oh good evening. it's 7:00. and i'm laurence fox . tonight i will i'm laurence fox. tonight i will be addressing the elephant in the newsroom the shadow that has been cast upon the station the past week. yes, ofcom , the ones past week. yes, ofcom, the ones who only allow you to broadcast if you follow their rules. i want to ask a simple question. why do need it.7 then i will be talking to charlie peaches about a gb news exclusive documentary speaking to victims and

whistleblowers , grooming gangs. whistleblowers, grooming gangs. and lastly , i am dishing out my and lastly, i am dishing out my thoughts to sunderland about lgbt element rape issue pride and marches. and don't forget , and marches. and don't forget, most importantly, i would like to hear from you. so send me your views at gbviews@gbnews.uk uk. that's all coming up after headunes uk. that's all coming up after headlines with stephanie elsey . headlines with stephanie elsey. good evening, i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom. more than 22,000 people have been killed and 5 million displaced after major earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria on monday . and northern syria on monday. several children have been rescued from the rubble. today include ing a ten day old baby and his mother. he survived four days in a collapsed building. an appeal by the uk disasters emergency committee has raised more than emergency committee has raised more tha n £30 million in its more than £30 million in its first 24 hours. meanwhile

syria's government has given permission for humanitarian aid to be sent to rebel held areas . to be sent to rebel held areas. five days after the disaster struck, the 2 million, despite the fact that we've gathered perhaps one of the largest search and rescue teams to the region. with more than 141,000 members. unfortunately it's a fact that we've not been able to respond as fast as we'd hoped. turkey president erdogan speaking there. the rmt has rejected the latest offers from both network rail and train operating companies with the general secretary describing them as dreadful. the pay deal was 9% over two years, but mick lynch it doesn't meet expectations on jobs, security or working conditions. the rail delivery group described their offer is fair and said some members will be deeply dismayed. but the reports , former but the reports, former assistant general secretary steve hadley told gb news members want more money, shouldn't. last year was 11 and

a half % this year it's already a half% this year it's already ten and a half% that make what may go down, we don't know. but when inflation goes down, it doesn't mean prices come down. it just means they stop rising so quickly . so, quite rightly , so quickly. so, quite rightly, the rmt membership said that , the rmt membership said that, you know, a 12% pay cut over two years is not acceptable in real terms . the latest figures show terms. the latest figures show the economy narrowly avoided falling into recession in the final quarter of last year. data from the office for national statistics shows the economy sold zero growth between october and december, but the overall annual gdp rate grew by 4.1. the chancellor, jeremy hunt, welcomed the figures but warned there's still more to be done. we are not out of the woods. inflation is still much too high. that is causing pain for families up and down the country, which is why we need to stick to our plan to halve inflation. if we do that and play inflation. if we do that and play to our strengths in science and technology , we really can be and technology, we really can be one of the most prosperous

countries in europe. you're up to date on tv, online and ddb plus radio. this is gb news. now it's back to laurence . it's back to laurence. o'brien cost is a created equal , but some are more equal than others. it's all on the back in the uk late on monday night i swipe tape in my digital crack pipe swipe tape in my digital crack pipe to see what was going on in the always delightful twitterverse . it became twitterverse. it became immediately apparent that the culture vultures had once again begun circling around this very channel waiting for that moment to swoop and devour its corpse , to swoop and devour its corpse, the brilliant , brave and blister the brilliant, brave and blister mark steyn. i parted ways with gb news and on his way out the door he decided to share some rather uncomfortable pauses a

new contract. he was required to sign if he was ever to go back on air. having seen bingley fallen foul of the regime's broadcast regulator , ofcom , the broadcast regulator, ofcom, the agreement stated that mark being agreement stated that mark being a supplier rather than an employee of this channel would be personally liable moving forward for any breaches of the ofcom code of conduct. mark understandably, in my view , understandably, in my view, declared in a roundabout way that he would rather eat a light bulb . the rest, as they say, is bulb. the rest, as they say, is history . an enormous loss , in my history. an enormous loss, in my view. a journalist of great wit, humour and mindedness gone because the vultures whose , because the vultures whose, predatory eyes have never left him since he arrived on our screens. it finally got them on. there was talk to about how he was dispatched and what role the head honchos of gb news have played in it . because head honchos of gb news have played in it. because this is the people's channel and the home of free speech and i might

add the boss man supports my right to throw him under the bus, as he put it on the phone this afternoon in this monologue, i'm going to say exactly what i think about it . i exactly what i think about it. i think they're presenting an ultimatum to a man who had recently suffered heart recently suffered two heart attacks recovery was attacks and is in recovery was considerably taste , empathy considerably bad taste, empathy and brotherhood and compassion , and brotherhood and compassion, to say the absolute least . but to say the absolute least. but also because our overlords , also because our overlords, ofcom, demanded due impartiality and having worked in front of a camera for most of my life, i have seen all too often the cruelty meted out when show business decides to turbulent voice is no longer required. so i can't say i was hugely surprised the knives were always going to be out for mark steyn and for all of us who aren't particularly interested in playing the media again and i want to take this opportunity to wish him the continued success he much deserves. and i, for one, will be watching on in admiration . it one, will be watching on in admiration. it is one, will be watching on in admiration . it is also worth admiration. it is also worth noting as well as this channel as well, that this channel chose

