aspects that helped us to be strong to and push back the enemy. yet the war has not ended . and then there is another reason why . why i'm here with reason why. why i'm here with this visit. and that's the heavy artillery. and that's why i'm here. you know, i'm here again . here. you know, i'm here again. we have to do what we can do. we have to come and we talk. we have to come and we talk. we have to come and we talk. we have to talk openly. we have to be frank . i'm as the president be frank. i'm as the president of the country, which is

fighting now for the independence . and that's why independence. and that's why i have to do everything possible to make sure that our partner is give everything they can to strengthen us on the battlefield. so those are just two reasons, you know, gratitude and weapons all the. yes, london is a very beautiful city. it's a shame i don't have time for this .thank shame i don't have time for this . thank you. read i'm and lastly, harry the sun . thank you lastly, harry the sun. thank you , prime minister. you say that britain led the world rightly on training ukrainian troops , on training ukrainian troops, on providing arms, and you yourself on tanks. but that does seem to be a reticent to break ranks with the western allies on jets . are you personally willing , as . are you personally willing, as prime minister, if you can , to prime minister, if you can, to send ukraine some of our typhoon fleet .7 and mr. president, on fleet? and mr. president, on behalf of millions of sun readers , i'd just like to say readers, i'd just like to say welcome and it's lovely ukraine. bofis welcome and it's lovely ukraine.

boris johnson says there's no conceivable reason for britain and the west not to send you jets. the reasons that jets. what are the reasons that they're telling you privately? and are those reading the reasons credible ? thank you very reasons credible? thank you very much. thanks . so reasons credible? thank you very much. thanks. so i think much. both thanks. so i think you're totally wrong to say that there's been any reticence . there's been any reticence. actually, we were the first g7 country to provide main battle tanks. we were also the first country to provide serious arms to ukraine at the beginning. and we have genuinely led other countries , and that's something countries, and that's something we should all be very proud of. and when it comes to the quantum of our support, second only to the united states last year and again commitment to provide again a commitment to provide the or more . this year and the same or more. this year and then there's also, as well as then there's also, as well as the things that we provide there's also the and i think the president would attest to this the very close cooperation and engagement between our teams as to how that ukraine can be successful with all the support and training, as you're seeing here, but also the help that we provide across the board . so

provide across the board. so i don't think there's been any reticence at all, actually, and we've probably been the most forward leaning country and trying about trying to bring about a ukrainian victory in this conflict . and that's why as conflict. and that's why as prime minister, we decided to change our strategy , to change our strategy, to accelerate and intensify the amount of support that we give ukraine so that we can bring about more decisive victory in a pseudo period of time . and pseudo period of time. and that's why we made the decision to provide tanks. and with grant with regard to aircraft that we've already said nothing is off the table. and the first step on that has to to be have the people who can fly what are very sophisticated , hit pieces very sophisticated, hit pieces of kit . i mean, from the start, of kit. i mean, from the start, if you take someone who's brand new for a fighter jet is, as florian would also say, it takes three years and obviously that's not what we're working with because ukraine existed because ukraine has existed in fighter pilots, do need fighter pilots, but we do need to sure that they to make sure that they can operate the aircraft they operate the aircraft that they could potentially be using, but also there's a supply chain around such sophisticated aircraft. those are the conversation that the president

and having and making sure and i having and making sure that understand the that we understand all the supply chain needs that go along alongside the aircraft like that, they can that, making sure that they can be used and used safely and kept safely. so we're having that conversation. and it's also a conversation. and it's also a conversation are having conversation we are having with our allies, because particularly some that we some of the aircraft that we have done through joint have are done through joint treaty multiple other treaty with multiple other countries. i think we seen countries. and i think we seen that with previous bits of kit , that with previous bits of kit, have others about to give the aircraft . that something that aircraft. that is something that we we are also involved in we are we are also involved in because have, as i said, because we have, as i said, there are other allies involved in the provision of those bits of . and of equipment. and as the president on his way president said, he's on his way to after this, to pick up to europe after this, to pick up this conversation with our partners over there . partners and allies over there. but where we can throughout this conflict, we have been nothing but out in front and proud, proud . so and i know the proud. so and i know the difference that it's making and i know the president is grateful for it. and that's what we will continue to do. we are just and truly, truly , i am grateful and truly, truly, i am grateful and again, even today, once again, i

heard from mr. prime minister the desire to provide fighter jets and officially he declared it we they can begin training our pilots and again, not also when it comes to typhoons , not when it comes to typhoons, not everything depends just on the decision of great britain to and i will be working in that direction because again , this is direction because again, this is how we are changing and how we have been able to change many things . we are intensifying our things. we are intensifying our diplomacy . and i do believe just diplomacy. and i do believe just within a day we will be able to meet with a dozen of eu leaders and then we'll go back home because it's obviously very important we have obviously all of this conversation and say have to be taking place quickly

and again when it comes to typhoon, you know, i did even i do even know that it takes three years to train a pilot like that , you know, come on. we will be sending you pilots who've already trained for two and a half years. you know , and half years. you know, and accelerate the last bit. yeah thank you. and i think on that point, that is a conversation we're having on long—range missiles where again , the missiles where again, the conversation that we're having is one that is, i think, out in front of other allies about the landscape . and rishi sunak, landscape. and rishi sunak, you've just been watching and listening to that, doing a press conference in dorset's live, i have to say that is the latest instalment in what has been quite a busy and surprising day today, which started with zelenskyy doing an address to employees in westminster , employees in westminster, presenting the speaker , lindsay presenting the speaker, lindsay hoyle, with a helmet as well. it was in that had an insignia which said, give us wings. we

have the freedom , give us the have the freedom, give us the wings to protect it. zelenskyy then went on to meet the king, which he described as a great honoun which he described as a great honour. and last but not least, was the press conference. you've just been watching and listening to the prime minister that was saying nothing is off the table and fighter jets are very much part of the conversation . part of the conversation. well, hello there . it's just on well, hello there. it's just on 7:00 on michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co as i was just saying, you've just been watching that live press conference in dorset between volodymyr zelenskyy and our prime minister, rishi sunak, alongside me here in the studio until 7:00 this evening is aaron bustani , the founder of novara bustani, the founder of novara media, and mark lehane, who's the head of education at the centre for policy studies and a former adviser , then azeem former adviser, then azeem zahawi . oh, interesting times ,

