in its 8:00 saturday night. this is mark dolan tonight with me neil fox looking after it. 3 hours of big debate, big opinion and big entertainment are coming. your so please sit back , relax and enjoy the but we start as always with the people's hour tonight we're going to be debating how do we tackle sleaze in politics.7 should energy companies pay more tax?|s should energy companies pay more tax.7 is king charles the monarch of the people and should we be punishing criminals or rehabilitating them? but first, let's get the latest news with

karen armstrong . hi hi there. karen armstrong. hi hi there. i'm howard armstrong in gb newsroom. officers investigating , the disappearance of nicola bigley are appealing a key witness who they believe was in the area that morning. the witness is a woman wearing a yellow who is seen on cctv pushing a pram in the area where the walker disappeared. the 45 year old mother of two was last seen walking her dog in lancashire. last friday. nicholas family have questioned theory that she fell into the river and her friend heather says it's a heavy toll . as says it's a heavy toll. as a friend of nicky. i am struggling to see how we can take a theory as a conclusion . and you know, as a conclusion. and you know, nicky , we need evidence to know nicky, we need evidence to know where nicky is. and as far as i'm aware, there they have not found any evidence. so, paul and, nick's parents and sister last night, a the heartbroken

they , all living a living hell they, all living a living hell and on top of that, they have all the speculation that comes out to deal with. it's too much it's not fair a number of houses have been evacuated in the derbyshire town of belper after a man was arrested on suspicion of having explosives in his house. officers were called to a property in drive yesterday evening and a search uncovered a number of suspicious items. 100 metre cordon remains in place and nearby roads have been as bomb disposal experts assess the property. police say don't know how long the closures will be in place for a suspected chinese spy place for a suspected chinese spy balloon has been shot down off the southeastern coast of the united states. it follows flights being suspended at. three us airports, including myrtle beach in south carolina . myrtle beach in south carolina. and that was a short time ago for what authorities as a national security effort . well,

national security effort. well, earlier, president joe biden said the us would take care of the surveillance balloon. that's been flying in us airspace. washington says it's clear violation of the sovereignty. china maintains though it was a civil and weather airship which had blown off course . the bodies had blown off course. the bodies of two british aid workers who died during a humanitarian evacuation have been returned to ukraine authorities. the families of chris parry and andrew bagshaw say the pair were attempting to rescue an elderly woman from the eastern town of soledar in early january. the bodies were as part of a prisoner swap between russia and ukraine involved nearly hundred people . and that comes as the people. and that comes as the prime minister spoke with president zelenskyy on the phone . rishi sunak says he's committed to ensuring military equipment reaches the front line as quickly as possible including tanks. ukrainians began training in the uk earlier week on

challenger to battle tanks , challenger to battle tanks, which britain has agreed to supply . to tv, online and dab+ supply. to tv, online and dab+ radio . this is gb news. now it radio. this is gb news. now it is back to neil fox on mark dolan tonight. roy, welcome back to mark dolan tonight . i'm roy, welcome back to mark dolan tonight. i'm neil fox and we start with the people's hour and which i'll be taking your video calls on the big stories of the day . now calls on the big stories of the day. now tonight, the calls on the big stories of the day . now tonight, the stars of day. now tonight, the stars of the show are we've got zak zakan the show are we've got zak zakari in hey, zachary , we've zakari in hey, zachary, we've got andrew and dudley. hello there andrew . we've got sue in there andrew. we've got sue in cheshire. good evening, sue. welcome alan. norma in the canary islands. oh, i hope

you're enjoying the sunshine. hello there . and amanda and ace hello there. and amanda and ace sussex as well . hello there, sussex as well. hello there, amanda . nice life. right. we'll amanda. nice life. right. we'll be hearing a lot from them over the next hour . now, following the next hour. now, following weeks of embarrassments and allegations of misconduct for the government. how do we tackle sleaze in our politics? and with energy giant shell this week reporting profits of £32 billion, the highest in over century. i'll be asking , should century. i'll be asking, should energy firms be paying more tax ? king charles is set to open three royal residences to be used as warm to help those struggling a cost of living crisis. so i'll be asking my viewers, is king charles iii, the monarch of , the people ? and the monarch of, the people? and finally, a rehabilitation scheme from west midlands police has reportedly saved local businesses . an estimated

businesses. an estimated £800,000 by tackling, shoplifting in the region. so i want to know should criminals be punished or rehabilitated ? i punished or rehabilitated? i myself have a psychic for the first hour of this evening show is author and ella whelan . and is author and ella whelan. and my is author and ella whelan. and my big opinion to strike or to strike that is the question and i'll be giving my view on the pubuc i'll be giving my view on the public walkouts. that's from 9:00 tonight. in the big question , the decision by welsh question, the decision by welsh to ban. tom jones is . i'll be to ban. tom jones is. i'll be asking whether music should be censored and in news agenda with my panel should over 50 is be incentivised to return to work . incentivised to return to work. have we fallen out of love film as well and all you prepare to eat bugs for breakfast. i'm serious. it's not that arcane. we'll talk about it later on. i'll be discussing all those stories and much more with pop duo right ,

stories and much more with pop duo right, said fred. could be fun . and journalist. and fun. and journalist. and political commentator , writer political commentator, writer lizzie zito . plus, tomorrow is lizzie zito. plus, tomorrow is sunday's papers from 1020. right through until 11:00. mike goodness. a busy 3 hours to come. so put something cold and fizzy in fridge. sure. fire up the kettle . let's have a night the kettle. let's have a night to remember . the kettle. let's have a night to remember. if you'd like to meet one of the brilliant gb views who make the people's hour so much fun, please do get in touch with us. you can email mark at gb news or .uk. touch with us. you can email mark at gb news or .uk . now i'm mark at gb news or .uk. now i'm joined for the hour by author and journalist ella whelan . and journalist ella whelan. evening, ellen. how are you? i have to be honest, you've had a very busy week this week having you on question time . a huge you on question time. a huge show . lots of lots of talk about show. lots of lots of talk about that show. how was it you? it was fine. well you know, it's

one of the i think the bbc question time team are to be commended, because it's an issue that a lot of channels not including this one, but a lot of channels. so very nervous about touching it was we were we had we had to discuss about strikes we had to discuss about strikes we had to discuss about strikes we had a discussion about the government and growth and productivity. main part of government and growth and prorprogramme main part of government and growth and prorprogramme wainn part of government and growth and prorprogramme was aboutt of government and growth and prorprogramme was about the the programme was about the because it in glasgow with a because it was in glasgow with a glaswegian audience, was glaswegian audience, it was about the scottish gender recognition reform bill and the fallout from . nicola sturgeon's fallout from. nicola sturgeon's response to , the prisoner as and response to, the prisoner as and graham , who calls himself i'll graham, who calls himself i'll and whether or not he was going to be kept in a women's prison or not. and you know, it was a it was very tense at times and there was some very disappointing answers from some of the politicians . the disappointing answers from some of the politicians. the snp's representative gilruth refused to tell us in the audience whether or not she thought that and believed that adam graham was a man or not kept saying

this individual is a rapist and no one's disputing that he's been charged and sent to jail . i been charged and sent to jail. i think probably the reason why it's something of a stir is because , you know, i was only because, you know, i was only really putting forward the position about when i said that sex was real and irrefutable , sex was real and irrefutable, that most people consider it to be as mundane as saying that the sky is blue and the grass is green , and why it's become green, and why it's become a kind of a difficult thing to talk about, i think it shows the intensity of some of, you know, particularly a kind of a small of trans activists who want to kind of create a censorious atmosphere , this issue and atmosphere, this issue and i think there's probably quite a few women who are sick of that and want to try and puncture . and want to try and puncture. well, we're not going to be talking about that over the next houn talking about that over the next hour. no i think it's been talked about a lot. clearly on this channel. and obviously yourself on thursday. let's meet

our viewers this evening, though, obviously make this though, that obviously make this hour interesting . exciting hour so interesting. exciting the viewers , obviously, of gb the viewers, obviously, of gb news people's hour where we take your video calls on topics that have got you talking. so first on the agenda tonight with rishi sunak's government being marred by scandal and allegations of bullying by the deputy prime minister, dominic raab, i'm asking how do we tackle sleaze in politics now? discuss this. let's first bring in norma who joins us from the sunshine of the canary islands. norma, welcome along . nice to chat to welcome along. nice to chat to you and thanks for sharing your saturday night with us. so please, your views. how do we clean up sleaze in . politics clean up sleaze in. politics well, well, it's a good old fashioned ethics and morality . fashioned ethics and morality. yeah, i mean to tell you the truth, that mick jagger sings , truth, that mick jagger sings, strange game . i mean, it says it strange game. i mean, it says it all really, but it's a very old

fashioned of morality, you know, that people get done. and it's very hard to get into the game and play to the big boys again. but you know, little matty hancock is doing his best and hopefully succeeding. but and the whole thing is an disaster and i feel very, very sorry for i'm a floating voter, by the way. i'm not or conservative. i vote you know, whatever the issue day and i'm afraid the conservatives party is it's really suffering at the moment because obviously this is absolutely it's like full rock , absolutely it's like full rock, it's right down the middle and. it's not in my view, it's sort of with boris. i don't think the party has always been like this conservative party to me . it's conservative party to me. it's always represented . you know, a always represented. you know, a lot of people who are very i know people think it's rather elitist and all the rest of it. and oxbridge and etc. i'm a

little bit that way , but these , little bit that way, but these, the traditional tory voter has got really good values and i'm the values that are being expressed are just it's a disaster the opposite it's everybody just does they want and nobody and they just for a moment just just to sort of get her view on this, amanda , her view on this, amanda, welcome along to the show . welcome along to the show. amanda hello there , how are you? amanda hello there, how are you? hi so we know norma's view on this one and obviously maybe about how she about the conservative party as a whole at the moment about, conservative party as a whole at the moment about , this issue, the moment about, this issue, though, specifically say dominic raab this week has dominated the news once again . do you think news once again. do you think rishi is maybe right to elect to let due process take its right path and then act or should this be something that's just sorted

out straight? no, i really do believe that rishi has to allow due process to play out here because . one of the main because. one of the main problems that we in this country at the moment is there seems to be a lot of respect for the rule of law and rule of law in this country. ladies day. but anyone who is a accused of any allegation whatsoever , whether allegation whatsoever, whether is presumed innocent until proven . and the problem we in proven. and the problem we in this agenda day and age is that a small minority of people, particularly on the left, are very invested in trying smear anyone in the conservative party or anyone on the conservative side in general to such an extent that they ruin their lives just the smear campaign . lives just the smear campaign. and that at the moment is what is going on with dominic. it's all allegation and none of it is

proven and none of it has heard in a court of law instance. so in a court of law instance. so in which case, he needs to be , in which case, he needs to be, given the time and the space to have day in front of rishi, to be able to decide whether all of these allegations are true or not. and then rishi has to make his mind up , the prime minister, his mind up, the prime minister, as to whether in his role , as to whether in his role, whether he let him go, but if we keep giving in to these mob mentality tat whereby you can just smear anyone, you lie to get rid of them in front of them is all part cancel culture. we will have no politicians left in the conservative party whatsoever because this is what the people on the left want. they want to take down the conservative party and that's what's going on. amanda i would say actually, i mean , maybe it's say actually, i mean, maybe it's not not just the left trying to take down the right. i would say that we have had trial by media, sadly for years now in this

sadly for many years now in this country this happening country and, this happening around if we look around the world. but if we look at country many issues, at our country on many issues, whether celebrity or whether it's celebrity or football or what once football players or what once it's out in the press, it's very hard, actually actually be hard, actually to actually be innocent until proven guilty. what do you i mean, do you find as well as a journalist , once as well as a journalist, once it's out there , i mean, look, it's out there, i mean, look, you've you've had i'm sure , many you've you've had i'm sure, many comments this week about yourself . and, course, once yourself. and, of course, once it's out in the media, it's very hard to get those headlines off. yes well, i mean, as a journalist, i'm a great believer in defender of freedom of the. so i think that, you know, journalists and commentators and gossip mongers should be free to do what they do. and you would hope that the political class are able to kind of have the confidence to rise above it, because thing that strikes me, particularly about dominic raab, is that , look, i no, no , here is that, look, i no, no, here was in the room, so we don't know what on but the allegations are described as you know dominic raab has been accused of belittling someone. now i mean

call me cold hearted , but i call me cold hearted, but i really don't think that's such a big deal. read some of the descriptions and so i'm still the guy is a piece of work when he gets going you know, who am i to sort judge on that? but there is a sort of sense of particularly in relation to allegations bullying in allegations of bullying in parliament, a lot of this is sounding kind of play sounding kind of school play ground desk and there are lots of things to criticise this current government about, you know, not being able to pay their tax giving out contracts to people who they have relationships with. we have a genuine of allegations of corruption and also just a basic complete of the economy of the nhs. you know, the list is very long. i'm no fan of the conservative party, but i have to bring them down on the basis of them being a little bit mean to sort of some civil servants, some ministers. i mean, you don't want to sound like like a kind of glorifying bad behaviour but politics is a dirty game . i but politics is a dirty game. i mean, you know well life is tough. so yeah, i guess we were

in the room and unless we can find out exactly what was said. i mean, we're all talking about it now without really having any knowledge what was. and knowledge of what was. and hopefully we will find out to bnng hopefully we will find out to bring our viewers again. bring in our viewers again. norma, you were norma, obviously you were talking about the conservative sort of in general, about your feelings about them, about this specific ? i think it brings up a specific? i think it brings up a very good point. none us very good point. none of us really what was said the really know what was said in the room maybe is all about room and maybe it is all about well, he was just a bit tough and talked to people in a harsh way life sometimes can be tough and talked to people in a harsh w¢thate sometimes can be tough and talked to people in a harsh w¢that any�*netimes can be tough and talked to people in a harsh w¢that any reasons can be tough and talked to people in a harsh w¢that any reason talk] be tough and talked to people in a harsh w¢that any reason talk toe tough and talked to people in a harsh w¢that any reason talk to sacksh is that any reason talk to sacks about ask them to step down about it ask them to step down from job job. well i mean from theirjob job. well i mean , always thought that dominic raab was a really nice guy and. the i'm when he went angela raynerin the i'm when he went angela rayner in parliament that time you know a few weeks ago i thought oh he's he's quite a racy guy, nice guy, he's always across as really, really sweet . across as really, really sweet. but there's been 24 allegations

so i in the press recently i saw maybe there are even 40 now you . i accept the fact that you shouldn't be condemned and pilloried and all the rest of it without evidence. but the suggestion , as you know , between suggestion, as you know, between 24 and 40 allegations of bullying i also accept the bullying. it's a very subjective experience and that some people could be a bit too thin skinned . i accept that totally . and . i accept that totally. and particularly women should really start of more up for themselves and not be , you know, flaky and and not be, you know, flaky and moaning about i understand all of that, but i've been bullied at work and you know, as particularly when you were in in potentially power positions in parliament and you're to get on you can't say anything and you're powerless and i think that sometimes these people and

sometimes i yeah, in the main, it tends to be they, you know , it tends to be they, you know, can take advantage of their position and be a bit a bit up themselves . okay. you know , i themselves. okay. you know, i want to thank all for one second. i just want to play. i want to bring in amanda just briefly on this one as maybe a final word, this on this specific issue, maybe sleaze in general, but this case dominic raab, we don't really your view should he go and do you know what? i don't think he should know . i'll tell you why i. think know. i'll tell you why i. think a lot of what is happening here is the case of i think they're trying to make an example of him to enable their cause for eradicate masculinity which is another part of the cancel culture woke agenda . and i think culture woke agenda. and i think really that's what's behind all of this massive smear campaign against dominic raab? i don't believe for one minute there are 40 plus allegations against him.

i'm sure that over half of them are not even real allegations really real. rather than just allegations. so i think a lot of this is to do with trying to make an example of him as a way of getting rid of someone who they as being toxic masculinity . all right. well, i appreciate your views that i guess hopefully we will find out in due course in the days weeks ahead, maybe. how many allegations there are so that we actually do know some facts this one. but for now, amanda, enormous thank you. we'll be back. course. coming in back. of course. coming up, in light giant reportedly light of energy giant reportedly making an all u. watering 30 billion improper buffet, we asked , should energy companies asked, should energy companies be paying more tax? you won't want miss it. get involved. see in a few .