to partake in the faustian bargain of regulation in order to reach every home in the nafion to reach every home in the nation and that comes with ofcom as the gatekeepers , every one of as the gatekeepers, every one of the 200 or so people who work out there and in here have to go through the joys , the absolute through the joys, the absolute joys of ofcom training regularly . some of them have to go through it well regularly, and others if you know what i mean. anyway what i was surprised though about it was the uproar onune though about it was the uproar online demanding that everybody else just quit the channel in solidarity with mark. why.7 when solidarity with mark. why? when we saw andrea the door flicking on middle finger at the bosses, the mob demanded gb news be done. you controlled opposition and all the rest of the charming feedback media is feedback which social media is so for lonely anonymous so for as lonely anonymous little trolls try and whip up the entire congregation into a frenzy to burn the whole god thing down. to what end, though , the troubling sense of unforgiving moral purity developing among the freedom

lovers, which one more often associates with those on the censors side . but where i was, censors side. but where i was, the ire aimed at the true antagonist of this piece, ofcom . i've been trying to think all week of the benefits of a state censor who, in their own words, work for everyone. you can reasonably say that protecting kids before the watershed from aduh kids before the watershed from adult themes of sex drugs and violence might be one. but then you don't have to trawl through the bookshelves of your local kids. school overseen by kids. primary school overseen by another shadowy state another of those shadowy state regulators there regulators ofsted there to safeguard our children to find a copy of my trans teen adventure nominated no less for the waterstones children's book of the year prize 2023. a rather poignant , illustrated trans poignant, illustrated trans conversion manual, which has its sights set on firmly putting confuse young girls and boys on the path to irreversibly mutilating their bodies . so what mutilating their bodies. so what i'm getting at here is these shadowy state regulators only seem to regulate . in one seem to regulate. in one direction that they approve

narrative. whatever it is this week whatever story the regime and their media want rammed into every orifice 24 hours a day, seven days a week . our friends seven days a week. our friends at ofcom, you see something called due impartiality. now that's fine. i think most people want due impartiality, but the problem is it's extremely hard to find on any other channel. it's and particularly the regime's tax funded propaganda . regime's tax funded propaganda. the bbc, one could argue, for example, that professor neil ferguson is about as ofcom compliant, as popping on a bit of before newsround in the afternoon with his plucked from thin air models about millions of us were going to drop down dead once the scary cold, which was definitely in the was definitely not made in the bioweapons lab in wuhan, arrived on our cursed shores. and we should therefore henceforth lock down the entire planet, stop people working , give them free people working, give them free money to do nothing unless . of money to do nothing unless. of course to be poor, course you happen to be poor, that still be that is. and you still be permitted deliver press. permitted to deliver press. go to number 10 socially

to the number 10 socially distant karaoke lockdown parties. was. did you parties. well, it was. did you impartiality you there the great barrington declaration you know that one sensibly thought lockdown disaster avoidance mechanism was giving about as much airtime on the bbc as my entire career. but who ? but also entire career. but who? but also , what about an ofcom complaint about regimes coverage of the mostly peaceful riots which consume the capital is barely an anarchist, briefly immunised against the deadly load covid by their of misplaced virtue right is of police forces and ransacked central london in of st george of the floyd where was the during part reaction there? mr. bbc or even the vaguest offering of logic that these cretinous anarchists might just possibly be grounds for a mass granny killing superspreader event tumbleweed from the bbc or indeed the bbc team's highest priest , st indeed the bbc team's highest priest, st david of indeed the bbc team's highest priest , st david of the priest, st david of the attenborough , telling us about attenborough, telling us about how dreadful human are, how we are destroying the planet and

angenng are destroying the planet and angering the sun monster into an apocalyptic frenzy for the gazillions of licence fee paid money which pays for his nature programme. did the bbc for reasons of due impartiality and bjorn lomborg or another or another single counter narrative offering due impartiality to push back against st david's claims . did push back against st david's claims. did they push back against st david's claims . did they hack ? oh, hang claims. did they hack? oh, hang on, how about our very own dear departed boris gravely lined up reading the covid desk night after terrifying night as anyone who had died of pretty much anything within 28 days of one of those very reliable covid test was reeled . where is it you test was reeled. where is it you impartiality now the here and across the medically guinea pig world excess deaths are in some cases higher than during the so—called pandemic where the serious is reading out those juuan serious is reading out those julian figures the list goes on and on so i take is clear is that due impartiality mr. ofcom

is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside enigma. and whatever it is , it works in one direction is, it works in one direction only. and for side only. and that side is not the side of mark steyn or indeed gb news. but there was one channel and a very few journalist who constantly asked questions resisted the agreed narrative and were curious and dissenting enough to push back and that channelis enough to push back and that channel is this one. so for this wonderful audience of bright and cunous wonderful audience of bright and curious dissenters and free thinkers, i would urge this we must support those who fight day after day and night after night for right to be heard. we must not malign those who march alongside us. instead, we must aim our ire at the enemy , the aim our ire at the enemy, the shadowy institutions who nutjob thinking, and we deeply and to all aspects of our daily lives. the ofcom's, the ofsted, the el comms , the off jones , and all comms, the off jones, and all the rest . let this be a lesson

