's the same outspoken canadian psychologist dr. jordan peterson has been threatened with the removal of his licence to practise unless he submits to , quote, social he submits to, quote, social media re—education . in other media re—education. in other words, stop seeing what you're seeing or there will be consequences . and this wall of consequences. and this wall of silence is the principal weapon. it's ruthlessly wielded by parliament and its lackeys was by far the way to silence yourself. once the silence is accepted , it is the safest way. accepted, it is the safest way. the only way, then the war is oven the only way, then the war is over. now is the time to make noise. a lot of noise. make no mistake . this is the end game. mistake. this is the end game. all of the weapons are in plain view. digital ids are almost with us. the framework of central bank digital currencies is already here . surveillance is already here. surveillance cameras are everywhere , even in cameras are everywhere, even in our phones and on the screens we carry every day. 15 minute cities of the new lockdown in the new ghettos everywhere. the

proposed opposed by the majority of the people and what happens? the councils have the audacity to ride roughshod over supposed democracy and impose them anyway. express against the wishes of the people . none of us wishes of the people. none of us voted for any of this agenda. 2013. nonsense. and does that matter? not as far as the so—called leaders are concerned. they just do it anyway. and always, it's the so—called climate crisis. the greatest hoax of modern times. that's the stick being used to beat us. the justified nation for making us poorer called a hungry, are restricted in every way. and monitored 24 hours a day. with all this ranged against us, what can we do? for a start, we can speak out loud on the power of no , no to all of it. march and no, no to all of it. march and protest before they pass. legislate and they cannot illegal as well . a principle illegal as well. a principle weapon in many ways the only weapon in many ways the only weapon we need is right here under our noses. believe it or believe it, no skull off, if you will. but it's our national coach, the chicken. given that

we are concerned , additional we are concerned, additional monarchy and in may well to watch crowned our new constitutional monarch in the form of king charles. the third right now is the perfect time to remember. and be re—educated about what our constitution says and means to cut to the chase and means to cut to the chase and expose is the lie, the blatant lie that parliament is sovereign . our constitution sovereign. our constitution makes plain that parliament is not and never can be sovereign. our constitution is older than parliament came before there was such a thing as parliament and so no parliament can alter it far less ignored it. parliament is bound by the constitution and yet cannot touch it. this fact alone must drive the would be tyrants and despots in western style up the wall with centuries of frustration. only we the people, are sovereign. only we the people have the final say , the people have the final say, the people have the final say, the absolutely final say on our governance. if you wouldn't take my word for it, how about that of john adams founding father and second president of the united states? quote, should it

be argued that a government like this , where the sovereignty this, where the sovereignty resides in the whole body of the people, a democracy. it may people, is a democracy. it may be answered that the right of the sovereignty in all nations is unalienable and indivisible and does can reside nowhere and does and can reside nowhere else. most importantly of all, even though the last, the vast majority of people have deliberately been made unaware of this crucial , crucial fact is of this crucial, crucial fact is the only we, the people, have the only we, the people, have the power to judge the justice of the laws. we choose to live by. this is not some obscure legal talk . this is simple, legal talk. this is simple, fundamental, and which is most important of all true. it should be on t—shirts and badges. every child should be taught this above all. any government that empowers itself to write legislation and also to impose the punishment for breaching that legislation is a tyranny. any people that submits to the idea that the government both makes the legislation and enforces it as a people living under a dictatorship less power,

less absolute power of the people is wielded via the duty generations of people in this country have been mis educated and to overlook this power but undeniable fact is that every duty has the power to judge the very justice of the law. when a jury very justice of the law. when a jury is a trial, even if it's proven beyond doubt, that legislation or a law has been broken. the duty may still set the accused free, indeed, of trial by jury as being exercised as defined by the constitution. even one juror finding the accused not guilty must result in a note guilty verdict. if you listen to this and think the power of the jury is awesome, thatis power of the jury is awesome, that is because it truly is. and that's why we must never allow any here today and gone tomorrow. government to try and persuade us otherwise. every day that passes when we allow our government and our judiciary to blind to that awesome truth blind us to that awesome truth is another day closer to object , tyranny, and to the rule of despots . i mentioned king

despots. i mentioned king charles. if we do, in fact, live still in a constitutional monarchy , then the monarchy, then the constitutional monarch must swear an oath to protect the rights of the people, not the rights of the people, not the rights of the people, not the rights of parliament, not of the government, but the people against all comers. for more than a thousand years, our constitutional monarchs, queen elizabeth, the second included, have sworn also to protect our national borders . our democracy national borders. our democracy is founded upon unquestioned, unchallenged sovereignty of the people. the monarch swears to protect our liberties without exception. if anyone , anyone exception. if anyone, anyone tells you that our constitution , founded upon magna carta 1215, has been set aside or superseded as simply and profoundly wrong . as simply and profoundly wrong. here's the thing, and here's how we win the war. either we live in a democracy in the form of a constitutional monarchy, or we don't . if we don't, then don't. if we don't, then parliament better at least have the decency to tell us so and furthermore to explain when and how that happened. we are free people and sovereign , but not people and sovereign, but not granted that freedom by

parliament, but by the bedrock of our constitution. indeed, by the universe . self. that the universe. self. that constitution is much older than magna carta , which was only magna carta, which was only a 1215 restatement of what was already true and understood and made real by the much older common law . i've said this common law. i've said this before and i'll keep seeing it until silence is overwhelmed until the silence is overwhelmed and we begin the long task of remember that we cannot be told what to do by government . that what to do by government. that truth is final and can only be denied by those who either don't know it or who do know it. underlying . underlying. all of that is my opinion of courses and you're free to disagree with me. so keep your tweets and emails coming all through the show. you can email gbv , use gbnews.uk or you can gbv, use gbnews.uk or you can tweet as well at gb news. i'll try to get to some of your comments later in the show. with me tonight, the businesswoman

and campaigner emma seal and author and journalist nick title . emma do you feel that you understand how much power do you have as a sovereign individual in the face of anything the government tells you to do? i think if i think if my mum was sat on the sofa by i should probably say since she was born , she , i realise that and , she, i realise that and i think it's been frustrating. i think it's been frustrating. i think the last three years have been unbelievably frustrating watching that power taken away for no reason and people just going along with it and you know, the whole covid mandates , know, the whole covid mandates, this is what we're going to do. and you know, just i think last week, you know, i wanted to smash tv watching hancox at smash the tv watching hancox at bat say, you didn't break bat and say, you didn't break the they were just the law. they were just guidelines . and there guidelines. and i sat there going , i'm guidelines. and i sat there going, i'm going guidelines. and i sat there going , i'm going to win it. it going, i'm going to win it. it was just me looking back three years ago, that was pretty much clear that you were breaking the law , you'd be fined. you could law, you'd be fined. you could be locked up. then the hoops people said, you know , was

people said, you know, was people said, you know, was people didn't sit there with , people didn't sit there with, you know, dying relatives . for you know, dying relatives. for instance, you know, because we were following the new laws that were following the new laws that were decreed to us when covid hit and yeah, so do you think do i think this should be in the schools? i think we need a re—education programme to let people know from the ground up. mm the code that they are sovereign and that they can stand in the face of authority and the government and challenge them. yeah. i mean i agree. i think as a culture we've become it's very strange . i'm writing it's very strange. i'm writing an article at the moment this weekend on sensitivity readers at publishing houses just to let everybody know what this is. basically, if you nowadays if you have a book, what you do is you have a book, what you do is you work on it with your editor and then it's copy. it's all ready to go. and then someone who's a sensitivity reader reads it anything that could it for anything that could conceivably be offensive to literally anyone . and so, yeah , literally anyone. and so, yeah, we have a very you were talking

about, you know, the how government how this is coming from government. but actually, it's sort of not necessarily a lot of places, a lot of there's so much self—censorship that's going on in places that really there shouldn't be. i mean, in publishing, you know, i think back to you know, in books like tropic of cancer or naked lunch or any number of we go through them controversial books. i mean , it was the publishing industry against the sort of the establishment it was trying to say, no, no, no freedom of speech. you know, whoever is offended by something that's in these novel run these works, i had a novel run afoul of a sensitivity reader. did you enough ? i mean, right did you enough? i mean, right back, right before any of this nonsense , but. right. five, six, nonsense, but. right. five, six, seven years ago, at a novel council for precisely that. yeah, but what troubles me, though, the way in which though, is the way in which people think that because a government makes law, passes government makes a law, passes it the commons and it it through the commons and it becomes enacted as a law, that that's it . that's it. when becomes enacted as a law, that that's it. that's it. when in fact, the conscience mission specifically states that the duty can challenge, can

disregard that law being not good enough as being an appropriate role. well, it's a it's a complex subject . i was it's a complex subject. i was thinking about this in terms of sort of it's been made complex sort of it's been made complex so that people don't know it. well, indeed. it's law, you know. yeah, but i was sort of thinking about this through a sort of rousseau versus hobbs. maybe that's too intellectual. i don't know. but you know, kind of lens whereby how much do we need sort i mean, just need to sort of i mean, just playing devil's advocate, how much a sort of strong much do we need a sort of strong government that will down government that will lay down the sometimes. we'll come the rules sometimes. we'll come back this subject after back to this very subject after the break. but we've got that bonus note. we'll we will get back this discussion about back into this discussion about whether we live in a constitutional democracy or not. and have here in and i'll have an expert here in the to tell us more .

