thanks to nigel for a brilliant show live from luton , it's 8:00 show live from luton, it's 8:00 and this is mark dolan between and this is mark dolan between and nine in my big opinion, we now live in lawless britain. who could blame tory mp lee anderson for wanting to bring back caphal for wanting to bring back capital, punish ment.7 we need a culture in which criminals are afraid that they will be caught and afraid of the consequences. we'll also debate that later in the show should we bring back capital punishment . what's your capital punishment. what's your view? market gbnews.uk k plus tonight as chiefs caused a storm

banning the song de lyla is stifling political correctness and censorship destroying creativity ? we'll be joined live creativity? we'll be joined live on the program by elton john's lyricist , with whom he's on the program by elton john's lyricist, with whom he's had a string of hits . gary osborne, string of hits. gary osborne, who is deeply worried about the future of music. plus, we'll get gary's to the sad death of burt bacharach . meanwhile, there are bacharach. meanwhile, there are a new free speech concerns as pubs could be forced to hire bouncers to police, boozy or offensive chats under new laws and gets arrested for banter with your mates down the pub . with your mates down the pub. more evidence that the world has gone mad. we'll get reaction from the founder of the free speech union, toby young . plus, speech union, toby young. plus, the producer of a shocking gb news documentary joins , us to news documentary joins, us to discuss the horrors , scale of discuss the horrors, scale of grooming gangs in britain. lots to get through my opinion next and my solution for lawless

britain . but first, the britain. but first, the headunes britain. but first, the headlines with the always well—behaved polly middleton . well—behaved polly middleton. just mark, thanks very much. and good evening. the top story on gb news tonight and it's bad news. more than 90,000 people are now known to have died after monday's earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria. around 70 members of the uk's international search and rescue team join the effort to try to find survivors in the rubble . find survivors in the rubble. hundreds of thousands of people have been left homeless in freezing conditions and with the world health organisation now warning, many more could without shelter. well, today, british charity appealed for funding to help those affected by the disaster with . the uk government disaster with. the uk government saying it'll match up to £5 million in public donations. so breaking news we received within the last half an hour or so, the former culture secretary, nadine

dorries, has announced she's standing down as an mp at the next general election. mr. doris has represented mid since 2005, publicising her new television show. she said she loves serving her constituents and it's been an honour for her for the best part of two decades. now members of parliament will get a 2.9% pay of parliament will get a 2.9% pay rise from the 1st of april. that would their overall salary from around that would their overall salary from aroun d £4000 to £86000. the from around £4000 to £86000. the independent parliamentary standards authority says the pay increase for mps was the same as the average increase in pay for pubuc the average increase in pay for public sector employees last year. public sector employees last year . an update on nicola pulley year. an update on nicola pulley now in lancashire police say their search for the missing mother of two has now moved towards the sea. the force saying it's searching further downstream where the river wyre becomes tidal. officers have also issued a 48 hour dispersal order for michaels on wyre after

an abandoned house was reportedly searched by members of the public trying to solve the case themselves. then posting footage on social media, the 45 year old was last seen 13 days ago walking her dog . and days ago walking her dog. and lastly, ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy has addressed an eu summit in brussels. is lobbying leaders to provide more weapons to ukraine in the fight . russia, which he's in the fight. russia, which he's referred to as the biggest anti european force of the modern world. number ten says it won't send jets to ukraine if that puts the uk at risk. and the foreign and defence secretaries are currently in italy meeting their counterparts to discuss galvanising more support for ukraine. those are the latest news stories on tv news you are up news stories on tv news you are up to date on online and dab+ radio . back now to laurence fox radio. back now to laurence fox . but in the seat tonight, mark dolan .

dolan. thanks. polly will see you in an hour coming up, elton john's lyricist on burt bacharach sad death and his reaction to the banning the song delilah. plus why bouncers might arrest you for saying something offensive in the pub? and should we back hanging laws to get . but first hanging laws to get. but first my big opinion. hanging laws to get. but first my big opinion . there's no my big opinion. there's no getting away from it. britain has a soft touch on crime. we learned yesterday the prevent program designed to tackle the huge threat of terrorism has more less overlooked. the main issue , islamic fundamentalism, issue, islamic fundamentalism, which to give you a quick elevator pitch stands for the total obliteration of the west. charming given the disproportionate this toxic ideology poses to all british citizens , it's shocking. but not citizens, it's shocking. but not that. just 16% of cases referred

by prevent related to islamism. it the authorities are happy to let isis's plot more human devastation for fear of anyone or being accused of islamophobia . britain is clearly a soft when it comes to organised grooming gangs, which is the subject of a stunning new gb news documentary, which airs on saturday. at 8:00, it's producer charlie peters joins me shortly . essentially young women have been abused , raped and exploited been abused, raped and exploited by men . these men have evaded by men. these men have evaded justice in spite of warnings from the local community and victims themselves. because the authorities don't want to be called racist. so they'd rather let young girls continue to be raped instead. brilliance this country is a soft touch on burglary with just 6% of burglaries leading to an arrest