zahawi. oh, interesting times, gents. before we get into the main thrust of the programme, any thoughts on what we've seen and heard today ? as i was just and heard today? as i was just explaining, it's been an interesting, surprising visit from zelenskyy addressing mp s westminster over to buckingham palace to see the king and then endorse that as we've just been seeing and hearing. then any thoughts? we're not to the thoughts? yeah, we're not to the platitudes and cliches we can hear all day. but two things that really struck me just now. first, really sunak looked a very impressive prime minister. i thought it looked very competent , clear, charismatic i thought it looked very competent, clear, charismatic . competent, clear, charismatic. he's not been in the role very long. obviously a very challenging thing to step up to. and secondly, whatever and then secondly, whatever happens to britain being isolated after brexit, you know, we were meant to be out on a limb. nobody wants to talk to us. and yet this is the second foreign visit of vladimir volodymyr zelenskyy of the united states. i think that says something the uk and the something about the uk and the world stage. well, yes, but a brexit that is not brexit positivity that is not the i like it. i've the programme i like it. i've got to say unexpected. oh, oh. i

always why i don't always a little. why i don't expect it sometimes on the left, but i'll take i appreciate but i'll take it. i appreciate it, i thought anything it, mark. i thought anything like brings home like that, it just brings home how are to not going how lucky we are to not be going through the ukraine are through what the ukraine are going through and how brave they have year. mean, have been the past year. i mean, i even imagine what it i can't even imagine what it must be like to experience the kind of atrocities they're kind of atrocities that they're going i think going through. and it i think probably a lot of i probably like a lot of people, i think we can do to help think the more we can do to help them defend themselves, including fighter well, including fighter jets. well, i'm not a military expert. all i know if they're saying that know is if they're saying that they stuff, then we need they need stuff, then we need to seriously think you seriously think about. do you think fighter think we should send fighter jets want i mean, you jets since they want i mean, you know, soon i was touching on the obviously training issues obviously the training issues even looking even for tanks you're looking at, six months. the only at, i think six months. the only caveat, would be that caveat, i think, would be that britain leave itself short britain can't leave itself short with regards self—defence. with regards to self—defence. well though. well you know the drill, though. it's about the thoughts it's not just about the thoughts and opinions of those three sitting this warm sitting in this nice warm studio. it's about you at home as so firstly, what as well. so firstly, what have you you've on you made to what you've seen on head today anyway? so yeah, all of any of your thoughts, but of it. any of your thoughts, but also get into the also i want to get into the following topics. croydon

council, this , just raise council, get this, just raise their council tax. all will be raised in their council tax by 15. yes, you heard that right. one 5% because basically this is a council that's made a mess of their finances to put it mildly. they've had to do bankruptcy notices three times. so i'm wondering , why should it be the wondering, why should it be the local residents on the hook to bail out the mess that was not of their making ? and if you're of their making? and if you're sitting at home thinking, well, i don't live in croydon, so i don't care, but not so fast because this i fear is something that we're going to see not just in croydon. we've already seen it in other councils . could it it in other councils. could it be your council next? should you have bail them out? have to bail them out? your thoughts that ? private thoughts on that? private schools, comes around again. schools, it comes around again. should there be charities ? should there be charities? should there be charities? should they have business exemptions? should they have to charge vat on their fees ? and charge vat on their fees? and get this, i mean, sometimes i believe what i have to say , but believe what i have to say, but apparently mp is now if the

don't get reverted it in at the next election so they lose their jobs they should be given given medals of services and more money really . i medals of services and more money really. i mean i think not for you might disagree and prevent what do you make to this system this is the anti radicalisation system . it's come radicalisation system. it's come under criticism shall i say, to put it mildly, a report it's out today. it basically says that not enough attention is being put on to things like islamist terror. often these things have been described as mental health issues rather than being given the focus and the attention it should be. do you think that prevents is fit for purpose ? prevents is fit for purpose? your thoughts on all of the above and anything else? quite frankly, you want to talk to me about tonight? i'm all ears. gp views at gbnews.uk is my email. you can tweet me at jb news. let's get stuck in then, shall we? with the first things on the council that i mentioned, croydon , this is in london. if croydon, this is in london. if you're not familiar with where it is and as i was just saying,

they have received permission to they have received permission to the council tax up by five 18. and i mean, goodness gracious, made this to put it mildly, because the council have got itself into an absolute mess financially. some people blame the former labour administration or the people say it's the tories fault for cutting the amount of budget they get, whoever's fault it is, and i'm sure we'll get into that. should the residents have to pick up the residents have to pick up the flak for it? so pick up wherever you want, the fault what's caused it or the outcome? your thoughts are well, i'm the left wing voice on this show this evening and you're not going to hear any complaints from with regards to from me with regards to responsibility, squarely responsibility, dealing squarely with who with labour in terms of who should it. i mean, should pay for it. i mean, i don't really see they'll turn active because, you know, we had i think between 2017 and 2020, £535 million was budgeted for with no debt management plan . with no debt management plan. and so it's talking big sums of money and it's difficult to see

how else you would do it unless, of course, central government says, you know what, we're going to eliminate all of debt. to eliminate all of this debt. they're on hook for a lot of they're on the hook for a lot of money, and i think they've got liabilities of more than a billion 1.6 of billion out, 1.6 billion of debt. almost three. and debt. yeah, almost three. and then million of which has then 20 million of which has made equity on poor made it negative equity on poor investments . the interest rates investments. the interest rates on some of those payments obviously will be sky high. yeah. what do you think, mark? i really feel for the council taxpayers of croydon because they're the people that are going to suffer either way, because even if they to because even if they were to get some money from central government to them out, government to bail them out, they're to see this they're going to see this services to try and services cut back to try and make croydon lot make ends meet. croydon lot you've intimated you've already intimated they are be the last are not going to be the last council find themselves in this situation. we've had a couple fall in times like fall over in recent times like croydon. they've it croydon. it's because they've it well they've well partly because they've invested just invested in property deals just before before before covid just before the crash in terms of retail spaces and shopping centres and on. and shopping centres and so on. they've of those they've seen the value of those things crash. they've seen the vacancies their shopping vacancies in their shopping centres the centres fall and it's the council payer probably council tax payer probably

that's pick up that's going to have to pick up the and i think the onus the bill. and i think the onus is on all of us, their local elections lot of the elections and a lot of the country this may we've to country this may we've got to look really close to how we vote locally. sometimes think it's locally. sometimes we think it's just that just the general election that makes difference. but makes a difference. but local councils are responsible councils still are responsible for a lot. council tax is a big bill wherever you live the bill wherever you live in the country. so it's important that when go to vote this may, when people go to vote this may, they closely at what when people go to vote this may, they councils closely at what when people go to vote this may, they councils have�*sely at what when people go to vote this may, they councils have doneat what their councils have done and what the councillors are proposing and proposing to do. yeah, and i worry the way that this is worry by the way that this is just going to be the tip the just going to be the tip of the iceberg because apparently councils iceberg because apparently couruse somerset slough. can use somerset slough. apparently have got huge apparently they have got huge debts perhaps to debts and perhaps struggling to balance finances. so balance their finances. so council for example, council in essex, for example, have issued a section one have also issued a section one month four notice they called, which essentially means that they're struggling , that they're they're struggling, that they're perhaps bankrupt. one of perhaps going bankrupt. one of the things that troubles me , the things that troubles me, erin, is where is the accountability in all of this? because i was doing a little bit of digging to see what was going on and who was gone where. and there was a report out that was

