channel happy channel happy monday, everybody. you're with me . patrick christys on gb with me. patrick christys on gb news big one to kick start the week mystery over a missing person nurses have a day off and tory fury over illegal immigration and even a little bit on prince harry's virginity . yeah, heard serious stuff . yeah, you heard serious stuff . first, though, start the . first, though, to start the case missing dog walker, case of missing dog walker, nicola getting more nicola bailey keeps getting more and mysterious. experts and more mysterious. experts suggest she may not be in the river. the family accuse the police not doing enough and police of not doing enough and now called an now they've called an independent rescue independent underwater rescue as well cross to lancashire for the latest. and later on we will speak to heading that speak to the man heading that latest operation . also this latest dive operation. also this hour, latest dive operation. also this hour , should nurses get less hour, should nurses get less pension and more pay.7 the hour, should nurses get less pension and more pay? the health

secretary's barclay has downplayed the size of nhs strikes, despite tens of thousands of workers. but getting the biggest walkouts in this history at the picket line earlier , the general secretary earlier, the general secretary of the royal college of nursing said action will continue until the government listens to their demands . government has chosen demands. government has chosen to punish the nurses of england instead of around a table and talking me. if i pay and the same as they've done in wales and in scotland . yes, but how and in scotland. yes, but how goodis and in scotland. yes, but how good is your pension compared to . a nurses will drill down into that. . a nurses will drill down into that . also rishi sunak has been that. also rishi sunak has been accused willy waving and not really wanting to get us out of the hra. he also wants to stop channel migrants being able to appeal against the deportation . appeal against the deportation. tories say hey, at least we want to stop the boats. labour don't in touch. email me gb views on gbnews.uk. on. frankly anything. i will take all comers . but i i will take all comers. but i think on this one as well. should asylum be able to appeal deportation? should asylum seekers be able to appeal? deportation gbviews@gbnews.uk.

but now it's your. thank you, patrick. good afternoon from the gb news from its 3:01. the death toll , the devastating earthquake toll, the devastating earthquake that hit southeastern turkey early this morning has now surpassed 2000 people. the 7.8 magnitude earthquake struck an area near the border with syria leaving thousands more injured and causing widespread destruction in both . the uk has destruction in both. the uk has it will be sending aid to turkey including search and rescue specialists and rescue equipment which would arrive this evening. turkey's president erdogan described the earthquake as worst disaster to hit the country since 1939. we do not know how far the number of dead and injured will rise as debris removal works continue in many buildings in the quake zone . our buildings in the quake zone. our hopeis buildings in the quake zone. our hope is that we will recover this disaster with the least loss of life we have received calls for international aid to

our . offer of assistance from our. offer of assistance from five countries including nato . five countries including nato. and the european union. have reached us for thousands of nurses ambulance staff in england and. some in wales are striking . in what's being striking. in what's being described as the largest in the history of the nhs the royal college of nursing is beginning a two day strike in a dispute over pay. ambulance crews and call handlers will return to work tomorrow but will continue industrial action on friday. health steve barclay says a resolution to the strikes needs to come through the independent pay to come through the independent pay review body . there's been pay review body. there's been ongoing pressures on the nhs . ongoing pressures on the nhs. inflation has been higher since last year's pay review body process than was originally forecast , for example, in the forecast, for example, in the spending review 2021. and that's we've got the evidence in terms of april that we're working with the trade unions on that will reflect the inflation, those circumstances. but it should be done through the independent pay

review the process that can look at both the nhs but the at both the nhs needs, but the wider needs of the economy and the other pressures that many of your viewers are facing . your viewers are facing. general, secretary of , the royal general, secretary of, the royal college of nursing, pat cullen says the government is punishing nurses. nurses deserve need a decent pay rise that will boost the economy , damage the economy, the economy, damage the economy, because spend in their local communities . so every nhs communities. so every nhs worker, including our nurses deserve a decent rise until we are in a situation where this government has to punish the nurses of instead of getting around a table and talking to me about pay in the same way as they've done in west london, scotland . today marks the 16th scotland. today marks the 16th and final strike day for teachers in scotland who walked out in a dispute pay. but more walkouts are on the horizon as there's been no between the teaching unions. holyrood there's been no between the teaching unions . holyrood the teaching unions. holyrood the unions are demanding a 10% rise for their members. the scottish government has only offered a 5%

increase. a woman been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after four people, including three young children were found injured in huddersfield . police injured in huddersfield. police were called to an address on woeful road earlier this morning after receiving a report of concern for safety from the ambulance service. officers believe . the injuries were believe. the injuries were caused by a bladed weapon or. four people have been taken to hospital for treatment and continue to be treated for their injuries . a private underwater injuries. a private underwater rescue company are searching the river wyre for missing pulley. the specialist diving company sgi has been brought in to assist police after ms. pulley vanished over a week ago. police believe 45 year old fell in the river, but her family and friends have questioned that saying there's still no . it's saying there's still no. it's after new cctv pictures were released from the she disappeared which the mother of two loading her car before

driving her two children to school . epsom college has asked school. epsom college has asked for time and space. the school's head and family were found dead. the bodies of emma patterson, her daughter lettie and her husband george were found the prestigious boarding school in the early of sunday morning. surrey police are investigating but say they're confident it's an isolated incident with no third party involvement . the third party involvement. the princess of wales has urged schoolchildren keep talking about their feelings as she marked the start of children's health week. kate joined pupils in london's east end in raising the importance of being it's after she launched her shaping us campaign last week which raises the profile of the early years development . this is gb years development. this is gb news. i'll be back shortly. now it's back to .

it's back to. patrick yes. welcome everybody. now, look, just before we tackle a couple of the other topics i wanted, let you know that we are going to be discussing something little bit later on in this hour and throughout the show, coming up later, we will taking a up later, we will be taking a wider into the rotherham wider look into the rotherham grooming two men grooming scandal. two men charged with a series of offences , rape the offences, rape linked to the investigation . both pleaded not investigation. both pleaded not guilty at sheffield crown court and that was today. it's the latest in the national crime operation stove. wood looking into allegations of child sexual into allegations of child sexual in rotherham between 90, 97 and 2013. to date . 20 people have 2013. to date. 20 people have been convicted of offences. we'll be taking a much wider look at that whole picture frankly, right across the uk. other news outlets, they ignore it. we don't hear. and i want to let you know that we've got that coming way very, very. but coming your way very, very. but moving on for now. underwater search experts now arrived to help search for a missing of

two, nicola bulli, who vanished on a dog walk in a riverside beauty spot. police been beauty spot. police have been working theory that the working on the theory that the 45 year old fell into the river but her and friends have questioned this. they're saying there's enough evidence. the there's not enough evidence. the mystery this keeps on mystery around this keeps on doesn't we can now get very doesn't say. we can now get very latest lancashire with latest from lancashire with north—west of england. reporter. sophie reaper sophie . thank you sophie reaper sophie. thank you very, very much. this has gnpped very, very much. this has gripped the nation, frankly, because just how ridiculous the mystery , the whole thing is . mystery, the whole thing is. absolutely i think mystery is the key word here. earlier today , search team sgi joined the search for the mother of two who's now been missing . friday, who's now been missing. friday, the 27th of january. so this is 10th day of searching . sgi say 10th day of searching. sgi say that the sonar equipment that they've brought them is the best in the world. and in fact, earlier today found of sgi pizza folding , they told the media folding, they told the media that if they haven't found nicola in the next 3 to 4 days.

then he's confident that she's not in the stretch of water that they've been tracking. here's what else he had to say. well, we've been tasked by lancashire police. we're working closely with them. so we're to be coming down from the west and we're going down towards estuary. there's a fair stretch of river and be looking at the bottom is deepin and be looking at the bottom is deep in places. shallow in places. i believe think that she's in here and obviously that's where the evidence is actually pointing. yes. at moment the police are doing a great job. it's a big task for police to do. this is a particular long stretch of river to search . and we just bring to search. and we just bring that back up resource to work closely with them at this instant as well. a little bit earlier on today, i was speaking with another member of the sgi team who told me that the team on board the boats will be carrying on today as long as they can until in fact, they're physically unable to choose to do so, whether they out of lights or they run out of fuel

or simply no longer safe to do that. i explained a little bit about how the sonar system itself works. so there's someone aboard the boats who's observing live feed of what the sonar is picking up. and if they do find something and if they pick up what they called a hit, then they're able to deploy divers, for instance , to see exactly for instance, to see exactly what they may have found. now, it's quite large stretch that they've got to track from where i am today , the way down to the i am today, the way down to the end of the river where it meets the irish in fleetwood. so there's a lot to check, but sgi and lancashire police say they will not continue to work together to look for signs of the missing mother of two here in st michaels on wyre. so if you thank you very much as ever. sophie reaper that our northwest of england reports bringing you the latest the scene in the the latest from the scene in the search for nicola bailey . lots search for nicola bailey. lots of speculation, some of it, of course. unpalatable doing the rounds at the moment. we did

speak to somebody here over weekend, actually. i shall call paul fielding , a forensic paul fielding, a forensic expert. he was really serious questions in his mind. anyway about whether or not he felt that nicola indeed in the river, the family themselves been questioning police questioning the police operation. been saying that that doesn't to too be much doesn't appear to too be much evidence to support the fact that she in the river mystery that she is in the river mystery is surrounding particular is surrounding this particular case. and me now is case. and joining me now is retired scotland. detective retired of scotland. detective inspector mba. hamish inspector is hamish mba. hamish thank you very much. the question this case really , is question this case really, is she in the river or not? your view ? yeah. good afternoon, view? yeah. good afternoon, patrick. well, i'm aware from media reports and indeed was written to yesterday by a retired police officer who raised of concern that how have the lancashire police jumped in a bit too quickly with that sort of sweeping statement. but it's a theory, not a puzzle . it's a theory, not a puzzle. it's like that. i think that's got to be emphasised. i do understand

that despite the cause that the full facts that so the police can only deal with what they've got , whether they should have got, whether they should have said she slipped as opposed to post will we just don't know . post will we just don't know. well, i am pleased hear is the soldier equipment is coming in. i'm also incidentally for the organised team. so new equipment to say the good job of the police date. so i think overall they are and they're going to find themselves under scrutiny . find themselves under scrutiny. it's not very nice. i can tell you, because i was watching every move you do , but that's every move you do, but that's how it goes with the high investigation like this . so investigation like this. so we'll have to see what comes from that. i know the family don't want a results . the river don't want a results. the river and i can understand that and no i'm wants to come to terms of something really nasty as happen to the i don't know the inevitable but something nasty anyway. so please an open mind

if you want . and that's going to if you want. and that's going to be the police as well because they'll be looking for other evidence if it comes light not tittle tattle as you correctly mentioned . some things have been mentioned. some things have been raised which are wholly inappropriate he's not that is not going to help the police and above all the lovely and indeed the friends of nicola. exactly yes, this is going to destroy them. even just just just very quickly, hamish, on this one. now people are saying, well, the police had already said they unprecedented resources. the river, with all due respect it's not a particularly fast flowing river through the middle of the amazon is it is a relatively normal river. the police have already used sonar that was announced by them. do you think it is looking increasingly that she might not be in there , in she might not be in there, in your view? well, my view is has got to face this is a negative result here . and the police are

result here. and the police are still believes that she went into the river. then we've got to that. regrettably be further failed within river. but i can emphasise that are still avenues to investigate to go so the police must an open mind. hi mr. really appreciate your insight. thank you very much. that is retired now. scotland yard detective inspector hamish brown, mba now, today marks the biggest day of strike action in the 75 year history of the nhs as and ambulance staff take the picket lines in their fields. i don't about you, ladies and gentlemen, but good grief. i mean, it's yet another record day, so a lot more day, so there'll a lot more we're dealing with in the channel we're dealing with in the channel, every single channel, isn't it? every single week is another record day, so it loses emphasis. but here it of loses emphasis. but here we yes again ongoing we go again is yes again ongoing dispute pay and conditions. dispute over pay and conditions. health steve barclay health secretary steve barclay that government wants to that the government wants to work the unions, but the work with the unions, but the royal college of nursing president pat cullen says her nurses continue to walk out nurses will continue to walk out until a reasonable is put on

table. listen to this. but they will continue to do this for as long as it takes for this government to actually wake up and listen to their voice and listen to their voice on behalf of patients and do that thing. otherwise we will continue to drain nurses out of out of the profession. we will see those 7000 vacancies continue to rise . we will see nurses leaving england to work in scotland and wales because they can get a few extra points every to be able to pay extra points every to be able to pay their bills . that is no way pay their bills. that is no way to treat the nurses. england in factit to treat the nurses. england in fact it is totally punishing the nurses of as we speak. but actually what is fascinating is that you do not hear any union saying what i'm about to say right now, which is. yes, absolutely . in right now, which is. yes, absolutely. in real right now, which is. yes, absolutely . in real terms, absolutely. in real terms, nurses, salaries , everything are nurses, salaries, everything are not particularly great. we all know that. and i think the vast majority of people would be up for some form of pay for some form of nurses. pay rise, however, is the staring us in the and while fantastic in the face. and while fantastic article in the spectator today by annabel dunham which says a nurse a headline wage of

nurse on a headline wage of £35,000 a year, so not a huge average wage , £35,000 a year, average wage, £35,000 a year, actually receives a total package equivalent to almost £62,000 a year. when you factor the pension. so it not make sense to come to some kind of arrangement where people have a smaller pension and more up front wages, especially the younger who frankly apparently according to anyway don't care too much about what's in their pension pot and if we were to give in as well to various different pay demands apparently it cost us aroun d £2.6 it would cost us around £26 trillion, which is the size of our economy so that is that isn't all also what's going on reports jeff moody joins me now from a picket line at north devon district hospital in barnstaple. it is rocking barnstaple. geoff it is rocking why are . it is indeed of why you are. it is indeed of course every time a car goes past it takes the whole everybody starts chanting and cheering . so is a, you know, cheering. so is a, you know, a very great but constructive atmosphere down here. what i want to speak to stephanie, who is a nurse here in north devon .

is a nurse here in north devon. stephanie, your mum was admitted to hospital here this morning, wasn't she. how she doing . yeah wasn't she. how she doing. yeah she was, she was brought in by ambulance. so i fully support the ambulance workers . yes. and the ambulance workers. yes. and yeah she's, she's all right, she's been in and through an enormous award and you're out here. i am. because i feel it's really important to stand up for all the nursing staff, all really important to stand up for all the nursing staff , all the all the nursing staff, all the staff in the hospital, really , staff in the hospital, really, we can't we can't keep sustaining this kind of pressure every day coming short staffed nurses need to feel valued and supported . and it's about more supported. and it's about more than pay. it's about saving our nhs when you heard this morning that your mum had taken pauline was being taken to , were you was being taken to, were you concerned about how she was going to get to hospital, whether she was going be looked after properly when she got there. i'm well aware of the that have been happening because of strike she's still in of the strike but she's still in a have a lot of a safe place have a lot of respect for the people that will be looking after today. okay. now, rosie, you're from an organisation, save a hospital

services, aren't you are you concerned about the fact that when there's strike, when there's a teacher strike, people might lose a day's education when there's a train strike, commuting to work might be tricky. but when there's a strike this it's people's lives that are being affected isn't it. well it's , very interesting it. well it's, very interesting that you asked me that question because i was on this picket line at the last time. there was a i think it was last week or the week before. and one of the organisers of the strike came out and told me that someone of the staff inside had told her, gosh this is amazing, we've got more staff on duty today than we have normally because . it had have normally because. it had been so well organised that something called derogation is means the sort of allocation of staff to different places had been so well organised that

normally there are staff of sick or you know there just aren't enough of them and this time they did so well organised. there were , you know, really there were, you know, really good numbers there. better, better than and i think sort of beues better than and i think sort of belies what the government are telling us about, how they need to change the law to make it impossible for strikes to affect pubuc impossible for strikes to affect public life , public safety, public life, public safety, because , you know, we're it i because, you know, we're it i mean, the nurses doing it, you know, they they know how to do it and. so, so, so it's fair to say that in your opinion , there say that in your opinion, there is as good a service as any inside there today the normally i can i can i just briefly go back you stephanie to talk about pay- back you stephanie to talk about pay. yeah when you include the pension that you guys get. yeah pay pension that you guys get. yeah pay anywhere near as bad as it first looks is it . when i went

first looks is it. when i went up my pay first looks is it. when i went up my pay went up by pence an hour so i'm taking on more responsibility and but the pay doesn't reflect the amount of responsibility that a nurse has every day . if you compare us to every day. if you compare us to other services too, like the police service pay is nothing like that and we've we've been under sustained pressure really since covered there's been no letup in it . since covered there's been no letup in it. it's since covered there's been no letup in it . it's not attractive letup in it. it's not attractive to people to stay in the occupation it's not attractive to people who have to go through a bursary system. they start off, they've got a degree they're in debt. they've got , they're in debt. they've got, you know, low, low wage and comparatively, you can get as much cleaning a caravan as can as a newly qualified band. five. okay, thank you very much, stephanie. i really hope that your mum well today and the your mum does well today and the strikes continue for the nhs tomorrow . and then another tomorrow. and then another ambulance strike on friday. yes to look forward to. thank you very much jeff moody there