last year in england or wales. 6% for a shocking and invasive crime based upon that statistic, burglary has effectively been a decriminalised the same for rape domestic abuse and sexual assault , domestic abuse and sexual assault, which are shockingly underreported . 6.3 million underreported. 6.3 million crimes were reported last year. this is out of control. crimes were reported last year. this is out of control . point this is out of control. point 3 million crimes. just think of the number not reported . the number not reported. stabbings have become the norm with drug gangs controlling their own postcode and with residents living in terror and afraid to leave the house dark . afraid to leave the house dark. let's be fair to our coppers. the force has seen unprecedented cuts dating back to 2010. brave police officers, men and have had a real terms cut for years. and they put their lives on the line every day. and legally they can't go on strike. senior

leadership within our forces will rightly argue the demands on their resources are on, including cyber crime. and they're doing everything in their power and within their budget to tackle crime. they have the job in the country . i have the job in the country. i get it. but right now it's not working. and sentencing is a problem, too with the likes of evil gary glitter getting out of prison halfway through . his 16 prison halfway through. his 16 year sentence how to his victims feel about that . today we saw feel about that. today we saw a of pearl clutching from the media and political elites about tory lee anderson's suggestion that we bring back capital punishment for the worse crimes . who could blame ? he wants . who could blame? he wants things to change. he's not talking about a parking ticket here. this is evil mass murderers who cannot be rehabilitated . there is a strong rehabilitated. there is a strong argument to be made that they

sacrifice their own life when they take someone else's . look they take someone else's. look at this chart demonstrating . how at this chart demonstrating. how bad crime has become compared to a century ago . it shows the a century ago. it shows the rates of recorded offensive per 100,000 people. so it's adjusted for population size and the rates of crime. as you can see, are through the roof. welcome to hell as journalist ed west has pointed out, the average just 400 street robberies year nationally . during the 1930s, nationally. during the 1930s, when absolute poverty was much higher in the year 2000, in lambeth just one of london's 32 boroughs, there were 8000 street robberies. so that's 400 nationwide. in the thirties and 8000 in one london borough in the year 2000. brits go about their lives now expecting to be victims of crime , expecting victims of crime, expecting their phone to be snatched out

of their hand as. they walk their phone to be snatched out of their hand as . they walk down of their hand as. they walk down the street . brits expect their the street. brits expect their homes to be broken into. they expect their car, motorbike or , expect their car, motorbike or, bicycle to be stolen any moment and the expectation that the police will anything about these crimes is close to zero. people i know and i'm sure people that you know have been a victim of crime and often don't even report it because it feels so hopeless. woke policing, which would rather see copper turn off at your house because of a supposedly offensive post, is letting real criminals off the hook, which is a crime in itself. so we need more police officers, more prisons , tougher officers, more prisons, tougher punishments and, a culture in which those who break the law face a genuine fear of getting caught. face a genuine fear of getting caught . being face a genuine fear of getting caught. being is a human rights and should be the expectation of any civilised country . britain

any civilised country. britain should be one of the safest countries in the world. and back in the day it was. but it's turning into a lawless hellhole. it's time for the police to their game and start real crime. and it's time for under—performing police chiefs to be taken in for questioning. they have no right to remain silent . now, as i mentioned, a silent. now, as i mentioned, a shocking new documentary about grooming gangs is to add night at 8 pm. here on gb news, a truly ground breaking television journalism and the man that's put this film together is our very own charlie peters. hi, charlie . what are you. i'm very charlie. what are you. i'm very well. good to have on the show. i'm going to get to your new exclusive, which features the film on saturday night . exclusive, which features the film on saturday night. but can you just give us an overview . you just give us an overview. for those that aren't across this story , the scale crime

this story, the scale of crime that we've seen in the few that we've seen in the last few years? well, in the grooming gang scandal particular. well gang scandal in particular. well i an exclusive i mean, that's an exclusive coming this and to hold coming this. and i want to hold that but it is much larger that back. but it is much larger than i think people expect. and we're thousands we're talking about thousands of vulnerable thousands vulnerable women, thousands of young , many of them young women, many of them reporting that to the police and being fobbed off and often being criminalised. so a significant number could be arrested, arrested or or treated by the police with disdain or treated as though they are the criminals themselves for what they are expensive. multiple studies reporting recently of ongoing cases where this is happening and viewers can tune in as and your viewers can tune in as we how have been we can. how have they been the victim prejudice by coppers victim of prejudice by coppers thinking, well, what's this young floozy about. that is young floozy on about. that is often the kind of perspective that they take. she brought it on herself. well, she's a troublemaker herself or see it as a lifestyle choice. and we know reports into south know from reports into south yorkshire police published last year that police officers took the in some in the view in some cases in yorkshire, that having an asian boyfriend was considered a lifestyle and they

