a welcome along, everybody is patrick christys head covering the 8 pm. show today and tomorrow and tomorrow as well. anyway you won't want to miss it. we've got a compelling and cutting show for you this evening. now, over the weekend , evening. now, over the weekend, the times reported that a government are preparing immigration legislation which will bring britain's laws to the boundanes will bring britain's laws to the boundaries of international law. and if it's rejected by the h r, then sunak will happily withdraw. basically will we able to will we be able to deport migrants quicker and at what

cost.7 we'll be looking at a brexit to point out, i i'm joined by stoke on trent north mp jonathan gallus and with me barry very shortly. and today we've got a double whammy of strikes, ambulance dumping nurses coming together to form the largest walkouts in the history nhs . and so history of the nhs. and so probably next week when they'll history of the nhs. and so pro here, next week when they'll history of the nhs. and so prohere, nexlargestwhen they'll history of the nhs. and so pro here, nexlargest walkout ay'll history of the nhs. and so pro here, nexlargest walkout inll be here, the largest walkout in the history anyway. the nhs in history anyway. will you still be banging pots and pans them even when they're pans for them even when they're on picket or on the on the picket line or on the demands hi i will take demands too.7 hi i will take a deep dive into the details and i'll be also to talking a nurse and commentator, sarah jane palmer. i wonder whether or not it's palmer. i wonder whether or not wsfime palmer. i wonder whether or not it's time for them to forego some of that gold plated pensions and have them all up front pay. remember, liz truss, one of the many prime ministers that over the past few that we've had over the past few months. well, back months. well, she's back apparently , and she's upset apparently, and she's upset a few of her colleagues after writing for the writing an essay for the telegraph giving her first telegraph and giving her first interview her swept under interview since her swept under a with the a massive ousting with the spectator political commentator on gb news presenter emily carverjoins on gb news presenter emily carver joins us later on this.

and just to top it all off, the great defining debates of our generation. and i really mean it is and we're also a is indeed. and we're also a watershed moment. the trans watershed moment. it's the trans row. i mean, it's nicola sturgeon's crumbling approval rating after flip flopping more than a pair of flip phelps. he writes this anyway over whether or not a rapist should be held in a woman's prison. it has emerged and lgbt stuff network this i've been advising on prisons in england and wales on whether they should send trans inmates. debbie hayton well how a ludicrous on this one anyway, don't forget about my favourite part of the show. that's right . part of the show. that's right. that's why you've got to give me a right good pummelling. so hold back, away as as you back, pummel away as hard as you like sending your pummel to gb news on gb views dot uk. basically ask me any question and i will answer it any question and i will answer it. gb views and gbnews.uk . that's gb views and gbnews.uk. that's all coming up after the latest headunes all coming up after the latest headlines with polly middleton . headlines with polly middleton. just . patrick, thank you. good

just. patrick, thank you. good evening . the top story on gb evening. the top story on gb news tonight, the number of people killed in the turkey earthquake now reportedly stands at more than 2700. and that number is continuing to rise. the 7.8 magnitude quake hit in the early hours of the morning and was followed throughout the day by dozens of aftershocks that were almost too strong. and that were almost too strong. and that were almost too strong. and that were felt as far away as cyprus . the epicentre was near cyprus. the epicentre was near the border with syria, causing widespread damage to buildings and homes . widespread damage to buildings and homes. thousands of people have been injured in both countries. the uk is tonight sending help to the region. it should arrive , we understand, at should arrive, we understand, at around 11:00 this evening. the foreign secretary james cleverly saying the government isn't aware of any british fatalities as yet, but too early to say . as yet, but too early to say. we'll keep you up to date on that story throughout the evening . now hear the partner of evening. now hear the partner of missing mum, nicola bully, has said it's been a tough time for

her daughters . in a statement her daughters. in a statement released today, paula mansell says it's been ten days now since . nicola went missing and since. nicola went missing and i have two little girls who miss their mummy desperately and who need her back. meanwhile, a private underwater specialist team has joined search for the missing mother of two, focusing on the river in lancashire, near where she went missing. police believe the 45 year old mum may have fallen in, but her family and friends say there's still no evidence to that hypothesis . evidence to that hypothesis. tens of thousands of nurses and ambulance staff in england went on strike today in the biggest walkout in the history of the nhs. the royal college of nursing is staging two days of strikes in a dispute over pay. ambulance crews and call handlers will return to work tomorrow, but will still restart industrial action on friday. the health secretary, steve barclay, says a resolution needs to come through the independent pay review body. the general secretary of the rcn pat cullen

still thinks nurses aren't being paid fairly . nurses deserve and paid fairly. nurses deserve and need a decent pay rise and that will boost the economy, not damage the economy because nurses spend in their local communities. so every nhs worker, including our nurses, deserve a decent pay rise. and here we are in a situation today where this government has to punish the nurses of england instead of getting around a table and talking to me about my pay table and talking to me about my pay in the same way as they have donein pay in the same way as they have done in wales and in scotland . done in wales and in scotland. and today marks the 16th and final strike day for teachers in scotland who also walked out in a dispute over pay more industrial action is on the honzon industrial action is on the horizon after talks failed between the teaching unions and holyrood. the teachers demanding a 10% pay rise for their members after the scottish government only offered . five now football only offered. five now football club manchester city has been charged with breaking financial fair play rules by the premier league. the current league

holders have been accused of more than 100 breaches from 2009 to 2018. over the accuracy of their pay and profit information. if found proven, the club could be docked points or even expelled from the top flight . manchester city issued flight. manchester city issued a statement saying they were surprised and they look forward to the independent review . you to the independent review. you up to date on tv online and dab+ radio with gb news. back now to . patrick right . like i . patrick right. like i said, i've . patrick right . like i said, i've got it right. like i said, i've got it all for you tonight, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to be very shortly anyway, talking about rishi sunak's new, quite unbelievable plans , i think, unbelievable plans, i think, when comes to tackling the when it comes to tackling the migrant. also going to be migrant. i'm also going to be talking or talking about whether or not there some of left wing there is some kind of left wing economic style economic mafia style organisation that pulls the