done by an independent local government person. let me just remind myself his name. yes, richard pence pen report. richard pence or the pen report. many criticisms that it was basically hidden from public view, that it was all covered up . some suggesting that . some people suggesting that they been criminal they should have been a criminal investigation to some of the goings on at the ceo, the outgoing ceo of this council got a huge payoff for . £37,000 a huge payoff for. £37,000 payoff, which in my mind you're congratulating failure, you're high fiving someone on the way out of creating an absolute mess . yeah, responsibility , . yeah, responsibility, obviously, like i said, lies with the local politicians, but also the ceo. i mean, the ceo is meant to be the money person. they're meant to be pushing back on the politicking, quite rightly, politicians rightly, because politicians represent their represent the interests of their constituents, saying this is impossible. that hasn't happened. in the happened. there in the particular instance happened. there in the particularinstance croydon, happened. there in the pals01larinstance croydon, happened. there in the palso want1stance croydon, happened. there in the palso want1st.say�* croydon, happened. there in the palso want1st.say tonyroydon, happened. there in the palso want1st.say tony newman, i also want to say tony newman, who the leader of the who is the leader of the council, the labour leader of the council. so he basically created whole fund with £100 created a whole fund with £100 million, potentially by various property assets and this was not

put through the usual process of scrutiny . so it just railroaded scrutiny. so it just railroaded through by the local labour party. now he, tony newman is very close to senior people in the labour party. steve reed and steve reed of course very close allied to keir starmer. so there's a double broader context here. the first is i agree it's going happen in many other councils. secondly some of the people involved are very close to other politicians who say they're to reinvigorate they're going to reinvigorate national politics. and i haven't seen single tweet from steve seen a single tweet from steve reed, who's a croydon mp in the last week saying, you know what, i'm really sorry that your councillors expats got 15. he's talking about apps and everything else. and finally people like him are very happy to criticise politicians i disagree wouldn't it be disagree with. wouldn't it be nice he apologised once? it nice if he apologised once? it certainly would. you in certainly would. are you in croydon of out there or croydon any of you out there or any any of those councils that are currently struggling? they're supposed to be this situation, mark, where if you want to raise your council tax by more than 5% as opposed to i'd like a referendum on this,

but these so—called special circumstances or thereabouts , circumstances or thereabouts, they're bypassing that and they just having this in enforced on them. do you think that's right? well, there's always going to be a safety valve in there somewhere. i mean, special circumstances. but you've hit the on the head. local the nail on the head. local council tax haven't got council tax payers haven't got a say to how this money is say as to how this money is being in the first place, being spent in the first place, nor is got say about how nor is they got a say about how the is going to be tidied the mess is going to be tidied up.and the mess is going to be tidied up. and it says to me two things. it's a reminder things. one, it's a reminder a council a unfair council tax is a really unfair tax. it's a really poor way of raising money for councils, and it doesn't raise enough it doesn't even raise enough money councils. often money for councils. so often they're to raise they're left trying to raise more doing property more money by doing property investments did to investments like croydon did to try the gap. try and plug the gap. but secondly shows councillors secondly also shows councillors should to their knitting. should stick to their knitting. they're property they're not meant to be property investors. should focus on investors. they should focus on doing the they're meant doing the things they're meant to doing them really to do and doing them really well. not so well. that might not be so glamorous, goodness me, it's glamorous, but goodness me, it's important in people's own lives. yeah, quite staggering yeah, it's quite staggering actually. at actually. when you do look at some of sums that you can some of these sums that you can invest spectacularly poorly invest so spectacularly poorly invest so spectacularly poorly in we're in property. i mean, we're talking, we've just been talking, as we've just been saying, a £1.6 billion debt, if

you like, and mean not it's you like, and i mean not it's not all on commercial investments. suggesting investments. i'm not suggesting that do you have that it is. but how do you have a record getting it so a track record of getting it so bad and these payoffs ? i mean, bad and these payoffs? i mean, what i was just talking about, joanna greenie , the one i'm joanna greenie, the one i'm talking about, joanna greenie, the one i'm talking about , £613,000 pay off talking about, £613,000 pay off , which was the 437,000 i mentioned the loss of office compensation and something called a pension strain of £51,000. and this was her salary, apparently . £51,000. and this was her salary, apparently . £25,000 for salary, apparently. £25,000 for this. and it goes on and it goes on.andi this. and it goes on and it goes on. and i think how can that be possible that all of these kind of pay offs and i keep coming back to it because it blows my brain that you couldn't do a bad job and financially be rewarded. can't get my head around who accepts that . and i think this accepts that. and i think this is particularly a problem in london because particularly in relation to the kind of the construction and property stuff you saw also in suffolk with the redevelopment of elephant

castle, you've seen in newham with i think sort of in wales, you had to step down. at one point. there was a there was an issue was the mayor for issue when he was the mayor for newham. so you've got these very powerful local labour powerful labour local labour politicians not accountable to one local one big majorities in local government. said, government. and like you said, they're station they're above their station in terms think they terms of what they think they can they're not failing can do. they're not just failing to value money for local to get value for money for local residents, but also, as you've said, they're they're really failing an industry in the basics their can we some basics of their job. can we some final thoughts, though, mark, if you will, because said you will, because you said council the council tax isn't perhaps the most effective way of funding these councils. what these councils. well, what is then is often been said then what is often been said that re trying to sort out local government funding is the quickest way to bring down a government. i mean, ijust want to remember mrs. thatcher trying to remember mrs. thatcher trying to bring in the poll tax. that was an attempt to reform it the ball her down huge process as well. really difficult well. it's really difficult to do that council tax do but we know that council tax is almost as it can is just almost as bad as it can get in terms of local taxation. fundamentally, got to fundamentally, like we've got to grapple with at some point. but you strong, stable

you need a strong, stable government that. that's government to do that. that's bold. be we bold. and let's be fair, we haven't a time had haven't for a long time had a government's been able even government's been able to even think about what indeed. i'm going to a quick break. going to take a quick break. when i do well, want to come when i do well, i want to come back with of thoughts. back with some of your thoughts. lots have been writing in lots of you have been writing in about your response the about your response to the ukraine conferences and ukraine press conferences and conversations been conversations that been happening the happening today and also to the situation and around the situation in and around the council. a reminder, get in council. as a reminder, get in touch. at gbnews.uk is touch. gb views at gbnews.uk is my when come my email address when i come back lots on the agenda back as well. lots on the agenda i talk to you about. i want to talk to you about. prevent extremism. are prevent islamist extremism. are we taking that threat seriously enough?i we taking that threat seriously enough? i want to cover private schools as well. should they be charities? should there be vat on them ? and get this, i mean, on them? and get this, i mean, i'm trying to say it with a straight face, but i struggle. should an mp who doesn't get elected. so they've served their time but don't get re—elected. should they get a medal and some extra their way out ? extra money on their way out? you tell me. i'll see you into .

