a happy friday, everybody off work early. put your feet up and watch me patrick christys on gb news. i've got a stonking show for you today. should employees get pay for you today. should employees get pay that 2.9% get a pay rise that 2.9% increase is less than what's been offered nurses, rail been offered to nurses, rail workers, etc. of course, they earn much to begin with and some people think they're an absolute shower. i assume every single

labour mp will be turning money down in solidarity with the striking workers. but i want to know from you. what should employees paid and paramilitary style block rights protesters are protesting a school in surrey after . a black people was surrey after. a black people was attacked. now mp have asked the home secretary to make sure that justice is served . we'll have justice is served. we'll have the latest on all of that. tory deputy charlie anderson wants to pick channel migrants up in a navy frigate and drop them back off to france and have a standoff with the french. we'll be debating . i will bring you be debating. i will bring you the absolutely developments in the absolutely developments in the search for a missing mum of two, bailey. we'll speak two, nicola bailey. we'll speak to a forensic psychologist to give there . a new give you the latest there. a new polling over majority of polling data over majority of you do not support new trends lord nicholas sturgeon is getting an absolute . and why is getting an absolute. and why is the music industry so weird? lady gaga had a woman throw up on her on stage and smith is walking around looking like half coke joint of honey roast ham gbviews@gbnews.uk . i want to gbviews@gbnews.uk. i want to know from you how much what do

you perhaps i should. they turned down their pay offer but right now you said last. turned down their pay offer but right now you said last . good right now you said last. good afternoon . it's 3:02. i'm afternoon. it's 3:02. i'm rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom. the death toll has risen to more than 22 south island following monday's devastating earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria . rescue workers say the syria. rescue workers say the for finding survivors is closing amongst the devastation, though glimmers of hope for days on, several children have now been rescued from beneath the rubble and including a ten day old baby and including a ten day old baby and his mother. back here . an and his mother. back here. an appeal by the uk's disasters emergency committee has raised tha n £13 million in its first 24 than £13 million in its first 24 hours. meanwhile, turkey's president recep tayyip erdogan says rescue efforts aren't going fast as he'd hoped due to

malaria, despite fact that we've gathered perhaps one of the largest search rescue teams to the region with more than 141,000 members. unfortunately it's a fact that we've not been able to respond as fast we'd hoped. able to respond as fast we'd hoped . in syria, the head of the hoped. in syria, the head of the white helmets response group has accused the of failing to deliver aid to rebel held areas. he's called the response catastrophic fake, claiming the region hadn't received any support since disaster struck, at least 3000. people are known to have died in the country. syrian bashar al—assad has visited a hospital in aleppo in his first reported trip . the his first reported trip. the affected region . back here , the affected region. back here, the chancellor has warned the uk isn't out of the woods yet. it's after the latest figures show the economy narrowly avoided falling into recession the final quarter of last year. falling into recession the final quarter of last year . the data quarter of last year. the data from the office for national statistics reveals the economy soars . growth between october

soars. growth between october and, december, the final month of 22 saw gdp down by 0.5. but overall the annual gdp rate grew by 4.1. the chancellor, as welcomed the figures, but warns that still more to be done . the that still more to be done. the fact that we have avoided in fact that we have avoided in fact with the fastest growing major country last year shows there is underlying resilience in the uk economy, but we are not of the woods. inflation is still too high. that is causing pain for families up down the country, which is why we need to stick to our plan to, halve inflation if . we do that and inflation if. we do that and play inflation if. we do that and play to our strengths in science and technology . we really can be and technology. we really can be one of the most prosperous countries in europe. the chancellor's also today that there is no major new to help those struggling energy bills from april when the energy price guarantee rises bills for a typical household are set to increase from two and a half thousand pounds to 3000. the government's been under pressure

to offer additional help for people to cope with soaring costs. it comes as the says energy suppliers have agreed to end the forced installation of pre—payment metres in the homes of vulnerable customers ambulance workers . england are ambulance workers. england are striking today and a long running dispute over pay jobs and conditions. running dispute over pay jobs and conditions . around 15,000 and conditions. around 15,000 staff have been taking part in the walkout with unison members balloting another 10,000 over the coming weeks. balloting another 10,000 over the coming weeks . the government the coming weeks. the government says constructive talks are being held, but union's accused it of not negotiating. university are also on strike the second day this week with more 70,000 staff at 150 universities taking action . universities taking action. friends of nicola have gathered for second roadside appeal to mark two weeks since her disappearance. lancashire police its search for the missing mother of two has moved towards the coast. the force is now further downstream where river

wyre becomes tidal tidal . wyre becomes tidal tidal. ukraine's prime minister says russia has more than 50 missiles at the country today . the at the country today. the caphaps at the country today. the capital's mayor, vitali klitschko claims ten have been shot down over the capital. the attack has caused damage to power grids at six locations but there are no confirmed casualties. schools in kyiv have been forced to evacuate and continue with a class underground . meanwhile president underground. meanwhile president volodymyr zelenskyy has addressed a uk led summit to discuss russia's participation at next year's olympics in paris . it follows warnings his country could boycott the games over the. the international olympic committee says it will explore a for athletes from russia and belarus to compete as . but the move has been following the invasion of ukraine with zelenskyy saying they be allowed to take part even a neutral flag. lithuanian sports minister says all 35

countries that attended the meeting have agreed to demands that the ioc ban russian and belarussian from taking part . belarussian from taking part. this is gb news will bring you more as it happens now though it's over to you. patrick all right, people, let's kick start your friday, shall we? members of parliament also receive a 2.9% pay rise from april. it broke live on yesterday's show. we chatted about a little bit, but i thought we'd with it today thought we'd lead with it today because is a hot topic, isn't because it is a hot topic, isn't it? it means that salaries will from the annual take home from taking the annual take home pay from taking the annual take home pay from 84 to 86 and a half ground. it determined by the independent parliamentary standards authority the body said the increase was in with the average public sector workers in 2020 to slash 23. it comes at a time, of course, when workers, the public sector are

striking . they demand fair pay . striking. they demand fair pay. joining me now is former conservative minister and whitaker. and thank you very, very much. great to have you on the show. do you think light of the show. do you think light of the current economic climate . mp the current economic climate. mp should turn this money down? no i think they should take it . i think they should take it. first of all, it is very much below the rate of inflation and therefore an example. what people are out on for strike is inflation busting . stamp is inflation busting. stamp is a very, very modest 2.9 and that's the first reason. second reason it is, of course, independent place set. it hasn't been set by employers themselves . and employers themselves. and thirdly, if you actually look at what employees are paid, they are running the country. and yet people are running the public sector or private sector organisations are getting far more. so i don't actually think 2.9% in the current circumstance says is unreasonable to have

times when i thought these pay should have been delayed but i'm going to be talking a little later on in the show to and trade unionists as well and i can imagine that he's going to say to me is, well, look you've got nurses, they're saving lives, you know, plugging stamp and gunshot wounds and, giving people cpr and all of this stuff and an mp doesn't do any of that. so the pace is not fair. what would you say to i would say is complete nonsense. first of all, it was employees who got the vaccines. then forget specifically it was boris johnson in it that saved lives . johnson in it that saved lives. secondly, every individual and this is something we forget they didn't just sit there in parliament, every single individual mp is dealing with constituents problems that can be sometimes involve life and can involve very, very issues on daily basis. so i say 2.9 is okay by me, 5% wouldn't be 2.9 is. what about the expenses. i mean , look, some mps some would

mean, look, some mps some would argue maybe on the take a little bit i'm sure there are you know, there are some corrupt mps and always will be and always have been. but the overwhelming majority aren't. there is a very, very strict regime now which came in after the after the expenses scandal in 2009 and the expenses scandal in 2009 and the expenses scandal in 2009 and the expense is of that to reimburse you for expenditure that you have had to lay out and you've already done it in most cases , doesn't cover it for the cases, doesn't cover it for the future. so already found money from your own that enables to do your duty and your reclaim it and no other organisation . would and no other organisation. would that be seen as unreasonable in yourideal that be seen as unreasonable in your ideal world? and would you pay your ideal world? and would you pay them even more? or do we not want to attract the best and the brightest and you alluded to some people that we could go and it in in the private. yes i think we've got to attract much higher quality of mp than got at

the moment. i mean, i think the quality we've got to attract a much higher quality . but most of much higher quality. but most of those people who come into parliament and actually come in for the pay, they come for in something different, they come in to run the country to do things which they think are right and they want in return for that some degree of respect and of mp don't get everybody says the sort of thing you've said a i'm these are on the take etc. etc. are they get that i'll never be put off by that. just just let me in on the side because look i got certainly what you're saying and it's an unpalatable thing to say, but i can completely the logic behind wanting to pay employees more because you said, we do because like you said, we do need to try to attract the best and brightest. and a lot of those people, unfortunately or fortunately could go have fortunately could go and have a much easier life for a less much easier life for a lot less stress, earning a heck of lot stress, earning a heck of a lot more, doing job and more, doing anotherjob and still private life still have complete private life and this stuff and get up and all of this stuff and get up to naughty business to whatever naughty business they want to get up to at the weekends. right. but actually

people argue as people would also argue as the point current point made, that the current crop employees doesn't seem crop of employees doesn't seem to so to be particularly good. so we've doing performance we've we're doing it performance related to do an related. if you want to do an evaluation with the dreaded r on this probably want to this law, you probably want to be them a pay rise. what be giving them a pay rise. what do you. well, you know, the interesting thing is when interesting thing is, is when you ask individuals in polls, they their employees. they think of their employees. they all for their they say they're all for their own that own employees. and a and that is because, course, they because, of course, where they are. they the mp and the are. they see the mp and the local doing that the local paper doing this that the other they all know other thing they all know somebody to see mp and somebody been to see the mp and if been well treated you if he's been well treated you know he'll come back and you'll be enthusiastic about it. so be all enthusiastic about it. so they'll own they'll probably say their own employees should have right employees should have the right and else should and if and nobody else should and if that's that's public that's perception, that's public perception quickly, perception. and just quickly, how do employees get to vote on this ? it used to be the case this? it used to be the case that we set our own pay rises. now it is the case that they are independently . and as far as independently. and as far as i know, you don't have to vote on. you could, of course, individually , as far as i know. individually, as far as i know. but that's that's that's interesting isn't it. and on that point that an mp, if they

do feel so strongly about it, those people maybe in the house commons who are supporting a general strike who decides go general strike or who decides go out on the picket lines, you think all society think that the way all society is structured is fundamentally unfair and we need a radical redistribution of wealth they could redistribute some of their own wealth, couldn't they ? well, own wealth, couldn't they? well, they certainly could. or they could own top pay rise to could their own top pay rise to the they feel so the unions if they feel so strongly any of strongly they suspect any of them will. now, and what a competitive much that therefore . tory minister just really its . tory ministerjust really its own please pay rise is already kicked off the inbox that i am going to be asking you this throughout the course of the show at 6000 i'm just reading now 86,584 big ones is what mp will be paid with is 2.9% pay offer. i've been asking you what would pay them. in an ideal world, you think they deserve world, do you think they deserve a rise? gb a a pay rise? gb views a gbnews.uk. i'm on. trevor on. i thank very much, trevor. he thank you very much, trevor. he says as a pensioner, my increase of 10.1% in april will mean an increase. pension of increase. my state pension of £19.90 per week. surely as food,

energy and rent are the same for everyone, would it not be reasonable to give employees and the rest the same increase? so he's basically saying as far as i can gather trevor anyway , a i can gather trevor anyway, a £19.90 per week from april increase for mp so i'm maths isn't to have to work out what thatis isn't to have to work out what that is a year but i can you especially not as much as that is a lot lower have you been getting in touch including. he says they shouldn't get a penny no further rises until they deliver hs2 and deliver brexit. stop hs2 and kick in say net zero into the long grass they are useless say unvarnished of our mpas that from geoff and love to see it frankly just talking about delivering brexit. got delivering brexit. we've got a story bit later on. did you story a bit later on. did you know that sent around 2.3 know that we sent around 2.3 billion quid and resources , etc. billion quid and resources, etc. to ukraine? we've covered that extensively this week. obviously zelenskyy's fighter zelenskyy's big old fighter jets, it turns out. we jets, but also it turns out. we sent another 2.3 billion to the european union. i will tell you exactly why that is very, very shortly. but rob, with the new pay shortly. but rob, with the new pay rises employees are now earning same as mick lynch mick

lynch would dispute or actually i wouldn't dispute it anyway. i'm sure mick lynch will be to account for his own salary. him dave says. surely if you believe the narrative the proposed mep's pay the narrative the proposed mep's pay rise actually a real term pay rise is actually a real term pay pay rise is actually a real term pay cut . oh, does that just pay cut. oh, does that just count for working class jobs? whatever they well look talking all and pays return to this throughout the course the show but this is a big story yes it's been kicking off well since yesterday and definitely overnight and then i couldn't really move for it this morning, especially social media. i'm sure a lot of you have clocked this particular one and piece of called for inquiry surrey called for inquiry into a surrey school after a video emerged of a pupil being punched, kicked and, having a hair pulled and what the police have described as a i'm quoting now serious racially aggravated assault . so racially aggravated assault. so the incident led to protests . the incident led to protests. thomas nevitt college in ashford from those who claim the school did not enough to help the victims . and the school's

victims. and the school's headteacher richard beeson responded by saying all necessary were being taken to help the people. so employees across section of employees variety of different parties they wrote to as all have some say loads needs to be done this there has also been now extensive protest taking outside the school by a black rights group called forever family. and you might remember family they kind of popped up a bit around blm protest time and a couple of other occasions as well. and they do wear kind of paramilitary style clothing. it looks as though stab vests that drove and some of them are either all black clobber or like military gear. anyway in the past they have called for things like, reparations, etc. for the slave and they've got support would appear anyway from rappers such as dave and people like that who are now calling for this particular headteacher to get the chop and for the school to do massive apologies , etc. in to do massive apologies, etc. in essence, it's right off. okay, so going to be covering this a little bit now. i know it's got

lot of you talking online. olivia utley is in westminster for us and olivia, thank you very much. now, i know this is a bit of a sensitive topic and also as well asking our viewers and our listeners as well. bear in this is an active in mind that this is an active case. it does massively stunt case. so it does massively stunt exactly can say about exactly what we can say about this, we're all going to this, that we're all going to bear that in mind. ladies and gentlemen, this gentlemen, what will this inquiry looking gentlemen, what will this inq|well looking gentlemen, what will this inq|well this looking gentlemen, what will this inq|well this letter looking gentlemen, what will this inq|well this letter to looking gentlemen, what will this inq|well this letter to mp king at? well this letter to mp cross—party group of mps are i say cross—party, it's mostly labour because a few tory mp have written to the home secretary essentially asking home secretary to look at two things. one is the surrey police's response to this attack and what the particular thing that they quibbling over is the fact that the surrey police called it fight between girls and this, of course, partially, as your friend piece says, that using language like that, just a fight girls downgrades the which in another state with surrey police called a serious racially attack. the other thing you mentioned that in your introduction to the story is

that this group of employees all looking at to get some explanation from the school of why that didn't intervene. so this is video which is doing the rounds on social media where this poor girl is being attacked in the street by a number of people upon and from the people set upon and from the from video looks as from the video it looks as though there are a group of people, including teachers people, including some teachers standing doing very standing around not doing very much now that's what that's it looks like from the video that is watch these and are alleging they the home secretary or the education secretary in fact to launch a full investigation into the school and why it didn't respond fulsomely to this attack . now the headteacher has come out and that the school did everything that it possibly could. so an ongoing issue. but as you say the protest which taking place outside the school dozens of people now outside the school protesting what they see is that is the school's lack of fulsome reaction meant that it's kicked off and it's now in the sort of social media realm. so it'll be very interesting. see how the home secretary and the

education respond. will they now and have a look at school or will let it play out as the as a police proceeding , the latter police proceeding, the latter course of action, letting it play course of action, letting it play out, letting the police do its job is what penny mordaunt, the leader of the house of commons, suggested the commons, has suggested the government . yes, indeed. government will do. yes, indeed. olivia, thank you very very much. fantastically well summarised olivia summarised that olivia utley, our political reporter. she's in westminster. raises westminster. look, it raises certain doesn't certain questions, doesn't it? of is important. of course it is important. everybody case. just everybody likes this case. just run natural and we don't run natural course. and we don't want comments and all of want to pass comments and all of that. but the wider issue, the wider issue about groups turning out groups out, putting out protest groups out, putting massive pressure that wearing massive pressure on that wearing militia in public. massive pressure on that wearing militia in public . the flip militia gear in public. the flip side to that is incredibly strong feelings with anything, of that involves of course, that involves allegedly so you can allegedly race. and so you can see both sides of it. there but we're going to keep an eye on this one because it is a quite unusual case in this sense. so we'll move on from it from now. but i know a lot of you but yes, i know a lot of you have been talking this i was getting lot of tweets about it getting a lot of tweets about it earlier day. oh, you're

earlier in the day. oh, you're going and here we going to cover it. and here we are in a nutshell. it is our case. this girl was allegedly really looked though was really looked as though she was attacked was attacked anyway, she was attacked anyway, she was attacked and the attacked outside school and the police it racially police have called it a racially motivated racially motivated attack or racially aggravated attack. and now on top we end up with top of that, we end up with a group called forever family is a group called forever family is a group well, i suppose you group of well, i suppose you say, rights activists. say, black rights activists. they described the they have been described in the past a panther type past as a black panther type organisation, and certainly they're and they're stopped with vests and all this clobber they all of this clobber that they appear wearing indicate appear be wearing would indicate that least modelling that they are at least modelling themselves in some way on that of stuff have decided to of stuff they have decided to take the streets, massive protest and videos, doing the rounds them up in rounds online of them all up in arms is, i think, interesting, isn't it, to see not? that isn't it, to see or not? that necessarily actually helping necessarily is actually helping situation but that we go you're with me patrick christys on gb news up the has news coming up the uk has narrowly falling into narrowly avoided falling into recession in 2022. that's what the new from the onus show for the new from the onus show for the chancellor jeremy hunt has warned when out of the woods yet we're not out of the yet is it time to end all of this doom and gloom we have done better than people anticipate. there people anticipate. so there

were, our very own were, of course, our very own economic guru, liam economic and business guru, liam halligan . was that we halligan. he was saying that we were too gloomy. begin with. were all too gloomy. begin with. well, we'll find out why or why we've swerve bit of we've managed to swerve bit of a recession very, very shortly. i want also just before that as well, we will be debating or not. we should send the navy into channel you can into the channel and you can thank for that one. thank lee anderson for that one. good afternoon. deakin good afternoon. i'm alex deakin and latest weather and is your latest weather updates rain around and is your latest weather upd.weekend's rain around and is your latest weather upd.weekend's not rain around and is your latest weather upd.weekend's not huge round and is your latest weather upd.weekend's not huge amount this weekend's not huge amount of sunshine either. we'll be fairly cloudy, but for most of us it will be a bit warmer than it has been for much of this week. here's the for the week. here's the reason for the dry area of high dry weather, a big area of high pressure. but notice the ice of us closely packed together across north. it very across the north. it is very windy there at the moment windy out there at the moment and weather front is still and this weather front is still bringing outbreaks of bringing some outbreaks of rain to the highlands scotland. to the highlands of scotland. that'll of the that'll last for much of the evening. very gusty evening. still very gusty well over northern england, northern ireland will slow ireland and the winds will slow , really ease through the night . further south, the winds are light we could see a bit of mr. fog, but generally this cloud keeping temperatures up well above freezing . we'll the

above freezing. we'll start the weekend at some sixes and sevens for most so as i said, much milder than many a morning has been this it will be a grey day tomorrow of cloud. we may continue to see some light rain and drizzle . and there the hills and drizzle. and there the hills of wales , some western coasts, of wales, some western coasts, the highlands , scotland. but for the highlands, scotland. but for most it will be dry and we should see something bit brighter as well as the day goes on the cloud breaking a little bit to a little bit blue bit to reveal a little bit blue sky here and, there. and it will be quite mild. february ten, 11, 12, maybe 13 degrees celsius . 12, maybe 13 degrees celsius. not a great deal of change dunng not a great deal of change during saturday night. so if you're heading out and predominantly cloudy, keeping things reasonably , any breaks in things reasonably, any breaks in the clouds could again allow temperatures to dip, maybe to freezing. and the thick cloud , freezing. and the thick cloud, the northwest of scotland, where there will still be a brisk breeze blowing, may produce the odd spot , drizzly breeze blowing, may produce the odd spot, drizzly red we go odd spot, drizzly red as we go into sunday. but for most again, the winds light on sunday so lighter than today and just a lot of cloud certainly over

central and eastern parts for the west and across parts of scotland. but a chance on sunday of seeing some longer spells of sunshine . and again, it will be sunshine. and again, it will be on the mild side with temperatures mostly 9 to 11 degrees celsius . that's all for degrees celsius. that's all for me for now . goodbye, aaron gb me for now. goodbye, aaron gb news live. we'll be you in the picture. finding out what's happening across the country and finding why it matters to finding out why it matters to you we'll the facts fast you. we'll have the facts fast with team reporters and with our team of reporters and specialist correspondent . specialist correspondent. wherever happening, we'll wherever it's happening, we'll be . 12 noon tv, radio be there. 12 noon on tv, radio and online. gb news the peoples channel. britain's news.

