channel hello, i'm alastair stewart. for the next 2 hours, i'll be keeping you company here on tv and radio with. the stories that matter across, the country so the tories need to resolve where they stand , economic policy on they stand, economic policy on growth, on taxation, on deregulation . we will be deregulation. we will be debating that prompted slightly by a remarkable essay that liz truss, the former prime minister written in the sunday telegraph . but as i was just saying to my

michael portillo, i think in respects more importantly and i really recommend it if interested in economics and in politics that leader column today says liz truss has started a crucial tory debate. when we'll have some of that here with people the party all friends of mine and from various of the party across the country. but first, let's bring you right up to date with all of the day's news and here is tatiana . news and here is tatiana. alistair, thank you. good afternoon . this is the latest afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. liz truss claims . she wasn't given claims. she wasn't given a realistic chance to act on her policies when she was in office. in her first major comments on her premiership leaving number 10 writing in the sun telegraph, the former prime minister she wasn't blameless in what happened but criticised a lack of political class support. she

says she stands by her low tax agenda , calling it a break from agenda, calling it a break from leftwards, thinking within the party. ms. truss resigned after 49 days following econo mic turmoil caused by her mini budget earlier today. turmoil caused by her mini budget earlier today . gb news budget earlier today. gb news business secretary grant shapps defended the government's economic plans. think that liz's instincts are conservative in the sense that we want see taxes go lowered over a period of time but i think everyone recognises we've been through you know hell with coronavirus which added wha t £400 billion at least of what £400 billion at least of expenditure. we then had a war in ukraine has pushed up energy pnces in ukraine has pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very very costly . police say a key very costly. police say a key witness in the search for missing mother of two, nicola billy has now come forward. officers appealed for a woman seen on cctv footage wearing a yellow coat and pushing a pram in the area where the dog walker disappeared last friday, lancashire. they've called the speculation and abuse on social

media towards the witness totally unacceptable to all forensic search and rescue specialist peter folding told us he thinks the police need to explore all angles of where nicola could be and not just focus on the river. it be looking into many other other things. they'll be looking at other people within the family. they'll be looking at people lives locally. weather's any lives locally. the weather's any you know sex attack because live locally and things like this i we don't know that nicola could've been kidnapped and being held somewhere against a will she still hopefully will she might still hopefully she be alive. she might she still be alive. she might have with have wandered off just with a mobile phone by a river. that's not enough evidence for me. this needs a lot, you know, we need to clear that river and then that can be ruled out . the that can be ruled out. the nurses union has called the prime minister to make a new pay offer in order to avoid the plans strikes coming up. the head of the royal of nursing, pat cullen , a meaningful offer pat cullen, a meaningful offer could avert the action the nhs facing what many are calling the biggest strike day the nhs has

ever seen. as tens thousands of nurses and staff in england are set to walk out tomorrow and tuesday , the health secretary, tuesday, the health secretary, steve barclay , called the action steve barclay, called the action regrettable , saying it will regrettable, saying it will undoubtedly have an impact . undoubtedly have an impact. patients china says it opposes the decision by the us to shoot down a suspected spy balloon, which was thought to be carrying out surveillance of sensor military sites. fighter jets brought it down over the atlantic ocean yesterday off the of south carolina . earlier, of south carolina. earlier, three airports were closed and airspace in the southeast of the country after president joe biden vowed to take care of it. china maintains it was a weather airship which had blown off course . a series of missile by course. a series of missile by russia have seriously damaged a university and a residential building in the central cox's the blast on the ukrainian city also injured at least three people. however british defence

analysts say moscow has made small advances and its attempt to encircle the city of barnet, which has been the focus russian forces for weeks . it follows forces for weeks. it follows ukraine's president saying the situation on the front lines in the east was getting tougher with. russia adding more and more troops into battle . more troops into battle. pakistan's former president, general pervez musharraf, died at the age of 79 following a prolonged illness. he died in hospital in dubai, having been in a self—imposed exile since 2008. musharraf who seized power in a coup in 1999, oversaw rapid economic growth in the country. he survived several assassination , including from assassination, including from al—qaeda and other militant islamist groups . this is gb islamist groups. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back. alison stewart and friends .

alison stewart and friends. tatiana thank you very much indeed. now, before we get into our main discussion and for this houn our main discussion and for this hour, the state of play and the concern for the party turmoil and what needs to be done to put itself back fighting form . we're itself back fighting form. we're going to get a live update now on the story that featured there in tatiana's and has clearly gnpped in tatiana's and has clearly gripped the nation. police in lancashire are continuing to search for the missing mother . search for the missing mother. two nicola boly. nicola last seen walking her dog near the river wyre just over a week ago . now at the moment, the police that she has fallen into the river, but her friends and family have questioned this theory and as you just heard in that news bulletin, a growing number of former police voices have also closely and critically at the progress this investigation is making. and what they see as some perhaps errors of judgements that have

been made in that investec nafion been made in that investec nation so far. been made in that investec nation so far . we are unaware nation so far. we are unaware any evidence that they have to support theory that nicola fell the river and certainly early on in the programme we had an expert of underwater saying equipment that might perhaps be able to resolve it hasn't even been asked for or used. so let's join once again as we did yesterday. our national reporter who is at the scene for us now, what's the latest i gather there's a positive here as well . yes, it's ten days on since the disappearance of the mother of two, nicola bailey, here, st michaels on wyre in lancashire . michaels on wyre in lancashire. over the last ten days or so, there have been search teams and around the village , many people around the village, many people here in the community getting involved alongside some of the family and friends today. involved alongside some of the family and friends today . the family and friends today. the search is still ongoing. people travelling from different parts of the county to and also look

and support those who are . and support those who are. yesterday there was an appeal for a woman who was walking along this road where i am now, which is only few hundred yards from the lane which the police believe walked while she was walking her dog . and they saw walking her dog. and they saw her here on. and she has come forward and is assisting the police as part of their investigation . the police are investigation. the police are saying they speaking to anybody who does have information and this will be part what they do over the next few weeks. but there has been some issues in terms of a abuse which has been seen on social media and, people coming thing and police are saying please do refrain from doing so as they just want to ensure that they are speaking to people who may have some vital information . and as of what's information. and as of what's happening today , police are happening today, police are still here searching alongside the river bank. and there are many people involved in this. so we don't know how this is going to continue. but the police are saying they'll be here until

they find some critical answers . ithank they find some critical answers . i thank you very much indeed. gb news national reporter theo chikomba there in lancashire . chikomba there in lancashire. and if there are any developments as he alluded to, we will go straight back up to him of course. but first let's get on with main discussion this houn get on with main discussion this hour. just how much trouble are the conservative party in.7 not just as a government, but also a political party. the tory party's standing in the voting attention opinion polls has been dire for what.7 for them is a deeply troubling and long period of time . but it was in the post of time. but it was in the post bofis of time. but it was in the post boris phase that fundamental policy divisions were really underlined and to the fore and recently former leader william hague used his times column and then a speech. he was invited to then a speech. he was invited to the cabinet at chequers . and to the cabinet at chequers. and to suggest that if they could pull together could both recover

their political fortunes and even contemplate a further victory. well, today , heroine of victory. well, today, heroine of the tax group within the conservative party, liz truss , conservative party, liz truss, former prime minister writes her own piece in the sunday telegraph, giving her version of events of what it was like to be a prime minister who and she says even given a chance to have a go at the budget, says even given a chance to have a go at the budget , she wanted a go at the budget, she wanted to do and she talks about the treasury opposed to growth and the party lost its way on growth and taxation and all of rest of it. there's criticisms aimed at rishi sunak and, jeremy hunt's unwillingness to think again on taxation , but she is on the taxation, but she is on the record as saying she thinks taxing businesses higher rates of corporation tax are profoundly wrong and would further limit growth. that was the subject of much of our conversation yesterday . so it conversation yesterday. so it would appear no sign there of

putting together . but that is putting together. but that is partly because are essential questions for the conservative party's . many, like liz truss party's. many, like liz truss believe the party isn't seen to stand any more for lower taxation or indeed for growth . taxation or indeed for growth. it stands for nothing. some are concerned. rishi sunak and jeremy hunt certainly are only in favour of tax cuts when the economy can bear them and the pubuc economy can bear them and the public finances can manage them well. meanwhile, labour is of course being seen by many of you , is now being trustworthy on the economy. that is not my judgement. it is your judgement judgement. it is yourjudgement . in many recent opinion , it's . in many recent opinion, it's difficult to over . how . in many recent opinion, it's difficult to over. how bad the conservative party's prospects are . things stand at the moment. are. things stand at the moment. the largest number of sitting tory mps that most of us can ever remember have already said that they will not be running again come the general election