outside hospital , of course, outside hospital, of course, infuriating some of its deep sympathy for anyone who feels as though they're of course overworked and underpaid . don't overworked and underpaid. don't get me wrong and i want to emphasise again that clearly i think majority of think the vast majority of people some form of pay people support some form of pay rise, possibly across rise, quite possibly across pubuc rise, quite possibly across public sector, a sliding scale . public sector, a sliding scale. just want to say there was a lady there is own mum was in hospital and she's i'm not sure i could personally do that. i don't know about you. maybe that does strength of does show the strength of feeling. that shows the feeling. maybe that shows the strength feeling. can't strength of feeling. i can't help whether or not help but wonder whether or not she the she slightly swerved the question did remove she slightly swerved the ques gold did remove she slightly swerved the ques gold plated did remove she slightly swerved the ques gold plated pension�*move she slightly swerved the ques gold plated pension or)ve she slightly swerved the ques gold plated pension or put your gold plated pension or put some towards your some of that towards your upfront there actually upfront pay. there actually would be a much better financial situation, now is situation, but joining me now is an gp, anastasia, dr. raj an nhs gp, anastasia, dr. raj arora. thank you very arora. dr. ross, thank you very much joining. stuff. much for joining. great stuff. so is , of course, the so yesterday is, of course, the well, i mean, to date, it's the biggest nurses strike. no doubt they'll another one week they'll another one next week and even bigger. so and it'll be even bigger. so after after after record after record, i can't help feel as though can't help but feel as though the elephant in the room is not being which is being addressed, which is a nurse's headline. pay is

nurse's average headline. pay is around 35 grand a year, but if you factor in the pension, it's aroun d £62,000. is the obviously around £62,000. is the obviously shown not to take money out of the pension pot and give up some more up front, pay ? well, more up front, pay? well, actually, i think it's really to talk about what the pension is and what the pay is. but what we need to really address clearly is that the pension not going to pay is that the pension not going to pay the bills right now. right so i think that's i think what's lost the confidence in the government to even have this discussions really with the nhs staff and its nursing staff , staff and its nursing staff, ambulance staff, junior doctors . the conversation needs to happen. . the conversation needs to happen . understaffed, happen. understaffed, chronically underpaid, all that for conditions. there's only so much more than just before. the motivation isn't any lower . it motivation isn't any lower. it is now. it's i think i think one of the leading approaches in politics for it's always been that feeling of being undervalued . but i think if well

undervalued. but i think if well it would literally their value they wouldn't say and that's point it would literally increase our upfront wage you say, and that would presumably with recruitment and retention because you'd be able say . because you'd be able to say. well, go. here is well, here you go. here is a higher wage upfront and frankly the pension at the is around 24, which is way higher than you would get in the private sector if you took some of that. you still have a good but you'd have higher pay up front. do you think the unions would go for that? well, what i think should is that should be a conversation. firstly i think staff this is staff should be valued. this is things over a decade. if things i hope over a decade. if you at pay, for you look at doctor pay, for example, declined 26% in example, it's declined 26% in real value since 2008, which obviously and you can obviously is awful and you can pile up to private sector pay for about private and for talking about private and pubuc for talking about private and public you that i haven't public. you know that i haven't seen kind of decline the seen that kind of decline in the private sector, whether they move to salary, we move pensions over to salary, we do not. the point is not that point is valuing the staff how the discussion affecting them to

be part of the end of staff undercover shift stop is clearly when there's a strike and be able to fill this gap you know suddenly you door to hospital but on a normal day to day shift there isn't a staff that isn't enough motivation . that isn't enough motivation. that isn't enough. yes support is not all about financial support. clinicians i know that because i worked in department virginia doctor . that's what i was doctor. that's what i was thinking . i doctor. that's what i was thinking. i pay my doctor. that's what i was thinking . i pay my pension. i thinking. i pay my pension. i thinking. i pay my pension. i think about what is shift. i'm sitting in where there's no support. i've a patient safety and health system . i do and health system. i do understand that. when you say a lot about being undervalued or nurses being undervalued , i can nurses being undervalued, i can understand that when it comes to upfront pay and as i've said i think most people would a bit of a pay think most people would a bit of a pay rise and think most people frankly would support taking some money out of the pension pot and giving it to their front pay- pot and giving it to their front pay. can i just say, do you still undervalued when you hear

these figures, one official estimate is that the cost of future pension liabilities increase . by future pension liabilities increase. b y £70 billion in 2020 increase. by £70 billion in 2020 122 alone. that's for the taxpayer , right? so basically taxpayer, right? so basically for nothing more than pension liabilities , public sector liabilities, public sector workers is now heads to point £6 trillion, which is equivalent to the size of entire british economy. that is not a country that undervalues public workers, is it ? well, i think you mention is it? well, i think you mention any country who i would like to say in response to that is, again , the pension doesn't come again, the pension doesn't come to retire. it's not going to pay your bills. so you're if your bills. so if you're if you're also suggesting that money should be paid, it still requires sit down discussion. that still happens right now. just shows how undervalued nhs we shouldn't have to sit on the picket line to be honest. know health care, nhs staff never once sit on a picket line or strike. we want to be out there without doing our job because.

that's not possible because seconds on a dire agency crisis is definitely a tipping point. okay look, dr. ross, thank you very, very much much. appreciate you coming on the show and having chat. don't see some having that chat. don't see some of questions well. that of those questions as well. that is gp assess it. dr. is an nhs, gp and assess it. dr. raj arora that right. you're with me patrick christys on gb news minds up about news your own minds up about that. news your own minds up about that . basically, ladies news your own minds up about that. basically, ladies and gentlemen, views coming gentlemen, get your views coming in vaiews@gbnews.uk up, in vaiews@gbnews.uk coming up, we speaking a lawyer we will be speaking to a lawyer specialising crimes. specialising in sexual crimes. and the reason is that we're talking about something i'll speak about earlier on opera stove wood, which is the investigation allegations stove wood, which is the imchild ation allegations stove wood, which is the imchild sexual allegations stove wood, which is the imchild sexual abuse�*gations stove wood, which is the imchild sexual abuse intions of child sexual abuse in rotherham . over 1300 crimes have rotherham. over 1300 crimes have now been recorded and we've got a bit of an update for you. the other news news outlets, they ignore it. we don't right here on gb news. i'll be back in a tick with all of that here on gb news live. we'll be keeping you in the picture, finding out what's across the what's happening across the country finding why country and finding out why it matters we'll have the matters to you. we'll have the facts with our team of facts fast with our team of reporters and specialist corus bonds. wherever it's happening, we'll noon on tv

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channel hello. afternoon. i'm tamsin roberts in the gb news room. it's 330. here's latest. the death toll from an earthquake that hit southeastern turkey early this morning has now 2000 people. the 7.8 magnitude earthquake , an area near the earthquake, an area near the border with syria leaving thousands more injured and causing widespread destruction in both countries. the uk has said it will be sending aid to . said it will be sending aid to. turkey, including search and rescue specialists and rescue equipment which will arrive this evening . turkey's president evening. turkey's president erdogan described the earthquake as worst disaster to hit the country since 1939 . the nhs is

country since 1939. the nhs is facing huge disruption today as tens thousands of nurses and ambulance staff in england go on strike in the biggest walk out of the service's history, the royal college of nursing is beginning a two day strike in a dispute over pay ambulance crews and cool handlers will return to work tomorrow but will continue industrial on friday. health secretary steve barclay says a resolute to the strikes needs to come through the independent pay review body . there's been review body. there's been ongoing pressures on the nhs inflation has been higher since last year's pay review body process than was originally forecast . for example, in the forecast. for example, in the spending review 2021. and that's we've got the evidence in terms of this that we're working with the trade on that will reflect the trade on that will reflect the inflation reflect those circumstances. but it should be done through the independent pay review process that can look at both what the nhs needs , but both what the nhs needs, but also wider needs of the

also the wider needs of the economy and the other pressures that if viewers are that many of, if viewers are facing . that underwater company facing. that underwater company have begun their search . nicola have begun their search. nicola boli especially diving sgi have been brought to assist police in searching the river wyre after it's vanished over a week ago . it's vanished over a week ago. police believe the 45 year old fell in the river, but her family and friends have questioned that, saying there's still no evidence it's after new cctv pictures were released from the day she disappeared which showed the mother of two loading her car before driving her two children to school . epsom children to school. epsom college has for time and space after the school's head and family were found dead, the bodies of emma pattinson, her daughter lexi and husband george were at the prestigious boarding school the early hours of sunday morning. police are investigating , but say they're investigating, but say they're confident it's an incident with no party involvement . tv online

no party involvement. tv online and abbey frost radio. this is . and abbey frost radio. this is. gb news. okay, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. i know this topic is massive. one for a lot of you, asindeed massive. one for a lot of you, as indeed should be. and i will keep emphasising. you don't hear enough it on other news enough about it on other news outlets, well do outlets, so we might as well do the job for them. two men charged series of charged with a series of offences including linked offences including rape linked an child an investigation into child abuse in have both pleaded not at sheffield crown court today it's the latest in the national crime agency operation stove wood looking allegations of child abuse rotherham child sexual abuse rotherham between 1997 and 2013 to date. 1367 crimes have been recorded. 209 people arrested and. 20 people have been convicted of offences with the nca, arguing

thatis offences with the nca, arguing that is set to rise. let's speak to allan collins, who is a in the sex abuse team at hugh james, solicitor. alan, thank you very, very much. operation stove wood i think our viewers know listeners probably myself well, could do with a little bit of a refresher in exactly what this is . well, it's a police this is. well, it's a police investigation into allegation of child abuse in rotherham. the allegation of child abuse, stem way back to the late 1990s, if i remember , and as a result of remember, and as a result of into what was taking place in rotherham . and as you've said in rotherham. and as you've said in your opening there's been a series of investigate issues, criminal investigations, results in a number of convictions . oh, in a number of convictions. oh, yes, indeed. and i'm going to talk very shortly . it's charlie talk very shortly. it's charlie peters who's alongside at the minute to get the bigger picture , the grooming gang scandal, this ripping across britain , this ripping across britain, possibly as we speak, because i

strongly believe that there are cases still ongoing right throughout the country . but this throughout the country. but this is a big investigation as. throughout the country. but this is a big investigation as . well, is a big investigation as. well, isn't it? do you believe that things are actually moving in the right direction. is there any kind of deterrent at the moment taking place? because clearly wasn't for a good number of years? well, they think there's been an inquiry into what took place in. rotherham and one of the findings of the inquiry was that there was an underestimate of the extent of sexual abuse and. i think the powers that be whether it be the police or social services certainly underestimated the extent and perhaps fault wrongly. but child abuse was on the decline . it isn't and we the decline. it isn't and we know that we like it or not child abuse remains with us and with all changes in online technology . so on the manner in technology. so on the manner in children and young people are

access for abuse evoke . and it access for abuse evoke. and it is very much matter of trying to keep up with all the changes in society and the changes that are brought in society by changes in technology , so on. so it is a technology, so on. so it is a very big picture and we probe really still don't fully understand the extent of child abuse that we have come to line and so on again, which is a in many ways of what is actually happening on the ground. indeed, some of these are utterly stark. i'm just going to reiterate them. so to date, 1367 crimes have been recorded as part of this operation. essentially a grooming operation, 209 people arrested and 20 people have been convicted of offences, people scratching their heads right across the country wondering things so widespread, such as this could not have been stopped sooner.| this could not have been stopped sooner. i think you alluded to it potentially an underestimation of the extent it. yes, some people have argued a lack of well, a maybe because

a lack of well, a maybe because a lot of the victims happened to be girls from very backgrounds, shall we say, in children's homes, etc, maybe with some other issues , but also as well other issues, but also as well in some cases . other issues, but also as well in some cases. in some other issues, but also as well in some cases . in some cases in some cases. in some cases because of the of the perpetrators . your views , perpetrators. your views, whether all that is identified in the investigation place into rotherham. so there was let's put it this way, mr. attitudes towards victims and children because , they came perhaps from because, they came perhaps from a particular demographic. there was an unwillingness to accept the extent of the problem . there the extent of the problem. there was fears they the powers that be, the police , social services be, the police, social services would get into trouble for labelling , let's put it that labelling, let's put it that way, because because what was identified that a large of the perpetrators came from the community and was a great sensitivity about that and maybe

the sensitivity was misplaced. but i think what we now understand is you can't dodge the issues . you've got to be the issues. you've got to be objective and you've got to accept when . you're looking at accept when. you're looking at these very unpleasant, difficult issues. you can't you can't prejudge and you can't ring fence. you've got to be objective. and i think was the big message that has come of . big message that has come of. you've got to have the right attitude you will have the right ethos. and also, you've got to be prepared to look into issues for a very and unpleasant. exactly. and of course, the answer to that would be if the crimes weren't taking place in the first place, then the police wouldn't have to look them. alan, thank very, very much. alan, thank you very, very much. great think, this great insight, i think, on this as collins, who's as eileen collins, who's a lawyer who is dealing with a former partner in the sex abuse team at hugh james solicitors. i'm it's gb i'm going to go now. it's gb news documentary filmmaker charlie charlie, charlie peters. now, charlie, it's as well. it's worth referencing as well. there an ongoing at the

there is an ongoing case at the minute. want to into minute. don't want to get into the that legal the specifics of that legal reasons. but we will be reasons. okay. but we will be keeping you up to date with the facts it. there is a much facts of it. there is a much bigger picture here. alan alluded i'm right up alluded to it that i'm right up down there down across the country. there have cases where and this have been cases where and this is in my view, the police have a straight choice between, tackling uncomfortable tackling some uncomfortable issues around british man and grooming not the only perpetrators , but unfortunately perpetrators, but unfortunately the demographics do suggest that thatis the demographics do suggest that that is something that is a massive versus dealing with stopping crimes against vulnerable young working class white girls and too all often they have chosen to, frankly not take the side of the vulnerable working class white girls. unfortunately that analysis seems spot on now. the have today described this case and this ongoing investigation as an important milestone in operations david. and it is because moments like this where people have been charged a very right now wood is looking back into rotherham from 97 to 2013. these allegations are from 2011

to 2012 and they've pled not guilty. it's pled not guilty. but the first time that we had a actual conviction from south yorkshire police, interpol durham during the grooming gang scandal actually 2010 to 13 years into the height of the that was when we actually only had our first convictions more came in 2015 after the case reports review into rotherham council by the government found widespread cover ups failures by the local council and operation linden, released last year, reviewed. the police also found multiple failures by several dozens serving officers at the time. so we're playing catch up here, disinvested nation like all of the other nca investigations into stove wood are up on time. that was missed over a decade ago. sometimes too decades ago by local police forces . so more to be done. forces. so more to be done. absolutely. and again , want for absolutely. and again, want for the sake of being blind in the obvious to everybody, is watching or listening to this this particular case, people have guilty. and we'll have pled not guilty. and we'll just to wait see just have to wait and see exactly happens. we exactly what happens. and we don't to pass comment

don't want to pass comment what's anything with what's on anything to do with that. the picture that. but the bigger picture nationally something that you're going to be bringing our going to be bringing to our viewers listeners viewers and our listeners shortly, you in a shortly, aren't you in a documentary about again. that's right. this saturday at 8 pm. on gb news grooming gangs britain's shame our first gb news investigates film will be released this 18 months in the making. lots of investigation many lots of scoops many exclusives, lots of scoops looking into this issue, both in rotherham but also in telford and rochdale . up to 50 different and rochdale. up to 50 different towns and cities across the and as you said at the beginning of, the is a national the segment, this is a national issue we've looked issue all too often we've looked at as a sort oh, kind of at it as a sort oh, kind of former industrial victorian towns in the north of. that's where happens. no, it's where it happens. no, it's happened and the length and the breadth country, it's breadth of country, it's our effort to finally turn some national towards that issue. well, most of your must be started credit where credit is . started credit where credit is. i this is a topic that i think this is a topic that should be raised a lot more . should be raised a lot more. it's easy to bury your heads in the sand and ignore the issue and think it goes away. but i can tell you right now, as you're acutely aware for the

young teenage girls who are being systematically raped and abused in an industrial, being systematically raped and abused in an industrial , the abused in an industrial, the issue certainly does not go as. there you go, charlie. thank you very much. the pictures, the gb news film filmmaker. news document, film filmmaker. yes strong stuff that i suggest, but. right. well, moving on that now and very much a change. another serious that another serious story that they had private at some had a private school at some college found dead college has been found dead alongside husband , her seven college has been found dead alongolde husband , her seven college has been found dead alongold daughter.»and , her seven college has been found dead alongold daughter. police ier seven college has been found dead alongold daughter. police say;even year old daughter. police say bodies emma pattinson, her bodies of emma pattinson, her husband her daughter, lettie husband and her daughter, lettie were found at the private boarding school in the early hours of sunday morning . surrey hours of sunday morning. surrey police confident police say they are confident the is isolated the tragedy is an isolated incident there is third incident and there is third party involvement . let's cross party involvement. let's cross now to our national reporter paul hawkins, who has more on this really terrifying incident . yeah, it truly is. and the words that you keep as the tributes are paid , the victims tributes are paid, the victims that this shocking it's horrific . and the message from epsom college today is that they're coming together the school

community to try and what has happened now. this is a 170 year olds independ and private school is that i mean 50 people 60% of which are day pupils % are which are day pupils% are boarders . a 72 acre site, big boarders. a 72 acre site, big with multiple entrances and exits. we've seen police vehicles coming and throughout the day there are still forensics on site continuing their investigation. so this is a emma pattison, 45 year old emma pattison, the first female head of the school. she's only been here for five months. before that she at croydon high school for six years. both she and her 4039 year old husband george and their seven year old daughter lettie found in the early hours of their morning by, the ambulance service, who then called and an called the police and an investigation is now underway. and you patrick surrey, and as you say, patrick surrey, police very clear they police are very clear that they consider this an isolated incident with no third party involvement . now, there have involvement. now, there have been one report in the telegraph

today quoting an eyewitness, a man saying that the rifle range next to the property where they were found was cordoned off . were found was cordoned off. i've spoken to surrey police. they that that is just possibly standard operating procedure when it comes to cordoning off a crime scene in the range itself is not part of the crime scene. so when dealing with facts we can say that is not part the crime scene just part of the wider police cordon that would be put in place anyway. so the investigation continues and the tributes to pour in the tributes continue to pour in the school has appointed paul williams as headmaster , the williams as headmaster, the chair of the board of governors, dr. alistair wells, describing emma pattison as a wonderful teacher. but most of all a delightful person enriched the lives of many pupils and throughout her distinguished career and then her previous school, croydon high school , school, croydon high school, calling her a warm, energetic , calling her a warm, energetic, generous and insightful colleague . and friends say the colleague. and friends say the school just to begin that long, that long, sometimes never ending process of grief and

processing. what has happened while the police investigation continue ? and we're expecting an continue? and we're expecting an update from surrey police today or tomorrow . oh, thank you very, or tomorrow. oh, thank you very, very much. national reports that paul hawkins , the scene epsom paul hawkins, the scene epsom college right with me in patrick christys on gb news. coming up the uk schultz is serving minister liz truss. remember her offer the lettuce anyway instead to give another interview about her time office and that's within the next few hours might be going to that level up to wait this weekend wait and see. this weekend though a fourth thousand word essay like dissertation essay it's like a dissertation wasn't it in the telegraph she said that she was never given a realistic chance start her tax cutting agenda . it's interesting cutting agenda. it's interesting because in a that she wasn't because in a way that she wasn't made some quite spurious allegations you could say about the that may be in our the forces that may be in our economic sphere is any comeback for liz truss . and yes, that's i for liz truss. and yes, that's i am going to be talking about prince harry's virginity. i'll be back in a moment.