the rest. let this be a lesson is a wise orange man once said it's you they are after we are just in the way. so tonight it's you they are after we are just in the way . so tonight i'm just in the way. so tonight i'm asking you, should we have more media regulation or less email a gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet at gb news. all of the folks , if news. all of the folks, if you're a loyal viewer, it hasn't gone unnoticed . the controversy gone unnoticed. the controversy surrounding, gone unnoticed. the controversy surrounding , recent news we have surrounding, recent news we have generated ourselves . there's generated ourselves. there's been a lot of discussion around free speech and how the office of communication means ofcom to you and appears to be stifling it now , not a journalist. well, it now, not a journalist. well, you wrote that i am a journalist taking money and everything. you're fired . i have to attend you're fired. i have to attend training. yes, that's it. came oven training. yes, that's it. came over. i'm a very serious journalist. i've got a book. i've read the book. i didn't read the book. i did read the book. i went to training sessions. right i'm not a journalist. i know that i'm

right. however, i have to attend training sessions in order to adhere to the ofcom . i won't adhere to the ofcom. i won't lie. it's hard , it's lie. it's hard, it's complicated. it's extremely boring. i mean, i've whole teams of , people here, i boring. i mean, i've whole teams of, people here, i have boring. i mean, i've whole teams of , people here, i have to boring. i mean, i've whole teams of, people here, i have to keep up to date with it and they're amazing at it, which makes this discussion all the more uncomfortable for everyone because wants put because no one wants to put a foot wrong, as we noticed that it want keep their heads it just want to keep their heads down crack. as i said, down and crack. and as i said, i'm not a quote. why is it saying i'm not qualified? she fired and i still have a stake in the game. i tv my kids do too . you're right now they are right now. so i want to talk about joining to about this. joining me to discuss this terrible pre—budget monologue with me is neil oliver. neil ofcom. good bad idea . i suppose in principle, if idea. i suppose in principle, if you have a regulatory body that completely evenhanded and it appues completely evenhanded and it applies the same rules, religious sleet to all without, you know you know without favour that you can make an argument for that. but ofcom is a stacked

deck it's a rigged game . as you deck it's a rigged game. as you pointed out . you know, if the pointed out. you know, if the round the clock you can watch on other channels you can watch you can listen to people see that the vaccines 100% safe and 1% effective and they have saved millions of lives without that ever being countered on the same channel at the same time by someone saying, i've got some questions ask about safety and efficacy. actually whereas when the shoes on the other foods and you or carry a story about where we're asking questions about just about vaccine injury and death and all the rest of it, we automate actually have to follow our own thought out arguments with someone else giving the government narrative that will that only happens in one in one direction. i find to be unfair. and i think that as it stands , and i think that as it stands, ofcom is just rigging the game. it's not providing a level field. ofcom during . lockdown field. ofcom during. lockdown dunng field. ofcom during. lockdown during the past two years. what

appalling they were simply stifling debate, they were simply silencing the questions that needed to asked a lot of was dismissed at the time as as downright malevolent . but at downright malevolent. but at least conspiracy theories . yet least conspiracy theories. yet all of the conspiracy theories , all of the conspiracy theories, i would say almost without exception , what proved to be the exception, what proved to be the case. lots of people are saying this is going to be harmful, is going to hurt people, this is going to hurt people, this is going to hurt people, this is going to kill people that are going to kill people that are going to kill people that are going to be consequences for this. all came to pass this. all of that came to pass but overreach of silence but ofcom overreach of silence that kind debate i mean i that kind of debate so. i mean i suppose all that suppose all those that we disagree with would say that was a major problem. we didn't know the extent of the major problem that was coming our way and the programme was highly successful for older people. maybe we, you know, they didn't really want to talk about the other people, but they were saying we were always trying to do the right thing. and even today we're trying to do the right thing, but shutting up shutting up me because up you or shutting up me because we are we are perhaps not

representative of the majority and we're sort of lone actors. well, actually , on the contrary, well, actually, on the contrary, i see that we are representative of the majority the majority for all sorts different reasons have been very frightened into silence or discouraged at the very least from speaking out . i very least from speaking out. i think the questions that we wanted to ask and did ask and the issues that we wanted to raise did raise. we were effectively them on behalf of the silenced millions . so the silenced millions. so i don't think we were lone wolves , you know, flaky , ten weighting , you know, flaky, ten weighting opinions at, you know, quite the contrary . but it does not contrary. but it does not signify a broken media then, because if to the mainstream media who basically have spent this week taking a huge profit, you and the guardian and the times in the indy and reuters and whomever else about shunning are out the same narrative of missing the blind spots , you missing the blind spots, you know. oh, we were looking the