. whenever that may or may be. backbencheris . whenever that may or may be. backbencher is also repeating repeatedly being told, it says by the whips that if don't support whatever in that spring budget from jeremy hunt, then they will lose the party whip. well, that's not really a surprising given that the is one of the most important votes that any party has to try and get through on behalf of its government. but it has made it very, very clear that the also grow within the party of what rishi sunak and jeremy hunt have in mind, and that's the sunday telegraph says, let's have it out in the open and let's have that public debate now and try to resolve the differences. there are other fringe issues as well. allegation of serial bullying against. mr. sunak close and ally dominic raab persist in the newspapers today. they aren't going away. senior

figures are saying should step aside and that would clear the space perhaps for the resolution . one of the issues that's niggling the government. so it is all about leadership, perhaps judgement and much more besides . and i think it is essentially about what a tory is nowadays . about what a tory is nowadays. on tax the economy and indeed on growth . many grassroot growth. many grassroot conservatives liked what liz truss had to offer in that budget . that never happened or budget. that never happened or never succeeded or got off ground. in reality . in ground. in reality. in anticipation of that, the most mps didn't . and we now know that mps didn't. and we now know that in in retrospection and in history we are speaking to one of those in just a moment. so how does the party both what mr. stands for and believes in and what liz truss thinks is the only way back for the conservative party . thatcher

conservative party. thatcher never reconciled . but what never reconciled. but what ultimately never was recognised with reconciled with by the party. and ultimately, of course they dumped her. well, today i'm talking to folk who really do know just how much trouble the party is in. and if william hagueis party is in. and if william hague is delude himself in saying that if the party can pull together find something upon which to pull together, then they are back with a chance and back in the fight. is it recoverable or is the divide on economic philosophy? however, that debate the sunday telegraph calls for is resolved simply too wide apart from my excellent guests, who you'll be hearing from in just a moment. we really, all of us, like to hear what you think as well being a conservative supporter conservative supporter conservative member or not. email me your thoughts at gbviews@gbnews.uk or do it via gbviews@gbnews.uk or do it via any gbviews@gbnews.uk or do it via any of our social media outlets. well, joining me live here in

the studio, i'm delighted to say , is an old friend of mine, jo—anne nadler political commentator, author and public affairs practitioner. also dom williams, who's been on the programme several times before. dom is the chairman of, the hampstead and kilburn conservatives , and also here, conservatives, and also here, one of my oldest friends in politics, the conservative of parliament for ashford and, of course, former minister in the cabinet office, deputy prime minister damian . thanks very minister damian. thanks very much to all of you. what much indeed to all of you. what did you make of liz truss as safe of all what come to the leader the telegraph in just a moment. well i think for anybody who is prepared to read all of it , it comes across as who is prepared to read all of it, it comes across as a raised and balanced explanation of certainly what she feels happened to her. but i think your introduction was very generous in describing her as a heroine for people in favour of cuts because in many way and many ways i think she's undermined in the case for tax cuts through having been so politically inept in her short

penod politically inept in her short period as prime minister. so there's a lot of self—justification in the article, but unreasonably. so as i say, when you read the whole thing and you see the context. and there's no doubt that she some extremely important and ideas. but politics isn't only about tax cutting and it's also not only about having some good ideas. you have to the personality you have to. it's an art rather than a science . and art rather than a science. and she just wasn't sufficiently artistic. i guess. but it's also it wasn't only tax cuts . i did it wasn't only tax cuts. i did not introduction the issues of whether your average conservative mp if such a thing exists still committed to deregulation , still committed to deregulation, still committed to free markets , or whether all free markets, or whether all conservatives, whatever makes them take are up against a treasury orthodoxy which liz truss says is averse to growth. well, i'm not i do that many

people in the conservative party and i would agree with a great of her analysis on that . but of her analysis on that. but we'd also have to ask how did we get to this position ? and one of get to this position? and one of the things that she acknowledges now, but i think not going back far is the extent to the arguments for free market simply has not been made by the conservative party, the conservative party, the conservative party. she talks about how it triangulated over the ten years or so with labour . but this has really been going on for last the arguments on for the last the arguments for deregulation lower taxes. they one of the low points they just one of the low points in the i say, is that she in the trust i say, is that she claims a mandate for it because and i did a hustings with that one up in manchester. i remember very, very clearly, almost word for word she could not have been clearer about what she and crossing intended to do they got to power and she won. yes she said on that basis, it is fundamentally wrong democratically that she was never given a fair crack at it. yeah, but part of the artistry i'm talking about was not, for instance, coming straight in with the 45 tax cut she had

never flagged and which politically was considered to be very, very inept, albeit as she quite rightly says, it was only returning us to where we'd only been. not so long ago, but in a the dots that she's joining don't add up. because you know , don't add up. because you know, she was a very prominent member of. the cabinet consistently overi of. the cabinet consistently over i mean quite a lot longer than many of her colleagues. over i mean quite a lot longer than many of her colleagues . and than many of her colleagues. and yet she was for all this premature rush to net for instance, which is imposing huge costs on business, huge regulation on business. so know she's got some of it right. regulation on business. so know she's got some of it right . but she's got some of it right. but she's got some of it right. but she did not get all of it right. damian in your view as a one nafion damian in your view as a one nation tory in a broader church? tory is there a cathedra straight political church in the world that's big enough to this division , which is fundamental division, which is fundamental and profound on economic policy? there if people are prepared to be self—disciplined . and i think be self—disciplined. and i think where where i agree with a lot of what john just said, where i

take issue with the analysis in this essay, which is ill served incidentally by the headline in the sunday telegraph, i was brought down by a left wing. i was so that was completely obscure and bizarre. and she doesn't say he doesn't say it. but what is crystal clear, the essay, which i think is quite good, is that there is a kind of orthodoxy from intellectually to just know they know best that that's a fair point. but but of i mean we've all got memories. it's only three months ago she wasn't put by plots within the tory party. the parliamentary party was completely loyal to liz. she was put down by the bomber kids because they didn't accept that unfun ended tax cuts of an indefinite nature, which is what quasi went on tv the weekend after the budget to promise that fight the bond market. and that led to all the emergencies, many of which she talks about in her essay bits of which i think are absolutely spot on whether the obvious for cos she then ended up

determining policy rather than commenting it. so there are of wisdom in there but but the ultimate truth is that so every conservative the reason why to answer your original question the church portion of yes every conservative who is in favour of tax cuts is in favour of deregulation . but one of the deregulation. but one of the things as a conservative you should do is learn from history and. case, learn from and. in this case, learn from margaret thatcher, who there were two big budgets in margaret thatcher's 11 years in power. geoffrey house was the first one where he cut direct but increased vat . he where he cut direct but increased vat. he paid for the tax cuts that he and margaret rather radically argued for at the time. the other budget was nigella lawson, the straight tax cutting budget director and all the things everyone is arguing for this morning. that was nine years later. and the prime ssce that was paid or what the roots that was paid or what the roots that got the tory government to

the point where they could do that was a lot . a really tough that was a lot. a really tough decision making the miners strike taking on the public sector unions topical today and privatising chunks of the public sector . but you have to do sector. but you have to do things in the right order. that's the art of politics making sure that you lead people step by step by step to where you want to go. you can set out the destination. and as i say , the destination. and as i say, every tory would want would a low tax person to be responsible. patrick society. that's what we're about to go. but you can't just say this is what i want and i want it all now. that was that was the failure. i'm afraid of this government and say, you know, you're of a tory if you don't think you have to go through these steps first is, i think, simplistic nonsense. the williams chair of kilburn , williams chair of kilburn, hampstead, i saw your head nodding when i was pointing out the fact that what she did intend to do wanted to try and

do was was there on the record, tested and probed. and i'm members of the party, grassroot members of the party, grassroot members of the party, grassroot members of the party you chair and who you told my team in a note you said know i'll membership's up actually in north london it is because we put boot into labour and we put the boot in particularly sadiq khan. the boot in particularly sadiq khan . you still very sympathetic khan. you still very sympathetic to her? do you believe that that be accommodation between both of these stances as damon's everybody in the party wants to reduce taxation , but only when reduce taxation, but only when the time is right and only when the time is right and only when the economy can afford it. well, we had a policy forum meeting it, and it's, quite frankly , it, and it's, quite frankly, don't think we were all saying things. we're saying more or less the thing. we want to get to that destination. it's how we get to the destination and how we inform people. the messaging that we put forward and nobody can say that the messaging was perfect , you know, in this perfect, you know, in this truss's time, it could have been better and it could have a more

knowledge of the bond market, how the reaction was going to . how the reaction was going to. and i know they did test the market because we've got people who are members who are part of the panel that was tested even by the bank of england but you know it's an art i would agree very much a giant. it's an art, not a science and if it's not if your initial footsteps are not on solid ground , you've got to on solid ground, you've got to change direction. some lot to make sure people understand where you're going to make it a bit more palatable . and you've bit more palatable. and you've got to assuage markets in the same time and that it was a very difficult thing. the would you say and i'd be interested to hear john and damian's reaction hearjohn and damian's reaction to it what's the principal reason that you're hearing from new members that you are recruiting locally into your party, what it is that's drawing them in? well, a lot of things

are local, which, you know what the mayor is doing , the council the mayor is doing, the council is doing these matters. but people are worried also about they're really worried why why are we paying the most tax that we've ever paid since the second world war? that is very much an issue. and people want lobby us. they come in to talk about these to talk about are other areas where we could efficiencies so that we could reach to the destination of decreased regulation which is should i say we're a north london area but we do have a lot of people who don't like our owners onerous regulation that we inherited from somewhere else which i won't bring up that debate secondly is times are rough people. taxes is just one way of making sure that people don't overpay and be able to cope with what's going on. so people are talking about that tremendously

. of course, they know there is a path to get the content of what done said that absolutely fascinating. from my perspective as an observer but but but you're a strategist as well and a commentator. the things that concern folk at the moment not least the cost of doing crisis and making ends meet in the middle of it. that's why so many of them are talking about tax cuts and they hear from the top table that we are led by people who think that a reduction in inflation, the best possible tax cut. it's not a tax cut just means whatever money you've got after you've bought the essentials and paid your essentials and you've paid your taxes perhaps a little further because prices that go up quite so much . well, i mean, the so much. well, i mean, the emphasis on inflation can can feel quite academic, i suppose , feel quite academic, i suppose, when it's articulated by people like me. she sunak and jeremy hunt of , whom the criticism is hunt of, whom the criticism is that they're rather technocratic. but of course , it technocratic. but of course, it is essential. it is absolutely essential, as damian said to it, to establishing the sort of the

solid foundations on which you then can move to tax cuts. and i i've no doubt that the party should be moving to tax cuts. and i think the most positive thing in a practical sense that one can say about liz truss intervention at this point is that she is trying to the case ahead of the budget for i think where she was on very strong ground which is particularly on the corporation tax that she wanted to bring the tax cut rather that she wanted to bring in planning reforms. i mean all of those , i think are essential of those, i think are essential , have been rather sidelined by by the current government . but by the current government. but i'm i'm i'm interested of course i'm i'm i'm interested of course i'm interested in what donna is saying about what's motivating people to come to his party and you know, quite unusual numbers . but i also think that the party's missing something if it feels that tax is the only thing that's going to motivate people, there is a huge big cultural questions there at the moment, which the party has been very

