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get your latest news headlines . get your latest news headlines. hi there. i'm armstrong . in the hi there. i'm armstrong. in the gb newsroom, liz truss has admitted she wasn't blameless in what happened during her time as prime minister but has criticised the lack of political from her colleagues . writing in from her colleagues. writing in the sunday telegraph in her first major comments since leaving number 10, the former prime claims she wasn't given realistic chance to act on her. ms. truss says she stands by her low tax agenda, though, calling it a break from leftwards, thinking the party she resigned after just 49 days following economic turmoil by her mini budget. earlier on gb news, the business secretary grant shapps defended the government's current economic plans . i defended the government's current economic plans. i think that liz's instincts are very conservative in the sense that we want to see taxes go lowered over period of time. but i think everyone recognises , as we've
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everyone recognises, as we've been through, you know, hell with coronavirus, which i did , with coronavirus, which i did, £400 billion at least of expenditure . we then had a war expenditure. we then had a war in ukraine which has pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very, very , police say, a key be very, very, police say, a key witness in the search for missing mother of two nicola bailey has come forward. officers appealed for a seen on cctv wearing a yellow coat and pushing a pram in the area where the dog disappeared last friday in lancashire. well, they've called the speculation and the abuse on social media towards the witness totally unacceptable. forensic search and rescue specialist peter told gb news he thinks the need to explore all the angles of where nicola could be and not just focus on the river. we'll will be looking into many other other things. they'll be looking at other people within the family. they'll be looking people who live locally. the weather's, you know, because you know, sex attack because you live locally and things like this . mean, live locally and things like this. mean, don't live locally and things like this . mean, don't know that this. i mean, we don't know that nicola been kidnapped this. i mean, we don't know that nicobeing been kidnapped this. i mean, we don't know that nicobeing held been kidnapped this. i mean, we don't know that
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nicobeing held somewhere oped this. i mean, we don't know that nicobeing held somewhere against and being held somewhere against and being held somewhere against a will. she might still hopefully she still be alive. she have just wandered she might have just wandered just mobile phone , a just with a mobile phone, a river not good enough river that's not good enough evidence . me. needs a lot . evidence. me. this needs a lot. you know, we need to clear that river and then that can be ruled out . nurses river and then that can be ruled out. nurses union's on the out. the nurses union's on the prime minister to make a new pay offer in order to avoid next week's planned strikes. the head of royal college of nursing, of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen , says a meaningful pat cullen, says a meaningful offer could avert action. the nhs , facing what many are nhs is, facing what many are calling biggest strike day, the health service will have seen. as tens , thousands of nurses and as tens, thousands of nurses and ambulance staff. england prepare to walk out tomorrow , tuesday. to walk out tomorrow, tuesday. the health secretary has called the action regrettable saying , the action regrettable saying, it will undoubtedly have an impact on. patients china says it's strongly the decision by the united to shoot down a suspected balloon, which is thought to be carrying surveillance of sensitive military . fighter jets brought military. fighter jets brought it down over the atlantic ocean. yes today off the coast of south carolina . earlier in the day,
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carolina. earlier in the day, three airports were closed and airspace in the southeast of the country after president biden had vowed to take care us. while china maintains it was a weather airship which had been merely blown off course . ukraine says blown off course. ukraine says it expects a major offensive from to begin later this . from to begin later this. ukraine's defence minister says the west's new military supplies are unlikely to arrive in time, but says kyiv has the resources to hold any russian offensive . to hold any russian offensive. he also promised to use long—range missiles provided the united states to only strike targets in occupied territory rather than within russia . it rather than within russia. it comes after a series russian missile strikes damaged a university and a residential building in central hockey overnight, injuring at least three people. british analysts, though, say moscow has made only small advances in its attempt to encircle the city of parliament,
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which has been the focus of russian forces for the last few weeks . pakistan's former general weeks. pakistan's former general for former president pervez musharraf has aged 79, following a prolonged illness. he died in hospital in dubai, having been in self—imposed exile since 2008. musharraf who seized power in a coup in 1999, oversaw rapid economic growth in the country. he survived several assassination attempts , assassination attempts, including one from al—qaeda and, other military islamist . this gb other military islamist. this gb news will bring you more as it happens. but now it is back to normal . normal. good afternoon. it is fast approaching . 6 minutes after approaching. 6 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. nana akua . when i talked about nana akua. when i talked about the electric car con i led a
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very smart ev . owners bragged very smart ev. owners bragged about the money they were saving and how amazing their cars were. how they didn't have pay, road tax and congestion charges , how tax and congestion charges, how they never had been caught short without a charger . oh, how i my without a charger. oh, how i my smugness when i see now that it is more expensive power up your electric car. pets is actually cheaper even at its current extortionate rate , which the extortionate rate, which the powers that be clearly want us to get used to. the transition one expulsion to another will be smoother . give or take the extra smoother. give or take the extra 40 grand also required to supposedly upgrade . but it seems supposedly upgrade. but it seems once again , and very predictably once again, and very predictably , something has gone wrong with the map . something you and i the map. something you and i knew blatantly obvious . if the knew blatantly obvious. if the government are to meet the target in 2035, when the sale of all new petrol and hybrid vehicles will be banned in europe, in the uk that date is actually 2030. it would mean that according to their own
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figures that 80% of the miles dnven figures that 80% of the miles driven would have to be by electric vehicles. so that's four out of every five miles. a 21 fold increase in just 12 years. and if that happens, pigs will fly . and let's not even will fly. and let's not even talk about charging points. only will the uk meet the dreaded net zero target by 2050. even the electric car supply chains are unable to facilitate the government's . there aren't even government's. there aren't even any fully electrified hgv being produced to the scale and with the cost of living, crisis and spa inflation. what do they think can afford these things when the incentives to purchase them are crumbling. and when you've got the boss of bp, bernard announcing that he plans to cut back renewable energy products and stick with oil and gas investment after they raked in huge profits . i the words he in huge profits. i the words he used were dialled back on the
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green energy and he's concerned about the lower returns from renewables , wind and solar. it's renewables, wind and solar. it's beginning to sound like the energy giants are prepared to support their ideology either. even councils are rallying against this nonsense. sadiq khan's plans for low traffic neighbourhoods , which would only neighbourhoods, which would only push the problem elsewhere and destroy businesses, has meant heavy resistance . from what i heavy resistance. from what i can see, the government are with the people of this country . the people of this country. well, we all support the notion of cleaner air and a healthy environment . of cleaner air and a healthy environment. i, for one, am not happy with the way we are being forced to supposedly this. it's time for them to come clean . time for them to come clean. truth. this goal of net zero is completely unachievable. we with the country when stupid we are all looking at our homes thinking where the hell are we going to charge an electric? we don't have time in our lives to waste like that . we're working
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waste like that. we're working ten to the doesn't try and keep our heads above water and that's before we even considered how we're supposed to afford all this. time for government this. it's time for government to rethink this madness. by their own calculations, it is clearly unachievable and frankly . save face and scrap net zero. or prepare from an embarrassing but predictable retreat . well, but predictable retreat. well, before we get stuck into the debate . here's what else is debate. here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, would you take truss back? the prime minister back? the former prime minister was in for 44 days. in was in for just 44 days. in fact, let us no longer think she resigned. she's now claimed that she wasn't given a fair chance to act her policies on a mini budget was used as a scapegoat for the issues with the economy that were already taking. so would you give her another chance, well, the russian chance, then? well, the russian expert, danni armstrong, will be in studio. according to in the studio. according to reports, and have engaged
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reports, russia and have engaged in a prisoner , meaning dozens of in a prisoner, meaning dozens of soldiers were able to return to their homeland . i'll also be their homeland. i'll also be getting the latest news stateside where the military stateside where the us military have down a suspected have shot down a suspected chinese spy building . then say chinese spy building. then say two at 5:00. it's this week's outside. now, special mystery outside. now, my special mystery celebrity . she's known for being celebrity. she's known for being part of a very popular girl group that became that came on the scene in the late nineties. she was also crowned queen of the jungle in 2004. can you guess ? who might that be? that's guess? who might that be? that's coming up in the next hour. as ever tell me what you think of everything we're discussing? email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me . gb news. right. let's get me. gb news. right. let's get started. let me get my panel, broadcaster and author christine hamilton and author and journalist. i've taken you out of journalist danny kelly . how of journalist danny kelly. how can you ignore danny? i you couldn't miss him. good job.
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this was in this straight in there. danny, you are a car dealer ? go, go, dealer . yes, i'm dealer? go, go, dealer. yes, i'm a cop. did you buy a used car from danny? i was. on the question of danny's one of them. i would. i would . you would turn i would. i would. you would turn it? i would . yeah, i would. to it? i would. yeah, i would. to bnng it? i would. yeah, i would. to bring it back. i would. i sold a car to a guy from braintree, and that's the only reason that he bought. it came up to the middle to buy a car was because of ulez expanding with car in london. expanding with my car in london. yeah, know. guy was yeah, i know. and the guy was furious because he didn't want a pakistan anyway. so enough of the i buy them the electric cars. i buy them know plummeted know they have plummeted in price generally speaking price because generally speaking the has lost the used car market has lost complete confidence in their ability to get from a to be without a. there was a story over christmas millions of people on the roads and think four or 5% of the cars on the roads were electric. and all of a sudden this was this is what everybody with an iota of common sense knew was coming. then you were have a lot of accidents were to have a lot of accidents with grain of sense .