channel okay, people packed. and of hour at the half hour. coming up, your out. we've got forensic psychologist on to talk about the disappearance of nicola

bailey. what's the latest on all of that? still unfortunate . of that? still unfortunate. anyway, no sign of it. we've also got all people's poll results, which that people are pretty split when it comes to trusting party on in light trusting what party on in light of the fact that you might have missed this but we've paid you 2.3 billion in large today why. i'll tell you. and also well navy frigates in the channel landings and calling for that. he says that we want to channel migrants on navy frigates, send them back to calais and have a standoff . the french. bigley's standoff. the french. bigley's got that. we'll talk about all of news, the uk of it. but in other news, the uk has avoided recession of it. but in other news, the uk ha�*the avoided recession of it. but in other news, the uk ha�*the latest avoided recession of it. but in other news, the uk ha�*the latest gdpied recession of it. but in other news, the uk ha�*the latest gdp figures cession as the latest gdp figures published show. but the uk recorded no growth in the final quarter of last year. and whilst the chancellor hunt praised the economy is being more resilient than many feared , he did stress than many feared, he did stress that britain is not out of the woods yet. with me now, jasmine birtles, who personal birtles, who is a personal finance expert. jasmine thank you very much. well it's you very, very much. well it's been reported . well, we've we've been reported. well, we've we've narrowly missed recession. we've we've just missed it. but we did . this is good thing, isn't it

. this is a good thing, isn't it ? well, absolutely. yeah it certainly is a good thing, particularly because people particularly because only people in country. but people in this country. but people around world, particularly around the world, particularly the imf, have been saying, oh , the imf, have been saying, oh, the imf, have been saying, oh, the uk economy is in a terrible state. it's the worst in the g7 . you know, essentially we're not going to cope and. the inference said sometimes not said that it's because of brexit. okay right. but this is now what's a bit of a shot in the arm for brexit. britain yeah i think it is actually. it's certainly a shot in the arm for businesses generally because certainly we've been told over and over that things are terrible. people not going to spend and we see frankly it is difficult for a lot of people. i mean, i deal with personal finance on the whole. i'm talking people who read my website, money magpie or my column in, the daily mail, who are struggling. so if they're struggling to deal basic day to day bills, then that does mean that. they have little or no money, extra spend on fun things

here to spend the shop, spend in the restaurants, cafes, theatres, etc. so generally speaking, that means that the economy at large going to suffer. so the fact that, you know, that we've we've even just stage a the a level been going down is frankly a really sign. but also it did have quite a few labour campaigns popping up on the airwaves earlier on and they were wow you know, this were saying, wow, you know, this isn't a win at this because isn't a win at all this because just been flatlining. it's stagnant. break it. stagnant. they can't break it. this at us and then this a when look at us and then what they always say and this gets is they why look you gets me is they go why look you know last two and a bit know for the last two and a bit years, it's been a nightmare. well, yeah, it has we were locked down for a law that we have to pay vaccines. we to have to pay for vaccines. we to pay have to pay for vaccines. we to pay all of stuff. pay for all sorts of stuff. peevski drove tanks into peevski drove the tanks into ukraine. were also ukraine. people were also moaning the and i'm moaning about the damage and i'm quoting now that liz truss said caused to our economy. i'm still we've not into a recession. we've not gone into a recession. so some people would argue this is bit of a win but but what's is a bit of a win but but what's to come? i want you to look your

crystal ball for me and tell me what's around the corner. oh, good question . oh, yes. i think good question. oh, yes. i think we should come back in 12 months time get jasmine . you said time and get jasmine. you said this. will drive anywhere up, this. we will drive anywhere up, i you. so you better get i promise you. so you better get it, yeah that's what it's it, right? yeah that's what it's going to be a mix. how about that for a good answer? it's going to be a mix of good and bad. i think that we are going see in the short term a of inflation. but i think that's a short term thing. what i mean by short term thing. what i mean by short term thing. what i mean by short term is i think 6 to 12 months, i think after we're going to see prices come back up again later on. and that's largely because of the amount of money printing that went on over the last two or three years, which never have happened, in my view i think we are to have some some issues perhaps again short with with property. but i think that's going to improve. and i think people are going to be buying houses, buying flats again. so i think gradually we

will pick up, but it's going to be a gradual thing and i think it's going to be a lot of ups and downs in it. okay indeed. and yeah, just for some facts and for to say that and for people to say that inflation, obviously, the rate at which prices are rising is slowing. but at 10.5, it remains close to a 40 year high on friday, which is today, the un also revised up its figures for july to september quarter to show that the economy shrank by nought point 2% instead of the previous estimate, a 0.3% for now. in case you didn't know economics is not necessarily my strong point. my bank manager will you amazon is will tell you that amazon is paid money, you know, but just in terms of us talking ourselves down as a country, which only thing doing a lot thing we're doing quite a lot and done it frankly and we've done it frankly throughout wouldn't throughout britain wouldn't survive brexit where we were the worst . we've got the highest worst. we've got the highest excess death to cope with. excess death rate to cope with. that absolute rubbish, that was absolute rubbish, by the we're not doing the way oh, we're not doing enough britain, enough on the world. britain, britain's enough for britain's never doing enough for everything now everything crisis. and now people saying, we've people are saying, well, we've just does just avoided such does it actually damage confidence in

britain when this because britain when we see this because i that various tech i saw that various high tech companies, astrazeneca for example, not everyone's favourite we've ever favourite companies we've ever astrazeneca to go astrazeneca we've decided to go and build a new headquarters in in and not here because in ireland and not here because of tax rates, etc. so just talking ourselves down and having high tax actually damages . yes i think that exactly right. both things. so talking yourself down, as with an individual so with with a country or , a company, you're country or, a company, you're going to get you expect you're going to get you expect you're going to get what you put out. so if we're constantly saying that and also to other countries saying , oh, you're not going to saying, oh, you're not going to be any good because of brexit, because we're getting it from america, we're getting it from europe getting from all sorts places oh, because of places saying, oh, because of brexit going to be brexit you're not going to be able cope. it's not true. it able to cope. it's not true. it literally isn't true. i mean, i've seen i've heard that a few years ago, some american i can't remember who it was, but it's an american commentator saying britain wouldn't be able to cope because it wouldn't have it would have huge amounts of

unemployment after brexit. well, no, not all. we can't we can't get enough people in you know with that that's the situation . with that that's the situation. then i'm going i'm going to have to i'm going to have to nip it now. just i could listen to you all day but we do have to keep you, i'm afraid. thank you very, very much. tells me, birtles, that personal finance expert reacting to fact things reacting to the fact that things aren't necessarily as bad as we thought they were economically. you're christys you're with me, patrick christys on now a of nicola on gb news now a of nicola bailey missing bailey who's, the missing commentator described commentator has described waiting for answers on where she is torture . i come is almost like torture. i come back. we will speak to a forensics psychologist about what might have happened to her. also as well, i beg tory rule brewing about whether or not we should send the navy into the channel gbviews@gbnews.uk. now the . it's the guidelines. it's. a 333 here. top stories from gb

newsroom. the toll has risen to more than 22,000 following monday's devastating earthquakes in southern turkey and northern rescue workers say what they call the golden period . finding call the golden period. finding survivors is closing amongst the devastation, though glimmers of hope. days on a ten day old baby has been rescued along with his mother . back here, has been rescued along with his mother. back here, an appeal by the uk citizen emergency committee has raised than the uk citizen emergency committee has raised tha n £30 committee has raised than £30 million and its first 24 hours. turkey's president wretched tayyip erdogan, though, says rescue efforts aren't going as fast as he'd hoped. the millennia, despite the fact that gathered perhaps one of the largest search and rescue teams to the region. with more than 141,000 members. unfortunately it's a fact that we've not been able to respond as fast as we'd in the head of the white helmets response group has accused the un of failing to deliver aid to

rebel held areas. he's called the response , claiming the the response, claiming the region received any support since disaster struck, at least 3000. people are known to have died in the country. syrian president bashar al—assad visited , a hospital in aleppo visited, a hospital in aleppo this morning in his first reported trip to the affected . reported trip to the affected. back here, the chancellor has warned the uk out of the woods yet it's after the latest figures show the economy narrowly avoided falling into recession in the final quarter of last year . the data from the of last year. the data from the office for national statistics reveals the economy saw growth between october and december the final month , 2022 saw gdp down final month, 2022 saw gdp down 5.5. but overall , the annual gdp 5.5. but overall, the annual gdp grew . by 4.1. the chancellor has grew. by 4.1. the chancellor has welcomed the figures, but warns still more to be done . well, the still more to be done. well, the fact that we have recession, in fact, with the fastest major country last year shows there is underlying resilience in the uk

economy. but we are not out the woods. inflation is still much too high. that is causing pain . too high. that is causing pain. families up and down the which is why we need stick to our plan to halve inflation if we do that and play to our strengths in science technology, we really can be one of the most prosperous countries in europe. tv online and dab+ radio is gb news don't go anywhere , patrick. news don't go anywhere, patrick. we're back in just a moment.

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scale of this outrage . i want to scale of this outrage. i want to see senior officials held legally to account on gb news grooming gangs. britain's shane . yes welcome back, everybody. i've got some breaking news , i've got some breaking news, actually, and it's just been announced in the last few seconds that the rmt union has rejected latest offers from both network rail the train operating companies . the union has companies. the union has announced it will get a bit more detail on that and drill into exactly what those offers, mainly because it's not just about pay it about conditions as well. said, when we get well. like i said, when we get that info, bring to that info, we'll bring it to you. but crucial point now you. but the crucial point now is has been rejected, so it is it has been rejected, so it almost doesn't really matter anyway. now been two anyway. anyway it's now been two weeks the of two, weeks since the mother of two, nicola to st nicola bulli, sadly to st michaels the y in lancashire. michaels on the y in lancashire. and as police ramp up all their efforts her with efforts to try and find her with extending search efforts as well , they've now spread them out to sea. been numerous sea. there have been numerous theories as to

theories in the internet as to what possibly happened to what could possibly happened to nicola. joining me now is dr. keri nixon, a consultant forensic psychologist. thank very, very much. and we're now, i think, 13 day, 14 days into this now and certainly right at the start of it, everyone . right the start of it, everyone. right not to speculate. the police are pretty adamant as they still are that nicola fell into the river and whatever else has happened after that . and certainly we after that. and certainly we don't want to delve into the realms of vile speculation and finger pointing. but at the same time, is a case that's time, this is a case that's gnpped time, this is a case that's gripped the nation and. well, frankly, at point , frankly, at the point, speculation is quite massive. so carrie, in your capacity as a forensic psychologist, what do you make of the theory that nicola fell into the river? i think it's very important what you've just said there is that we speculate. you know, the police are led by the information they have at the scene and the information that they witnesses. and we they get the witnesses. and we need the police do their need to let the police do their job and. however, it's seeming that at the moment with the

specialists have been specialists that have been search the that search ing the river, that they've not found nicola. so that begs the question, where she she can't just disappear. and they all, you know, and so now they all, you know, looking at this, this things that the police are looking at, there's the the day there's the gap on the day between when she was last seen and when she was reported missing . also today, there's new missing. also today, there's new information that's come to light information that's come to light in terms of the sighting of a wreck. and so that does appear to be some other avenues that the police are exploring. but then what if officers still that she's she's in the water? what i think is interesting is that like you've rightly identified that days i was being told we were all being told by police there's this ten minute window. we can't account for this minute window. well, today woke up and there's a two hour window. i supposedly and then there's this talk red van. and that talk of this red van. and that was only one six tv black spot, as it were. i'm reading it. there's three of them. the big thing, me, though, and this is can someone really be? could

someone really be so utterly mistake killers as to have found all these black spots and then managed to evade full might of ring doorbell and police invest allegations and all of this in terms if she was taken, i mean, it would be have to be almost an in this kind of stuff wouldn't it. it seems absolutely unlikely hence the police is working hypothesis is that she fell into the water because of that very reason a woman walking along doesn't just disappear and we have a lot of cctv now we have people with phones we have as you said dash cam footage so it seems implausible that she would just disappear. but you know in an investigation you also be closed off to avenues and this van sighting has to be explored and the guy has to be explored and the guy has to be explored and that's what the police are doing today . this the new

doing today. this the new information coming to light. yeah, indeed. and can i just ask just a little bit about yourself ? you don't mind in terms of what a console, forensic what is a console, forensic psychologist ? what kind of psychologist? what kind of things are you looking at? oh, i do lots of different . so i work do lots of different. so i work on risk assessments , offenders, on risk assessments, offenders, treatment of offenders . i do treatment of offenders. i do a lot of work for the courts , lot of work for the courts, assessments of different of people, murderers , offenders. people, murderers, offenders. and i also work with the general population with in terms of mental health as well. yeah obviously. and i'm also just keen just lastly, if you don't mind, is look another point this is that the question marks over well, you know, could nicola really decided to disappear herself in that sense and that is something that's floated around. clearly the police doubted that that was the case. so people are saying, well, it would be incredibly unlikely. carrie, you know, she's got a couple of kids and it's not the kind of that anyone going kind of thing that anyone going to she was work etc. to do. she was on a work etc. your your views on that side of it? absolutely. i agree that

just just not seem like a possibility when. you look at when somebody disappears . you when somebody disappears. you look person and you look look at the person and you look at things that are going round in the person's life. you know, the fact that dropped the fact that she dropped a children off, where was she going day? plans that she going that day? plans that she had know, the will have had and you know, the will have done would have looked done that they would have looked at that going at everything that was going on in life and to the in her life and to the conclusion it's highly conclusion that it's highly unlikely she just unlikely that she would just that would her own that she would from on her own behalf. seems very the behalf. that's seems very the whole the whole whole thing the whole thing, carrie, incredibly unlikely carrie, is incredibly unlikely as say, you know, the even as in, say, you know, the even if even police and that's what makes it such a case for the nation. what people are nation. i think what people are so invested in this is just that evenidea so invested in this is just that even idea of the most likely opfion even idea of the most likely option supposedly going option supposedly of her going in then now not being in river but then now not being found and, managing to supposedly take a route that would incredibly unlikely in order to make it out to the bay area and stuff. i mean, every different element of. this just is so unlikely. but dr. carey, thank you very much. doctor carey, now a consultant, forensic that's the latest on the nicola bailey case. and

sadly, there's not really much more than that at more info than that at the moment than fact that the moment than the fact that the police now saying and police are now saying and relatives say there's a two relatives now say there's a two hour window that they're looking at. of course, that was initially just minutes. it initially just 10 minutes. it was ram, if ask me was a bit ram, if you ask me also as well. there's three cctv black spots as opposed just one. so is very much developing so it is very much developing a sighting a van, but that sighting of a red van, but that is the latest that we're moving on time for our gb on now. it's time for our gb news people's poll . as the drama news people's poll. as the drama into this week, we've been asking the public which party they think would brexit better . they think would brexit better. the results are very close with 17. that's one in seven saying that labour would manage brexit the best and 16% saying the conservatives 40% aren't sure either way. so there's a risk conservatives 40% aren't sure either w the paper between it, ladies and gents. so could you now trust the labour party ? brexit? that's the labour party? brexit? that's the labour party? brexit? that's the big question here. had to go toe toe belinda lucy , toe to toe is belinda to lucy, former brexit mep and former brexit party mep and political commentator . sir, political commentator. sir, i

know course peter was as well know of course peter was as well former editor of last piece i will start with you. could we trust labour with brexit what does that really mean. yeah i think that the line in the sand drawn keir starmer you know he said on day one to respect the result of the referendum , labour result of the referendum, labour flirted with the idea of single and customs union. several years ago. that's been dropped and really , as you know, we've really, as you know, we've talked about lots of the seats in the so—called red wall in the north england they used to north of england they used to vote labour. were concerned vote labour. they were concerned over but actually, over brexit, but actually, labour bit of support labour lost a bit of support from about 2005 onwards. so keir starmer an air of competence, but also honesty and consistency , referendum result is all part of that blender. i'll throw over to you because from where i'm sitting we kind of know we can't trust the tories in brexit because they've been in and many would argue they've not really delivered brexit. yes so i can understand why people feel like they can't trust the conservatives because they've they've to be in leadership so

