hey welcome along gets me patchy . christie's here once again on the 8 pm. slot tonight it's debate central having scraps on everything from jemima beg them to net zero you will not want to miss a second. the bbc released a documentary about shamima begum today and you'd think after releasing a podcast series with a cold, i am a monster. they might have toned it down a bit. but now times magazine as well. i've run a front page of her looking on. she was about to start show. the only start her own tv show. the only way is honest is maybe being

explosive. and speaking of isis and extremism. the independent review of prevent is due to be released tomorrow with a variety of controversial links bubbling their to the surface . the their way to the surface. the programme been accused of programme has been accused of funding extremist know the exact opposite of they're meant to be doing also in like your local council do you feel that you get your money's worth or perhaps no matter how you pay they don't fill in the potholes and there's always a problem with the rubbish well good news, people good because of good news because a bunch of councils want to increase your tax. that's classic. it's never the other way around, does it kevin mackenzie will join me for diatribe of that and to diatribe on all of that and to round it all up the prime minister has created a new department. position called department. i'm position called energy multi and net energy secure multi and net zero. a contradiction if ever i've heard one. what's next? the department for war and peace will be debating one too i never get. so let me know what you think. gb views. gb news uk. you can anything and will can ask me anything and will endeavour to answer it. that's all coming your way after the

latest polly latest headlines with polly middlehurst . patrick thanks very middlehurst. patrick thanks very much indeed. our top story , the much indeed. our top story, the metropolitan police commissioner has apologised for failings . the has apologised for failings. the force after sentencing the former officer david carrick today. former officer david carrick today . the 48 year old has been today. the 48 year old has been handed six life sentences and will a minimum of 30 years for sexual offences against a dozen women . carrick pleaded guilty to women. carrick pleaded guilty to 49 charges, including 24 counts of rape, all carried out whilst he was a serving met police officer. smart role he said he , officer. smart role he said he, is determined to root out the bad apples in the force. people going to be very shaken by this. i completely recognise that we are determined to tackle this . are determined to tackle this. most of our people are great people . we've been too weak in people. we've been too weak in getting to the ones he wants. so you're to see month by month changes as we remove individuals and you can report on that i

know my words today aren't enough. know my words today aren't enough . people have heard me enough. people have heard me talk about plans and they can only see the action that we take over the coming months. they will see that. meanwhile, lancashire police says it still believes nicola fell into the river. wyre while she was out walking her dog ii river. wyre while she was out walking her dog 11 days ago. the underwater two search for the mother of two continues as the force is also around 500 lines of enquiry, although so far has not found any evidence of criminality . specialist group criminality. specialist group international who are helping the police in their search of the police in their search of the river. while peter folding told gb news. the case is unusual. when nicola went missing on the day the police divers were deployed into the river here to search. and normally, if somebody drowns, they go straight to the bottom . they go straight to the bottom. and that's in my 20 odd years of experience of dealing with drowning victims. you know, done the hundreds of cases . now they the hundreds of cases. now they go to the bottom . the river's go to the bottom. the river's slow move. they won't go far.

but the police divers are very professional. did not even find a vein . and that's the that's a vein. and that's the that's the weird thing . the foreign the weird thing. the foreign secretary says three british people are missing following the earthquakes in turkey and, syria. rishi sunak has also pledged the uk's support to turkey's president following , turkey's president following, the disaster that is believed to have killed more than 6000 people in the country and neighbouring . a british search neighbouring. a british search and rescue team with 77 members with specialist equipment and dogsis with specialist equipment and dogs is currently assisting with rescue effort in the country. the first 7.8 magnitude quake hit yesterday morning with the second quake matching . 7.5. just second quake matching. 7.5. just a few hours later . the prime a few hours later. the prime minister has revealed his new today following a reshuffle . he today following a reshuffle. he also created for new departments. greg hunt takes over as the new conservative party chairman after nadeem was sacked. can we badenoch is the

new business and trade secretary. lucy frazer become the culture secretary taking over from michelle donelan , over from michelle donelan, who's been made a new science head secretary. the trade and culture departments have been broken down into separate units . grant shapps now the energy security secretary , those are security secretary, those are your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. you're up to date on tv, online and tv. plus, right here . and tv. plus, right here. watching gb news tonight where, laurence fox has patrick in charge . charge. well, thanks to that , polly. well, thanks to that, polly. okay, so remember the infamous jihadi bride, shamima bakam? well, she's still begging for the forgiveness. a month ago , the forgiveness. a month ago, the forgiveness. a month ago, the bbc divided opinion by releasing a podcast called i'm not a monster, which gave the controversial exorcist bride a platform to give her side of the story seemingly false, an

attempt to humanise her and elicit some sympathy. well today the bbc have released a documentary called the shamima begum story, detailing her story travelling to syria in 2015 to join islamic state and her experiences with the terrorist group. well it's complete her press kit baker was even featured on the front page of times magazine. now we go back to this claim that she was trafficked and she does think she is a bad person. but the question is, should we view her as an enemy of the state or just as an enemy of the state or just a child who was groomed , a child who was groomed, brainwashed? well, here to debate this question is former counter—extremism coordinator charlotte littlewood, now of the henry jackson society and political commentator and founder anti—racist founder of anti—racist organisation run racism out. it is bushra sheikh . bushra, i'll is bushra sheikh. bushra, i'll start with you if that's alright . should the bbc be trying rehabilitate shamima begum reputation? absolutely they totally should be. and you know what? i will tell you why,