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with just tiny grain of sense. you knew you were going to have the of charging cars the perfect of charging cars when there's three or four charging portals and there's 30 or 40 cars wanting to charge and.the or 40 cars wanting to charge and. the thing is, when i fill up my car with, it takes 5 minutes. if you want to fill your tesla in cumbria and get down to london or you will get first of all. no, it's taking more 45 minutes on the car pnces more 45 minutes on the car prices have plummeted. i wish . prices have plummeted. i wish. now, listen, you were correct to distinguish between the eu and the uk on it. for some reason. in 2020, boris johnson said , in 2020, boris johnson said, guess what? great news. i am going to bring forward the ban on and diesel cars to 2030 almost like a bonus benefits of brexit. and i thought to myself why the rest of the european union are putting them five years later? i really think that whoever is in charge , the next whoever is in charge, the next election, as you intimated nana needs to get a grip and almost reflect on what society rather than this idea lot trickle drive to net zero. i think they should put it back years to streamline
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with the rest of europe and then we can have a conversation about 2050. what do think christine. well i think they should scrap altogether. but that's not just. yes, this electric car yes, yes. this electric car business is a complete nonsense. nobodyin business is a complete nonsense. nobody in their right mind would buy most people buy an electric car. most people who wouldn't have bought who got wouldn't have bought them that them without the fact that they're deeply subsidised. the market is so everybody else is paying market is so everybody else is paying for these people to have their cars . you know, their electric cars. you know, they don't pay road tax, they don't now, don't pay congestion charge now, except . but i think it's except for now. but i think it's i call the benny hill policy. i call it the benny hill policy. do you benny hill, the do you remember benny hill, the fastest the run fastest milkman in the west run around? electric around? they had an electric milk car follow and put milk car to follow and put a limit to things like milk delivery and buses, for example, in shut up you tube in congested zones, electric . can imagine you zones, electric. can imagine you actually being chased by back in the day. oh i was i, i could imagine that but no seriously electric vehicles for things like that are highly sensible etc. etc. but for to expect people to convert to electric cars to the extent that the
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government expects them to do it is that i mean they're bonkers the people who couldn't afford them are the people who've got their charging points at their own charging points at home people are home and the people who are running around congested running around in congested areas where they've got to drive. think for long drive. sometimes think for long distances. the battery is not there yet . and what these smug there yet. and what these smug people in their electric cars forget is that who is mining the precious is that they need in the batteries , not what is the batteries, not what is happening exactly . you know, happening exactly. you know, there is a i hesitate to it slave labour but virtually slave in in parts of the world their components for their precious batteries . well that's the batteries. well that's the problem as well the supply issues but you've got to think about this. if we follow the actual supply chain where it starts with all the electronic components , the lithium, the components, the lithium, the cobalt, the things that they are mining, how is that happening? what are these mines is another are we heading towards you know, as fast closing trains the way they treat some of their you know some of the outlets they get their stuff from among other
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worry is frankly that they don't make any sense because i don't have a space to charge. i came out my house today. my neighbour said she goes, said me, oh god. she goes, i can't because car's a little can't because my car's a little bit upset and see one. i love it. it's good. i think it's it. it's so good. i think it's hundred and 77, 78,000 miles now. i know. yeah anyway, so my wonderful is. and wonderful one. there it is. and she you know, i called she goes, you know, i called worth paid for worth more than we paid for them. obviously what them. that's obviously what might be up goes. yeah nobody wants get of them. she wants to get rid of them. she said, i don't know what i'm going said, don't going to do. she said, don't know i'm to do. car know what i'm going to do. car i'm a voice that she's i'm doing a voice that she's watching. but she's not done what i'm going to do. you know, i can't it. and this i can't afford it. and this is just talking to about. her just my talking to me about. her car, somebody scratched car, because somebody scratched her scratched mine and her car and scratched mine and whatever. we're going on whatever. and we're going on about. know what do about. we don't know what to do with. trouble that the with. the trouble is that the politicians building up. politicians are building up. trouble the future. they always do i mean, was what was do it. i mean, it was what was just a clegg, cameron and cech who failed to build nuclear power stations when they in power stations when they were in power. and they've left with this problem. now, we haven't got nuclear power. what got enough nuclear power. what we opening up we should be doing is opening up the we should getting
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the mines. we should be getting more north sea. we more out the north sea. we should doing all that sort of should be doing all that sort of thing not saying everybody's got to electric. but what about to go electric. but what about the and the pollution? the police and the pollution? i mean, i spoke to rosemary because her daughter died because of her daughter died from appalling and is from appalling and this is a terrible situation that we're dealing, mean, was dealing, tony. i mean, there was the the thing the air pollution was the thing that was not the only reason. well, what was put on well, that was what was put on the the difficult was the on the difficult she was actually the first person to have that smell in london. yes. yeah. you know, my yeah. so we you know, my thoughts i am mindful of thoughts are i am mindful of that met rossman. that because i, i met rossman. she's and she's she's an amazing and what she's fighting for to have cleaner fighting for is to have cleaner air so and it's time that well i what i'm concerned about is there way that the fossil there no way that the fossil fuels things can be used. fuels and things can be used. they cleaner. there is they are cleaner. so there is a compromise. it's called a hybrid petrol but some petrol car. yeah. but for some of have here, but for of what we have here, but for some going to be some reason that is going to be banned and in europe 20, banned 2030 and in europe 20, 35. now hybrids are perfect for driving around city centres like, london birmingham like, london or birmingham or coventry actually coventry without actually polluting that poor polluting the area. so that poor girl, the appeal of that poor woman's, the city woman's, i if people if the city streets london were populated with cars , then that poor
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with hybrid cars, then that poor girl i don't know. she may not be that she be alive because you are running battery power and the car is gently charging it as you are running. but for some reason the politicians the ideologues with this, have ideologues with this, they have banned would be banned and that would be a compromise is in motion that they are encouraging at the moment. i mean one of the reasons why we got a hybrid we needed to change we can't needed to change anyway we can't afford change for afford just to change for on a whim was because meant we didn't have to pay the congestion charge. that's not congestion have to pay the congestion cha ulez. hat's not congestion have to pay the congestion cha ulez. hat encouraging ;tion have to pay the congestion cha ulez. hat encouraging people the ulez. so encouraging people to these but but not to have these these but but not forever. no that's crazy forever. no, no that's crazy thing about it because they are in city centres, they're battery powered is what they want. powered which is what they want. there's place there's a, there's a place electric cars and it is not throughout whole country throughout the whole country on long journeys , long journeys, small journeys, you know, buses. but but my thing is also that the talk that they set is totally and i think they set is totally and i think they need to come clean this they need to come clean this they know even their own figures it was the department of transport that did survey to find out what they actually it turns that four out of the turns out that four out of the five models that we need to
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reach that target we'd have to be doing that. so 80% of the miles have be in miles would have to be in electric cars. it's just not we're there. no one there. we're not there. no one there. and they're not building power charging stations. they're supposed article supposed to. there's an article in yeah, they in the telegraph. yeah, they actually want actually said if they want to hit target 300,000 hit their target of 300,000 power station charging power station station charging points they need to points by 2030, they need to instead of building 800 month, instead of building 800 a month, they need to build 3000 a month over the next. however seven years. 84 months. what years. that's 84 months. what they need is and i'm sure this is what will happen that the cars two batteries and cars will have two batteries and you charge along then you charge along one and then when that's exhausted, you switch and meanwhile, switch the other. and meanwhile, the charges. so they the first one charges. so they swap from one to the other and it happens. you don't know it just happens. you don't know the charging point. well, maybe that's we need. that's the technology we need. well, you well, christine, they need you at house. was pretty at the house. that was pretty low. musk right , low. so christine musk right, i'm not quite this is tv news on tv online and on digital . it's tv online and on digital. it's still to come at five. it's out five. my celebrity secret guest, she is a singer. yes. she's also
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22 minutes after 4:00. obviously an elbow coming your hands yourself. get so i'm not a quitter . now before the yourself. get so i'm not a quitter. now before the break, we're discussing the electric con. let's have a look what you've been saying. beverly says not a i agree. electric cars are massive cons. ian says i've been driving ev since 2014. i like the way they drive and not a climate one thing you haven't considered is the electricity supply and there just isn't enough electricity on the grid to check them all. the evs . and to check them all. the evs. and in times when we need to use to meet demand, then there's evs. then the evs , effectively coal then the evs, effectively coal powered . well, that's it. that powered. well, that's it. that is the point . i'm glad powered. well, that's it. that is the point. i'm glad you've made it. android ev driver. is the point. i'm glad you've made it. android ev driver . yes, made it. android ev driver. yes, i did miss that. thank you. apple says hi that at one question i have is who's going to buy a second and electric car battery life is limited and cost hundreds if not thousands of pounds to replace no one in their mind is going to do their right mind is going to do exactly . thank you very much. exactly. thank you very much. and not what dallas has done as my local spot. on regards the net zero nonsense shame the
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politicians. let's be honest. yeah i wish they would just come clean. it's pretty not. they're not going to hit the targets. well, you just join me, well, if you just join me, welcome board. time now welcome on board. it's time now for great british debate for our great british debate and i'm would take us i'm asking, would you take us back, former prime minister back, the former prime minister who resigned after who infamously resigned after just days in office, it's just 44 days in office, it's claimed not claimed that was not given a realistic to enact her policies . now, trussell stood down after mini budget was branded a disaster for sponsoring the obe and findings and failing to respond . recognise the respond. recognise the implications for pension funds and although trust remains adamant that her budget was the right way forward for britain, the secretary grant shapps believes her ideas were correct in principle , but just not the in principle, but just not the right time . i think that liz's right time. i think that liz's instinct are very conservative instinct are very conservative in the that we want to see taxes lowered over a period of time but i think everyone recognises we've been through , you know, we've been through, you know, hell with coronavirus which added what , £400 billion at added what, £400 billion at least of expenditure we then had a war in ukraine which has
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pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very, very costly . well you're not wrong. costly. well you're not wrong. it has been extremely costly but wasn't as tough as policies even sounds like he was actually saying that maybe there was such a good idea. it's not sort of thing they were saying at the time. so after 100 days of sleaze scandals, sackings and the crisis the channel crossing crisis where also paying where brits are also paying higher leadership of higher taxes, the leadership of rishi . it that rishi sunak. it appears that several tory backbenchers are prepared to get their noses out again . oh for goodness sake . now again. oh for goodness sake. now the 1922 committee will consider a rule to allow a no company vote in sunak if party suffers badly in the may local elections . yeah so for the great british debate, this i'm asking would you take trust back. i'm joined now by former for europe and writer dennis mcshane, former brexit party mep and political commentator belinda lucy, former editor of the labour is peter edwards and director of call 26. lois perry. finally going to start with you to lucy truss .
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start with you to lucy truss. truss nomics, apparently people are now saying they were actually good, but she actually quite good, but she just didn't quite do it right. yeah, well liz truss make yeah, well liz, liz truss make mistakes. i didn't agree with everything she did said especially with the liberalisation immigration to help economic growth and the timing wasn't brilliant either. and the delivery brilliant ehhen and the delivery brilliant either. but i think that the centre of her budget for growth the key policies like for example not raising corporate tax what that which is what rishi wants to do you know she says in her article she saw that as being counterproductive i agree with her totally. what we and what we needed in liz truss that don't have now is a that we don't have now is a prime minister that has the courage to be disliked by the international stage to serve the interests of the british people. what we have with rishi and hunt in their wet white cabal is sort of those desperate peacock on the international stage desperate not to offend the eu and not to offend biden and
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sacrifice i think national applause for applause. liz wasn't to do that. liz was going to have the courage be disliked really promote this country and have confidence in this country. her article was fascinating, revealing that the government was resistant to , diverging to was resistant to, diverging to eu law. well people like me have been saying that for a long time. she met with a machinery that just would not let the uk fly and flourish with brexit. she revealed so much that . there she revealed so much that. there is a much supranational ism that that we can't beat. well i like the way you haven't been. so was built. tennis. tennis mark steyn is laughing though, with his hands and his head tennis. why are you laughing? oh very simply, old excuse. all simply, this old excuse. it all would if. only the would be wonderful if. only the civil obey a civil servants would obey me. a strong prime minister get civil servants to obey them . do you servants to obey them. do you think margaret thatcher listen to. bleating and whining like that. no. she got on with it. i
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think this is fascinating. wonderful weekend . you've got wonderful weekend. you've got this huge contest between corbyn and liz truss . each say who was and liz truss. each say who was the worst prime leader of their parties. it wasn't a big i was the best leader that anybody could imagine. they're all just each other alive. i mean, frankly from a labour point of view , i mean, this liz truss view, i mean, this liz truss business, this this weekend is just a gift from . heaven. well, just a gift from. heaven. well, that's all the labour party have been sitting and not much themselves, not lois. well thatcher had the support of her party when she was prime minister and that's very, very different i think liz truss , the different i think liz truss, the fatal mistake of thinking that conservative policies are actually this actually welcome in this conservative party . and she also conservative party. and she also had an obviously been briefed properly maybe deliberately when she was doing her mini about what was going on with all the dodgy dealings at the bank of england with the saudis and the fact that they couldn't raise interest needed interest rates when they needed to inflation because then to kerb inflation because then it would be a collapse, you know, wasn't brave properly
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know, she wasn't brave properly at all and know i was talking scott benson the other day the mp for blackpool and he was saying me that basically you know it's about optics he said of course the 45 pay cut and the income tax would have would have raised the revenues to be brought in but you know it wasn't the right optics and that that sums it up for me, it was all about optics actually. they now say they have ideas for brilliant growth, low tax , brilliant growth, low tax, strong economy, but know not the right time. but when is the right time. but when is the right time? why are they also wet? well, listen, that's being pejorative and i'm not sure there were dodgy dealings of the bank england to the of bank of england to the sort of behaviour there. mean behaviour that was there. i mean that to regulators, but perhaps you know, people didn't with their let's to their policies. let's go to peter edwards. yes. i doubt they believe the a magnet for dodgy data bank of england. data is in the bank of england. i think liz truss took the quote unquote establishment and bit to suggest the establishment is wing is nonsense. the treasury is independent the idea no
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bigger was set up by the austerity chancellor george osborne and it was a conservative party turned on liz truss and then left behind that. no, no, no, no, no . really. are no, no, no, no, no. really. are this current conservative party is extremely left wing and so the civil service. this is wonderful. reminds me of harold wilson. if peter will be too young to remember. but harold wilson faced exactly the same . wilson faced exactly the same. he had to devalue the pound which really rocked him, of course. finally 1970, the tories winning and he blamed the news zurich. these mythical little men who would destroy british pound. now liz truss is blaming all the trotskyists and communists in her majesty's treasury . i've been there. i've treasury. i've been there. i've worked with. these the most right wing conservatives centre right wing conservatives centre right people. lively. maybe to you. no, i'm not. i don't think very honestly. can i. can i. peter edwards to finish what he was saying. peter. sorry. please go . yeah. thank you so there was go. yeah. thank you so there was no conspiracy . institution state
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no conspiracy. institution state did what it meant to. you can agree or with the idea that the people run it are incredibly and serious. and so there. and you say to say that the bank of england i think actually liz truss i feel personally because was humiliated and i think you wouldn't wish on anyone in her premiership kind of hanging around her neck the rest of her life. i feel very sad personally because it a failure, but to come back with twice come back after little more than 100 days and say i was right when that kind of the ranks every part of the british state the labour party the conservative party, the obe all the treasury and a lot of the voters and the media all said she was rotten. now that did they didn't. in fact, all shops is only said that actually some of the things actually some of the things actually right she said she expects that in case she does come back , he wants to keep his come back, he wants to keep his job. that's all. disciplined yeah. we must remember that obe all was set up by arch remainer.