they've to be in leadership so they've actually been tested with it. however i would say there are a huge amount of mps in parliament that deeply believe in brexit and the uk making its own laws, whereas when it comes to trusting labour trust, keir starmer with managing brexit, as far i would trust michel barnier. managing brexit, as far i would trust michel barnier . with trust michel barnier. with managing brexit there has been no evidence to show that in his actions , to show that he's actions, to show that he's suddenly a convert this is a man that was such , so strongly that was such, so strongly believed in eu. he was prepared to rerun the brexit referendum . to rerun the brexit referendum. it had been implemented and campaigned for remain this is a man who voted 48 times again last uk legislation is a man who said in 2020 that he would defend eu free movement and now he's saying it's a red line . the he's saying it's a red line. the only reason keir is saying this is because he thinks that's what people want to hear. you can never change someone who believes in the eu to be a

brexiteer. look what theresa did. he remained and he did manage brexit. he nearly destroyed it. to be honest with you, i've come close just banning that ladies name on this show past. but we can't show in the past. but we can't do without party. we can't do that . just to that to peter. i just want to get really on this because the point that belinda was making, which in a isn't she at least which is in a isn't she at least rishi sunak brexit. rishi sunak voted for brexit. keir starmer didn't and well massively flip flopped on the issue of whether or not we should go back and i'm just reading reports here as well of an unnamed unnamed shadow cabinet colleague of keir starmer i starmer saying over long run i can britain a member can see britain being a member the eu again and realistically think it's hard for the public, isn't that keir isn't to believe that keir believe that we're better out . i believe that we're better out. i don't think that's the right premise. i think the premises has been a referendum with a record breaking turnout and keir starmer said he accepts the result. and you know, four or five years ago labour party five years ago the labour party being the same being attacked by the same people but for the opposite reason , which is about where reason, which is about where could forge economic links through things like the customs

union. now it's not saying that the same people , including the same people, including reform party and party are attacking them for saying something different. the other point i'd make really goes to competence is i had a quick look. there's a yougov poll in january and shows labour just january and shows labourjust ahead economy and on the ahead on the economy and on the nhs. but even with narrow lead on the issue of asylum and immigration which will come as a little bit of a surprise. yeah it doesn't show the competence radiates an income across the government is contagious a piece of i'll stick with you in front of i'll stick with you in front of the word to belinda on this i'm quite keen to get your take now as somebody who is former editor of labour list, i'm going to check for us. did you vote remain. yeah, i vote to yet, sir. so now you are the kind of person who the british public will be looking at and go, you labour supporter voted remain . labour supporter voted remain. but if you were to come into power now, have to power now, we would have to trust to make the best of brexit. what would you do, peter, to make brexit a success. i think first we have to respect

the result , but secondly i think first we have to respect the result, but secondly i think we need much closer economic and social links with europe and that's that's not about going back in. it's not about another vote, but it seems like small boats crisis have shown us it's actually in all our interests work with neighbouring countries rather than have a rather confected for party political gain . belinda, confected for party political gain. belinda, final confected for party political gain . belinda, final word to you gain. belinda, final word to you i suspect that's why a lot of people might be a little bit miffed, which is that i don't whether or not the labour angle making success of brexit does making a success of brexit does appear. making a success of brexit does appear . be making a success of brexit does appear. be let's try and get closer the eu a bit. yes what closer to the eu a bit. yes what i by labour managing brexit i mean by labour managing brexit in the same way as if we had it, it's michel barnier. it would be keeping alignment. tony institute global change came institute for global change came out with a paper reckoned mending uk ministers had the power to realign laws eu power to realign our laws eu laws. it makes it much easier slip. he's not in the right. he's not a labour mp, he's not a labour mp . don't trust labour at labour mp. don't trust labour at all. at least for the conservative party. yes, they've been disappointing. but they

fighting a battle against civil service, many of them all labour would submit neil down that civil service and would be back in the eu within second term. yes wouldn't be the first time that keir starmer has the name to be but linda, thank to be fair. but but linda, thank you very much linda delay, the former and former brexit party mep and political commentator , of political commentator, and of course evans well for course peter evans as well for minister less chairs, minister of labour. less chairs, both thank very much. both of you. thank very much. right. okay. now this is a big one for us as well, because tory, we a little bit tory, we heard a little bit about small boats crisis. we about the small boats crisis. we mentioned that tory deputy chairman has called chairman lee anderson has called for illegally cross for migrants who illegally cross the to the channel to be returned to france, the same day aboard a navy warship. the royal navy has been responsible for operation , been responsible for operation, tackling the small boats crossings for the last months apparently, but is now handed response to home office response over to the home office . rishi sunak has made tackling crisis one of the five priorities which you could just condense back into three. but there we go. of his but so far there we go. of his but so far the number arrivals has only continued to grow and the way the estimates are that it could be last year which i be double last year which i think lot us would agree is

think a lot of us would agree is shocking. now is shocking. we with me now is immigration lawyer dean morgan. dean thank you very much. just in terms of the law , could we in terms of the law, could we put a load of channel migrants on a warship and send them back to france? well, my concern about using a warship is that , about using a warship is that, you know, our own forces are being trained to kill the trains, to defend us and to fight a foreign enemy, the migrant that are crossing. whilst that may be economically migrants, they're not the enemy of the and so that's if you of the uk. and so that's if you look at america, they have a us coastguard they separate coastguard for a they separate the us navy which is obviously protects against foreign enemies and their coast guard. so i don't understand why this isn't a border force issue , why the a border force issue, why the border doesn't have border force doesn't have cutters that like the us cutters that could like the us with cuban migrants that come across to florida do the same thing because it's a police thing because it's a police thing it's not an armed force issue . yeah, i suspect the issue. yeah, i suspect the argument lee anderson would make. of course it's however would be that in some weekends you can have upwards of 1200 people crossing the channel. and

so don't necessarily have the border force ships, the coastguard ships of that particular size. i do also think the point that he's making is that warship basically would that a warship basically would be a visible symbol of a deterrent and as long as it isn't shooting at people which, let's be honest, it's not going to, it's such a bad thing. well, i mean, last january, though, obviously, royal navy was pushing back against because this story comes up time to this story comes up from time to time and over again. the time over and over again. the navy's going get involved the navy's going to get involved the navy's going to get involved the navy get involved. you navy doesn't get involved. you know, goes the home know, it goes to the home office. to the office. it comes back to the again. they get again. then they get an agreement with france. nothing ever and you ever happens with that. and you can't the french can't really blame the french can't really blame the french can you? because we can't be can you? because if we can't be bothered, defend our shores, why they us. so but but they do it for us. so but but they do it for us. so but but the problem for me is, is that would not more of would it not be more of a deterrent if were a dedicated coastguard ships patrolling the channel 24 seven with the latest equipment because the government doesn't enough to money doesn't has enough to money that. they showed that with the pandemic that with pandemic showed that with the conflict ukraine friends conflict in ukraine my friends are other i guess i'll

are going the other i guess i'll get you're and it's get what you're saying and it's an important distinction that because coastguard because the way the coastguard is behaving at the minute is that they are essentially , in my that they are essentially, in my view, a bit of an uber service channel migrants. okay the other point in this not to get too bogged down in the optics of a warship the other point really about towing boats back to france and then having a standoff with the french. and if can we do that so forget the warships forget anything it channel in some of channel migrants in some of vessel being towed back into french waters and presumably just dropped off at the beach in a calais. well i mean, obviously, you know that there's extreme measure for us to take and obviously we can expect french pushback that. i mean really we need to reach an agreement with france where we're not asking them to do everything , do it all ourselves. everything, do it all ourselves. it's in our self—interest to do that. it's in our self—interest to do that . but to have it's in our self—interest to do that. but to have an agreement with them, whether they accept back rather than just them back rather than just dump them at leave them to drift at sea, just leave them to drift off mean, that's off into the i mean, that's unacceptable . i yeah, i think

unacceptable. i yeah, i think what lee anderson was saying, if i've got it correct, is that it would be basically a knock on the door to the french saying that we're here with a load of people on this boat right now and these all your problems. so we're whether you like we're coming in whether you like it or not and presumably then once back french once they're back in french waters, call the waters, if they have to call the immigration lawyer, wouldn't immigration lawyer, it wouldn't be doing what it would be be you doing what it would be a french one. that's correct. it would be french and eu would be under french and eu would be under french and eu would under eu law. so they would be under eu law. so they would be under eu law. so they would know, making would be, you know, making claims law. i mean, you claims under law. i mean, you this to be honest, you claims under law. i mean, you this to be honest , you the this to be honest, you the migrant crisis is global, whether it's south americans going to north america, whether it's africans coming to europe, there needs to be international agreements on this because until there is going have this there is just going to have this back forth , it's going back and forth, it's just going to worse. david thank you to get worse. david thank you very much. great morgan very much. great stuff. morgan who immigration lawyer ? who is an immigration lawyer? one i must say, i think one thing i must say, i think he's fascinating that is he's fascinating about that is about that if we do tow about the idea that if we do tow them into french society them back into french society waters, does legally, waters, then it does legally, according to law, to become a french eu problem unveiled or i

suspect would say that they are perfectly entitled to stay in another eu country. so maybe lee anderson has absolutely cracked it. .patrick christys i'll be back in a sec . good afternoon. back in a sec. good afternoon. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather updates. not much rain around this . not a huge rain around this. not a huge amount of sunshine either. will be fairly cloudy for most of us. it will be a bit warmer than it has been for much of this. here's the reason for the dry weather. a big area of high , but weather. a big area of high, but nofice weather. a big area of high, but notice the ice of us closely packed across the north. it is very windy out at the moment and this weather is still this weather front is still bringing outbreaks bringing some outbreaks of rain to highlands scotland to the highlands of scotland that last for much of the evening. still very gusty as well northern well over england, northern ireland scotland . the winds ireland and scotland. the winds will ease through the will slowly ease through the night. further south, winds are light. we could see a bit mr. fog, but generally this cloud keeping the temperatures well above freezing. we'll start the weekend at sixes and sevens for most. so as i said much milder than many a morning has been

this week . it will be than many a morning has been this week. it will be a than many a morning has been this week . it will be a fairly this week. it will be a fairly grade day tomorrow. lots of cloud we may continue to see some light rain and drizzle here and there. the hills , wales, and there. the hills, wales, some western coasts, the highlands of scotland. but for most it will be dry and we should see something a bit brighter as . well, as the day brighter as. well, as the day goes on, the cloud breaking a little bit to reveal a little bit blue and there and it bit blue sky and there and it will be quite for february will be quite mild for february ten, 11, 12, maybe 13 degrees sounds says not a great deal of change during saturday night if you're heading out dry and predominantly cloudy keeping things reasonably mild any breaks in the clouds could again temperatures to dip, maybe close to freezing and the thick cloud in north—west of scotland where there will still be brisk there will still be a brisk breeze blowing , may produce the breeze blowing, may produce the odd of drizzly rain as we odd spot of drizzly rain as we go into sunday. but most again, the on sunday. so lighter the winds on sunday. so lighter than today and just a lot of cloud around over central and eastern parts , the west and eastern parts, the west and across parts of scotland . but a across parts of scotland. but a chance on sunday of seeing some

long spells of sunshine and again will be on the mild side with temperatures mostly 9 to 11 degrees celsius. that's all for me for now. goodbye .

it's 4:00. it's friday and the weekend is nearly with us. you're with me. take you all the way through until p m. now, a little bit of breaking. we brought you earlier. some more updates. the rmt has updates. the rmt union has rejected a new offer from national rail and train operating companies, which is aimed resolving this long running dispute over paid jobs, conditions, stopping strikes conditions, stopping the strikes we know the school by now, the union that it was union has said that it was seeking uncle additional pay seeking on uncle additional pay offer . well as security offer as. well as job security agreements and no detrimental

changes being imposed on members terms , conditions or working terms, conditions or working practises. so a lot unpack that they will be doing that very, very shortly. nicholas sturgeon now moving on, could be out of step . scottish voters on the step. scottish voters on the transition . who could possibly transition. who could possibly have thought that? that is according to a new data from unheard third and it's found that the most trans communities in the uk are . wait for it. in the uk are. wait for it. ladies and gents, drum roll, please. in scotland. yes, there we go. that's despite nicholas sturgeon pushing radical trans rights agenda . well, we're rights agenda. well, we're speaking to the person behind two unheard polling data, and that's night is training on the job better than ? going to job better than? going to a university and getting a degree so it's the old apprenticeships first it is uni debate it's national apprentice week to celebrate . we'll be debating celebrate. we'll be debating whether it's correct to celebrate we'll see whether or know it's really worth forking out on tuition fees or if you should just get a job and learn your trade on. the fly, which i think we can all agree. what i've done with limited success

we will speak to the one and only charlie mullins about all this not deserve pay this on do not deserve a pay rise. that wages are rise. he adds that wages are going up by 2.9. it's just over 86,000. what say six and a half? do they really deserve it? and if so, how much you pay and pay should they turn the pay of a down? your thoughts through gb views our what you pay your mp but right now as the headlines. patrick thank you good afternoon . 4:10. i'm bethany elsey in the gb newsroom. the number people who've been killed following monday's earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria has risen to more than 22,000 rescue workers say the window for finding survivors is closing, but there are still glimmers of hope. several children have been pulled from the rubble today, including a ten day old baby and mother. he were rescued after surviving four days in a

collapsed building . an appeal by collapsed building. an appeal by the uk's disasters emergency committee has raised more than £30 million in its first 24 hours. turkey's erdogan says rescue efforts going as fast as he'd hoped due to military. despite the fact that we've gathered, perhaps one of the largest search and rescue teams to the region with than 141,000 members. unfortunately it's a fact that we've not been able to respond as fast as hoped in syria. the head of the white helmets response group has accused the un failing to deliver aid the rebel held areas. he's called the response catastrophic , claiming the catastrophic, claiming the region had not received any support since the disaster struck. at least 3000 people are known to have died in the country. syrian president bashar al—assad has visited a hospital in aleppo . al—assad has visited a hospital in aleppo. his al—assad has visited a hospital in aleppo . his first reported in aleppo. his first reported visit to the affected . and in visit to the affected. and in the last half an hour, the rmt

union has rejected the latest offers from both network rail and train operating companies in and train operating companies in a long running dispute over pay . the union's general secretary, mick lynch , has called the mick lynch, has called the offers dreadful . meanwhile, offers dreadful. meanwhile, ambulance workers in england have been striking today in their dispute over paid jobs and conditions. around 50,000 staff have been taking part in the walkout with unison members balloting . another 10,000 over balloting. another 10,000 over the coming weeks. balloting. another 10,000 over the coming weeks . university the coming weeks. university employees also on strike for the second day this week with more than thousand staff, second day this week with more than thousand staff , 150 than thousand staff, 150 universities taking action . the universities taking action. the has warned the uk isn't out of the woods yet after the latest figures show the economy narrowly falling into recession last. narrowly falling into recession last . data from the office for last. data from the office for statistics shows the overall annual gdp rate grew by 4.1. but the economy saw zero growth in the final quarter 2022. jeremy

welcomed the figures, but warns still more to be done . well, the still more to be done. well, the fact that we have avoided recession, in fact, with the fastest growing major country last year shows there is underlying resilience in the uk . but we are not out of the woods. inflation is still much too high. that is causing pain for families up and down the country . which is why we need to country. which is why we need to stick to our plan to halve inflation. and if we do that and play inflation. and if we do that and play our strengths in science and technology , we really can be and technology, we really can be one of the most prosperous countries in europe. the government says it's been assured by every energy in the uk that they will stop forcefully installing pre—paid metres for vulnerable customers . the regulator ofgem launched investigation after reports not all suppliers were following rules. meanwhile, the chancellor there's no major new initiative to help those struggling with the cost of their bills when the price cap in april. bills set to increase from two and a half

thousand pounds to 3000. ukraine's minister says russia has launched than 50 missiles at the country . kiev's mayor, the country. kiev's mayor, vitaly klitschko claims ten have been shot down over capital. the attack has caused damage to power grids at six locations, but there are no confirmed casualties. schools in kyiv have been forced to evacuate and continue with their classes at an underground station . europe an underground station. europe to date on gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now, though, it's back to . patrick okay . back now. scotland might , okay. back now. scotland might, not be totally in favour of nicola sturgeon's approach to transgender rise. a new poll from the publication has found that in scottish people are also trans sceptical that english

people. so this is a story that we've been covering quite a lot earlier on this week certainly, last week and a little bit before that as well. what nicholas sturgeon looking nicholas sturgeon was looking to plough snp looking plough ahead and the snp looking to backed by to plough ahead backed up by labour as well. it must be said out conservatives about out of some conservatives about whether not the lib dems got whether or not the lib dems got all of them basically, about whether or not basically there should be more rights trans should be more rights for trans people able to assign people to, be able to assign that on sex and. it that gender on their sex and. it led a massive debate. did it led to a massive debate. did it say about what woman? as if say about what is a woman? as if that debate also about that is a debate also about women's it's all women's safety anyway, it's all been going on, despite the fact that last month the scottish parliament pass gender parliament did pass this gender recognition and reform bill. so that . now the that happened. now the legislation which blocked legislation which was blocked by westminster reduced westminster would have reduced the a person can the minimum age. a person can apply for a gender certificate to 16. it would also removed the need for a medical diagnosis , need for a medical diagnosis, evidence of having lived for two years in acquired gender. so years in an acquired gender. so essentially we see farcical scenes like a male rapist who just puts a on and paints his nails and buys himself a handbag and a frog being sent to a

woman's as a woman. and that so fine. nothing to see here. people rightly were angry. joining is man behind joining me now is the man behind the is . freddie says was the poll is. freddie says it was the poll is. freddie says it was the editor of unheard. the executive editor of unheard. freddie, thank you very great to have on show. just talk have you on the show. just talk us this poll before we us through this poll before we chat bit of the wider chat about a bit of the wider issue to it here. so this whole so—called trans issue , this so—called trans issue, this question of gender recognition or whether people can identify differently has become a bit of a culture war. and there's very much good information about what people really think about it. so we this massive poll we conduct this massive poll with 5000 and with more than 5000 people and have statistical analysis have done a statistical analysis and applied to of the 632 constituent seats in the uk , constituent seats in the uk, what they are most likely to think and the results are really quite surprising. first of all, scotland , which you might think scotland, which you might think of as sort of leaning when it comes to a comparison england, turns out, is more sceptical about some of these trans issues than england. and of course, as you mentioned in the introduction, nicholas sturgeon scottish first minister, has

been really at the forefront of this issue and. they've really been talking about it for months . so i think it's possible to kind of suppose that the more people talk about it, the more it's in the news , more it it's in the news, more it becomes a real world matter law that might actually affect your life the more sceptical and the more concerned people become . more concerned people become. yeah, exactly. so this is the definition. that is something that i think a lot of us have been saying for a very long time, which is politicians caving in to a very vocal, flag waving minority . it caving in to a very vocal, flag waving minority. it is a minority . well when you look minority. well when you look over all the whole country , it's over all the whole country, it's quite interesting . people are quite interesting. people are not remotely the phrase goes transphobic . no, that's a not remotely the phrase goes transphobic. no, that's a real bedrock of support for the ability , the small minority of ability, the small minority of people who do have gender dysphoria to identify as a different gender. and actually, that's across the country . that's across the country. astonishingly, in every single constituent see, we polled that

