channel good afternoon everybody. it's just gone. 3 pm, you're with me. patrick christys on gb news now coming up, may. putin has warned about bloodshed and military consequences for the entire globe after rishi sunak's love him with zelenskyy yesterday and talk fighter jets being provided to ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy is currently on european tour trying to get more support , i will be going more support, i will be going live to ukraine's region to see how people there are reacting to news of britain's support and frankly, putin's of world war three. also this hour , shall we three. also this hour, shall we bnng three. also this hour, shall we bring up the death penalty .7 new bring up the death penalty? new tory deputy charlie anderson is in favour of it. rishi sunak has distanced himself. lee's logic is this nobody has ever

committed a crime after being executed well. technically not wrong there. but should we do it anyway? i'm asking what crimes do think deserve the penalty, if any? what crimes ? any? what crimes? schoolchildren, even at christian schools, hoping forced to take part in gay pride events. that's the allegation from . one mother, one nomination from. one mother, one nomination as well for children's book of the year is even about a sexually confused girl and includes a diagram supposedly of her willy. you her imaginary willy. you couldn't make it up. you just could. i'll also be revealing britain's worst town. what do you is? one clue, you think it is? one clue, though. it's not up north. victory the north of england victory for the north of england fantastic. get touch. email fantastic. get in touch. email me gb views gb news dot uk . what me gb views gb news dot uk. what do you mean? what? the death penalty. the penalty. what crimes deserve the death penalty . if you will bring death penalty. if you will bring it back. gb views. gb don't it back. gb views. gb news don't uk now it's your uk but right now it's your headunes. uk but right now it's your headlines . good it's 3:01. i'm headlines. good it's 3:01. i'm rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom. the number of people

that have after monday's earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria has reached 18,000 . around seven members of 18,000. around seven members of uk search and rescue, including fire fighters and medics have in turkey to help hundreds of thousands of people have been left homeless. the world health fears. many more may die without shelter water or heat and freezing temperatures . british freezing temperatures. british charities are launching an appeal today to raise funds for those affected. the government says it will match any donations by the public volodymyr zelenskyy addressed an eu summit in brussels. he's lobbying leaders to provide more weapons to in the fight against russia , to in the fight against russia, which he's referred to as biggest anti european force of the modern world. number says it won't send fighter jets to ukraine if . won't send fighter jets to ukraine if. it won't send fighter jets to ukraine if . it puts the won't send fighter jets to ukraine if. it puts the uk's safety risk. the foreign and defence secretaries are in rome meeting their italian counterparts to discuss

galvanising support for the country . police says the search country. police says the search for a missing mother of two, nicola birley has moved towards the coast . the force says the coast. the force says they're now searching further downstream where the river wyre becomes tidal officers have also issued 48 hour dispersal order for st michael's on wyre after an abandoned house was reportedly searched by members of the public who then posted footage on social media. the 45 year old was last seen 13 days ago walking . her dog along the ago walking. her dog along the river, wyre wyre , a serving river, wyre wyre, a serving metropolitan police officer, has been charged with rape. pc jordan pascoe was charged by essex police in connection with an allegation of rape. the charge to an alleged incident in 2009. he joined force in 2012. he is attached to met task force anti violent crime unit. he's since been suspended from duty

and will appear in court in march . a former labour mp has march. a former labour mp has been jailed four years after being found guilty of fraud committed whilst office. jared o'mara been convicted of six counts of fraud after , trying to counts of fraud after, trying to claim around counts of fraud after, trying to claim aroun d £52,000 worth of claim around £52,000 worth of taxpayers to fund a cocaine . the taxpayers to fund a cocaine. the 41 year old who is an mp between 17 and 2019, was cleared of two other charges by a jury at leeds court. earlier, the judge called the crime deliberate and dishonest , saying he abused the crime deliberate and dishonest, saying he abused his position as an mp at the church of general synod will now give blessings to same sex couples in civil partnerships . and the civil partnerships. and the approved allow same sex couples to attend services at anglican , to attend services at anglican, including receiving god's after a legal marriage ceremony. in a

joint statement, the of canterbury and york said it had been a long road get to this point. the position gay marriage though hasn't changed. same sex couples still aren't allowed to marry church universities , staff marry church universities, staff and physiotherapists striking today around 70,000 university and college union members have walked off the job across 150 university days. meanwhile chartered society of physiotherapy striking at 33 trusts in england. it's accused the government of being uncompromising and refusing to discuss pay the current financial year. discuss pay the current financial year . the prime says financial year. the prime says he doesn't back return of the death penalty . it's after the death penalty. it's after the new tory deputy lee anderson said he'd in favour of such a move . in an interview with the move. in an interview with the spectator said nobody's ever committed a crime after being executed . those are his words. executed. those are his words. the former councillor who converted to tories was handed

his new on tuesday amid a cabinet . the death penalty cabinet. the death penalty murder in the uk was scrapped in 1969. it completely abolished for all crimes. in 1998 to ambulances across england have improved their response times for reaching people . call 999 for reaching people. call 999 under england data shows crews reached emergencies as heart attacks and strokes . one hour attacks and strokes. one hour quicker than last month, one hour quicker last month, apologies than in december, they took just over 32 minutes on average, compared with more than the month before , said the the month before, said the response is still well above the target of 18 minutes. and the prince and princess wales have been visiting cornwall . william been visiting cornwall. william and kate's greeted by members of the public in the harbour town of falmouth . it's their first of falmouth. it's their first official joint trip to the counties since taking on their new roles as duke and duchess of

cornwall. the royal couple are there to learn the area's naval heritage , which this is gb news heritage, which this is gb news and bring you more as happens. but now it's back. patrick loves to talk about satellites and jasmine although the start of world war iii might be a good place to start. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy has been in brussels today appealing support from appealing for more support from eu he's in a speech eu countries. he's in a speech to european council. he told to the european council. he told meps his troops would meps that his troops would defend a historic battle defend you in a historic battle with russia. during yesterday's visit to the uk, his first since the russian invasion , zelenskyy the russian invasion, zelenskyy renewed calls for support. registered on did that nothing is off the table when it comes to the sending of fighter jets but that the first step will be to train the ukrainian pilots. there is, of course, the time lag on that and people are

confused to exactly when that confused as to exactly when that will actually come into force and we might to do in and what we might have to do in the defence secretary the meantime. defence secretary ben also spoke out, ben wallace also spoke out, confirming be confirming there will be no immediate transfer of uk fighter jets to ukraine. russia obviously have lashed out at the ukrainian , calling his visit to ukrainian, calling his visit to the uk to ask for more support against putin's regime. pompous putin suggested that a strong response if the uk sends jets he bloodshed and indeed also global conflict. but to be fair, he has been saying that for quite a long time. shortly i will cross live to speak to a ukrainian mp over that. the reaction , the over that. the reaction, the ground. but first, a political catherine forster is in westminster with the latest. catherine. thank you very much. a slight, slight row back on the rhetoric. i suspect . ben rhetoric. i suspect. ben wallace, richard sunak yesterday while nothing is off the table, although no firm promises zelenskyy himself thanking is in advance for fighter jets, ben wallace now appearing to say, oh, hold your horses . yes hold oh, hold your horses. yes hold

your horses . oh, hold your horses. yes hold your horses. came oh, hold your horses. yes hold your horses . came here yesterday your horses. came here yesterday thanking us, making a very rousing speech , uniting rousing speech, uniting parliament behind him, basically saying , though, give us your saying, though, give us your jets. now boris johnson also saying, give us jets. it's not up to boris johnson. saying, give us jets. it's not up to borisjohnson. it's saying, give us jets. it's not up to boris johnson. it's up to rishi sunak. and today we're heanng rishi sunak. and today we're hearing from ben wallace , hearing from ben wallace, defence secretary, who has been asked to look into the possibility sending jets. that's britain has made no commitment to sending jets at this stage andindeed to sending jets at this stage and indeed we may not. what we have said is that we are going to train from the spring ukrainian pilots to be able to use standard jets . we're the use standard jets. we're the first country that's going to be doing that. so we're going to be doing that. so we're going to be doing that. so we're going to be doing that shortly . but whether doing that shortly. but whether any jets will be sent or not is deeply , deeply unclear. and deeply, deeply unclear. and indeed the defence secretary, who's been a joint press conference , italy, has basically conference, italy, has basically that they're going to start

training to improve the resilience of ukraine, probably post conflict and suggesting that the pilots might not be trained until after the conflict is finished. of course that nobody knows how long it's going to last . in nobody knows how long it's going to last. in the meantime, number have said that they are very aware of the escalatory risk but that they would never anything that they would never anything that would put uk safety at risk. and meanwhile russia have been making all sorts of ominous noises . as you say, the russian noises. as you say, the russian embassy had said that russia will know how to respond to any unfriendly actions on behalf of the british side . yes, indeed the british side. yes, indeed and today as well, all them messalonskee continuing his tour , he's saying, isn't he, to european leaders, look, we are actually the first line of defence between you and putin. if putin desire to keep rolling straight to ukraine on have whilst he's at it, do we

straight to ukraine on have whilst he's at it , do we know whilst he's at it, do we know anything about what the response has been like that to him we have led the way and they are making positive noises to but certainly i don't think any of them are going to say yes, yes, we're going to give you jets now either going back just a few weeks to the case of the tanks , weeks to the case of the tanks, that took a lot of negotiation. we were the first country to say, yes, we're going to send them. there was then quite a delay before germany eventually sort of had its hand forced base on america. and germany said they would, too. so i'd be a amazed if they go ahead and pledge these planes any time very soon. and of there's all sorts of logistical difficulties even if we wanted to send the typhoon fighters they are jointly made along with germany, spain and italy we don't even have it in our gift but this huge complex cities and problems with the sending fighter jets to

ukraine so is very powerful in his speaking the front pages are all about send the planes but of course things are nowhere as simple as that. yeah, they are indeed.thank simple as that. yeah, they are indeed. thank you very much. catherine catherine forster, political mean, political reporter. i mean, i've got front here in got the front pages here in front me. i'm sure you've had front of me. i'm sure you've had time them. if not 3:12 in time to see them. if not 3:12 in the afternoon. where have you been? come on. but yeah, it's all about the jets and or not, we should be sending them to ukraine. we did a lot on that yesterday. we're obviously going to it to keep touching on it throughout show throughout the course. the show today, putin what it's today, vladimir putin what it's worth said worth is basically said because of bloodshed there'll of the bloodshed there'll be bloodshed of bloodshed, the next round of escalation, subsequent military and ramifications the and political ramifications, the european continent and the entire globe and all of that would be on london's conscience if we fighter jets over to zelenskyy. but yes, like i said, we a lot about that yesterday it was very much mixed bag. very much a mixed i on much a mixed bag, i think, on social media well. from what social media as well. from what i can gather about where people stand on this, of how we go stand on this, of how far we go to ukraine. so i'm conscious to arm ukraine. so i'm conscious

of that spoke a lot of the fact that we spoke a lot about in the previous show. about that in the previous show. i'll just move on really, because the other big story today death penalty today is about the death penalty just rear, its head just under the rear, its head about a year. lee anderson about once a year. lee anderson now chair of the tory now the deputy chair of the tory party, speaking the party, he's been speaking the fact back in favour of fact that he's back in favour of it, his i think is fascinating, by the way. he just say that, well, one's on to commit well, no one's on to commit a crime once they've killed. crime once they've been killed. it actually very difficult it is actually very difficult argue that, although argue with that, although of course merits of or course the merits of whether or not should have killed them not we should have killed them in first place a big one. in the first place is a big one. i've asking you throughout i've been asking you throughout the show so far. the course of this show so far. do you support the death penalty? okay you do what penalty? okay and if you do what crimes, you think would crimes, do you think would warrant and is warrant the death penalty and is gbviews@gbnews.uk clearly gbviews@gbnews.uk quite clearly the in me at the the one's coming in to me at the moment around things moment all around things like child but child abuse and, murder. but we'll into the we'll get stuck into the specifics of that in a minute. just a little bit. a context for you as well. i've got the latest polling data it comes to polling data when it comes to the in the i wonder the death in the uk i wonder what you reckon is. survey what you reckon it is. so survey is from yougov is it 54% of is from from yougov is it 54% of people in britain support the death penalty for terrorists . so

death penalty for terrorists. so 54% of people support the death penalty for terrorism. 40% for zero. i support death penalty just as a whole. okay but crucially and it's 10% of people are unsure. so some swing voters out there for now, of course thatis out there for now, of course that is the big story of this afternoon. and the prime minister, rishi sunak's , minister, rishi sunak's, distanced himself from . lee distanced himself from. lee anderson lee anderson did the return of the death penalty. i'm just going to play you a little clip now. what rishi sunak actually had to say. well, that's not view. that's not that's not my view. that's not the view. but are the government view. but we are unhedin the government view. but we are united in the conservative party in wanting be absolutely in in wanting to be absolutely in beanng in wanting to be absolutely in bearing on and making sure bearing down on and making sure people are and feel safe. that's why we tightened up sentencing for the most violent criminals so they spend in prison. it's why on our way to having 20,000 more police officers on our streets and we're giving those police officers powers to tackle crime, whether it's stop and search or just this week . in search or just this week. in parliament, we're giving police officers the power to tackle violent extremist protesters. that's because want to make sure

people are safe , feel safe. and people are safe, feel safe. and that's what we're delivering. yeah, indeed well, some more info for you . the cost of what info for you. the cost of what it costs to keep somebody in prison every single year is around prison every single year is aroun d £48,000 a year per around £48,000 a year per prisoner. roughly those are the latest figures. it can be a bit of a sliding scale, crucially, depending on level of security that they've got what prison they're not. but roughly speaking, about they're not. but roughly speaking, it's abou they're not. but roughly speakingifit's abou they're not. but roughly speakingif younbou they're not. but roughly speakingif you imagine that year. so if you imagine that someone's a life tariff, someone's a whole life tariff, someone's a whole life tariff, someone cousins for someone a wayne cousins for example, day example, never see light of day again rightly so . 48 grand again and rightly so. 48 grand a yean again and rightly so. 48 grand a year, minimum to keep that particular chap in prison. a lot of people are saying, well why don't we just, you know, get rid of him, okay. but obviously, other people saying, well, what about miscarriages about the miscarriages of justice there been justice that there have been what idea as well that what about the idea as well that it easy way out for it might be an easy way out for someone who's an evil, twisted weirdo, they actually weirdo, they might actually relish the opportunity to have that cut short. so that misery cut short. so i think it's important with as well, though, isn't it, to hear about families victims? about the families of victims? what they particularly what would they particularly

want ? just a little bit of a want? just a little bit of a break down before i go into the inbox. well, about the number of people who actually support, as it stands, about it stands, bringing about the death of lee death penalty. light of lee anderson conservative anderson comments, conservative are more likely are supposedly much more likely to support the death penalty. 58% support the 58% of tory voters support the death penalty. labour 23% support it. and britain's aged over 65 are more than twice as likely than those aged between 18 and 24 to bring about the death penalty. so 4% to 22% that just in the box now i've been asking you if you do want to about the death penalty, what crimes would you bring it back for? and linda's been on. linda says terrorists get the death penalty. taxpayers penalty. it would save taxpayers a money observation , a lot of money and observation, stress. linda, there, stress. yes, linda, there, i think basically saying, well, stress. yes, linda, there, i thinionasically saying, well, stress. yes, linda, there, i thinion earthy saying, well, stress. yes, linda, there, i thinion earth shouldng, well, stress. yes, linda, there, i thinion earth should we well, stress. yes, linda, there, i thinion earth should we keep why on earth should we keep these people alive? i suppose some people might back that under quite under and say, well done, quite few terrorists to die few terrorists want to die anyway. you to them anyway. so do you want to them that and steve has that satisfaction and steve has said on the death said my position on the death penalty has never changed murder. thinks murder. he thinks rape, paedophilia terrorism they paedophilia and terrorism they should death should all carry the death

penalty. that's where we penalty. well that's where we are in terms of that i'm going to be having a big debate on this, a massive debate on this. that's just after half past. and i'm going to be asking this throughout of the throughout the course of the show, think is, show, because i think it is, frankly, massive, massive frankly, a massive, massive topic. worthy of topic. and it is worthy of discussion. interesting university distanced university sunak has distanced itself away from lee anderson, though, isn't it? keep your views coming in. gb views. gb news reality in this news uk. the reality in this country moment we had country the moment is if we had a referendum on death penalty, it split it would be very, very split would be about 5050. so that we go we're moving away from that right, though. are we going to return it? i'm going to go abroad, actually, because more than 19,000 people have now, sadly killed by the devastating earthquake turkey and syria. on monday . i will bring you the monday. i will bring you the latest on that next as well as our debate. i'll be back in a sec. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. bright blue skies for many this afternoon, many of us this afternoon, having cleared the earlier cloud and in the south. but in and drizzle in the south. but in the far north here we've got strong winds and some heavy

showers. those showers ease in the north of scotland through the north of scotland through the rest of the day. the next weather front approaching. that's actually going to bring milder, albeit cloudier weather as we head into the weekend but for the time being, cloud clearing the south, bright blue skies , a time across england, skies, a time across england, wales and clear spells wales and then clear spells overnight, a lot of overnight, though, a lot of temperatures fall away in the south. meanwhile northern england, scotland , england, north wales, scotland, northern lot more northern ireland, a lot more cloud . some outbreaks cloud here. some outbreaks of rain focussed western rain mainly focussed western scotland, of northern scotland, parts of northern ireland and a keen breeze keeping temperatures up the keeping temperatures up in the mid—single so mid—single figures. so frost free but in the free in the north but in the south widely zero and as low as minus seven celsius in some sheltered spots . we start friday sheltered spots. we start friday so another cold starts across southern parts of the uk , but a southern parts of the uk, but a bright start and keep the sunny spells in the southeast during the afternoon. but elsewhere a lot of cloud arrives . that cloud lot of cloud arrives. that cloud thick enough to give us a few spots of rain. exmoor the welsh nonh spots of rain. exmoor the welsh north west england. but most persistent rain will be across western. some cloud breaking up for scotland. that's where the

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channel alright, ladies and gentlemen. yes am actually going to go live now to ukraine. i'm going to go to where i can speak to ukraine.