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george osborne. and this makes clear her article that when it came the covid furlough. furlough scheme, there was came the covid furlough. furlough scheme, there wa s £69 furlough scheme, there was £69 billion from the public purse , billion from the public purse, billion from the public purse, billion of which was completely wasted through your fraudulent claims. there was no obe all for costs that were needed then, but all the parliament and apparently now they're the be all and end and end all is too much interference from unaccountable, unelected that have strong bias towards supranational governance like the eu. there is remain machinery that wants us to fail. so we just become this sort of landmass buyers and sellers with no confidence ourselves so that we can slowly back into into supranational governance elsewhere. and that's what liz truss was saying. it's impossible to fight at the moment. oh sorry. oh, go on quickly. you on what. oh so liz truss was going to regulate and all of the business laws and all of the regulations that flow throughout all of the european
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that weren't required and they want that to happen. the globalists , they wanted that boy globalists, they wanted that boy ritchie and they want ritchie and they did not want that to but it did feel that to happen but it did feel like there was a push for we see finally you dennis finally what do you dennis mcshane. this is mcshane. very simply. this is about time for the about meltdown. time for the tory you cover you up tory party. you cover you up down thirties or 14th down to the thirties or 14th yeah down to the thirties or 14th year. all parties. year. it happens to all parties. i love the it's all the eu's fault that liz truss was fired. inever fault that liz truss was fired. i never knew the was so powerful so years since we lifted the fact is we've had very weak pull ministers since david cameron and he wasn't that great and the tory party hasn't yet come back into even keel leads period in opposition marked by words they will come back they always do. they're the natural governing party, this country, but not under this weird, weird shower . under this weird, weird shower. so finally, one word answers. theni so finally, one word answers. then i should just come back. let us know she had a go at that decision for the labour party, the sooner the better because johnson with job share the johnson with the job share the garden street same time to give
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they even it would be fabulous yes or no. liz truss won't come back but more dangerously she's trying to ensure her ideas come back, which will be bad for the whole country. the economy, our jobs and our interest rates. finally, brenda lacey, briefly . finally, brenda lacey, briefly. well, would much prefer to well, i would much prefer to rishi because . she backs the rishi because. she backs the british people, but i hope that at least her ideas come back even she doesn't. my lovely. even if she doesn't. my lovely. thank you very much to all of you there, former minister for europe writer mcshane europe and writer dennis mcshane for mep and for brexit party mep and political for italy political commentator for italy as editor the naval as former editor of the naval speech. edwards alford, director of call 26. davis perry thank you. with me, i'm nana you. you know, with me, i'm nana akua news on tv akua this is gb news on tv onune akua this is gb news on tv online digital radio. after the break, continue with that break, we'll continue with that great british debate hour, great british debate this hour, i'm trust back. i'm asking you, take trust back. you never thoughts on my panel. author and broadcaster christine hamilton. and hamilton. also, broadcaster and danny then at 5:00 in danny kelly. then at 5:00 in outside my special guest is a singer. the first ever queen of the jungle and a mother of five. and she's been married . a and she's been married. a westlife band member. brian
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mcfadden said , who wishes all of mcfadden said, who wishes all of that off your latest news headunes. that off your latest news headlines . it's 433 i'm aaron headlines. it's 433 i'm aaron armstrong in the gb news. liz truss has admitted she blameless in what happened her time as prime minister but has criticised the lack of political support colleagues. writing in the sunday telegraph in her first major comments since leaving number 10, ms. truss claims she wasn't given a realistic chance to act on her policies . but she said she policies. but she said she stands by her low taxes agenda, calling it a break from leftwards within the party. truss resigned after just 14, nine days following economic turmoil caused by her mini budget. earlier gb news, the business secretary grant shapps defended the government's economic plan. think that liz's instincts are very conservative instincts are very conservative in the sense we want to see taxes go lowered over period of time. but i think everyone recognises we've been through,
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you know, hell with coronavirus which added what , £400 billion which added what, £400 billion at least of expenditure . we then at least of expenditure. we then had a war in ukraine has pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very very costly . police and be very very costly. police say a key witness in the search for missing mother of two nicola bailey has come forward. officers appealed for a woman seen on cctv wearing , officers appealed for a woman seen on cctv wearing, a officers appealed for a woman seen on cctv wearing , a yellow seen on cctv wearing, a yellow coat pushing a pram in the area where the dog walker disappeared last friday. they've called speculation as police have called speculation an abuse on social media towards those helping enquiries as totally unaccepted by the nurses unions call on the prime minister to make a new pay offer in order to avoid next week's planned strikes ahead of . the royal strikes ahead of. the royal college of nursing pat cullen says a meaningful offer could avert the action the nhs is facing what many are calling the biggest strike day. the nhs will have ever seen as tens of thousands of nurses and ambulance staff in are set to walk out tomorrow . and tuesday walk out tomorrow. and tuesday the secretary steve
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the health secretary steve barclay's called the action regrettable saying it will undoubtedly an impact on patients . ukraine says it patients. ukraine says it expects a major new offensive from russia to take this month. ukraine's defence minister , ukraine's defence minister, though, says the west's new military supplies may not arrive in time. however, keefe has resources to hold back any offensive. he's also promised only use long—range missiles provided by the united states to strike targets in occupied territory rather than within russia itself . it comes after russia itself. it comes after a series missile strikes from russia seriously damaged a university and, a residential building in central hockey overnight, injuring least three people. tv online and the abc plus radio. this is gb news now but another .
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good afternoon. it is fast . 39 good afternoon. it is fast. 39 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's. i'm not a bear. so it is time now for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, would you take truss back now writing in the sunday telegraph, former prime minister claimed that she was not given a realistic chance to enact her tax cutting agenda. now liz remains out of now liz truss remains out of that. i had lunch was actually the right way forward britain. the business grant the business secretary grant shapps that economic shapps believes that economic policies correct in policies were correct in principle, but just possible right . think that list right now. think that list instincts are very conservative instincts are very conservative in the sense that we want to see taxes lowered over a period of time. but i think everyone recognises we've been through , recognises we've been through, you know, hell with coronavirus which added what , £400 billion which added what, £400 billion at least of expenditure . we then at least of expenditure. we then had a war in ukraine has pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very, very costly. so
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after a rocky first 100 days in the job for the new prime minister rishi sunak there reports that the 1922 committee of backbenchers are now considering changing the rules allow a no confidence vote in rishi sunak's . so the great rishi sunak's. so the great debate this year i'm asking would you take trust back ? let's would you take trust back? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined also broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcasterjournalist danny broadcaster journalist danny carey. christine, you are of course, you've been in the business of politics for quite some time. liz truss made a bit of a pixie of a sort policies in terms of the way she introduced them, although grant shapps has even that actually of even said that actually some of the probably quite good. what do you think about this. well i feel sorry for liz truss. i think she was very badly treated by her party. she she had a mandate. it wasn't an electorate mandate. it wasn't an electorate mandate , but it was at least mandate, but it was at least a mandate, but it was at least a mandate from the tory party is to dance that vote. rishi sunak has and me she had the has got. and to me she had the right tax for growth. right low tax and go for growth. and think what if grant shapps
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and i think what if grant shapps just say that we're all conservatives now known as know half of them aren't half of them. to me seemed at least half more of ted more than half followers of ted heath than followers of heath rather than followers of margaret thatcher. and she's the one got the country one that that got the country back and running. so i, i back up and running. so i, i think one of the other problems with truss wasn't that with liz truss wasn't just that the, the presentation , was the, the, the presentation, was wrong, etc. etc, but the other that spooked the markets when she had her was it a mini she had her mini was it a mini budget a budget kwasi budget or a budget with kwasi kwarteng was , these unfunded kwarteng was, these unfunded energy packages and she was going to hand out to the whole country and i think that was another thing which people didn't take into account. suddenly billions and billions they how billions, 50 they know how many billions, 50 billion, 100 billion, how was this to cost? so think she this going to cost? so think she handled it better. and what i find extraordinary in that article today article in the telegraph today was nobody told us was she said nobody told us about these what they called nobody told us. well, you would think any half competent politician who thinks they're good enough to be prime minister would know about. you would would know about. and you would certainly somebody certainly think that somebody kwasi himself as the
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kwasi who puts himself as the chancellor, would know about them. so the idea that they weren't pointed out, but i and i think currently the other thing on this subject is was the chancellor called the hunt when jeremy hunt when was well done careful . i hadn't even thought careful. i hadn't even thought of that one when he was running for leader he was running on a low tax policy. he was talking about reducing corporation tax to 50. now is he doing now he's actually got the levers of power to do something. he's going to put it to 25, which is madness . put it to 25, which is madness. so i would like to bring back truss this taxation commons sense, whether that means bring back the person herself. no, i don't . it does. you can't do don't. it does. you can't do that. but beyond that would she had the right idea. she was a tory. she was a conservative. the problem. and she's repentant. and i'm glad that she's unrepentant is because she was given a handful of those 40 odd so wasn't given odd days. so she wasn't given time enact it. my time to enact it. my understanding of that understanding of this is that it's not truss a nomics it's it's not the truss a nomics it's the office of budget
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responsibility, the opr , which responsibility, the opr, which was set up by cameron and osborne years almost act as osborne years almost to act as an impartial third party to view government forecasts , budgetary government forecasts, budgetary forecasts. and so think her point was that the opi are just put. i think she used the word so. so they they castigated, they criticised this and then they criticised this and then the markets reacted. it wasn't other way round. my understanding she also said in the article the all tends to undervalue the benefit of low taxes and supply side reforms for economic growth and the benefits of public spending . so benefits of public spending. so that's why. so in their minds it seems that they inevitably that puts a lot of pressure and puts tax up well so higher tax higher spend. but what we're doing we want to repeating about who actually in charge is it the tail wagging the dog is the dog wagging the tail because are civil and this is civil servants and this is against the thrust of her that civil servants. well, civil servants mandarins that all they see every colour are every hue of government , see every colour are every hue of government, but see every colour are every hue of government , but they're of government, but they're populated by people . to liz populated by people. to liz
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truss and by people right leaning views that populated by people with left leaning views . people with left leaning views. and this was a straitjacket that she herself put in she herself being put in involuntary . and of course the involuntary. and of course the markets then and once the markets then and once the markets react to back to your question of should we get rid the chancellor what she's she's goods her fault but goods it's not her fault but she's damaged goods. well what about a person? because if she's damaged goods, what is he could he come back just before we leave the open? she leave liz in the open? she didn't doesn't didn't trust the cabal why, i understand cabal is why, as i understand it, and kwasi kwarteng it, was she and kwasi kwarteng didn't pass it by the didn't pass their pass it by the hourin didn't pass their pass it by the hour in advance . which, of hour in advance. which, of course was it? they were appalled , didn't want to take appalled, didn't want to take a pause involved. and i think they took their revenge her with that awful. but so what do you think then. so that boris johnson then. so said that boris johnson if yeah then i think the if you. yeah then i think the conservatives would in next conservatives would in the next election really. yes i do . election win. really. yes i do. without maybe margin of without only by maybe margin of one is enough. yeah otherwise there's a lot of people keir starmer has rediscovered fact that tony blair was only
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successful because he tried to find a compromise between socialism and capitalism and why he won three elections on quest but isn't immune to that. he won three elections on quest but isn't immune to that . that's but isn't immune to that. that's why people on the left absolutely keir starmer they called him a tory or whatever that insult . yeah. yeah. and that insult. yeah. yeah. and there'll be lots of people knock around with people of all different opinions and lots of people who i know are to prepared for keir starmer next time. well, that's there's nothing else is there. many nothing else is there. how many lessons johnson but it's lessons is johnson but it's nonsense on the ballot . they nonsense on the ballot. they wouldn't. well let's before we get away before move on, let's go and find out what our view is. this investigation going on. well, let let's let's welcome a great british voice on their show that wants to show their opfions show that wants to show their options to tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing to. how discussing whilst. we go to. how about kidderminster, the carpets? mr. you always carpets? yes, mr. you always talk about the carpets. it's just john read . sirjohn, nice just john read. sirjohn, nice to see you . john what do you to see you. john what do you think? liz truss what? liz truss would you be to ? prepared bring would you be to? prepared bring it back. and if not, why ? when