strings economy . in strings on our economy. in relation what liz truss relation to what liz truss had to i'm a big to say. i'm asking a big question about nurses , an question about nurses, an uncomfortable question. yes, you do job. i've do a wonderful job. i've never saved i've been terrible saved a life. i've been terrible in life and situation. in the life and death situation. i can all agree that. i think we can all agree that. however, you forgo some however, should you forgo some of your gold plated pension in order more up front of your gold plated pension in order more upfront, order to have more up front, therefore, frankly saving the taxpayer a bit of one wonga. but i want to start in scotland tonight, ladies and gentlemen. start in scotland. but it is an issue that affects us and issue that affects us all and certainly the future it will certainly in the future it will affect anyone who is a woman or is thinking about having a daughter. think we might daughter. i think we might actually be witnessing the end of sturgeon i think of nicholas sturgeon i think women about to bring women might be about to bring her down. the polls are and it's all because she's being found out. she can't answer basic questions about gender identity at the same time as asking people to accept a reality that would, in my view, put women and girls in danger. figures show that there are at least six men identified as women in women's prisons . the trans lobby

identified as women in women's prisons. the trans lobby might call them women , but in my view, call them women, but in my view, if you were born a man, you will die a man. and that is that that bloke's on there in women's prisons . but capello, to bloke's on there in women's prisons. but capello, to this , prisons. but capello, to this, it's just been revealed that an lgb t staff network who told civil servants that using phrases like protecting women and girls could be transphobic are part of the trans advisory board in her majesty's prison services. it's no wonder that dominic raab kicked right off with this lot of overly woke numpty . is it with this lot of overly woke numpty. is it good on him .7 the numpty. is it good on him.7 the pride in numpty. is it good on him? the pride in prison and probation group. email ministry of justice staff . and said that using the staff. and said that using the phrase adult human female dictionary definition could be considered coded transfer phobia. but something really interesting is happening, isn't it ? people aren't afraid it? people aren't afraid anymore. only don't think of called transphobic . they're just called transphobic. they're just not. they used to be. they definitely used to be. and that's why we've let this madness get this far. but they're not anymore because i

think people ask themselves the question, do i think a male rapist who identifies as a woman should be allowed in a women's prison? and i think they say no. ithey prison? and i think they say no. i they then ask themselves , i they then ask themselves, should that person be considered a woman and allowed around my kids? i think they they say no . kids? i think they they say no. and then i think that people think, well, if that makes me transphobic , then so be it. and transphobic, then so be it. and the power of the hysteria evaporates because the lunacy is exposed and people just don't care about offending them any more. now, don't banks on this happening, though, have they? and this is now why nicholas sturgeon is in my view, toast sturgeon's mask has slipped. of course, unfortunately for all of us, behind them are still us, what's behind them are still unclear. sturgeon. but she got drunk on her own power and she got drunk on her own popularity . she started seeing the world as black and white, good progressive woke causes . but is progressive woke causes. but is everything else is evil . she

everything else is evil. she isn't used to having to really explain herself. she's just used to making indistinct progressive noises and a load of people with blue hair applaud her. and then they just all move on, don't they? but then she did something that nobody in their right mind would ever do . nobody would ever would ever do. nobody would ever do this. she made the women angry. she made the women very angry. she made the women very angry . she angry. she made the women very angry. she sought to enact policy that would unquestionably put the lives and safety of women and young girls at risk. virgin literally chose to align herself with something like 0.06% of the population of around 52% of the population, i.e. women . to be very clear, i.e. women. to be very clear, people like nicholas sturgeon and snp grandee alan thunderbird eyebrow smith want you to allow trans women into prisons and women's spaces despite and this is the kicker not being able to define what a woman is all

what's a trans person is what is a woman ? they can't answer what a woman? they can't answer what is a trans person? well, it could be anyone with a feeling. it could be post—op pre—op . it could be post—op pre—op. non—binary pansexual. they just don't know. they don't know. they cannot tell you what a woman is. and they cannot tell you what trans is below. ridiculous and the receipts are in since sturgeon's trans saga. a yougov poll showed that support for the snp in hollyrood elections has fallen its lowest level in five years, while voting intentions for the westminster elections are at their worst since 2019. the polls showed that ms. sturgeon's personal approval rating also supped personal approval rating also slipped into negative territory, so from 7% plus 7% in october to minus 4. meanwhile, support for scottish independence and this is the big drop from 53% to 47, the lowest level last spring.

this is what happens when you treat the public like idiots . treat the public like idiots. i'm just going to play you a little clip now from snp rent a golf. alan smith, mp he talks a big game from behind his laptop. this guy issues strongly worded press releases. no problem with that. as they are and act stuff in front of his own supporters all by, some would say, being incredibly rude to young women on question time. but it doesn't like here. here what? the like it up here. here what? the man thinks snp man who thinks the snp politicians will support, he politicians will support, as he does putting male does support, putting male sex offenders women's prisons has offenders in women's prisons has to say for himself . when asked to say for himself. when asked a bafic to say for himself. when asked a basic question about it. to say for himself. when asked a basic question about it . what's basic question about it. what's your take on that? do you think trans people who are convicted of crimes like that should be in women's jails? i'd love to . see. women's jails? i'd love to. see. oh oh, oh, wow. well, that's also fair enough, obviously. i mean, alan smith raising more than just his own eyebrow. mean, alan smith raising more than just his own eyebrow . that than just his own eyebrow. that for a change, i don't know how alan smith can be so comfortable offending so many women with all offending so many women with all of policies, perhaps . oh, of these policies, perhaps. oh, i don't know. well, we better