because we as the public, as a society sometimes forget that she was just 15 when all of this happened. because it has been so long and the story has, you know, clearly moved forward. we forget this element of it. and i just feel like the consideration in this empathy is lacking. so i am genuinely for that. i feel like we need to humanise her again. i mean , that's quite again. i mean, that's quite a strong start. charlotte littlewood of the henry jackson society , i'll throw over to you society, i'll throw over to you the itv channel. they decided to go for matt hancock . the itv channel. they decided to go for matt hancock. didn't the itv channel. they decided to go for matt hancock . didn't the go for matt hancock. didn't the bbc appear to have stumped for shamima ? i'm well, i would say shamima? i'm well, i would say i absolutely disagree and that she should not be rehabilitated , should not be rehabilitated, seen as as as a victim, as it were, by seeing her as a we are feeding into the very narrative thatis feeding into the very narrative that is inducing, radicalised in the first place. and you will see it tomorrow with the prevent review. william shawcross being very heavily critical of the way in which the media portrays terrorists as victims. but is this victim narrative that puts our young people that threat

from so this is disturbing the very risk that we to tackle. but what message does this send out to people are 15 years old say who frankly think well , i can who frankly think well, i can actually go and join a jihadi cult somewhere in the middle east now and maybe so suicide bombers into suicide vests. and i'll just come back to tower hamlets after it's all said and done. it's not really about what message this is going out to. 15 year actually quite the year olds actually is quite the opposite, because normally 15 year olds are carrying on with their doing their life and they're doing what and in the what teenagers do. and in the extreme will extreme cases, you will get individuals come that come individuals that come that come across type of people across these type of people onune across these type of people online that are going to exploit them because they are vulnerable , are naive. so this is a message, 15 year old, this is a message, 15 year old, this is a message to us as a society to say this is not norm more. this isn't the rule. you know what i mean? we have to understand just just quickly, before back , just quickly, before i go back, charlotte, question charlotte, about this question of . is it just her of vulnerability. is it just her age that makes her vulnerable because it teaches that she was predicted to get top grades

school that was quite school and that she was quite a smart girl. so she doesn't really seem to any mental really seem to have any mental vulnerabilities, i.e. she knew what doing. right. what she was doing. okay. right. so, obviously there so, you know, obviously there are components are different components to this. someone this. when we categorise someone that , there that is vulnerable, there are lots different elements. lots of different elements. it could in terms of could be her history in terms of family. family dynamics family. what was family dynamics like? friendship like? what were friendship circles like? what she circles like? what was she viewing this is stuff viewing online? this is stuff that really need to consider. that we really need to consider. i as parent this i myself, as a parent this concerns me as well. this could happen one of our happen to any one of our daughters. honestly because of the social climate the way that the social climate is being online. okay, is with being online. okay, charlotte, your respond to all of that . i seeing her as of that. i seeing her as vulnerable as seeing as groomed and the word i've seen used is trafficked is just hugely insulting to those that groomed and traffic trafficked by the islamic state. so i spent this afternoon having a look at some case studies and i looked at amazon, an eight year old boy who was abducted and trained to shoot yazidi his own people and be complicit in a genocide of

his own people. and then nadia who was abducted , gang raped who was abducted, gang raped and, then sold on various times. and there are 3000 plus yazidi women still missing . so i think women still missing. so i think when we're talking about trafficking, that is the trafficking. and shamima , trafficking. and shamima, meticulous , she sought out a way meticulous, she sought out a way in which to get to syria. she even stole jewellery from her own parents to be able to fund her own traffic , her own because her own traffic, her own because she was programmed that way. she was programmed like to do that pressure on them. bushra why are you so conniving that she was thoroughly , completely and thoroughly, completely and utterly brainwashed evidence? is that to say that ? i will say that to say that? i will say that to say that? i will say that simply because everything points in that direction given her age, have family the claim that we live in in society people are islamophobic . this is people are islamophobic. this is you know these are all contribute factors. you know a

15 year old thinking, okay, what do i need to do? where is the help for these individuals? rather than calling her some kind of criminal or a villain? she is a victim and she belongs to the uk. she our problem if she is a problem of the missing something here we missing the one thing that really is the risk and that's the ideology and as she said that she saw beheadings and she was okay with that because she saw islamically ordained . she said that she ordained. she said that she loves her husband and that she in him fighting for his religion . these are ideological issues. this is what we should be focusing on, what we should be tackling on, rather than looking at any other reason, anything to blame than the ideology blame other than the ideology itself. just to clarify , bushra, itself. just to clarify, bushra, do you think that unless i met her, do you think that islamophobia pushed shamima begum to leave this country and join isis? i'm not saying that was a sole purpose. i'm saying we have to accept that

islamophobia exists. and i'm telling you, when you all started with this, you started with this, when you ostracise people enough and they don't part of a community don't feel part of a community they feel like they belong they don't feel like they belong anywhere. when they anywhere. this is when they become vulnerable other that become vulnerable to other that make them feel like they are welcome . this is serious, with welcome. this is serious, with risk, with respect . she she risk, with respect. she she lived tower hamlets . i go. lived in tower hamlets. i go. i said. and join a supremacist death cult. the answer to being. so she also shot signs to these grievances which are very real . grievances which are very real. i completely agree with you. the answer is not to see beheadings and think that that's okay and to go and join a supremacist racist death cult . charlotte, racist death cult. charlotte, i'll just sit with you on this. i'll just sit with you on this. i don't know your personal circumstances don't need to know. you've got a hypothetical 15 year old daughter for the purposes of this discussion and your 15 year old daughter does this. do own a or do you this. do you own a or do you fight for three terms? the uk ? fight for three terms? the uk? me, myself, personally, yes . me, myself, personally, yes. yeah.i me, myself, personally, yes. yeah. i think my myself