, same result is found. so it's a wash of green when it comes to the ability of people to change gender if they want . but when gender if they want. but when you ask about the practical , you ask about the practical, should people should women be allowed into women's spaces such as changing rooms and bathrooms and of course, most controversially, prisons ? yeah, controversially, prisons? yeah, the results are much sceptical and quite clearly . and then of and quite clearly. and then of when you ask people about sport , it's even more so. in fact, there is literally one constituency in the whole country tended to think trans women should be allowed in women's sport. and that was central. yes well, there you go. i mean, there's a lot of people out there who i know watch this programme single day. they email me all the time. gb views gb dot uk awash with saying well uk is awash with saying well maybe massively out of touch here. maybe just not with it. maybe i'm always an age and i just don't understand what these newfangled gender issues are. and then you look at some cracking that we've got here from unheard, and look at

from unheard, and you look at who least in agreement with who is least in agreement with transgender women. some people would just men are being would just say men are being allowed to use spaces for women. such as women's toilets. change changes and the least in agreement in the country we've got ayrshire, we've got ayr, we've got our bute, a perthshire somewhere. i can't pronounce stirling . i've got one there in stirling. i've got one there in wales and bath and she azure you catch my drift. which is basically a of these are in scotland appears be the scotland which appears be the place where they're pushing the vast majority of them are pushing to try get this stuff pushing to try to get this stuff and that some argue, is and that some would argue, is suicide . i think it shows how suicide. i think it shows how problematic this could be nicholas sturgeon definitely it's already caused us some difficult in the past weeks . but difficult in the past weeks. but what it suggests i think that the more people are exposed to it because it can be this quite theoretical strange question , a theoretical strange question, a lot of ordinary people have never thought about. at which point then very strong feelings about it. but the more it's the news and the more governments

like the scottish government trying to take forward actual changes , the law, people start changes, the law, people start to pay attention to it and they start polarise. and that's definitely what we've seen in scotland. so that's why nine out of ten of the constituencies that most opposed are that are most opposed are in scotland. look, thank you scotland. okay look, thank you very, very much. freddie grey stuff. great on this poll stuff. great work on this poll as well. urge everyone as well. i would urge everyone to have a look at unheard to go and have a look at unheard on this and just type in scotland gender against it. you will this. and so will find the of this. and so when anyone ever does decide to shout in the street and shout out you in the street and say, oh, you're a massive transfer, we can just look at this and go, actually, what this poll and go, actually, what i pretty much while i think is pretty much while most freddie, most people think that freddie, thank freddie thank you very much. freddie says that the executive editor of unheard right now with me is neil mp for kirkcaldy neil is alba mp for kirkcaldy and cowdenbeath. believe and cowdenbeath. neil i believe he's yes, he does bring he's there. yes, he does bring neil the fray. he's like neil into the fray. he's like a man. right. so. well, thank man. all right. so. well, thank you much. now, this poll, you very much. now, this poll, i think, a representation of think, is a representation of what people suspected what a lot of people suspected was case. and the reality is was the case. and the reality is now that nicholas sturgeon and co stand up and say anyone who

disagrees with me is the wrong side of history and is a massive transphobe because it's kind of most people isn't net. yeah. i mean it's been a really difficult journey for those of us who have been trying to address this problem in a constructive way for last three and a half years . and none of and a half years. and none of this is a surprise . said this to this is a surprise. said this to you before patrick and but what we've effectively seen is such vicious campaign led by people who claim to be trans rights advocates or allies pushing an agenda that is done in such an aggressive way that it is actually people less sympathetic to the plight of people with gender dysphoria . and it seems gender dysphoria. and it seems to have got into the public consciousness particularly on the back of the neo one. one thing that one thing that really wins me up. neil about of this and it really does that whenever

anyone has any pushback any of these woke issues, they tried to call would transphobic they tried to call you a racist so they tried to say whatever and then you then they always go, oh, you know look, whipping know what, look, it's whipping up hatred, but actually up all this hatred, but actually what this poll does is really shoot that down because when people across the uk are people right across the uk are asked, should people be to identify to being a different gender as the one that they were basically do, you care if i said i was a woman now and basically net agree is everywhere and that coloured that in green and that's right across the uk so people don't care people do not give a stuff whether or not i said i was a woman what they do care about what they really care about that they don't think i should allowed into a women's should be allowed into a women's changing room and the question of safety and think of safety and that i think shnnks of safety and that i think shrinks down a lot of these people saying that it's about trans no actually trans it's no it's actually about women's safety. neil well, i mean it's actually wider than that. think it's about safeguarding generally and part of this whole narrative has that

anyone who says that a woman is anyone who says that a woman is a woman and i'm not is fundamentally flawed we've seen lots of concerns about young people being affirmed on to a trans journey only to regret that later once they've been exposed to and cross—sex hormones and so—called puberty blocker chemicals and this is a really important issue to get right it deserves be treated sensitively and unfortunately the way that it's been handled is just been absolutely back to front and there are safeguarding concerns way there are women's rights and not in any way diminishing that that's no use and i spoke out in the first place. but now can i can i think you're absolutely spot on the i would argue the other safeguard home right is about kids and we are hearing a lot and in fact, a book has been nominated for the children's of the year prize, which does include even a diagram of what appears to be a

naked, quote unquote girl talking imaginary genitalia and all of this stuff . and people all of this stuff. and people are concerned about this stuff being pushed onto kids. and when you look again at the polling data, it's not necessarily about whether or not should be allowed to identify as that, but it's about people using women's space is taking part is also about people taking part in women's sport. men part in women's and make me women's sport. and does make me wonder, you look at wonder, when you look at this polling is that polling data, neil, why is that the push to make take the big push to make kids take in things big pride events in things like big pride events or them answer the question or make them answer the question as not they've as to whether or not they've been into the wrong body? been born into the wrong body? yeah, no. i mean, it's really i'm this agenda has been i'm deeply this agenda has been pushed very forcefully the scottish government over the last years, including questions in the school census, about sexual behaviour, you know, children to be allowed to be children to be allowed to be children . you know when my were children. you know when my were seven and eight they would be you know builders one woman princess the next. it didn't mean that they wanted to commit to that identity for the rest of

their lives it was a fantasy and not normal of child development . introducing concepts like aduu . introducing concepts like adult identity into , a adult identity into, a children's vacuum is really irresponsible. children don't have the cognitive ability to know the schools themselves and identity . it's highly identity. it's highly irresponsible . the clinic irresponsible. the clinic clinical staff been involved in some of the i care that has led to young and effectively self—harming by mutilating bodies when they weren't ready to that decision really need to be held to account. okay now now maybe that is an albert mp kirkcaldy and cowdenbeath thank you very much. just reacting to the polling data that frankly will a sigh of will come as a big sigh of relief for. a lot of that relief for. a lot of people that actually majority of actually the vast majority of people that think i'd say people out that think i'd say a bit like you and a like i, bit like you and a bit like i, which is that, you know, maybe men should be allowed to live in spaces. there we right. spaces. there we go. right. we're and this we're moving on. and it's this breaking because as you

breaking news now because as you just the has announced just heard the rmt has announced that has rejected the latest that it has rejected the latest offers both network rail offers from both network rail and companies. and train operating companies. all rmt boss mick lynch described . the office is described. the office is dreadful. with me now to discuss this in more detail is, news this in more detail is, gb news is national reporter paul . paul this in more detail is, gb news is nati�*you reporter paul . paul this in more detail is, gb news is nati�*you very rter paul . paul this in more detail is, gb news is nati�*you very muchiul . paul this in more detail is, gb news is nati�*you very much and paul this in more detail is, gb news is nati�*you very much and have thank you very much and have rejected. well, what have they actually rejected? right. yeah. let's you of the let's let's remind you of the offer so they've rejected the offer so they've rejected the offer from network from the offer from network and from the train companies that train operating companies that are by the rail are represented by the rail delivery, overarching body delivery, the overarching body in both in effectively both both organisations that were around the every group had offered them 9% over two years. that's improved pay offer of 1. so 9, four and 5% one for the previous yean four and 5% one for the previous year, one for the year coming. okay, so 9% over two years guaranteed . pay okay, so 9% over two years guaranteed. pa y £1,750 payment guaranteed. pay £1,750 payment for those who want the lowest paid no guaranteed until the end of next year. previously that was april next year. they then they kind of improved offer towards the end of next year. and then in terms of the conditions attached and this is

key, it's not just about pay, also about conditions the, creation of multi—skilled station roles, creation of station roles, creation of station groups. so if one station groups. so if one station was short staffed down the line from another station staff , from that station where staff, from that station where they probably self couldn't be moved. so moving staff stations effectively , part time effectively, part time contracts, flexible working and the formalisation of current voluntary arrangements. on sunday it's conditions it's pay the unlike aslef who just flat out rejected that group aslef which represents train drivers? yeah, the rmt went away and thought it for a while. i spoke to mick lynch. he said, we're going to he said we're not standing up to applaud offer but we all going to think about it. so went out on on a kind of roadshow they didn't officially ballot they ballot their members but they kind put on a roadshow and kind of put on a roadshow and consulted members they've consulted members and they've come they've said come back and then they've said it it dreadful come back and then they've said it effectively it dreadful come back and then they've said it effectively and dreadful come back and then they've said it effectively and they'rel come back and then they've said it effectively and they're not and effectively and they're not accepting they're going accepting so they're all going to be more talks. we don't have dates for those talks yet. i spoke to the department for

transport. have a response from the department transport on the department for transport on the department for transport on the would have thought the way. one would have thought there'll be response from there'll also be a response from there'll also be a response from the delivery and network the rail delivery and network rail. hopefully will rail. so hopefully there will be more if more talks scheduled. but if those talks don't go to plan, more talks scheduled. but if thosethere; don't go to plan, more talks scheduled. but if thosethere will|'t go to plan, more talks scheduled. but if thosethere will be 10 to plan, more talks scheduled. but if thosethere will be more 3lan, more talks scheduled. but if thosethere will be more strike then there will be more strike dates rmt said it will dates and. the rmt said it will continue for as long as possible right. so just so i'm absolutely clear on this. so they were given an offer 9% over two years, split up over two years, some kind of guarantee payment of 1750 said yeah, for lowest paid. yeah, i was made no and forced redundancies until the end of next year instead of april instead of april next yeah april instead of april next year. okay all on the formalisation of what sounded a bit like some kind of almost freelance part time work that was taking. yeah. of making was taking. yeah. kind of making it flexible trying it more flexible and then trying to change changed role to change change changed role change of role for the multi—skilled and then make rosters and job responsibility a bit flexible. so you can move people between stations, okay, so that down which is, so they turn that down which is, which is interesting. some people say that was people might say that was a decent suppose decent offer. i suppose obviously crucially not the people were in the unions at

people who were in the unions at the go, yeah, well, the minute and go, yeah, well, well, were key well, because they were the key the phrase if look the the key phrase if we look at the statement from our and from the rmt union has made rmt is that the union has made it clear it is seeking unconditional pay offer. unconditional. it's saying, unconditional. so it's saying, well, negotiate well, okay, we can negotiate on pay, well, okay, we can negotiate on pay, want these pay, but we don't want these conditions to it. now, conditions attached to it. now, the message from government for the message from government for the delivery from the rail delivery group from network always been network rail has always been there attached there have to be attached that you you can't just yeah you don't you can't just yeah can't just talk about pay there's be reform as well there's got to be reform as well there's got to be reform as well the unions would say no we're open to reform as well but we just these conditions are just think these conditions are unacceptable. but hey, we're talking an unconditional unacceptable. but hey, we're talkirthat an unconditional unacceptable. but hey, we're talkirthat is an unconditional unacceptable. but hey, we're talkirthat is fascinatingiitional unacceptable. but hey, we're talkirthat is fascinating okay.|l offer that is fascinating okay. isuppose offer that is fascinating okay. i suppose a little bit more detail on essentially will detail on this essentially will come out in the wash but yeah so basically to take the money, have the money, have pay rise and not from where i'm sitting and not from where i'm sitting and is i'm a union and this is why i'm not a union trade negotiator, but from where was is, you know, the conditions that appeared be attached to this offer seem to be quite good conditions for an improvement on the conditions that the workers already. well the pay the pay is

certainly they have watered down these , but it's still not enough these, but it's still not enough to. meet the red lines that the trade unions have set up. so they would say yeah, there's been some shift on it, but not where we think we need to be. yeah. and then meanwhile, you know, registry's know, the, the registry's using hundreds and hundreds of millions pounds. hundreds and hundreds of millions pounds . and of millions of pounds. and of course we talk about trying course when we talk about trying to economy, it's to grow the economy, it's difficult growing economy difficult to growing economy when you can't from to when you can't get from a to b we know the hospitality has lost about and a half about two, two and a half billion, 3 billion by billion, maybe 3 billion by now. who but billions of who knows? but is billions of pounds. so all this is pounds. and so all this money is being lost this dispute being lost while this dispute continues. paul, thank you very, very hawkins, our very much. paul hawkins, our national just bringing national reporter, just bringing you up date on that breaking you up to date on that breaking news the news about the rejecting the latest so, yes, we'll latest offer. so, yes, we'll have on that throughout the have more on that throughout the show. views show. doubt get your views coming the coming in on the vaiews@gbnews.uk. fascinating from all that from paul. that was all that detail with patrick detail you're with patrick christys. coming up, ambulance in the in london, yorkshire, the southwest , the north—east and southwest, the north—east and the north—west england. just throw it at the of england. throw it at the map of england. head strong. we'll speak to head is strong. we'll speak to one reporters who's on one of our reporters who's on the there next. we're the picket there next. we're also to talking about

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case, appears to be case, which appears to be unfolding which is unfolding as we speak, which is a in where there are a school in where there are black rights outside and it's all getting rocky, to say the least, in relation to an attack on a go at that school. so we'll bnng on a go at that school. so we'll bring you the latest on all of that. but before eunice, an ambulance workers, a staging starts across england today. the union strike ambulance workers across five services in england, london yorkshire, the south—west, the north—east on north—west. paramedics that caught up in a dispute over pay and staffing conditions. 70,000 university staff are also striking today across 150 universities in strike action called by the us. you a dispute over lecturers pay. cry me a river. well joining me now from london ambulance station hq is our reports are rae addison rae. oh yes . this is kicking our reports are rae addison rae. oh yes. this is kicking off behind you going on. yeah busy here patrick. so a lot lighter than it was this morning, i reckon. we got about 50 ambulance workers here behind me. 50 to 60 or 70 or so. and

they're really getting a lot of support, as you can hear from the public. lot of trucks, a lot of bus drivers, london bus drivers going past that holds people on their bikes, people on their scooters, some just walking past and clapping their handsin walking past and clapping their hands in support for strike action that's taking place here . there's around 5000 ambulance workers that belong to unison in london that around a thousand of them are on strike today. and of course, there is backup plans in place when emergencies are happening. i've personally seen groups of ambulance workers leave the picket and go in to tend to emergency cases. if there hasn't been somebody else to respond. now joining me to talk about the strikes is marcus davis. he's been in a paramedic for 23 years. he's also a senior rep with unison. marcus, thanks for joining us. obviously, forjoining us. obviously, morale is quite high . come morale is quite high. come a little bit closer. marcus brown's quite here. but what about morale overall among the your colleagues ? it's high

your colleagues? it's high across the ambulance service . across the ambulance service. since we started the industrial action had an increase in membership. so we've recruited nearly 1200 members since the end of last year to the present day, which i think is fantastic . these are people that have joined this because want to go out on strike. they want to support their colleagues. it pays very important to them. it's a very emotive subject . it's a very emotive subject. and, you know, as you can see, we've got a strong line we've got a very strong line behind us. what does it mean to you to get so much support from members of the past? members of the public past? i mean, it's great. this is the fourth one. and you know it could cynical thinking that could be cynical thinking that people would have a of an people would have a bit of an overload public with then so overload the public with then so become unsympathetic but this isn't case as you can and isn't the case as you can and you know people are too in their horns are stopping to horns people are stopping to have conversation with have a conversation with this the is overwhelming so the support is overwhelming so you've been working 23 years as a paramedic. how have you seen the service change in the last years or so? well, we've always had an increasing call rate. the types of job that we go to a

different when i started it used to be more and sort of to be a lot more and sort of life and limb cover anyway emergency calls over the last few years doing most of few years we're doing most of urgent lower acuity calls urgent calls, lower acuity calls , a lot of mental health calls and so in that respect, the types of jobs that we go to on a daily basis, i think a difference. so in terms of the reason why you're striking , reason why you're striking, you've up why you you've been offered up why you received a 4% rise last received a 4% pay rise last aroun d £1,400, why is that not around £1,400, why is that not enough? well they actually, i think, awarded that earlier in the year. i mean, it wasn't enough then. and then since the cost of living has gone up, inflation has increased at that four and a half figure is extremely low . okay, marcus, extremely low. okay, marcus, thank you very much for joining. appreciate it. patrick as you know, there's action taking place today and the union bosses are saying the unless the government gets around table action like this is set to continue for the next few months. right. thank you very much, ray allison. that i don't know about you, ladies and gentlemen, but just reacting to

that, does it not stick the cruel symbol when you see people who are sympathetic, as i am to people want in particular, pay rise ? i think a pay rise is rise? i think a pay rise is justified . absolutely. when it justified. absolutely. when it comes to health care workers, i don't think it should be way above inflation simply because i. i think can all afford it. i think you'd have to give everyone the pay rise. but does it not make you feel a bit squishy? you see people who are supposed lives currently supposed to be lives currently and you look at the state, our nhs is and you look at the state of public health moment and of public health at moment and there's a jovial atmosphere and can't help but wonder whether people are driving past, too, in our eyes. yeah. all right our own eyes. yeah. all right you they're all blowing you know, they're all blowing the all the whistle and they're all clapping. relatives clapping. did your relatives need today? i don't need an ambulance today? i don't know. they, because don't know. did they, because i don't think i be clapping think i would be clapping particularly that was the particularly if that was the case. then at the case. and then you look at the pay case. and then you look at the pay and people will say, pay rise and people will say, well nmps are paid a lot well nmps are already paid a lot more. yeah, i get all of more. and yeah, i get all of that expenses, i think that and mp expenses, i think it's a little bit of a false equivalence because frankly i do really look today really think that now look today alone, 137,000 are on this,

