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us president zelenskyy demands combat aircraft. it looks like sunakis combat aircraft. it looks like sunak is going to are we doing the right thing or risking escalation? we'll look at the prevent report, a review on it all. we worrying too about right wing extremism and not enough about islamic extremism. a gb news exclusive into grooming gangsin news exclusive into grooming gangs in the north of england. that's going to make for very, very sobering viewing . and very sobering viewing. and joining me on talking points, comedian daniel israel o'reilly , he was pretty much the first comedian to be cancelled from uktv, but he's managed to revive and rescue his career.
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uktv, but he's managed to revive and rescue his career . we'll and rescue his career. we'll find out how. but all of that comes after the news with polly middlehurst . nigel thank you and middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening to you. the prime minister has today confirmed the uk is accelerating the delivery of military equipment to ukraine so it arrives within days and weeks instead of months in his address to parliament earlier, president volodymyr zelenskyy requested a number of british fighterjets requested a number of british fighter jets to bolster their defences against russia. speaking at a military base in dorset earlier on today, rishi sunak said nothing was off the table in terms of military assistance. all over the united kingdom. ukrainian men and women are learning how to command and control nato's standard weapons. whether that is in drone warfare, tank operations or bafic warfare, tank operations or basic training , their dedication basic training, their dedication , courage and determination is a credit to you and your country
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and to me, your visit here today underlines our two countries close and enduring friendship . close and enduring friendship. we will always be by your side, your staunch and unwavering friends . we will governments and friends. we will governments and organisations all around the world have been offering their support to turkey and syria today after the two devastate earthquakes that happened on monday killed more than 11,000 people. the foreign office says three british people are still missing following disaster. and downing street says. the uk will continue to assess the situation and stand ready to provide further long term assistance as needed. further long term assistance as needed . international needed. international investigators say there are strong indications that the russian president, vladimir putin supplied the missile , putin supplied the missile, which downed a malaysia airlines flight in 2014. 298 people were killed in the disaster , which killed in the disaster, which happened over ukrainian territory . but investigators territory. but investigators also say the evidence isn't
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strong enough to lead to a criminal conviction . so they've criminal conviction. so they've ended their probe without further prosecutions. russia has denied any wrongdoing . here. the denied any wrongdoing. here. the partner of the missing of two, nicola bulli, has visited the riverbank in lancashire where she vanished. paul ansel spent a few minutes in the field near the river wyre as police continued their 12th day of the search . the 45 year old mum, search. the 45 year old mum, who's a mortgage adviser, went missing after taking her dog for a walk. meanwhile, the underwater rescue team , cgi, has underwater rescue team, cgi, has pulled out of the search with the ceo saying he's baffled after failing to find . her. the after failing to find. her. the former labour mp, jared o'mara , former labour mp, jared o'mara, has been found guilty of six counts of fraud committed whilst he was in office. the 41 year old, who was a member of parliament between 2017 and 2019, was on trial for submitting fake invoices to parliament worth around submitting fake invoices to parliament worth aroun d £24,000 parliament worth around £24,000 to fund his cocaine habit. a
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jury to fund his cocaine habit. a jury cleared him two other charges and sentencing will take place tomorrow at leeds crown court . and lastly, an inquest court. and lastly, an inquest into the death of archie battersby has concluded that he died accidentally in a prank or an experiment that went wrong . an experiment that went wrong. the coroner ruled a 12 year old boy who was found unconscious in his bedroom had not intended to harm himself . the boy had his harm himself. the boy had his life support treatment withdrawn in august last year after his parents failed to overturn a high court ruling that doctors could lawfully do so . you up to could lawfully do so. you up to date on tv, online, on dab plus radio. this is gb news the people's channel. time for favourite . favourite. good evening . what? it was good evening. what? it was a very well kept secret, but we
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learnt first thing this morning that en route to stansted airport was the president of ukraine. vladimir zelenskyy and that to meet him was yep the prime minister, rishi sunak , and prime minister, rishi sunak, and it was down to the house of commons. he sat in the gallery through without doubt the politest prime minister's questions that i've seen for a very long time. it was then westminster hall, joint westminster hall, a joint session of both houses of parliament addressed by the ukrainian president, and then off to lulworth british army camp in dorset for a big press conference. let's begin with the russians sorry, the ukrainian president giving thanks to boris johnson a westminster hall earlier on today. i have come here and stand before you on behalf of the brief of on behalf of our war, us who are now in the trenches under enemy artillery fire on behalf of our air gun us and every defender of
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this sky who protects ukraine against enemy aircrafts and missiles . against enemy aircrafts and missiles. boris. against enemy aircrafts and missiles. boris . you go to missiles. boris. you go to united to end send absolutely absolutely impossible . thank you absolutely impossible. thank you . now it's no great surprise that zelenskyy came here first because our contribution has been far bigger than any of our european neighbours. he's off to visit them next. so big acknowledgement towards boris johnson and towards rishi sunak. but here's the real message , the but here's the real message, the real message of today's trip was thank you for what you've done, but we need more, we need combat aircraft . here was zelenskyy aircraft. here was zelenskyy asked, i trust symbol will help us for our next coalition coalition of the planes and i appeal to you and the world was simple and yet most important
