hello. that is 6:00. army soldier. bri, this is dewbs& co, the show where we'll get into some of the things that have got you talking. now, young men, are they being demonised.7 we've got sell out courses such as how to tackle toxic masculinity . i tackle toxic masculinity. i mean, you know, if you know your bottom from your elbows , a young bottom from your elbows, a young man these days, chance will be a fine thing. it must be very confusing being a young man . are confusing being a young man. are they being unfairly demonised.7 and some of it caught my eye. this week was a teacher showcasing a placard , although showcasing a placard, although one of her students had made . he

one of her students had made. he said on it the only good tory is a dead tory. the only good lib dem is a dead lib dem . and i dem is a dead lib dem. and i started thinking about the bbc over that. they have impartiality, contracts where they have to be politically neutral. and i started to wonder , do you think public servants shows have to be politically neutral when doing their job and neutral when doing theirjob and when out in public? so for example, should you be able to say you want dead tories when you're on the picket line, really ? and a welsh school has really? and a welsh school has been put into special measures because get this too many of their pupils are speaking engush their pupils are speaking english and they're not having enough time to celebrate their welsh ness. oh, interesting . how welsh ness. oh, interesting. how much effort do you think we should put to in protecting regional land bridges? and 15 minutes cities? some say fantastic. how convenient . fantastic. how convenient. others say, i. hang on there a second. it's not about the 15 minute cities. it's about how restricted you going to be within them and how easy it will be to travel outside of them.

it's all about control. system is it? give me all your thoughts, boss. before we get into some of those things, let's bnng into some of those things, let's bring ourselves up to speed. what's nice headlines what's a nice latest headlines brought you by polly brought to you by polly middlehurst . michelle thank you middlehurst. michelle thank you and good evening to you. the top story on gb news tonight , the story on gb news tonight, the metropolitan police commissioner has apologised for failing us in the force after the sentencing of former officer david carrick today. the 48 year old has been handed a 36 life sentence is and will serve a minimum term of 30 years for sexual offences against a dozen women . carrick against a dozen women. carrick pleaded guilty to 49 charges, including 24 counts of rape. all carried out whilst he was a serving officer. a smart role, he says. he determined to root out risk conduct in the force . out risk conduct in the force. people are going to be very shaken by this. i completely recognise that we are determined

to tackle this. most of our people are great people but we've been too weak in getting through the ones who aren't . so through the ones who aren't. so you're going to see month by month changes as we remove those individuals and you can report on that. i know my words today aren't enough . people have heard aren't enough. people have heard me talk about plans and they can only see the action that we take. our forthcoming months and they will see that. in they will see that. well, in other news today, lancashire police say they still believe fell into the river wyre while she was out walking her dog, 11 days ago. the underwater search for the mother of two continues. the force is also investigating about 500 lines of inquiry, although so far has not found any evidence of criminality. superintendent sally riley says they're not ruling anything out. we remain fully open to any information , any information information, any information thatis information, any information that is credible and factual to try and trace nicola and bring answers for her family. but it

does remain our belief that nicola sadly fell into the river and that this is a missing person inquiry. and that this is a missing person inquiry . well, assisting person inquiry. well, assisting the police specialist group international was peter folding told gb news the case is unusual . when nicola went missing on the day the police divers were deployed into the river here to search . and normally if somebody search. and normally if somebody drowns , they go straight to the drowns, they go straight to the bottom and that's in my 20 odd years of experience of dealing with drowning victims . you know, with drowning victims. you know, done the hundreds of cases . now done the hundreds of cases. now they go to the bottom. the river's slow move. they won't go far. but the police divers are very professional. did not even find her. then and that's the that's the weird thing . the that's the weird thing. the foreign secretary says three british nationals are missing following the earthquakes in turkey and syria . james cleverly turkey and syria. james cleverly also told the house of commons today.35 also told the house of commons today. 35 others have been

identified as being caught up in the disaster , which has killed the disaster, which has killed more than 5000 people. turkey's president erdogan has declared a state of emergency for three months in the ten cities most affected and an aid worker for islamic relief, salah abu ghassan , told gb news about his ghassan, told gb news about his rescue efforts. there are fuel shortages, so some of the cranes and some of the tractors that we need that are so vital in such a time in order to clear that rubble. unfortunately, we've got fuel consistently . fuel shortages consistently. there are electrical shortages . there are electrical shortages. there are electrical shortages. there are electrical shortages. there are communication towers that have been sort of cut off at times. so it's really desperate. we trying to get as many people as possible evacuated as well in use here at home. the prime minister has been busy revealing his new cabinet today following a reshuffle. he's also created four new departments . so greg four new departments. so greg hands takes over as the new conservative party chairman. that's after nadhim zahawi was sacked. kemi badenoch is the new business and trade secretary

lucy frazer has become the culture secretary, taking over from michelle donelan. she's been made a new science and technology secretary and the business, trade and culture department have been broken down into separate units with grant shapps now energy six charity secretary rishi sunak says the changes will help everybody . i changes will help everybody. i mean that we can reduce people's energy bills. so important it means we can produce more energy here at home, giving us independence and security. and it means we can transition to cleaner forms of energy as we hit on net zero ambitions and create jobs in the process as we're seeing here today. that's why today's changes are really important. we're focussed on delivering for the british people this will help us do people and this will help us do that. surrey police have confirmed the deaths of epsom college head teacher emma patterson and her daughter nettie are being treated as a murder investigation . the two murder investigation. the two bodies were found along with emma's husband george in the grounds of the school in the early hours of sunday morning.