other way i don't know when it happened, but the media, the journalists , the media in this journalists, the media in this country is not what was when i were a lad really very know it's pushing it's pushing a narrative and it takes it takes it appears to take great pleasure and in pushing the narrative and silencing debate, you know, you talk about the you know, the calumnies that been levelled at me in the last week or so. i say the problem they are . yes, the problem they are. yes, that's one thing seeing that coming from that biased media. i would that there's another problem that we ought to address there know when you when you're talking about the way in which mark steyn they said departure from here was was being and as you rightly said suddenly all these voices saying that the only thing that we could honourably do was walk out honourably do was was walk out and of the rest of it. i do and all of the rest of it. i do not understand why all of those people, so many of those people who are notionally hyper who are notionally in hyper authentically side authentically on the same side of argument as you and i,

of the argument as you and i, you know, people are you know, people who are desperate are trying to stand up for of speech, for freedom of speech, of expression, to ask expression, the right to ask question, the necessity to maintain liberties. maintain our ancient liberties. we on same side, at we are all on the same side, at least hypothetic , actually, the least hypothetic, actually, the fire, the attacks, if we want to make attacks, should be levelled and aimed elsewhere away from here . and i don't just mean here. and i don't just mean inside gb news mean we the group that came together that were that came together that were that were flung together , the in that were flung together, the in the chaos and the upset and the anxiety the last couple of anxiety of the last couple of years, have each other's years, we need have each other's backs and. there definitely backs and. there is definitely a fragmentation that's on at the moment. and there's almost a competition going see who competition going on to see who can the purer monk like can be the purer monk like warrior . well, can be the purer monk like warrior. well, this side of warrior. well, on this side of the argument and you're seen to feel in some spiritual way, then you to be cast into you have to be cast out into into outer darkness. that's what i want. wanted talk about, i want. wanted to talk about, which really interesting, which i find really interesting, is that, know, the other is that, you know, the other side, there is side, side, if there is another side, you obviously sort of lazy you know, obviously sort of lazy language, but the other side rely this sense of moral rely on this sense of moral purity and probity to lord us.

but what i'm witnessing on sort of this side was formerly the forgiveness based , freedom forgiveness based, freedom loving side is exactly the same thing. is there a danger of freedom fighters in order to prove their freedom credentials becoming the sort of other side version of woke? yes, i know what you mean. there's an end that's coming the it's i must i find myself caught actually in a pincer movement . i'm either on pincer movement. i'm either on the one hand i'm seeing i'm seeing too much and doing too much at the same time, i'm being targeted by people who see i'm not seeing enough and i'm not doing enough and i can't be doing enough and i can't be doing both of things in the same rational . but that's the pincer rational. but that's the pincer in which i find myself. but i think it does come down to a kind of intolerance and i would see at the heart of wokeness there is an intolerance. the only i only we are pure, only we are are fighting the you know ,

are are fighting the you know, are are fighting the you know, are holding aloft true faith and defend defending it and look, all these people who are just aren't doing enough and their application of this faith is flawed. you know, they are flawed. you know, they are flawed human beings. what we need, i mean, you know, we get to preach about it. that's definitely case. what we need to do . those of us who want to do. those of us who want to defend simple things, know, defend simple things, you know, we right to go we just want the right to go about lives. don't want about our lives. we don't want to be we don't want to be surveyed every moment every surveyed every moment of every day. we do not want 15 minute cities. not want central cities. we do not want central bank currencies. we just bank digital currencies. we just want to go want to be able quietly to go about our lives. and us about our lives. and those of us who been on that side of who have been on that side of the of the debate standing up for and speaking about those requirement. have requirement. we have to have each are all each other's backs but are all sorts different platforms sorts of different platforms and people have sorts people of course have all sorts of different in which they want to express themselves and they want from different want to do it from different platforms at different times of the using different. the day using different. and that's but we have to that's all good. but we have to remember are all trying remember that we are all trying to same battle. yeah, to win the same battle. yeah, it's agree with you. it's kind of i agree with you. it's of been the political philosophy. philosophy is leave

alone me time and alone and give me time and encouragement to help you. but anyway , now we did approach anyway, now we did approach ofcom , as you may have seen on ofcom, as you may have seen on social media this week. i did ask them several times for a spokesperson on this and they sent us this statement which going to read the man milk tray voice rather than my robot voice because is going to find me because he's is going to find me if don't do it like that. our if i don't do it like that. our work upholding standards work in upholding standards is transparent. in our transparent. they set out in our annual report our broadcasting rules and association guidance for broadcast this is also made available on our website . we available on our website. we also make public in our fortnightly broadcast bulletin the outcome of standards . some the outcome of standards. some shops and thanks neil who's going to hang around with me but coming up next, we're going to talk to former channel 4 and bbc broadcaster michael crick, who will tell us just why ofcom , the will tell us just why ofcom, the greatest thing since sliced bread back . in three on montel

bread back. in three on montel tonight from eight till 11. in my big opinion, following a disastrous defeat yesterday , a disastrous defeat yesterday, a labour government is coming . be labour government is coming. be careful what you wish for. it's valentine's day, a commercial gimmick. we'll be asking how keen is your house star? kim woodburn and israel way back for the tories we'll be asking former ukip mep godfrey plain plus my all star panel tomorrow's papers and the gb news clips of the week tonight starring very own nigel farage. we're live .