alone, 137,000 cars are on this, 137,000 non—urgent appointments are being cancelled as a result of the single strike action that's taking place us in the nhs. we're also saying now that that will go to life and limb. good luck for them because well the individuals that wireless well we're having to do a lot of other stuff as well so a lot of other stuff as well so a lot of other things well. so there's a lot of mental health issues and things. okay well not things. okay well you're not today. i get that maybe today. you and i get that maybe you up to, become a you didn't sign up to, become a paramedic nurse paramedic to go and nurse someone a health someone through a mental health crisis. and i do get that we need more mental health provisions in this and provisions in this country. and our paramedics our police our paramedics and our police force to as force shouldn't have to spend as much do with people much time as they do with people who, in urgent need. the same who, in urgent need. at the same time, will be people time, there will be people sitting or in the sitting at home or out in the street, whatever, on able to get medical result. this medical care as a result. this and i don't know about and look, i don't know about you. maybe full squad behind this stuff and if you are fine i want to hear from you gbviews@gbnews.uk losing gbviews@gbnews.uk i losing sympathy because i'm sympathy fast single because i'm just looking at it right now ? just looking at it right now? all these drugs are

haemorrhaging as many and also now costing lives. unequivocally costing i just find costing lives. and i just find that a little bit wrong. and i don't like seeing people happy about maybe just about it either. but maybe just me rant over with those. me friday rant over with those. are you getting touch now are you getting in touch now about own pay rise going about your own pay rise going says employees says of course our employees paid we've got paid poorly. okay, we've got their should be 200 grams with some talents and skills some of best talents and skills in these islands. yeah so. well look , again, is a tricky look, again, this is a tricky one because i would like to the case that if want to get the best and the brightest, then you need pay a of money need to pay a load of money because people just laggy because these people just laggy off collect half off into the city, collect half a take out wheelbarrows, go a bar, take out wheelbarrows, go out and do whatever they want on a night not to a saturday night and not have to worry about know a nasty worry about you know a nasty michael picture them michael style picture of them popping michael style picture of them popping and i get popping up on twitter. and i get all that stuff. however at all of that stuff. however at the time, you look at this the same time, you look at this crop of employees and you think, do a pay rise? what are do they a pay rise? what are they what have they done? they doing? what have they done? it's shower. len it's all a bit of shower. len says, patrick. if pay says, hi, patrick. if pay was according their ability then according to their ability then they the taxpayer, they should pay the taxpayer, not the other way round. okay, all fair enough. well, are you

with portugal stone he's with me? portugal stone he's coming away coming up. we'll move it away from going to and from drugs. i'm going to try and swerve as much as possible. mainly he's doing mainly because he's doing a disastrous for my blood pressure. be asking pressure. i will be asking if too many of our young people are going to university whether they should considering other should be considering other opfions should be considering other options scheme. got should be considering other 0|big1s scheme. got should be considering other 0|big debate, scheme. got should be considering other 0|big debate, all:heme. got should be considering other 0|big debate, all:hethat. got should be considering other 0|big debate, all:hethat. i'm got a big debate, all of that. i'm yes, i'll be returning as well. it's that that is frankly it's that story that is frankly gripping just in gripping people, not just in the inbox online well about inbox but online as well about block rights group protest, staying right outside , a school staying right outside, a school where a was attacked so family forever that cold it's all a bit of a paramilitary affair and yes it's kicked right off but now those yard lines . good afternoon those yard lines. good afternoon . 33 minutes past following bethany elsey c in the gb newsroom the number of people who've been killed following monday's earthquakes in southern turkey , northern syria has risen turkey, northern syria has risen to more than 22,000. rescue workers say the window for finding survivors is closing,

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not do enough to help the victim. well, the school's head teacher, richard beeston, responded by saying all steps were being taken to help the people. now obviously employees, a cross—section of employees, have in touch with the home secretary there, saying justice needs done. justice needs needs to be done. justice needs to served. there is also this to be served. there is also this is, i think, one of the really key things me about all of key things for me about all of this is a paramilitary style style group called forever family. there are black group who are wearing, family. there are black group who are wearing , from what i can who are wearing, from what i can gather anyway, what look like stuff and kind of fake combat gear who've decided to protest this school and call for the sacking of much absolutely everybody. this group was founded in the wake of the black lives matter protest. they want for the slave trade . prominent for the slave trade. prominent rappers have got involved . i'm rappers have got involved. i'm just wondering realistically or not, it's all going a bit too far. you know, there's a fight outside of school. terrible that always. and we'll have to wait and. our investigation and. see, as our investigation runs the fact runs its course of. but the fact is, know , do you mob up and is, you know, do you mob up and go protest outside just. i'm

go and protest outside just. i'm not sure i live here. at least in westminster. you more of in westminster. you have more of the details, believe, of the the details, i believe, of the political so employees political side this so employees for sure why for some i'm not sure why i decided to highlight this specific and go to town it with the home secretary what's happening happening . yes so happening happening. yes so essentially this horrific incident has , as you say, become incident has, as you say, become a big story on social media has sort of taken on a of its own, as it were, and what we've seen today is a letter from a cross—section of mostly labour and ps a couple of conservative mp in that and what it asking for is two specific things it's asking from the home secretary, it's asking the home secretary to look into the police response to. this incident at first the surrey police called it a fight between girls . this group of between girls. this group of m.p.s feels do justice to the situation . sorry, please. went situation. sorry, please. went on to say that it's a serious racially motivated attack, as you say. but that's the first

investigation. then the letter goes on to ask the education secretary to look into the safeguarding that the school has for black and asian students . for black and asian students. and this is where it really goes a step further. also to consider disciplinary action for those teachers and members of staff who it looks from the video stood by did very little when this attack was happening. i clarify . look looks from the clarify. look looks from the video. it's not clear exactly what happened. we don't know the full evidence. so that's quite a big step from this group of employees. and one mp, the mp for stratford bell are we both covering up for it but she's forward on twitter and actually called for the sacking. the teachers who who felt that who didn't who she believes didn't do enough. so it's a pretty intervention from this group from ps far the response from the leader of the of commons penny mordaunt, has simply been to say that the police investigation must run its full course . but as you say, it's course. but as you say, it's interesting that this group of

m.p.s have chosen to pick up this particular instance rather than other . this particular instance rather than other. yes. of aggravated assault that have taken place in the country. yeah. olivia look, thank you very, very much. olivia utley . she's in olivia utley. she's in westminster. she's our political reporter. and it is important to stay. very important to stay, which is certainly why not reading out this. reading emails out on this. there is active case going on there is an active case going on there. we certainly there. so we certainly don't want pass comment on too many want to pass comment on too many of intricacies of what of the intricacies of what happened, the happened, but you all get the gist and sure, you've seen gist and sure, you've all seen the videos one of the the videos on line. one of the concerns about this for concerns about all of this for me is group forever. it's a me is the group forever. it's a black rights group, which is up outside this school and are outside this school and they are wearing stab proof vests and kind of paramilitary gear, body armour, walkie talkies to that. and it's all quite intimidating. i understand they feel incredibly passionately this. they feel as though not enough is being taken when it comes to racially related incidents . racially related incidents. clearly, they feel like there's a wider societal problem and they want to make a point out of this and try to make sure that

this and try to make sure that this kind of thing allegedly doesn't happen again. some people say, is this a little of mob you know, the police mob rule? you know, the police all our own? and is it right now whenever an incident like this happens, of i it's happens, a group of i think it's fair to say, quite intimidate some in the sense of the some people in the sense of the way dress rock up way that that dress rock up outside and called the outside of school and called the sacking and all of sacking of people and all of this it doesn't sit comfortably with me we'll have to wait with me but we'll have to wait and of course case and see. of course this case rumbles moving them rumbles on. right. moving them on marks, national on this week marks, national apprenticeship where apprenticeship week, where the education sectors education and skills sectors come encourage come together to encourage students to uptake apprenticeships provide apprenticeships to help provide life people life skills to young people looking go employment. looking to go into employment. well, people going well, the number of people going into apprenticeships on into apprenticeships has been on the recent years as the rise in recent years as people are questioning the value of a university education and attitudes that starting to change on the day that everyone must have a degree especially i imagine, because the amount of debt that you rack up, the fact that lecturers are always on strike, it seems, our strike, these it seems, but our apprenticeships a better alternative going to alternative than going to university. thought on paper university. i thought on paper this topic it might a bit dry. well let's spice things up we

are joined by founder of pimlico plumbers charlie mullins. he thinks apprenticeships great. and is and also joining me now is commentator, a uni student is the wonderful hannah mcgovern. great stuff of thank great stuff both of you. thank you much. charlie i will great stuff both of you. thank you withnuch. charlie i will great stuff both of you. thank you with you.. charlie i will great stuff both of you. thank you with you. apprenticeships start with you. apprenticeships there's a bit of a stigma about it. why so? i think it's an old fashioned idea. they you fashioned idea. they say you should think to go to university and all that nonsense, but it's all old that i mean, i think it's 47% of graduates. thank a job when i when i pass with an apprenticeship, you will you're going to be learning why you're earning you've got an immediate job. there's a massive demand, massive skills shortage out there. and i think they should start a school level now. start from a school level now. you know, it's not that of academic then start teaching the skills and come electrics, you know, rather than get the gcse maybe a skill certification that would give credibility to them and also get them one year ahead in the workplace and personally i think is i think it's a no

brainer i think when blair said 50% of people should go to university, i now think you would probably say maybe 20% people pay the bills. people skills pay the bills. yeah, interesting stuff . and yeah, interesting stuff. and it's hard to argue. you certainly pay your bills also sure on a shoot it's from where i'm sitting you seem to get shafted left, right centre shafted left, right and centre because had the issue because you've had the issue with are in with covid where are locked in dorm rooms then you've got dorm rooms and then you've got lecturers strike now you lecturers on strike now and you come with that. why come out saddled with that. why is a good thing? i mean, is uni a good thing? i mean, i think the kind of mechanism of university a really beneficial thing students to kind thing for students to kind of pursue topic that they're pursue a topic that they're really passionate about but i think kind of been taken think it's kind of been taken over kind these over by kind of these bureaucratic sort of forces or the you deliberately targeting students education and then like for me, for example, i've not had a normal year at university. that's not been disrupted by lockdown by strikes. and i think for many young people that might kind of makes them question what's point of go to university but i think there's many benefits to it as well, especially when you're young, you don't necessarily know what

path to take when path you want to take when you're and pursuing you're young. and by pursuing degree, open doors for degree, it does open doors for some of those kind of jobs where you do require a degree to get into that. but then i also agree that i think it's kind of society is changing and you don't necessarily need a degree for all jobs any might get you completely about can you completely about can buy you time now with the best time now charlie with the best way world was rubbish way in the world i was rubbish every single practical trait i have a tip my hand so briefly okay i also didn't really okay and i also didn't really know what wanted know necessarily what i wanted to i was older. i mean, to be when i was older. i mean, i'm sure anyone would even i'm not sure anyone would even call this a job to be. but for me to university bought me a bit of time. it was expensive, but bought of time. do you bought me a bit of time. do you think that that could be a good avenue people, you avenue for people, or do you think people just be think that more people just be told? early with told? right, early doors, with great respect if you're not going to be like a nuclear physicist or something, why don't practical yeah don't get practical track? yeah i'll get it. so and you obviously have a few quid together. so for that i took a loan . yeah, yeah. a lot of

loan. yeah, yeah. a lot of people got that and i'm saying, you know, society is challenged. you need more and more people with skills. i mean everything that we going to build 300,000. yeah and you know bankers and finance and accountants they don't they don't build houses with degrees . it is a science with degrees. it is a science although all people a too soft these days. do you think people go. oh you know i don't actually want to get my hands dirty people they just want to sit around on so i can get a job in recruitment. well, you just said it. exactly that. i that it. i mean, exactly that. i that the advantage of getting the other advantage of getting an apprenticeship is, you learn life skills. i mean, sometimes you university and, you come out of university and, you come out of university and, you offer them counsel you you know, offer them counsel you that you shoelaces up. yeah and ever i've come across the wrong and i thought who's going to say yeah you know you learn yeah yeah you know you learn skills by doing an apprenticeship that's a good point as well. you know, does university actually prepare for life? i think it's for students. if you take the initiative and busy working experience and job opportunities yourself, then you can't build experience well. do you go , to grief. so for

you go, to grief. so for example, i've worked my high degree. went to school and i'm degree. i went to school and i'm working in pr a public affairs and alongside my study. and that's alongside my study. so it definitely can't done and i think with university as well there's many like the universities they put on like kind of seminars , they put on kind of seminars, they put on their societies for that introduce me to activities that you may not have been able to be exposed before when you're a school or otherwise. so i think university can kind of open doors to maybe kind of pursue interests that you may not have had the opportunity to do. so if you want it, you to stay and. i think for many students as well, you get into so much debt for students it's not an option. so why while you're doing your degree? because would be degree? because they would be able afford it otherwise. able to afford it otherwise. yeah, you know, yeah, i'm charlie. you know, i think in this country now, it's just furthering what we talked about earlier. i really think about earlier. i really do think there's a of people out there's a lot of people out there's a lot of people out there are very, soft there who are very, very soft when look in offended by when people look in offended by non . well, yeah. yeah, non hurting. well, yeah. yeah, exactly. and actually maybe exactly. yeah and actually maybe

spend a bit time somewhere spend a bit of time somewhere like pimlico when 16, like pimlico when they were 16, 17 or 18 months. so i'm out a bit yeah, well i think i'm agreeing you you know, agreeing you and you know, i think i, think you'll agree with me. i think know the degrees not, you know. there's life without a degree, you know, and not, you know. there's life vllhlnkl a degree, you know, and not, you know. there's life vllhink we degree, you know, and not, you know. there's life vllhink we justze, you know, and not, you know. there's life vllhink we just needu know, and not, you know. there's life vllhink we just need to ;now, and not, you know. there's life vllhink we just need to bringand not, you know. there's life vllhink we just need to bring inj i think we just need to bring in a school level one and i'll come out of the 98 years i wouldn't comment cameron was in now and osborne and i think the when students leave school you should all have a otherjob go to all have a other job go to university or council government funded apprenticeship yeah that will solve the skills which it will solve the skills which it will stop crime on the i mean you don't get people in jobs that go round starving people. no not really. it's all about getting the job and you know, as as dislike the sun she's a graduate and hopefully you'll get a job when leave but 47% of graduates will not get a job when they leave, which means that why should i. so i'm at university is. you're right. it's shocking that number. alex, it's shocking that number. alex, i ask you when you were finishing school and so that

particular time because this is how it was for me it would have been unconscionable for me to have not gone to university . i have not gone to university. i went a school where was going went to a school where was going to university? you it was just the option people would have looked at me like i was mental if i had said i'm not going to. yeah. and yeah, i wasn't. like i said charlie, i wasn't said to charlie, i wasn't particularly show any particularly it didn't show any aptitude practical aptitude really any practical stuff to be a mechanic or whatever so that would been whatever so that would have been equally were you equally mental. but were you ever ever enter ever would you ever even enter your go to uni. i think your to not go to uni. i think for me university was always the path that i wanted to take and i studied, you know, i had a really interest english really big interest in english and something that i and that was something that i wanted to do level fortunately with my when . i was, you with my school when. i was, you know, studied six form and everything. were very much everything. they were very much about you know, about bringing, you know, bringing out the best in all the students, not, you know, university. it's right for university. it's not right for everyone. it's for some everyone. it's right for some people. other people if they people. but other people if they want very specific want to do a very specific career that might not necessarily a degree full necessarily need a degree full apprenticeship, the apprenticeship, might be the right but think as well if you

right but i think as well if you if you decide that you want to get an apprenticeship, you're accountable, a boss. right. and that someone like that boss might be someone like charlie whereas if charlie mullins. whereas if you're , see you're you're a university, see you're accountable a rainbow flag accountable to a rainbow flag waving unionist trots who can decide that they're going on strike. that phrase that's wrong. i'm just not committed. i've got emails there. i'm going to a couple them to you to put a couple of them to you if. all right. lots of you have been getting in touch thoughts on this apprenticeship debate gbviews@gbnews.uk on this apprenticeship debate gbviews@gbl'm's.ukl wouldn't i'm patrick. i'm 20. i wouldn't want apprenticeship. want to do apprenticeship. i looked at them . i would hate looked at them. i would hate them now , taking an axe to them now, taking an axe to vocational learning an educational setting . this educational setting. this country loves to overcorrect , so country loves to overcorrect, so every school should have a shop class at gcse home economics , class at gcse home economics, etc. i get what you're saying and ask charlie this sort of stuff. i suspect you think to start way before university you know rishi sunak is going , all know rishi sunak is going, all right, to going right, we're going to i'm going to gun to you how to make to hold a gun to you how to make you and so he writes you do maths. and so he writes so from what you've just said that if people can't their that if people can't tie their own even put own shoelaces or even put something up that they bought

and, what's the and, i care. what's the point? i mean, you're it's just mean, you're right. it's just coming people, please. coming out, people, please. and also, to remember, also, you got to remember, university putting university is just about putting on they spend up over on seats and they spend up over what degree you get but you know i'm totally because course i'm not totally because course we people out there we need certain people out there but 20% a sort like but maybe 20% but as a sort like people with degrees don't build houses down the influence of money and there's such a massive skills shortage and demand for tradesmen going be tradesmen is going be incredible. know my incredible. so you know my children was too clever to go university. if i'm being honest, i come work for me. yeah, but not a lot. right. is the not a lot. right. this is the one rob university lecture. one from rob university lecture. spent most of lockdown home and now they're on strike. they're absent from their student lives again. they're students lives again. they're students lives again. an apprenticeship the need because i've got to tell you, you've first hand you, you've got first hand experience. how does it make experience. yes how does it make you see university you feel when you see university lecturer go out on strike? you've got covid. you've had i don't know exactly what you need. you're out. but the accommodation a lot accommodation of a lot of universities, terrible, absolutely . you in absolutely shocking. you pay in through it all. and through the nose for it all. and then, know, the pink brigade then, you know, the pink brigade