not. alex has made himself not. alex smith has made himself look very silly. and then, of course , he did no comment course, he did that. no comment interview? no seriously, we're right laugh sturgeon and right to laugh at sturgeon and smith because, well, they're all laughing oh we are at laughing at us. oh we are at a watershed moment . and gentlemen, watershed moment. and gentlemen, the future of women's rights is at stake . the future of society, at stake. the future of society, as we know it is at stake. sturgeon and alan smith. they wanted their legacy to be an independent scotland and actually their legacy will be that they will be remembered . i that they will be remembered. i suspect anyway , by well , the suspect anyway, by well, the vast majority of people as two deluded grifters on wrong side of history rights are going to be returning to that throughout the course of the show. get your views coming in gbviews@gbnews.uk uk. d0 views coming in gbviews@gbnews.uk uk. do you think we're witnessing the end of nicholas sturgeon i'm going to be sticking to that one later on, but before we get into that, it was. reporter id over the weekend that the government are planning immigration legislation which will test the bounds of

international law. if the legislation is rejected by the european court of human rights , european court of human rights, firstly, sunak is allegedly, i believe , when i say, prepared to believe, when i say, prepared to trigger the nuclear option and withdraw from the chl . the withdraw from the chl. the government would then use this as a pledge for the next general election in an effort to appeal to the brexit voting majority. joining me now is one man who suggested that we simply ignored the call and they blocked everyone to policy. it's the mp for stoke on trent north. it's jonathan gall as he pulls no punches, which is why he's perfect for this show. liz, how are you? i'll get my friend. how are you? i'll get my friend. how are you? i'll get my friend. how are you? good to see you. more that common sense. the alan smith. honestly, it's amazing that ego and self impulses that his ego and self impulses fits policies of fits in the policies of westminster. promise that westminster. i promise you that is remarkable, isn't it? after the remarkable let's very ourselves slightly back onto the topic we had you on talk about that which is the cagr initially from where i'm sitting jonathan i'm sunak's i'm not sure rishi sunak's actually has bottle , so actually has the bottle, so either out of a b, ignore it

either is out of a b, ignore it . look, let's, let's wait and see. he's told he's told us that this legislation is coming down the track, which is going very bluntly say that if you come to this country illegally, you can't claim asylum, brave enough to time but he's to about time to. but he's obviously right in his thinking that if it goes to our sovereign parliaments, if it gets past all our domestic courts and then suddenly we find the ecj charles meddling in it, then guess what? it's time to leave because they should have no jurisdiction over our laws , our borders, which we our laws, our borders, which we voted very distinctive in 2016 and in 2019 to take back control of. it's as simple as that. patrick you know, it really is. but all of that going to end up being ructions within the conservative party because let's be honest with you, they don't own necessarily think like you. i would argue that maybe your way aligned with the way of thinking aligned with the vast of the british vast majority of the british public. suspect public. anecdotal, but i suspect it is. but unless you can convince members of your own policy to think the same way as well, will look really bad well, it will look really bad for the tories it . well, for the tories once it. well, look, we avoid the blue

look, i hope we avoid the blue on blue that we saw even during the debates between 2017 the brexit debates between 2017 and is an easy win and 2019. this is an easy win for the conservative party because delivering, you because it's delivering, as you say, people's priorities say, on the people's priorities , the will of the , on what the will of the british was back in 2016 british people was back in 2016 and in 2019 and is a very clear dividing line between us and the labour party, something that i know feel is very know some voters feel is very clear. this labour party, clear. this in a labour party, let's frank, will just get let's be frank, will just get more process more money. france process quicker a.k.a approved approve more people coming over which fuels the smuggling gangs model and is free movement and essentially is free movement through the door. the through the back door. the labour are talking about labour party are talking about doing deals with the european union. kinnock, another union. stephen kinnock, another overinflated, pompous ego who tells but doesn't say what tells it but doesn't say what red that would be red lines that he would be willing to put in place for any deal to be done, a.k.a. we're going to have rejoin the eu going to have to rejoin the eu these and then i these crowns, and then i pass a copy, trust it and it's up to the conservatives to prove that we have that vote we deserve to have that vote lent us once yeah, lent to us once again. yeah, look, labour party, they look, of the labour party, they say hey, deeply say don't, hey, we care deeply about this and we might even introduce things like i'd cos i

believe that what i say or if they think that the way to deal with the migrant crisis is to cut the head of the snake and to get rid of these people smuggling gangs. and there is some that. but fact some truth on that. but the fact is we do have a massive backlog of people who have already kind of people who have already kind of human of subverted the human trafficking a large trafficking gangs to a large extent. made calais. extent. they've made a calais. jonathan i was speaking to, i think probably a human think it's probably a human rights lawyer actually earlier on was saying to well, on who was saying to me, well, the if these people the point is, if these people are iraq, afghanistan, are from iraq, afghanistan, syria, we can't syria, whatever we can't actually deport them even if we don't, they should be claiming asylum here, shouldn't be claiming here . to claiming asylum here. to which to mind, it rewrites to my mind, it rewrites something that people were speaking about a while ago. we do islands are do have some islands are disposable, do we not? places like ascension island, i think, or the falkland islands. i mean, would you be dead against the face of the crisis that we're facing sending people facing at minute, sending people that in favour of that i'm certainly in favour of doing more deals we've done doing more deals like we've done already rwanda , finding already with rwanda, finding those countries. these those safe countries. do these process as offshoring and inevitably allow people to start a new life in a safe country? i

think that's absolutely the solution problems, which solution to our problems, which is you kindly is why, patrick, as you kindly said, introduced a before said, i introduced a bill before parliament christmas parliament just before christmas year saying let's just ignore these, let's crack on, get a pie in get these people in the sky and get these people going because sooner we going. because the sooner we show smuggling gangs show that the smuggling gangs don't feed don't have anything else to feed off in terms of promotional material at the moment, they do sadly because sadly have to watch because obviously here talking obviously we're here talking about fact we have crisis about the fact we have a crisis if for the courts. by if we wait for the courts. by the time we get through the court making decisions , even court making decisions, even then, might next march. then, it might be next march. there'll 65 sitting for there'll be 65 sitting for a thousand more on top of thousand more people on top of the well, there will be the 40,000. well, there will be no british public will bananas. they know this all they will know this is all i think anyway. one question that i suspect could sink starmer and co, which is that let's say you guys managed to get all of this stuff through, right? and that you do bring us out the oh you managed to get through things what who here what people who come over here by boat be told that by small boat can be told that they're not staying on. they can be they haven't got a right to appeal that deportation. the appeal that deportation. and the numbers labour