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hey, welcome back. the people's hour now . energy giant shell hour now. energy giant shell week caused a stir after was revealed that they took home a staggering revealed that they took home a staggerin g £32 billion in staggering £32 billion in profits. their highest for over a century . now, with the cost of a century. now, with the cost of living crisis still crippling many families across the nation . right. should energy companies be paying more tax ? joining me be paying more tax? joining me from less, that's talk about this one. zachary welcome to saturday night . very nice to saturday night. very nice to have you. what's your view ? yes have you. what's your view? yes or no? should they be paying more tax ? they should . well, more tax? they should. well, just to put this in context, because i wanted to know this one. it was 2 billion over a of 81 billion, which is actually a pretty healthy profit margin , i pretty healthy profit margin, i have to be honest there. so that's about 40. so why do you think they should be paying more tax at? some? i'm sure technically, legally, they're paying technically, legally, they're paying what they owe at the moment. otherwise, they wouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

what do you think they need to be paying a higher percentage? other companies ? me, i wasn't other companies? me, i wasn't about say that they should be paying about say that they should be paying more tax rather than they already are, aren't they? because presumably if they're making additional profits, they are paying more through . the are paying more tax through. the normal means of collection . normal means of tax collection. but enough, is it? but that's not enough, is it? because paying more because they're paying more anyway, energy anyway, because of the energy profits i think is profits levy, which i think is a 25% surcharge on these extraordinary profits scoped out uk describes them and i believe is proposed to help to a 35% additional levy so . they are additional levy so. they are paying additional levy so. they are paying more tax through these extraordinary again profits . and extraordinary again profits. and when i hear about windfall tax i first heard of it just over 20 years ago i think it was proposed in gordon brown's era when he was chancellor when i think oil prices were up and oil company profits were up. and i remember at the time got quite a sinking feeling giving way to a mild depression at the thought

this kind of intervention. and facti this kind of intervention. and fact i wrote a letter to the daily mail to protest it and i never heard a word about it. now, i'm not saying i'm responsible for. it's not being applied. responsible for. it's not being appued. odd responsible for. it's not being applied. odd ago . but applied. 20 odd years ago. but it did suggest to me that it might have been one of these eye catching that catching initiatives that the governments in governments are so fond of in particularly governments that might and if we might be struggling and if we look back a little further for precedents, think in 1981 there was a temporary extra tax on banks from high interest rates. 97, a tax on, the increased value of privatised companies . value of privatised companies. now, these were new governments at the time , whereas this of at the time, whereas this of course, is certainly the of the of the rather listless and tired administration . but it does seem administration. but it does seem to me it is politically motivated and it's not even original because labour probably say they stole the idea that conservative stole the idea from from them . so it's a borrowed from them. so it's a borrowed idea . in circumstances that seem idea. in circumstances that seem to me more about popular

measures than any serious attempt to rebalance the economy. okay. so let's bring in alan again here because, look, we have had a long, cold winter so far. and this cost of living crisis has hit everyone. but there are families out there that really are making that awful choice. do i eat or do i eat ? which is insane. awful choice. do i eat or do i eat? which is insane. in this day and age in our country , the day and age in our country, the numbers, the are enormous. 32 billion. do you think they be charged extra tax? obviously, people anyone watching this now, particularly if you are really struggling and paying these enormous bills which they've all gone up like three or four times in household now they're in a household now they're struggling with this and you see these numbers it kind these numbers and it kind of makes feel sick. yeah but makes you feel sick. yeah but this i mean, this is this is this i mean, this is capitalism. and this is what you know, there is it strikes me as sort of. well, it's not surprising that big like this is

making us to make these kind of profits and would be waiting all day if were waiting cap in hand to , have some kind of handout to, have some kind of handout from them. it's just not how it works. but there are measures that the government can take. i mean, as we mentioned to windfall obviously was windfall tax. and obviously was floated taken up sort floated by labour taken up sort of quite quickly by the conservatives but the actual amount of money that that amounted to was a pittance in terms trying to solve the issue of people being able to pay their energy bills. you could do that a little bit more if you want. you could do you know, there are of political decisions that government take. that the government could take. look in the way it has look at france in the way it has nationalise its energy provision with are that with with edf. there are that there are options on the table. but terms of the long term of not just energy prices , but also not just energy prices, but also energy production, the much bigger question is what can the do to provide more and cheaper energy for its citizens? and you know, neither the conservatives the labour party have any kind of exciting plans in relation to

nuclear or indeed they're both particularly the labour party, incredibly cagey about tapping reserves in in the north sea in relation to oil. there is a kind of obsession with green energy which, you know, i think most people on the think that you know if you can cook up energy from wind turbines for solar power brilliant why not let us do . you know of you know any of do. you know of you know any of those renewables. let's give it a go. anything that produces energy a good thing. but as we know from , the long, cold winter know from, the long, cold winter sometimes , the wind doesn't sometimes, the wind doesn't blow. and sometimes the sun doesn't shine. and i think that's the bigger issue is . what that's the bigger issue is. what the government's plan is to create to actually create not just more energy, but energy security, to not be reliant on example energy production from other countries . that's the other countries. that's the question i'm more interested in. let's bring zachary back in. zachary. if you were there in government right now , we have an

government right now, we have an energy crisis and we power our nafion energy crisis and we power our nation is very important . if we nation is very important. if we could do everything great, it would be fantastic. but it comes at a cost, of course. how how would you change things ? well, i would you change things? well, i was talking about what she what she would like to hear from government about what they could do in regard to provision of more energy, better energy, cheaper energy . if it were me in cheaper energy. if it were me in government , i would be cheaper energy. if it were me in government, i would be minded to let the oil , government, i would be minded to let the oil, gas and energy companies get on with it, giving incentives to do all the great things that the ravages this isn't doing, but not looking at look upon it as being government to do it for them. surely the role of government is to create the right conditions so that private companies can flourish and do what is necessary to, provide the services of the people . what if they make these people. what if they make these so—called extraordinary profits along the way . good luck to them

along the way. good luck to them . and the government will collect more tax as a consequence of those profits. look, it has sort of talk, hasn't there, about a now, let's just ask you this about not having, say, a new nationalised energy company in to try and look at this problem. so actually profits allowed back into that rather than going into private shareholders pockets . private shareholders pockets. would that be a great idea? i don't the whole way could be a great idea. and could does the important word because you know, for example, there are lots things that have been privatised over the last ten, 20, 30 years that government know governments basically promised it would be much better than the old nationalised systems and they proven not to be . what you need proven not to be. what you need is zachary's kind , you know , is zachary's kind, you know, hinted at this. you need a government that has a clear path. and the authority and the kind of the gumption, the guts to go ahead with something inspiring something along the lines of investment, a kind of a big idea . you can't point to any big idea. you can't point to any politician at the moment who has

that. and i know that sounds very defeatist out of me, but there that does you know, there is that does you know, perhaps would disagree perhaps where i would disagree with, i think you do with, zachary, is i think you do need government is quite need a government that is quite interventionist does interventionist that does actually pressure on you know energy companies are not going to fancy doing to say you know we fancy doing at moment is taking big at the moment is taking a big risk a new power plant and risk on a new power plant and risking loads of money. they're not going do unless you lean not going to do unless you lean on would like on them. so i would like a government that did little bit government that did a little bit more more sharp elbows. more a bit more sharp elbows. all zachary, thank you all right, zachary, thank you very much for joining all right, zachary, thank you very much forjoining us. have a nice leicester nice evening in leicester watching news tonight. out of watching gb news tonight. out of the thank you very much the moment. thank you very much indeed. the break indeed. join me after the break where be discussing where we will be discussing whether the whether king charles. the third is monarch of the people is the monarch of the people after it's revealed to sovereign will be opening up royal will be opening up three royal residences to help those struggling with cost of living struggling with a cost of living . don't go anywhere. back . please don't go anywhere. back in .

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jingle. welcome back to mark dolan tonight. i'm neil fox. nice to have you watching. now this is the people's hour. we've been told this week that king charles iii, is set to open up three of his royal residence is to be used as warm to help those suffering with the ongoing cost of living crisis . just months of living crisis. just months into his reign , does this move into his reign, does this move prove that king charles is, in fact, the of the people? well, joining me now is a good friend of the show. it's sue in cheshire. sue, welcome . nice to cheshire. sue, welcome. nice to have you on tonight . what do you have you on tonight. what do you think then? king charles third. how is he doing? so is he the monarch of the people ? i think monarch of the people? i think he's going to go that way. i think he's a very caring bloke and is very sensitive . and i and is very sensitive. and i think he's it more in touch with the people than a lot of people give him credit for. the people than a lot of people give him credit for . and give him credit for. and i sometimes you ought to listen to william a bit more because i

think he's got well, he's got to differentiate between being a dad and being a monarch , because dad and being a monarch, because the aurorae . harry is something the aurorae. harry is something that i think is very difficult for him because , obviously. for him because, obviously. isn't that what coronation is? not a family affair. it's an estate affair . so i think not a family affair. it's an estate affair. so i think he's got to listen his people on that one as well. okay do you think just from i'm inferring from that you think he should probably make sure that harry and meghan don't turn up at the coronation? is that right? yes, because i think if he does if they do turn up, i think there's a high likelihood of them getting really booed and that will spoil his coronation for him . yeah. and i think a lot of him. yeah. and i think a lot of press attention will clearly be on them if they turn up rather than what was meant to the main event of the day. that is that is for sure. i mean, one thing that struck me about about this whole story was how many resonances of because resonances all of their because they must have an awful lot at

my family and i we were discussing it earlier on over lunch to just gosh do they need to start getting rid of some of these palaces ? do they have these palaces? do they have much, much ? i mean, how much much, too much? i mean, how much land of own in this land of they own in this country? and in this in this new monarchy, when i heard everything's be everything's going to be slightly down now, new slightly slimmed down now, a new slimmed down royal, you think slimmed down royal, do you think maybe actually some these maybe actually some of these palaces castles, houses, maybe need to be removed from royal ownership and, give them back to the people full time? well, of course they don't all belong to the royal family anyway. and i don't think we'd be telling all people in the private sector get rid of houses because we think got too many you know, a lot of landlords who've got you know, i've seen landlords with over a thousand properties and nobody's telling them to sell all they know. but they've obviously they've obviously bought the they've obviously bought the they belong in a normal way. and these have been given to them.

let me just bring in ella here, if i may. ella so know. ella, you are not necessarily the world's greatest royalist or monarchist, but but just as as a monarchist, but but just as as a monarch , king charles, it's monarch, king charles, it's a really tough act to follow. queen elizabeth. the second was incredible. 70 years of amazing service to this nation. hardly ever putting a foot wrong . a ever putting a foot wrong. a pretty tough act to follow. how you think he's doing so far ? you think he's doing so far? well, i mean, the lord's only beenin well, i mean, the lord's only been in the job a little while, so i suppose should probably give them a bit of space to see how, you know, getting a bit of time and space, see how he gets on. but the reason why , you on. but the reason why, you know, even someone like me who wants to abolish monarchy wants to abolish the monarchy and interest in who comes and has no interest in who comes to coronation, of it can to any coronation, the of it can understand that reason why understand that the reason why the late was so popular amongst such a successful monarch was because she drew very clear line in terms of that what said in terms of private lives and the pubuc terms of private lives and the public life of crown of the monarch and we know that from

charles's history as the prince of wales he was very very vocal more so than his mother terms of, you know, political . he made of, you know, political. he made it very clear what were his kind of pet hobbies and his pet issues in relation to the environment. he was very interventionist politically in many times . you know, similarly many times. you know, similarly this kind of move to create some warm spaces for poor people in his residences, you know , think his residences, you know, think it is. i think that's a danger and it backfires because i mean, if i was one of those poor people who was going into a grand palace to keep warm , you grand palace to keep warm, you might think it begs the question , well, if you can do this, why not of let me have one of the candlesticks to pawn to pay my bill? i mean, you know, there's a there's a kind of a sort of very kind of old fashioned elitist kind of tends to all of this, which that the deserving poor who you'll kind of give out a few copies to christmas does

that there's an element of that of that to this and i think probably the more interesting and bigger question is why is that we live in a society in which the king has to allow a few people to come in and warm their feet by fire. you know, in 2023. why is that something happening? i mean, the sad thing is, of course, he's slightly if he does , if he don't, if he he does, if he don't, if he doesn't. right. because if he did nothing about this at all, then people say, why are you not getting involved ? he of getting involved? fact he is, of course, could have a backlash. maybe you're saying say what's he's to say ? i know he's going to say? i know obviously monarchist . do you obviously a monarchist. do you think is right? don't you think maybe this could backfire in any way or do you think it is it will be seen by most people as this is just a really nice thing to do. i mean, i'll be saying has a really nice thing. i mean, to that's left wing that that is hates the monarchy and of the day you got me he's thinking of the people nobody mentions poll people come in and warming feet by the fire nobody anything

about the councils allowing to go into their properties to keep warm especially the old because addition to them people they actually get socialised you know people socially talking to them for a change. so it's not just keeping warm, it's giving them sort of company as well and these and that's where you don't know what is like to be lonely i'm should be lonely yourself i hope that having company is important as well as keeping warm. i can totally understand that. obviously very emotional for you so the thing is with you were talking about how the queen really kept out of some of these big affairs . really kept out of some of these big affairs. i suppose really kept out of some of these big affairs . i suppose the big affairs. i suppose the reality is charles is living in a completely different era than his mother did. so when she became queen, which is very young, no one knew what she

really thought about any because there was was not rolling news. the 24 hour news. the press left them alone or would only talk to them alone or would only talk to them when were allowed to speak to so we never really knew to her. so we never really knew what thought about any of what she thought about any of these . course, these issues. of course, charles's you know years charles's had, you know 70 years to us know what he thinks. to let us know what he thinks. a lot home video, a lot of lot of it's home video, a lot of it has been has been well documented. and of course, you even doesn't say anything even if he doesn't say anything now hasn't said the so now but he hasn't said the so far clearly since he's been king all still there to be all of that is still there to be talked and everyone talked about and everyone knows what are . it will i what his views are. it will i mean, the important thing is that the reason why the lake was so studiously to you know, by the rule in terms of not ever giving anything away in terms of her views or her biases or her preferences or anything , that is preferences or anything, that is because the whole reason in which the monarchy works is that meant to be if you look at the kind of you know, the sort of philosophy behind , it it's that philosophy behind, it it's that it's meant to be this thing that's above the rest of us.