welcome back to neil oliver live . in may, we will be invited to watch the coronation of our

constitutional monarch. for most, it will be nothing more than a fancy pants ceremony full of pomp and circumstance . lots of pomp and circumstance. lots of pomp and circumstance. lots of colour and pageantry. how many of you will pause to consider how central and fundamental our constitution is? the crowning and anointing of the monarch? my next guest, constitutional expert, will kit, joins me to consider and this is a question that troubles me greatly. whether or not we live in a constitutional democracy. well thank you for joining us. when this is something that's goes to the fundamental power that each of us has , why have we that each of us has, why have we all forgotten it or never been told it ? i all forgotten it or never been told it? i think all forgotten it or never been told it ? i think largely that's told it? i think largely that's because we've been how to educated out of this. and so we were just talking about that before and has why is that the case? i think there's been some fun and games going on behind the scenes because it's not good for a palace and called power to

have a citizen that is properly aware of its constitutional powers. so but it is true, is it not? is the people. it's never parliament that's sovereign , parliament that's sovereign, right? it's always and always not meant to be. correct parliament. yes. as long as you constitution is based on common law that would be described as a proper dynamic cratic constitution, not because of voting in elections . and we'll voting in elections. and we'll come on about that later because that's actually adult suffrage. but the term democracy actually means something else. so there's another concealed hidden mechanism within the constitution, that sort of been rather airbrushed out of our our consciousness over a very long penod consciousness over a very long period of time. and as i mentioned and touched on in that at the top of the show is the duty, isn't it, that people just think they just go in there? 12 obedient people judge more or less tells them what to do. and that's end of it. yes what is that's an end of it. yes what is the function of the really the function of the duty really ? yes. the i mean, we all ? yes. the jury i mean, we all know first function of know of the first function of the which is essentially

the jury, which is essentially to the accused person to judge the accused person before the court . but the before before the court. but the hidden too concealed second purpose of the jury. that's the key. and what that is , is key. and what that is, is actually to judge the justice of the piece of legislation that brought the defendant into court . so to put that another way , . so to put that another way, you're actually, as a jury , you're actually, as a jury, judging two things. so when the defendant comes into court , defendant comes into court, you're judging the defendant, but you're kind of weighing that and balancing it against the piece of legislation, the statue that actually brought the men to court the jury has the right court and the jury has the right , the independent right to judge on the justice of that piece of legislation as well. so the jury is not bound by the legislation ? no. in any say no , not at all. ? no. in any say no, not at all. absolutely not. so this is called jury independence . now, called jury independence. now, i mean, they're a bit coy about this. and that's why we're not being told it's one of the it's a very concealed concept. and generally speaking, juries are not told of their power and

their right to judge the justice of the law. but they are absolutely they have the right to judge to judge on that independently of the legislation. so you know, in the last couple of years, when legislation was was coming down and there was emergency powers and there was emergency powers and all of the rest of it, and we were invited to think that, well, it's an emergency and you'll have to it at you'll just have to do it at all. yes, that wasn't the case in terms of the independ. okay. so it's a little bit more complicated, not simply because as they shouldn't be as soon as they shouldn't be passing through passing legislation through through parliament, through the legislature, and there are a number of checks and balances that are meant to be in place to make sure that legislate an act of parliament that are proposed three bills of parliament are meant to be checked. first in the upper house and then, of course, through the royal prerogative. and a lot of people get a bit fussy about the royal prerogative, but they don't actually realise that that's a protection mechanism for legislation would legislation that would be contrary to the to the

constitution and contrary to the liberties of the people . we are liberties of the people. we are ianed liberties of the people. we are invited , aren't we, to think invited, aren't we, to think that the crown, the monarch is just a figurehead, but that we're not. no. and cannot be true. no. they're they're the highest ranking public servant in the land that's first among equals. and whose side are they meant to be on? well, they're meant to be on? well, they're meant to be on? well, they're meant to be on the people. they're meant to be protecting the people, the people's liberties. yeah, absolutely. that's the point of the constitution. and so they are the sovereign , but they cede the sovereign, but they cede sovereignty to the people through that power of cheery independence . trial by jury. independence. trial by jury. that's how it's meant to work. and so not how it is working now. and so in terms of, you know , what happened while we know, what happened while we were within the european union. yeah how lawful was that? that the national law final decision making power of the sovereignty was ceded to brussels . it was ceded to brussels. it completely unlawful here . yeah,

completely unlawful here. yeah, absolutely contrary to the constitution . i mean, do we live constitution. i mean, do we live 7 constitution. i mean, do we live ? are we is this a functioning democracy or not? okay. so it depends on what you mean by the term democracy because there's been a bit of a twist in that word. and of course, we're taught to well conditioned, if you like, into to thinking that the term democracy actually is all about voting in elections. it's about the majority vote . it's about the majority vote. and it's not actually that is aduu and it's not actually that is adult suffrage . the real meaning adult suffrage. the real meaning of democracy is specifically the emplacement of a mechanism into your constitution that allows the people, through the jury, to be the final arbiter of law . and be the final arbiter of law. and that tradition goes all the way back through early england. the engush back through early england. the english constitutional common law , prior to the 1215 magna law, prior to the 1215 magna carta, the late saxon kings into europe as well, most of the european nations were

functioning on common law as well , and functioning on common law as well, and then even back into ancient the athenian constitution and greece doing that, we know, or is it just me that, we know, or is it just me that we don't get we don't get all this? well, not invited to know this about the powers that we have, which strikes me as fundamentally sinister . well, fundamentally sinister. well, hold these powers are there, you know, a constant issue which we are supposed to care about . but are supposed to care about. but if you actually make people aware of what's in the constitution , it fairly knocks constitution, it fairly knocks the knees out from the government. i mean, i suppose i'd probably put it on the other i'd probably put it on the other i'd probably put it on the other i'd probably put it like this. i mean, you know, voting in a general election is like , what, general election is like, what, usually about 60% turnout, something like that. so we can't even get people . all they have even get people. all they have to do is go to a ballot box and, you know, vote for somebody and actually just getting them to care that much about it. i remember trying to register people outside of asda once. people outside of an asda once. oh mean, just oh my god. i mean, just literally can you just take literally just can you just take this do that. this form? i don't do that. that's not for me. i like i if i

was trying to sell them something was again, it was remarkable. it's dismal, isn't it? the decent franchise? yeah, i think that their own i think that from their own power, it's . i know. you power, it's. i know. so, you know, even if even though people have vote mostly. have the power to vote mostly. i know. well. well we're political nomads after especially after the last , you know, three years. the last, you know, three years. and even before that, the last decade is, well, what you decade is, well, what are you voting for? we voting for? voting for? who we voting for? do we trust you we're voting for? know, the behaviour for? and you know, the behaviour , just been absolute , , it's just been an absolute, you of you know, cesspit of incompetence and how do you know who you know as, as nick says people no wonder people get this disenchanted by because it changes nothing and so people have that pushed them , oh, vote have that pushed them, oh, vote yes, vote. that's your decision making power and what that being what's being hidden from them is the fact that regardless of what the fact that regardless of what the is, you can enter the government is, you can enter via any stage with either duty to see this legislation is nonsense. it's a much more direct power constitutionally that we actually have. that's

how the people have the authority over their own governing administer nation through that mechanism . but the through that mechanism. but the whole sort of introduction and the increase in the, the size and stature of parliament is in and stature of parliament is in a way all about that obfuscation and that confusion in the minds of the people in the actually , of the people in the actually, they, you know, we've we've now arrived at a situation where we believe that the influence and that's really all it is a little bit of influence here. and there is actually through this mechanism of voting in elections. but actually when you think about that, that system, the party political system really only emerged in the sort of mid 1700s. and yet we talk about democracy as something, you know , having come come from you know, having come come from this sort of history this sort of ancient history going back to the time of greece , it's actually the time of police , the me. it's prior to police, the me. it's prior to plato and socrates, they invited us to forget our power. yeah. and only handed, as was the opportune every now and again to vote for one another. cheek from

the same bottom. yep and that's supposed to be a democracy . supposed to be a democracy. well, thanks so much. i can talk to you endlessly about this. please again tell us please come again and tell us more. such important topic more. such an important topic with coronation coming up in with the coronation coming up in may. some of the break already after we'll be delving after that, we'll be delving into . over gas stoves, into that. over gas stoves, which president joe biden and the democrats managed to the democrats have managed to cook in america. see you cook up over in america. see you in minutes .

here we are again, neil oliver live of every day and every we are so—called leaders stick their noses into yet more of our business. you name it, they're coming after our cars, our food, our energy supply, our money. they're already about to take away our gas boilers and even the humble wood burning stove . the humble wood burning stove. it's an endless pillaging of the minutia of our lives over in the united states of america. it's the same biden's law what to stop americans having gas stoves to cook on. but the world and

ways of life is heating up there with floated a governor ron desantis announcing plans to subsidise gas stoves. desantis announcing plans to subsidise gas stoves . desantis subsidise gas stoves. desantis is not alone in sending a note of defiance. commentary to matt walsh was quoted saying , you'll walsh was quoted saying, you'll have to pry my gas to from a cold, dead hands. my have to pry my gas to from a cold, dead hands . my next guest cold, dead hands. my next guest is greg swenson, founding partner of republicans overseas uk . greg, thanks for coming in. uk. greg, thanks for coming in. good to be here, neal. how is biden's on gas stoves going for them ? not well. not well because them? not well. not well because he tried it. you know, this is classic of the progressive left when they can't pass legislation the way it's supposed to be done through , congress or through through, congress or through state legislatures . they they state legislatures. they they work it through the bloated regulatory state. so it's unconstitutional frankly. and so they use these these permanent burack rats that have been placed by, you know, or appointed by biden. so they're unelected bureaucrats . first, he unelected bureaucrats. first, he tried it with the consumer product safety commission and they tried to use this thing

called the federal hazardous hazardous substances act. there's just generations of bloat . so they tried to appeal bloat. so they tried to appeal to you know, they tried to use that act to ban gas cars to. what about your health? yeah, they claim that they some some obscure study nobody believes and they tried that . and then and they tried that. and then they tried cost savings because it's going to save $21 over the life of the stove so a 20 year life of the stove so a 20 year life of the stove. it saves $21. meanwhile, this is the same these are the same people who have been very hostile to the energy sector and have created, you know, 60% higher energy costs for the deplorables, for the people . so it's absolutely the people. so it's absolutely shameful. and so anyway, on joe manchin and others pushed back against the consumer product safety commission and the white house said okay you know we're backing away from that. and a week later, they deployed the energy department, jennifer granholm , to just use a granholm, to just use a