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words combat aircrafts for ukraine and wings for freedom . ukraine and wings for freedom. now boris johnson in the wake of that said we should send 100 typhoon jets to ukraine. it would seem boris johnson actually will send every bit of military equipment we've got to ukraine right now and leave nothing with us. rishi sunak , nothing with us. rishi sunak, after that request from the ukrainian president said he had ordered the ministry of defence to investigate what fighter jets we may be able to send. and bear in mind there was training on those jets already underway and he was the response he was the pubuc he was the response he was the public response we got from rishi sunak in walworth just an hour ago . the challenge tanks hour ago. the challenge tanks are going to be on the battlefield, as i said, in a matter of weeks . i mean, you've matter of weeks. i mean, you've seen the ukraine soldiers being trained on them as fast as we can, and we're providing them as fast we can. and we know that fast as we can. and we know that they they will make
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they will they will make a difference. the difference. and i think the president would you, you president would tell you, you know, we've been having conversations the few months conversations for the few months that had and that i've had this job and relatively rapidly after we discuss necessary. you discuss what is necessary. you know, sees we do know, ukraine sees that we do respond and then we galvanise others respond . that's what others to respond. that's what we have done and that's what we'll continue do . so the we'll continue to do. so the message clear . we take message is very clear. we take the lead, we galvanise others to follow. it's pretty clear that we are going to be committing some of our jets. my debate my question tonight is, are we doing the right thing or risking a dangerous level of escalation 7 a dangerous level of escalation ? give me your thoughts, please. farage at gb news dot uk , i'm farage at gb news dot uk, i'm joined by con coughlin, defence editor of the daily telegraph and henry bolton, of course, international security expert and border control . let's begin and border control. let's begin with you. you were saying quite clearly the other day that you felt nato's response ought to be stronger , that perhaps even stronger, that perhaps even bofis stronger, that perhaps even boris johnson play bigger role on the world stage are happy
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that we're now about to move. it would seem to be sending combat jets to ukraine. well, yes, i do think strongly we should give ukraine all the help we can . ukraine all the help we can. ukraine all the help we can. ukraine has the right under the un charter to get its allies to provide military equipment so long as british pilots aren't flying british jets against russia . we avoided yesterday. i russia. we avoided yesterday. i mean, the russians have been escalating from day one and you know, they are clearly determined to continue war and ukraine needs to have more equipment to prevail. ukraine needs to have more equipment to prevail . and i equipment to prevail. and i think it's in the west's in—tray that ukraine sees off this russian threat . so anything we russian threat. so anything we can do to help the ukrainians i do support so we give artillery kit we give anti—aircraft kit, we give tanks for that. we now give planes. why not men if that's their next request. well that's their next request. well that that i think the red line for me that's the red line. that's the red line for me are
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worried about the amount of equipment sending now. i equipment we're sending now. i think so long as the equipment is used by the ukrainian military. all right. that that is the big difference. and i think them as much as they need i mean , this is a very important i mean, this is a very important war in terms of the long term western security . if we let western security. if we let russia get away with this , russia get away with this, there'll be profound implications for our security and nato's security further down the line , henry bolton , you the line, henry bolton, you know, boris wants to send every piece of kit got. surely we have to keep something in reserve in a very uncertain world. mean, i agree with cotton. we cannot putin to win this war the implications would be massive for purity and i for europeans purity and i actually believe that if putin is allowed to consolidate ukrainian territory that's not the end of it . and i think the end of it. and i think inevitably if he's pushed out of ukraine in this war, then we will see a later war which will inevitably be a putin taking on
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nato and that will be a force in terms of blood and treasure. wouldn't he be insane do that? no. if he's got because not if he's got the west brokering a priest peace agreement that allows him to present this as victory . the russian people now victory. the russian people now but to answer your question . but to answer your question. well, first of all, to prevent putin winning this war, if the ukrainians need to have help , ukrainians need to have help, we're in a consolidation and regrouping phase at the moment in expectation on both sides of offensive operations coming in the next couple of months, some kind of spring offensive. yeah, indeed. and both both sides are now incorporate the lessons learned from the first year of war to regroup, reorganise , war to regroup, reorganise, rearm, re—equip, retrain and get out there so that they're ready to meet each other's offensive and launch their own in the coming months to meet those offensives , the ukrainians are offensives, the ukrainians are going to need significant help. and that's why the timing of this is important. what i worry
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aboutis this is important. what i worry about is that, yes, there is a risk i think the risk of taking on through ukraine now is less than doing a great deal less. it would a lot more some agreement. there's some agreement between the two sensible but the danger is that if we provide him with all the kit without backfill in our own, then we will leave naked . if this war does escalate naked. if this war does escalate . that was the geographic that was the point that labour's shadow defence secretary john healey was making yesterday. quite interesting intervention politically call. i keep politically by him call. i keep reading stuff in the press. i keep hearing boris saying well we putin and we must beat we beat putin and we must beat putin. we will beat putin whenever the russian army move back, you know, behind the dnieper river or whatever is presented as a huge the ukrainians are taking cores on. i mean to read the british press, you would think the ukrainians are winning this war hands down actually situations a lot more complex than that isn't the truth this though this could go years . that's how it