it's the sublime. it's something that we can only look up on and mire and, you know, the in the first century now in 2023, that kind adoration for a, you know, a family who are in that position just by dint of their birth. i think is one some questions and it to just just a reply to sue i mean i absolutely think that there is a very issue with people being kept company and loneliness is a terrible at the moment particularly for older people but the thing councils is we vote councils and we and they then provide we don't get to vote king charles in or out . and that's why in or out. and that's why i think that, you know , there's a think that, you know, there's a problem there. let's put it that way. and i will leave this from there. sue, thank you very much indeed. and thank you for being on the show tonight much. appreciate it. thank you for your contribution. now west midlands police lauded a rehabilitation which they say has saved local businesses

£800,000. so i'll be asking my next guest . we be punishing next guest. we be punishing criminals all, rehabilitating them right . criminals all, rehabilitating them right. this and much more still to come . stay where you still to come. stay where you are. we are back in a jiffy.

welcome back. then to the people's with me, neil fox. now west midlands police of lord in a scheme of rehabilitating offenders who suffer from addiction which they say are save local about addiction which they say are save local abou t £800,000 from save local about £800,000 from reductions in shoplifting . now reductions in shoplifting. now the region's police crime commissioner simon foster has said locking up those who shot to fund their addictions rarely the underlying causes crime. so with this apparent success story, we're asking should we be punishing criminals or rehabilitating them ? so let's go

rehabilitating them? so let's go to good friend of the show. first take on this. it's and dudley . hello there, andrew. dudley. hello there, andrew. nice to have you on tonight. what do you think then? seems like a good idea in their. what do you think then? seems like a good idea in their . yeah like a good idea in their. yeah well i think there's an argument for both of . to be quite honest for both of. to be quite honest with you for punishment and rehabilitation books i think it's the west midlands police have proved in this area the is definitely working . it's a it's definitely working. it's a it's a very good scheme it's cost is very minor compared to keeping prisoners in jail. very minor compared to keeping prisoners in jail . if you send prisoners in jail. if you send the prisoner to jail who's got a drug addiction . what usually drug addiction. what usually happens is that there's a drug culture in the prison and there's no form of rehabilitation. there if you allow an expert to rehabilitate

an offender, then you've got more of a chance to change that person's lifestyle and. it will stop them shoplifting . so stop them shoplifting. so i think this is the main cause of this problem. it's 70% of the people who shoplift basically class—a use a class class—a drug users. so it's a case of being able to work to reduce the amount of shoplifting saving retailers in in this area £800,000. it's a lot of money neal £800,000. it's a lot of money neal. yeah. no, it is i mean, i guess to start with the law obviously has to sure that if some a criminal. obviously has to sure that if some a criminal . well we need to some a criminal. well we need to isuppose some a criminal. well we need to i suppose protect society right to make sure that people are safe so is there dangerous criminal. we obviously need to get them off the streets to make sure that people safety is

safeguarded. but with people like this clearly there needs to potentially another . and it's potentially be another. and it's really interesting there really interesting saying there is scheme let is another scheme now. and let me just you in on one me just bring you in on this one as well. mean, yeah what we've as well. i mean, yeah what we've got to obviously punish criminals, but also want criminals, but we also want to try sure, they don't do try and make sure, they don't do it again. is this is this a good scheme to you? yeah, but the important thing the important thing , rehabilitation, is that , thing, rehabilitation, is that, you know, it what it means is for me anyway , is trying to get for me anyway, is trying to get somebody interested in being a, you know, a good citizen, being part of society again. and lots of people, particularly those with drug addiction have , with drug addiction have, completely fallen out society. they're on the fringes , not they're on the fringes, not interested in protecting own life. they are certainly not interested being good to other. that's it. you know, they're completely isolated . and so in completely isolated. and so in the process of rehabilitation what you're doing is trying to get people to understand that they're community and they're part of community and that, know, and them that, you know, and get them about work with a about that. i work with a tactical debating matters which is a, you know, a debating

competition and they have a project called debating matters behind bars , whether it's where behind bars, whether it's where they go into prisons and get prisoners, basically about the kind of issues we're talking about tonight, you know, political issues , thinking about political issues, thinking about the world and things, you know, getting to know the facts and getting to know the facts and getting comfortable with the fact there is a world of fact that there is a world of opportunity out there. i think that's, know, while your that's, you know, while your work you know, it's absolutely right have to take right so you do have to take a hard line and say you know that shoplifting that you shoplifting or you know that you any any kind of criminal activity is wrong. and it has to be a kind of comeuppance that but i also it's true to but i think also it's true to say that lock people up these say that we lock people up these for kinds you know, for all kinds of, you know, there lot of stuff that's there is a lot of stuff that's illegal that illegal and not illegal that be illegal and not necessary talking about shoplifting. we're talking about things you know, things like, you know, crackdowns sort crackdowns on free speech, sort of actually, can have a whole of actually, we can have a whole other crackdowns drug other about crackdowns on drug use. i think we're too keen to lock people up and throw away the we've actually lost faith , the we've actually lost faith, the we've actually lost faith, the process of rehabilitation. so this scheme sounds very

interesting . let's bring andrew interesting. let's bring andrew back here from dudley. obviously, this has happened your neck of the woods, andrew, and away. it must bring up potentially a little bit of comfort as a sort of a law abiding citizen that actually schemes out there to try and help people. they've help these people. they've obviously problems and they obviously got problems and they need some help and as we found out, locking them up doesn't do any would be up for any good. would be up for funding more of these schemes, maybe more public money going into funding these schemes to try and help yours and other areas safer . try and help yours and other areas safer. yes, i think areas become safer. yes, i think the should be rolled out nationally . the cost of rolling nationally. the cost of rolling it out i think is something £100,000, which is a relative small amounts of money to actually bring in the benefits of a scheme like this. i live quite near to a retail park and my wife was in retail for a long time and she used to tell me some quite horror stories about shoplifters. i used to go into shoplifters. i used to go into shop , they would ring me down

shop, they would ring me down and outs and very people to try and outs and very people to try and control and the people who worked in the shops would quite apprehend see the about going anywhere and hands you know sort of the security were were getting involved to try and take care of the situation but you know it a good scheme it ought to be rolled out and it's you would see the benefits of it to us as time evolves . yeah i guess us as time evolves. yeah i guess it comes down to you know should the law punishing people who do wrong or should they be making sure they don't do it again. i guess maybe there's a bit of both and it always depends on crime. of course. would you be up for a much i suppose a much more open society really rehabilitating completely messing . but rehabilitate, messing. but rehabilitate, rehabilitate , getting more rehabilitate, getting more criminals in this way for other

kind of crimes as well yes, it depends on the level of crime . depends on the level of crime. obviously, azamgarh has just said. i think that with very serious crimes that they have to go into prison and serve their time but for other crimes it's a case of taking the initiative and basically following a scheme like this, which is going to try and rehabilitate people who are doing minor offences. all right . well, andrew, thank you very much indeed . . well, andrew, thank you very much indeed. i . well, andrew, thank you very much indeed . i apologise for an much indeed. i apologise for an argument. we got to speak earlier, but i think we've managed to get my mouth and brain sorted out. now but thank you very much indeed being you very much indeed for being on brilliant people's hour. on a brilliant people's hour. really thanks really enjoy that. thanks to everyone who took part this evening. thank you very much indeed. in canary indeed. to norma in the canary islands. any sussex islands. amanda any sussex zacharie in leicester , in zacharie in leicester, in cheshire, and of course , then cheshire, and of course, then andrew and dudley . thank you andrew and dudley. thank you all. thank you very much indeed . ella whelan as well for being

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with aaron. hi there. i'm howard armstrong in the gb newsroom, the united has shut down a suspected chinese spy balloon that's been flying its airspace this week . the balloon was shot this week. the balloon was shot down by us fighter jets off south coast of carolina after it had flown over sensitive sites earlier in the day. three airports were closed and airspace restrict in the southeast of the country after president joe biden vowed to take care of it on wednesday. when i was briefed , the balloon when i was briefed, the balloon order, the pentagon to shoot it down on one thing as soon as possible . they decided to damage possible. they decided to damage banning one of the ground . they banning one of the ground. they decided that the best to that was when you got on the water try to defend our profile limit successfully kick it down and i want to compliment our aviators who did it and have more to report on this a little later. officer is investigating the

disappearance of nicola bully are appealing for a key witness who they believe was in the area that the witness is a woman wearing a yellow coat seen on pushing a pram in the area where the dog walker and the 45 year old mother of two was last seen in lancashire last friday. nicola's family have questioned the police theory that she fell into the river while her dog, her friend heather, says it's taking a heavy toll . as a friend taking a heavy toll. as a friend of nicky , i am struggling to see of nicky, i am struggling to see how we can take account of theory , a conclusion and you theory, a conclusion and you know, nicky, we need evidence , know, nicky, we need evidence, know, nicky, we need evidence, know where nicky is. and as far as i'm aware there they have not found any. so, paul and nick's parents sister last night am the heartbroken they are living in a living hell and on top that they have all the speculation that out to deal with it's too much it's not fair a number houses

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your breakfast. well reacting to these stories and many more my brilliant tonight of top political social commentator lizzie zita fred fabulous one half of right said fred and the other half of the iconic pop duo is brother brass. other half of the iconic pop duo is brother brass . we can promise is brother brass. we can promise a lively 2 hours here on gb news. i want you to get involved, please. throughout show it's gb views at gbnews.uk eight big debates, big guests and always big opinions. so let's start with this . let's start with this. one to or not to strike. that is the question . i remember the last question. i remember the last winter of discontent very well. i was 17 years old. now, just for the record, i googled this today. history refers to that

winter of discontent as i quote the period between november 17 eight and february 79 in the united kingdom , characterised by united kingdom, characterised by widespread strikes by private and later sector trade unions , and later sector trade unions, demanding pay rise is great then the limits. prime ministerjames callahan and his labour party government had been imposing against you. opposition to control inflation. some of these disputes caused great public inconvenience, exacerbated by the coldest winter in 16 years in which severe storms isolated many remote areas of . the many remote areas of. the country. blimey, that sounds a little bit familiar, right? well on 44 years to today it's a similarly sad state of affairs except this time let's just add in ten years of austerity measures brought in following the great recession of two thousand and seven to 2009, plus the vote to leave the european union and, the years of toxic brexit negotiate lines that

followed. oh, then there's the covid pandemic lockdown , covid pandemic lockdown, including a furlough scheme where we will pay to stay at home and, not to work. then home and, not go to work. then there was the chequebook to buy ppe and find a miracle vaccine . ppe and find a miracle vaccine. oh, and then roll it out to the entire nation, followed by another global slowdown. plus the war in ukraine and a new energy cost of living crisis. oh and the instability of a conservative party in apparent meltdown . giving us for meltdown. giving us for chancellor of the exchequer in just one year and three months, three prime ministers, including liz , is hugely damaging. 44 days liz, is hugely damaging. 44 days in office . well, the stage has in office. well, the stage has set for one almighty showdown . set for one almighty showdown. it feels like a giant volcano that has been building up pressure a decade, which is finally started to erupt . and finally started to erupt. and here we are, train drivers, tube dnven here we are, train drivers, tube driver, civil servants and then even teachers nurses, junior doctors , all striking over pay doctors, all striking over pay and conditions. doctors, all striking over pay and conditions . and now they are

and conditions. and now they are good, decent, hard working people. and let's be honest, although the strikes are hugely disrupt to so many people in this country , i'm sure most of this country, i'm sure most of us can why they are unhappy with inflation raging at 10. everyone's is worth less and less in real terms and in many of these striking sectors , pay of these striking sectors, pay rises, if any, over the last decade have not kept with inflation. so people are generally worse off . now, it generally worse off. now, it should be said that there are people, millions of course around the uk who have also been feeling the pinch for a very long time. but they can't strike or won't strike. so what can be done however much we may try to understand the situation, should the government or any government for that matter allow , strike for that matter allow, strike action where the knock on effect for so many of us prevents from getting to work or going our daily lives. in the case of train drivers or tube drivers , train drivers or tube drivers, for instance, or worse still

potentially put lives at risk . potentially put lives at risk. the case of nurses and doctors should stop such strikes actually be banned . now, i'm actually be banned. now, i'm sure a lot of us have had that thought at some point. i can bet most of the parents walking around my local park on wednesday when they should have been their kids should been at work, their kids should have at school, were just have been at school, were just that. but could it actually happen ? and should ever happen? and should that ever really become law, could it actually work if it was to? of course, measures were clearly needs to be put in place to ensure all parties sat down regularly and created a sensible, honest, ongoing dialogue so that things never came to some crazy head that people strike. but then i'm thinking, shouldn't that happening anyway all the time ? happening anyway all the time? do you like me? wonder how we got to this position? there is, of course, some game playing going on here . this government going on here. this government looks pretty weak right now. and rishi sunak is being tested. what kind leader is he? can he

take on the might of the unions in 2023? can he find a solution to what seems like an ever growing situation . time will. growing situation. time will. money is tight. growing situation. time will. money is tight . the economy is money is tight. the economy is being squeezed badly. a week is , a long time in politics by. fear this is going to be a very long month . so what earth do you long month. so what earth do you think? do you agree? do you disagree ? i would like to know disagree? i would like to know gb views was at gb news .co.uk . gb views was at gb news .co.uk. i'll get your emails after break. now reacting to my big opinion monologue tonight , a opinion monologue tonight, a brilliant panel i konik pop duo. right, said fred . both fred and right, said fred. both fred and richard fair brass are here live in the studio tonight. and we've also top political and social commentator lizzie zita . how commentator lizzie zita. how good evening, ladies and gentlemen. hi. firstly the

friends. how weird to you in this kind of situation, but lovely to have you on our sofa and of course, let me ask you first. so richard, we've pop and trivia so much in the past. here was a very serious situation we find ourselves in in this country. what you think? should strikes ever be banned and could ever happen . destruction never ever happen. destruction never be banned. if they were, it would never happen. because the it would create too much discord. i think in society generally, but also think the wrong people are on strike. i have a feeling that everybody at home would think the house of commons in the house of lords should go on strike. and i think the will run a lot the country will run a lot better they on strike. better if they were on strike. we don't without them. i think that this is a stupid game. we have a prime minister who's up to his nipple in corruption and allegedly, allegedly and i think that if i was a working a working as opposed to a musician