numbers drop massively. labour kick huge fuss. they will kick up a huge fuss. they will say , some argue say, and some would argue rightly, way, they will rightly, by the way, they will say, so versed in say, well, we're so versed in due process and this due legal process and this is against people's rights . against people's human rights. what is fascinating, what i think is fascinating, jonathan , is numbers drop jonathan, is if the numbers drop and public are happy, do you and the public are happy, do you reckon would repeal that reckon labour would repeal that if into power if they got into power next? because don't they because i don't think they would. i don't trust their policy one bit, so i'm sure they'd find some way of watering it down slowly but surely, over time, if they go power. and time, if they go in power. and i actually think the they would say human say it's against people's human rights. it's inhumane to rights. i think it's inhumane to allow keep crossing allow people to keep crossing the channel. think the english channel. i think it's thing to do it's the humane thing to do everything can to people everything we can to stop people risking unnecessarily, risking lives unnecessarily, putting at putting thousands of pounds at the smuggling gangs the hands of smuggling gangs and turning english channel into turning the english channel into a the thing to do a watery. the humane thing to do is say people, there is no is to say to people, there is no need come here. and if you do need to come here. and if you do come like you say, come here, like you say, patrick, you're going not be patrick, you're going to not be hanging be after hanging round, you'll be after luanda wherever else. and the luanda or wherever else. and the labor party. i don't trust them. it's all. keir starmer on it's all. keir starmer sits on so fences run out now, so so many fences run out now, so i don't think that that guy can be trusted with anything. when

trusted with anything. and when you who's you see stephen kinnock, who's desperate part you, desperate to be part of you, peter kyle, literally peter kyle, you literally fantasises european fantasises about the european union basis, i'm union on a daily basis, i'm sure. these are the clowns sure. then these are the clowns that anyone anywhere near that anyone see anywhere near our if they our government, because if they do but surely bit by bit do study but surely bit by bit they'll and then they'll reverse brexit and then we'll realise all we'll come to realise that all too if i could ask you too late. so if i could ask you a slightly personal question if that's alright, you that's alright, because you and i a robust, robust i have a robust, robust conversations shows this and conversations on shows this and i you, one of media i do hear you, one of the media outlets well. you really outlets as well. now you really do not hold back and you must be aware that some people vehemently disagree with what you do you say. right? do you just do you say. right? do you just do you not care? do you just have unflinching self—belief in the fact history will judge you fact that history will judge you correctly? mean , it correctly? because, i mean, it takes cowardice. my well, all i would say is when i go out about door knocking around stoke on trent north kidsgrove and talk, i feel like i'm the yet to be quite with you, i'm the quite honest with you, i'm the one has the softer views one that has the softer views probably some of my probably to some of my constituents and look, whilst i might in household where might live in a household where sometimes find sometimes it's hard to find someone agrees with my someone who agrees with me on my views, and then within my family, say when family, i'll just say that when i'm and i'm hanging

i'm out and about, i'm hanging out my mates like lee out with my mates like lee anderson others, we're anderson and others, and we're talking people not getting talking to people not getting caught the westminster caught up in the westminster bubble. twitter so bubble. i'm not on twitter so i don't have to worry about upsetting some outraged upsetting some so outraged celebrities for celebrities use desperate for some i some likes and retweets. then i can on and yeah, i think can crack on and yeah, i think in time i'll be judged to be on the on the right side of this. but yeah, i think the end of but yeah, i think at the end of day people politicians day people want politicians to actually, what actually, you know, say what they think and actually say people they represent. i mean, the is, you least say the fact is, you at least say what you think and can what you think and people can agree or disagree with agree with you or disagree with their they know their beliefs. they know what you because it's going to. you stand because it's going to. jonathan, thank very much. jonathan, thank you very much. as jonathan gloucester, as ever. jonathan gloucester, who course the mp who is, of course the tory mp for on trent north right for stoke on trent north right now. street official now. a downing street official has no plans to has that there are no plans to withdraw the ecj and that withdraw from the ecj and that we out the policy we will set out the policy details soon. they details fairly soon. so they will able see it as an will be able to see it as an approach, we believe, both fundamentally deals with this ongoing which of both ongoing issue, which one of both fairness safety but also fairness and safety but also remains the law. remains compliant with the law. ladies this is ladies and gentlemen, this is full regulatory alignment. yes, again, isn't it? we've full regulatory alignment. yes, again, isn't it ? we've got to again, isn't it? we've got to have the european union then

chose still try to chose to basically still try to adhere majority of adhere to the vast majority of eu rules and rights. how did that turn out for us? we're doing it again and that was no, i think, alastair, as i've said, people stoke on trent north right. okay. so coming liz right. okay. so coming up, liz truss has made her first debut in media after stepping down in the media after stepping down as minister . in the media after stepping down as minister. we will as prime minister. we will be discussing with political discussing it with political commentator presenter commentator gb news. presenter emily public catalan i emily carver public catalan i will see you in just a few.

yes welcome back. is patrick christys here now? so many of you have been getting in touch. i asked you how sunak is reportedly considering withdrawing from the echr . withdrawing from the echr. should we have a referendum on the matter? so loads of you got in touch. this one is from in touch. and this one is from russell dobrik all having a referendum about joining the

ecj. so we don't need permission to leave it was interesting. i mean, one of the slightly unfortunate arguments course when it comes to leaving the uk is that people like winston churchill , a true is that people like winston churchill, a true proper national treasure and hero, despite what the modern woke might tell you about him , it was might tell you about him, it was donein might tell you about him, it was done in favour of it, and i all of that. and then they go, oh, okay, well look, if you leave it, then you'll be the same as russia belarus. now don't russia or belarus. now don't let anyone you, because anyone say that to you, because won't because we're not won't be because we're not russia belarus. okay? there's russia or belarus. okay? there's loads that loads of those countries that are that that don't share are like that that don't share anything norms and anything like the same norms and values and rules of law. the argument for them hinges on the idea we suddenly decided idea that if we suddenly decided to leave the we would, by to leave the uk, we would, by definition our own will, definition of our own free will, choose become a tyrannical choose to become a tyrannical dictatorship . well, it's dictatorship. well, it's nonsense, isn't that? it's a little like workers rights little like the workers rights stuff was like, oh, when stuff when it was like, oh, when you vote leave the european you vote to leave the european union, you want diverge union, if you want to diverge from standards workers from food standards or workers rights . oh, well, didn't just rights. oh, well, it didn't just mean were all going to mean we were all going to deliberately give each other salmonella start on