mp alexi contractor alexi, thank you very much. great to have you on the show now . zelenskyy was on the show now. zelenskyy was here yesterday . he was asking here yesterday. he was asking for fighter jets at the moment we've just said we're going to give you some training to be able to fly those fighter jets . able to fly those fighter jets. how do you feel about that ? how do you feel about that? patrick had nice to see you. thank you for. your invitation think that was a very important visit and that was very symbolic in that london was number one the visit to washington and it shows it reflects there and they importance of the united kingdom and support to ukraine and the second visit of the presidency minsk after february 24 striking a blow to the fighter jets . it's a blow to the fighter jets. it's so great to start with the training because without training because without training prior to jets for us is just a piece of metal and. it should be train and not good service. it's not tanks, it's the most complicated weaponry

possible. it's fighter jets , not possible. it's fighterjets, not only pilots, but also technical crew needs training . before crew needs training. before ukraine would really have a possibility to use them . so possibility to use them. so that's great that . again, the that's great that. again, the united kingdom shows leadership . and first to ukraine and pilots will start to train on the western jets in the united kingdom . big thanks to united kingdom. big thanks to united people and uk government . kingdom. big thanks to united people and uk government. i think quantum few people here in the uk are scared that vladimir putin might be very, very angry about all of this and it might start world war three. what would you say to those people of all europe, putin if you care about what likes or not, he will go and take london and there is a london problem . the russian a london problem. the russian language you heard and he wants to take everything . so the first to take everything. so the first thing with a bullet . putin it's thing with a bullet. putin it's don't be scared. don't be scared

. don't be afraid. that the worst possible way . secondly, he worst possible way. secondly, he already used in everything he has against and the quicker we will this war, it will get better for everybody if we would have fighter jets and pincers have fighterjets and pincers i long—range missiles at the beginning we would finish this war long long ago in the for benefit of everybody on the planet so the only way to escalate in is to prove to this war this is a real way to escalation it's something we should and prevent. also i want to remind these people who are telling this the united and the united states, i guarantee peace for ukraine of our sovereignty . for ukraine of our sovereignty. we voluntarily gave up nuclear weaponry 30 years ago. the third largest nuclear in the world under the guarantee of the united states and the united kingdom . can i think it's kingdom. can i think it's impossible to say that the word of this two so respected country with nothing so i very thankful

for their whole support to our receiving. but also i want to remind this is a part of guarantees were given to ukraine 1994. can i ask the mood like where you are in at the moment? what are feeling over there? because there are rumours out there that as the weather gets better, as winter that vladimir putin might make some gains. what's the what's the feeling like putin already started a new offensive some days ago and on donbas it's very heavy fighting i was just came i was several kilometres from grozny with our troops and i can tell russia is attacking no not somewhere in future . they're doing it now. future. they're doing it now. and for these they use the only advantage they have in power because first of all, they have a lot of people. so russia is bigger than ukrainian population . and secondly they don't care

about people at. so they're they're they're dying in thousands on fields and they don't care and they go ahead the hand they use, they took people prisons they do convicted people . they're mobilising. they tried to use indigenous people in russia . and that's the only russia. and that's the only advantage russia has. and they tried use it to these advantage. and most just sorry , very, very and most just sorry, very, very funny. very quickly, alexei , funny. very quickly, alexei, want to ask you this one. do you think that ukraine will ever ask for british troops to go over there to fight ? we are not there to fight? we are not asking for troops and never we asking for troops and never we ask to we don't ask boots on the ground. we're saying it from the from the beginning. we can do everything ourselves . but for everything ourselves. but for this, we need weaponry . alexi, this, we need weaponry. alexi, thank you very much. always a pleasure to talk to you and take care over as well. good to see you again. on your uncle you again. alexi on your uncle who a ukrainian, he's in who is a ukrainian, he's in donbas. the scene of donbas. that is the scene of current fighting . i'm just current heavy fighting. i'm just going to give you a bit of an

update on, well, frankly, that absolutely story. absolutely catastrophic story. of that massive of course, it's that massive earthquake in turkey and in syria, more than 19,000 people have been killed that have now been killed by that devastate since it devastate since earthquake it hit turkey and, syria monday hit turkey and, syria on monday in syria the situation is being described as a crisis within a crisis as syria is controlled by rebel groups and reports indicate that aid is flowing less the region than less easily into the region than other affected areas . for people other affected areas. for people listening on radio , playing some listening on radio, playing some clips now of drone footage from above turkey on it is an absolute warzone. everything appears there in that region has been levelled. the uk government announced more supplies for both countries to help survivors cope with . the cold winter weather with. the cold winter weather with. the cold winter weather with now is home blind . julia with now is home blind. julia wright, who is emergency response manager for syria . response manager for syria. thank you very, very much . so thank you very, very much. so the situation over there is absolutely catastrophic . what absolutely catastrophic. what are you seeing? what are you heanng are you seeing? what are you hearing hearing ? well, as you hearing hearing? well, as you said, it's a humanitarian

disaster which is having a devastating impact on populations that were already extremely vulnerable . the death extremely vulnerable. the death toll keeps increasing , as you toll keeps increasing, as you are saying. and we know also that that the number of the chance to find survivors the very same people are still trapped in collapse. buildings it's a race time . it's extremely it's a race time. it's extremely difficult. people are afraid to go home because they're afraid that the weakened houses may be collapsed people still sleeping outside in the streets when collective shelters . it's the collective shelters. it's the situation is it's extremely catastrophic we don't know the full say the full scale of devastation but we know it's dramatic. yes, indeed. and unfortunately , death toll has unfortunately, death toll has risen within last hour or so to 19,000, is expected to rise even more , isn't it? what can people more, isn't it? what can people do ? can people get in touch with do? can people get in touch with groups like yourselves? i mean,

can they just donate money, clothes? i don't know what. can happen. clothes? i don't know what. can happen . yes. i mean, it's a 600 happen. yes. i mean, it's a 600 border to support local that are on the ground and they've been supporting from the beginning they've been they've been helping with efforts providing shelter, food and so on. our local partners , the ground. it's local partners, the ground. it's really important that we mobilise resources to support these organisations and the dc has launched an appeal. so can donate for that . absolutely. i'm donate for that. absolutely. i'm just going to people the name now it's the catholic agency for overseas development that's the agency for overseas and i'm sure that people will be having a look on website to try and get in search of the back of this look. thank you very, very much. it's been great chat to you although of course under very, very bleak circumstances, i believe in deliberate. who is emergency response for emergency response manager for syria group syria for that particular group right. to come here, right. just still to come here,

i'm to be tackling quite i'm going to be tackling quite a few topics knife crime few hefty topics knife crime massively on the rise year massively on the rise 79 year high. but stats when you high. but the stats when you really down it are really drill down into it are catastrophic because they're getting younger and younger now that people are getting even, a shocking rise in the number of 12 olds carrying and 12 year olds carrying knives and crucially them whilst crucially using them whilst earth on there, we are earth is going on there, we are always going to be talking about always going to be talking about a schoolchildren, a parallel. some schoolchildren, even christian schools, by even those christian schools, by the way, all forced to take part . gay pride events at schools. now, some people will say nothing wrong with that. what's wrong with that? it's just progressive. it'sjust wrong with that? it's just progressive. it's just not true. okay but other people would say, well, kids and maybe their well, that kids and maybe their parents, they certain parents, if they have certain religious convictions just religious convictions or just whatever, should be at whatever, i suppose should be at least them out of least able to pull them out of those kind of things they want to supposedly that's not happening. you of happening. what do you make of that? bit too much for that? is it a bit too much for kids? i know. a mixed, kids? i don't know. a mixed, mixed of views on that. mixed range of views on that. but a couple of million books because we're going to be having a i back off a debate. i come back off the news the death penalty, news about the death penalty, lay tories new lay lee anderson the tories new deputy the box

deputy barnstorming the box office for the tory. well, people saying that he is people are saying that he is right in boxes. you want right in the in boxes. you want to death penalty. to bring back the death penalty. it be brought about it should be brought about but only option not for only as an option not for specific crimes also as well. just a quick one here. samantha has interesting that has made the interesting that not will deserve not all murderers will deserve the made the the death penalty. she made the link someone who's link here between someone who's maybe been abused for years, suddenly snaps, etc. will suddenly snaps, etc. they will be but be dumped for murder. but certainly i don't think many people them to people would want them to have the penalty. it's the death penalty. it's a nuanced topic. be debating the death penalty. it's a nlwheni topic. be debating the death penalty. it's a nlwhen we )ic. be debating the death penalty. it's a nlwhen we back. be debating the death penalty. it's a nlwhen we back. do be debating the death penalty. it's a nlwhen we back. do youiebating the death penalty. it's a nlwhen we back. do you wantng the death penalty. it's a nlwhen we back. do you want the it when we back. do you want the death back? and for what death penalty back? and for what crimes? uk, crimes? gbviews@gbnews.uk uk, all way all of that coming your way much, more. but i'm going much, much more. but i'm going to wish you have now for latest headunes to wish you have now for latest headlines with the wonderful times . good afternoon . 333 i'm times. good afternoon. 333 i'm rhiannon jones and the gb newsroom more than 19,000 people are now known to have died after monday's earthquakes in. southern turkey and northern syria. around 70 members of uk

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welcome back, everybody. now a legal case is being heard over the right of school school pupils not to take part in pride parades . a christian mother in parades. a christian mother in south london has taken her son's school to court after they told him that he could not opt out of taking in the celebration. despite the family's religious beliefs. well, our national reporter paul hawkins is outside the royal courts of justice right now. paul, what's going on? so this is day seven of an eight day hearing. that's

brought by a mum from south london is yvonne argue against her four year old son's school her four year old son's school he was farm primary. her four year old son's school he was farm primary . and he was farm primary. and essentially what happened if we go back to june 2018, the school ianed go back to june 2018, the school invited the parents, sent them a letter saying that they want to take pride, take part in a pride event to celebrate diverse city, in the words of the school, to celebrate the differences that make them their family special. now, that's that. i'll come back to that . but izzy montague to that. but izzy montague replying, she wrote back to the school, saying that they were concerned about him being involved public display of involved in a public display of adherence views which did adherence views which she did not accept , adherence views which she did not accept, namely same sex marriage, which through her christian believe she considered to be sinful. so she's brought the school, said, you can't take your child of that parade. and so is he. montague supported by the christian legal centre brought this suit against the against school sitting on the grounds of direct and indirect discrimination and victimisation and breach statutory duty under

the education act 96, the human rights act and the equality act . so we're now into the final two days of this hearing, at least unless concludes today this day seven. and we've been heanng this day seven. and we've been hearing the closing from both sides. this is morning. we talked about the state of that parade the lawyer for the school out essentially saying that this was a parade about diversity . was a parade about diversity. the only the only time we mention lgbt is when we talked about celebrating the fact that all are different and that there are same sex families there are step there are families of all kinds. this was about celebrating that . and this celebrating that. and this wasn't really about talking about lgbt rights. but course, the claimants accusation is that this was about lgbt rights. there was a rainbow flag , the there was a rainbow flag, the kids were wearing rainbow hats and there songs sung that are synonymous with the gay community. and there was this really interesting exchange between , the judge and the

between, the judge and the lawyer about the lyrics . sister lawyer about the lyrics. sister sledge's we are family and cyndi lorber's true colours that the lyrics had been modified. the school argues that instead of saying we are family, i've got all sisters with me. they were saying, we i, we, our family. i've my sisters and brothers with me. he was really slightly bizarre exchange we're trying to get the judge is trying to drill down to the minutia of the state as to this event that the school was to promote and why it was trying to promote and why it was trying to promote and why it was trying to promote and why it was trying to promote it. this afternoon after lunch we've been heanng afternoon after lunch we've been hearing the hearing from the defence for the lawyer for prosecco nation, lawyer for the prosecco nation, for the four easy months, again for the four easy months, again for the four easy months, again for the christian legal and the judge was their arguments and essentially the christian belief that it essentially the christian belief thatitis essentially the christian belief that it is sinful to have a relationship that is not between a man and a woman within marriage. the judge proposing that this in itself was discriminatory because it was labelled as sinful and that that could could bring about and i'm paraphrasing, but it could bring about a disagreement between two children in the playground. one

consider ing that. it was the parents, another child, same sex parents, another child, same sex parents from another child . if parents from another child. if that could bring about bullying. but the lawyer for the prosecution was arguing that that the way to regulate that would be through bullying anti—bullying guidelines the school should follow and this was about christians belief. the another lifestyle is that that should be respected so the case continues we should get a judgement i should say on the within a couple of months because paul thank you very, very much paul whole kids are national reporters outside the royal courts justice and they did quite well to picture the utter minefield of the specifics . that didn't see the wider . that case didn't see the wider point for me. i don't know about you. let's the point you. let's go. the wider point for me is on earth, are four year olds being asked to take part in like that? i can understand year olds understand that four year olds are not to hate people and not walk around being mean people,

not to bully individuals , not to not to bully individuals, not to be nasty. but isn't that raising your kids isn't just them being at school and teachers trying to do their best to not turn out a bunch of rampant homophobic criminals without on top of that then having to say, well, do you mind putting this rainbow mind putting on this rainbow face a rainbow hat ? and face paint in a rainbow hat? and we you all about whether we teach you all about whether or non—binary, etc. or not you're non—binary, etc. i find slightly bizarre. find that slightly bizarre. i just want to emphasise again the child involved in this case, four i mean is it not four years old. i mean is it not all a bit weird . i am also all a bit weird. i am also minded to point in the minded to point you in the direction, although possibly not to the way of a book called to read the way of a book called my to read the way of a book called my trans teen misadventure, which been nominated which has been nominated apparently children's apparently for the children's prize 2023 and includes things diagrams of bodily confused individuals and even has a phrase here about my imaginary willing to that is going out to have children. indeed it's a potential children's award winner. so what do we really doing here ladies and gents but some people would say this is a great i'm to great thing. i'm going to statement now whoever's statement now from whoever's from school, which is a phrase i

never thought say on never thought would say on national they national television. but they said school, have duty said as a school, we have a duty as by the department for as stated by the department for education and reinforced by the early foundation stage early years foundation stage framework fundamental framework to promote fundamental british as part of the british values as part of the spiritual, moral social and cultural developments . all cultural developments. all pupils. this includes teaching pupils. this includes teaching pupils the importance of values, of tolerance and equality that everyone in our community feels safe, included, and to be themselves. can i just throw this out there right now? many four year olds would have felt and by other four year olds passing comment on lgbtq+ issues.i passing comment on lgbtq+ issues. i very much doubt that thatis issues. i very much doubt that that is realistically a thing that is realistically a thing that could happen four year olds going each other over very very lgbt issues. i don't really how that could have produced an unsafe environment particularly you would have to get some well—educated and then also subsequently very bigoted and angry four year which seems angry four year old, which seems be weird. does anyone else be a bit weird. does anyone else think some kind just think this is some kind of just virtue potentially by virtue signalling potentially by teachers certain sex

teachers or indeed certain sex of the parents that they now of the parents that they are now pushing their a range of pushing on their a range of views though some views on this, though some people would of course vehemently with vehemently disagree with and say, to try to say, hey, it's good to try to raise tolerant as they raise as tolerant as they possibly can be a young age. other people might say it's confusing out of confusing the living out of them moving should be moving on the penalty should be reinstated. that's according to the conservative party. lee the new conservative party. lee anderson in an interview anderson well, in an interview with the spectator, which by the way ranging, covered a way was wide ranging, covered a lot suspect will lot of topics i suspect will garner a huge amount support garner a huge amount of support amongst sectors of the amongst some sectors of the conservative community. this is before he was appointed to the role, argument that role, made the argument that capital a 100% capital punishment a 100% success rate in stopping re—offending. rishi sunak has since clarified that neither he nor government support under some standard , labour has some standard, labour has accused the prime minister of being too to stand up to being too weak to stand up to this unquote nonsense. but this quote unquote nonsense. but has stood up to it. so is lee right. is now the time is now the time to reinstate capital punishment and for what crimes ? punishment and for what crimes? i may i was well i've been asking you this gbviews@gbnews.uk we'll go to

those shortly but joining me now to debate this is barrister chris doyle casey. he's not in favour of reintroducing the death penalty. he's going up against the leader of ukip, neil hamilton is favour. neil hamilton who is in favour. neil will start with you what crimes would you bring the death penalty back for ? well, we did penalty back for? well, we did the death penalty for murder and turtle. i was a boy i was 18 when capital punishment was abolished . i remember executions abolished. i remember executions taking place. so certainly would be amongst them . it's arguable be amongst them. it's arguable whether in certain drugs cases with drug dealers and runners and the big boys it might be a sufficient deterrent stop the rampant rise in crimes to drugs. i think this is something which should certainly be considered . should certainly be considered. okay. all right. i throw it your way now. barrister chris daw casey, your views on the death penalty. not at all under any circumstances, for any crime. is that right? no killing people is

wrong. i think most most civilised people and certainly all civilised countries agree that killing people is wrong. there's no excuse for it. the that it's given some sort of error of authenticity by process of law doesn't make it . error of authenticity by process of law doesn't make it. i'm slightly surprised that you've got a crackpot like neil have said. he used to be my mp. he got thrown out for being corrupt. i'm not sure why people are even allowed on the air, to be honest with you any. any more. you could have more. i'm sure you could have got someone. he's got a bit more credibility to join this debate. okay. to be honest with okay. well, to be honest with you, i'm going you, the greens that i'm going to come back to views to come back to my views shouldn't, be action on television, an television, i think that's an interesting comment on on my opponent. rather that opponent. okay. all rather that i'm through the process of being isolated. right both of you, stop right . we are here to talk stop right. we are here to talk about the death penalty debate and frankly as well of you are going to emerge well out this if you start lobbing milk at each other, are to other, chris, you are not to talk neil's past politics talk about neil's past politics or like you're or anything like that. you're here give expert opinion here to give an expert opinion on or not we should