all right, ladies and gentlemen, loads talk about between now and the end of the hour starting with a court has heard the former met police officer on serial david carrick told one of his victims that he was a police officer and the safest person she be with before luring her to his home and raping her at gunpoint at the sentencing. so that crown court today comes after carrick last admitted to 49 charges, including rape , 49 charges, including rape, sexual assault, false imprisonment and coercive or controlling behaviour prosecutor tom little casey . the case falls tom little casey. the case falls short of meriting a life sentence, but he told the judge the case should mean a discretionary life sentence with a fixed minimum . former chief a fixed minimum. former chief superintendent at the palm sunday joint me now palm you very much for joining sunday joint me now palm you very much forjoining us. the

absolutely horrific and horrendous yet again does nothing for the reputation of . nothing for the reputation of. the man. does it? it's a it's a sad day for policing and particularly for the met police itself , because this man was itself, because this man was allowed to get away with it for so many years. it's almost 20 years. and there were a number of missed opportunities. he could have been stopped. so the number of victims would have been less. so it's a really sad day for policing because this man was a who happened to have a police uniform and a warrant, which he then used to control victims and to revictimize those individuals , which is an awful individuals, which is an awful place to be. i the fact is that mark, the head of the met, said that we're expecting something like two or three police officers in court every week. admittedly not for the extent horrific, horrendous like horrific, horrendous crimes like this but the vetting procedure has been wrong. i know they're . has been wrong. i know they're. going to tighten it up. you might absolutely pour cold water

over what i'm about to say right now and potentially with good reason, but could not maybe have a everything google a thing where everything google recruit to take a detector recruit has to take a detector test on a variety of different. right the start i know they don't flawless lie don't they're not flawless lie detector test but it might be a good of at sorting out good way of at least sorting out some who are wronged. some people who are wronged. patrick we start, go. patrick before we start, go. there's a lie detector test and that money and how reliable they are. why not just vet these people? why not just have . like, people? why not just have. like, in the old days, i used to have a home visit . they used take a home visit. they used to take references places references from people, places where before . but where you'd worked before. but what's over a number what's happened is over a number years, vetting procedure years, that vetting procedure changed to almost a tick box exercise. so you don't have to actually go to those extremes of lie detector tests. you just need to vet people and then once they ring, you need to revisit every four years, five years. but do it properly and make sure that the people are in there and that the people are in there and that the people remain in there because there's a report which is out in november, which is

from the police and even in that it said it said it was too easy for corrupt officers to join the police , then to remain in the police, then to remain in the police, then to remain in the police because of this lack of vetting . look, thank you very vetting. look, thank you very much pat schulz and sweet dot but important for us to cover. great to have you on to discuss the parm sandhu that is former chief superintendent at the met. i'm wondering i get what she's saying by the way be nice if they would just vet it to begin with isn't it. but i'd say might also be nice to do some form of lie detector test as well, just to try to weed out some people who might be able navigate who might be able to navigate the hate that the vetting process. hate that we right. moving from we go right. moving on from that. now, royal sasha that. now, in royal sasha walpole that she is walpole has revealed that she is the in prince harry's the mystery in prince harry's memoir, i'll spare who took his virginity mean it makes it virginity i mean it makes it sound like she stole it doesn't the dad harry was quite the dad say harry was quite a willing participant all of this. and remember, he went and as you'll remember, he went the sordid details the old sordid details when writing sexual writing about his first sexual encounter. describe with the location. a grassy, grassy field behind pub, and how she even

behind a pub, and how she even his having his bum afterwards, having treated him like a young stallion well, she was technically unidentified . but in technically unidentified. but in the book she told the daily mail about the mr. walpole basically said as well that she had to sit her father down and say to him , her father down and say to him, dad, i am the woman who took prince harry's virginia . say yes prince harry's virginia. say yes again. an example of prince not seeming to really care about the collateral damage from his rather revealing this case. far too revealing book spat. joining us now is former royal correspondent at the sun, charles wright . charlie, you charles wright. charlie, you will know better than anyone that the second that the ink was dry on that piece of paper fleet street or wherever they were all based, now what desperate, who is who is? harry's virginity go. i mean, anyway they went and got it. so she's out to come out and talk it. embarrassing for the poor lady. well as soon harry poor lady. well as soon as harry wrote one paragraph in a book about the sexual encounter. yes, the one was on to find the what he described as older woman who

took his virginity. i'm slightly disappointed . that doesn't turn disappointed. that doesn't turn out to be a mrs. robinson types style cottage from the graduate, but in actual is someone who's well within his age group and someone who is a couple of years younger than his own wife. it's quite amazing. and you mentioned mentioned about, you know, she's had to come out of the woodwork. well you know, patrick she's not she has come out of the woodwork an absolutely great right. but i'm sure that she's now a very very wealthy young woman because you've got the sun and the mail who did a joint buy up. now when papers not do joint buyout it means that there was a not for a longer and it over for this the story which covered the weekend and today something like 25 pages. yes indeed. absolutely and i feel sorry for it. yes. she's come and spoken out. and i suppose this is the only

elements of control that she could have had over situation because people were going to anyway. she said, i am the woman who virginity, it who took harry's virginity, it was literally wham bam between , was literally wham bam between, two friends. won't go into two friends. i won't go into some other details that she said there, but apparently was there, but yes, apparently was not necessarily the longest lasting encounter, as one can imagine, but it just. yes. another example of prince not particularly caring about who he affects she's gone on to say she just needs a quiet life and now all of a sudden she will go down in history as the woman got a bit naughty harry beyond the pub. yeah let's not forget that she this secret for 21 she has kept this secret for 21 years. very few people knew about this . and more about this. and more importantly, after the wham bam. thank you, ma'am. night you know, harry did contact her, didn't text , didn't phone, didn't text, didn't phone, didn't text, didn't phone, didn't write a letter, nothing. he hasn't to this girl for 21 years now i think slash 12 paul has come over as , you know, a has come over as, you know, a thoroughly decent lady , to be thoroughly decent lady, to be quite honest and has and as and has come out of this very, very

well chosen for a for a man in the shape of prince harry claims to be so kind and caring and loving and, warm. he didn't particularly seem to mind about the increase threat from the taliban sympathiser in the wake of his comments. he certainly for a chap i daresay is himself a women's rights campaigner. absolutely did not care . the absolutely did not care. the rights of this woman should not be insulted and be l.z. and i would argue as well see them being well insulted , frankly, being well insulted, frankly, about the intimate details . her about the intimate details. her now distant sex. it's an absolute shock if you i had done it we'd be would be we'd be drawn and quartered publicly. what do we. yeah, we would. and yet . right. what do we. yeah, we would. and yet. right. and what do we. yeah, we would. and yet . right. and everything yet. right. and everything whether harry clearly doesn't care about anything or anybody apart from his little nuclear outfit in montecito . and he's outfit in montecito. and he's quite happy as we've in spain. and the documentary and

everything else. he's quite happy. everything else. he's quite happy . use everything else. he's quite happy. use the everything else. he's quite happy . use the scattergun happy. use the scattergun approach and you know hits out at various people it would be a lot easier for him to say it without giving any, any . he without giving any, any. he didn't give that much detail. in any case. he obviously gave enough detail for, you know, newspapers to go looking for the girl. and this is this is the thing he wanted. why? why, why? we have to know so much about harry private parts in spare. i mean, it's not just this one, but there was two other mentions of you know frostbitten penises and all this stuff. i mean, it's just radical unless the whole thing is just ridiculous. many naughty of them altogether . naughty of them altogether. absolutely. i mean, yes . naughty of them altogether. absolutely. i mean, yes. it naughty of them altogether. absolutely. i mean, yes . it is absolutely. i mean, yes. it is also worth noting, as you've rightly said, harry did make it sound like it's some kind of mrs. robinson situation. he said, oh, this woman, she was much more experienced than i much more experienced than me. i think insulting, think it's also quite insulting, says i be perfectly honest with you. yes . there you. yes, yes. there is something and 40 years old. make meghan markle 41 i mean, good

grief. what does he think about his own his own wife. but was come as as i say she is she is than his own wife for time. i mean, does he think she's an older woman ? well, he obviously older woman? well, he obviously he obviously does. but look, charles, thank you very much. charlie wright, the wonderful man himself overall correspondent at the sun. just time for one quick email. lastly, be getting in touch on your thoughts on the nurses and paramedics they've come together your thoughts on the nurses and parthe�*dics they've come together your thoughts on the nurses and parthe biggesty've come together your thoughts on the nurses and parthe biggest strike)me together your thoughts on the nurses and parthe biggest strike ine together your thoughts on the nurses and parthe biggest strike in the gether for the biggest strike in the nhs about pay and to a nhs history about pay and to a lesser think working lesser extent i think working conditions, i'm fed up conditions, nick says i'm fed up of about service of hearing about public service sector hgv sector strikes. i'm an hgv driver for , the council emptying driver for, the council emptying the we've recently had a the bins. we've recently had a pay the bins. we've recently had a pay rise of 4, which i thought was fairly very quickly. just going to bring up to date with some of the figures that i've had that if we paid the pension for all of our public service sectors. it would equate to £26 trillion, which is the equivalent of the entire british economy . it would be patrick economy. it would be patrick christys on gb news coming. the

search for missing dog walker nicola bailey as mystery continues to grow .

all right with me patrick christys on gb news. i'm up. friends of nicola bailey are hopeful that the help of a specialist underwater rescue team will give her family answers. a private team are helping police with the search . helping police with the search. the missing mother of two who vanished while walking her dog near the river wyre, more than a week ago. we'll cross live to lancashire for the latest. it is really, really mysterious case. also this hour, the health secretary steve barclay has downplayed the size of nhs strikes despite tens of thousands workers beginning the biggest walkout in the service's

history on the picket . earlier, history on the picket. earlier, the general secretary of the royal nursing said action royal of nursing said action will continue until the government quote listens to their demands government has to punish the nurses of england instead of getting around a table and talking to me about pay table and talking to me about pay in the same way as they've done and wales and scotland . done and wales and scotland. yeah, i'm getting stuck right . yeah, i'm getting stuck right. the pension angle of this today legs gentlemen when you work out the pension part of the average nurse plus their salary, it comes t 0 £62,000. that's got be comes to £62,000. that's got be some wiggle room there, but you never hear it from the unions do you? be taking you? also, we'll be taking a wider look into the rotherham grooming scandal. two men grooming gang scandal. two men charged a of charged with a series of offences including linked offences including rape linked to investigate have both to the investigate have both pleaded not guilty at sheffield crown court. that was earlier . crown court. that was earlier. it's latest in the national it's the latest in the national crime agency operation stove wood looking into allegations of child sexual abuse in rotherham 1997 and 2013. and number say as the government's policy for tackling small boats crossing.

the english channel, which is currently being worked on, could be compliant. the european convention on rights, two big topics that when it relates to migrant crisis. rishi sunak being accused of willy waving , being accused of willy waving, believe it or not, when it comes to getting us out the isa, but also him saying asylum seekers who are deported, are told they are going to be deported, will not be able to appeal the deportation before that . what do deportation before that. what do you make of all about gb views gb news dot uk but right now there have . us patrick thank there you have. us patrick thank you. good afternoon to you the number of dead from an earthquake that hit southeastern turkey early this morning has now surpassed 2000. the 7.8 magnitude earthquake struck an area near the border with syria leaving thousands more injured has caused widespread destruction to infrastructure and homes in both countries. the uk has said it will send aid to turkey including search and

rescue specialists as well as rescue specialists as well as rescue equipment which is due to arrive this evening . turkey's arrive this evening. turkey's president president erdogan has described the earthquake , the described the earthquake, the worst disaster to his country since 1939. it because we do not know how far number of dead and injured will rise as debris removal works continue in many buildings in the quake. removal works continue in many buildings in the quake . our hope buildings in the quake. our hope is that we will recover from this disaster with the least of life we have received calls for international aid to our offer of assistance . 45 countries, of assistance. 45 countries, including nato and the european union, have reached man has been found guilty of murdering a woman and her young daughter before burying underneath his kitchen floor and in killed 25 year old benjamin burke and two year old benjamin burke and two year old benjamin burke and two year old jessica . the 52 year year old jessica. the 52 year old was also convicted of sexually abusing the toddler and, raping another child at his home in between march and february in 2021 and is now

faces imprisonment with each murder a mandatory life sentence sentence . now, tens of , dozens sentence. now, tens of, dozens of nurses and ambulance in england are taking part in the biggest walkout in the history of the nhs . the royal college of of the nhs. the royal college of nursing staging two days of strikes in a dispute pay ambulance crews and call handlers will return to work but will resume industrial action on friday, the health secretary, steve barclay's says a resolution needs to come . the resolution needs to come. the independent review body . there's independent review body. there's been ongoing on the nhs inflation has been higher since last year's pay review body process than was originally forecast for example in the spending review . 2021. and spending review. 2021. and that's why we've got the evidence in terms of this april that we're working with the trade unions on that will reflect the inflation reflect those circumstances it should be done through the independent pay review that can look at review process that can look at both what the nhs needs , but

both what the nhs needs, but also wider needs of the and also the wider needs of the and the other pressures that many your viewers are facing . well, your viewers are facing. well, the general secretary of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen the government is punishing , cullen the government is punishing, not it, nurses. nurses deserve and need a decent pay nurses deserve and need a decent pay rise that will the economy not damage the economy because nurses spend their local communities. so every worker, including our nurses deserve a decent pay rise . and here we are decent pay rise. and here we are in a situation today where this government has chosen to the nurses of england instead of getting around a table and to me about pay and the same way as they've done in west and in scotland . well, today marks , the scotland. well, today marks, the 16th and final strike day , 16th and final strike day, teachers in scotland who have also been walking out in a dispute over more industrial actions on the horizon after talks failed between the teaching unions and holyrood , teaching unions and holyrood, they're demanding a 10% pay rise for their members after the scottish government offered a 5%

increase . a woman has been increase. a woman has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder . four people, attempted murder. four people, including three young children , including three young children, were found seriously injured in huddersfield . police were called huddersfield. police were called to an address walpole road earlier on this morning after receiving report of concern for safety from the ambulance service . officers believe service. officers believe serious injuries were caused by a bladed weapon . all four have a bladed weapon. all four have been taken to hospital for treatment and continue to be treated for their injuries . treatment and continue to be treated for their injuries. now a private rescue company joined the search in the river wyre for missing nicola bulli . the missing nicola bulli. the specialist diving company been brought in to assist police after ms. bulli vanished over a ago. police believe . the 45 year ago. police believe. the 45 year old may have fallen into the river, but her family and have questioned that hypothesis . questioned that hypothesis. there's still no evidence to support it. and that comes after new cctv pictures were released from the day she disappeared , from the day she disappeared,

which showed the mother of two loading her car before her two children to school. ceo and founder of the diving company peter folding says they're there to support police. well been tasked by lancashire police. we're working closely with them, so we're going to be coming down from the weir and we're down towards the estuary . there's a towards the estuary. there's a fair stretch of river and we'll be looking . the bottom is deep be looking. the bottom is deep in places shallow in places. police, i believe , think that police, i believe, think that she's in here and obviously that's where the evidence is, as you pointing us at the moment, the police are doing a great job. it's a big for lancashire police to do. this is a particularly long stretch of river to search . we just bring river to search. we just bring that back up resource to work closely with them at this instant and yet more sad news today at. some college has asked for time and space after the school's head teacher and family were found dead in grounds of the school. the bodies of emma patterson and her daughter and

her husband george found at the prestigious boarding school in the early hours of sunday morning . sorry. police are morning. sorry. police are investigating , but they say investigating, but they say they're confident it's an easily incident with no third party involvement with gb news bodies as it happens. now, back to . patrick welcome back. let's just move patrick christys here on gb news now a former conservative told the commons today that special as well as members of the public turning up at st michael's of wyre, is hampering the investigation into missing mother of two, nicola. it comes after an underwater expert arrived to help for the missing dog walker who vanished a walk at a riverside beauty spot. police have been working on the theory that the 45, it all fell into the river but ran. family and friends have questioned,