the force had said george patterson had recently in patterson had recently been in contact with them about his shotgun licence in order to change his address to the site of the school . and lastly, the of the school. and lastly, the father of an obese teenager has been found guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence. 16 year old kaylee tit ford was found dead in the family home in newtown in wales in 2020. caylee was found in conditions which were described as being unfit for any animal. her mother was also found guilty of the same offence last year . of the same offence last year. you up to date on tv, online and dab, plus radio with gb news. but now to dewbs& co . but now to dewbs& co. thanks for that, polly. well, i'm michelle dewberry. i'm keeping you company right through since 7:00 tonight, i've got alongside tonight, so i've got alongside me toby young, the director of

the free speech union the the free speech union and the political consultant emma burnell . good evening to both of burnell. good evening to both of you. i've just discovered, ladies and gents, that toby young does a fantastic eight michelle dewberry impression . i michelle dewberry impression. i just discovered that follow . i just discovered that follow. i share it with the national party. better not. was it was a private preview for me? okay. take my word for it was quite impressive actually to run a new or anything. i reckon toby could stand in. and if you're listening not watching, i don't think it even know the difference. so i was. difference. i'm sorry. so i was. anyway you know the drill, don't you?ifs anyway you know the drill, don't you? it's not just oh you? it's not just about. oh sorry. it's about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you get in touch tonight? you can get in touch with all the usual. where's with me. all the usual. where's vaiews@gbnews.uk? is the email? or can tweet me at gb news. or you can tweet me at gb news. if that's your kind of thing. so much response, by the way, to the topic from yesterday about with dangerous dog acts . you with dangerous dog acts. you remember that one, whether or not you should have a licence when the dogs need to be kept on leads and all the rest of it. i was inundated with your lovely

dogs , boys and your lovely dog dogs, boys and your lovely dog pictures . and i just have to pictures. and i just have to show you this one tonight, because i thought it was so cute. so let me see if i can get it on the screen. look fun specimen. this is cooper, the dog. this is chris's dog. chris says that dogs are therapeutic and during covid, he helped my elderly parents with the lockdown. my dad passed lockdown. so when my dad passed away stepped up away a year ago, he stepped up and and my mum and helped me and my mum through. he says there are angels. when i looked at that, i don't to it a squeeze. don't want to give it a squeeze. i can't squeeze dogs through television. so i thought, i'll just him so just show you him instead. so cute . my brother has a dog who cute. my brother has a dog who looks just like that. also called cooper. oh really? so that's the name that's clearly the right name for that kind of dog. such a good dog. is it because i'm conscious that people are conscious that some people are listening, and listening, not watching it and thinking, is it's just thinking, what is it? it's just a big, fluffy kind of vanilla coloured dog, isn't i? that was it. that's as good my it. i mean, that's as good as my dog. no, a cat woman, i'm dog. no, i'm a cat woman, i'm afraid. obviously. i afraid. quite obviously. well, i know nothing about dogs, so i can't describe to you viewers what i'm showing listeners what

i'm on the screen. to i'm showing on the screen. to me, looks like a teddy me, it just looks like a teddy bear yeah. on legs. i think it bear. yeah. on legs. i think it could be a cat. apu i've got a camera to show the people , and camera to show the people, and it hasn't it with the curly hair? yeah, don't know. i just hair? yeah, i don't know. i just thought was cute and thought it was super cute and i just thought i'd share it with you. actually because it's so much gloom these days. much doom and gloom these days. and that nice and and i thought in that nice and so of you shared your dog so many of you shared your dog pictures as well. so thank you for that. the way, for doing that. by the way, there a new cabinet today there was a new cabinet today announced. we've more announced. we've had more cabinets haven't we cabinets and me i haven't we recently i didn't think it was that kind of interesting really to debate. have you to warrant much debate. have you got spectacular to got anything spectacular want to add cabinet survey. add about the cabinet survey. the original take the only remotely original take i have, michel, is that i was slightly surprised that the department for energy security has had a net zero tacked on the end because aren't those two things come complete contradict things come complete contradict things in terms how can you make britain energy secure and achieve zero targets? well achieve net zero targets? well it's going to help all of us, all these new departments and these new anything these new faces. anything spectacular show the spectacular you want to show the nafion spectacular you want to show the nation the new cabinet?

nation about the new cabinet? emma , other than i disagree emma well, other than i disagree with we found it with toby that we found it already net zero is already net net zero is essential to energy security creating and our own energy at home is how we have that birth . home is how we have that birth. no, i mean, this was a dull reshuffle. it just felt like a low energy reshuffle from a low energy government. i thought something that was interesting . something that was interesting. everyone at home, give me your thoughts as well. lee anderson he is going to be the deputy chair. what do you make of that? i thought was quite interesting, perhaps to try and re appeal reconnects with the so—called red wall. many of you write to me so you want him as your prime minister. but it's not the prime ministers who deputy chair instead. and i've got to say, i didn't actually found that that riveting it's not discussion points and give me your thoughts is that the cabinet that will lead the tories to victory at the next election or is it just a little bit irrelevant ? cooper a little bit irrelevant? cooper the little dog, by the way, is a cockapoo. one point to toby. i

say my panel there on the right. let's talk about a topic that i found quite interesting and concerning in equal measure is the demonisation of young men . the demonisation of young men. this is character you might be aware of him. andrew tate. he's apparently the king of toxic masculinity . there's been lots masculinity. there's been lots of conversation about the kind of conversation about the kind of role of young men and lots of conversation about consent. there's been teaching courses, how to tackle toxic masculinity . and it really worries me, toby, whether or not all of these young guys because you seen a rise in mental health issues , you've got a high rate issues, you've got a high rate of suicides among young men . are of suicides among young men. are they being demonised unfairly in your minds? i think they are, yes . you know, i've got three yes. you know, i've got three sons and you know, quite often i quite often hear about courses. they've had to do at their school. i mean, they haven't actually been had to do a course called toxic masculinity or how to tackle toxic masculinity, though i believe some teenage

boys are having to do courses like that. but nevertheless, you get the impression that the people teaching these courses don't have a very high estimation of what it is to be a man. they think it's essentially a malignant condition , a bit a malignant condition, a bit like having cancer, and that they're teaching young boys how to overcome the disadvantage years of being born. it's initially evil. they're considered kind of sinners. you have to be absolved of their sin and taught how how to behave better . i and taught how how to behave better. i mean, and taught how how to behave better . i mean, it's little better. i mean, it's little wonder that they're turning to people like andrew tate when the only, you know, official sources are telling them that being a man is something you should be ashamed of, is it i being a man? something to be shamed of? no, absolutely not. look, i'm a feminist and i make no bones about the fact that i centre my campaigning on women and women's rights. but i'm also a straight woman. so is absolutely in my interest for men to be happy and emotionally intelligent and well—adjusted . i'm also an aunt.