different bureaucratic big state department to ban the stove. so i don't think it will work. i think there's already been pushback and i just don't think it'll fly. and it's just people have said enough. so how is how is would you read ron desantis is would you read ron desantis is a tactic over the last while because he does seem to be at least grabbing headlines. yeah it's brilliant. you know, he knows he's got a gift for understanding what's triggering people , what's making people people, what's making people angry. and he's done it several times on other issues, which we can talk about. but in this case, you know, he's only the governor of florida, can't really control federal policy. but he makes the statements and he makes it he makes it easier for everyone else to push back . for everyone else to push back. and so what that what he did this week is basically said there'll be no sales tax on gas stoves and that was brilliant because it appealed to people andifs because it appealed to people and it's just he calls out the absurdity of these government bureaucrats being, you know,

basically expanding the nanny state. he does . people just state. he does. people just don't tolerate it. he does certainly seem to speak to the people in a way that joe biden's people in a way that joe biden's people definitely do now, almost as though they don't want to almost as office on their chest, annoy the purists. their appeal is to the blue state. you populations and basically washington new york and. so that's their appeal . they're that's their appeal. they're only speaking to a very small part of the population that is, you know, that went to the same schools as they did. and they they love this virtue signalling kind of legislation, although as said, it's not even legislation. they know it would fail if they tried to make the case to the legislatures or to the congress . so instead, they go through their friends in the bureaucracy. but would would rather to send governor desantis has done is push back he knows the put the hot buttons that appeal to people he pushed back against the absurd advanced placement for african placement course for african study african—american studies that was just loaded with

marxist garbage. she pushed back against that. he fought against, you know, disney. and there , you you know, disney. and there, you know, their advocacy of teaching, you know, 55 and six year olds, all kinds of garbage about, you know, you know, gender issues and all that business pushback . gender issues and all that business pushback. he sent 50 illegal immigrants to martha's vineyard , which i thought was vineyard, which i thought was hysterical . they only lasted two hysterical. they only lasted two days there because the people on the vineyard love immigration. illegal immigration , but not if illegal immigration, but not if it's in their backyard. so he's done this in a in a in a couple of spots. he just overhauled the board at a small university in florida called new college and just basically brought in a diversity of thought and just so he's really pushed back against woke ism and he's and he's done it again with the stove issue this week and it's interesting is it the same things are annoying so many people here are being are being imposed upon people of the people in the seat of the atlantic the proving just atlantic and the proving just as annoying there. annoying to the people there. yeah. i think that's with

yeah. and i think that's with the is it fits into what we're previously talking about is that he's doing it for people and he's doing it for the people and he's doing it for the people and he ignonng he's doing it for the people and he ignoring the legislation he is ignoring the legislation and think because and what people think because it's legislation. you know, it's not legislation. you know, he's and showing that he's he and showing that actually just because biden says that you know like in this country just because boris something or she now says something or she now says something mean that you something doesn't mean that you have is this have you know is this micromanagement everyone's had enough know you should enough of you know you should eat you should that eat this you should drive that car. to this car. you should go to this place. you should travel here. you should you know, it's sort everything's being on our everything's being pushed on our throat moment, us throat at the moment, telling us to and i think and what to what do. and i think and what to what do. and i think and what to what do. and i think and what to what not to say to say and what not to say that's going to offend someone. that's also going offend that's also going to offend someone. it sort of i just think people point people have got to this point now going off. can just now of going off. can we just live and our own decisions? live and make our own decisions? but do you think so, nick? do you think people have had enough whole and the and whole agenda 20, 30 and the and the in which being the way in which we're being told, know what gender told, you know what gender means? means? oh, yes, means? what race means? oh, yes, yes. and i think actually that's what into. what dissent is playing into. and actually, i think the desantis could probably get somewhere with of actually

somewhere with a lot of actually traditional democrat voters who just kind of in just sort of kind of actually in the the ballot box go the quiet of the ballot box go don't too much. and don't like that too much. and actually, can see desantis, don't like that too much. and actu know, can see desantis, don't like that too much. and actu know, desantis)esantis, don't like that too much. and actu know, desantis versus 5, don't like that too much. and actu know, desantis versus versus you know, desantis versus versus biden, if in biden's biden, if you're in biden's camp, can imagine them camp, i can imagine them really being desantis going, being scared of desantis going, you know, you've got this very old, frail, kind of all over the place, biden versus , you know, a place, biden versus, you know, a guy who kind of looks like someone the president of someone play the president of the hollywood the united states in a hollywood movie, i mean, that's movie, you know? i mean, that's that's of the centres. but that's kind of the centres. but i've question for greg i've got a question for greg because seems like, you know, because it seems like, you know, if i'm biden's people, i'm really about desantis really worried about desantis and trump that. and i'm praying trump wins that. i'm the i'm praying trump gets the nomination because you're nomination just because you're you're against trump. well you're texas against trump. well it's texas against dissent it's easy. texas against dissent is much harder, right. i think. and there's a lot of merit to that argument. and you're seeing that argument. and you're seeing that in the polls. you're also seeing it with donors, the seeing it with the donors, the big in america. and big donors in america. and so, you trump still a great you know, trump still a great appeal. and he's got, know , appeal. and he's got, you know, it's 30% roughly of the republican party who are still massively supporting him. but there's great merit to that argument. and i think desantis

and number of candidates, and or any number of candidates, but especially desantis , but especially desantis, absolutely crush biden the general. and that's not really a lock for trump , you know, and lock for trump, you know, and because it was so in 2016 against a terribly flawed candidate and mrs. clinton was just unlikeable and then he lost in two in 2020. so yeah, there's i think that's something that's worrying a lot of republicans right now? well, he doesn't i don't understand why donald trump doesn't just take the opportunity to position himself as a mentor figure . yeah. you as a mentor figure. yeah. you know, be the father of the house almost , metaphorically, if not, almost, metaphorically, if not, if not literally , just be the if not literally, just be the elder statesman . it would be. elder statesman. it would be. i think it would . fantastic. and think it would. fantastic. and when you think about it, the likely candidates besides trump and especially in desantis , and especially in desantis, they're very much like trump. you know, they're fighters. trump desantis is the best at it. but even mike pompeo , kristi it. but even mike pompeo, kristi noem and south dakota, you know, they're willing to push back against wokeism, against

government overreach and big state overreach. so, you know , state overreach. so, you know, and so they're this is not the country club, the republican party of 2016. that ship has sailed . and i think i think it sailed. and i think i think it would be a great move for trump to do that. i was i was talking, you know, at the top of the show about the way in which people have been misled, educated into thinking they're powerless , thinking they're powerless, right next to powerless. and that what government says that what the government says goes on the other side of the atlantic. oh it almost feels as if the democrat party , the if the democrat party, the democratic party, are are doing something to almost leave the people live with no alternative but to vote for someone else. yeah.i but to vote for someone else. yeah. i mean, if you would laying out policies to, to make people see that unless they go with the other guy, they're going to be powerless. they're going to be powerless. they're going nothing . right. going to have nothing. right. it's amazing that they that. it's amazing that they do that. and used be perceived as and they used to be perceived as the party of working man of the party of the working man of the party of the working man of the people. and that's the regular people. and that's flipped completely because all they about or they they really care about or they seem be focussed with their

seem to be focussed with their legislation, with their politics on this so—called elite . you on this so—called elite. you know, the people that went to yale was all their friends yale was with all their friends saying to the people, we saying to the people, yeah, we know disagree with us, know you disagree with us, right? know you're going to right? we know you're going to do or do it anyway, stoves or whatever, we don't. and whatever, but we don't. and that's that's another reason why desantis just crushed during desantis just crushed it during the insanity. you the whole covid insanity. you know, he followed the science , know, he followed the science, unlike the other virtue signal or. yeah, the virtue signals and fallacy that we're saying that we're scientists and we're following science. and they weren't he understood weren't. but also he understood that he's not a dictator, even if did believe in some of the if he did believe in some of the of the lies coming from foushee and the rest of them, even if he did believe that which he didn't, but he knew that he didn't, but he knew that he didn't have the right to tell people that couldn't go people that they couldn't go to their and couldn't their business and they couldn't send to school, send their children to school, and force you to and they couldn't force you to have a vaccine, even though he was, you know, especially early on, advocate of vaccinations, on, an advocate of vaccinations, it's state and he it's an elderly state and he was, you know, very proactive about that. but he said, i can't make that a rule. he standing make that a rule. is he standing up for the constitution?

absolutely. again which is what i'm harping on about here. you know, was he was saying this know, he was he was saying this is unconstitutional. that's exactly unless i allow to us know. right. you don't have to do i don't have the right to force your four year old to wear a mask or to listen some idiot talk about gender or, you know, binary genders or whatever. you know, that's just not the role of, you know, the parents and the parents have a right and he's protected . so not only does he's protected. so not only does he's protected. so not only does he fight the wokeism and does it brilliantly, but he's at the same time he's protecting the people , if only we. and that's people, if only we. and that's his job. and this side of the atlantic, he was standing up and reminding people about our constitution and reminding us that we like our brothers and sisters in america, have the power as the people we need. we need more of that. and you know, you're seeing the pushback already . this is why glenn already. this is why glenn youngkin won in virginia a year after biden won that state by ten points because he stood up for parents and he up for

for parents and he stood up for children stood up against children and stood up against the teachers clearly the teachers unions who clearly don't about children or don't care about children or parents. so it's a it's healthy, it's refreshing . see, it's not it's refreshing. see, it's not perfect yet . but i think we're perfect yet. but i think we're seeing that the pushback and people are just fed up. just fed up.thank people are just fed up. just fed up. thank you , greg. good to be up. thank you, greg. good to be here. thank you. good to hear your insight. thank you so much. it's another break, everyone. it seems like more and more drivers are going electric, but are they right do? quentin wilson right to do? quentin wilson knows plenty about motoring and he here break to he will be here the break to discuss it .