reticent to try, not articulate. and yet we've seen only in the last couple weeks to not make a sort of bold and brave intervention , rightly so, on the intervention, rightly so, on the gender reform issue in scotland and, i think this will start to pay and, i think this will start to pay dividends for the party as well. he needs to be articulate to things that you know many of us feel have been sort of slightly abandoned by the party. this rush for necessary economic stability , of course, but that's stability, of course, but that's not the whole agenda . can i jump not the whole agenda. can i jump in on that? please don't ? and at in on that? please don't? and at that very point, the scottish points that you raised , i was points that you raised, i was unequivocally told by a mother. if we don't support the fact that girls can be girls , they that girls can be girls, they don't get men who call themselves women walking into themselves women walking into the same blue bathrooms or , the same blue bathrooms or, whatever that there is , then she whatever that there is, then she have no she cannot support us. it's a my 14 year old and i think 15 now. yeah must be able

to walk into a safe space and that's one of the big issues. you're right. that's what have been telling us as well you know, i'm in last word to you as . i said i'd love to hear what you thought of not only the content, but the reportage as it were done that that debate that the sunday telegraph calls for, that we're all agreed on, i think is necessary , taking place think is necessary, taking place in concert amongst ordinary members . in concert amongst ordinary members. many of your colleagues don't even want the ordinary members to have a say next time whenever that comes around in determining who the leader of the party is, they want just mpc to be able to sort it out. i'm not very optimistic and we have to our members some kind of to give our members some kind of say that clearly the current system did serve as well. we system did not serve as well. we do to think about that but do need to think about that but not now and i would only issue to two words a warning. one is that the conservative party is not a debating society . it's not a debating society. it's actually a political party that seeks power . and so we've got to seeks power. and so we've got to be more than a debating society.

and secondly , as much as and secondly, as much as obviously, i, i love the members of my association and some some genuinely some of my closest friends in the world. but nevertheless, we need to look not just at them, but people who might vote conservative. yes, we are looking at millions and millions people, not a couple hundred thousand. let's hope we can all thank you all very much for being here and for your contributions and folk at home watching and listening thank you for doing so . agree or disagree for doing so. agree or disagree with that, dawn john damian or give us your own views because we genuinely would love to hear them and we will share them back for the time being. david greene, mp. local party chairman and my good friend jo—anne nadler. commentator and author and strategist. thank you all very much indeed. good see you all and thanks for coming in to the studio. rather than joining on a link. we've plenty more coming up after this break. we have been discussing of course liz truss is broad against the

government's economic policy and the need a profound and fundamental about what the tories stand for on these important matters. what what do you think? do let us know. email us at gb views at gb news .uk. or go to social media and we'll share the best when we get back. more on that after this.

break good afternoon. is 132? i'm tatiana in the gb newsroom. liz truss claims she wasn't a realistic chance to act on her policies when she was in office and her first major comments on her premiership since leaving number 10. writing in the sunday telegraph , the former prime telegraph, the former prime minister says she wasn't

blameless in what happened but criticised a lack of political support. ms. truss resigned after 49 days following economic turmoil caused by her mini budget . turmoil caused by her mini budget. earlier turmoil caused by her mini budget . earlier today, business budget. earlier today, business secretary shapps told itv news that he defended the government's economic plans . i government's economic plans. i think that this is instincts are very conservative in the sense that we want to see taxes lowered over a period of time. but i think everyone recognises we've been through , you know, we've been through, you know, hell with coronavirus , which hell with coronavirus, which added, what , £400 billion at added, what, £400 billion at least of expenditure . we then least of expenditure. we then had a war in ukraine which has pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very, very costly . police say a key witness costly. police say a key witness in the search for missing mother of two, nicola, has come forward. appealed for a woman seen on cctv wearing a yellow coat and pushing a pram in the area where the dog walker disappeared in lancashire last friday. they've called the speculation and abuse on social media towards witness totally

unacceptable . the union has unacceptable. the union has called on the prime minister make a new pay offer in order to next week's planned strikes . the next week's planned strikes. the head of the royal college of nursing , pat collins, says a nursing, pat collins, says a meaningful offer could avert the action the nhs is facing. what are calling the biggest strike the nhs has ever seen as tens of thousands of nurses and ambulance staff in england are set to walk out tomorrow and tuesday . the health secretary, tuesday. the health secretary, steve barclay , has called the steve barclay, has called the action regrettable , saying it action regrettable, saying it will undoubtedly have an impact on patients . a series of missile on patients. a series of missile strikes by russia . ukraine have strikes by russia. ukraine have injured at least three people and seriously university and residential buildings in central kharkiv . however, british kharkiv. however, british defence say moscow has made small advances in its attempt to encircle the city of arms, which has been the focus of russian forces for weeks . it follows forces for weeks. it follows ukraine's president saying the situation in the east was

getting tougher, with russia adding more troops into battle . adding more troops into battle. tv and dab+ radio with tv news now is back to alister . now is back to alister. tatiana, thank you very much indeed. so liz truss claims that she was not given a real estate chance as she has finally broken her silence and written a genuinely intriguing essay account, as it were, of those tncky account, as it were, of those tricky times in the telegraph over her premier's shape and that budget that in the end fell apart . who she blames is apart. who she blames is intriguing , apart. who she blames is intriguing, and apart. who she blames is intriguing , and what she blames intriguing, and what she blames is equally intriguing. we have just had what i hope you would agree is a fascinating with member of parliament, political commentator and the of a local party trying to get the overall an across the beast view of the

conservative party and i'm delighted to be joined live now in the studio by catherine forster who's been doing much the same on the phone face to face and to . talking i was face and to. talking i was genuine intrigued because i've known damian green for a long and i really rate him and. i really trust him that he thinks that the debate on the sunday telegraph for can be and will discover more common ground than differences on growth. the economy and the rest of it. well, certainly who wouldn't want growth and something that liz truss has done is that discussion to the fore because let's face it, one of the most extraordinary things is liz saying that there is almost a pathological paranoia going for growth within , the treasury, for growth within, the treasury, for goodness sake. well, i mean, certainly since the financial crisis, we've had real wages hardly rising productivity has been absolutely . and it hasn't been absolutely. and it hasn't really been very much discussed, has it? so certainly , leigh, has it? so certainly, leigh, there is a need for growth. who

in their mind, wouldn't want to go for ? the question is how do go for? the question is how do that? and of course , grant that? and of course, grant shappsis that? and of course, grant shapps is saying we do want to lower taxes. we're conservatives mean by their nature. we expect conservatives to be for reducing taxes the size of the state. but the government's stressing that at the moment all of it. you know, there has to be a man in theresa may's day repeating again that she was just completely wrong and she screwed it up so well , certainly. it up so well, certainly. i mean, she's admitting herself, isn't she, that the communication great. but of course, you have to bring people with you. and she didn't really make much attempt to do that . make much attempt to do that. she came along saying she was going to be a disrupter. she didn't care about being unpopular and saying not very nice things about the bank of england, about the office for budget, about the establishment , tom scholar, the permanent secretary of the treasury . so secretary of the treasury. so she didn't try to sort of bring

in friends with her and then kwasi kwarteng has attitude . kwasi kwarteng has attitude. this is only just the start and really the markets were really spooked and then we saw what happened from there . what do you happened from there. what do you think the prime minister and downing street established will will make of this interview ? will make of this interview? because a little bit of the cynic in me says, well, hey, it's actually not a very unwelcomed that's quite a good thing from all of the difficulties that he's having and still happening with dominic raab, his deputy he's very close friend. supporter on the rest of it what's the downing street and the rishi sunak take. well so it's a distraction talking about dominic raab, but government wants to be talking about the five priorities. the government wants to be talking about their plans to deal with small boats, about plans possibly pull plans to deal with small boats, abo of plans possibly pull plans to deal with small boats, abo of the plans possibly pull plans to deal with small boats, abo of the european ssibly pull plans to deal with small boats, abo of the european europeanl out of the european european convention of human rights . so convention of human rights. so i actually think this is deeply unhelpful for them. and what it's doing again, is attention on divisions within . the

on divisions within. the conservative party that 20% behind in the polls they've a couple of get togethers recently , people like william hague, like isaac la vido have said you do have admittedly a very, very narrow to victory. it's very narrow, but if you want to have any hope of winning the election as well as delivering on these pledges, you've got to united, you've got to get behind sunak. you've got because the thought that crossed my mind , i read the that crossed my mind, i read the sunday times, i was so looking to reading the sunday telegraph. i must confess that went fast. but front page of the sunday but the front page of the sunday times suggesting that rishi is going to reinvigorate his efforts to get the united kingdom of the european convention on human rights exactly because of boat people , exactly because of boat people, as you said there. and as donald was just saying, on the economy, one of the key standout issues that ordinary members of this party are gravely concerned about. party are gravely concerned about . yes, there's been about. yes, there's been criticism rishi sunak being too nice . and it seems now that the nice. and it seems now that the gloves are to come off because ,

gloves are to come off because, he realises that the number people crossing the channel in small boats is a massive concern. people are very angry about that. brexit one of the pledges was control of our borders. we clearly don't have that and the government are bringing legislation this month in. a word, catherine massively potentially divisive for the conservative party as well between the nasty party and the nice party and the rest of it hugely. but they prepared to go there and if it comes to it, they could put it part of they could put it as part of their manifesto , and that would their manifesto, and that would give them a dividing line with. okay, going to block okay, if you're going to block us dealing with this us again from dealing with this issue europe , then we will issue in europe, then we will pull out there. you have a clear dividing line going into the next election. looking forward to one of our other big conversations on this afternoon, which was brexit about? which is what was brexit about? and camilla tominey is brilliant. that that brilliant. paul that shows that most of you feel worse off as a result it. bit disappointed but wouldn't want to revisit it because you still think on balance it was the right thing to as ever a pleasure

to do. as ever a pleasure catherine thank you very much indeed for finding time for me and us in your busy day. that's catherine forster gb news political from london. political career from london. you indeed are watching and listening to alison stewart and friends with plenty more to come this afternoon, including reports a new wave of bird is heading for the united . so how heading for the united. so how serious might that be? and should we be increasingly worried? well, we'll be discussing that right next. so do stay with .