on whether or not we should bnng on whether or not we should bring death penalty. bring about the death penalty. and throw the same thing and i will throw the same thing over to you. let's just keep it civil, lads. all right, chris, some people would certain to invite on your invite neil hamilton on your it's to him it's your choice to include him in debate, you can hardly in the debate, so you can hardly be surprised given his history when of your when someone's critical of your choice. right. so there is a political angles or not. we should bring about the death penalty and surprise. i have to explain neil explain this to you. but neil obviously a particular obviously is of a particular political view that we should bnng political view that we should bring about the death penalty. those of this those are the parameters of this debate. i'm just going debate. and i'm just going to end time. so you won't end this in time. so you won't even your views across even have your views put across process don't stop with process if you don't stop with all this stuff. so, chris, all of this stuff. so, chris, i will go back to you on this now and just ask yo u £48,000 a year, and just ask you £48,000 a year, roughly keep a prisoner alive forever. supposedly, people forever. supposedly, some people might a bit might say it would save us a bit money we've got people for on money if we've got people for on life is that life tariff. why is that taxpayer to keep them taxpayer having to keep them in prison could execute prison when we could execute them. views chris? well, them. your views chris? well, i'll tell you why, because i'll tell death penalty tell you what? the death penalty has success rates and has 100% success rates and that's killing people everywhere. is the death everywhere. there is the death penalty, innocent people are

executed. there is no possibility of appeal. once you've executed someone i've been involved in cases myself where innocent people were convicted of in this convicted of murder in this country many years in country serve many years in prison eventually prison and were eventually released had his way released. if neil had his way and those who paying for and those who are paying for blood following absolute blood and following absolute lunatic a deputy chair of the lunatic of a deputy chair of the conservative party who has got no place in the higher , higher no place in the higher, higher level of our government level echelons of our government . follow that . if people follow that perspective , i'm afraid end perspective, i'm afraid the end result will innocent people. result will be innocent people. they be you. they could be they could be you. they could be my they could be your my children. they could be your husband could be husband or wife. they could be anybody could be accused and convicted of a crime wrongly, as has time time again has happened time and time again in and others, and in this country and others, and innocent and innocent people will die. and i wouldn't their on hands. wouldn't want their on my hands. and i'm very surprised that mr. hamilton wants the blood of innocent people on his either. okay, i'll throw that back okay, neil, i'll throw that back to as though you to would you feel as though you are blood innocent people are the blood of innocent people on about miscarriages on guns. what about miscarriages justice obviously justice neil? well obviously miscarriages of justice are possible , but they're far less possible, but they're far less possible, but they're far less possible today . they were when possible today. they were when capital punishment survived in

this country back in the 1960s. we've got dna evidence today which wouldn't be available then and are cases where there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever about the guilt of the convicted person . let's take the yorkshire person. let's take the yorkshire ripper, for example , peter ripper, for example, peter sutcliffe or dr. shipman, who killed 218 patients. and there are other egregious cases of that. are other egregious cases of that . and in sutcliffe's case, that. and in sutcliffe's case, the yorkshire ripper, he was in prison our expense for 40 years. he was imprisoned in 1981 and died only in 2020. and there are plenty of cases like that on the books. so yes, i suppose it's always possible . there may well always possible. there may well be mistakes, but i the system where obviously only be in very extreme cases the death penalty would be imposed . i think the would be imposed. i think the chances of an error would be quite small . and what about the quite small. and what about the people who who might be deterred from killing people? well, that's a big question we'll see

now that now that as you've raised. interesting question because chris, i'll throw this back to you because the figures on whether or not the death penalty actually deterrent penalty actually a deterrent from america anyway, and this is in relation to gun crimes, etc. to be fair they don't really appear to indicate that death penalty a deterrent penalty is much of a deterrent do they chris? the evidence is very clear from way that has the death penalty. it's not a deterrent against anything. and i'll tell you why, i've been a criminal defence lawyer for years and i can you one years and i can tell you one thing nobody commits a crime because they're going to because think they're going to get people mostly get caught. people mostly murders the murders in the heat of the moment the influence of moment under the influence of substances a substances or because of a psychiatric sometimes psychiatric illness. sometimes people advance. people platinum in advance. but the one that they don't the one thing that they don't expect happen to is to expect to happen to them is to be the death penalty be caught. so the death penalty is deterrent people is no deterrent because people don't going don't think they're ever going to get caught any more than than long. prison sentences are a deterrent either people don't think to get think they're going to get caught why they caught and that's why they commit look at commit crimes. now, if i look at the stats an argument against any punishing if any form of punishing them, if you let me let me you think, oh, let me let me just let ask you this, just let me just ask you this, neil. let me ask you this. now,

if i just look at the latest stats from yougov, right? it says apparently 54% the says that apparently 54% of the people surveyed the people they surveyed support the death terror death penalty for terror offences. terrorists who offences. so terrorists who were going go kill, so don't going to go on to kill, so don't you a terrorist who looked at something pretty easy online, someone planning a late someone who was planning a late stage also, 44 0% of stage terrorist, also, 44 0% of brits support the death penalty . supposedly people are . supposedly 10% of people are unsure . neil, do you think this unsure. neil, do you think this is kind of that should is the kind of thing that should go public vote? yeah, go to a public vote? yeah, i don't see not. i'm favour of don't see why not. i'm favour of referenda , i think because the referenda, i think because the political class is generally so out of kilter with . the views of out of kilter with. the views of ordinary people on so many issues that referenda are the only ways in which we can express our views effectively . express our views effectively. and you would be happy to call for one. would you want? about people. what about people? they say, for example, who would be like a battered wife ? and she like a battered wife? and she snaps one day. technically, she's she's guilty of murder. we couldn't have a blanket death penalty for murderers in that , penalty for murderers in that, surely. neil, would you be

saying that this is a case by case basis? neil for you? yeah, certainly . obviously in the case certainly. obviously in the case that you posed would be diminished responsibility of some kind. and even under the old law, i don't think it be likely on a conviction there to merit a capital sentence . okay. merit a capital sentence. okay. and chris, i'll throw it your way. what if the family could say, well, look, this is this is the only way that we think justice can be served, this guy. absolutely. 100. i'm going to weigh all this out. i think the classic case that gets wheeled out in situations this out in situations like this is the cousins, sarah everard the wayne cousins, sarah everard thing. this banks the rights thing. this guy banks the rights life clearly never life tariff clearly can never the again a hyper the streets again and a hyper physically family said physically if their family said we want this guy executed what would you say to that ? i would would you say to that? i would say to them, i'm sorry, but we have a system, criminal justice, which is public justice, not private justice. it's not individuals choosing punishment for an offender that went out , i for an offender that went out, i think roughly about 2000 years ago in roman times, the idea of sort of blood money and families

being able to choose the punishment of , people who punishment of, people who wronged them, these are ancient , sort of almost old testament ideas , justice. justice systems ideas, justice. justice systems supposed serve public supposed to serve public interest, the private of interest, not the private of victims or their families . they victims or their families. they are not going to, i'm afraid ever get their loved one back by the death penalty being imposed . experience with the . and my experience with the evidence is that where the death penalty imposed, families penalty is imposed, the families of those who have killed, of those who have been killed, they really get any form they don't really get any form of closure or satisfaction from that. and it makes society a nastier and more unpleasant place . and we need to look at place. and we need to look at ways to actually reduce crime rather than sort of banging drum for old fashioned sentences . for old fashioned sentences. went out with the ark . both of went out with the ark. both of you, thank you very much. we go there end chaps. so there the end chaps. so something i thought something that i thought was going on the head going have a knock on the head very early on. so thank very much. that's his barrister, chris casey, who's not in chris daw casey, who's not in favour death favour of using the death penalty. hamilton for penalty. all neil hamilton for that he was up that matter. and he was up against the leader of neil against the leader of ukip neil hamilton so go right okay hamilton so we go right okay lots of you have been getting in

touch with your thoughts gbviews@gbnews.uk says gbviews@gbnews.uk john says i'm going keep going to have to try and keep a straight down because we straight face down because we often about a serious often talk about a very serious issue, john says i work for issue, said john says i work for 24 prison officer 24 years as a prison officer dunng 24 years as a prison officer during i worked with some during that, i worked with some extremely dangerous some extremely dangerous people, some of while of whom i've actually while serving sentences or serving a prison sentences or have been released after a sentence for murder and have gone again . sentence for murder and have gone again. i'm most gone on to kill again. i'm most definitely in favour of the death penalty . one thing i think death penalty. one thing i think is interesting, though, it's to easy you by the easy get what you say, by the way. quite frankly, way. i think, quite frankly, most emails are basically most of emails are basically echoing said echoing what you've just said there. but how would you feel on jury there. but how would you feel on jury service? you've already got called service. you called up to jury service. you might particularly want might not particularly want to be all of a be there and then all of a sudden they tell you, write your trial if you find this trial now. and if you find this guy guilty, then guy or woman guilty, then they're going to hang you think well up for this well i didn't sign up for this i'm just an accountant or i'm a teacher or, you know, i'm not even getting paid this. it even getting paid for this. it would actually you less would actually make you less inclined to somebody inclined want to find somebody guilty an guilty because that's an argument. less argument. if it makes you less inclined to guilty because inclined to find guilty because you that risk blood you don't want that risk blood on then it's not on your hands, then it's not even as a range of views.

even just as a range of views. gb views gbnews.uk. loads more to next i am to come in next hour. i am asking whether or not we should be those jobs to ukraine. i'm also going to give you very also going to give you the very latest. info. latest. some interesting info. the missing mother, the search for a missing mother, nicola barley. hello again. it's here office blue here from the met office blue skies us this skies for many of us this afternoon, having cleared the earlier cloud drizzle in the earlier cloud and drizzle in the but far north here we've but in the far north here we've got and some heavy got strong winds and some heavy showers ease in showers though showers ease in the of scotland through the north of scotland through the north of scotland through the weather the rest of the next weather front approaching that's front is approaching that's actually to bring milder actually going to bring milder albeit cloudier weather as we into the weekend but for the time being clearing the time being cloud clearing the south bright blue skies for a time across england wales and then clear spells overnight , then clear spells overnight, though a lot of temperatures to fall away in the meanwhile fall away in the south meanwhile for england, north for northern england, north wales, northern wales, scotland and northern ireland, cloud here. ireland, a lot more cloud here. some rain, mainly some outbreaks of rain, mainly across scotland, parts across western scotland, parts of northern and a keen breeze keeping temperatures up in the mid—single figures. frost mid—single figures. so frost free north, but in the free in the north, but in the south, wide below and as south, wide below zero and as low minus seven celsius in low as minus seven celsius in some a sheltered spots as we start friday. so another cold starts southern parts of

starts across southern parts of the uk, but a bright start and we keep the sunny spells in the dunng we keep the sunny spells in the during the afternoon but a lot of cloud arrives that cloud thick enough to give a few spots of rain over exmoor. thick enough to give a few spots of rain over exmoor . the welsh of rain over exmoor. the welsh mountains, north—west england . mountains, north—west england. but the most persistent rain will be across western some cloud breaking up for north scotland. that's where the warmest weather friday warmest weather will on friday afternoon, 12 celsius. it's afternoon, 12 celsius. and it's going a mild day for all going to be a mild day for all of with a lot of cloud and, a of us with a lot of cloud and, a breeze coming in from the southwest that's going to be gusting over hills, northern gusting over the hills, northern england during england and scotland during friday afternoon evening can friday afternoon and evening can be tricky. travelling conditions as we start off half term in many places. but for actually overnight temperatures as we begin the weekend , not going to begin the weekend, not going to begin the weekend, not going to be particularly cold. a touch of frost is possible where we get kind of breaks overnight in the south, but for most it's a milder start to saturday compared with recent , milder start to saturday compared with recent, and it's a mild day compared with recent mornings, albeit with a lot of

cloud cover and some of rain in scotland. the sun very similar as well .

all right, people, it's may patrick christys on coming up at 4:00. your call. we at risk of provoking russia and facing retaliation as it's announced the uk will be the first nation to start training ukrainian pilots and defence secretary ben wallace has been told to investigate which jets the uk could potentially give to ukraine as its fighters fight russian forces . speaking to the russian forces. speaking to the european parliament earlier today, volodymyr zelenskyy captain argued his big push , captain argued his big push, european support and his own scale toll. but are we right to be considering sending jets to ukraine? also this hour was the

newly appointed deputy chairman of the conservative lee anderson right to call for the return of the death . bigley said nobody the death. bigley said nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed, which i mean, technically he's not wrong, is it? i'm asking, do you agree with the death penalty? we had a rather fierce debate earlier on. we will be repeating throughout the this as well. the course of this hour as well. and number of people and the number of people killed through in england through knife crime in england and its highest for 76 and wales at its highest for 76 years. the largest increase was for teenage boys aged 16 to 17, rising from ten homicides to 24. and there was also an increase in children as young as 12, carrying and using knives. get in touch. email me gbviews@gbnews.uk . look, it's gbviews@gbnews.uk. look, it's all about the death penalty. state ladies, gentlemen. why not keep it light? what do you mean by the death what by the death penalty? what crimes? right now , though i'd crimes? right now, though i'd like . patrick, thank you. and like. patrick, thank you. and good afternoon to you. the top story this hour, more than

19,000 people are now known to have died after monday's earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria . around 70 and northern syria. around 70 members of uk international search and rescue, including firefighters , medics, have been firefighters, medics, have been in country since monday helping hundreds of thousands of people have been left homeless and the world health fears, many more may die without shelter, water or heat in freezing temperatures. and british charities are launching an appeal today to funds for those affected. the uk government saying it will match any made by the public . ukraine's president the public. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy has been addressing an eu summit brussels. he's lobbying leaders to provide more weapons to ukraine in the fight against russia . he's referred to as the russia. he's referred to as the biggest anti force of the modern world. number ten says it won't send fighter jets to ukraine if it the uk's safety at risk . the it the uk's safety at risk. the foreign and defence secretaries are in rome meeting their

italian counterpart to discuss galvanising for ukraine here lancashire police say their search for missing of two nicola bulli has moved now towards the sea. the force says they're searching further downstream where the river wye becomes tidal officers have also issued 48 hour dispersal order for st michaels on wyre after an abandoned house was reported police searched by members of the public who then posted footage on. social media. the 45 year old was last seen 13 days ago, walking her dog . a serving ago, walking her dog. a serving metropolitan police officer has been charged with rape . pc been charged with rape. pc jordan pascoe charged by essex police in connection with an allegation . non—recent rape. the allegation. non—recent rape. the charge relates to an alleged incident 2009. he joined the force 2012. he's since been suspended from duty and will appearin suspended from duty and will appear in court march . a former appear in court march. a former labour mp has jailed for four

years after being found guilty fraud committed while . he was in fraud committed while. he was in office. jared o'mara has been convicted of six counts of fraud after trying to claim around £2,000 worth of taxpayers to fund a cocaine . the 41 year old fund a cocaine. the 41 year old who was an mp between 2017 and 2019 was cleared of two other charges by a jury at leeds court. the judge called the crime deliberate and dishonest, saying he abused his position as an mp . now the church of general an mp. now the church of general synod will give blessings to same sex couples in civil partnerships and, marriages . partnerships and, marriages. that was the applause that the approved motion which allows same sex couples to attend services at anglican churches, including receiving god's

blessing after a legal marriage ceremony. in a joint statement, archbishop of canterbury and york said it had been a long road to get to this point. position on gay hasn't changed. however, same sex couples still aren't allowed to marry in church . university and church. university and physiotherapists are striking today around 70,000 university and college union members have walked off the job across 150 universities. meanwhile chartered society of physiotherapy is striking out 33 trusts in england. it's accused the government of being unkempt promising in refusing to pay for the current financial year. promising in refusing to pay for the current financial year . the the current financial year. the prime minister says he doesn't back the return of the death penalty after the new tory deputy chairman lee anderson said he be in favour of such a move . in an interview with the move. in an interview with the spectator , sir, mr. anderson spectator, sir, mr. anderson said nobody has ever committed a crime after executed. a former labour councillor who converted

to the tories was handed his new role on tuesday amid a cabinet reshuffle. the death penalty for murder in the uk was scrapped in 1969. it was completely abolished for all crimes in 1998 . ambulances across england have improved their response times for reaching patients who called 999. new nhs data shows crews reached such as heart attacks and strokes one hour quicker last month than in december. they took over 32 minutes on average, compared with more than 90 the month before. however the response time is still well above the target of 18 minutes . above the target of 18 minutes. and lastly, the prince and princess of wales have been visiting cornwall today. william and kate were greeted members of the public in the harbour town of falmouth. it's their first official joint trip to the county since taking on their new roles as the duke and duchess of cornwall. the royal are there to

learn about the area's heritage . that's all for me. i'm back in .that's all for me. i'm back in half an hour . half an hour. okay. welcome back, everybody. patrick christys here on upbeat news. and i'm kind of framing this really as the wider picture when it comes us potentially sending fighter jets to , ukraine sending fighter jets to, ukraine and whether or not you'll comfortable with given , the comfortable with that given, the potential ramifications. yes terms of cost, but also in terms of retaliation by putin look, not the first time he said it, but is basically threatening now world war iii if we do it, how does that you feel? ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy has brussels today has been in brussels today appealing from appealing for more support from eu countries. on a european eu countries. he's on a european tour in speech to tour presenting in a speech to the council . he told the european council. he told meps troops would you meps that his troops would you in with russia. he's in a historic with russia. he's obviously echoing something that a lot of our viewers say really

wasn't said is that it would be continental europe the fault of putin first could they not be doing little bit more while. doing a little bit more while. we the way but we always leading the way but dunng we always leading the way but during visit the during yesterday's visit to the uk which first since the uk which is his first since the russian invasion, zelenskyy renewed air support as renewed calls for air support as sunak did say, nothing is off the table when it comes to the sending of fighter jets. also worth saying as well that zelenskyy did pre—emptively thank us for sending fighter jets, which we have not yet agreed to do at not openly. rishi sunak said the first step will be to train ukrainian and now defence secretary . ben now defence secretary. ben wallace has also spoken out , wallace has also spoken out, confirming there will be no immediate of uk fighter jets to ukraine. russia, well, they've lashed out clearly and they've basically said that his visit, slutsky visit to the uk ask for more support against putin's regime was pompous. and putin has threatened strong response if about and global if he talks about and global conflict . so we all know what conflict. so we all know what that means. let's over now to get this political is catherine forster who has the latest for