welcome back to neil oliver live . now drivers are committed to an electric future . apparently an electric future. apparently that's the finding of an a pool of 13,000 drivers in the uk , of 13,000 drivers in the uk, with the majority saying they plan to switch to electric vehicles before 2030. the deadune vehicles before 2030. the deadline for ending the sale of new internal combustion engine

cars , young drivers or the cars, young drivers or the keenest of all 88% of those polled pledging to switch while drivers over 6540 2% of those polled said they would never do so. and my next guest knows a thing or two about driving and cars. that's quentin willson and he joins me now. good evening. quentin. hi pulling as with all pulls, you can see that it's questions and you ask them always. yeah so you're an you're an advocate of the electric vehicle . tell me why what have vehicle. tell me why what have been driving them? ford last 12 years. every day and they are the default charts for in the wilson household and you know i take the kids to school and the mums at the gate would point and laugh . but here we are now and laugh. but here we are now and the electric car i've got will do 300 miles to one charge and doesn't ever have to go to a garage . the tyres don't wear garage. the tyres don't wear out. it's made of aluminium. it

doesn't rust. so for me, look, it's a great thing and i campaign for electric cars because i believe a new car is green . neil absolutely . it's green. neil absolutely. it's about air quality . the emissions about air quality. the emissions from that car, ozone row and all the research that we have shows that these ultrafine particles that these ultrafine particles that come from diesel and petrol have a really, really detriment effect on our health outside . as effect on our health outside. as dementia cancer there was a study last week in california asthma. so this has to be a good thing . but what about when you thing. but what about when you factor the energy in the production, which has to be factored in across the lifetime of the electric vehicle? now, as i understand it, when you factor all of that in and they're all bundling, the production of electric vehicles is burning fossil fuels . it's about three fossil fuels. it's about three quarters is what the electric car uses compared to the you know, 100% the four quarters that an internal combustion car produces across its lifetime . if produces across its lifetime. if you factor in how much energy

goes into its production, so you when the cars are running it's been made and it's running on the road. it's not generating pollution, but that pollution is already there as a as a product of its that you you when you make a combustion and then the oil that you take out the ground and then you refine and then you transport. do you believe ships in which on diesel to get to where it really want to be? do you believe that the plan is genuinely for 30 million petrol cars diesel cars to be replaced with same number of electric vehicles ? because i think it's vehicles? because i think it's about having fewer cars. it is about having fewer cars. it is about having fewer cars, a lot fewer cars that we have. and absolutely, we need fewer cars. but the cars that we have must be as clean as possible in terms of emissions. and that's what electric were about. they're also now a gateway to a transition from fossil fuels to renewable hydro , wind, solar , renewable hydro, wind, solar,

all these important you can make renewable oil, you can make electric vehicles with renewable energy because there's not enough energy in it. so what opfions enough energy in it. so what options when, when, when the first generation of electric . first generation of electric. well, i know you've been at this for a long time, but this generation , electric vehicles, generation, electric vehicles, when they come to end of when they come to the end of their if in 20 years time their lives, if in 20 years time we've done away with the conventional energy supplies that we've been using up until now. and it's all about we're not going to have the energy. and we're also not going to have the necessary raw material to produce the next generation, the next iteration of those electric vehicles. so you can't say that with any certainty. now without looking into your crystal ball and the materials for batteries. yes, this is lithium and that's cobalt. and there are issues with those. but we don't know how much lithium there is in the world because we've only just started looking it the started looking for it in the last five, ten years. and there's loads and loads under there's loads and loads under the sea through more the sea through mining more ecosystems to be destroyed. well

more more displaced more toxicity, more displaced people . doesn't that as people. doesn't oil do that as well? yes, but but the point that the green alternative, the electric vehicle being sold to us as a clean green alternative and i see that's a bait and switch. it's a cleaner car in urban areas because of its emissions. no car is green. neil it's as simple as that. emissions. no car is green. neil it's as simple as that . these it's as simple as that. these are greener than combustion cars and that's the point. the carbon emissions you make from mining, oil drilling , oil and mining oil drilling, oil and mining lithium. yeah, we don't don't want that. but we will have better battery chemistries where you don't have things like even bill gates and his big but how to cure the climate crisis says that the batteries are almost at their peak now you might get you might get more from another generation of batteries but you're never going to get the efficiency from efficiency that you get from conventional fuel if bill gates concedes that. but he's he's not a battery expert like it doesn't he's not an expert on anything. it doesn't look, this is nascent technology , neil. so why are we technology, neil. so why are we trying to shoot it down when the goals are cleaner ? our energy

goals are cleaner? our energy independence and cheaper energy for all? where are you going to get the infrastructure? where are you going to get the infrastructure from? for all of electric vehicles? what's going to power them? we're to to power them? we're going to have it and it's going have to build it and it's going to have to a mixture of to have to be a mixture of nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, and there be gas involved there will be gas involved there, but it will be create even less pollution than we have at the moment. so, look, if the goal of cleaning up our atmosphere and not being reliance on fossil fuels and hydrocarbons and buying them for ever increasingly high prices, that's a laudable social goal, isn't it? emma do you see my frustration with this? yeah, i'm not going to be honest with you. they you know, and you touched on it earlier, they the base of it is a seven electric cars have 70% more carbon. that's not been proven. the fact that out there like volvo did a must on the carbon footprint of the electric of their car was way higher than the it was something that they

had to the electrical had to go 150,000 kilometres before it became as easy as that and that's a lithium batteries let's talk about the child labour you know mining the 70% of lithium and all the mines and they and that's child labour. okay so the cities in the uk have cleaner and i've got a hard right to i would rather on my concerns know that what i'm driving as a whole from the minute it was a concept and produce is better for the world as a whole. no. oh it's going to be more economic. you know, environmentally friendly and diesel. and i am in my hybnd and diesel. and i am in my hybrid car. i say it's a meeting switch. i think we're being sold it because say it's better for the planet . and i see the the planet. and i see the reality is it's anything but that's my you have half of you won't have a v of anything you like as far as i'm concerned. and you can afford it. but don't tell me that it's even the plan. where does that take us now? well, me it's

well, just don't tell me it's even planet is not saving, the planet cleaning around and planet is cleaning around and changing our energy systems. i mean, would agree on the mean, i would agree on the cleaning having cleaning the air thing having lived for 25 years, lived in london for 25 years, i might might it's my lungs are certainly paid the for certainly paid the price for that and actually having less having less emissions in the air would be would be great. and if we can do it without actually we're just changing the car so i guess my real worry is about infrastructure and where that's going to come from. that's my that's that's my only hang up. it's just wet. where's it coming from about biden earlier on and his infrastructure reduction act that's what 300 billion now that's what 300 billion now that's what 300 billion now that's what this government needs to start thinking about, how we going to build this stuff and going to create and how are we going to create economic activity and jobs and they're going to have to fill it because we've just run out of time. quentin wilson, motoring expert, thank you so much. it's another conversation that could go on. it's coming to go on and on. it's coming up to 7:00. this neil oliver live 7:00. this is neil oliver live on online on dab plus on tv, online and on dab plus radio. up after the break radio. coming up after the break in, second part of the show

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good evening, lovely people. and welcome back to neil oliver live. what gb news tv and on video tonight on the second hour of the show, a shortened you're talking to this week's great britain is going to be a skydive from 10,000 feet to raise money to support students special to support students with special educational disabilities educational needs disabilities as not being a great time for farmers . the help is hoped for farmers. the help is hoped for at home for some. we'll be learning about a new website which help them to sell the products more locally and maybe cut out the bigger cut out some of the bigger supermarkets and the rest the supermarkets and the rest of the middlemen. the middlemen. i'll be meeting the woman made the powerful new woman who made the powerful new documentary lifts documentary film, which lifts the dubious

the lid on some dubious practises in the fashion industry . plus, by practises in the fashion industry. plus, by becoming a driving instructor, it's becoming an increasingly popular second job. and her takeaway pasta has become the latest big food fad . but first, an update food fad. but first, an update on the news from around armstrong . hi there. i'm ahmed armstrong. hi there. i'm ahmed armstrong. hi there. i'm ahmed armstrong in the gb newsroom. this just into us. officers investigating disappearance of nicola woolley are appealing for a key witness who they believe was in the area that morning. now, the 45 year old mother of two was last seen walking her dog in lancashire last friday and officers now say they want to speak to a woman wearing a yellow coat who is seen on cctv pushing a pram in the area where the dog walker disappeared . and the dog walker disappeared. and a close family have have questioned the official police theory that she fell into the river. our friend heather says it's all taking a heavy toll . as it's all taking a heavy toll. as a of nikki, i am a friend of nikki, i am struggling to see how we can

take a theory as a conclusion . take a theory as a conclusion. and you know, nikki , we need and you know, nikki, we need evidence to know where nikki is. and as far as i'm aware, there they have not found any evidence. so paul and nick's parents and sister last night, a the heartbroken they all living a living hell and on top of that they have all the speculation that comes out to deal with it's too much it's not fair . that comes out to deal with it's too much it's not fair. house leaders are calling on the government to show initiative to and the ongoing series of strikes . the nhs confederation strikes. the nhs confederation says the health service will struggle to clear backlogs and improve emergency care unless actions taken . they're warning actions taken. they're warning of even longer waiting times . if of even longer waiting times. if the current situation doesn't improve , thousands of nurses and improve, thousands of nurses and ambulance workers will walk out on monday in what's being described as the biggest strike day the nhs will have ever seen . a number of houses have been evacuated in the derbyshire town of belper after a man was