at eight. hello again . so having heard hello again. so having heard from my colleague and friend neil oliver about how we fall

foul . ofcom. i am now joined by foul. ofcom. i am now joined by one of the founders of channel 4 news, michael crick, and he's going to hopefully and maybe even change my mind as to why we need ofcom. good evening, michael. thank you for coming on. good evening . and speaking on. good evening. and speaking of trial of this afternoon, you said i going to say, but strangest thing since sliced bread once i can michael, i just want to get a question in if that's alright with you and was speaking to my producer this afternoon and she said that when you were speaking you said that ofcom hadn't gone far enough and you thought that gb news should be off air. is that be taken off the air. is that correct ? yeah, i think ofcom correct? yeah, i think ofcom shouldn't close you down at the start . i've long worried start. i've long worried impartiality in television . and impartiality in television. and especially over the last ten years on programmes like channel 4 news and newsnight. i think they lost a certain amount

impartiality when it came to issues brexit. i mean, i speak to somebody who voted remain , to somebody who voted remain, but i think there were when they were not even handed on that issue and ofcom should have acted against them . and now you acted against them. and now you come along and, you're clearly biased to the right in of your presenters . the range of presenters. the range of presenters. the range of presenters. okay. you occasionally of a left wing voice, but your very presence makes it hard to sustain or to return to proper impartiality on mainstream programmes. and if ofcom allow you to carry on like this then? i think impartiality in british radio and television break down altogether and i think that will be a bad thing because i think such a shocking reality about what that is in this country . censorship. let's this country. censorship. let's it to neil oliver neil do you have to say to michael about what he said ? well i suppose what he said? well i suppose first and foremost i'd like to hear about example of

impartiality of the sort that you lament the loss of is there. is there any channel out there that you could point to as an exemplar , the kind of exemplar, the kind of impartiality that you that you approve ? well, i think that approve? well, i think that those programmes i was most about programmes i've worked for channel 4 news and newsnight and, not as bad as they were a few years ago. and i think they've they've realised that. they've realised that they've got to be fair some of these issues. but there are other occasions when i still think, i mean, for instance, i, i'm in fact in some ways the bbc bent over the other way and now they don't, they don't even dare ask economist about whether brexit plays role in current economic . plays role in current economic. but there are occasions when you know journalists are not robust and i'm not asking enough questions and mean for instance dunng questions and mean for instance during the role during the queen's 12 days of mourning, i thought out what was dreadful.

it was it was fawning. there were no questions about i mean, okay, all due respect , for the okay, all due respect, for the first day or two, but it got to the stage where we became a propaganda service for the concept monarchy. and we abandoned our traditional , abandoned our traditional, robust questioning that we should perform. so, you know , should perform. so, you know, it's very it's varied from subject to subject, from to time, from programme to programme . but time, from programme to programme. but i think as an aim, impartial reality is incredibly important. i remember i had an editor in the 1980s, david nicholls man, and he used to say , if you get an exclusive to say, if you get an exclusive interview with god, then your first duty is to go out and the news desk should ring up the devil's office and them the right to reply. and that is the problem with what you we should all be taken air as well. sorry would you have lbc taken off air as well ? i think lbc is actually

as well? i think lbc is actually part of the presenters and gb news actually. ironically does have gloria del piero, who is a left leaning journalist . would left leaning journalist. would you have james o'brien whipped out into the censorship hole? well, it i think, gb news our part that i'd certainly think of. no, i think about a more extreme version of lbc . sorry, extreme version of lbc. sorry, you have lbc taking off air. i think about it. but i'd start with you first. and because you're you're distribution right to left presenters is far greater than it is lbc. and i think lbc actually started it because they they got they got past ofcom by say okay we've got a left wing present of a three eyes and then a right wing one. is that okay? and ofcom said yes , whereas it never been it never beenin , whereas it never been it never been in the past and, the first iteration of lbc, the current iteration of lbc, the current iteration of lbc is leftie , iteration of lbc is leftie, lefty, left, left, left, left,

lefty, left, left, left, left, left , the lefty, lefty, and then left, the lefty, lefty, and then wash and repeat. whereas i think gb news palpably provably with someone like gloria del piero, who is very much left leaning journalists, would represent a broad range of views. so what i'm saying is, where are your personal political biases affecting this thing? and therefore more broadly, in terms of ofcom, who guards the gatekeepers who keep an eye on them ? but i wouldn't say nick them? but i wouldn't say nick ferrari is , as a left wing ferrari is, as a left wing political journalist, i him on the right and he's got one of the right and he's got one of the main kroger pubs a at breakfast time. so and as a gloria de piero okay she's she's labour she was a labour mp she's not that leftwing and you don't have very many of them, whereas you have a lot of right wing presenters now. okay it don't know if you've got much . i want know if you've got much. i want to bring neil oliver. i want to bnng to bring neil oliver. i want to bring neil oliver. that because you've had you've had a it's brilliant this chief but i want to hit neil my coconut. can i ask you. i contend, in fact,

that during the past two years let's see, two or three years of the lockdown and all of the rest of it, the gb news was was a lone voice in putting people up who would ask questions about the legitimacy of lockdowns, the efficacy , safety of vaccines , efficacy, safety of vaccines, that the way in which rights to normal were being impinged upon . there was no other voice available that was doing that bbc, itv four were trotting out robot actually a government approved narrative with the backing , with the full support, backing, with the full support, obviously, of ofcom . i fail to obviously, of ofcom. i fail to see how you can legitimate see that gb news that lone voice at that gb news that lone voice at that time least asking those questions and, making those points ought to be taken off the air. well well, i wouldn't take you off the air for that. i want you off the air for that. i want you to be go. but before and actually actually, i have some