lifestyle choice and they fashioned accessory. that was how girls who have teenage girls, underage would be girls, underage girls, would be abused. how their abused. that's how their suffering i found in suffering was. i have found in my investigation of the last year that attitude is still there in places in the country and many people involved on the ground, activists and whistleblowers report the same thing too. boyfriends, thing to too. and boyfriends, they not. absolutely not. no. they use a grooming model of exploitation where they they kind of treat their victims as though they being they give though they are being they give them they give them gifts, they give them alcohol but gifts and alcohol. but those gifts and those joyrides in taxis and free food and free drink, often drugs and alcohol that is sandwiched by a cocktail of horrific abuse , violence, torture , , violence, torture, exploitation, trafficking . some exploitation, trafficking. some of the stories really are shocking and have to tune in on saturday to learn more. indeed and of course, i'll be watching. it's an hour before my show. it's an hour before my show. it's an hour before my show. it's an important piece of journalism. why do you think the rest the stayed away rest of the media stayed away from well tonight from this story? well tonight i've an exclusive about i've written an exclusive about four councillors knew and four councillors who knew and stayed about the of abuse

stayed silent about the of abuse in the town when they were briefed in 2005. the first police operation in rotherham looking into the grooming gang, started in 2008. but told journalists when this story broke in 2014, the police them to stay quiet. now i can't find any evidence of any police operation, but in 2005 and that first operation in 2008, indeed, when i spoke some of these councillors , four of them still councillors, four of them still serving in the last month or so . i've heard some conflicting stories . one councillor told me stories. one councillor told me that, yes, the police were definitely there. they told me to stay silent. another councillor to speak to councillor refused to speak to me, saying what they said in 2014 case. 2014 remains the case. they won't comment again. but a third councillor, mcneilly said , are councillor, mcneilly said, are the ones even that nobody the police ones even that nobody investigated this very important part of the story. when came out in 2014. i think lot of journalists, a lot of them did a great job, but some of them took at face value what councillors , at face value what councillors, politicians, local members of the government and establishment told them at the time but didn't dive deep enough. you wouldn't

really lay at local really lay blame at local reporters or media generally. you say it's really at the you would say it's really at the at feet of the local authorities and the police. i'm sorry, but the reason why i've been able to have so many excuse is in this in the last month, just in the last month is because i am looking story in gb news to looking into story in gb news to looking into story in gb news to look story a few are look into a story a few are looking into across the media in general. now, other journalist did amazing in 2012 and 2014 did an amazing in 2012 and 2014 at the times. andrew norfolk particular blown the lid off a scandal but think for a lot scandal. but i think for a lot of people story was it was of people this story was it was too difficult. it them too too difficult. it made them too nervous due to the ethnicity of the perpetrators . due to the the perpetrators. due to the demographic of the victims and survivors and they pushed into the long grass. we've had these government reviews and people have said, that's it sorted going. it going. we've dealt with it entirely . unfortunately, that is entirely. unfortunately, that is not the case. councillors who knew and stayed in 2005 still serving on the rose mcneilly who knew and did nothing for three years. she's now the head of the ethics commission and standards commission, rotherham borough

council. do we have evidence that she knew about these crimes? yes, spoken to a crimes? yes, i've spoken to a whistleblower she confirmed whistleblower and she confirmed to she delivered that to me that she delivered that lecture, that seminar on 2005 and rose mcneilly herself to me on the phone that she was that in fact another councillor, alan, who was also at that meeting in thousand five and meeting in thousand and five and also for also stayed silent for three years. apologised me , years. he apologised to me, staying i asked him staying silent. when i asked him why he hadn't said anything for three before , he knew that three years before, he knew that a police operation was going on. he i was just getting he said, oh, i was just getting on with my life, i was just getting on with things at the time. i have to say, he time. i have to say, when he said to me, i was said that to me, i was absolutely still phone. absolutely still on the phone. i was absolutely shocked. but he said it because i think reflects the sort of dismissive attitude held in the held by lots of people in the government and in local authorities and indeed the police the these girls police at the time. these girls didn't. what would you put didn't. and what would you put this conspiracy silence to this conspiracy silence down to here? simply fear here? was it simply fear of being or there being called racist or was there more to well, the failures more to it? well, the failures in the council at time were in the council at the time were so it was very difficult to so that it was very difficult to conclude any other way that they were denial the extent

were in denial about the extent of problem, that on. of the problem, that going on. they going on. they knew what was going on. i think racial nervousness think the racial nervousness undoubtedly was part of it. undoubtedly was a part of it. they want to discuss the they didn't want to discuss the background of the perpetrators. but reflects very badly but also it reflects very badly on performance local on their performance as a local politicians as disastrous . politicians as such disastrous. i mean, 1400 victims in 2014. we now know 1500 over a six period is an extra ordinary numbers. so only they can say why they were silent for those three years. i've tried to ask them. they've given me mixed responses. but yeah , people have to ask them yeah, people have to ask them and keep asking the why this happened. because it hasn't stopped. it's still ongoing. there are still there are people are still fobbing off. these girls. the pressure to be on pressure needs to be kept on those in of making those who in charge of making sure justice is delivered and your film will help do just your film will help to do just that. this important documentary as on saturday night at o'clock, unmissable tv. as on saturday night at o'clock, unmissable tv . charlie, as on saturday night at o'clock, unmissable tv. charlie, thank you so much for that. now coming up is political correctness destroying the music with songs like delilah being banned? we'll speak live to elton lyricist

gary osborne , who will also gary osborne, who will also react to these sad of burt bacharach. plus, are pubs about to hire to police what you say when you're having a beer in case it's offensive. you won't believe that story. we'll get reaction from free speech champion toby young. but next should we bring back capital punishment for the worst crimes? we will hear from both sides and it's going to be lively . we will hear from both sides and it's going to be lively. i we will hear from both sides and it's going to be lively . i want it's going to be lively. i want your views. market see you .