us and welcome back. you are watching and to alastair stewart & friends here gb news tv and radio. and thank you very much indeed. radio. and thank you very much indeed . so doing. i began the indeed. so doing. i began the morning asking you to get in touch with your thoughts on our big topic of the day . tory big topic of the day. tory turmoil and liz truss fascinating essay in the sunday

telegraph and that fascinating leader column . i'm not here to leader column. i'm not here to sell newspapers but i do recommend anyone interested in politics or economics get a copy and have a look through through it. so let's begin our conversation with you and let's hear what matt had to say. conversation with you and let's hear what matt had to say . and i hear what matt had to say. and i quote truss had no structural economic reforms in her plan , economic reforms in her plan, nothing on energy actually made planning approvals more difficult . restricted housing difficult. restricted housing and gave tax cuts to people who were least likely to spend the money. in fact, if you read the article, she does make a big point that one of the really big things she did do on becoming prime was to introduce a lot of money available for to help with their energy bills . their energy bills. specifically, that's proving my point . read specifically, that's proving my point. read the specifically, that's proving my point . read the article don't point. read the article don't just listen to and other people. delighted to bring peter into the conversation peter says

sadly it will take a defeat and five years of labour government to produce a fitter tory party with sensible policies . how you with sensible policies. how you go . scott says everything exists go. scott says everything exists apart . low taxes. go. scott says everything exists apart . low taxes . the markets apart. low taxes. the markets are so free that they brought her. that's a very interesting to the debate. i know many people who think it was a conspiracy amongst the money men and women to bring down. so there we are . that comes not there we are. that comes not from me, but from one of our viewers and listeners. politicians are not or skilled enough to battle the big banks or the markets . indeed, it would or the markets. indeed, it would seem the treasury, if you read what liz wrote. michael says liz truss, get back . well, i think truss, get back. well, i think it's the daily mail that says that a group of friends of friends are seriously considering to make the leader of the opposition if labour were

win the next general election and there was a change at the top again and so they are. thank you all so much for those comments and for the others that i know from my outside are coming in and we will find time later on in the programme to share a few more back with you. thank you very much indeed. time now for one of my favourite spots on program. this spots on program. although this is gloomy , afraid, it's is a bit gloomy, afraid, it's rural spotlight and i'm delighted joined now by someone that we've spoken to before about the issue avian flu that's been going for on and i say that as someone who keeps and reads about this stuff but also the observer newspaper today there is a suggestion that a new strain of avian flu on its way in during the week it was suggested that mammals, foxes and otters can also contract avian flu. and there's a great deal that anyone could do about

it. and delighted to welcome back the gentleman to whom i was referring , and that is andrew referring, and that is andrew jarrett, chairman of the british e99 jarrett, chairman of the british egg industry council. i'm guessing that that you the situation is still pretty grim because i read a comment from you and your colleagues during the week that there is a growing incidence people hoarding eggs and that that is really not helpful for the industry. what yes, there has been a on egg supply as we discussed previously. it was primarily dnven previously. it was primarily driven by poor returns. but i'm pleased to say that as the starting to come through now, producers are starting to see more money, but the secondary influence has been the losses of birds to bird flu. and i wouldn't say that there's an increase in the number birds being lost, but there is unfortunately, a steady trickle cases still happening . there's cases still happening. there's an awful of people i've spoken to, not least or two on my team here at gb news who who like us,

love free eggs. and if they go to their supplier, unless it's a farmer's market or go to a supermarket increasingly difficult to get hold of . yes, difficult to get hold of. yes, there there is still adequate availability. there was certainly stockpiling when . the certainly stockpiling when. the first pictures came through of empty shelves and so on. but i think that's now sort of settled back. but there are schools which are rationing eggs, so you can't go in and get two dozen and say, if you want, it'll be you'll be limited to maybe a half dozen pack or something like that. you anticipated and are you concerned about the other breaking story during the week that came from the veterinary community? and that is that there is no evidence that mammals like , foxes and that mammals like, foxes and otters and possibly domestic cats and dogs can can, can, can pick this up? because it isn't just free range chickens that carry flu. it's as likely to be

coming from wildfowl well, flying over open ground . yes, flying over open ground. yes, indeed. and as you as you are probably aware , normally with probably aware, normally with birds, you have a season in the in the wintertime which is when breeding birds down to spend the winter in the uk and then they go back up to breed into the arctic regions in the summer and summer. we don't get anything for less summer. we had wild birds still dying flu. birds still dying from bird flu. it was gannets and it was in girls and things that these girls and things that and these cases that have just been announced in foxes and otters it doesn't surprise at all because what probably was happening these animals have been scavenging on dead wild birds commercial birds that bird flu the carcases will be destroyed totally so that that can't happen. but of course, with the amount of wild birds that are dying, bird flu and they'll die anywhere, and then you can't really stop fox or not or another predator going going to eat that that dead bird. and

they will get to big dose of virus and they can be affected by it . the good news, however, by it. the good news, however, is that what not seeing is spread within the fox population from one fox to another. each incident is a separate incursion where they fox or the auto has for a while. the uninfected wild bird given that, given that we're not doing things vaccinations or or preventative treatment of chickens or ducks or geese on on on avian flu . or geese on on on avian flu. does the observe a story that there may be another strain heading in our direction ? is heading in our direction? is that a cause of concern or can that a cause of concern or can that be filed away? it happens i think , would put that in the think, would put that in the sort of rule that says happens. the current strain h5n1. but just like the coronavirus that we've we've had , there are we've we've had, there are different strains , h5n1, different strains, h5n1, different strains, h5n1, different genomes . i think different genomes. i think there's about a dozen what they may be talking about is just

another one of these coming through, because at the we don't have a vaccine that is a separate issue. and i think eventually we will have a vaccine . it is the world is vaccine. it is what the world is working towards . but do go working towards. but if we do go to vaccinate it will have to be done virtually on a global basis. it would certainly need the europe and the usa to the uk europe and the usa to move vaccination . it move together on vaccination. it could happen, but i suspect that's maybe 2 to 3 years away from now . fascinating. we shall from now. fascinating. we shall this space and you are our go to expert on this matter. andrew thanks. breaking into your weekend once again to talk us. that's andrew jarrett, chairman of the british egg, india's go to the top. it's always best, i hope, if you're a farmer or keep wild wild you are having different experiences do let us know perfectly happy to get tweets and emails on as well. but now for another my favourite sports, what we call our good causes lot. it's called that because it's really about good

people and good groups of people doing stuff that makes life a little better for other people out there. now, my next guest was on the program before and we ran out of time and i publicly said, we must come back and she said, we must come back and she said, yes, i can do that , which said, yes, i can do that, which proves that i'm man of my word, which i like to try and prove and it means that i my team thought that this was a really , thought that this was a really, really important subject to discuss . and now after her good discuss. and now after her good friend jackie was diagnosed with parkinson's. friend jackie was diagnosed with parkinson's . madeleine caspary , parkinson's. madeleine caspary, the founder of resonate . really the founder of resonate. really got excited about what the

prospect of it resonate . prospect of it resonate. basically what you want to redefine what it is . i'm happy redefine what it is. i'm happy for me to say. it's essentially a music therapy . absolutely a music therapy. absolutely which we know about and been around for a long, long time it. helps kids with learning disabilities. but the really exciting thing about your sad personal experience is that for degenerative ailments like parkinson's , this is a parkinson's, this is a breakthrough . absolutely. and breakthrough. absolutely. and this work came about because of my personal connection. so my good friend jackie was diagnosed and she was diagnosed quite young with parkinson's . a lot of young with parkinson's. a lot of people think i was going to i going to be very presumptuous there. and i don't know how old you are, but but it perfectly evident to me that you are not a person in their dotage but. how old your she was old is your friend? she was diagnosed in her early forties, which is quite young to be diagnosed with parkinson's. but do was shocked to do you know i was shocked to realise that there a if you realise that there is a if you you got to know i know we you also got to know i know we touched last but touched on this last but evidence music therapy even evidence that music therapy even which we know works very very

well for young young people can equally work very, very well indeed for young people who have diseases , parkinson's. diseases, parkinson's. absolutely so there's lots and lots of facets of this to. the first is the powerful neurotransmitters that are released when you engage with a musical activity. so you really stop manually sabotaging then. and it's interesting that in parkinson's , dopamine parkinson's, dopamine degenerates the brain. so that's a direct simulant to improve the quality of life of living with that that half of answers. my next question but i interrupted then repeat the other of it, which is going to be how does it work? because i know last time you were here, you were saying now there's a whole body of proper grown up academic research that shows that it does work and it is the impact that music, the sound the sound waves , the vibrations, the whole show has the brain, which clearly where so many of these problems present themselves, whether it's learning difficulties for young children or , degenerative

children or, degenerative diseases , for youngish people diseases, for youngish people and older people. absolutely so there's lots of physiological benefits. so when you engage with singing, you really go back to the foundations of breathing and average person breathes and the average person breathes 22,000 a day. so a lot of 22,000 times a day. so a lot of people don't think about breathing. and in the day to day lives, we've got stressful, busy lives. like this. lives. we're up like this. our shoulders up engaging shoulders are up and engaging with activity with breathing activity strengthens abdominal strengthens our abdominal muscles, strengthens the for us to reduce stress , feel better to reduce stress, feel better about ourselves then in terms of working people with parkinson's and degenerative conditions, what you also have is that kind of repetitive which takes away the spontaneous spontaneity of speech. is it also consumption of music or ? is it does it have of music or? is it does it have to be the performance, whether you're a singer or a instrumentalist? so there's actually in there music therapy . there's two types. there's active receptive music active and receptive of music therapy. so when you're actively making what you're what you're doing seeking these, you doing is seeking these, you know, benefits, know, physiological benefits, the creating music in the joy of creating music in a group. but what also getting is

that really really enhanced physical benefit that when you're talking and when you communicate sing sometimes we get that barrier with us and sometimes we're doing crossword puzzles. well, absolutely this whole thing going, but also when you were giving your last answer and that's a lovely and also there, that's a lovely example it as it's example of it as well. it's socialisation as well. and there've been a couple of really lovely examples on television recently of using the choir format in terms of degenerative diseases and other setbacks and. it is simply the act of keeping together and however they choose to, do it. communicating linguistically or perhaps musically. that's it. and it's very isolating when you have a degenerative condition and think it's isolating in terms of some people don't talk how some people don't talk how some people feel that they can't be heard. i work extensively with people who've had strokes and they sometimes have as a symptom. so know exactly what they want to say, but they