salmonella and start standing on the of the poor did it. the throats of the poor did it. and our colleagues we had and our colleagues said we had won. to leave the eu, won. we voted to leave the eu, all of not just bits. yeah, all of it, not just bits. yeah, call it. get your point. these are not the eu. but i do take what you made on. i think realistically, if people had had that on the ballot paper as well, i think we all know what leaving the eu for a lot of people and it did for a for a lot of people for pretty much everyone who voted to leave the eu, it did mean that a judge from some flung european from some far flung european country should not have a say over who we can and can't deport from our own country . that's from our own country. that's unequivocal. so i'll take your point. colleen although slightly factually inaccurate, but there we we're all friends here. we go. we're all friends here. stephen side will only stephen says. one side will only complain with the complain that the side with the votes were lied to. so each day. and that is so because they didn't get what they wanted, would take it to court. sound familiar? brexit all over again? yes i suspect your possibly. right. right. one final one quick read the right. quick one. read the right. right. well well tony on two. fantastic name says they're

always considering planning discussing never actually do it yeahi discussing never actually do it yeah i couldn't agree with you more although on this one, i'm trying to figure exactly trying to figure out exactly what going for because trying to figure out exactly wh said going for because trying to figure out exactly wh said only going for because trying to figure out exactly wh said only i'll»ing for because trying to figure out exactly wh said only i'll stop or because trying to figure out exactly wh said only i'll stop the ecause he said only i'll stop the boats. definite. boats. i was pretty definite. his own home secretary has come out said, if we don't do out and said, if we don't do that without it, which is right. and then on top of that, as well, he said things aren't going the asylum going to reduce the asylum seeker fact, seeker backlog. in fact, i'm going reduce to nil going to reduce it to nil flipping bits of jeopardy. flipping the bits of jeopardy. there there, actually, there isn't there, actually, because that, because if you don't do that, what happens? you're out. what happens? well, you're out. but i suppose if they're but then i suppose if they're out, who do you can labour and wow do they really about wow do they really care about stopping boats. would stopping the boats. they would say oh, would say say they do. oh, this would say not having a liz truss. his not me having a liz truss. his first interview since leaving office today with office was published today with spectator the spectator tv and perhaps the real was didn't real standout line was i didn't get everything right. yeah perceptive. anyway, i think my he may be inclined to agree but perhaps for different reasons. now the liberal media saw liz truss as a shill for the rich, someone who hated the poor was economically illiterate and a purveyor of so—called trickle

down economics. so hearing her say she didn't get everything right is probably prompted a few scoffs from that crowd. but bear in mind, during those chaotic couple of weeks and it was really just a couple of weeks, practically non of the trust's agenda truss and cummings had been implement and in fact, none of it really none of it actually really happened. and then when the plummeted the the pound plummeted the day after voted leave the after we voted to leave the european union and everyone blamed well, brexit blamed brexit. well, brexit didn't take place for another two. a years after two. and a half years after that. was all just a matter that. it was all just a matter of trust and perception. was liz truss his biggest mistake, in fact, to sell her vision fact, failing to sell her vision to the public and the markets only suspect it was. joining me now discuss this is now to discuss this is conservativehome columnist and gb presenter emily carver. gb news presenter emily carver. emily, how are you? good evening. i'm very well. right, good. evening. i'm very well. right, good . just as well. okay. so was good. just as well. okay. so was liz truss really brought down by some kind of big left wing economic cabal ? well, that's economic cabal? well, that's what she said in her very long essay , 4000 words in the sunday

essay, 4000 words in the sunday telegraph . and she's repeated it telegraph. and she's repeated it again in her interview with spectator tv. she thinks that she was not only dealt a difficult hand, but that it was also near impossible for her to implement what she wanted to do . and there may well be some truth to that. she blames the cabal for being very static with their models and forecast , and their models and forecast, and that they pushed her into having to give up her plans for the economy . but i to give up her plans for the economy. but i must to give up her plans for the economy . but i must say, she economy. but i must say, she wants to reinvigorate her image as the voice of free market economics . and i'm not sure economics. and i'm not sure whether she's the right person to do it , because whether she's the right person to do it, because in her mini budget she announced huge amounts, or prior to it, she announced huge amounts of public spending. then she immediately announced huge tax cuts . now, announced huge tax cuts. now, anyone who knows free market economics will know that it's rather important to address how you're going to get the deficit down and, public spending down, you'll going to then have room

for tax cuts. so i think, yeah , for tax cuts. so i think, yeah, you can't just just just interrupt their ability, just taking advantage of one of the few times i'm allowed to do essentially. but i'm just, just telling , oh, essentially. but i'm just, just telling, oh, you as a conservative, a believer in free markets , low taxes, high growth markets, low taxes, high growth society. oh, you're actually quite angry at liz truss for messing it up because now it's kind of kicked into the long grass, doesn't it? well, this is the thing it's all rather depressing because people are now saying that free market economics has been tried. it's failed, much like communism always fails when it's tried . always fails when it's tried. are comparing the two. i think that's terribly unfair. but i would agree with perhaps some of voices to say that liz truss perhaps should have taken a little more time to think about what went wrong, because it seems from her long essay in the telegraph in the interview that she hasn't quite realised that she hasn't quite realised that she got things wrong. there's a lot of blaming on other people. she clearly didn't underst . and she clearly didn't underst. and how fragile the markets were at that moment. she clearly didn't