in welcome back to the show. music legend burt bacharach has sadly died . get reaction from elton died. get reaction from elton john's lyricist before nine. but first, the brand new deputy chairman of the conservative party lee anderson has already a splash with news that he would like to see a return to capital

punishment for the worse crimes . lee kuan yew, the founder of modern singapore, would certainly . take a listen. also certainly. take a listen. also have one of the highest rates of capital punishment. if we could kill them 100 times, you know, and if you if you bring heroin into singapore , you hang you into singapore, you hang you hang, you hang . but without hang, you hang. but without capital punishment , our capital punishment, our transshipment rate as a drug centre would quadruple and internal consumption would go up by a multiple of ten. well, it might harsh, but singapore is , a might harsh, but singapore is, a wealthy ultra modern state with some of the lowest crime in the world. so does it act as a to criminals or is it capital an outdated mediaeval which risks miscarriage of justice if courts get the judgement wrong? to debate this, i'm delighted to. welcome. two good friends of mine, niall gardiner, director

of the margaret centre for freedom at the national heritage foundation. a former top adviser to prime minister margaret thatcher and gerry hayes of nineties tv's ex—tory mp , nineties tv's ex—tory mp, criminal barrister gerry. let me start with you . bring back start with you. bring back capital punishment because once you've murdered you can't hurt anyone ever again . yeah it's anyone ever again. yeah it's that that's a fairly good point because it's totally because firstly my grandfather was years ago so if anyone should be in favour of capital punishment, it's me. but the law is not about retribution. it's protecting the public. and the one thing that was made clear all through the seventies and the eighties and the nineties and used to have debates on this once every parliament. and there were pretty grim stuff is that it's encouragement. it's an encouragement to the ira. because you made martyrs . can because you made martyrs. can you imagine this is terrorists

who believe they're going to go into paradise for someone where they haven't been by our police force soldiers that be killed by the state. so, you know, never mind the mistakes which are made which pretty . the fact is it which pretty. the fact is it would be an absolute recruiting sergeant major for the islamic terrorists. and that's a big mistake. but can you tell me why the manchester bomber deserves any further life? he probably doesn't, but that's not really the point, is it? the point is protecting the public . i could protecting the public. i could be outraged and i was outraged and i was upset when my grandfather was murdered. but then you have your thinking, cap on and say, well, you know , are on and say, well, you know, are we protecting the public by what we protecting the public by what we do . and of course, we we do. and of course, we wouldn't be. do these people deserve to alive? no. they don't. but we're a civilised and we have to protect our public .

we have to protect our public. nile gardiner, you worked at close quarters with . margaret close quarters with. margaret thatcher, then lady thatcher. do you know what her view on was . you know what her view on was. she never voted for it nigel ? she never voted for it nigel? yeah mark i apologise here at the connection isn't great here, but i would like to say this . but i would like to say this. you know, i do think that margaret thatcher, if she was still with us, would certainly be in support. i think a very tough anti—crime measures and i think she would have supported the return of the death penalty and i think that's a lee anderson actually right to be calling for the return of the death penalty . we need to see death penalty. we need to see tough measures in place in order tough measures in place in order to deal with crime . common sense to deal with crime. common sense measures. i think a clear majority of conservative party supporters would support the return of the death penalty and where the death penalty is used.

countries such as japan , south countries such as japan, south korea, singapore, for example countries with extremely low levels of crime there are among the safest nations in the world and the death penalty, i think, is a key is a key part of that. and here in the united states, over 27 states retain death penalty. is supported by a majority . the us. a population majority. the us. a population is not subject of huge controversy. frankly in america . and i think that's calls for a return for the death penalty in the united kingdom. i think if you if you held a referendum in britain on this. i'd expect already the british people support would support supporting this measure as a way of dealing with some of the heinous, evil criminals in the uk at this time. so i do believe that margaret thatcher actually would have supported the return of the death penalty. they called the solution consulting with high levels of crime . though some of levels of crime. though some of us knew margaret very well. i

knew her very well . she was knew her very well. she was leader of the opposition. i used to advise her and you are very when she was prime minister and i can tell you she never supported the death and she wouldn't support it now for all the reasons i've mentioned because it would put british in danger. because it would put british in danger . however the british danger. however the british citizens in danger. what danger. however the british citizens in danger . what would citizens in danger. what would you hope you may not have heard? but i was saying before we used to have all these debates in the all the parliaments, the three poems. and i and the one thing that all the chiefs of staff in secure told us was , look, if you secure told us was, look, if you want ira terrorists being encouraged, like bobby sands and all the rest of it, if you want more martyrs, you have the death potency. now it's got worse. you've the islamic terrorists who believe they are going to be sent power dies. this is a sent to power dies. this is a recruiting down to that . recruiting down to that. actually, if i could respond , i