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it back. and if not, why? when would we ever think of bringing liz truss back? in my opinion. watching the disintegrate should the conservative party and i might say your two guests on their on the rest of the people who seem to be saying well how can we win the next election? that's chaser tiles and run around it's a ghost and think of around it's a ghost and think of a different way of doing the same thing and. in my world, the rich get richer . the budget over rich get richer. the budget over when the tories are in control. and i think it's run its run its limits is . it's been going on limits is. it's been going on for long enough and it's high time. we had a change of government. and i think the sooner that happens the better. what part of what liz be a valuable part of the government ? not in my the tory government? not in my world, afraid none . i have world, i'm afraid none. i have never e. but the other never ever e. but the other world could be that the people, just everyone gets poorer. that's the concern is that certainly get rich, but everyone seems poorer . what certainly get rich, but everyone seems poorer. what are seems to get poorer. what are the isn't that that's the other isn't that that's that's people are concerned that's what people are concerned about thank about. oh, well, john, thank i agree with it. i agree with that
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exactly . thanks so much. don't exactly. thanks so much. don't let me talk to you. that's give him a say. he's that great british voice right. well, what do you let's see what you've been saying . jackie says bring been saying. jackie says bring back boris the to elected prime minister. it i'm afraid that's it. he's the out of all of them. they should have got rid of him. francis yes, but only just about bringing back. liz truss by the way, if you just you did first saying yes, but only for short saying yes, but only for a short penod saying yes, but only for a short period if she actually period to see if she actually gets growth going when he says truss is right the tories didn't give her a chance they wanted the heir to blair sunak. yeah i agree with that they did they pretty much did everything. get him there. you're with me. i'm not of. this is a gb news on tv onune not of. this is a gb news on tv online and on digital . we are online and on digital. we are the people's channel. we can also see us live on youtube now coming up just after five. it's outside my celebrity guest is a mystery she's a singer she was the queen of the jungle. she was also famous for appearing in asda and iceland . everyone this
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asda and iceland. everyone this one on. stay tuned though up after the break. it's world in russian daniel holmes but we'll be live in the studio. russia and ukraine have reportedly engagedin and ukraine have reportedly engaged in a prisoner. and ukraine have reportedly engaged in a prisoner . we'll engaged in a prisoner. we'll have all the details as they will be getting you the latest in america with the suspected chinese spy. that's after this this .
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hello. it's just coming hello. it'sjust coming up hello. it's just coming up to 9 minutes to 5:00. this is gb news. where? live on tv online and on digital radio. i'm not a square. it's not time for world view . now, the bodies of two view. now, the bodies of two british workers have now been returned to ukraine as part of a prisoner swap, i think as return from ukraine. over 100 soldiers have also returned to kyiv as part of the exchange. so joining me to talk about this, all
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things, russia is our political commentator and russia expert, danny armstrong. danny talk to me about this prisoner exchange . yeah, we talking about . yeah, we were talking about a few weeks ago is the sad news of chris parry and andrew bagshaw, the two british volunteers who were involved in evacuation missions , rather, in ukraine. missions, rather, in ukraine. they set off to the city of soledar , which is in northern soledar, which is in northern ukraine, as are northern donetsk, which a lot of is, of course, going on in the donbas region now. solidarity is a very strategic important city. it's the two sides are fighting over control for that for city, control for that for city, control for that for city, control for the some of the main routes that go into backwoods and of course, any territory in donbas is seen as essential to defend by russia . now when they defend by russia. now when they to soledar they missing in a few months weeks later again in prigozhin, which of course is the leader of the working group, which is which is secret army said they have found the bodies of the two men and published
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their passports and information. now then prigozhin and wagner group said that two were killed dunng group said that two were killed during fighting for the city of soledar when in fact the reality is they were volunteers who were killed in an evacuation mission. and this prisoner means that 160 iranian soldiers have been returned and 63 russian servicemen who were fighting and had a son in mariupol which of course, was a huge hotspot at the start of the war, flattened mariupol. yeah well, it just shows for how these, these these prisoners have been kept by, by both sides . yeah. the very sad both sides. yeah. the very sad news that these two british volunteers have been confirmed dead and the bodies of have returned from from that hotspot, of course , as we now know, of course, as we now know, ukraine prigozhin is the leader of the group published the information the passports and what he said the time was the documents that made will the documents that made will the documents that made will the documents that they receive to be able to fight in ukraine that
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was actually falsehood. they were volunteers involved . this were volunteers involved. this is a year on now. i pretty much i don't even to call it an anniversary it's that almost feels like when you say that you're the celebrate scene you're on the celebrate scene something it's not is it something it's not that is it it's the year this war has it's just the year this war has been raging all it did that been raging all it did seem that putin thought that it would be over quickly. and it's. over quite quickly. and it's. no, that's definitely no, that's that's definitely not case. coming up case. of course, we're coming up to would year. to a year would be year. exactly. february 24th. now exactly. on february 24th. now the coming out of the the news coming out of the ukraine from oleksii ukraine come from oleksii reznikov, which is the defence minister ukraine. expects minister in ukraine. he expects to be a huge offensive from russia, of course, as we're all anticipating spring offensive from . the winter has just from russia. the winter has just aboutis from russia. the winter has just about is just not falling over there in ukraine, which makes it very difficult to get anything done on the ground now that time is sort of to an end. is sort of coming to an end. resnikoff says there could a resnikoff says there could be a huge the defender of huge marking of the defender of the , which is the fatherland, which is on february 23rd. in russia february 23rd. i was in russia a year ago when i watched those rockets over moscow. they were there were fireworks . and then there were fireworks. and then a day later, a fireworks were
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forgotten about and it was rockets being fired from ukraine, landing in a fire from russia, but landing in ukraine. now, the reason course that there's been around about 500,000 mobilised servicemen from russia, that's the ukrainian estimate , run about ukrainian estimate, run about 300,000. those troops will be fully trained now because , the fully trained now because, the mobilisation began in september last year . so we are expecting last year. so we are expecting a an offensive by russia whether it will be exactly on the of a year since invasion. we're yet to see but of course we are anticipating spring offensive which will be sometime at the end of the year if not more than our sum. thank you very much is a political commentator. well, let's get stateside now. catch with showbiz reporter kinsey schofield. kinsey, just love a. do you know there's this chinese spy baleno. this is what it's been spy plane. even been termed as a spy plane. even though the aren't saying though the chinese aren't saying that, it is. don't that, that's what it is. don't talk to me about that. that's right. we found out about it on thursday , but allegedly the
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thursday, but allegedly the balloon entered , the us airspace balloon entered, the us airspace on january 28th, which has republican side of the political aisle saying that the biden was hiding this from the american people. it was successfully shot down on saturday. we know that the us rush to collect the pieces now that can believe that that balloon is the size of three school buses here in the states. i imagine that translate to three of your big red buses that's just floating around in the air. so the american side rush to , try to collect that rush to, try to collect that because they were afraid that the chinese be somewhere in the vicinity and collect the parts. they do suspect that. this is a spy balloon trying to collect information on the states indiana. i mean, why would we be surprised the chinese owns half of our land over here. but the thing , though, if the chinese thing, though, if the chinese are clever people, why would they think they could hide something the size of three buses to just thing? i mean, it
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doesn't sound like i mean, because we're all looking like we're all looking like this now. we're all looking down at our. it doesn't any sense. well, it just doesn't any sense. well, you're right, because it's on the phones. and they made phones and they wanted to spy on if they could just take all of our i don't need to put it devices. i don't need to put it devices. i sort of don't think was a spy balloon. but what are chinese saying it was . they they saying that it was. they they just said that it accidentally ended up in our airspace . but ended up in our airspace. but they do say that our was aggressive. they're about it. and of course we have been trying to re—establish a relationship china and this just obviously worsens it. well, yes, it is. that is a spy plane. it's the size of three buses. and they thought they could hide it seems a bit ridiculous. it was amazing to harry and meghan. let's be brief with because they did actually get an invite because obviously the other event was a sort of on 69 event which was a sort of on 69 was a celebration of was actually a celebration of anastasia beverly hills , which anastasia beverly hills, which they didn't get an invite to,
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even though all the big celebrities with their. weren't they invited l.a. celebrities with their. weren't they invited la. the genesis they invited to la. the genesis sort renewal of a vows . well sort of renewal of a vows. well nana ellen just cancelled of course they're going get invited. elon was recently for and alleged to be bully like a toxic work environment was the big scandal from buzzfeed here in the states and harry and meghan have been accused of being toxic workplace bullies. harry goes into detail about people crying on their desks at kensington palace while harry and meghan were members , senior and meghan were members, senior members of the royal family , members of the royal family, which, you know, does not help their cause . but, yes, they were their cause. but, yes, they were ianed their cause. but, yes, they were invited to ellen's vow renewals. apparently katy perry, jennifer aniston, courteney were there. and rumour has it that jennifer aniston, courteney cox there to specifically make uncomfortable because courteney cox was unhappy that he went into detail doing mushrooms in her presence at her house. wow oh, god. my
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goodness. that would have been a lot of fly on the wall there. and finally got back from trump, who's going to take on trump? he is. he is he now three? what's going on? oh, well, is. he is he now three? what's going on? oh, well , they have going on? oh, well, they have there really good there are some really good contenders desantis, contenders here. ron desantis, everybody . ron. and trump everybody loves. ron. and trump is going his right now, is going after his right now, nana. also got nikki nana. we've also got nikki haley. you know, americans love we throw a female in the mix all of a that you know there there's a of interest but there's also mike pence that could get really ugly then liz cheney ugly. and then if liz cheney throws her hat in there nana , throws her hat in there nana, all hell is going to break loose on that because it's diluted it everything. so it was just trump against it because there's lots of people . there's wanda sanders of people. there's wanda sanders and trump and others and others that trump is more likely to get to win because the vote will be quite heavily . i mean, i think quite heavily. i mean, i think so. he's got the biggest name. he's got the biggest presence. and when it comes to attack campaigns has got all the dirt on you and he is he's not going to hold back. well, joe biden
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seems to be in a bit of hot water as well with with his garage and all the documents they've found briefly, what's going on with him? i mean , think going on with him? i mean, think really, if we're looking this and i think gavin newsom, who's currently the governor of the state of california, being prepared to, replace joe. i don't think that the party wants him i think he's an embarrassment. and if i were being honest with you, i think that papers to me it feels like a setup that they have building and building and building this up to try to knock him out. well, i wouldn't surprise me at all. kinsey's always all. kinsey's for it. always a pleasure talk to thank you pleasure to talk to thank you very much. of course , schofield. very much. of course, schofield. she a youtube . she's a she is a youtube. she's a showbiz reporter . well, if showbiz reporter. well, if you're just joining me, why not? you've been it's okay. you've missed the first album time where a super special for where i got a super special for you coming up in the second houn you coming up in the second hour. more to come . by
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hour. more to come. by so good afternoon. it is fast approaching 5:00. i am nana akua. this is gb news tv online and the digital radio. for the next hour, me and my panel, we'll be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up, i'll be joined by very special guest who used be in the pop band atomic kitten the great british debate. and i'm asking, is it time to take back control of energy and water. but first, let's get you latest news headlines . good latest news headlines. good evening. it's 5:00. i'm karen armstrong in the gb newsroom. liz truss has admitted was not blameless in what happened dunng blameless in what happened during her time as prime minister, but has criticised the lack of political support from colleagues . writing in the colleagues. writing in the sunday telegraph , the former sunday telegraph, the former premier claimed she wasn't given realistic chance to act on her policies . she says she stands , policies. she says she stands, by her low tax agenda , calling by her low tax agenda, calling it a break from leftwards, thinking within the party.