. i would be think well, hold on a second. if these people are claiming all sorts of nonsense on expenses, they got all sorts of contracts going out on pay. they creaming the system as much as can. they creaming the system as much as can . when andrew bridgen as they can. when andrew bridgen stands says stands up and actually says something wants something sensible, nobody wants to . i'd thinking, to listen. so i'd be thinking, hold a second, why should i hold on a second, why should i not what think? why should not say what i think? why should not say what i think? why should not strike? so i think the not go on strike? so i think the wrong people are striking basically. yeah. fred what do you think? i agree with richard. i think . i don't think strike i think. i don't think strike should ever be banned . i think should ever be banned. i think people should have the right to strike if they want to or if they it's appropriate . i think they it's appropriate. i think i think it's a bit of a trickle down theory. think the what's coming out of the house of commons for a long time now has been the sense that people have been the sense that people have been lied to, been poorly represented . they aren't. represented. they aren't. there's massive disconnect. i think people are looking at politicians they look at the wealth of some of the politicians. they look at the money going to uk and they look

at suddenly how much during austerity. suddenly we had 4 billion for the was the irish party called 0 the democratic dp. d0 party called 0 the democratic dp. do you think peace. yeah. yes. thank you. yeah. gerry it was 74 billion for deep and we were told that your money doesn't grow on trees, but it doesn't grow on trees, but it does partly. it does for rishi sunak and. and not so he suddenly felt he had to pay this tax . oh i was surprised. well, tax. oh i was surprised. well, it's so sorry. i just. i go. it's so sorry. ijust. i go. i think it's the minds said, is that trickle down mindset people sick to death of seeing other people benefit benefiting from other people's misfortune. absolutely. so, lizzie , we've absolutely. so, lizzie, we've got this awful situation a lot of people out on strike and actually i'm sure a lot of people, you know, their money, it's not worth what it was for most of us, as it certainly was a year, two years, five years ago. but but what can be done ?

ago. but but what can be done? because money doesn't grow on trees, although actually, fred, ihave trees, although actually, fred, i have to say you know, during the pandemic, it did seem to grow trees. was grow on trees. it was a bottomless and i imagine some people thinking, well, if you could just create a load of money. then could find money. then maybe you could find something us now because something for us now because we need it. do you think, need it. what do you think, lizzie i think both lizzie listen, i think both sides to really sort this out. it's going for too long. it's it's going on for too long. it's hurting too many i agree hurting too many people. i agree that people always, always should be able to strike. it's a bafic should be able to strike. it's a basic freedom . i would never basic freedom. i would never disagree with that . but on the disagree with that. but on the other hand , the public sector is other hand, the public sector is costing other hand, the public sector is costin g £233 billion a year. so costing £233 billion a year. so if we add that another 10, which is inflation, 19, which is what the nurses want, we will have to carry that forward, not just this but into the future . now, this but into the future. now, i don't know what the answer is, but i know that we need to una via demand. so as we say a middle road . both parties need middle road. both parties need to sit down. they need to

discuss it . one of the biggest discuss it. one of the biggest unions said 7. the rail union. i think that's pretty fair. unions said 7. the rail union. i think that's pretty fair . why think that's pretty fair. why can't we give them 7? i think that you know this and i think the nurses in particular really, really should have a good pay rise . at least 10% to be in line rise. at least 10% to be in line with inflation. people are really suffering . people are really suffering. people are really suffering. people are really suffering. people are really suffering and i think that they need to sit down and they need to sort this out quickly. if they cannot sort out quickly. if they cannot sort out quickly. there needs to be some kind of skeleton system put into place at the whole country . place at the whole country. doesn't grind to a halt because . we're in a really doesn't grind to a halt because .we're in a really big doesn't grind to a halt because . we're in a really big hole. we .we're in a really big hole. we need out there. we need people working. i mean, do you set. you hope both parties sit . i mean, hope both parties sit. i mean, there's this. if was what i call normal business, they people would be sitting down and having meetings about ongoing meetings to make sure you never get to this crisis point. to make sure you never get to this crisis point . and i'm kind this crisis point. and i'm kind of hoping that there have been

meetings going on for years that people have a constant dialogue. if they don't, they should if they don't, they well should do because we need stop these do because we need to stop these things up to a things building up to a head that's about explode and that's about to explode and exactly we feel, because exactly what we feel, because they like there so they almost like there are so many people asking for many people now asking for money. on earth can you money. how on earth can you literally pay them all? because the amount it will cost? the nafion the amount it will cost? the nation is on believable, but you can't . you're not going to be can't. you're not going to be able pay them all. but there able to pay them all. but there needs to be some level of compromise that is reached for the services that also . we're the services that also. we're talking the nurses the talking about the nurses the tube workers , the railway people tube workers, the railway people getting . come on, guys. get on getting. come on, guys. get on with it. we need the country moving. we need everybody out of their pyjamas and into work. not their pyjamas and into work. not the last question, richard. one question i've got is everything that lizzie says, for example, i agree with, but it's based upon the assumption that people want an agreement. the assumption that people want an agreement . and i'm not an agreement. and i'm not convinced that's. i mean , i convinced that's. i mean, i don't think the government wants the government. right particularly the government . i particularly the government. i don't know whether that's true.

maybe you can me on this. maybe you can help me on this. but i. i heard that the losses incurred by the rail by the rail companies are being covered officially by the government. yes they are. right. that's absolutely true. there is also there are voices saying that actually are certain members of the extreme right wing of the left of the conservative party who want the nhs to fail. exactly. because they want no doubt privatised . absolutely. i doubt privatised. absolutely. i would say the in. so there could be a minority view though, doesn't it? because i think we've discussed there seems to be some cross—party agreement now actually the nhs really needs some help. so hopefully the fringe will keep out of it for the moment. right. you know, it has be said that, you it has to be said that, you know, for the moment know, johnson for the moment we're going to move on coming up in news agenda, i may, in the news agenda, if i may, with panel , should over 50 be with my panel, should over 50 be incentivise to return to work? have fallen out of love with have we fallen out of love with film? are you to prepared bugs for breakfast. we'll have sunday morning's at the earlier time

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teachers pay rises throughout my years of being a teacher. i did get some pay rises. i took pride in educating people , scarlette in educating people, scarlette said. i listen you on the radio for so many years in. jail. hello, scarlet . catriona. i left hello, scarlet. catriona. i left the uk to work a teacher abroad. i've recently to the uk to teach my salary is the same as when it was 13 years ago. i'm against striking , but i can see why so striking, but i can see why so many people are. most people i know are struggling to make ends meet. robert says. i'm sorry. dave says, how can this be when? the oil companies are making obscene, growing are we obscene, growing profits. are we being shafted . if so, why ? being shafted. if so, why? right. keep them coming in. we love to hear your views. gb views at gbnews.uk. okay, it's time for this. views at gbnews.uk. okay, it's time for this . yep, it's time time for this. yep, it's time for the question in which we tackle a news story of the day. well tonight, after tom jones, his 1960s hit song, delilah , was

his 1960s hit song, delilah, was banned by the welsh rugby union, they banned because they thought it had properly magic lyrics about a jealous man stopping his unfaithful lover. now, despite the w, are you banning the song 7 the w, are you banning the song ? it didn't stop welsh supporters today at the opening of a six nations defiantly the song. of course, in the stadium. so we're asking should music be censored? well, joining me now to discuss this is award winning producer and songwriter trey lowe and singer songwriter chip kendal. trey and chip, welcome along. trey, let's start with you. is there ever a time when music should be censored ? never. music should be censored? never. simple as that. to me, i would say never. and i think it's been tried in the past, isn't it? when they brought the stickers out, the albums back in the day because of rock music, etc, and it doesn't achieve the desired results , i would say never. results, i would say never. i think there perfectly well where can legislation in place the

incitement hatred or obscenity laws etc. that would govern music? i think music is creative and creativity should always as simple as that. for me. and creativity should always as simple as that. for me . okay, simple as that. for me. okay, chip , same simple as that. for me. okay, chip, same thoughts. simple as that. for me. okay, chip, same thoughts . still chip, same thoughts. still great. hey yeah . think great. hey yeah. think censorship of music and banning music , things like that. i think music, things like that. i think it probably comes up because music at its core is very powerful and invokes emotion . powerful and invokes emotion. and when people get emotional and riled up about things, they can develop very strong opinions on those things . but i, for one, on those things. but i, for one, am thankful that isn't banned or censored. i read the. i think if some people had their way the song a solo man would be banned from the bible. so or it's some of the songs for that matter. but i'm thankful that they've actually stood the test of time and i'm not saying that tom jones is as good as the writer king david but i'm just saying that music itself, i can see why

people try to ban it. i'll tell you what, this is my best thought on this is what mother teresa, it's better to teresa, she said it's better to light a candle than curse the light a candle than to curse the dark . and i think that's dark. and i think that's a really good approach. i mean let's just write some better songs. okay? i mean, it's in music been challenging, music often been challenging, whether been covering whether it's been covering challenging , wanting challenging issues, wanting change in society anti war, whatever it may . but then whatever it may. but then there's also been obscene songs. i mean, having worked on the radio for many, many years , an radio for many, many years, an awful lot of songs we've had to edit just so they were, you know, they could be. but that's not banning them. i mean, it does seem to be sometimes counter intuitive at the moment. authorities banning a thing. everyone wants to know what it's banned for. i mean, look at relax by frankie goes to audible. it's a example. audible. it's a great example. every kid wants to know when they go out and buy it. so it seems defeat the object. it seems to defeat the object. it goes again. what goes number one again. what happens? delilah and happens? they ban delilah and every fan who have it every fan who have sung it before they're outside the stadium singing the. stadium today singing the. i mean, ever and suppose

mean, will it ever and i suppose is there should there be any sense censorship in in art at all? i suppose is the bigger question or do have to just understand the art. art is there and just has to be enjoyed for what it is and let people make their own decisions. what do you think? right i think you're right. i think it's creative business. and i think i always say to everyone that creativity is there to flow through . you. is there to flow through. you. we almost as creative people don't know what source don't even know what the source of there to flow. and of it is there to flow. and i think it's just valid for that sake it's, it's of the sake alone. it's, it's of the highest expressions a human can ever have is be great. if why would you want to actually sense that especially when there are laws protect and any laws in place protect and if any of these are in music contravenes any these laws and obviously rightly so it's going to come down on like a tonne to be come down on like a tonne of based like you know of bricks based like you know nas hip hop nas once said instance hip hop is for black for is the cnn for black people, for instance. at what point can you sense that imagine it did i did with delilah just hop with delilah just a hip hop a genre. you'd have a whole genre icon. and you draw icon. and where do you draw line? mean, some the best

line? i mean, some of the best music happened the whole music happened during the whole vietnam didn't it. you vietnam war, didn't it. you know, some people anti would you find then becomes find that it then becomes a government we're going government and then we're going down of what the down a dangerous of what the government or the powers that be think okay and what's not think it's okay and what's not okay at that point do we want to live in a society that where everything is filter who is in charge of that. i think it sets a very dangerous precedent . not a very dangerous precedent. not only i didn't even know only that, i didn't even know necessary lyrics delilah. necessary the lyrics to delilah. it's such a fun host and so now what they've done is shone a light now on the lyrics and i thought, wow, i didn't even realise about a jilted realise it was about a jilted lover thinking, i'm going to get my revenge. i mean, imagine. so what by kind censor it is what you do by kind censor it is you shining a light on you end up shining a light on the that you don't the very thing that you don't want people to think about. you imagine it's counterproductive why i would have to. i totally agree you because know agree with you because you know the of times i've played that on the of times i've played that on the radio and sang along to it and i kind of go, oh, i just sing delight, which sing along my, of without really my, my, my of without really knowing it is. actually knowing what it is. i actually did online, write the for.