well—adjusted. i'm also an aunt. ihave well—adjusted. i'm also an aunt. i have a wonderful nephew and he's a proper lad. he likes his football is 18. so he goes out and gets drunk with his mates. but he's also emotionally intelligent and that's the balance. and i think we really, really have to separate the toxicity from the masculinity , toxicity from the masculinity, because if we just denigrate masculinity as a whole, that's a real problem , because this real problem, because this wonderful things about masculine thing, i'm looking across the stadia. i see you've got a book by grace and perry that i think he's fascinating on the broad span, the broad width that can be within masculinity. and so much attracted to, i'm much of it i'm attracted to, i'm interested in you . most of my interested in you. most of my close friends actually are men . close friends actually are men. and i think that there's a real danger that we just pigeonhole toxic masculinity, which is a very narrow way of addressing what being a man is from that much broader, much more interesting range and really celebrating all that boys can and should be. do you think there's a challenge, toby, because before previously you had quite specific gender roles.

so the woman would be stay at home. you raise the kids, you do the cooking, cleaning, whatever the cooking, cleaning, whatever the man was, the breadwinner, the man was, the breadwinner, the provider , the strong guy, the provider, the strong guy, and he protected his family. what you've had now is a massive erosion of that to try and create some form of equality. do you think that's a good thing or not? well, i think it can be a good thing, but i think it depends on how it's presented , depends on how it's presented, how it's taught, whether people feel under pressure to be something they're not. i mean, one of the confusing things i think you are a young boy is think if you are a young boy is that when what were traditionally masculine qualities driven, being qualities being driven, being a go getter, being competitive , go getter, being competitive, trying to achieve something , trying to achieve something, leave a legacy behind, if women now exhibit those qualities , now exhibit those qualities, they're thought to be virtues. isn't that fantastic ? you're isn't that fantastic? you're escaping your stereotype. you're overcoming thousands of years of patriarchal oppression . but if patriarchal oppression. but if boys try and do those things, if they try and succeed, if they try and win , if they try and try and win, if they try and achieve something really memorable that they want to be

famous and celebrated, that's somehow an example of toxic masculinity then. now expected to behave like women were forced to behave like women were forced to behave like women were forced to behave for thousands of years . is fair? what's the best . is that fair? what's the best thing . i don't think it's thing about. i don't think it's fair. i think there is an element that in some of the element of that in some of the extremes on debate. but extremes on the debate. but i don't should take the don't think we should take the extremes the debate as where extremes on the debate as where we where we really, we should be or where we really, really so there's really are. so i think there's plenty of celebration of male success, but it's there can be ways of celebrating male success that aren't simply about pouring into this as a very narrow view of what male success looks like. so cheerleading for men who want to stay at home with their children, as well as cheerleading men who run great and well run professional workplaces, as well as cheerleading and the england football team , for example, all football team, for example, all of these things are examples of men doing what they want to do really well, and those things , i really well, and those things, i think, absolutely should be championed. it's when we narrow it into that vision and you type

of i'm only successful because i've got 12 idiot cars and i can hang out with women i've essentially paid for and may well not be treating well. we'll see how that court case comes out. but you may not know good masculine , witty. and it doesn't masculine, witty. and it doesn't have to be the definite. and it really shouldn't be the definition of masculinity. definition of good masculinity. but it quite narrow, but you made it quite narrow, though, second said though, a second ago. you said something along lines of my something along the lines of my nephew. he's a proper boy, he's into football. i think he's a lad. i think there is a difference between, you know, he's your classic lad and there's nothing wrong with that. i love i love my nephew is a great, great lad. but i'm you know, to be fair, my niece is a very, very girly girl, but she also loves football. so when blurring the lines about what you can like and what you can do, great. but let's not do that in a way that denigrates masculinity or femininity. i think i think you're a bit more moderate and sensible than many of the people teaching courses

about toxic masculinity in schools to teenage boys. i mean , celia walden in her piece about this in the telegraph, she says that her friend's 13 year old son, after the horrific murder of sarah everard, was taken into an assembly with every boy in the school and essentially told that they needed to respect women as though any of them could at any moment become wayne cousins. and there this of this sort there is this kind of this sort of panic that we're of moral panic that we're somehow the midst of an somehow in the midst of an epidemic of violence against women girls . and unless we women and girls. and unless we retrain men, they could all turn into wayne cousins. it's like it's generalising from a few bad apples. you wouldn't tolerate that for a second if there was if it was done about, you know, black people or brown people. similarly for it to be done about men is really offensive as about men is really offensive as a man. i i think there's a man. i mean, i think there's a difference between saying and having a sense that boys should respect women, that should i mean, that should be standalone. things should be special things should be a special assembly. it should be a general sense we all have. women sense that we all have. women should respect men. men respect women. human beings

women. huge human beings should respect other . i women. huge human beings should respect other. i do women. huge human beings should respect other . i do think respect each other. i do think when say an epidemic, we are when you say an epidemic, we are talking about culture at the moment where two women are killed partners a week. killed by partners a week. so that feels quite epidemic to me. so i think we need to so i think we do need to understand there is understand that there is a culture that needs addressing where men who are feeling inadequate in some way are taking that out in violent ways upon the women in their lives. no men. we absolutely know that . and i've said this many, many times and it's again, it's about finding the balance between celebrating masculinity , celebrating masculinity, expanding the boundaries of what masculinity can and should mean , and recognising equality between the sexes, but also celebrating the difference between the sexes. tell me very quickly , what is masculinity? quickly, what is masculinity? toby i think it's being self reliant . it's toby i think it's being self reliant. it's being your own person , it's standing up for person, it's standing up for yourself. i think it's also caring and caring for and protecting those you love. i

think it's being response able. i think it's , you know, not, i think it's, you know, not, not, not wasting your life, not not, not wasting your life, not not, not, not not allowing yourself to be too easily distracted by easy pleasures, but to do something which takes self—discipline and that's really worthwhile . and that really worthwhile. and that takes a bit of commitment and hard work. that hard work. saffron that fascinating. the latter. you fascinating. the latter. but you just i just just said because i would just describe that as being driven, not masculine or feminine, but just being driven and focussed to achieve . and then would to achieve. and then you would define as must masculine, define that as must masculine, but on the flip side, i'm being a massive hypocrite because i will often say it's my friends like sacha. sometimes i feel like sacha. sometimes i feel like a bit more of a bully in some respects. so don't worry, i'm not about to start. i'm not called dave and isaac gets called dave and isaac gets called me. and him and all called me. he and him and all the rest of but sometimes the rest of it. but sometimes i do think i've got quite a lot of traits that are more carrot to why's associated with men. i'm quite a there's a way to want to use visit to town but i've i'm