arrested on suspicion of explosives offences. officers were called to a property in acorn drive on friday evening. the search uncovered a number of suspicious items. 100 metre cordon remains in place. nearby roads have been closed as bomb disposal experts assess the property . police say they don't property. police say they don't know how long the closures will be in force for the bodies of two british aid volunteers who died during a humanitarian evacuation and have been returned to ukrainian authorities . the families of authorities. the families of chris parry and andrew bagshaw say the pair were attempting to rescue an elderly woman from the embattled eastern town of soledar in early january. the bodies were returned as part of a prisoner swap between russia and ukraine involving nearly 200 people on. president joe biden says the united states will take care of a suspected chinese spy balloon that's been floating over the country. the balloon has been spotted now over north

carolina having flown over sensitive military sites in montana . a second suspected montana. a second suspected balloon was earlier moving over latin america. china maintains it was a civilian . whether our it was a civilian. whether our ship, which had merely been blown off course . tv online and blown off course. tv online and dab radio. this is gb news. now back to neil oliver live . back to neil oliver live. thank you for that. tonight, great britain is throwing herself into an effort to raise funds for charity supporting students with special needs. in point of fact, tia hughes from shropshire plans to actually threw herself out of a plane at 10,000 feet. her first ever skydive, tia joins me now. good evening to thanks for joining us. hello. what did family say

when you told them you're going to jump out of a plane ? my mum to jump out of a plane? my mum and her partner were happy because they did it charity themselves and that my partner said you'll pay me not to do it . it's you've a few weeks to go. it's in april. how are you? how are your nerves? when you're waking up in the morning? is it something you think of and you're looking forward to or not? and not really about it. the moment when it comes to it, i think i'll be very nervous and you see? you see your. you see your moment and partner have done this themselves. it is skydiving or or in whatever form you jump at the back of a plane. it's something you think you would have done anyway. was it was it on your on your wish list? your bucket list? i've always thought about it. i never thought i'd go through with it. so do you think it'll be the first of many? do you think can

you see yourself taking this up as a as a pastime and. depends. i would i as a as a pastime and. depends. iwould i go as a as a pastime and. depends. i would i go tell me. tell me about the college that you where you work at derwen college in oswestry. you tell me about the way in which it's that it's that's the encounters you have there that's inspired you to this to this act. there that's inspired you to this to this act . and so we this to this act. and so we teach and young adults with disabilities to be more independent and to live normal lives like we do . and we lives like we do. and we challenge our students on daily bafis challenge our students on daily basis to push and we push them out their comfort zones. so we as staff need to be leading as a region by example . and so that's region by example. and so that's what i'm trying today, especially myself at my comfort zone. especially myself at my comfort zone . yes, i think it's hard to zone. yes, i think it's hard to imagine being further out of a person's comfort zone than jumping at the back of a plane. i think it's safe to say you'll be leaving your comfort zone. come to and emma is this

something you've written for? contemplate would you jump? would you would you skydive ? you would you would you skydive? you know, i'm terrified of heights. so the ideal of i love pushing myself out of my comfort zone for sport stuff. and i've done a lot of crazy challenges the world. but i always say that the bungee bungee jumping jumping bungee bungee jumping orjumping on even go on on aeroplane, i can't even go on a without my stomach a swing without my stomach wanting to out on. so i've wanting to come out on. so i've always i've always drawn the line at you know, over the years when i was making a different kind of television, you know, i was asked to do all sorts of things, you know, been up in stunt planes have abseiled stunt planes and have abseiled and dived. because and a scuba dived. and because i've always said i've kids, i always said i wouldn't out of a plane wouldn't jump out of a plane because just in case the parachute doesn't open for me, that's just the start. do you find would you do it? i haven't exactly . you've just actually exactly. you've just actually said i was thinking said exactly what i was thinking was i younger and was when i was younger and didn't kids, i might have i didn't have kids, i might have i might have gone, yeah, let's do it. now that i'm a bit older, you know, tired and have three kids, it's place in the back of

your mind. why why am i risking my life? and in a sense, they're , you know, something about their future. what about the land based off, you know , have land based off, you know, have you ever. have you done the likes of have you bungee jump or have you done any of those other kind of adrenaline junkie type pastime pastime ? and i've done a pastime pastime? and i've done a bit about sailing and scuba diving, but i started at how much do you think you'll be looking to race in terms of the fundraising for the for the college . and well, because so college. and well, because so when it's a charity base organisation and funding is always on, go to charity race is always on, go to charity race is always ongoing. so there's never always ongoing. so there's never a set limit of what work achieving . and so as much as we achieving. and so as much as we can really and if viewers are watching and are inclined to help, how can they go about , you help, how can they go about, you know, finding your particular fundraising effort so in

college, have a website and they have a charity page. and so they can donate on their i have a go fund me page called die for doing excellent you look thank you. you're absolutely up to the idea of being a great britain. i'm very impressed. idea of being a great britain. i'm very impressed . you know, as i'm very impressed. you know, as you probably have this discussing here, i think the three of us and here , you know, three of us and here, you know, draw the line at falling out the back of the aircraft at 10,000 feet. but if you can find it in your heart to take that leap of faith for your pupils, for your students, then open up your elbow. so thanks very much for joining us to you . thank you for joining us to you. thank you for having me . perfect it does. it having me. perfect it does. it does beg the question. you say your are happy to be pushed out of your your comfort. but you know , do you have do you have know, do you have do you have other limits or are there things that you aspire to do in terms of that mean? i've been doing

crazy challenges for about 20 years. my thing to me it's a is a big part of my identity. it's a big part of my identity. it's a big part of my identity. it's a big part of because they translate for it translates into the rest of my life that if you can get into that fear bubble and you can really i like the mental the mind games it plays on you to be terrified and you have there's a switch goes in your head way suddenly go your head way you suddenly go into different energy state of into a different energy state of and that then it just goes through into business and for instance when you describe the things have done where you've stepped into i did the marathon to solve which is sort of it's six months and seven days across the sahara desert, self—sufficient . and, you know, self—sufficient. and, you know, for that, you know , writing for that, you know, writing example in that there was a massive and i was stuck stuck us found on my iron and that on day three going that's it, i'm just going to quit. and i just sat there and thought, no, that involves me going home, telling people i haven't done it, telling family haven't done telling my family i haven't done it. not just absolute fear it. i'm not just absolute fear of failure and, not wanting to just switch, win. and was just

just switch, win. and i was just in different mode for the next in a different mode for the next four days and then i sort of it just then came in to them, my business life of every you business life of every time you know, that fear, you , know, you feel that fear, you, you can deal with it. at yeah did you see six marathons in six, seven you're running six, seven days? you're running 26 every day. yeah and 26 miles every day. yeah and that's fun. yeah. so yeah. and i think we disgusting when you say i mean where you put you carry your food for the weight, your sleeping bag you sleep in tents that are put up . and i mean, it that are put up. and i mean, it was it was incredible and i run a thing called the sisterhood i've been doing for 15 years, which is exactly getting guys, especially women, into to go out of their comfort zone and do crazy adventures, you know , few crazy adventures, you know, few of us really swam the channel. we did a relay run race from la. to vegas in 2019. and it's just it's just something i don't know what to do. i'm addicted to how much how much of the channel did you swim for? you're part of the really quite a lot because there are only four of us are

meant to be eight. and then the weather shifted. to so couldn't make then got and make the date we then got and then one was ill and so actually we did our , we did an hour on we did our, we did an hour on and just kept relaying the four of us because i find that those things you've things that you've just described far more impressive with if you if you jump with i mean if you if you jump out of a plane. well either paris must control you know paris you must control you know you know you know you didn't the lap of the gods at that if you didn't pack your own parachute but what you're talking about is a sustained painful child physically. yeah devastating at that pain. i don't know what i don't know what it is i just it's you know, as i said and i know it's, you know, i've always been a sports geek and i did sports science degree and a big sports science degree and a big sports psychology saw an event side of it and that you know, there's so much in that the fear side of it and pushing yourself and that resilience. so it's funny the fear i remember i when i was making a particular document series called course , i

document series called course, i met a lot of mountaineers and climbers and they talked about and some of them even used the same expression. they talked about feeding the rat, you know , because i could i had to do a bit from to time. and it was i was scared and they would say, yeah, i'm always scared as well. but that's but we have to feed rat, you know, and that was a real eye opener for me that they were going search of that feeling . they knew that they feeling. they knew that they were to go and were going to go and be frightened. they go and frightened. they had to go and be yeah, because be frightened. yeah, because it's getting it that. it's the getting over it that. yeah, it's the face. yeah, yeah it's, it's the face. i can't describe it. that, that feeling talked feeling of you've talked yourself round and got over that fear and you still and you've pushed through the endorphins and there's free of a drug in my head.i and there's free of a drug in my head. i got to go to another break, after which i'll meet the filmmaker who has made a documentary shining a light, some the darker parts of the some of the darker parts of the fashion industry . plus, we'll be fashion industry. plus, we'll be heanng fashion industry. plus, we'll be hearing about website, which will hopefully help farmers to see the sale of produce more locally. see you shortly .