go how does it make go on strike. how does it make you feel? think for me. i think for the students as well . they for the students as well. they feel the lecturers feel like that the lecturers they've been having that they've been going on strike, but no one's actually standing up for the students of this. the students in all of this. we're the ones that are being penalised and provides high degree we've been degree as you know, we've been disrupted by so strikes and disrupted by so many strikes and then it does people then yeah, it does people question, know, what's value question, you know, what's value in it because you've got know sort of forces like the dcu getting in young getting involved in young people's education action when really at of the day really at the end of the day we're trying to get our degrees, we're trying to get our degrees, we're trying to get our degrees, we're trying learn. and then we're trying to get our degrees, we'rsort'ing learn. and then we're trying to get our degrees, we'rsort of] learn. and then we're trying to get our degrees, we'rsort of question. and then we're trying to get our degrees, we'rsort of question you're hen you sort of question you're paying you sort of question you're paying a lot of money for a piece of paper in some aspects. i'll what i'd say one i'll tell you what i'd say one thing now, just around this off actually during lockdown and i just what i thought my just saw what i thought my career the nature career over because the nature of work at the time i was of my work at the time i was straight i'm saying it all gone to paul that's also where i'm going off to retrain many people watching i had but watching this now wish i had but so going to to retrain so i'm going to have to retrain now it's hard to rock out i think, i want to be a lawyer and

i mean, i that no, i think i was into the university maybe three days year and it cost days out of a year and it cost a heck of a lot of money to do that. and i didn't even end up going and bother to get my graduation if we got to graduate. you're right, that graduate. but you're right, that was paper. but at was a pointless of paper. but at the time i was busy. i was the same time i was busy. i was very fortunate enough to be able to actually go and do it. but that both of you. thank that we got both of you. thank you much. lovely stuff, you very much. lovely stuff, charlie. very charlie. great thank you very much. millions of people, much. like millions of people, couple of us as you still boom to come as you are now it to come as you are now sold it solely loads it off it solely on the loads it off it just it know it happens be just got it know it happens be there it works out well and you know a lot of apprentices want up getting their own business out i think you're right out of a it as well. thank you guys a go it as well. thank you guys to have you on the show. now i just want to tease ahead to some of the stuff that i've got coming up we are going to be talking lindsay lee talking about lindsay lee anderson the anderson yesterday. we all the news we talking news because we were talking about what we should bring about what is we should bring about what is we should bring about death penalty. and one about the death penalty. and one thing is that thing that people ignore is that you also said we should put the

navy shallow gallery navy in the shallow gallery channel on take channel migrants on it, take them and a them to france and have a standoff with french of standoff with the french of course, french renowned for course, the french renowned for their military, might. their historic military, might. so i imagine we win that so i imagine we would win that standoff, we have standoff, although we can have a first look at first up close look at a horrific, war torn nation is and why these people are desperate to not with me patrick to not you with me patrick christys that christys on gb news lows that come in the next hour. just rattled off one of those stories for that next hour is for you. that next hour is debate. debate, way, hold debate. debate, by the way, hold on that the on to ask now, that was the weather. afternoon. i'm weather. good afternoon. i'm alex deakin this is your alex deakin and this is your latest updates. not much rain around a huge around this weekend. not a huge amount sunshine and either amount of sunshine and either will cloudy for will be fairly cloudy but for most it will be a bit most of us it will be a bit warmer than has been for much warmer than it has been for much of this week. here's the reason for the dry. a big area of high pressure, but notice the ice of us packed together us closely packed together across it very across the north. it is very windy out at the moment windy out there at the moment and weather and this weather is still bringing some outbreaks of rain to the highlands of scotland that of that last for much of the evening. still gusty as evening. still very gusty as well england, well over. northern england, northern scotland . northern ireland and scotland. winds ease through winds will slowly ease through the night. further south, the winds are light. we could see a

bit of mist of fog. but generally this cloud keeping the temperatures up well above freezing. we'll start the at sixes and for most so as i said, much milder than many morning has been this week . it will be has been this week. it will be a fairly grade day tomorrow lots of cloud we continue to see some light and drizzle here and there. the hills of some western coasts , the highlands of coasts, the highlands of scotland. but for most it will be dry and we should see something a bit brighter as as the day goes on, the cloud breaking little bit to reveal a little bit blue sky and there and it will be quite mild for february ten, 11, 12, maybe 13 degrees. sounds yes. not a great deal of change during night. so if heading out dry and if you're heading out dry and predominantly cloudy, keeping things mild, any breaks the clouds could again allow temperatures to dip, maybe close to freezing and the thick cloud in the northwest of where there will still be a brisk breeze blowing may produce odd spot of drizzly red as we go into. but

for most again the winds light on sunday lighter than today and just a lot of cloud around certainly over central and eastern parts for the west and of course parts of scotland. a chance on sunday of seeing some long spells of sunshine. and again it will be on the mild side with temperatures mostly 9 to 11 degrees celsius . that's to 11 degrees celsius. that's all for me for now. goodbye goodbye . tomorrow at 8 pm, tune goodbye. tomorrow at 8 pm, tune to a gb news investigates documentary as we tell the full story of the grooming gang scandal. nitrile gloves are being stolen . we will expose the being stolen. we will expose the cover ups that have kept this national scandal under wraps for decades. not one person is being held accountable. our investigation uncovers the true scale of this outrage. i want to see senior officials held legally to account on grooming gangs. legally to account on grooming gangs . britain's shane and gb gangs. britain's shane and gb news live will be keeping you in the picture, finding out what's happening across the country and finding out why it matters to

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channel hey, it's 5:00. it's friday. it's almost the week at 10:00. you're at the end of the working week, so tell your boss to do one. put your feet up and just watch me for the next hour. the rmt union is a new offer from network and operating network rail and train operating companies. general secretary mick describing it mick lynch is describing it as awful. i'm going to awful. don't i'm not going to dwell strike stuff. i'm dwell on the strike stuff. i'm really going to nose it on employees pay rises as well in light all that. i will,

light of all of that. i will, however, be speaking to former however, be speaking to a former general secretary of rmt next. so he's usually a bit spicy. should employees pay should employees get that pay rise. 2.9% increase is less than what's been offered the nurses and to rail workers course is less than inflation. massively less than inflation. but crucially , do they deserve it? crucially, do they deserve it? should they reject it in the midst of a of living midst of a cost of living crisis? discuss that later. crisis? all discuss that later. science is university of science is the university of sydney say they found a naturally occurring in the lungs that blocks covid 19. some people would say then there's no need for the vaccine. others may disagree. it may explain why some never became sick with the virus. one of the people did suffer serious illnesses. i've got all that coming your way. we're also going to be having a big debate on whether not we should be sending the navy into the channel because lee anderson up i am asking as up on that. and i am asking as well, is music industry well, why is the music industry so lady gaga had someone so weird? lady gaga had someone throw on her stage the throw up on her on stage the other and sam smith is other night and sam smith is walking someone's walking around like someone's not up joint of not close. a rolled up joint of honey roast vaiews@gbnews.uk .

honey roast vaiews@gbnews.uk. should employees refuse the pay rise? and should we put the navy in the channel while we're at it, y'know? you like it, y'know? well if you like i said last week back . in eight. said last week back. in eight. patrick thank you. it's 5:01. i am bethany elsey with your top stories . the gb newsroom. the stories. the gb newsroom. the number of people who've been killed following monday's earthquakes in southern turkey . earthquakes in southern turkey. northern syria has risen to more than 22. pharrell's and rescue workers say . the window for workers say. the window for finding survivors is closing, but there are still of hope as several children been pulled from the rubble today , including from the rubble today, including a ten day old baby and mother who were rescued after four days in a collapsed building. an appeal by the uk's disasters emergency committee raised more than emergency committee raised more tha n £30 million in its first 24 than £30 million in its first 24 hours. turkey's president erdogan says rescue efforts aren't as fast as he'd hoped . aren't as fast as he'd hoped. the 2 million, despite the fact

we've gathered perhaps one of the largest search and rescue teams to the region with more than 141,000 members. unfortunately it's a fact that we've not been able to respond as fast as we'd hoped inside the head of the white helmets response group has accused the un of failing to deliver aid to rebel held . he's called the rebel held. he's called the response catastrophic, claiming the had not received any support since the disaster struck. at least 3000 people are known to have died in the country. they the rmt has rejected the latest from both network rail the train operating companies. the pay deal was 9% over two years, but the union's general says it doesn't meet expected nations on job security or working conditions. but the rail delivery group described offer as fair and said some members will be deeply dismayed. meanwhile, around 15,000 ambulance workers in england have been striking today in their dispute over paid jobs and

conditions and more than 70,000 staff at 150 universite. these are walking out for the second day. this week. the chancellor has warned the uk isn't out of the woods yet after the latest figures, the economy narrowly avoided falling into recession in the final quarter of last. data from the office for national statistics shows the economy slows zero growth between october and december. but the overall gdp rate grew by point 1. jeremy hunt welcomed the figures, but warns still more to be done . the fact that more to be done. the fact that we have avoided recession, in fact, with the fastest growing country last year shows there is underlying resilience in the uk . but we are not of the woods. inflation is still much too high. that is causing for families up and down the country, which is we need to stick to our plan to , halve stick to our plan to, halve inflation if we do that and play to our strengths, science and

technology we really can be one of the most prosperous countries in europe. the government says , in europe. the government says, it's been assured by every energy in the uk that they will stop forcefully installing, pre—paid metres for vulnerable . pre—paid metres for vulnerable. the regulator, ofgem launched an investigation after not all suppliers were following the rules. meanwhile the chancellor says there's no major initiative to help those struggling their bills when the price cap in april. bills set to increase from two and a half thousand pounds to 3000. ukraine's prime minister says russia has launched more than 50 missiles at the country today. kyiv man vitaly claims ten have been shot down over capital. the attack has caused damage to power grades at six locations, but there are no confirmed casualties. schools in kiev have been forced to and continue their classes at an underground station . meanwhile ukraine's

station. meanwhile ukraine's president has addressed a uk led summit to discuss russia's at next year's olympic in paris. the international olympic committee says it's considering allowing athletes from russia , allowing athletes from russia, belarus to compete neutrals. but the lithuania sports minister says all 35 countries that attended summit agree with volodymyr zelenskyy that russian and belarus athletes should be banned. and belarus athletes should be banned . this has gb news. we'll banned. this has gb news. we'll bnng banned. this has gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now, though, it's back to . to. patrick massive out of this. ladies and gentlemen, with you all the way through till 6:00, a little later on, i'm going to be talking to the one and only kelly kane. she's big women's kelly kane. she's a big women's rise, course. and that's rise, of course. and that's in relation to what nicholas is doing north of the border. the latest polling as well latest polling data as well suggesting is in suggesting sturgeon is in trouble also

trouble about that. i'm also going having a discussion going to be having a discussion about anderson, the tory about lee anderson, the tory backbench mp, deputy. the policy now isn't say yesterday all the chart was about him thinking about bringing back the death penalty on that. penalty strong views on that. he also in same interview also said in the same interview that wanted to put royal navy that he wanted to put royal navy in channel and then have in the channel and then have a standoff with the french over who take the migrants that went under the radar a little bit. so we're going about that we're going to talk about that later as well and i've got later on as well and i've got much, much more for you but it's interesting the top interesting, this one at the top and this has been a big and again, this has been a big one for members of one for you members of parliament to receive a 2.9% parliament are to receive a 2.9% pay parliament are to receive a 2.9% pay rise from the start of . and pay rise from the start of. and it that their will rise it means that their will rise from a pay from 84 grand to 86 and a half grand. okay so the independent parliamentary standards , they decided to be standards, they decided to be increased . they claimed that it increased. they claimed that it was in line with the average for pubuc was in line with the average for public sector workers in 2020 to 23. now of course employees can reject if they want to. they don't have to take this money they could donate. t 21 i imagine that none of them , of

imagine that none of them, of course, but it comes across a quite a poor time for the optics of all of this because workers across the public sector , across the public sector, they're striking and demanding what a fair pay rises to inflation and the cost of living crisis in many cases a variety of different unions as know. but in many cases they want pay rise to match inflation, go above inflation and comes as the has rejected the latest from both network rail and the train operating companies which was a 9% pay rise over the course of two years. there were other little to it as well. they said that's not good enough. at least the rmt went on a bit of a road show about their own kind of put it to their members apparently hours left just rejected stuff outright. joining people outright. joining me now people remember who is a remember steve hadley who is a former assistant general secretary at the rmt union. steve, how are you today ? i'm steve, how are you today? i'm good. steve, how are you today? i'm good . how are you? very well, good. how are you? very well, thank you. i'm hoping that we can make it through this interview, steve, because the last time so it got a little bit

tense. and we don't need that, do we? so let's start with do we? so let's just start with the you were initially on the thing. you were initially on to talk about, is having a to talk about, which is having a pay to talk about, which is having a pay is 2.9. would say pay rise is 2.9. i would say about 86 and a half grand a year . what do think? i'm pay . what do you think? i'm pay should paid? well, firstly , i should be paid? well, firstly, i think they should be paid to do one job. and i think 200 of them are already doing two or more jobs. so just check this out in your viewers can check the facts and some them are rounded up to £1,000,000 and do other work robert and being an mp so i think at a time when we're told there's no money for nurses and there's no money for nurses and there's no money for nurses and there's no money for the fire bngades there's no money for the fire brigades and there's no money for of our health profession notes that that 2000 point pay raise for people who are already on 80 grant is really a on. so just to clarify that and do you think that if you become an mp you should only be able to be an mp so you should have to quit yourjob mp so you should have to quit your job elsewhere completely.

yeah okay. all right. that's a two. but that's that's one view. there's a lot of people, by the way, in the inbox now saying that they do not rate this current crop of employees whatsoever and that a bit of a slap in the face that they get in any kind of pay rise. i suppose the other side of it, steve, is that 2.9% is way below inflation and end body is the one that's decided that they can up this pay rise. it an example to other workers dave that they should take a pay of around 2.9% supposedly 9% has been offered the course of two years to and we're doing this seamlessly now steve they rmt he rejected it okay so the rmt tried to sell its clock of a deal to the members and the members rejected it over whelming later told them to take it back because what it actually means is inflation. last year was 11 and a half % last year was 11 and a half% this year it's already and a

half % that make go but make half% that make go but make don't we don't know but when inflation goes down it doesn't mean prices come down just means they stop raising so quickly so quite rightly the membership said that know a 12% pay cut over two years is not acceptable in real terms. and also there was thousands of job cuts attached that and weekends at the at the minute people had people can work 13 out of 20 weekends that's already in a lot of people's rosters they've got the work there especially an engineering and they to make job cuts and make those that are left work even more weekends and that that's why it's been rejected overwhelmingly . but i rejected overwhelmingly. but i want you to explain to for me, steve, what is an pay offer. that's my understanding of what the rmt say. and so we've said that look paper what the government is saying that the rail company it's 9% over two years a minimum of 1750 quid for the lowest paid. that's saying no redundancies up to the point

of next year . there's a couple of next year. there's a couple of next year. there's a couple of other bits and bobs attached to as well. the rmt, as far as i can tell, has said we want an unconditional no pay offer. what does that mean right, well, well, it just means that you're talking up work pay and nothing else, because when they say there's no redundancies. what they're talking about is compulsory redundancies. they're they're talking about is con saying/ redundancies. they're they're talking about is con saying thatundancies. they're they're talking about is con saying that there's es. they're they're talking about is con saying that there's no they're not saying that there's no redundancies. says no redundancies. it says no compulsory redundancies, which is of herring is a bit of a red herring because. what going to because. what they're going to try is of try to do is get rid of voluntarily the leaves are not replace people when they leave. although we offer a severance scheme where people will leave the industry , that leave the industry, that will leave the industry, that will leave the that are left behind the people that are left behind having to do more unsocial hours, more and work shifts . and hours, more and work shifts. and there's also the that the terms and conditions are in for if they want they rip up terms and conditions so an unconditional pay conditions so an unconditional pay off means just talking about the quantum of pay and nothing else. okay one final one for you, steve, if that's all right. what's the pensions that's up like if you're an rmt union member, if you work on railways.

i know i talk a lot about the nurses. i mean, they are getting way above what you would get the private sector. people say that you should some of that. you should forego some of that. what's setup if you work on what's the setup if you work on the railways for the pension, just taxpayer pension? no, no. most are in a private most railway are in a private working for private companies and been done for the past and have been done for the past 27 so most people who 27 years. so most people who have started on a railway in the past 30 years have never been in a public scheme. they've been in a public scheme. they've been in a private pension scheme . a a private pension scheme. a network rail might be a bit different falls but but even then you've got subsections of then you've got subsections of the pension scheme and the average is a point as a cancer in point a year. so we're not talking about some massive amounts that people are going to have a golden retirement, golden handshake with. all right, look, thank you very much. i don't know or not, you've got an identical twin, but is a completely different answer because wanted to see it last time and must have enjoyed it time and i must have enjoyed it jeff. want can jeff. well, do you want can comment very jokes as comment very racist jokes as time come out with any

time did it come out with any loss nearly made it loss either we nearly made it through nearly all rise dave through we nearly all rise dave take steve hadley for the status as the general secretary currency union is a permanently on the wanda back right anyway joining me now is someone i thinks employees should be getting pay rise. rebecca reed author and broadcaster ryan , you author and broadcaster ryan, you very much. so talk to me. you think employees should be getting a pay rise ? point 9% is getting a pay rise? point 9% is what they've been offered people are they're all are saying, oh, they're all rubbish them less. so i rubbish pay them less. so i would pay them considerably more overall because i think the amount of money that you get paid as an mp means we attract a very ambitious career politician to the kind of person who has the option to go to a big finance company or big legal career. it doesn't go into politics. they need to make money. hardly anybody who solvable student and has solvable student debt and has aspirations for a big career. so you get the egotists rather than the truly ambitious people and because they get paid what to a lot of them doesn't feel like a

lot of them doesn't feel like a lot of them doesn't feel like a lot of money they then make lots of money from other sources. so i would say pay them 200 grand a yean i would say pay them 200 grand a year, but let them take a year, but don't let them take a single penny for anything else at all. no other income. okay. all so people would say, though, that they really do care that if they really do care about the people on picket about the people on the picket lines, especially potentially some ones in the labour some of those ones in the labour party , you solidarity, all party, you know, solidarity, all of on the picket of this stuff on the picket lines, then they should just forgo maybe even forgo and they should maybe even donate to unions. where donate to the unions. where would on that? i mean, would you stand on that? i mean, you realistically you could do. but realistically not going make any difference not going to make any difference for when you're earning for most when you're earning that much money, an extra two grand changing . so grand is not life changing. so it's a big victory signal and. also, again, a lot of these people make more make two grand for an offer to do a speech. so it's showing off, really designed about designed to it. what about expenses? know we're seeing expenses? you know we're seeing some absolute extortionate expenses in the hundreds of thousands , by the way. and, you thousands, by the way. and, you know, mps is what can open doors for you afterwards . the amount for you afterwards. the amount of book deals or appearances you get on to strictly come dancing or in the jungle or , whatever, or in the jungle or, whatever, you i suppose