understand a lot of things and she certainly didn't get her own side on side . and that's rather side on side. and that's rather important. if you want to be prime minister. however i do think it may be a good thing if this reinvigorates some kind of debate around economics because most people will be looking at what rishi sunak and jeremy hunt are doing , thinking, well, are doing, thinking, well, that's a very good either. it does.i that's a very good either. it does. i think, though, point to something quite concerning, very for people. we do live in an age now where people are more able than ever to look underneath the bonnet of society in different aspects of it. and also really seriously question things . and i seriously question things. and i wonder whether or not she exposed the dogmatic orthodoxy of the people who have a vice like grip on arguably not just our nation, but the world's economic setup and actually, that's not necessarily a great thing, is it? it doesn't really leave much wiggle room for someone who's an out—of—the—box

thinker or who looks at a specific situation, maybe a specific situation, maybe a specific economic situation like liz truss did and think, okay, i'm going to put something radical here . but only radical out here. but only thing, this is what needs to be donein thing, this is what needs to be done in this time and that's a concern for because he was concern for me because he was running in a well running world that in a well that's the thing she says that the obe are essentially would have allowed her to do anything radical she says government officials also and indeed people in her own party wouldn't allow her to be radical. and the irony , of course, of all of this is that people on the might say, oh, that's not true, that's conspiracy. but hang on, if jeremy corbyn had got into power, he certainly would have been able to do the things he wanted if those officials wanted to do. if those officials had charge. so i do had been in charge. so i do think do agree with her to think i do agree with her to some extent that the economic establishment was very much stuck her and didn't stuck against her and didn't agree she was trying agree with what she was trying to supply side reforms, to do. the supply side reforms, tax etc. had years tax cuts, etc. we've had years of spending going up, of public spending going up, taxes going up too . she was taxes going up too. she was trying to hit the reverse button and take in a completely and take us in a completely different direction and computer

and take us in a completely diffe no: direction and computer and take us in a completely diffe no .direction and computer and take us in a completely diffe no . yeah,on and computer and take us in a completely diffe no . yeah, indeed.:omputer and take us in a completely diffe no . yeah, indeed. look. ter said no. yeah, indeed. look. well, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. i ali khan for that gb news prevents a conservative home columnist. well, coming up now, we have seen strike in the seen the largest strike in the history of the nhs today. seen the largest strike in the history of the nhs today . you history of the nhs today. you may be forgiven for thinking that this is a show from last week when we also had the largest in nhs history. largest strike in nhs history. was the week before? it's all was it the week before? it's all rolling into one anyway. we're going be joined by one of its going to be joined by one of its employees to take a further look. and commentator look. nurse and commentator sarah palmer is here with sarah jane palmer is here with me in studio and that is.

next all right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back . now today marks welcome back. now today marks the biggest strike action in the history of britain as tens of britain's nhs as tens of thousands of nhs workers took to

the picket lines, other governments are continuing to stick by that consensus that the union's demands are unaffordable . but we didn't know was that the government paid three times the government paid three times the money into nhs pensions. then the average , the private then the average, the private sector. so today this practise again a lot of shouts outside the spectator are on the wrong side. if the government wants to take money out of the payment scheme pensions payment, then basically they could pay more upfront in a salary to , couldn't upfront in a salary to, couldn't they? and i suspect that might be a bit of a win win, but here to talk through the feasibility of this idea is registered nurse and commentator sarah jane palmer. sarah jane, thank you very much. how are you? yeah, good, thank you. how you? fantastic. yes, indeed . right. fantastic. yes, indeed. right. well, let's just deal with that issue i was reading issue first. so i was reading with interest early in with some interest early on in the about the fact the spectator about the fact that get a great pension. that nurses get a great pension. so average salary average so if the average salary average is stress is around 35 grand. yeah well, see, if you out of the pensions, it's around

62,000. d0 the pensions, it's around 62,000. do you think there should some wiggle room there? and they go, well, we'll take a bit less of a pension payment . bit less of a pension payment. i'll have more money upfront. yeah i think so, because really a young nurses are coming a lot of young nurses are coming into profession. not into the profession. they're not earning deal and they're earning a great deal and they're currently contributing about 10 to 12% in this pension. they're not going to see that until they're the and they're in the sixties. and that's interest them that's much interest to them right cost of living right now in this cost of living crisis. the real terms that crisis. and the real terms that they obviously have faced with their anyway . think their pay anyway. so i think it'd quite reasonable for the it'd be quite reasonable for the pension be adjusted somewhat pension to be adjusted somewhat and then they could have a bit more money. otherwise you've got loads of nurses that are actually opting out completely of scheme, then that of the pension scheme, then that puts financially puts them at risk financially much in their lives. much later on in their lives. exactly this is this is the thing. and there will a lot thing. and there will be a lot of people there watching of people out there watching this listening to on this now or listening to it on radio go well maybe they're radio who go well maybe they're freelance they have freelance so they don't have a fixed pension scheme. i mean, frankly, don't have to frankly, i don't have much to say only quite say and this is only quite recently out of some kind of recently of out of some kind of pension scheme, but certainly like absence of the nurses, like the absence of the nurses,

ehhen like the absence of the nurses, either, out. but either, i will point out. but you hear the unions, you you don't hear the unions, do people. the do those people. they're on the picket bellowing, look at picket lines bellowing, look at this. you know, the nurses, they can't food , but actually can't afford food, but actually they are getting quite a lot in pension payments and in the pensions that this country's taxpayer owes to all public sector workers . aroun d £2.3 sector workers. around £2.3 trillion, which is the way the size . of britain's economy. size. of britain's economy. yeah. so do you think in that context , do you think that that context, do you think that that nurses are getting unfairly treated or does the country not value them? well, i think the country absolutely values them. but what it is, is we've got this situation, the economy, where everybody's had a real terms cut, not just the nurses . terms cut, not just the nurses. so i don't really think it's the nurses that are being treated unfairly. everyone feels treated unfairly, but it is the situation with economy and. situation with the economy and. and i think there's a lot of things about being a nurse that are like the pension deal that they have is particularly good and they did get some rise this yeah and they did get some rise this year. some people haven't had