us. yes so it does appear anyway doesn't say that we're not at least openly saying that we're going to be sending fighter jets to ukraine just yet. and maybe putin, for want of a better phrase, can call jets . yes, phrase, can call jets. yes, absolutely . of course, there was absolutely. of course, there was absolutely. of course, there was a rapturous response . vladimir a rapturous response. vladimir zelenskyy's speech in westminster hall yesterday uniting much everybody across parliament that we must do more to help ukraine. but despite the rousing language , despite him rousing language, despite him talking about churchill meeting the king, talking about delicious english tea, he his bafic delicious english tea, he his basic message was, thank you very . now give basic message was, thank you very. now give us the basic message was, thank you very . now give us the jets. now very. now give us the jets. now we are training ukrainian pilots . that's where the first country to be doing that will be doing that from the spring. we're sending long—range missiles . we sending long—range missiles. we are sending more military capability. what we are not committing to sending to the moment or indeed any time is these fighter that they are

asking for. now, ben wallace, the defence secretary, has been in italy . he was tasked by rishi in italy. he was tasked by rishi sunak yesterday for looking into this , but he has been clear to this, but he has been clear to stress that no decision has been taken. so we may send jets in the future , although that the future, although that certainly wouldn't be for at least several months. at a very minimum . or we may not send them minimum. or we may not send them at all. and he's also been that it's not really just in the united kingdom's gift the typhoon planes , for example , typhoon planes, for example, jointly a joint project , jointly a joint project, germany, italy and spain we would have to get permission to send those jets to ukraine and also their ferry intricate pieces of kit there. very difficult, first of to all, learn how to fly, but then they've got to be maintained. they need a long, smooth the runways in ukraine are not really a along those lines. so there's of difficulties . so for there's of difficulties. so for all the words, for all the front pages, for all boris johnson ,

pages, for all boris johnson, send the planes. let's and see. indeed catherine, thank you very much. as ever , gb news is much. as ever, gb news is political . she's at westminster political. she's at westminster us now. volodymyr zelenskyy was there yesterday. one thing i'm quite keen to get your views on, ladies and gents as well, is what boris johnson's to say. now, boris johnson tends to be a bit of a favourite here amongst our viewers for and obvious reason. that i suspect reason. one area that i suspect there's a little of there's maybe a little of a point just point of difference, just judging from what judging by my inbox from what bofis judging by my inbox from what boris johnson's normal supporter is compared, his views on this topic zelenskyy. all our topic is send zelenskyy. all our jets. just holding the jets. i'm just holding up the forms express that for forms of the express that for people who are listening on radio stand on that radio where do you stand on that 7 radio where do you stand on that ? boris johnson normally kind of hits would hits the right notes would appear with a lot of appear anyway with a lot of our viewers listeners. you viewers and listeners. do you think about that? think he's right about that? because if still because presumably if we still had johnson, be had boris johnson, we would be sending all of our jets to ukraine in line to the fact there is today now the us there is also today now the us has wargaming china has been wargaming with china over time one putin saying that if we jets over to ukraine it will start a massive bloodshed

and world war iii. i'm concerned about where this is all heading. i'm we all are. but joining me now is former british army commander and former chairman of the group, richard the intelligence group, richard kemp very kemp. richard, thank you very much . it's going to take a long much. it's going to take a long time for these to be able time for these pilots to be able to these jets. in the to fly these jets. in the meantime if putin does gains, then surely the next step is to send troops. is it not, and that is world war iii. yeah i don't think that's likely to happen . think that's likely to happen. obviously, we can't foresee the future, but there's certainly no appetite as far as i can see any nato country , including the uk, nato country, including the uk, to deploy our own , whether it's to deploy our own, whether it's aircraft or , ground forces or aircraft or, ground forces or naval forces to take in this war. so i don't think that's certainly on the table at the moment and i think that would be the case. let's say, you know, putin's already i think the gun major offensive, which is going to probably develop in coming days and weeks , which could days and weeks, which could cause damage even more

significant damage has already been done to ukraine. and i think even if it makes major gains, i still can't see nato directly in the conflict . yeah, directly in the conflict. yeah, i suspect there might be a limit to what can do with ukraine and if sadly they don't prevail . and if sadly they don't prevail. and not i think at some point if it looks like world war three is going to kick off. people are going to kick off. people are going to kick off. people are going to have to ask themselves, am i willing to die for ukraine's territory? and i suspect vast majority suspect the vast majority of people, normal people, ordinary people, normal people, ordinary people no to people will probably say no to that. do you think rishi sunak's only promising much now so that he doesn't bad compared to boris johnson . i there's an element of johnson. i there's an element of that, but also. right. i think that, but also. right. i think that britain should do everything it possibly can to support ukraine in its fight. and think if that happens and it's and it's also other countries the world follow suit even more than they are now that sort of action is make makes i think a wider less likely. you

know i don't think has any desire despite his desk thumping etc. to get into a war with nato which i don't think he could possibly win so but but i do think we do need to do everything we can to think maybe our own jet aeroplanes is not a practical solution. but there are plenty of countries more practical craft like the f—16 is used in many nato countries around the world, which would be more effective , i think, and more effective, i think, and a more effective, i think, and a more viable solution. just want to ask you a little bit more about you that you don't think putin has massive desires on world war three and stuff like that, does that not imply that the line that unless we spend huge sums of money right now and the us does and europe does as a whole, we spend huge amounts of money right now then putin well it'll run through ukraine and then it'll come for the rest of us. but what you just said, that doesn't seem to be the which

might make people question why on earth we're spending this much? think he certainly much? well, i think he certainly wants to get as much of ukraine as he thinks he can, and that will be much more than he had in february last year. will be much more than he had in february last year . and as you february last year. and as you rightly say, i once he's done that, i think he will willing and inclined to go even further. but i think that will be based on his calculus and probably rightly , that nato is not going rightly, that nato is not going to oppose i. my view is that even putin, let's say, attacks and seizes or tries to seize part of poland. i don't see western european countries going to their aid i just don't see it not sending troops even though there a nato charter obligation for them to do so. i don't believe they would. i think he will calculate that he can get away with a lot more of these already got away with with nato pretty much too timid. you i just can't see germany. france even britain sending what their troops die for an unknown piece

of eastern europe . but yeah, i of eastern europe. but yeah, i can see. absolutely. you raised an interesting point there about germany and france . look, when germany and france. look, when it all first kicked off, i was certainly very vocal and we had conversations didn't we about whether or some of our european friends and allies could potentially little friends and allies could pot more ly little friends and allies could potmore volodymyr little friends and allies could potmore volodymyr zelenskyy is bit more volodymyr zelenskyy is rattling around europe rattling around around europe today isn't saying and saying look, please us look, come on, please give us a bit you think that they bit more. do you think that they should doing more the should be doing more like the germans, for example ? because germans, for example? because forgive i, the british forgive me, but i, the british taxpayer at the moment might be inclined to say, well, at the minute we're propping up as an america up this defence america propping up this defence of not of ukraine, and we're not exactly to much, exactly going to get much, thanks germans for it. thanks from the germans for it. no, you're absolutely right. and i think is the best i think germany is the best example of the most powerful country in the eu, which has really failed. germany has shown itself , i really failed. germany has shown itself, i think again for the third time in the last entry and this to be on the wrong side of two previous wars of aggression. this time being too i think frightened too tied to russia .

frightened too tied to russia. to really pull its weight and it's dragged its heels sending in tanks . you know at best it in tanks. you know at best it sent 5000 helmets at the beginning and then ramped that up. but even so germany is not pulling its weight and they certainly be. and france also should be doing so. britain has shown , i think, the strongest shown, i think, the strongest lead in europe , probably the lead in europe, probably the strongest the world over strongest lead in the world over this. and it's time for these other countries, i think, to do more. you very much . i do more. thank you very much. i do always enjoy our shots and take care as well as richard care yourself as well as richard camp, former british camp, who is the former british army commander and former chairman , the cobra intelligence chairman, the cobra intelligence group. fascinating so essentially doesn't really essentially it doesn't really take bbc needs massively in terms starting world war terms of starting world war three. yeah, okay. it just also i think, though, that might i think, though, that he might have little of go on have a little bit of go on poland we wouldn't poland and that we wouldn't necessarily crucially necessarily in but crucially i it isn't it. as he it is time isn't it. as he echoed that for some of our european friends and allies to actually their money where actually put their money where their it's very their mouths are, it's all very well and having zelenskyy well and good having zelenskyy in european parliament and in your european parliament and waving and waving the ukrainian flag and all stuff. but it's just all of that stuff. but it's just

photo it? about photo ops, isn't it? what about hardware? why it always on hardware? why is it always on the taxpayers go the british taxpayers that go get of trouble? some get europe out of trouble? some people might say, now we're moving search area where moving the search area where police looking missing police are looking for missing nicola widened now and nicola bully has widened now and the has now the coastline has now been scoured . it's been nearly two scoured. it's been nearly two weeks since the disappearance and a dispersal order has been issued for the after issued for the village after people flock to the area to reportedly explore and abandon road go for an road house. let's go for an update now. a gb news is north—west of england reports . north—west of england reports. sophie reaper is out end sophie reaper who is out not end say how is the search say sophie. how is the search going at minute for ? nicola going at the minute for? nicola body, the missing mum of two. well, patrick, they've now confirm that the search for nicola moved from the area they believe she was last seen to further down the river wyre. in a statement, lancashire police said police may people may have seen sorry less police activity today than previously in the area of the river above the weir. but that is not we have stepped down our searches it's because the focus of the search

has moved further downstream into the area of the river, which becomes tidal. and then out towards the sea. now today lancashire police boats were seen here at the mouth of the river wyre, which is between fleetwood, which you can see just over my here and not end sea, which is where i'm stood this evening. now yesterday sgi, the independent search team, have been assisting lancashire in the hunt for nicola bailey , in the hunt for nicola bailey, pulled out of the search with found peter folding, saying he believes they've done all that. they can do now . despite that they can do now. despite that lancashire police county to search the river wyre , they've search the river wyre, they've moved the search further towards the coast as they desperately tried . find an answer to the tried. find an answer to the question what has happened to nicola bully ? yes, indeed. no nicola bully? yes, indeed. no absolutely. i mean, just this case gets more and more mysterious. you know, as you've said that. so of course the search now moving on, but with some argue calls getting unlikely, even more likely to actually results given the

actually get results given the widening area. look, widening of the area. look, thank sophie. to thank you much, sophie. great to have you on the show. we'll be going back to sophie less bit later sophie reaper that later on the sophie reaper that he not and on sea. and he was in not and on sea. and thatis he was in not and on sea. and that is the latest on the search for missing can only one thing i think fascinating. we're think he's fascinating. we're going to be talking a little bit later ask you to a local later on ask you to a local around the lancashire area was special from yesterday then we obviously because obviously got cut short because so in soon what we're so let's get in soon what we're doing conference what doing that press conference what they emerged now that they but it's emerged now that they but it's emerged now that the police two of issues got a dispersal because so many dispersal order because so many people to scene to people are going to the scene to offer own back as it were offer their own back as it were take all the move itself is that this bench, nicholas, supposedly fell into the river and then also search outbuildings etc. themselves even posting on social. i mean some people really aren't quite scummy on that. i know you're with me patrick christys gb news patrick christys on gb news coming number people coming up, number of people being knife crime is being killed by knife crime is a 76 year high. the biggest rise being in young boys aged 16 to 17. i wonder why that is and what can be done about that is also worrying , increasing the

also worrying, increasing the number of 12 year olds who are carrying and knives. again, why is that? what's going on there? but before that, going to give you a quick look you that you a quick look at you that hello again. aidan mcgivern hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here the met office bright here from the met office bright blue of us this blue for many of us this afternoon , having cleared afternoon, having cleared the earlier cloud and drizzle in the south. but in the far north here we've got strong winds and some heavy showers. those showers ease in the north of scotland the rest of the day. the next weather front is approaching. that's actually to bring milder, albeit cloudier weather as we head into the weekend . for the head into the weekend. for the time being, cloud clearing the south bright blue skies for a time across england, wales and then spells overnight will allow temperatures to fall away in the south meanwhile for northern england. wales scotland england. north wales scotland and ireland, a more and northern ireland, a lot more cloud some outbreaks rain, cloud. some outbreaks of rain, mainly focussed across western scotland, of northern scotland, parts of northern ireland a keen breeze ireland and a keen breeze keeping temperatures in the mid—single so frost mid—single figures. so frost free but in the south, free the north but in the south, wider below zero and as low as minus seven celsius. in some a

sheltered as we start friday. so another cold across southern parts of the uk but a bright start and we keep the sunny spells in the southeast during the afternoon but elsewhere a lot of cloud arrives . that cloud lot of cloud arrives. that cloud thick enough to give a few spots of over exmoor. the mountains north—west england . but the most north—west england. but the most persistent rain will be across western some cloud breaking up for north scotland. that's where the warmest weather will on friday afternoon, 12 celsius. and going a mild day and it's going to be a mild day for of us with a lot of for all of us with a lot of cloud and a breeze coming in from the southwest that's going to be gusting over the hills, northern england and scotland dunng northern england and scotland during afternoon and during friday afternoon and evening can be travelling evening can be tricky travelling conditions as we start off half term in many places. but for actually overnight temperatures as we begin weekend. it's not going to be particularly frost is possible where we get some cloud breaks overnight in the south but for most it's a milder start saturday compared with recent and it's a mild day

compared with recent mornings, albeit a lot of cloud cover and some outbreaks of rain in scotland sunday looks very similar as well.

also people like me sit here and say the phrase figures and actually they're not that shocking. these really are because shocking figures today show that the number of people killed with knife england and killed with knife in england and wales at its highest in 76 wales is at its highest in 76 years. figures from the office for national statistics show that four in ten murders were committed using a knife or sharp objects in. the year 2021 to march 2022. that's up by almost 20. but more worryingly , as if 20. but more worryingly, as if it could get even worse, it can more worryingly the largest increase in teenage boys aged 16 and 17, rising from ten deaths

to 24, joining me now is nick buckley mba charity founder and author look, nick, thank you very, very much this is staggering . why are so many staggering. why are so many young boys stabbing each other to death ? the answer that nobody to death? the answer that nobody really wants to hear is because nobody cares. that really is the answer. this has been going on for decades getting worse and worse every decade . we talk worse every decade. we talk about it all the time. we throw our hands up in the air and we. oh, what a shame. but deep down inside, nobody cares . and the inside, nobody cares. and the reason i know nobody is because no one's doing about it. black lives matter. we're not doing enough about it because this affects boys more than anybody else . politicians aren't doing else. politicians aren't doing that about it. and if we think down even deeper , the sad fact down even deeper, the sad fact is anti—racism is killing young black boys because nobody wants to be called a racist on this issue . so just explain that a

issue. so just explain that a bit more to me and to all of and our listeners. is it, in your view, the fact that, unfortunately some of the demographics involved in knife crime make for uncomfortable viewing reading for race and viewing and reading for race and anti—racist charities, etc, so they don't to highlight it or what's that the thinking that . what's that the thinking that. so we all know crime affects the black community more than any other community. it's a fact that stats show that , but also that stats show that, but also for the work i've been doing over the 15 years, carrying a knife , it's becoming more and knife, it's becoming more and more fashionable and eventually it's becoming more and more fashionable . it is because young fashionable. it is because young people now don't know anybody who's been stopped , searched by who's been stopped, searched by the police. so feel unless i pull this , no one's going to pull this, no one's going to know. i've it on me. and when they do it out in front of a bad guy to scare him, that doesn't scare the bad guys. the bad kind of takes the knife off you and stabs you. maybe even a knife because now you disrespected him . but if we're looking at the

so—called angle or the police are terrified of stopping young black men in case the cold racist case passes by film and is screaming at the police you racist you racially profiled that young person. but what police are trying to do is save that young person's life . and that young person's life. and i've almost come to a stage now where i wouldn't disrespect young people on the streets and search them for knives. let's wait to the morgue at the morgue and we can search them in private. that's a lot better for everybody . that's how we're everybody. that's how we're running our anti knife crime initiatives that that's at the morgue . when it when it comes to morgue. when it when it comes to stopping knife crime, a lot of people will go, well, stop and search surely is the answer to this. but there are a lot of connotations doesn't it? so how do we stop young mostly boys let's be honest carrying knives , simple things. let's be honest carrying knives , simple things . the first thing , simple things. the first thing is stop and search . but is

is stop and search. but is politically tricky to increase that. so i add, i've been saying for ten years now we need to go back those communities and we say to we're going to give you in your council board a annual vote at the local elections . vote at the local elections. there'll be a separate ballot papen there'll be a separate ballot paper. you can vote if you want more. stop and search in your area, which means your child is more likely to be stopped and searched in the area. they and as a resident and as a this is your choice. if vote no, that's fine. if vote yes, we stop, stop and search in more young people in your area in the hope we can save lives. that then gives the authority from the residents in those areas to do more or do less . and if the police do more less. and if the police do more then accused of being racist that answer is the people who live in this area have a for more stop and search . now on the more stop and search. now on the flip side of that so education we don't need to go in schools

and start educating just how bad it is carrying a knife. we all know they the education must these people got caught a knife in your area and we're prosecuting them. these their names, these are their photos. because young people think no one's ever caught carrying a knife . yeah. yeah. can i ask you knife. yeah. yeah. can i ask you , in light of one of the big discussions that we've been having throughout the course of this show today, which is the death penalty debate opened up for lee anderson, the new for us by lee anderson, the new deputy of the tory party . deputy chair of the tory party. do think that if people that do you think that if people that they would get the death penalty, a knife related murder that bring the that it would bring the stabbings fatal stabbings and the fatal stabbings and the fatal stabbings . down and that's a stabbings. down and that's a huge discussion . so for the huge discussion. so for the papers i've read , bringing in papers i've read, bringing in the death penalty , does it the death penalty, does it necessarily reduce murders? because people who commit murder don't think they're going to get caught anyway. yeah. the people who are psychopaths don't think