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topic . councils, who should bail topic. councils, who should bail them out when basically they can't do their job properly and manage their basic finances. should it be you taxpayer and if not you, then who ? andrew said not you, then who? andrew said it's the council as wages it's time the council as wages were reduced. we need payment by performance across the board and the residents need to be able to fire the failed councillors. how well do you think you're on an episode of the apprentice there? how you you're going how do you reckon you're going to that? andrew give me your to do that? andrew give me your thoughts. i don't mind your sentiment, by the just sentiment, by the way. i just don't know you're going to don't know how you're going to see through . let know. see that through. let me know. john these john says it's time these corporations held accountable. we keep making residents we can't keep making residents pay we can't keep making residents pay for the failure of the corporation. and to print corporation. and time to print more money out of nothing . got more money out of nothing. got to say . zero sympathy for the to say. zero sympathy for the councils . can't even pretend councils. can't even pretend that the race . right. let's talk that the race. right. let's talk to you about schools , shall we? to you about schools, shall we? labour basically want to stop private schools being charitable with their status. so, for

example , that means that they example, that means that they don't have to charge me a t on their fees and it means that they can get breaks on business rates. mark, you are a guru when it comes to education. i think there's not a lot that you don't know about it. by all accounts, you've set up a school, you've been head teacher , you're one been a head teacher, you're one of rishi sunak's favourite people you're a maths people because you're a maths teacher . he loves that. teacher as well. he loves that. what do you make to this whole private conversation? the private school conversation? the other says i'm a third other thing says i'm a third generation teacher. my nan taught schools. my dad taught in state schools. my dad taught in state schools. my dad taught state taught his whole life in state schools. years in the schools. i spent 15 years in the state schools. personally, for me, action is where it's me, the action is where it's state schools. but i think like we've got one for we've got this one wrong for a whole number of reasons. first of won't anywhere of all, it won't rise anywhere near money as i say. it near as much money as i say. it will. thi s £1.7 billion figure will. this £1.7 billion figure has been floating around for years. assumes everyone years. it assumes that everyone that's private school right that's in a private school right now in private now would stay in a private school that's half school that's about half a million kids that will ever pass. would pay 20% extra pass. they would pay 20% extra on it seems that none of on top. so it seems that none of them then move into the them would then move into the state they ignores state system. they also ignores the as soon as private the fact that as soon as private schools charging vat

schools started charging vat on their fees, they'd be able to claim back vat in all the things they won't actually they buy. so it won't actually leave much money. leave them with that much money. but that, i think but aside from that, i think it's the wrong reason for to have the wrong thing for two more reasons. one, think we more reasons. one, i think we need focus on making state need to focus on making state schools . that's why schools better. that's why people a free people like me set up a free school. that's why this government, years or government, the last 12 years or so, encouraging people so, has been encouraging people to schools better. to make state schools better. that's people at that's how you get people at private schools, medical, state schools so that people schools so good that people don't need go don't feel the need to go private. secondly, don't private. and secondly, i don't think up as a think it sets labour up as a party aspiration. lots of party of aspiration. lots of people send their kids people want to send their kids private. it's not what i want it to do. it's not what lots people want do, lots of people want to do, but lots of people do to do that. and i think do want to do that. and i think labour potentially put themselves on the wrong side of quite the public who quite a number of the public who can't to send kids can't afford to send their kids private. if they could afford to, would. and it's to, maybe they would. and it's kind message that kind of sending the message that you've people you shouldn't you've people like you shouldn't vote labour i'm not sure vote for labour and i'm not sure that's place keir that's a good place for keir starmer to be run. you are of the left. labour basically the left. are labour basically anti deluded when anti aspiration and deluded when it maths? well,

it comes to basic maths? well, the thing interesting the numbers thing is interesting . presumably it's . so presumably you think it's between 1000000000 to between half 1000000000 to 1000000000? say 1000000000? let let's just say it's what they're it's half of what they're saying. i mean, it's a substantial amount of money, but it's you know, it's not, you know, game changing for moment, we changing part for a moment, we pay changing part for a moment, we pay for every service pay virtually for every service with vat, with value added tax . with vat, with value added tax. there are few exceptions , but there are few exceptions, but when you go out for dinner, you'll pay vat. my dad's a taxi driver. you know, people have to pay driver. you know, people have to pay vat. and what not. so i'm pay vat. and whatnot. so i'm just trying to standardise things across the uk economy. this is service industry in the private sector. i don't think the sort of emphasis should be. well make the argument for them to pay vat . i well make the argument for them to pay vat. i think the argument should be well why shouldn't they pay vat given it's the norm across the private sector and they're offering they're not in they're offering they're not in the private sector, in the charity sector . this the private sector, in the charity sector. this is a circular argument, but they're offering a service, educational services service on their offering, often a premium service . and i don't really see service. and i don't really see the argument against it doing

pubuc the argument against it doing public good. they are taking five, 600,000 people, if you would like , out of the state would like, out of the state system . are they removing that system. are they removing that pressure on the state schools and are they doing a benefit? they allow various different people, bursaries and access to that level of education. they do pubuc that level of education. they do public good by sharing facilities and all the rest of it. i think the regret idea, the loss of businesses, but lots of businesses do that. lots of businesses do that. lots of businesses are of real benefits, their communities, but they have to don't quite to pay vat. i don't quite understand exceptional understand what's so exceptional with schools with regards to private schools . i just come in there . if i can just come in there and made really good and you've made a really good point, but the reason why we don't traditional centre to pay vat we don't trust vat is because we don't trust charities or charge charities to pay vat or charge vat the services they provide vat on the services they provide loans provide loans to charities, provide services people and sometimes services to people and sometimes charge and actually charge for it. and actually we've a really long we've got a really long tradition country of tradition in this country of goods stuff being by goods stuff being done by charities. and have very charities. and we have a very broad, interpretation broad, generous interpretation or definition of what that good stuff that under stuff is that can fall under charitable purposes . if labour charitable purposes. if labour go route , what they're go down this route, what they're going to find is in the early years government, when