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mistrust after 49 days following . economic turmoil that was by a mini budget. earlier on gb news, the business secretary grant defended the government's current economic plan . think current economic plan. think that his instincts are very conservative in the sense that we want to see taxes lowered over a period of time. but i think everyone recognises we've been through, you know, hell with coronavirus, which i did what, hundred billion pounds at least expenditure. we then had a war in ukraine which has pushed up energy prices and inflation and be very, very costly . police and be very, very costly. police say key witness in the search for , the missing mother of two, for, the missing mother of two, nicola birley, has forward. officers appealed . a woman seen officers appealed. a woman seen on cctv a yellow coat and pushing a pram in the area where dog walker disappeared in last friday. now they've called current speculation, an abuse on social media towards those helping police as totally unacceptable. however forensic search and rescue peter folding
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told gb news there is significant doubt over police investigation . nicola was last investigation. nicola was last seen in the top field by the find the witness. there's nothing say she couldn't have been kidnapped and dragged and put in a car and taken. and someone could have put mobile phone by the rivers state court or nicola wanted to disappear. it just doesn't ring right the amount of searches that's gone in this river. the body if there was only in there is no way you're going to go all way down to the sea. not with. that that current current. the uk's biggest nurses union offered to call off next week's plans in england if the prime minister a new meaningful pay offer . pat new meaningful pay offer. pat cullen, the head of the royal college of nursing, says she is directly to rishi sunak for the first time to avert the action . first time to avert the action. nurses and ambulance staff combining on monday , widely combining on monday, widely predicted to be the biggest day of strike action in the history
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of strike action in the history of the nhs. nurses will strike again on tuesday. of the nhs. nurses will strike again on tuesday . ambulance again on tuesday. ambulance workers following suit . on workers following suit. on friday, the health secretary, steve barclay has called the action regrettable . china says action regrettable. china says it strongly opposes decision by the united states to shoot down a suspected spy balloon was thought to be carrying out surveys of sensitive military sites . fighter jets brought it sites. fighter jets brought it down over the atlantic ocean off the coast of south carolina yesterday . earlier, three yesterday. earlier, three airports were closed and airspace restrict it in the southeast of the country . joe southeast of the country. joe biden had vowed to take care of it and later gave , the order. it and later gave, the order. china maintains it was a weather ship which had been blown off course . ukraine says expects course. ukraine says expects a possible major new from russia this month . ukraine's defence this month. ukraine's defence minister, meanwhile says the west's supplies , though, are west's supplies, though, are unlikely to arrive in time . he unlikely to arrive in time. he says kyiv has the resources to hold back any russian offences. it comes as the country's
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foreign announced the 12 countries are to give more 100 thanks to ukraine. he didn't name the countries said the aid was . i can name the countries said the aid was. i can that in the first wave of contribute the ukrainian forces will receive between hundred and 20 and 140 western model tanks . these are leopard 2 model tanks. these are leopard 2 . challenger to m—1 abrams. and we are counting on la claire . we are counting on la claire. this is not a low number, but we continue to work on both. expand the membership of the tank coalition and increasing the contribute tions of those already pledged and pakistan's former president general pervez musharraf has died aged 79 following a prolonged illness . following a prolonged illness. he died in hospital in dubai , he died in hospital in dubai, beenin he died in hospital in dubai, been in self—imposed exile since 2008. musharraf seized power in a coup in 1999, oversaw rapid growth in the country. he
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celebrity , former mp or someone celebrity, former mp or someone who's an extremely interesting career to take a look life career to take a look at life after job. we're talking his after the job. we're talking his legs. the lessons learnt. what comes next on the outside of the day ? my special, special day? my special, special celebrity is best known for being part of a very popular girl group that came on the scene in the late nineties. i remember it well . she was also remember it well. she was also crowned queen of the jungle in 2004. she has five children and was previously married to . brian was previously married to. brian mcfadden from westlife and was recently on celebrity sps who dares wins when mystery guest will be live in a moment. and for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time take back control of energy and water. according to reports and water. according to reports and gas giant shell have has seen record profits as the pubuc seen record profits as the public although even more on energy bills. but do we need to reduce our reliance on foreign energy? or perhaps think about the nationalisation of the utility sector? is it time to take back control ? i'll be take back control? i'll be joined by environmentalist stanley johnson, also a physicist and engineer , brian
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physicist and engineer, brian cat. you won't want to miss that. all that is on the way. over the next hour, the email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. a good afternoon. welcome on board. if you just in. where have you been? it's good day. you've come in to have a very good time because it's for this week's outside. now my very special guest was part of an all female pop trio and has also i'm a celebrity get me out of here in two thousandfold. she's appeared numerous reality shows, including dancing , ice, shows, including dancing, ice, and most recently sas who dares wins . but and most recently sas who dares wins. but away and most recently sas who dares wins . but away from the wins. but away from the spotlight, she's a loving mother for five children. she was married to westlife member brian fallon and she shares two children with him. she's currently to fitness guru ryan . currently to fitness guru ryan. her life has not been without its share of struggles . she's its share of struggles. she's been declared bankrupt twice in her life, survived an abusive
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marriage and has been very open about her struggles , her mental about her struggles, her mental health. i'm pleased to say , health. i'm pleased to say, joined now by singer and reality star kerry katona . kerry, thank star kerry katona. kerry, thank i. hi. thank you so much for joining me. how wonderful . joining me. how wonderful. support introduction. well i mean, you've done so . i mean, mean, you've done so. i mean, when you hear all that , you just when you hear all that, you just think, crikey, i've been through a lot. is that what i actually think? that i make a really netflix series . you're better netflix series. you're better than that. and i can tell you that now. so talk about you then, because i remember when first came across atomic kitten, those are the days you were fabulous and you were together for a little bit, but then you guys separated, what happened with that band? i was actually in the band for a minute. i only did like one album with them, fell pregnant with my first child, molly . i left and the child, molly. i left and the band continue very successfully. wasn't bitter at all. and they did really well. and i think they they they ended it in 2004
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when i was actually in the jungle and then we did a tv show called the big reunion. we all got together and as girls and women do , we had a falling out. women do, we had a falling out. and i think the two girls is still gigging now. natasha and they do really well . yeah they do really well. yeah i remember that because i also remember that because i also remember that because i also remember that when you were married to brian mcfadden, i remember thinking, god, you're so lucky , what a wonderful life. so lucky, what a wonderful life. what was that like? was he was in westlife. you were like the sort of the couple. yeah it was. you know what i think from being a kid, from going from foster home and walking down the aisle to like to member who's in a boy band and having all these celebrities around me just it was like a fairytale wedding. it really, really was. and the best thing about that marriage was i got molly and lilly from it and it was you . i've had ever i've it was you. i've had ever i've had many a marriage since, to be honest. yeah, but myself got google it off at time and but yeah, it was a, it was quite,
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quite actually because the madness of , quite actually because the madness of, mine and brian's marriage started more or less when we divorced where we separate ed and i left atomic kitten to become a stay at home mom. i just wanted to be a mom and a wife. i didn't want to be rich and famous. that was my dream. that was my goal. and that's what i became. and i ended up doing the jungle. so got bit bored and it just went got a bit bored and it just went crazy from there. video passions is sort of wanted be a mum. did that come from your own upbringing? massively yeah. i've always just wanted to a mom and always just wanted to a mom and a wife, but saying that though. i couldn't. i wouldn't say i'm too driven. i wouldn't be able too driven. i wouldn't be able to be a stay at home mom. now, i love my kids at home. i've got all five children in the house as we speak. the somewhere and. i am a grafter. i'm a worker driven. i'm ambitious , i'm driven. i'm ambitious, i'm determined, i'm resilient . driven. i'm ambitious, i'm determined, i'm resilient. i do love to work for my kids. and that's the reason why i do it is
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for my kids. but definitely the reason why i wanted to be a mom was probably because of my childhood. i mean, i love my mum to bits, but it wasn't the greatest of childhoods. what was your childhood like? a your childhood like? tell me a bit more that . well, my bit more about that. well, my mum , i mean, i get on great with mum, i mean, i get on great with my mom a little bit, but we mum almost self—harm. i feel a lot of mental health issues and drug issues.i of mental health issues and drug issues. i end in foster home. my mum was with abusive men , which mum was with abusive men, which i kind of right behaviour really of took into my into adult years as well really i guess when i met brian brian was like a knight in shining armour took me way from england. but then when he left me just came tumbling down and you know, i had a proper breakdown and end up marrying, you know , my mom's marrying, you know, my mom's drug dealer . marrying, you know, my mom's drug dealer. i just see i just had it as well and just, you know , although, you know, i just know, although, you know, i just had a proper breakdown. i wasn't coping very especially back then
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in the day, the news the world was around, you know, the intrusion of the press was just it was mind blowing . i was it was mind blowing. i was suicidal. i couldn't handle it. so turned to cocaine, which so i turned to cocaine, which became my best friend at the time. so i don't think i really had that was keeping me going you know brian left me he was in australia. yeah, i was by myself. these two children myself. have these two children and house. it was and this press my house. it was crazy . it was a crazy, crazy crazy. it was a crazy, crazy time and. i can't believe i got through it, to be honest. you, because i remember time because i can remember that time because i can remember that time because tell that when because you could tell that when you married your second you you married your second husband. that's mark croft it. that was it? yes. but that didn't like it was a very good relationship as i was going, oh, that doesn't look good you know you know when he was with mark, i mean, i will not deny everything that i married. i've loved along the way and i've i've had i've never been manipulated . chips have always manipulated. chips have always ever end up marrying and in mind i was only 18 when i met brian.