actually, if i could respond, i think the fear and the few terrorists we have on the streets whether they're islamist terrorists or ira , the better terrorists or ira, the better off we are, the safer the country . actually, if you remove country. actually, if you remove not one and that's not the argument let no finish . yes argument let no finish. yes i with lady thatcher and you have very well she believed in very tough and order measures and i'm in no doubt that she would she would be supportive today of harsh tough measures against, evil villainous criminals including terrorists after all she faced a direct terrorist threat. if we can remove these off the streets if we can apply the death penalty against those who are responsible for killing large numbers of innocent people , we should we should do that. let's make britain let's let's make britain and let's deal evil by taking evil off the streets . no. deal evil by taking evil off the streets. no. now, jerry, deal evil by taking evil off the streets . no. now, jerry, jerry streets. no. now, jerry, jerry is going to jump in with a point of order that margaret thatcher, i'm being told by my team. margaret thatcher supported, the

idea of the death penalty as part of her election manifesto in 1997 , 1979. forgive me. sorry in 1997, 1979. forgive me. sorry 1979. clearly, when she when she became prime minister for the first time, she became leader in 75 and she adopted the policy in 79. it didn't happen, but she supported it. but for every single vote we had in the house of commons. she voted against it. okay about the victims. finally, jerry . well i agree . finally, jerry. well i agree. but if you make mistakes, if you encourage this is the whole point i'm trying to get across tonight, but i'm fail miserably. you've got to protect public if you actually really have a recruiting sergeant for the terrorists as will because they want to killed by the state. they martyrs . objections no. two they martyrs. objections no. two final points. could you respond this idea that you will make martyrs out of terrorists? and

also, what if there's a miscarriage of justice. what if the courts get it wrong, which, of course, do. well, i think these terrorists will carry out their atrocities. no matter what they what the policy and the idea , the death, you know, the idea, the death, you know, the death penalty will turn them into martyrs is just it's just ridiculous, frankly. and the more the more terrorists we take out and eliminate better and the safer the british people . and safer the british people. and with regard to you know, your second point, tony, is a big debate here in the united states over that issue. but in the vast middle authority of cases of criminals being executed , the criminals being executed, the law has been . so i mean, there's law has been. so i mean, there's a very small number cases, i think, where where there has been injustice . but the vast been injustice. but the vast majority, i think of executions have been perfectly lawful . the have been perfectly lawful. the constitution, of course , allows constitution, of course, allows for the execution of criminals . for the execution of criminals. and supreme court has weighed in on this . and i do have a safe

on this. and i do have a safe society. when people are removed from that society . and i think from that society. and i think that if there was a popular vote in the uk at this time on this issue, i do a majority of british go would favour bringing back those . all the opinion back those. all the opinion polls are against it. the only i think it's on which i think it's i think it's marginal and it's marginal but but a fascinating debate which will continue to rage on. my thanks to gerry hayes, criminal barrister, former tory mp and nile gardiner, director of the margaret thatcher centre for at the heritage . gentlemen, the heritage. gentlemen, a fascinating debate. what's your view? market gbnews.uk after the break. we'll be revealing the results. our exclusive text poll has britain gone soft crime? that's the topic of my opinion, which you can now see on our twitter feed at gb news. next up is political correctness destroying the music industry with songs like delilah being banned ? we're going to speak banned? we're going to speak live to elton john's lyricist,

gary osborne . he's also going to gary osborne. he's also going to react to the sad death of burt bacharach and all pubs about to hire bouncers to police what. you say when you're having a beerin you say when you're having a beer in case, it's offensive. you won't believe that story . you won't believe that story. i'm not making it up. we're going to get reaction from free speech champion toby young. he's next. this saturday at 8 pm, tune in to a gb news investigates documentary as we tell the full story of the grooming scandal. my childhood been stolen . we will expose the been stolen. we will expose the cover ups that have kept this national scandal under wraps for decades. national scandal under wraps for decades . not one person has been decades. not one person has been held account . our investigation held account. our investigation uncovers true scale of this outrage. i to see senior officials held to account on gb news grooming gangs. britain's shane.

coming up on in a world exclusive interview. gb news his brand new presenter, jon lee speaks for the first time about the shock of fawlty towers and hits back at the woke. critics of the much loved british sitcom . plus, with a bidding in the offing, will the comebacks series be screened on its original ? the series be screened on its original? the bbc two series be screened on its original ? the bbc two named for original? the bbc two named for john john cleese and more of britain's top commentate from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on. gb news. welcome back to the show . now we welcome back to the show. now we asked you, has britain gone soft on crime? the results are in conclusive. a landslide , 94.6% conclusive. a landslide, 94.6% said, yes, we are now soft on crime . 5.4% voted no. well, let crime. 5.4% voted no. well, let me tell you that 5.4% are very