quite i'm trying to think of an opposite way it's what i want to say for the test not to run. yeah, i think i've got a bit of testosterone. i think i'm very dnven testosterone. i think i'm very driven and all the rest of it. and i do think that is often associated with masculine. so let that open to at let me throw that open to you at home. what masculine? let's home. what is masculine? let's say we even start going say before we even start going about what's toxic about what's toxic. toxic masculinity. start with masculinity. i'll start with that can i have that question to you. can i have a about it let me know a think about it and let me know your thoughts? what is masculinity? as masculinity? you humble as being in saying i really hate, in touch, saying i really hate, so it in capital so let's put it in capital letters. business. letters. it means business. i hates the toxic hates the term toxic masculinity. it's meaningless, but it stigmatises as is all males and they simply can't escape with toxic escape being tied with a toxic brush. max says boys will never get over this sort of things. liberal women are the ones that have made life talks toxic for all males. never mind just boys. phil, phillip says it's getting so bad. i'm afraid to now look at a woman. i don't open doors for women any more and i would never give my seat to one on a bossif never give my seat to one on a boss if they think we're toxic, they can get on with it. i think

you raise a very interesting point there. this whole kind of opening giving seats opening doors and giving seats and that. must be and stuff like that. it must be very confusing because a lot of women chivalry. i certainly women like chivalry. i certainly do. those that do. i know lots of those that do, too, but it's confusing do, too, but it's very confusing , isn't it? should you do? , isn't it? what should you do? what you all what shouldn't you do when all the it. give me your the rest of it. give me your thoughts on that throughout the break. when i come back from the break, ask you there. break, i want to ask you there. i saw a teacher other day i saw a teacher the other day right. she was holding right. and she was holding up a sign that basically saying sign that was basically saying the only good tories are that tory, the only lib dem is a dead lib think that was pretty lib dem. i think that was pretty disgraceful , quite frankly. she disgraceful, quite frankly. she was it and it got was quite proud of it and it got me wondering, this my me wondering, this is my question for for out in the question for you for out in the break. you public break. do you think public servants have to have servants should have to have almost oath of impartial servants should have to have alet'st oath of impartial servants should have to have alet's say, oath of impartial servants should have to have alet's say, when ath of impartial servants should have to have alet's say, when performing �*tial , let's say, when performing their representing theirjob and be representing theirjob and be representing their trades , their business, their trades, their business, their trades, their business, their job when public , their job when out in public, you if you need .

to hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me. so beyond the director at the free speech union and the political consultant, emma burnell. welcome back, everybody . i've welcome back, everybody. i've been asking you guys about masculinity and toxic masculinity. trevor has been in touch. say masculinity is strength, courage , independence, strength, courage, independence, leadership and assertiveness. but couldn't you apply those traits to females as well? or if you apply them to a female, isn't that a female just perhaps displaying a masculine traits you tell me your thoughts on that. you tell me your thoughts on that . anthony mitchell call in that. anthony mitchell call in the break. your man . you said the break. your man. you said i have had my backside pinched on several occasions and women have deliberately rubbed themselves up against make up your mind on something you're saying that drunk women are as bad as anyone? oh goodness , mayor,

anyone? oh goodness, mayor, i don't feel i can comment on that with any authority anyway , let's with any authority anyway, let's talk about this story that certainly caught my eye and got a few of us talking when it comes to being a teacher , what comes to being a teacher, what do you think to this as a teacher? those held up a placard on our own instagram page, i hasten to add . i'm going to try hasten to add. i'm going to try and show you on the screen if i can. it basically said the only good tory, i mean, if you can read that. well, dominic, it looks like it's been school by a kid, but that's probably because it has been. it's one of our students apparently that says the only good tory is a dead tory and the only good lib dem is a dead lib dem. this teacher put it up on her instagram and said student of the week goes to the ledge who made me and fellow teacher this placard the same teacher this placard the same teacher as made very disparaging comments about the tories in the past . and it just got me past. and it just got me thinking like if you take a job in the public sector, whether you're a teacher or a nurse or

whatever, quite frankly, do you think that you should have to be politically impartial or when a doing your job or be representing your job in public? representing yourjob in public? because i do what do you think? i think you have to separate those two things. what is representing your job in public representing yourjob in public as a big and complex question? yeah. oh, it's after school. she's simple. if you're a teacher, are you going to go and stand on a picket line, i.e. you're representing your trade and you've got to hold placards like that? that's what i mean. okay, fine. so i mean, if she's as teacher, has every as a teacher, she has every right a political life right to a political life outside of the school, inside the school, her job is to teach the school, herjob is to teach all of the pupils whatever their politics. if you are teaching literature , sociology , politics literature, sociology, politics itself, economics , there are itself, economics, there are competing theories that they should be taught in the most neutral terms. so that kids can then look at them and make up their own minds. kids will come in with all sorts of influences parents who vote different ways and every in the same way that

anyone who walks through the doors of a hospital, no matter what they vote, don't vote at all. never vote in their life. everyone get same everyone should get the same treatment. really like treatment. i really don't like this kind of sloganeering. not least because as someone who is very left wing , very socialist, very left wing, very socialist, i think it's deeply , deeply i think it's deeply, deeply unhelpful to the left wing, cause i do not believe that we should be wishing death on our political opponents . i think we political opponents. i think we should not want to beat them at the ballot box, and that's as far as we should want to go. karen says it's shocking. this is why it is attack and kill and pays add in liverpool. i think you very point. you you make a very good point. you say you imagine if anyone say can you imagine if anyone held like that saying held up a sign like that saying for example , the only the only for example, the only the only good, i don't know, pick whatever you want to insert here. the only good muslim is a dead one. the only good christian is a dead one. do you any good anything is a dead one. if you wrote a song like that at all, i suspect rightly so. by the way, you'd probably be arrested. but yet, when it comes to political difference, it

seems strange to me seems to be okay. strange to me . yeah, well, think i disagree . yeah, well, i think i disagree with you on this, michel, because it comes up a lot at the free speech union companies, bosses don't want to apply workplace policies about what you can and can't say in the workplace what you can. and can't say on social media to people's private lives. so, for instance, that the free speech union, we represented a west midlands train driver who was sacked gross misconduct sacked for gross misconduct because he on his personal because he said on his personal facebook account after boris declared freedom day, july 19th, 2021, thank god the pubs are reopening . i didn't want to live reopening. i didn't want to live in a muslim alcohol free caliphate for the of my caliphate for the rest of my life. that was interpreted by life. so that was interpreted by a as islamophobic. a colleague as islamophobic. a complaint made and he was complaint was made and he was dismissed for gross misconduct even he'd said of even though he'd said it out of office. outside the office. i was outside the workplace a private facebook workplace on a private facebook account. that account. now you can say that this because the this is different because the teacher was actually obviously a teacher was actually obviously a teacher and representing her profession when she was holding up this sign. but i think if you if it has to be a hard and fast rule, those rules apply inside