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we were together for seven years and when brian me with mark, what that was it was i thought oh my god, my kids are from a broken home now. and i was trying to fulfil my dream . a trying to fulfil my dream. a child not so much worried about what they needed, but oh my god, you know, not not realising that i was for my kids, that i thought need to get married. and mark asked me samarium and i was like, yeah , that would fix like, yeah, that would fix everything now fix a problem. no, i will, i'll get married. i'll have an awesome kids and, you know, try and fix what's been broken and that's a pattern that i continued to do and. then i did it with my third husband as well. i had another child as well . and this time around been well. and this time around been with brian nearly five years anomaly and at this point other i'm talking to divorce lawyers there's not a kid inside and it's not a marriage sight yet either but that's something . either but that's something. yeah okay good thing . what do yeah okay good thing. what do you think that you could see. so i imagine it is learnt. have you
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just said that you end up with people who seem to be a few people who seem to be a few people don't quite fit the mould? now do you feel that you've got it right at last. i think have had to through think have had to go through what been through to be who what i've been through to be who i am today , be who i am i am with today, be who i am today. people say, do you have any regrets? but no regrets. don't regret the drugs. i don't get the bankruptcy. don't get the bankruptcy. i don't regret husbands . i've not regret the husbands. i've not made mistakes. they've been made any mistakes. they've been lessons. human the lessons. we're all human the only thing is all my lessons have all been in the public eye. i'm a human being. you know. i was a product of an affair i was in for sex foster parents refuges. you know the statistics me doing well for myself are pretty grim. now the thought that i've achieved what i have achieved is pretty phenomenal to be honest with you, i'm really proud of myself. i've been bankrupt twice . i've come from bankrupt twice. i've come from nothing . i've gone back to being nothing. i've gone back to being a millionaire again that that matters any any but the money in the bank , the size your house, the bank, the size your house, the bank, the size your house, the cars drive . the one thing the cars drive. the one thing i've realised is your riches are
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in your memories , create your in your memories, create your family and that's one thing i've learnt. but i am driven, always making sure that my kids are provided for. making sure that my kids are provided for . yeah. and i never provided for. yeah. and i never yeah. yeah it's really good to see somebody like you having lots of children as well because a lot of people in your position us to talk about abortion. i'll get rid of that because can't afford to do this and that's why like i like watching your journey, katie price's journey. one of the things remember one of the things i remember really quite clearly was the time from that you were on good morning britain good morning britain also. good morning. you know, morning. i got this you know, i don't know what it was this morning talking morning and talking about i haven't a clue. you know, haven't that's a clue. you know, it's not you know what i mean? you know, the along with what was on with you then was was going on with you then was that was on bipolar medication that i was on bipolar medication now , be honest, i have children now, be honest, i have children of cocaine up my nose. i've drank cows, come home, i've reason to lie. i was on a bipolar medication and the time when i was at the priory, it was and error to find this there's no there's no there's no media
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will make this i'm all or nothing so at the time to find the right and the side effects of the medication that i was taken was slurred speech and took my medication so late at night that so affected my speech. the day . and that speech. the next day. and that is all it was but at the time, mental was never looked it was just you know i got diagnosed with bipolar in 2005 . my first with bipolar in 2005. my first anti—depressant i was given to me was when i was 17. nobody wanted to ask you soon. mary carey. she's strong on coke somewhere. she's that you know, i've got no reason to lie the most open and honest person you love me in your life. and it was pure bipolar, unfortunately. but nobody really looked into mental health. nobody actually understood or, you know, nobody eveni understood or, you know, nobody even i had bipolar. so when i when they said so, you know, your speech is like what samantha said. well, it's a side effect. my medication. i've got something bipolar, not one side. anybody say it's me oh, okay.
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what's bipolar, kerry and want some medication , you take it some medication, you take it because we don't understand this mental health is so it to us because if i went on in a wheelchair with degree burns on my face and my arm broke and my speech was lit, you could visually see that it something wrong with me? see me like oh god love a bless you know, but because this is a mental health issue you understand what's going on. you also recently are going on. you also recently are going to me and that's exactly happened to me because when i was something a lot of people thought, oh, she's drunk or something, she's on something. some but actually you were i was on something also by a medication supposed help you? yeah, yeah so kerry and yeah, yeah, yeah so kerry and then there was another thing i want to ask you as well, because i know now with fitness i know you're now with a fitness guy, probably do music, guy, so you probably do music, fitness stuff, but you go fitness and stuff, but you go through a series of surgeries like now do something you did you didn't list it. i'm like you you didn't list it. i'm like a flatpack from ikea. may i be slice and dice that many times a
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column of cod. i cook instructions. what we're together in the mornings. i do i've definitely got body dysmorphia my i've been in the industry since it was 17 and i recently had a tummy tuck a couple of years ago which i should never had done to be honest with you. but i butcher up and i've just gone and got a corrective surgery done at moment. but despite the fact of have been as fit as he is and beta petit is also my business partner. so we live together , we partner. so we live together, we sleep together, we eat together . if he tells me how to do a, i will punch him . it's always the will punch him. it's always the way i usually go . and i'd say way i usually go. and i'd say that. and he goes, don't tell me what do i mean? don't get me wrong, i love exercise. and exercise is what actually saved my life. yeah. and maintain my bipolar and i quit three years ago which i'm really proud of. well, this one thing that comes along with quitting smoking, you put a shed load away on and
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let's be honest, you know, house pnces let's be honest, you know, house prices rising, gas and electric are rising . so i thought i'll are rising. so i thought i'll get rid of insulation my body so we save money. well, it depends if you replace the smoking for eating you could eat apple instead. kerry told me about what you're doing now then because you're doing pentagon you no no no if you to pants i would do that with my daughter i just released my kid also like a fake called hole again which is available all bookshops now it's going by it's a really good beat it's very at regards to my photos phone which is about domestic violence which was very very difficult to read to actually write . if that book can actually write. if that book can help person, then was worth writing and. i have loads of projects coming up at the moment. a lot of them i can't talk about, but i've got my fitness app, i've got my app, i've got karis they take these loads going out and i've got five kids and i've got an orion. well listen, i'm really to see because you look really happy
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and i wish you well. thank you thank you so much for talking to us carrie. really good. thank you. using that is you. god bless by using that is the fabulous carrie keto now she's a singer, a reality star and, an entrepreneur. well, coming up. it's not quite a british debate this hour. i'm asking is it time to take back control of energy and water? oil and gas giant shell has been seen record annual profits at the many us are the same time, many of us are struggling pay our energy struggling to pay our energy bills. time ? take back bills. so is it time? take back control of the utilities sector? we'll joined by boris father, we'll be joined by boris father, environmentalist stanley johnson. also, engineer brian to debate this topic. do not go anywhere you won't want to .
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miss good afternoon . is this coming good afternoon. is this coming up to 24 minutes after 5:00? this is gb news on tv online and
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on digital radio . i'm nana on digital radio. i'm nana a kweer now up for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking is it time to take back control of energy and water? oil and gas giant has reported record profits hitting . £32 billion last, which is highest in its 115 year history. now, this comes the same time energy companies are under fire for forcibly replacement metres in vulnerable vulnerable people's homes. sir keir starmer has previously proposed creating a publicly owned energy company to help tackle the cost living crisis. so as an energy bills skyrocket. do we need to reduce our reliance on foreign energy? or perhaps think about nationalisation of the utility sector. so for the great british this i'm asking is it time to take back control of energy and water? i'm joined now by former mep and international ambassador to conservative environment network stanley johnson and also physicist and engineer brian
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cat. i'm going to start with you , but i start with one of you to go first. i'll start. stanley, do you think it's time that we having seen the way these energy are profiteering off the backs of our misery? is it time that started to look at actually bnng started to look at actually bring it all in the house? bring it all back in the house? well, can see the case for the well, i can see the case for the first part of it, which is to do with profiteering. yeah that makes of sense. i mean the makes a lot of sense. i mean the amount it were, windfall amount of, as it were, windfall amount of, as it were, windfall a windfall gain has come to the energy companies really, it does seem to me to be perfectly reasonable for the government to capture that particular a time when the company been paying when the company has been paying some subsidies to some fairly massive subsidies to households meet the households to make meet the energy bills. on the second part of your question on that was should bring things back in the house. no i think you've to look at economics. you've economics. there will be some forms of the energy which makes sense energy dossier which makes sense for us. there'll be other forms make for other countries make sense for other countries to do. you know, if it's a soldier, such to say we have to
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reduce every sort of energy we have. yes, we're very good wind energy. we have a comparative advantage. i go back to, you know, basic economics, the law of comparative advantage. some things. some things no. so things. yes, some things no. so i'd against as what, i'd be against as what, automatic repatriations are. we're trying to make all kinds of energy in every corner of the land. of energy in every corner of the land . concentrate on we can land. concentrate on what we can do best. okay. let's get to bnan do best. okay. let's get to brian catterall in terms windfall. yeah it would be nice if the windfalls on costs , if the windfalls on costs, there's a quote, global price for energy, which we can't in the uk because we have little sovereign resources. if we had our own gas. if had our own or more of our own nuclear, then we could control energy prices better. when you say our own, would that be owned by us and the government, or would you say as a privatised i have this discussion with my mp who's kwasi and he famously kwasi kwarteng and he famously informed me that if we tried to control price of gas that we
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only came out of under underneath ground that that would be communism . and i said would be communism. and i said that it was sense quality because it's what happens in every country where they have natural gas reserves can go down to under a cent per kilowatt hourin to under a cent per kilowatt hour in libya. i think russia, all these that you can't there is no global price for gas. so there's all sorts of things we can do. the other thing is, as far as the money is concerned, i would get because we're not going to get rid of internal combustion engine vehicles a lot longer than 20, 30. we need refineries that will produce petrol at a cost price. and one of the problems is we don't have enoughin of the problems is we don't have enough in new refineries because of the uncertainty of electrification . well i think electrification. well i think the economics are crucial and if we were if we an as a country, we're going to devote an awful lot of time to rebuilding our our own oil or supplies , so on
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our own oil or supplies, so on and so forth. the cost of our road might be far above, you know, the market cost of oil. so we would then in the end, we should be buying cheaper oil abroad . you see, what i'm abroad. you see, what i'm getting at would be unless you say the rule is that only a british produce energy can be sold. and in the uk , which would sold. and in the uk, which would be a piece of nonsense. so i think economics is the key, but i was of those. i think we really need to bring in here and thatis really need to bring in here and that is the whole effort as we plan our energy production, including effort including our worldwide effort of will be of energy production, will be indeed meet some of the indeed to meet some of the targets been down for targets have been laid down for us by the global warming us now by the global warming debate and they are they are strong and fierce targets in the energy and that a huge energy and that plays a huge will. energy plays will. yes. and energy plays a huge that. and huge huge role in that. and there's doubt about it that there's no doubt about it that there's no doubt about it that the role of in the creation of greenhouse gases , co2 and others greenhouse gases, co2 and others is absolutely i mean, you know , is absolutely i mean, you know, it rises 20 or 30. but what about you've brought in net zero the government was talking about
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everybody having electric cars. they've got their targets to stop stopping the production of petrol fossil fuel powered cars new cars by 30 i think is it here in the europe it's 2035 we already know that's unrealistic. i well here again you raise a particularly good question and thatis particularly good question and that is how can we do all the things we have now planning to do absent the framework which we had within the european union? and that's why i say this idea now have of scrapping you 4000 eu laws on retained laws is completely, completely nonsense on the electric car point . i on the electric car point. i think it's a little bit of rethinking is going to go on because we are not making the progress we ought to making on the on the weight of the battery and charging networks don't and the charging networks don't seem something which we seem to be something which we really very really need to work work very hard open thinks a lot hard at one open thinks a lot about those what was your thoughts that? well yeah thoughts on that? well yeah you've got to double or double for the vehicular transport and treble if you want to electrify