lucky and clearly live in a very peaceful area . let's have a look peaceful area. let's have a look at some of your emails. they're coming in thick and fast market gb news dot on the death penalty . david says hi mark. i support the death penalty. souness for first degree murder , williams first degree murder, williams says. mark conservative party and on subject gerry hayes is completely wrong. margaret thatcher stated a tv interview that she believed if someone took a life i.e. committed murder , they should forfeit murder, they should forfeit their own. thank you for that clarification, william , get to clarification, william, get to more of your emails shortly, but lots to get including reaction . lots to get including reaction. the sad death of music legend . the sad death of music legend. burt bacharach from elton john's lyricist gary osborne . and plus lyricist gary osborne. and plus gary is going to respond to that story of the song delilah being banned. story of the song delilah being banned . let's talk about more banned. let's talk about more woke madness now. the sun newspaper , a report that pub newspaper, a report that pub bosses fear they could have to hire banter bouncers to police

boozy chats under proposed laws rules to protect workers from being harassed may give them the to sue if jokes or comments they hear offend . an update to the hear offend. an update to the equalities aims to stop people getting abused at work piling extra rules onto bosses to try to stamp it out. but critics say will leave punters unable to shout at the telly or crack joke with their mates without landlords at risk of being by upset staff . this story would be upset staff. this story would be hilarious . upset staff. this story would be hilarious. it wasn't so troubling. so let's to free speech champion . the founder of speech champion. the founder of the free speech union no less. toby young . toby, is this story toby young. toby, is this story for ? it is for real. it's for? it is for real. it's incredible because rishi, when he was campaigning the leadership last summer said that we needed to do something about the equality act because it was responsible for so much work . responsible for so much work. well, he's doing something about the equality act. but going to

make the woke nonsense ten times worse. so what this proposed change to equality act will mean is at the moment, employers are only liable if one of their employees is harassed by another employee. what this change mean is that if an employee harassed by a third party, they come into contact with in the course of their work, a member of the pubuc their work, a member of the public , a customer. they'll also public, a customer. they'll also be able to sue their employers . be able to sue their employers. and we know from employment cases in the employment tribunal that if a worker overheard is a remark that find offensive made by one of their colleagues, they can success fully sue their employer for harassment if they feel upset in virtue of one of their protected characteristics. what this extension means is that if a barmaid overhear is a couple of customers telling dirty joke, she'll be able to sue her landlord her. and in order to mitigate against the financial risk associated with this new liability , publicans

this new liability, publicans will have to employ banter. bouncers to make to police the conversation of their customers to make sure don't say anything, likely to offend any members of their staff. and it's not just pubs. it also applies football stadiums. if a football fan shouts at a linesman who he thinks has made a poor decision, which is part of the pleasure of going to a football match, part of the fun going to a football match. if a football fan shouts you blind to the linesman. and there's a partially sighted steward football there's a partially sighted stewywho football there's a partially sighted stewywho comment? football there's a partially sighted stewywho comment? they all club who that comment? they could then the football club for harassed in order to harassed moment and in order to prevent going to prevent that they're going to have to police what fans to an even greater extent than do even greater extent than they do at the it'll apply to at the moment. it'll apply to hotels. know woman will hotels. you know a woman will not able to go a hotel not be able to go into a hotel wearing shirt saying adult wearing t shirt saying adult human female because some of the hotel if that trends might hotel staff if that trends might legitimately claim that they feel harassed by that comment and be able to sue their employers. so hotels will have to make that no gender to make sure that no gender critical likely weart critical feminists likely wear t shirts like that to use they

preferred gender pronouns of their trend or non—binary staff are admitted the hotel. it'll mean that we never get through to a person when we call up a bank or the local authority because you know the way to protect themselves. what would employers will do is they'll stop in these customer stop people in these customer facing roles dealing with members public . italy members of the public. italy too. i talked to somebody in the hospitality what it hospitality trade. what does it mean business if you're mean for your business if you're going liable for if going to become liable for if one of your employees feels harassed by? a comment made by a customer. it'll customer. he said it'll accelerate . we'll accelerate automation. we'll just replace the waitstaff, the people serving with robots. it's what we really want. is that is that what this government's trying to. and also a stance like culture in which your conversations are being listened into and there was that legislation in scotland the crime legislation that that potentially allowed somebody to get arrested for making a crude joke at home in the privacy of their own four walls. i mean, that's the direction of travel. the free speech union fighting this all the way to . the free

this all the way to. the free speech is fighting this. speech union is fighting this. i mean, to the mean, we arguing to the government that at the very least, there needs to be a proper consultation. there needs to scrutiny of this to some proper scrutiny of this major change to the equality act. the equality act, which passed by labour in 2010, a said far reaching consequences across every workplace in the country. it's poisoned atmosphere in many workplaces . it's why, you know, workplaces. it's why, you know, members of staff are told they have to do unconscious bias training courses. why more and? more words and phrases are bannedin more words and phrases are banned in the workplace all the time. why it's now more or less mandatory in some workplaces to declare gender pronouns use declare your gender pronouns use your colleagues preferred gender pronouns that poison is now going to spread out to bars and hotels , football grounds and hotels, football grounds and nightclubs. i this is a major change to the law, but it's been brought through the form of a private member's bill. a private member's bill being brought by dem mp, which is being supported the government. no real scrutiny . this is going to happen under the radar and suddenly we're going wake and find every