articulating it and i think one of the big stumbling blocks with this is that spontaneous rhythm of speech. so i've done things like create music, motifs that people use, the grand people can use, be it the grand duke of york. and giving them duke of york. and by giving them that say, right, you're that beep to say, right, you're going say want to going to say what you want to say this up, dah, dah, dah. say in this up, dah, dah, dah. so that phrase and so that we get that phrase and that triggers them be is this your full time thing? no, i'm a phd candidate, so i'm just about to phd a i teach to finish my phd a i teach a lecture. i'm a senior lecturer, but my main thing is making music accessible . that's really music accessible. that's really why i wanted to start this an initiative. well, i wish you well. i'm not going to invite you back again right now, but. but actually in all seriousness, you be welcome back you would be welcome back because much more to because there's so much more to the story. and i want to know about the research that you're doing pursuit doing and the academic pursuit as for the time being, as well. but for the time being, madeleine, and i'm madeleine, you so much and i'm glad must come back and glad i said must come back and i'm glad that you accepted. i'm but thank you much such an but thank you very much such an important and if want important story and if you want to about it, do look to know more about it, do look it google it. it's original it up. google it. it's original and it resonate and it's got a

brilliant as well. you brilliant website as well. you were listening to were watching and listening to alastair friends lots alastair and friends with lots more. come the more. still to come on the program this afternoon including more on the liz truss essay in the sunday telegraph today their leader column saying the tories need to have a debate about what they really stand for on policy plus where we with brexit. three years on gb news and camilla tominey of commission in some unique research and polling which we will share discuss with you and one to friends of mine who have very strong views on the matter. so all of that still to come and much more besides. but first, we are going to reward you and ourselves with a quick .

break hello and welcome . you've just hello and welcome. you've just joined us. hello. welcome if you've been with us from kick , i you've been with us from kick, i am alastair stewart and we are into the final hour of our programme and i'll be keeping you company here on tv and radio with more. still to come , with more. still to come, including more on liz truss. finally speaking out on her brief period as prime minister and that turbulent period she and that turbulent period she and her team to produce a radical budget . we'll have lots radical budget. we'll have lots more on that and lots more comments . you i hope very much comments. you i hope very much you've been brilliant far so keen coming in plus where are we with brexit three years on but first let's bring you right up to date with all of the day's news here once again is tatiana sanchez.

news here once again is tatiana sanchez . thank you, alastair. sanchez. thank you, alastair. 2:01. this is the latest from , 2:01. this is the latest from, the gb newsroom liz truss claims she wasn't given a realistic to act on her policies when she was in office in first major comments on her premiership since leaving number 10 writing in the sun , the former prime in the sun, the former prime minister she was wasn't blameless in what happened but criticised lack of political support . she said she stands by support. she said she stands by her low tax agenda, calling it a break from leftwards, thinking the party ms. truss resigned after 49 days following economic turmoil caused by her mini budget . turmoil caused by her mini budget. earlier on, gb news business secretary grant shapps defended the government's economic plans. think that liz's instinct are very conservative instinct are very conservative in the that we want to see taxes lowered over a period of time. but i think everyone we've been through hell with coronavirus which added what , £400 billion which added what, £400 billion at least of expenditure . we then at least of expenditure. we then had a war in ukraine which has

pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very, very costly . police say a key witness costly. police say a key witness in the search for missing mother of two, nicola, has come forward . officers appealed for a woman seen on cctv wearing a yellow and pushing a pram in. the area where the dog walker disappeared in lancashire last friday. called the speculation and abuse on social media towards the witness unacceptable. search and rescue specialist peter folding told gb news thinks the police need to explore all angles of where nicola could be and not just focus on the river. we will be looking into many other other things are we looking at other people within the family that would at people who would be looking at people who live locally weather's any you know , sex attackers live know, sex attackers who live locally and like this i mean we don't know nicola could've been kidnapped , being held somewhere kidnapped, being held somewhere against a she might still hopefully still be alive. hopefully she still be alive. she might have just wandered off just mobile phone , a just with a mobile phone, a river good enough

river that's not good enough evidence for needs evidence for me. this needs a lot . you know, we need to clear lot. you know, we need to clear that river, and then that can be ruled out . the nurses has called ruled out. the nurses has called on the prime minister to pay to make a new pay offer in order to avoid the upcoming strikes. the head of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen says a meaningful offer could avert the action. the nhs is facing what many are calling the biggest two strike day the nhs has ever seen. as tens of thousands nurses and ambulance staff in are set to walk out tomorrow and tuesday, the health has called the action regrettable all saying it will undoubtedly have an impact on patients . china an impact on patients. china says it strongly opposes the decision by the us to shoot a suspected spy balloon which was thought to be carrying out civil of sensitive military sites . of sensitive military sites. fighter jets brought it down the atlantic ocean off , the coast of atlantic ocean off, the coast of south carolina, yesterday . south carolina, yesterday. earlier, three airports were closed and airspace restricted

in the southeast of . the country in the southeast of. the country after president joe biden to take care of it. china maintains it was a weather airship had blown off course . a series of blown off course. a series of missile strikes by russia have seriously a university and resident building in central kharkiv . the blast on the kharkiv. the blast on the ukrainian injured at least three people. however, british defence analysts say moscow has made small advances in its attempt to encircle the city of beth mead , encircle the city of beth mead, which has been the focus of russian for weeks. it follows ukraine as president saying the situation on the front lines in the east was getting with russia adding more and more troops into battle . pakistan's former battle. pakistan's former general pervez musharraf died at the age of 79 following a prolonged illness . he died in prolonged illness. he died in hospital in having been in a self—imposed exile since 2008. musharraf who seized power in a coupin musharraf who seized power in a coup in 1999. oversaw rapid economic growth in the country .

economic growth in the country. he survived several assassins and attempts including from al—qaeda and other militant islamist groups . this is gb news islamist groups. this is gb news and we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to atlanta . atlanta. catriona, thank you very much indeed. as tatiana just said , it indeed. as tatiana just said, it seems just like yesterday it but in fact, it's three is since the united kingdom narrowly voted in favour of brexit it and as supporters to take back control. bofis supporters to take back control. boris johnson then prime famously also proclaimed that britain would rediscover the muscles that we have not used for decades . well, three years for decades. well, three years after a rupture in its ties with

europe, the country appears to be anything but mass muscular the public overwhelming only thing that the united kingdom got a bad brexit deal from the european union and reflect on this moment in history. gb news commissioned a. the exclusive people's polling for camilla tominey today on gb news fascinating results which we'll now chew over with a couple of friends and guests . it found friends and guests. it found that just 4% of the public think that just 4% of the public think that the uk government got a good deal . the european that the uk government got a good deal. the european union, 54% say that the uk government got a bad deal. now, among leavers , more than half say that leavers, more than half say that the uk government got a bad deal the uk government got a bad deal. this rises to 68% of remainers . and what seems

remainers. and what seems irrefutable that whatever were once enjoying as part the trade pact that is the european and used to be the eec . it hasn't used to be the eec. it hasn't been successful replaced. now many blame a lack of drive even commit payment on the part of our class, many of whom of course were for remain . never course were for remain. never want any of it to happen anyway . as for taking back control, our borders has not gone well thus far. although we now have the power legally to control movement of people opposed to that clause within , the european that clause within, the european union very constitution that insists the free mobility across union of labour. that's people we can now legally control our borders. perhaps it's just we're not doing a frightfully good job of it. when you see the number of it. when you see the number of people crossing the channel. day in, day out, in small boats

where. whereas labour shortages also demonstrate that perhaps aren't getting that side of the argument right either not attracting the kind of people that we genuinely want to be here , not least in the industry here, not least in the industry of agriculture . and as you'll of agriculture. and as you'll hear a little later on in this programme, may have heard earlier today here on gb news in the aviation industry as well , the aviation industry as well, there's also an awful lot of eu hangover legislation still on our statute book and in one or two of the sunday papers today, it is suggested that if the prime minister tries to sweep it all away , it may prompt a war all away, it may prompt a war with the european union. so look that up if you're interested in it, not a particularly pretty reflection on three years on. and my final point is that the also found that only 2% of the pubuc also found that only 2% of the public believe that brexit has

made them better . richard, to made them better. richard, to use the pollsters , while 45% say use the pollsters, while 45% say it is positively made them poorer . among all leavers, 60% poorer. among all leavers, 60% say it's about the same, whereas 71% of remainers say they are . 71% of remainers say they are. when added . asked i beg your when added. asked i beg your pardon? if they felt that it was the right or the wrong decision to leave the european union. fully 49% told the people polling that it was the wrong move, while 30% said it was right . among people who voted right. among people who voted leave in 2016, 69% said it was the right decision. so three years on, where does that leave us and how far have we really got and are there conversations that still need to take place about it ? are that still need to take place about it? are things going on at this very moment that may one day make it all better , all day make it all better, all worth the angst and pain? nigel

writes in one of the sunday papers today, it's tragically a missed golden opportunity . missed golden opportunity. looking at the polling , it's looking at the polling, it's clear and it's still a topic that divides people and down the country . so i guess we're never country. so i guess we're never going to get over that . it's going to get over that. it's pretty clear as well that there's little or no appetite out there for another referendum or any other form of revisiting this decision. so do you make of that finding and what is your view on brexit and on referenda or whatever it might be? as always, you can email your thoughts on gb views at gb news dot uk or you can tweet it. i'm glad to be joined now by a good friend of mine, baroness clare fox and clare is the director of the of ideas and a former brexit. what i was reading this data the thing that struck me