years of their government, when they've 1,000,001 other they've got 1,000,001 other things they're things to focus on, they're going themselves going to find themselves pulled into court cases by into a lot of court cases by each individual private school that this. who that is affected by this. who will take them to court to argue the that they are indeed the case that they are indeed charitable, causes, and charitable, good causes, and that they should be that therefore they should be treated other charity treated like every other charity in unless in the country unless you're saying charities saying that all charities should. charge vat should. now have to charge vat on services they provide, on the services they provide, i think not labour and think that's not what labour and i use a lot of goodwill i think we use a lot of goodwill and political capital. if labour gain, they've got big gain, they've got some big issues and this is issues to do with and this is something i put side why something i put to one side why are they obsessed with it? i don't this there's two don't know why this there's two things second point things here. so my second point might surprise you. let's start with one your viewers with the first one your viewers who businesses run who own businesses and run businesses services businesses and provide services to private and to people in the private and market have to pay vat. market economy. have to pay vat. yeah but these are businesses not they are because that not where they are because that they're and generating they're making and generating huge provide huge sums of money to provide a private to people which private service to people which people value because gives people value because it gives their children education, which will earning will increase their earning potential lifetime. potential over their lifetime. it service . you're saying it is a service. you're saying it's a charity, but it's indisputably a service. indisputably also a service. i think people out there who work

their socks off as taxi drivers running a restaurant, a clothes shop, whatever you have to do as a business person, you have to pay a business person, you have to pay your vat . and i just find it pay your vat. and i just find it a anomaly that they a strange anomaly that they don't have to pay vat. now, the secondary arguments out at work, right an right as much money. that's an interesting of interesting point. and of course, the loss of political will again, interest and point. what and this may what i would say is and this may surprise michel, is i think surprise you, michel, is i think labour are obsessed with this because they don't actually want to go really big on taxing the ultra rich because a major tax on some of the big tech companies out there, a global financial or transact tax would raise big money. now we can have an argument about whether or not that's useful or not, but in the cases of those kinds of businesses, you're looking at tens of billions of pounds, not 1 0 £1.7 billion. so i think 1 to £1.7 billion. so i think labour pick this is a battle even though it's actually quite small because they don't small numbers because they don't want to take on the big boys. i'm sure if add to i'm not sure if i can add to that. another reason i think it's clever politics it's quite clever politics for labour this, even though i labour to do this, even though i think it's wrong thing is

think it's the wrong thing is you're i haven't said you're not just i haven't said anything. it's substantive. it's all about what they do all about what they would do with and actually with state schools. and actually for i have spent their for those i have spent all their careers state schools or careers in state schools or those have been involved those that have been involved with education those that have been involved with the education those that have been involved with the last education those that have been involved with the last 12, education those that have been involved with the last 12, 13 education those that have been involved with the last 12, 13 years. :ation those that have been involved with the last 12, 13 years. what over the last 12, 13 years. what we want to know and we really want to know and there's million there's just under a million people work in england people that work in england state schools. what go on is what are going to do to what are you going to do to improve things for kids state improve things for kids in state schools? you going to roll schools? are you going to roll back of the reforms back some of the reforms that have better back some of the reforms that ha recent better back some of the reforms that ha recent years better back some of the reforms that ha recent years in better back some of the reforms that ha recent years in terms better back some of the reforms that ha recent years in terms of better in recent years in terms of international comparisons, engush international comparisons, english have got better english schools have got better over years. if you over the last few years. if you look behaviour schools, look at behaviour in schools, it's better. obviously it's got better. obviously we're heanng it's got better. obviously we're hearing stories hearing lots of negative stories in at the moment in the press at the moment because strikes, but if you because of strikes, but if you actually look at what's going on in english schools right now because by the because of the hard work by the profession parents and profession and parents and pupils, have got better. pupils, schools have got better. what know is if keir what i want to know is if keir starmer's, and starmer's, prime minister and bridget becomes bridget phillipson becomes education bridget phillipson becomes edwactually going do with you actually going to do with those schools? know what those schools? don't know what you with private schools. you can do with private schools. what are you going to do in the state schools? and right up until nothing until now, nothing. nothing serious. sentence all serious. i say the sentence all the to think of a

the time. i need to think of a better sentence. but to me, this is just politics of envy, because you're not actually going any money, going to make any money, any savings in fact, savings by doing this in fact, actually, a period time, actually, over a period of time, it's cost you money it's going to cost you money because it's not just the very wealthy that stick their kids into private schools. it's a lot of people of middle income people that really sacrifice. they make cuts. here. they cuts. they don't go here. they don't there. and they don't go there. and they prioritise education prioritise the education of their because want their children because they want their children because they want their do better than their children to do better than them. just knew tell me at them. and i just knew tell me at home, am i barking up the wrong tree because i think home, am i barking up the wrong treepointless.3ecause i think home, am i barking up the wrong treepointless. izcause i think home, am i barking up the wrong treepointless. i thinks i think home, am i barking up the wrong treepointless. i think it's1ink home, am i barking up the wrong treepointless. i think it's a1k it's pointless. i think it's a little bit of delusion. and i just think it's a basic attack on aspiration. and let me also ask this and please answer ask you this and please answer honestly have the means honestly if you have the means to your children, your to send your children, your grandchildren, whoever, to private school, honestly , would private school, honestly, would you do it? i was always so against them when i was growing up. i thought they were really posh and all the rest of it. but now that i'm a mom, i absolutely would send my son private would send my son to private school. give your school. would you give me your thoughts when i come back? get this. i can't believe this is a true i'm going to take a

true story. i'm going to take a break. i come back, an break. but when i come back, an mp that manage to retain mp that doesn't manage to retain a seat going forward a a seat going forward to a general election . do you think general election. do you think they should medal on the they should get a medal on the way out? basically for public service and a bit more money for loss of office to help them as a cushion whilst they're waiting and trying to get their next job. give me your soul so you into .

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pm. only on . gb news. hi there. p.m. only on. gb news. hi there. welcome back to dewbs & co. with welcome back to dewbs& co. with me michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight along side we are in boston is the founder of novara media and mike lehane is head of education lehane is the head of education at the centre for policy studies . welcome back, everybody . you . welcome back, everybody. you guys have been getting in contact . we've just been talking contact. we've just been talking about lots of different topics, actually, if you just joined us, fred, this is your moment of glory up fred, this is your moment of glory up on the screen that your straight the point you say straight to the point you say nobody should be paying v h t. oh, i've got to say, if quite frankly, i screwed up, i'm not in charge of the contracts. i don't think anyone should be paying don't think anyone should be paying inheritance tax. i don't think anyone should be paying stamp duty. but then i actually don't know would fund lots don't know how i would fund lots of for so fred, me of things. for so fred, tell me how fund things then kyiv how to fund things then kyiv says, you take all these kids says, if you take all these kids out of private schools where an f, to put them all

f, are you going to put them all in a state school, of course, which would lead to much more pressure which pressure in that sector, which why asked me the labour why if you asked me the labour argument doesn't stand up, carol says stay at school should be so good there would be no need good that there would be no need for private schools. i agree with you, but they're not good , with you, but they're not good, are they? and what happens is, by the way, when do get by the way, when you do get a good stay at school, the house pnces good stay at school, the house prices around catchment area for that school shoot through the roof. yes , you're not roof. so yes, you're not spending all that money on fees for private school, but you are certainly a premium for certainly paying a premium for the property in and around those areas anyway . would you be an areas anyway. would you be an mp? is that your kind of thing? do you look at the earnings of some of them and think actually, yeah, that could be for me? well, a commons committee now thinks that mp should get a medallion service and six medallion of service and six figure payouts when they lose their seats elections, they their seats at elections, they say that the rejection by voters , as i quote, can be an emotional and traumatic experience as someone that's been rejected not once but twice