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heating the current infrastructure we have for electricity , you can look these electricity, you can look these numbers up in the whatever it is, the b ice website . it's not is, the b ice website. it's not difficult . the other thing i'd difficult. the other thing i'd say is the scare stories about climate. you really need to go and check the reality on those because the temperatures changed since 1998. el nino was the warmest while warmest years in the last decade. yet the point is it's flat pretty much since 90, according to the best instruments we've got. which of the satellite constellation . and the satellite constellation. and that's the one. and it's point three of a degree. it's called point three of a degree. in the last three years, i've got king charles's brilliant book, which is the ladybird book called time is the ladybird book called time is climate change, and he's an expert is he is an expert. he does absolute nothing. he's got no . and i'm just i'm just no. and i'm just i'm just saying, you can't argue with the that that is the other point. i want you i can speak it is idiot. but but the point about
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all of this is that the people who are making these decisions are making on the basis of policy. they're not making them on the basis of science. the people who should be deciding on the economics and the physics and the properties of matter, i.e. the energy intensity of fuels engineers physics fuels are engineers and physics ists and who did this ? we had ists and who did this? we had this debate. we've had argument before, have we haven't we have we have. i mean, you have , as it we have. i mean, you have, as it were, are using a tough, tough word to you as were denigrated the ip cc on this platform and i can't i was talking about politicians in this well you can't do your i know they are god you are guided by the ipcc politicians are guided by the icc . and they also in this icc. and they also in this country that also by the work of the climate change committee, which is very serious body , which is very serious body, which is very serious body, which is very serious body, which is john comey's operation, which is john comey's operation, which has all those interests advising on what to invest in while they decide what laws parliament should pass to subsidise . same thing. i think subsidise. same thing. i think
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that anybody who challenges the work , the ipcc and the work of work, the ipcc and the work of the climate change committee is on the hiding from nothing. i'm not going to be rude. i will be rude. you can be my opinion. we're going to be invite people to go and look at the facts and that's certainly finished. i'm saying it just has to be in control. vertebral now that these challenges are out there. i'm not saying there aren't difficulties in them. and you rightly pointed out the electric is a real problem . is a real is a real problem. is a real problem, but that doesn't mean that the whole of our efforts in energy and in other sectors need not begin to try and meeting their targets. finally it's you. who, me ? it's clear if you just who, me? it's clear if you just look at what the ipcc says that the basis of their advice , our the basis of their advice, our government, the policy guidelines we signed up to accept, which is excuse for doing everything. stanley is talking, are wrong. nothing i predict it has actually happened . it's as simple as that. so with regard to energy and owning the means of production when it
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comes to things, you know, actually taking house, do you think . well there's an think. well there's an interesting point. you have a one minute i am not against our earning means of production. i like the concept of a public sector is something which is dnven sector is something which is driven as a private institution even if it's earned by the pubuc.i even if it's earned by the public. i find what you on that particular said what stanley said about economic is absolutely correct. i would agree completely we should do as much sovereign stuff we can that makes economic sense . and then makes economic sense. and then beyond obviously we should beyond that, obviously we should go and get where it's cheaper. and i and we agree nuclear, and i and we agree on nuclear, which only easy, which is the only easy, sustainable solution . there we sustainable solution. there we go. like see it ending an go. i like to see it ending an agreement. yeah. it's agreement. yeah yeah. it's always good . i thank you very always good. i thank you very much. good to stanley johnson, citizen of the conservative network and also catt, a physicist and engineer that they're still fighting you with me. i've done that. this is dvd on tv online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with that great british debate this hour , asking is it time to
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this hour, asking is it time to take back toll of energy and water use is the thoughts of my panel water use is the thoughts of my panel. christine hamilton and also danny kelly. but first, let's get the latest news headunes let's get the latest news headlines headlines.
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what for it wasn't just after 5:00 this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm not a square now time for our great budget debate this so i'm asking is it time to take back of energy and water? oil gas giant shell have reported their highest profits in 115 years. that's in its history of existence, hitting over history of existence, hitting ove r £32 billion last year. now, over £32 billion last year. now, sir keir starmer has pledged to publicly owned energy company run on renewables if labour win the next general election . so the next general election. so with the cost of living driving a driving unit just goes up,
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with the cost of living driving a driving unit just goes up , the a driving unit just goes up, the keir starmer have the right idea . should we think about nationalisation of parts of the utility sector. so for the great british debate this hour i'm asking is it time to take back control of things like energy and water. see what my panel make that. i'm joined by make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster and journalist danny kelly , also author and well, kelly, also author and well, what else are you? what are you? what are you ? well, i think what are you? well, i think whatever . well, i'll start with whatever. well, i'll start with danny. okay. so we've got the big energy giants, the boss of shell. they're taking on a massive, massive project profits. and we are struggling in this country because of the pnces in this country because of the prices going in gas. i'm a red blooded , but i also understand blooded, but i also understand there are aspects of socialism which which i warm towards. and i look at the french model, i think it's edf. i look at the french model, i think it's edf . and that's think it's edf. and that's a capitalist country . and the capitalist country. and the nationalisation of something so vital to people's life , i.e, vital to people's life, i.e, water and heating up our homes. i don't have problem. the
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benefits of having a business run anything is that they're experts in that field and that's one of the reasons that tony blair decided in the 1990s or whatever to pfi local health care. because the experts were the people could run businesses not not mandarins in london in whitehall . and that's my only whitehall. and that's my only concern is that will it be as a go to use the word profitable that the pfi did not go down well at all. no, of course not. you have people pay 20 quid for a packet of aspirin. it's it's awful. so that was the theory behind it. and that would be my only i if they could bring down people's bills are people people's energy bills are people now who can't afford to put their lackey on. fact, there their lackey on. in fact, there was last week british was a story last week british gas third debt gas actually third party debt collectors into people's homes. so to fit prepayment metres i thought was a scam. they're not allowed to do that. no exact . so allowed to do that. no exact. so that illustrates that's indicative of how some people are struggling at the moment and
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i don't have i hope you don't call me a lefty socially . ms. call me a lefty socially. ms. hamilton this is how it goes now, but that's how feel about it. i don't mind a hybrid socialism and capitalism. what you think, christine? well, my all my are against nationalisation of anything. i mean, yes, of course. water is an extremely important thing. it is energy is extremely important? water. they're all important. but if nationalisation was that was the silver bullet , we would be silver bullet, we would be nationalising our food supply , nationalising our food supply, wouldn't we? but no, we get a much better food supply because it's done by private enterprise . we get competition and we get lower so my lower prices. so all my instincts no to instincts are no no, no to nationalisation because doesn't work. mean, harold wilson work. i mean, harold wilson decided nationalise the decided to nationalise the commanding heights of the british economy way back in the seventies, early 7060s. and it was. nationalised industries are any they're run by bureaucrats so they are. you want the. you want the competitive instinct you want businesses competing against other. it's whether you put a wind farm against a
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windfall tax instinctively whether you put a windfall tax on is another that whether you tax a private company when they're making excessive profits that's a kind of different issue but no i am utterly against nationalising anything but but i mean just instinctively put you put good people in charge of it this time because a lot of the time we've got just pen pushers in these nationalised industries. but what if you put really good experienced people in because those in front of that? because those you have is in times of war as we've seen, what happens to, the energy within times of, energy prices within times of, say, disease for example with covid you get the things that you need because of it is owned by this global that makes a problem with supply a supply equipment and things. so surely it wise for things that are crucial to like things like and water to be owned by and exist in the country rather than having rely on a foreign source who could cut you off. as we've
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seen with putin in russia at any . i quite agree but that means we should be we should be getting making full use of resources in the north sea . we resources in the north sea. we should be building nuclear stations, which we have just very belatedly decided to do. we should be making energy self—sufficient far as we possibly can, but that doesn't mean we should do it under nationalised umbrella. then you again are in hock with the private business again so they can charge what they like. i think your example about if worked or nationalisation would actually nationalise supply, but if you walk down the local , if you walk down the local, there's a market in sparks just 50 paces away from here. there are probably 250 separate business entities that stacked the shelves. so to say let's just nationalise the food supply , that's just impossible because have a fellow who makes the bread, you have a fellow who makes the jam that goes on it. you have the dairy farmer that produces the butter and you produces the butter and the you know, you get it. but it's not really yourself because you are . so why your example
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. so that's why your example i think was an invalid one. but it's provided by private enterprise. it's private that bnngs enterprise. it's private that brings all those things together , offers it to the consumer. it's not a nationalised industry that does it . no, but you it's not a nationalised industry that does it. no, but you said if nationalisation was so good, you nationalise the food supply. oh, sorry. well, would really oh, sorry. well, i would really at supermarkets at nationalised supermarkets that this the food provision. that this is the food provision. no, no no. individual, not no, no, no. not individual, not that's all mine ism. no that's not fidel castro . and now not fidel castro. and now nationalisation a step towards very much in my view but why is communism some things a bad thing ? because there are models thing? because there are models that apply to different things. applying that model to things we need as a as an we should own in case of war, for example, us. but we should that somebody could poison the supply , you could poison the supply, you know, in sort of some sort of biological. i'm not suggesting i'm just saying that that is one of the reasons why you should own sort of things, own these sort of things, because to because they are crucial to life. cannot exist life. you cannot well exist without mean, the without water. i mean, the difference capitalism difference between capitalism and , capitalism is the and socialism, capitalism is the unequal sharing of affluence and
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socialism as the equal sharing of misery and the economy works , in my opinion, under capital ism, the profit motive is incredibly powerful. and i agree have got these slightly egregious examples at the moment of a difficult shell. doesn't make all of these massive profits in this country as well as why . so it is a global as why. so it is a global profits that they're making. it isn't all all from here. sorry. what the question. well, you know it starts with utilities should we take them so things like water. no no definitely . like water. no no definitely. no, i don't. but what about again, let's just throw a curve ball . and what about the people ball. and what about the people who are struggling to heat their homes ? and if it was homes? and if it was a nationalised industry, then they wouldn't be struggling to heat the because all the homes because basically all of lecce and the gas would of their lecce and the gas would be through to their little be fed through to their little one maisonettes in one bed. maisonettes in tottenham, london. tottenham, north london. currently they're freezing. they're put on extra they're having to put on extra layers nationalisation layers and the nationalisation would eradicate that. would actually eradicate that. and doing is , we're and all we're doing is, we're just removing the vast profit got all myself started like
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jeremy corbyn because our money is was the government is going what was the government have given have done is literally given them money which we're going to pay them money which we're going to pay so they have given them pay back so they have given them money giving us the money so, they're giving us the money. companies money. so the energy companies are money, then they are getting the money, then they take our bills but take it off our bills for but the price is still rising. so things like energy, i don't i capitalism i like it as a model for things but think there are for things but i think there are some never done some things should never be done to very sympathetic towards to your very sympathetic towards the assisting the nationalisation assisting people world the nationalisation assisting peofcan't world the nationalisation assisting peofcan't afford world the nationalisation assisting peofcan't afford to world the nationalisation assisting peofcan't afford to . world the nationalisation assisting peofcan't afford to . and norld the nationalisation assisting peofcan't afford to . and i)rld the nationalisation assisting peofcan't afford to . and i was who can't afford to. and i was mrs. hamilton. i was wondering i think why you can't be sympathetic to very impoverished having to live. of course i am. ihave having to live. of course i am. i have never said anything that doesn't make said that. no, i have not said anybody. anybody cannot afford to pay the bills. of course i need . i am of course i need. i am desperately sympathetic to people who are at the bottom end. well, let's nationalise it. and the point is that what you need, the whole country needs to have more growth so that you have more growth so that you have more growth so that you have more available to have more money available to help the bottom of help people at the bottom of the. oh i've the. that's not oh mike i've turned into. no, you are. i've told that to a lot but it's