you know, afterwards, i suppose people well, people will say, well, well, they're already all of they're already getting all of their expenses aren't they? which shouldn't be. but which they shouldn't be. but again them more again you should pay them more money that it is so it's money so that it is so it's comparable to what they would be doing, whether working in law or finance , but then they should be finance, but then they should be paying finance, but then they should be paying for algorithms there. so not being an mp would be so much easier if you treat it like a normal yeah, well, since normal job. yeah, well, since you've get sent a you've been using get sent a taxi, broadly speaking, i have to and i have to get to get to work and i have to get myself home. yeah, i would . a myself home. yeah, i would. a raffle of other goods gas. now we're in arms. that you just said they we said that, but they go. we obviously think you're very special, but it special, rebecca. but, but it comes though. comes to other jobs, though. you said it's an said that and it's an interesting point but does it all down in the that all fall down in the sense that you need a qualification to do the you go and get the jobs you need to go and get some training. you need to go on what you have. technically speaking, could become speaking, anybody could become an always the person an mp and not always the person has cases recently have in has been cases recently have in their and from a labour who has been cases recently have in theiiwell from a labour who has been cases recently have in theiiwell usinga labour who has been cases recently have in theiiwell using alabour who has been cases recently have in theiiwell using alabyof' who has been cases recently have in theiiwell using alabyof money|o was well using a lot of money for some other purposes and so actually just paying them to actually just paying them all to attract the best wouldn't

necessarily compare attract the best wouldn't neto ssarily compare attract the best wouldn't neto othery compare attract the best wouldn't neto otherjobs compare attract the best wouldn't neto otherjobs where compare attract the best wouldn't neto other jobs where you npare it to other jobs where you actually skilled to actually need a skilled to actually need a skilled to actually that job. i think actually get that job. i think one of the major problems of politics is the job that makes you good at being made sorry, the skills that make you good at being made mp and winning being made an mp and winning elections different the elections so different from the skills good at skills that make you good at being and i'm not. how being an mp. and i'm not. how you fix that problem but winning an election very different being liked me one of my liked is very for me one of my concerns is though that what we as taxpayers will be paid to do, to do what they promised to do and. and tired. i and. i am sick and tired. i suspect that we are slightly suspect that we are on slightly different the spectrum. different ends of the spectrum. but sick and tired. but but i am sick and tired. but i am sick and tired of them coming out and just saying one thing and then doing another. i mean, the big stunt that won for me with absolute x with the absolute whole x amounted of brexit. the amounted to make of brexit. the other catastrophe that's taking place in tax stuff, all place in the tax stuff, all that, know, and in some that, you know, and in some cases it is diametrically opposed they were opposed to what said they were going then idiots like going to do. then idiots like me going to do. then idiots like me go we vote for them and go out and we vote for them and then and then they go, then they go and then they go, oh we'll pay rise. oh right. we'll have pay rise. and cases we're doing and in some cases we're doing the opposite of what we told you

in any otherjob that the opposite of what we told you in any other job that walk. but again, be doing is again, we should be doing is looking the performing looking to the best performing private companies and private sector companies and then manage then emulating how they manage things maybe this things in which case maybe this should structure for should be a bonus structure for m ps. maybe you don't get paid if don't what you said you if you don't what you said you were going but don't were going to, but we don't manage these like any manage these people like any major in the uk would major company in the uk would manage their tier employees. manage their top tier employees. we sure, how we just basically sure, how about it and about it. get on with it and have some money. okay. rebecca, about it. get on with it and have syoue money. okay. rebecca, about it. get on with it and have syou veryiey. okay. rebecca, about it. get on with it and have syou very much.ay. rebecca, about it. get on with it and have syou very much. 11. rebecca, about it. get on with it and have syou very much. i reallyecca, thank you very much. i really enjoyed reid, enjoyed that. rebecca reid, author regular author and broadcaster, regular on we are right on gb news that we are right that's responding the of that's responding to the idea of potentially giving employees. a pay potentially giving employees. a pay rise. we managed to kill two birds stone in their birds with one stone in their lives. i you lives. and gentlemen, i that you all of strikes. i'm all a bit sick of strikes. i'm absolutely sick of the strikes. however, it did break on this show that the rmt of that pay offer and happen to have offer and we happen to have steve on so why steve hadley on as well. so why not it out with him? but not bring it out with him? but yes i not bring it out with him? but yesi do not bring it out with him? but yes i do want your views on whether they should whether or not they should actually be getting a pay rise. some people pointing out that actually the employees rise takes the same takes them into a round the same bracket rmt boss make led. so bracket as rmt boss make led. so okay. not been on

okay. that has not been lost on me. the other one i've been asking something asking you and it's something we're to be talking about we're going to be talking about very, very shortly. it's about whether we be whether or not we should be putting in the channel putting the navy in the channel now. anderson out now. lee anderson and he's out and he's been saying yes, now. lee anderson and he's out awould he's been saying yes, now. lee anderson and he's out awould puthe's been saying yes, now. lee anderson and he's out awould put navyeen saying yes, now. lee anderson and he's out awould put navy boatsaying yes, now. lee anderson and he's out awould put navy boats in1g yes, now. lee anderson and he's out awould put navy boats in the es, i would put navy boats in the i would get obviously people coming on the boats onto said boats i would drive the boats and i would drive the boats and i would drive the boats towards france where would leave standoff leave it and have a standoff with the french now just with the french now can i just say i think that's possibly a popular view with lot of popular view with a lot of people reality, people in practical reality, maybe goer, but a wider maybe not a goer, but a wider point anderson i couldn't point on lee anderson i couldn't help notice that yesterday help but notice that yesterday it all about the death it was all about the death penalty. they if anyone had penalty. they now, if anyone had really look at the really bothered to look at the polls death penalty as polls on the death penalty as we did this it's very all did on this show, it's very all to play for when it comes to a referendum, death penalty, referendum, the death penalty, it's so this idea it's about 50, 50. so this idea that only bloodthirsty idiots want a return of the want to see a return of the death penalty is basically calling 50% of british calling 50% of the british pubuc calling 50% of the british public bloodthirsty idiots. what a people do. one is for a lot of people do. one is for someone to be tough on law and order predatory and order for and predatory and serial killers and rapists do not the of day again not see the light of day again orindeed not see the light of day again or indeed in some cases go and

hang victims people hang around victims or people in grooming, when grooming, for example. and when we situation where don't we have a situation where don't feel law and order is being taken of, people want to call for the death penalty for things. the death penalty lee was not out of lee anderson was not out of touch. was calling for touch. when he was calling for the penalty. it comes the death penalty. when it comes to out the channel to sorting out the channel plenty people in favour plenty of people are in favour of processing. they are sick and tired of seeing people coming over here. they're and over here. they're sick and tired taxpayers being tired of taxpayers money being spent the second side spent on it. and the second side of border on our rnli of our border force, on our rnli coast guard being used as some kind of uber service for illegal immigration. the immigration. so therefore, the idea in a navy. fricker and idea of in a navy. fricker and paul up to the french who by the way we are paying handsomely to do enough all about this crisis is again not an unpopular idea and just listen to the amount people coming out all your usual suspects, your political types , suspects, your political types, houer suspects, your political types, holier than thou worthy people. oh, my gosh, isn't this just a an idiotic you just know that those people never been for a pint of ale in a midlands or northern pub. and that is why they are bang out of touch. i'll just say it. i more people

should listen . more people like should listen. more people like lee anderson. coming up, the scientists to have found a naturally occurring protein it can come back the effects of covid 19. can come back the effects of covid19. i'll be speaking to a micro biologist to get the latest on that . but before that, latest on that. but before that, i've got you, whether . good i've got you, whether. good afternoon. i'm and this is your latest weather updates not much rain around this not a huge amount of sunshine on either we'll be fairly cloudy but for most of us it will be a bit warmer than it has been for much of this week. here's the reason for the dry weather. a big area of high , but notice the ice of of high, but notice the ice of us packed across us closely packed across the north. is very windy out north. it is very windy out there the moment and this there at the moment and this weather is still bringing some outbreaks rain to the outbreaks of rain to the highlands scotland will outbreaks of rain to the highfords scotland will outbreaks of rain to the highfor much scotland will outbreaks of rain to the highfor much of ytland will outbreaks of rain to the highfor much of the d will outbreaks of rain to the highfor much of the evening ill outbreaks of rain to the highfor much of the evening .l last for much of the evening. still as well over still very gusty as well over northern england, northern ireland scotland the winds ireland and scotland the winds will ease through the will slowly ease through the night. further south, the winds are light. we could see a bit of mist of fog, but generally this cloud keeping the temperatures well above freezing. we'll start the weekend at sixes and sevens

for most. so as i said much milder than many a morning has been this week . it will be been this week. it will be a fairly great day tomorrow. lots of cloud we may continue to see some light rain and drizzle here and there. the hills of wales, some western coasts, the highlands of scotland. but for most it will be dry and we should see something a bit as well as the day goes on, the cloud breaking a little bit to a little bit blue sky here. and that and it will be quite mild for february ten, 11, 12, maybe 13 degrees celsius . not for february ten, 11, 12, maybe 13 degrees celsius. not a for february ten, 11, 12, maybe 13 degrees celsius . not a great 13 degrees celsius. not a great deal of change during saturday. so if you're heading out dry and predominantly cloudy keeping things reasonably mild , any things reasonably mild, any breaks in the clouds could again , temperatures to dip, maybe close freezing and the thick cloud in northwest of scotland where there will still be a brisk breeze blowing , may brisk breeze blowing, may produce the odd spot of drizzly red as we go into sunday. but for most again, the winds light on sunday. so lighter than today and just lot of cloud around

certainly over central eastern parts for the west and across parts for the west and across parts of scotland, a better chance on sunday of seeing some longer spells sunshine and again it will be on the mild side with temperatures mostly 9 to 11 degrees celsius. that's all from for now. goodbye .

lucy of me. stuff to come, ladies and gentlemen . got our ladies and gentlemen. got our big navy in the channel discussion. we're also going to be speaking to fantastic women's rights advocate j. kane, a massive fan favourite here on gb news about the ultimate innocence taking place in scotland. why well, because opinion come opinion polling data has come and absolutely gives sturgeon and it absolutely gives sturgeon kicking, which think plenty of kicking, which i think plenty of people love to say. but before the scientists at the university of have found of sydney claim to have found a naturally occurring protein in, the lungs that blocks covid now

the lungs that blocks covid now the . al rc one five the protein. al rc one five sounds a bit like a star wars character combats the virus by attaching itself the covid particles and blocking that comes with other vulnerable cells. basically in a nutshell, if i've read it right, i might get corrected. is this kind of a natural immunity type of thing. with me now dr. andrew with me now is dr. andrew preston, microbiologist at the university of bath. look, thank you saw this article you for this. i saw this article earlier on and i was quite intrigued because what intrigued by it because what does this imply? does this imply that people who are suspected are already no longer afraid of covid? can just officially be even less afraid of it . no, i even less afraid of it. no, i don't think it changes that. but i it does offer potential a new therapeutic window and perhaps starts to understanding something that's been puzzling us since . the start of the us since. the start of the pandemic. why some people become ill with covid and others seem to be completely unaffected . and to be completely unaffected. and so , as you say, this protein so, as you say, this protein appears to be expressed on cells

that are not necessarily that vulnerable to the virus. so it can it can sort of mop up the virus and stop it from infecting the neighbouring cells. and there is other that have tied there is other that have tied the of this protein to the severity covid observed in people. so if got those with severe covid, they seem to express less of this protein compared to those that i. can i just ask you about there? so the people who let's be honest, were probably going to get very ill from covid have already in the past either died or got very, very ill from covid. so if that doesn't happen to yet and we know this particular protein , know this particular protein, etc, is no agreement to say people don't need to go out and get more vaccines because. if you were going to get very ill from it, it would have happened. no, we're not at a stage to be able to say that. and again, that's not the point, this particular study. again it highlights a new type of immune receptor that appears to be able to virus particles and keep them

away from more vulnerable cells. so, i mean, i think the interesting part , whether that interesting part, whether that is exportable as a potential new therapeutic, not necessarily just covm, therapeutic, not necessarily just covid, but just against covid, but but other future viruses. so it opens up that as well as perhaps that of now slightly that more sort of now slightly historical , why do some historical question, why do some people with seemingly similar levels of exposure to the virus suffer more badly than others? so i don't it's really going to influence the decision making of people because again, i think it would be a very step to go from previous experience with the virus to saying, well, i've definitely got. so 15 i think that would hazardous to make that would hazardous to make that just forgive me asking this question might sound a bit wouldn't be the first time on this show to be fair why should i still care about covid? well completely up to you . we've been completely up to you. we've been asked to make own decisions. again, i'm not quite sure this line of question has come from this study, not about whether

people should care or worry about covid is about answering society that that's society. question that that's been longstanding . and of been longstanding. and of course, can do with this course, what can we do with this discovery help us maybe deal discovery to help us maybe deal better are better with other that are either ongoing emerging in either ongoing or emerging in the don't think the future? i don't think it's necessarily being here to other augment or really go public health measures. i'm not quite where you're coming from this. no, i'm just intrigued by it really , because i think a lot of really, because i think a lot of people have already maybe perhaps don't carry a bit about it. and now this is all kind of good news in terms of fact that we can maybe potentially move on from. i'm i'm from. it is all i'm all i'm guessing. but dr. andrew, thank you much dr. energy you very, very much dr. energy preston, microbiologist at the university of bangladesh, reacting to that australian scientists claim found scientists claim to have found the there's a covid the fact that there's a covid fighting that exists fighting protein that exists within quite within cells, which is quite large when i come large news. look when i come back, we are going be talking back, we are going to be talking a about this lee anderson a lot about this lee anderson story. teasing it for story. i've been teasing it for a time, but that's doing things around a bit. i'm going to do that shortly. new that very, very shortly. the new deputy chairman the tory deputy chairman of the tory party he's called for party said he's called for migrants be returned. and on

migrants to be returned. and on royal navy and be royal navy frigate and then be sent to. france on the same sent back to. france on the same day. some people say, well, this will cause a massive diplomatic crisis. say i'm not crisis. i wouldn't say i'm not sure it actually for sure it actually would for a long time. and the long period of time. and the reason because you reason being is because if you follow anderson logic, follow the lee anderson logic, it would all stop quite soon, wouldn't because the human traffickers people up on traffickers and the people up on the of calais and the beaches of calais and dunkirk realise dunkirk would realise that they're going they're not going to get anywhere, stop anywhere, so they might stop coming. i did also speak to an immigration earlier immigration lawyer earlier on and thought was and i thought this was fascinating. he was saying to me, patrick, if me, well, actually patrick, if you take them back into you did take them back into french waters, european waters, then wanted claim then if they wanted to claim some of rights some kind of human rights infringement would be infringement, they would then be doing the basis dealing doing it on the basis dealing with french immigration or human rights eu rights rights lawyers or eu rights lawyers who basically would probably come down on the side of the fact that they have to locate somewhere locate themselves somewhere around, continent, i.e. not around, the continent, i.e. not in britain until not actually is quite an intriguing idea. and again, of people are again, a lot of people are sneering at lee anderson. i think bang out of order think that is bang out of order as you've been getting in search on very, very issue. how

on this very, very issue. how about anderson up about putting lee anderson up for j. bay at for prime ministerj. bay at least he's working class with his feet , the ground, and he his feet, the ground, and he understands the people not just as best is why a lot of people don't like him. i think a lot of people can't quite get their heads around. why someone like lee all intents lee anderson is, for all intents and purposes, a normal and purposes, quite a normal bloke. like of bloke. thinks like a lot of normal people actually do normal people would actually do so and i has so well and i think has potentially anderson it potentially lee anderson him. it could a thing that worse could well be a thing that worse his if lee anderson his face because if lee anderson if say tories lose the next if to say tories lose the next election and, then lee anderson ends running and tories ends up running and the tories revert back their usual way ends up running and the tories reyelecting their usual way ends up running and the tories reyelecting their,air usual way ends up running and the tories reyelecting their, which al way ends up running and the tories reyelecting their, which is way ends up running and the tories reyelecting their, which is to y of electing their, which is to go membership suspect. go to the membership suspect. the actually the membership might actually vote for lee anderson that would be magnificent, be absolutely magnificent, wouldn't it? can you imagine whole overcoming and whole overcoming your way and much, more. first is much, much more. but first is your headline way back tonight . your headline way back tonight. patrick thank you. good evening. it's 5:30. i'm bethany elsey with top stories from the gb newsroom the number of people who've been killed following monday's earthquakes in southern