did go online, write the for. she stood there laughing. i felt the knife my hand . she the knife in my hand. she laughed. . so those are laughed. no more. so those are the lyrics . and i look, i didn't the lyrics. and i look, i didn't even know that, but i do now. and i guess it has a light on it. it's very true now. and i'm guessing that chip, you know, you are a christian music artist and what have you. so i'm sure there are some songs you don't like there are like listening to. there are some find offensive, some that you find offensive, whether some hardcore hop whether it be some hardcore hop or or whatever it may be. or grime or whatever it may be. but i'm sure as an artist you don't want it banned, it's just make choice to listen it or make a choice to listen to it or not. right. 100. i agree with tracey and i think context is everything. i don't know if either of you guys are dads, but when it comes to your kids discovering certain films , discovering certain films, certain songs you do start to have a moment where you're like, hey, not second. i don't know if you're ready for this yet. and i think that there is something to be said being good role models and sure our creativity and making sure our creativity is its game. i really is at the top its game. i really don't like when a lot of

don't like it when a lot of these pop they try to kind of push the envelope a little bit and they try oh how how nasty and they try to oh how how nasty can that isn't the point. can i get that isn't the point. i think the point is to i don't think the point is to how you can get. it's how how nasty you can get. it's how creative you can be. and your message and i think every songwriter would agree with that. i mean, there's a slight dangeris that. i mean, there's a slight danger is that our world has become and i hate to use that word woke but it everyone knows what it means that people are now us songs and now looking us and songs and maybe finding where no offence was ever meant in them or. i was kind of thinking about i look at the rolling stones and brown sugar that was never meant to be in any way a racist. but of course that spans many other songs get banned now because course that spans many other song are at banned now because course that spans many other song are not|nned now because course that spans many other song are not deemedn because course that spans many other song are not deemed okay ause course that spans many other song are not deemed okay inse course that spans many other song are not deemed okay in our they are not deemed okay in our modern and again, i can understand some broad broken justice thinking we have to be careful about certain songs, but you can't actually cancel a song.the you can't actually cancel a song. the song's out and it's to me. i mean, do you think nothing is there any is there any evidence that any song should

ever be or looked at? or do you think, no, everything has literally live die by its own content . i literally live die by its own content. i mean, i would literally live die by its own content . i mean, i would say, content. i mean, i would say, yeah, i mean, we have legislation in place that would probably have a probably the extreme of tracks, right? that's number one. but i think you should always leave people make informed decisions. for instance you know, i'm not at that yet. but what i am and that i may not let my kids see since i've been out and wow for instance from cardi b right now that's a personal choice i think should always be in control the parents personal choice i think should al\do s be in control the parents personal choice i think should al\do that in control the parents personal choice i think should al\do that or control the parents personal choice i think should al\do that or not:rol the parents personal choice i think should al\do that or not butthe parents personal choice i think should al\do that or not but not:)arents to do that or not but not banning it just to the pope because it doesn't achieve desired result. so why banning it just makes things a lot more popular . but it just makes things a lot more popular. but not only that, again, like i said, it then strays the world of it being political. who's going to be the person that will be the power to ban music and under what basis? i mean, we've had recent i know it might've of it might've been a bit of a parody, but they were talking about the week, song

about banning the week, the song natural woman. right. because in today's and i don't to today's way and i don't like to use but some some use what woke but some some people seen as people that might be seen as a bit offensive not to a and bit offensive not to a woman and we don't if it's a parody we don't know if it's a parody know apparently it's from some scandinavian organisation whatever this whatever but you then have this slippery slope everything. slippery slope of everything. it's offend someone at it's going to offend someone at some and genres will some point and hold genres will end banned. i mean, end up getting banned. i mean, i up days of u k garages up in the days of u k garages what i'm known and what i'm known for and legislation came that started to affect livelihoods people affect the livelihoods of people you talking if you know i'm talking about if you're be paid r&b or you're going to be paid r&b or a musical hip then the whole musical hip hop, then the whole place gets shut down. you're now going start effectively going to start effectively people working class people often from working class backgrounds them from backgrounds. i stopped them from earning living. just earning a living. why not just leave decision in the hands leave that decision in the hands of the listener you know, if we find it offensive, we will. and you know, my fellow commentator just said, a lot of just said, i think a lot of people are making music for shock not as good shock value. so it's not as good as was to people naturally . as it was to people naturally. it's position thinking it's not my position thinking people for shock people making music for shock value. we're really bothered about violent about some of the violent misogyny and misogynistic lyrics. something we like. lyrics. let's something we like. so now you're saying things like afrobeat, for instance, started

to to stage because the to take to stage because the lyrics are very wholesome. it's about of stuff about love the kind of stuff that motown have done back that motown would have done back in the hip hop and, in the days and the hip hop and, all other stuff a lot all the other stuff that's a lot more violent, misogynistic, sexual music listening to. like so that's so many things that's facilitated putting his hands facilitated by putting his hands up. most things, of course, up. like most things, of course, it's only a tiny minority of things that get the news attention. vast majority . attention. the vast majority. great music is music at its oh sorry , music at its best music sorry, music at its best music at its best should bring people together right . well, you know together right. well, you know do remember that song is about the money, money, money. we don't need your money. we just want to make the world dance. you know, let's let's get back to one. music is really given to us is a gift from god anyway to bnng us is a gift from god anyway to bring together, not celebrate . bring together, not celebrate. okay. well, thank you . really okay. well, thank you. really appreciate you being here tonight , trey. appreciate you being here tonight, trey. thank you very much indeed . what's the website much indeed. what's the website you wanted say to? so you just wanted to say to? so that was that may now . yeah, that was that may now. yeah, sorry. that was that was a platform we wanted to mention .

platform we wanted to mention. oh yeah. so another thing was actually the platform that i've created called more than men, i'm not sure about what it meant and the challenges that men through. think we see that through. and i think we see that now this so called woke up. i think some of it seems to go down that can a kind of down on that can a kind of masculinity i mean it's not surprising was surprising that someone was penned isn't think penned by man, isn't it? i think it's about their way for men to express themselves a way express themselves in a way that's but it's more that's not toxic, but it's more grounded. it's mindful of people, it allows men to people, but it allows men to really who they are as really celebrate who they are as a quote, more than men a platform, quote, more than men that to celebrate men. that created to celebrate men. so banks allowing me to so thanks banks allowing me to do an thank you very very nice to have you on thanks for your thoughts thank thoughts while they try thank you the way on a you chip and by the way on a twitter poll, a massive 95.6% of you said no to any form of censorship. well, 84.4% of you said yes . well, coming up, we've said yes. well, coming up, we've got tomorrow morning's sunday papers . the earlier got tomorrow morning's sunday papers. the earlier time of 2010, right through until o'clock. later this hour, we're going stateside to catch up with the queen of us royal political and showbiz reporter kinsey

schofield . but next, should over schofield. but next, should over 50 us be incentivised to return to work? we'll see you .

in three right. back with me now and joining me throughout the show my all star panel tonight icon p0p my all star panel tonight icon pop duo. i'm to sexy, right said fred fred and richard here live in the studio. a top and also top political and social commentator lizzie zito . before commentator lizzie zito. before we start, obviously , richard and we start, obviously, richard and fred . censorship in music. fred. censorship in music. i mean , i don't think you should . mean, i don't think you should. and, you know , ever i think it's and, you know, ever i think it's diluted it stands or falls on its content . yeah. people don't its content. yeah. people don't like it. they can turn it off away. exactly. not turn up. buy tickets . i actually agree with tickets. i actually agree with chip about the game, about music in terms of it. it's powerful and. that's why that's why politicians hate it. politicians

always think are like bouncers. they like things to be nice and quiet and they don't want any trouble, you know ? yeah yeah. trouble, you know? yeah yeah. no, you don't smoke , you know? no, you don't smoke, you know? yeah. and the reason london is such a sad ghost of what it was is because have we've allowed the, you know, the anti smoking thing and the anti carthy to take control . and if you want take control. and if you want art to really blossom, you have to take your foot off of the pedal to take your foot off of the pedal. you've got to let people do what they to do. i mean, if you went down the listening decomp , he doesn't want art. he decomp, he doesn't want art. he doesn't want land to be vibrant. he wants be controlled if he wants it to be controlled if you want the so, yes, you want down the road. so, yes, we want it banned. well, we do want it banned. well, who's let's just say we who's going to let's just say we did. yeah, who who's? the judge. yeah, well, there's. yes, there lies lies. as soon as lies the danger lies. as soon as you thinking about it, you you start thinking about it, you just they didn't just can't ban it. they didn't have the postmaster have to ask the postmaster general, do you remember this? i think i think we had ask think oh, i think we had to ask the postmaster and in the postmaster general. and in the postmaster general. and in the you had to submit the west end, you had to submit

every be read every script. i think be read and i think the windmill theatre , where all the girls were topless initially the deal was we can do that but they're not allowed to move really. sure. what are you doing hanging in the wind. yeah there was something that i found deeply shocking and offensive and it was a piece of artwork lost in the tate and it was a moira hindley. oh and was done with children's hands oh. oh my gosh. which was and as a mum i was just because i can't stop from doing it can't, you know i didn't as that's the problem you know i maybe not put it in, in the. yeah. i mean i guess they knew it would court controversy . yes. which meant of course that to me isn't art you're trying to, you know , that's the trying to, you know, that's the conversation anyway. yeah, that's a difficult . but let's that's a difficult. but let's move on. okay. life doesn't just have to be about the golf . have to be about the golf. crikey, we've gone from chalk to upset. just the jeremy hunt last

week as of a drive to plug britain's labour shortage with the over fifties , a fair amount the over fifties, a fair amount of whom have not returned to work after the pandemic tax breaks for oldies were reportedly being considered, a few months back. the latest idea on the appears to be to station job coaches at gp surgeries catching those works by middle aged public health check ups . aged public health check ups. you almost couldn't make it up, right? so what do you think ? why right? so what do you think? why are so many of britain's relatively senior citizens out the workforce? some say this is down to increased commitment . down to increased commitment. others say ageism in the workplace is to blame. while the likes of mr. hunt see early retirement as the scourge, what should be done? should the government even be interfering in the choices of its citizens like this? right. look, we know there's a shortage in the job market. they need people, right? yes 50 local hotels are full . on yes 50 local hotels are full. on the act if we're all of a

certain age. right. so we're all still working nice and hard and loving every second of it. that the pandemic was an interesting time, he says. clubs, inverted commas. yeah and a lot of people didn't go back work after it didn't go back to work after it . should they be made to go ? i'm . should they be made to go? i'm just like, oh no, absolutely no, they can't. then you cannot . they can't. then you cannot. people go back to work at that , people go back to work at that, right? exactly. and you go right? yeah, exactly. and you go back to work. you've all go back. yeah it's not say so . you back. yeah it's not say so. you can't just say three back. jeremy hunt, give you an indication of how out of touch. he thinks all of the golf course . ha ha ha ha. you know, ijust think i look at the figures and basically people who are . 60 to basically people who are. 60 to 65, six, 6% of them have paid off their mortgages right, 61% off their mortgages right, 61% of them believe that they have enough to money last and they're confident in pensions and in their investments that they why would they go back to work, why

do they need to go it's that high it's the it's the figures that i looked up for that well from the and the government on it. well no not really i just try to do my research on it is because i'm so stupid. i have to read where i come on this interest. so i just think why and suits me because the and it suits me because of the disaster of brexit all we can talk about so many people left the country so many young people left and left the country and the government what we need government is not what we need to tax and oh no let's to get the tax and oh no let's get back or the fifties the 65 year to work i think is year olds to work i think is going happen enough. i'm going to happen is enough. i'm really or because there really reasons or because there is massive the labour is massive hole in the labour both you know . it's also going both you know. it's also going to lead to higher inflation. they're not in work . it's not they're not in work. it's not a good situation , but i don't good situation, but i don't think . it's because there is think. it's because there is a certain of them that are sick . certain of them that are sick. but more so than that, probably the pandemic. they thought, well, you know, this isn't a bad home, etc, etc. you know, it's just let them decide where, where the where the jobs are.

for example, job yeah, i looked at this. yeah. well i you might find this place away. well it's, it is, is very often is in this country are two versions. we all know that the pubs the hospitality they all need jobs but that's kind of the jobs for younger either i think you something i just the younger he wants to pull pints when you've a lifetime's of work and you know for younger people so a lot of that is missing also if a doctor or if you're an engine air or you're tech huge amounts of those jobs there. so but a lot of the people who are not working in those have done those jobs. working in those have done those jobs . so, you know, jeremy hunt jobs. so, you know, jeremy hunt saying, oh, giving this big call to come back to work, it's such a well, what's the incentive ? a well, what's the incentive? and to those people that are the golf course, i would say don't know necessarily . go back to know necessarily. go back to work, start a small business,

sell them stuff that they need, not just say, well, i'm going to say briefly, briefly, we got a minute. the long list of complete rubbish that you read out, the politics guilty of from the seventies thing and all the way through. we're blaming the wrong people . don't understand wrong people. don't understand this. we've got a bunch of people, governments in in the house of parliament then lord who have screwed things up continue in this country for the last 30 or 40 years. and now we're talking the 50 year old. we've got to come and save them. i mean, at this stage, we're blaming the people. it's blaming the wrong people. it's complete. understand why complete. i don't understand why . these people are still in the house of commons they can't house of commons when they can't do well , well, well, do the job well, well, well, there. that's the question. right. but how hours have you gone? right. come on. because think get involved. well, think people get involved. well, i to talk about i there's lots to talk about tonight. and hate now you tonight. and if you hate now you wait we've got to 11 wait until we've got to 11 coming up next hour my coming up in the next hour my take at ten do you trust voice activated speakers and wait but next we'll go stateside to catch up with the queen of us royal

political and showbiz reporter kinsey schofield. as another apparent from prince harry's book spare was revealed today . book spare was revealed today. we will see you .

in three. hey welcome back. i'll be having a nice saturday a few of your emails now. thanks very much indeed for taking the trouble to get in contact. sue, why should the government allow public workers to be protected from inflation when the private sector cannot be protected just because employer is the taxpayer? i don't think they should have just what they want. richard says don't forget that liz truss lost 30 billion. that's enough to pay the nurses, teachers a really decent pay rise. stephens says. as a professional musician, i'd like to that music is never only the lyrics , tanya says. why is tom lyrics, tanya says. why is tom jones song to be banned? yeah

harry styles and stormy can sing f you blank. boris seriously, i think it's crazy, right ? keep me think it's crazy, right? keep me coming in gb views at gbnews.uk . okay then it's time . some . okay then it's time. some american news now with the of us showbiz royal political reporter kinsey . showbiz royal political reporter kinsey. kinsey hello. good evening how are you this week the term there but we have a term here called silver fox . term here called silver fox. thatis term here called silver fox. that is exactly what you are and do you know what it means it a handsome man who's gone grey and i'm just i just want to let you know. thank you kinsey. okay. all the checks in the post. i appreciate that. thank you very much. but i've often sat on the and watched the show and, you know, your stuff. so come on, let's get cracking, shall we? got some great stories to get through. your favourite harry and meghan, actor rupert everett has revealed an apparent mistruth. another in prince harry's book, spare me all this

is well, this is what i've been saying over here in the states. if you make the of mentioning harry and in an interview you know all hell breaks loose. i have no idea what rupert was promoting when he did that interview but i can tell you in great detail that rupert says that harry lies about losing his virginity. in his book spare , virginity. in his book spare, rupert says that he knows who harry lost his virginity to. it did not happen . the did not happen. the circumstances harry mentions behind a pub in the countryside , harry's team bit back and said, well, we're so glad rupert thinks he knows all of the details about losing his virginity but this is why i think meghan was invited to oprah's birthday party. you don't see them on a lot of red carpets. they steal the limelight you've got to be careful if you want your interview to be about, don't mention harry and meghan . make mention harry and meghan. make it all about your project . yeah, it all about your project. yeah, it's interesting because we were talking earlier with some the other guests about whether .