the workplace during office hours, not outside the hours, but not outside the workplace. because if you say your representing your professional people will know that you work as a teacher at this particular school. that's a slippery slope that can almost always dredged reason always be dredged up as a reason to place speech outside the to place your speech outside the workplace. i think more workplace. i think the more worrying thing about this is that she was holding up a placard by a student and placard made by a student and that suggests and celebrating the that student had the fact that that student had made placard. that made that placard. and that suggests unaware of suggests that she's unaware of our responsibility under the 1996 education act to teach about politics in a balanced and impartial way. i think a lot of teachers aren't aware of that. they'll happily denounce the tories or denounce the government in class when they're teaching about, you know, government in class when they're teaching about , you know, racism teaching about, you know, racism or gender or whatever it might be. they'll do it in a very partisan , politically biased partisan, politically biased way, unaware that they have an obugafion way, unaware that they have an obligation not to indoctrinate their children, but to let them make their own minds about make up their own minds about contentious political issues. that, the worrying that, to me, is the worrying thing this, not the fact thing about this, not the fact that up the that she was holding up the sign. but where would you

sign. yes, but where would you draw the line in fact, would draw the line or in fact, would you draw the line? my view you draw the line? so my view with ad just said, for with an ad just said, for example, stood there example, if she was stood there holding a sign saying holding up a sign saying the only good muslim is a dead one, then only could christine is a dead a jew is a dead dead one and a jew is a dead one. whatever would be one. whatever they would be trouble. i think trouble. yeah, i think there would trouble because would be trouble then because that could conceivably be against the law. that could be an incitement to racial hatred, stirring up hatred against someone on the basis of their skin colour . someone on the basis of their skin colour. this someone on the basis of their skin colour . this is someone on the basis of their skin colour. this is slightly different. it's not against the law to stir up hatred against someone because of their political beliefs. it might be in due course, but it isn't at the moment. but i thought the whole crime thing, which i think is odd, you know, goes too is odd, you know, it goes too far. was made, bot far. he was made, bot notwithstanding to stand notwithstanding that to stand there only good talk there and say the only good talk because what i feel like a little bit as long as you're saying the only good for example tor is a dead one as long as your christian izing the tories , then you can kind of get away with it. that's how i feel a sentiment and

sentiment is in society and i think that is incredibly wrong. but own religion . ideology but i own religion. ideology isn't a protected characteristic , so it's not covered under the hate crime laws equality hate crime laws or the equality of or belief . it's but of religion or belief. it's but i'm sure this would fall i'm not sure this would fall under i think under that. yeah, i think i don't think anyone should be punished for expressing hatred . punished for expressing hatred. i mean, it's not a particularly attractive human emotion, but, you know, it's perfectly acceptable, i think, to hate certain things, even to hate certain things, even to hate certain people. i don't see why that should be a or why we that should be a crime or why we should so worried about it. should be so worried about it. i think you're a public think if you're a public servant, if you likes, if you work in the public sector and you to represent your role and you to represent your role and you will say, well, what do you mean represent your role? for example, i don't know if you're going a teachers convention, going to a teachers convention, if a picket if you're going to a picket line, you're to line, if you're going to a teachers training camp society, whatever there whatever you do and you're there for one reason one reason for one reason and one reason only, which is your occupation, then you shouldn't be making statements that are politically bias , politically motivated, bias, politically motivated, because then it's like you and i

agree or disagree before i remember this, that that nurse that went on telly and she was saying about tories, should they be resuscitate ? and she got be resuscitate? and she got fired i think for going on television and not for that statement, if i remember rightly. and i think that you were saying because i was saying she should lose her job for she should lose herjob for that. and i think if i remember right, saying that she right, you were saying that she shouldn't. i think that's shouldn't. yes, i think that's right. we did disagree about that. think this that. but i think in this instance, were to instance, if you were to prohibit a teacher because they're engaging they're a teacher from engaging in partisan in politically partisan behaviour kind , wouldn't behaviour of this kind, wouldn't that prevent them from striking 7 that prevent them from striking ? i mean, if for all we know that what these strikes really about are trying to undermine confidence the government, to confidence in the government, to try make sure labour's try and make sure labour's elected next mean, the elected next time. i mean, the fact that because you held up fact is that because you held up this veil is whisked this sign, the veil is whisked aside. it's obvious that it's motivated hatred of motivated by partisan hatred of the and not because the tories and not because there's a genuine cost of living crisis amongst the teaching profession a way it's profession. so in a way it's been that she's been been helpful that she's been allowed reveal the true allowed to reveal the true motives of the strikers in that

way. all right. and so i'll concede maybe she shouldn't get a i'll concede a criminal record. i'll concede on lose a job there on that. she'll lose a job there briefly. no? no on briefly. yes or no? no on deaung briefly. yes or no? no on dealing everybody. look at dealing with everybody. look at what i have to deal with on a daily basis . let's look at your daily basis. let's look at your thoughts, shall we? humble again, says school teachers need to at least be seen to be politically neutral. samantha says, my son's teacher told the whole class, the people who voted for brexit think the world is flat. some officers had i express any right wing opinions in school, i would have been frog marched out of there, mark says. frog marched out of there, mark says . yes, i found someone at st says. yes, i found someone at st mark's says yes, they should be sacked . there's no decision sacked. there's no decision here. they should keep their views to themselves . that's what views to themselves. that's what i think richard says. this is just the latest example of all of this. this idiot , his words, of this. this idiot, his words, not mine, should be made an example of you never see or hear people of a tory persuasion holding placards about lay labour while they kick us out. i'm at what i think they've been

on twitter lately. well, i'm going to take a quick break. when we come back, keep the thoughts coming but get this thoughts coming in. but get this a welsh speaking school is being placed special measures placed in special measures because too many pupils are speaking english and not celebrating that welsh. yes, i what do you think to this? how much effort should be put into protecting ? nurturing, if you protecting? nurturing, if you like, britain's minority languages, give me your thoughts. i'll see you .