welcome back . all around the welcome back. all around the world, farmers under ever increasing pressure . the dutch increasing pressure. the dutch government has effectively declared war on its farmers. even fighting live rounds. those seeking to defend their way of life . across europe, there's life. across europe, there's more unrest . cop27 is that the more unrest. cop27 is that the right number? i lose track was all about food , how governments all about food, how governments should cut back on farm land and force the farmers put farmers out to grass . farmers are out to grass. farmers are fighting back though, and here in the uk a new initiative and a new website should make us all more aware about where our food comes, as well as boosting our awareness of our local farmers and producers and about how we can bypass the supermarkets and go straight to the source . so my go straight to the source. so my next guests, farmers, got it when jones and catherine mcbean, founder of the people's health alliance, both joined me now to

tell us more. good evening to you both . good evening. good to you both. good evening. good to see you again. gareth tell me , see you again. gareth tell me, gareth, what is the idea behind this? what's the inspiration ? this? what's the inspiration? it's just to bring the power back to the people, to the farmers, to and the people. can local seasonal, farmers, to and the people. can local seasonal , regenerative local seasonal, regenerative food from the people that producing it and it has to be done because this there's so much power that's taken from us as produce . so if we can bring as produce. so if we can bring that back into our power and, you know, educate the next generation about the food we're producing and them on board, it's going to be healthier. it's going to be better for we and it's going to be better for everyone, really . catherine, everyone, really. catherine, it's bit of an altered mind

state that we need don't we because people are so accustomed to just either going to the supermarket physically or just shopping online from a supermarket . how how do we supermarket. how how do we re—educate ourselves how to go straight to the producers, you know, to how the middleman. it's quite an ask, isn't it? yeah. and i mean, it's going to take a bit of a transitional period for us all to get there. but what we're to do is through the website through other tools, through working with partners, affiliates , the uk is to educate affiliates, the uk is to educate the british public on what they can do, where they can go. so for example, we partnering up with the open food network, which is an open source platform whereby farmers, producers , whereby farmers, producers, local community groups can go on their shows where they are on a map and. you can go and find producers and farmers who happy to work directly with consumers in the region . and we're in the region. and we're supporting that through pfa as

well . working with other groups well. working with other groups like the pharmacy co—operative because this is about collaboration, this is about all coming together through . the coming together through. the website we hope to educate , but website we hope to educate, but also through doing public zooms and bringing our partners and affiliates on so they can speak about their particular area of expertise . and we can share that expertise. and we can share that out with the public. but is now a time for us all to come together and start taking a little bit more for our food? because those that should be aren't very clearly and it is down to us, the people and through pfi and through the models we build are about returning power to the people, about decentralising from the big conglomerates from the big organisations that currently and for some time had a big grip on what's food production looks like. and it really is about creating those models . creating those models. decentralise that power , get it decentralise that power, get it back to the farmers and producers and turn back to the people power back to the people. i'm all i'm all in favour of that. gareth i know a lot of people are , are invested in

people are, are invested in knowing more about where the food comes from. you know, they care about animal welfare. i would say a lot of people are very much aware of the necessity to give the animals that become our food , decent lives . you our food, decent lives. you know, will this will this kind of initiative, do you think that let people be reassured having more direct relationship with where the beasts are raised and where the beasts are raised and where the beasts are raised and where the how the crops are grown ? but let's not forget, grown? but let's not forget, neal , cheap grown? but let's not forget, neal, cheap food will come at a cost to something , neal, cheap food will come at a cost to something, you neal, cheap food will come at a cost to something , you know, and cost to something, you know, and cheap food's always been pushed by governments , supermarkets, by governments, supermarkets, you know, that. that pushing people. we are here to address that on animals and you know , that on animals and you know, health of our soil and the environment and wildlife . and environment and wildlife. and it's not easy, you know, to balance all these things and produce something that's affordable to people . so when i affordable to people. so when i go back to the crops, yes, it

does come at a cost to the environment, does come at a cost to the environment , too, sometimes to environment, too, sometimes to the animals and sometimes to the soil and the fertility of the land going forward . so we all land going forward. so we all have to re—educate ourselves and how we shop, how we eat . and, how we shop, how we eat. and, you know, seasonality is a massive thing . you know, you're massive thing. you know, you're a cow like me , you know, from a cow like me, you know, from the tops of scotland, you have a avocados and tomatoes. december of that few years ago , you know, of that few years ago, you know, we're shipping foods from all parts of the world. and i'm not saying we need to stop that, but we need to look at how we're shopping. and you once we start to understand that this food is here and it's produced by the farm, that the supermarket gets and governments are producing this food, it's the farmers. and you're going to need the three times every day people have forgotten about the farmers and needles. people have lost a lot

of respect for the people that are producing food because the supermarkets have always been full and you wait till them shells to get empty. and then we problems. but if we can this balance by the power back to the farmer and the people that are buying it you know keep money low cope keep that money circulating within the people that worked hard to produce it that worked hard to produce it that that's what we need and it is frustrating because there's a lots of problems out there from government policies to the way supermarkets are squashed and holding their thoughts on. the backs of a lot of farmers in this country. i'm need a fair price for what we're producing. catherine, just quickly, i'm running out of time here, but how how set up are the farmers? isuppose how how set up are the farmers? i suppose it's a re—education for them, you know, after generations of just pushing everything into supermarkets . everything into supermarkets. are they all are they all ready to go on this of these a more direct relationships with the

consumers ? some are. some consumers? some are. some aren't. so one of the things we're doing is helping that, helping farmers with that transition on how they maybe go from a mono culture to one that's more mixed farming approach. they've got multiple routes to market within the local community and it means that serve that that they can serve that community far products. so community with far products. so through various different schemes . but what we can talk schemes. but what we can talk about another time, but there's some information on the website, but lot of projects but we've got a lot of projects coming through 2023, 24 that coming out through 2023, 24 that are really common sense based things that will support farmers genuinely . things that will support farmers genuinely. this isn't about putting money in anyone else's pockets. about pockets. this is about supporting farmers it's supporting farmers, and it's about communities , about supporting communities, accessing good quality food and making sure farmers get a fair price for it. but it's also down to us, the people, to support our farmers, let's face our farmers, because let's face it, and defra are doing nothing. brilliant. i it. i love the brilliant. i love it. i love the sound of all that . catherine, sound of all of that. catherine, mcbean gareth wyn jones, mcbean and gareth wyn jones, thank you for your time this evening. such an important topic. thank both . moving on

topic. thank you both. moving on swiftly , it's a busy night and swiftly, it's a busy night and the next topic is upon us. every year , the hides of 2.5 billion year, the hides of 2.5 billion animals are used by the fashion industry. you name it. we skin it and wear it. cattle and sheep for leather and will obviously , for leather and will obviously, but also the hides of kangaroo foxes, mink, lynx , crocodiles, foxes, mink, lynx, crocodiles, ostriches you name it. it's a long list . apart from long list. apart from commonplace cruelty meted out to the animals , there are other the animals, there are other impacts, including deforestation and damage to biodiversity , and damage to biodiversity, water pollution. and that's you get to the plight of many poor people who are working to provide the skins and the wool and the rest . my next guest is and the rest. my next guest is the producer , a new film called the producer, a new film called slee, which confronts the viewer with some of the grim behind $1,000,000,000,000 industry. let's first of all, have a look . this is an industry that i want society to understand what

they do. they don't want their secrets shared with the wider public. of course , know what public. of course, know what they're doing. it's part of the business to have a very weak price. i think that it will make it a lot harder for people to do these products, knowing where they came from . good evening. they came from. good evening. no. rebecca cavalli, thank you for joining me. hi thank you for forjoining me. hi thank you for having me, neal. no, no, it's a it's a pleasure. tell me, rebecca, what was it like for you making this film ? well was you making this film? well was transformational because slay is a feature document . eight 5 a feature document. eight 5 minutes going into investigating the fur, leather and wool industries in seven countries. and it's not just looking at the impact that fashion has on the environment and also the people obviously who are affected by

those industries . but also those industries. but also looking at taking a close look at what happens to the animals that are trapped into this system . what surprise caused you system. what surprise caused you as you went through the process of making sleep ? what were the of making sleep? what were the personal that you experienced . personal that you experienced. so i think for me the biggest thing was really the scale to look at the scale of , you know, look at the scale of, you know, which is happening. so we talking, as you mentioned, 2.5 billion animals that our skin for fashion every single year. but we also talking about, you know , the impact it has in the know, the impact it has in the case of the leather industry . case of the leather industry. when we talk about the pollution that comes from tanneries and all the dining sector and a lot of the leather that we wear is produced in the global south. so coming, you know, face to face and close with these issues very confronting, especially as someone who has consumed a lot of fashion, you know, is to really like and i love, you

know, buying fashion. and so the scale is one thing. the other thing that is really shocking and that's really opened my eyes is that it's actually not so difficult to find the truth. and to access some of the things that we found. so it was just me and my team, we a local crew. so it's me and my cinematographer and you know, we up and it's unscripted . you know, we make unscripted. you know, we make some research, we show, we talk to the right people . and what's to the right people. and what's shocking to me is brands are not doing this work to really look at what is going in their supply chain . you see, you were chain. you see, you were a consumer of these products yourself . but what changed that yourself. but what changed that for ? i'm presuming that no for? i'm presuming that no you'll recall was an only four alternate lives . so there's alternate lives. so there's a few things for me really along my journey i came to the realisation first that the sum of the products that i loved , of the products that i loved, for example, a handbag, a luxury brand or , some of the stuff that

brand or, some of the stuff that i was wearing, i was wearing animals as an animal lover. and so that was the first thing that i had to control to and say slaves , a documentary that as slaves, a documentary that as the question that i asked myself but i also asked the viewer is it acceptable to kill animals for fashion. and then as we i was producing and directing slate the other thing that really came for me was we really need to decrease our consumption , we need to slow down, you know , we need to slow down, you know , the fashion industry is producing 100 billion garments. every single year. 20 billion don't even hit the shelves. they'll destroyed before even getting a chance of being sold. and you know, we're just creating this huge amount of garments all over the world that is polluting everywhere . so for is polluting everywhere. so for me, making slate has really gave me, making slate has really gave me like a more frugal approach and a more mindful approach to my own consumption to and say, you know what, we have our clothes that are full. we have have what we need and we need to