talking earlier with some the other guests about whether. king charles iii is as got a problem as monarch he probably shouldn't allow and meghan because there'll be too much spotlight on them and this is actually a state occasion the coronation it's a family occasion at all but as a dad, it probably want your son there, despite what he's been saying. it's interesting what you say about harry and and how if you harry and meghan, and how if you if want it all to be if you don't want it all to be about don't them. about them, don't invite them. jeremy clarkson . more backlash jeremy clarkson. more backlash to the meghan markle comments his who wants a millionaire celeb , a tv special has been celeb, a tv special has been cancelled because some of the female guests felt unhappy about what he had been saying. what is the feeling in us actually about meghan at the moment. that's right it seems like these three women kind of piled on are the reason why jeremy clarkson celebrity special they say it's push but you know it looks like it's been cancelled over these three women that are kind of uniting each other and uniting with each other and pushing against jeremy pushing back against jeremy clarkson over its comments against think that are against markle. i think that are tired the sussexes i think

tired of the sussexes i think that they are overstep here in the states and i don't know i mean i don't necessarily think she's got a fan club out here you know we did see her this week at ellen degeneres and portia de rossi renewed vows that that was an event that we saw them at this week with kris jenner and brandi carlile. and there are actually that jennifer aniston , courteney cox, were aniston, courteney cox, were there just to make them uncomfortable because harry says in his book that he did shrooms with courteney cox and. apparently, courteney cox is not happy about that. yeah, now i can imagine that actually. but also of wouldn't you like to have been at some of these meetings? i mean, what on earth would they have talked about it? it must have been some really strange. that man strange. i mean, that young man has through strange stuff. has lived through strange stuff. and always find and what i always say, i find that a lot of people i know all views about harry, how we felt sorry him as a young boy sorry for him as a young boy growing and everything been growing up and everything been through. to through. and then he seemed to turn into very cool young turn into this very cool young man. was almost in danger of

man. he was almost in danger of becoming coolest becoming almost the coolest royal. he went and royal. and then he went off and did his military service. he did a job and actually a brilliant job and actually everything until after the wedding so well. wedding was all going so well. and it didn't. okay and and then it didn't. okay and then and then it's now gone. so other way. and i think we're bit burnt out, which we get harry and meghan, they get in too much air let's move come air time. let's move on. come on, let's talk. they all say beyonce. yeah, we've yeah i've used go fund me because it's so expensive our upcoming for the renaissance tour. what do you think this does this not drive you crazy neal remember when we wanted concert tickets how would walk the dog? we would do extra chores. we would babysit our neighbour's kids. mean, all neighbour's kids. i mean, all the crap we would. we would collect cans from the neighbourhood and take in neighbourhood and take them in to pennies. dollar. to get pennies. the dollar. i mean we did all sorts crazy mean we did all sorts of crazy things so that we could see in sync the backstreet boys in sync or the backstreet boys in concert. but these kids today, they to beyonce's they want to see beyonce's renaissance, so are setting renaissance, so they are setting up fund me accounts in hopes up go fund me accounts in hopes that strangers pay their way. now, if i could slap every

single one of these people, i probably i mean, i got my butt whipped and i'm a pretty i'm a pretty decent human. i i'm pretty decent human. i don't i'm not feel entitled to have anybody for concert anybody pay for my concert tickets. i mean the world tickets. yeah. i mean the world has gone slightly mad, let's be honest, hasn't it ? the honest, hasn't it? the technology is there and maybe they just think, well, i'll give it a try. if some nut is going to me some money, why not give it a well, i mean, it does actually come to down bigger problem the how expense is it now to go and see a favourite stars.i now to go and see a favourite stars. i know when madonna announced they announced tickets over here they the ticket sold out the 600,000 ticket sold out really we found really the cheapest we found in the uk wa s £165 ago. and see the uk was £165 ago. and see madonna has the cheapest ticket you know it's got out of hand . i you know it's got out of hand. i know that's how the artists make their money. i mean, is there is there a feeling in america that it's crazy to. well, it's just gone crazy to. well, i feel like that's why we were given two kidneys. but, you know, you just put one of those on internet and you sell a on the internet and you sell a body part. and i think that that is really the only option we have you want to harry have if you want to see harry styles up then you have

styles up close, then you have to a body no that's to sell a body part. no that's definitely the tone down. thankfully that, you know, even we're in a recession here, people somehow still find the money to go see beyonce and harry styles in concert . yeah, harry styles in concert. yeah, i'm not not to ask them she'll be absolutely amazing concerts. but by god, it's all getting rather expensive now. but let's keep it on the music for a minute. an all time legend, right? jeff beck is an amazing set of stars turned out for his funeral is slightly sad, of course . but when you see some of course. but when you see some of the superstar mourners, it just shows you the sort of the how he was revered . that's right. it was revered. that's right. it was revered. that's right. it was at st mary's johnny depp who he has been so to over the last few years think was the biggest , biggest draw there. and most people were very excited to . see people were very excited to. see him and expected to see him there . rod stewart, tom jones, there. rod stewart, tom jones, who i know you've spoken about recently , ronnie wood and i just recently, ronnie wood and i just think that this it goes to show you what a legacy this man led

and as one of the greatest guitar players in the entire world and johnny depp was specifically very sad over this death because .jeff specifically very sad over this death because . jeff and specifically very sad over this death because .jeff and his specifically very sad over this death because . jeff and his wife death because. jeff and his wife really supported him throughout . the chaos of that amber heard . and it's not over forjohnny . and it's not over for johnny depp.so . and it's not over for johnny depp. so you who's going to be there to support him in the future? because this is was a really close friendship him kinsey been amazing having you on tonight always lovely. i know mark about you and i can see why i wish you a lovely night and thank you for joining i wish you a lovely night and thank you forjoining us i wish you a lovely night and thank you for joining us this evening, friend. male silver fox. goodbye. thank you. all right. coming up next. thanks for that . my take it ten. do you for that. my take it ten. do you trust voice activated speakers and should we. plus we've got tomorrow sunday papers at the earlier time of 10:20 right through until 11:00 with richard and lizzie to right. through until 11:00 with richard and lizzie to right . get the and lizzie to right. get the macallan on or something a little bit stronger be fancy. i think it could be a fun one.

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at 7:00. and this is mark tonight. i'm neil fox and take at ten in just a moment. alexa should trust you in news agenda. have we fallen out love with film and are you to eat bugs for breakfast? plus, tomorrow's papers are the time tonight of 1020. first up, though , the news 1020. first up, though, the news headunes 1020. first up, though, the news headlines with karen armstrong . headlines with karen armstrong. hi there. i'm alan armstrong. the gb news and liz truss has launched her political comeback just four months after a rapid exit from number 10. writing the sunday telegraph, the former

prime minister says she stands her low tax policies and she's critical of rishi sunak's corporate tax increase. ms. truss blames her downfall on a powerful left wing economic establishment and elements of her own conservative party, claiming she was not given a realist a chance to enact on her policies . ms. truss resigned policies. ms. truss resigned after just 49 days in office following economic turmoil caused by her mini budget . the caused by her mini budget. the us has shut down a chinese spy balloon, been flying across its airspace this week. fighter jets the balloon down over the atlantic ocean off the coast of south carolina . the us believed south carolina. the us believed it was carrying out surveillance on sensitive military sites across the country . earlier across the country. earlier three airports were closed and airspace restricted in the southeast the country after president joe biden vowed to take care of it on wednesday . take care of it on wednesday. when i was briefed on the hong or at the pentagon to shoot it down. one thing as soon as

possible they decided not doing damage to anyone on the ground , damage to anyone on the ground, decided that the best time to do that when they got on the water. try to defend our profile limit the succession or kick it down. and i want to compliment our aviators who did it and we'll have more to report on this a little later . officers little later. officers investigate the disappearance of nicola bully are appealing for a key witness who they believe was in the area that morning. the witness is a woman wearing yellow coat seen on cctv, pushing a pram in area where the dog walker disappeared . the 45 dog walker disappeared. the 45 year old mother of two was last seen walking her dog in lancashire. last friday. nicholas family have questioned a police theory that fell into the river and her friend heather says it's taking a heavy toll as a friend of nicky. i am struggling to see we can take account a theory as a conclusion and you know, nicky, we need

evidence to know when the is. and as far as i'm aware there they have not found any evidence. so, paul and nick's parents and sister last night and the heartbroken they all living in a living hell . and on living in a living hell. and on top of that, they have all the speculation that comes out to deal with . it's too much it's deal with. it's too much it's not fair . a number of houses not fair. a number of houses have been evacuated in, the derbyshire town of belper after a man arrested on suspicion of explosives offences . officers explosives offences. officers were called to a property and a cordon drive yesterday evening and a search uncovered a number of suspicious items. 100 metre cordons in place nearby . roads cordons in place nearby. roads have been closed as bomb disposal experts assess the property . police say they don't property. police say they don't know how long the will be in place for at the moment. tv, onune place for at the moment. tv, online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. but now it is back to near fox .

near fox. where welcome back to mark dolan tonight . big stories, big guests tonight. big stories, big guests , and always some very big opinions in the news agenda . opinions in the news agenda. have we fallen out of love with film and are you prepared to eat for your breakfast? plus, tomorrow's papers at exactly 1020 sharp with full panel reaction . tonight, reacting to reaction. tonight, reacting to the big stories of the day, our top political and social commentator, lizzie zita fred. fabulous one half of right, said fred and the other half of the iconic pop , which had fair brass iconic pop, which had fair brass , too. lots to come this hour. first, my take . at ten. first, my take. at ten. so do you trust voice activated speakers and should we? so six years ago i was working with

some good friends. we were turning a fun game called beat the intro into an app as part our development, we met some amazing in seattle and had given us a new device they were about to launch and they called an alexa speaker . so we to launch and they called an alexa speaker. so we brought it home and we set it up. we were in a meeting one day when after about 20 minutes, one of us mentioned the word elect, sir. and from the other side of the office this female robotic voice said, i'm sorry , i didn't said, i'm sorry, i didn't understand what you said . we understand what you said. we looked at each other and we laughed a little nervously and. then we realised it was on and then realised that must have been listening to everything . we been listening to everything. we said in order to react to the name. and i guess that for many people that's the problem isn't it, for these devices to work they need to be on all time and then they listen to every word we say, turning our voices into a digital sound wave and looking for the right shape of that part of that wave, that matches the

word alexa. when we say it's or whatever the right word on your device, i mean, it's genius technology. and it's incredible , clever. and for many people these devices amazon's alexa google's assistants and apple's siri are the main three. of course , they really have been course, they really have been a life . i mean, think of it for life. i mean, think of it for many blind, disabled , elderly many blind, disabled, elderly people just being able to speak to this device . turn on your to this device. turn on your radio to control your lights, your tvs , heating and so on. your tvs, heating and so on. it's made every day life really a whole easier. so many devices can now be controlled by these voice assistants or apps that a new network is being developed with a nickname. the internet of things. you may have heard of it, but being linked to these devices means they're linked to us and they can harvest really valuable data from about our lives. do i need my new washing machine to be linked to the internet so i can it with an app on my way home? do i need to be able to turn my central heating

on or while i'm on holiday ? and on or while i'm on holiday? and do i really need to be able to tell my car's heat on or even open garage door and let it drive itself out my driveway all by app no, but i mean really clever. there are now estimated 8 billion of these voice activated device out in the world. that's roughly one per person, rather scarily . now, if person, rather scarily. now, if you are one of the many people who won't have alexa or apple or google home speaker in your home because you don't any big brother style on your conversation , then you need to conversation, then you need to give get rid of your mobile phone to , of course, because phone to, of course, because thatis phone to, of course, because that is doing exactly the same thing in fact, a security expert i was chatting to a couple of years ago, he me that if you turn your phone even if you turn it , the only way to make sure no it, the only way to make sure no one can listen into your conversations is to take the battery out. otherwise it still on and it's still listening and it's still sending data about

you and your location . i used to you and your location. i used to think it was such an amazing coincidence when i'd talking to a friend about something on my phone, and the next time i turned on my computer. oh what a surprise. an advert . that same surprise. an advert. that same thing pops up my screen. now, sometimes that can be really useful. sometimes it kind of freaks me out a bit, be honest. but i guess it's part the business model in today's world. should we just trust it ? get on should we just trust it? get on with it? i mean, if we have nothing hide, who cares? hey or should we be sceptical that someone somewhere is listening to everything we are saying and maybe could use it ? to everything we are saying and maybe could use it? us i'm increasingly . i want one of increasingly. i want one of those t shirts that says make 1984 fiction. again . so what you 1984 fiction. again. so what you think? do you love them? have they changed life or do you hate them with a sceptical and scared

of them? i don't want them in my house. gb views at gbnews.uk . house. gb views at gbnews.uk. i'll get your emails after. the break now reacting to my take at ten are a fabulous panel tonight. iconic pop duo the fred's right said fred. that's both fred and his brother richard fabulous are here live in the studio . and we've also in the studio. and we've also got top political and social lizzie zita as well . so lizzie, lizzie zita as well. so lizzie, let me know whether you have an alexa or google home or some form device in your house or no voice free. i have siri on my but no, i don't have any any of that. but no, i don't have any any of that . and also , if you don't that. and also, if you don't want to listen , you can switch want to listen, you can switch off, you can mute the microphone and you also you need to erase your messages if you're using alexa , that will give you alexa, that will give you a level of protection and i don't know how to be text of voice voice messages you need to delete and mute that that's. what? okay. i've been reading

anyway so if you got a device, have you got some form of voice activated assistant in your house for me? that's cool. but what gets me is what i see is voice activated . no, i don't do voice activated. no, i don't do that. voice activated. no, i don't do that . but i voice activated. no, i don't do that. but i think what you said 100% right. you know i would never use don't like the idea of siri or alexa but then i've got my mobile phone sitting in my in my mobile phone sitting in my in my apartment. so you know , i my apartment. so you know, i think, i think technology been brilliant. and i think that take from a music industry point of view, it's really it's been a game changer. some people don't like. some do but it's a when you become rely reliant on this i think it's when the when it becomes dangerous and you open yourself you know, if you if you start to need it so much, it can be taken away from us, which i think is also the thing obviously for some people. you can see incredible this technology% absolutely yeah yeah

for the disabled for blind i mean that makes i mean that makes total sense agree with it's brilliant but there is the big brother element that does freak people richard what's freak people out. richard what's your well i think your thought? well i think i just was sacrificing an awful just it was sacrificing an awful for convenience generally. and i think that the digitisation of is incredibly dangerous . i don't is incredibly dangerous. i don't think we quite grasp what we're walking into here. i have never used siri or any of this other stuff. i think it's really the only time i it once i was round at a friend's house and i asked at a friend's house and i asked a very vulgar question about tony blair and the voice question i can't tell you is we leave it. yeah, we'll leave it. the voice . we do not understand the voice. we do not understand the question. oh yes you do, you do understand the question. you just won't tell me. yeah. so i, it's a, you know, i personally don't use it, i think as you say, for disabled people blind people, it's very handy a little bit like the absence of, you know, tapping of the credit know, the tapping of the credit card useful the card is very useful for the elderly. if they can't remember numbers of stuff. but think we