personally, i take the risk of society and my responsibility over my daughter and the risk that i may have been a part creating in that grievance matrix . so i would be very matrix. so i would be very concerned about the society which she would then be returning to and the risk that i would then be bringing to the uk . so i would be concerned about the laws that we have, concerned about what we can do to safeguard the uk from when she went, if she returned . sorry at went, if she returned. sorry at the moment just going to you know honestly compassion honestly do you need to a mother that question until you're a parent and you don't have a child you do not know what you would do for them. it's very easy you to have these theories and this to say you wouldn't do that it's very different when it's your child in front of you and this is happening to them. so i genuinely that and that answer from you was not totally honest . how would you feel if honest. how would you feel if you inside was complicit in

genocide? i find that so hard. if my child had become complicit in genocide , yes, i would. i in genocide, yes, i would. i would have my as a mother, but i would have my as a mother, but i would then have my responsibility to society as a whole , complicit in genocide . i whole, complicit in genocide. i don't understand how do you how you can still have an orphanage sympathy because perhaps she didn't know what she was being complicit to. these are genuine questions if you'll be really honest about this. so, bushra , honest about this. so, bushra, do you not think that shamima begum has any blame and culpability for this whatsoever? mean, at the very least . at the mean, at the very least. at the very least, she's guilty of being thick ? yeah, totally. being thick? yeah, totally. look, you know, i'm not going to sit here and say that she was completely innocent. perhaps there are elements this that she didn't know. wolf, you know, the point that even if she's a problem, even if this is going to a problem, she's to be a problem, future, she's the . so we need to the uk's problem. so we need to bnng the uk's problem. so we need to bring her back. that's the fair system have her trial system and have her trial here in question going to in question here. i'm going to finish that one. i'm going to

finish on that one. i'm going to finish on that one. i'm going to finish with you, finish on that one with you, charlotte. go on and come charlotte. yeah, go on and come back to that. no, i agree with that. i think that the uk needs to responsibility for. the to take responsibility for. the illegal approach to returnees to take responsibility for. the illegl l approach to returnees to take responsibility for. the illegl l apprwe're to returnees to take responsibility for. the illegl l apprwe're inreturnees to take responsibility for. the illegl l apprwe're in aturnees to take responsibility for. the illegl l apprwe're in a shambolic and i think we're in a shambolic position moment the position at the moment with the laws present we need have laws at present we need to have retrospective laws which we can then charge people forjoining then charge people for joining and aiding and abetting terrorist organisations . so that terrorist organisations. so that would be my job. very, very final word on this, charlotte, just for some clarity. so you would take the bring about, but then lock her up approach? yes, i'm at the moment the reason why we've the approach we've we've had the approach we've taken didn't the laws taken is we didn't have the laws in so we need to out our in place. so we need to out our legal approach to return and then issue. then we need to handle issue. look, both you, thank very look, both of you, thank very much. way start the much. what a way to start the show. fabulous debate and discussion. thank you so, so much. with is now much. a little with that. is now of henry jackson society of the henry jackson society former counter—extremism co—ordinator and political commentator of commentator and founder of anti—racism organisation run racism out. bushra sheikh, both of you , great stuff. thank you. of you, great stuff. thank you. so, so much. right now, of course , the times magazine

course, the times magazine didn't immediately respond for comment notes about slump issue being on the front page . but being on the front page. but there we go. there we. anyway, thank you to both of my guests. of course, a way to kick start the show, but loads of you have been getting in touch on all of this. keep your views coming in. gb views on gb news dot uk. we'll to those years very, very shortly up we'll shortly and indeed up we'll be discussing awaited on discussing the long awaited on the led anti terror the government led anti terror group provisions . a bit of group provisions. a bit of a theme to the top of the show, but they will reportedly be accused of treating terrorism like a mental illness. interesting stuff . back .

in three or. all right. welcome back world now before anything else regarding that shamima begum document , a regarding that shamima begum document, a bbc regarding that shamima begum document , a bbc spokesperson document, a bbc spokesperson said this is not a platform for shamima begum to give her

unchallenged story. this is a robust public interest investigation into who she really is and what she really did . we'd also encourage people did. we'd also encourage people to watch the documentary and make own minds up, right? make their own minds up, right? that's way. now so let's that's not the way. now so let's get thoughts next on this. get your thoughts next on this. dennis says , why is she able to dennis says, why is she able to get ads on who is funding her pr machine ? yes, gary's been on. he machine? yes, gary's been on. he says she a victim without doubt, but media have also done a lot of harm . she needs to be of harm. she needs to be returned and said to her behaviour and be rebuilt . i behaviour and be rebuilt. i can't help but wonder though, gary. it does come down to that question, doesn't it, do you think that people be think that some people can be rehabilitated? there are rehabilitated? so there are certain there? certain crimes, aren't there? well, jury very well, i think the jury is very much whether or not much out on whether or not people can get better. i don't need to rattle all of those off, people can get better. i don't nee one rattle all of those off, people can get better. i don't nee one of :tle all of those off, people can get better. i don't nee one of those. of those off, people can get better. i don't nee one of those isf those off, people can get better. i don't nee one of those is terrifyingf, but one of those is terrifying is if somebody has been absolutely innocently radicalised, not to the point where something where they've googled something a on the internet a bit fruity on the internet about a particular artist don't care about. but actually they've decided going to leave decided they are going to leave their family home in their home, their family home in that and their life, then that school and their life, then go a jihadi death cult,