saying not enough evidence and indeed there was a forensic expert right here on gb news over the weekend. he seem to think maybe police have been jumping to conclusions this. either the mystery this has either way the mystery this has gnpped either way the mystery this has gripped the nation . our gripped the nation. our north—west of england. reporter sophie reaper the latest us sophie reaper the latest for us from lancashire. sophie, any developments all yet ? well ali developments all yet? well ali today as you said then, patrick sky, an independent search team , joined the search for mother of two. nicola bulli who went missing on friday the 27th of january as she walked her dog, willow along the banks of the river river wyre, which you can see behind me now as the sun to set here in lancashire . latest set here in lancashire. latest update we have that nothing has been found yet , although the been found yet, although the search does contain using sonar equipment which sgi says is the best in the world. in fact earlier the founder of sgi told the media that if 3 to 4 days

they haven't found nicola, then he is confident that she's not in a stretch river that they have been checking in. here's what else he had to say . well, what else he had to say. well, we've been tasked by lancashire police. we're working closely with them. so we're going to be coming down from the weir and we're going down towards the estuary. there's a fair stretch of river and we'll looking at the bottom is deep in places, shallow in places . police shallow in places. police i believe think that she's in here and obviously that's where the evidence is actually pointing this the moment the police are doing a great job it's a big task for lancashire police to do this is a long stretch of river to search and we just bring that back up resource to work closely with them at this instant . well with them at this instant. well earlier on today i spoke with another member of the sgi team who's here , the ground where the who's here, the ground where the search begun earlier this morning. and he explained me a little bit about how the sonar system actually works as a member of the crew aboard boat that has the sonar equipment,

who's constantly monitoring what sonar is picking up. and then if they get what's called a hit , they get what's called a hit, they're then able to respond and maybe even bring the divers out in order to check what's been found. now, there's quite a long stretch river to check from here where i am today, all the way to where i am today, all the way to where the river wyre meets the estuary in by the irish sea is around 12 miles. so there is quite a stretch for them to be checking. but we know sgi and the lancashire police now going to be working together until find some signs of the missing bullae. so we thank very much that sophie reaper northwest of england. reporter out there at the scene in lancashire joining me now is former detective superintendent howard millington. howard. thank you so, so much now it's very easy to say well we don't want speculation but speculation is going to mount unless we get a nice solution or indeed a whatever kind decision we do end up getting to this it currently stands. i think people are saying well something doesn't

add up there doesn't appear be much evidence their own friends and doesn't and family say there doesn't appears evidence that appears to be much evidence that she in there clearly doesn't she did in there clearly doesn't appear evidence that appear to be much evidence that she's a runner or something she's done a runner or something like that either or been taken. howard, this is an incredibly case. add up . case. something doesn't add up. yeah it is very unusual cases . yeah it is very unusual cases. no two questions about it. and it's clearly something that should settle local community for understanding reasons. but what would say in terms of speculation and what the police currently saying about this , currently saying about this, that she's fallen into the river for whatever reason however that's occurred and there's good reasons for them thinking along those lines. this is quickly been escalated. it would be classed as a high risk missing person and a senior detective have no doubt taken this over. the senior investigating officer . now, they will be keeping an

open mind so as not to let something what we call confirmation bias creep into the invested nation where you end up focusing on one line of inquiry or theory as to what could have happened. or theory as to what could have happened . so it's not guesswork happened. so it's not guesswork when . the police are saying that when. the police are saying that they now believe, for whatever reason , she's fallen into the reason, she's fallen into the river. i mean, early has said that they don't believe any third party involvement in her disappearance . that's clearly disappearance. that's clearly been formulated . the gathering been formulated. the gathering of information and evidence following a structured investigative strategy by the asio. i think howard as to cut across the edges a bit pressed for time. i think some people feel as though that have been slightly undermined. at a press conference took place week conference took place last week where superintendent where we had superintendent there your there saying. well, yes, your theory that fell. and he then theory is that fell. and he then went on to say we don't really have any evidence to back this up. well, i think members of the pubuc up. well, i think members of the public myself would public myself included would find hard to believe, as find quite hard to believe, as you've got massive amounts of

resources, huge police resources. plus now a specialist sonar unit , this stretch of sonar unit, this stretch of river, if they do not find anything there, it might look a little bit like the police had come to a conclusion early doors and then done what they can to back that up and potentially miss something vital vital . miss something vital vital. well, no, i don't agree with that because there's been a big media campaign behind this which has resulted in coming forward. i've visited the area in the scene in the vicinity of the scene in the vicinity of the scene and it's very open land with a big risk to be in the river itself . so that's got to river itself. so that's got to form part of the police of several hypotheses as to what could have happened there and have now come down fairly firmly on the side that for whatever reason she's fallen into the river and because of the topography of the ground, if she was lay in a field, for example,

nearby then she would have been found . you know, they've clearly found. you know, they've clearly a police search of houses. this hasn't just been a random search. they've up said it will make sure everything everything that's covered is covered professionally and nothing's missed. so if there's nothing in, the land surrounding the area and it is open land, then it's not unreasonable to believe that. she probably has ended up whatever reason in the river dunng whatever reason in the river during the as well. there's a lot of dog walkers there. so if there was anything untoward, any third party involvement then you know there's a good chance somebody would have seen or something suspicious . yeah. and something suspicious. yeah. and just just quickly, finally howard, as well, this must be an absolute for the police. i had a little window into, a similar case that took place, cumbria, where an individual, a young man went missing. he ended up in the lake, sadly being found in the lake, sadly being found in the lake a couple of later. lake of a couple of weeks later. i think it actually was a huge body of water. windermere and the an the police were under an unbelievable amount pressure unbelievable amount of pressure from journos at time like

from local journos at time like me as well saying how can you not this guy get your act together and presumably the family same well. family were the same as well. this obviously goes out this is obviously it goes out saying an absolute living for the and the friends of the family and the friends of nicola this will be a nightmare . the police as well won't say until find a absolutely until they find a absolutely there of in somalia. everybody's expectations the community the family they must be sick with worry and you know these when you've got bodies moving water you've got bodies moving water you know and i've dealt with cases where people have been recovered from rivers they come some distance and, you know, no doubt that will be factor in. so the expertise get in to help and search river it'll be tributaries that run off it and ultimately ends up moving towards an estuary. so yeah you know it's not that she might not be fine for some time . howard, be fine for some time. howard, thank you very, very . howard thank you very, very. howard millington there is a former

superintendent just bringing us all up to date a bit more as well into this case of nicola, the missing dog, also missing mum as well should be forgotten that , of course, the family that that, of course, the family that it is case has gripped the nation. as i keep saying and because frankly, it just seems so. bring the latest so. we'll bring you the latest as get it. the is that as when we get it. the is that right now there are a new of independent sonar experts looking at that particular stretch of water. like i said , stretch of water. like i said, we'll bring you the latest. but we're moving from now. we're moving on from that now. is biggest of nhs strikes. is biggest day of nhs strikes. well since last week when that was the biggest day nhs drives in year and in its 75 year history and shouts of you clap for us now, pay shouts of you clap for us now, pay heard on picket pay us all being heard on picket lines but pay remains lines around but pay remains a bone of contention between the health secretary the unions health secretary, the unions a steve barclay said that any potential for nurses would potential rises for nurses would only next financial year only be next financial year instead of being backdated to april and. i think this is where it's going now, ladies and gentlemen. because when you really look at trade unionists on the picket and nurses on the picket line, i completely understand. more understand. everyone wants more upfront government is

upfront pay. the government is saying it maybe maybe saying we can't it maybe maybe unions just aren't being honest . the government should start being pushy on the average being more pushy on the average . salaries, 35 grand. . nurses salaries, 35 grand. actually, you factor in actually, when you factor in their pension contributions , their pension contributions, it's around their pension contributions, it's aroun d £62,000 a year. and it's around £62,000 a year. and as important, this if the liabilities of the pensions were paid by the british taxpayer, it would equate to around £26 trillion. that's right across the public . and that, ladies and the public. and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the equivalent to the size of the entire british economy. so can we not do some kind of deal pensions versus upfront pay ? i don't know. south upfront pay? i don't know. south west of england reporterjeff west of england reporter jeff moody me now from a picket line at north district hospital in barnstaple . geoff is a slightly barnstaple. geoff is a slightly quieter than the last time i was here. it was like carnival earlier and it's this it's earlier and now it's this it's on the comedown though. it is a little quieter here as the day wears on but people are still hooting their horns regular intervals . i've managed to catch intervals. i've managed to catch up with another couple of nurses

to talk to. first of all, sue, who is a retired nurse. so we thank her much indeed for agreeing to talk to me the worst of strike action in the nhs is 75 year history, with both the nurses and the ambulance drivers on strike today . how does that on strike today. how does that make you feel ? a mixture of sad make you feel? a mixture of sad ' angry make you feel? a mixture of sad , angry and a little bit of to say that nurses are strong enough to come out and say enough to come out and say enough , enough, we're not enough, enough, we're not prepared to put up with this any longer. if you help people now who have problems , say, teaching who have problems, say, teaching strikes , they'll lose a day's strikes, they'll lose a day's education with tubes , strikes education with tubes, strikes and train strikes that to work will be shot shreds. but with this particular strike, it's people's lives that you're talking about . if you people's lives that you're talking about. if you found out that someone had lost their

because they couldn't get the service needed, would you still feel proud? no i'd be devastated for the family , for that for the family, for that patient. but the fact is that the safety of is put at risk every day at the moment because there aren't enough staff to look after . and if we carry there aren't enough staff to look after. and if we carry on like this, there will never be enough staff to look after them. the first thing we've got to do is look fair pay for nurses to be able to increase the number of staff in the hospitals and in the community to look after the. and i'm going to be one of those patients for the future. so that's why important to me . that's why important to me. okay, donna, you are a retired nurse. you left and then you've recently just back into the profession . we're hearing that profession. we're hearing that when you add pensions to, the amount of money that nurses get it averages out to something lik e £64,000, which is a fairly like £64,000, which is a fairly significant amount . give me some significant amount. give me some idea what it's like in there a day to day basis, working for

the it's hard sort of for all the it's hard sort of for all the nurses that are working there, sort of it's relentless . there, sort of it's relentless. they do take lot of pride in what they do. they want to give sort of the highest standards care to their patients but having to sort of share that time amongst so many more patients . so it's the pressure patients. so it's the pressure sort on a daily basis that they're dealing with that makes it so for you it's about the working conditions . it so for you it's about the working conditions. i'm just just just back to you . £64,000 just just back to you. £64,000 when you include all of the pensions as well . and the other pensions as well. and the other benefits is a fairly significant and the government is saying , and the government is saying, look, we'd love to give you a lot more money, very grateful for the job that you've done, but there just isn't any more money in the coffers. but that's not true because nurses full time lot of money in taxes time pay a lot of money in taxes . they contribute every day to the wealth of this country . and the wealth of this country. and obviously if they were paid more, they would be contribute

more, they would be contribute more towards their own their own pay more towards their own their own pay and their own pension. and they contribute towards that pension anyway . so it's not a pension anyway. so it's not a reward, a delayed reward in the way that it's identified now. it's actually something that nurses contribute . all nhs nurses contribute. all nhs workers contribute to. so making the excuses not there's not enough money is not true. it's a political ideology that we've suffered for years and years and years . and if it's not if there years. and if it's not if there isn't an improved pay award or a pay isn't an improved pay award or a pay award at all or even the government getting around table to negotiate , then they're going to negotiate, then they're going to negotiate, then they're going to lose a lot experienced nurses and then. well, will the service pay-7 and then. well, will the service pay? okay, both of you, thank you very much indeed. joining me. well, there is another strike on friday and nurses will still be out on strike tomorrow. thank you very , geoff. jeff thank you very, geoff. jeff moody there, just reporting to us on the nurses strike, it is interesting . let's get your

interesting. let's get your emails coming in gbviews@gbnews.uk. keen to make to get what you made of all of that really because from where i'm sitting right now, it's all very well and good to say. well, nurses towards their pension. yes and i understand of that but but it is taxpayers money, isn't it? taxpayers money. it? it's taxpayers money. and i'm reiterate seems i'm just reiterate that do seems it little squishy don't it gets a little squishy don't they try especially trade unionists when it comes to whether would accept whether or not. you would accept some of offer that meant some kind of offer that meant a lower pension the way that lower pension by the way that pension the region pension somewhere in the region of to your of around 24% goes to your pension whether they pension there. whether they would accept more up front pay and.the would accept more up front pay and. the reason when they and. the reason being when they say, got all say, well, we've got all the money in world, we've got money in the world, we've got loads money and nurses and loads of money and nurses and doctors, etc. contribute towards our of the our economy in the health of the nation. do. when nation. yes, they do. but when they say they feel they say that they feel undervalued, to read undervalued, going to read this out, official estimate is out, one official estimate is that future pension that the cost of future pension liabilities increased by £70 billion in 2021 to 2022 alone and the total for nothing more nothing more than the pensions liabilities for public sector workers has now hi t £2.6

workers has now hit £2.6 trillion. and that is equivalent to the size of the british economy . so realistically , are economy. so realistically, are we as a society undervaluing our health workers? could they not maybe come up with some kind of arrangement? of course, the unions won't want them to do because. they will not want to take any money out of their pensions or put it towards upfront you did do upfront pay. but if you did do that, they would a that, they would still have a great pension. would have great pension. they would have more up pay and surely that would when comes to would help when it comes to retention are my retention and recruitment are my views get yours coming in and indeed of you have neil indeed a lot of you have neil says the whole management says unless the whole management of sorted out, the of the nhs is sorted out, the morale will improve. morale will not improve. throwing will help. throwing money will not help. the of nurses, the majority of nurses, ambulance who are ambulance drivers who are striking. is striking. complete overhaul is needed. feel neil needed. i can't but feel neil asking british when asking the british public when you figures about you look at these figures about the the pension the fact that the pension liabilities already the liabilities are already the equivalent the size of the equivalent to the size of the entire economy, asking the british of british public in a time of a cost of living crisis to do more or telling taxpayers that we're not doing already, think it not doing already, only think it will be a tough pill to swallow. of these figures of course, these all figures

that on the picket that union reps on the picket lines don't want to you can lines don't want to tell you can says lot of the says perhaps a lot of the employees top civil should employees and top civil should look at look to use gold plated pensions pay pensions to reduce their pay rises burden on rises and the burden on taxpayers then we can to taxpayers maybe then we can to pay taxpayers maybe then we can to pay the nurses . i get the point pay the nurses. i get the point that you're making absolute lay and some people say well why we pay and some people say well why we pay employees this amount of money nurses know how many lives as an mp. yeah, 100. i do get that. there is the argument that employees are, of course, elected officials. they make laws laws. and it is laws, they pass laws. and it is a important and we want to a very important and we want to attract our best. but yeah, i completely get your logic, though, maybe they though, which is maybe they should gold pensions should reduce that gold pensions as slight to the as. well, slight race to the bottom . i can tell you right bottom. i can tell you right now, don't think that pension now, i don't think that pension is anywhere near as gold plated as it would appear to be anyway in the public sector. i think most bang up a pay rise. most people bang up a pay rise. so people in the public sector a relatively decent pay rise. i can understand the but whilst the pension contributions that much as well is there not ideal to be done there you're with me

patrick christie is on gb news. coming we'll be speaking. a coming up we'll be speaking. a lawyer specialising sex lawyer specialising in sex crimes. about crimes. i'm talking about operation one and that is operation scope one and that is the investigation into allegations sexual allegations of child sexual abuse in rotherham more than 1300 crimes have been recorded . 1300 crimes have been recorded. this is the story. of course, it's agreement story. other news outlets , they don't dare to outlets, they don't dare to touch it. we don't away from it. but attack .