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quite an unfair say. i am not sympathetic. i i think that's really what the implication could be interpreted that you weren't sympathetic . but i'm weren't sympathetic. but i'm sorry some people but what she was saying basically that being more expensive you nationalise it the more prosperous a country , the more it can help the least well—off that's need well—off. that's what we need right ? show is nothing without right? show is nothing without union views. that's welcome some of great british that of our great british voices that often this show and often to be on this show and tell us what they think about the topics when discussing i've got three today i've got david bombings bedford i've got bombings is in bedford i've got dr. sasha moodley and also brian duke. dr. sasha moodley and also brian duke . brian, dr. sasha moodley and also brian duke. brian, i'm going to go to you because your face the biggest if this goes to the back of it and yeah i agree with you i mean if that we have commodities which are absolutely essential life energy and water at the heart of that i we have to have some system surely our country whereby know great minds can can be brought to bear in of
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their system that will make those commodities available to everybody especially the most vulnerable society where they are not prone to being attacked and their own homes, which is really what it is in order install these these pair or whatever it is it's absolutely obscene while there is scandalous profiteering going on on the part of the big companies and i agree with you that we have something that can that can really return that to how it should be. yeah well, thank you for that, stephanie. what do you think ? good afternoon, nana. think? good afternoon, nana. yes, i agree with brian and with you , nana, as well as danny. you, nana, as well as danny. kenny i do think we need to take of the energy , the water, if of the energy, the water, if it's going to help . as you it's going to help. as you explained, part of it is going to help reduce our bills if it's going to help us in places like, war times and difficulties and also if it's going to help the
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current climate in terms of the cost of living crisis, people are struggling to make ends meet and pay their bills . so and pay their bills. so definitely, i agree we should aim to try to do that. definitely, i agree we should aim to try to do that . i'm not aim to try to do that. i'm not sure if the government is going to be to do it. but yes, i think so. i don't they can do anything and that's going to you and david, from your thoughts . and i david, from your thoughts. and i know it's not very simple . i'm know it's not very simple. i'm old. i'm 64. and i remember what harold wilson did , miles, harold wilson did, miles, remember what margaret thatcher did ? and i remember telling sid did? and i remember telling sid apparently that about nationalisation . unfortunately nationalisation. unfortunately nationalisation. unfortunately nationalisation doesn't work. how altruistic the government want to be. it fails because it's run committees for committees and no decisions ever made about investment . but we do made about investment. but we do need to have at the time of national crisis as covid or what was happening luton where the government can achieve limited put limits that. but as you said
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madam shell profits are not from shell gb but shell global. so how are we supposed to nationalise shell which is not actually a british company ? we actually a british company? we can't do bp. it's not a british company. it's a global company. well, just the answer to that we could start fracking and get our own sources energy and then bnng own sources energy and then bring them in—house and to some degree. yeah well, thank you very much for your thoughts . and very much for your thoughts. and by 64 is an old that's by the way, 64 is an old that's what christine said. so that say she said she wishes same was 64. well listen, thank you so much. my wonderful quote british forces, farm, fact forces, david farm, in fact milton keynes and brought solihull. right. let's have a quick look at what been quick look at what you've been saying today. i've been asking, is it time to take back control of energy and water. lots of you've been getting in touch with thoughts. says with your thoughts. dave says nationalise water and places took controls on energy took the controls on energy companies simply not companies option is simply not fit for purpose at this time, cain absolutely or at the cain says. absolutely or at the very least, take of tariffs. john says no. i can still
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remember , when water and energy remember, when water and energy were nationalised , absolute were nationalised, absolute nightmare . well, interesting to nightmare. well, interesting to hear your thoughts on that. thank you so much for that. let's move to this story. this is what caught my eye today. welsh rugby fans have not sung delilah during a six nations game, despite the song being banned from being performed at. it was a move from the london welsh male voice choir repertoire as the lyrics depict the man murdering his after she was unfaithful . proponents of was unfaithful. proponents of the claim that the words the move claim that the words glamorise violence against women , others argue it is , while others argue it is a theme that features in music plays and there is operas. so what was this decision right? was it right? let's ask christine . danny, christine. christine. danny, christine. well, they thought it wasn't just absolutely bonkers decision . i mean, if you go back through p0p . i mean, if you go back through pop lot of them glorify pop a lot of them glorify violence and goodness knows what i mean. no it's absolutely crazy. and i was delighted that the match yesterday, the welsh fans completely ignored the instructions , belted it out . instructions, belted it out. it's mental. it's where do you
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draw the line ? one of queen draw the line? one of queen songs was going against that. and yeah my trigger now he stood at what do you draw a line thank god the welsh fans have ignored woke lunacy . but really the woke lunacy. but really the welsh rugby union, whatever they are, they need to row back on their what was it that priority is one of them. it's where you draw the line. i on a situation like that it a song about violence i don't know how appropriate it is for a rugby match. i didn't know what it meant, if you know what it meant, but if you know what it is, anyone what it is? and is, anyone stand what it is? and then, you know, it was one. i understand were saying understand what they were saying then i'm not woke but i potentially we consider that one simply been singing it simply because been singing it for generations. what what about something like neil crackling rosie which is glorifying drugs? well, it depends what you're singing. it i mean, you said, singing. it i mean, as you said, most only know the couple most people only know the couple of lot of your of lines, but a lot of your singing, you're singing how singing, you're singing it how you to say like at a you like it to say like at a celebration for, something rosie want ? well, i don't know. but if want? well, i don't know. but if you're singing, it depends. you're singing. i mean, you
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don't glamorise drugs. you know something where you might as well the beatles. you well half of the beatles. you wouldn't have to wouldn't have said you have to sell the stones repertoire. sell off the stones repertoire. you play wherever like. you can play wherever you like. but actually being at a but this is actually being at a match so that's why match at the not. so that's why i'm saying probably i'm saying i would probably consider singing this consider where i'm singing this song on woke honest. you have gone below song. don't gone way below song. i don't think should stop playing think you should stop playing the song songs. the song. i like the song songs. great, it's not why ? great, but maybe it's not why? because you can't trust rugby fans. what a what? what now? because it's about murdering someone, it? but why does someone, isn't it? but why does it or not it bother or is it not appropriate as a match . well, appropriate as a match. well, it's do with other it's got to do with other musical that's irrelevant. it's got nothing do with supposing you a wedding i think you had it at a wedding i think is relevant is it got to do with what doesn't matter you can have it a wedding you've it for a wedding because you've chosen wedding. but chosen it for wedding. but this is what's is a rugby match. what's the wedding? what i think the time for supplicant something from woke using woke i think so i'm just using my we'll deal with you my sense. we'll deal with you later. a scary when my later. yes a bit scary when my partner and i discuss some of the topics that have hit their headunes the topics that have hit their headlines caught their. i'm headlines and caught their. i'm joined and author joined by broadcaster and author christine hamilton and broadcaster all
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broadcaster and danny kelly. all right, danny we'll start with you. about doggy bag? i you. what about doggy bag? i need reading glasses, dog need my reading glasses, dog goes. sorry, the doggy bag is back considered vulgar back once considered a vulgar americanism. diners in britain are increasingly taking their restaurant leftovers . okay, so restaurant leftovers. okay, so i do that all the time. well, of course. yes, of course. course. you do it all the time. of course i do. but i finish off in the taxi on the way home. if you can't eat any more at the table, particularly chinese and indians, they're to it as indians, they're used to it as long don't follow 25% long as don't follow the 25% tipping stupidity, happy tipping stupidity, i'm happy with christine, with this american. christine, your more your has got 1 degrees more about introduced to it about doggy bag introduced to it in america ago in america 30 years ago brilliant. my story is the grammy awards. i mean the wildly, wildly lavish grammy gift bags that are packed with $60,000 worth of items, including a $14,000 worth of liposuction , fat melting. this liposuction, fat melting. this is people like beyonce say. and goodness , no soon. adele, i'm goodness, no soon. adele, i'm getting all this . the getting all this. the co—designer laferrari . i mean co—designer laferrari. i mean lash fairy. the theme for year's gift bag is more is more. so
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they get a robot dog, a showerhead it owes some jewellery a boost. it's extraordinary i mean these vast enough gel like listen this is it. this is not myself. the novel that you want to hear this one, because now my software is about a ninja that could boost your sex drive for men , women your sex drive for men, women and scientists at imperial college. london gave 32 men and 32 women a hyperactive sexual desire , this desire to sort of desire, this desire to sort of treatment hormone and called kiss kiss piped in. now the findings show that kiss peptide sexual processing in mind of both women and men and brain activity in key structures . the activity in key structures. the sexual brain network was also increasing rigidity. i didn't that the rigidity . by 56% that that the rigidity. by 56% that look said when you sit next to what you next to a beauty like christine hamilton you do not assistance with your penile rigidity weight body is long time some people are eating look i think about oh dear what with
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harry losing is what not in the field people give me give me three of these injections also but i'm a woman. i don't have a that's the only problem right . that's the only problem right. so what on today's show, we've been asking don't keir been asking don't ask keir starmer. would you take us starmer. that would you take us back. and according to our twitter poll, 53% you said twitter poll, 53% of you said yes 47% said not interested yes and 47% said not interested .thank yes and 47% said not interested . thank you much to my panel, . thank you so much to my panel, author broadcaster christine author, broadcaster christine hamilton . christine, thank you hamilton. christine, thank you very to . also, john, very much to. also, john, broadcaster danny cam up for an injection ? yes. give me three. injection? yes. give me three. and thank you to at home for your company. i'll see you next week. same time . same place on week. same time. same place on snapchat for i'll leave you with the weather. enjoy your week. hello looking ahead and there will be some and at times windy weather across northern parts. but further south it's going to stay dry and brighter. but with the risk of some frost and fog by night, take a look at the bigger. and you can see this weather front waiting the weather front waiting out in the atlantic. this going to push atlantic. this is going to push the as through the next the uk as we go through the next 24 or so. at the
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24 hours or so. but at the moment we have this whacking great big area of high pressure across that's why been across us and that's why been such a settled for most . such a settled day for most. staying across much staying fine across much of england we go through england wales as we go through this some clear this evening and with some clear skies much night skies through much of the night too, cloudier picture too, but a much cloudier picture across parts of scotland and northern ireland. some blustery, gusty few spots of gusty winds, also a few spots of drizzly rain as a of the drizzly rain as a result of the cloud. it's going stay mild cloud. it's going to stay mild here, the clear skies here, but with the clear skies for wales turning cold for england, wales turning cold with four. minus five with, minus four. minus five possible. a widespread possible. so a fairly widespread frost and some freezing fog patches out for first patches to watch out for first thing monday morning through thing on monday morning through monday then a bright monday itself. then a bright start for of england. wales start for much of england. wales but thick of cloud towards but that thick of cloud towards the northwest is gradually to encroach way in so many encroach its way in so many turning cloudier, turning a little bit cloudier, but it will stay sunny but i think it will stay sunny out towards the south—east and here temperatures doing to today really of possibly ten really so highs of possibly ten celsius also could get into double figures across the far north scotland because of that southerly wind. we could see some breaks across northern scotland, but most places hit staying quite cloudy through the end of the day on monday. that
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weather mentioned weather front time mentioned earlier to push way earlier is going to push its way in. spell of more in. so a spell of more persistent rain and some strong winds reaching the far north—west as go north—west of scotland as we go through night cloud keeping through the night cloud keeping things across things mild here, but across england wales again, where england and wales again, where we the clear skies, it's we have the clear skies, it's once more likely to be a pretty chilly and frosty again. temperatures lows of temperatures getting to lows of minus four minus five perhaps and again, some freezing fog to watch we through watch out as we go through tuesday morning itself. now taking a look as we go through the rest of this. it is going to stay quite changeable times across northern parts. so some the rain to comes and it will be bit windy too, but always dry and out towards and bright out towards the south. is the south. but here there is the risk of frost and fog .
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