use what we have. we need to buy second—hand . and then when it second—hand. and then when it comes to alternatives i'm happy to talk about that because when it comes to what's on the tv, to skins and to animal derived materials, so obviously we have a lot of the in the case of leather, we have a lot of the vegan leather that is made of poo. it's plastic based. and that's incumbent. that's the existing material. that's incumbent. that's the existing material . even the existing material. even the synthetic leather has a less worse impact on the environment compared with the animal skins. but that's to not say that we should promote plastic containing materials when it comes to innovation, there's a lot of alternatives that are coming up . it's still a little coming up. it's still a little bit behind in of the affordability of the availability , but it's going to availability, but it's going to accelerate. so it is going to happen very soon. so are going to be able to look at, you know, plant derived materials , plant derived materials, microbes derived from innovation , cell based, even materials that are made , you know, killing

that are made, you know, killing , but also that all better for the environment , for human the environment, for human health. emma, do you think do you think the fashion industry can ever be ethical and given given the consumption that we've always had of leather and i don't you know it's not the leather in the wool in the forests know you look at the ethics and it's out in the news the last few years sort where do cheap clothes come from you know if you're buying at cheap clothes come from you know if you're buying a t shirt and there's three quid in a department. so how is that how is it possible? so, know, i is it possible? so, you know, i think that fashion industry as a whole , there's issues and whole, there's real issues and i think morally and ethically, i think morally and ethically, i think people now want to know much more the story behind brands they're buying and it's the same you know the food and the same you know the food and the farming set up actually want to know how these animals died that you're now eating and this these these eggs and this milk so yeah. how much awareness you think there is of it? you know, those figures, you know the 2.5

billion billion animals that are harvested every year clothes harvested every year for clothes ? i find what i find really odd is if i go back to, you know, i remember in the 1980s, this is a big thing like no fur and people getting like buckets of paint thrown on the news, like the virtue signalling of the eighties really focussed on eighties was really focussed on this. strange to now this. it's very strange to now be in and not only has it be in 2023 and not only has it not a better, it's got worse. people still wearing fat. yeah yeah is on 2840 years yeah exactly is on 2840 years i think it's gone. i didn't you know, i mean it sort of that was dead to me 20 ago. yeah. dead to me 20 years ago. yeah. rebecca is the industry rebecca what is the industry saying about this? you know, i know that there are all sorts of you've described tentatives is the indus meaningfully in changing its ways. yeah so the industry has no choice but just to get back on one make an emma we're exchanging on yes. fashion as a whole has massive issues and challenges that we need to address. the reason why wanted to focus on animals is because when it comes to the skin trade and fur leather, wool and all

the other animal derived materials , when we talk about materials, when we talk about sustainable fashion or ethical fashion or doing better for fashion or doing better for fashion animals completely absent from this conversation . absent from this conversation. until now and until slate. more or less so of course they are some organisations that have been working on these issues for a long time as nick mentioned. but the thing is that they are also in stress groups that have spent, you know , a lot of time, spent, you know, a lot of time, energy lobbying money into making consumers feel comfortable with consuming animals in that way. comfortable with consuming animals in that way . and, you animals in that way. and, you know, in there is a campaign actually in the uk for a free britain that is calling people to, you know, really sit down and ask ourselves, do we want to go ahead with a ban on the sale of fur? and the reason is there are many that have banned fur farms, for instance, because of ethical issues , also of ethical issues, also of environmental issues , public environmental issues, public health issues as we've seen with

covid 19. but so if health issues as we've seen with covid19. but so if we are banning these from our countries , then it's only fair that we also don't sell it if it's coming from other countries. for example, like china , where i example, like china, where i have actually i have been on chinese fur farms. and so we should just walk that talk , make should just walk that talk, make sure that we provide consumers with better materials . why is with better materials. why is the is slate oat no you know are people is on a general release where can people see this. yes yeah so slaves available for free on the streaming platform what about so you can just sign up and what for free. it's also available on itunes and amazon . available on itunes and amazon. rebecca it's a fascinating story is . i was i rebecca it's a fascinating story is. i was i find how do we actually i mean i'm no i'm no i'm saying you know i wear leather leather shoes on sitting here to talking you. but when you describe the scale of it, is definitely an eye opener. and something to think about. so rebecca has now just just joined

the stand. also, the scale is immense but we need to understand that we are talking billions and millions of individuals. so it's not just 2.5 billion or 100 million. it's 100 million times one individual. so there's just a huge amount of suffering is really something we need to take seriously as a collective and again, you already have your items , your garments. just use items, your garments. just use what you have and we just have a responsibility to then move away from skins because skins are not a fabric . rebecca cappelli a fabric. rebecca cappelli director, producer of sleep, thank you for your time, but we to hear from you all a break. yeah again . to hear from you all a break. yeah again. have to hear from you all a break. yeah again . have you ever yeah again. have you ever fancied being a driving instructor? there's a question that's a bit of a change of direction . the air says your direction. the air says your time may have come with more and more people teaching driving as a second job, we'll find out more after the

break welcome back to neil oliver live . now do you feel that your and career a dead end ? are you long career a dead end? are you long overdue? a u—turn to get back on the right road? are you signalling your innermost need to take of your direction in life ? in that case, my next life? in that case, my next guest could have the solution as new research finds that half of brits want a career change and a better work life balance, the role of driving instructor may be the way ahead. mark ball, head of the driving school instructor training academy, joins me now . instructor training academy, joins me now. hi, instructor training academy, joins me now . hi, mark. thanks joins me now. hi, mark. thanks for this. i good evening. what is the appeal of a driving instructor as a career ? and so instructor as a career? and so i think driving such as self—employed so there is some flexibility and being able to, you know, be the boss choose your own hours, choose your own price in in terms of what you charge , how you value yourself charge, how you value yourself and things like that. and is there an uptick? i mean, is this actually happening on more and more turning more people turning to as a principal job, a second job? so it's traditionally been a second

job traditionally guess, you job and traditionally guess, you know , is a male dominated know, is a male dominated industry, but is definitely changing and more people are coming into it earlier and seeing it as a as a as a useful that they can follow . i see. it that they can follow. i see. it sounds always sounded to me like a high stress occupation. i mean , my daughters are learning to drive at moment. yeah. and i'm i'm having nothing to do with it. you know, she's driving instructor. he's a lovely guy, but very idea of sitting beside somebody who can't drive in a car, in traffic just fills me with cold terror. yeah, i think i think expanding the examiner. i think expanding the examiner. i can understand that esoteric because you expecting the person to be able to drive and you know you're taking them for assessment and quite often unfortunately they're not always able but certainly being an able to, but certainly being an instructor , you build things up instructor, you build things up step by step by step, and so you can you can plan for what? and you just you have those you do have you do you have you have a

break. you got your break and you've got your car that's down there, a manual. and can there, a manual. and so you can have that control even though they, very they, again, should be very because your planning your lessons and you spending that time on the quieter roads and then gradually up and i don't know if you run across this, but when i was reading into the notes year, apparently notes last year, apparently it was lot of was quiet, quitting a lot of people just drifted away from their jobs for well a different reason for every individual . reason for every individual. sure is. there are we think we're seeing something people take stock do you think and i've read on that and i know women were much bigger a percentage of the quiet quitters because of the quiet quitters because of the juggle and kids and especially like the middle 3040 year old women and stuff. so actually, you know, as you said , you pick your own hours and i think, you know, the issues with childcare and maintenance and, you benefit and stuff, you know, bed benefit and stuff, this very for a lot this country is very for a lot of, you know, women who are the middle ones earning sort of the 30 to 50 grand type thing and

juggung 30 to 50 grand type thing and juggling small children to take jobs and pay for childcare . and jobs and pay for childcare. and so see, do the 9 to 5. so actually it's kind of it makes sense to go for that for something they can do . do you something they can do. do you think we've seen a societal change there? nick oh, yeah, definitely . i change there? nick oh, yeah, definitely. i mean, i would think the interesting thing is the expecting people to the sort expecting people to work longer , you know, they work longer, you know, they retirement age, promoting for four more years. yeah bampton and yet we still have a lot of prejudice against i mean people over 50, everyone over 60, you know, trying to, trying to work. and i think you have a very established career by that point. and yeah , i think i think point. and yeah, i think i think so. i think it's really a surprise that we're seeing people the job people drift away from the job market because actually that's a certain point. it's quite difficult most people , is difficult for most people, is it. i didn't realise that. you see traditionally a second job you know it's normally so i nofice you know it's normally so i notice a career so it is people as you say. yeah sort of reaching out now to something else if you'd people certainly do fit it when something goes

i'm obviously there's a challenge because you've got your vehicle there, you kind of want to utilise your vehicle as much as you possibly can. so but then there there are then there are there are individuals that would perhaps share a vehicle and things like that are options, that so there are some options, but people to us, you know, after 20 years after over ten, 15, 20 years doing whatever , it's amazing how doing whatever, it's amazing how many people come to it and actually i've wanted to do actually say, i've wanted to do this for years . and they thought this for years. and they thought about it and thought and thought about it and thought and thought about it. and eventually they make and change. but make that shift and change. but it is changing in the fact that more people are coming into it earlier and seeing it as earlier and are seeing it as a opportunity to as say, work, work around and have a better life balance . how much of a life balance. how much of a rigmarole is it to learn how to be ? it's all very well knowing be? it's all very well knowing how to drive, but acquiring the skill to pass that knowledge is yeah , that's a different kettle yeah, that's a different kettle of fish. yeah certainly is, i think. i mean it's with most things people sort of they look at it, i think it's quite straightforward and simple and ultimately it's not until you get into it that you realise