okay welcome back. now two men charged with the series of offences rape linked to an investigation into child abuse investigation into child abuse in rotherham have both not guilty at sheffield crown court is the latest in the national agency's operation stove looking into allegations of child sexual abuse in rotherham . 1997 and abuse in rotherham. 1997 and 2013. to date, 1367 crimes have

been recorded. 209 people arrested and people have been convicted . offences, with the convicted. offences, with the nca arguing that that is set to rise . in the last hour i spoke rise. in the last hour i spoke to partner and sex abuse team at q james's solicitors about the recent findings of this operation was i identified was that a large number of the perpetrators came from the asian community and there was a great sensitivity about that and maybe the sensitivity was misplaced . the sensitivity was misplaced. but i think what we now is you can't dodge the issues. you've got to be objective enough and you've got to accept you're looking at these very unpleasant and difficult issues, but you can't you can't prejudge , you can't you can't prejudge, you can't you can't prejudge, you can't ring fence. you've got to be objective. and i think that was the big message that has come out that you know you code you've got to have the right attitude you will have the right ethos and you've got to be

prepared to look issues for a very uncomfortable and unpleasant to do with . yes, unpleasant to do with. yes, indeed. now gb news documentary filmmaker charlie peters . me. filmmaker charlie peters. me. charlie, i keep getting loads and loads of emails in on this issue. gb views. gb news uk talking about as a the grooming gang issue in the uk every now and again an independent inquiry p0ps up and again an independent inquiry pops up every now and again we get something a little bit like what's taking now? but people say to time and time again, say to me, time and time again, i'm to with that. i'm inclined to agree with that. people afraid about fact people are afraid about the fact that demographics , some of that the demographics, some of the individuals involved british—pakistani men versus , british—pakistani men versus, those young working class girls, that kind of thing means that it's shoved under the carpet. yeah all too often that is the case i think we are now seeing. thanks in part to this channel, i believe, a general shift away from that that racial nervousness, political nervousness, the political correctness, which i know people say that political correctness means good manners. well, actually, has actually, no, it has consequences . for best consequences. and for the best part three decades, one part of three decades, one of those has been

those consequences has been total ignorance. on one of the worst abuse scandals in modern history in northern europe , history in northern europe, really, not just in this country , for reasons to improve so—called community cohesion. it's a scandal of our time. but it's a scandal of our time. but i think, as i said there is a general shift now towards the towards investigation and towards investigation and towards discussion, because when that first broke in 2012, when the times the headlines in rotherham and we started to think about this as a national problem not focussed on one small town one children's home. you know there were there were serious efforts to kick this into grass and major into the long grass and major reason that this was done was to avoid the so—called issues around community cohesion . now, around community cohesion. now, as part of this trend, regular talking about it a bit more , lot talking about it a bit more, lot of that is coming through some successful prosecutions. the nca's operations over here being , one of them. but last year dunng , one of them. but last year during his leadership campaign, rishi the prime minister, rishi sunak, the prime minister, then course, a just a then of course, just a just a candidate , said that he wanted candidate, said that he wanted national crime investigations into single town and city where

credible allegations of these gangs , i guess, is, well, all gangs, i guess, is, well, all over the place. but gb news investigates has uncovered to 50 different towns and cities and people news want to people watching tv news want to learn about them. they can learn more about them. they can tune saturday at 8 pm. tune in this saturday at 8 pm. for the first gb news investigates film grooming gangs britain's uncover britain's shane we will uncover and true depth and and explain the true depth and breadth of this issue . just give breadth of this issue. just give us the timings of those again in case people missed it, this is an exclusive that you've been working this working on, charlie, this saturday p.m. working on, charlie, this saturday pm. this saturday working on, charlie, this satu make pm. this saturday working on, charlie, this satumake sure».m. this saturday working on, charlie, this satu make sure that this saturday working on, charlie, this satu make sure that you saturday working on, charlie, this satu make sure that you do urday working on, charlie, this satumake sure that you do keep pm. make sure that you do keep your free for that because your diary free for that because it will be in listening to ideas, so it just makes me so angry can actually hardly talk the idea that there could be something that we've all realistically known in realistically known deep down in our house. throw a dart at the map of the uk, franklin, you will probably hit an area affected by algorithmic, affected by it, by algorithmic, because go, charlie, because i've got to go, charlie, but will speak you shortly. but i will speak to you shortly. thank much. charlie thank you very much. charlie peters, gbnews.uk edgy peters, the gbnews.uk edgy filmmaker. me filmmaker. look, you're with me patrick christys on gb news. coming up, 10 says the coming up, number 10 says the government's tackling government's policy for tackling small the small boats, crossing the engush small boats, crossing the english currently being worked

on compliant with the on could be compliant with the aca. times this aca. our look, the times this week have reported that rishi sunakis week have reported that rishi sunak is looking put sunak is looking to put withdrawing from the aca r in his manifesto for next election. yeah, we've heard it all before . election, over the . next election, then over the election, after that then it'll be the election after he's be the election after that. he's also that if people are also said that if people are refuse to remain in this refuse right to remain in this country having come across the channel will be able to channel they will not be able to appeal their deportation . well appeal their deportation. well i believe that when i say i don't know you, ladies and gentlemen, but course, as what the but of course, as what the tories are saying is this at least we want to the small least we want to stop the small boats asking you whether not boats asking you whether or not you of them. but you believe any of them. but right as you had headlines right now, as you had headlines . patrick thank you. good afternoon to you. the top stories today, the number of dead from earthquake that has hit south eastern turkey early this morning has now surpassed 2200. the 7.8 magnitude earthquake struck an area near the border with . syria leaving the border with. syria leaving many thousands more injured and

caused widespread devastation in both countries. the uk said it'll be sending aid to turkey including search and rescue specialists as well as rescue equipment, which will arrive at around 11:00 tonight. turkey's president erdogan has described the earthquake as the worst disaster to hit his country for decades decades . a man has been decades decades. a man has been found guilty of murdering woman and her young daughter before burying under his kitchen floor . andrew innes killed five year old benjamin burke and two year old benjamin burke and two year old jessica . the 52 year old was old jessica. the 52 year old was also a convicted of sexual abusing the toddler and raping another at his home in dundee between february and march in 2021. innes, now faces life imprisonment with each murder carrying a mandatory life sentence . and as you've been sentence. and as you've been hearing, the nhs is facing huge disruption today as tens of thousands of nurses , ambulance thousands of nurses, ambulance staff in england go on strike in the biggest walkout , the the biggest walkout, the service's history royal of

nursing is beginning a two day strike in a dispute over pay ambulance crews and call handlers will return to work tomorrow but will continue industrial action. on friday, the health steve barclay says a resolution to the strikes needs to come through independent pay review body . and a private review body. and a private underwater rescue company have begun their search for nicola pulley in lancashire especially . his diving company have been brought in to help police search the river. wyre after ms. pulley vanished over a week ago, police the 45 year old may have fallen into the river, but her family and friends have questioned that, saying there's still no evidence and that comes after cctv tv pictures were released from the day she which showed the mother two loading her car before driving her two children to school . those are the to school. those are the headunes to school. those are the headlines on tv online and dab plus radio. this is gb news. we're back in just a moment.

yes, welcome back, everybody. now the sentencing , disgraced now the sentencing, disgraced serial rapist david carrick currently underway. the former met police officer last month admitted to 49 charges detailing five serious offences involving 12 women. a court that one of carrick's victims was told by a nurse that this wasn't the first time she had heard of an officer raping someone and didn't think it would be the last. prosecutor tim little casey said the case falls of meriting a whole life sentence. he told the judge the case should mean a discretionary life sentence with a fixed minimum term. life sentence with a fixed minimum term . former met police minimum term. former met police officer chris hobbs joins me live now in the studio. chris thank you very, very much . how thank you very, very much. how widespread do you think sexual offenders are within the met? i

obviously what's happened recently absolutely dreadful. abso lutely dreadful. and you can see why people would be wary police officers and approaching police officers and approaching police officers and approaching police officers if they're trouble etcetera etcetera . how trouble etcetera etcetera. how prevalent is it personally speaking in terms of offences? i don't think it's that prevalent. i think we've had two dreadful cases together . misogyny within cases together. misogyny within police, which is at a different level. yeah, i think probably female officers would say yes. at some stage my career i've experienced misogyny by serving officers . however, i think the officers. however, i think the crunch be with female officers if you ask them in your 25, 30 years service, do you find the overwhelming majority of police officers trustworthy and professional? i think and the ones i've spoken to that i used work with would say, yes, i would . unfortunately, what we do would. unfortunately, what we do have is a minority who are a

disgrace in terms of the vetting, i don't know anything that would have been through a man's vetting procedure. clearly, it's not works in the past. is anything done about that now? and how would you feel about the idea of everyone who wants apply to work in the matter having to undergo form of lie detector ? i know they're not lie detector? i know they're not always most reliable , but it always most reliable, but it might weed out few people who are just and out wrong it. yeah i mean, i think there's no doubt about it at the moment. recruitment, vetting is a real problem and it's been allowed to slide when we've had the cuts that had an impact on it, which was remembering that carrick joined in 2001. cousins joined police in 2008 when the civil constabulary then to the mat and i suspect that whatever went on with with cousins wasn't picked up when the met took him on as it were . and this has all been it were. and this has all been looked at her majesty's inspectorate and that report really is quite shocking in

terms of the number of people who applied to had some convictions and, got through the vetting or got who have got serious convictions. they might die if there was anything doubtful about you at all, you wouldn't get if you had an uncle who was a bit of a criminal you wouldn't get in if neighbours were non criminals , you wouldn't were non criminals, you wouldn't get in. that seems to have softened and then. we've, we've had the cuts and now we are getting some who, who frankly shouldn't be in. but i would stress they are a minority . i stress they are a minority. i did 32 years. yeah the majority of officers and female i worked with were brilliant , but they with were brilliant, but they were probably around 40 who i felt i met in my 32 years. i thought you should be. yeah get what you mean. it clearly looked . this individual is absolutely sickening , . this individual is absolutely sickening, vile. i mean, it's now a crime that he's committed the most horrific crimes that you can possibly imagine. the detail of it is absolutely staggering. you know 49 charges

detailing 85 serious offences involving 12 women. i mean, he is just a deplorable he would be they said it doesn't warrant a full life term okay the life order clearly is going to be a very long time. what would you like to see done to this? i couldn't possibly say that on air. neither could most of i think most of the metropolitan service. and so i would say same thing whole life , without a thing whole life, without a doubt. you know , can i ask just doubt. you know, can i ask just about the way police officers view this? because we are now having conversations like the one that we're having between ourselves about, oh, you know, is the mat rotten , its core? and is the mat rotten, its core? and when an incident this happens, it must tarnish every single police officer , other police police officer, other police officers must in some cases want to be locked in a room with this quy- to be locked in a room with this guy. yeah, well, yeah, no doubt about it. makes so much more difficult. it means they're much more vulnerable to abuse and being attacked. it means they can't always get the help that they might want to keep us in.

the police probably on six occasions when i was off duty , i occasions when i was off duty, i encountered distressed females and i would approach them and say, look , as my warrant card, say, look, as my warrant card, i'm a police officer. what was wrong ? concerned that they might wrong? concerned that they might have just been sexually assaulted or. yes, in every case it was fairly minor trouble. you know, i've just put out with my boyfriend but now the thought if i did that now approached someone who was distressed with the warrant would probably the warrant, they would probably be . well, it's be horrified. well, it's a horrendous position to be absolute for every walk for absolutely everyone, because there's no witness that that is there's no witness that that is there all. thank you there at all. look, thank you very great to you in very much. great to have you in the well to shed some the studio as well to shed some light particular to get light on particular case to get a of an insight from, the a bit of an insight from, the met as . well, that was chris met as. well, that was chris hopes, of course met police officer right now moving on over the weekend it was reported that the weekend it was reported that the prime minister will be prepared to pull out of the c h r they were to deem his new migrant on and those migrant policies on and those migrant policies on and those migrant policies on and those migrant policies the way included something that i think

was fascinating. we're going to talk about it, which is the idea that if you across the that if you come across the channel you are denied channel and you are denied asylum, that you will not be able through these really able to go through these really long legal processes in long winded legal processes in order it would just order to appeal it would just be barefoot, essentially . but barefoot, essentially. but earlier afternoon, downing earlier this afternoon, downing street said that any plan street now said that any plan which they are working on to tackle could be tackle the small boats could be compliant with the ecj . what's compliant with the ecj. what's the point? people are shouting people right across the nation now and believe you. now and i don't believe you. rishi or obey. what's the flippin point ? what rishi or obey. what's the flippin point? what did rishi or obey. what's the flippin point ? what did you say? flippin point? what did you say? you. secretary suella you. and home secretary suella braverman are working on some of these stricter country these stricter laws. our country is many times have is saying. how many times have we to anyone we heard this? to stop anyone who travels illegally who travels here illegally claiming the day claiming asylum? since the day i was people have been working on was, people have been working on the strictest ever seen. the strictest we've ever seen. joining is, stephen joining me now is, stephen wolf, director centre for director at the centre for migration economic migration and economic prosperity . human rights lawyer prosperity. human rights lawyer shoaib khan. thank you very, very . stephen, i will start with very. stephen, i will start with you . what is the point of you. what is the point of pulling out of the eci and then doing something that's completely aligned with it? i can tell you that over brexit

and full regulatory alignment, well, i think it's very difficult . anyone like myself difficult. anyone like myself who reads the legislation looks the law as the policies place as and then tries analyse what is it the government actually do thatis it the government actually do that is compliant with the eci or but pushes its boundaries. so much that you can remove somebody once an initial decision which is what happens when someone makes an application for asylum. that initial decision is refused and the three categories are refusal are that you're not a genuine asylum seeker classified under the refugee convention. you fail the refugee convention. you fail the eci fails humanitarian protection one of our own discretionary . at that point, it discretionary. at that point, it becomes very difficult for someone like me, myself to say how is it going to work? how is he practically going to expel someone through a deportee order and still compliant with the. it's baffling . okay. well, there

it's baffling. okay. well, there is human lawyer show card, so i'm going flip it on his head. but i'm going to ask you how they could. how come we do it? how come we get people? how come we decide that this person come here. we don't want them here. how do we get rid of well how do we get rid of them? well have to give them the protections of the law that is allowing them to go through appeal. i'm like, we know that is just looking at the statistics. half of statistics. more than half of asylum are successful. that means that of the decisions that actually through courts in more than half of those cases the home office got wrong and they wrongfully, unlawfully refuse that person asylum. so it's just i mean, it's astonishing really that the home office or the home secretary, prime minister and even suggest this . i mean, it even suggest this. i mean, it might be if you say i've got this perfect record , i never this perfect record, i never make any mistakes. i don't need any accountability . i any scrutiny, accountability. i don't my decisions reviewed don't need my decisions reviewed . i'm okay. i'm even. don't need my decisions reviewed . i'm okay. i'm even . then you . i'm okay. i'm even. then you might say, okay, that's a bit, you know, a bit extreme to have notes scrutiny. someone

notes scrutiny. but for someone that gets so terribly wrong so often for them , say, well, we often for them, say, well, we made your decision that's it, that's off to syria back to ukraine, back to afghanis. that's just completely a unacceptable. okay. well i'll throw that out to you, because this is the argument that we're going to hear a lot about rishi sunak's is going to push ahead and get us out of these or to plough ahead with just deporting people, essentially an appeal. right. so that's the argument. how respond to it ? well, how do you respond to it? well, i generally what we saw is i think generally what we saw is in the initial decision , 60% of in the initial decision, 60% of all applications for asylum fail at the first instance show is correct . but when they go to the correct. but when they go to the appeal 50% of that 60. so you've got to see it's a small number. so each year we have about six and a half thousand people who completely fail asylum application process and appeal system. and patrick, as and i know those people then are ready for deportation we can remove them but we. and here is issue.

the top four countries but generally these asylum applications are iran iraq somalia and afghanistan and we have no deals with those to return them . so when she says we return them. so when she says we will return them to their country or the first port of call is not going any deals to return them to afghanistan, pakistan, iran and iraq. so what is he going to return them to the eu. so, again, we're in that situation. put situation. where does he put them? can only be somewhere them? it can only be somewhere like rwanda. and we haven't got the space. £16. oh, i'm sorry, but we do have you , but we do but we do have you, but we do have places. i mean, there were talk of things like ascension island falklands. if island and, the falklands. if people laughing about people were laughing about that, it to look it is starting to look maybe a little more possible show about. i'll throw it back your way now . who is, of course , . show khan, who is, of course, a rights lawyer. so some a human rights lawyer. so some people would say that maybe you're against this policy just because it cost you money, wouldn't it ? well, i mean, wouldn't it? well, i mean, personally , wouldn't cost me any

personally, wouldn't cost me any money, but. but even others. who would i think is defensible. i mean, like stephen just saying, the point is, after, you know, the point is, after, you know, the way he just explained things, how are we saying, how would those what's would we send those back? what's it do with? the human it got to do with? the human rights? what's about to do with these? what you with these? watching what you do with these? watching what you do with the judges to watch an afghan asylum seeker. the home office refuses goes refuses them even if it goes through appeals process . in through the appeals process. in the we have deal with the end, if we have deal with afghanistan, how is that? how is that strasberg's fault? how that a the point is that's the a fault? the point is that's the government. that's the home office home office. that's how a home secretary will have failing at this for decades and decades. i mean, is the lack of a to mean, how is the lack of a to justice as a judge put a show of if they were refusing if they weren't from one of those countries. okay so to just say they were from somewhere else. what i don't understand is the other nations , those lovely other nations, those lovely fluffy bastions of democracy and peace and humanity on the continent, they're they just ignore these. josh why don't we do that ? and because that would

do that? and because that would be against the law. that's the whole point of having they all get away with it. i mean, i turned up to my magistrates court and get convicted . the court and get convicted. the date i'm withdrawing from your court and get convicted. the date it's withdrawing from your court and get convicted. the date it's not1drawing from your court and get convicted. the date it's not you ning from your court and get convicted. the date it's not you .ing from your court and get convicted. the date it's not you . sorry.m your court and get convicted. the date it's not you . sorry. it your well it's not you. sorry. it turns out you're spanish, you call them spanish, ignore are all the time . well, there's lots all the time. well, there's lots of people who do break the law. i mean that's not an argument is it saying that the one you know another news channel breaks the law by gb news i mean yes other governments do that other people do that. then when they go back to what they found guilty again. well, is, to what they found guilty again. well, is, even if well, the main thing is, even if it's the court, the point is it's not the court, the point is you know, you have have you know, you have to have humanitarian, lawful laws humanitarian, fair, lawful laws . okay. point is not . okay. so what point is not about whether the finds about whether the court finds you get not. all right. well, this is the part about i do understand. i do take your point. absolutely. just final word now . the question word quickly now. the question is believability as well. regardless whether or not it's actually legal pull of the actually legal to pull of the ecj whatever guff the british ecj or whatever guff the british comes now, do think comes out with now, do you think he actually wants to do it?