go and join a jihadi death cult, maybe that's the kind person maybe that's the kind of person who rehabilitated. but who can't rehabilitated. but gary, think they be gary, if think they can be you're a man than me. you're a better man than me. chris patrick she's, an chris says patrick she's, an enemy of the state. what the hell wrong? the standard hell is wrong? the standard bearers the bbc and fact bearers at the bbc and in fact the times years was serving the times for years was serving up. that's watching. beheadings, championing . the thing is as championing. the thing is as well i mean yes i've got the thing is chris the unknowable factor in all of this will be is if isis had said to us, alright , you can leave and we will genuinely guarantee you safe passage out. whether or not she would have left is all very well to go. saying was trapped there. the fact is we will never know well, but the reality of the situation is she didn't leave. i can understand why she maybe wasn't allowed she's now wasn't allowed to, but she's now only for forgiveness, only begging for forgiveness, rehabilitation. what isis has crushed avoid crushed down. we can't avoid that up, long awaited that. moving up, a long awaited review of the government's anti—terror programme will be released and it is said released tomorrow and it is said that the programme will be warned that their work has wrongly treated terrorism like a mental illness. so who's this

particular radical individual? a little bit like what we're talking about, but this is a lot more localised now. and instead they're basically saying, oh, we need to give this love need to give this person love anyway. prevent a government anyway. prevent is a government led stop led programme that to stop people into people being drawn into terrorism funding local terrorism by funding local authority partners report extremism to police . but extremism to police. but according to reports, the review also expected to confirm confirm taxpayers money was handed by prevent to groups promoting islamist extremism. said the report that is due out tomorrow is expected to say that some taxpayers money went to some groups that promoted extremism, including in one case allegedly , the taliban. not great, is it 7 , the taliban. not great, is it ? hey, let's talk about this is director of the oxford islamic information centre is dr. sheik ramsey and director of the think tank bruges group rebels both you.thank tank bruges group rebels both you. thank you very much dr. sheik, i will start with it looks as though some money may have gone to groups . well have gone to groups. well frankly quite like the taliban . frankly quite like the taliban. not a great look is it? yes, of

course . is not a great look. as course. is not a great look. as you said . but course. is not a great look. as you said. but at course. is not a great look. as you said . but at that course. is not a great look. as you said. but at that i course. is not a great look. as you said . but at that i read, of you said. but at that i read, of course i read the report. i know the musharraf was saying for number of years and, of course, at that time perhaps when they prevent give the 200000 to 2 gunmen may he gone in a write. i have no idea. but now even maybe man been groomed or so and so i cannot of a judgement on that either if there if they prevent it. £200,000, 200,000 to a person major goes on to do do do the extremism . this is somebody the extremism. this is somebody has to answer back now i mean is the province has to say why he gave it 200,000 fund to the person she was not reliable. this a very important thing has to . okay i'm just to paraphrase to. okay i'm just to paraphrase what a what a thing you seem be saying is that prevent to

basically say well this is why we gave this individual money as opposed to maybe that individual accounting for the fact that he may or may have supported the taliban rebels and the british group. i'll bring you in here. well we talked about earlier in the earlier segment, patrick, about grooming. you mean of beckham being groomed? well, it seems the organisation doing the grooming in the uk is been throwing money at extremist organisations of the terrorist attackers that have killed people, including a british of parliament and many other people throughout the country are in a sense graduates of prevent . they sense graduates of prevent. they were known to prevent part of prevent programs. and of course with these programs they're made to feel they are actually the victim as we was hearing from your earlier guest somehow it's our fault they've turned out the way they have is our islamophobia a made up term i may like to add now. islamophobia a made up term i may like to add now . so really may like to add now. so really in a sense, prevent are encouraging. they're not solving the problem. they're encouraging

it. and of course, also they're dividing as well. they're dividing as well. they're dividing the muslim community into inside groups and outside groups divide muslims and involve muslims and throwing money at certain groups and it's creating disharmony and discord within needn't be any and of course it's making people feel like they're victims and feel that they have a grievance against british society . and against british society. and that's where the problem is . dr. that's where the problem is. dr. sheikh, i'll throw it your way. do you think that prevent or counter—terror tourism measures are islamophobic . in one way? are islamophobic. in one way? yeah. yes, of course . i believe. yeah. yes, of course. i believe. of course, as as many things which they done prevent have been i've been 20 years working this prevent and a helping prevent or i give advice to the government or to the to the prevent how we can do it now, how we can help to totally reduce to zero that the extreme islam or the terrorism or so physical. but i believe of

course yes if you want to think that prevent has been for the muslims there is nobody else in there. i couldn't say and the christians they say it is therefore it is has to be islamophobic because it goes against all beliefs. what they are what i can say it is islam a phobic and we tried we tried again it was horrible before prevent was horrible awful against all muslim even even they were talking about nine years old four years or five years old four years or five years old. but what we need to do, we change it. we changed it. i of course member and many, many change to prevent to be a good things but now they want to change it which is wrong. i would have thought a lot is lost to get stuck in. see that robert? the implication there is that prevent a only focus is against radical islam and against radical islam and against all muslims and course