any pay rise all and in a few months time be the next pay review. so i mean, i think if they were patient and didn't strike then they might find that the pay review would be quite reasonable and then you'd save all this harm that's been caused to patients. and while people will just on the i mean, i actually was doing a show earlier on and, there was a lady on a picket line there who's mother had had to call an ambulance day and have been taken to the hospital where this woman who was a nurse, was picketed outside and she was still picketing outside . and i still picketing outside. and i looked at it and i thought each to their own, but if my mum was in hospital and i was medically trained, yeah, i want to be, i'd be at the bedside and i still maybe some of these people have been a bit indoctrinated. yeah i think so. i think the rcn has a lot to , i think, i think that lot to, i think, i think that they stand is responsible for creating this and then you've got a lot of particularly minded

like the young nurses clubbing together excitedly outside the hospitals on the picket lines. but i think people are missing the moral point here , and the moral point here, and there's a moral value to nursing. when you go into nursing, you know, like i always knew , that it would be hard work knew, that it would be hard work and i wouldn't get much money, but that it would be a pay and i always was total the pension schemes really good. there are different things about being nurse great. it's nurse that make it great. it's not all about the money. and i do think that. how can you leave someone suffering you know someone suffering and you know you should be there looking after your patients and the people they've replaced nurses with agency and that's a with mostly agency and that's a bit of a risk as well because i know the pool. yeah the ward is more, it's more much more expensive. more expensive. yeah. one big that people one of the other big that people raise with me so is union leaders or nurses , whatever is leaders or nurses, whatever is they say, well , if we can afford they say, well, if we can afford to pay and i think it's 89 grand a year around the how can you possibly say an mp is worth more

than a nurse? your views ? well, than a nurse? your views? well, i would say an mp. i mean, they're a member of parliament. they're doing a lot of work for a whole constituent . so i mean , a whole constituent. so i mean, you can't really compare them to a it's different and what they're earning is really only about double what a nurse gets anyway. and they're in charge of anyway. and they're in charge of a whole constituency or as a nurse is on a ward, hopefully with and doing the with nurses and all doing the same job and working as a team. i . the pay should be higher i do. the pay should be higher in an ideal world. i mean, it's a difficult situation. and really, think vast majority of really, i think vast majority of people out there , the vast people out there, the vast majority be in favour of majority would be in favour of some, especially in the economic climate at the minute, some form of pay rise or nurses. and i think , by the way, definitely think, by the way, definitely would be in favour of whopping great pay rises for all care workers. oh do not appear to be out strike as far as i can tell but i think when it goes underpaid i can't help it. but i think when it goes underpaid i can't help it . yeah. underpaid i can't help it. yeah. yeah, they are. and i can't help but feel as well when some people start shouting very

quickly about how we needed total restructuring of our economic system. i you know, rampant socialism amongst them. that why people tend to lose the argument a little bit. but can i just say thank you very, very much for coming in? great have you back on the show. it's been a little while. good to see you, sarah paul with that sarah jane paul with that registered course registered nurse. and of course commentator. interesting, really. chlorine in really. i think of a chlorine in the water of the old nurses debate isn't but up next, debate isn't but coming up next, surgeons approve. yes i did monologue on this earlier on. so ihope monologue on this earlier on. so i hope you would all emailing it and get your views coming in. gb views and gbnews.uk still disapproval rating is waning in the of self day in scottish the wake of self day in scottish . as news an lgbtq . it comes as news an lgbtq whatever staff network called pip is advising on prisons in england and wales, basically saying should and should not be in prisons . fascinating stuff. in prisons. fascinating stuff. i will be joined by transgender woman and teacher debbie hayton. that's all to come. i'll see you in a few .

all right. welcome back, everybody patrick christys head now the star of the show i was talking about the trans row and, how nicola sturgeon's approval rating has plummeted over how she dealt with a male rapist being held in a women's prison and now it's emerged that an lgb t staff network is involved on prisons in england and. wales, basically saying that they shouldn't use certain phrases like adult here and female or women's only spaces, etc. because it might be transphobic . here to discuss this with me is the teacher and journalist debbie hayter. debbie how are you ? i'm fine thanks, patrick.

you? i'm fine thanks, patrick. good to be with you again. yes, very nice to be with you again. okay. i always struggle to know exactly where to start with these discussions. if i just these discussions. so if i just play these discussions. so if i just play devil's have hair and go play devil's have a hair and go in of what's going on in in light of what's going on in scotland, studies the approval ratings plummeted. ratings have plummeted. in fact, the the polls for the case in the polls for scottish independence has fallen as well, which i think is remarkable. but do some these remarkable. but do some of these groups like the group pip, that is advising the government on how essentially not to be transphobic when it comes to sending people to prison? do they they just want protect they do they just want protect trans rights . well, i'm not sure trans rights. well, i'm not sure what they're wanting. protect but they seem to have so much power . and the government , the power. and the government, the minister for justice, goes to these to ask for advice were, quite frankly if we want to know the difference between men and women. we've always known the difference between. men and women. there's been nothing new in the five years. ten in the last five years. ten years, 15 years. there male and female. two sexes. and female. we are two sexes. and the is, is that the the problem is, is that the people who be making policy

abdicates that responsibility to decide the difference between men and women to these activist groups . and when it comes to groups. and when it comes to issues , this it is always that. issues, this it is always that. absolutely great big minefield that some people try to cross with much more ease than. others i am not always one of those people. i must say, when it comes to women's prisons and women's spaces , do you think women's spaces, do you think that the only people who should really have a say on the matter are people who were born women ? are people who were born women? yes, women. women's prison staff 7 yes, women. women's prison staff ? women. i think we need to look at the prison system, not as two equal populations of population, the women's population . the the women's population. the prison population is entirely men is 96% men. women are a vulnerable and minority group within the prisons prison population. so we house them separately from the from them from the male population . and if from the male population. and if trans women are also vulnerable