because well, i mean, he hasn't so we're talking about so far as we're talking about oh, might do it by oh, it might be. we'll do it by the election of a die off. well, look, patrick since 2010, the conservative party has had in their manifest so that they will remove from the ecj or in the human rights act. they just haven't done it. even if he puts into law in the next few months , then it will no doubt be challenged on judicial review. just the rwanda policy was done , as we can see. we rwanda. that's taken at least over a year. that's taken at least over a year . that's that's taken at least over a year. that's pushing in very close to the next general election . so it is a good line election. so it is a good line to , say. but in practical terms to, say. but in practical terms i think it's just pushing this can further down the road and hope that they can stop blaming if they come in for the mass of issues that will come when labour do come into power. well, indeed and the reality is, at least the tories talking about stopping it . least the tories talking about stopping it. let's be least the tories talking about stopping it . let's be perfectly stopping it. let's be perfectly honest with you. i mean, absolutely stop. so you know, both of you. thank you very much. that stephen

much. good chat that stephen wolff of the centre for migration, economic prosperity is lawyer is and un human rights lawyer shoaib now this afternoon shoaib khan. now this afternoon the has the prime spokesperson has claimed rishi sunak will claimed that rishi sunak will always listen to former prime ministers after liz truss used her first public interventions in stepping down to defend her failed bid boost growth in failed bid to boost growth in a 4000 word snooze fest. sorry essay in the telegraph, she said that tax cutting policies were undermined by left wing economic establishment before they've been given a chance, but she did say that she was not blameless when the mini budget was unravelled. in just a few moments. her first broadcast moments. in her first broadcast interview resigning, interview since resigning, liz truss speak to truss will speak to the spectator able to hear spectator and we'll able to hear in own words she thinks in her own words why she thinks it that's right. it went wrong. that's right. we'll taking that live lies we'll be taking that live lies in i'm asking, is she in jest. but i'm asking, is she fighting a losing battle? she fighting a losing battle? is she able a political able to mount a political comeback? me now, who comeback? joining me now, who better reporter better deputy political reporter at olivia. can i just say i'm actively angry at liz truss and i don't really care what she has to now because frankly, she to say now because frankly, she screwed she the screwed it up. she had the opportunity to introduce a low tax some pretty sound tax with some pretty sound economic she just

economic policies and she just messed explained messed it because she explained it terribly . yeah. i mean, i it so terribly. yeah. i mean, i think she argue and fox has argued in this very long essay for telegraph that the odds for the telegraph that the odds were just stacked against were always just stacked against her. didn't understand and her. she didn't understand and she acknowledges that she was naive to understand this, the way in which the economic establishment been up to be establishment had been up to be stacked against any sort of low tax conservative big c conservative policies . so as she conservative policies. so as she puts a tinderbox under the uk economy before she to it, which she didn't understand and had all of these pension funds which were massive, massively leveraged so as soon as government bonds went down, they were there was massive trouble there. we have the obe all which is she argues struck truly designed to be in favour of high spend policies and against low tax policies. so she say that to your allegation that she had her opportunity, that she didn't really have the opportunity because of way this establishment has been set up and run since the blair years. so saying that was

so she's saying that it was always very clear cut by some kind of left leaning economic elite who decided that they didn't particularly her i mean she short of calling them the illuminati but she's not far off it. well it's not so much not like her. it's not like low tax policies in general. so argument is that the bank of england went to the civil service essentially a rule overestimates the power , a rule overestimates the power, high spending and continually the power of lowering taxes to enable ground up economic growth. and that is a problem, by the way. yes, that's true . by the way. yes, that's true. and there were plenty of conservative mps who think that she does have a point. in fact, she does have a point. in fact, she would say that she had this mandate. the problem, one of the big political problems for liz truss is that her mandate was always bit tenuous. always a little bit tenuous. what wanted by modern what she wanted to do by modern standards pretty radical, standards were pretty radical, although would say it's although some would say it's just conservative just a normal conservative policy policy . but policy programme for policy. but yeah, didn't have the wheels

yeah, she didn't have the wheels , she had the members but she didn't have that much of that she didn't really inherit it from boris johnson in a political thing she made some really good there and really good points there and increasingly think if you just increasingly i think if you just look at what some of liz just wanted to do on paper, economic policy think history policy wise, i do think history will it lot. kinder will remember it a lot. kinder than the reality, the situation at and i think the at the time. and i think the tory there a lot to answer tory mp there a lot to answer for as because they decided for as well because they decided to boris johnson a for as well because they decided to borisjohnson a man for as well because they decided to boris johnson a man who to if boris johnson a man who frankly think elections he frankly think wins elections he does and was does win elections and was popular opinion popular rightly or my opinion rightly popular chap rightly incredibly popular chap they had some money the they then had some money the member banks voted in liz truss and got rid of her before all she had a chance, although she made a really ham fisted attempt in explaining it actually an act and i and then installed on us a banker in a suit alongside someone else who looked like he should have been a banker in a suit to run our country completely unelectable by anyone anyway. olivia, thank. all right. gb news, right. olivia utley gb news, a political just a few political reporter. just a few moments. a months moments. so just a few months ago. go in time. the former ago. go back in time. the former secretary, foreign secretary got something right a minute.

something right in a minute. james carville has given more james carville has given us more details response to details on the uk response to the devastating earthquake in turkey and syria in the early hours of this morning. let's have listen to what he had to have a listen to what he had to say. when heard about it say. but when i heard about it early morning, i early this morning, i immediately my turkish immediately contacted my turkish opposite number express our opposite number to express our condolences and to give an offer of assistance with a like this, of assistance with a like this, of course , is of the essence . so of course, is of the essence. so we have deployed large search and rescue team with state of the art life saving equipment they will be deploying to turkey very soon and they should be leaving today and deploying soon as they arrive with syria . as they arrive with syria. course, the situation is more complicated , but we have given complicated, but we have given many years of support to white helmets and of course our experts in search and rescue will be working through our un partners , the ground. and we partners, the ground. and we have increased funding and allocated funding specifically response to this situation at

this stage we are not aware of any british fatalities , but of any british fatalities, but of course it's too easy, it's far too early for us to say that that won't be the case. oh, okay. there we go james covered just outlining what's been going on those devastating earthquakes in, turkey and indeed syria. and our response to them. you are with me, patrick christys right here news. make sure you here on gb news. make sure you stay because coming stay locked in because coming up, you on the up, we'll bring you more on the biggest strike in frankly as biggest nhs strike in frankly as well. i'm not afraid to ask some rather uncomfortable questions relating pensions and upfront paid . you coming out the paid. you know, coming out the union barons even. we certainly do a the picket lines do have a on the picket lines essentially can essentially from what i can gather, lot more gather, they want a lot more upfront pay and they don't want to go near your pensions. yeah. all fine but i want to be all right, fine but i want to be six foot nine great six foot nine and great at football. it all football. we can't have it all people have it all. gb people can't have it all. gb news, don't you? i'm also going to getting stuck into to be getting stuck into the latest it to latest when it comes to a grooming gang case. oh, the outlets, they shy away from it. we will not. we're going to be having debate as. well, having a big debate as. well, about or not think

about whether or not you think people refused asylum people who are refused asylum here given the here should be given the opportunity to appeal against that back in that refusal or not to back in said .

welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, go with me patrick christys on gb news a hour of news coming your way. mystery deepens over the missing dog walker in lancashire , the walker in lancashire, the largest strike in nhs . tory fury largest strike in nhs. tory fury over illegal immigration and even a little bit on prince harry's virginity. the serious stuff. first up, the case of missing dog nicola bailey keeps getting more and more mysterious experts suggest that she may not be in the river at all. the family accused the police of not doing enough and now called an independent underwater. we will cross live to lancashire , the cross live to lancashire, the latest and hopefully later we

will actually be speaking to the man heading up this latest dive operation. so we'll find out exactly taking place there. also this hour, should nurses get less pension and more up front pay less pension and more up front pay when you find out size of their pension, you might be inclined to agree. that's solution. the health secretary, steve barclay, has downplayed the size of strikes despite the size of nhs strikes despite of thousands of workers but getting biggest in the getting the biggest in the service's history until next week. no doubt that will be the biggest walkout anyway. a picket line secretary line earlier. general secretary of college nursing of the royal college of nursing said continue until said action will continue until the government listens to their demands . government has chosen demands. government has chosen to punish the nurses of england instead getting around a table and talking me about pay in the same way, as they've done in west london scotland , a whopping west london scotland, a whopping great big pension . anyway, great big pension. anyway, richard sunak is being accused of willy waving and, not really wanting to get this out of the. he also wants to stop channel migrants being able to appeal against their deportation. tories say hey, at least we want to stop the boats. labour not

get in touch . email get in touch. email gbviews@gbnews.uk to ones for you today. should nurses more up from pay less pensions ? save the from pay less pensions? save the taxpayer a few quid to cost of living crisis? also, should asylum seekers be able to appeal that deportation ? that deportation? gbviews@gbnews.uk all that coming your way after these headunes. coming your way after these headlines . but patrick, thanks headlines. but patrick, thanks very much indeed . and good very much indeed. and good evening to you. the top story tonight on gb news the number of dead from an earthquake has hit southeastern turkey in the early hours of this morning. has now 2200 people. the 7.8 magnitude earthquake struck an area near the border with . syria, leaving the border with. syria, leaving thousands more injured and has caused widespread devastation to infrastructure and homes in both countries . turkey's president countries. turkey's president erdogan described the earthquake as the worst to hit his country for decades . here, the foreign

for decades. here, the foreign secretary the government is sending aid to turkey , should sending aid to turkey, should arrive around 11:00 tonight. so we have deployed a large search rescue team with state the art lifesaving equipment . they will lifesaving equipment. they will be deploying to turkey very . we be deploying to turkey very. we sadly have already seen many thousands of people die. we do not know the full extent of the injuries or fatality sizes. and suddenly they are likely to over the coming days. stage we not aware of any british fatalities but of course it's too easy to fault early for us to say that be the case. james cleverly speaking there will a man been found guilty of murdering a woman and her young daughter before burying them under his kitchen floor. andrew innes, killed 25 year old ben lindbergh and two year old jessica. the 52 year old was also convict of

sexually abusing the toddler and raping another child his home in dundee between february , march dundee between february, march 2021. and is now facing life imprisonment with each murder carrying a mandate , a life carrying a mandate, a life sentence . tens of thousands of sentence. tens of thousands of nurses in ambulance staff in england are taking part in the biggest walk out the history of the nhs today. biggest walk out the history of the nhs today . the royal college the nhs today. the royal college of nursing staging two days of strikes in a dispute pay ambulance crews and call handlers will return to work tomorrow, but resume industrial action on friday. the health secretary steve barclay says a resolution needs to come . the resolution needs to come. the independent pay review body that there's been ongoing pressures on the nhs inflate and has been higher since last year's pay review. the process than was originally forecast for example in the spending review 2021. and that's why we've got the evidence in terms of april that we're working with the trade on that will reflect the inflation

reflect those circumstances but it should be done through the independent pay review the process that can look at both the needs but , also the the nhs needs but, also the wider needs of the economy and the other pressures that many of your viewers are facing . well, your viewers are facing. well, the general secretary of , the the general secretary of, the royal college of nursing, pat cullen , has said, as you saw at cullen, has said, as you saw at the top of the hour, the government is punishing nurses as well. today marks the 16th and final strike day for teachers in scotland who also walked out in a dispute over pay more action is on the horizon after . talks failed between after. talks failed between teaching unions and hollyrood. they're demanding 10% pay rise for their members of the scottish government offered five. a woman has been arrested on suspicion of murder after four people, including three young children, were found seriously injured in huddersfield . police were called huddersfield. police were called to an address on walpole road earlier on this morning after receiving a report of concern for safety from the ambulance service . officers believe

service. officers believe serious were caused by a bladed weapon. all four people have been taken to hospital treatment and a private underwater rescue company has been searching river wyre today lancashire for missing mum of two nicola bully. the specialist diving company sgi has been brought in to help police after ms. bully vanished over a week ago. police the 45 year old may have fallen into the river, but her family and friends have questioned hypothesis, saying there's no to support it . and that comes after support it. and that comes after news . kptv pictures were news. kptv pictures were released from the day disappeared, which showed the mother of two loading her car before , driving her two children before, driving her two children to school. ceo founder of the diving company sgi peter folding says there to support the police . well we've been tasked by lancashire police. we're working closely with them. so we're going to be coming down from the weir and we're going down the estuary. there's a fair stretch of river and we'll be looking at

the bottom is deep in places, shallow in places. police i believe think that she's in air and obviously that's where the evidence actually pointing. yes. at the moment, evidence actually pointing. yes. at the moment , the police are at the moment, the police are doing a great job. it's a big task for lancashire police do this is a particularly long stretch river to search and we just bring that back up resource work closely with them at this instant and in sorry epsom has asked for time and after the schools headmistress and her family were dead the bodies of emma patterson her daughter lettie and her husband george were found the boarding school in the early hours of morning surrey police investigating but they say they're confident it's an isolated incident with no third party involvement . that's third party involvement. that's gb news at this hour. more in half an hour now back to .

patrick welcome back. wonderful people. less crack on, shall we? former conservative minister paul maynard has told the commons today that speculation as well as members of the public turning up at st michael's wyre is up at st michael's on wyre is hampering investigation into the missing mother two. nicola politics of course that case politics is of course that case that everyone talking about right across the country earlier today, underwater search experts arrived . help look for the arrived. help look for the missing dog walker. a mother of two who vanished on a walk at a beauty spot on the river. wyre police working on the police have been working on the theory that the 45 year old fell into the river, but her family and friends have questioned the police there's not enough police that there's not enough evidence police evidence. in fact, the police themselves actually say is themselves did actually say is crucially just a theory and it is all getting rather mysterious , me now is , isn't it? joining me now is former detective scotland former detective at scotland yard mike neville, who yard is mike neville, who previously oversaw a missing persons unit in lambeth knows a thing or two around this kind of case. thank you very much. great to have you on the show. we did

have a forensic expert on on the weekend on easter. phil's show actually raising his own concerns about whether or not nicola is actually in the. and frankly this is this case at the minute seems to come to down doesn't it? is she in the river or not? your views are absolutely. i mean, i think lancashire police have gone out of their way to, to look at cctv trace witnesses and do all sorts of other traditional policing to try and find her. when people go in a river they do vanish for some time. you look there was a tragic case a couple of years go i'm sorry not who . it was i'm sorry not who. it was a fireman who fell into the river in sussex . and he was found to in sussex. and he was found to 12 days later , eight miles away 12 days later, eight miles away from where he'd ? fallen in from where he'd? fallen in towards the estuary of river. so it just shows how somebody can go into a river and vanish for a long time. so the use of this sonar seems to be a very good move. i'm surprised initially the police refused that assistance, but thankfully , now

assistance, but thankfully, now that they're using it . but assistance, but thankfully, now that they're using it. but i'm absolutely sure that the police won't be just putting all their eggsin won't be just putting all their eggs in one basket. lots of say they've put out cctv of potential witnesses may have seen something. they've been tracing cctv and they've been looking at the mobile . so i do looking at the mobile. so i do think the lancashire police are doing as much as they can at the moment on this case. you mentioned there, mike, that in your research they've said that they turned down so initially that would potentially to be an oversight on her. no, i just think sometimes the police are very insular. you know, they don't like to look for outside help, whether it's academics , help, whether it's academics, forensic experts or other. i mean, i've spent my time a retired officer science, the look, you know, i've got some skills. i'll come back and help you. and they so. no, no, no. can do it all ourselves. and even one another. force offers on assistance as often resistance, you know, even the ripper inquiry, whether

yorkshire at all the london police. you don't need that because they haven't even got their own report yet. you know, all psychologists nonsense all these psychologists nonsense goes and so i think pressure goes on and so i think pressure from the family is late this is sort of this out. and i think when you've got somebody who's an expert who's got a bona fide qualification , nations who can qualification, nations who can show that they've done this sort thing not use them? thing before, why not use them? because they can. it could hopefully either prove the theory or what we would hope. it doesn't prove theory. and she's alive somewhere. well well, fingers crossed. and we all hope now and the case has springs to mind for me about getting independent experts in the independent experts in was the sad of emiliano sala, the sad case of emiliano sala, the footballer. went footballer. the plane went down in know the story in the we all know the story there. but of course it was similar to actually outside companies potentially with more technology or more able to use it. so whatever we managed to actually locate that and then of course recover the body in that case. christine, your view? you obviously years and years and years of experience dealing with missing unit in number missing persons unit in number speculation some of the

speculation some of the speculation online and i'm at pains point this out now has been utterly and i want to been utterly and i don't want to go that rabbit hole. but go down that rabbit hole. but the if not in the river, the idea if not in the river, would mean that she is gone missing someone else is potentially taken out. how difficult is it to just go missing terms of on land in the uk ? cctv cameras everywhere ? uk? cctv cameras everywhere? absolutely. so that's not area of expertise. cctv to actually find the this is almost impossible because at some point you'll need money you'll need to make contact with somebody . make contact with somebody. things like fitbits and, eye watches. if you remember case of the greek helicopter pilot who murdered his the way that they knew he was lying in the dock at the time that she died was the apple watch showed the time a heartbeat that stopped . and also heartbeat that stopped. and also you can track people like so in from time i ran that unit 20 from the time i ran that unit 20 years ago you know we know got even more cctv we've all sorts of devices. and of course