it's a little bit more complex. but certainly if you've been used to coaching somebody, mentoring know, mentoring somebody, you know, half the population varies half as the population varies over these took somebody you know whether it's a family or you know or their friends and things like that. so we're all quite of used to it. but it quite sort of used to it. but it is taking that time to is yeah. taking that time to really the really learn learn the profession little and, and profession a little bit and, and make it work for you. is that a character that lends itself or is like is it just that character that makes you character trait that makes you a teacher? i think is that character trait that makes you a teacher a of time as teacher a lot of the time as well. it's actually instructing somebody how to use the pedals, how a steering wheel, how to use a steering wheel, actually quite easy. but what you an awful lot your you spend an awful lot of your time doing building up time doing is building up people's confidence people's levels of confidence and and really and self esteem and really encourage people. it seems encourage in people. it seems like sort get to like when you sort of get to sort 17, 18, there was just sort of 17, 18, there was just some things perhaps you were a little anxious about little bit more anxious about and sometimes can seem and driving sometimes can seem like that or wanting to do like that or not wanting to do something and so, so something wrong. and so, so sometimes, yeah. as a driving instructor, you're doing a lot just build confidence instructor, you're doing a lot juspeople build confidence instructor, you're doing a lot juspeople and uild confidence instructor, you're doing a lot juspeople and actuallyfidence

instructor, you're doing a lot juspeople and actually make; instructor, you're doing a lot juspeople and actually make sure in people and actually make sure that they're going be ready that they're going to be ready for driving test. and of for the driving test. and of course not overnight, you know, and know nervous is it is it and know for nervous is it is it will it be the case if you're a driving instructor that you're always it's 17 and 18 year olds are in your car is that is that no fun enough to even that sort of change and a little bit in fact that people are choosing to perhaps go away, you know, continue education, know, do other things, and then come back to so the actual to driving. so the actual average learning drive average age of learning to drive is actually increasing a little bit and. and certainly it also changes well because if somebody has gone , hasn't learnt to drive has gone, hasn't learnt to drive when they do come back to learn to drive, they kind of want to do it a little bit quicker. might go for an automatic vehicle because again that sort of as little bit as well. of seen as a little bit as well. i can tell you is the i can tell you what is the hardest thing i to hardest thing i have to do. i was hopeless as a, you know, learning how to drive. i find so counter—intuitive . i find that i counter—intuitive. i find that i find the oddest thing to learn to how so to people through the

agony. to how so to people through the agony . i tip to how so to people through the agony. i tip my to how so to people through the agony . i tip my hat off to agony. i tip my hat off to driving and not to. so it's great to hear from you. it's a fascinating idea. born and thank you very much. i thank you for your time. great it's. a final break after which alessandro sabadell will be here to tell me why chef made italian takeaways are the next big thing in the culinary .

world welcome back. for the last time this evening for a final topic , this evening for a final topic, my panellists and i have been promised some pasta treats . i've promised some pasta treats. i've been doing my best recently cut down on carbohydrates , but in down on carbohydrates, but in the circumstances , confronted the circumstances, confronted with the likes of truffle mac and cheese and beef, shin and barolo ragu , well, one is only barolo ragu, well, one is only human after all he to pass the pasta . alessandro chevalley from pasta. alessandro chevalley from pasta. alessandro chevalley from pasta evangelists dot you can deliver chef made italian treats all around london in as little as 15 minutes. alessandro

welcome thank you . tell me all welcome thank you. tell me all about pasta evangelists . what about pasta evangelists. what was the idea ? execution of it? was the idea? execution of it? how did it come about? oh, i'm. i'm italian. i'm from genova . i'm italian. i'm from genova. and although i've been living in the uk for more than 20 years and one day i was making eight or ten launched by a hands and i thought, let's start a pasta business. that's simple. are a chef. is that your. no i'm not a chef. is that your. no i'm not a chef. thankfully. i like cooking like food. but my family's to have a family , a food business have a family, a food business in the past. but i'm not a chef. and so we're . where does the and so we're. where does the passion come from then? is that is that just something that's innate for someone with italian heritage ? i think it is. heritage? i think it is. i think, you know, when you if you sound like a jew, but when you're italian and you travel somewhere don't have somewhere and you don't have pasta for more than five or six days, you have long you feel like you're missing something like you're missing something like a caffeine , kind of like like a caffeine, kind of like

feeling . i have every day and feeling. i have every day and even before something as evangelists. so talk us through some of these. yeah into these hills. here's a plate . play an hills. here's a plate. play an act you want and it go super want to keep you company. so i come from a town called genova and the northwest and genova invented pesto , mozzarella invented pesto, mozzarella things and focaccia . okay. and things and focaccia. okay. and so one of our my favourite dishes is a lasagne pesto . and dishes is a lasagne pesto. and and on the other hand, one of my co—founder is finn a number of years ago said , let's do mac and years ago said, let's do mac and cheese, which is not typically italian , but based on our italian, but based on our bestsellers and the beginning of the business we've , been doing the business we've, been doing beef stew and ragu , which this beef stew and ragu, which this one here. exactly we thought alone in. so here you have three of our bestsellers. we've been doing it for many years now and when you go to you've got to

you've got to have a bit that it's a bit of everything i'm hungry. yeah and what's the i read in the notes that you can deliver anywhere in london in 15 minutes. i'm presuming you've got more than one location. yeah, i. many locations all over london . out of london as well. london. out of london as well. we also a restaurant in harrods. we also a restaurant in harrods. we have an online business and yeah, the food will get to your house in 15, 20 minutes. cooked for you to go. and obviously for people are watching this are not in london alone. any plans for things any plans to move further out ? i'm thinking a lot for the out? i'm thinking a lot for the rolling stones yeah what that costs is london you i think i try so we also have a well we started the business as a as a recipe business shipping boxes all over the country . so we do all over the country. so we do also send you can order from our websites and have delivered to your home next day all over the country seven days a week. i think is it is it just me thinking this that britain and brits have adopted all manner of

food of their own? you know people love at it from the indian subcontinent, people love pasta. you know people love greek food . that's a british greek food. that's a british trait that we take these things so much to heart and have them for our own i mean , i think for our own i mean, i think england's gone through a food renaissance in the past 20 years, whether it's you said greek food to give food and pasta pizza. some of these cuisines weren't as available 20 years ago. now they are the domestic cuisine is not as what we saw domestically. exactly. it was . but . i we saw domestically. exactly. it was. but. i like living in london because on the other hand, you've got every cuisine when in italy you might have the old chinese restaurant, the new restaurant, but you make it up. the old mac mac and cheese. you really pass it over him and. i mean, this is to have this level of food delivered to your well, well, whatever you want to deliver to them, taking it, you

can have the workplace or whatever it's come up, isn't it . it's not like it's not your average takeaway food . thank average takeaway food. thank you. wonderful it's really good. well, i mean, they're all great, but i haven't done truffle on it. i'll get into it now. it's the lesson they think of in britain, in england, with it's just a melting pot of cultures . just a melting pot of cultures. isn't that on nationality are actually it's kind of it's the obvious thing that actually you can get any kind of food ever you can walk down a london street and you know you'll find every type of food, restaurant, cafe . yeah just i just think cafe. yeah just i just think what i'm very welcoming for all the bad press that we get about immigration. i think we're very welcoming always been culturally very welcoming and have absorbed it gusto for people it with great gusto for people and cultures from from all over the world. i think it's just another indication of just how open to the outside world we have always been and still are. i'm that's we've got time i'm that's all we've got time for alessandra , thank you so for alessandra, thank you so much for bringing all from much for bringing us all from your oliver live. thanks

your neil oliver live. thanks as to panel myself, nick, to my panel and myself, nick, tyrone, cervelli and tyrone, alessandra cervelli and delicious food. fantastic. next it's mark dolan tonight with neil fox standing this neil fox standing in this presenter. you all at presenter. i'll see you all at 6:00 saturday. hello again 6:00 next saturday. hello again as we through saturday night, we are going any rain clearing away that will then leave things fairly chilly first thing on sunday morning but through the day looking largely sunny . day it's looking largely sunny. if we look at the bigger picture and we this front that's and we have this front that's been making its way south eastwards across the uk the day as a cold front, we do as it's a cold front, it we do have colder air coming so have colder air coming in so things are going to turn a bit chillier we through the chillier as we go through the rest the weekend take look rest of the weekend take a look at details through saturday at the details through saturday night can that front night and you can see that front here its way southwards, here making its way southwards, bringing some cloud and little bit rain time, but bit of rain for a time, but turning drier behind it with largely skies any largely clear skies and any showers scotland showers across scotland are going through the going to clear away through the night under clear night to under the clear skies, turning bit chilly, turning a little bit chilly, particularly across of particularly across parts of scotland. ireland here, scotland. northern ireland here, fairly widespread frost, perhaps even frost. the south even a touch of frost. the south through sunday itself. then high pressure dominating. is pressure dominating. and so is going a saturday across

going to be a saturday across much the uk. plenty of winter much of the uk. plenty of winter sunshine around though that sunshine around though that sunshine going to quite hazy sunshine going to be quite hazy at because some high level at times because some high level cloud. also have light cloud. we'll also have light winds. despite the light winds. but despite the light winds. but despite the light winds the sunshine, it is winds and the sunshine, it is going to be little bit going to be a little bit chillier than through albeit not feeling too bad because of the winter sunshine . as we go winter sunshine. as we go through the end of the day on sunday, little change across. much of england and though much of england and wales though thickening parts of thickening cloud across parts of scotland , northern some scotland, northern ireland, some gusty here too and perhaps gusty winds here too and perhaps a spots of rain, a few spots of rain, particularly orkney, particularly for orkney, shetland and, western isles shetland and, the western isles where hold to on clear where we hold to on the clear skies and light winds across skies and the light winds across england, wales, is to england, wales, it is going to turn very chilly even in towns and where likely to fall and cities where likely to fall and cities where likely to fall a couple degrees below in a couple of degrees below in some and so wide some places. and so a wide spread harsh frost and also freezing fog patches to watch out for thing on monday through the day then monday starting off bright across england wales but cloud encroaching from the northwest so turning cloudy as we go through the day quite a cloudy picture through of cloudy picture through much of the parts of scotland the day across parts of scotland and ireland some

and northern ireland and some gusty and a few of gusty winds too. and a few of rain staying changeable across north through rest of the north through the rest of the week. drier towards week. sunny air drier towards the but chilly with the south, but quite chilly with some and fog overnight.

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