sympathy. but the point you're making do think that journalists were not robust enough in questioning a lot of what the government was doing and indeed there's this view in government as well during the of the covid penod as well during the of the covid period and the lockdown. and so, michael, if i may interrupt rangers , if i may, i would say rangers, if i may, i would say this is where it gets dangerous, though, where people are saying things which are wrong and which are dangerous in terms of human life, but overall, i do think that journalists should more robust in questioning government orthodoxy on typical orthodoxy . orthodoxy on typical orthodoxy. and i think that there was a point in in covid where we did not ask i'm not final to neil i quickly impartiality was was difficult i would see when you're in the position of being the only voice that is asking the only voice that is asking the awkward and uncomfortable questions. and if that comes across as a lacking impartiality, i think it impartiality, then i think it was necessary that that gb news

could and did take that stance. and i would also see that if gb news had been broadcasting demonstrable misinformation , demonstrable misinformation, where we had been saying things that were factually incorrect ofcom and, others would have hauled us over the coals for it. thank you very much , michael thank you very much, michael crick and neil oliver. right. coming up, we have a japanese exclusive documentary to victims and whistleblowers about grooming gangs. that's coming up

in three. hello again . so an exclusive gb hello again. so an exclusive gb news documentary about grooming gangsis news documentary about grooming gangs is going to be on in here night 8 pm. charlie peaches has spoken to victims and whistleblowers who have also been affected. let's take a look

at the preview now. tomorrow at 8 pm, tune to in a gb news investigates documentary as we tell the full story of the grooming gang scandal. the child gloves are being stolen . we will gloves are being stolen. we will expose the cover ups that have kept this nation scandal under wraps for decades . not one wraps for decades. not one person is being held accountable. our investigation uncovers the true scale of this outrage. i want to see senior officials held legally to account on gb news grooming gangs. britain'sjoining me now gangs. britain's joining me now is charlie peters himself . is charlie peters himself. charlie, what can viewers expect from this documentary? a thorough investigation. first and foremost, both on the historic the decades of abuse that we know has been going on in this country, across country, and also some modern analysis and also some modern analysis and also some modern analysis and a realisation unfortunately that this is still going on. so we go right back to the beginning, the origin story of this crisis . when people first this crisis. when people first noficed this crisis. when people first noticed it and indeed, how long

it was ignored for decades , it was ignored for decades, ignorance, tens of thousands of girls, potentially tens of thousands of girls ignored. i'm looking or not, it's still looking into or not, it's still going on today and uncovering. unfortunately, are many, unfortunately, there are many, many five cases. remind the bbc anditv many five cases. remind the bbc and itv and channel 4 covering this issue. well, the thing is, when the lid blew off this scandal a decade ago in 2012, when the times its first of many exclusives on the story they if they it but there they looked into it but there was sort of racial was always sort of a racial nervousness political nervousness and a political correctness in correctness that was involved in that the ethnicity of the that due to the ethnicity of the perpetrators. the most ethnicity, the perpetrators and indeed the backgrounds the indeed the backgrounds of the survivors who were mostly white working class girls, often deemed a sort of underclass not worthy of attention. so they did a good job at least in starting the conversation . but as the the conversation. but as the years went by, the national conversation that we needed to have this topic never really have on this topic never really happened. was happened. the discourse was brief, very mealy, mouth was brief, was very mealy, mouth was very nervous , and nothing has very nervous, and nothing has ever really done to make a difference. nobody can name any survivors household names we can

name , you know, victims of name, you know, victims of global crises as household in this country. but if you think of a survivor from the grooming gang scandal, who springs to mind, nobody. because we never really effort to make really put an effort to make that happen . this documentary really put an effort to make that hit0)en . this documentary really put an effort to make that hito set. this documentary really put an effort to make that hito set right. documentary really put an effort to make that hito set right. butrmentary really put an effort to make that hito set right. but looking! hopes to set right. but looking into the full scandal, looking into the full scandal, looking into what's going on today and also recommending some opportunities to make this stop and write the many, many and to write the many, many wrongs the well, good. wrongs of the past. well, good. you know, in a world of you and you know, in a world of identity we should identity politics, we should probably look those that probably look at those that suffered, include the suffered, which include the white class of this . white working class of this. anyway thank you, charlie , much anyway thank you, charlie, much for coming . coming up, i am for coming. coming up, i am going to be dishing out my thoughts with political sam. he's really good actually he's a great shot to discuss our covid experiences. pride month . and experiences. pride month. and back.