there's been some wicked speculation, i think, about the family and the like. but of course the family have got home. so you see tv and all these alexa's and all these sort of devices, prove, look, i devices, they can prove, look, i was this at that time , you was in this at that time, you know, so that in a way that technology survives in the technology that survives in the last ten years can really help the place to rule out a theories about who is doing this. because of course, when anybody goes missing , the police have to look missing, the police have to look at the family. missing, the police have to look at the family . we know that at the family. we know that that's the first. but with these devices is it's much easier now to right. this alibi is absolutely we've got cctv we've got a phone so sorry tracking that this person was in this place that time and i just think too often some people are there too often some people are there to help and they do help the and they go on search teams or they put forward information. but some people are just wicked and vile and social media, of course , made that even worse. well yeah. and also the fact that there been some pretty sinister cases in the past where there's been amounts of public support

and then something nefarious. and we've seen all seen that. we've all seen the crocodile tears, obviously. we've all seen the crocodile tears of the relatives saying, i wish , you relatives saying, i wish, you know, my daughter by comes back soon and but i think in this case lancashire police have got no way to show that that is not the case. yeah, but so she returns. well wherever , wherever returns. well wherever, wherever she is. fingers crossed. absolutely. and i look i think one way or the other, as long as she's found to, because it must be hell for this family and the friends and it must as well be how for the police? because we've just addressed is i think we've just addressed is i think we right by the way some we were right do by the way some pretty speculation has taken place but also as well the pressure the police are pressure that the police are under it's good for them under and it's not good for them is, one way the is, i think, one way or the other. obviously, this other. obviously, hopefully this case quickly and with case is solved quickly and with the possible outcome. the best possible outcome. but i thank very much. i don't thank you very much. i don't believe before, believe we've spoken before, but let's again very let's talk to you again very soon. hopefully on something slightly depressing that slightly less depressing that might former might never. who is the former superintendent scotland? might never. who is the former superintendent scotland ? and superintendent at scotland? and of crucially in relation

of course, crucially in relation to this story, oversaw a missing persons unit in lambeth for a number years now. moving on the biggest day of strikes in the nhs history until the next one of has been taking place of course has been taking place today with ambulance workers on nurses out their nurses walking out in their ongoing get rishi sunak ongoing bid to. get rishi sunak to negotiating table. to the negotiating table. labour's secretary labour's shadow health secretary said it's the prime said it's time the prime minister swallows his pride and increases for nhs staff. fascinating though, isn't it? because it's taken him a while to actually say i would have labour now overtly behind labour now are overtly behind kind of pay increase, although i'm not sure he's perfect on it. but the deadlock looks set to. continue as the royal college of nursing committed to its call for backdated health for a backdated pay rise, health secretary steve barclay's insisted focus on insisted the talks will focus on looking the future. look looking towards the future. look not groundhog we all know not groundhog day. we all know where joining me where we are, okay. joining me now anne—marie rafferty, now is dame anne—marie rafferty, who former of who is the former president of rc and professor of nursing policy. great to have you on the show. thank you very much. can you just address something for me? because i've got some figures about about pension figures here about about pension contributions. a contributions. okay. and a lot

of will wondering why of people will be wondering why on isn't being on earth this isn't being spoken about more. nurse , a about a bit more. a nurse, a headune about a bit more. a nurse, a headline wage of 35 grand will actually receive total package equivalent to almost 62 grand. when factor in that pension when you factor in that pension is leading a lot of people to say nurses aren't badly paid, but the way they're paid is bad . well, i'm not an expert on pensions. i'm not actually spokesperson for the royal college of nursing patrick. i have to make that clear. and i'm an at king's college an academic at king's college london, but basically , this london, but basically, this dispute really is about pay and not necessarily about pensions, although pensions may be part of although pensions may be part of a equation. if were actually going to come to the table and negotiate about pay . and one of negotiate about pay. and one of the striking fact was about nurses pay that i think differentiates it from many other health care workers is there's a majority of nurses are actually on the lowest banding which is the start to salary of

28,000 plus and that is actually one of the real problems that they are stuck in what i call they are stuck in what i call the sticky floor and it's not pay the sticky floor and it's not pay it's progression . and of pay it's progression. and of course this dispute is primarily as well about staffing and real concerns about pension. could you state. yeah understand , that you state. yeah understand, that can i just say i, i have limited can ijust say i, i have limited empathy for the patients safety angle on it given that we heard from someone who was on the picket line today who's own mother was being allowed to call an ambulance was taken into hospital at hospital that she was demonstrating outside that day. i can't help but feel though if somebody really thought there were massive monstrous issues with patient safety as a result of our nursing, their own mother had just taken in them and taken into an ambulance and into the hospital she would have got off

the picket line and got in there. we did also hear from someone picket line. he someone in that picket line. he said, it remarkable said, oh, isn't it remarkable the doesn't need to the government doesn't need to introduce anti laws as introduce anti laws because as we've seen there remarkably we've seen in there remarkably actually organised during actually better organised during the strikes i mean is just about pay the strikes i mean is just about pay isn't it . the strikes i mean is just about pay isn't it. no it's about and you know nursing the most important force because of the 24 seven you know, getting up close to patients facility and protective shield that we have in relation to patient safe . and in relation to patient safe. and i think you know our research that quite categorically that lower staffing levels that's the law that plants levels actually increases patient's chances of dying . i okay i look i can dying. i okay i look i can obviously i'm being a bit provocative here. i can obviously see the logic behind that. but the question is, what is solution? because if i'm is the solution? because if i'm looking at now, an official looking at this now, an official estimate that the pension estimate is that the pension

liabilities , the cost of future liabilities, the cost of future pension liabilities increase by 70 billion quid, 2021, 2022. i think the real figure here is that it think the real figure here is thatitis think the real figure here is that it is now heads the pension . liabilities that it is now heads the pension . liabilitie s £2.6 trillion, . liabilities £2.6 trillion, which is the size of the entire british economy. okay. so when sunak's says we haven't got the money to pay you any more, really much more , he's not really much more, he's not lying, is he? i mean, the british is sympathetic towards nurses . but british is sympathetic towards nurses. but we're not sympathetic to the extent where we have to bankrupt the country well. i think there's a great deal of pushback on this argument , deal of pushback on this argument, public deal of pushback on this argument , public sector pay argument, public sector pay actually being a real driver . actually being a real driver. inflation, i mean, not former deputy governor of the bank of england several economists from the institute studies in current addition the former chief of the who is the secretary actually lord macpherson , all of the

lord macpherson, all of the treasury itself. so i think there's lots of people who dispute fact and i think government just keeps repeating that mantra but actually it doesn't have a basis in real evidence, just clarify. sorry. yeah the government is peddling the line which i do understand is a bit shaky about them saying about oh it will drive inflation. i'm it will to an extent how damaging that will be in the context of other issues is a different question. but this figure just want to this this figure i just want to emphasise official emphasise this now the official estimate is that the cost of future pension liabilities increase by £70 billion and the total for nothing more than liabilities for public sector workers is. now, this isn't speculation. it is workers is. now, this isn't speculation. it i s £2.6 speculation. it is £26 trillion, which is the size of the british economy . leads me the british economy. leads me back to this idea . do you think back to this idea. do you think nurses should take less pension contribution in a more upfront wages? because that's the only way they're going to get that money. well, i honestly comment kind of comment that because it's a very inter issue pension

contribue options are , i think contribue options are, i think doubtless for the purposes of pay doubtless for the purposes of pay negotiation and i don't think you are quite accurate originally patrick and you are opening statements about the royal college of nursing, in particular was actually asking for i mean pat cullen is the general secretary a letter last night . rishi sunak actually night. rishi sunak actually imploring him to call off the strikes by actually matching the pay strikes by actually matching the pay offers that appear to be able to be on the table in wales and scotland that they're much lower than the original ask. i mean, and pat been very nimble and i think agile in actually trying to find a way through this dispute . everyone, in fact this dispute. everyone, in fact has been trying to find way through this dispute . the through this dispute. the government remains entirely . and government remains entirely. and inured to any any requests for

negotiation on paper, say, okay, look , thank you very much, craig look, thank you very much, craig to channels and mary rafferty dave is the former president of the rc and professor of nursing policy. i can now speak to nhs paediatric nurse olivia prince. well olivia thank you very very much. it's great to have you on the show. can i just what your current situation that so are you on strike at the what's going on so currently the way they strike works is based on trust so my per say is not allowed to strike because we haven't reached the majority . so haven't reached the majority. so we're not able to strike that we, the nurses don't want do what we essentially cannot just to pick up on that. if you the nurses had wanted, you would have voted for it, didn't you? but not enough. you yeah, we all, all vote for it. all my all, we all vote for it. all my colleagues vote for it. we speak about it openly. but unfortunately need to reach unfortunately you need to reach a across the a certain number across the entire you're entire trust before you're allowed to strike. so unfortunately, we just we just got out . so does that mean

got out. so does that mean sorry, maybe i'm being a bit sick? does that mean that across the not enough nurses the trust not enough nurses voted to strike over pay and conditions ? yeah. so every the conditions? yeah. so every the trust everyone had to reach the 50% to be able to strike as a trusts we weren't able to that or do it. there was a huge majority, but therefore means that we weren't able to strike essentially . yeah, there was , essentially. yeah, there was, but it wasn't there wasn't a huge majority, was there though? not enough. the way it works, if enough people had voted for it, you would be on strike. you know, essentially just we just all needed to reach 50. and all needed to reach the 50. and we're not to do that. and some people might say that that could indicate that . not enough nurses indicate that. not enough nurses actually really think there is a crisis of pay and conditions in the nhs that i think that said , the nhs that i think that said, that's a tricky way of looking at it. i think it's more it have to be has to do more if are we

allowed to and it has to do more . the fact that imagine if every nurse across the uk across the world, everyone decided , you world, everyone decided, you know what, we're actually going to strike. and when we stop working, it's going to go in crisis. the nhs not absolutely surviving . it would be surviving. it would be definitely much worse than what it is right now and that means that what puts in our profession are risk. we have chosen to care for people and if we all decided we're not to strike, it means we're not to strike, it means we're to work. making the we're going to work. making the decision to allow to die. decision to allow people to die. but course we're not going to but of course we're not going to do that. of course, some are going break not not to go on going to break not not to go on strike. and it's absolutely understandable. can i just ask you bit pressed you quite quickly bit pressed for time but an important for time but it's an important issue this would you personally willing to take more money upfront right now in your basic salary if it meant a lower contribution your pension say the way i say issue about

pension it's quite tricky in the sense that the pension is not the problem. i personally wouldn't take more money upfront to then have less money doing my but i wouldn't less pension to have more money upfront i wouldn't do it vice versa the. point is the government should be able reallocate the money properly the way money is being used for public sector , it used for public sector, it should be able to be reallocate ated in a way where nest is to get decent pay. this is not decent pay. it's absolutely decent pay. it's absolutely decent pay. it's absolutely decent pay. and if you think about to the pension we're getting it's ridiculous because think about it for the amount of what you do to your career as a nurse, you have so many damages that that your body go through, you're mentally some people have problems . you have skeletal, problems. you have skeletal, muscular problems where your bones are aching having a pension. that's bare minimum. i know. absolutely no one said it's an easy job and i'm certainly not saying it. what i am saying is and i'll just keep using figure because it is large

is that for nothing more than the pension liabilities for pubuc the pension liabilities for public sector workers as a whole. so the amount that we are paying whole. so the amount that we are paying or we owe people like yourself for pensions now is the equivalent to the size of the entire british economy . and entire british economy. and there is a big world out there . there is a big world out there. do the taxpayers really have to do more for you if not more? it means that the government is it's not able to allocate and distribute the money they have to look after properly in society. it means that the way share in the money across everyone in society is not being . and so it means that if you now who you have an access but then there are some people that are lacking on a struggling means you are not able to manage your money properly . the your money properly. the government is struggling to manage to distribute manage the way to distribute money it's money properly and. it's not reasonable then the that reasonable because then the that are essential for society , which are essential for society, which are essential for society, which are the nurses, the doctors the paramedics. we're getting less pay- paramedics. we're getting less pay. okay so what would what

would so what would solve this is the radical redistribution of wealth, isn't it? absolutely absolutely. or thank you very much. that's is of course nhs paediatric nurse olivia principal great to have you on the show right you with patrick christys on gb news. coming up, be ahead to a gb news be looking ahead to a gb news programme on the police to crack down on child grooming gangs in rotherham . yes, important case. rotherham. yes, important case. very important case. i'll be back in a sec .

it's just after 530. i'm polly middlehurst. here are the headunes middlehurst. here are the headlines and number of people killed in the turkey earthquake stands at more than 2200 people. the 7.8 magnitude quake in the early hours of this morning and was followed by several aftershocks , including one that

aftershocks, including one that measured 7.5. the epicentre was near the border with syria , near the border with syria, causing widespread damage . causing widespread damage. thousands of people being injured in both . the uk is injured in both. the uk is sending in help with search and rescue aid equipment on way in scotland, a man has been found guilty murdering a woman and her young daughter , burying them young daughter, burying them under his kitchen floor. andrew innes , 25 year old ben lindbergh innes, 25 year old ben lindbergh and two year old jessica, the 52 year old was also convicted of sexually abusing the toddler and raping child at his home in dundee between february and march 2021 and is now faces life imprisonment with each murder carrying a mandatory life sentence and the partner missing woman, nicola billy, has released a statement. in it, paul ansell says been ten days now since nicola went missing. and i have two little girls who miss their mummy desperately and who need her back. earlier, a private underwater search team began helping the police search

the river wye in lancashire for the river wye in lancashire for the mother of two. police believe she may have fallen into river, but her family and friends questioned theory, friends have questioned theory, saying still no to saying there's still no to support it . and the nhs is support it. and the nhs is facing huge disruption today as tens thousands of nurses and ambulance staff england go on strike in. the biggest walkout in the service's history. the royal college of nursing is beginning a two day strike in a dispute over pay ambulance crews and call handlers will return to work tomorrow , but will continue work tomorrow, but will continue industrial action on friday. the health secretary, steve barclay, says a resolution the strikes needs to come through . the needs to come through. the independent pay review body . independent pay review body. those are headlines. you're up to date on tv , online and dab, to date on tv, online and dab, plus radio with gb news. back now to . now to. patrick welcome back, ladies and gentlemen , two men charged with

gentlemen, two men charged with a series of offences including rape linked to an investigation into child abuse . rotherham have into child abuse. rotherham have both pleaded not guilty and sheffield crown court today is the latest . the national crime the latest. the national crime agency operation wood looking into allegations of child sexual abuse in rotherham . all of those abuse in rotherham. all of those cases dealt with between 1997 and 2013. now to date , 1367 and 2013. now to date, 1367 crimes have been recorded. 209 people arrested and. 20 people have been convicted of offences. crucially though the nca is saying that that is set to rise earlier on the show. i spoke to a partner in sex abuse team and hugh solicitors about the recent finding in this case was identified was that a large number of the perpetrate parties came from the asian community and there was a great sensitive city about that and maybe the sensitivity was misplaced . but i sensitivity was misplaced. but i think what we now understand is you can't dodge the issues.

you've got to be objective and you've got to accept when you're looking at these very unpleasant and difficult issues. but you can't you can't prejudge and you can't you can't prejudge and you can't ring fence. you've got to be objective. and i that was the big message that has come that, you know, you told you've got to have the right attitude you will have the right attitude you will have the right ethos. and also you've got to be prepared to look into issues for a very and unpleasant to do with . yeah. and unpleasant to do with. yeah. and just that the individual that was responding to comments i made which was about the fact that did seem at the time and indeed it's been revealed about the it's officially the time it's officially revealed fear of revealed that for fear of wanting know wanting to stoke wanting to know wanting to stoke racial tensions. basically what police is essentially trying police did is essentially trying to just smooth over some whopping great big problems . whopping great big problems. those problems that there those problems being that there are frankly, pretty are grooming, frankly, in pretty much every major town city in the uk and the demographics do not make for nice reading. it makes for uncomfortable reading,

in fact. joining is in fact. joining me now is documentary filmmaker easy for me to say charlie sullivan but he had to goes again not right already on the show but gb news is documentary filmmaker charlie peters matters. peters back to serious matters. charlie it doesn't take a genius to work the incidents like this and accusations certainly , and accusations certainly, convictions aren't going to increase, aren't there? yes. and this is part of the seismic operation it by the national crime agency. it's worth noting that alexis professor that when alexis jay, professor alexis reports alexis jay, her reports reviewing the crisis in rotherham in 2014, in august of that year, found that that year, she found that a conservative estimate 1400 young girls had been exploited, trafficked rates and abused over a 16 year, 16 year period from 97 to 2013. now, operation stupid was started a year later to, cover up the tracks and go over what had been done and investigate well have been missed by south yorkshire police at the time and they have missed at the time and they have missed a lot. so the national crime agency now revised figure agency now revised that figure 1400, up to 1510 local experts on the ground actually told me

that the figure could higher, some say close to 2000 because a lot of these people working in rotherham and working in social services or childcare for the best part of three decades and never forget a name. no, no, indeed. and it does appear to me anyway, that there was some kind of initial botched investigation and rumbled for, in and cases rumbled on for, in some decades. and then some cases decades. and then there eventually who there was eventually someone who was book, some people was brought to book, some people being brought then we being brought to book. then we have an inquiry fact have to an inquiry into the fact that weren't done that things weren't done properly we have properly initially. then we have to inquiry into that as to have an inquiry into that as well. bonkers. the lack of well. it's bonkers. the lack of action, think frustrated action, i think has frustrated a lot people and the reason why lot of people and the reason why the reason why the national crime agency's in. crime agency's efforts in. rotherham and make rotherham also loaded and make for reassuring coverage for a reassuring news coverage is that it's action, it's things. finally changing because action has been the thing that's been from rotherham and dozens of towns across the of other towns across the country this issue. there country in this issue. there have reports, there have have been reports, there have been when comes been reviews, but when it comes to accountability to actually for accountability we a lot of that. and we don't see a lot of that. and when it comes to efforts new efforts to seek justice for thousands girls who have been thousands of girls who have been