in two. hello there, michelle dewberry . hello there, michelle dewberry. keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me. so beyond the director of the free speech union and the political consultant, emma benn, now lots of you getting in contact about that last topic about whether or not as a teacher you should be able to hold a placard saying the only good toy, for example,

is a dead one. steve says it's how disgusting is it for teachers to say the only good one, good toys, a dead one. it just shows the level of left wing bias in the union and the indoctrination of children and says, when i was a schoolboy in the seventies a teacher at our school was sacked because the headmaster heard him basically celebrating the virtues of welsh nationalism to his class. well, and lead me nicely saying to and you lead me nicely saying to my friend onto my next topic, because get this a primary school in wales has been put into special measures for letting children speak too much english. apparently inspectors there said pupils were not encouraged to celebrate their welsh culture and that traditions are . i'm going to traditions are. i'm going to start with you, toby, only because you bang the drum for free speech and all the rest of it. so free speech, i suspect. then you think that. absolutely. it's these pupils entitlement to speak whatever language they so choose. yes i'm not sure. but they're not being punished. the school is being punished for not

encouraging them to speak welsh more . i know strong feelings more. i know how strong feelings are on this topic in wales because i got into spot of because i got into a spot of difficulty about 20 years ago when promoting my book when i was promoting my book catholic friends and alienate people, appeared bangor people, i appeared in bangor on radio and was a little radio wales and i was a little bit late. night explained that i got because road signs in got lost because road signs in wales were in welsh and english and i'd seen the sign saying goths of station, imagining that i was in a town called goths off. but in fact gossip was the welsh weather station. anyway, i talked about this and how talked about this and said how absurd that all road absurd it was that all road signs in in signs were welsh in english in wales, given how tiny the fraction population fraction of the population is that speaks welsh in that actually speaks welsh in wales afterwards at the conclusion wales afterwards at the conclusiocaptain he said , got producer captain he said, i got some rather bad news. mr. young producer captain he said, i got so ourrather bad news. mr. young producer captain he said, i got so our listenersj news. mr. young producer captain he said, i got so our listeners took/s. mr. young producer captain he said, i got so our listeners took rather young producer captain he said, i got so our listeners took rather anrng of our listeners took rather an exception to about the exception to remarks about the welsh it's down welsh language. it's come down to studio it, i'll to the studio to have it, i'll tell like and i thought, tell you, like and i thought, crikey, really better show me at the when there is no back the back when there is no back where have to face the where you can have to face the music. and to navigate my music. and i had to navigate my way past this of welsh way past this kind of welsh troll steam coming out troll with steam coming out of his stamping around, his ears, stamping around, absolutely but i have

absolutely furious. but i have to say, he me a lesson. to say, he taught me a lesson. and the lesson that in in and the lesson is that in in places wales, scotland, places like wales, in scotland, northern care northern ireland, people care deeply their deeply about protecting their regional identity . and that regional identity. and that means preserving every aspect of their cultural heritage. they can in that language. so can include in that language. so i'm now sympathetic that, god, i'm now sympathetic that, god, i'm to the school i'm sympathetic to the school who wanted the children to speak, speak welsh more. i almost want to take you home with and get you to do your with me and get you to do your welsh because my nana was welsh and obviously she passed away now. and just hearing you talk like your welsh like that, your little welsh accent, it did give me a little reminiscing of my of funny how you'll it. well shucks and you'll do it. well shucks and accent . what do you make to this accent. what do you make to this . i mean, i suspect that there's a lot more to any school being put in to special measures than one area and schools are being put in special measures is quite an extreme position for. schools itend an extreme position for. schools i tend to go through various stages before that happens. so i don't think one area of this the

inspection will put them into special measures. so there's probably a lot more going on in this school. this is the bit that's been highlighted. i think kids learning multiple languages is a brilliant idea. kids learning multiple languages is a brilliant idea . and it's is a brilliant idea. and it's i really regret that i didn't start learning another language until i was 11. i wasn't very good. until i was 11. i wasn't very good . i sit by that point. i good. i sit by that point. i speak little italian and piccolo . but beyond that, really very little. and it's regret in my life that i don't have that. and i watch kids. i know speaking quite fluently in other languages before they're ten because they've travelled that bit more because they've their parents have really taken the opportunities , see, because they opportunities, see, because they are doing a bit more language in primary school now. and i just think that's wonderful because the ways you can just the the ways that you can just the more ways we can communicate with each other, the better and learning different languages does you a really great does give you a really great business advantage and see just a way of thinking in different

ways. as someone who's obsessed with languages , i with communication languages, i just i think it's so important to find as many ways as possible to find as many ways as possible to express ourselves . and so, to express ourselves. and so, you know, having kids learn as many languages as possible, whether that be welsh or japanese or esperanto , great. go japanese or esperanto, great. go for it . who came off best, by for it. who came off best, by the way? you all. the welsh fella. the welsh fella. but he tells that story about he goes around the pubs to this day telling a story about when he gave one to toby. les has been in touch saying is welsh is an indigenous language, not a minority language, and it should be protected . carroll if you go be protected. carroll if you go to a welsh school , respect the to a welsh school, respect the language and why you're there or go to an english speaking school . philip says. i'm welsh, but i'm sick of receiving bilingual official mail twice the pay it for twice the cost. and i suspect it's because even the welsh speakers read , the english

welsh speakers read, the english sun says we spend an absolute fortune in wales on all public documentation being duplicated and printed in welsh. all public sector telephone messaging is spoken in welsh first. whilst we're also sitting and waiting for it to be spoken in english. i've got some costs , by the way, i've got some costs, by the way, about uk translation . so just to about uk translation. so just to be clear, i'm not giving you costs of just the welsh translation or anything like that, but in total uk, nhs trusts spend . about that, but in total uk, nhs trusts spend. abou t £130 million trusts spend. about £130 million on interpreters during 2019 to 20, say sorry , the tax year 20, say sorry, the tax year 2019, 22, 21, 22. that was an average . of 2019, 22, 21, 22. that was an average. 0 f £725,000 per nhs average. of £725,000 per nhs trust. i think the translation is a little bit ridiculous when you get a letter from you and i'm going off topic a little bit, but links when you get a letter from the nhs, you do you get pages of translation and it well i actually don't think it's