by voters at the ballot box, i can safely say i've never been traumatised or anything like that. but at the end of it, erin , give me your thoughts. medals really , let's do a compromise . really, let's do a compromise. how about something like a swing much cheaper. no, it will be like a five metres. no, no , no. like a five metres. no, no, no. a cha should have done better . a cha should have done better. you should have worked harder. i should of appeal to your voters better. well, firstly, i think. i think we should value public service and i think that should be recognised. think most be recognised. but i think most people intuitively would think this proposal is ridiculous precisely think and precisely because they think and i think quite rightly that actually few in actually very few are in politics because public politics because of public service. abstract , service. so in the abstract, okay, in terms of the real world, westminster in 2024 when a bunch of them get the boot, no , absolutely agree . the golden , absolutely agree. the golden goodbye. bye is a sensible proposal if it's a small amount of money. i mean, i'll actually know a few. like mp pays off to 2019 who have to go on the dole. it's fair enough, but you might say that's the same for

everybody else. think a small everybody else. i think a small amount cash fine parachute amount of cash fine parachute payment several months of payment of several months of rent and mortgages and whatnot. but absurd but the medallion is just absurd . never met a profession . i have never met a profession where people than that where more people than that profession view themselves as as victims and as this extraordinary group of people that nobody else can ever hope to imitate . as mp your first to imitate. as mp your first sentence there when you were saying about being in public service , i'm not sure that service, i'm not sure that i actually regard an mp as doing a pubuc actually regard an mp as doing a public service . i think that you public service. i think that you do a job that happens to be in the public sector. you get handsomely rewarded it not just with your salary, but the millions that many of these people go on to make. and subsequent years from writing books , doing talk shows, eating books, doing talk shows, eating penises on national television, you name it , i penises on national television, you name it, i don't see it as a pubuc you name it, i don't see it as a public service, do you? anyway, mark, what do you make to all of this profession? i've also put myself forward for an election before, and i didn't find losing

a particularly emotional and traumatic experience. did you have go to a safe space have to go to a safe space afterwards to recall? i had a little sob and i pick little sob and then i pick myself up and drove home. but listen, actually, been listen, actually, i've been lucky a special lucky enough i was a special adviser just under to adviser for just under a year to two education secretaries. and dunng two education secretaries. and during that job and since i'm out very lucky to work out shopping, very lucky to work quite closely with different mps and so on. and and ministers and so on. and i do think them do go into do think most of them do go into politics the reasons. politics for the right reasons. i do it's public service. i do think it's public service. it's just job. they it's not just another job. they do have a unique set of responsibilities. and if you want government we want good government and if we want good government and if we want this country better want to make this country better and help make the a better and help make the world a better place, think we to try place, i think we need to try and make job of mp and and make the job of mp and minister bearable. i they minister bearable. i think they are well paid. i think they take are well paid. i think they take a of for the job they a lot of flack for the job they do. think is a thankless do. i think it is a thankless task. so i think we should value our mps more what i would say and read up on the and having read up on the recommendations here was read the eyes there is the room eyes like there is a cost living crisis going on cost of living crisis going on right now last thing right now and the last thing people going to worrying people are going to be worrying about about their about is mp wrong about their job the next election and

job come the next election and so i think they've actually got a point they're trying to a good point they're trying to make do need to value make that we do need to value our more you our politicians more or you won't get people going in. won't get good people going in. how value them what how do you value them then? what do to do? thank you. do you want to do? thank you. parade dance and sing parade where we dance and sing and for a rose petals at their feet what? so actually we tend to in democracies for to get in democracies and for all we have a pretty all its flaws we have a pretty good democracy here. tend to get the politicians we ask for. so we croydon at the top we talk about croydon at the top of they show here today one of it. they show here today one of it. they show here today one of reasons why local of the reasons why our local councils run well and councils aren't run so well and why national government why our national government isn't so is because we isn't run so well is because we keep them to do keep on asking them to do contradictory their contradictory things in their jobs. want to focus on jobs. i want my mp to focus on ukraine energy security, use ukraine energy security, to use education like education system and stuff like that. i want my local councillors focusing on bread and issues, not getting and butter issues, not getting into and stuff into property deals and stuff like i think we like that. and so i think we need to quite this need to be quite clear this voters, what we're asking of our councillors mp then councillors of our mp and then giving them the space to get with the job, it's easy for us to sit here and comment on to free sit here and comment on that also think it's that stuff. i also think it's really to get that really hard to get into that pubuc really hard to get into that public arena and do stuff and all mistakes showing all your mistakes showing up

publicly. and of course i'm biased because work for some biased because i work for some government who've government ministers who've been through yeah nadhim through the review. yeah nadhim zahawi shocker? zahawi is that a right shocker? but education secretary, zahawi is that a right shocker? bu�*was education secretary, zahawi is that a right shocker? bu�*was a education secretary, zahawi is that a right shocker? bu�*was a real cation secretary, zahawi is that a right shocker? bu�*was a real dream secretary, zahawi is that a right shocker? bu�*was a real dream to :retary, zahawi is that a right shocker? bu�*was a real dream to worky, zahawi is that a right shocker? bu�*was a real dream to work for. he was a real dream to work for. a really lovely guy, very a really lovely guy, was very popular senior popular with officials, senior officials officials had officials junior officials had a very for education very clear plan for education was getting done. can't was getting stuff done. i can't comment the other stuff. comment on all the other stuff. it never up, but they're human beings, they've got families, they've some of they've got feelings. some of they've got feelings. some of the heard they've got feelings. some of the employees heard they've got feelings. some of the employees about1eard they've got feelings. some of the employees about what their from employees about what their families through, how families have been through, how people up at their people have turned up at their homes, their families own homes, where their families own threatened them. it really makes you think twice about whether you'd it yourself. it you'd want do it yourself. it certainly twice certainly made me think twice about it's step i'd about whether it's a step i'd want take. yeah, they've want to take. yeah, they've got families, they've got homes, they've stables they they've got stables that they need of course, those need to hate. of course, those kind of things. stables on hate themselves. this is very true. but yesterday but we discussed yesterday a teacher one of her teacher actually one of her students had done this, a poster that said the only good tories, a dead tory, the only good lib dem is a bad lib dem. and when you do have things like that, dead lib dem sorry it does incite hatred i think. and i

think that those kind of people should be fired from their jobs for those kind of incitements of hatred as a teacher or a people, it was a placard that was made by a pupil that was celebrated by a pupil that was celebrated by a pupil that was celebrated by a teacher and held up by the teacher and posted on instagram by the teacher on sunday. yeah, that doesn't sound particularly good. today was not watching gb news last night. erin if you watch dewbs & co, you didn't run watch dewbs& co, you didn't run this story to be the right call. apologies. michelle i just want to very quickly though, i to say very quickly though, i think the calibre of think actually the calibre of politicians country politicians in, this country is very extraordinarily low. very low, extraordinarily low. and of in local and it's worst of all in local government as we've seen with the story. and i think the croydon story. and i think a big reason that is our big reason for that is our electoral and past electoral system. and first past the rewards loyalty the post which rewards loyalty and your ability to, you know, get yourself up the greasy pole of political intrigue and gossip and infighting and if you can navigate that, you'll do well. and if you're a good problem solver, competent, affable , you solver, competent, affable, you know, somebody that would normally , you know, be quite normally, you know, be quite senior position the company .