that far enough ahead to realise the consequences to , their the consequences to, their actions. so it doesn't really affect that, that, that i'm in favour of the death penalty for many, many different crimes and that penalty works in two ways. a it people confidence in the neighbourhoods they live that there is a severe for certain things and it will deter a small percentage of people . it's then percentage of people. it's then also a warning to the criminal society that there's lines you can not cross. yeah yeah. and then with that woolwich other crimes as well . all right, nick, crimes as well. all right, nick, thank you very much. always appreciate our conversation. just nick buckley and be the charity founder and author. and yes, anyway, look, keep your views coming in vaiews@gbnews.uk. a couple of quick stats for you on. this as well that might really drill down the homicide rates apparently . and wales is 11.7 apparently. and wales is 11.7 people per million population. so there you go, 11.7 per million of the population , which

million of the population, which is increasing. i just been told. i've got some breaking news for ladies and gentlemen. so let's find out together, shall we? so breaking news. members of parliament a pay parliament will get a 2.9% pay increase april first. april increase from april first. april the first. and i want to bring you the overall salary from £84j44 you the overall salary from £84,144 . to £86,584. right. £84,144. to £86,584. right. okay. so mps will get a 2.9% pay rise. that's coming in from april the first. i think we should probably at this point what was what else going to be doing isn't it. which compare doing isn't it. which is compare to of the pay rises being to some of the pay rises being offered to people in the public sector. what would of sector. what would you make of that supposedly like that supposedly anyway, like train i train drivers, train staff, i should for like the rmt pay should say, for like the rmt pay rise i believe anyway of 5% this year on, a 4% pay rise back dated also nurses as well. they were offered somewhere in the region of that so i'm pays okay yes tells you much higher but they are to point 9% the pay

offer that they will be given inflation of course i mean to keep up with inflation is a minute, but it's something like ten or 11. some say, what do you make all of that, we'll be make of all of that, we'll be dipping toe into that dipping our toe into that particular a bit on. gb particular a bit later on. gb views at gb news is .uk you views at gb news is .uk do you think that get a 2.9% think it's right that get a 2.9% pay think it's right that get a 2.9% pay rise and that is coming your way from april the that's thursday all paying for it thursday we're all paying for it aren't that that aren't we. does that mean that the offer people in the minimum offer for people in our sector should be 2.9? our public sector should be 2.9? all what would mean patrick all what it would mean patrick christys gb search for christys on gb news search for missing nicola birley missing mother nicola birley moved this moved to the coastline this afternoon . police take boats afternoon. police take two boats in bay two weeks after in morecambe bay two weeks after her disappearance . we're going her disappearance. we're going to live there very, very to go live there very, very shortly. do you agree with shortly. and do you agree with a newly appointed deputy chairman of, the conservative lee of, the conservative party, lee anderson he says that anderson what he says that we should consider reintroducing the death penalty? interesting because if you read the polls on that, it's pretty. by the way, i will speak . to that, it's pretty. by the way, i will speak. to a man who's worked to overturn death sentences for convicts in the us. but right now, though, it's your headlines.

us. but right now, though, it's your headlines . patrick, thank your headlines. patrick, thank you.the your headlines. patrick, thank you. the top stories , gb news. you. the top stories, gb news. and we have some breaking news in the last few minutes members of parliament will a 2.9% pay increase from the 1st of april. that would bring their overall salary from around that would bring their overall salary from aroun d £84,000 to salary from around £84,000 to 86,000. we'll bring you more on that if it happens . now made that if it happens. now made news, more than 19,000 people are known to have died after monday's earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria. around 70 members of the uk international search and rescue team join the effort to try to find people in the rubble. they tweeted just , now they've tweeted just, now they've recently managed to rescue two women aged 60 and 90. british charities are from today appealing for funds to help those affected by the disaster , those affected by the disaster, with the uk government saying match up to £5 billion in public donations . ukraine's president donations. ukraine's president zelenskyy has addressed eu

summit in brussels. he's lobbying leaders to provide weapons to ukraine in the fight against. russia, which he's referred to as the biggest anti european force of the modern world. number says it won't send fighter jets to the country if it puts the uk at risk. fighter jets to the country if it puts the uk at risk . that fighter jets to the country if it puts the uk at risk. that was the applause greeted the church of england's synod, now giving to same sex couples in civil marriages and partnerships. they'll be able to attend services at anglican churches, including a blessing after a legal marriage ceremony. in a joint statement , archbishop of joint statement, archbishop of canterbury york said it had been a long to get to this point. the position on gay marriage, though, hasn't changed. same sex couples aren't allowed to marry in church . and as you've been in church. and as you've been heanng in church. and as you've been hearing language , police say hearing language, police say their search for a missing mother of, two nicola pulley has moved towards the coast. the

force says they now searching further downstream where the wyre becomes tidal . officers wyre becomes tidal. officers have also issued 48 hour dispersal order for st michaels on wyre after an abandoned house was reportedly searched by members of the public . the 45 members of the public. the 45 year old was last seen 13 days ago walking dog along the river. and lastly, burt bacharach , and lastly, burt bacharach, considered one of pop music's greatest ever composers, has died at the age of 94. he wrote hits like i say a little prayer and on by as well movie themes including what's new pussycat and the look of love. his publicist saying bacharach died surrounded his family at his home in los angeles on wednesday . on online, a dab+ radio . this . on online, a dab+ radio. this is gb news. we're back in just a moment .

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killed can. and it is difficult to that logic, however, to argue that logic, however, there's it course. there's lots to it of. course. what what do you bring? what crimes? what do you bring? the for? is the death penalty back for? is it practise? would it it a barbaric practise? would it put a lot of pressure on jurors if? you were doing your jewellery service and you knew that you find that not only would you find this man or guilty and they could be sentenced life in could be sentenced to life in prison parole, say that prison without parole, say that they as they could also get executed as well. you comfortable well. you feel comfortable without just normal without maybe you just normal person, up person, you don't really sign up to one letter for your to that one the letter for your jewellery service on the mat do you. anderson seems to you. but lee anderson seems to think maybe good think that maybe it's a good idea. look, after all, for me personally, certain crimes, i'll be back favour it. let be back in favour of it. but let me what you think. me know what you think. gbviews@gbnews.uk case should me know what you think. gb\uk/s@gbnews.uk case should me know what you think. gb\uk bringinews.uk case should me know what you think. gb\uk bring backs.uk case should me know what you think. gb\uk bring back capitalse should the uk bring back capital punishment? is because punishment? and that is because lee anderson popped on lee anderson is popped up on the message. member ashfield message. the member for ashfield the grounds that. the policy on the grounds that. like said, nobody ever like i said, nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed. the executed. he seems to have the support of the support of large swathes of the pubuc support of large swathes of the public a recent yougov poll public now. a recent yougov poll suggested that 52% of people think penalty should think the death penalty should be cases of be reinstated in cases of multiple murder. i've also got to say 54% of people think that

it should be reinstated for cases of terrorism . a terrorist cases of terrorism. a terrorist was going to go to kill people. so not just someone who looks at something freaky on line or whatever overall it's . the whatever, but overall it's. the 44 o% whatever, but overall it's. the 44 0% mark for people who think we should reinstate the penalty. but crucially on that, 10% of people are undecided. realistically if we had a referendum on it, it could go either way. couldn't say. well, the prime minister has now himself and the government from the clarifying that the remarks clarifying that neither administration neither he his administration supports the death penalty. joining me now to discuss this is clive stafford smith obe . is clive stafford smith obe. he's british lawyer who's he's a british lawyer who's working the death penalty in the united states . thank you united states. thank you very much, why you so against much, clive. why you so against the death penalty ? well, look the death penalty? well, look what, mr. anderson says, is that people who've been executed can't commit crime. but i've represented a number of people who've been executed , didn't who've been executed, didn't commit a crime in the first place. and obviously, the issue in there and, you know, i done a lot of death penalty cases . i lot of death penalty cases. i consider myself relatively good

at it. but i've managed screw up at it. but i've managed screw up a case where a young man was in 1987 who was totally innocent and just last week was , the 70th and just last week was, the 70th anniversary of the hanging derrick bentley, who was a mentally disabled young man was sentenced to death. there's been film about it. let him have it. let him dangle by no costello and. he's now been pardoned. but it's a late for him because he was hanged . so that's the bottom was hanged. so that's the bottom line. but what about people, clive? what people who are absolutely unequivocally killed someone in a horrific way, they can never the streets again . and can never the streets again. and we are just as taxpayers going to spend a minimum of around £8,000 a year to keep them at home at justice. pleasure. wouldn't it be better if we just slotted them? well, the problem there is that people say that like it's , so easy to figure like it's, so easy to figure out, but every time an innocent person has been sentenced to death , the government said they

death, the government said they , did it. 12 jurors swore beyond reasonable doubt they did it. all these judges said they did it . and then it turned out they it. and then it turned out they didn't. and you know, human beings , strange people, and we beings, strange people, and we mess up all the time. i got to be fair, clive. i do want say. but to be fair, clive, there are there are certain cases where there are certain cases where the person definitely did it. definitely did it. and even in those situations right now, do you still because because is thatis you still because because is that is that more of a moral thing then for you is that it's maybe okay barbaric practise it is archaic practise and i've what 60 people die in front of me and it's always the middle of the night. and you look up at the night. and you look up at the stars as you come out of the execution and say, wow, did that make the world a better place? but the flipside of what you're arguing, i hear what you say, but have experience the us. but we have experience the us. i apologise. i am half american so ihave apologise. i am half american so i have a lot apologised for and is way more expensive to do. a

complicated capital as opposed to a life case than it is to keep someone in prison the rest of their lives. and that's we do it in america and we mess up. and according the thing i'm working on, i've 184 people in representing right now who are dead , who aren't exonerated and, dead, who aren't exonerated and, you know, these are 184 executed people bring you've alluded to some really very central points to this, which is the question , to this, which is the question, miscarriages of justice. there's the question of cost. i know that people we allow and gave some stats earlier on it cost around eight candidates keep someone yeah that someone in prison. yeah that doesn't the amount doesn't account for the amount of retrials and the of trials and retrials and the cost of the execution as well . cost of the execution as well. and i completely understand that there's question of there's the question of deterrent, there? which is deterrent, isn't there? which is it? deterrent? in my it? even deterrent? in my understanding of the stats from america, i'm not saying kind of all over the world really would suggest it isn't much of suggest that it isn't much of a deterrent . there's a moral deterrent. there's a moral question, though , from all of question, though, from all of those things, which is the is an

eye for an eye a good thing for the victims family if the victim's family wanted someone to be killed because did some unspeakable things to that child or their daughter do we not as a society owe that to the victim's family . two things on that. family. two things on that. first, what we say in america is, you know, why do we kill who? kill people? they show killing people is wrong, which for sort of sums up that whole issue . but also i with the issue. but also i with the victim's family and every single case that i've ever dealt and i've been in the execution chamber with the victims when they were told by the that it was going to make them feel better, watch this guy die and just never did . and i'm just not just never did. and i'm just not sure that that's really our society is about how i'd like to think that we can try to show a bit more compassion even in the most dreadful things that go on in life. what do you just very finally. sorry and quite quickly on this . what about punishment ?

on this. what about punishment? so not the death penalty , some so not the death penalty, some people say? well, actually, a lot of people would quite welcome the death penalty. i mean, you have to look at some high profile harold high profile cases. harold shipman himself, shipman killed himself, didn't see quite a lot of these people do they kill themselves? names like way out. so like they want a way out. so maybe penalty, maybe the death penalty, even from it will be a from that angle, it will be a relief someone who does want relief to someone who does want to spend the rest of our life behind about physical behind bars. what about physical punishment? be punishment? would you still be against someone was against that if someone was given lashes every month or given 100 lashes every month or something like that? someone like cousins example, like a wayne cousins example, i've say, would i've got to say, would be, i mean, a is, a dreadful mean, a prison is, a dreadful place. it's funny that. place. it's sort of funny that. people that life in people think that life in is somehow double. if imagine somehow a double. if imagine spending the rest of your life cooped up in a cell. it's just not a great thing. and idea that on top of that, we should go around people with rap. no, no, no. think we progressed beyond that. hope, clive, thank you that. i hope, clive, thank you very fascinating insight very much. fascinating insight into of this. and i would like to talk you at some to talk to you again at some point out about your experiences because it just sounds like you've of well, very

you've got a lot of well, very interesting. first on experience as tough adjustment thank as he tough adjustment a thank you and he's a british you very much and he's a british lawyer working the lawyer he's working against the death united states. what death in the united states. what do ladies and do you make that, ladies and gentlemen? very much gentlemen? there are very much two this, and that's two sides of this, and that's evidence, the polls, because the polls are all quite split when it to or not we it comes to whether or not we should back the death should bring back the death penalty. just to penalty. again, just want to emphasise to emphasise not decided to randomly discussion randomly crowbar this discussion in anderson the new in today lee anderson the new deputy has deputy tory party chair has basically it for anyway. basically done it for anyway. right. the area where police looking missing nicola looking for missing nicola has been . this is the been widened. this is the missing persons case has gripped the the coastline of the nation the coastline of morecambe is now being morecambe bay is now being explored. search zone explored. the new search zone comes specialist comes after the specialist diving in by the family of diving team in by the family of the missing of two pulled out of the missing of two pulled out of the search they categorically believe nicola is not in the river police think she is. river where police think she is. joining nicola rodger joining me now is nicola rodger is editor of lancashire is the editor of the lancashire post. nicola, apologies. post. now nicola, apologies. yesterday short. yesterday we got caught short. you bit by volodymyr you got you got bit by volodymyr zelenskyy unfortunately and but in this right now then we in this case right now then we are hearing that has been are hearing that search has been widened. does that really widened. what does that really mean what that is? they've mean and what that is? they've been concentrating much has

been concentrating very much has been concentrating very much has been been widely reported been has been widely reported the area of the bench and immediately where phone was immediately where the phone was found that little area to the found that little area up to the where. now, what they appear to have done today is completely wider . the area they've gone wider. the area they've gone back they've gone to where the wire spills into the sea, which is the not turn filled area . and is the not turn filled area. and they've they've actually taken they've they've actually taken the boats to the to the mouth of the boats to the to the mouth of the river. then they've worked their way upstream . they've gone their way upstream. they've gone and had a look. but their way upstream. they've gone and had a look . but then they've and had a look. but then they've come back and they're come back down and they're looking around in the actual sea where, you know, where the water comes out . so they're obviously comes out. so they're obviously really having a proper scour around there . so they're around there. so they're obviously still convinced that that's where the clare is in the river at that point by now aren't they. yes and something as well. it would police are having to battle against and this incident is ordering members of the public who decided to take it upon themselves to either take quite out self without the baton to nicola is supposedly said to

have gone or also searching themselves is this right dispersal have been issued which i find quite bizarre . yes, i on i find quite bizarre. yes, i on the back of a lot of conspiracy theories which are circulating onune theories which are circulating online and bearing in mind the police have already searched these buildings, all empty ones anyway. but they then last night there was an issue where there was two groups really those to main groups, one group came from liverpool and we're just making a of themselves. filming liverpool and we're just making a talks:hemselves. filming liverpool and we're just making a talks outside yes. filming liverpool and we're just making a talks outside frontilming liverpool and we're just making a talks outside front ofiing take talks outside front of people's houses in the little tiny this little tiny village. it's that michael's . then tiny this little tiny village. it's otherviichael's . then tiny this little tiny village. it's other group l's . then tiny this little tiny village. it's other group were then tiny this little tiny village. it's other group were actually the other group were actually essentially they've broken into the grounds of, of essentially they've broken into the grounds of , of these the grounds of, of these properties and were filming in the dark doing tiktoks and live sort from there as if it was a ghost hunt or something. so what's happened is lancashire police had to take action. so they've put to disperse orders in place for two groups that these these dispersal are wider than that they last for 48 hours. so it's a warning to anyone else because. there is an awful lot of people in a very

small little quiet village at the that's all the press also, there's the police searches and now they sort of just random, almost like sort of tourists . almost like sort of tourists. chasing, i'll say it, weirdos, really. some of them aren't. and let's be honest. but but nicola just in terms of what the area might be feeling like now , might be feeling like now, obviously everybody's still nicola turns up safe and well. the police saying that they believe she's in the river as yet. we have to find. we don't want to speculate too. but look, people presumably concerned, concern and in the area that what it might mean if something has happened so that doesn't involve going in the river it's still at large or something like that. people are quite worried in the area and i think people are worried. but i think the police seem to be so convinced that this is what's happened that this is what's happened that largely they like to have just want some sort of . and this

just want some sort of. and this for the family because it's this knowing nothing is so agonising for the family for local residents. well you know, it's a small place. everybody knows each other. so a lot of people know and her family and her friends, they just want just want some common action to all but obviously we're all despot hoping that there's a happy still to be had that something that of nothing you that thought of as nothing you know that's going to be like a mini miracle here but at the same time you know this is also sort of realism. it's really, really quite sad. feels very sort of realism. it's really, sad. it's like so moment. yes, indeed. sad. it's like so moment. yes, indeed . thank you very, very indeed. thank you very, very much . it's been great to have much. it's been great to have you on the show and to actually get talk to you today as well. thatis get talk to you today as well. that is the coloradoan who is the editor of the lancashire post, which is course post, which is of course covering where nicola covering the area where nicola bailey went two weeks ago. bailey sadly went two weeks ago. now two weeks, good grief. and it is like cases gripped the nafion it is like cases gripped the nation and it's gripped it because just so strange, because it just so strange, doesn't really just out doesn't it really just out walking a dog. police initially did did convince did convince. still did convince that she's in that river and

then course as well they've then of course as well they've had dive teams have a specialist sonar doesn't sonar start saying she doesn't seem to be found in that widening search area. very, widening the search area. very, very we're very mysterious. but we're moving from and the moving on now from that and the church england sign out church of england sign out often thought of the church is parliament as voted in of parliament as voted in favour of allowing blessings for same sex couples but they unable to marry in church and attention is in the church and attention is turning priests turning to god's gender. priests are stopping are considering stopping gendered such as he gendered language such as he and, him and a new project looking the more looking into the use more inclusive language. we'll in the spnng inclusive language. we'll in the spring with any changes marking a the traditional a departure from the traditional and teachings dating and christian teachings dating millennia. we try to talk about this yesterday, but we're back for more because yes we were pushed a little bit by zaleski and well joining now to and co well joining me now to discuss should discuss whether god should be gender is the head of gender neutral is the head of pubuc gender neutral is the head of public policy at christian concern martino bowen concern india and martino bowen is vicar at st michael's is a vicar at st michael's chelsea this much is third chelsea. this very much is third time okay tim, do think time lucky. okay tim, do think god's a man or woman so listen, jesus was born a man, wasn't say he was a man or a woman and he wasn't trans or or gender

non—binary for all that was born a man. he lived as a man of god, as man. he even rose from the dead as a man and entered heaven as a man. and he prayed to god as a man. and he prayed to god as his father. and he said that we should pray to god as our father. the trinity is father son and holy spirit. father. the trinity is father son and holy spirit . and if you son and holy spirit. and if you start messing with and say start messing with that and say well, actually, i think we're instead father. so it was instead of father. so it was something like mother, sister and holy spirit. that's basically a different god , basically a different god, basically a different god, basically saying, we're basically saying, oh, we're making god we want him to be making up god. we want him to be you've changed then i think you've changed your then i think it's a significant think it's a very significant i think it's a very significant i think it's really crazy . i think it's it's really crazy. i think it's just a capitulation kind woke just a capitulation to kind woke non—christian as well on a non—christian ideal as well on a mountaintop was in the bible once in a while it creates okay that's the kind of question i was going ask really. martin, i mean, is this just a capitulate to woke nonsense? it's nothing to woke nonsense? it's nothing to do with waikerie at all. and it's to do with anything new. fangled i mean , jesus was a man, fangled i mean, jesus was a man, but we're talking about god here