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go on for years. that's how it looks to me at the moment. the ukrainians had a good end of year last year and they took some importance positions in the north and the south . but when north and the south. but when you look at the map, north and the south. but when you look at the map , they've you look at the map, they've reclaimed about 10% of the territory that the russians took way back in 2014. they're nowhere near retaking crimea and.so nowhere near retaking crimea and. so when the ukrainians say they're to fight until they reclaim every bit of ukrainian soil , you do reclaim every bit of ukrainian soil, you do wonder reclaim every bit of ukrainian soil , you do wonder whether soil, you do wonder whether that's realistic and given the divisions within the nato alliance, i'm not sure there's much support for that. ukrainian within the nature of this is . within the nature of this is. what i think i mean, henry bolton at some point doesn't everybody have to accept that crimea not going back to ukraine. well think there needs to be a peace settlement of some corners debate implied that crimea is some way down the road before we can look at that , i before we can look at that, i think the first thing is what i
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would call the land bridge, the crimea and landbridge down crimea and landbridge from down to the north black sea to crimea on the north black sea coast. can the russians coast. now, can the russians hold that? the ukraine? if they can hold that, then ukraine is solid. sorry, crimea is solid . solid. sorry, crimea is solid. if the ukrainians can break through at some point in through that at some point in the coming year or whenever to the coming year or whenever to the black sea coast, then it becomes less easy for the russians to hold onto ukraine and to crimea. i think you know what? we're see, i mean, if you if you i'm going to use the analogy of world war ii, because i think in terms of the future of europe's security laydown and zelenskyy today referred to future european security architecture, i don't think he's wrong. i mean, this war is going to define what happens for decades security wise in europe going forward . and i think we going forward. and i think we can show that europe itself is very disunited indeed . i mean, very disunited indeed. i mean, you know, now not that we haven't got time now to talk the origins of this war in the energy side of the gas sort of fields and so on, involved . but fields and so on, involved. but it's major, if we look at
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it's a major, if we look at that, indeed, you know, the that, then indeed, you know, the part of the reason why putin, i think, thought he get away with this was lack consensus within the european continent relating to what you know what sort of reaction there should be. but i think that this i'm going to use the analogy of world war ii because i don't think it's inappropriate. we've got much the same sort of approach from russians as we had from in terms of they've approached of the way they've approached this. 1940, we were very this. but 1940, we were very much on the back . we were much on the back. we were begging the united states for support and help thank god the united states provided it train will be saying much the same thing. now about the allies providing ukraine. and we've got to never had that knowledge as to never had that knowledge as to how it's going to pan out. it was. but we couldn't afford to allow, of course, and that's where we are now. i agree with carl entirely. this is going to be a long war, and anybody who says otherwise wrong . i'm says otherwise is wrong. i'm convinced reputation for convinced of the reputation for our defence policy going forward
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it's i think much of the british press irresponsible press has been irresponsible frankly that it's frankly in the way that it's been not look at each been saying not look at each other. no, no, no, no. fine. but i think about jimi final quicksort, if you are quicksort, if i may, if you are right and where we i mean, i'm worried we're getting deeper and deeper this perhaps than deeper into this perhaps than you well, are all agreed you are. well, we are all agreed is is going to get bigger is this is going to get bigger and bigger, you know, more and more to be more equipment is going to be demanded . isn't it time that we demanded. isn't it time that we had a sharp, short increase in defence spending in this country and sadly, i mean we have to i mean the fact we sent 14 challenge years and the army's saying that it's on its knees in terms of military capability . i terms of military capability. i mean, boris says send 100 british warplanes under 100 gbp. exactly. so that's nonsense. and of course there's a lot of boris grandstanding going on with rishi in terms the conflict. i mean, the one factor we haven't discussed tonight is just how long can russia sustain this
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conflict? and you you look at the russian economy , you look at the russian economy, you look at the russian economy, you look at the loss is in men and equipment. the russians have suffered this is a very brittle force . and whether mobilised force. and whether mobilised 500,000 conscription, which is what we believe , which is what what we believe, which is what we're being told, that's the russian propaganda . but are they russian propaganda. but are they combat ready? are they really to make a difference? and if they're just use them in a sort of world war slaughter house tactic , then that's not to last tactic, then that's not to last for very long and i think you know if the ukrainians couldn't sustain the gains they made at the end of last year through to the end of last year through to the summer, putin will be in trouble . i mean, one of the trouble. i mean, one of the things here is that in major conflicts of this sort, it has been proven time and time again that the side with the deepest, the economically the most depth economically survive . so now ukraine doesn't survive. so now ukraine doesn't have it alone. it needs the support its allies do support of its allies to do that. and general richard sheriff said the british government been government has not been listening. to listen.
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listening. it needs to listen. that it backfill equipment, that it backfill the equipment, the i think that's the one point that comes out more clearly to me than anything from this is we need a very rapid increase in defence procurement, very rapid aid indeed. a moment we'll aid indeed. in a moment we'll talk about the review into the prevent programme, which seems to that right wing to think that right wing extremism poses much bigger threat than islamic terrorism . threat than islamic terrorism. we'll discuss all of that in just a moment.