in three. hello every week i like to down with someone and discuss our differences as it was the turn of the very sam dowler and this how it went . cheers dowler is how it went. cheers dowler is lawrence, a journalist and broadcaster and we both lost our loved ones during the pandemic. we did. tell a real story. well my dad had cancer for seven years. myeloma and when the pandemic hit. it was actually one of the two cancers that bofis one of the two cancers that boris mentioned in his very first speech about . it. and first speech about. it. and which is odd, because i never even really heard of myeloma . so even really heard of myeloma. so my dad was always like, ding ding, oh, my god, i can't leave the house. and, you know . the house. and, you know. anyway, so this like playing into his his his paranoia. so

yeah. that was he didn't leave the for two years other than to be driving down to ucla for a treatment . but yeah, we just treatment. but yeah, we just they were doing the exercise and all of that just obviously didn't matters. and yeah. and then it was a year last december where, where we in the pound, it was just before christmas was cancelled i believe. and or not if you were in downing street. yeah. and yeah. and my and i was living with my mom and my dad was downstairs in a hospital bed and my sister was up from australia where my other sister lived. and lives in the same town. she was she was round town. so she was she was round like because she was spending town. so she was she was round likelast ause she was spending town. so she was she was round likelast days she was spending town. so she was she was round likelast days ine was spending town. so she was she was round likelast days in bed.; spending town. so she was she was round likelast days in bed. and nding town. so she was she was round likelast days in bed. and theni his last days in bed. and then i came home from something in london and the next morning came home from something in lwokei and the next morning came home from something in lwoke up d the next morning came home from something in lwoke up and the next morning came home from something in lwoke up and i the next morning came home from something in lwoke up and i couldn'tt morning came home from something in lwoke up and i couldn't taste ning i woke up and i couldn't taste or smell anything . and it was or smell anything. and it was bad . like, i or smell anything. and it was bad. like, i like my brain

or smell anything. and it was bad . like, i like my brain fog. bad. like, i like my brain fog. it was so i don't know if you had coped with it twice. well, but the no taste and smell was just like, really debilitating. so it did a test and i was my partner was with me as well. and he works in care. so he like scarpered love . but yeah, so , scarpered love. but yeah, so, um, so that was on the thursday and on, on the, on saturday of the sunday i think it was my mum came , i said straightaway, my came, i said straightaway, my mum comes and said that he was , mum comes and said that he was, he was going so i went, i went downstairs in full ppe because i didn't want him to give it go to my mom. she's 70, she was 70 at the time and australian sister was going back to australia and they were that was he had some of the most stringent rules that even of the most stringent rules that ever. yeah. it's crazy how they turned into the. well yes . i turned into the. well yes. i mean the prison guards shouldn't so they gave with a sheet over,

didn't want to get it either. so went up. but i went downstairs and i said goodbye and gave them and i said goodbye and gave them a hug and went back upstairs and then he died that night. and then he died that night. and then i stayed in my room for another five days. i be very hard mentally still with . it was hard mentally still with. it was the worst time in my , um . i'm the worst time in my, um. i'm sorry. with no one to hug or you or share your grief, i just. that's what infuriated me . cause that's what infuriated me. cause my mum passed away in april of 2013 and then it was . just 2013 and then it was. just horrendous. but we, we obviously all family . you may or may not all family. you may or may not know, just didn't really care about the covid deal . as about the covid deal. as a general, i think one of them did. i can't remember who, but we were. we went and my mum was on her way and um, the doctor turned up in full ppe . all my turned up in full ppe. all my boss and everything was sobbing

all over each other and the my , all over each other and the my, i think my sister went, what do we do? and even your mum, she's going hulk hogan. so we all did . so it was just sort of slightly different. but then when i found out that they were passing in downing street not long i my fury was huge. let's go to on the pride . what do you go to on the pride. what do you think pride. so i why why do you think pride. so i why why do you think i like pride as the reason ? i think it's extremely important . so ? i think it's extremely important. so euro pride is obviously the pinnacle of europe. europe's pride . we all europe. europe's pride. we all have parties. you have hull pride helps, your pride, they're everywhere. and europe is to be cancelled last year because of right wing politicians. this was in serbia and, you know, roman catholic was standing in the streets saying it was disgusting anyway. so therefore they won't even allowed you to. maastricht so that is wrong obviously,

because people should be allowed to express themselves. it's discrimination . someone based on discrimination. someone based on their sexual which is exactly wrong. exactly. so, so then the next, the next one is world pride which which is in sydney. sydney. well pride which i'm going to and it is and it is not only it's obviously it's in australia . i can we just talked australia. i can we just talked about how you know how bad that was to into so at least it's was to get into so at least it's opened up we can go there opened up and we can go there and know, it's a, and it's like you know, it's a, it's a focus when all around the world, um, lgbtq rights are being rolled back . that's why being rolled back. that's why it's important . when you say it's important. when you say lgbtq, this is one of my problems with pride. plus two plus is actually the spirit , plus is actually the spirit, isn't it? i just use the one. okay. you use the plus if you like . to me, the way that i look like. to me, the way that i look at people is i just take them as i find them. i don't i at people is i just take them as ifind them. i don't i mean, i find them. i don't i mean, obviously you notice things like skin and, you know, if some of these massively can pull something you you can tell , something you you can tell, know, darling, and then i take