. and there's never been suggestion in the bible or in christian teaching that god , a christian teaching that god, a male human being . and so i think male human being. and so i think that anything that helps to understand the nature of god better to transcends gender is helpful. and i think it's very important that we get away from giving the impression that somehow christians believe in this rather clumsy and lazy picture of god being an old man and a white man sitting on a cloud. that is not what we believe. why is and i'm just not the first page of the it says that god created humankind his image male and female he created them. it's very scriptural to think of as mother as well as. okay well on that point then, tim, that is quite interesting actually, because i spoke to a

catholic lay yesterday who was quite to me that god had god himself identified writing in the same way that sam smith done. and we now all have to respect sam smith's god had self identified a man and we must respect god's pronouns. but martin seems to be alluding to the fact that god has said they could be a man or , a woman. your could be a man or, a woman. your views, tim, is minefield. this views, tim, is a minefield. this well, i think that every time god is referenced the bible it's using male pronouns and of male language and that kind of thing. clearly they're all feminine characteristics. clearly, you're right god god is right to say that god as god is in the same way that humans . in the same way that humans. nevertheless, jesus obviously wasn't , is god as well. so wasn't, is god as well. so that's clear and i think the language matters here. think the language matters here. think the language of father is better than like parent. parent is , than like parent. parent is, somewhat impersonal, somewhat sort of distanced and the fatherhood is kind of like an important and something that we to recover and some need to carry on using. and i think a move away from that. so gender

kind of language that is wrong and will sort of diminish something about christianity, a deliberate attempt move away from the biblical language and the creedal language that we to all use for centuries. montaigne there a massive call to actually do this i can understand things change with the times when you've got burning pitchforks in the street and we need to do this now. society goes. yes. all right. we must move on. but actually, no one's really calling this all day. i that calling for this all day. i that there's a bit of confusion . i there's a bit of confusion. i don't anyone is saying we don't think anyone is saying we need to like ditch or should ditch all the language. i the fall, the metaphor . ditch all the language. i the fall, the metaphor. i think, you know , we very much want to keep know, we very much want to keep and i see that anyone saying we want to change the lord's prayer or anything like that. but i think that it is helpful to. say, first of all, as i say to give a better understanding to people who god is but also, i think it is very challenging for women and girls when they are

exploring faith and they come and god is presented to them as male, male as father, son and holy spirit . that male, male as father, son and holy spirit. that is very that that that is very challenging. and in respect of god, the creator , it's misleading . so creator, it's misleading. so i think it's i think it's i don't think it's i think it's i don't think it's i think it's i don't think it's anything to be afraid of. i do think it's as you all references come from the bible in terms of god as a kind of echoing the state with us. i was about to read out actually from the church anyway, which just saved me a job. so thank you very much. but you know, we could talk about this for a while longer, but i'm allowed because we at the end of the houn because we at the end of the hour. so have to have you hour. so i'll have to have you back both very, very thank back on both very, very thank you that is the head you very much. that is the head of policy, public policy at christine, tim de martino, belinda, who the vicar at st belinda, who is the vicar at st michael's and the michael's chiswick and also the chair the national campaign chair of the national campaign for equality the for gender equality in the church england. and the church of england. women and the church, a very long

church, which is a very long business i've got business community, and i've got loads make sure loads more coming way. make sure you turn over. we've got you don't turn over. we've got more that policy debate more on that death policy debate and woke nonsense

right? what a final hour. i've got lined up for you. ladies and gents, it's just gone. 5:00. you're with me. patrick christys right here on gb news. now, more on that breaking news in the last half our employees set last half our employees are set to a 2.9% pay rise. that's to get a 2.9% pay rise. that's starting from april. april the first, actually. so, you know , first, actually. so, you know, watch out. but they're bringing their overall salary from 84,144 quid to just over 86. now, i've got the independent parliamentary standards authority says it's the same as the average for public sector workers last year. we all know the massive this is about to see on all of this. so who better to

get on than a union? so i'll be talking to them very shortly. also this hour, vladimir putin has warned about bloodshed and military. basically world war three after issued us loven with volodymyr zelenskyy yesterday and talk of fighter jets being provided to ukraine, zelenskyy is currently rattling that can on a european tour trying to get more support . on a european tour trying to get more support. i'll be going live to donbas region as to ukraine's donbas region as well. to see how well. we're going to see how people getting on there people are getting on there and should bring the death should we bring back the death penalty to re deputy penalty need to re deputy charlie anderson. he's in favour of a rishi sunak. charlie anderson. he's in favour of a rishi sunak . well, he's of a rishi sunak. well, he's distanced himself. i'll take liam is this . nobody has liam logic. is this. nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed. and technically he's not wrong. there is a i'm asking what crimes do you think deserve the death penalty gets into email gbv at gb don't into email gbv at gb news don't k what do you mean by the death penalty? what crimes deserve ? penalty? what crimes deserve? the death penalty gbviews@gbnews.uk . okay, but gbviews@gbnews.uk. okay, but right now you have a lot .

right now you have a lot. patrick, thank you. good afternoon to you our top story, more than 19,000 people are now known to have died after monday's earthquakes in turkey and northern syria . around 70 and northern syria. around 70 members of the uk international search and rescue team have joined the effort to try to find people in the rubble . they people in the rubble. they tweeted to say they'd recently to rescue two women aged 60 and 90. hundreds of thousands of people have been left homeless in freezing conditions with the world health organisation warning many more could die without shelter. british charities are appealing for funds to help those affected by the disaster , with the uk the disaster, with the uk government saying it'll match to £5 million in public donations. now as you've just been hearing, members of parliament will a 2.9% pay increase from the 1st of april. that would their overall salary from around . overall salary from around. 84000 t 0 £86000 a overall salary from around. 84000 t o £86000 a year. the 84000 to £86000 a year. the independent parliamentary standards authority says the pay increase for mps was , the same

increase for mps was, the same as the average increase in pay for public sector employees . for public sector employees. last year . for public sector employees. last year. lancashire police say search for a missing mother of two, nicola has moved now towards sea. the force says it's searching further downstream where the river wyre becomes . where the river wyre becomes. officers have also had to issue a 48 hour dispersal order for sir on wyre after an abandoned house was reportedly searched by members of the public trying to solve the case for themselves and posting footage on social media. the 45 year old was last seen walking 13 days ago with dog by the river river, a serving metropolitan police officer has been charged with rape . pc jordan pascal was rape. pc jordan pascal was charged by essex police in with an allegation of non rape. the charge relates to an incident in 2009. he joined the force in 2012. since been suspended from duty and will appear in court in

march . a former labour mp has march. a former labour mp has been jailed four years after being found guilty of fraud committed whilst was in office. jared o'mara has been convicted of six counts of fraud after trying to claim around of six counts of fraud after trying to claim aroun d £52,000 trying to claim around £52,000 worth of taxpayers to fund a cocaine habit. the 41 year old who was an mp between 17 and 2019, was cleared . two other 2019, was cleared. two other charges by a jury at leeds crown court. judge calling the crime deliver it and dishonest saying the former mp abused his position . in the church of position. in the church of england's general synod will now give blessings to same sex couples in civil partnerships and marriages . that was the and marriages. that was the applause that greeted the decision to the motion, allowing same sex couples to attend services at anglican churches

receiving their god's blessing after a legal marriage ceremony . in a joint statement, the archbishop of canterbury and york said it had been a long road to this point. the position gay marriage however hasn't changed. same couples aren't allowed marry in church . allowed marry in church. ukraine's volodymyr zelenskyy has addressed an eu summit in brussels . he's been lobbying brussels. he's been lobbying leaders to provide more weapons to ukraine in the fight against which he's referred to the biggest anti european of the modern world. number ten says it won't send fighter jets to ukraine if that puts the uk at risk. the foreign defence secretaries are currently in rome meeting their italian counterparts to discuss ways of galvanising support for ukraine. the government's introduced new legislation that forces social housing landlords to damp and mould . our law comes force mould. our law comes force following the death of year old arab ishak , which was directly

arab ishak, which was directly caused by damp and mould in his home, managed by rochdale borough wide housing . the borough wide housing. the housing secretary michael gove's landlords who dragged their feet will face the full force . the will face the full force. the law now ambulance crews across england have improved their response times for reaching people who call nine nine you nhs england data shows paramedics reached emergencies such as attacks and strokes an hour quicker month than in december 2022. they took just over 32 minutes on average, compared more than 90 the month before. however the response time is still well above , the time is still well above, the target of 18 minutes. and lastly, burst burt bacharach, one of pop music's greatest ever composers , died at the age of composers, died at the age of 94. he hits, like i say a little prayer and walk on by as well as movie themes, including what's pussycat and the look of love. his publicist says , bacharach,

his publicist says, bacharach, died surrounded his family at home in los angeles on wednesday . it was gb news muniz in half an hour, seething . an hour, seething. all right. we'll get stuck in with a little bit of breaking news, shall we? which is that members of parliament will get a 2.9% pay increase from april the first. yeah. jokes from it themselves sometimes don't they. bringing their salary bringing their overalls salary from bringing their overalls salary fro m £84,144 to £86,584. the from £84,144 to £86,584. the independent parliamentary standard's authority, which sets the pay rate , said the 2.9% the pay rate, said the 2.9% increase for mps was the as the average increase in pay for pubuc average increase in pay for public sector employees last yeah public sector employees last year. but with so many struggling for the cost of living crisis, can the move really be justified? and well, realistically, this debate again

kind of writes itself doesn't . kind of writes itself doesn't. with me now is nick chaffey, who a critical sage, joined us at quite short notice . thank you quite short notice. thank you very much. nick, southern regional, organiser for the socialist nick, socialist party. nick, i mean, i think i can guess you're about to me, but employees to tell me, but should employees get a pay rise of 2.9? well you know when mps are demanding that workers are taking a pay cut at the present time , mps on the present time, mps on salaries currently are living in a different to world average worker at the present stage. i don't think anybody's going to be surprised by this, but i think will be very, very angry . think will be very, very angry. employees are workers just like anybody else and they have a job for a much shorter time. usually a much shorter period of time than people who go into something that's a proper it's a proper career. you get well, i mean teacher for 40 years or a nurse or doctor for 40 years, for example, of working on the railways, etc. so shouldn't be well paid for that time in

office, making massive decisions for the nation . well, i think for the nation. well, i think ultimately many of the people in the front line would argue, you know, they're not doing the kind ofjobs know, they're not doing the kind of jobs that keep people alive , of jobs that keep people alive, that run the country on a day to day basis. and if they're public servants , why don't they match servants, why don't they match their commitment to and the economy and live on the same wages as average worker in britain . when dave analyst, a britain. when dave analyst, a member of the socialist party, was mp in parliament before he was mp in parliament before he was expelled from the labour party, he as a worker, as mp on a worker's and i that's the tradition would be well supported by workers in parliament if we had genuine of ordinary of health workers ambulance workers, the factory workers in parliament they'd be doing a lot more to sort. workers in parliament they'd be doing a lot more to sort . yeah, doing a lot more to sort. yeah, but, but nick, they have the same rights as anybody else to stand for election. i mean, you argue that for that, the fact that we don't have more nurses or factory workers or people in

parliament their fault parliament is their fault because they're not getting elected they're bothering to elected they're not bothering to stand whereas mp. oh, stand for it. whereas mp. oh, so does not defeat argument. well, i think sadly for many people, labour no longer a party of the working class and of the trade union movement. the fact that keir starmer refuses to stand a picket line with striking workers at the moment doesn't workers at the moment doesn't workers great confidence that labouris workers great confidence that labour is fighting in interests. and i think , you know, many of and i think, you know, many of the arguments that we would make at the present time is if workers are going to have their voice heard in parliament, the trade unions should stand. candidates who will voice the needs working. let's just bring it back. let's just bring it back a little bit to the actual pace of the bigger picture elements. so we are not completely understand what you're now, but just you're saying now, but just in terms this announcement terms of this announcement today, today, today, the breaking news today, 2.9% is that increase . 2.9% is that pay increase. that's be, i think, that's going to be, i think, laughably april that's going to be, i think, laugfirsty april that's going to be, i think, laugfirst. but april that's going to be, i think, laugfirst. but they april that's going to be, i think, laugfirst. but they say april the first. but they say employers would say, well, look, this is just due to the

independent parliamentary standards authority. we i've got no say over this. and it's this it's very similar body to the one that is recommended ing the kind of pay rises that nurses have been offered. so realistically, that's just abiding by the same rules as the nurses, aren't they? shouldn't the what's been offered the nurses what's been offered by this independent. well, no, that's the point is that nurses made it clear and other public sector workers have made it clear, these independent pay review bodies are not independent. by independent. they're guided by the government tight the government, given a tight parameter of what they're prepared to offer . if parameter of what they're prepared to offer. if mps want to give a lead and show that they're committed levelling up, then as said, you know, they should be standing as representatives of ordinary , as representatives of ordinary, as pubuc representatives of ordinary, as public servants and match their commitment with the average wage that most people are on. let's remember what that is, that's just above 30 grand. that's the median average wage. if you're a low paid work. nick. nick, look , the uncomfortable make. the uncomfortable with this. my right is this , which is that for

right is this, which is that for a lot of people . okay. for a lot a lot of people. okay. for a lot of people who are on the lower wage and, this sounds like a horrible thing to say, but it's not they are not the calibre of individual and with the requisite intellects. they know of them. me out on this. of them. hear me out on this. some of them are not simply the kind of person who would be fit to be. mp so saying an mp to be. mp so saying that an mp exist average that would exist on that average that would just be like any was someone who's doing a much more skilled job to deliberately not be remunerated in the way that they should that job. i mean, should be for that job. i mean, that's i suppose that is just radical socialism, which is possibly what want us possibly what you want to. us well, no, not at all. i have much greater confidence in a nurse in this country than nurse run in this country than the currently got the shambles we currently got from the government that is destroying health service . i destroying the health service. i think the line think teachers in the front line providing a future for our children got a much greater understanding . those needs of understanding. those needs of those children than the current frontbench of the government is cutting funding to schools and to our education. so no, i wouldn't agree at all. i think

the working class in government would provide an immediate solution to these problems rather than continue promises massive abuses . and let's be massive abuses. and let's be blunt about this . you know, the blunt about this. you know, the economy is moving into an economic how can we all the employees that we currently have in parliament are capable of running our economy ? okay. running our economy? okay. alright, well, look, the figure is going to be around 86,584 quid for an mp. this is very final in just seconds. what would you pay an mp, the wage you would pay in empathy and then okay. i mean the argument got rather hazy but argument is you just get very average mp you would but get behind. yeah. but even more. nick jaffe, thank you very much. so the regional organiser for the socialist party, obviously do enjoy this kind of charge. there we go. kind of charge. but there we go. now breaking news that he's now is breaking news that he's going get 2.9% pay rise. lots going to get 2.9% pay rise. lots of on this. as you of mixed views on this. as you can quite people can imagine. quite a few people that they shouldn't get any pay rise whatsoever. and can rise whatsoever. and i can understand economic understand that in the economic climate anyway, sunak is

climate anyway, rishi sunak is now from the now distancing himself from the views the deputy tory party views of the deputy tory party chairman after backed the chairman today after backed the return death penalty. return of the death penalty. red wall anderson praised the wall mp lee anderson praised the policy grounds as 100% policy on the grounds as 100% success rate preventing success rate in preventing re—offend. yes, because they'd be seems , have the be dead. he seems, have the support of large swathes of the public. prime minister has public. the prime minister has clarified or clarified that. neither he or his government support the policy, could be out policy, but they could be out step public opinion because step with public opinion because yougov survey has found 52% of brits think the death penalty be reinstated in cases of multiple murder and 54% for people who are terrorists. who would gone on to kill. joining me now is ben harris. he's the chairman of the boe group, conservative tank. and he doesn't agree with the death penalty. ben, thank you very much. okay so you you disagree lee anderson do disagree with lee anderson do you . i look, it's you want. i do. and look, it's very unusual that i find myself essentially on the left of the conservative party or indeed the chairman or deputy chairman, but i think it's the focus of justice has so far the wrong way to focus on rehabilitation