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so following that debate, are we doing the right thing in sending and more military kit to help ukraine or are we? we're seeing some kind of escalation. some of your thoughts . one viewer says, your thoughts. one viewer says, i'm sure a country can sell i'm not sure a country can sell military goods to any , but i military goods to any, but i believe is aid you're believe this is aid you're right, this is aid. believe this is aid you're right, this is aid . and thus right, this is aid. and thus far, it's about
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right, this is aid. and thus far, it's abou t £2.5 billion far, it's about £25 billion worth of military aid . and he worth of military aid. and he goes on to say, russia involves help from belarus, iran , help from belarus, iran, possibly china. what's the difference difference is, matey, we're involved in this one, harvey. plainly says no, chris yes. get planes in the ukrainian skies, bombing russian forces. and sean reflects , a view that and sean reflects, a view that we have very little of in terms of public debate, but it's out there in the country. sean says no world war iii is on the honzon no world war iii is on the horizon now. prevent this was the program put in place . try the program put in place. try and deal with terrorism a counter terrorism measure and it's been up for a big review thatis it's been up for a big review that is out today. how's it doing peter blakeslee for the metropolitan police detective. peter from what i can see of the review of this report, it's quite critical of the way that prevent is operated. it is suggesting that it is that is has prioritised what it sees as
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right wing extremism bordering on terrorism more than potential islamic terrorism. would that be a reasonable interpretation of where we are. very much so. and the report then goes on to say that the focus needs to be on islamic terrorism without taking the eye off the ball of right wing extremism . and goes on to wing extremism. and goes on to explain that some people that have held really quite mainstream views and perhaps if they're vocal with regards to concerns about huge numbers of immigrants coming to the uk, why almost a flick, some switches so that they would have come up under the guise of the prevent programme , which of course is programme, which of course is a shift that shouldn't have been there. so 34 recommendations and suella braverman is that you will take them all board. let's hope she acts upon them . doesn't hope she acts upon them. doesn't merely doff cap to them . but i merely doff cap to them. but i think there's a subtext to all
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of this. if i may, which really pollutes and pervades so much of pubuc pollutes and pervades so much of public services . and that is public services. and that is people are afraid of the uncomfortable truth, for example, that there's some ideology in islam which wants to wipe us from the face of the earth. but because there are questions and concerns, people's rights and their face, they won't be as robustly as perhaps they should be. and of course, we know that's happened within policing, but we've had grooming gangs that have simply being tackled because again , people's tackled because again, people's fear about rights, if you're going to do your job and you do it properly without fear or favour, what really? is this so you're suggesting that prevent it, despite the very best of intentions when it set up intentions when it was set up and theresa may was a very big champion of all of this. home secretary, you're suggesting that has that prevent, frankly, has politicised and i fear that some people have become afraid of saying what the truth is and tackling that truth robustly
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fairly properly and it's only really of late that it's come to light that some organised actions have taken prevent funding and they haven't prevented the spread of the ideology . in fact, some have ideology. in fact, some have been found to perhaps serve of that ideology. so really need open, honest debate. and those who are involved with trying to prevent blowing it all to smithereens , to act without fear smithereens, to act without fear or favour and on the right wing terrorist ism staff, let's not pretend it doesn't exist because it does exist. yes, you know you made the point that actually some people have come under the purview of this that never should have done for free and open mainstream debate . but of open mainstream debate. but of course still of course there are still risks of extremists far right with extremists on the far right with assault and all rest assault rifles and all the rest of it. very much so. and we've people quite sent to people quite rightly sent to prison acts of prison for their acts of violence or their ideology , and violence or their ideology, and thatis violence or their ideology, and that is only right. and of course, we've heard from the security talking about the very
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real threat of right wing . so we real threat of right wing. so we can't afford for these organisations to take the eye off ball. no, in any way, shape or form . what we may have or form. what we may have overegged. yes, i think so. it needs to a certain extent it's been batted around a bit like a tennis ball being whacked from one court to another . peter one court to another. peter actually, as ever , they're easy actually, as ever, they're easy to understand. thank you very much indeed. in a moment, we're going to show you a gb news special investigations report . special investigations report. do you remember when that story broke about rather of the grooming gangs back in 2014? many of us feel sick to the bottom stomachs. bottom of our stomachs. we simply believe was simply couldn't believe it was happening country. or happening in this country. or maybe thought it all got maybe you thought it all got away . maybe you thought it was away. maybe you thought it was all over . well, away. maybe you thought it was allover. well, gb news is all over. well, gb news is charlie peters has a special documentary coming out this weekend. we'll preview in just a moment .
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i'm joined by documentary maker charlie peters. charlie, you've been working for many, many months on a documentary. it's going to be shown on gb news at 8 pm. for its first viewing this saturday evening . i this saturday evening. i mentioned before the break the incredible show much of the country got about the scale of grooming gangs in those northern and midlands. yes towns and cities . what have you found out. cities. what have you found out. well, i into the investigation a year ago expecting to just cover what we already knew , but with what we already knew, but with some fresh, honest analysis . i some fresh, honest analysis. i think you would agree that when the story broke a decade ago it was not treated with the level of interest and that it should have been by the have been done by the establishment, the media at the time, difficult questions were kicked the long and kicked into the long grass and analysis was muted . the home analysis was muted. the home office grooming office report into grooming gangs ago was, i gangs a few years ago was, i think , of a whitewash. so think, a bit of a whitewash. so i wanted deal that and