going to wake up and find every time go to the pub, every time we go to the pub, every time we go to the pub, every time we go to the pub, every time we go to a restaurant, every go to a football every time we go to a football ground, going ground, we're going to be policed. policed and controlled. and you, if you say to the ref, are you blind, you tell a are you blind, if you tell a dirty in a pub face dirty joke in a pub face a lifetime i would love to lifetime ban. i would love to verbally now just to verbally abuse you now just to exercise free speech. but exercise my free speech. but you're. you're far too brilliant. you're far too clever, and you too clever, and you far too important in country. you important. in this country. you are, the founder of are, of course, the founder of the free speech union. my thanks to also the editor, to toby. he's also the editor, the sceptic newspaper , i the daily sceptic newspaper, i should and counter balance should argue and counter balance the government and those behind this legislation want make sure that people in the workplace are not subjected to abuse. they're working , trying to do their job. working, trying to do their job. and this legislation, they would argue, is there to them. so they're not subjected to language which could offend. it's all about opinions, isn't . it's all about opinions, isn't. what's yours? before nine as rugby chiefs calls a storm by banning the singing of the tom jones hit delilah is stifling political censoring and

destroying arts . really bad news destroying arts. really bad news for creativity . we'll be joined for creativity. we'll be joined live on the program by elton lyricist with whom he's had a string of hits, gary osborne, whose is deeply worried about the of . plus, gary the future of. plus, gary will react sad of burt react to the sad of burt bacharach. death, of course. music legend. so talk about woke p0p music legend. so talk about woke pop songs next. go anywhere .

welcome back to the show. now, you would have heard news last week that tom jones's song delilah has been axed from welsh rugby games at cardiff's principality stage , where fans principality stage, where fans have been singing that song for years. this over the storyline of the song in which a jealous lover murders his female partner . a stadium spokesman has said delilah not feature on the playlist for choirs for rugby

internationals at the principality. they went on to say the welsh rugby union condemns domestic violence of any kind . we've previously any kind. we've previously sought advice subject matter experts on the issue of censoring the song and we're respectfully aware that it's problematic and upsetting some supporters because its subject matter . okay well let's speak to matter. okay well let's speak to one of the country's foremost popular assists who's had a string of hits with sir elton john including blue eyes part time love and little jeannie as . well as being the principal lyricist behind the incredibly successful concept album and now live stage show jeff wayne's version of the war of worlds. gary osborne, welcome to . thanks gary osborne, welcome to. thanks for the plug mark but please you've got to stop calling me elton john's lyricist . he's got elton john's lyricist. he's got several lyricists . and i only several lyricists. and i only got about 30 with him. bernie taupin , least 300. that is true taupin, least 300. that is true . got me in trouble with some with neil tim rice , who also

with neil tim rice, who also wrote some fabulous songs . no, i wrote some fabulous songs. no, i definitely was one of the group. well good. and i think you're absolutely right. of course. but you are behind some of elton's albums, including a single man, which features in opinion one of the top five love songs that elton john's written, which is called shine on through . but called shine on through. but listen, we'll get to your back catalogue . your reaction to catalogue. your reaction to banning of delilah because it glamorises domestic violence . glamorises domestic violence. well, it's a joke, isn't it? i don't think anybody listens ever , ever listened to that song and went out and killed somebody. if they did, then in trouble with they did, then in trouble with the operas like carmen, which has been running for nearly 200 years. nobody's used the defence. well, i saw carmen . so defence. well, i saw carmen. so it's okay for me to stab my wife. it just doesn't happen . wife. it just doesn't happen. there's one line in delilah . and there's one line in delilah. and delilah is a fantastic . tom delilah is a fantastic. tom jones has had about 50 hits in about 50 years and any their

popularity . delilah always comes popularity. delilah always comes out top in spite of the fact that green green gossip home was number one for seven weeks. people the one they love is delilah. it's not just the words. the tune. it's that fabulous arrangement by les reed . where when people sing my, my delilah, the audience go , blah, delilah, the audience go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they come it. they've got to do it because it's a it's a great arrangement of a great tune. the line that bothers people. i felt the knife , my hand and she the knife, my hand and she laughed no more. that's words which she describes possibly a murder. we're not sure you called it a murder. it might just have been a graze. he might have just grazed it. but whatever happened , it's all whatever happened, it's all described as a murder. yes and it happens. and it's described because. songwriting is the art of compression . see, othello of compression. see, othello takes 3 hours to tell you that othello kills desdemona . this

othello kills desdemona. this only takes 3 minutes. and it gets the job done. but the funny thing is, the people that the it they haven't listened to it . you they haven't listened to it. you take the bbc on their website they say , well, othello he shows they say, well, othello he shows remorse, whereas the killer in delilah doesn't. well he hasn't listen to the because it clearly forgive me delilah i just couldn't take any more. not only that we know he gets his comeuppance because so before they come to break down the door . so he's going down for this. it's a victim. it's not a crime that he gets away with . it's that he gets away with. it's a it's a song. it's a snatch of life it's a little vignette. it's like play or a novel only considerably more compressed. it a story. most love songs. most songs about love . it's hard to songs about love. it's hard to write good love song because