rather than delivering justice for victims . i think that's for victims. i think that's really what lee anderson is speaking to there is a great sense in this country that justice isn't done to criminals . i think when it comes to the death penalty, i see that as a step too far. and i also see that as putting britain in a different as a nation whilst these things barbaric acts take place and should be condemned, i don't think you deal with them by lowering yourself to barbarity as well. and i also think prison should be a lot tougher. it should be a much harder experience and maybe a lot of people that would rather be dead than spend rest of their life in prison. so i would say to more whole of life orders. yes the prisons being a lot tougher, but no to the death sentence. what the what about the cost taxpayer ? we're the cost to the taxpayer? we're heanng the cost to the taxpayer? we're hearing about cost of hearing a lot about cost of living just sort of living crisis or just sort of rubbish socialist on earlier on and i mean, that's an argument, isn't it? you know, everyone's talking hating and talking in between hating and eating. get rid of it, eating. we could get rid of it, shave prisoners, our

shave a few prisoners, our taxpayers wage bill. no i don't think enough people go to prison and i don't think they go to prison for long enough. but i think there could be huge savings made in terms of what we provide to prisoners. as i say, i think especially for the most severe crimes should be a horrible place to go. there shouldn't be televisions there shouldn't be televisions there shouldn't be televisions there shouldn't be sky. there be all sorts luxuries that are currently going in prison should be drugs which are which are, you know, more prevalent in prisons or else in society. so i think things could be tightened up a, and costs could be cut. but i do think it's important that as a nation we invest justice. yes, there's a cost , justice. yes, there's a cost, but i think it's extremely important that the people of this country feel that justice is being done. this country feel that justice is being done . and for those is being done. and for those worst offenders we've just heard several cases in your in your recent news bulletin and think people want to see justice and they're willing to live in a country is willing to pay for that. country is willing to pay for that . yeah i've been asking

that. yeah i've been asking throughout the course of this show viewers what think show our viewers what they think and this and loads of and all of this and loads of people getting in touch in terms of the fact that certain crimes that a death that they would slap a death penalty on paedophilia rape they've murder for example they've said murder for example is it's thought. well one just in terms of the actual stats more over the course of the nafion more over the course of the nation supposedly 40% of britons support the death penalty . 10% support the death penalty. 10% are unsure. so you know, pretty split. okay. when it comes, conservative voters , then you'll conservative voters, then you'll not be surprised. and there's a more to support the death penalty, 58% apparently support the death penalty. if we're not going to have the death penalty , would you at all entertain the of some form of physical punishment in prisons instead ? punishment in prisons instead? no i don't like the idea of claim. it'sjust no i don't like the idea of claim. it's just my personal view . i claim. it's just my personal view. i don't like claim. it's just my personal view . i don't like the claim. it's just my personal view. i don't like the idea of any sort of guidance or in that way. i think it is important to make the case that in the united states, for example, where the death penalty does take place in, certain states that cost is

far higher than the average prisoner . far higher than the average prisoner. there are so many legal cases attached and it's not the that it's a money saving operation . so i be much, much operation. so i be much, much tougher on prisons and justice than than this conservative party has been or actually really any previous conservative government has . really any previous conservative government has. but i wouldn't extend the death penalty . and i extend the death penalty. and i think the problem is that we have dominic grieve come and speak to the baby when they were going into the general election, he was shadow justice secretary. he said we're going to be tough on crime, but we're not we're going to cut the prisons budget and. very obvious what going to cut the prisons budget and.going very obvious what going to cut the prisons budget and.going to ery obvious what going to cut the prisons budget and.going to happen.yus what going to cut the prisons budget and.going to happen. they1at going to cut the prisons budget and.going to happen. they were was going to happen. they were to more and more to be letting more and more criminals of that prison. criminals out of that prison. thought it has gone down and the crime up since 2010. so crime rate is up since 2010. so i it needs to be invested in we need to get tougher on crime, but far as the death. but not as far as the death. yeah, interesting. very but not as far as the death. yeah, iben. sting. very but not as far as the death. yeah, iben. always very but not as far as the death. yeah, iben. always a very but not as far as the death. yeah, iben. always a pleasure to much, ben. always a pleasure to talk about quinney, who talk to you about quinney, who is the chairman of the boe group conservative think tank just responding lee

responding actually to what lee anderson on anderson was saying earlier on is that you said they would be against death penalty a against the death penalty is a fascinating discussion. yeah fascinating discussion. and yeah i know you if i do want to know from you if you favour of it, you are in favour of it, what particular crimes news .uk particular crimes gb news .uk andrew has on, for example, says if we're not prepared to reinstate the death penalty, then we must put in prison for life. otherwise doesn't mean life. otherwise doesn't mean life kind echoing what was life kind of echoing what was saying really. do saying there really. and i do think the death think people think the death penalty argument raises head penalty argument raises its head when do not feel as when people do not feel as though we are tough enough on criminals. okay so when they feel jihadists can feel as though jihadists can crimes back out on crimes and then get back out on the people them the streets, people want them killed. rapists or, killed. they that rapists or, for a four or for example can get a four or five year sentence, then be back out there, want them killed. so maybe were tougher on people maybe if were tougher on people giving sentences and giving them longer sentences and give conditions give them worse conditions prison then the penalty prison then the death penalty argument would reduce but only 10,000 little bit. ukrainian president story has been in unrelated story has been in brussels today appealing for more support from eight eu countries. in a speech to european council, he told leaders that europe's freedom depends on ukraine and that his troops were defending you in a historic battle with russia,

showing yesterday's visit to the uk is first the russian uk is first since the russian invasion zelenskyy renewed calls for received positive for the and received positive signals from his western allies. rishi sunak did say nothing is off table when it comes to off the table when it comes to sending fighter jets, but that the first step will be to train the first step will be to train the ukrainian pilots. defence secretary wallace also spoke secretary ben wallace also spoke out, confirming will be no immediate transfer of uk jets to ukraine so slightly messages russia while lashed out of it they they've basically said that zelenskyy was pompous for coming over here and continuing to rattle the can all over europe on some kind of big jets or and putin is threatening a strong response if the uk does send jets. that strong response, by the way, is world three. so it doesn't get to much stronger than that, does it? but joining me now the former nato me now is the former nato commander former ministry of commander and former ministry of defence parry. defence general is chris parry. thank you very much, chris. people concerned that if people are concerned that if zelenskyy gets he wants and we send jets over there, then putin will go nuclear . your thoughts ? will go nuclear. your thoughts? well, he's not going to nuclear.

it's not worth his while . a it's not worth his while. a regional conflict. you save your nuclear weapons. existential crises. this bad wolf has been huffing and puffing for quite some time now. and people should ignore him. when we ramp the scale a bit, the other issue is we're not going to send ukraine, f—355 we're not going to send ukraine, f—35s and typhoon . they couldn't f—35s and typhoon. they couldn't really get into the fight soon enough. what i suspect the government's going to do is shop around for some f—16s , mig 20 around for some f—16s, mig 20 nines, things like that , and nines, things like that, and upgrade them with avionics and missile systems. i think we need to listen very carefully to what rishi sunak said. they're investing in the air force in the long term, which suggests it's going to take a good while to get these aircraft into ukraine. yeah, chris, i mean , ukraine. yeah, chris, i mean, just given the fact that it is going to take quite while and given the fact that conflict such as these can often be back and forth and tit for tat and stalemate and rumble on for years. does the british taxpayer just now that just have to accept now that

billions billions of pounds billions and billions of pounds every for the foreseeable every single for the foreseeable future going to be sent to future is going to be sent to ukraine? no, i think we've all got to get used to the fact that the line right now is a front doon the line right now is a front door. ukraine is fighting the battle. russia would like to bnng battle. russia would like to bring to us if it could. i'm frankly, they are dying in their numbers right now so that we don't have to. so, frankly , a don't have to. so, frankly, a few billion supporting is nothing compared to the sacrifice the rest of europe is going to have to make if russia gets its way over ukraine and then starts its power westward . then starts its power westward. i've got some concern that russia sunak might get caught up in a kind of personal psychodrama against boris johnson, who does not want to be outshone by boris, who initially owned ukraine, russia and let the world let europe somewhat argue the world, the defence and doesn't want to be outdone by him. no zelenskyy started by saying look please us some resources please us with sanctions refugees please us

some fighting equipment. then it became tanks. then it became jets . at what point does it jets. at what point does it become troops and don't get a vote on it? richie stewart says yes. so we just want to look bad compared boris. no, i think compared to boris. no, i think i think it's quite a clear distinction. patrick the fact of life is without boris johnson , life is without boris johnson, ukraine would be on its knees now. the uk was the first to come into the fight and help the ukrainians they acknowledge ukrainians and they acknowledge . you know you don't have if . but you know you don't have if you a war you have to you start a war you have to finish it. sunak if he's careful will carefully calibrate the support that he's being given by the uk to ukraine and will end up in a situation where there is sufficient need . it will be sufficient need. it will be provided by the british taxpayer and the british armed forces . and the british armed forces. right now, the ukrainians are facing the prospect of a major assault by the russians at some stage in the next three weeks. they to be able to resist that and survive . that's why tanks and survive. that's why tanks are being put in. that's why aircraft are readied and people being trained to actually

counter the russian air. because make no mistake , russians will make no mistake, russians will have learnt from their mistakes last year and will combine more of their capability to overwhelm ukrainians. chris, thank you very much always a pleasure. chris parry , that is former chris parry, that is former ministry of defence director general and former nato also knows his own news when it comes to our stuff. what do you make of that? everybody go with patrick christys on gb news. and coming up the latest on nicola foley, the for the foley, the search for the missing has moved further missing mother has moved further down river near down stream at the river near where vanished. search teams where she vanished. search teams are to you've are now looking to say you've got way and got loads coming your way and much more make sure that much much more make sure that you stay .

to okay so the search area where police are looking for missing nicola bailey has been widened and the morecambe bay coastline is now being scoured . it's been

is now being scoured. it's been nearly two weeks since the mother of two disappeared and the are explore the police are explore within new boundaries of specialist diving brought in by the diving team brought in by the family to help find found no trace let's get an update now from gb news is north of england. reporter sophie reaper who is in not and on sea sophia , the latest, please . well the , the latest, please. well the sun sets here on day 14 in lancashire of the search for nicola bowie . police still have nicola bowie. police still have no answers. they confirmed earlier that the search had now moved the area where they believe nicola was last seen to further down the river. now earlier today police boats were seen here at the mouth of the river between fleetwood and not and on sea, as you say where i am stood this evening. this is where the river meets the irish she now yesterday search team sgi . i pulled out of the search sgi. i pulled out of the search for the mother of two with the found piece of folding, saying he believes they've done everything they can do and that

she is categorically not in the part of the river where. they have search now, of course , the have search now, of course, the theory that nicola went into the river has been disputed by her friends and family. they said things like there's no evidence that she went in, that she was a strong swimmer. but despite that, lancashire police continue to search in the river. they've now moved down in order to try and find answers to the question what has happened to nicola bully yes indeed. look you very, very much. sophie sophie reaper there. that's our own north—west of reports. the mystery continue is too deep and doesn't say so important when it to nicola. but interesting that the police have had to issue dispersal orders for people who've been going the scene famous now famous ban scene that famous now famous ban treaty went through was supposed have missing to . stop them have gone missing to. stop them taking pictures and stop searching stuff. searching themselves and stuff. it really out the worst of it just really out the worst of us, doesn't it, when these happen? unfortunately, happen? but yes, unfortunately, still no of nicola. now, still no sign of nicola. now, moving on, bacharach, one of the

greatest songwriter of the 20th century, has died aged the century, has died aged 94. the composer and songwriter behind some time classics such as i say a little prayer and range drops keep falling on my head died yesterday at his los angeles home. natural causes record producer pete waterman joins . me producer pete waterman joins. me now. pete thank you very, very much. a sad loss for the music industry . well, one of the industry. well, one of the greats, you know, one of the last great songwriters of the 20th century is gone. i mean , he 20th century is gone. i mean, he , along with his partner wrote some of the classic songs of all time. and they were inspiration for us all, really, including the beatles songs like moments say so little close to you i mean, unbelievable songs . what mean, unbelievable songs. what made him so special, do you think? it was his ability to just tap into the public's psyche and just know what a hit was. yeah i mean, he was a great musician . of course, he wasn't musician. of course, he wasn't a lyricist . how that was

lyricist. how that was a lyricist. how that was a lyricist. but i mean , the lyricist. but i mean, the melodies, his arrangements and melodies, his arrangements and melodies were absolutely classic. yeah and just so catchy that of right mixture, i think wasn't of actually really kind of moving music. but at the same time , well, being catchy enough time, well, being catchy enough and relatively simplistic, if you'll forgive me for saying that simplicity off to get in the hands of big air worms of people and didn't really make him seem much like him any more. when you look at the charts, these are naff, aren't these days are all naff, aren't they? well, they've different. you know, there's not you know, i mean, there's not saying, burt saying, you couldn't have a burt bacharach. you would bacharach. now just you would need songs differently. i need to songs differently. i mean , these are guys locked mean, these are two guys locked away write the song. now away to write the song. now you've got eight writers and you know, book. know, it's not the same book. you know , and we lost burt you know, and we lost burt bacharach's . you know, and we lost burt bacharach's. i don't think so. i think somebody will pop up, but i can't see them on the horizon at the moment. no. and that is unfortunate as well as say and of course, you i've been around the music industry for a very very, very long time. if don't mind me saying and what would

what sorry about when burt bacharach song would would emerge as something those lines. what do you just know. right we've got to try and get our hands like this. hands on something like this. they have magic they just have the magic touch. yeah, i, you know, i mean, you know he's melodies sound easy, but everything sounds easy until try it. but then, of course, there's very fine line genius and that. and he never went, no, no no. thank you very much. appreciate you giving us your time? and also coming to us, it says that from chester as well, which is my neck of the woods. they know i might bump into a farmers at some point as the wonderful it was that just wonderful it was then that just didn't passing of didn't seem to the passing of course of bacharach passed away at age of four. the world at the age of four. the world renowned and composer renowned song and composer writes, you're with me patrick christys on gb news. now, new figures show that moon just committed with a knife up 20. shocking figures out when it emerges as well that the highest increase is amongst 16 to 18

year olds will get full rise to that very, very shortly . but that very, very shortly. but first, it is your latest headunes. first, it is your latest headlines . patrick, thank you. headlines. patrick, thank you. the top stories, more . 19,000 the top stories, more. 19,000 people are known to have lost their lives after monday's in southern turkey and syria. around 70 members of the uk international search and rescue team have joined the effort to try to find survivors in the rubble. they tweeted to say they'd recently managed to rescue two women aged 60 and 90. and british charities are appealing for funds to help those affected by the disaster. with the uk government saying it'll match to £5 million in pubuc it'll match to £5 million in public donations , members of public donations, members of parliament will get a 2.9% paying parliament will get a 2.9% paying rise from the 1st of april. that would bring their salary from around 84,000 a year to 86. the independent parliamentary standards authority says , the pay increase authority says, the pay increase for employees was the same as the average increase in pay

pubuc the average increase in pay public sector employees last . public sector employees last. ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy has addressing an eu summit in brussels. he's been lobbying leaders to provide more weapons to ukraine in the fight against russia which he's referred to as biggest anti european force the modern world. number says it won't send fighter jets to the country if it puts the at risk . the it puts the at risk. the applause, the greeted the church of england's general today as there now to give blessings to same sex couples in civil partnerships and marriages . partnerships and marriages. they'll be able to attend services at anglican churches, including receiving a blessing after a legal marriage ceremony in joint statement, the archbishop of canterbury and york said it had been a long road to get to this point . but road to get to this point. but the position on gay marriage hasn't changed. same sex couples still on to actually in church . still on to actually in church. lancashire police say their search for the missing mother of

two nicola pulley has moved now towards the coast. the force says they are now searching further down where the river wyre becomes tidal. officers have also issued a 48 hour disperse order for st michael's on wyre after . an disperse order for st michael's on wyre after. an abandoned house was reportedly by members of the public . the 45 year old of the public. the 45 year old mother of two was last seen 30 days ago walking her dog along the river. and as you've been hearing, burt bacharach , one of hearing, burt bacharach, one of p0p hearing, burt bacharach, one of pop music's greatest ever composers, has died at the age of 94. he wrote hits, like i say a little prayer walk on by, as well as movie themes, including what's new pussycat and the look of love. his publicist says he died surrounded by his family at his home in los angeles on wednesday . those are the latest wednesday. those are the latest news . i'm back wednesday. those are the latest news. i'm back in wednesday. those are the latest news . i'm back in about half wednesday. those are the latest news. i'm back in about half.