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i wanted to deal with that and go over what we already knew. but with a new, fresh set of thinking . unfortunately, what thinking. unfortunately, what i found there was found is that actually there was a uncover and else is a more to uncover and else is really on the story anymore . so really on the story anymore. so because of the cover from the past to uncover this past and more to uncover this going now with tremendous going on now with tremendous regret. what's going on now and viewers tune in on the viewers can tune in on the saturday 8 pm. to find out some more of what that means. unfortunately, and also more of what going on in past what was going on in the past think been an think there has been an insufficient from much insufficient degree of from much of establishment media to of the establishment media to really dive into the of really dive into the depths of this horrifying story. and that really dive into the depths of this allowed g story. and that really dive into the depths of this allowed perpetrators that really dive into the depths of this allowed perpetrators to at really dive into the depths of this allowed perpetrators to go has allowed perpetrators to go unpunished and indeed those who supported them through their own institutional failure supported them through their own institutionalfailure go institutional failure to go without accountability. one of the exclusives we ran last month on gb news was that a man who was forced to resign from rotherham council in 2015 due to being part of a council that was in denial. eight years later, we uncovered that is now a diversity and inclusion in the nhs. yes. paid £50,000 a year to lecture on inclusion and he was
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the cabinet member for community cohesion in rotherham when he was alleged to have pushed away difficult conversations about grooming gangs in the town. he did this for the best part of a and still two decades on. no no punishment. still paid for by the state. and he's gotten away with it because nobody else is looking into us. we are what we've uncovered, i think, will shock your viewers. well, let's just a little just a quick clip, a little preview what you're going preview of what you're going to see saturday at see this saturday evening at 8:00. i don't drink or do drugs, and i've escaped that life . i and i've escaped that life. i have a daughter. but the man who raped me in telford in south wales is still living that , wales is still living that, still working there, still running the kebab houses. my life was ripped to shreds, but as barely changed. charlie peters was it difficult to get people to talk? it was the voice you just heard. there was an actor, of course, but the story behind that , his voice, you behind that, his voice, you know, she's utterly terrified of speaking to journalists because she has been struggling for
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decades with her experience . but decades with her experience. but her perpetrators that she says are still free, are still working in telford, are still working in telford, are still working in telford, are still working in south wales, and she has been left feeling unsafe for years. and so developing trust with these survivors takes a long time because they have so many reasons not to trust journalists, not to trust the establishment who've let them down for so long. one of the most difficult aspects of that from what i understand of it, is that in some of these northern towns, it has been predominantly one particular community, hasn't it the nervousness , race it? yes. the nervousness, race and ethnicity has contributed to the failure act at the time and the failure act at the time and the failure act at the time and the failure review and honestly discuss the issue now we do not approach this issue with that same nervousness . we are honest. same nervousness. we are honest. we paint facts as they are and we produce some compelling analysis on that. i believe . analysis on that. i believe. what do you hope, charlie , get what do you hope, charlie, get out of this? well we certainly need to restart a national conversation that we never had the time in 2012 when the lid blew off this scandal. but also,
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we need more than just conversation with need action now , the nca, the national crime now, the nca, the national crime agency, is still investigating rotherham where it has uncovered even more victims from the original 1500 to you up to 2000, possibly whistle blowers on the ground. it is it is true. this is truly shocking. we want more independent, national agency investigations across the country because gb news investigates has uncovered up to 50 different towns and cities where we believe there are credible reports of criminal gangs. we need to look at them seriously. we need more independent investigations, more police action, we need this independent investigations, more po|government we need this independent investigations, more po|government level, need this independent investigations, more po|government level, too,d this independent investigations, more po|government level, too, until on government level, too, until happens, possibly tens happens, thousands possibly tens of thousands, women and girls be still waiting for justice. charlie peters, brave work, brave . i look forward to seeing brave. i look forward to seeing this. well, i look to it at all, actually, but will watch it at 8:00 this saturday. thank you for coming in, giving us that preview yesterday. one of the big surprise is was that lee anderson then the conservative member of parliament, former miner ashfield up miner he represents ashfield up in nottinghamshire, has become a
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deputy chairman of the conservative party. he was lay a couple of weeks ago talking to lois perry about the british civil service . do you think that civil service. do you think that it could be argued that the civil service are blocking off spending energy independent? quite likely, yes. it's this it might. well, it's the civil service. it's the lobbyists. it's sometimes our own party which is too scared to take a side. and i'm sorry, in politics you have to take a side. that's what it's all about. this isn't interesting, then, that you're and you can see interview in full on the car 26 youtube channel. lee anderson has so much to say . well, all i can say much to say. well, all i can say i can't really predict is that if i said he's going to be as plain spoken about the civil service and much else in life as a deputy chairman, other conservative party, it is going be a wild, interesting , fun be a wild, interesting, fun ride. it might not last long, but it's going to be really great art, value and. oh, the
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what? the farage moment we learn that it's been going on for a couple of years and. we know, of course, that the church of england has virtually been taken over by marx as bishops. now we hear there is serious debate about re gendering . yes, re about re gendering. yes, re gendenng about re gendering. yes, re gendering god and they're actually considering getting rid of our father, who art in heaven. yes. we're going to have a gender neutral god, but they're not going to be the father. it'll be them or they all i can say is the church of england have let us down again and again and again this appalling archbishop welby, is it any wonder the congregations are so at the weekends ? and i are so at the weekends? and i know that it's an established church, this country and the king is at the head of it. but frankly, if they go on to go on like this, i cannot see any point to their further existence . now, in a moment on gb news on
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talking points, i'm going to be joined by daniel. i ride a he was cancelled cancelled by itv for saying something on that perhaps wasn't as funny as he intended it to be, but he's managed to salvage career and rise from the ashes. at a moment, we'll find out .