denied decades. finally denied it for decades. finally we results the we see some results with the nca. i never forget as long as i work journalism, a media that work in journalism, a media that a very, very, very prominent news outlet had to the telford grooming gang scandal, which was at the time the uk's largest grooming gang scandal. they buned grooming gang scandal. they buried down on their local shropshire page and did put it on their home page until a massive, massive . and then even massive, massive. and then even then it was only on for a little bit. which is why here a gb news wanted to go against the grain, go against the and highlight an issue the most people i think would like to see pretty much front and centre a lot of front and centre of a lot of these judges. you're just these judges. you're doing just that. quite is that. something quite big is happening on saturday happening here on on saturday it. quite right soon it. that's quite right soon after the crown the report into telford was released last july. i investigating for gb i started investigating for gb news this issue of the grooming gang scandal across the country . i joined in october and the first documentary for gb news investigates grooming gangs. britain's out this britain's shame is out this saturday 8 pm. uncovering the i think in a way that nobody else

has done before, which just taking a national honest look at this instead of focusing this problem instead of focusing too a small too much neatly on a small cases. take a broad, cases. we take a broad, statistical look at the issue as a whole and speak to many of the whistleblowers, activists and survivors involved. saturday, april . that's survivors involved. saturday, april. that's right. charlie thank you very, very much, charlie peters our is documentary filmmaker won't want to miss out lies two gentlemen a lot of you've been covering for it and actually it's going to happen now so good, right? moving the weekend, was moving over the weekend, it was reported prime minister reported that the prime minister would out of would be prepared to pull out of the convention of the european convention of rights if they were deemed his new policies unlawful. new migrant policies unlawful. so some of policies, by the way, included not allowing fellow asylum seekers, the to appeal that. and then just them. but earlier afternoon, downing street said any plan which they are working on to tackle the small boats would be compliant with the ecj charter. so we are just being fed yet more, aren't we? some would say . richard we? some would say. richard sunak at home. secretary suella braverman are working on some of the country

the strictest laws our country has to make it illegal has seen yet to make it illegal for anyone travels here for anyone who travels here illegally asylum . i illegally to claim asylum. i mean, i'm not being funny. haven't they always been? we've got strictest laws. the got the strictest laws. the strictest we're going to do strictest laws we're going to do this do that. at what this with goes do that. at what point do you think we just stop listening? i suspect that be very, soon. well, joining very, very soon. well, joining me labour mp me now is former labour party mp stephen m for a pat a pound. good lad. david, do you have any any any belief whatsoever ? rishi any any belief whatsoever? rishi sunak even wants to pull out of ehcr, let alone whether or not you think should. i don't believe does in all honesty. the problem got here is that the basically whistling in the wind. on the one hand, they're trying to in fact, there's to talk, but in fact, there's a complete here. we complete lack action here. we all know , you know. you know, all know, you know. you know, you'd leading on this. would you'd be leading on this. would say, you know, we should actually be placing in actually be placing people in secure accommodation soon as secure accommodation as soon as they whether it's they arrive, whether it's been a master an air or whatever. master an air base or whatever. who should actually who knows? but should actually be assessed, fingerprinted, fingerprinted. that. and fingerprinted. don't that. and they should be classified. and we know where we are at moment. the bit, the contract , the the other bit, the contract, the european on human

european commission on human rights legislation rights, british legislation is a stormy and it's a complete nonsense. we've got the enough legislation and with our own hands. but then to say that, whatever we do is going to be compliant with the european legislate. well, look, that's. i'm sorry . legislate. well, look, that's. i'm sorry. makes a nonsense. either we don't. i'm either we do or we don't. i'm very, very proud that we do stick human rights law stick to the human rights law that we have the rest of that we have in the rest of europe. and i'm proud to be europe. and i'm very proud to be a of a country that does a member of a country that does that. but try to blame that. but to try to blame that on an total failure , a on an utter, total failure, a complete incompetence of the home which, as everybody home office, which, as everybody knows, utterly not fit for purpose, the force is purpose, and the border force is not given the resources not being given the resources and which and the government, which is simply this from simply not taking this from where i'm sitting. all the currently have to do if they want to quote some quotes when there's no winners on this win on the migrant crisis is to basically just keep shamelessly saying to people like you and i, we're working on the toughest laws. yeah. oh, look , might do laws. yeah. oh, look, might do this. here's a piece of paper. these all right, on it. and we'll rip up because currently,

stephen labour, with respect , stephen labour, with respect, don't really want to do anything . it's a choice between two pull solutions . well, i believe he solutions. well, i believe he may be a labour does want to do something because we're not totally you know, we're not the feeling on the street is out there. we're actually talking it and can take a deep breath before you hear the finish the end this sentence. we're end of this sentence. we're actually cards actually talking id cards because moment, actually talking id cards because moment , this a because at the moment, this is a brilliant system where you can wander into country, go down wander into the country, go down to a hotel, stroll out of the hotel, get a job in a car wash. you get a job in any unregulated workforce. don't have to workforce. you don't have to prove you are. after prove who you are. and after three guess you three years, guess what? you apply regular apply for the regular regularisation overstays you regularisation overstays and you can residence. it's can get a full residence. it's economics in many cases. i'm not denying that there are a huge number of people and that really gets my goat. is it the people who the who actually are suffering the women still in some women and afghanis still in some of families in africa. of the families in africa. i think this the thing that's got to get everything. these are the middle people. there's middle class people. there's complain need to complain that people need to come to. surgery week

come to. my surgery every week i paid agent you know you paid paid an agent you know you paid an age did you get money an age where did you get money from hospital for. but also from the hospital for. but also stephen there is there a limit to the public acceptance when you coach after coach you seeing coach after coach coach of young arriving and i'm sorry but at some point someone has to go look. shouldn't really mostly women and mostly women and children the most people out there. one would have thought. and in fact the absolute reverse true and i think it's fair to say that there is a little bit of a mickey check thing going here. how would you feel, stephen, though, about the idea that comes over a that someone comes over on a boat, get hearing, maybe boat, they get a hearing, maybe a couple days, they get told a couple of days, they get told that get asylum over that not able to get asylum over here and then they're not to appeal that because in theory thatis appeal that because in theory that is what rishi sunak is at saying that he wants to do at some point. would you feel about that ? due to what some point. would you feel about that? due to what i some point. would you feel about that ? due to what i would feel that? due to what i would feel is that that's exactly what we're doing in is what we're doing in sweden is what we're doing in sweden is what we're is what we're doing in norway is what doing great many other doing a great many other countries europe, some of countries in europe, some of them savoury. mean, them less savoury. i mean, i think what they're doing,

hungary a little bit hungary is a little bit worrying, scandinavian worrying, but other scandinavian countries very similar to us simply enough we simply simply said enough is we simply cannot go on with this and we all that there's push all know that there's a push and, cool with this and and, a cool factor with this and the push is very often it is impossible you to where impossible for you to say where you are. we know that we should be supportive of the united nafions be supportive of the united nations for nations high commission for refugees should be refugees and we should be supporting the cool supporting them. but the cool factor can factor is the idea that you can come here, work, job. you know what we used to call on black economy? grown up now economy? we grown up now where people tax and i say people don't pay tax and i say without cards, they don't without id cards, they don't have they are. i'm have to prove who they are. i'm sorry. it's an absolute a sorry. it's an absolute it's a holiday. come over. we have six months boots, shovel holiday. come over. we have six montiand boots, shovel holiday. come over. we have six montiand buildioots, shovel holiday. come over. we have six montiand build a)ts, shovel holiday. come over. we have six montiand build a palacejel holiday. come over. we have six montiand build a palace. yeah, home and build a palace. yeah, a five bedroom house in tirana. thank you very much, stephen. and as ever, and great stuff as ever, stephen. former labour party stephen. the former labour party mp gosh, who would mp id cards. gosh, who would have thought as have thought they? look as a massive mickey taking game on at the you knock the minute richie see you knock i particularly buy that he i don't particularly buy that he wants to do it that be wants to do it that you will be able anything about able to do anything about getting us out the eye. what's the point? getting out 20 the point? getting us out 20 then that then comply with that legislation way. it's legislation in any way. it's window how would you window dressing. how would you

feel coming feel about people coming over here, rejected then here, being rejected and then not to appeal? people not being able to appeal? people are it will keep those are saying it will keep those lefty lawyers out of it. your views news don't views gb views a gb news don't uk you're with me patrick christys up the uk shortest serving minister truss serving prime minister liz truss ironically who gave way ironically actually who gave way to uk shortest prime to the uk shortest prime minister spoken out. in her minister has spoken out. in her first broadcast interview since leaving yes, that's leaving number 10. yes, that's we'll get the very latest next. and after harry shared an intimate moment in his memoir as he explained how he lost his virginity , the who we lost virginity, the woman who we lost it has now out. it's it safe has now spoken out. it's high brow stuff. we'll have the latest prince harry's latest on prince harry's virginity in a second .

okay people let's trust is reminding everyone that she has in fact outlived lettuce as she says. thou back into the public eye after her sudden

resignation. just 44 days into her premiership , it was the turn her premiership, it was the turn of the telegraph to hear her side of the mini budget saga. and in last half hour, which is really what we're doing it now, an interview with the spectator has been aired liz truss shared that she didn't expect the extremity of to her mini budget once she made it into number 10 clip now i think one of the things i underestimate it was this the sort of scale of the orthodoxy said during the leadership election campaign. i talked to about the treasury orthodoxy. i talked the fact that we ended up in a situation where we had the highest taxes for 70 is you had quite big government so i believed it was doable but i knew it would be tough . i just probably didn't tough. i just probably didn't realise quite how tough . okay, realise quite how tough. okay, so look, essentially let's trust this line is that she to do something nimble and off wall to an extent anyway and that she

was blocked from doing it by a load of dogmatic orthodox economists who frankly the strings on ostracising whilst downing street has that prime minister rishi sunak will always to former prime ministers, but will you still hear her out? and are you ready to give liz truss another chance? joining me now is political commentator. remember him, political commentator as well , double down commentator as well, double down on political commentators on the political commentators author. nadler stuff. author. jo—anne nadler stuff. right. graeme, since you've bothered to make it into the studio, i will. i'll start with you rave. do you think that liz truss can make a comeback? i think she has made a comeback. look, i think that, you know, the downfall of liz truss was the downfall of liz truss was the biggest political tragedy of my that liz my lifetime. i think that liz truss the free maverick that truss was the free maverick that we really, really we you know, we really, really neededin we you know, we really, really needed in this country. she wanted to implement those supply side she said in side reforms from as she said in the the the interview and in the telegraph, that she telegraph, i say that she challenged by the treasury or orthodoxy to try and change things and they did allow her, the establishment refused let the establishment refused to let her it . joanna, we'll her change it. joanna, we'll bnng

her change it. joanna, we'll bring now, joanne. do you bring you now, joanne. do you think that liz truss is any like system when it comes to the fact that she was brought down by this kind of. mr. left wing economic cabal ? well, i mean, i economic cabal? well, i mean, i think she's right that the establishment is resistant to change. and she was and i wanted to really quite a lot of change quickly. but i think what both her article and her interview seems to underestimate is the human element that's essential in politics. she discusses the whole thing as if it's purely technocratic because we often hear that rishi sunak's, a technocrat . but yeah, language technocrat. but yeah, language her manner it's very technical as i say . and i mean one of the as i say. and i mean one of the reasons perhaps why the treasury won't totally on board with what she was doing is of the first things she did was sack senior officials there . and it's quite officials there. and it's quite difficult bring people on difficult to bring people on side if you've come in in manner. so i think, you know what, with liz with liz

what, we saw with liz with liz truss is somebody has some truss is somebody who has some very ideas on the economy very good ideas on the economy but isn't a very adept but who just isn't a very adept politician . yeah, i think politician. yeah, i think there's a of really, really valid points that you just made. joanne i'll throw it back to you. is this actually the elephant in the room when it comes to liz truss, which is that she didn't have or possibly doesn't have the human qualities in order to really through the unusual economic that she wants. well she's not a natural communicator she's not a politician. but that means she doesn't lie to us. she told us what the situation was . she told what the situation was. she told us how. bob, the government orthodoxy was, how bad treasury really was, how much we spending. we've got the highest taxes 70 years. we've all been talking about how bad this tax burden is , how bad the burden is, how bad the constituency, conservative constituency, the conservative party particularly party haven't been particularly conservative special economic policy while . the mini policy for a while. the mini budget wasn't that radical. i mean, it was essentially reversal of the tax, the tax rises that were implemented in april. so i think that what we

really is that liz really see here is that liz truss the right idea. yes. truss had the right idea. yes. she she's not you she even herself, she's not you know, not natural know, she's not natural communicator. she's not a politician . the sort of politician. the sort of traditional that think they traditional way that think they should but that means she should be. but that means she was honest. she told us the truth and she tried to change it. joanne you it. and joanne can see you shaking little bit. shaking your head a little bit. i on. well, i am because frankly if you put yourself up the premier political position in the country that it's not really good enough say she's not good enough say well she's not a politician . i understand politician. i understand what really essentially trying to really is essentially trying to say more authentic say something more authentic about her. we we've got used to people and politicians being disingenuous. but the is you need to be able to carry through your agenda and if you don't have any of those skills you simply end up where she ended up. she spent a great deal of the leadership election trying to persuade us all that she a natural heir to margaret thatcher and margaret thatcher would not have gone about doing what liz truss tried to do in the way she did. and the way that she did. and margaret thatcher, a great deal of time establishing . her

of time establishing. her ideological credentials before she was even even became the party leader let the prime minister. so i don't think she looked at the that that were available her and really took them seriously . just just just. them seriously. just just just. yeah i get that. i'll throw you out because . because, look, out because. because, look, i can't help but wonder or not. history is going to remember. liz truss well, better than we all do right now, frankly, because actually i think if she hadnt because actually i think if she hadn't asked , emulated her hadn't asked, emulated her economic vision better. i think there's a strong to say that she identified some the massive glaring issues only lack growth and high taxes that are taking place in this country. right now. she, by virtue not being able to explain those well enough and getting before has potentially set us back economically quite a long way because we're never going to have again. it's dirty now to try to promote that kind of stuff. i've seen one quite worried about actually, is that i we've to be quite i think we've got to be quite honest about what liberty liberalism is, what free marketeer. free market marketeer. well, free market economics actually looks. that

wasn't truss did , you wasn't what liz truss did, you know, to cut know, she promised to cut cut taxes but unequivocally taxes, but then unequivocally refused cut . you've got to refused to cut. you've got to balance and you've got balance the books and you've got have both of those in there. so i think that what that really shows that actually liz shows us is that actually liz truss right idea but truss had the right idea but then the medicine then administered the medicine incorrectly. joanne, incorrectly. all right, joanne, sorry, give you sorry, i was going to give you the word, but i'm being the last word, but i'm being shouted out now because overrun as always. i'm sure that our as always. but i'm sure that our nafion as always. but i'm sure that our nation thought what nation would have thought what if final, final what a if what a final, final what a great, fantastic final point from right reme, from on that what's right reme, thank much really thank you very much really that on political on joe on. political commentators both. there we go. great stuff what an end to the. i promised that i was going i promised you that i was going to finish the show by talking about prince harry's virginity, but unfortunately, lost guest but unfortunately, we lost guest who that. who is talking to us about that. so i'm going to be to so i'm not going to be able to do. but there you go. at least i've raised it. and i think we can agree the show is much can all agree the show is much better. thank you very much. better. it. thank you very much. you me right here you have been with me right here on news coming is michelle on gb news coming up is michelle dewberry dewbs & co make dewberry with dewbs& co make sure tune for that. for sure you tune in for that. for a rip roaring hour of box office content, dare go anywhere. content, you dare go anywhere. we again? this

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making a great start in the morning. bit rain morning. a little bit of rain across western scotland the west of northern ireland, it's of northern ireland, but it's kind out as it kind of fizzling out as it pushes south, which most of you in wales, again, probably in wales, again, dry probably a cloudier for parts of cloudier day for parts of northern england, but plenty sunshine south once that sunshine in the south once that fog cleared, which may take most of morning, seven or eight of the morning, seven or eight celsius here , the north could celsius here, the north could get 9 to 10. so actually slightly above average in the afternoon sunnier far afternoon, sunnier in the far northwest as we go through the evening, that cloud will stick radical of southern scotland. northern of perhaps pushing into northern england again. the odd spot rain again further south spot of rain again further south frost and fog patches thickening up through the early hours of wednesday morning . on wednesday wednesday morning. on wednesday morning, again may take a while to clear so it's a cold start potentially a foggy start then generally a sunny day, another band of rain. then on coming into the northwest late at and the winds really pick up that's we have the met office yellow warning those winds could cause some problems the far some problems in the far north—west temperature north—west wednesday temperature wise single figures for

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the clock michelle dewberry. and this is dewbs & co, the show this is dewbs& co, the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got you talking now. man's best friend, of course, the four legged variety . get this, the dog attacked are on the rise. you'll remember the awful story of the little four year old last week killed in a back garden . is the law back garden. is the law toothless when it comes to dog attacks? do we need to do more? for example , should we for example, should we reintroduce dog licence ? did reintroduce dog licence? did they make a blind bit of difference the last time we had them? and liz truss, she has been to told both finish the calls she had the