right . i mean well i actually don't think it's right. i mean it i can if i, if i was a non welsh speaking resident in wales who had to wade through reams of stuff that was being paid for by my rights in welsh before getting to the engush in welsh before getting to the english part, i can imagine me quite irritated. but there are other, i mean i think it'll be quite hypocritical of the westminster government to preach , welsh government about , to the welsh government about wasting because wasting taxpayers money because think wastage today think of the wastage today michelle, all those departments being renamed , think of all the being renamed, think of all the headache paper, the business cards that have to be i mean, if i had the stationery concession for whitehall, i'd now be a multi millionaire because they change their names every eight months. the thing is, the months. but the thing is, the i think people would struggle think most people would struggle to the cabinet anyway. so to name the cabinet anyway. so you could perhaps even just do away with all the business cards. to change that cards. seems to change that frequently. looking into frequently. i was looking into the language do the cornish language today. do you many fluent you know how many fluent speakers cornish there are in speakers of cornish there are in this do not now. but this country? i do not now. but it i do now. kernow i'm going to guess 10,000 and tune out how

many ? i'm going to go higher. many? i'm going to go higher. 50,000. well, unless my information is incorrect, then there are apparently only 300. well, fluent speakers and apparently lots of people more have some knowledge but are not fluent . you could set up a great fluent. you could set up a great secret society , couldn't you? secret society, couldn't you? talking to each other in cornish kernow yes. well, 300 of you apparently could do i can give directions in, jasmine. very good. and i'm very proud of that. i remember from my school days, but that is about all. can you speak any language? can the germans understand you? you germans understand you? when you speak you your whole speak heavily? you your whole accent well off? do you save a whole accent? but what i try to do i try to put on a german do is i try to put on a german often, but my dad, david, i do that whichever foreign country i go to, i try. i basically speak engush go to, i try. i basically speak english with some peculiar accent , thinking that they might accent, thinking that they might be able to somebody because i'm speaking whatever accent, i think that it is that i'm adopting anyway . do you guys are

adopting anyway. do you guys are you multilingual ? what are you you multilingual? what are you at home? i do agree with you. the language is they do open up so much opportunity for people that they how much , though, do that they how much, though, do you think we should invest in protecting those regional languages that we have got to take a quick break. when we come back, i want to talk to you about minutes. is all of about 15 minutes. this is all of you to this concert. do you you here to this concert. do you like are you worried about like it? are you worried about it all? do not even know what i'm talking about. whatever it is, see you into .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. alongside me. i've got toby young, the director of free speech union and the political consultant emma burnell and toby has been telling me an interesting story about a new development in technology, apparently, where for some deaf people, apparently

you can get some glasses. is that when someone's talking you we'll put subtitles right in front of your very eyes. i've never heard of it. sounds quite interest going all quite interest going all out, quite distracting , i would imagine. do distracting, i would imagine. do you those kind of things? you use those kind of things? get touch. me know. get in touch. let me know. anyway let's talk for 15 minutes. cities. head of minutes. cities. i'll be head of this concept. in essence it sounds like quite a good idea . sounds like quite a good idea. in essence, i do caveat . in essence, i do caveat. basically, you have only different things that you need, whether schools, your whether it's your schools, your doctors, you be doctors, whatever you won't be able into any of these able to get into any of these things. don't about things. but don't worry about that. all of your that. you have all of your facilities within 15 minutes of walking, public transport, a walking, public transport, not a problem, it becomes problem, not asthma. it becomes problem, not asthma. it becomes problem when you start looking at actually what they then at actually what they will then do start restricting movement do is start restricting movement among these zones, these regions. many people are concerned about this saying it's all about control. are you on that ? i think all about control. are you on that? i think 15 all about control. are you on that ? i think 15 minute all about control. are you on that? i think 15 minute cities are great. i can't believe the things that we find to build culture war around now. culture war points around now. it it's just it just hilarious. it's just a way of that people who live way of sure that people who live in towns suburbs and in small towns and suburbs and what you have local

what have you have local amenities that are good and if you have local amenities that are good, you will travel less . are good, you will travel less. you never travel again. you won't never leave your neighbourhood again, but you will need to live it less often. and that's a good thing you should. people should have things on their doorsteps that helps day helps them live their day to day lives and 50 minute cities. it's just it's a neighbourhood planning phrase that has been taken this bizarre realm taken into this bizarre realm completely outside of what actually anyone who's working it is going to be doing with it, which is, as i say, just trying to make suburbs and small towns and commuter towns and places that are like sat apparently considered satellites to big cities. so they don't have the amenities because, hey, you can just go into london or whatever actually have those on their doorstep and i think that's a great thing. you can watch trusting them. me, toby young, what do you make to it? yeah, i'm a fan. i think of it as i'm not a fan. i think of it as the latest battlefront in the war on the motorist. so the way these minute cities will work these 50 minute cities will work is you travel in

is that if you travel in a motorway sized vehicle from from 150 minute zone to another , you 150 minute zone to another, you can only do that a certain number of times per year. and if you exceed that number, then you'll face quite heavy fines . you'll face quite heavy fines. and i don't think that people's movement should be controlled in this way. this feels very draconian, feels like an interference in people's. now, the idea, of course, is to reduce carbon emissions. but you can you can easily imagine, you know , not all the facilities you know, not all the facilities you need being a 15 minute radius of your house. i mean, councils are going impose these zones going to impose these zones and impose these traffic fines on people who travel too often, between them before they put the schools and the chemists and the hospitals even if hospitals in place. and even if there is a school, know, 50 there is a school, you know, 50 minutes there might one minutes away, there might be one 2 away. you know, then 2 minutes away. you know, then your kid might want to be driven there if very young, be there if he's very young, be won't be to that more won't be able to do that more than of times a year if than x number of times a year if they these restrictions in they put these restrictions in place. so feels me like a place. so it feels to me like a recipe for a lot resentment, recipe for a lot of resentment, a way trying to control this,