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is talking finds. i'm joined by daniel o'reilly aka dapper laughs comedian oh good talking it's good to be back and take tv. well yeah well given that you were banned i'm quite rightly now let's . not daniel rightly now let's. not daniel ever you know young comedian doing well yeah yeah building a
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reputation yeah possibly the edges a bit yeah i, i pushed yeah a lot a lot. i think it's tncky yeah a lot a lot. i think it's tricky being a comedian it's very tricky being young and immature and a comedian , you immature and a comedian, you know. i mean it's , you know, we know. i mean it's, you know, we all say we all say stupid things when we when we when we're younger to not, i mean, and then unfortunately, i was on a big platform on a big tv show and it itv so yeah made some mistakes said some silly stuff you know and luckily i've been lucky enough really that i'm media based and i've got really loyal social media following that. i know that that was you know, i've got a big following. let's just get back to that recycle. so what you said was bloomin stupid. yeah of course because pretty woman in pretty insulting to a woman in the i mean you the audience. i mean you admitted was it wrong. admitted it was it was wrong. yeah.i admitted it was it was wrong. yeah. i mean, a lot of stuff was taken out of context at the but i still said stupid stuff. yeah. it blown out of proportion. it was blown out of proportion. and some stupid and boss did say some stupid stuff. yeah. and you know looking it's , it upset
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looking on it it's, it upset a lot of people again i was lot of people but again i was young and i was trying to be controversial. i think at the time. so you get cancelled? cancelled? yeah suddenly the chance to go and do gigs around the country. yeah. it was more than that. my tv show got cancelled, 60,000 people signed a petition too. when i think back on, it's when i was one of them, i got good schooling about doing it and you could a wild ride off you know. but you know. but i've got two daughters now, so if i had a comedian say in that of stuff back then. i probably i probably too would have would have kicked off and you know but i lost a lot from it. i'm 40 so i might be at the time, but i felt it was a little bit and i lost the tv lost lost my management lost all my gigs also my money, lost my house, lost my sanity and your life. your spiralled pit. your life spiralled into a pit. yeah. mental health for yeah. and my mental health for the and i learnt a lot lessons from and i think drink drink from it and i think drink drink was, that's why i'm sober now, you drinking was very much
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you know drinking was very much part of the drinking and party culture and culture and, everything growing up and that was my coping mechanism and that got really out of control. so i used to you've gone. so now when you've, you know, we all have ups and downs in life. yeah, we all do. you but this was a pretty big down. daniel that you were going through and it's horrific. how did you manage to bottom out? was it therapy ? what bottom out? was it therapy? what was it that managed to turn you around? i think like a lot of famous people say, like tyson fury and things like that, like you, you can only sort of start making your way out once you hit rock bottom. and i became heavy into the drinks. i was suicidal one point and, you know, my father passed away. it's a very real dark time. and i just i don't know, i lost control of a lot of things in my life and i just had to get through that stage and get to work. and i think i was lucky enough really that enough knew that there wasn't real malice what i was
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doing and i managed to just pull it back. but and this is the important point about this conversation there are conversation tonight. there are limits to comedy out there 100. there are limits. and i think but it's times are changing very quick . so the limits of what you quick. so the limits of what you can say, change or change. i mean, i was one of the first to get cancelled because was i think colours like really it just as things were turning really really strict and really you know you got to be really careful of what you're saying. but the now it's even harder as a comedian to i mean, it really is. but i've learned a lot from it and. i still get it wrong sometimes now. so what can you joke about now ? politics. well joke about now? politics. well no, that's a tragicomedy yeah. yeah.i no, that's a tragicomedy yeah. yeah. i mean , can't talk about yeah. i mean, can't talk about anything. i think you just you just got to do it intelligently . and, you know, there's some comedians there that don't really care. and i mean, you've got like jemmy carr, ricky gervais, you see gervais, you never see apologising. might them apologising. you might see them cancelled because i think once you get to a certain level and
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you're a certain, certain size. yeah i wondered with ricky gervais is particularly whether perhaps we're beginning to see a little bit push back a little bit of he's too big to cancel i think i think some i think for me i was coming up i was very no i was easy to stamp out and get rid of. i didn't really have enough time to learn where the line was . i just went there was line was. i just went there was no business problem. there's no business with you about what happened ? i wouldn't say that happened? i wouldn't say that i'm quite bitter about how hard went in on on me. but. i can admit that, you know, i, i needed a telling after to sort out so myself. and luckily like i said, you know, now i'm back on, you know , i've got me on, you know, i've got me mutuals coming out next year been doing films i'm back i'm on jemmy bean is headliners on where all the best cancer is come to yeah come to perform . i come to yeah come to perform. i look like saying we all said stupid things when we're
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younger. i'm just that i'm back out and i've got the social media following and i like talking about serious stuff in my comedy. now a lot use my platform like for instance, i use my platform heavily now to talk sobriety, talk about talk about sobriety, talk about men's mental health, talk about , you know, coping mechanisms dnnk , you know, coping mechanisms drink and those have been sort of doing and i had a bit of help i mean yeah i'm never sure quite you know where we go with all this stuff, but you kind of, you know, you're saying to men it's not problem to admit you've got a problem. yeah, 100. i think , a problem. yeah, 100. i think, first of all, i was poor , i was first of all, i was poor, i was a very large lad, so i was involved a lot of that stuff and it's not a bad thing. i think when you've got a big platform and you can be two lady, my comedy me in trouble little comedy me in trouble a little bit with that. but being large lad i don't think i don't think a thing. not at all. but our a bad thing. not at all. but our culture is like very much so with the culture is with this show. the culture is talking a point. the talking over a point. the culture, call the culture, they call it the culture, they call it the culture with men is really only time i get together and talk is