numbers of stuff. but i think we have what give up have to be careful what give up in the name of convenience so i think what we've given up more than is privacy. than anything else is privacy. there privacy. no there's there is no privacy. no there's not that we with most age groups, except maybe eight year olds plus there's a massive loss of privacy because they are following all the time for data what we eat where we go, what we study there's and also, you know, locations and this that matter with young people a whole massive ethic oh she switched off her location that means you know excuse me i think there's no way she is now one year old. and you want to find where your kids are. that's it. it can be quite useful. some of that mean they all have been that parent . they all have been that parent. absolutely. you mentioned the credit card thing, just the tapping mean, look, the lockdown did mean cash became irrelevant . and an awful lot of places don't take anymore. there's no doubt that every time you tap, there's a whole of going in there's a whole load of going in and you are who you are,

and that you are who you are, what your spending which is scary, which is why people should encouraged never to should be encouraged never to shop places don't take shop in places that don't take cash in our opinion. no, no, no. not in my opinion. in fact, in in fact. oh, they should never, even in fact. oh, they should never, ever, ever go to place that don't take cash because cash you anonymity gives you anonymity and it gives you complete over what you complete control over what you do be shared with do and it can't be shared with the government so cash is the only but i'm sure that this whole sort of anti cash thing is because the government want to know how much we're earning . know how much we're earning. they want the tax. yeah, it's the reason they want the 50 year olds to what? because they olds back. to what? because they want what the tax they want the tax. what the tax they do, you know, the whole making tax digital as well isn't it. if everything, everything do everything, if everything you do and and to go through one and spend and to go through one of those machines it's much harder you have a load of harder yes. you have a load of cash, you maybe something cash, you can maybe do something with if with the cash. of course, if it's just tap, tap, tap either electronically you can actually. yeah. can can i say that, yeah. what can i can i say that, you know, government, the, you know, the government, the, the has backed down from the tax has backed down from this scheme that they were going to put into place a lot of my

family work in film and television whereby every three months you have to give in a tax return. i mean it's a digital every month, every months they've backed away from now they've backed away from it now because it's we're not ready to do but, you know, it's too do it, but, you know, it's too much it's too much, you much control, it's too much, you know . but to and look at know. but to go and look at other look at sort of, you know, rishi sunak's family and other people for , the that they're people for, the way that they're managing tax not the managing their tax not the smaller people. yeah, think if smaller people. yeah, i think if they tax they should come they want tax they should come and get it physically. physically come and get it. it's just i get they just i'm, i get know they certainly like to i get letters from edf saying we haven't had your reading. no i don't your metre reading. no i don't work for edf . thank you. if you work for edf. thank you. if you want read on metre reading, want your read on metre reading, you and it. yeah i only you come and get it. yeah i only sometimes would you them in sometimes would you let them in your house what? there's been all this problem with people coming the house. just you coming into the house. just you bought words. in ten years, you'll have to your own bins out the house put them in the the house and put them in the will. will? true . oh, will. you will? that's true. oh, my . tonight, i think my lovely. tonight, i think we're kind of like the old time looking at the papers because

we've got those coming up at 10:20 with full panel this 10:20 sharp with full panel this evening a couple of other things we're going to be talking about. have we fallen out of love with film and you prepared to eat bugs for breakfast? i got a funny feeling , which it's funny feeling, which it's probably eaten lot worse. we probably eaten a lot worse. we will you .

in three. yeah, right. welcome back to mark dolan tonight. i'm neil fox . let's look at some of your emails. think been very good tonight michela thank you for saying nice things. i'm not going to read it. alex i might blush. david evening panel and team. perhaps the underlying reason so many over fifties have opted out of the workforce as a result of a low wage economy. why should they return to work when they were most probably earning more in the eighties and nineties present day? nineties than the present day? how members the how the younger members the workforce manage these days is beyond meanwhile the gulf

beyond me. meanwhile the gulf widens . susan this is on music widens. susan this is on music being banned. why should we ban tom jones hey, what about bohemian rhapsody ? that's a very bohemian rhapsody? that's a very good point. didn't he hold gun up his head? he did pull the up to his head? he did pull the trigger. i'm dead , yvonne. trigger. now i'm dead, yvonne. people never be stopped people should never be stopped from a good reason from striking for a good reason . but services like nurses, teachers firefighters, ambulance drivers and trains shouldn't be punished punishing the rest of us because their pay rises are not as large as they want to be. there must be a way to sort things out without striking as for people who for songs. people who are offended shouldn't listen offended by any shouldn't listen to it. it's their choice. that's so true. turn the thing so true. just turn the thing off. richard fabbro , a spot off. bob richard fabbro, a spot on with his observations . i on with his observations. i heartily concur the. occupants of the house of commons have been substandard for 30 years. plus, i'm 74, bob. i think plus, i'm 74, says bob. i think observation that guy fawkes the last man to enter parliament with honourable intentions , is with honourable intentions, is true approximately . 30 mps are true approximately. 30 mps are worth crikey thank you and colin . smart speakers are creepy . . smart speakers are creepy. they are smart listeners, spies

in your own home. there are some reaction to some of the things we've been talking about tonight , which has been really good. you can keep it coming in if you want to. it's gb views is at gb news dot uk. keep it coming in. see if we can squeeze more a few of your thoughts and emails before 11:00 tonight. with my very life bleep panel. but here's good news. it is exactly 10:20. it's time the sunday papers . tomorrow 10:20. it's time the sunday papers. tomorrow morning sunday papers. tomorrow morning sunday papers . but papers. tomorrow morning sunday papers. but right now we're going to be looking at just three of them. okay. we've got the sunday telegraph to start with truss i brought down by the left wing economic establishment . right | left wing economic establishment . right i should be joined now and also sorry the mirror my hell as tory mp slave is the front of that one. the

housekeeper at john ogilvy's home had wages withheld. the two women win court battles pair given bizarre avocado demands . given bizarre avocado demands. that sounds like a fascinating story, right? we should have paul cornu, the former editor of the sunday mirror, on with us to discuss these stories. paul i'll be there. and a very good evening . you good evening. we evening. you good evening. we managed to get you a front page arm, which is good so that's what you're leading tonight. some different front pages actually this evening. so yes, tell more about this story that you are breaking. you guys are breaking. millionaire politician, shamed . millionaire politician, shamed. well, that's not that's not one that i'm i giving. of course as a media commentator at the that's going to really set the from the front pages is sunday telegraph and in which liz truss makes her comeback writing a very about why she would write along even though even in her view even it led that meltdown

in the economy and she's promising to keep pressing for lower in the commons with boris johnson also on the new budget i think the front page of the sunday is going to be the one that rishi sunak turns to first tonight or first thing in the morning. i mean, it's to dominate the political agenda over the coming days , certainly over the coming days, certainly tomorrow morning's political , tomorrow morning's political, particularly tv show, which will be focus very heavily on this one. and on unless and it's another sign of the in the tory party because there are a lot of backing from the right of the tory party liz truss, his ideas on, on cutting taxes , which of on, on cutting taxes, which of course is the complete of what you sunak and andrew the chancellor jeremy hunt's position and liz truss from basically has a clear go at them in this. it's a very long read and a lot of it is self—serving

and a lot of it is self—serving and excusing and why i was right, even though we made mistakes and maybe we didn't we rushed it out a bit too soon, maybe i shouldn't have gone to the united nations general assembly and i should have stayed, you know , why was it to stayed, you know, why was it to oversee the mini preparation ? oversee the mini preparation? it's a bit desperate in places, but. but it certainly is going to set the agenda and it's i think to spook rishi sunak is if hasn't got enough. yeah exactly . in a moment with dominic raab in the balance still questions about what knew and when he knew it about zahawi. he's got an awful lot on his plate the moment and then of course, just strikes and more strikes and it's a pretty tough time to . be it's a pretty tough time to. be the prime minister right now it has to be said from your reading of this prime minister. but you know, but he's signed up for. but i think what we're seeing at the moment rishi sunak the moment is that rishi sunak is fairly weak. i mean, he's trying to preside over a deeply divided party when that

languishing over 20 points behind in the poll, it's almost inevitable the within the tory party are going to be fighting each other rather rather than the labour party . is this too the labour party. is this too soon for truss, do you think anyone really cares? i know it'll get people talking, but has she got a chance of maybe coming back? does anyone care? i mean, after the disaster, to be fair when she was in and what it caused the markets. don't caused the markets. i don't think she's deluding herself that she's got any chance of coming back as prime minister probably much less chance that bofis probably much less chance that boris to have boris johnson doing , because there are there doing, because there are there is a serious attempt by some i'm sorry madness in my view but there is there is a move to try to get boris restored and so now in boris course is very high profile in the last few days. and it and often contradicting but you sunak's position but liz truss truss and forestry i think maybe they and their backers

working all will come to working on it to try to actually turn turn really sunak policies around on several fronts all they'll you know or even to it to oust him do think british is insecure although it will be upset absolutely madness for another of prime minister before that general election i think i think the public just find this beyond beyond belief, beyond satire and totally unacceptable . i don't i don't think that the cast will be shedding will be worrying at all about front page of the sunday telegraph. in fact, they welcome it because it's simply divide as the tory government even more. yeah i mean do you think pull the talk of boris johnson, liz truss here and what have young people trying to restore them. i mean it that that's not going to be any good to the country now the

country's in a real mess it i mean how does warring clearly tory party sort out these problems and in a way shut and just let the prime minister get on with it. well, i mean there's very old adage that voters don't vote for clearly parties and not not only that, i think whatever the issues are the thing that the issues are the thing that the keir starmer probably has going for him more than anything is another old adage it's time for a change. after 12 years, the government is looking not just divided but stale by the clueless rather worn out and i think time is the is the fact of that but i think a lot of voters are simply going to say it's time for a change. this might not have been long enough. yeah so that's one of the reasons why. keir starmer i think is sitting on the fence on strikes, why he's not actually exploiting

the opinion polls showing that brexit is now not by the majority of the public think he's just playing it safe in the belief that unless he makes any colossal or misjudgements that the feeling of it's time for a change and the tory divisions will simply mean that he will win, not by a not by a landslide. the are suggesting and i am not jim, but which be at tony blair level landslide if the poll was are reflected but i think people i think you'll get in with the probably at least 2530 seats overall majority and of course the lib dems who i think will increase their number of seats and also the snp . will of seats and also the snp. will apart from a few more independents , probably vote it independents, probably vote it with labour on most policies and

so on. and so the conservatives are in opposition will probably be facing effectively a of 80 or 90 seat majority in real terms because it's not going to be often that the lib dems or the at that they will be voting against the labour in favour. but if tory motions poll it's been really good having your thoughts tonight really appreciate you spending a saturday night with us. thank you. paul carney, editor of the sunday mirror. well, coming up, we've a full round up of tomorrow morning's sunday papers, so don't away. we'll see you .

in three. well, welcome back. it's 1031. so a time for a full up of tomorrow morning's papers hot off the press . right. let's have off the press. right. let's have a look at what is going on at the moment. right. the end are leading with brexit blow to

weddings no eyewitnesses reveal violence and self—harm in a chaotic asylum cist him the sun as we have just been truss i was brought down the left wing economic establish as she writes in the sunday telegraph also the sunday express live at risk after cancer plan is ditched. doctors and charity warn loss of a ten year strategy will water down a fight for a cure on the front of the sunday mirror. my hell as tories and tory mp including which we might discuss. i think rich is keen to pair given bizarre avocado demands . the daily star leads demands. the daily star leads with glitter brawls, screaming locals at his bail hostel . i locals at his bail hostel. i obviously got the sun on sunday. itook obviously got the sun on sunday. i took harry's virginity. we were discussing this one a

little bit earlier on. rupert claimed that that claim is wrong in the harry's book spare . what in the harry's book spare. what look , this is all to discussed. look, this is all to discussed. okay with me, my fabulous panel, lizzie , thank you very much lizzie, thank you very much indeed. we got fred and also richard fab ross writes for fred with us. right. so let's start then independent eyewitnesses, violence and self—harm in a chaotic asylum system. asylum seekers were handcuffed and restrained after self—harming in scenes of desperation at a controversial migrant processing centre. i mean on the one hand, you know, you treat we always have to remember that these are desperate people who have i always think although we can get annoyed at many people potentially have come across they have good money to sit they have paid good money to sit in a dinghy to come across the engush in a dinghy to come across the english channel in treacherous risking their so they are risking their lives so they are desperate to get out to and come here and they are all here. and then you hear these human stories that brings it all

really down a human. it's a really down to a human. it's a problem we need solve, but in problem we need to solve, but in these centres it must . horrible, these centres it must. horrible, don't you think, richard ? yeah, don't you think, richard? yeah, i mean, look , any bad treatment i mean, look, any bad treatment they receive is indefensible . they receive is indefensible. but we've got ourselves into position. we've governments have repeatedly for years and years and years, failed to get to gnps and years, failed to get to grips with this, whether it's the european court of human rights is at fault, i don't know. but there is there's there seems to be no willingness to deal with this properly . and if deal with this properly. and if you look at a map of the uk, there's a map of the uk and it lists every hotel where the are kept. you cannot see mainland of this country for , all the hotels this country for, all the hotels that are full up and there's a hotel near me which is full up. it's think there's more going it's i think there's more going on than we care to imagine. on here than we care to imagine. but any bad any bad behave here by the authorities within camps can't be defended all so this is a i've got all these people coming across and about 40,000 last year. yeah come out to like 300 a few years ago. so it's out

of control. yep. lots of people coming here that we have no idea who they are. no. most it's costing us but also just an all just the number beings. just the number of human beings. yes we stop it? how do we yes how do we stop it? how do we stop an idea? how what do stop an idea? how do you what do think? porous borders think? well, porous borders i don't think porous borders for anybody think the anybody, because i think the people over end up people that come over end up disappointed , treated they it disappointed, treated they it with them with immigration and or migration. it should organic this this forced migration which of i think this policy is crazy a bottleneck i think creates a lot of distrust within communities, a lot of distrust between local communities and new arrivals . i don't i think new arrivals. i don't i think how we fix it he . well clearly how we fix it he. well clearly that's that's got to be government policy. but we don't have a government really, do we? and we don't don't seem to have many very, effective many very, very effective policies. sure all do policies. so i'm not sure all do know is that this this mass mass

immigration benefit either the people in or the communities they go to at the moment because it's forced let's move up and rethink. well it's a really situation because on the one hand these are hearing back home there's plenty of work in the uk because there's all these jobs that need to be filled in the hospitality industry, pubs, bars bars, restaurant, cleaners . you bars, restaurant, cleaners. you cannot get a cleaner for love, no money. and so they're hearing that there's all this work coming over , but somehow it to coming over, but somehow it to be controlled, people have to be processed. i don't want repair boats and murderers to be able to come into this country very, very easily . and i think that, very easily. and i think that, you know , i remember years ago, you know, i remember years ago, my husband was in the building trade and his right hand man would screen coming over because his brother was in the place to sure they weren't criminals. why not happening at the borders ? not happening at the borders? why are the borders so porous