there are so many of them. but you get great stories , songs. you get great stories, songs. the beatles were good at that . the beatles were good at that. eleanor rigby, beautiful eleanor rigby. she's leaving home . penny rigby. she's leaving home. penny lane. rigby. she's leaving home. penny lane . beautiful little slice lane. beautiful little slice size capsules that describe events that have happened in people's lives . and lord knows people's lives. and lord knows enough people get murdered. this more likely to put people off murdering than to murder because , forgive me, delilah, i just couldn't take any more. they come to break down the door. i don't know what the fuss is about. this is a wonderful song, and it should be. it's an extended dawn to british popular music people. somehow love it. it wasn't tom's hit. it's it wasn't his first hit. it's not a wasn't his first hit. it's not a was the first one. we had several bigger hits, but it's the one that's survived is it's the one that's survived is it's the one that it spits it stirs something in people. and it's not the urge to murder. it's the

urge to sing along, not the urge to murder. it's the urge to sing along , to enjoy urge to sing along, to enjoy a little slice of life. there you go. you've been very humble about your own career, but have had a very successful career as a writer, a lyricist , a a writer, a lyricist, a musician. you've done all. would you find it difficult to operate in today's . well, i've mostly in today's. well, i've mostly written songs, and i suppose and the story songs written would be in the war, the worlds. that was obviously a story. and i had the pleasure of writing a battle scene between a turn of the century ironclad and sea machine fighting machines. and i can assure you , nobody i've met assure you, nobody i've met before, not even barry mason who wrote that fabulous delilah lyric, has written one about three machine fighting machines and the turn of the century galleon. well i'm going to interrupt now because you can't sue me for reading out. you're

not sorry. sorry. what? i'm going to read out one of your classic lyrics , and this would classic lyrics, and this would get you cancelled. now it's big from the single man album by elton john and recommended he's got his own big dipper. he knows just what it's for. he's got his own big dipper, but he's got his eye on yours . another ride, eye on yours. another ride, another tune , another crazy another tune, another crazy afternoon, another reason for squeezing your big dipper that would get you cancelled. now well, it was a sexual . and it well, it was a sexual. and it was a bit of a i wanted to call it big dipper and i couldn't resist it. well, i'm talking about sex to young men who got to stop you there because talking about sex appeal. gary osborne , elton john's lyricist. osborne, elton john's lyricist. let's talk let's talk to britain's best journalist dan wootton . you are alive and wootton. you are alive and you're sexy, too. let me tell you. i was totally engrossed by that. i wanted to keep hearing about the story behind dipper. i'm mark. good evening to you.

very excited tonight because we have a world exclusive coming up.john have a world exclusive coming up. john cleese speaking for the first time during, up. john cleese speaking for the first time during , the show first time during, the show about the new fawlty towers. john cleese live on time wasn't tonight. i'll see you tomorrow at. eight. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office some clear spells lingering in the south , leading lingering in the south, leading to a frost in places by dawn. otherwise lot of cloud, actually. and relatively mild, with breeze coming. it coming from the west. southwest and a warm front arriving during nights. that warm front will push milder air in from the atlantic . it will also bring atlantic. it will also bring a lot of cloud with it. so any remaining showers in the far north of scotland easing then more persistent damp weather arriving into the north and northwest of scotland. that western parts of northern by the end of the night. lots of cloud. northern ireland. scotland. northern ireland. scotland. northern england. parts of wales. but away from these areas under spells temperatures under clear spells temperatures dropping fairly widely , a few

dropping fairly widely, a few degrees below freezing, mostly , degrees below freezing, mostly, but in some sheltered spots as low as minus seven celsius and a few fog patches first thing. but actually that's where the brightest skies will be across central and southern of england. sunshine the sunshine remaining the south—east into the afternoon. but cloud toppling elsewhere but cloud toppling in elsewhere . and that cloud thick enough to give some of rain and drizzle of western hills wales, western hills of wales, the south—west northwest england and more persistent rain for the north and west of scotland times. but north—east of times. but the north—east of scotland the cloud will break up well and, here we could see 12 celsius into evening. the cloud remains across the uk, but they'll be some thinning of the clouds breaks appearing through the night and as a result a patchy frost couldn't be ruled out across southern, but more extensively we'll see. low cloud covering the hills . wales in the covering the hills. wales in the southwest as well as much of western scotland. northwest england so gloomy starts in places on saturday. it'll take some time for that cloud to lift and break up. and in some places

the cloud will remain particularly of western . a few particularly of western. a few spots of rain where that happens across western scotland, parts of wales for example, but otherwise some sunny spells

no spin, no bias, no censorship. i'm dan wootton tonight it's safe to say lee anderson's promotions , the conservative promotions, the conservative party deputy chairman, has told all the right people . i look all the right people. i look back fondly on the period of my life and i was unaware. lee anderson 630 p lee as a loose cannon and a liability and might just next all explain the hatred being expressed towards westminster's toughest talking mp or stand up for me lee as he's now known for backing death penalty shows the hatred of the left towards the working classes in my supercell panel will weigh in my supercell panel will weigh in joining me tonight. dominique samuels. sean bailey and amy

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