a way of trying to control this, which just isn't welcome. i worry that some of these councillors getting a little councillors are getting a little bit power hungry. i think bit too power hungry. i think the covid situation went to their heads because they realised what we can't believe the look hammer because they probably lot of people came up with these about with some of these ideas about we will and lock people in we will try and lock people in the house pretty much only the house is pretty much only allow for about an allow them out for about half an hour whatever is that was hour a day whatever is that was probably that went probably shock that people went for now i do worry that for it and now i do worry that we've the situation where we've got the situation where you've these lower you've got these lower neighbourhoods popping up. absolutely feels absolutely everywhere. it feels like these like you've got these ulez charges, 15 minutes. owen charges, these 15 minutes. owen that's what you're talking about. sounds wonderful. all these things on doorstep, these things on your doorstep, brilliant. but as toby says, for example, the one that's due to be trialled in oxford, you're only leave zone only allowed to leave your zone a hundred times in a year to sort of register. yeah, yeah . sort of register. yeah, yeah. so, i mean, twice a week in your car, i get it because i live in what is a essentially a 50 minute neighbourhood because i live in a part of london that's

really well, you know, got great amenities. i get my car maybe once a week if that's good for you . you know what the key you. you know what the key concepts of that is? choice but what's the joy of my choice is i've also got great public transport. now, i agree with you that you have to do this the right way round . you have to put right way round. you have to put the amenities and transport systems in first before you say actually know the modal has to happen first. i live in waltham forest. we had a low traffic neighbourhood about ten years before anyone else . it was before anyone else. it was called mini holland for about five years. many holland was a swearword locally and then we got used to it and we all actually really like it now. and things have changed and things are so think just are better. so i think it's just are better. so i think it's just a case getting things done in a case of getting things done in the right in the right the right way, in the right order. think i think michelle order. i think i think michelle makes point. i think one makes a good point. i think one of the reasons they are becoming such focal point opposition such a focal point of opposition in oxford, canterbury , elsewhere in oxford, canterbury, elsewhere is that there hasn't been any democratic consent asked for or

given these council, these councillors are just deciding to do it. they think it's the right thing to do. they want to reduce carbon emissions. they haven't stood a platform, a manifesto of introducing this. they consulted about it. in many cases the about it. and in many cases the response the consultation has response to the consultation has been overwhelmingly negative and yet they're doing it anyway. there's sense of, you know, there's a sense of, you know, they're doing what they think people suck because people should suck up because it's them, because it's good for them, not because they'd it. and that's they'd consent to it. and that's not democratic. oxford council of says some a criticism of inquiry says some a criticism that they've received about this. saying that these this. they're saying that these things wrongly described things are wrongly described as climate lockdowns. they're saying that there have been consultations on things like traffic filters and they are at pains to stress that this a trial that they will be consulting on the outcome of. yeah i mean i think it is important to make clear that it isn't , you know, the equivalent isn't, you know, the equivalent of a lockdown . people won't be of a lockdown. people won't be imprisoned in these 15 minute zones. they'll be able to walk to other 50 minutes and they'll be able to travel by bicycle,

presumably electric too presumably by electric car, too . it's if they want to . it's only if they want to travel more number of travel more than x number of times year in a diesel or times per year in a diesel or petrol driven vehicle that they'll have to pay they'll be they'll have to pay a fine that's fine. so i think that's important . and no one wants to important. and no one wants to encourage people overreacting because they've missed understood exactly what the plan is. but yeah , oxford is. but yeah, oxford call it a trial, but you know, according to this this piece in eco news, 100 councils across the country have signed up for these to become 15 minute cities. so i don't think anyone realistically expects to go ahead . you expects it not to go ahead. you know, it's not really a trial. this happening. do you this is happening. well, do you know i think is know what i think is interesting? about electric interesting? what about electric cars because if cars in all this? because if everyone's so desperate to protect economy, so not the protect the economy, so not the economy, the environment, and there's these pushes to there's all these pushes to electric cars, come those electric cars, how come those things be things are going to be restricted surely they restricted as well? surely they would free pass. many of would get a free pass. many of you getting touch there and you getting in touch there and saying is about control, saying this is about control, about taxing . it's another tax , about taxing. it's another tax, says leon, but with a sinister element for an end. i got to say, i think power's gone to

their head and i don't like it. emma, toby, thank for your emma, toby, thank you for your company guys at home. thank you. have wonderful and i'll have a wonderful night and i'll see tomorrow tomorrow . good see you tomorrow tomorrow. good evening . it'll be getting windy evening. it'll be getting windy through wednesday across the northern half of the uk, at least. we have a met office warning in the far northwest further south winds further south light winds tonight frost . tonight means fog and frost. i'll steadily clear to reveal plenty of sunshine by the afternoon under the influence of high pressure. but further north, an approaching weather fronts squeezing the ice of us together , the winds up together, the winds picking up through night across the far through the night across the far northwest and stronger northwest and getting stronger by wednesday morning to the south, the winds are light as the frost is returning and the fog is thickening as well. fog is thickening up as well. but gloopy conditions in places by wednesday morning that fog will be around through the morning rush hour well. and morning rush hour as well. and we day well below we start the day well below freezing, two minus three. freezing, minus two minus three. that's towns and ruled that's towns and cities ruled spots, minus possibly plus spots, minus six, possibly plus five six. in urban areas five or six. in urban areas further north because there's more cloud . and because of those more cloud. and because of those winds. as i said that fog

winds. now, as i said that fog is going stick around through is going to stick around through tomorrow morning's rush hour. so bear mind, could be bear that in mind, could be pretty clearing by late pretty dense clearing by late morning. strengthening morning. the wind strengthening through the in the far through the day in the far northwest . we have a met office northwest. we have a met office yellow warning place. those yellow warning in place. those winds some winds likely to cause some disruption ferry services but disruption to ferry services but also affect the bridges. and then a narrow but intense band of rain comes in here later on elsewhere , most places dry, lots elsewhere, most places dry, lots of sunshine in the south, quite cloudy across southern scotland and northern ireland quite and northern ireland and quite windy well. but the windy here as well. but the strongest are in the far strongest winds are in the far north as this band of rain moves through. just through. the winds could just whip up a notch further. then there'll a bit of snow there'll be a bit of snow following across northern following on across northern scotland. this rain scotland. and then as this rain band pulls southwards, it kind of will of fizzles. so although we will see little better across see a little better across england and wales, we're not going see much. perhaps going to see much. perhaps a grey damp in southern grey damp start in southern parts on thursday morning, but then we'll see some sunny spells still windy on thursday in northern scotland , but certainly northern scotland, but certainly not as windy as it will be tomorrow. but blustery showers coming in here again. most other parts dry and fine on thursday ,

parts dry and fine on thursday, some decent spells of sunshine and temperatures getting up to about average seven, eight, nine, maybe ten in the nine, nine, maybe ten in the southwest .

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