none of that was true because prevent actually is increasingly focusing what they call for victim doesn't necessarily mean anything as a term but we know what kind groups they are talking they're moving away in a sense from from the events core mission of dealing islamic extremism that kind of terrorism which is still remains the biggest threat and focusing groups and if prevent carries this way they'll be targeting anyone who seems to identify as cis gender is heterosexual and in a marriage that's the way prevent going it's going for increasingly politically correct and moving away from the focus what it should working on which is actually identifying those the community who then need in various communities that need to be subject to the force of law if they are engaged in. terrorism and the way to beat terrorism is through intelligence . it is through intelligence. it is through effective security measures. so effective security measures. so effective security, policing and course a swift response , locking

course a swift response, locking people up. and the reason we have less terrorism now is because finally the intelligence services targeted islamic groups that were involved in terrorism . but for many years they believed they couldn't actually penetrate such groups. and, of course, actually , it's quite course, actually, it's quite straightforward. course , straightforward. and of course, because of essential been because of isis's essential been defeated and people like shamima back and who engaged in terrorism are now living their lives in dreadful iran refugee camps, or, of course , have lost camps, or, of course, have lost their lives as a result of effective military campaign. when the destruction of isis, which along with other countries to shake, not just before i let you come back on that. feel to come back on on everything that robert has said that but there is just something i would like to drill with you and because one of the accusations that were about from prevent about to hear from this prevent program is that program tomorrow is that taxpayers given taxpayers money was given provide. so some of that money, aroun d £200,000, as you've around £200,000, as you've already said, was a already said, was to a particular a particular particular chap, a particular group who did the civil . it's group who did the civil. it's not about a allegedly do you.

i'm keen do you think that somebody supporting that's taliban implies that they are a terrorist threat because that's quite a crucial point . well, quite a crucial point. well, what we have to say of course you have them. what saying we got in in the in the islamic saying he says not every muslim is extremist and not every extremist is a terrorist . extremist is a terrorist. therefore, what about the taliban can't find that type of taliban? not now. he came back again because america left or so what if they are helping the taliban or whatever that six. so that's a real is it real goes to whatever you want to call it. however i believe i believe there are believed to prevent give that hundred thousand. i didn't know about it that was i didn't know about it that was i didn't know about it that was i didn't know given money he left out that centre . what i believe out that centre. what i believe the problem and give that 200,000 fund but it may being the right place right at that time and the man man because

i've got musharraf was saying maybe said something which i'm not very sure took the contract get taken out of the context or or taken that or he gone in a wrong direction . hi. the wrong direction. hi. the following transpires money an extremist just makes it look weak and makes it seem that the terrorists can get their way if they were to just complain and fight hard enough. really this is just absurd. we need to stop wasting time as money by giving it to islamic extremists . but it to islamic extremists. but that said, they don't want to be able to you. alright. alright alright. okay, look, both of you.thank alright. okay, look, both of you. thank very much. a spirited debate is fair to say, as is of course, the director of the oxford islamic information centre, dr. sheikh ramsey. and i read the thing to the british group rather. i think we can all agree we could have carried on with all but there we with that all day. but there we go. thank you very much. go. right. thank you very much. we independent we contacted the independent review dr. review of prevent and dr. hussain's organisation, you heard a lot there

heard him alluded to a lot there for and we haven't heard for comment and we haven't heard back, but yes. thank you very much, robert. and indeed, dr. now coming up, something we all yes, our local council, the yes, it's our local council, the good old local council. we're down frugal down for efficiency, frugal spending thought spending and really well thought out now they want out cycle. let's now they want to hijack your taxes again it only ever one way and kevin only ever goes one way and kevin mckenzie is here for a good old run. i'm know that run. so i'm not you know that some councils are about a billion quid in debt. some councils are about a billion quid in debt. £1 some councils are about a billion quid in debt . £1 billion billion quid in debt. £1 billion to go anywhere . this saturday at to go anywhere. this saturday at 8 pm. june ends with gb news investigates documentary as we tell the full story of the grooming gang scandal, my child goes being stolen , we will goes being stolen, we will expose the cover ups that have kept this national scandal under wraps for decades not one person is being held accountable. our investigation uncovers the true scale of this outrage . i want to scale of this outrage. i want to see senior officials held legally to account on gb news grooming gangs. britain's shame

the only way is up for bills . the only way is up for bills. certainly not my career. and now for council tax as well for areas, poorly managed councils and woking amongst others have asked the government to rise tax rates by 9.99% and 15% respective 15% way above the 2.99% cap laid out in the autumn statement. now council's to hold a referendum before increasing rates, but they have given special permission by the government should the be allowed to do this. who's being held accountable for the poor mismanagement, accountable for the poor mismanagement , the funds? mismanagement, the funds? where's money going as well? where's the money going as well? i to know. me to i want to know. joining me to discuss this is the former editor of sun, kelvin mackenzie . kelvin is going to talk to me about the shocking of waste that some have. thank you

some councils have. thank you very slough council . i very much. slough council. i mean, amounts of debt this mean, the amounts of debt this lot of it is absolutely unbelievable, isn't . £700 unbelievable, isn't. £700 million worth of debt . but but million worth of debt. but but they're all they're all unbelievable. patrick slough in berkshire thurrock absolute waste land financial mismatch and croydon between them. have literally billions of losses they have gone into the commercial property market right . they're not experts in that. what on earth are they doing? literally gambling with council taxpayers . and the issue there taxpayers. and the issue there is the councils of all gone bankrupt and coming down the road is woking. as well, they're going to go bust and i expect another one local to make all spells on. i think they're going to go bust. and what's going to happen they are the happen is that they are the local who had no control local people who had no control over what these idiots were doing, who had no financial nous