most forcibly is that for many many people like your good self this wasn't about pounds and pence. this was big political philosophy taking back control as the campaign put it, and enjoying our sovereign rights as an independent nation nation . an independent nation nation. that's absolutely right, alistair. and we still have the opportunity to do that because we all now responsible for the making of our laws, the politicians who make them are accountable to the people , the accountable to the people, the uk. but i think that was one of the kind of mis mis discussions in way and even from some of your introduction is to imply that, well, you know, happened three years ago, whereas obviously the decision to leave the eu was in 2016 and if we remember what happened in the build up to three years ago, most of could not believe what was happening was that the vote

had gone through and it was going to be overturned . it was, going to be overturned. it was, you know, the deals that were presented like theresa may, everybody fell . there was a sell everybody fell. there was a sell out that the establishment just wouldn't let us leave one way or another. and that actually was the thing which i think started in the bitterness because so many people i know who voted had accepted the vote in 2016, but they were almost stirred up into believing it could all overturned. and this was a terrible decision. and all those brexiteers were all stupid anyway, and they didn't stand . anyway, and they didn't stand. and so the deal that got and this is where we get onto the economy, the deal that we got in a way was a death attempt to get any kind of a deal to get us out. and there was no doubt there was major compromises made. everybody i certainly know that gb news viewers will be sympathetic to this, that the fishing communities did not do as well as they'd been led to believe would . and the believe they would. and the northern irish equalisation still allows counties of

northern ireland to stay within the jurisdiction of the european court of justice, which is, i if you were able to i don't know if you're able to watch the programme yesterday, but we had a genuinely fascinating discussion on that very issue with friends in northern ireland. one is the leader of the conservatives, northern ireland, and the other is the boss of the federation of small . there, both whom were optimistic that progress could be made and that those stories that broke during the week that there may be some progress on this , it may actually be this, it may actually be happening happening . i mean, this, it may actually be happening happening. i mean, i'm more pessimistic. i think the northern irish protocol itself is a problem and needs to be got rid of. but if you talk to anyone or certainly when i talk to you know how members of the dup they are convinced that unless we got rid of the protocol the resolution won't be that because it will be about the european of justice having

jurisdiction over parts of . the jurisdiction over parts of. the united kingdom . and the reason united kingdom. and the reason i was stressing that was not to just dwell on that particular was that it was about what we should remember what said . and should remember what said. and it wasn't as good a deal as one might have wanted. but you've got to remember that nobody was trying good deal from trying to get a good deal from 2016 onwards. it was almost, you know, the vote all sorts of verifications occurred. and so i think most of us were to prepared take and i do, you know , say this with some heavy to take the deal that we got as over the line to get us out the european union that was some achievement because people had been warned down and i remember in 2018 actually before i one of the reasons i decided to stand for the brexit party in those elections was i certainly don't i me oh my god, we're not going to ever leave the european union. now what i think has happened that that opportunity has been squandered because

having got the line and boris johnson did have that majority with , that sense of a democrat with, that sense of a democrat dynamism that came from the largest democrat vote in the uk's history , that would lead uk's history, that would lead people to feel that not only the you know, the taking back control was not just britain taking control, but it was ordinary people's capacity to take back control of politics to and a moment where that democrat rights were taken seriously , not rights were taken seriously, not left behind or patronise have condescended to and do feel as though that has in any way being realised . but do you also agree realised. but do you also agree with me and? i, i'm going participate optimistically that perhaps would that it's not only nigel who's saying that this is really a saga of missed opportunities. i've heard lots of people in the city and investment community who are saying the reason that we've not done as well in this phase on

trade is because as it were the ruling elite and that's a phrase that comes to memory from when from one hedge fund manager who wrote a brilliant piece about it, their hearts weren't in it. they didn't want to make it work . they never believed it in the first place. well, let me tell you, that goes on as we speak. i mean, you know, certainly in the house of lords, every single possibility that anything goes wrong in, the uk is brexit's fault. so brexit bashing is still well and truly alive , but still well and truly alive, but we haven't exactly any opportunities . as you've pointed opportunities. as you've pointed out . and that's not just in the out. and that's not just in the hedge fund world, it's in institution instead of everybody going, okay, this was the democratic . now what can do to democratic. now what can do to make the most it and see what the opportunities are? people say and nastily and wilfully say we knew it was going to be rubbish. we said was going to be real and they won't look at

possibilities of opportunities . possibilities of opportunities. and of course we do know , as and of course we do know, as you've said, that there are what are the reasons why brexit was so important was it was about the british politicians not being able to take their decisions over to europe. i mean often laws that we've got imposed by strasbourg were actually the ideas of british politicians, but they were much happier taking them over to brussels and getting them through that and convincing their own citizens in the electorate . the problem now is, electorate. the problem now is, is that the british political elite, afraid are also ring elite, i'm afraid are also ring fencing of many decision making policies and saying oh well what can we do we signed up for an international treaty around net zero is now full of you know and so on and so forth so the frustration that many is that we don't feel is that we have control. so clear. the european convention on human you know better than most is a wing or a division or a bit of the eec or the european in totally different routes and totally

different routes and totally different history, but i think it's the sunday times is reporting today that that if this government sunak really pushes to try and purge our statute books . as you've just statute books. as you've just said, there of that those remain long chunks of european legislation . brussels clearly is legislation. brussels clearly is threatening a war. yeah. well, i mean there is undoubtedly it is undoubtedly the case that the eu are not keen on helping us in this process . are not keen on helping us in this process. i are not keen on helping us in this process . i can't say, you this process. i can't say, you know what you say, that's why we left right that they and there might well be threats of trade, war and all the rest of it. but i do think that it's up to british politicians and informed by the electorate to do whatever they need to do in order to enact what the british voters tell , the politicians to do and. tell, the politicians to do and. control of borders is a key issue now. and the if a european court gets in the way of that, even if it's not part of the eu,

then i think that there is an obugafion then i think that there is an obligation given to look at getting out . and that's the way getting out. and that's the way i look at it . the problem getting out. and that's the way i look at it. the problem is our own politicians don't feel confident they can do it without leaning on these international well then talking well , that was well then talking well, that was talking about opinion , which is talking about opinion, which is where we started . i think you where we started. i think you and i both know that that's what the of british people the majority of british people think as well, claire , it's think as well, claire, it's always a pleasure to talk to you publicly on telly or privately . publicly on telly or privately. thanks time for us thanks for finding time for us this and take care. this afternoon. and take care. thank you very much indeed. britain's claire fox, a former brexit mep, as she said herself , that conversation . i'm , that conversation. i'm delighted now to be joined by another friend of mine as were from from the other side of the argument or in his case actually both sides of the argument and reflect upon brexit three years on with colleague mahmood khalid is a good friend of this programme and always generous with his time in accepting invitations that we issued to him as often as we can do it,

acknowledge the former shadow defence minister and of course labour member of parliament, tongue in cheek, talking about both sides of the argument. you were formerly in the vote leave campaign. so what was it that you saw in that set of offerings that persuaded you to say? yep, the united future is best outside of the . european and outside of the. european and absolutely because okay we have no sound from so but i promise and i am not doing that booth thing which i mustn't say word because it's a no to you. i'm the people i can hear in my trying to fix it because i really, really, really want to from mahmud while we're waiting for that to happen . you've for that to happen. you've already been in touch and we've

shared some of the best ones so far on our big topic of the day. so i can squeeze some more in now, which is the only upside . a now, which is the only upside. a technical hiccup , tory turmoil technical hiccup, tory turmoil is what we're talking about and that. liz truss essay in the sunday telegraph and this one comes from neil who says the country's falling apart strikes energy costs and a war in ukraine affecting the world what is the conservative party's response to navel gazing over ? response to navel gazing over? liz truss i was right and everybody else was wrong . claims everybody else was wrong. claims that she was as prime minister and people saw through her in journalistic terms . she is journalistic terms. she is today's fish and chip paper. well, there's big out . so she well, there's big out. so she wrote under leader column . you wrote under leader column. you can have two bits of fish if you will, and separate piece of papen will, and separate piece of paper. but i that said i

profoundly disagree with you because i think she does raise really important issues there that we need talk about as a that we need to talk about as a country. why spend so country. that's why i spend so time about growth on time talking about growth on this yesterday, this programme. yesterday, michael conversation michael joins the conversation to i would not trust labour to say i would not trust labour with my granddaughter's bank, let alone economy. john liz truss is discredited and doesn't deserve the attention that she is getting . she discredited is getting. she discredited herself with policies that were discussed disastrous for so many people though , not the very people though, not the very wealthy , some of whom will like wealthy, some of whom will like her very much indeed because she'd have made them even wealthier. still clare joins the conversation to say when cameron called the brexit referendum , he called the brexit referendum, he split both the tories need disband and again if they are to succeed . well that's an succeed. well that's an interesting one. it's been done

before labour over the last one us to do it how intriguing and we're still on my mahmood talking of labour but we haven't been able to fix it yet. but we will do. we've got about half an hour still to go on the programme, so stay with us. and colin, if you can hear me, will sort it . i give colin, if you can hear me, will sort it. i give you my colin, if you can hear me, will sort it . i give you my word, we sort it. i give you my word, we will do. we're going to take a quick break while we discretely sort whatever the problems are twixt birmingham twixt us and birmingham birmingham . hello again. it's a birmingham. hello again. it's a sunny sunday for many of us, though there will be some level clouds, so the sunshine could be a at times lots of dry a bit at times lots of dry weather around. turning weather around. they turning cloudier across the north later. the reason for the scattered weather this whacking great weather is this whacking great big pressure. it's big area of high pressure. it's very indeed . some stations very high indeed. some stations have already recorded pressure above 1048. it's very high above 1048. so it's very high even for the time of year. above 1048. so it's very high even for the time of year . and even for the time of year. and that's why there's so much settled around. you can settled weather around. you can see looking picture this see looking at the picture this afternoon, sunshine . afternoon, lots of sunshine. like i said, some high level cloud the sunshine is cloud will mean the sunshine is going be a bit hazy. times going to be a bit hazy. times that could towards the