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when and the problem when i drink. and the problem sometimes is when sometimes in that can be is when i to open up or when i've i want to open up or when i've got problems associated the alcohol becomes and got problems associated the alccdrugs becomes and got problems associated the alccdrugs become becomes and got problems associated the alccdrugs become abecomes and got problems associated the alccdrugs become a coping s and the drugs become a coping mechanism. we're saying goes, well, talking well, no drugs on talking points. oh, yeah, points. promise you. oh, yeah, that's not what you said before to show. but no. and look what i'm doing right now, because i know i've got a massive, large audience. i've created a podcast called to supply. so called menace to supply. so anyone out there is struggling with things i've got an with the things i've got an unhealthy with unhealthy relationship with dnnk i unhealthy relationship with drink i talk about how drink or drugs. i talk about how iused drink or drugs. i talk about how i used it to cope and stuff like that, and think it's important that, and i think it's important for understand that for men to understand that drinking casually, like you are sociable is fantastic. but if you've got problems in your life and turn that that's and you turn into that or that's making it then then you making it worse, then then you can can re—evaluate your can you can re—evaluate your relationship. and there's a life outside i'm just outside alcohol. and i'm just trying to give back a little bit. i believe in karma and i think now that things have gone for me again, instead of just taking reaping rewards from for me again, instead of just takisocial ping rewards from for me again, instead of just takisocial media rewards from for me again, instead of just takisocial media and wards from for me again, instead of just takisocial media and theis from for me again, instead of just takisocial media and the films] my social media and the films and stuff, it's and stuff, i think it's important to give back and try and the people there. yeah and help the people there. yeah
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that interesting it. that it is interesting isn't it. i andrew tate built this i mean andrew tate built this massive block following and know he was like, look, let lads be. yeah, yeah, let men be men up to a point quite a lot . what he a point quite a lot. what he said made sense. yeah and then we stepped clear into territory . he wasn't even joking. yeah you know, this was open. he called himself a misogynist , called himself a misogynist, etc. and now, well, goodness knows what, will happen to him in the future. but we mustn't all, all of a sudden he died. he was completely eradicate the of boys being boys do it now i we need to educate boys educate men and i think you know banter and manliness , having mates and manliness, having mates and being together it's important i think he's sorely lacked as well. men not enough men of men around them. not enough men have good role models. but the good male role models. but the problem and problem is with myself and someone well as someone like andrew as well as once said stupid in the once you said stupid in the past, it's difficult . past, it's very difficult. you've been forgiven . oh, i feel you've been forgiven. oh, i feel like it now . i feel like i feel like it now. i feel like i feel like it now. i feel like i feel like people are a little bit
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more open to me because i've grown up and i've got children, i'm positive things. i'm i'm doing positive things. i'm starting get lot more starting get a lot more opportunities. happening now. so you're tour. off you're off on tour. i'm off until next year. you're off on tour. i'm off until next year . let's get until next year. let's get cancelled. i'll get a call. let's see. i'll be back on his side again. i'm off until next yeah side again. i'm off until next year. i've got big films coming out, you know, i've been making films that are going well and producing film films coming out. social media's got them well. i'm gigs on gb news, i'm i'm getting gigs on gb news, i'm happy and i'm keeping it cool. and the tour is this sort of theatres is where do you do your itook theatres is where do you do your i took last year i was at the o2 i took last year i was at the 02 actually. yeah yeah. not on the truck. see before that but i'm not sure on the dates and stuff. i got a proper promoter working with now, which is nice. it's refreshing to that again. and yeah, we'd be doing a big tour next year, so and i just want to be a little intelligent and be a little more intelligent and i use the comedy use i want to use the comedy and use the talk about stuff the platform to talk about stuff tonight. i mean, this tonight. i mean, like this stuff. a comedian, who do stuff. so as a comedian, who do you to in company you look to in the company world? i definitely look up to
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ricky because i think ricky gervais because i think he's got a beautiful way of being also making being offensive, but also making people feel stupid for finding it. offensive. i think you can be really with with the way that you deliver comedy. i definitely wasn't day. i just wasn't back in the day. i just sort say how is. but he sort say how it is. but he really tackles some important issues that the people it's very difficult to joke about stuff the life there's a lot of subjects a lot of things that are going on at the moment, like for instance, you know, this transgender staff, gender stuff, all of this stuff is very scary. got two daughters. i'm always watching stuff and very concerned about men identify as women wandering into women's toilets and in your transphobe colleagues that clearly got it got it. he's going to be cancelled again this but the thing is you know you now my views on things are very because i've got daughters and now when i've got daughters and now when i try and talk about these things in a confession, it's like you're in a minefield, you know, and it's very difficult. but i think someone like ricky device negotiate that
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device manages to negotiate that perfectly. up to perfectly. so i look up to people are with a way to people that are with a way to put serious points across television. i mean, you know, seventies eighties used to seventies and eighties used to do comedy in a huge way , was a do comedy in a huge way, was a big of itv. saturday nights big part of itv. saturday nights and all the rest of it. where's it gone is almost like it's comedy that will be sort of underground. it's mad, isn't it? yeah.i underground. it's mad, isn't it? yeah. i mean, you know, you have to search stand up comedy and you have to they have them like big shows and big saturday night shows comedies gone? shows were comedies gone? i think too scared, be think it was too scared, to be honest but i think we honest with you, but i think we definitely of it. we definitely need more of it. we need more of that game show, that comedy game, show stuff. you lot of barrymore you know, a lot of barrymore stuff. not barrymore, but. stuff. maybe not barrymore, but. well, i you you got. yeah, you may have a problem. whoever you talk about, what do you see the country today? because a lot of the things comedians do is observe. yeah we're not that happy at the minute oh, the country is an absolute mess. i think i'm very in tune with real working class people . you know, working class people. you know, my friends are working class