people as i find them . so i find people as i find them. so i find the lumping of people into group. also having got i mean i've got a few gay friends. i don't have any lesbian friends. i don't know why, but my gay friends tell me anecdotally and you can correct me. this is from the gays and lesbians don't necessarily get on that well so why would you lump a serial first? why would you lump individuals into an enormous group? okay. first of all, that's nonsense. i don't know i don't know what gay friends you have, but i have many lesbian friends and i have for many years and i love them dearly. and, um, and, you know, but you get my point. i'm not like way lumping, lumping them together as a way of protection . that's as a way of protection. that's why they exploiting , you know, why they exploiting, you know, thatis why they exploiting, you know, that is why there's at why they exploiting, you know, that is why there's a t there as well for transgender because you know, they they are the most vulnerable group that need most help and at a time when they are

being particularly vilified in america, for example, all over the place. and, you know, to the point the scaremongering that leads to crazy people murdering them which happens all the time in america not here where in america not over here where you you to look at the stats on that one they are they are together as as lumped together as you said. i mean of course, you know, there were you know, there were splinter groups or people lgb alliance, people like the lgb alliance, for example, who say who say that trans trans about that trans trans isn't about it's gender of about the it's about gender of about the like, but trans people were the people that started like stonewall riots, for example. we stick together because there is safety numbers and even can't deny that , you know, somebody deny that, you know, somebody walking down the street who might be super camp etc. as you just said would be vulnerable to seeing people going like alright perf like going and going to beat up with simply by being with other people you are safer and that is and just and that's the crux of it. why a why an lgb

take history months a month. what? why you know, not that i advocating for any i don't want any mum i just want to take people as i find them. so i get this makes me yeah so abuse a lot of times in your life. no a lot of times in your life. no a lot but some. yeah but i've suffered abuse as well. so just being a posh lanky. yeah i get that. but that doesn't , that that. but that doesn't, that doesn't result in you getting beaten up raped or killed. well it does actually . and it has it does actually. and it has donein it does actually. and it has done in clubs. i i almost got beat up. i haven't had a fight since. i recognise you at the other weekend i was in, i went to an america to a party at an american perth person's house. then afterwards one of the people said we go for a drink. yeah. and then someone came up to me and i was going to get into a fight with them because of what think you know, of what i think you know, because a broadcaster and you say controversial. and what did you say? well, i think it's controversial for some people , controversial for some people, brought up the wrong way . and brought up the wrong way. and

so, therefore, you it. no, of course not. i don't think that anybody should get any sort of violence at all. but i obviously some people would want to consume or question you about things. what? but things. so i'm saying what? but we suffer from we all suffer from discrimination. i to discrimination. i happen to suffer discrimination . so suffer from discrimination. so why can't it be lgb , t, q plus p why can't it be lgb, t, q plus p ? well, for example, when you kind of like come and join, going to go back into, you can be an ally of course, but to go back and sort of go back and do a month but you go back into like black history month, for example, and all that. yeah, of course you don't because lgbtq people and, black people people and, and black people over have been over the years have been persecuted. so therefore it is it important to . look back on it is important to. look back on what has happened and how we can make sure it doesn't happen again. and to educate everybody. that's what's what's happening in the moment. i think what's happening there's this more ever since this movement started which which movement pride movement and this 50 is ever growing. yeah that that was i

was pretty chilled with the right like i can deal with it i thought good for you you were you were in the middle of a time when that was real proper systemic to gay and lesbian . i systemic to gay and lesbian. i got it. let's start movement now. it feels like you're certainly we're not doing a lot of favours . the trans community of favours. the trans community themselves a lot of favours and like drag queen story hours and some of the stuff that you see these pride marches well circulated around to talk about drag queen story i was it's not about them doing self no favours this is something that the community ones they're not imposing community owned communities if they want to if been drag they haven't met them . it's the same it's like you say with the lgbtq it doesn't really concern you because not so therefore therefore other people want to march or have their rights. it doesn't it doesn't bother to them to affect you. they're just a comic—con would be like i think as i said, the pendulum has to swing both ways order, come together and

ways in order, come together and like time of cultural like we're in a time of cultural change. we need a time of great change. we need a time of great change throughout the world and many thanks to laurence fox for a cracking show. well, we've got a cracking show. well, we've got a busy 3 hours to come. it's mark dolan have the mark dolan tonight. have the tories the point of no return ? tories the point of no return? i'll be asking. former ukip mep godfrey bloom, who loves to drop the odd truth bomb. it's the topic of my big opinion monologue. let me tell folks a labour government is coming and be careful what you wish for. also, we'll talk about valentine's is it a commercial scam ? we'll be talking to tv scam? we'll be talking to tv star kim woodburn from how clean is your house? plus are we now fat shaming our a recent story in the daily mail furious parents say my kid's healthy and slim, but he's been called obese. we'll get to all of that plus your emails last to get through a busy 3 hours. keep it mark dolan tonight.

good evening . how are you? good evening. how are you? welcome to mark dolan tonight my guests this hour former mep godfrey bloom will be discussing the crisis in the conservative party and the west . lancashire party and the west. lancashire by—election have . the tories by—election have. the tories reached the point no return of course , of famous ukip mep. he course, of famous ukip mep. he won't be pulling his punches. also the star of a touch of frost and, british acting legend john lyons joins me in the studio we'll discuss his career and the current state of british tv and film. plus, john cleese has speculated that he may bring

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