okay, welcome back, everybody. now, loads of you've been getting into it with your thoughts on pay rise. yes. it hits us a little bit by surprise that when it broke, when we were on air earlier on and people are going to get a 2.9% pay rise, taking a salary up to a cool a cool 86 and a half thousand pounds a year. of course the you can well now very can expenses as well now very much. well more than two sides to this really frankly because people for job people saying well for the job that do the pressures that they do and the pressures that they do and the pressures that to go under and that they have to go under and the they maybe only the fact that they maybe only have job a few years in have a for job a few years in that sense as well all that stuff the loss of a lot of privacy and social media and of that, that's not huge that, maybe that's not a huge amount money. to amount of money. we want to enfice amount of money. we want to entice the and the entice the best and the brightest, the biggest minds that can. those are that we possibly can. those are the kind people who can go in the kind of people who can go in there in the city there at half bone in the city with their only show. actually, if you're going if you decide that you're going to end up paying them 30 grand instead. like we had a chap, the socialist party earlier, but

socialist party on earlier, but you up with a load of you just end up with a load of bang steakhouse beef, bang average steakhouse beef, says give themselves says mpc, to give themselves into they to into the pay rise. they claim to be democratic, but ignore the electorate on illegal immigration cost of immigration net zero cost of living else. this living and everything else. this is the i would go is the angle that i would go off. but actually when it comes to not giving employees a pay rise they actually rise is, all they are actually doing job the minute. doing a decent job the minute. well, would argue really well, i would argue not really when at fact that the when you look at fact that the country in financial ruin. country is in no financial ruin. i don't want to be and gloom but well all rosy the well it's not all rosy the garden financially, is it. and when it does to things that when it does come to things that people really care, they're people really do care, they're not well on not doing particularly well on ehhen not doing particularly well on either. yes, i either. oh, they say, yes, i would maybe it's a little would that maybe it's a little bit toned of the mp bit toned deaf of the mp to accept a rise in the accept a pay rise in the current. james says this just shows how out of touch our government is. say there government is. they say there isn't money in, pot isn't enough money in, the pot for rise in many of the for a pay rise in many of the pubuc for a pay rise in many of the public sectors, including nurses who front lines, who are on the front lines, saving but they give saving lives. but they can give themselves joke look themselves more was a joke look completely that argument by completely get that argument by the completely get that and i the i completely get that and i think the optics this are terrible. couple of points they say independent but say it's an independent but it is independent that

is an independent body that decides rise. they decides that pay rise. they could it, be could still rejects it, to be fair. so that james and fair. so there is that james and just when it comes the pay rise the public sector they're offering nothing offering absolutely nothing i completely that it's completely understand that it's nowhere nurses want, nowhere near what nurses want, nowhere near what nurses want, nowhere of nowhere near what a lot of members of rail community members of our rail community want. being offered want. they're not being offered and they are being offered in many cases way above 2.9, although it's nowhere near around the 5% above inflation or something like that, that nurses . i take your point, james, and yes, i the optics of this are pretty bad and employees, of course, opening themselves up now of criticism from now for a load of criticism from people middle of a cost people in the middle of a cost of crisis when and of living crisis when nurses and members of different unions are going on strike that's going to point at them now and go you're already on loads of money and you're giving yourself more you're giving yourself even more money. maybe the money. rick says maybe if the unions of the pay unions took note of the pay rise of around 2% and accepted the same, then there wouldn't be as many people. well, many striking people. well, there many there wouldn't be as many striking of striking people because of pretty been offered pretty much already been offered around they around 2% increase. so they would that and they would would accept that and they would get back to, wouldn't they? it's a because. how

a difficult topic because. how do what a nurse does do you equate what a nurse does with what an mp does? and i think there's a lot of grey area here because what the always do is you always well what is you always go, well what about that nurse on a chemo ward or saving people's lives or a paramedic those people paramedic yeah and those people incredibly . incredibly valuable. unfortunately tend to be unfortunately they do tend to be towards end of the pay towards lower end of the pay scale, but you look at well train about 60 grand a train drivers about 60 grand a yeah train drivers about 60 grand a year. are they still unions? they are. they're not giving the working to pay rise that working people to pay rise that they deserve. well, okay. but is it driver is on, roughly it train driver is on, roughly speaking about 65 a year speaking about 65 grand a year and mp now is to be on and an mp now is going to be on 86,000. think that's a fare 86,000. i think that's a fare differential, isn't between those two jobs. maybe i'm wrong. gb views that gbnews.uk moving on now . shocking figures today on now. shocking figures today show number people killed show the number people killed with a knife in england and wales at its highest level in wales is at its highest level in 76 figures from the 76 years. figures from the office , national statistics show office, national statistics show four in ten murders were committed using a knife or sharp objects in the year 2021 to march 2022. that's up by almost 20, but more . the largest

20, but more. the largest increase was teenage boys aged between 16 and 17, rising from ten deaths to 24 deaths. joining me now is lorraine jones, who is founder of the duane simpson foundation . thank you very, very foundation. thank you very, very much. and if you don't mind, would you mind just maybe telling our viewers know, listeners a little bit about why you all so passionate about this topic ? thank you for having me, topic? thank you for having me, patrick. this evening. gosh, my passionate is comes out of great devastation and i lost my son, duane simpson to knife crime in 2014. it's shredded heart and changed my whole life and my family . duane was killed by a family. duane was killed by a sword . he saved a young boy from sword. he saved a young boy from being harmed . when i watched the being harmed. when i watched the cctv but patrick, i to watch it ten times because i couldn't believe that my son stood the

middle of his heart and out pleading with the guy and the guy took out a sword. it was just one job wound that went right . my son's heart just one job wound that went right. my son's heart. he died two days later at king's hospital in london. he was on the life support machine . he the life support machine. he died saving this boy's life. and it was a sort . died saving this boy's life. and it was a sort. oh, my gosh. i mean, it's just such a horrendous horrendous story. i'm just so sorry for you and all family and of course, your son as well. what's your reaction then, when you look now, the never increase that more knife offences that in the last 76 years young especially 16 and 17 who of mostly boys let's be honest mostly boys getting. what's your reaction to that. what's your reaction to that. what's your message to them . what's your message to them. it's absolute heart wrenching and horrifying and the aim was 20 when he was killed. and this

was 2014 with i've campaigning relentlessly this other parents i've lost their children to knife crime . duane started a knife crime. duane started a boxing called dynamics and i've been keeping not going we have loads of lads coming through doors instead of he knives, they pick out gloves and a box in a way in a positive , safe way in a positive, safe environment . when i look at the environment. when i look at the figures now , it just echoes the figures now, it just echoes the emergency the state of emergency that we're in in working more jointly with the police with the families with schools we've community leaders and communities not leaving out the churches and the faith groups . churches and the faith groups. we're talking about young boys between the age of 16 and 18. they should be in education,

education or working . what's education or working. what's happening to them ? you don't happening to them? you don't just wake one day and pick up knife. there has to be some form of record, of some faith lens neglects which have got them to the stage where they come within knives and kill with them. so one needs to be a lot more intervention. yeah. look what do you think it is, lorraine ? a you think it is, lorraine? a load of things get bandied about. people blame social media and people also blame things in the home sometimes as well. of course , if those people have not course, if those people have not had a particularly odd now, what would you say? no well, normal home life or upbringing sometimes a very destructive upbringing that can maybe your moral compass. a lot of faith and people moving away from religion and towards more of a godless existence . i would say godless existence. i would say the pull of gangs and fast, quick money, what the cause of all of this stuff . i can you

all of this stuff. i can you what i've been told and i've spoken to a number of young people and i go into prisons as well . the root of it is poverty. well. the root of it is poverty. one in money, one in it. quick to keep up with the cost of living . since we've gone into living. since we've gone into this cost of living crisis , the this cost of living crisis, the numbers have gone up of robberies. when they're going out to rob they a weapon the easiest weapon for them to get is a knife , not a gun. so we is a knife, not a gun. so we need to really look at the social and economic factors with families and young people. how we helping them . just last week we helping them. just last week when i was on my way doing shopping shopping for project because we have a soup in support project, i was sent up a young boy stopped me and was begging he was begging for a pound.i begging he was begging for a pound . i was startled because he

pound. i was startled because he had a school uniform on him. i said to , what are you doing of said to, what are you doing of school? he then a meltdown. he said, i'm trying to raise school? he then a meltdown. he said, i'm trying to rais e £5 said, i'm trying to raise £5 mace, because if i don't bring this money today. i'm going to be beaten up. when he said beaten patrick, all i saw was my crime because not using their fists. now they're taken . knives fists. now they're taken. knives and knives, knife a walk. so i said to myself, how many young people are in debt . i know that people are in debt. i know that the government is looking families how they can keep up with their electricity and gas . with their electricity and gas. but we need to pay to our kids what they got themselves into . what they got themselves into. they i'm going violence. this is this is it . they i'm going violence. this is this is it. lorraine, thank you very, very much . i could talk to very, very much. i could talk to you all day. not evening about this. and i do have to talk to you again soon. i really appreciate you coming on and sharing your story. it must be an incredibly thing go an incredibly thing to go through and all luck to you.

that's the range that i found out of the duane simpson foundation. just talk about the shocking knife crime stats and sure, people. we are sure, you people. we are shocking stats all the time. these stats are actually genuinely shocking. genuinely very, very shocking. the of knife crime the highest level of knife crime and homicides in 76 years. and knife homicides in 76 years. moving on now, former prime minister johnson has minister boris johnson has declared nearly minister boris johnson has declared nearly £4.8 million in earnings since resigning as prime minister last september. so bojo , as supposedly coined in so bojo, as supposedly coined in nearly million big since nearly million big ones since leaving the office of . prime leaving the office of. prime minister, it's amazing that anyone thinks he wants to go back isn't said some would say as well why on earth would he want to go about when he can earn that amount of money? there's also been news the there's also been news in the last hour of parliament last hour that of parliament will get a 2.9% pay increase from april the first, bringing will get a 2.9% pay increase fronoverallthe first, bringing will get a 2.9% pay increase fronoverallthe firsfrom nging from april the first, bringing the overall salary fro m £84,000 the overall salary from £84,000 to talking to 86 and a half. we're talking a about that. with me is a lot about that. with me now is edwina currie , former edwina currie, former conservative prime minister. edwina, first and foremost, bofis edwina, first and foremost, boris johnson is doing quite well for himself. public prime minister, so as to promote that

he massively then sorry anyway . he massively then sorry anyway. no, i'm not sorry. actually, he could have got away anyway. bofis could have got away anyway. boris johnson 5 billion quid. i well , boris johnson 5 billion quid. i well, indeed. and boris johnson 5 billion quid. i well , indeed. and two boris johnson 5 billion quid. i well, indeed. and two and a half million of that. he hasn't earned. yet because that speech was signing an exclusive contra with one of america's biggest speaking . so he's on website speaking. so he's on website alongside barack obama and the clintons and also some important people . and, of course, he was people. and, of course, he was born in new york. so he'll do very nicely out of that. i suspect, patrick, that some of this came about without that any kind of planning. you know what? let me just speculate. one of the one of the mentions that bloomberg in singapore said bloomberg's phoned his office and said , we'd like boris to and said, we'd like boris to speak in singapore . and boris's speak in singapore. and boris's said, you should really want to go posh , send for about 200,000, go posh, send for about 200,000, so make it 250,000. and bloomberg and come back said no, that's fine. we'll see you and the gap is exactly some people

tiny positions just on this edwin and i'm sorry we're all going to be quite short and sweet on this apologies. but the only day the people are boris he's just this incredibly man. he doesn't a toss the he doesn't give a toss the electorate all this. well electorate and all this. well fact that he's still an mp and keeps apparently anyway just desperate back into downing desperate to back into downing street. mean he'd be taking street. i mean he'd be taking walk a half million walk four and a half million pound a year pay if he decided to come back. i mean there was they've that he must they've said that he must actually he he is not desperate to get back into downing street he can't it i've kept saying that he have he could have contested again against rishi sunak's back. i think you have enough letters and he decided not to because was the calculation. exactly patrick that he did that he can earn but not commit ten times as much, far more than that when he's an minister and a bit of a hero and champion for freedom is what it says on that website as well. exactly. you know, if he's

decided to let carrie redecorate one of their houses and goodness gracious me, he's going to have to earn a lot more than five and a million quid is the odd a half million quid is the odd way. thank you very much. great to you on the show. i'll to have you on the show. i'll talk to you again. say it as a way to carry that forward. cabinet minister right. lee lee anderson waves as he anderson has caused waves as he backed return of the death backed the return of the death penalty. certainly was sympathetic it anyway. sympathetic towards it anyway. red anderson praised red wall mp lee anderson praised policy that it policy on the grounds that it has a success in has a 100% success rate in preventing rare offending rishi sunak, distanced sunak, of course, has distanced himself polls himself to it, but the polls those are split on it. those against are split on it. joining me now is how many international security and control thank very control expert henry thank very much, would hang much, patrick. would you hang him, depends who him, flog him? it depends who they they've done. no, they are what they've done. no, look, you know, we've had we have this this discussion every few years, every decade or . so few years, every decade or. so something happens, something triggers something . and have triggers something. and we have this quite , rightly this discussion quite, rightly so. and well done for italy for bringing up. it's great to bringing this up. it's great to have somebody in the house of commons who speaks frankly, speaks mind in a reasonable way.

people can agree or disagree. so good. people can agree or disagree. so good . we're having this good. we're having this conversation. i think there is a question behind this. and on you know, i was in the green. you were talking about knife crime. yes. it's just knife yes. but it's not just knife crime. think you know what crime. i think you know what sympathy for that sympathy there is out for that position that we the death penalty is , partly because our penalty is, partly because our justice system simply isn't meting out examination. the people , these offenders feel as people, these offenders feel as though they're not getting justice, just looking clarity. what what what crimes would you bnng what what what crimes would you bring about the death penalty for? well, i think, you know, there's also the issues. in the past, there have been miscarriages of justice, partner on technology that's been on the technology that's been a forensic that's been forensic technology that's been available. more available. you know, more recently that. recently as has proven that. now, thing is that if you now, the thing is that if you look at something lee look at something like lee rigby's, all videoed, rigby's, which is all videoed, there is no dispute whatsoever as what happened, how it happened and who did it. you you know, there is a case, i think know, there is a case, i think know a legitimate case to say , know a legitimate case to say, look, these people really you know what, we put them up at

taxpayers expense. there is no question whatsoever. there's no we're not this on we're we're not basing this on we're not basing it on any such thing as law. and is as law. and there is a conversation perhaps to be had around that. have some around that. and i have some sympathy that. i also some sympathy with that. i also some sympathy with that. i also some sympathy who sympathy with those people who argue like david argue that perhaps like david carrick . it's just been carrick. it's just been sentenced for 32 years for 24 rapes and he was a police he was in a position of trust . now, we in a position of trust. now, we need to make sure that people like that are for it far more . like that are for it far more. he he's just got one and a half years for each rape. i'm sorry. but as a police officer, if you're a former police officer, if you're if we should have thrown a book at him and he should never , ever, ever come should never, ever, ever come out of just giving them what they want, though a lot of people who do go on to commit heinous crimes, kill themselves. they there they they want a way out. there they are. you know fine, but they will go through, put them in solitary they will suffer. solitary and they will suffer. part of the other problem is that for people, our that for such people, our prisons are questionably difficult for them. they should be more harsh. this regime that

they go through , they should they go through, they should suffer for crime. and the problem is that the public don't perceive that they are suffering . and than that potential . and worse than that potential offenders think they get they get lightly. emily, thank you very much. we squeeze a bit there, but as henry bolton, though, is in social and border expert rob, next is dewbs & co expert rob, next is dewbs& co he's michelle dewberry who is here in the studio. michel, great to see you. what's going on? hello, patrick. listen just caught the very tail end of one of your interviews with that lady that was talking about knife crime. i couldn't believe my when she saying my ears when she was saying that. reasons for an that. one of the reasons for an increase in knife crime between amongst teenagers is the cost of living. yeah what outgoings does a 16 year old have. well is saying now i know, but to be honest, michel, it's quite difficult isn't it. sometimes pick because blessing you know she's lost a son and stuff and you want to kind of seem you don't want to kind of seem like people up like you're picking people up but exactly you mean was but i get exactly you mean i was thinking the same thing and you know actually a lot of the time

as well people at it and as well people do look at it and go well what kind of home life. how on can it be that how on earth can it be that people able are able to people are able kids are able to go on street, get go out on the street, get a knife and where do the parents think they are at 11:00 at night? yeah. all these kids who are 13 and 14 years old getting stabbed 1:00 stabbed and they're out at 1:00 in the morning. what's on? in the morning. what's going on? i and as a mom to i know. and tell you as a mom to a boy and little one, it's a boy and a little one, it's worrying you. do you just want your kids to be able to go out and about and be safe? so, of course, to lady for the loss course, to the lady for the loss of son. but do have be of her son. but we do have be realistic about what's causing some if indeed we are to some of this if indeed we are to tackle anyway. that's not tackle it anyway. that's not what i'm about on my what i'm talking about on my show. i couldn't help but show. but i couldn't help but comment because just listening to there, to albert back there, lots coming show. found coming up in my show. i found that conversation the that last conversation about the death fascinate. i want death penalty fascinate. i want to pick that up as well. and how many allowed many kids should be allowed to claim for? it come claim child for? should it come off at two or just ongoing as many as want? you can a many as you want? you can have a football same, it? yes. football same, could it? yes. there go. a can pay for there you go. a can pay for a football team, michel, thank you very much. on dewbs& co be up

next, one of the rip roaring looks. thank you, everybody who's and i'll be who's been tweeting. and i'll be back tomorrow p.m. back again tomorrow at 3 pm. right now, it's your right now, though, it's your weather. again. it's aidan weather. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern from the met office. bright of us this bright blue for many of us this afternoon having cleared the earlier and drizzle in the south. but far north here south. but in the far north here we've got strong winds and some heavy showers those houses in the of scotland through the north of scotland through the north of scotland through the the next the rest of the day. the next weather is approaching. weather front is approaching. that's to that's actually going to bring milder , albeit cloudier milder, albeit cloudier weather as into weekend. but for as we head into weekend. but for the being , cloud clearing the time being, cloud clearing the time being, cloud clearing the south, bright blue skies for a time across england and then clear spells overnight that will allow temperatures to fall away in the south. meanwhile, for northern england, north wales, scotland ireland, scotland and northern ireland, a lot some lot more cloud here. some outbreaks rain mainly outbreaks of rain mainly focussed western scotland focussed across western scotland of ireland and a keen of northern ireland and a keen breeze keeping temperatures up in figures so in the mid—single figures so frost in the north but in frost free in the north but in the south widely below zero and as low as minus celsius in some sheltered spots as we start friday. so another cold starts across southern parts of the uk, but a bright start and we keep the sunny spells in southeast

dunng the sunny spells in southeast during the afternoon elsewhere a lot of cloud arrives that cloud thick enough to give us a few spots of rain over exmoor . the spots of rain over exmoor. the welsh mountains, north—west england but most persistent england. but the most persistent rain be across western rain will be across western scotland. cloud breaking scotland. some cloud breaking up for that's for northeast scotland. that's where warmest will be where the warmest will be on friday afternoon, 12 celsius. and going be a mild day and it's going to be a mild day for all of us with a lot of cloud and a coming in from the southwest that's going to be gusting the hills of gusting over the hills of england scotland during england and scotland during friday afternoon and evening can be tricky. travelling conditions as we start off half term in many places. but for actually overnight temperatures as we begin the weekend , not going to begin the weekend, not going to begin the weekend, not going to be particularly cold a touch of frost is possible where we get some cloud breaks overnight in the south but for most it's a milder start to saturday compared with recent mornings andifs compared with recent mornings and it's a mild day compared with recent mornings, albeit with recent mornings, albeit with a lot of cloud cover and some outbreaks of rain in scotland. sunday looks very similar as well.