senior position the company. that's all irrelevant in politics. and so politicians on fixing very much right now i think that's why and as a result i'm sure most of your viewers think it's ridiculous giving them a medal. why? what do they do and their rights. i think if we had a success for political system different kind of system with a different kind of electoral right electoral system and the right people sure then it people in politics. sure then it would a different kind of would be a different kind of debate. and i don't think you should get your honours, your knighthoods rest of knighthoods and all the rest of it your job. really it for doing your job. i really don't like when i read don't like that. when i read so—and—so's got an award for pubuc so—and—so's got an award for public service or whatever it is, and i look at that and think, what should mean doing yourjob? think, what should mean doing your job? that's literally your job. why, if you go this knighthood or whatever, i disagree that. michelle, disagree with that. michelle, you are a censor letter. you say , actually, what i was just saying, they get knighted for doing nothing or for making a mess of this country. so going on now to give the medals wouldn't surprise you at all. joe says it the public that joe says it is the public that get a medal, quite frankly, for putting up with the employees and mess that we are in.

and the mess that we are in. harry says a medal on the way out nonsense they should be given a dishonourable discharge or less. of course they shouldn't get anything. the way i see it is if they lose their job, it's because they have not done a good job, stevens says. by done a good job, stevens says. by all means give them this pay off , but give it from by all means give them this pay off, but give it from party phones , not from the public phones, not from the public purse . that's the way i see it, purse. that's the way i see it, by the way, is if you get elected, it's essentially a fixed term contract for five years and that's the end of it. you know, i don't think that you should imagine that you've got this job for life. and in fact, i would argue that one of the reasons that we're in the predicament that we're in is a sense entitlement, that sense of entitlement, that people once people do think that once they're they are some they're elected, they are some kind god demigod that kind of semi god demigod that actually entitle actually has a sense of entitle meant to the election. and meant to win the election. and i say the election , hence say at the next election, hence they feel what was that i said earlier on like vulnerable, traumatised and all the rest of it don't get it when they don't get re—elected anyway. let's talk the prevent programme after the

break, shall we? it's in the dock has been a dock now. there has been a report out which basically says that we are treating terrorism more like a mental illness , more like a mental illness, soulless extremism. are we are we paying enough attention , for we paying enough attention, for example, to the threat of islamist extremists in this or not? give me your thoughts and i'll see you into .

hi there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me, michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight in boston . annie, the tonight in boston. annie, the founder of novara media, is alongside me, as is mark lehane , the head of education at the centre for policy studies. welcome back , everybody . lots of welcome back, everybody. lots of you guys getting in touch. i asked you an honest question. would you, your kids to private schools if you could afford it? i appreciate your honesty, many

of you, because not only did you say yes , you would, many of you say yes, you would, many of you were telling me yes, you were telling me that, yes, you already do . but my daughter already do. but my daughter works, his socks off to send to her kids, to private school, they go without holidays and lots of other things to afford this say so the vat on the fees would put the nail in that coffin because they wouldn't be able to afford it. so those two children would be two of many. i suspect that would have to return to the state system, which is, if you ask me, the flaw in the plan when it comes to changing the status of private schools. keep your thoughts coming in anyway. what do you think to the way we treat potential terrorists? do you think we're too soft on them? do you even know what prevents? is the prevent program a review now that's out today into prevent , that's out today into prevent, which is the government's counterterrorism strategy suggests now that this service is too focussed on. i quote the personal vulnerability states and the mental health of extremists. now mark, as we've

just been discussing out of iran, you've set up a school, you've been a head teacher, you've been a head teacher, you've been a teacher in and around education lots of the prevent referrals are done via the schools. do you think prevent is fit for purpose? so obviously what we want to try and do as a as a society is to try and stop people falling into the under the influence of bad people that might lead them on to do bad things. okay. so i completely understand why the government to prevent government has to prevent program and indeed the first responsibility of a government is its people safe. is to keep its people safe. whether has up whether prevent has ended up doing effectively, think doing that effectively, i think is . now, when i is open to question. now, when i was a teacher and head teacher, folks, i was never in a position needed make referrals. but needed to make referrals. but what thing we have to make sure is that systems this do not become a way making excuses become a way of making excuses for end up falling for why people end up falling under wrong influence and under the wrong influence and doing things and this report doing bad things and this report kind of suggests that certain ideas have gotten to the prevent program that are starting to make at if you make excuses at all, if you like, looking at why people might stuff,

might be doing stuff, making excuses them, rather than excuses for them, rather than stopping going on stopping them from going on to committing so committing atrocities and so on, because wait for it, because you almost wait for it, you see someone i don't know , you see someone i don't know, driving up to a maternity hospital in a taxi and setting a bomb off or something. and you almost where you go. let me let me just hear let me guess. me just hear it. let me guess. mental issues , it has mental health issues, it has become borderline ridiculous. and where were you on it ? one and where were you on it? one thing i do understand is that the chap who wrote this reports, william shawcross , is william shawcross, is a journalist and i don't quite understand what journalist is writing such an important document about the former head of the charter commission, as well he appointed in, well as he was appointed in, i think, 2020. so he's been a lifetime journalist. you know, he's know, he's written about, you know, the war in the 1970s. the vietnam war in the 1970s. and on. not in the and so on. he's not in the education he's not in education sector. he's not in the he's the public sector. he's not really experience working really got experience of working with extremist with domestic extremist journalists their journalists are known for their fact finding destination. fact finding their destination. they're interviewing for gathering so gathering information. so i sleep well. i would respond to his actual work would indicate he's opinionated as a chap he's quite opinionated as a chap and would thought a work and i would have thought a work of , which is meant to