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walking out for the second day this week . the chancellor has this week. the chancellor has warned the uk isn't out the woods yet after the latest figures , the economy narrowly figures, the economy narrowly avoided into recession in final quarter of last year. data from the office for national shows the office for national shows the economy sold zero growth between october and december. the overall annual gdp rate, however , by 4.1. and ukraine's however, by 4.1. and ukraine's prime minister says russia has launched more than 50 missiles at the country today. kiev's mayor vitali klitschko, claims ten have been shot down over caphal ten have been shot down over capital. the attack has caused to power grids at six locations, but there are no casualties. schools in kyiv have been forced to evacuate and continue with their classes at an underground station . you're up to date on station. you're up to date on tv, online and dab plus , this is tv, online and dab plus, this is gb news. patrick we'll be back with you in just a moment moment

tomorrow at pm, tune in to a gb news investigates documentary as we tell the full story of the grooming gangs. nitrile gloves are being stolen . we will expose are being stolen. we will expose the cover ups that have kept this national scandal under wraps for decades . not one wraps for decades. not one person is being held accountable. our investigation uncovers the true scale of this outrage. i want to see senior officials are held legally to account on grooming gangs. britain's shane . people i always britain's shane. people i always like to load the end of the show with the topics i think you care about most. and today we've the potential demise of nicholas sturgeon with possibly the end scottish independence and an end to nonsense about whether or to the nonsense about whether or not women women, which of not women are women, which of course are. so

course they definitely are. so that we. also i'm going to be talking about is frigates in the channel guest on channel we've got a guest on that we be putting that should we be putting the navy a standoff with the navy to have a standoff with the french? mean, we were already french? i mean, we were already staring barrel of war staring down the barrel of war three the russians, one on three with the russians, one on two french as well. and two with the french as well. and to wrap it all off is sam smith. okay, the music industry is going if ask me, going a bit weird if you ask me, lady had old throw up on lady had some old throw up on her last sam smith as well. on top of that, been walking around looking like a of looking like a kind of half baked of honey roast baked drawing of honey roast ham, i'll be ham, hasn't he? so i'll be talking that. but yes, talking about that. but yes, firstly to scotland, firstly up to scotland, because scotland totally in scotland might not be totally in favour sturgeon's favour of nicola sturgeon's approach transgender rights. favour of nicola sturgeon's apfactch transgender rights. favour of nicola sturgeon's apfact that's ransgender rights. favour of nicola sturgeon's apfact that's putting der rights. favour of nicola sturgeon's apfact that's putting it r rights. in fact that's putting it mildly, it as mildly, because it looks as though sturgeon bit. though sturgeon might get bit. a new from the public nation new poll from the public nation unheard found that in aggregate scottish people also more trans sceptical than english people. so nicholas sturgeon chosen so nicholas sturgeon has chosen hail on that betrays hail to die on that betrays would argue what she is which is a woman and also the vast majority of scottish which is not really great politics. it's all in the wake of this gender recognition reform bill. i'm going to go to my guest now

without. much more dither delay it wonderful founder of it is the wonderful founder of standing it is kelly standing for women. it is kelly jackie kelly. this poll now is official. you now with actual hard data in your hand say what you kind of already knew, which is that the vast majority of people not just in the in england , definitely in scotland england, definitely in scotland as well fundamentally disagree with the idea that a male rapist should be allowed into a woman's space. well, who knew that most of the uk would actually know what a woman was and wouldn't want to put women in unnecessary danger? i think we all knew. right. and i think really interesting with that poll, a really didn't like any of the language calling people try and sceptical is just nonsensical really so i thought it would be a more accurate description but of the people that disagree with the idea of keeping men out of women's spaces. so there was a

question called i think transgender women. so men and would be like those men in women's changing rooms. and i think 22% said yes , but it might think 22% said yes, but it might have been more than that. and think what's interesting is i suspect out of those 22, about 90% of those people genuinely think somebody referred to as transgender woman is a man who's had his penis removed and 90, at the very least ,% of men who call the very least,% of men who call themselves women have no such alteration whatsoever . so we're alteration whatsoever. so we're talking about men with penises. yeah, indeed. and i kind of wonder as well where this really starts. kelly because these numbers, i suspect unfortunately, there's going to end up being more people who despite your best efforts who go for want of a better phrase, go on this stuff because it's dancing in schools , isn't it? dancing in schools, isn't it? and we're even seeing now for a children's book the year award by waterstones is a book that a

diagram a very young girl with imaginary willy it and i just think and paris aren't allowed to pull their kids out of pride marches and stuff i just think is this indoctrination at this stage ? oh 100% indoctrination. i stage? oh 100% indoctrination. i think we don't know just how far that goes and it starts with sort of ripples of inclusion and it ends up with overtly sexualised images and, and harmful ideas to really small children . so part of that children. so part of that diagram was also things like pointing to bits of a female body saying that it was disgusting or it it was vile or needed or just that just that sort of stuff we dealt with a long time ago. like in my youth , we dealt with anorexia and bulimia. now that still is the biggest harm to teenage girls . biggest harm to teenage girls. but we banned all those anorexia websites, those promotion and

those sort of websites that promoted and as far as i'm aware , we never promoted that in schools. it wasn't teachers talking about how stunning and brave having anorexia? it and we've just it's just authoritarian and horrible echoes of the red army. can i can i ask this is i think an interesting point. i love your view on, which is how do you feel about women who do not support you in terms of the definition , adult, human, female definition, adult, human, female , what a woman is and all of this stuff, how you feel about women who would be happy to let . well, it's actually me really into woman's changing room . into woman's changing room. i feel a very sad , disappointed feel a very sad, disappointed and really angry and i wonder what the driving forces and i are still about this a lot like. why do some women go out go along with our demise and i

think it's know some people talk about it's just about being last and some people i think it's social i think right now it's really important to be liked and perhaps they always was really important. more important for women to be liked and we have to pass a number of tests in our social circles in order to be like don't be too confident don't, be too beautiful. don't too be quiet, don't be too courageous . don't be to make too be quiet, don't be too courageous. don't be to make and you lovely men you don't have those sort of standard . you take those sort of standard. you take each other a little more as you find each other. so i think special currency for women . special currency for women. okay. well, look, thank you very much , holly. and talking of much, holly. and talking of popularity as well, obviously, is i mean, it's a crying shame, isn't it? nicholas sturgeon it appears to have picked the wrong fight. you just hate to see it. i came that founder of standing for women . thank you very much. for women. thank you very much. always a pleasure, kelly. right. okay so moving on now, another big one. this is i've been

teasing this 2 hours. you're welcome. now, let's is welcome. now, let's what is happening appointed tory happening newly appointed tory deputy has deputy chairman lee anderson has called who called for migrants who illegally channel to illegally cross the channel to be to france same be returned to france the same day royal navy frigate day aboard a royal navy frigate . he said essentially , . he then said essentially, let's have it out with the french prime minister. rishi sunak tackling crisis sunak has made tackling crisis one of his five priorities, which you can definitely condense being three condense just being three priorities. navy was priorities. the royal navy was previously responsible for operations , the channel it operations, the channel it handed that responsibility over to the home office which . a lot to the home office which. a lot of people regard as an absolute shambles essentially shambles and essentially nothing's happened. with me now is tony cbe , former is tony smith cbe, former director of uk border director general of uk border force. tony to have you on the show. first things first, would you actually be against the idea of ? a royal navy frigate picking of? a royal navy frigate picking up channel migrant and just part itself near a beach in calais. well sir patrick i think the first thing i would say is i have a huge amount respect for lee anderson. i think he's been

a real breath of fresh air to our politics. he's on the home affairs and he's done it like me. he's done his homework he's been settled, been over to calais, settled, look he's opinions look around and he's opinions which think many of which are which i think many of which are valid in terms of trying to stop boats wants to boats which he likely wants to do. i think the difficulty is he with this particular proposal, patrick, if were able to patrick, is that if were able to do and sure priti would do this and i'm sure priti would have done it or suella braverman have done it or suella braverman have are very have it by now, there are very significant problems in law in what we and what we can't do in each other's waters. so what we really need and what i've been advocating since started advocating ever since started four ago, is joint four years ago, is a joint agreement with french. we agreement with the french. we could have joint patrols. we could patrols. all of these could have patrols. all of these things could be done with agreement. but from i understand, saying is, understand, he's saying is, well, just the wave well, let's just send the wave well, let's just send the wave we navy out there we have the navy out there already didn't really already they didn't really make much because. think much difference because. i think i point is the point i think the point is the point of difference that he's saying from what can gather anyway. from what i can gather anyway. what is would what you're saying is he would actually boat into actually take navy boat into french waters and park it there until french decided they were going to take it back. now i

think the other point is what lee anderson saying is actually we have to do this very many times. all the migrant crisis times. if all the migrant crisis stopped, view . stopped, that's his view. course, it's not visible deterrent and they will be able to see people actually being sent back to that. do you think it would be a deterrent and b, do you care what the french think about it ? what? on the think about it? what? on the second point, i do care what the french think about it. i think they would have something to say if we were to start taking warships into their territorial waters with migrants on board without of without a proper due process of legal but think the legal process. but i think the second thing is, look, you know, which to start which we do need to start returns, though, patrick is right that. we've start right on that. we've to start sending back . and this sending people back. and this is not a problem in uk. i was not just a problem in uk. i was out on the southern border just week chairing a border conference border patrol. conference with border patrol. 3 million this year million detections this year coming in from mexico, another 600,000 get away. as you know , 600,000 get away. as you know, 330,000 people crossing the eu from a meeting yesterday in the eu where there even talking about beefing up which and so

the problem become the receiving countries basically to send people back to the source in transit this requires a global response and i think it is a little bit you know, is it a little bit you know, is it a little bit you know, is it a little bit unfair that you would complain that people , you know, complain that people, you know, are coming through other source and transit countries and so that their territory want that their territory they want them to they're not prepared to take people tony and certainly the eu the eu honestly , they the eu the eu honestly, they don't seem to care about i mean, the absolute goal of the european union to allow us to have been the initial us in america, in the initial countries, pretty much the only initial countries that bothered help ukraine are the eu was prepared, fully prepared to have let putin take ukraine and then mop up the humanitarian disaster afterwards. oh, we'll take x amount ukrainian refugees. what if i actually stopping putin over ukraine? let me is we need to send in fighter jets. over ukraine? let me is we need to send in fighter jets . we need to send in fighterjets. we need to send in fighterjets. we need to all this stuff because to send all this stuff because will ukraine. it'll run will stop at ukraine. it'll run roughshod europe they were roughshod europe if they were not about it you think not scared about it you think they'd inclined to send

they'd be more inclined to send something than 10,000 rainbow coloured so anyway coloured helmets. so anyway rambling angry rambling now but i am angry about and the other the about this and the other the other that seriously about this and the other the othe should that seriously about this and the other the othe should we that seriously about this and the other the othe should we mopt seriously about this and the other the othe should we mop upriously about this and the other the othe should we mop up the sly about this and the other the othe should we mop up the tail why should we mop up the tail end of the migrant crisis for as well? you know, we are paying the money we pay the eu 2.3 billion quid today actually for some trade deal with china can't they do a bit more for us than they do a bit more for us than they don't to send in they don't want to send in a warship . well, what i hope so, warship. well, what i hope so, patrick. but the fact is we can't control what they do , we can't control what they do, we can't control what they do, we can only control what we do . and can only control what we do. and there are things that we do to do, and that's to start sending people back. now, i've already advocated at time fast track advocated at a time fast track process albania. could process for albania. we could detain them and send them straight to two on a straight back to two on a straightaway. why. straightaway. i don't know why. that's yet. rwanda that's not happening yet. rwanda that and on and on that goes on and on and on imports when we should have been in a fix whatever you know a government committed to a lot of things and i think the home office the government could and should do within own gift should do within its own gift that really it really needs that it really it really needs to focus addition to trying to persuade so some of the

countries to work with us you what i think afraid what i think people are afraid of anderson by the way, of lee anderson by the way, tony, because of a point you tony, is because of a point you made earlier, which is that he's bothered to calais. so bothered to go to calais. so he's a look at it and. he's he's had a look at it and. he's exposed a lot of people exposed what a lot of people would of a would argue is a bit of a racket, actually involving certain out there certain humanitarian out there which everything they which are doing everything they possibly them in possibly can to get them in there. are worried there. and people are worried that someone lee that if someone like lee anderson speaking up, anderson keeps speaking up, they're to have to have they're going to have to have uncomfortable conversations like, oh, this you like, oh, maybe this law, you have rainbow in the have all the big rainbow in the refugees. welcome. so maybe actually doing actually they are actually doing things but there we things wrong. but there we go, tony. thank you much. tony smith, cbe, former director general border force. general of uk border force. now we we'd on we thought we'd finish on something a little bit different. ladies gentlemen different. ladies and gentlemen , it's been really it's been getting be a bit recently and getting to be a bit recently and it is the state of, the it is just the state of, the music industry. i know the music has always had very colourful characters, push characters, always push boundaries. it's art. it creativity. it's all of that. but sam smith has but the singer sam smith has made headlines recently for performing in a satanist outfit . that's not where the controversy got. so controversy surrounding . the late singer and

surrounding. the late singer and now the singer has appeared on the front cover . i think the the front cover. i think the ironically perfect magazine , ironically perfect magazine, donning red heels lingerie and what can only be described as well. it's honey rose some, isn't it? it's honey rose in a raunchy pose but i thought , you raunchy pose but i thought, you know who am to i all of this who am i to say that that doesn't look good. i wonder what what i look good. i wonder what what i look like with my off in a very similar outfit to sam. so earlier on, just right here in the gb news newsroom room, i did exactly the same thing as sam smith and this is this is this is chris christie's christie's. there it is like someone that's chris christie's. there for you. so, hey , know what? it's harder so, hey, know what? it's harder than it looks to be sam smith, isn't it . but yes , there we go isn't it. but yes, there we go anyway. right. so what's going on with all celebrities because

also as well, lady gaga and just i can't believe it's something i've got to throw up her on stage the other day with me now, showbiz journalists rebecca twomey. rebecca, thank you very much . and i think just me or much. and i think just me or some smith and lady gaga lost the plot . well let's just say the plot. well let's just say they like attention and i think in a world where we're saturated with celebrities , we've got more with celebrities, we've got more celebrities than ever before. music artists can't just make money off selling their music. they've got be these bigger than life characters . they've got to life characters. they've got to have these phenomenal shows because performing actually because performing is actually how their money now how they make their money now and that's how they sell records the round. so they the other way round. so they have work extra extra hard have to work extra extra hard now, sam smith, now, someone like sam smith, they've a big record out at the moment and more just moment and it's more than just a big record publicity, doing like doing a cover like that is a great way to actually sell music. as shocking as that may is , does it does seem daunting. is, does it does seem daunting. so can you just three key justice means by the way i don't think that every tom, dick and

harry should be seen as a role for kids that gets wheeled out every time someone who wants appeared on coronation street gets dumped for doing something naughty weekend when he naughty at the weekend when he was role model the kid was the role model for the kid he he played a character he wasn't he played a character in a soap opera. he wasn't he played a character in a soap opera . i get all of in a soap opera. i get all of this, but then they lose the argument the likes of smith. argument the likes of sam smith. when to lecture when they do, trying to lecture us variety different us on a variety of different political you could political issues, you could argue, than they become a role model. i'm sorry, i model. and i'm sorry, but i mean, he's dressed up as mean, he's just dressed up as satan then he's dressed up satan and then he's dressed up as whatever heck that is. as whatever the heck that is. and kids really is a role for and to kids really is a role for kids . well, of course, now i'm kids. well, of course, now i'm going to not start i'm going to start defending saying should be dressing up as satan. and that's a but i think the a role model. but i think the thing celebrity that it is a thing celebrity is that it is a modern declining religion modern with declining religion become people and become godlike to people and what i find particularly bizarre even though i a showbiz even though i am a showbiz journalist is people look to celebrities tell them what's celebrities to tell them what's and wrong. they look at and what's wrong. they look at them these figures that are them as these figures that are goduke them as these figures that are godlike that can do that wrong. they're rich. they're they're very rich. they're powerful, very attractive. powerful, often very attractive. that's certain

that's for debate and certain characters that's for debate and certain cha|whats that's for debate and certain cha|what the public want is they but what the public want is they want their celebrities to be mummy daddy to tell us the mummy daddy and to tell us the rights wrongs. so rights and the wrongs. so celebrities are playing into this pantomime as well, particularly music artists because it's hard to sell because it's very hard to sell music days. so they've got music these days. so they've got to someone like like to push even someone like like lady gaga, you know, this is this is a character who came on to this these ludicrous with to this these ludicrous and with a has keep a meat dress she has keep pushing the boundaries attempt to but who advising people he to but who is advising people he said to her i'll tell you what when we're planning we're planning show right. and planning this show right. and what i want from you is i want you play drums and. we're you to play the drums and. we're going bring this lovely going to bring in this lovely little so long is little svetlana here. so long is going to come over and svetlana is going to up on you. is going to throw up on you. it's mad. okay, so does? it's mad. okay, so what does? anyone want to stop anyone who doesn't want to stop to not these to check whether or not these people are all. well, i think it's just very much like, let's see the reaction on social. the more reaction, the more debate the more shock, the more horror, the more shock, the more horror, the people react with, the better is for the artist. so it's not about whether this is a great idea. it's going to be a

great idea. it's going to be a great performance or i'm going to look it's actually to look great. it's actually about going me about what's going to create me the attention, most the most attention, the most headunes the most attention, the most headlines most reaction. headlines and the most reaction. social the most shares. headlines and the most reaction. soc really the most shares. headlines and the most reaction. soc really thoughtnost shares. headlines and the most reaction. soc really thought that shares. headlines and the most reaction. soc really thought that in ares. headlines and the most reaction. soc really thought that in this it's really thought that in this case it's about the music anymore because smith is going to gaga . and if to sing, as is lady gaga. and if they just focussed on the music , i think we'd all be entertained a lot more than these stunts that these these stunts that just don't. very much don't. to really add very much apart controversy , say, apart from controversy, say, rebecca, very much. rebecca, thank you very much. i've thoroughly enjoyed conversation. rebecca so i mean, thatis conversation. rebecca so i mean, that is showbiz journalist just before i go to michelle. is there any chance we bring up i got my take on sam smith so sam smith we all saw is it was honey wrote sam wasn't say i decided strip off earlier and do my take on it and not chris christie's everybody we go that is me doing my impression of sam smith right james and co is now is michelle is in the studio with me right now michelle the world's gone mad no but i think that was quite an improvement in that picture if you just then look quite good some of the guys

kicked tell you what kicked in. i tell you what though, patrick, there were moments where you just moments in time where you just realise and big you realise a you old and big you just cool and when i look at just not cool and when i look at that smith stuff, just take that sam smith stuff, just take both of boxes . i at both of those boxes. i look at that, i connect with it that, i don't connect with it and doesn't make anyone does and it doesn't make anyone does i'm old and i'm getting uncle just me roy orbison any just give me roy orbison any day. yeah, they want to behave like what i know? it like that. what i know? it wasn't about i miss wasn't about either. i miss that i that kind stuff. i miss that kind of stuff. exactly that's kind of what just listen i'm not listen to motown because i'm not being well. but the being funny as well. but all the sam stuff, far, as i sam smith stuff, as far, as i can tell, just sounds exactly the same. i have the misfortune of on radio one. it's of flicking on radio one. it's just the same just a variation on the same thing. knew i was coming up. thing. i knew i was coming up. well, one the things i want well, one of the things i want to get into tonight, half of brits, cannot remember brits, right, cannot remember the that they laughed the last time that they laughed out loud. oh, i'm determined out loud. oh, so i'm determined to whether not can to see whether or not i can laugh loud, cause i don't really laugh loud, cause i don't really laugh than you've been laugh anything than you've been framed over. framed and people falling over. so lots of people's so i want lots of people's jokes, i want get into jokes, but i want to get into tax bullying and how much tax facts bullying and how much teach should involved when teach should get involved when pupils are fighting? do we have a walk on by? and my two

panellists tonight i love paul embery dean . fantastic. embery and alex dean. fantastic. now that's going to great now that's going to be great and. that last one as and. i think that last one as well about teachers not my words. story out fit in words. that story out fit in carolina. that's going to carolina. sorry that's going to become a much bigger story than it just now right james it up it is just now right james it up nice. thank you very much. having a wonderful week. i hope you as well i will back you have as well i will be back with on monday at 3 pm. with you on monday at 3 pm. have a week on people have a fabulous week on people of last block .

hello there at 6:00. i'm michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co the show where we'll get into the things that have got you talking. now, astrazeneca , there's lot of astrazeneca, there's a lot of people talking those guys people talking about those guys today have decided today because they have decided that they're going to their that they're going to sell their next establishment ireland, next establishment in ireland, not here in the uk.