, didn't know anything. and why would you rely on your councillors or your council officers to make big bets in thurrock they went into the soul of the business. what are they doing in the solar business and in woking ? they must have built in woking? they must have built every flag for a thousand miles. and what's happened now? the market is collapsed . so these market is collapsed. so these are massive problems . my issue are massive problems. my issue is this. a third of your taxpayers council, taxpayers money goes in their pensions in they they the pensions and workers pensions . they they the pensions and workers pensions. hmm. why why should you? why should you as a resident , to fund their resident, to fund their inadequacies? well, it's absolutely bonkers. you can't just. can i just answer this? going back to this for some stars, croydon is . going back to this for some stars, croydon is . £1.6 billion stars, croydon is. £1.6 billion in debt. suppose it lay croydon council. that's according to reports . how on earth does . the

reports. how on earth does. the council £1.6 billion. if you add it up the council tax of slough croydon and thurrock have the gdp of a small country. croydon and thurrock have the gdp of a small country . well gdp of a small country. well you've still got woking to come now. woking is one of the richest. well, even in surrey, it's one of the richest areas they hope to. and it's rising to 2.5 billion in 2025. how do i know ? i spoke to the press know? i spoke to the press office today . came as a surprise office today. came as a surprise to me, since if you can find a council official in their local town hall as it used to be called, you could fire. i know. i know. in elmbridge , the i know. in elmbridge, the richest area and asia town hall, you could fire a can and not hit anybody . they are all, quote , anybody. they are all, quote, working from home and they're working from home and they're working ways of losing residents money. i don't think everybody understands what a massive issue this is. they would say, what wouldn't that kelvin? kelvin you know, they would say, oh, well,

we've had really tough time because of the pandemic and because of the pandemic and because of the cost of living crisis all of crisis and because of all of that stuff. but then i can't help but feel maybe it's finally counted by the likes of haringey borough council spending around £160,000 of taxpayers cash to . £160,000 of taxpayers cash to. remove a sign called black lane. and you look at it and you go, what on earth are we getting for our services over the road known as black boy lane? i bet there's still a pothole in the middle of it. well, i. i did notice two things happened. it was going. they changed it to la rose , they changed it to la rose, which was named after a guy who didn't even who was born in trinidad and didn't even to our country till is mid—thirties. i'm not saying the guy didn't do good work for his community, but it did seem bizarre and there was a big row even within hanngey was a big row even within haringey about what should happen. but if we go back to a central point, a% rise in council taxes . right. this council taxes. right. this appues council taxes. right. this applies to renters as well as as well as everybody has to pay ,

well as everybody has to pay, what, 15? we've got energy , what, 15? we've got energy, we've got food problems. and now of left field. you're living in thurrock , which is not a great thurrock, which is not a great area, but london with, you know, thurrock. it's a it's not a rich area . but suddenly everybody is area. but suddenly everybody is being asked for another 15. this won't be the only council that goes this way. yeah, the government copied it a lot and rightly so. the opposition copied it a lot. so you have top tier. a lot of people go well , tier. a lot of people go well, they're not fit for purpose. that's only what it sounds like a pretty cushy gig doesn't it. slow yourself in a bang local council somewhere in where you are managed to preside over seven 760 million quid in debt and then plan to impose a rise 9.99. the fonz is that the areas like this some would say to hell in a hung car and i bet if you ask the vast majority of the people in line with their local councillors, they wouldn't be able to tell you what they right . there is an element of that , . there is an element of that, but there is an element to that.

but i must say the politicians, i buggered up in this case in thurrock, i think it's tory, croydon, it's no control and slough. i think it's labour. so it doesn't matter what what political you are, you are a commercial and management financial idiot and i wouldn't mind, i like to see that and start taking of the pain rather than just handing it on to inner some people. there'll be lots of people out there who are really challenged right now living in these areas who going to get this bill completely unaccepted and unacceptable . yeah. yeah and unacceptable. yeah. yeah i haven got to but you end up with people sorry but you end up with people sorry but you end up with people now are trying to find money from. okay, they're trying to look down back of the sofa and just saved as a couple equipped because the energy bills are going the water are bills are going up the water are going left, right centre. going up left, right and centre. of course, partly because of course, it's partly because we keep funnelling money into various other of various different other of the world, need to go world, but we don't need to go

into that. i help but into that. but i can't help but feel though people might feel as though people might start around going. start turning around and going. kelvin to pay my kelvin i'm not going to pay my council anymore. i am saying council tax anymore. i am saying absolutely no benefit for this anywhere. you know i normally anywhere. do you know i normally i wouldn't normally this that kind strike that you're about kind of strike that you're about financial strife. i think in this case that there has be a penalty paid by the people sitting and making these decisions and there will be chief officers, by the way, as well as councillors , most of the well as councillors, most of the most some of the councillors have got some brains, but a lot of them are in it because well i'm not in fact, i'm not they're not in it. but i'm as to why they come into it, because they have made huge errors. and by the time we found out they've made an error , the business has made an error, the business has come back. exactly off the head of some kind of hospital trust is something the coin never had. they go in and out of the water board. thank you very board. kelvin, thank you very much. that much. kelvin mckenzie, that former sun. it's former editor of the sun. it's always box office. but kelvin. coming up rishi sunak has created department energy created new department of energy secure net zero. sound

secure lt. and net zero. sound like contradiction ? well, it like a contradiction? well, it is. isn't we'll be having yet another box office debate and you won't want to miss it. see you won't want to miss it. see you .