that could cloud towards the north a few of north and perhaps a few spots of drizzly for the far drizzly rain for the far north—west scotland. north—west of scotland. but places despite the places staying dry despite the sunshine, though, temperatures are actually degrees are actually a couple of degrees compared to yesterday . should compared to yesterday. should just into double just about get into double figures and it will figures the south and it will feel relatively pleasant because of winds as we go through of light winds as we go through the end of the day holding onto clear skies much of clear skies across much of england but thickening england and wales but thickening cloud northwest cloud towards north northwest of the few spots of the uk. still a few spots of drizzly around and some drizzly rain around and some blustery perhaps blustery winds perhaps for northwestern scotland as well. where we hold on the clear where we hold on to the clear skies, england and wales, it's going turn a fairly going to turn cold a fairly widespread frost with temperatures perhaps getting as low minus five low as minus four, minus five and and freezing fog to and some fog and freezing fog to watch out for first thing on monday morning, a milder picture towards and northwest towards the north and northwest as through monday itself. as we go through monday itself. then are to see the then we are going to see the cloud thickening towards the north that the cloud is north and that the cloud is going to gradually encroach into of so many of england and wales. so many places a bit cloudier, but staying bright often sunny staying bright and often sunny the southeast of the uk and here it's going to be similarly warm to today. so may just about get double figures but notice with

the direction from the the wind direction from the south, southwest, northern parts of also reach highs of scotland may also reach highs of scotland may also reach highs of nine or ten as we go through the end of the day tomorrow, we are to again on to the are going to again on to the clear skies. so another frost night much and night for much of england and wales rain starting to wales but some rain starting to push north—west of the push into the north—west of the uk some strengthening to uk and some strengthening to staying across staying changeable across northern through the rest northern parts through the rest of always sunnier of the week. always and sunnier towards south, but also some towards the south, but also some frosty, foggy nights to come here gb news live. we'll be here on gb news live. we'll be keeping you in the picture, finding out what's happening across the country and finding out why it matters to you. we'll have the facts fast with our team reporters specialist team of reporters and specialist correspondents wherever it's happening we'll there in 12 happening, we'll be there in 12 noon on tv, radio and, online gb news. the people's channel, britain's news channel join me now on a saturday and sunday afternoons . tv news expect afternoons. tv news expect florida a debate and passionate discussion of and my panel tackles some of the biggest topics hitting the headlines . topics hitting the headlines. it's a place for everyone's opinion no one gets cancelled,

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channel good. it's 230. it's 230. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom. liz truss claims she wasn't given a realistic chance to act on her policies when she was in office and her first major comments on her premiership since leaving number 10. writing in the sunday telegraph, the former prime minister says she wasn't blameless in what happened but criticised a lack of political support. ms. truss resigned after 49 days following economic turmoil caused by her mini budget earlier on gb news secretary grant shapps defended government's economic plans . i government's economic plans. i think that this is instincts all

very conservative, the sense that we want to see taxes lowered. over a period of time i think everyone recognises we've been through you know hell with coronavirus added what £400 billion at least of expenditure yeah billion at least of expenditure year. we then had a war in ukraine which has pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very, very costly costly . be very, very costly costly. police say a key witness in the search for missing mother of two, nicola bailey , come two, nicola bailey, come forward. officers appealed for a woman seen on cctv wearing a yellow coat and, pushing a pram in the area where the dog walker disappeared in lancashire last friday. called the speculation and abuse on social media towards the witness totally unacceptable . the union has unacceptable. the union has called on the prime minister to make a new pay offer in order to avoid the upcoming planned strikes. the head of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen , college of nursing, pat cullen, says a meaningful offer could

avert the action. the nhs is facing what many are calling the strike day. the nhs ever seen. as tens thousands of nurses and ambulance in england are set to walk out tomorrow and tuesday, the health secretary, steve barclay, has called action regrettable, saying it will undoubtedly have an impact on patients . a series of missile patients. a series of missile strikes by on ukraine have injured at least three people and seriously damaged university and seriously damaged university and a residential building in central kharkiv . however, central kharkiv. however, british defence analysts say moscow has made small advances in its attempt to encircle the city of back boot, which has been the main focus of russian forces for weeks. it follows ukraine's president zelenskyy saying the situation in the east was getting tougher with russia, adding more into battle tv and the abc plus radio this is gb news now is back after after .

news now is back after after. tatiana thank you very much indeed. i'm delighted to say it doesn't quite as much these days as it used to, but the loss of sound link between ourselves and my next guest up in birmingham . my next guest up in birmingham. i'm delighted to say we have been able to sort out so we can return to the conversation that we almost got going with my good friend khalid mahmood. there he is, former shadow defence minister and labour mp and i jokingly said when i was talking to claire fox that you're not not only of the other side of the argument, but as it were, we he's gone again , surely they're he's gone again, surely they're not friends , are . i think we not friends, are. i think we will begin to strain patience. but i keep my fingers crossed for you sneaking into the studio

when trying to sort out that debacle. i'm delighted . say, debacle. i'm delighted. say, it's my lovely friend gb news political correspondent as always, you've been on the phone and you've been putting your ear to the ground . claire fox was to the ground. claire fox was very interested being on on brexit and that is the allegation for many who wanted to leave leave that the reason our that was done for camilla tominey is programme demonstrates a degree of disquiet and disappointment with the outcome is that those who were in charge did not have their hearts in seeing it through. well certainly theresa may was tasked with implement it. she was a remainer. she was very she was a submarine during the campaign . she and she said the campaign. she and she said we will make a success of it. but certainly she never really seemed to believe it seemed like a damage limitation exercise for

her, didn't it? she didn't believe in the possible of it. and i suspect that's partly why we didn't get great deal with the eu because the eu realised she was never to leave with no deal she was never to leave with no deal. she never going to crash out. she didn't , didn't have out. she didn't, didn't have accord. whereas when boris johnson came along they possibly believed that they might just go for no deal and that they had to come to some arrangement even though it he got a lot of stick, even from friends as well as from from dock critics as it were, of talking about an oven ready deal which patently it wasn't patently it wasn't . but wasn't patently it wasn't. but the thing was they to get something across the line and they wanted to get brexit done in inverted commas and it helped them to an 80 seat majority but certainly it didn't get brexit done really or it did but apart from the rather major issue of the northern irish border and the northern irish border and the protocol that's caused so many problems and of course you think back that clip of boris johnson in that autumn talking

to businessmen in northern ireland. it was saying, oh, we're going to have to have checks on boris johnson saying, no, no, no. if anybody says you're filling up, just rip up. no, absolutely no checks. of no, absolutely no checks. and of course, says no . the course, that says no. in the case the federation of small case of the federation of small businesses northern ireland businesses in northern ireland told on this programme told me on this programme yesterday genuine yesterday that there is genuine optimism , sensed a across optimism, sensed a across northern ireland at the moment, that that that a little movement on the part of brussels may be genuine in the offing. it was reported, as you know, perfectly well during the week and that he to have a little optimism because talking of oven ready they ready to go it does like it and talking to chris heaton—harris going back well who obviously that the secretary of state for northern the mood music has really changed i think as time now i it was it's always nice say something positive about people and both of my he was the chair of the conservatives in northern ireland but also mr. pollen from the small business federation said heaton—harris had hit the

ground running and impressed people . yeah, i think he people. yeah, i think he definitely has an even people like steve baker who is the sort of 0g he got thumbs on a name check having been given position as northern ireland minister , as northern ireland minister, they've taken an emollient tone , wanted to reach a deal. steve baker actually apologising that mistakes had been made and also from the other side, from the irish side, a desire i think some of the bitterness has dissipated realised that we have left , that we're not coming back left, that we're not coming back and that now we need to make the best of it. so it does sound hopeful number 10 a very keen not to really give any information but it certainly sounds like a deal very close to being done . but it all go being done. but it all go spectacularly wrong if the 0g kick off, if boris johnson of course decides , to say that this course decides, to say that this is not acceptable of course this is not acceptable of course this is a deal he signed , david is a deal he signed, david frost, is likely to be not very happy. and again, he instrumental in getting this deal and then later said we it

wasn't a good deal but we needed to get it over the line and we thought we could with it down the line keep in touch with some of our best guests from northern ireland because they really are they're a splendid, balanced bunch and are genuinely very well informed about this. we were talking on the programme yesterday, you and i, about dominic raab and, the difficulties that he is in and you said that you'd picked up on an unnamed cabinet minister who felt that he should step aside while this is resolved which of course jake berry on the and he's not in the cabinet. but jake has said the same as well. one or two of the papers have picked up on it. is sunak hoping to hang onto him or did he learn ? the lessons of nadhim zahawi ? ? the lessons of nadhim zahawi? i think it's very difficult to see how dominic raab is going to stay in position. i folk at home how important raab is to sunak

very important. he was a key dunng very important. he was a key during the leadership campaign the summer when everyone was coming out for. liz truss when it looked certain that liz truss would be the next prime minister and people were coming out in support liz probably partly support. liz probably partly because they were thinking about their own careers. dominic raab stood behind rishi sunak stood firm behind rishi sunak and he was very, very , he said, and he was very, very, he said, go with liz truss. family economics would be like putting on a suicide vest. and of course things did and very badly and very quickly they so he has a very quickly they so he has a very loyal supporter and very key ally, whereas nadhim zahawi there was no particular special bond, he'd supported liz hopkins , always great to deliver a exactly. yeah, exactly. but this will be very difficult for the prime minister, but it's just hard to see. dominic raab is adamant he's done nothing wrong, but so many have come out now and alleging that his behaviour is unacceptable . it's hard to is unacceptable. it's hard to see how adam tolley case. he doesn't conclude in the end that

some wrongdoing has taken. i repeat but with pleasure and take and conviction. thank you very much indeed for so much of your valuable time and intelligence and i don't mean how clever you are, but the gathering that you do so brilliantly for us, that's catherine forster gb news political career responded for the second time today. ah, how lucky am i indeed? how lucky are youindeed? lucky am i indeed? how lucky are you indeed? watching and listening to alastair stewart& friends here on gb news tv and with more still to come this afternoon as we head up to the british hour, including be going live to lancashire to find out the very latest regarding the disappearance of nicola bailey , disappearance of nicola bailey, our reporter is there for us live. so stretch your legs but don't go anywhere. we'll be back very shortly .