group we house them separately as well. but to say that transwomen are women and we should treat them in exactly the same way , that's where we go same way, that's where we go wrong . there we look. i wouldn't wrong. there we look. i wouldn't mind me asking this think it's mind me asking this i think it's important people maybe important for people who maybe haven't and haven't necessarily seen you and i conversations like i have conversations like this on shows well, what on tv shows before. well, what you as what is your you identify as what is your story , as were , identified as story, as it were, identified as human being actually that that's not what you wanted to hear. i guess i, i was i was bored . guess i, i was i was bored. male. i am male. i've always been male. i, i transitioned at 11 years ago now in order to , in 11 years ago now in order to, in order to help me get through a mental health crisis. at the time i didn't mean i was a woman. i thought i might have been a woman. i thought it was a woman at the time. but i've since learned that that was nonsense . so i may identify as a nonsense. so i may identify as a human being. i get on with life. yeah, well, absolutely and i think a lot of people will be really interested in that friday. i've got to ask now, you

know, do you think that try women would be vulnerable in a in a men's prison i think you've got to look at somebody who especially as soon to use her gender surgery as to put somebody in the main prison population is probably going to cause chaos . a prison in a cause chaos. a prison in a prison . hundreds of men locked prison. hundreds of men locked up together to put somebody in there who has been a process of surgical gender reassignment is probably to cause issues. i think i think we can accept that. yeah so, so i am part of a vulnerable group and as possible honourable group, the status would have a duty of care and. that duty of care would mean holding me probably separately to the men male population but it doesn't mean hold me with women who are a different group . yes, indeed. and can i just ask i mean, how would you personally feel about if fingers crossed, obviously this never this never this question never

arises. never if you were if people were saying, though , you people were saying, though, you should be sent to a women's prison, what would you make of that ? well, i shouldn't me prison, what would you make of that? well, i shouldn't me and we'll cross our fingers every time, every we go out in the car. patrick you know, it only takes one momentarily lapse of concentration when you're driving a car to end up in prison. and that can happen any of us. and so i'm very careful when i drive . but secondly, i when i drive. but secondly, i wouldn't i wouldn't be calling person a woman's prison. it wouldn't be right . do person a woman's prison. it wouldn't be right. do you find it slightly strange that nicholas sturgeon for just purely political angle? now has chosen to die on a hill that appears to be populated by around 0.0 whatever of the population , as opposed to population, as opposed to possibly over half of the population, i.e. people who are naturally born women. i mean, do you do you find that bizarre as a political strategy ? you know,

a political strategy? you know, it's going from bad to worse for nicholas sturgeon she's been taken advice from the wrong people. the people have been trying to advise her. but she's been she's been them for years taking advice from another group of a narrow group of people who the scottish is actually paying for the advice it gets back. and meanwhile the rest of scottish society , the rest of the people society, the rest of the people in scotland at this thinking what on earth is going on here? is it ? it is. what on earth is going on here? is it? it is. it's been described as the poll tax moment perhaps it's you know, another i know as you might be brexit where they were david cameron's government had taken advice from a narrow group of people and not looked out beyond that what the wider public was thinking or. doug, debbie, thank you very much as ever. debbie how you said that. right. okay now. we contacted the emoji for a comment and they supplied us with full statement with a this full statement a single representative sits on with a this full statement a singtransgenderative sits on with a this full statement a singtransgender advisory on with a this full statement a singtransgender advisory board, the transgender advisory board, a group that is over 30 members strong holding views. a broad

range you right there. range that you got right there. we not all of that. no we are not all of that. no i believe dan watson is coming up next. make sure it's a rip roaring of show as well. i've got go to your weather first. got to go to your weather first. so evening, alex deakin here with latest weather update. with your latest weather update. temperatures dropping temperatures are dropping out there wales. there across england and wales. a start tomorrow morning. a frosty start tomorrow morning. some likely further some fog also likely further north. frost and fog not such a problem because it is going to be cloudy this big area of high pressure has been dominating our weather. it'sjust pressure has been dominating our weather. it's just edging away to east, allowing this to the east, allowing this weather come the weather front to come into the northwest, outbreaks northwest, bringing outbreaks rain across the western isles through also the through the evening and also the breeze picking up here that's wetter weather will just creep into the mainland of scotland by around for most, it's around midnight for most, it's dry sunny in the south. dry and sunny in the south. clear skies until fog forms clear skies until the fog forms thickening up in places right now, temperatures dropping below, freezing to minus three in towns and cities by morning, maybe as low as minus six in rural spots, much milder north because the blanket of cloud because of the blanket of cloud . a great here a little . a great start here a little bit rain in west of bit rain in the west of scotland, the west of, northern

ireland rain of ireland with that rain of fizzling through the day and fizzling out through the day and actually northwestern scotland turning through the day in turning much through the day in the south it should brighten up once that folk has cleared it may much the morning. may take much of the morning. some spots, particularly somerset wiltshire, but it should and we'll have should clear and then we'll have sunny temperatures sunny conditions, temperatures in the south, seven or eight further or ten further north, nine or ten celsius. a touch above celsius. so a touch above average here the time of average here for the time of yean average here for the time of year, probably a cloudier year, but probably a cloudier end the day across north end to the day across north england, odd spot of drizzle england, the odd spot of drizzle , but most dry again in , but most places dry again in the south. look how quickly the frost comes back through tuesday and into wednesday morning fog again likely to be a hazard for wednesday morning commute and then the winds really start to pick up in north and another band of rain comes here. those winds, though, the greatest cause for concern. we have a met office yellow in place office yellow warning in place for scotland for north—west scotland for those wednesday those winds during wednesday afternoon evening. afternoon and into the evening. again elsewhere, most places dry and fine . and once the folks and fine. and once the folks cleared, temperatures up to seven or eight celsius across the south, the outlook for the

rest of this week. not much rain at all across the south. frosty mornings , yes. buts, signs of mornings, yes. buts, signs of things slowly turning milder as we towards end of the week

no spin, no bias, no censorship . i'm dan wootton tonight. liz breaks her silence hits out at the insidious left wing economic establishment coup that toppled her that has been an overall approach on british economic policy for the past 15 years. thatis policy for the past 15 years. that is orthodoxy. one of the things i didn't realise is just how strong the orthodoxy was in my digesting. so i'll explain . my digesting. so i'll explain. trust is going to remain constant reminder to high tax sometime the current administration that there's nothing conservative their current policy platform they don't get the thoughts of my