in three. today, amidst the prime minister's rather underwhelming reshuffle , a more peculiar story reshuffle, a more peculiar story emerged . sunak has created the emerged. sunak has created the new for energy security and net zero streams of our obsession with net zero has led to his offloading the responsibility of burning fossil fuels to other. in other words, it has destroy void our energy security despite there being 822 trillion cubic feet of gas in the north of england alone. we import % of our england alone. we import% of our natural gas to heat our homes. as a result . we hold ourselves as a result. we hold ourselves hostage to the validity . easy hostage to the validity. easy for me to say of a geopolitical

complexities of eastern slavic views. and if anyone can say that without tripping over it, i will give a tattoo like the one that we're seeing now in. so it's a ministry of contradict . it's a ministry of contradict. what could possibly go wrong ? what could possibly go wrong? i'm joined now by the leader of the climate party at gamow and journalist and broadcaster mike parry. mike i will start with you. how on earth can we have a ministry for economic or energy secure, a c, i should say. and on top of that as well, a net zero ministry. it doesn't seem to make much sense . it's very to make much sense. it's very contradictory , isn't it? contradictory, isn't it? particularly when you think about it . energy security means about it. energy security means that we've got to make sure all the we don't blackout in the united kingdom at of stress when it gets very cold. okay. so that's energy security . but i that's energy security. but i hope everybody accepts that if we go on this mad plan towards net zero by whatever year it is

now 2030, 2035. that means that will destroy all security. security means there should be power and energy in our country all the time. for instance . and all the time. for instance. and i'm sure you've picked up on this, patrick, only this morning , the national grid have asked two power stations in this country to start warming up because . we might need them to because. we might need them to generate more . yes. why? because generate more. yes. why? because the wind is not going to blow for the next seven days in this country. it just shows you that we have to rely on all the original sources of power in this country. some of those are fossil fuels. some of those are gas . lots of it originates in gas. lots of it originates in the north sea. but we seem to think that we can do all this within six or seven or eight years without those fuels, because the wind will easily

shine. it won't . i'll come. i'll shine. it won't. i'll come. i'll come back to you and i'll bring you now. who is the leader of climate party? people are struggling to eat. people are struggling to eat. people are struggling to eat. people are struggling to heat. and yet we have to keep behaving in a way that offend 20 year that doesn't offend a 20 year old girl who's obsessed old swedish girl who's obsessed about climate. you about the climate. can you explain to well apart from explain to me? well apart from the swedish guy, what she can't explain you. but the other part i can explain to is what we i can explain to you is what we need do is. need to get need to do is. we need to get into people's houses and, start subsidising, in the subsidising, putting in the insulation, putting in renewables and getting of renewables and getting all of our start up, up our housing start up, up to scratch. i mean, energy starts at we want to get rid of at home. we want to get rid of this cost of living crisis. we need to invest and we write to government twice, both the previous administration and the liz truss and current one saying that less than that we're spending less than half spent on covid. we half what was spent on covid. we could insulate and stick renewables on 20 million uk homes. every single home. that needs to be done. i do. i do understand that. and i'm going to i'm going to sit with you. but i want to i just want to

drill down on that because you've said we're spending less half of what we spend on covid and all of this and we could do all of this stuff. well skin because did stuff. well skin because we did spend money on covid and spend that money on covid and half spent on covid half of what we spent on covid still lot of and how do still a lot of money. and how do we that? bankrupting we afford that? bankrupting ourselves even more? absolutely. i'm not of i'm saying it's not a lot of money. that, are at money. having said that, are at the moment spending money ourselves, for energy ourselves, paying for our energy at and in at the moment, home and in businesses . and money is businesses. and that money is effectively thrown out the window. if we are putting that into and sorting out into insulation and sorting out so that we didn't waste as much of the energy and it now it would be capital it would be would be capital and it would be paid private enterprise, not paid by private enterprise, not by government . my parish shaking by government. my parish shaking your head furiously, taking away . how long is this plan going to take? how long is this plan of yours going to it's at the yours going to take? it's at the moment . it's right now. this day moment. it's right now. this day that we've got to look after heating homes. okay. the mac to net zero. we all know is responsible for hiking up all our energy bills because . the our energy bills because. the cost of getting to net zero

means we're all paying for a policy which doesn't work and b is a fatuous . absolutely not is a fatuous. absolutely not nonsensical design to look good . but what really looks good is it? how it can heat their homes. can heat their homes and cook food on cheap , reliable energy food on cheap, reliable energy and reliable energy from the nonh and reliable energy from the north sea and comes from coal fired power . north sea and comes from coal fired power. go. i think one of the things that the monks alluding to is a little bit to what loss actually a virtue signalling that goes on from the kind of who get private kind of people who get private jets climate conferences, for jets to climate conferences, for example. if vividly. example. and if they so vividly. why don't open it up to a why don't you open it up to a referendum. shall we have a referendum. shall we have a referendum net zero? let the referendum on net zero? let the people ad. yeah. people vote on an ad. yeah. i don't see why shouldn't. what they be voting on is biggest business opportunity on the planet. goodness sake, planet. but for goodness sake, why want us why do people like might want us to behind? don't understand to be behind? i don't understand germans, but my solar panels, i

don't want to pay everybody else. i don't want to be part of the energy system in europe, which money. let's which is us. more money. let's get let's get to the get on with it. let's get to the front. let's lead decarbonisation revolution. make britain. again. why do britain. great again. why do people might everybody to people might want everybody to be ? why can't you see the be poorer? why can't you see the opportunity like everybody else is for ? the train has left is going for? the train has left the station. you can't stop it. let's to front and drive let's get to the front and drive . right, you want people to . all right, you want people to be poorer? how come we spend billions of pounds in fracked gas from america on boats that spew out carbon into the atmosphere when we could bring it up from the earth beneath us in the united kingdom ? why do in the united kingdom? why do you want us to import energy from all around the world when we have it here going out on a great night. let's do the wind. let's do the satellite. let's do the battery storage . do the the battery storage. do the hydro. let's do that . everything hydro. let's do that. everything else we can generate energy. and let's do it here . and if we've