of analysis, which is meant to be in the public interest shouldn't be written by an opinionated journalist. as much as kinds of people, as i like those kinds of people, i one. i would suggest it i am one. i would suggest it would far better if it would have been far better if it was actually more was somebody actually more familiar situation familiar with the situation with life that's the thing life work. so that's the thing that civil servant that strikes me. civil servant or somebody who's worked in the charity sector. and you know what he did? he was the former head of the charity commission 2020. he was there for 10 minutes then he's been minutes and then he's been moved. i think in 2021. this was commissioned by priti patel. it's not expert in this it's not an expert in this country. we really have a problem right now with mickey mouse people doing mickey mouse work and getting away with that. i understand why an i don't understand why an opinionated is opinionated journalist is writing a document about how to deal domestic extremism. so deal with domestic extremism. so me get my swords and me going to my get my swords and say, know what, ask say, you know what, i won't ask a mechanic . say, you know what, i won't ask a mechanic. i'll go to say, you know what, i won't ask a mechanic . i'll go to the vets a mechanic. i'll go to the vets instead. i'm sure they've got a disagree with his findings. i've read the document. it seems actually that's actually quite. and that's why i don't quite understand about it. it's the it's quite anodyne. the government the government accepted all of the recommended so maybe the recommended ones, so maybe the point was he would say the

things they want to hear and then they would just, you know, adopt them. there doesn't seem to be any sort of analytical figour to be any sort of analytical rigour secondly rigour there. secondly fact, they've single they've adopted every single recommendation. they've adopted every single recom|d01dation. they've adopted every single recom|do thaton. commissioner would do that you commissioner report? , you know what, report? they say, you know what, we have 35 recommendations. okay, brilliant they will okay, brilliant. they want will accept if you had accept all of them. if you had critically smart people critically engaged smart people managing the business, they would actually, know would say, actually, you know what, on that what, on this point on that point as pushback, maybe we can prove this or maybe that's not quite no, that's how quite right. but no, that's how government is done in this country. and think that's the country. and i think that's the detriment yeah, detriment of the public. yeah, i mean, i've the mean, i've got the recommendations here. i mean, they're is kind of they're not really is kind of like from the prevent like learn from the prevent funding cycles between two and five current terminal five years keep current terminal js describe islamist and js to describe islamist and extreme right wing ology to ensure that the language is sorry is accurate . but one of sorry is accurate. but one of the criticisms is there's too much focus on right wing ideas , much focus on right wing ideas, eulogies, all these what they call incels . these guys hate call incels. these guys hate women and you're desperately

scrabbling around to try and find problems with the right wing side of things while cosily turning a blind eye. so they what some would say is the real threat, the islamist side of things . so threat, the islamist side of things. so one of the threat, the islamist side of things . so one of the difficult things. so one of the difficult things. so one of the difficult things the government has to do is many difficult things and we can sleep at night not having to worry about some of the less salubrious things going on in our country because we have the government intelligence government and the intelligence services police look services and the police look into all time. into them all the time. it's interesting that this review has been done. is quite clear. there have been some mistakes made have been some big mistakes made by programme by the prevent programme previously to really previously funding to really dodgy . but in this dodgy organisations. but in this murky world i think government is always going to to be is always going to have to be walking cases a grey walking in some cases a grey line. most important thing line. the most important thing for want to think about for me you want to think about my daughters or children my own daughters or the children that teach or the that used to teach or the community i live in. we community that i live in. we have to find a way to not tiptoe around issues, that there around these issues, that there are communities are certain communities or certain young men at certain people that young men at risk the influence of the far risk of the influence of the far right or people within certain east communities. we've east asian communities. we've got to find a way to talk openly

and about what's going and honestly about what's going on keep everybody on there, to keep everybody safe, including the young people concerned. safe, including the young people cortiptoei. safe, including the young people cortiptoe around this whole kind do tiptoe around this whole kind of islamist they do of islamist threat. they do tiptoe around things like the grooming gang situation because people so terrified these people are so terrified these days of being called a racist by the way, you will have seen a trailer. we've got a grooming gang special documentary coming up imminently , the weekend, up imminently, the weekend, i think it is. let's have a look at some of your thoughts. great couple of guests. michelle, i run really refreshing run amok. really refreshing nivea a song sheets nivea singing from a song sheets but giving sensible alternatives more from them please ken says these are two of your best guest client professional is can your dad either you not as far as i know not so lots of love coming in for you guys. i like it, right? look at the time it flies , doesn't it, when you are having fun , why should employees having fun, why should employees get medals ? i did 25 years in get medals? i did 25 years in the prison service and i got nothing, says alan. i agree with you. that's all i've got time for. have yourselves a wonderful evening , for. have yourselves a wonderful evening, nigel for. have yourselves a wonderful evening , nigel farage. up next

evening, nigel farage. up next and see you tomorrow . hi and i will see you tomorrow. hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office wet and windy weather in the far northwest will ease as it spreads south overnight, followed by showers in the north. but conditions towards the south. it's an active cold front that is bringing some heavy rain and gales to the north—west of scotland during the the afternoon. that the rest of the afternoon. that then it runs into then spreads south. it runs into higher pressure and weakens as it pushes into much of england and wales. but for a time some heavy rain and then some hill snow as that crosses snow as that front crosses scotland into northern ireland, it weakens by the time it it really weakens by the time it gets to northern england and wales and for the rest of the uk it's just an area of cloud and some patchy drizzle. meanwhile, showers and showers push into northern and western parts of western scotland. parts of northern these northern ireland and these showers falling hail showers will be falling as hail and sleet snow over the and sleet and snow over the hills with some icy patches by dawn towards the north of scotland. so watch out for those first thing, but otherwise a dull and damp start in the far south, but also a bright start

for much of england and wales as the front clears away and sunny skies return for much of the afternoon . cloudy for scotland afternoon. cloudy for scotland and northern, the blustery showers begin to ease during the afternoon, but we'll see further spots of rain in the west of scotland and temperatures across the uk , 8 to 10 celsius into the uk, 8 to 10 celsius into thursday evening and some thicker cloud comes along in the northwest , some thicker cloud comes along in the northwest, some high cloud further south actually. they'll still be a frost in the south under any clear spells and with light winds as well. of course, it will be a chilly start to friday in the south with temperatures away for urban centres. i think down below zero. further north, less cold, but a damp start for western scotland. parts of northern ireland really it stays damp across western scotland and northern ireland throughout much of friday day. the rain coming and going it will be soggy also for the hills of north—west scotland . but elsewhere across scotland. but elsewhere across the uk it's largely dry. a lot of cloud cover the best of any brightness into the weekend

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us president zelenskyy demands combat aircraft. it looks like sunakis combat aircraft. it looks like sunak is going to are we doing the right thing or risking escalation? we'll look at the prevent report, a review on it all. we worrying too about right wing extremism and not enough about islamic extremism. a gb news exclusive into grooming gangsin news exclusive into grooming gangs in the north of england. that's going to make for very, very sobering viewing . and very sobering viewing. and joining me on talking points, comedian daniel israel o'reilly , he was pretty much the first comedian to be cancelled from uktv, but he's managed to revive and rescue his career