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of two who was last seen walking with her dog near the river wyre . the 45 year old woman has been missing now for over a week and police believe that she has probably fallen into the river. but you will have heard on gb news earlier that there are a of police officers and indeed, i'll be talking one in just a moment who see limited evidence for that conclusion , which is that conclusion, which is troubling some, who make a speciality of these matters . the speciality of these matters. the huge search operation continues . and let's get the very latest live now with our national reporter theo chikomba who has been on the scene now all weekend and good to talk to you again, my friend. you were with us for. a hint at the very top of the programme and we talked about the woman in the yellow coat, as it were so that are

puzzled developments today as well theo . that's right yes. so well theo. that's right yes. so the road where i am at the moment is a garstang road, also known as blackpool road, where that woman was seen during that morning on friday, 27th, morning on friday, the 27th, walking this road with walking along this road with a pram . she has since come forward pram. she has since come forward is working with the police to establish potentially what she saw on morning. well since then police have been working every day trying to look to this area and beyond to anything that might suggest where nicola's whereabouts be. of course this is something the family friends are keeping an eye on. many people have been coming into the area today. i've just been walking around now and lots of people have been walking around to see what's been happening . to see what's been happening. there is a search team which is prepared to go into the water and there been doing this almost every day in the early hours of the morning in the afternoon and of course, late into the evening, we've seen searches in

the air and on the ground as well over the last 24 hours or so, the police have reached rated that those who have come forward as witnesses please refrain from giving them abuse, particularly on social media, where there is a lot speech about speculation about what's been happening . and they're been happening. and they're saying, please don't do that. as it may also caused distress on the family. so the search here continues is just a week now since they've been here and they're saying they won't stop until they have some answers , until they have some answers, particularly for the family and close friends as well . theo close friends as well. theo chikomba national reporter there for gb news live for us in lancashire . thank you very much lancashire. thank you very much indeed for that update. and of course , if there are any other course, if there are any other developments , we will return to developments, we will return to him, as will subsequent programmes on gb news news. let's get more now on the investigation . and as i said in investigation. and as i said in my introduction , theo , how

my introduction, theo, how difficult these cases can be. i'm delighted to be joined by hamish brown, who is a former scotland yard detector . hamish, scotland yard detector. hamish, i want to pick up on something that theo just reminded us that the up there in lancashire have said people to be very cautious about social media and speculating , saying things that speculating, saying things that are insensitive to, a family thatis are insensitive to, a family that is lost at moment and where they have lost a wife and mum of two children. but there's also a big body of opinion on social media that suggests that the police there have not perhaps done the best possible job scene of the event was , not totally of the event was, not totally shot down. the earliest possibility . there was one exit possibility. there was one exit from the area that had cctv coverage and that wasn't realised until later on. and even the family itself has , you

even the family itself has, you know, not quite must try harder, but there are genuine concerns. how difficult is a case like this to get right. how difficult is a case like this to get right . well, yes this to get right. well, yes it's got to be managed and i think in the first instance you've got to just pour out your your grief to the family and friends and what a difficult time it is for them and with that the police . absolutely that the police. absolutely right. please keep the social media unless you've got something sensible and constructive to say this wild speculation does no good at all. and you're quite right to say it just upsets the family . so cut just upsets the family. so cut it out. leave it to the police. there police liaison officers, family liaison officers who will be working very with the family and any concerns or representation as they have. and i think they've already made them will be made through the family liaison officers trained

officers to deal with these . so officers to deal with these. so get off the social media. this isn't a bit of fun. it's a very serious invest vacation. and you call begin to say what friends and family are going through as far as the police investigation is concerned . frankly, it didn't is concerned. frankly, it didn't surprise me that they came with the top of their list was poor nicola went in the river and they've done their best. it's not as if the place is inundated with cctv, but been to doorbell cameras, dash cam and watch cctv . there is a way from this setting and from that process of elimination to say that nicola didn't leave the scene that way. so i quoted that . i quoted conan so i quoted that. i quoted conan doyle in sherlock yesterday on the program about, doyle in sherlock yesterday on the program about , that famous

the program about, that famous observation, which i think is genuinely by detectives, and thatis genuinely by detectives, and that is when you eliminate everything else, even the most improbable that which remains is what happened. and it would seem that they've done that even with a possible cause of a slip into the river, although there's no physical evidence that , that is physical evidence that, that is what happened. but the missing dogs tennis ball . yes. that dogs tennis ball. yes. that having been said to police, quite clear . they will continue quite clear. they will continue to keep an open mind on this. and if there is something constructive , not just mere constructive, not just mere speculation or some vague idea , speculation or some vague idea, but something constructive to work , they'd be more than happy work, they'd be more than happy , more than place to do that because albeit for different reasons they want to get this , reasons they want to get this, even if it's news, i'm sorry to put it that , but even if it's put it that, but even if it's tragic news , at the end of the tragic news, at the end of the day, it be partly resolved yesterday . lot more questions yesterday. lot more questions after that time . certain. so let

after that time. certain. so let the police get with that. if results or evidence for. but while speculation and tittle tattle plays , stop it now and tattle plays, stop it now and blaming hands, grief and the police on with their investigation . good of you to investigation. good of you to join the conversation on all those important points in such a measured , reflective way as well measured, reflective way as well . very helpful to. we're keen to hear all here on gb news and angela and stephen had great guests on breakfast this as well which of course is available on our youtube channel. we are at gb news. but hey, mr. brown, lovely. see you. thank you very much indeed for your time, sir. hamish is a former met detective there with his balanced views on what trying do and what they're trying to do and why they have reached that conclusion, which is not accepted by. nicholas family . accepted by. nicholas family. and now with all time holidays fast approaching and with summer, just a few months away

is the industry. after such a hammering ready to return to normal or could travel chaos once again be around the corner 7 once again be around the corner ? misery at airports . oh god eu ? misery at airports. oh god eu border checks strikes and staff shortages was also said by many to be a brexit problem. just a few . the challenges facing few. the challenges facing airlines this year round operators are also having a tough time and course recruiting enough employees ease to meet demand . so we sent our reporter demand. so we sent our reporter will hollis to a jobs fair at east midlands airport where business are hoping to plug gaps in their workforce ahead of the busy seasons. so is keen to is celebrating 37 years of marriage chris dave are off to malaga it's just great to be able to go away again in a pinch talk of

not being able to travel all that time. it's just now we just jump that time. it's just now we just jump on board much as we can. the summer season is still be on the horizon, but these winter months are crucial to replenish a workforce decimated by pandemic. as the baggage handler predominantly will be loading and unloading the bags. okay, josh who's leaving college is hoping to a job here at east midlands airport. i heard the east midlands. i find a lot of jobs available and i was like, i need a job. and then i came here and a lot of jobs available and you know, i've heard a lot of good stuff about what's there and hopefully yeah, get on the industry's biggest names recruit new talent including swissport. last year we need the food to a team coming back from the pandemic which was a challenging time and it was busy busy last year we food and really now moving forward for this year

travel chaos caused misery in many british airports year huge queues and of cancellations . queues and of cancellations. short staffing was the main the number of jobs on offer here could be seen as both encouraging all alarming encouraging all alarming encouraging because it shows that the industry is ready to back after the toughest time . back after the toughest time. its history but alarming if those vacancies aren't filled soon we could see repeat of the same travel chaos that plagued last summer . same travel chaos that plagued last summer. this airport alone has more than a hundred vacancies it wants to fill, including four security where allies managers training. we're looking at a real bright summer. the forecast for the passengers is you know expected from last year we've got no gaps currently we're to be on target for our recruitment and looking at the that we've got here today. any issues we will have filled up by this summer season the as a whole is struggling to keep staff a survey by the snp found

a of the workforce planned to quit year because of stress . quit year because of stress. some travel bosses think issues with retaining and staff could last until christmas with passenger numbers expected reach just below 2019 levels. the hopes the industry can limit disruption aside from staffing eu border checks and strikes at home and abroad won't make that easy. will holly gb news in the east midlands ? well, unless east midlands? well, unless there at east midlands airport for us. brilliant very informative . and just remember informative. and just remember that when flybe went broke the rest of the responded very quickly. well, as industry they particularly good at this recruiting . yes well there was recruiting. yes well there was a lot of people in the room just adjacent to where i am right now was full of people, particularly

people trying to get into the career considering what they might do for the career. lots of people well segway ing certainly considering moving between the jobs that they're already doing now . but it jobs that they're already doing now. but it seems jobs that they're already doing now . but it seems that getting now. but it seems that getting people those positions, recruitment and retirement might not just be the silver bullet that the airline industry it's certainly going to be the thing that they're mainly focusing on. but with things like border force strike. we're going to see four more days in february half term with also like eu border checks where there's a delay in the entry exit system, a system biometrics that might people's fingerprints in their faces so that people can move in and of eu countries if they're not an eu countries if they're not an eu resident a little bit more easily. that's delayed until 2023. so there are problems that lie outside of the airline industries , problems with industries, problems with recruitment and, retirement. let's face it, this £1,000,000,000 industry, there's so much money going in and out

of . the airline so much money going in and out of. the airline industry and the pandemic did a lot of damage particularly in those areas of recruitment. so maybe if they solved those areas first, then they can go on and looking at those other areas of course right now hire at east midlands airport, it is a little bit quieter. it is winter but the government as as the airline industry really wants focus on filling positions as well filling those positions as well as dealing with the of the and then maybe will avoid all of those images that we saw last yean those images that we saw last year, which was of course, of people on the tarmac on planes that were to leave that that were about to leave that were cancelled, then long were cancelled, and then long queues airports . so it's queues in airports. so it's certainly a worrying time as we go into that season , but they go into that season, but they are really quite optimistic that we won't see that again after. well, fingers crossed on that. well, fingers crossed on that. well, much indeed for well, thank you much indeed for the report for your lovely interviews with people interviews with those people there brilliant job at there at that brilliant job at east midlands airport. good to see you. thanks very much. that is all we have time for, for today from will and me and the whole team. thank you for joining us on a very good

evening to you. and i very much need can join us again next weekend. till then very good bye to you. bye bye

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