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lads. my friends are working class lads . i've got a my friends are working class lads. i've got a big my friends are working class lads . i've got a big group. lads. i've got a big group. we've got like wolfpack group. we're all all larger in we're all all the larger in there talking and we talk every day about the state the day about the state of the economy, state of the i'll economy, the state of the i'll tell how feel at the tell you how people feel at the moment. the government the government doesn't care you know, you've got the working class people. you've got the nurses , you've got everyone gone nurses, you've got everyone gone on strike. the government don't care about and the government care about and the government care about and the government care about stupid folks , you care about stupid folks, you know, stupid things and not the average everyday worker. they're struggling out there. they got no money and can tell you, you know daniel? as know what, daniel? you can be as rude and offensive about politicians you like . no politicians as you like. no one's going to counsel you right in this moment in time. yeah, you're right. you're right. it's. don't . people are happy, it's. i don't. people are happy, to and i don't know to be honest, and i don't know why. maybe go on why. well, maybe you can go on tour them up. daniel, thank tour and them up. daniel, thank you fly—tipping you forjoining me. fly—tipping on chased . on chased. i've got few seconds left with
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you and yes, that means time for barrage. the barrage . you've barrage. the barrage. you've sent your questions in i've now idea what they are. here goes and asks me . what do you think and asks me. what do you think about your making false ? he about your making false? he towers. well, i tell you what i mean. fawlty towers is also a genius, even though they've to edit one or two of the lines from the major. so we hear overnight. yes. john cleese, who is coming to gb news. i'm going to produce a series of regular shows, the interviews. he's going to do a remake of fawlty towers with daughter. now, my view, i'd be very keen to see actually what daniel thinks the sack. but my view is very you know, you try to remake dad's army, you try to remake reggie perrin it's a bloomin disaster and yeah , john cleese is so and yeah, john cleese is so clever, he might just it work. fawlty towers rated the best ever sitcom comedy sitcom . what ever sitcom comedy sitcom. what do you think ? yeah, no vaseline. do you think? yeah, no vaseline. no not your favourite. not my
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favourite . and if cleese tries favourite. and if cleese tries to redo it again , can he make it to redo it again, can he make it to redo it again, can he make it to a job? he does a betterjob this time round. yeah all good lord. yeah, they're very odd. some of these people. nest egg squad. so for another one. very, very quickly, viewer asks, do you think sunak appointment of lee anderson as deputy chair is an attempt to get him in line and , either he's got asylum and well, either he's got asylum ace lee or he's saying to them, you don't need to support. richard ties his reform uk because we've got in place either way i see lee anderson as a free spirit you know working class says what he thinks whereas heart on his sleeve and let's see how long he survives as deputy chair of the conservative party. i don't think it'll be very long i'm done. i'll be live in luton tomorrow night. big audience please tune in for now it's mark downham . nigel, thanks for downham. nigel, thanks for another brilliant show britain will avoid recession this year.
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so are the experts once again wrong about brexit. britain that plus my big opinion the church of england's gone woke find out more shortly . hello again. it's more shortly. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. the wet and windy weather we've seen across north—west scotland clear south over the next 24. i was followed by further showers in the north but clear spells in the south. higher pressure remains to the south. this cold front is an active feature . some heavy rain active feature. some heavy rain and strong winds for a time it clear scotland and northern ireland, but when it sinks into southern of the uk, it weakens considerably and in fact no more than an area of cloud and some drizzle by the time it reaches central parts . ahead of that, central parts. ahead of that, a touch of frost in the southeast and to the real effects as well, and to the real effects as well, a frost forming north wales and northern england. for northern england. but for scotland northern it scotland, northern ireland it remains we'll see remains blustery. we'll see further wintry showers pushing rain hail at low levels . rain and hail at low levels. snow for the hills, particularly northern scotland. another few centimetres example and some icy patches to watch out for. first
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thing, thursday . now the thing, thursday. now the strongest of the winds , the strongest of the winds, the heaviest showers ease during thursday afternoon and actually central belt southwards. it's mostly dry . the best of any mostly dry. the best of any sunshine developing in the south. by the afternoon, nine or ten celsius here, 7 to 8 further north. then into thursday evening, we're to see further showery affecting western scotland . this time it's light scotland. this time it's light and patchy and we've got thicker cloud rolling in further south a lot of high cloud but still enough clear spells lead to a fairly widespread frost one or two celsius typical in main urban centres, but in rural parts i think then a few degrees below freezing , a bright start below freezing, a bright start nevertheless england and wales first thing friday a cloudy start for scotland to northern ireland and damp for western hills of scotland with the most heavy, persistent rainfall affecting north west highlands . affecting north west highlands. it's mild, though, the winds coming from the southwest. so
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temperatures widely in the double figures on friday and as we head into the weekend, a lot of around, mostly damp of cloud around, mostly damp towards north—west, drier towards the north—west, drier elsewhere , but mild
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it's 8:00 and this is mark dolan with you for the next two nights between now and nine. in my big opinion, god goes gender neutral and church of england loses the plot. more on that shortly as a think tank predicts will avoid recession this year. all the experts once again wrong about brexit britain. we'll talk to a top for the truth about our economy. the supreme court has ruled that the northern ireland protocol , which divides ruled that the northern ireland protocol, which divides our country down the irish sea, is

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