and open that that can happen? look, i'm the daughter of immigrants. i've got nothing against. but people have to be properly processed as my mother , as my father was . i remember , as my father was. i remember when he was naturalised , when he was naturalised, detective came to the house and said, would you fight for the country are you patriotic? we were made stand up. i was telling you during queen's speech there was so much respect . okay. so it's not that i'm it. it's just that it's not out of we don't have enough . you know, we don't have enough. you know, the national health is its knees. we've got a problem in the schools and we've got a problem . the housing and all problem. the housing and all these people arriving. now we do these people arriving. now we do the only thing that we can take maybe up to 40,000 a year, 440,000 years, because i think the work is there . but they need the work is there. but they need to be properly managed any kind . i completely agree with you . . i completely agree with you. any kind of abuse is appalling. but the problem is there are probably overwhelmed you know

the overwhelmed and it's costing surely of the real problems here if you like you're going to solve you've got to get to the root of it and the root is poor people are being they're paying like 5000. you need to find people that are trafficking them, out. special them, sending out. special force. to send somehow force. i have to send somehow just people and sort just find those people and sort them if you if you nipped them out. if you if you nipped it, they're the bottom. they it, they're at the bottom. they couldn't get across in australia. extremely australia. they're extremely tough. are they they go out tough. they are they they go out , they the boats, they give , they got the boats, they give them a really sturdy boat . them a really good sturdy boat. they think the dodgy one and they escort them back . and it's they escort them back. and it's just i just think people just know that it's extreme money. it's extremely easy to come and. on the other hand, we need we need to go to these people. are any of you doctors are you accountants? are you engineers in your country? let's track these people because we need them . we need the nurse. we need them. we need the nurse. we need nurses that make brilliant nurses. so that also should be you know, there are all these available you can apply for

them, but you need to be proper processed . now, i know you need processed. now, i know you need it. you want to get in, but let me just let's just bring in another story here that we were discussing earlier on truss was brought down by a left wing globalist far right talking the across looking, got across all looking, i got to say, a too smug for my say, just a bit too smug for my liking on that yeah after liking on that one. yeah after all damage you want in the all the damage you want in the way of how you show your face. but so thick but maybe they are so thick skinned they just don't care anymore. well, i think to anymore. well, i think you've to be skinned to be be really thick skinned to be a politician in first place. correct? was did a blog. correct? i was we did a blog. maajid nawaz , and what he said maajid nawaz, and what he said that he heard that the was betting against her even to her election . okay that i personally election. okay that i personally think that there was i don't know whether it's left wing i don't know what it was but there was a what they've got in number is exactly what they wanted, which a stooge who will rank up taxes and break this country. that's what i think is happening. and when it goes back to the immigration thing, why is it is it still happening?

it why is it still happening? because to happen. because they want it to happen. they want to with it they don't want to deal with it . absolutely. . do you believe? absolutely. i believe it absolutely. what good doesit believe it absolutely. what good does it do? because what they will negative. and yeah, will face is negative. and yeah, they about negative . they don't care about negative. these on another these people are on another agenda anything care agenda like anything they care about anything i they've about anything. i think they've been pumping poison into people for the last 15 fold, about four or five years, whatever . they or five years, whatever. they don't care about us. they just don't care about us. they just do not. and it's a long and we were talking about inspirational stuff. when was the time you watched a leader this country talk in an inspirational way and, make people feel good about this country? never. i mean, there certainly i remember sort of doing one of my monologues a couple of months ago that was about leaders in the sixties and obviously jfk said, let's go to the moon and just think that, well, you know, we've had leaders in the past that they do had really big ideas and try to have a really big agenda. and at the yeah it's like day to but you know the role would be a politician because look the

amount of cynicism against politicians created by the moment created by themselves . moment created by themselves. absolutely. but who would go as a young person who would go into politics really? because you get torn . and i think i mean, there torn. and i think i mean, there certain people i think rory stewart is amazing. that's why he's not but that's not why he's not working in the house commons. well, know that because he's too if you listen to him talking great brutality of being a politician it's very tough and think that, you know, i mean, personally with liz truss i was half in a little bit sorry for thinking maybe got mental health issues, maybe the whole woman everyone's i look it now she's doing fabulously yeah she's setting himself up to do all those to go america to do all those to go america to do all those she gets paid that wasn't she recently there? did she get the thumbs up from the imf. yeah she did. she isn't has not triggered this . you know, i just

triggered this. you know, i just very, very quickly to what they were saying. i this to say this is going to be there are many who have said the conservative was all about low taxes. yes and she was trying to put a policy there. let's go let's try and have some growth and some lower taxes. she did not take everybody with her and the and the she did not take people with her she did not listen to all the bodies that normal people , the bodies that normal people, all of the governments go through . she did not. and the through. she did not. and the markets in the end didn't trust the things it was so it was so aggressive that she didn't take the markets so well. why would the markets so well. why would the imf give her the thumbs up now? what would be the reason that happening? i've got no idea why they would i this is it's it it did it did now let's let's move on to another story because i mean, this is like chalk and cheese, isn't it? really. we're going to go that onto the going to go from that onto the sun sunday, which we can now put up on screen. oh right. so this

is another story that was breaking. rupert everett said he found another mistake in harry's book spare . a lady's come book spare. a lady's come forward saying i'll took harry's virginity. honestly on radio, we are just the front page to see the way rupert everett says, i know who it was . how does he know who it was. how does he know who it was. how does he know he was even? i mean, really, after the tell him no it's this is a whole slightly crazy thing is with everything that's going on the sun on sunday it's a slightly crazy one. but there you go. we know we're talking it and it'll be a good bit of tittle tattle. yes. sunday's your thoughts on this whole . well i just find him so whole. well i just find him so disappointing i really do i mean this guy could a british i really do think he could be a of british hero. yeah if it if had just done the job you know i really do i this country need it needs people to talk to roll their sleeves up and do the and what you said you said a word there that actually parents say

to their kids really hurts when you go i'm so disappointed but disappointing the sense that i know what you mean. right. what do you think? i will use edge, you know. do you know the answer to the i've got photographic evidence and alexa you had alexa alexa was it the right. yeah. yeah help me out. i mean, i know . who's backing harry? who is .who's backing harry? who is it? yeah great question. i'm going to go last. i have to say , your your thoughts. going to go last. i have to say , your your thoughts . this film, , your your thoughts. this film, please. oh, my god. what can i say? that's not being said. it's just you. he's making a i've try to defend them so many times i defended them . sky news. i try defended them. sky news. i try see it from their point of view. but when you're getting paid a hundred million quid for the netflix series. i kind of lose sympathy because i just think and when he was talking and he said , know, my brother came and said, know, my brother came and he hit me and, then, you know, i fell and i broke my neck. this

he's been in afghanistan . yeah. he's been in afghanistan. yeah. you know, he's wanted. so i brought my necklace and fell into the talk. paul which is what do you think of this stuff ? my youngest daughter at the moment , and ? my youngest daughter at the moment, and she's 16 months and she's listening to his audio version of the book and she was playing me some stuff today. there are some cringeworthy parts and honestly it it's one thing listening to it. yeah oh my. is he reading it. he's really. oh it's just. oh anyway more from the papers next. plus have we fallen out of love with film ? we it. but why with film? we love it. but why with fad. oh, are you prepared to eat bugs for breakfast tomorrow morning? we will see you .

in three. oh welcome back with me until 11:00. my fabulous panel tonight on fine iconic pop duo right set both fred and richard brass are here live in the studio and top

political and social commentator lizzie zita now here's a lovely one for a saturday night last the eu announced that house cricket and pow pow did larvae larvae may grow great as you can say it may be used in the production of several food staples, including pizza , milk, staples, including pizza, milk, young master bugs must be the label, of course, but exactly how clear that labelling actually be remains to be seen. my bet is on the crate as being hidden in the small print alongside the numbers and the additives. insects are a source protein of course, and more sustainable to produce than meat and dairy . so the argument goes and dairy. so the argument goes so can expect similar similar rulings to follow britain. you might not know it, but insects are already consumed in the form of carmine. a widely used food colouring that makes good use of crushed up critters. and will, my lovely here be saving the planet? apparently by having bugs for breakfast? no, no no.

however, is that the same thing i saw on them? a little more crunchy to be found and you go say yeah, it's a look as any of you have eaten bugs. he has you eaten bugs straight food in soweto and disgusting. okay i it was very very powdery and the guys who were looking after us found it so hysterical that i was going to be kind of sick really. it was really it was really. it was really it was really harsh on the tongue maybe you used to maybe i don't want to get used it when i was in the ivory coast i was doing a job there for unilever, went into there for unilever, went into the jungle deep. the jungle was an amazing day and i saw little girl with a baby strapped onto her back. she looking after her back. she was looking after a brother and she was a little brother and she was only five, picking bugs only about five, picking up bugs and them feeding to her and giving them feeding to her little brother and will look quite happily. them i thought, well, it's protein. it's you know, even though i was like , oh know, even though i was like, oh my god, that child is feeding her little brother bugs. but it's you're used to, isn't it?

it's you're used to in it. i mean, foods that we have today , mean, foods that we have today, 20 years ago. listen only people say you eat worms even the teachers at school would say that about italian food . you that about italian food. you know, everybody it but with bugs i would feel much more sort of relaxed about it if i share on the menu of davos, on the menu at the house of commons, build a cover for the noise . noise of cover for the noise. noise of a critter or something like that. no benefits, no. yeah. all this stuff is for just us no benefits, no. yeah. all this stuff is forjust us pros. yes, stuff is for just us pros. yes, that's what i think these it's like know you get john kerry right flying around the world his private jet telling us all not to drive. that's what it is. it's an thing they're all their japanese beef and we'll be eating bugs. yeah. i mean, if it is a good source of protein that we do know that feeding the planet is a slight problem, that there's an awful of food wastage, if it can be made cheaply, easily, efficiently , is

cheaply, easily, efficiently, is there a problem with that as ? a there a problem with that as? a source of protein as a choice , source of protein as a choice, not as an alternative? exactly not as a compulsion yeah, yeah. enough. yeah. okay, yeah . well, enough. yeah. okay, yeah. well, let's get off bugs because i think you put a fancy kebab think you put off a fancy kebab on the way exactly. film on the way here. exactly. film icon joe collins thinks hollywood has gone . she opened hollywood has gone. she opened about missing the golden age of hollywood and thinks movies. now it's just a bit depressed, being confusing, preachy and too long. avatar hours 20 she even goes on as far as criticising awards ceremonies like the oscars the golden globes and the critics choice for their boring chosen winners. so is she right? we fallen out of love with film ? fallen out of love with film? has it all become a bit too safe? what do you think . well, i safe? what do you think. well, i just think that it's become we're more we've seen every story now we've become more sophisticated in a way but some of it is really so boring personally don't like going to the cinema anymore because people eat not bugs but my and

you're trying to enjoy the film . i know people are like downing cheap. yeah oh, what's made over? i wasn't following this . i over? i wasn't following this. i shall try to watch the movie . shall try to watch the movie. exactly. i prefer to wait and see it on netflix or buy at home some there some movies that let's be honest on the big screen so i find it an experience . yeah you know you go experience. yeah you know you go that's true the sound everything now the experience get in cinema is about to up their game because. we've got netflix, we've got apple yeah, yeah we've got apple gold. yeah, yeah true. to make a true. you've got to make it a better experience they have better experience and they have see it's much better see comfy and it's much better off it is it's expensive go this is really really exciting i love movies and what was the last movies and what was the last movie watched. oh my god. movie you watched. oh my god. i remember what we lost. we of we live together, you know , and we live together, you know, and we watched a lot of netflix we watched a lot of netflix we watch a lot of foreign stuff, a lot not argentinean, spanish french, all that stuff. and i like binge watching. we really like binge watching. we really like binge watching so we can just watch a whole series over three or four days. so the last

film i watched, you know, i actually can't remember. i'm not film i watched, you know, i a

then things fairly chilly first thing on sunday morning . but thing on sunday morning. but through the day itself it's looking largely if we look at the bigger and we have the bigger picture and we have this that's been making the bigger picture and we have thi way that's been making the bigger picture and we have thi way southeast, en making the bigger picture and we have thi way southeast, it'snaking the bigger picture and we have thi way southeast, it's across its way southeast, it's across the the day as it's the uk through the day as it's a cold front behind it. we do have colder air coming in so things are to bit chillier are going to turn a bit chillier as we go through the rest of weekend. take a look at the details through saturday night weekend. take a look at the detayou hrough saturday night weekend. take a look at the detayou can gh saturday night weekend. take a look at the detayou can see '>aturday night weekend. take a look at the detayou can see thatiay night weekend. take a look at the detayou can see that hereight weekend. take a look at the detayou can see that here making and you can see that here making its southwards, bringing its way southwards, bringing some of some cloud and a little bit of rain for a time but turning dner rain for a time but turning drier behind it with largely clear skies any showers clear skies and any showers across scotland going to across scotland are going to clear through the night clear away through the night to under clear skies. a little under the clear skies. a little bit particularly across bit chilly, particularly across parts. here, parts. northern ireland here, fairly even fairly widespread, perhaps even a though a touch of frost, though the south through itself , south through sunday itself, then pressure dominating . then high pressure dominating. and so it is going to be a saturday across much of the uk pollen of winter sunshine around though sunshine is going to be quite times because of quite hazy at times because of some level cloud will have some high level cloud will have light but despite light light winds. but despite light winds and the sunshine , it is winds and the sunshine, it is going to be a little bit chillier through albeit chillier through today, albeit not feeling too bad because of

the sunshine as we go through the sunshine as we go through the end of the day on sunday little change across much of england and wales, the thickening cloud across parts of scotland to northern ireland, some gusty winds here too, and perhaps few spots of rain, perhaps a few spots of rain, particularly orkney, particularly for orkney, shetland western isles shetland and the western isles where clear skies where we hold to the clear skies and light winds across and and the light winds across and wales, going to turn very wales, it is going to turn very chilly even towns , chilly indeed even in towns, cities likely to for cities we're likely to for a couple of degrees below freezing in some and in some places and so a widespread wash and also some freezing patches to watch out for first thing on monday through day itself. then monday starting off bright across england, wales, but encroaching from the north—west. so turning cloudy as we go through the day, quite a cloudy picture through much across parts of much of the day across parts of scotland northern ireland scotland and northern ireland and some gusty winds and and some gusty winds too. and few rain staying few spots of rain staying changeable north through the changeable the north through the rest sunny drier rest of the week. sunny drier towards the south, but quite chilly frost and fog