let's do it here. and if we've doneit let's do it here. and if we've done it 20 years ago, we wouldn't have this problem. and these we're now not these houses that we're now not fit for purpose should be insulated. renewables on the way, we've got to get this out. sorry. just just to give you the final. i'll you the final final. i'll just you the final word this, too. we got the word on this, too. we got the time. we haven't got a time machine. can't back in machine. we can't go back in time. all right. have time. yeah. all right. have woulda, but not. woulda, coulda. but we're not. we're mike is we're here now. what mike is saying we need results. we saying is we need results. so we know realistically, should we just how come just before net zero? how come it any mistakes. now it wasn't any mistakes. now we'll still have same we'll still have the same problem in ten years problem in another ten years time. i'm saying let's get time. and i'm saying let's get to let's make money, to the front let's make money, let's control let's let's getting control it let's see great right see britain great again right we're well way down we're at the back. well way down the back way down at the back costs. i'll get both of you very much. enough now. great much. but enough now. great great okay. not a as the great stuff. okay. not a as the leader of the climate policy. i'd go let the broadcaster, mike parry, i just love those days. don't very much. now it's don't keep very much. now it's time for pummel the time for a quick pummel the patrick. right. let's see patrick. that's right. let's see what asking me what you guys been asking me today. says , oh, hamsters, today. jane says, oh, hamsters, good pasta. okay jane, have good pasta. okay jane, i have recently hamster . recently bought the hamster. yes. lately sheila is now

yes. up. so lately sheila is now three old. she's a syrian three months old. she's a syrian hamster as so i'm doing my hamster as well. so i'm doing my . michael says , should churches . michael says, should churches stop referring god as, hey, no absolutely. no, no . i think that absolutely. no, no. i think that the general erosion of religious beliefs in order to over to a woke culture is absolutely right. look, thank you very much, dan watson is up next. dan, what you got for us? patrick christys. good evening. well a day it has been for the conservative party lee anderson party chair. and of course patrick lee is . a big figure on patrick lee is. a big figure on this show has been up until now. so all going to plan. he is going to be beaming in at the top of the show to reveal exactly why he has taken on this job as deputy chair. yes, i love it i love it. fantastic stuff you've to love a belly, alyssa. doug, thank you very much. it's going to be box office done with tonight will be with you very, very shortly. thank you very much. my yes, absolutely. they wrote you for wrote item themselves on you for joining me. great stuff. love to

be back, guys. 3 pm. tomorrow. take it easy, people . good take it easy, people. good afternoon , alex deakin. here afternoon, alex deakin. here with the latest weather update , with the latest weather update, the met office, another frosty one tonight across the south. some dense patches fog likely some dense patches of fog likely as well, but more cloud further north, will keep north, which will keep the temperatures also going temperatures up. it's also going to increasingly to be turning increasingly windy. look at the ice bars. out to the northwest as this weather fronts those winds fronts approaches, those winds really picking up in the really be picking up in the northwest. the ice bars are northwest. but the ice bars are well, light winds allowing the frost to come back pretty sharp this evening. temperatures tumbling and the fog will also start to thicken up before midnight across parts of northern england, but especially the midlands, southern and eastern parts of wales , east eastern parts of wales, east anglia and southern england . anglia and southern england. dense patches of fog likely by wednesday morning, cold as well, minus two modestly . and cities minus two modestly. and cities rural much lower than that, but not as cold. further north, they'll the winds picking up and there'll be more cloud, but the winds will strengthen further dunng winds will strengthen further during wednesday getting very windy in the far northwest. we

have met yellow warning have a met office yellow warning in place covering the western isles parts the northwest of isles and parts the northwest of the mainland scotland. 75 mile and eye gusts are possible as this rain band moves in through afternoon. that could cause some travel. it could be some disruption from the fog in the south as well. but that should clear by late morning and then some of the sparkling day of sunshine with. temperatures close average, up to close to average, getting up to 7 9 celsius, perhaps a little 7 to 9 celsius, perhaps a little higher eastern scotland. but higher in eastern scotland. but it windy here. then it will be windy here. and then this bouncing southwards , this rain bouncing southwards, bringing snow bringing a bit of snow in its wake scotland time wake. northern scotland for time wednesday evening as it pushes south into thursday. it's fizzling . so again, most of fizzling. so again, most of england was seeing much rain at all, but it will cloudier. so it will as cold or as foggy on thursday morning across the south, in fact, generally driving a day for many on thursday. but there will be showers coming into western scotland. still very windy across the far north, just not as windy as wednesday. brighter skies coming in across the south, south by the afternoon

and temperatures again in mid to high single figures .

no spin, no no censorship. i'm dan wootton tonight as scheming sturgeon ties herself in knots over the gender of double rapist adam grey in leading her arch rival alex salmond to lash out at her calamitous trans policy the independence over 50% in four weeks and some self nonsense . i'm going to reveal nonsense. i'm going to reveal why the disastrous first minister's desire to be the world queen of woke, even if it puts the safety of scottish women at risk will now be her undoing. that's in my digest next. then i'll get the thoughts of my superstar panel. joining me tonight, amanda patel, kelvin robinson and rebecca reid